The Morning Stream - TMS 2524: Zit of Opulence

Episode Date: September 18, 2023

Italian Crustacean Infestation. Teaching the Baby Some Shit. I don't like ZomBeeeeeeees! 1000 condoms, Weekend at Clare's. Align The Steins. Four-Eyed Gut Ripper. Bad case of Italian Crabs. Hands off ...my poopinephrin. Mako Mako Mako! English is WEIRD! Animals that Don't Fart with Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 TMS is brought to you daily by the support of our patrons at patreon.com slash TMS, like Conrad D. Orthween, I think. Zach Grasham and Jeff Jones. Coming up on TMS, Italian crustacean infestation. Teaching the baby some shit. I don't like zombies. A thousand condoms. It's weekend declares. Align the Steins.
Starting point is 00:00:21 Four-eyed gut ripper. Bad case of Italian crabs. Hands off my poopinephrine. Mako, Mako. English is. Weird. Animals that don't fart with Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Think you know today's food prices. Try and guess the cost of this dinner. Three pieces of battered dipped chicken, fried, crisp and golden, fluffy whipped potatoes, tender sweet vegetables, and apple cake cobbler for dessert.
Starting point is 00:00:48 What's your guess? About $2?250? Wrong. It's about $0.85. Let's talk about the cartoon show Doug. The morning stream, two weeks. There's no such thing as two weeks in the news business. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to TMS. It's the morning stream for Monday, September 18th, 2023. I'm Scott Johnson, and I am joined today by guest co-host Travis Cross. Crawford of Clan Crawford. That's true. Hi, TV's Travis for everyone who you're like, wait a minute, I know that name. Yeah, that's why I know that name.
Starting point is 00:01:39 Welcome back. It's been a bit. How are you doing, man? It has been a bit. I'm doing well. Staying busy. As I mentioned last week during the quiz, I'm on, I'm doing, well, it'll be four podcasts concurrently again.
Starting point is 00:01:52 It's a lot. This week. Yeah. Because I have a problem. I also don't know how to say no. So when it's like, hey, do you want a guest host or hey, do you want to be a guest on this show, I always say yes. Yeah, I do the same thing.
Starting point is 00:02:03 It's actually, I mean, at some point, you can kind of cut back on some of that, but I still, once in a while, it'll be like, I'll go on some show that only has, I don't know, they might have 10 listeners or something. And then I find out down the road, two people found our show that way and stuck with it. So you never know. You're going to rub off on somebody. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:24 And every once in a while, I still get people who say, I heard an NPR episode where you done talked about something or other? I don't remember what it was. I think it was, oh, it was COVID and conventions during COVID. I was on Marketplace or something. And I still get emails saying, yeah, I found all your, I found all your stuff from that. I don't know why he's got that voice. I don't know why that accent's there. I don't know why I'm doing that. I feel bad all of it for doing that. Anyway, it's good to have you here and I'm glad to have you around for today's show. And we'll get into what four shows you're doing later because, you know, part of the perks of being here is he gets to talk about those things.
Starting point is 00:02:59 all right so check this out uh weekend happened as everyone knows um brian left for Vegas i want to say sunday i think and um we haven't heard the stories yet because i've only heard it third hand but tanner tells me that they went on a or they went to a escape room that was it themed like the movie it uh part one and two all you know the which obviously based on the book so Stephen King's it and uh it's got uh they got the they're out in glass in the in the sort of entryway of this place under and behind glass they have the actual uh penny wise costume that was used on set like the dirty nasty one he was dancing in or it's all like gray and gross and dirty muddy or whatever and they have that there anyway I guess part of this whole thing is you
Starting point is 00:03:53 get chased around this place by Pennywise and it's he says it's really intense and full of like all kinds of stuff it sounded like a nightmare am I freaking doing that no no no I mean I love the movie I love the book um I have less than zero desire to be chased by Pennywise or anybody for that I don't want to be chased by nobody you know what I'm right I'm just going to poop myself and and curl up into a ball yeah like it's over I'm done I'm not interested in this. So he was trying to sell me on it a little bit and like, oh, it's the most amazing thing you've ever seen. And I figure, well, you know, we'll hear from Brian. Brian's not easily freaked by this sort of stuff. But I don't like, I don't like horror situations I can't
Starting point is 00:04:37 control and those, or let's put it this way, horror situations where I am in control, where I have a sense of control, that's where I'm in trouble. That's why I don't like horror video games and they make me scream like a baby. And that's why I don't like haunted houses in general. because I don't have any I think I have control because I'm running around but I really don't so I'm going to die right
Starting point is 00:05:00 when I see a movie It's not the passive experience of the movie Yeah like a movie's so passive and easy You just sit down and go Oh look these people are being dumb And someone got stabbed in the face Nothing I can do about it You know
Starting point is 00:05:11 I don't know it's a weird It's a weird mental thing But it's you're right It's the illusion of control Yeah Which makes it more difficult Which is more I don't know the illusion
Starting point is 00:05:22 It's hard to Because you would, because you could make an argument, video games are the ultimate illusion of control. But it's, you never, I never feel comfortable being in control in those situations. I don't want to be the one who's sneaking down dark hallway, only to find out that a four-eyed, you know, gut ripper lives down there and he wants to eat me or whatever. I don't want that. I'd rather see someone else. Because you don't want that pressure of being the one that screws up and everyone dies. Yeah, I'd rather see everybody, I'd rather see somebody else deal with it and then roll credits.
Starting point is 00:05:52 and then I can leave the theater. Everything's good. There you go. Anyway, we'll get Brian back and hear his whole tale about all that and everything else they did this week. They'll get to see that sphere, which we've talked about a bit in the pre-show. I want to see that thing. I want to get a, I want to see. So, all right.
Starting point is 00:06:11 People know my brain goes places sometimes where maybe it shouldn't. I'll admit that. But every time I see that sphere, which is such a prominent, big old bulb in the middle of that sphere, city for the first time in a long time it's one of those things where you just can't avoid seeing it's like it's like the luxur when it first happened it's like whoa there's a pyramid in town and it's got a light shooting out of the top and whoa well this thing's worse than that it's like this gigantic bulb right it's always lit up with something being projected on the outside of it it's very cool the tech is neat it's really expensive and all that stuff it's all cool
Starting point is 00:06:46 however all my brain wants to do is think about what a target it is like Like, if you were going to send a drone full of C4 somewhere, why wouldn't you do it to that thing? Or if you weren't going to target it, like, I'm worried terrorism target might happen with that thing. Because look at it. It's like a big old zit of opulence. First of all, like it says to people, hey, the man has too much money. You should be bad. And so people are going to be like, we could really make a mess if we tried to take down that giant.
Starting point is 00:07:22 ball. I don't know. I don't know why I go there, but I go there. Every time I see something like this, I just go, oh, be careful how much what you wish for if you want to make a thing too big and too bright and too easy to see. And I don't know, man. It's, it's what movies and books have trained us for. I guess so. For like, yeah, because it's just a giant target. Yeah, good point. Somebody somewhere, you know this is true. Somebody in Hollywood is right in a script. Well, maybe they're not writing it and telling the guild that they're writing it because they should be on strike right now. But somebody secretly in some back room has either a script or an idea for a script
Starting point is 00:07:55 that involves, I don't know who, some action hero who's just going to a U-2 concert down there at the Giant Vegas Ball. And, oh, no, freaking, I don't know who, who's a good terrorist actor these days? I don't know. Clive Owen shows up. And boy, does he have plans to take down the man? this is happening. I promise you this movie's being made at some point. Either that or it'll be the
Starting point is 00:08:24 it'll be like the White House and Independence Day. It'll be the iconic thing that gets blown up by the aliens. Oh my gosh, that's cool. Aliens are we good. I like that. Or I'm on record as being a huge fan of Vegas as a backdrop for your post-apocalyptic anything. So it'd be zombies. It could be sort of Mad Max burnout. Could be, you know, somebody got nuked and now we're all huddled in this crappy old city. old empty casinos machines turned on their side no power something about that is always been a fun
Starting point is 00:08:56 playground in my head anyway well now you got to you got to put your big ball in there and it's got to be it's got to look like a big old cracked uh you know christmas ornament or something yeah and then inside of there all the bee that's where all the zombie bees live is inside that dome oh shit oh geez oh i don't want to think about zombie bees i don't either bees are bad enough anyway yeah bees are bad I do want to share something, though, that happened this weekend that I, I don't know where my head should be about this. Because part of me laughed uncontrollably, and then part of me feels a little bad about what happened. But the little one was over at the house. By little one, I mean Phoebe Vann's, Van was hanging out with his dad.
Starting point is 00:09:36 So we had the baby. She's 10 months old and she's talking. She's saying all kinds of words. And all you have to do, I got her to say pumpkin for the first time. I just pointed to a pumpkin. I said, pumpkin. She goes, pumpkin. And she could say it over and over.
Starting point is 00:09:47 she likes to whisper puppies she likes to go puppies puppies when she sees the dogs so she's talking learning how to say stuff whatever being very vocal unlike her brother it took her took him a lot longer and uh anyway we're in the kitchen hanging out and taylor uh this is a whole story taylor's doing a baby shower for a friend of hers so a bunch of her friends over there all out back with you know the the spread and everything they set up for it and i'm just like i'm just gonna go play starfield you guys do what you do i'm good because kim's out of out of town. Normally she's all over this stuff. She's in the south at the moment. She's down in Mississippi. She'll be home tomorrow. And so I just went inside and play video games. Well, I had
Starting point is 00:10:29 the baby for a little while, though. So I'm walking around the kitchen with the baby, kind of, you know, holding her out in front. So she's facing out looking at everything. And I trip on a dog bone. The dog bones we have for Ripley are these big old nasty looking T-bone things that you can't chew through. I don't know what brand they are, but they're supposed to be undestroyable. Is that a word? Undestructible. Indestructible is the better word. Which, by the way, is total BS because she's already, she's
Starting point is 00:10:58 destructed like three of these things. So I don't, I don't know whose idea was. But anyway, so I'm walking around, bare feet, I step on one of those. Frickin worse than a Lego. That's horrible. And I go, shit. Like that. And the very next thing. I hear
Starting point is 00:11:16 shit out of this little kid this 10 month old and that'd be one thing if she just quick repeat but then she spent the next I don't know 25 minutes going
Starting point is 00:11:27 shit shit shit shit just constantly singing it she learned a new word and it's a short one it's easy to repeat yeah and her mom just laughed at me and she didn't
Starting point is 00:11:37 she wasn't mad or anything but it was still just like damn it well I mean but isn't that kind of the point of being a grandpa just to do stuff like that. Yeah, you're supposed to also do things
Starting point is 00:11:49 that make it seem like you're a little bit out of it, right? So like, ah, shit. Oh, don't say that to your mom. And then, of course, she says it the whole time. Or what else? What else could I do? That's very stereotypic here. I could, um, she's too young for dad jokes.
Starting point is 00:12:04 So I can't really do that. Um, like I heard one yesterday, uh, Travis, I'll throw it at you. You ready for this? Okay. Uh, let's see, how's it go? Um, oh, I started. started taking holy water with my laxative treatment. I, let's see.
Starting point is 00:12:23 Well, what do you do next? I'll have, I think I'll start a religious movement. So it's terrible, right? It's terrible. Yeah. Absolutely awful joke. No good. But no 10-month-old knows what that is.
Starting point is 00:12:36 So my entertainment for her is making funny noises and apparently dropping the S-bomb and and she liked it. Oh, that's great. Yeah, it was fun. She's a sweetie, though. She's such a cutie pie. She's just, like, happy, never cries, never upset. That's cool.
Starting point is 00:12:51 And it's interesting, too, that she's much more vocal than Van being very quiet for so long. Yeah. He just didn't want to do it. He didn't want you to tell him to talk is what it was. He hated it. Not that he hated it. You just say, hey, say bird, and he just look at you. But then later, he'd go, bird, bird, bird, like he would do it, but not for you.
Starting point is 00:13:11 He didn't want to perform. He's doing it on his terms Yeah Whereas Phoebe's learned That she can get a lot of stuff done If she just learns certain words So she wants more Well she says
Starting point is 00:13:23 Maco because she thinks more And milk are the same words So when you say When she sees milk or she's hungry She'll start just going Maco Maco Maco
Starting point is 00:13:34 Like she's not referring to the Japanese actor No the guy that played Who is he on Samurai Jack Who was the bad guy? He was a coup yeah yeah that guy's great and he played about 10 different people on mash was my experience yep mash dude what was mash's deal they had a list they had a list of like five Asian actors they just rotate them through yeah that's what you did call them yeah I guess they did is the
Starting point is 00:14:02 70s and 80s right what else did you do that's what you did yeah because I'm I'm finding that in a lot of old TV shows as we go back and watch them like oh this actor was on this show four times as four different characters. Yeah, it's weird. It's a little un... I don't know. Well, part of the problems we can binge it now
Starting point is 00:14:20 so we notice it. Yeah. Because back then, you'd be like, well, I saw MASH last Thursday when it aired and there was a cool Japanese army guy in it
Starting point is 00:14:31 and he was cool. Anyway, see you next time. And then we'd have a, you know, the whole summer of reruns and you just forgot. Most people didn't even know that Colonel Potter came.
Starting point is 00:14:41 The previous season as a whole different character and then came the next season as the replacement colonel and no one noticed because no one can binge that stuff it's just one old man was there and then we had some time and then a whole thing and then the new guy shows up you know oh it's a new guy but really you'd seen him you didn't know yep those are simpler yeah you can get away with that back then yeah I don't know if it was a simpler better time or if it was just I don't know it's just the way shit went yeah pretty much welcome better no but i'm going to make a new show it's going to call i'm going to call the way shit went
Starting point is 00:15:17 with scott johnson to be my hot new podcast it's very exciting perfect um also uh this weekend marked a moment of of weakness for me not weakness but whatever i've been i've been if i've had any leisure leisure time it has been spent mostly um rewatching sopranos kind of in the background while i do other work and if if i'm actually got time to focus on something I want to do to entertain myself. It's been Starfield kind of all the time. Whenever I feel like playing, I'm playing. Sure.
Starting point is 00:15:50 But something happened. Me and Carter went to get some groceries and in the car. Wait, was this on that trip, or was Kim still here? No, she was, I think it was this weekend. Anyway, I decided, I'm in the mood for, I'm in the mood for Mick Gordon, the composer and musician behind the soundtracks for Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal. nice and also some a bunch of other games and um he's mostly known for those though because they're just incredible soundtracks it's like this hard driving acoustic metal not acoustic uh what's
Starting point is 00:16:25 the word i'm looking for where they don't have words there's no singing what's that called instrumental instrumental hey you've been instrumental today in helping me remember that word thank you for that uh english is weird anyway so i listen to that which is so freaking good and I got so into it I was like you know I haven't played in a long time
Starting point is 00:16:46 I haven't played Doom 2016 in a long time and I played and beat that game back in 2016 nice and I started a whole other run for some reason I don't remember
Starting point is 00:16:58 the reason was for but this was a couple years ago and then I just didn't you know I fell off or whatever and so I went back into that save which was maybe three hours in
Starting point is 00:17:07 and picked it up from there and then just played that last night until my eyes were so red I had to go to sleep. Like, what the frick, dude? Why? What is it about, I don't know, it just got me thinking about music
Starting point is 00:17:21 and its power to draw people into everything. And even sometimes the lack of music, we were watching Born Old Tomato, which is the best of the Bort Old Tomato movies, the Born movies. And I think anyway, second, really, what do you like better? What do you like more?
Starting point is 00:17:38 I like identity better. Personally. But it's very close. Ultimatum, I was talking about this the other day. Supremacy and ultimatum, I have to get over some hurdles because I saw Born Supremacy in the theater
Starting point is 00:17:56 sitting next to one of my best friends who is a giant Robert Ludlam fan. And he was a seething ball of hate for the entire two-hour runtime. Because those books are nothing like the movie. The movies took their own license, right? So it was, I had that experience watching that for the first time. So I've got to, I had to get over that hurdle.
Starting point is 00:18:16 But I also just, there's something about the first movie that I just really like. First movie's pretty good. I think Doug Lyman's a good director. Kind of knocked it out of the park. I didn't like how many CRTs were in it. But then, you know, that was, that's older, that movie. That's a weird thing to get bugged about. There are way more flat screens in the last two.
Starting point is 00:18:35 But, um, right. I didn't like the last one. but I really like ultimatum. I don't know why. And the consensus on film sac was that it was the best, but I'm glad to hear a dissenting opinion finally. And we all, you know, we were all patting each other
Starting point is 00:18:51 on the back, but I didn't know Travis over here had a different idea. Every once in a while, I've got some different ideas. It's nothing wrong with that. Different ideas is what makes the world go north or something. But anyway, so the point is, what was my point? My point was, oh, how music in the lack of music are to me are both like intense things so you take this soundtrack from doom it adds so
Starting point is 00:19:13 much to the texture of that game just it's almost it's almost half the game without it's like a really good fundamental shooter it's a very good but the the music adds something is so hard to explain and i and i really like that and that's true of almost anything john williams has ever done like for me Jurassic park is half the movie without that score oh star wars is is not remembered the way that it is without John Williams score. Oh, 100%. That music was, because every science fiction thing up to that point was kind of 70s style, sort of synthy music. And they went, no, we're going to go with John Williams, like full score, you know, orchestra, a whole other level.
Starting point is 00:19:57 Yeah, yeah. And that and the sound work and that, I mean, obviously the effects work are a big deal too. It's all groundbreaking. But that and the effects, sound effects work, sound, sound, not edit. but sound what's the word I'm looking for sound design design is the word I'm looking for thank you uh I got you the without those two things star wars is a weird thing you're right a weird thing in the 70s everyone forgot and there were no sequels and if they were they were bad and you know yeah like it's just a different world without that stuff well and you know you're right
Starting point is 00:20:31 and like music and or the lack of makes such a huge impact I mean I think of when I saw um No Country for Old Men for the first time, and I'm sitting in the theater. And I was like two-thirds of the way through the movie before I realized there hasn't been any music in this. None in there. And it creates such a different feel than if you put music in there anywhere. Yeah, no, it adds so much of what that movie's about. And I think the Coen Brothers, I mean, obviously they work with music all the time and lots of their movies. But they're especially adept at making that work. And it's really something.
Starting point is 00:21:04 There's a part of the top of the movie where Tommy Lee Johnson, Jones is narrating the early bits going, where's to be time when I have to dirty this, that, whatever he's saying. And there's a discordant kind of in the background. It's not really music. It's more like don't go down that hallway in the dark kind of sound. And then that's it.
Starting point is 00:21:25 The whole rest of the movie. No music of any kind. And if you're not really paying attention to it, you don't realize it until you're done or even halfway through it sometimes like you were. And it's like, what the frick is this? How is this even work? how is this possible? And I really like that. So the reason I brought up ultimatum is there's that
Starting point is 00:21:42 scene in Morocco where he jumps through that window across through another building and into a window for the big fight. And there's music up to that moment that he crashes through there. But then he hits the ground and they start that choreographed brawl. Yeah. And it's sans music of any kind. And it's so much more intense. Oh, so much more. Because all you're hearing is the rustling of clothes and things hitting each other. And you're like, you're pulling. pulled in at that point to what's going on so much more than if they had any kind of a music bet over that. But you're right. I love how they cut it as he hits that window or the fake window because it was definitely fake. But it was a really, it was a really cool moment. I think
Starting point is 00:22:24 Paul Greengrass is a hell of a director, even though I know he's a shaky cam.com kind of guy. All right. I know that some of you don't like that. He's gotten better. That's part of why I like ultimatum is that. they backed off a little bit on the shaky cam from supremacy. Not a ton, but they dialed it down to like a nine, eight and a half. He's great. I love that guy. He can make a movie.
Starting point is 00:22:51 I'll go see it. Did you see News of the World? No, that's the only one. I have not, oh, wait, we also haven't seen the Swedish shooting one, the July 11 or whatever it's called, or July 22, I think it's called. I haven't seen that one. it's supposed to be a lot it's along the lines of like united 93 you know real event sort of kind of movie um but yeah i've i've not seen either of those two i guess it's just two latest those are
Starting point is 00:23:20 the two i haven't seen yeah yeah news of the world was good yeah you liked it i liked it yeah it's a western right mm-hmm all right yeah tom hanks oh they're back together after you i'm the captain now after that whole thing yeah because that's right that was that deal uh nice I only saw that movie this year, earlier this year, like in the winter, early, or pre-spring. I watched Captain Phillips for the first time. That was a bit of an intense watch that movie there. Yeah, yeah, it is.
Starting point is 00:23:50 Yeah. I did go see a new one, a new movie on Friday. I went to the theater to see A Haunting in Venice. Oh, the last Perot thing, Mustache Man movie didn't get very good reviews. How's this one? It didn't. um this one i like better uh i'm i'm a sucker for murder mysteries anyway i love that stuff i grew up reading sherlock holmes and and all of that um this one i liked almost as much as murder on the
Starting point is 00:24:19 orient express i love kenneth brando's got a style to him and he incorporates a lot of horror elements into this um is he directing this stuff or is it just him is he just in it no he's directing yeah all right that's cool and um he's talented he's very talented And it was good. It was fun. I enjoyed it. The sad thing was, it was both, it was a double-edged sword. So I went Friday night at 7 o'clock, right?
Starting point is 00:24:43 So prime time, opening night to see it in the theater. There were less than 20 people there. Oh, my. Not your big blockbuster at end of summer movie, I guess. No, no, not great for the old box office, but nice for the movie-going experience. Yeah, it's like getting on an airplane. Kim did this on her way to Mississippi this last week. She got on her plane.
Starting point is 00:25:06 and none she had a middle seat on one side of the plane and nobody next to her on either side and across from her nobody on all three of those seats like you had an entire like width width of the plane to just like you know you could jump back and forth throw a ball over there half hour later go over there and get it throw it back to yourself you do whatever you want that's amazing I want that in my life anyway yeah uh so I guess the bottom line is Music will get you to play video games. Yes, sir. One other thing, okay, back on the movies thing, and, you know, Travis is a big movie guy, so it's fun to talk about movies on here with you.
Starting point is 00:25:47 Nick and I've had this plan forever. We've been both very busy. You know, he's busy working. He's got his own place now. He's, you know, over there trying to adult and all that stuff. And we, I have always had this list of movies that I wanted Nick to see. But he was either too young or. life went so fast that we just didn't get around to seeing them and we finally compiled this list and
Starting point is 00:26:12 i would like your reaction to my list okay on chat room as well if you think there should be anything i i plug into this or this is wanting in some way let me know uh but here are the here is the list of films nick and i are going to watch now one that isn't on here is the one we are absolutely watching so on my six days of october where kim's gone carter's gone i'm here all alone nick's going to take his day off on a Monday and after TMS when I'm done he's going to come over here and the rest of that day completely focused on
Starting point is 00:26:44 just dad, son, hangout, pizza watch movies that we've never seen together, blah, blah, blah. Nice. It's going to be great. Can't wait. It's going to be super fun. Shawshank Redemption is the first thing we're watching because he's never seen it. And I'm of the opinion. It's one of the greatest films ever made.
Starting point is 00:26:59 So, you know, why wouldn't you watch that? I've seen it. I don't know, 15 times. Why not 16? Let's do it. Sure. Um, then, then we go like this, road to perdition. Uh, this is a movie I love and he has wanted to see for a long time. So that's on there. Goodfellas, gladiator, unforgiven, saving Ryan's privates, sorry, saving private Ryan,
Starting point is 00:27:23 Jaws, Braveheart, dances with wolves, rain man, Fargo, and the Green Mile. Um, you may notice there's a lot of, let's see, one, two, three, three, There's quite a few 90s movies in here, a little, man, a couple late 80s, I guess. Let's see, when was, Goodfellas was 89, I think, right? I think so. 89, 90. Okay. Unforgiven was like right there, too.
Starting point is 00:27:49 Yeah. Unforgiven was 92 or one. I can't remember what year at one. It's, it's, I think it was 91 because it won at the 92 Oscars. Private Ryan was 98. Braveheart was early? 95. 95?
Starting point is 00:28:03 Is that right? Yeah. dances with wolves rain man let's see rain man was late 80s fargo was 97 6 96 96 he's leaning toward our first day because we're gonna watch two that day so we do we do shawshank and then um fargo that's his current brain where his brain's at now i told him the green miles same director as as uh you know this is frank derrbant and he goes yeah oh maybe we should do those back to back and i thought I don't know makes more sense maybe to just break that up a little you know you don't I would break
Starting point is 00:28:39 that up also Green Mile is three hours long yeah and Shawshank is is a pretty long one too that's a that's a long double feature that's a beast right um that's two thirds of the director's cut of Lord of the Rings in time you don't want to spend that kind of time basically um and I would break up those and and mix in a different director than Derrbant it's a great list I've seen the only thing on this list I haven't seen is Road to Perdition um which which is going to happen soon. I have it kind of earmarked for doing it on the podcast. But all the rest of these are great, great choices.
Starting point is 00:29:19 Road to Perdition is rad. It's based on a comic book, an old, I think Dark Horse is who published the book. But anyway, for my money, it's still my favorite comic book adaptation that is out of the, you know, that's more in the indie comics scene. And I know there are other good ones. Like there's things I like about mystery men, even though a lot of it doesn't hold up now. Another Dark Horse thing.
Starting point is 00:29:45 There's things like about the Hellboy series. Like there's a lot of non-Marvel, non-D.C. non-mainstream comic book two movie adaptations that I like. But this one has always stood really tall. Sam Mendes is a great director. Like I'm really, really jazzed to show him that one.
Starting point is 00:29:59 Chat says, Why isn't Pulp Fiction on here? Nick has seen Pulp Fiction a number of times. That's why it's not on here. here. So this is just a list of movies he has never seen. So Shawshank is the start of it. The rest of these I listed are just ones I thought of. Obviously, there's hundreds, thousands that I could talk to him about. But he's seen everything else. Like, you can't name, I don't know, I'm trying to think of it.
Starting point is 00:30:24 Like there's not a Pixar movie we haven't watched together. There's not, you know, Star Wars, all this, all that. We've done it all. We've done all that stuff. sure so this is prestige stuff oh prestige wing mangus in the chat said prestige right when i use the word prestige the prestige is awesome i'm putting that on the list you know what else i just thought i thought of that what other nolan businesses he probably hasn't seen inception you know oh man uh prestige inception memento oh memento's good it's really good it's really good and inception all right oops i wrote them very fast so they're all wrong um but anyway I know what I meant.
Starting point is 00:31:05 So we'll see how it goes. But if anyone out there has like additional suggestions, toss us a text and let us know what you think Nick should watch, 80147-1-0462. And I'll tell you what, the first person, you know what, I'll even expand that. The first three people who send text to that number with movie suggestions for Nick and they need to be actual suggestions,
Starting point is 00:31:27 the next three people to do that will get these brand new frog pants the logo pin if I can pull up those are great oops it's hard to see it look at him rib it's like this little guy down here and it's a pin so you know stick it on your thing
Starting point is 00:31:44 collect them all all that kind of stuff they all come you don't want to hate about pins when you get them from the manufacturer they all have this really thin protective layer on it which I appreciate because it means they're not going to get banged up and shipping and stuff but you're not sure it's actually there so it just looks a little
Starting point is 00:32:00 Vaselinei and you're like oh that doesn't look good what's wrong with it oh i see this comes off and then you have to take about 15 minutes to get to the edge of it and finally peel the damn thing off yes oh sucks ass that that one drives me crazy yeah it's annoying it's annoying it's annoying anyway whoever those people are i'm going to go check right now i'll bet we got i bet we got somebody we can probably give a shout out to a name or two here uh the first texts i've received oh here we go oh there's a bunch of these all right how do we give okay they have to be movies he hasn't seen so that's one of the rules so uh the person that said tombstone i'm sorry that one will not
Starting point is 00:32:37 count uh dark city oh dark city dude oh yes toss me your name and address okay also uh if you do dark city find the director's cut oh yeah the director's cut rocks so much better yeah i have that on i think i have a blu-ray version of that version okay so i think that's where we'd watch it or we at least seek out the streaming equivalent because it's it's a lot like that um it's like blade runners directors cut stuff so much better than the freaking ogy yes have you do you do you okay here's a question for you oh we got more way let me give one more of these away um he's already seen tombstone he's already seen holy grail grimlins he's seen uh dog day afternoon he'd like that you know what dog day afternoon's a good one i'm going to give that to
Starting point is 00:33:30 this person I don't know who it is I don't have their names oh Becca smiles That's who it is Becca smiles sorry go ahead You were gonna say Okay I'm gonna give you one for free
Starting point is 00:33:39 That's an older one But I haven't seen it mentioned yet And it is It is an older movie that I watched And I could not believe I had never seen before The Maltese Falcon Oh that movie's great
Starting point is 00:33:51 That movie's so good It's older old is dirt But it's fantastic It holds up More people saying Tombstone Quit doing that Interstellar. I don't know if he's seen it, but I'm going to count it. I don't know if he's seen interstellar. I love interstellar. So all right. So I have told three people. Oh my gosh. So many people say parasite. You guys are wackadoos. You knew that was coming. You knew that was high. And his generation, not his generation. I don't want to blanket it. Him in particular, he's the one that keeps turning subtitles on everything. It's driving me freaking nuts. When they come over to the house, they're doing laundry or whatever. And they got old King of the Hill running or something on TV.
Starting point is 00:34:32 They have to have subtitles. I'm like, Nick, why? Do you have subtitles? Well, I just, it's easier to follow. No, it's not. It's more distracting. I can't. We're having a real generational divide on this issue of this topic.
Starting point is 00:34:45 So maybe Parasite would work for him because he likes them subtitles. I don't know. I'll consider it. Who knows? Ooh. What's the train one? The snowpiercer. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:58 Oh, that's a good one too. Same director. I could do that. And that one's in English. That'll get me in some email trouble. Let's move on. Yep. Let's move on to this right here. This is some news. Hold on. I'm in the wrong place. Okay, great. Here we go. Today's news is brought to you by TV's Travis's shows. He's got like four of them. Tell us more about your lineup, man, and more people can. can get them. Sure. So, um, I am part of four current podcasts. The main one for me is called Wait, You Haven't Seen. And it's movies where either my guest or me are seeing it for the very
Starting point is 00:35:43 first time. Um, this most recent episode that will come out on Wednesday, I had from the movie madness podcast or my monster madness podcast guy named Matt Stein. He'd never seen killer clowns from outer space. Oh my. So we watched that. Wow. Wow. Um, but two weeks ago, I had my friends Stephen on, he had never seen American gangsters. So there's no, like, restrictions on what we watch. It's just somebody brings something they've never seen before. That one has been going for about four years now. And then I do a show on classic television.
Starting point is 00:36:16 And we define classic as anything pre-2000. Oh, okay. Called, those were the days. Yeah, it's 23 years ago. So that's, I think it counts. Yeah. We have this argument on play retro all the time. What constitutes retro?
Starting point is 00:36:28 I think 23 years is. I think that's pretty good. Yeah, a chunk of time. So that one, that one I do with Audie Norman, Stephen Adams from horseshoes and hand grenades, and Amy Frost. And we, that's fun because we pick a topic. Like right now we're doing private eye shows. So we each pick an episode of a show every week and do,
Starting point is 00:36:52 so we do four weeks of private eye shows. Magnum PI, tonight we're going to talk about Simon and Simon, that kind of stuff. I love Simon and Simon growing up. It's good. And it's great because we always try to pick stuff that isn't necessarily the first choice, the first thing you would think of. We have a lot of fun with that one. I also do horror movies only with Monica.
Starting point is 00:37:16 Oh, yeah. That's right. And Dred and our friend Faye, and we do, it's called Gore. That one comes out twice a month. That's been a ton of fun. We just passed 50 episodes of that. Nice. So we've been at that for a little while now.
Starting point is 00:37:31 And the fourth one, Audie and I are bringing back for one more season. Let's watch Highlander. We're going to finish off. We've watched all of Highlander the series. We've watched every live action Highlander film. We've watched the animated series. We watched the anime film that was produced. I didn't know that was a thing.
Starting point is 00:37:50 Yeah, it came out. It was the guy who directed Ninja Scroll made one. Oh. I want to say it was like 20. 10-ish era. It's called Highlander The Search for Vengeance. People always ask me
Starting point is 00:38:04 where is where so I give a lot of heat to a lot of anime because a lot of it's just ridiculous to me but man or this Ninja Scrolls badass
Starting point is 00:38:12 so good. I'll tell you he did a great job with the Highlander one too it's a lot of fun it's set in the future and it's good but there was another
Starting point is 00:38:23 live action series they did a spinoff of Highlander the series called Highlander the Raven where they followed a different immortal. Her name's Amanda. She was a regular on the series. She would show up here and there.
Starting point is 00:38:39 So they did that for one season. It didn't last. But Audie and I are going to watch that. So starting actually this week, we're getting back into it. And we're going to watch the 13 episodes of Highlander the Raven. What do you think of this news that John Wick director and writer is teaming up with Henry Cavill to reboot the entire Highlander universe? you feel about that? I love it because first of all, Chad Stahelsky, the John Wick
Starting point is 00:39:03 films, I love them, and I think that he's got the right mentality, and he wants to do it. And Henry Cavill, I think, could be great. I've always said, I've said for a long time, I would love to see taking this world, taking that mythology, and bringing it into the information age, because part of what makes Highlander work so well is it was in the 80s when it started, and there was a little bit of computer work, but we didn't have like... No, not like now. There weren't cameras everywhere,
Starting point is 00:39:31 and there weren't all the surveillance stuff. And like, it was a lot easier for somebody to just hide and change their identity. How are they going to incorporate that now? Yeah, that's really interesting. I think Henry Cavill make just a badass Connor McLeod.
Starting point is 00:39:45 I just think that's great. So, yeah, bring it on. Make that movie. That'd be great. I'm sure they are. Yeah, but those are the shows. I do, website actually
Starting point is 00:39:55 Tadpooler Bombats helped me design an awesome website. Tvystravis.com you can find all my shows there when to get them they're available
Starting point is 00:40:05 on all your podcatchers and I also do put a video version of weight you haven't seen on my YouTube channel which will be getting more content as well
Starting point is 00:40:15 just for YouTube there very nice go check it out what's your name on YouTube TV Travis all right to get that everywhere I managed to.
Starting point is 00:40:26 Yeah. Fantastic. Oh, quick note here, PSA, if you listen to the show via Google Podcasts, and maybe you won't hear this because that's how you listen to the show. They're choking on all sorts of problems right now with feeds, and I'm trying to wrangle how to get that fixed on their end. They are impossible to deal with when it comes to this stuff. They're too big and run by robots.
Starting point is 00:40:50 So trying to reclaim feeds and get the proper RSS. update and all this stuff after moving hosts is just a kind of a nightmare everyone else is fine all of their directories no issues all the forwarding's working everything's good zero problems except google podcasts which is such a half-assed effort anyway it bugs the crap out of me um but i'm i had i had the same issue mine was minor because my feed was so much smaller than yours but when i moved uh last year the same thing google podcast was the slowest one to update so i can imagine with feeds as large as some of yours are and all that kind of stuff,
Starting point is 00:41:26 it probably is a pain. They just aren't, I don't know what the problem is. They just don't have a good way to deal with it. And if somebody else claims your feed and you try to go reclaim it, it's like trying to pry something out of someone's cold dead hands. It's just a whole lot.
Starting point is 00:41:41 So someone else right now, for example, supposedly someone else owns the rights to make any adjustments to the entry for the morning stream over there. So right now I'm fighting like, that's not my email address, and I can't do this without getting that changed. And all they can do is go, beep, boop, beep, did that help? Did that answer your question?
Starting point is 00:42:02 It's like, freaking have a person. I need people. Yeah, that's the worst part. Yeah, I need more people, man. Less robots, more people. All right, here's a quick story for you. Italy's invasive blue crab, this is a thing that happens every year where they just go crazy with the blue crabs. has the Korean seafood world excited.
Starting point is 00:42:23 Let's learn more. An Italian crustacean infestation, oh, that's fun to say, isn't it? Crestation infestation is fanning culinary excitement in Korea with a local seafood importer reaching out to Italy for possible imports. Italy's northern Adriatic coast has been dealing with an invasive crab species called the Atlantic Blue Crab in recent years with the species wreaking havoc on the country's ecosystem and causing millions of dollars, worth of damage. Ah, they got a bad case of the crabs.
Starting point is 00:42:53 That's what that is. First introduced to the bilges of foreign vessels several years ago. The Atlantic Blue Crab found a hospitable environment in the Mediterranean waters, warmed by climate change. The unwelcome outsider soon went to devour 90% of Italy's young clams. Will no one think of the young clams? Causing a loss of 100 million euros, 142 billion. Juan. I don't know what it is in the U.S. money, but they did the Korean and the European money.
Starting point is 00:43:25 Anyway, sure. This is accorded to the Fedigris speaker, confeder cooperative, I think that was right? Do you think I got that? Nailed it. No notes. No notes at all. Italy's problem has ignited a wave of excitement in South Korea, where a marinated raw crab called Gijang in Korea is a delicacy. So these fishmongers over there, and in this article they call them keen fishmongers, sensing a culinary goldmine promptly leaped into action,
Starting point is 00:44:00 and now they're going to import all this blue crab, and they're going to save the world from the scourge that was the Italian blue crab. Save Italy. Boom. The Koreans are going to save Italy by eating all the blue crab. Save Italy, save the world. That's what heroes taught us in 2006.
Starting point is 00:44:16 yes uh isn't it weird i remember the year that show came out 2006 just in my head heroes it is a little weird amazing first season what up you're out petered out piece of garbage after that it's bad it the worst uh casualty of that writer's strike was yeah that's right because remember it was destroyed that show that second season was like written by 12 year old boys it was so bad and they don't that's that doesn't happen so much anymore it's not the supposed to happen, right? Because they're not going to, because that's what they did back then with that show and a few others was that was scab writers, right? Some of it was, I think, yeah. So like that horrible second season of an otherwise pristine
Starting point is 00:45:00 total run of Friday Night Lights, it was so depressing because literally one of the greatest shows of network TV's ever had. It's so good. It's such an amazing show. Great to go back to and watch again. But season. two freaking Landry killed a guy like this high school it was so bad it was so just not tonally consistent with what that show was and they fixed it season three and it all the way to the end
Starting point is 00:45:30 amazing what a run incredible show but do we just all pretend that two didn't happen in this case like in heroes it was the death now two two would be the end of them but yeah man because they heroes just never recovered from it They, they started falling into like too many tropey, tropey things. Because there was stuff in seasons three, I think they did four.
Starting point is 00:45:53 Yeah. And there was elements of three and four that were okay, but they just couldn't get out of their own way. Oh, that's right. They did have more than two. But it was, I guess that was it for me at the end of two. I was like, well, this just jumped about 15 sharks. I'm done. Which is really sad.
Starting point is 00:46:09 Yeah. Because this is like pre-MCU, pre-hmm, you know, how do we feel about supernatural hero crap on television it proved it could work you know everybody's losing their shit over it and then season two was just so here here's the sound that season two makes right here that's the sound pretty much let's talk about canada this is a story about ontario and a woman who has no idea why one thousand condoms were shipped to her house no idea whatsoever i don't have any idea where these condoms came from or why they're here She says.
Starting point is 00:46:45 A woman from Northern Ontario says she has no idea why this giant box was sent her. Just had a thousand Trojan condoms. I think that's ironic. Because, you know, Trojan. Why did they name? I got a question about Trojan. The story about the Trojan horse, okay? The whole idea is sneaking dudes in.
Starting point is 00:47:07 You know? Hey, what do you want to do with that big horse? Well, we're going to put it out there. They'll think it's a gift. It's full of dudes. And when they get it in there, they're all going to bust. out of there and just, you know, if they don't kill them with the B.O. from staying in there for three days straight, they're going to get them some other way. But boy, they didn't see that coming, right?
Starting point is 00:47:22 That's the whole idea of the Trojan horse. So when you're like, hey, we got to name these condoms and get these on the market. What do you want to do? How about that thing that's about sneaking dudes into something? You know? I mean, I don't want to. I don't want to go. I don't know I don't even, I don't know how to suss it out my own head. I just think it's a, like, I want to be in that meeting. I want to be a fly in the wall, and I want to know how they came to that conclusion because it just seems like a very odd thing. Or was it, is there some other Trojan meeting you don't understand, like tough soldiers or
Starting point is 00:47:58 that's even worse. No, it gets worse, the more layers we peel back. Yeah, I don't want to peel, don't peel back any layers of your Trojan condom. It won't work as well. It's not guaranteed to keep out the men, if you know what I'm saying. Anyway, this lady says, we got this box. It contained 30. It was a container.
Starting point is 00:48:16 It was 30 boxes of condoms that had 34 in each package. We are no idea who sent it to us. It says Joe Lee Angelheart of Chaplu in Toronto. Angel Heart said, that's like that movie with Mickey Rourke, Angel Heart. Yeah. That's the one where, Brian would laugh right now if I told this stupid story. I'm not going to do it. All I remember about that movie is Lisa Bonnet got shot in the hoo-ha.
Starting point is 00:48:41 That's all I remember. I think. I think that's how that went? That's most of what I remember about that movie, but only because every time it's brought up, when it's brought up with you, that's what you mentioned. I can't help it.
Starting point is 00:48:54 It's been so long since I've seen it, that's all I can remember. I used to do a thing I don't do anymore because I don't think it's very nice to people who are born. Is there a better term now for albino? You know, what do we say a different thing? Because that doesn't sound very nice.
Starting point is 00:49:09 I don't think so. It's probably all we have. term. That's all we have, right? So when somebody would say, I used to do this. I don't do this anymore. But somebody would say, oh, yeah, I think that was, well, we can say it about animals. Let's say, I saw an albino snake. And I immediately would go, oh, all white with pink eyes. And I would say it regardless of the context.
Starting point is 00:49:30 So anybody getting anywhere could say, oh, I'm so wide. I can't go out in the sun. I'm just an albino. You mean all white with pink eyes? I would always say that. I don't do that now because I think it's rude to people who might be albino. But another thing I always do, someone brings up Finnish people, and I say, oh, they'd float three inches above the ground and they're still see through that you can see the little heartbeat like a baby fish. Every time. It's not fair to the finish. It's not fair to me. I don't know why I do it.
Starting point is 00:50:02 Anyway, she doesn't know why she got these condoms. She has no idea, but they have enough for a lifetime. That's the end of that story. yeah they have a lot of condoms uh a thousand condoms i don't know would that be enough for a lifetime if you're a pretty frisky couple you know i don't know i don't know how that would work i don't know let's do the math for me let's do the math we got let's say you wanted to use all thousand in a year to break a record you got a thousand condoms whoops let's do that let's do a calculator well about three times a day you'd be three is that the math well it's 365 days
Starting point is 00:50:37 in a year so divided by 365 You'd have to do it 2.73 times a day. But I wouldn't recommend that. It doesn't make any sense. I don't want to be that 0.73. That's rough. No, that feels like that's going to be unsatisfying. Yeah, I don't think anybody wins with that.
Starting point is 00:50:57 That's just chafing. Yeah. We're going to take a break. When we come back, we're going to be joined by tomorrow's guest host. But today, in the capacity of a science expert, Mr. Bobby Frankenberger. So that's coming up right after this break. And I've got music to play that Brian sent me to tell you guys about real quick. So here's the deal.
Starting point is 00:51:16 Let me pull this up. So I have it in front of me. It's a song called Baby Teeth. It is a indie in the middle today. And it was sent in by Black Panda, which Brian has used quite a bit for various bands like this. They are listed as a pithy alt-rock star, Star, Zocococ. drops a new single called Baby Teeth from the forthcoming EP. We're going to go ahead and play that now.
Starting point is 00:51:47 It says here, driven by electric guitar and powerful bold vocals. Brian says in his opener here, this is for TMS's indie in the middle and it's great. So I'm going to believe him. It says the music resonates with the spirit of a new era while playing homage to the iconic sounds of the past. So we're going to play that now and come back in just a moment.
Starting point is 00:52:09 Stay tuned. Okay, hello? Hey, no, no, I'm here. Let's go. Oh, my God, I am. Oh, my God. Well, she's just so odd. It started going south.
Starting point is 00:52:23 When my name got chewed up in Jenny's mouth, and it's spelled like our soul, painted bathroom stalls, rumors, mountain tall. You should really see the view from up here. I'm not gonna cry, but it can't help how I feel so. I feel sometimes like I'm such an imposter, just somebody's daughter, scared of treading water, I hold on a little longer. I still keep the baby teeth, so I don't forget, I got it, got a guy, got a habit that I hate two feet. I like to wear up around my neck, yeah, I don't want to want a lot.
Starting point is 00:53:01 Like all by the pieces that I'm made of, even though it eats me to save them, I still keep you. Oh, baby, baby teeth Hold on the next one guy I'm fine because I make my dime Working the job that I don't like But I'm getting by I'm picking pennies off the sidewalk Takes my mind off
Starting point is 00:53:25 Night's the one that grow out of But they come at a price And I'm not gonna lie I got bruises that'll stain for life And boxes in the attic Keep me symptomatic everywhere I wonder I hold on a little longer I still keep the baby teeth so I don't forget I got it got it gotta happen that I hate two feet I like to wear up around my neck yeah I don't want to wonder
Starting point is 00:53:56 like all the pieces that I made of even though it eats in me to save them I still keep you Oh, baby teeth I'm going to start a boring sows And it's only getting worse face plant in the dirt I can taste the other, I don't care about it hurt. I still keep the baby teeth So I don't forget it got it got it got it got a habit out I hate to feed I like to wear around my neck
Starting point is 00:54:34 No, I don't want a one on. Let go the pieces that I'm made of. Even though it eats at me to save them, I still keep your all. Baby, baby teeth. Hold on a little longer. Hold on a little longer. Hold on a little longer. If you can't wait, neither can I.
Starting point is 00:55:34 okay oh anyway she seems rad and uh this this song is cool so watch for this coming out very soon in full album form awesome and i love that that clip coming back in that was like the start of half a dozen lines in a song yeah it just never finished yeah this is so this is a dude i'll tell what it was it was a video i found on youtube of a guy who is singing and i think it's a church and he sounds like a you know really um uh uh hardcore gospel singing project way out into the congregation kind of singer but I think he was trying to riff or
Starting point is 00:56:11 improv and then just didn't have any words so it just came out like this I didn't edit that it's just him going like he just kind of letting it rip I mean that or he may be having a stroke during that he might be and that would be boy that would be a that's a bummer that would be unfortunate
Starting point is 00:56:32 nobody wants that all right Oh, goodness. Let me open up the right tab. Here we go. All right, we are at the phase of today's program where we got to add Bobby to this mix and have a little fun with Mr. Franks. His dad was Mr. Franks, I guess. Anyway, he's on his way in.
Starting point is 00:56:50 Let's see if we can get him in here and play his little dealio here. Science. Bob is hungry and the soup looks good. Can confirm. It's Bobby Frankenberger. He is our science correspondent here on the show. comes on most Wednesdays, or Mondays, every other Monday, to talk about the latest in stuff going on around that space.
Starting point is 00:57:12 Hello, Bobby. Welcome to Science Time with you. How are you? Thank you for welcoming to me with me. Yes, you are here. We're all here. It's good to have you here. How's my microphone volume?
Starting point is 00:57:23 I got a new microphone and, you know, how things go. You're loud, but I'm going to change you on my end. Well, I thought I might have turned myself up loud, so why don't I turn myself down a little bit? All right. Go for it. It's just a little overmodulated. How's that? That's a minus five.
Starting point is 00:57:38 That's pretty good. That's pretty good right there. I don't think we're good there. Bobby, welcome back. It's been a bit, man. I'm sure how scientific things have happened, whether I was paying attention to it or not, right? Things happen.
Starting point is 00:57:52 Yeah, things happen all the time. Things happen all the time. I do want to give you guys, I have a list of animals that don't fart. Oh, shit. Okay. This is good knowledge. Then let's start, let's go with, is it like the top 10, you know, like number one being the most non-farty? Sure, do you want to try to see how many of these you can guess?
Starting point is 00:58:13 Yeah. So I've got nine on this list. Nine, are they specific things or species level, like whole categories of species? I mean, they are species, but I'm not like, like, if it were, it's not, but if it were one of them were, say, jellyfish. I chose that one because they don't even have digestive tracts out. if it were jellyfish uh that would be the speed i'm not going to ask you to say like man of war you know or like like it's just okay well then i'm gonna i'm gonna stick with my original one which is birds is that on there birds is on the list okay okay birds birds neither poo uh or there's something
Starting point is 00:58:56 else they don't do oh they don't i mean not poo they burp they don't they do they don't burp or fart there's no burps coming out um yeah okay The birds, the reason they don't as interesting is because they don't have the stomach bacteria that causes gas to build up. I was going to say some amphibians slash reptiles, but I
Starting point is 00:59:16 had a snake that farted, so I don't think that's in there. It's not on my list, anyway. Travis, do anything jump to your head? I mean, I would have guessed like some kind of reptile, like geckos or, you know,
Starting point is 00:59:31 lizard, something reptile or amphibian. Yeah, maybe they don't. Maybe we'll say, you know what? What if we said reptile, would that, would you tell it? I guess you can tell us. Well, reptile would be awful broad, but like, uh, I, um, not, uh, alligators. Alligators. Alligators aren't on my list, um, but frogs are, which I don't know why I bring that up because frogs are amphibians, not reptiles, um, but frogs are on the list. Frogs are on the list. So they, yeah, frogs don't fart. Frogs don't fart. Wow. I didn't know that. Yeah, I don't have any reptiles on the list. I will tell you, let's, let's name some more.
Starting point is 01:00:10 This is going to get real boring real fast. The, their octopuses don't, see anemones, see cucumbers. I don't know if you ever would have thought that see anemones or cucumber cucumbers did, so I don't see the value of them being on the list. No. But sloths don't. Really? Which may be the mammal that you were thinking of. Slots don't fart. They might be the only mammal it says here,
Starting point is 01:00:37 but then also badgers are on the list, and I'm pretty sure badgers are maddened. Maybe sloths fart, but they just do it so slow, you just never can perceive it. Well, they don't have a lot of bacteria in their gut either. That's why they eat so slowly. Yeah, I was going to say it's probably got a lot to do with what types of things these animals eat. Yeah, so if you gave a bowl of Cheetos to one of those animals,
Starting point is 01:01:01 and God forbid anyone ever did that, you probably are, you could put the thing in danger because I think any of that kind of processed crap food that we eat ourselves, you give it to these kind of animals and they can't push it through, they can't get it out. Slots eat a lot of, you know, leaves and plant material,
Starting point is 01:01:20 which would cause a lot of gas to build up if we ate it. But they don't have the bacteria for it. And that's why they digest it so slowly is because they don't have bacteria to help assist that. Interesting. Have you ever smelled a sloth? You ever been near one to smell it? I've been, I mean, I've been at the zoo and looked at the sloths,
Starting point is 01:01:41 but like everything kind of smells the same at the zoo. Yeah, yeah, it all kind of stinks. That's just like the collective stinky animal smell. I have just always assumed that a sloth reeks, but I could be dead wrong. Maybe those things are like a throw pillow straight from your dryer. I don't know. I don't know what to expect.
Starting point is 01:01:58 Yeah, yeah, they move real slow. so I don't know why that makes me think they're smelly as well I know it's weird right it's like they must be see I go in the opposite direction which is they move so slow they don't get overheated in sweat so they're not getting all that bacteria on their skin that's true I've never seen one pant never seen a panting sloth all I've never seen a sloth bathe itself either oh yeah how do they do that I wonder that's a good point yeah that'd be fun to watch slowly they dropped a bar of soap they're never going to get that thing back
Starting point is 01:02:30 All right. More mammals on the list, or what else we got? Like I said, it says badgers. Well, they're dicks. I didn't really look deep into this list before I came on, so I'm realizing now that this is a dumb list. Is it a dumb list? Well, look, we gave you no time for your dumb list, right? We didn't plan. I'm not apologizing.
Starting point is 01:02:55 Well, all right, then. That's probably not our main topic, though. No, no, no. I have a public service. announcement for our main topic. Oh my gosh. All right. What do you got? Well, this is brand new news just last week. The FDA, there's an FDA advisory panel that voted unanimously that the, that the decongestant in pseudafed over the counter, which is a diphthydrome, or no, no, no, it's phenyl-ephrine, is not effective at treating nasal decongestion.
Starting point is 01:03:32 Yeah, this is true of a whole bunch of products that use it, right? They're saying that ingredient that we've said for decades now does work. Yeah. Doesn't work. Yeah, so, and this is a funny story, and the reason I'm bringing it up is not just for the public service announcement part of it, but I do think that's important because we here in our house, in the Frankenberger household, because my wife, Stephanie, is a pharmacist. we've known for a long time that this phenylephrine is you like don't get the over-the-counter pseudofed like it's that's that's that's always been a thing if I were to bring that home I would be in trouble are you sure it's not it's not that it's not that it works better at higher doses it's not that it over-counters the problem or is it well well no so it's it's complicated right and and so it does all right so it is over so
Starting point is 01:04:26 Both of the, the answer of both of your questions is yes. It is over the counter that's the problem, and it's in higher doses that it does work, it might work better. Okay. But the problem with taking phenylephrine at higher doses is that it also can cause blood pressure issues. It can significantly increase your blood pressure at higher doses. Oh, really? So it's dangerous to take at higher doses. So that's why they're saying it's not, it's not.
Starting point is 01:04:56 not an effective decongestine. It shouldn't be in medication. Like, you shouldn't be taking it as a decongestion. It shouldn't be sold over the counter anymore because it's not effective. Right. And so that's what the FDA advisory panel is saying. Now, importantly, that doesn't mean it's going to be taken off the shelf. And even if it does decide to be taken off the shelf, it's not going to be taken off the shelf immediately. That's because you may know from paying attention to all the vaccine stuff that went on for the past few years that the advisor, panel is not the same thing as having an actual decision that is made
Starting point is 01:05:30 by the FDA. Yeah, they don't get to make calls like what's the word? They got into this a little bit in that dopesick show. Oh yeah, okay. How much they have what actual, like there's different levels. It's like, well,
Starting point is 01:05:46 an advisory panel made up of scientists and experts and people whose job it is to look at these things, they make a judgment. And then that judgment is then like, all right, well, what do we do with this? And I guess it just gets escalated. I don't think you have to take it all the way to the upper echelons of government, but I think at some point you have to sign off on the idea that we're pulling this from shelves. Is this at that state,
Starting point is 01:06:10 are we pulling it from shelves, or are we just saying, don't take it? Well, so yeah, there's, there's a series of steps that have to be undergone in order for that to happen. And it's all, you know, it's all just bureaucracy and government stuff, right? Like, it has to, to go through these long series of steps. The first one is that someone has to raise the question in the first place and sort of get together. That's what happened with this, is that earlier in this century, back in 2007, there were some researchers that independently reviewed some evidence, just because they were suspicious of the evidence that was used to mark it as effective.
Starting point is 01:06:50 But they reviewed the evidence on their own, and they said, look, the evidence shows that this stuff is no more effective than a placebo. um so why is this on the shelves in the first place so they they get together and they they sort of um have like a public petition to get the the FDA to take a look at this evidence so that that's the first step the next step is that the FDA convenes this advisory panel to review the evidence and then make a decision that's where it is now the next step is that the advice that the advisory panel has issued gets sent to the FDA yeah well it's already at the FDA, but the FDA looks at the advice and decides, what do we want to do about this
Starting point is 01:07:32 advice? And then they sort of draft a recommendation or a decision that they want to happen, right? Right. And then that has to go out for at least 45 days for public comment. That means anybody in the country can publicly comment about it, but mostly what they're looking for is expert opinions in the in the general public right right about what they're wanting to do um and so after all those public comments they go back and review that then then update maybe they're the what they want to do based on the public comments and then they'll make a decision so it's it's on the road for something to be done about it right and it and there and what is it controversial in the sense that there's somebody out there going oh you can't take away my poopinephrine or whatever
Starting point is 01:08:25 it's called. You can't be taking it. Fenilephrine. You can't be taking that from me. From my dead cold hands, you'll take it. Like, is there any kind of blowback like that? Or is it just, because it doesn't sound like, is it good for anything else? Like, I guess it's a stimulant. Every time I'd take pseudofed when I was younger, it made me all hyper. So the younger stuff that you were taking, the stuff you were taking when you were younger was probably not phenolephrine. It was probably pseudoephedrine, which is effective. And so that's something I want to, I want to bring up during the course of this, because some people might be saying to themselves, what? I take Sudafed all the time and it definitely works
Starting point is 01:08:57 and you're probably right if you're taking pseudoephedrine Sudafedron. Sudafed was originally marketed. It's called Sudafed because that's a play on the drug that's in it, pseudoephedrine. Oh, it's like a this isn't the real thing.
Starting point is 01:09:13 Right, so there's a history of this. This is actually where it gets a little shady and definitely I know Jeannie's in the chat room talking about companies making money from it and that's exactly what's happening here. Genie cynicism is right on the money this time This is exactly what's happening here
Starting point is 01:09:32 So a long time ago So here's the brief history Fenil Ephron was originally reviewed by the FDA back in 1976 All right And back then the FDA was approving a ton of drugs That had been on the market That had already been on the market
Starting point is 01:09:50 Because back then they had just changed their efficacy standards for drugs And so they were going back and looking at old drugs and saying, we need to, based on these new efficacy standards that we have, we need to review all these old drugs. Okay. Yeah. And the FDA has forever been an underfunded but very important organization. So that was a lot of work that they had to do.
Starting point is 01:10:12 Yeah. So chances are this kind of, if you're wondering how this made it through, chances are it's because they just didn't have enough time. They needed to review it and move on to other. things right right um there were not very many studies that that they looked at they looked at 14 studies which actually is not a lot but it's even worse than that of the 14 studies they looked at only two of them were published studies 12 of them were unpublished studies and the unpublished ones were a very dubious uh uh sort of quality um in fact there's a lot of there's a lot of
Starting point is 01:10:48 evidence that some of them had fraudulent faked data in it Um, but anyway, back then, they pushed it through and they said, okay, this is effective, whatever. Yeah. And, uh, and the, like the pharmacists, the people who study all these things, like I said, even when my wife was in school, they were being taught that this stuff just doesn't work. Um, don't recommend it. Um, and, uh, and so, but, it was on the shelf for a long time, but it wasn't used very often because pseudoephedrine was. was king. It was great. It was everybody knew it worked. It was a
Starting point is 01:11:31 decongestant that was very effective. But there was a problem with pseudoephedrine. Do you know what it is? I'm going to guess that it's the thing in meth that people were buying and then boiling it down and making like Walter White
Starting point is 01:11:47 bullshit in their basement. 100% that was the problem. So back in the early back earlier in the century couple, you know, years ago, the government, uh, changed the laws about pseudoephedrine and made it so that it could not, it could no longer be sold over the counter. They created, I don't know if this is an official category, um, but I know that my wife refers to these types of drugs that have, you have to go up to the pharmacy counter. Yeah. Talk to a pharmacist and sign off a piece of paper because they, and showed your ID and they have to track how much you're, they'll only give you so much in
Starting point is 01:12:20 certain periods of time. Right. It's, um, they're controlled. So, substances, but they're not, they're not like, that's why it's a different category, because it's not over the counter. It's not really a controlled substance. They call it, and like I said, I don't know if this is official, but in her, what she calls it and what other pharmacists call it is behind the counter. Instead of over the counter, it's behind the counter. It's controlled, quote unquote, but it's not like controlled in the sense that it's an official controlled substance. It's like under the table and over the table. Right. Or if you're, if you're a certain congresswoman from Colorado, it's over the pants or in the pants. That's my understanding. Right. Exactly. I'm just throwing that out there. Anyway, go ahead. Yeah. So, but you're exactly right. So they changed the law to make pseudafed have to be a behind the counter drug that they have to keep track of. If you've ever, and that's what we always get. That's the really good stuff. But yes, it was, it was, it was, it's used to make meth. And it's still a problem. But, yeah, It's used to make meth.
Starting point is 01:13:25 But you can't get it. You can no longer just go to a store and buy up a ton of it, right? That's done. It's really hard. I'm sure if you asked Dan about this, he could tell you stories about it. My wife tells stories all the time. She was working back when they were making these changes. And they had people come in the pharmacy out.
Starting point is 01:13:42 Like they would have whole operations of people that would come in and come behind one after the other trying to get as much of this stuff as they could. Wow. Um, and, uh, and she said she could always, almost always tell when people were doing it. Wow. Um, so she liked when they moved it behind the counter because it took, it made it a lot easy for them for, to, uh, to control that. Um, but so, so when that happened, when it moved behind the counter, pseudoephedrine, uh, the sales of that dropped dramatically. Mm.
Starting point is 01:14:16 Um, as you can imagine, it's harder to get, right? Right. So the drug companies said, we need to, we need something that can replace this on the shelves. We need an over-the-counter substitute for, for consumers, right? And so they went back and looked at stuff. They actually tried to reformulate pseudoephedrine to make it so it was harder, whatever, you know, it didn't work. But they looked back at phenylephrine, which had this really crappy evidence, and they said, we're going to market this as pseudofed, PE. That's what Pfizer did. Pfizer is who makes pseudifid. Oh, I was going to ask if this is a name we knew. But yeah, don't we? Yes. So if you ever look at pseudafet, there's generic versions of this, of course. But if you're talking about Sudafed, Sudafed, P.E is the over-the-counter form. And it's the one that's active ingredient is phenolephrine. It doesn't work. Okay. And the FDA now reviewed the evidence and said, yes, we agree. It doesn't work. So the idea is if it had zero side effects, meaning it didn't.
Starting point is 01:15:19 potentially have heart risks and, you know, blood pressure and all that, we'd still probably want to, you know, we'd still don't want to have a thing that it doesn't work on the market, right? Right. You don't want it on the market because, yeah, it doesn't work. It's, um, the FDA wants, the FDA has what's called a, I think it's called a monograph. Um, it's an over-the-counter, an OTC monograph. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:46 And it's a listing of, what is it used for? It's sort of like, the best way to describe it, it sort of lists for every drug, for every medication. It's active ingredients, what you would use it for, what kind of dosing you would use it for, how effective it is in therapeutic use, you know, and all that kind of stuff. And that's what they publish saying,
Starting point is 01:16:09 these are the things you should use, and these are the conditions and doses you should sell it in and stuff like that. Interesting. And so that's what this will ultimately lead toward is, like, removing phenylephrine from the OTC monograph. I just don't know how it goes as far, though. Like, you've had this thing on the market forever, and initially somebody thought it worked. Is that all it is?
Starting point is 01:16:33 Yeah. Well, again, it went through. There are lots of things that went through during these kinds of times. The FDA, as much as we hear about it, and as much as we think that we might think that they have a lot of power. They have not always had a lot of power. And when they started to get more power and more use, they've been hamstrunged by laws a lot where they are less effective than they probably should be. So things like this happen. I mean, there's, there's a, the dietary supplement and health, dietary supplemental health something act. It's called DeShay. That's why I can't
Starting point is 01:17:08 remember. Oh. Everybody calls it DeShay. Yeah. That's a, that was a law that went into effect that that severely limited the FDA's ability to to regulate the sale of of dietary supplements yeah um and stuff that base in vitamins um that that don't do a lot of anything um and uh but they can't control it now as long as as long as they don't make any like therapeutic claims on the box um and they're very careful then you can sell things like homeopathy in a pharmacy and and but that's to answer your question. The reason I went off on that is because that's why the FDA would like to be able to say, if it doesn't work, keep it off the shelf. Yeah. Because what would be the
Starting point is 01:17:54 damn point? If it doesn't do anything, that's the point of the FDA. It's not just to protect us from some poisonous freaking Tylenol pill or something. It's not just for that. It's also for it's to protect consumers. Yeah, does this do anything? You know, when I read claims on a bottle that says, the claims made on the back of this have not been approved by the FDA. it just makes me go, look, I'm not saying that government regulation is flawless. Of course it isn't. In fact, oftentimes it's effed and it needs redoing or whatever. I understand that.
Starting point is 01:18:27 I'm just saying if a thing says it's going to improve everything, these statements have not been approved by the FDA. I don't usually believe you because if it did do the things you said, at the very least you would have submitted it for the FDA to say, yeah, you're right. The things you say it does, it does do, therefore it's on the market. Like, that, people, people always say, well, the government, grubbra, yeah, but the whole point is you have a standard, right? Right. So get the standard, or don't do it.
Starting point is 01:18:58 Also, so the whole reason that they're putting that into their, into their marketing, right, that these claims have not been, you know, reviewed by the Food and Drug Administration or whatever it is, the whole reason they're adding that into their marketing is to protect them. themselves, right? To say, to say, we haven't had this reviewed yet, so we have to say this so that we don't get legally into a lot of trouble saying we're making these claims. But if it hasn't been reviewed by appropriate organizations and you're already going to market with it, you've got to wonder why. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. That whole thing is just so fruity to me. But also I thought they were, I assume this whole time they were required by law to say that they hadn't been approved by the FDA, because it's always the same language. They're required by law in the sense that if you don't say that, you could get into a lot of trouble
Starting point is 01:19:46 because it could be interpreted that you're making health claims that. It's the reason that you have, like, you know, caution this coffee is hot on a cup of coffee. It's C.Y.A. Oh, right. Yeah. But you got to cover your butt. Sure. You got to cover your butts. And I always wonder what this is like in other countries. I know everybody, every other, you know, civilized nation has some sort of, regulatory something in place for for food and consumption type items that sort of thing medicine
Starting point is 01:20:14 um i've always been curious what how do they compare like let's just say we got clare's in the chat um the irish meat council or whatever i don't know what they are do they are they all just lording over info over there going ah the americans are so stupid with their whatever we're not we're going to let this corn beef go or you know you know what i mean like i would like to know how other countries do it without my layer of regional semi-racism. I just want to understand it. I don't know if anyone's going to give me any good ideas, but hey, Claire, whoever write in, how does your government handle something where they got to recall something?
Starting point is 01:20:53 Or they found out later a thing didn't work. Or, uh-oh, there's an outbreak of Listeria and a bunch of cabbages. Do you guys just do like we do and enforce like a recall? I don't know. I don't even know how we do it. How do we do a recall? Oh, yeah. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:21:08 That stuff's... I can't imagine having something recalled from tens of thousands of store show. Oh, my gosh, dude. So bad. What was the place that had glass in their peanut butter?
Starting point is 01:21:20 What? One of the peanut butter, somebody from big peanut butter. I don't remember who it was. It's like Jiff or Skippy or BP. Not to be confused with British Petroleum. Had... There was glass or something
Starting point is 01:21:34 in a whole bunch of things. things. It's kind of like my peanut that went in Kim's, uh, Kim's, uh, salsa. And, uh, you know, they're a lot more deadly. Um, by the way, if I even walk in the kitchen while she's can, because she did a bunch of blueberry or raspberries here recently, black raspberries or black berries, blackberry jam. That's where I was, and it was what I was trying to say. And I just walked through the kitchen with a little handful of peanuts, just kind of eating and looking around. She gets me out of that kitchen so fast. She wants to kill me. She's like, did you make you like, show your sleeves like a dealer in Vegas like I got nothing
Starting point is 01:22:08 just like do not come over here I'm like why because I don't like take off all your clothes and go through a clean room and she goes I don't want to give a bottle of this to my aunt on Christmas and have her find out there was a peanut at the bottom of her freaking thing and she's right she's absolutely right to be upset the point is though where was I going with this the point is uh oh I'm curious about how that stuff works generally speaking but on the specifics um it'd be interesting to see how this goes because most of the the time this is about, there's a couple of interests at play. One is the general health of the population. The other is whatever internal politics are at play at the FDA or any governmental
Starting point is 01:22:45 agency during the time the thing is happening, there's going to be less power at sometimes and more power at other times. My guess is they have a decent say these days, if I had to guess. And then the third thing is enforcement. And what if I love my pseudo-licrin or what is it, What's it called? You're talking about phenolephrine? Fenalephrin. What if I'm way into it? What if I'm like, oh, yeah, but that's the good stuff.
Starting point is 01:23:14 Don't take that away from me. That's the tough part, right? There's probably a lot of confirmation bias that exists out there and anecdotal evidence that people have of, oh, I took this pseudofed in the next day. I took the pseudofed PE, the phenolephrine kind, and the next day I felt better. Right. But that's the placebo part of it, right? Like, it probably didn't do anything.
Starting point is 01:23:39 It probably was just you were getting better. Interesting. Yeah. So I have to go to the dark web now to get my fix, right? Or I have to have a dealer. Or you can just go to the pharmacist and ask for it. Oh, you're talking about the phenylophrin. Yeah, you're going to the dark web for that now.
Starting point is 01:23:58 I mean, I assume they're going to, if this goes all the way to whatever the Supreme FDA court or whatever it is, they do. I don't know. going to be probably a lot of um it's it's it's it's going to be tough right because um i think this is like this is like a one point eight one point five it's like a one and a half billion dollars per year thing yeah right um so the fysers Pfizer's not going down without a fight no they're going to fight but spelled Pfizer like fight they're going to fight fight man they're going to be into it. Fightzer. I picture, so this is what I picture and I know I'm wrong. That's why I need clarification. The FDA works like this. They got this little counsel and they make
Starting point is 01:24:43 this recommendation. They all voted unanimously, right? Smart people. Yeah, it was a unanimous vote. Right. And they got to send it upstairs now. What I picture is a guy up there who's ready to go. The penis is evil. Some kind of big overlord guy, right? Someone who just says, it has been voted upon therefore like I don't know how our government works this is what's sad that's what that's what I'm admitting to here is I don't know how any of this freaking stuff works I don't get we need we need a Sean Connery to to to blow a hole in in in the bureaucracy and just make everything safe for that's right that movie if for those who do not know what that is that movie is the weirdest thing you'll if you haven't seen it you have to see it
Starting point is 01:25:30 oh you have to see it and then you'll never not see it in the back of your head for the rest of your life. One time is enough. Yeah. Okay. Now, we've done all that. I have a bug to put in your ear for next time you do science, and you can decide whether you want to do this or not. I love ideas, yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:47 So, what was it? I just had an idea. My brain is so half dead today. This was, I had a rough night of playing Doom too late. What was the deal? I was going to say that I don't remember. Shit. Okay.
Starting point is 01:26:01 when I think of it, I'll let you know. I literally had it right there. I smell toast. What's going on? No, what was it? It was like, it was really good and it was about, oh, I got it. Dreams, nightmares, all that stuff. Okay.
Starting point is 01:26:17 Why is it? Somebody had made a claim on the internet that you never, ever see cell phones in your dreams, like smartphones, which seemed weird to them because people are on them 10 to 12 hours a day or something. you know crazy crazy use cases but at night any part of your dream that you remember for some reason never a cell phone to be seen well since then people have i talked about it on some social stuff and people wrote back and said well i definitely have had those in my dream so it's not like universal that nobody has them in their dream but everyone universally has said those who have said they've had them in their dreams that they're useless and they don't understand them in their dreams
Starting point is 01:26:53 that when they use them they can't read them the interfaces make no sense uh if the dream is about directions, they'll look at their phone, it's just jumbled garble and means nothing to them and it doesn't help them get to where they want to go. If it's text, they can't understand it or comprehend it. That's not, like, all I know is that you're not supposed to be able to read things in your dream. That's what I was going to say. That's a common thing, right, Travis, that you can't, that it's, people often report that you can't read things. I wonder if there's a connection there. I wonder if I could start by looking there and seeing if there's any logic there
Starting point is 01:27:29 because that was the first I'd heard and you guys are right there is a seems to be a common idea out there that you can't read in your dream but I'd never heard of this until like yesterday
Starting point is 01:27:37 so I would love to know why that is and I think you have to make a segment about this I'm just saying if you wanted to we would be all ears on what is that about
Starting point is 01:27:49 a little peek behind the curtain what I do is I start give myself like maybe 20 30 minutes with a topic idea and figure out if it has legs. So that's what I'll, I promise I will, I will check to see if this has legs. And if it does, then it'll run some, I'm trying to continue the legs analogy.
Starting point is 01:28:11 Well, in this, in this business, that is called due diligence. And it is appreciated when a podcaster does their research. Like I try to never do. I try to never do my research, but what Bobby's doing is the correct way to do it. That's why I'm here. I try to do it for you. How to podcast with Bobby. Frankenberger. Well, this is great. We'll look forward to possibly that, but we know lots of great
Starting point is 01:28:34 things coming up in the future. And then tomorrow, you're going to be right here, co-hosting the show while Brian is still away. I look forward to that. Bobby, tell people all about all-around science where they can get it and why they should. Well, when I'm not playing Starfield, I am producing a show called All Around Science. It's a science podcast that we do every week talking about things like this, things that pop up in the news, and then other science-y things that were just interested. I think this week we're going to be talking about the Ig Nobel Prizes that were just announced. Oh, they were, the nominations or the actual prizes? No, they were actually announced and given.
Starting point is 01:29:12 So I'm going to dig through those and find some. There's a lot of them. I'm going to find some fun ones to talk about on the show this week. That'll come out on Monday. And yeah, but that's only if I can manage to step away. I'm building my, I'm getting into outpost building. Oh, outposts are awesome. It's more, it's almost hidden.
Starting point is 01:29:30 That game does a terrible job of encouraging you to do outposts, but once you get your head around them, they're kind of crucial in there. And it's really like all those like base building sims and stuff too, because then you realize, oh, well, I want to build this thing, but there's only these three resources on this planet, and I need this other resource. So now I've got to go to this other planet and mine it. Well, I'm tired of mining it.
Starting point is 01:29:52 why don't I just build an outpost on this other planet I went to also? Yeah. And then it's nuts. It is a little, you can get, I mean, that games, man. What a, what a game. Oh, and I'm, the end goal here is I want to be able to make enough money. I'm trying to build a replica of the serenity to fly around. Oh, nice.
Starting point is 01:30:10 You know, the bay ship is actually kind of reminiscent of that anyway. So it's, that's what made me think of it because of the way the cockpit sticks out over the front. And then the engine in the back is round and everything. I was like, I want to make a real big one. with shielded cargo and stuff like that. You can tell those guys are fans, just the way this game looks. All the stuff.
Starting point is 01:30:29 Travis, you got to play it. Yeah, you got to play it there. I will be. Right now, I'm doing two concurrent Baldersgate three saves. Oh, that's a lot. One is my own personal game and one is one I'm doing on stream. And it's one of the things is great. I'm loving how I can go about things completely differently.
Starting point is 01:30:46 Oh, yeah. No, that game is vastly different. Samboxy as hell. That's one of the great things about it. I'll be getting into Starfield at some point. It's the thing I was going to say about that and I forgot what it was, something about Starfield
Starting point is 01:30:58 and I don't remember. Oh, I know. I've been listening to the music nonstop. The soundtrack is incredible. That game has amazing music. Big sucker for it. Bobby, have a fantastic day because we'll see you tomorrow
Starting point is 01:31:09 and don't eat me broken chicklets or something. All right. None of that made sense. All right. Let's get to what's next here. Oh, Discord changed our server. weird. You can still hear me, right?
Starting point is 01:31:24 Yeah. I moved just to Central. I didn't do that. All right. Let's move on to what's next. And what's next is, oh, that we're almost done. That's the deal. That's where we're at.
Starting point is 01:31:36 I'm a little out of it today, as you can probably tell. Amber sent us an email I wanted to read that says this. This is how you rid your yard of the raccoon problem. Brian talked about the other day. Yeah, he's trying to get rid of raccoons because they're hog and his bird feeder. and he's got that camera and he wants to take pictures of birds and all he's getting is these stupid things. So he says, this is what Amber says.
Starting point is 01:31:58 Yo, all mammals respond to hot peppers the way we do. But birds don't have the same response. With rabbits, sorry, that stripped pine trees and rough roses, I have success puring peppers. Oh, my, making a little sauce here. Especially all the ghost peppers I have left over and any old cayenne pepper. I mix it with egg so it sticks, throw a little guise. garlic in there for good measure, put on a glove and walk around painting my plants with my gloves,
Starting point is 01:32:27 dip a hand in, excuse me, start at the bottom of the plant and stroke up. She wrote he-he on there. I would guess pasting, or sorry, I would guess pasting anything would help. I vacuum seal all the leftover papers, peppers, rather, that I can get a hold of. Let's see, if you want to get fancy, you can let it ferment for a day. My plant is bigger than this for perspective. Oh, she sent me some pictures. I can't show them here, though.
Starting point is 01:32:52 It only takes me 10 minutes to paste it all over this plant. I only had to do it twice this year. So that's a way to do it. Your plants don't care. If you cover your plant and all sorts of fiery pepper sauce, they don't care. But the bugs and the creatures and the mammals going after it, they're not going to like it. So there you go. It should keep them away.
Starting point is 01:33:12 Yeah. Someone in the chat says start at the base of the stem. Oh, Claire does. Oh, because she's being dirty. That's what's going on there. Yes. that's clear um all right that's uh it for your emails uh you can send us an email at the morning stream at gmail.com or you can text us at 8014710462 to to those that i replied to to send you
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Starting point is 01:34:17 at TV Stravis, or search weight you haven't seen in your favorite pod catcher. Who hadn't seen that movie? His name's Matt Stein. Matt Stein must be blown away by what he saw, because that is a weird-ass movie. It is a very weird movie. I'll let you listen to the episode to find out his full thoughts, but needless to say, Sunday morning while hungover, not the best environment to watch the movie in for the first time. So, you know, just give you an idea.
Starting point is 01:34:47 We saw it after FilmSack, and it was a memorable one for sure. It is. That was my first time. Anyway, that's going to do it for today. I got some music, though, to take us out. This is a request. Brian popped this over to me before he took off. And this is a cover that I'll talk about in the second way.
Starting point is 01:35:04 First, here's the request. This is from Amanda. Hello, Scott and Brian. This Friday is my boyfriend, Brandon. And it's five-year anniversary. Oh, Brandon and I's. It's a weird way to writing that. I see, my boyfriend Brandon and I.
Starting point is 01:35:19 Yeah, the way that's written is weird. Anyway, and I'd love it if you could play something for it the day before on Thursday. Well, we're doing it today. We met in Southern California while I was working in Disneyland, and we now live in Nashville, Tennessee, with our dog Oliver and our cat, Sophie. I love Brandon very much, so do we. And I don't know where I'd be without him. Well, this is nice.
Starting point is 01:35:39 I'd love you for to play, or love for you to play, Lover, a cover by Taylor Swift. if there is one, as I consider that our song. But Brandon and I haven't actually talked about that very much. Thank you very much for all you guys do. We enjoy listening to TMS Skim and Filmsack together and separately. Oh, and is it too early to get a fish sandwich? The answer is never too early. Hey, it's too early get a fish sandwich.
Starting point is 01:36:03 There you go. You got one now. Love the show, though, Amanda. Well, Amanda, we have exactly that. We have a cover of Lover originally by Taylor Swift. This is covered by Stories, featuring. Royal Wood. I don't know these people, but I'm sure they're good.
Starting point is 01:36:20 Brian probably laugh at me. They're probably more popular than I know. I just don't know who these people are. Anyway, so we're going to play that now. That's going to do it for us. Come back tomorrow for more, won't you? We'll see you then. We could leave the Christmas lights up till January This is our place we make the rules And there's a dazzling haze a mysterious way about you dear
Starting point is 01:37:10 Have I known you twenty seconds? seconds of 20 years. Can I go where you go? Can we always be this close forever and I take me home? Take me home. Your mind. Your mind. lover we can let us we can let our friends crash in the living room this is our place
Starting point is 01:38:09 we make the call suspicious that everyone who sees you wants you I've loved your three summers now honey but I want them all can I go where you go can we always be this close forever and ever in high take me home take me home you're my high lover ladies and gentlemen will you please stand with every guitar string scar on my hand I'll be this magnatic force of a man to be Your lover My heart's been borrowed and yours has been blue All's well that ends well to end up with you Swear to be on the dramatic and true to mine
Starting point is 01:39:26 Lover and you're saying All your dirtiest jokes for me And at every table lover can I go where you go Can we always be this close Forever and ever and I take me out take me home You're my Oh, you're mine
Starting point is 01:40:18 Darwin, you're my lover. Get more at frogpants. Oh, you're not going to make me wear a rubber, are you? Oh, that's a good time.

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