The Morning Stream - TMS 2525: Nothing Flopped Out

Episode Date: September 19, 2023

I don't like the Big Bang Theoreeeeeeeee. Having to put up with nice people. He Talks Too Much and Cuts...Grass. Barfinal. Puke, Punch, & Run! Hello! I'm Joe Social! Splitting the Juniper. Singula...rity to Sitcom: the Big Bang Story. Making Fun At You. Oh, it gets worse. Right Back Into The Carafe. Famous Jeff. It's All Generic With Dan and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:23 Singularity to sitcom, the Big Bang story. Making fun at you. Oh, it gets worse. Right back into the carav. Famous Jeff. It's all generic with Dan and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Safety belts. John B don't want him.
Starting point is 00:00:39 John B don't need him. And John B never uses him. The real kind, not the diet shit. The Morning Stream. Sometimes I can and sometimes I can. Gives a damn. Hello, everyone. Welcome to TMS.
Starting point is 00:01:07 It is the morning stream for September 19th, 2020. I'm Scott Johnson, and I am joined today by guest host Bobby Frankenberger. Hello, Bobby. Hello, Scott. And we're also joined by the guy who mows my lawn. He's decided to join us right outside my office. Oh, my. Right when we started it.
Starting point is 00:01:24 What an honor? Do you know his name, by the way? What's this guy's name? His name is also Bobby. Oh, no way. That's cool. I guess it's cool. Is he, I don't know, is he nice? Is he do a good job? You get all the edges right? He's perfect for us because, you know what he does?
Starting point is 00:01:42 So we switched along guys at one point, and the last guy we had was super friendly, really nice. He would always do really, you know, he would do extra stuff, and he'd come and knock on the door and tell me, oh, you know, you've got to just be careful with the kids. There's a, I saw a yellow jacket nest underneath this, and I'm like, okay, cool. That's really thoughtful, yeah. It's nice. Yeah. I like that.
Starting point is 00:02:02 But he's always knocking on the door and having things to tell us. But I don't like talking to people, right? So the great thing about this new guy, and we didn't like fire the other guy because he was too friendly. We're willing to put up with people who are being really nice and friendly, of course. But he had to stop, and he recommended this guy. And so this guy starts doing our grass. And I've, in all the year he's been cutting our grass, I've talked to this guy like, like once. He didn't even, like, when he first started cutting our grass, knock on the door and say hello.
Starting point is 00:02:43 And some people might say, like, well, that seems weird. And, you know, he didn't even introduce himself when he started, I don't care. Yeah, he's just there to cut the lawn. I don't need you to knock on my door and talk to me. Just cut the grass. And this isn't like me being a jerk kind of. I'm not doing this in a jerk way. It's just, I don't, I, you know, I just, I, I'm happy for you to help and, um, I, and, and, and I'm happy to pay you for the work and, um, I just, you know, I'm not good.
Starting point is 00:03:10 No, the transaction is done. You've made the decision to have him come do the thing. He gets to come do the thing. There's no need for any more ceremony around the thing. Just mow the thing. If he does come to the door and say, hey, watch out there yellow jackets. Oh, no, that's a cool, appreciated thing. But that's not a, that's not a two hour conversation over. cheese and wine, right? I'm with you. Why is it the podcaster? I know what the answer is, but I'm going to ask the question that I'll answer it. Why do podcasters generally in their off-air life, and I assume this is true for a lot of radio people, I don't know. I don't want to make up things for people. But it seems like me and a lot of people I know when we're done, we don't want to talk to anybody anymore. Like I don't want to be all social. I want to talk to
Starting point is 00:03:53 my wife. I want to talk to my kids. All that's great. No problem there. That's not part of the problem but if you are like hey i thought i'd come over and visit i just go ugh no don't come over you're not you're not one of those like drop in people like that you like people just drop it in and hanging out for an hour and i don't like doing it to anyone else either i don't like drop it yeah so i don't know i think um i think i think i think you and i are the same similar in that in that uh in that we're so so you've you've talked about how you pride yourself in being the same person on air is off right I try to be yeah I try to be but in but I think that's it's and I'm I'm the same way but I
Starting point is 00:04:34 think it's different in our energies are a little different we're we're a little like I'm a pretty socially anxious person but it's like how I've heard I knew someone who is a who is a mascot and they were very they had they didn't like being on stage they were they had stage fright they didn't like they don't want to do any of that but they love doing mascot thing because they were a different oh like it was not them you know right because you're you're literally hidden sort of I mean you're you're out there but you're not really out there's like being a v-tuber or something you're you don't really have to be who you are you can be something else and so
Starting point is 00:05:14 any judgments that come your way will always be at a baseline misdirected because they don't know who's in the suit and and maybe that's an imperfect analogy to our situation because we are the same people that we are, but it's just, there's some kind of, there's some kind of distance that the podcasting allows that makes me able to be more myself when I'm here than, then in a big social setting where I'm kind of like, uh, on edge a little bit, what's going to happen is, am I going to say something stupid and this person's going to think like I'm an idiot? And, you know, I don't know. It's another thing I recommend. I've probably talked about this before. I don't know if I am.
Starting point is 00:05:55 If you're trying to feel comfortable in massive social situations, get on stage in front of 28,000 people because what happens when you do that, you think it's going to be your ultimate nightmare. You think that, oh my gosh, everyone looking at me, me looking at everyone, expectations couldn't be higher, all that stuff. That was what I felt like going in. But after that gig, I realized it was like talking to no one. it was like when it's so many people it's no many people it's like sure it's just not it's not a big deal like if you said to me scott i need you just get up and do uh 45 minutes in front of 10 people that sounds like a nightmare absolutely and i've i've done that before i've done little like um like talks and and and little seminars and stuff like that like i used to we used to do
Starting point is 00:06:51 them every year at multiples in at gencon every year when i had the other the shadowcasters network and we would teach people about streaming we would teach people about playing RPGs and all this kind of stuff um and that was always you know like 20 40 50 people and that was uh oh that was rough yeah that can be uh yeah it's it's it's i don't like that but i can do give me 500 i'm good anything more than like 500 a thousand it's like i can see that because when i i used to act on stage all the time time and I loved that and I was always nervous going up to it but that's a common experience everybody has like really you know a lot of people have nerves going up to it but um as soon as
Starting point is 00:07:35 as soon as the it started it was like a different world it was like oh all these people are out here but they're nothing to me it was like you could it was like a wall a mural of of heads painted in seats yeah it may as well be real may as well be an empty room for for all it mattered like it's a weird thing it's a very funky thing if if you don't experience it yourself it's kind of hard to describe um i also i don't like uh well okay let me put it this way like if kim says hey we're hanging out with the jensen's this weekend which is not a person we're just i'm making them up but like hey we're going to dinner with the jensens we're going to go and then we're going back we're going to watch a movie and i just kind of go oh really because wouldn't we rather just do that
Starting point is 00:08:18 ourselves like i'll take you out we'll go somewhere nice and then we can go home and we'll watch a movie and i don't really want to be here but then when i get it in there, it's fine. Yeah, I switch kicks and I'm like, all right, I am Joe social for the next five hours and it's great and we have a good time and everyone had a fun time and I go home. And then, but it doesn't matter. I don't go home and go, well, that was no big deal. Now I will be more social every weekend with everyone.
Starting point is 00:08:42 Instead, it's like, no, I don't want to do this. Can we not do that again? Oh, we are doing that again? Okay. And then I, then the switch happens again and it's fine. Is this just every, this is probably everyone. This is just everyone. Maybe.
Starting point is 00:08:53 Maybe. I'm a weird combination also, because a lot of people who have been to Vegas and see me, for example, might be thinking, that's weird. Bobby seems fine and social and has a great time there. And I'm a weird combination. I'm very socially anxious, but I'm also an extrovert. So I get a lot of energy from being in those situations, but I dread it leading up to it. Yeah, right? Even small things and big, all of that kind of stuff I'm always.
Starting point is 00:09:23 anxious leading up to it. And it's right until I get there. Even when we have things with friends, there's our daughters, we're friends with some of my daughter's friends in school. So we'll go have dinner with them. And the last time we got together, I was like, okay, Stephanie, my wife, Stephanie, I was like, Stephanie, okay, so this time when we get together, we need to make sure, last time I think we talked too much. And so like we talked too much about ourselves. And all they did is sit there and listen to us, tell stories about when we were in high school. So we need not do that this time. Let's let them talk. Let's try not to talk too much. Can we have a signal for if you think I'm talking to? You know, like, yeah, yeah. No, you think it out too much
Starting point is 00:10:03 much. But then when you get into it, you just melt into whatever it is. Yeah, exactly. But our brains are weird. We have too much anticipation. I've decided this is why, this is why everyone, not everyone, but a lot of people I know drink. This is how they deal with it. You know, they have these social situations. And yeah, and they drink while they do the thing. And it's much easier going down and I don't drink so when I go to these things I just like raw dogging it for lack of a better term and that is the definition of lack of a better term right like if you if I could ever have a term that was lacking for a better use term that's the term probably right there but it feels like that got every year Scott's raw dogging it in Vegas yeah let's get that rumor going let's get
Starting point is 00:10:46 that out there um well all right I got a thing this bring up And did I thank you for being here? I think I did. Bobby's here. Yeah, it's okay. Yeah, Bobby's here. We're making a show. It's going to be a good time. Brian will be back tomorrow. His final day in Vegas today, and it sounds like they had fun. I saw some video from yesterday's. I saw some pictures on threads. Yeah, up on threads. He's got it. He went to a spice girl's cover band thing.
Starting point is 00:11:15 Yeah, I saw those pictures. I saw, he was posting stuff, and so was Tanner. Yeah, Tanner Goodman. Barry, Barry's out there doing it. And anyway, they got some great video and some other stuff. So it looks like they're having a great time. And we're not, as best I can tell from here, no one said anything, but I don't think they've been adversely affected by the hack on the MGM's properties because they didn't stay at one, which probably helped.
Starting point is 00:11:40 So anyway, they'll come home safe and he'll be back on tomorrow. So I went to a soccer game last night, Monday nights for soccer games. This is where Van plays soccer. He loves it. He's not really there to be competitive or make goals. He is there to kind of herd the other kids. And if somebody falls down to rush over and help them up, even if they're on the other team, even if they're not hurt, because that's just what he is. That's the kid he is and that's what you get. He's not going to score 50 goals. He's not there to blow everybody's mind and go into international soccer one day. His job is to smile and goof around and high five
Starting point is 00:12:20 everybody and like the other team more than his own team this sort of stuff right this is what you do when you're for so i'm watching this go down and he's doing great and he's having fun and two of his friends are now in his same school so now they're even you know they get this connection now and they're playing soccer together and all this stuff's going on and we're enjoying that and then i noticed something we have our coach this young fit probably 29 30 year old dude uh just you know run around doing he's great with the kids just great we like this guy he's doing his thing on the other side we got a guy who seemed maybe a little bit younger than him but uh i wouldn't say this is terrible the way i'm
Starting point is 00:13:03 saying this this doesn't actually even matter to the story that i'm saying it this way but let's just say he wasn't in the same shape so it was a lot of like huffing and puffing and slowing down and grabbing his knees and you know this sort of thing like i would be if i was out there probably and uh or at least how i would feel anyway this guy's running around and and they're doing their thing And at one point, he comes over near the end of the field where we are, and he reaches down, bends over to pick up this ball. And as he does so, I watch his cargo shorts go, big old tear, crotch to back, and, you know, whitey-tiedies underneath.
Starting point is 00:13:42 And this happens in real, I see it happen in real time. I don't hear the sound or anything, but I see it. And then I was faced with a conundrum. question that I didn't act on. That's why I saved it for today's show. So you can tell me from an ethical standpoint, Bobby, how you would react. Yes. Okay.
Starting point is 00:13:58 What do you do? Do you say, hey, and other people saw it. I'm not the only one, right? Do you say to this guy, hey, you split your juniper there. You got a little splity split going on there. Or do you just let it go and not worry about it? And who cares? And I thought, well, if it was me, I would probably want to at least know that I did it.
Starting point is 00:14:20 But do I want some complete stranger coming up and telling me that I just split my pants? Probably not. So I'd left without talking to the guy. But should I have said, hey, you got a little, you know, you got a little problem down there. So you got a, you got a sort of like, like reason this out and think about all the possibilities, right? Let me begin by saying that what I would do is say nothing because we just established that I am a very socially anxious person. yeah but but if you think about it like what should you do right um so so so both so eventually he's going to find out yeah he's going to go home and he's going to go what when did this happen oh man or
Starting point is 00:15:05 whatever or maybe his wife or somebody else thought and just hadn't maybe she even told him i don't know i mean i don't know how this all went down and maybe he just didn't care someone in the chat says how bad was the split it was pretty bad it was like and brian also says what i was thinking too Brian Nibitz in the chat. He said that I'm sure he knew he split it. Like, that's kind of what I thought. But let's assume that he didn't. Because that's what you want to know, right?
Starting point is 00:15:29 Let's assume he... Well, wouldn't you... You should have had some reaction, okay? So here, I'll let me give you a full vision of how this looked. Okay. So he's standing out there and he's going, you go over here, and then he leans over, grabs the ball, like that, like that, stands up and goes, all right, you, okay, no, no, no, you're over here.
Starting point is 00:15:47 Don't get on this side. All right, you're kicking. Like, he didn't. seem to notice. There was no indication, like no, no flinch. No. Not that I know, not that I can tell. It's like, like, you couldn't detect any brief moment where he thought, oh, split my pants. You'd think that if you felt it, you would make some sort of indication like, oh, I'll stand up a little bit or whatever. He didn't do any of that. Now, I'm not saying that he didn't, and he's just really adept at this totally possible. I don't know. But he was real sweaty and into it and like,
Starting point is 00:16:15 maybe just didn't know. So now this thing, because, he's running around in it you know it's basically a third pant leg on this guy right and i just felt bad for him and we're still got like a quarter of the game left like fourth quarter to go but what the time has happened and uh and they just played it out and then gathered up all the stuff he bent over five or six more times that's why i also don't think he knew because he just nothing nothing came out or anything there was anything no no no no nothing flopped out nothing got weird in that regard. But I just, it seemed clear to me that he didn't know. And if he didn't know, did I have some responsibility as a passive observer to notice the split and go, dude, just so you know, you got your,
Starting point is 00:17:00 if this is a friend I would have, or family member, I would have said, I would have pulled in a set, said, hey, Hank, sorry, dude. I know, you know, I know you're feeling pretty good over there, but you got a big old, you got a big old hole on your butt, you know, I don't know. Anyway, go ahead. What are you going to say? What I think about in situations like this, is what, what is, what benefit is going to occur from me intervening, right? Oh, interesting. Well, who will, who is this going to help or what will this do at all? Is that what you're saying?
Starting point is 00:17:29 Yeah, what are the consequences of me intervening versus the consequences of me not? So if I don't do anything, if I just sit there, then he goes, chances are he goes on the whole, because he's been going on the whole time without noticing. He's going to get home. He's going to be like, oh, my, was this happening the whole time? And it's already passed by the time he realizes it. And so, no, so like, I'm assuming he doesn't, if he, the best situation is you tell him, he happens to have a spare pair of shorts or pants with him.
Starting point is 00:17:59 Yeah. And he changes and he's grateful. But that's probably not the case, right? Yeah. So, am I actually making it worse for him? Let's say he's unaware. Okay, well, let's go with that assumption that he doesn't know that he's done it. me informing him of it is just putting him in a really bad position
Starting point is 00:18:16 because he's still the coach and the way these coaches work with four year old you're out to hurt him like cats you're in the field like you're not on the side his his his head needs to be in the game not in his shorts right right but maybe you grab like a like a hoodie and wrap it around his waist and you know I don't know but you said it wasn't it wasn't like obscene or anything no it was just obvious every any time he even when he was standing up you could see it but when he would do And he kind of lean over it. And there's a lot of that going on when you got four-year-olds and balls going places.
Starting point is 00:18:46 And you got to grab these kittens and move him back into the field. And, you know, he's never at his, he's never standing up straight, really. As long as he's not having to move his balls back into the field, I think you're good. I see. I see what you did. All right. Well, I don't feel bad about it because, you know, whatever. People split their pants all the time.
Starting point is 00:19:04 And if he was in mortal danger, I would have stepped in. But he wasn't. The danger you risk about telling him. is that he now gets to be not just embarrassed when he gets home, but embarrassed the entire time. Maybe he's so embarrassed that he abandons those poor kids. Oh, man, think of that. I didn't think of that.
Starting point is 00:19:26 You know what? You're right. Let him have the embarrassment later when he realizes what's happened. Embarrassment is coming either way. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So you might as well let the kids have their game. And the kids didn't care.
Starting point is 00:19:40 They didn't know. They had no idea. they barely know where they are or what they're doing. So, right. This is, I feel better about things. Think of the children like biocustics. Always think of the children. Always think of the kids.
Starting point is 00:19:52 I also got a text last night in anticipation of your guest hosting duties here today. Oh, great. This is from Keene, I guess you would say it. K-E-E-Y-N. Is that how you'd say that name? I don't know. It's probably, maybe it's Welsh and it's actually pronounced like coffee or something. Kaya, those guys, the Welsh man.
Starting point is 00:20:09 maybe Key in i don't know anyway hey scott i hear bobby will be on the show with you today can you ask him about the big bang thanks love the show though kean so this is like saying hey i heard you're going to have i don't know name anybody and then saying can you please have them talk about one of the most complicated theories slash concept slash scientific truths of all time like do you know what i'm saying or like just ask him about something like
Starting point is 00:20:39 hey I heard you're going to have Tom on the show could you ask him about cell phones okay it's just such a generalized question can you ask about the one can you talk about the big bang maybe he meant the big bang theory the television show maybe that's what he means yeah maybe
Starting point is 00:20:57 you just well I'll tell you what you don't want to hear me talk about that because I'll make people mad because I don't I hate that show I can't stand that show I can't okay maybe I won't make people mad then let me make them mad let me just say that that show panders to nerds in a way that I am not comfortable with.
Starting point is 00:21:13 I don't even think it panders to nerds. I think it panders to people who who aren't nerds who think they know it. Like every joke, I'm almost offended by all the jokes on that show. Yeah, no, if I find it to be what's the word?
Starting point is 00:21:32 Like, just because they know certain references doesn't give them carte blanche to make it seem like nerds are the worst people. ever or whatever and look i like penny all right she's lovely i like uh some of these actors are fine you know whatever they can do cool stuff they've done other cool things since this i just think that show is for people you know what it's like watching a it's like watching a hospital show for us we watch that and we don't think about all the stuff they get wrong or police procedural or law and order or whatever, they're so like dumbed down for general public than if you're
Starting point is 00:22:10 an actual public prosecutor or defender or if you're an actual cop or if you're an actual whatever doctor, you see these things. You just kind of eye roll for 45 minutes every week. That's what I think this is like. And if you truly are hardcore comic book reader, you love your 40K figurines, you're super into whatever nerdy pursuit you're into and you watch that show, they're making fun at you, not with you, I don't think. Right, right, right. Or fun of you is what I meant to say, not at you. I'm making fun at you.
Starting point is 00:22:42 Yeah, I mean, at you, I think is fine because I never felt like I was being made fun of exactly. Like I exaggerate when I said I was feeling offended. But it's just every time I watched the show, I was like, I didn't feel, I definitely didn't relate to any of the characters on that show. I think that's part of it. Like someone in the chat says, well, I like the IT crowd. and I work in IT, and I love that show. No, ITCrow gets it right. ITCrow doesn't focus on getting the tech wrong,
Starting point is 00:23:13 or they don't screw the tech up all the time. They don't care about the tech. They care about characters and what those characters do when they interact with each other. That's different than they don't just go, we're nerds, look at us. Here's a nerdy thing. Ever heard of Windows?
Starting point is 00:23:28 Hey, that's software. That's nerdy. Like, that's not the referential humor on IT crowd. Or a number of, any other number of places or comedies or even dramas that get that stuff right. Where they get it wrong, it's like, what's it like? It's like, I don't know, Sheldon going off about the Green Lantern or some shit. And it's just something about the way they do it. And it also felt like there is a shot clock on nerd jokes every episode.
Starting point is 00:23:54 Like, you know, like, you got to go, can't go more than 25 seconds without a, without a poking fun at nerds punchline. Yeah. Someone in the chat says low-hanging fruit. I agree. That's what it was. It just felt like a bunch of non-nerdy people writing. I don't know. It just, and I know that that's not true because I know, and every time I complain about it with people who are fans of the show, they give plenty of examples of how the show probably is good and they think it's great and everything. It just never clicked with me. I never got past like the first season as all it is. Every time people are giving me examples of how it's great, it's. always like, well, in season 35, I know it's not that many, but I'm like, man, I don't have, I didn't have the patience to get past the first season, so I'm not connected. I'm not, like they did not draw me in. No, no. That's a, it's a bummer. To all those who love the show and binge it fortnightly, I am, I am not saying anything negative your direction. I'm not, but the real big bang was pretty cool. Yeah, that was cool, right? It was a big old bang and I did some stuff. It's still just, so we can't, uh,
Starting point is 00:25:03 Like a lot of science, things get the theory tag for a long time because they're hard to prove, right? Or they're hard to definitively prove. If you want to actually talk about science, we have to get our terminology correct. Theories are pretty robust. A theory is something that is developed after lots of evidence has been collected and formed into the theory. Gravity is a theory. The theory of gravity, okay? Oh, I thought that would be law by now.
Starting point is 00:25:28 Don't we just, I mean, I can drop a thing. Well, a law and a theory are not necessarily distinct. A law is a law is a description, like a sort of a mathematical description about how the world works, how the universe works, right? Yeah. So there's a law of thermodynamics, which is just like a mathematical description of how energy exchanges and stuff like that, right? Right. But a theory is after, so you collect a bunch of data. after you make a bunch of observations about how something works and then or how something happened
Starting point is 00:26:07 and after enough evidence has has has been collected and after enough um attempts at describing something have been made then you can collect all of that into a theory and the theory is like one of the strongest like it's a very strong as long as the theory stands the test of time It's a strong collection of ways of describing how something works. So when somebody says, somebody says to you, well, that defies the laws of physics. When you say, why, like, why isn't gravity considered a law of physics? Well, there's a law of gravity. It's, but it's the mathematical descriptions.
Starting point is 00:26:49 It's a collection of mathematical descriptions about how gravity works. Okay. The theory of gravity is more like a description. of why it exists and how... Why it exists in the first place and why it even... It's not so much... Yeah, it's more like how it works rather than a description of what's happening.
Starting point is 00:27:09 That may be a better way to put it. A law is a description of what's happening very detailed and mathematical usually. Whereas a theory is an attempt at explaining how it works. Well, all we know for sure is this thing blew up there, you know and it was real hot and stuff and then expanded and then uh and then we got the show the comedy show it started as a singularity yeah this is the cool thing about the big bang is that everything started as an infinitesimally small point there's no there's no time there
Starting point is 00:27:45 is no mass there was no gravity none of the fundamental forces existed this is and but what how is that possible nobody's really nobody nobody knows that's People are trying to figure out. That's why they're building these big long telescopes and throwing them into space and trying to look back in time to as far back as they can. You know what? I learned something about string theory yesterday. Do you want to know what I learned?
Starting point is 00:28:06 Because I always just... I always want to know what you're learning. I had it all wrong. I thought, well, I still don't have it all right. But I thought string theory was this idea that there was like all this interconnected stuff, like the universe is a bunch of interconnected dimensions. And that you could jump, you know, the idea is you could jump from one. dimension. This is what I thought. This is not what it is. Sure. Sure, sure, sure. But then I watched
Starting point is 00:28:28 the guy describe it and he says, if you back up a bit with your camera and I hold this, this piece of string, you're seeing a two-dimensional line. You're seeing a line. Yeah. But if you get closer to it, then you use this 3D photography stuff to do it. But you get closer to that string and you realize it's sort of cylindrical. And if you got really tight to it, I mean, you could camera pan around the edges of the cylindrical, you know, long. tube and it's got grooves and dense and and protrusions and and all this stuff and if you were a small ant you can crawl around the ring of the thing sure you're no longer seeing it as this long line you're seeing it as lots and lots of little
Starting point is 00:29:11 microspaces that you could call a dimension of this string and it blew my mind I went I listened to that for about a half an hour and was just like I'd never thought of it any of this this way no one's described it before I guess and none my teachers are this cool. So this seems like a pretty interesting, that seems like a general description of how, how dimensions can, dimensionality can be different based on your perspective and, and your ability to perceive. To perceive it.
Starting point is 00:29:40 Yeah. Which is this whole point because he's like, well, we can't see, we can't see, you know, we can only see so far in or down or out, you know, like whatever your dimension you're aiming for, you can only see so far. with where we're at today but it's also a lot we're looking at things much closer and deeper than we ever have
Starting point is 00:30:01 and so we are getting we're getting better and better at seeing it but the idea that there's there are underlying dimensions and dimension how do you put it? Dimensionality he used a word I don't remember the word
Starting point is 00:30:16 to everything around us that we just cannot we just don't have the ability to receive them any more than like the aunt who's crawling around he may have this great perception of the roundness of this thing up close going in a circle in its circumference but it has no concept of the length of this line whereas other perspectives are all you see is the length of the of the line and you'll never see you know what the answer is
Starting point is 00:30:40 that's the cool thing that's the cool thing about studying physics and in a broader sense studying like advanced math is that you start to realize that really the way we we think we understand everything and we think that this is the way it is and it's always the way it is you know addition subtraction multiplication you know algebra it's really a very narrow way of looking at how how to perceive everything and um and and even even simple geometry like like if you we think for example a square is made up of four right angles right right and a triangle is made up of three angles that have to be less than 90 degrees right because they can't be right, like, together.
Starting point is 00:31:25 You can have, anyway, the point is, like, you can't make three 90-degree turns and then have a triangle, except for if you're on a curved surface. That's so interesting. Like, if you're on the surface of the earth, you can start at the equator, walk straight north to the north pole, right? Then make a 90-degree turn,
Starting point is 00:31:47 and then you'll be back at the equator, and then make another 90-degree turn, and you'll be back where you started. That was three 90-degree turns, and you just made a triangle, right? That's crazy. But that's just a simple example of understanding how, like, really, it's just math and any of our understanding of all of these things. They're just imperfect ways of describing the world and their tools that are used to describe our experiences, and they only are useful insofar as they are useful, if that makes sense.
Starting point is 00:32:17 Right. Right. And right now, I feel like we should both be smoking weed talking about this. That's what I think should be going on. Yeah, man. Yeah. Not that we are, YouTube. We're not. Look, nothing. It's not even legal here. Well, it's not legal where you live either. No. Right? No weed. We're weed-free zone. All right. I also got one more thing. Does a listener call, and I want to play it because it's just, I feel like this person is willing to share their embarrassment. So why wouldn't we air it? Okay. They intend for this to go on the air. This was in response to a news story we did about the Delta flight where the guy pooped up and down the aisle in the Delta flight.
Starting point is 00:32:53 It was awful. Oh, yeah. Anyway, this guy's experience is not great either. So here. This is a glitch. And I wanted to share my horrible airplane story. I threw up on a businessman in first class as soon as we boarded the plane. So they had everyone, all the early people come in.
Starting point is 00:33:13 I got up. Just barfed all over the guy. threw my CD player at the captain and then ran off the plane. I hope you enjoy. Bye. Through a CD player at the captain. That's incredible. He didn't say, it sounds like he was probably young, like maybe a 10 or 12-year-old or something.
Starting point is 00:33:33 I don't know. I don't know what adult male, man or woman, would throw their CD player at the pilot to distract them from what they had just done to this poor businessman. It's pretty funny, though. People do weird things when they're embarrassed. Um, I had a, I have a friend, it's also a barfing story. Oh. I have a friend who is, who got, uh, who got, um, got really drunk at a bar.
Starting point is 00:33:57 Yeah. And, uh, and they went to, you know, they're starting to feel pretty nauseous, uh, because they had been drinking too much. So went to the bathroom to, to take care of that. You go into the, you don't want to do that in the urinal. You go into the, to the toilet. Oh, hold on. This is a good clarification. I'll remember this.
Starting point is 00:34:13 This is important. Yeah. Just so you know, don't barf in the urinal. Sure. it's not good for you or anyone else it's not shaped in a it's going to come right back at you i bet like this splash nothing about nan nothing about a urinal is designed for the barfing you go to a barfinal or whatever vomit vomatorium or something else don't do it there so he goes into the bathroom it's you know sometimes when you're off rushing off to the bathroom to to hork it's it's you got no time you got to get
Starting point is 00:34:41 there right yeah you got to hurry up so he's running off especially if you're out of bar you're not trying to spend time hanging out of the toilet in a bar hanging when you're with your friend. So you're waiting until the last second. Like, I don't have any other choice. I can name a thousand places I would rather be than a bar room toilet. Yeah, those are the worst toilets. So, so, so waits to the last second. He's running into the bathroom.
Starting point is 00:35:06 He throws open the door, finds the closest stall, throws open the stall door, and then just as soon as he gets the door open, you just, it just spew comes out of his mouth. There's a guy in there, isn't there? so immediately he sees that there's someone sitting on the toilet oh my gosh darns all over this guy who is sitting on the toilet it gets worse his reaction to that is not to run away well it is to run away but first he punches the guy in the face and then runs out of the bar but I just that poor guy oh my gosh dude see that's a little like the CD player maybe it's a desperate thing you do
Starting point is 00:35:50 yeah you know you're like I don't know what else to do I've just done the worst thing to another person I'll punch him I throw the CD player at him I'll smack it take a shoe off and hit him in the head like I don't know maybe this is all making sense now I just want to find that guy and just like he's he's telling this his version of the story on another podcast right now like oh I was just minding my own business some dude throws open the door pukes on me and then decks me and then he leaves that guy'll never forget it he'll never forget this experience and either of them will ever forget it but the one who was the recipient that'll live for you you'll never shake it that's what a gift oh it's a truly
Starting point is 00:36:32 a great gift a spiritual physical gift like none other yeah good lord uh all right well we're going to do some quick news and uh get prepared for the break where we're going to do some other fun stuff. And let's start that with this. Today's news is brought to you by a show called All Around Science. Hey, Bob, you might be familiar with that show. Why don't you tell people about it real quick and where it is? I have heard about this show All Around Science. I hear that if you're even remotely interested in science, if you just think science is cool, maybe you have a cocktail party interest in science, then All Around Science is perfect for you because that's what it is. It's two hosts myself and my co-hosts
Starting point is 00:37:11 Mora, who aren't science experts. We just love science. We're not scientists. We're just enthusiasts. And we just get on there and talk about the things that we're interested in science news and what we just think is cool about science. And try to explain it as simply as possible to other people so that you can also be excited about how science is always changing and cool things are happening in science all the time. So all around science, just go listen to it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:37 Give it your all. Get in there. put it in your ears play it you know how this works i don't have to explain this to people oh i'm so happy by the way to report something and they'll hear it when i say it uh the google problems google podcast is a janky directory it's a pain to work with um i hope they improve i don't know what their plans are but there are enough of you who listen via google podcast which should be honestly it should be a massive force in the podcast world there's no reason that spotify apple and everybody else just completely destroys them google has the wherewithal to be
Starting point is 00:38:09 a go-to location for podcasting, but their stuff sucks. Anyway, long and the short of it, those who like using it, and I'm not disparaging you. Good news. All the feeds are working again with Google Podcasts, including this one. But there was a couple of days there where things were a little off the wacko, but I worked it out. Mostly through robots and very little interaction with human beings. I figured it out and worked it out. Anyway, let's move to this story here. Afinition man was pissed off with Tesla. So he blew his up. He blew up his Tesla.
Starting point is 00:38:45 Boy, he finished that transaction. Get it, finish that transaction. I'm going to show video this. This is the privilege at its height. It is a pretty privilege thing to do. So he's annoyed with the company. Oh, geez, look at that. Okay, so Chad, this is the video.
Starting point is 00:39:03 You can see all the bomb stuff strapped to it. I think that's just dynamite. I don't actually know. is up in some mountain in Finland with all the snow and stuff, describing it for audio listeners. I'm going to hit play. Let me see. Can I get audio out of it? Let me see if it's got sound. I don't know. Okay, let's try. There we go. Wow. It was like a Mythbusters thing. Yeah. Oh, they're all laughing. Whoa, there is again. Jeez. I don't know, man. Like, if you got the money for a Tesla and I know maybe you're annoyed they don't get into it well do they
Starting point is 00:39:46 maybe they get into it they don't they don't say why he's mad at Tesla he's just mad maybe he's mad about Twitter maybe he's mad at Elon Musk for some other reason maybe maybe he found out his wife had three kids with Musk without telling anyone I don't know you never know these days but he didn't he didn't say but I guess if you got the money I don't know they're worse things to blow up I guess Bobby I don't know I don't know. I would have loved that Tesla. If you're so mad with it, you could have given it.
Starting point is 00:40:14 Yeah, send it to us. We could use that Tesla. They're nice. They're decent. What I really want is we were talking about electrics yesterday. Kim and I on the phone. She's still in Mississippi. She gets home tonight.
Starting point is 00:40:26 You'd probably tell. I'm just so ready for her to come home. Anyway, we were talking about, you know, electrics. And if we ever did an electric car, what would it be? And I'm leaning, like, none of my choice. are Teslas right now. They're all like the ionic thing from who's making that? Is that
Starting point is 00:40:45 Hyundai? I'll get a Tesla. I'd be happy to get a Tesla. Well, I'd be happy if someone handed me one. Well, yeah. I mean, I wouldn't be happy. They're expensive. Yeah. But if money were less of an issue, then I'd be happy to have a Tesla.
Starting point is 00:41:03 They're pretty cool cars. Yeah, my brother-in-law just got one. It's real nice. Yeah. My sister hates the um the doors that lift up like the Lamborghini style side doors things yeah she hates those so bad every time i talk to her hey how's the car oh it's great but i hate those doors and i don't know why she hates them i think she thinks it makes her feel weird in a parking lot she'll open those up and get stairs and looks and she doesn't like that yeah that might that might take me some time to get over um because because i might feel like a a douche you know opening up my my my crazy
Starting point is 00:41:39 uplifting. There's a term for those. Something like wings or something? Oh, yeah, I don't know what you call this. Although I did see somebody accidentally pop them while I was driving in a Tesla and took a corner and didn't know they were out and they kind of stick out and this higher, taller bus came by.
Starting point is 00:41:57 This may have been in Europe where they have a lot of tall buses. I don't remember, but it just grinded that thing right off. Oh, my God. It was really bad. And they claimed that it did a... Goal wing doors. That was called, okay. everyone in the chat he he claims the guy in the video claims that the they went they popped on their own
Starting point is 00:42:14 and that the malfunctioned and the doors open and shouldn't have opened and anyway i don't know that's all true or not but i'm tempted like on the electric front i'm not that worried about like i don't i don't want to road trip the country in one that isn't the idea the idea for me is like we use so much running around around town with our car now i would love to be able to do that without you know in a car that doesn't use gas. So let's do like the Nissan Leaf or some shit. You know? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:43 I don't need what the shit. The newer Chevy Volt are supposed to be pretty good. Or Bolt. Volt. Bolt. Whatever it is. Um, and then the other one that I,
Starting point is 00:42:52 that looks interesting is what did I say? Oh, the new Volkswagen thing. I think a leaf though. I'd lean leaf. Or you know what? Honda? Give me a pure electric,
Starting point is 00:43:03 uh, Civic. I'd drive this shit out of that. Those are my favorite cars. I had a Civic for 20 years and never needed anything done to it. Love that car. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:13 It's more, so every year it's more plausible than ever to be electric. It used to be for a long time. People were like, oh, the range wasn't good enough. The range is fine now. No, the range is great. The range is better than some gas cars as far as full tanks gone. Then it was like, oh, the infrastructure isn't good enough. No, the infrastructure is there. You can...
Starting point is 00:43:41 The charges everywhere. Yeah, just go to the... Not that I'm trying to plug Tesla or anything like that. I don't really care. But I know that Tesla has a tool on their website. You can go on and plan a trip. Like, they've got a map. You know, you say from here to here. And any electric card, you can get in, at least with an adapter, you can use one of the electric Tesla charging stations. Yeah, we had a Vegas. It wasn't this year? I guess it was last year that they came or, yeah, 2022. But anyway, they brought their, what's those trucks called?
Starting point is 00:44:10 Evian, not Evians, avian, or whatever it is. It's a really expensive electric truck company. I can't remember the name. I don't know why I remember that. Anyway, he had one of those, and he had to have Rivian, that's it. He had to have this adapter. It was like a little dongle thing in his car so that it would work with the stations that were Tesla,
Starting point is 00:44:31 the stations that were some other connector. Like no one's ever, no one's ever decided on a connector standard. Tesla would like you to use their connector standard, but it's a little bit like... Yeah, did you know that Musk named it his connector standard? He named it like American standard or something like that. Oh, really? Wow. And there was kind of another standard already, and then they switched to it. I swear he was just manipulating.
Starting point is 00:44:57 Well, I mean, you know, it's like Apple wanted lightning cables to be the hot. Everybody used it thing, and that never worked even for them. But it's like if Apple had called, instead of calling it lightning cable, they called it charging standard. The international charging standard, known as lightning. Yeah, well, they probably kind of did internally. Anyway, so that finished guy no longer has that car. I'm sure he's driving something else now.
Starting point is 00:45:23 Good on him, I suppose. Final story, Kellogg is ditching at cereal business, Haralds the slow death of sugar for breakfast, which is, I never thought about this before, but I guess you just, you're eating a bowl of sugar. That's really what you're doing. But anyway, for decades, American retailers and experts extolled the virtues of shoveling processed grains into your digestive system every morning. But the age of cereal is over, a decline marked by junk food giant Kellogg, who is, quote, ditching its cereal business, unquote, as the Wall Street Journal describes the company's decision to split into two parts.
Starting point is 00:45:57 In recent weeks, executives from Kellogg and Post, that's the other giant cereal magnet thing, separately said that they expect the cereal industry to return to its pre-pandemic, friend of gradual decline, with sales ranging from flat to down by a low single-digit percentage per year. What is to be done? Well, Kellogg, the home of faded but possibly still iconic serial ambassadors, Tony the Tiger, and Two-K& Sam, has the most radical solution. Make it somebody else's problem. Next month, the company will spin off its North American cereal division into an entirely new company to be named WK. Kellogg, after its founder who invented modern cereal over a century ago. This will leave Kellogg's top management to focus on more attractive snacking segments with brands such as Pringles and Cheez-It's and so on.
Starting point is 00:46:46 They own all that crap. So yeah, this isn't them getting out of the business. They're spinning it off. This headline is one of those headlines that if you just read the headline, then you not only know nothing about what is actually happening, but you might actually know the opposite of what's actually happening. You may know you learn less by reading just the headline you undid some actual knowledge in your brain by reading just the headline yeah this is this of course it's so slow death of sugar for breakfast bs first of all um yeah uh yes cereal might be going by the wayside with other alternatives and everything but there is definitely going to be a floor for that cereal is so we like to eat other things than cereal here in our house just because
Starting point is 00:47:31 variety and and better helpful options but we still always buy cereal because sometimes you just need a quick bowl of cereal. Sometimes you need a bowl of cereal. You're right. Yeah. Also, it's cheap. Yeah. Yeah. So there are going to be some people who have to buy cereal. That's, that's such a, there's going to be a floor to that. And also, they're not, clearly not ditching the business. They describe it in the article. They're just spinning it off into another
Starting point is 00:48:00 Yeah, if anything. If anything, they're, they're reorganizing. Yeah, if anything, this is a sign of them saying we're doubling down for the long haul and we're doing it. It's kind of like how Alphabet split out from, you know, Google's now a subsidiary of Alphabet, same with YouTube and everything else. Like there's reasons why that's a benefit. That didn't mean that YouTube was down or that Google was struggling. It didn't mean those things. It means there's advantages, mostly financial, to doing this.
Starting point is 00:48:29 So, yeah, the headlines up in its own. I don't pretend to understand why corporations restructure, but they do it. all the time for tax and revenue reasons. Yeah, mostly those two reasons. Those are it. So go ahead. I love cereal, by the way. Yeah. That is my one guilty pleasure. When we do leftovers nights here at the house, all the kids eat leftovers. I eat cereal. I used to love a big bowl of, what was that called? Honeybunches of votes.
Starting point is 00:49:01 That's a good one. That's a good one. It's better for you than most, right? but when I was a kid it was all about Captain Crunch and freaking Tony or Frosted Flakes Frosted Tony Tony Tony the Frosted Flake
Starting point is 00:49:16 Yeah cereal is Serial is more like a dessert It's more like a If you look at it that way Then just don't eat it all Don't eat it all the time Nobody's saying eat it all the time But also avoid things like
Starting point is 00:49:29 You know fruit loops It's just what even is that? What are you eating? Yeah that's not one of my favorites we do keep it around the kids like it um and when i say fruit loops and everything we always we actually only get the like multo meal giant bag versions of all the cereals yeah the cheapo bags yeah that's the way to do it because those boxes are too small yeah too small and kind of expensive they're more expensive than the bag and they're at least half the size
Starting point is 00:49:56 yeah but then you end up with brands like happy little o's or what's my one of the it's uh man it's like um i can't remember any of them all of a sudden but they're like uh it's not it's not uh what's the it's not it's not oh man it's like soft drinks the marshmallow one what's the marshmallow oh uh that's lucky charms lucky charms right yeah but the one that we get is uh marshmallow mades oh marshmallow madies yep that's like getting dr thunder instead of dr pepper it's exactly mountain lion mountain lion mountain lion instead of mountain do i love alternate faco uh things like that half the time that stuff's made in the same damn place anyway so it doesn't even matter they're just making money twice it's called there's a whole
Starting point is 00:50:44 economic term for that in capitalism it's all uh artificial competition or something yeah it's it's a whole thing but i'm a fan i like it like like uh off-brand altoids are like you know i don't know they i forgot what they call my wife buys them and they taste just like alth but they're called something else like totaloids or alta altas or something like that and i'm convinced that the same damn people make it they just change the name my kids only know the the weird big bag versions of the cereals though so if we if we get like a box of of lucky charms they just call it marshmallow medes oh well then you've done the right thing you've changed you've You've single-handedly reversed an entire generation's dependence on marshmallow-based cereal.
Starting point is 00:51:37 Nice job. I know we're about to move on, but an observation I just thought about is that that's what breakfast really is just different forms of carbs and sugar, right? Like, for the most part. Yeah, it is. Like, yeah, there's sausage and bacon and stuff and eggs, but for the most part, like what you think about as a breakfast food is like donuts. right or waffles or pancakes or cereal or oatmeal right i don't know i like i like me some eggs some scrambled eggs a little bit of bacon in the morning yeah turkey bacon better yet even i actually prefer turkey bacon which i know makes me a bit of a i don't know pariah for no i like turkey bacon
Starting point is 00:52:20 pretty i like it a lot too it's uh it's less greasy and it's easier to get crispy yeah it's better for you eat more turkey everyone speaking of turkey we're going to do a little cold turkey and and uh and uh break the show up here with a song. And then invite a turkey onto the show. That's exactly what we're going to do. Dan, Dan, the Tabletop Man's coming up after the break. Before we do that, though, we got a song.
Starting point is 00:52:38 Brian prepared and had all set for me, which I really appreciate. This is an indie in the middle for a song called California. California. Not that song, though. And this is by, let me find the band here. Oh, He's Dead is the name of the band and the new LP Pretty. They got a whole tour going on.
Starting point is 00:53:00 a bunch of new songs just got released, including some video content. And this single is called California. These guys sound rad. Brian, in particular, in his email to me about this, was very excited. He said, this is so good in all caps. So this must be awesome. All right. So plant your butt down.
Starting point is 00:53:19 Enjoy the following song. And we'll be back shortly. We'll see you in a sec. I can't tell you one. But I want you on my body. Is that look in invitation For us to start a party in here Because I get you in my ear
Starting point is 00:53:43 I'll get you in my room I'll meet you on this Because I'll be feeling it soon And you'll be feeling it too I'll meet you on this on you in my hotel room take me back to California on you in my hotel room
Starting point is 00:54:13 bet it gets hot in here so hard you can't even stand in California love me and I didn't even play I'll get you in my ear. I'll get you in my room. I'll bet you want this. Wondering if you were thinking of me today,
Starting point is 00:54:45 dreaming about this. They be dreaming, they be dreaming about this. Take me back to California, on you in my hotel. Take me back to California, on you, in my hotel room. Touching on my body, touching on your body. It's a party when we're together, yeah, oh. Take me back to California, on you, in my hotel, ooh. San Francisco, let's get disco.
Starting point is 00:55:24 Let's get disco, LA, let's go play San Diego, so in fuego, light up opening, let's get smoking, San Francisco, let's get disco, LA, get it back, San Diego, so in fuego, Sacramento, let's get metal. Take me back to California, on you, in my hotel room. Take me back to California, on you, in my hotel room. Touching on my body, touching on your body. It's a party when we're together, however, oh, oh. Take me back to California, on you, in my hotel. At home, your kid may be a little angel, but on this bus, he's nothing but a little jerk. And we're back, everyone. That once again was the song, California, by the band, Oh, He's Dead from their new LP, Pretty. And they are on tour now. So go check them out. I love it.
Starting point is 00:57:20 All right, Bobby, we're back. Oh, you ran somewhere. Did you have to. The caraft yourself? What happened there? Did you... No, I've emptied the craft into my bladder. Oh, fantastic. So I was then emptying my bladder into the toilet. Into the corral.
Starting point is 00:57:32 Oh, no. All right. I got you... That's how they do it in Waterworld, you know. Yeah, they... Right back into the carafe. They got to, they have to preserve all the pee. That's the rule.
Starting point is 00:57:44 Yeah. Of Waterworld. Okay. Let's dive into some Dan time. Let's see. His geek jock name always eludes me. There we go. We'll bring him in here.
Starting point is 00:57:55 We'll talk about a couple of things, including, I want to talk to him about that recall. We talked about with you yesterday. So we're going to do a little bit of that. Good a little science behind that. But before all that, we're going to play this right here. Here's a tangent for him. Be careful. May cause drowsiness.
Starting point is 00:58:11 Dan, Dan, the tabletop, man. How you doing, dude? What's going on? Greetings programs, or should I say gobble, gobble. Well, you could say that. I'm a turkey coming in here. Do you like a little turkey alternatives? you know you enjoy that um i'm a meatitarian i just like meat i don't care if it's turkey chicken
Starting point is 00:58:29 most meats i mean obviously there's some weird stuff going on with uh some of the sausages of the world but i'm a big fan of just steak meat chicken you know i mix in a few things that might be green every now and in but i'm uh i try to avoid some arby's marketing really speaks to you yeah we've got the meats absolutely um but i did want to talk real quick um you guys were talking about cereal before we get too far from that. Yeah, yeah. So about the, you know, the sugars and things like that. So, you know, in our country, we've gotten such a bad stigma in the last 20 years,
Starting point is 00:59:00 you know, somewhat rightfully so, but then everything just goes to extreme about sugar. Yeah. Like, everybody in the world is like, sugar's bad, sugar's bad. Well, let's bring it all back. So we're talking about cereals. And I don't know if you guys remember a lot of the marketing, especially, I mean, Bobby, you're, I think you're about 12 when it comes to me and Scott age. Like, when we were growing up, you have.
Starting point is 00:59:21 We had a, the advertisement was always, it's great as part of a complete breakfast. Yeah, every time, yeah, they would show a screen that would be like, so let's say it was fruit loops or something like that. They would show a part of the commercial, part of the video would be a spread on a table that had the box of cereal, a little bowl full of it with milk in it and a spoon, and then it would pan out and say part of a complete breakfast. and it would be like a spread from a hotel, like toast and eggs and bacon. An entire continental breakfast. Yeah, the whole thing is there, juice, you know, an extra thing of milk, like some kind of crazy thing that would never, by the way, happened in any of my cereal consumption moments of my life ever.
Starting point is 01:00:05 No, not at all. You know, I don't have a, I don't have a whole grapefruit and a big jar of milk and everything else that they've got. But so what that always meant was kind of your body does need sugar. I mean, it's a basic building block. And a lot of times they're marketing a lot of these things, especially in breakfast. You want a complete breakfast because, you know, you need your fats, you need your sugars, you need your fiber, you need a little bit of everything, you know, your grains and such to go out for the day.
Starting point is 01:00:30 So a lot of times, especially, I'll call them olden days, you know, you would think you get up in the morning, you have a big breakfast and you're going out to, you know, the fields or, you know, school and things like, you're going to do physical activity or your brain's going to be working. If you're kids, you know, at school and working hard and using. that stuff as fuel they're not really you shouldn't be having even even a bowl of uh you know even a bowl of uh you know even a bowl of fruit lips while not great is still participating in the complete breakfast like obviously you want to don't don't get a lot of sugars from other area but you know even that's fine but i don't want to i don't want to say eat fruit lips every day i'm a big
Starting point is 01:01:06 a honey nut churios guy oh i love honey nut churios yeah the honey nuts honey nuts got less sugar than most though which surprised me because i thought oh well it's honey nut this is their version of a sugary cereal so of course it's full of sugar and it does have sugar but it's nothing not even close like it's less sugar than honey bunches of oats it's less sugar than um what was that my dad was really into a certain kind of total and that total had more sugar in it that's crazy you know it's funny when you actually go in uh and you read labels in the stores like you have to look at what serving sizes are and how many servings are in a box or in things like so and what you're actually getting because you may be saying oh well
Starting point is 01:01:46 this is a bowl of cereal, your bowl is three times the normal consumption of a person. So you're not really, you're getting way more than you should be getting, you know, in some instances. And then, so there was, I talk about this on the show a few months ago where it was like the food that built America. Yeah. It was on, like, History Channel. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:04 They've got a really good one. I think they did one on bread when they started enriching bread and stuff like that. And they did a really good one on kind of cereal. And how, you know, 50, 70 years ago, it just ripped. revolutionized nutrition in the country because they were able to pack in so many vitamins and minerals that people didn't get every day, especially not, I don't want to generalize poor, but the country wasn't what we are now. Like, we're like a fat nation because we got way too much money and way too much food.
Starting point is 01:02:33 Back then, nobody had money, so not everybody had a lot of food because, you know, because they weren't able to get. And they certainly didn't have a lot of vitamins. So this was just, the cereal industry was revolutionizing nutrition. and of course every good thing gets bad with too much you know yeah you got to moderate man that's the deal right that's true though you can um most cereals even the sugary ones most series are fortified um so you can it may be not a great idea because you're not getting a lot of variety but you're getting you are getting a lot of nutrition and that's why i made the point
Starting point is 01:03:08 that that they that there are a lot of people who need cereal because it's a cheap way to get you know stuff they need real quick in the morning and because they don't have a lot of money. There's nothing wrong with those because it's the same thing. And what you said, a lot of times they're made in the same factory and it's just another way because you'd be surprised how much money they still make off of, like the brand companies even make off of their generics. Of course, I bring everything back to drugs because being a drug dealer, I've got to bring everything back to drugs here. So a lot of times when things, when medications go generic and usually have whatever it is, 15 to 70, years, depending on the type of meds, sometimes when there's Me Too meds where it's just basically just another dosage, you don't have as much of a patent.
Starting point is 01:03:52 Anyway, when something goes generic, usually in the first six months, only one person will be, get the exclusive rights to make that generic. So it's just really easy for the brand company who owns three different generic companies to just go ahead and make it, and they're still kind of charging a lot, even though it's generic, it's not quite as much as the brand. Sometimes you'll even open up the bottles, and this was hilarious when we used to work, you know, I'd work to retail pharmacy, you would open up the bottle of this generic drug and you'd pour, you know, the generic bottle, you'd pour it into, to count them out,
Starting point is 01:04:23 and it would be like, it would say concerta right there. It's generic methyl friend at ADR, but it's just as concertor, because it's just as cheap for them to just throw it in those bottles for the next six months. Sure. And then sell it for just kind of a profit. And then more insurance companies are paying for it. It's a very, the whole generic, the whole industry is just fascinating. Why does it take so many years?
Starting point is 01:04:44 I don't know. Maybe this isn't a lot in this time scale of pharmacology, but it feels like 15 years is a long time for something to go from not to generic. You know what I'm saying? So, well, that's just all. You have exclusivity. The FDA gives you those rights as kind of a patent thing. Okay. So it's got to be, it's more patent thing than anything else. And then after that expires, and it's kind of like that in many industries. And I think the years are probably a little bit different for every industry. But it's all about that. Okay. That makes sense. And then there's a lot of things. Some companies will do like what they call patent extenders is what we call them because
Starting point is 01:05:20 basically they're just changing the molecule just a little bit and they're getting another five years off of their drug, which should have been generic. That seems lame. I don't like that. That's a practice. And then there's also what's the, I know my wife, my wife's also a pharmacist and she's talked about this before and I can't remember what it is, but there are branded generics, right? Yes.
Starting point is 01:05:41 Yeah. So a lot of times, and famous, so easy ones for most people out there to recognize, there are there are a lot of things for where you take doxycycline for your, for acne. Yeah. So there are, there's a doxycycline, a low-strength doxycline that's called Dorix. So it's basically just a branded generic. It sounds like dorks. That's not cool. It really is.
Starting point is 01:06:01 It's like, it's just a lower strength than what some of the generics come out. And then they're able. And then when you do that sometimes, that's when a lot of times you don't get as long of a patent as the other stuff. But these poor kids, man, walking around high school with their pizza face and they have to use dorks. That sucks. Anyway, sorry. Can't get over that. And what's interesting, too, is, and again, this is the pharmaceutical industry is nuts.
Starting point is 01:06:25 Sometimes after a drug's been generic for a while and then there's these branded generics, the brand and generic is cheaper than the branded generic, which is nuts. It's just all the pricing and, you know, that's why, you know, that's why, like, when they talk about like farmer, and stuff like he didn't do anything that hadn't been done a million times he just did it to such an extent and had and he was such an ass about it yeah and he did it kind of he did it quickly is the other thing usually sometimes this stuff takes longer or it's spread out over time or they you know they're they're actually kind of subtle about their tom shittery but his his his version was like do it overnight screw the old people or whatever his thing was i don't remember well and the thing was he he did it to a drug that like nobody uses for
Starting point is 01:07:11 anything and then he just happened to do it uh you know there was maybe a disease state that like less than a thousand people in the country ever even have or or use and it was a drug that like basically nobody ever did he paid pretty much i think he bought up like every ounce of that material and then just said you know what instead of uh you know instead of 40 cents a tablet which it probably should be and then i'm charging you five bucks a tablet i'm going to charge you seven hundred dollars a tablet yeah i think it was also a life saving drug too is the other problem yeah it's just It was more for what it was used for. Sure, sure.
Starting point is 01:07:43 That's a, yeah, he sucks. That guy can, well, I guess he's in prison now. So enjoy while you're there. Yeah, there's a lot more. My God, there's another documentary about him versus Wu-Tang or some of that. That's a funny watch, too. That's an interesting watch. Oh, yeah, the Wu-Tang album.
Starting point is 01:07:57 I forgot about that. He had some crazy version, like the one vinyl they made or something weird. They produced an album and only made one, I think. That's what it was. And he bought it up and tried to resell it. I got to see that. Is that a doc? I can watch somewhere.
Starting point is 01:08:12 I want to see that. Oh, yeah. It's streaming on a few different things. I'm trying to remember where I streamed it from, but it's out there. I'll look for it. There's so many platforms and so many things you want to watch that it's just a matter of, well, where the hell is it? I know. Where is it in my World of Warcraft sub?
Starting point is 01:08:25 Like, where is this thing that I heard about so much? All right. I got a thing somebody sent in. I wanted to tell you or read you real quick before we dive into some game recommendations. And that's this. If it's possible and you don't mind, says this reader, there's a text. says, I'd love to see Dan, or love to see if Dan, Dan, the tabletop, Matt had any thoughts on the town I live in? He mentioned he was from Sachem School District.
Starting point is 01:08:49 Secham is where I went to high school. I'm from Lake O'Conkama. Okay. I went to, but I went to Secham High School, which is one of the largest. My graduating class was 1,302 when I graduated. Whoa. We had like 800. I thought that was a lot.
Starting point is 01:09:06 Yeah, we had 900. I thought that was a lot, too. I thought mine was really high. Now two people have beat me in one four-second period of time. That's insane. Not that it's a kind of, yeah. The end of June on the end of June in Long Island going through graduation, names alone took three hours.
Starting point is 01:09:23 Oh my gosh. That would die, would die. I ain't going to your graduation if you guys live out there for that. Yeah. And of course, they had it outside in the sun. You, I mean, I'm Italian, so you could imagine the tan I got that day. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:36 Dude, I think about you all the time right now because I've been watching the Sopranos. I'm almost done. I got like three episodes left. Oh, Uncle Tony. My fourth watch through and half these people sound like you. That's crazy. Anyway, so he says, so he went to that school district, which is 10 minutes from where I live in Patcha, what is this? Patchog. Patchhog. Okay. Yes, he's, it's actually a lot of names on Long Island are Native American Indian based. Oh, that's a, okay. You know, the high school went through, Sechum was, is what they call an Indian chief. You even seen a lesson in Mohegan's,
Starting point is 01:10:07 he talks to, he calls him the Sasham, you know, at the end of the day Lewis is talking to him. So a lot of things Long Island are all Indian-based names. And every, like, so every elementary school in my school district had a different Indian tribe name, which was
Starting point is 01:10:21 really cool. But yeah, Patchhog and Hopog. A lot of means like that. Is Kohawk a thing? Is that a real place? There's probably, who knows, they may even made a co-hug. Like, Kowag, when they came, when I saw that on TV, I was like,
Starting point is 01:10:34 dude, that's got to be a real town in New York somewhere. It sounds real. I always assumed it was real, but I don't know. Anyway, he finishes by saying, depending on where you or when you left, it may have been a shithole. But in the last 10 years, it has had a huge resurgence, bustling nightlife restaurants everywhere. Now that you've done struggling with the word patchhog, he says. It says it's patchhog or og like eggnog.
Starting point is 01:11:00 Love the show, though. So you didn't leave a name. So were we talking about it being a shit hole when you were there? don't remember that part of this. No, so there are different towns. So, it's funny, you know, I talk about history general all the time. I love watching these shows about, you know, big things that are abandoned and stuff like that. Yeah, I like that, too.
Starting point is 01:11:19 And if you watch those, and I swear I've got to point to this. So if you watch those, almost everything that you see on a satellite that's gigantic is from World War II. It's like almost everything is from World War II. So my point to this was, if you remember, the country went through a huge surge in like the 50s and 60s, and there are towns like this all over the Midwest, East Coast, where when everything was like just booming, all these towns were produced and made. Well, then what happened in the 80s and 90s is they didn't really keep up with them. So all these towns turning into shitholes. And there are a lot of towns like this in Long Island and again, up and down East Coast and Midwest where they just need revitalization. And what's
Starting point is 01:11:56 amazing. And I did go home a few years ago. And I think I went to, I went to a public house, I think was what it was in downtown Paddock. And it's amazing. So Padjog is on the south shore. it's uh it's it's like it's a basically part of it is is kind of a beach town so they really leaned into that you know uh and then when they revitalized the downtown like a lot of these downtowns when they were making them they're just kind of like the on top of everything and long island is not like that it almost looks like uh like a small city almost kind of like when you have parts of brooklyn where there's the downtown is like building next to building where it's just kind of a normal row whereas a lot of long island isn't like that it's more like kind of malls and everything but they revitalized their
Starting point is 01:12:35 kind of their main downtown, and they really leaned into kind of that beach excursion or beach town, because if you think of Long Island, the first thing you think of is generally the Hamptons. Oh, yeah. Yeah, first thing comes to mind. Well, there's two things I think of, of, wait, where's Staten Island in relation to Long Island? That's basically by the city. It's an island that's right off of kind of next to Brooklyn, off of Long Island. That's kind of your one stop either you're either going into Jersey or into the city.
Starting point is 01:13:02 Okay, okay. So when I think of Long Island, I think of Nathan's hot dogs. I think of that Seinfeld episode where they all took a train there. And Jerry took that guy with his head and he'll close on on the train. He got his clothes back on and they both went to ride the roller coaster and get hot dogs. And then you. And that's all I have connected to Long Island. I have no other anything.
Starting point is 01:13:26 Other than I know there's a lot of accents, you hear about the Hamptons, but that's it. It feels like we just have stereotypes. Right. So you think a lot of today, go into Cody Island where you have Nathan's, and I think they still have the hot dog eating contest still in Coney Island every year. And that's great. And that's up in Brooklyn. So there's a lot of really cool. And it's funny. So, and this is a quick tangent. If you ask anybody in Brooklyn you talk to about Long Island, they don't even acknowledge the fact that they are actually on Long Island. Like they think that it's a different place altogether. That's funny. You realize you are on the island. Yeah, that's interesting. See, without being there and living there, this is stuff you just don't know. All we get is movies and TV, right? We don't know.
Starting point is 01:14:09 Yeah, so, I mean, not everybody could go into the Hampton. So some of these towns that are kind of rebuilding, and there's also like Port Jeff is basically straight north of Patchhog. And Port Jeff was kind of like one of the first ones that kind of restarted redoing is in the 90s 2000. It's on a north shore, a good little, I guess it's not a beach town, but it's a Salon town. And you take the ferry from Port Jeff over to Connecticut.
Starting point is 01:14:30 There's one of the two ferries, is an Orient Point Ferry and Port Jeff Ferry. But this is kind of like doing exactly what that did, where it's leaning into kind of redevidalization. And, you know, millionaires going out to, you know, the Hamptons. But everybody else wants to go somewhere. So why not have a nice place like either Port Jeff or Patchhog? And Port Jeff is a Jeff like J-E-F-F, Port Jeff?
Starting point is 01:14:48 Well, it's Port Jefferson. So we call it Port Jeff. Oh, okay. I was going to say, that's very cool. This guy, someone named Jeff, a famous Jeff settled there back in the 1800s. And that's crazy. It's right next to Port Bob. There you go. Port Bobby. Don't go there. You'll get science. Anyway, well, that's great. Thank you for that text. And if you ever have questions for our guests, you can always send us text, of course. Hey, Dan, big weekend coming up. A lot of people want to know what they should be doing. They're getting cozy for the fall. What board game should they play this week?
Starting point is 01:15:19 So I like to bring some kind of lighter ones here and there, but there's a really new, it's basically on pre-order and it's starting to ship now. Portal games, who does a lot of great games that, you know, they did, um, Imperial Settlers and Imperial Settlers Empires of the North, which is kind of in this kind of Imperial Settlers universe. Now they put out another game that's a little bit lighter than the two of those, because those were kind of light to medium weight games and they're amazing games. So they're putting out Imperial
Starting point is 01:15:45 Miners. So it's in that same Imperial Settlers universe, and it's like theme where we're going to say, oh, we're done settling. Now we've got a mine for everything. So, Scott, this is 100% of Scott game. All right. So the rules aren't so bad, is what you're saying. They can follow them.
Starting point is 01:16:01 They're easy to read, easy to understand, and you can learn them in about 40 seconds. Now, Bobby, I don't know how much board gaming you do. Oh, I do a lot of board gaming. I'm a big board gamer. Yeah. He's never bored playing board games. I like all kinds of games. I am a fan of all of them, but I'm definitely like, I definitely like rules-heavy games, things like, what's the one we played recently?
Starting point is 01:16:28 Food Chain Magnate is pretty fun. Oh, that's got some good weight to it. Yeah, that's... Oh, yeah, that's a tough... But I also like... I'm looking at my shelf right now, that's why I'm... You don't mind some simpler fare, some good family, good time, that kind of stuff. Patchwork is a really fun one for me and my wife.
Starting point is 01:16:45 Oh, that's an excellent. That's an excellent two player. And they have all these different versions of patchwork, which are amazing. So Apparel Miners is right up that same alley where you can play this one to five players. Honestly, you can play this with kids because it's an easy one to learn, an easy one to play. and it only plays in uh we call it like uh you know the super filler a one hour wonder it's really easy to teach and play and you can probably teach it and play in an hour so what you're doing is you're mining down you have everyone has a card that basically says the same thing like uh has the top level and then
Starting point is 01:17:14 you'll have a hand of cards they'll have levels one two three in them and then on your turn you're basically building you're kind of burrowing down so when you play a card that goes kind of down level you get to do what it says on that card and then you're going up the kind of back up the mine and you're triggering what's on top of it so your base card that everybody has again has like three different things you can do so then on your next card you're built but building down then you're kind of building a little bit of a base and then you get to level two cards so when you build a level two card you have you're going to control you're going to do what the level two card says like maybe gain a gold and a victory point and then you can pick that one of the
Starting point is 01:17:51 two cards above it basically staying in that same row and get what happens there triggering that card so as you can tell as you're building things out you're building things uh you know east and west and then building things north and south you're building and then you're triggering kind of using the nice little chain of your tableau to build different things and then you're getting different victory points you're going up some different tracks that that will be kind of randomized tracks that's almost like uh you know just kind of a reward track that you have and that's another way to get victory points but it's such a such an easy game to play i basically just explained the whole game right there you know all you really the only
Starting point is 01:18:25 the difference that you're worrying about during the game is, you know, how you're getting money and then how you're purchasing different things in the game. You're basically just going 10 rounds, building 10 things, triggering everything, and then see how many victory points you have. You know what I like? I like these, I like the pieces, like these, uh, gem pieces and these little, these little, these little tray, these, I don't know what you call these. There are mine carts is what they really are. Mine carts, okay. I love that kind of stuff. That attention to detail. I love that crap. So cool. The only bad thing about the mind carts, um, And I've already, I sent the publisher a note laughing about it because I hate sticker and shit.
Starting point is 01:19:01 Oh, yeah, you got to put those on, bang it. You got to put the sticker on the top of them, and I just hate it. But so like, and also these different cards will have kind of a visual spatial thing where they'll have kind of a half. You know, you may have this little rectangle where it's a half a mine cart. And if you, if you connect the other side, then you're going to basically get a point at the end of the game and it could trigger other things. But if there's a half that's empty with a half that's full, later in the game, you can actually fill up that other half. And that's why you're putting those mine cart pieces on there
Starting point is 01:19:29 just to show that you actually have filled that particular cart. But the bits are really nice. The little gems that's kind of like the 1-5 and 10 victory point gems, I believe is what it is because the money isn't chits. But it's such a great production. This is kind of one of these games where it's so light and so easy to play that it's very much a Game of the Year candidate, for sure. It looks
Starting point is 01:19:54 It looks really good I like it's got like a Tech track you were talking about Which is cool Yeah And those are so there's three of those different tracks And they're double-sided So you just randomize those three boards
Starting point is 01:20:04 Every game And then kind of as you're going up to the top of one You then choose another one that you can go Because different things that you'll trigger We'll let you go up that track So it's currently pre-order on Amazon I probably can get in other places right now Or direct maybe or something
Starting point is 01:20:17 Yeah you can go to Amazon I think portal Portal games It's like they're actually a Polish publisher, but they have distribution in the U.S. So they're starting to ship from a U.S. distribution now. So if you look, if you do a search for portal games, they probably have a pre-order on there as well. But you should be able to get it on Amazon. And it should be getting into the FLGS is out there real soon.
Starting point is 01:20:39 But I always love to either use your friendly local game store or, you know, or the publisher himself. You know what's funny is I'd love a good mining-based video game. Like even if you go back to puzzle stuff like Mr. Dr. in the 90s or um wait was it mr driller something driller i think it was mr driller is capcom thing um i think and then uh like today i love the steam the steam uh what are they called steamworks or steam world dig that's i was trying to say steam world dig one and two amazing mining based things there's something about going down and deep and getting further depending on what the mechanics of the game are i don't really care it seems like that's what
Starting point is 01:21:19 This is. You've described a board game that gives me that vibe, and I'm all in. This thing's only $39, too, so affordable. That's great. Yeah, and it's solid. I really, I really dig it. It's, uh, it always, nowadays, you kind of like think about price for what you get. Like, I don't want to, yeah, yeah, I don't want to diminish the publisher's price of 40. It feels like a $30 game to me, because I got one for a review copy, obviously, but, but, um, it feels like a $30 game, so you may be able to find that. It's, I really hate to nickel and dime on these things, but, you know, money is money. Right. But I think $40 is a pretty good deal. I would have liked to be cheaper, but it's a good deal for a game. Nowadays, games are $80, $90, $100, but so a $40 game is no big deal. And it's probably, again, with everything getting more expensive for them to produce, too.
Starting point is 01:22:09 Yeah. But look at these little, I mean, I know you hate putting the stickers on, but chat room, look at these stickers. They're so cute. You get little gems in there? Actually, it looks like cereal. We've been talking about cereal. They look like little boxes of cereal. It does look like, you know, something that you would see in Lucky Chorn.
Starting point is 01:22:22 Yeah. Well, that's great. Check it out. Again, that game is called Imperial Miners by Post-Portle Games and is available soon on Amazon and other places as well. You can pre-order it, check it out, and getting Dan's recommendations always good for us. Dan, is there anything else going on you'd like people to know about it? No, just check me out, Geek Jock, Dan, on Twitter. I am not, I am old like Scott, but I really don't like to be on a million different social media.
Starting point is 01:22:48 So just find me on Twitter. And also, if you're, you know, Tad Pullers and friends, feel free to check me out on Facebook as well. I do The Geek All Stars podcast. We just did one a few weeks ago. We'll do another one this week. But we just finished a great show where we actually had the villains draft. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:03 We've drafted villains from all different between movies, TV, books, and everything else. So that was a fun time. That was probably good. Yeah, that sounds like a great time. Go check that out. Dan, I have a question for you real fast. Go for it. Yes, sir.
Starting point is 01:23:15 If you had a quick recommendation real fast, me and my wife are always looking for really solid two-player games. You know how some games say they play two players, but really it's kind of a diminished experience when it's scaled down that way. Right, when you scale it down. Yeah, you mean games that are made more for two or basically... Or at least play really well with two people. Right.
Starting point is 01:23:38 Well, just off the top of my head, since you do like kind of the heavier-based kind of base games, caverna's a great game, but caverna, Cave versus Cave, it's kind of like that Agricola all creatures big and small those are two
Starting point is 01:23:49 kind of smaller versions of the big game that pack a bit of a punch and are fun Seven Wonders Duel We have that one That's a really good one Yeah
Starting point is 01:23:57 Boss Monster which was a game that was based off of kind of like a video game where it's kind of like an 8 bit looking thing where you're just trying
Starting point is 01:24:06 to make your kind of levels and stuff Boss Monster Duel is a new one that's coming out that's excellent for two people cool do you know what's great for two people the upcoming release
Starting point is 01:24:17 of dungeon murder I've heard about it a couple of places it's pretty good I've heard it's a little indie project by one guy made the art and did all the game pretty good for two people
Starting point is 01:24:28 I'm gonna put that up I think it's published I'll have it I know you will have it I saw your name on there it'll be out it's coming out right now we're looking at we're hoping early October
Starting point is 01:24:37 is the plan we're just waiting for production that's the funest part about this when you've done everything you've literally done everything and now you're just waiting for printers to do their shit it's the worst yeah i don't like it oh and nowadays with thousands and thousands of games coming out it's it's easier said than done to push that
Starting point is 01:24:54 publish but yeah it's way harder because they're it's just everything's backlogged i mean it's great for the i'm glad the the tabletop business is so insane right now it's so good but it does mean that you're kind of in a line especially if you want to do printing and stuff in the states because all the best places that are actually affordable are way backlogged and i could go to China, but I don't want to, so I'm not. If you're going to be doing a bigger game, China's going to be the way
Starting point is 01:25:23 to go because they're just, they're more affordable and they're actually better at it than, it's just not affordable for a U.S.-based publisher. I mean, a producer to, you know, the manufacturing isn't the machines, the workers, and everything else. It's just,
Starting point is 01:25:41 in the materials, they're just not cheap enough over here for a manufacturing. I'm actually to make enough money. In a lot of cases, they have to get that stuff from over there, too, because they're not equipped to do, like, all the little chits and the little bits and the pieces and the stuff. And I wish it would change. I, you know, hell, I would open up a manufacturer if, you know, actually, years ago, we were looking in this. I'm like, why isn't there a good U.S. base thing?
Starting point is 01:26:02 Then you look at all the behind the scenes and everything else. It's just not feasible. Yeah, the money's not right. It's all wrong. You can't charge $300 for a board game. Sorry. I mean, you can. Some people can.
Starting point is 01:26:14 But we're not all. Well, it's rare. It's a blinged-out copy of like Oathsworn or the biggest Frost Haven in the world. Yeah, it's like Gloom Haven 2.0 with hand-signed everything from artists and, you know, somebody's. Even my huge Frost Haven isn't even, I mean, I think I paid like 150 or something for it and it's gigantic. I can imagine, you know, when I look at these Kickstarers, I go for two or $300, you're like, man, I spend $150 on Frost Haven. Is this going to be as good as that? Yeah. If not, then I ain't paying $300 for a Kickstarter.
Starting point is 01:26:41 Hell no, yo. Well, Dan, it's always good hanging out with you. have a good one, and may your recalled FDA drugs, over-the-counter drugs be mild. I don't know what I'm saying. We'll see you later. Bye. All right. There goes down.
Starting point is 01:26:56 I think. Oh, there he goes. Okay. Hey, I got one last thing to read and then we're out of here, dude. All right. Here it is. This is from Sardonis Delacroy. Well, what a name. I did not make that up. That is an email name. It says here, I am a little behind on episodes
Starting point is 01:27:12 because I was on vacation. I prefer to listen to TMS while I'm at work because I need something silly to lift my spirits. But on episode 2506, this is a while ago been hanging on to this one, Scott inquired if furries can choose whatever animal they want and then equip, sorry, and then quipped about being
Starting point is 01:27:28 a sloth. All right? Meaning that's what I would be or something. I don't remember what I said. Anyway, I've been an active member of the furry community since 1998 when I was a freshman in high school and yes, furries can choose whatever animal they want. Some furries can choose furless animals for their character.
Starting point is 01:27:44 Oh, that's right, because I was saying, was anybody like a hairless cat, or could you be like a, like, I didn't know if the furry part was required that you had to be furry. You know what I mean? Could you be a lizard, maybe some sort of hairless lizard, like I didn't know. Anyway, so some furries choose to be hairless animals for their character. There are a large number of bird characters as well as snakes and crocodiles, even dragons and dinosaurs. Well, they all live together at the same time as my understanding of history, ancient history. Anyway, lots of birds and dinosaurs Yeah, all of them birds in particular
Starting point is 01:28:16 Man birds are weird Let me just say Have you heard lately like a trained Someone just has like a raven And the raven talks Have you heard how those sound How raven sound when they talk Yeah, ravens are incredibly intelligent
Starting point is 01:28:28 I've heard them compared to To a seven year old in In terms of intelligence Which is pretty great for a bird, right? Yeah, they freak me the F out Like in a other universe Because it's now, it's now generally accepted by the anthropological world, as my understanding, that birds descended from dinosaurs. Yes.
Starting point is 01:28:53 Just imagine a universe where things went just a little bit different. Maybe the meteor hit less, or it was no meteor at all. And these things were left to truly evolve. We'd have smart dinosaurs walking around talking and shit. Because look at some of these birds. These ravens are going, hey, I'm hungry. What's going on? Hey, everybody.
Starting point is 01:29:14 Check me out. And they're not just mimicking. They're like asking for things. Or someone will say, what's this? And he'll poke, he'll knock his beak on a glass bottle and he'll say, glass and this low voice. And then they'll put plastic and he'll knock it and go, what's this? Plastic. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:29:29 And he'll say, yes, but what is this I'm holding? Bottle. Like, what the frick, dude? Yeah. I just read an article just that came out less than a week ago that there's been some research that show that Ravens have displayed statistical knowledge like they understand statistical comparisons of things.
Starting point is 01:29:54 This wouldn't surprise me. They're just, they're crazy. I love it, man. Ravens, they're the future. Look out. Corvids. Get yours today. Ravens, crows.
Starting point is 01:30:04 Yeah, crows. The only difference is they're a raven's crow, the best I can tell is the raven has cooler hair. The crow's like a smoother bird. Whereas the ravens just got like these like wisps of like cool I don't know what they call like like
Starting point is 01:30:18 Final Fantasy character hair kind of. Yeah. Oh yeah. I could put it. All right. If you want to send an email into this show you can. It's the morning stream at gmail.com. You can send us text as well at 801-471062. And even better yet, you can
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Starting point is 01:31:41 song brian gave me another request here uh forwarded this to me this is our end of show cover uh it's going to be the song all star by jonathan young and it's because of this request good a baza and shaza or maybe it's baza and shaza i don't i don't know no one tells me these things i'm baza today okay sure well you're b it works you know when brian's not here and we need a b it works out pretty good Let's see. You were talking about Puss and Boots on Recommendals, which reminded me of the music from the Shrek movies. I requested a certain cover of a pretty crappy song because it's just a fun cover. Nothing too deep. If it can be played due to reasons or can't be played due to reasons, then it's all good dealer's choice. Also, it's my 42nd birthday. Happy birthday. It's like done. Feel free to rewrite this as it wasn't written by a half drunk Aussie at 3 a.m. Love the show. show though signed lucky fill who was in our chat room today well he wanted a cover of all star uh and you know whatever we just lost steve what's his name the lead singer for for that band for smash mouth so this a bit of a tribute in a way um this is one by jonathan young i know nothing more
Starting point is 01:32:53 about this other than jonathan young covered this version of all star and if i know brian i know that it's good because he makes he plays nothing but good covers on the show so sit back relax and worry not You're about to get a rad cover of All-Star. That's going to do it for us. We'll see you guys tomorrow. But your head gets the hump So much you do, so much You say, so what's wrong
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