The Morning Stream - TMS 2531: Knead You Tonight

Episode Date: October 2, 2023

The Star Wars along The Fury Road. Putting children in their bags. The Wilhelm Laugh. Candy Corn Dressed As Robin. Good & Plenty As Multiple Men. Theater is Fancy. AI Colon. Frankenstein Barfing In A Pumpkin. Don't Forget the The. Goin in hard on the beef. Freshly-Canned Laughter. Inserting Dunaway. Double Up Day. Stinky Ball in the Desert. Science: Something Cool And Learny with Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

TMS is brought to you daily by the support of our patrons at patreon.com slash TMS like Tyler Jackson, Tyler Steinhouse, and Vernalus. Coming up on TMS, the Star Wars along the Fury Road. Letting children in their bags. The Wilhelm laugh. Candy corn dressed as Robin. Good and plenty as multiple men. Theater is fancy. A.I. Colon.

Frankenstein, barfing in a pumpkin. Don't forget the the. Going in hard on the beef. Freshly canned laughter. inserting done away double up day dinky ball in the desert science something cool and learning with bobby and more on this episode of the morning stream hi i'm just playing with my daughter's video game but the batteries seem to be dead ask them in my car why don't you come over and help me put them in don't forget scumbagic

He's taking a dump in a can. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to TMS. It's the morning stream for Monday, October 2nd, 2023. I'm Scott, and that's Brian. Hi, Brian. Hello, happy new week to you, new month, even. New week, new month, new moon on Monday.

Whoa, the second, that's right. I forgot, we're in it. We're in it to win it today. We're knee deep in it. Yes. I was going to, so I had a plan yesterday. I was going to draw something Halloween. weenie every day for 31 days and um and i didn't do it yesterday i forgot the very first day you missed

day one well yeah i guess i guess i'll just have to wait until november and try it again folks i think what i'll do is all uh i mean it's only fun for alaweens so that's the only reason i'm doing it so what i think i'll do is just draw two today you know i'll make one for yesterday then i'm caught up i got one for today and then i'll do everyone every every a Halloween doodle every day until the end of the month. That's the plan. Yes. Until Halloween.

Any theme, the Halloween themed, or is it just a Halloween? Just Halloween theme. Like, you know, who knows what? Frankenstein, barfing in a pumpkin. I don't know. How about candy dressed up as superheroes and somebody putting children in their bags? I like it. That's not bad.

To a door and somebody puts children in their bags. What superhero is just dressed up? Or no, what does? Candy corn would be dressed up as Robin. Okay, there you go. That's good. Just a generic candy bar would be your Batman. Okay. What do we got?

We got popcorn ball as the Hulk. Oh, that's good. I like that. That's not bad. What's another dumb thing we always get? Screw you, Johnson. I'm going to draw this. How about a good and plenty?

Who gets to be a good and plenty? Good and plenty dressed up as multiple men. Oh, my. Because there'd be a lot of them, right? They're all dressed up as multiple men. Well, they're good and plenty. That's right. They are.

Anyway, happy October, everybody. Hope you have a good, fun, spooky season. We put up a new film sack this weekend for our kickoff of the Halloween month. It was fun. Yeah. Oh, God, that was a blast. Yeah, yeah. I'm telling you right now, I'm pretty sure that The Cabin in the Woods holds up.

I like that. You do emphasize The, and I do appreciate that because it is not. The movie is not called Cabin in the Woods. It's called The Cabin in the Woods. Yeah, most people when they bring it up. Yeah, exactly. Most people, when they bring it up. it up they say cabin in the woods and they're wrong there's a the in there right right and why do

i know that because i used to do it wrong and then this weekend i kept reminding myself no there's there scott sure get it in so that you don't get emails going where's where's the the the emails would say exactly where do you mean the the the band it's get your get those names right it's like it's the star wars it's the jaws make sure you get these movie names right people because uh we you know it's important yeah the mad max fury road don't forget the the the there you go in there to set that reset that timer the the the uh anyway hey we got all kinds of stuff today big monday so trust you know what's the word tuck in tuck in tuck in tuck in yeah tuck in uh which usually is a food reference right you're supposed to eat when you tuck

in i don't know yeah i think so yeah when somebody tucks into a plate of beef that is them going hard on a on beef right just like er we'll eat all this beef i'm tucking in yeah i don't know I don't know how Tuck, it's true though, I don't know how Tuck ever got associated with food. You know, Sondland's Lambs did try to change all that with a whole different meaning for Tuck, but as far as food and eating, that's one that we can always appreciate is the food connection. That's right. Always remember the food connection. We got an email, though, or a text, I should say, from Kelly S in our listening audience.

Hi, Kelly S. We had had some, you and I, some brief conversation about misheard lyrics recently. We've done that a few times. Mondegrines is what they're officially called. Oh. Here we are. It comes from a misheard lyric that somebody, like the actual line is laid him on the green. And somebody said, oh, I think that lyric is Lady Mondegrine.

And ever since then, a misheard lyric has been called a Mondegrine. How old is that song? Do we know? Eons. It's like a 1,400,400 sign. I don't know. It's old. It's an old song.

This is, okay, that's actually kind of cool. People have been doing this from a long-in-upon. I mean, it is an early song, but it is, I'll tell you, exactly, that song. It's not some Beatles B-side somewhere. The song is the Bunny, the Bunny Earl of Morey, 17th century. Okay. Nice. So, 1600s, yeah.

Nice. Look at that. People dying at the plague and singing songs. That's what you did back then. Yep, exactly. Well, here's what Kelly S had to say on the topic of misunderstood lyrics, when I was a kid. I thought the line in excesses need you tonight was, quote, there's something about to burp that makes me sweat.

There's something about to burp that makes me sweat. Love it. Now, I'm not going to hear anything else. I mean, I always heard, I think, what it was supposed to be. There's something about you, girl, that makes me sweat. Yes, correct. But something about to burp that makes me sweat is amazing. It's fantastic.

And I think, you know, Kelly, yes, it's one of the easiest lyrics to hear in music because there's very little instrumentation in that song other than the drums and the bling, blink, blink, bling, that's right. Boring, point, point. That's it. Exactly. So, you know, good on you. I kind of like that interpretation of the song. Yeah, I'm going to hear it next time I hear it for sure. I haven't heard that song in probably 15 years. It's been a long time. Oh, really?

Randomly or on purpose. That is one of my, if I had 10 Desert Island discs, Kik, In Excess's Kick album would be one of those. There is not a, there is not a crap song on that whole album. I agree. I do feel like I would tire of it, though, because that whole album was so good that every song got tons of play on the radio. It did a lot of singles.

Yeah, Nijian and I, Devils Inside, New Sensation. What's the slow one? And you were there. We can live for a thousand years. Never tear us apart. Oh yeah, never tear us apart. That's it. Mystify.

Mistify. The title track. That album has no bad tracks. There's no bad songs. No bad tracks. I think out of the 12 songs on the album, we've just named like, yeah, oh, you see, yeah, 12 songs on the album. I get that right.

I bought, that's one of the only tapes I ever bought two of because my car ate the tape. Oh. What I think happened is my sister. Wendy, who was much younger then and not a therapist and super smart, just kind of a dumb kid then, spilled sprite on some tapes, and I think that one got some sprite on it, so it had sugary sticky to it. And I put that in the car. Oh, that sucks.

Yeah, and it just ate it. My car stereoed it. And I spent, I don't know, an hour digging tape out of my car stereo that I installed myself. Yeah. Remember those days? That's what you did. You put your own shit in.

Totally. You had to, basically, you pulled the tape out, and it would have a, you'd have a, you umbilical cord of actual magnetic tape taking it back into the uh the machine and you would basically have to figure out which side had some give and pull on that one until it until it finally came out and if it if both sides stalled then you just had to say okay i'm going to cut this one and hope that it makes the other one come through yeah and if it was gone and even if you did let's say i've had it a couple times where it ate just a bit of it you pull it back in yeah there was no way that when you got to the, I don't know, hip to be square on the, on the freaking album,

Kiwi Lewis, sports album or whatever. Oh, no, that was a different album. Or four, that was four. That was four. But when you got to that song, it would always be like, it's hip to be square. Right. It was never right. And really, there's songs like that that I have either a skip on the CD.

Yes, folks, CDs could skip. Yeah, they can. Or a, or blug in the tape that now when I hear the song, I still wait for that. that imperfection to happen. Oh, because you heard it so much, yeah. Because I heard it so much as a kid that it's like, oh, yeah, no, that song will always have that gru-hrie right there in that middle part,

or it'll automatically skip or replay that second bit. Yeah, this is the problem with, you were talking about taxi and the laugh track where there's certain noises where you hear them every time. Yeah. Once you hear them, you're so screwed. You're just screwed forever, you know? Yeah, and I've been thinking so much about that damn taxi thing

because in watching it, there are times that it does not feel like it's got a laugh track, right? Because you've got like this sporadic laughter where it doesn't seem like somebody would put laughter in. Just like one person just kind of laughing at Reverend Jim walking into the, hello everybody, walking into the Sunshine Cab Company. And one guy, which is like if you're doing the laugh at, if you're doing the laugh I wouldn't think that you would put that in there. I wouldn't think so, but I think

they, it's such a mix, right? Because then you'll see scenes. That's the thing. Because I think there's live studio audience on the main set of the taxi cab place. Maybe? Just like there was, as far as I know, just like there was in cheers at the bar

and you had it in Seinfeld at the house or the apartment. But then they'd leave and any time they'd go anywhere, like let's say last night I'm watching the one where Kramer, they're doing him and Mickey, the little person are hired to do gigs where in the hospital they have to pretend like they have the

disease and then the interns have to try to figure out what disease it is so gonorrhea and all that and you can tell that when they're in cars or doing other stuff they're not in a place where an audience is yet the the laughter is still piped in and i can tell a difference between that and when they're home there's just something they may still fill stuff in with with fake laughter not fake laughter but canned laughter but you can hear stuff that would only happen if Kramer walked in and season five

and everybody lost their minds or you know what I mean so I don't know it's such a weird it's not a science but it's such a weird thing when we were doing laugh tracks predominantly in our sitcoms and I assume the ones that still have it today are still like that I don't know

I don't know yeah it's also funny that I know I know other sitcoms did it but the only one that can come to mind that actually starts with this show is filmed in front of a live studio audience so cheers is the only one i can think of i know there were other ones that did that but it was it is it like a disclaimer or a selling point like hey hey we're we're sugar-free you know kind of thing we're laugh track free here at cheers or is it like a you know hey uh if you hear anything weird it's because we filmed this front of a wide studio audience.

Yeah, and they even did. They even named. Oh, yeah, Laverted Shirley said that too at the beginning. Oh, yeah, they did too. They even named this, like, welcome back, the Jimmy Kimmel project that happened in 2019 to bring back old stuff, like the Jefferson's

cast and all that. They even call that. All the Norman Lear stuff. Yeah, they even call that live in front of a studio audience. So clearly that even the terminology has some cachet, but why was it ever like, like, were you at home, let's say you were at home and you were a kid and you heard Matt, you heard Carlos at the

beginning say cheers this film before live studio and did you go oh yeah like it's like oh whatever this show good or bad I like it because it was filmed in front of the live studio audience really odd to me now that you say it I never really thought of it that way but why did we care it's weird yeah well anyway I'm curious did I love lucy say that too I don't remember that they might have chatted Lucy I don't remember saying that um definitely live people there I remember seeing some behind the scenes shit. Well, in fact, I think that Ricky and Lucy movie showed

audiences and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was filmed in front of a live studio audience, but I don't remember them actually saying filmed in front of live studio. Matthew Sargent says it well. He says, it makes it sound like theater and theater is fancy. I guess so. Yeah. Did you imagine

hockey? Yeah, she was filmed in front of a live studio audience. Oh, man. They were all so mad about that. Everybody there that made that show, was so mad about the soundtrack having, or the laugh track having to be in there. But they couldn't. What are they going to do? Like, have a bunch of

people on bleachers sitting on the California heat watching this thing. There's no audio, like, you're not going to be able to record an audience up there. No, no wonder they were annoyed, because it's as fake as you can get. And then, all right, everybody, no laughing because we're in the operating room.

No laughing in here. No laughing in here. You can hear something funny, but no laughing. Yeah, this is serious. While we're in here, serious business takes place. Some strange choices made in that show, for sure. Yeah, they really were, yeah. But somehow, despite it all, still one of the best shows ever made.

So there's that. For sure. We got a quick review of the creator. The creator. Yeah. Yeah. Tell me. Dude, I am so happy to have a science fiction thing.

I mean, it's not out of nowhere. Obviously, you've been hearing about this movie for a couple months, or I have anyway, for previews and stuff. but um uh not a reboot not a sequel not a franchise film just this like really solid borderline hard sci-fi um kind of thing and uh i saw an article i didn't read it but i just saw the headline the engagement farming of the huffington post the huff po saying uh the creator is the a i film we don't need right now and it's it's it's a different i mean all right It's AI. It's artificial intelligence, but it's like a, it's not the chat GPT, you know, it's, it's a, it's a different thing. It's the same thing, but it's a different thing. It's AI in the same way that, that Haley Joel Osman's character, the AI movie, is AI. Yeah, or freaking data getting his emotion chip or a billion stories. I robot for that matter. Exactly. We don't mean this AI film.

Shut out, dude. Huff Po. Exactly. Yeah, and I'm sure two-thirds of the Huffington Post writes their articles using AI. But it's, it's directed by Gareth Edwards really, God, it is so freaking good. It is, this is a movie, see it in theaters if you can, see it in a good theater. Don't see it in an AMC theater, unless you can be like Nicole Kidman and have the whole theater to yourself and experience the joy and the heartbreak, which even feels good in a place like this. it's you have to know

you have to know that reference yeah it's the kind of the the the story is basically it's it's humans versus AI

AI kind of did a thing where they took over an exploded nuclear bomb asterisk in Los Angeles and America and most of the world

has outlawed AI however China is is still okay with AI and actually is harboring all of these robots and cyborgs and things like that over there. And there's kind of a war going on between the U.S. and China over this AI. And they're kind of all going after this creator named Nirmata and trying to find who this creator is that apparently is in charge of all the AI, the AI leader.

That's true, Chiefies Travis, not China, New Asia, but... Oh, New Asia. Okay, we're far-flung then, future-wise. Where are we? Do we know? No, it's like 2040-something. Okay. 20-55 is the year.

So not super far-flung, but we'll still be hopefully alive in 255, and we can say, hey, this is when that movie the creator was supposed to take place. You always hope, right? I want to be there for Blade Runner 2049.

I want to be able to say, hey, this is that year. Here's that year. And that's probably a good comparison. It feels like the the sci-fi level of Blade Runner 2049. That the look,

the feel there, obviously, because of the nuclear attack, there's a lot of post-apocalypse feeling, but it's New Asia. And so there's this incredible like tie and and a Chinese kind of fusion look to everything, fusion with kind of future technology.

The technology, like the robot design, the spaceship design, there is a giant machine, kind of a tank in this thing. The design of these things is so freaking incredible. I love the heads with like the big hole through it. Yes, almost like a projector, like a, yeah. home projector on a on a body the um and the best thing about this film is uh is this little girl holy shit that was sturgill simpson i didn't realize sturgle simpson was in this alison janey's in this uh jemma chan ken ken wadanabi is fantastic but i'm really curious as to who the who plays

um sturgle simpson that's great sturgle simpson here we go madeline yuna um this is the uh you see this this kind of is one of the main characters in the film it's this uh little girl that um uh that the main characters is trying to protect or or capture or hold on to again i want to be very vague so i don't uh sure uh give anything away but she is freaking incredible and um i'm hoping the academy doesn't overlook a uh uh sci-fi film like this when they're looking at um um best actress or best supporting actress for something like this because she is absolutely incredible that's great i want to see it i like gareth edwards a lot i really liked uh rogue one i really liked his godzilla movie i think that dude makes cool movies and uh he seemed really excited the big

one of the big things around it was um the whole thing was filmed on a three thousand dollar sony camera that oh really this this was yeah yeah so it's a nice camera i mean three grand is no small money but for a big big feature thing like this is kind of crazy apparently he loves this thing so much he's just about humping it everywhere he goes he loves that camera so i don't know if there are multiples of it probably but he was just raven and i don't remember the model or i'd tell people but there was some whole thing about it about this camera that just was amazing and you couldn't believe how good it was and it was smaller and uh i can't remember what it is yeah graham it wasn't just a it wasn't just a d lsr it's it's an actual

It's a camera meant for filmmaking, and it's digital, but I cannot remember the name of the damn thing. Anyway, that was just a whole thing. Every interview he's talking about that camera for some reason. The cinematographer is Greg Frazier, who does the cinema or did the cinematography, I believe, for Dune. Definitely is doing it for Dune, too. Did he do it for Dune? Oh, I don't know. Part one.

The Batman, Dune, yes. There he is right there. So he, cinematography. Australian cinematography cinematographer who did Rogue One and Dune so he's always worked with or frequently works with Greg Frasier.

He's Australian? Did he do Fury Road by any chance? Let's just name all. Let's just get all those mentions out of the way now. No, he did not. Ah, shit. That's okay because that movie's amazing and I'm sure it looks as good as anything he would have done. So there you go. Yeah, exactly. He did a few episodes of the Mandalorian

cinematography. He won best cinematographer for Dune. I was also nominated for Lion. Yeah, so. I want to see it. This is, it's fantastic. If you can, and this is me just saying, go to it. If you've got an Alamo Draft House near you, you're very lucky.

Take advantage of it. Go see it there. Or see it during a showing where you can, you know, maybe be away from people. If you do see it like an AMC or a regal or something like that. Is it an IMAX deal or no? Oh, you know, I don't know. We saw it on what they call it, we saw it 30 millimeter, 70 million, I can't remember what the big show is at Alamo Draft House. The big show, what the size is.

Because that's bigger than a usual screen, right? It is. It is, it's not as big as IMAX, but it's massive. It is, yes, yes, allow. Allow. Yes, you can, you can allow. Allow them in my location. Give me some cookies.

Exactly. Allow it. Here's some cookies. Let's see. At least 66 feet wide. It doesn't say what, yeah, it doesn't say what the film size is. Well, for those who are on pins and needles about what camera I meant, TVs Travis found it. It's a Sony FX3.

is the name of the camera. Ah, cool. And it sounds like something almost anybody can afford, but Gareth Edwards, I think he might marry that camera the way he was talking about. Listen,

if this is what he can turn out if he marries his camera, I will come to that wedding and I'll even look at where they're registered and get them a nice gift. Nice. Because, yeah, this thing, it's a gorgeous, gorgeous film.

I've heard comparisons to, not content-wise, but comparisons to District 9 in that it was like this revelatory like wow someone's got fresh ideas about a sci-fi film about exactly and about this kind of artificial intelligence for sure very very easily comparable to that sort of thing and even

what's another movie I mean AI AI colon artificial intelligence isn't that what the movie's called like that's they give you the initials and then the oh I don't know maybe what was the Spielberg was it was a called AI or was it called AI artificial intelligence like ETV extraterrestrial they made the A and the eye real big because they made the eye was the silhouette of the kid was the was Haley Joel

Osmond yeah it's just called AI okay but anyway very like if you enjoyed kind of the representation of how robots would function in a society and kind of be part of it as they're as they're just kind of accepting it this one is this one's beyond that where where these full size robots are parts of the military and parts of the police force and members of the family and that sort of thing. I'm excited. It's good. Go see the creator and go see it on the biggest screen you can. Seems like a no-brainer.

I'm definitely going to see it. Probably this week, I think, if we can just carve out some time. What else? So we have dates for TMS Vegas next year, guys. We do. Yes, I have a contract in hand. Whoa. Yeah, that's not it.

That's not it. because it's a PDF, sorry. So it's not really technically. I think I have it. Oh, wait, that's a different contract. Oh, that's, that looked important. Oh. That kind of was actually.

It's all right. Anyway, so if you need to start requesting time off for TMS Vegas for next year for April, 20, 23, 24. Because 23 is the year we're in now, April 2024. Yep. Um, start, start making plans, uh, April 29th, 30th and May 1st. That's the Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. So far, that's the plan for the official events. Um, Scott and I are, are needing to talk to see if we, if we have enough things for a fourth day. But we'll talk offline about that. It also depends on if there's involvement of other, other properties. There's stuff happening. There's things happening, people. Things happening. It's exciting. But at the very least, plan on those three days being in Vegas, fly out the day before, fly out the day after, or a couple days after, if you like, so you can spend some time sitting in that big, stinky ball in the desert with 20,000 of your stinkiest friends.

I want to see whatever that freaking Aronovsky thing is. Yeah, I do too. Because I didn't know, I saw a preview video thing. I sent it to you. There's some science fiction shit going on. He doesn't do that. no it's it's gorgeous like the the film in there and like what they can do in that curve screen and stuff oh yeah i want to see it screw you too i want to see a science fiction badass movie in there is what i want uh anyway so april 29

april 30th and may first are the official three days um and we'll see if there's a need for fourth day and if there is we'll extend it on the um on the back end so it'll be uh may second we'll be be added on there the Thursday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. We'll bring Justin Timberlake there on May 1st to sing. It's got to be May. That's good. I was the you, Jonathan Colton. He's probably a little too rich for our blood these days, but...

Sure. He's too busy cruising, and then I don't know what, making albums, I guess, when he's not cruising. I don't know. I don't know if he's made an album. He's still doing that... Is he still doing the music for that NPR? Oh. not wait wait don't tell me but it's a different a different show i don't know if he's still got that

gig he might he doesn't do i don't think that podcast with him hodgeman and the the judge john hodgman thing that he would occasionally come on and do music for i don't think that's on anymore i think that went away i'm not sure oh and the mpr show's gone says red fraggle not radio lab radio lab didn't have him on there yeah i don't think he's doing any of that stuff anymore if he's like me the older you get the less shit you want to do yeah Right, exactly. You know? I don't know.

Let him have, let him enjoy his time. If you don't need to, why create all that extra stress for yourself? Yeah, what are you doing? You're past your moment there anyway. Let's get to Babbel Royale. Today's the half-assed edition. Yeah. And, you know, I just realized.

We need Brian for that. Yeah, I just realized I've got to click that and make that happen or else he ain't coming. Right. Yeah, there's something physically you have to do. Yeah, he can't insert himself into the conversation. I have to insert him into it. And now we're doing it. insert him.

That music signifies that Brian Dunaway has walked into the building and is now here. Hi, Brian Dunaway. No, I's gotten Brian, and thank you for inserting me. I appreciate it. No problem. You went in easy. I don't know what the deal is there. Well, I've been, I'm all looped up there.

I didn't want to say it. I was trying to figure out a way to say it. And I was like, you know what? You just went for it. No, it's fine. Just go for the words. exactly just just it's Monday let it hang out anyway you're here we're going to do this thing this what I'm trying to do let it hang out oh Brian I'm going to explain this contest who our potential

winners are all that stuff Brian take it away I'll do that while Scott logs into the game oh shit welcome to the morning half asses a trivia game where I'm actually going to be giving you the answers I'll give Scott and Brian a category and six possible answers three of which are correct and three that are just like Scott's ability to get into the half ass his game, woefully inadequate. Depending on how confident they feel with a category, they can provide one, two, or three guesses. But if they get any wrong, they get zero points for that round.

One right gets you a point. Two right gets you three points. And three right gets you five points. And if you get all, I'm sorry, if you get the most points after three rounds, you win the prize for your contestant. Contestants are pulled from members of the tadpool that aren't able to be here. Live. Scott, you're going to be playing for Josh Helton in Lafayette, Indiana.

Nice. And Brian, you're playing for Nick Diarico in Worcester mass. Worcester. Oh, it's better mass. Or Worcester, if you want to pronounce it worse. What was his name again? Rick what? Nick Diarico.

Why is it so... Rick what? I thought it was Rick, yeah. Nick Diarico. You know what? He sounds like a wrestler. That's what it is. Oh, he sounds like the drummer for a heavy metal band. Rick Deerico.

Yeah, Nick Deerico. Who's drummed for metabolism? Who's drumming for metabolism? Calica this week. Exactly. Oh, it's Nick Deerica. Wow. All right, let's give you your questions, and we're starting off with a listener contribution.

This is one that was sent in by Jeffrey Hart, who gives us this. That sounds like a wrestler, too. Yeah, it does. And it does. Jeffrey Hart. The show Gunsmoke ran from 1955 to 1975, which of these actors or actresses were a guest star on the show, and then later starred on MASH. So which of these were MASH actors, actresses who first got their appearance or made an appearance,

cameo appearance on Gunsmoke? So it's not necessarily their start in their career. It just they happen to be there. No, exactly. They could have done a lot of things before this. Your choices are Loretta Swit, Jamie Farr, Harry Morgan, Mike Farrell, William Christopher, and Wayne Rogers. Okay. It's crazy we talked about MASH this way.

Wayne Rogers. I know. I didn't even think about that. So three of these, eh? I'm going to go for it. I'm going for it. Go for it. All right.

You both locked in. Harry Morgan, good choice for both of you because, yeah, he, I mean, the dude was all over television prior to MASH. So he absolutely did make an appearance on Gunsmoke. Wayne Rogers, good job, Scott. Trapper John was also an actor who appeared on Gunn Smoke. That's what she said. Very good. However, Jamie Farr and.

Mike Farrell, I just realized that far, like, you can spell far in Farrell as well. Look at that. Oh, weird. Weird, dude. You just blew my mind. Both wrong, by the way. Loretta Switt is the third person who appeared on Vincemo.

Makes sense. Oh, I even do that. I can see her in, oh, gee. You could, and it was kind of even in the question, why would we put Loretta Swit as the only female in this thing and say which actors and I just were a guest star on the show? Ah, shit. later start on MASH, but...

Good thing you went for it, Scott. Yeah, good thing I went for it. Anyway, that's all right. You guys are both zero points. Coming into question number two, let's go to newer television, shall we? No, we're not. We're going with music.

Australian bands. I guess we're ending with television. My cards were in a different order here. Australian bands. Which of these bands are Australian? Kaja Gugu, the Hives, tame Impala, split ends, Savage Garden, and Midnight Oil.

Okay, no one for sure. I feel like I know one, and then I'm like you're going to say, You're so stupid. I need to think about this. Brian, have you already locked in? Yeah, I'm. Have I locked in? Yeah.

You haven't locked in. No, I'm locking in now. All right, Brian's locked in now. There's that make you feel like if I lock in? I'm going to feel like you can. I have a kind of a guess. I'm doing two. If I do three, I'll lose, so two.

Okay. All right. So, you guys both went with midnight oil. Yep, absolutely. Midnight oil for sure. Blue sky mine and Beds are burning. Beds are burning.

I watched that video recently and I was like holy crap. When's the last time you watched that video? It's a long time. It's been a minute. It's very political. Hey, Savage Garden. Also Australian. Good job. I score though, because you both picked Midd Outoil and Savage Garden.

Oh, look at that. Split ends is from New Zealand. I wasn't positive about Tima Pala, but God, I love Taman Pala. That's one of my favorites. Yeah, Tame Impala from Australia is well. Split ends from New Zealand, although sometimes people say, well, you know, New Zealand's so close to Australia. No, no, no, no.

And neither's crowded house. Kajagugu's from the UK and the hives are from Sweden. I thought Kajagugu was a big old fat lie of didn't exist. It's a hush, hush. No, I'm sorry. I won't say it anymore. You're too shy, shy. Anyway, all right, let's get to our last.

one-hit wonder? You could argue it. I think yes because the only other hit was a solo hit for LaMalle, the themed song to the Neverending Story. Okay. But I can't think of it another Kaja Gougu song that ever

graced the top 40 Billboard top 40. And I'm going to forgive myself or not knowing a one hit wonder. Go ahead. You can figure yourself, although I'm glad you didn't choose them because they're not Australian. Now let's get to some newer television. You guys have a chance on this one. Actors who

played the U.S. vice president on television. Which of these actors played the U.S. vice president on television? Your choices are Kevin Spacey, Tim Daly, Gary Cole, James Cromwell, Glenn Close, and Julia Louis Dreyfus.

Okay. Gary Cole? Yeah. I know the reference there, but I think it would be incorrect. I've never seen this one show, but I thought that's who he was playing, but... I'm locking with two. because the rest of these, two of these are movies. I'm 100% sure are they're movies.

That's what I'm thinking too. But it's on movies, we go to TV. I don't know. I'm locking in, too. For television shows, not movies that happen to be also streaming on your television. Right.

Right. All right, you guys locked in. Neither of you were fooled by the Kevin Spacey thing. Yeah, on House of Cards. He's absolutely started as vice president. So did Julie Wee Dreyfus. She did end up being Veep on Veep. Oh, that's right.

I totally forgot about Scott and Glenn Close did not play but only only on movies Gary Cole is the third one for the West Wing

which I'm kind of amazed that Scott didn't say Yeah I thought Gary Cole I thought Gary Cole was a trick because I didn't think he got that high up I thought he was I guess that was toward the end that Gary Cole was VP but I remember him being more like

advisory and I don't know. I'll be honest with you. When I saw Gary Cole, I read Gary Coleman. And I thought it was a fill-way. I watched different strokes. He was never a different vice president. They would have made a whole different, both a whole different Brady Bunch movie and a whole different office space.

Yeah. I can name. So I can come in for work on Saturday. What you're talking about? What you're talking about? I would actually, so I can actually guess some of these. Glenn Close was from Air Force One vice president, right? Right, right. James Cromwell, vice president in clear and present danger?

Or maybe he was the president. That one I don't know. Or just never president at all. I also don't have these on my list. So you might be getting his right. You might be getting him wrong. I have no way. Tim Daly.

Tim Daly, I have zero idea on that. I don't know where he did. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So you're telling me you're not an expert on the topic of each of these questions. No, Brian doesn't know every single one of these? No, of course not. No, I didn't write them. Are you kidding me?

What are you nuts? What do you think? You think who's a good host example? None of these hosts, no shit. You think Bob Barker knows the actual retail price of a manna radar range? No, but you never seen the smugness on the Jeopardy? I mean, Alex Trebek. Alex Trebek is a rare, yeah.

I mean, and following, you know, in his footsteps, Mind Bealeck and Ken Jennings. They know, they know the answers. They know enough of them, and if they don't know them, they really, look like they do. So wait, wait, wait. Are you saying, are you telling me that our show here? I'm telling you, Richard Dawson did not know how many people said loaf of bread for something they always buy at the grocery store.

Wait, I kept thinking this was highbrow art quizzes. You're telling me that we're Richard Dawson level? Yeah, oh yeah. You got to kiss us or we got to kiss you. Exactly, exactly. Listen, until I get my long, long microphone, weirdly long microphone. I'm not to rethink my life right now Those microphones are a lost art, man

We've got to bring those back Those are cool Podcasting our next level What was the point in the length And the skinniness of it Was it because they didn't want to get any closer to people than that? Is that what was the? I think it's just so that they wouldn't have their hands

In front of their mouths When they're doing their show They could kind of keep their hand at like stomach level And you know Ben did over to talk to the starlet in match game location number four. Yeah, yeah. I got you.

Yeah. So not a phallic symbol at all. Well, I don't think so. I think Brian's 100% right. And Lavaliers just got better. So now we don't need them. They did. So I-Corps says the host of Match Game invented the long mic.

You're saying that, wait, wait, wait, wait. You're saying that Gary, no, shit, what's his name? I had it in my head and then it just completely farted out. Hold on, match game with who's the host. I'll look it up. Mark.

No, no, hold on. Gene Rayburn. Gene Rayburn. You're saying that Gene Rayburn invented the skinny mic. I mean, because really, it's just the wand part, does it have any electronics in it, right? It's just... Sure. The wires go up and the wires go up in there.

By that measure, it does have electronics in that the wires go up. Yeah, the wires go up in it. Would you say that, would you call wires electronics? Sure you would. Sure you would. Electrons go through. them. I can buy, I could buy them at Radio Shack. Are they not electronics? They're electronics. I can buy a lot of things at Radio Shack that weren't electronics. Are you telling me that

stick of gum I bought from Radio Shack was electronics? Those don't count. Those are like, let me get some more money out of you before you leave items. Those don't count. Like, you can do that anywhere. Everywhere's got that kind of rack. But if you, wires are absolutely electronics. If they carry electrons in them, well, then that means we're electronics. So, hold on. And you think that, and that's why you think they call them electronics. Okay, not everything sold at Circuit City is a circuit. Okay, fine.

I'll concede. They're an electronics component. How's that? There you go. A component of electronics. There you go. Brian solved the problem. Done away you lose both ways.

You lost here and you lost there. But are you sure that the wire actually goes through the wand? I'm going to say yes. Definitely, definitely sure because the, um, uh, they, Otherwise, they'd stick out the top and he'd just be like, it would be like he's doing a Olympic ribbon dance with that thing. Confirmed, by the way, he did invent the long, thin microphone he carried on the show, Gene Rayburn. He also became known for the occasional verbal bunder.

Did he have a germaphobe? Okay, right? No, I don't know. I don't know. He became known for the occasional verbal blunder. Interviewing a contestant and meaning to compliment her dimples, he looked at her face and said, you have the most beautiful nipples I have ever seen. Wow.

Oh, I remember that. That was a thing. That was a thing for a while. That guy's a weirdo. Real quick. Electronics. Scientific and engineering discipline that studies and applies the principles of physics to design, create, and operate devices that manipulate electrons and other electrically charged particles. Wiring is in this list.

Take that, done away. All right. Done away. You too. Are you electronics? Yes, because we carry stuff. No you. No you. What? Hold on. I can't find the...

I can't find his thing to hang up on him. What? You? Okay. Damn. Who is our big winner there? Did we say their name again? Oh, yeah. So, Nick Diarico, you're getting Lust from Beyond, M edition. And Josh Helton, or Hilton, you are getting the big prize, Remnants of Nazeth and Stigian, Rain of the Old Ones.

both on Steam. A very serious affair, all of these, except for less from beyond, which we played as a joke on core. It's a shooter, puzzle game. It's a first-person shooter with a bunch of puzzle elements where you're kind of stuck in hell,

and occasionally people are, demons are like doing it. So just know that going in. People are doing it. Oh, that sounds horrible. I certainly won't play that. And the M edition, I think, means more mature even. I'm sure it is.

I'm sure it's the, yes, exactly. so you see softcore pornography with your demons. Yeah, that's basically it. All right. Well, that was great. Enjoyed that. Let's do a quick news story, and we'll call that good. Here's this.

I don't watch the news. This single piece of news is brought to you by. The FrogPants Discord Community or Disord Community at frogpans.com slash discord. Everyone is welcome. Yeah, nobody need not come there. You all can come there. You all need come. You all need come. Wait, what? Never say that again.

Yeah, come in there. We like that place a lot and there's lots of talk and discussion and, you know, these things like our electronics include wire or whatever. That'll end up being something people talk about all day to day because that's what they do in there. Oh, yes, exactly. Yes. Argue over the, argue over the inclusion of wiring in electronics, please. Yeah, go in there and get that done. We'd love to have you. A quick story here. This is a story about, this is a story about some sheep. A herd of sheep. I like that you went there instead of Will of Will Smith and DJ Jazzy Jeff.

Oh, here is the story. All of you. I could have done that. A herd of sheep eats 100 kilograms of cannabis in Greece. Oh no. Yeah.

This happened in Greece. So, Grecians. Is that what they're called? I don't know. Yeah, they are called Grecians. Are they? Okay. And they have a formula.

Yep. Yeah. A herd of sheep grazing in the semi-floated plane of Thessaly. Or is that Thessaly? That's Thessaly. Thessaly. Greece invaded the greenhouse that was cultivating medicinal cannabis and ate around 100 kilograms, reports say.

I'm not doing the math. So whatever that is in U.S. pounds per foot or whatever. No, it's best that we don't. It gets us one step closer to accepting their weird space measurements. I know, right? We can't be doing that. We can't do that. I mean, I secretly already have.

Where's Dr. Nicky when we need her on this, by the way? Oh, no kidding. needs to tell us about the cannabis sheep. How can the what do? Okay, she'll she'll write in now or call in Nicky yes. Oh yeah, call us and leave us a leave us a voicemail.

We love hearing from her. So if you have any thoughts on sheep, high on weed, we'd love to hear about it. This happened near a town in Almeros in Malayas. Almeros. Almeros. In Magnesia. Sure. Yeah. They have milk there. Milk of?

Yes. As the sheep in Greece develop Sheep in Greece. I know why that's funny. The sheep in Greece developed strange behavior shortly after grazing. The shepherd realized that the sheep had eaten a large part of this cannabis crop. The owner of the greenhouse saw that his production would have already been heavily damaged by Storm Daniel. Storm Daniel.

Yeah. Not to be confused with Storm Daniels. Yeah. Or Stormy Daniels. Or Stormy Daniels. That's right. I forget she had a Y in her name. She did.

She sure did. Had now been consumed by the sheep and were struggling to find fresh grass due to of floods. I don't know if it's for laughing or crying, he says. We had a heat wave and we lost a lot of production. We had the floods. We lost almost everything and now this. The herd entered the greenhouse and ate

what was left. I don't know what to say honestly, says this Grecian man. He's very sad. He's very sad. You can hear it in his quote. Yeah. Yeah, he's very great. I'd like I'd like a rack of lamb, please. Sounds all right.

Have it eat that. smoked, like a smoked wreck of lamb from this guy. He should have said, this is Sparta and kicked a sheep. Just booed to the sheep. This is madness. Yeah, this is madness. This is Sparta. Boom.

I saw a great, somebody, you know, that meme never got old. And I saw one where after he kicks the dude, it's all in slow motion. And that guy starts to fall. And it cuts back to Gerard Butler's face. Somebody edited in perfectly. And I mean photo perfect, video perfectly added in him, holding up a cell phone doing the P sign and taking a selfie. Oh my gosh.

Do you see what happened just down? Look at this. Do you see this? Yeah. Do you see it happening on my screen? Oh, no. It looks normal on Zoom. Okay.

So only people in here are seeing it. So the new gestures thing for Sonoma. Yeah. Let you put up thumbs down, up down, whatever. Right now there's a rainstorm with the two thumbs down. And if I do two thumbs up, I get like fireworks, I think. Yep, there it goes. Oh, that's cool.

So there's a bunch of gesture recognition stuff in the new thing. And I thought I turned it all off, but I guess I haven't. That's really cool. Every once in a thing. It's weird because on core, they saw it in there, but maybe you have to tell it where to show it. Maybe. I don't know. Interesting.

No, that's cool. I need to play around a little bit more with Sonoma. Pretty happy so far. Yeah. It's been good. Oh, here it is. Reactions. Okay, so, Brian, do you see this on Zoom? Hold on.

There we go. Oh, there we go. That's crazy. Yeah. So thumb up. So thumb up just gives you thumb up. Thumb down gives you... It takes a little longer.

A lot of them. Two of them gives you the rainstorm. Oh, geez. Wow. Yeah, that's sad news. And then if you do... Does the double bird do anything? No, I tried.

First thing I tried. No, circle... This doesn't do anything because it also means white supremacy now, right? Does it really? I think so. There was another one. There's like eight of these. And I don't remember the other one.

one. How did I just do the... Was it this? No, it's piece. Here we go. Yeah, flip it around the other one. There you go. Yeah, so we get confetti. Oh, you get confetti. What's cool is it goes, like most of it goes behind you, then a little bit in front of you. Oh, balloons, one piece, sign you of the balloons.

Yeah, that's pretty cool, right? That's really cool. Yeah, I like it. I'm impressed with it. It also has other cool stuff like Portrait Mode. Oh, it's not doing it now. It is for you, but anyway. Anyway, so there you go.

We're going to take a break. When we come back from this break, we're going to spend some time with everyone's favorite science pal, Bobby Frankenberger. All right? Cool. So prepare your minds and your bodies

for electron transfer coming up with Bobby right soon. He will correct us on many of the things that we've said on today's show. He very well may. But between now and then, let's play a song. What do you got?

Yeah. So Rising Singer-songwriter, Addison Grace, has released his solo album, which is called diving lessons. Big thanks to AWOL Records. This thing was co-produced and recorded by Cave Towns, Robin Skinner in London. And this is so good.

This is the first single from the album. It's called Pessimistic. Here is Addison Grace. I'm not trying to be pessimistic. I just need a little help reminding myself. to eat sometimes I've been stuck in bed all day and making it my only

personality trait I'm not Taylor I'm not Phoebe I'll write this song It'll have no meaning But I'll still find a way to cry to it Because life's become this pity party And somehow I'm the VIP

I'm on the guest list and it looks like crying and dancing I want to be more than my father ever was never kiss a girl and take her home if I'm only here to fuck things up because I've learned some people are flawed only here to make things worse I'm not trying to be personalistic

I'm not trying to be Has some mistake Sometimes when my head's in space I swear I see the God that Everyone's crying to When talking about It kind of looks just like my mom So I guess it kind of looks like me

If you turn your head the right way So I take after her Recently, the good days only bring relief. Change the flowers while I'm conscious, maybe take a steamy bubble bath. Cause I've learned some days are just flat, only here to make things worse. But I'm not trying to be pessimistic.

I'm not trying to be pessimistic. I'm not trying to be pessimistic I'm not trying to be no I'm not trying to be Some days don't get better And some dads don't remember And sometimes you can't put yourself back together

Some days don't get better And some dads don't remember And sometimes you can't put yourself back together In some days And some days And sometimes I'm not trying to be personal mistakes I'm not trying to be

personal mistake I'm not trying to be personal mistake The fresh air that I'm breathing at present. This is like a gamer's ride, dog. Hey, we're back. Who was that one more time? Sure.

That's Addison Grace, a brand new song called Pessimistic from his new album, Diving Lessons, just came out and is really, really good. That sounds great. Yeah. Congratulations to him and them for their success. By the way, when you, you know, when you listeners out there, you really like a song, you know, tweet it out and include if you can find their social media stuff, include them in it. Let them know you heard them on TMS and it helps us get more songs from that label, from that artist. And it also just makes them feel good that new people have

discovered their stuff. Yeah, so many of you write in and say, oh, I love this song. Go out there and blast it to him and let them know. Yeah, put them on blast. Oh, wait, don't do that. Wait, don't put them on blast. Don't put them on blast. That's a different thing. Yeah, put them on this though. Science! Bob is hungry and the soup looks good. Well, then he should eat it. Bobby, welcome to the show. Welcome to Bobby, everyone. This is Bobby, and he's welcoming himself here now. Hi, Bobby. How are you? I'm doing great. I don't know where I was going there. It's good to have you back. How's things in the science world and your world?

Things are going great. By the way, I will now be answering to Captain Bobby. Yes, congratulations. You got your thing. Is that really the title? If you can fly a plane, you've got a license, you're a captain. So I looked it up because I needed to know. Yeah, yeah. Captain is not like one of these bestowed titles by virtue of like, you know how like a doctor or Esquire or something like that. And you don't have to like get some kind of a degree or honorific bestowed upon you.

A captain is just anyone. who is in charge of some vessel like an airplane or a boat so you can if you're driving driving do you drive boats if you're I'm a boat driver

if you're piloting a boat on a lake if you're the one who's manipulating the controls I guess you can call yourself a captain you can call yourself whatever you want did you say to your dear dude that gave you your captain ship and signed off did you say I'm the captain now or look at me I wish I would have thought about

Did you say, Ahoy? Oh, no, that would be boats. Darn it. He said, look out below. Did you say, did you say? If you look out the right window, you'll find your diploma. Oh, right.

I love it. Now that's how you have to talk, because you are the cat. Yeah, that's true. From now on, that's what we want our science. Yeah. And during my segment now from now on, I'll be having the seatbelt lights turned on. You'll have to, you'll need to put your tray tables in their upright. It probably has turned off the seatbelt signs.

You're now free to move about the podcast. Well, before we get to, congratulations, A, B, before we get to some scientific talk, you're clipping a little bit on the high end. Can you turn your volume? Am I? Okay, let me fix that. It's not. I probably bumped this up. That's probably a lot better.

That is a lot better. It's a little, yeah. Is it still high? A little high. Still a little clippy, but, yeah. That's better. It's an easy slide. Oh, much better.

Yeah, much better. Put it there, and then we can turn your volume up. You can adjust here, yeah. yeah it's uh it's one of those sliders and i haven't saved the position of it yet in the settings but um and if i put if something knocks it over here i was doing a i had my daughter record something with me the other day and uh and she i think she probably just bumped into it and knocked it up so what you do when you're a kid it's your job yeah you bump into stuff yeah i get that uh well great way quit saying sliders because i'm really hungry right i know right oh it sounds great

A slider? A good slider? Sliders sounds so good. Some kind of happy hour thing where they're cheaper. Yeah. It's one of those words. It's one of those words. You know how there's just words that mean different things to different people depending on what they do? Sliders.

I would never think of food. I only think of. Man, when I was a kid, like talking 12, 13, 14, there was a place in Denver called Sliders and Nails, because that's the slang term for burger and fries. I'm going to go get a slider and nails, man. Ooh, I love it. Love it. Sliders and nails.

I would eat that now. Seems forced. Like they're trying to make fetch a thing, basically, is what you're saying. I could see that. Well, what's going on in the science world? I feel like my brain needs to be filled with something cool and learning. Well, before we get to that, just real fast, you say I always correct things that you guys do. But I do try to, I'm not correcting anything, but I do listen and try to think, is there any way I can use

my powers of research to help the live studio audience thing yeah yeah um it was as far as my 10 minutes of Googling could find um it was uh it was considered a badge of honor so to speak people were shows were bragging about it oh the live studio audience yeah because in the 50s through the 70s um it became well known that shows used laugh tracks um so and canned laughter um so they wanted to brag that they were not using that and uh but apparently it was also like a a bogus badge of honor because they would use a live studio audience and then when the laughter wasn't good enough they would go back and fill it up with oh really oh hilarious wow well that became that definitely became the practice because that's all these shows did in the 80s and 90s is fill it in

yeah exactly augment their uh actual laughter with or do it entirely like you know mash is a good example, but you know, things like the Jetsons and the Flintstones always cracked me up because not because they were funny, but because I'm like, why is there a laugh track in this cartoon? There's no literally no audience for it.

Right. Who's watching Fred Flintstone right now that's laughing that we're hearing? Yeah, it's such cool crap. They should use AI now to generate realistic laughter. They could do it. You know they could do it. Oh, we're giving them ideas we shouldn't. That's fine. Whatever. What I did come with this

week was something you asked me to look up the last time I was on. Oh, what's that? Which was about cell phones in your dreams. Do you remember? Oh, yeah, because I, I, uh, the, the claim was that nobody's ever, you never see cell phones in your dreams. And I had thought long and hard about it, and I have never seen a cell phone, smartphone, any sort of portable communication device in my dream. Wow. Yeah. So I promised I would, I would look into it for at least 30 minutes and see if there was, There were any legs to the idea. And I did find some stuff. So I thought we'd, uh, why, why don't we see cell phones in our dreams?

Yeah, what's up? What's the deal with that, Bobby? What's the deal with cell phones? Um, so the, first of all, many people actually do see cell phones in their dreams. Um, there, there is this thing that exists called, so lots of people do dream and sleep research. Um, some of it, bogus, some of it very serious. Um, but, uh, but there is a database called the sleep and dream database. And what it is is it's a collection of people's descriptions of their dreams that have been taken over many, many years, and they're categorized in different ways.

And all this, it's a searchable database you can actually go through and look for different things like mentions of different emotions or different colors or different pieces of technology or different events or something like that and see how many people have reported that were. sampled and it's um the people that were sampled or something like like i think it's like 20 to 30 000 people in this currently in this sample but they're continuing to collect data and you can see how many people have mentioned these different things okay in their in their recounting of their dreams and if you look through this sleep and dream database you actually find that about three point five five percent of people according to that database do uh do mention cell phones in their dreams. It's a very low percentage, though.

It's, well, it seems low, doesn't it? Yeah, it strikes me as low. What's got the highest percentage just for comparison? Oh, yeah. So that's, there's, Brian's always asking the important questions. He's got that, that's his brain. That's analytical mind. That's skeptical mind.

Sure. So it's actually more, so when you look at other types of technology, because you can have this database just list types, like technology things, right? And if you look at other types of technology, then cell phones are actually the most of all those different types of technology. Wow. So there's percentages like they're doing percentages even smaller than that of things like fax machines.

And I'd love to meet the person that still dreams a fax machine. I'm dreaming. I'm a huge fax. They've got things like mentions of movies, videos, computers, radios, cameras, television, stuff like that, right? And cell phones are our highest up on that, 3.55%.

And the next highest one is movies at 3.18%. And then below that, 1.26% is video. I'm not going to list all of them, I promise. But that just gives you an idea of the low percentage of things that are technological in general that are mentioned. But just

just the mention of things is not going to be that so it seems low but it's not that bad because just the mention of different things is low remember that or not remember i guess i haven't told you the way that they um the way that these are categorized is people go in and write descriptions of their dreams it's a self-reported thing so it has to not just be that a cell phone existed in their dream but it has to be notable for them to want to mention it right right so And you said it's the same group, right, that is doing, like it's, it's not like a crowd share kind of report your dreams kind of thing. This is like a vetted group that. Yeah, there's a lot of different sources, but they're pretty, it's not just like an open website that anybody goes in and just jots their dreams down. Like, I prefer that actually, right? Because I feel like you would get so much garbage. Like, I dreamed of Marley Matlin the other day. Exactly. In some ways, it would be better. But this is this database is used by a lot of. different people for different reasons I guess so they want to be able to characterize it like like you can define the data set in different ways like some of the stuff is from the 2020 presidential election they were they were soliciting dreams for that but they put them all together so you can search all of them or you can like filter it down to specific surveys that were taken for specific reasons as well interesting so So the idea, so my big takeaway thus far is that technology itself is underrepresented in people's dreams, or at least being a significant part of it. And if I think about my dreams in any meaningful way, it's very rarely stuff that's like grounded. It's always concepts or blown out visualizations that only that actually represents something else or or strangeness or whatever. Right. So it's not like a dream is ever, you, I shouldn't say.

ever but dreams are rarely ever going to be like i dreamt of my toaster and how it perfectly makes toast and the setting was it halfway and i pushed the toast you don't do that that right instead it's like my toaster had an eyeball on it and it called me larry that's right exactly or right or i was toast and i was in a giant toaster kind of thing yeah it's always that kind of thing so the toaster is actually kind of secondary or the cell phone or whatever it is yeah so and that's a good point Because if you just look at broadly, just look at technology as a mention of technology. And so the way that they do that is they look through, they have all these words that are meant to mean technology, things like computers, CD, television, engine, stuff like that email. And they collect, if you add up all the percentages of all those things, as they were mentioned, then it's about eight or nine percent of all the total dreams that they have.

in their database they mention some kind of technology. Right, right. So that's a good point. Like, it's not necessarily represented. But again, one thing we have to think about is that that means, that doesn't necessarily mean that technology was absent from their dream, but that it was not noteworthy enough for them to mention it when they recorded their dream.

That's the tricky thing about dream research and looking at what people dream about and why and everything. It has to be noteworthy enough for people to jot it. Or it has to be noteworthy enough. for them to even remember it at all, right? So that's one of the difficult things. Another difficult thing about dreams is, are you actually,

one question people have is, when you remember your dream, are you actually remembering it? Or is it that has the experience of the dream been made entirely during the moments you were waking up? Does that make sense? Yeah, no, no, 100% it does. Happens to me all the time.

Exactly. I'll dose off for like a minute or a second. And it feels like I've dreamt a story for 10 minutes. One way to help this is you have somebody else around who can verify the time. So I had one time where I woke up, was hanging out with Kim talking. And for whatever reason, I fell asleep again. And when I fell asleep, I noticed that the clock said 7 a.m. When I woke up, that clock said 702. And Kim confirmed I was only out for two minutes. there's no way in any realistic terms that what happened in that dream could ever take place in just two minutes. It was like, you know, I'm playing cyberpunk right now, so it reminds me of this. But when you take this like an entire experience and just plug it in and plop it in like a hard drive, unlike say a reel to reel or a tape where you have to kind of watch it to get to the end, this is like planted immediately. The whole experience, bam, you just have it.

And time means nothing, even though it feels like time. has passed. That to me is so wild. And there's going to come a day where mankind figures out a way to kind of harness that and we're going to do some weird shit with it. Right, because there could be, there are a couple of ways that you could think about how this experience happens, right? It could be, that you just have strange time dilation. Your experience of time is dilated, like contracted or expanded during the dream in a way that doesn't make sense. That's perfectly logical. But there's another thing that could be happening is that during REM sleep, you're not actually experiencing anything. There's a bunch of random firing. And then the moment you wake up in the

middle of REM sleep, your brain is like suddenly aware of all these random firings and then says, well, what was that? And that has to make sense of it instantly in the moment. Right. Right. Right. So that could be happening, too. There's, it's difficult to know how to tease that apart, right? Right. One, you know, some clever scientists could maybe come up with an experiment that would help us figure that out. But it's difficult to tease that apart.

And that goes to, I remember when we were talking about it two weeks ago, one of the things I thought of was, was that this reminded me of how we, it's a common thing that people say they can't. read writing in their dreams. Oh, yeah, right. Or were, like, their print or seeing a sign or things like that. Yeah, either it's a jarbled mess or it's blurry or it's characters that make no sense. Sure. Something like that. And they, scientists do think that they have a sense of why that might be because of brain scans of people while they're sleeping.

The language centers in our brain, the vernikies and Broca's area of our brain that sort of like process. and interpret language are way less active during REM sleep. So the logical thing to think of for that is that, oh, well, then it's likely that we can't make any sense of words because that part of our brain is just kind of in sleep mode, right? Right. I guess literally, no pun intended. But it's just not, it's powered way down to, so it's not able to do that.

is it weird that I can do that in real time like right now if I look at um let's just say our notes we have notes here it says a little science with Bobby right in our in our spreadsheet I can stare at that and will myself to make that look like cling on or something like totally nonsense wow yeah but I have to you know I have to kind of focus on it but I can do it and like yeah like right now I have jumbled that up to a giant mess and it looks like nothing and then if I kind of blink out of it I'm like okay a little science with Bobby again I think there's something too like being able to well certainly your dreams put that stuff to sleep but I think you can you can kind of fiddle with that it's also true with hearing you'll hear I can do this sometimes if someone's talking in just English right normal every day I understand English if I concentrate for a second I can make it sound like nonsense and I don't understand it like I'm almost like I don't know English and I can turn that on and off sometimes which is a little bit I think that lends, like, there's probably something to that and the artistic creativity that you have. You know, a lot of your art is taking common everyday objects and turning them into something weird, right?

Sure, that's true. Or turning something familiar into something different or odd, right? Yeah, stylization, it really is abstraction. You're taking realistic things and going as abstract as you can with it, and that's probably what that is. But I think that's what the thing about dream states is that some of that stuff, regardless of your normal conscious proclivities while you're experiencing that, some of that just comes out for people, right? Right.

That they wouldn't normally be able to tap into. That's why some of my, or sometimes it's the opposite where you think what you just thought of in the, in a delirium of half sleep is amazing. And so you write it down. And then you check it out in the morning and you go, what kind of horse shit is this? It's terrible. I'm not going to write that. I'm not going to draw that, whatever. That happens too. So, yeah, man, dream states, how do they work? And there's a couple of things that are going on in your sleeping brain that you want to kind of think about when you're thinking about what does this have any meaning or is there a reason behind it, stuff like that. First of all, your sense is, your brain is operating completely differently when you're dreaming than it is when you're awake. So much so they have like a, it's like semi-conscious.

And they have it like, it's like a sleeping consciousness, I think, is what some people call it. Sure. Because it's different. First of all, your senses aren't actually really engaged very well, if at all. So when you're awake, the way your brain constructs your reality is it takes all the things that your senses are sending to it. And then it filters it through all these things like memory and all these other things in your brain. And then it constructs your experience of reality, right? Well, your brain is also constructing something in the moments of your dream, but it's not coming from exactly from your senses.

First of all, your eyes are closed, you know, and there's a lot of all those senses that you're experiencing maybe while you're dreaming. They're not the actual. So that sensory, quote unquote, information is coming from somewhere else and being constructed into some form of some kind of reality that your brain is interpreting, right? So it's not the same pathways that your brain is. using um and your brain is just like i said interpreting is a really i think good word to think of when you're thinking about your experience of reality your brain is always interpreting everything anyway whether not you're conscious being whether you're awake or asleep right right and there are people who have like you know i know someone who sees thinks they see dead people like sees ghosts

at night people to walk into their room we all know that person it's uh taylor you almost all's on that movie No, it's like he's sure he's seen these physical beings in his room before many times. And it's just sure that he's seeing the spirits of dead people. And there's no way it could possibly be just sort of an enhanced version of what we're talking about or a sort of an extreme version of, you know, chemical and synapse happening where he's, he thinks he's seeing it. and um there's really no convincing him i've tried but that's what this is this is part of that and i've had dreams where i was sure when i woke up a certain thing was going on i was sure of it and then you're like there for a minute going well that doesn't make sense because why was

walter math out here or whatever whatever the thing is um yeah yeah your range is weird why did why did brian pull marley mantlin out of the sky why did i pull freaking why are these names happening i actually did have uh marley matantle matlin wasn't a dream a couple of days ago, and I think it was because I drove those deaf kids around in my lift. Wow. I love that. Oh, yeah. And that actually reminds me. Five seconds here. Big thanks to Jim Pacholic

who sent me the sign language for dummies book. It's hilarious. I just opened up a package and there's sign language for dummies. This is what Jim Picholick does. He sends things that are neat. He sends needful things. I'm afraid he's the needful things guy at the store. He's the needful things guy, yeah. So I'm absolutely

going to use that. So I'm sorry, back to our program. Back to my Bob. Your brain is completely different when you're sleeping. Like the prefrontal logical part of your brain, the prefrontal cortex is very much less active during sleep, which is why nothing makes sense when you're dreaming. And the primitive parts of your brain, like the hippocampus and the amygdala, they're much more active while you're sleeping. And those are the parts that are like responsible for. things like reactions to stimulus like disgust reactions or memory consolidation is really important

in the in the hippocampus so that's why a lot of people think that that's one of the primary uh functions of sleep and so you were mentioning people that experience something when they're asleep or waking up like in that that between sleep and wakefulness moment have either of you ever had sleep paralysis before uh no but i know i mean everybody That's where you're partially awake and you just can't move kind of thing, but you're also dreaming? Yeah, it's like a, so sleep paralysis is just what everyone experience. Your body is paralyzed when you sleep. It's just, unless you have some kind of a disorder that makes it so that you're not.

But your body just paralyzes you while you sleep so you don't, you know, die from doing things that were in your dreams. Yeah, you don't want to die from doing things. I agree. Yeah. But what you're talking about, Brian, which is what I was referring to, is hypnagogic or hypnagogic hallucinations. Oh, right, yes. Okay. Where you're starting to come awake, but your body is, has, is still, you're still paralyzed from sleep paralysis.

Yeah. And you're, you're sort of like halfway booting up. Your brain is rebooting halfway. So, yeah. Yeah, so you're experiencing, like, some of these dream sensations. A lot of people have, there's a lot of old. and legends and everything of of like

succubi and and devils coming in and sitting in your chest and stuff like that. Yeah and that people or more that was what it was in ancient times but more recently people experience the or describe alien abductions

a lot of people think that this is hypnagogic hallucinations. They're just coming out coming back from getting anally probed and this is Yeah, and they can't move, right? And it's from people who experience that and even know what it is, they say that, A, it's very terrifying. Sure. Because imagine you can't move.

Yeah, Amy Robinson, our chat room is saying that same thing. She experienced it, it's terrifying. It sounds awful. It's very terrifying. And a lot of people who know better still say that in the moment, it's nearly impossible to convince themselves that something, that that's what's happening. It's nearly impossible to convince themselves that there's not some force that's in, you know, imposing itself on them. And so it's just a weird thing. I think, if you care what I think, because nobody really knows.

But I think that that really, that our brains are in a different mode while we're sleeping and that parts of our brains are just that that are more involved in experiencing cell phones, you know, like. maybe the frontal cortex and those language parts of your brain because you're always reading and typing things on your phone. They're just not as active or engaged when you're asleep, so you probably, you know, it's not, the pathways that are constantly being used while you're using your phones are probably not being used during dreaming as often so people don't experience them as much. And yeah, there's also this, I think, kind of silly idea that it's, if you look into it that people think, well, the technology hasn't been around long enough for it to enter into our sort of anthropological subconscious.

I think that's a bunch of Hokam mumbo-jumbo. Yeah, that doesn't sound right to me. I mean, no offense. That sounds cool, all right? Make your movie about it, but I don't know. Yeah, yeah. For your TV show, Rainbow Bright reminds me that that was also in the TV show, Evil. Really good show, by the way.

The main character would experience that whenever the shiny black demon, that was a really freaky demon to find on terrestrial TV. I'm just going to say it right now. This demon that would show up crawling over her bed to talk to her, and she would be in that kind of frozen. Paralyzed thing. Evil was cool, but once again, it's a series that was too good for network, and they canceled it.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Dirty bastards. Yep. Well, there you go. Bobby, fantastic stuff about the human brain and sleeping. and phones and all that stuff. It's what we were hoping for. And a live studio audience.

And a live studio audience. This is true. We are recording this before a live studio audience. It laughs at nothing audibly. And that's okay. We'll put that in post. Bobby, please tell people where your show is and what you guys are talking about this week.

Well, my show is a show about science and science news and just all things science. I do it with my co-host, Mora. And it's called All Around Science. I say it slowly because people want to call it other things. but it's all around science. So look that up. I'm excited to do these next couple episodes. I'm getting to meet my co-host in person for the second time ever.

Oh, that's awesome. This upcoming, I think, next week. I think she's staying at my house, so I better get that right. Yeah, I get that. That's great, though. That's a cool opportunity to finally, you know. Yeah, the first time I met her was before we even did the podcast, like in person. I've done plenty of things with her online, but she lives in Canada.

Oh, there's your problem. We don't really let many Canadians into the country. No, we're beefing up the wall up there, someone told me. I don't know who it was. I had to grab this. It's the All-Around Science Challenge Coin holder. Oh, look at that. Show off the logo.

Love it. That's great. I love it. Bobby, enjoy that, and we make sure we all tune in. Okay? Listen to that show. Sub to it. It's not hard.

All right. So go get to wherever you get your podcast. Well, you have a great week. We'll see you next time. Sorry, Captain Frankenberger. Captain Bobby. Captain Frankenberger. I'm your Captain Franks.

Captain Franks. I like that. Yeah. New day, everybody. Get used to it. All right. We got a couple things to take us out of here. For example, if you haven't joined us on Patreon, perfect time to do it.

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song of your podcast. subscriber that is. And you'll be able to look at QuickTMS.L.I. to see how that is and all that stuff. Anyway, Ryan, a.k.a. Ryotemi wrote in and said, Sire and begetter,

today is the 30th anniversary of my father's death from a drug overdose. I was a freshman in high school and lived across the country from him. It was a difficult day to say the least. Could you find a cover of the iconic song about the things we learned from our fathers? Let's get Scott crying with

the Cats in the Cradle and it's all reflect on the good things that they taught us. That one gets me every time. Oh, for sure. We were talking about that this weekend or last week? Facebook, I think. Or Facebook. Film sack. Film sack or maybe

couch party. I can't remember one of the time. Maybe. Anyway, Cats in the Cradle. This is the Harry Chapin's song and this is a very special version of it because it's actually being covered by his daughter, Jen. So kind of like the kind of like the real story of the song.

It's being sung by his actual child. From the album, a song for my father, which found a lot of musicians doing covers of songs that their father had performed, released back in 2007. Here's Jen Chapin covering Harry Chapin's Cats in the Cradle. My child arrived just the other day. He came to the world. in the usual way but there were planes to catch bills to pay he learned to walk while i was away

and he was talking for i knew it and as he grew he said i'm gonna be like you you know i'm gonna be like you and the cats in the cradle and the silver spoon little boy blue and the man in the moon I don't know when But we'll get together then We're gonna have a good time then My son turned ten Just the other day He said thanks for the ball, Dad

Come on, let's play Can you teach me to throw? I said Not today, I've got a lot to do He said, that's okay But he walked away and he smiled everything He said, I'm going to be like him, yeah, you know I'm going to be like him And the cats in the cradle and the silver spoon Little boy blue and the man in the moon

When you're coming home, I don't know when But we'll get together then We're going to have a good time then Came from college The other day So much like a man I just had to say Son, I'm proud of you

Can you sit for a while? He shook his head And he said with a smile What I'd really like dad Is to borrow the car keys See you later Can I have them please And the cats in the cradle

And the silver spoon Little boy blue And the man in the moon When you come in a little home i don't know when but we'll get together then we're gonna have a good time then My son's moved away I called them up just the other day I'd like to see you if you don't mind

He said I'd love to dad If I could find the time But my new jobs are hassle And the kids have the flu But it's sure nice talking to you dad It's been sure nice talking to you And as I hung up the phone it occurred to me

He'd grown up just like me My boy was just like me And the cats in the cradle and the silver spoon Little boy blue and the man in the boo When you're coming home I don't know when But we'll get together then We're gonna have a good time then Get more at frogpants.com

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