The Morning Stream - TMS 2548: Snowloween

Episode Date: November 2, 2023

Meat infused buildings. The Scent of a Donut. The Mage Went To College. What's Shia Leboeuf doing these days. You know I don't really care. The artist formerly known as Twitter. Made Of Crepe Paper And Sticks. Scott Can Feel The Sexy Sax. AmishOverlord is neither Amish nor an OverLord. Discuss. Retracting the Pre-Tip. Wargon love. McLawsuit. Stop trying to make Pre-Tipping" a thing! Naked Treats. Moonlighting feels so right. Swimming in Soup with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

TMS is brought to you daily by the support of our patrons at patreon.com slash TMS, like Sean Sparlin, Natomaton, and Matthew Coover. Coming up on TMS, meat-infused buildings. The scent of a donut. The mage went to college. What Shia Laboof doing these days, you know, I don't really care. The artist formerly known as Twitter. Made of crepe paper and sticks.

Scott can feel the sexy sacks. Amish Overlord is neither Amish nor Overlord. Discuss. Retracting the pre-Ebrlord. P-tip. Morgan Love. McLaughute. Stop trying to make pre-tipping a thing. Naked treats. Moonlighting feels so right.

Swimming in soup with Wendy and more. On this episode of The Morning Stream. You can't manufacture it out of a cocktail of Viagra, H-G-H, and some of John Hamm's P. Please hurry up. My face is as hot as a hemorrhoid rug. The Morning Stream. Good. Real good. Hello, everyone. Welcome to TMS. It is the morning stream for November 2nd, 2023. And it is a Wednesday. And I'm Scott Johnson. That's Brian Ibitt.

Hello. It is a Wednesday. No, it is a Thursday. I mean. It is. This week feels a little goofed. I don't know why. Probably Halloween messes things up because a Tuesday Halloween is weird. It's just weird. It is weird. And I don't like being weird unless I want to be weird. I only be weird when I mean to, like a wizard, you know?

By the way. Precisely when I mean to. Yes, sir. Here is the outfit. This is the shirt. This is the Dia de los Muerto shirt, the Day of the Dead shirt. A bunch of skeletons dancing and playing guitar. Yeah.

and is today the official thing or what did we figure out today is today is day two of the official thing okay and um i get to admit i'm i kind of have a little bit of a regret uh scott yesterday about uh 3 30 i wrapped up with some work and stuff and then decided you i'm going to go and lift for a couple hours before dinner yeah and uh got out there and drove around and took a lot of people downtown avs game was last night i guess so probably took some people down to to to places where they were going to go to either watch the game and game or, um, or walk to the, uh, arena from the game. Yeah.

And, um, coming back and I'm going through a, a part of town that is, um, uh, heavily, like, very Latino, uh, populated, dense, uh, Latino population. Sure. A lot of great restaurants there, a lot of great culture and arts, art and stuff like that. And I go by this park and I look over and I see like they've got the roads blocked off around the park. and they've got like lights strung up. It's like 5 o'clock.

I just had turned off the app I was about to start heading home. And I was thinking, ooh, I could park over there at the Burger King and walk over because I'm guessing that's a Dia de los Mertos party or like a community event kind of thing. Which means food. And I've never been to one of those. Yeah. That means amazing food over there. That means amazing food.

I could probably pick up a really cool hand. painted sugar skull and I mean you know here's the day after even even when I got home I was like I kind of wish I would have stopped and checked it out like that's a kind of thing that obviously only comes around

once a year but being in the right place, right time, right day I had just stopped stop quote unquote working and and I could have easily gone there for 15, 20 minutes and just checked it out

I wish I would have. They probably had like a lote there. I'm sure they did some beria. Oh, man. Now I'm sad. You didn't stop either. Some tamales. Look, they would have, like, Keenan Thompson joke right there.

The best part of those kind of, there's one here as well. And the best part about those things is not only is that food amazing, authentic, and incredible, it's also cheap. You know? They're not charging 20 bucks for a little basket like you, some, sometimes get it like a food truck or something. It's really, really inexpensive. This is, yeah, and I can't go tonight because we've got D&D tonight, Zoom D&D with all the usual suspect, Barry and Tanner and Tristan and Alex and my friend Paul.

Yeah, Paul in there. James from same-sex Mary. What is James's character, by the way? Oh, yeah. So I'm going to, oh, James's character is great. James, James takes this, like, James does this. the way that only James can do. James' character is a character

named Thumps. Thumps. All right. Thumps. Thumps is a bunny that carries around a huge mallet. Okay. And very influenced by I don't know a certain

wise-crackin rabbit that likes to give a certain hunter. A little bugs to the bunny there going on? A little bugs to the bunny, exactly. Interesting. So, wait a minute.

What's his class, though? I don't know. Actually, it's a really good question. Somebody I know, if there's somebody at the chat room. Is it like a barbarian or something or some crazy warrior bunny or something? Yeah. We needed a, it could be a druid. We needed a mage.

We lost our mage. Our mage went to college. Oh. And so we need another magic user with some good healing spells and stuff like that. Yeah, it could be a Dwuid. It could be a Dwuid. Dwuids are pretty good. You know who the best, honestly, the best overall class, I think, even though I never want to play one, is a bard.

And the reason I like bards is all their stupid sing-song stuff is great for buffs. But they got some healing. They have really good damage spells. Like they're the best overall kind of. of magic user in the game even though you'd think wizard or they build everybody up like they you know oh yeah they're huge for the team yeah exactly but if you're like wizard or a sorcerer they're great and they're op in some ways but in other ways they're weak and lame so yeah get that's what you need you need a bunny with some uh with some singing skills and uh yeah see that's

the thing is you got a really if you're going to be a bard in a group like in a d and d group you got to be prepared that you are going to have to sing you are you cannot say all right my my bard uh sings a few bars of a song and uh grants you know so-and-so uh divine inspiration or something like sure no you have to basically be like i'm gonna give you divine inspiration john did it with poems when we played oh really yeah so he would do i guess i did too my sorcerer stuff I would do on the spot made up limericks. Of course you would. Some rap, right? Yeah, super dumb.

Super dumb. Super, like, really... My name is Nash, and I'm here to say, I'm going to dispatch you in a... In a gruesome way. Murderous way. Yeah, no, it was a lot of, like, early run DMC style.

Yeah, yeah. Stuff that my sorcerer would do. Anyway, that's great. Enjoy that tonight. Yeah, so it'll be fun. Otherwise, I would be heading back out to that part of town and seeing if the seeing if the festival's still going on. But let this be a lesson to all of you.

You get an opportunity like that. You see a chance so that you think you might regret later. Just do it. You know, take the advice of the great poet, Shia LeBuff. And do it. The great muse that was and is Shia LaBuff. Yeah, that guy. Shia, Shia. It's Shia.

Shia. Shia LeBuff. Okay. He's weird. He was weird for a while. I wonder if he's tamed his stuff down lately. I don't know. I feel like I just haven't heard from him. Like, what's he in?

What's he doing? It feels like it's been kind of quiet on the love front. Maybe he realized, hmm, maybe not all publicity is good publicity. Maybe I didn't need to wear a bag over my head or, uh. Yeah, or any of that weirdness. Also, didn't he do something gnarly? Like, wasn't he, uh... Oh, did he?

Was he in the Me Too thing or something? I don't know. He did something. I don't remember what it was. Maybe he was just a dick or something. I don't remember what it was. Whatever. Hollywood, man. They're all weird.

Plagiarism accusations. Abuse allegations. Oh. Plagiarism and abuse. Plagiarism and abuse. And a casting dispute for Don't worry, darling, was he, oh, he was replaced by Harry Stiles. Oh. Oh, that was him and that? It was supposed to be him and that? I was supposed to be him in that, yeah. Did you ever see that?

Maybe, I did. Yeah. How was that? I don't remember. Do you recommend it or I don't remember? I did recommend it. I did recommend it. Although it's, it's, it's good. It's kind of Stepford Wivesy and, uh, um, it's a, you know how, how the, the neighborhood in Edward Scissorhands is super like, like everything is its own pastel, but all in the same palette of pastel and everybody does their same thing. Their, their hedges are all, you know, kept the same way and that sort of thing.

Um, that's what that movie, uh, reminded me. is this kind of like fabricated neighborhood and yeah um and florence pew though is you know she's florence pew she named something bad florence pew has ever done can't can't do it no can do it science ever good in little women good and even that summer midsummer deal good and everything that's her job is to be good in things and yeah gosh dang is she good exactly so so watch it for no other reason to watch it watch it for florence watch upenheimer for florence as well They're both. Why did Claire say it's lawnmower man?

Lawn mower's man? Yeah, I don't know. It's lawnmowers man. Because people are out mowing their lawn? I don't know. I don't know. What's going on? Claire, put the gin down.

It's loatemowers man. Landmowers man. God damn it. God damn it. Stupid. Stupid. All right. We are going to do a full show today.

And later, lady, or lady, lady, lady, lady, lady, lady, lady, lady. Lady, lady, lady, lady. lady my sister wendy will be here we're going to do a windy thing here and all that we got other stuff in between now and then and i want to start with a message we got from adam and queen's new york all right cool excellent all right it's where george's parents lived we're we're in queens uh anyway he says uh this says hi seltzer and baloney he's talking about the the the carbonated meat controversy that's been going on here says i'm a couple of months behind on tms and i have been wondering about your carbonated meat quandary.

Well, that means he hasn't even heard the latest where I'm still sure they exist. Apparently, yeah, exactly. It says, I don't, let's see, I don't know if you have the idea of meat being carbonated because of a company that is called Seltzer Smokehouse Meets. They make Lebanon Bologna, we've had that recently. Maybe someone has already shown you this, so he sent me a website. It is Seltzer SmokedMeets.com. This is what started the controversy.

This is what made you think that there was Seltzer. that there was carbonated meat was the name yeah it was that we right because we were talking about Lebanon baloney we had an article about Lebanon baloney yeah and we're like does that come from Lebanon what is the deal with level Melbourne on baloney yeah and then Natalie and Alan and the cats sent us packages and you said oh it's selters is there is there carbonation in it because I could swear I've had some carbonated meat and that's where it came from you're right full circle we've come all the way around Well, how does Adam from Queens

these two months if he How did he hear the carbonated meat thing But not hear the genesis of the carbonated meat thing Being the exact thing that he told us about It's a very good point So I didn't look at the site before And of course I went in here thinking Ooh, is it possible it's called seltzers

Because there's some kind of carbonated meat? No No No It is the actual brand of meat that Natalie and Elle and the cat sent us Yeah, sent us this stuff right here Literally, my fridge still has a little left of this with this logo and this looking Jewish guy on it. Mine too. Yeah, I have the suite. I finished off the original, and I have like a couple slices of the sweet, and I'm having it for lunch today. I picked up an Asiago bagel at Panera this morning.

When I got my coffee, it was like, if you order within the next minute, you can have a bagel for a dollar. and I said, sure, give me a bagel. Give me an Asiago bagel. So I'm going to... There's a percentage of people who haven't been paying attention and don't know about the bagel thing. I know why I'm calling it a bagel instead of a bagel. Yeah. So they all think, oh, what's Brian saying?

That's completely wrong. Am I wrong to say that this guy, the logo on this website, the dude looks like a Hasidic Jew guy or my mate? Am I... No, no, no. That's the idea. He very much is. Yep. All right.

It's making sure I'm not... Absolutely. With the hat and the beard and the rosy cheeks, for sure. All the acidic Jews that I knew. All the makings of a... Although you look at the About Us and you look a picture of Harvey Seltzer, the butcher who made the first Lebanon bologna, he does not look anything like that.

Let's see, where is he? I'm hitting About Us here. Yeah, it's the very first picture. Oh, yeah, does nothing like that. No. No. There he is, though. Look at that guy. 1902?

Damn, dude. Resorceful Pennsylvania Germans incorporated old world buttering, curing, and sausage-making skills in two life. Do you notice that the... So he's got a picture of the smokehouses on the next thing below his photo?

Yeah. I can smell those buildings. Me too, yeah. Look at them. They just are so... I bet you Lebanon, Pennsylvania smells amazing. Oh, I bet it does. Like, forget about seltzer-infused meat.

How about meat-infused buildings? you know look at that all that yellowing and the in the and the darkening of the edges of that wood that's all meat that's all like smoked meat infused wood oh why does that sound so good that shouldn't sound so good it just does well it does sound good anyway thank you for that adam in queen's new york for sadly no closer to the riddle getting solved necessarily i mean the riddle being solved is just i'm out of my mind and never had this meat but i still like the process of you guys helping us all. That is my synopsis. Yeah. You know what? It's a safe bet. You're making a very safe bet. You might have eaten some spoiled meat and thought it was

seltry because of the way it made your tongue feel. That's entirely possible too. Like I'm open to these possibilities. I just like when our listeners keep adding to the pile of evidence of either for or against. This is fun. It's a good time. So keep it up if you have any more thoughts about the, you know, the meat being. Oh, and we got tons of them going. And hey, people soak their meat and marinate their meat and soda all the time. Oh, yeah, Dr. Pepper, like doing a Dr. Pepper chicken where you put the chicken basically on a can of Dr. Pepper and put it on the grill and let it bubble inside. Yeah, and it's really good. It's fantastic.

But that is not the thing I'm talking about. Even though, I guess that's an infusing of sorts. It's just, it's not carbonated, though, when you eat it. No, no. That's all lost. So it's something else. I'm not giving up yet. But if there was money on the table and we were at a betting parlor, Brian's money would be on.

Scott thought he ate it, but never did. Yeah, be right there. Like right there. Firmly betting on, maybe not. It might be the smart money, honestly. Yeah. We got another message. These all came via text, by the way.

8014710462. Jennifer wrote in about Brian's moonlighting watch through. Yeah. Here's what she said. for TMS. Hello, binge and sacks. Like saxophone. That's pretty good. Yeah. It's all due to Brian's mentioning and moonlighting that I'm now binge watching this show. I must confess, I never missed this show when it was new and out every week.

Oh, the sexy 80s, the David and Maddie banter, and the shoulder pads, the big hair, so mid-80s, it hurts so good. Anyway, how can this very dated show feel so right? Love the show in the rain or snow. blow by blow doggarito or bag of salad though Jennifer that is the best ending I think we've ever had love the show in rain or snow blow by blow dogorito or bag of salad though she did hard work on the end of that thing she did all right so let's see if I can I'm bringing out the the sexy sax app do it I'm going to see if I can do the the stuffy here on moonlining so it's

almost pretty good it's pretty good that's pretty good that's it's always I'm having it's I can't it's pretty good it's pretty good is that um where is that where is that streaming I don't think we ever said who's why it's who's who Hulu, okay. Hulu is where you can get your, your, uh, your, Addison and your, uh, your, Hayes.

Addison and Hayes. Yeah. There's some stuff that just does not age well either. There's like, um, there's an episode where, um, David actually starts defending a guy. Uh-oh. Who may have hit his wife.

Just saying, haven't you ever, Maddie, haven't you ever been angry enough to hit somebody? I was like, oh, this is, this, this is, maybe this one should be taken off the, off the streaming. Yeah. The other thing I've noticed, and this, this will absolutely tell you how much I, how much I watched the show when I was young, is that I know what songs they've taken out of the show and replaced with stuff that they can afford. Like, there's a, right, because there's a whole episode where. they're hired to make sure an old man is, he's planning his own murder. Basically, he's like, I just need you to make sure that somebody comes into my room

and offs me so that my kids can get the insurance money. Sure. And so they So they David says I'm taking this one alone Matt he's like I don't want any part of it Pretty much every episode So he goes there

He was going to try and stop the guy From having somebody kill him But he got there a little early And the guy was already dead But David didn't know it And so it looked like David Unplugged this guy's oxygen respirator Even though the guy was already

Already dead Yeah but David doesn't know that and so he decides he's going to go underground but um throughout that that whole thing where he's driving to the uh the hospice and and stuff like that in the original it's um sympathy for the devil by the rolling stones and it's awesome because like he's driving there's no words in that that whole section like no uh no dialogue he's driving you hear that song then he turns off the radio and he's thinking and then he he stops that the car and then he turns it back on and it's the song that's still going and then they end with

him kind of running out the door and you get one more Mick Jagger or whewhoo something like that something from the song and it was so good and I start watching this episode I'm like this is they replaced it with some blues song that they could easily cheaply buy the rights to and uh and it just drives me nuts that they did that oh this is the this is the rumor why not rumor this is the reason why Northern Exposure never gets streamed. Oh, yeah, Northern Exposure, WKRP. Yeah, yeah, they all do it. I don't know, like, in the case of, like, WKRP might actually be streaming,

but they've done that thing where they swap it all out. And I think the Northern Exposure people just were like, we're not doing that because there's so much music all the time. Yeah. Which sucks, man. You've got a character who works in a radio station, and, you know, the music was a part of the show. It's another character of the show. I agree.

and uh let us have our music is all we're saying yep and and ben jino six says the DVDs have the original audio and i see yes uh yes they do and i'm that's why i'm not going to give up my DVDs of the show no matter even if it's on streaming that episode for for for no other reason than that episode needs to have sympathy for the devil playing in the background yeah and i get why they do this they want royalties forever right so if you're not airing the show you're not paying royalties so it's a way to save money if you can't afford it because your show's old and not a lot of people watch it or whatever. But I think the deal should be, the contract should be, we paid for your music to be on our show when it aired in the 90s or 80s. Yeah. It played. It's in there. It's part of it now.

Just like everything else is part of it now. Mm-hmm. So it's in there and it's in there for good and sorry, it's just going to be in there. That's how to be. Yeah, but there was no, they did not have any foresight. There was no way they could have said. way thank you for licensing sympathy for the devil for us in 40 years uh there's going to be a thing called streaming where people will be able to watch this episode as much as they want anytime they

want day or night they don't have to buy the DVD they don't have to buy anything is a good point very different world than they imagined back then when they did these things exactly they thought oh you know even even back then they probably just thought home video people are going to have to buy cassettes and then DVDs came out but it's still kind of the same same thing cool we bought the license for the DVDs as well. Stoics Girl says they had syndication. That's true, but I think it wasn't any because syndication was still aired television

so you only had to tune in when it was on. It was non, yeah, what's the word? Non-interactive. So you couldn't choose what they aired. They erred it. It's the same thing with podcasting. It's why my license for playing music, playing cover songs

is cheaper than a service like Spotify where you say, I want to hear this song right now, that costs more because that's an interactive license. I pay for a non-interactive license because as a listener, you only get to hear what I want to play. You don't get to hear what you want. You get to hear what I want you to hear. Yeah. And it gets even more, if you really want to get in the weeds on it, though, it's funny because let's say somebody hears an episode of Coverville and they loved it. So their favorite episode of Coverville,

they now have the ability at any whim they want, fired up on their phone or their iPod and play it over and over and over and over anytime they want go to the middle play that song again like in a weird way it it can go forever the way we do stuff now it just doesn't match the way these deals were made it just doesn't yeah so there has to be better deals i don't know what they are and who they benefit more but it's funky it's funky anyway uh thank you for that it's good uh to hear from you jennifer and glad one more person is now watching moonlighting because that's the goal, really, is to slowly chip away at the audience until they're all watching it, right? That's the goal.

Yeah, I don't know, though. I think I think watch at your own risk. It feels dated. The breaking the fourth wall stuff was revolutionary at the time. Nobody was interrupting their Algerow theme song to

do some sort of skit about not winning an Emmy. But at the time, it was brilliant because you were watching the show and all of a sudden it's like, they interrupt and say, I'm David Addison, I'm Maddie Hayes, and we suck because we didn't win Emmy. Screw you the voting board. All right, back to our show. Yeah. It ought to be

you know what, maybe it needs to scale. It's like you use the Rolling Stones as an example. Mick Jagger and crew are not short on cash. They're fine. They're not. They're not hurting. They're forever done. They're good. They're way good. So if you're

at that level, maybe we should quit being so picky about that level. Maybe at the lower level where you get some hot new indie artist, who comes out of nowhere and gets a track on Breaking Bad one week, that would make sense to make sure they're compensated because, again, they're at this level. So have that scale change based on, I don't know what,

they're tax bracket or something. Based on your own market value. So Mick Jagger's market value determines how much he gets in royalties from the playing of sympathy for the devil more so than how many streams it can. gets or how many how many you know DVDs are purchased or that sort of thing yeah chat room says not necessarily rock stars aren't always good at investing but that's their problem their market Brian's talking about market cap right like their their earning potential is way up here compared

to some small band you've never heard of on SoundCloud down here at two Tony Braxton yeah right no nothing's equal in this business so it's the same thing with like you know everybody complaining that the actor's strike you know Tom Cruise doesn't need to say well of course he doesn't he's Tom Cruise

but all these little bit actors and commercial actors everybody else they do exactly so do it as a scale Judy do it for Judy Greer all right don't do it for Tom Cruise

do it for Judy Greer do it for Rudy Greer do it for um forgot his name shoot he's been prom Keith David yeah

for nobody else do it for Keith David Yeah. Hit perfect one. Keith David deserves your love. Keith David deserves it all, man. He deserves our love, our appreciation, and our full attention all the time. Now, news. Today's news happens to be brought to you by.

Brought to you by Coverville, where today, yes, you are absolutely going to be hearing it at this normal time. and we're going to be listening to the music of The Smiths, The, The, and Electronic. Why? Because they all have one dude in common. A guy named Johnny Marr, an incredible singer or not, well, singer, he does some singing. But songwriter, guitarist, performer. I think he even plays the harmonica pretty damn well. Anyway, Johnny Marr turning 60, turned 60 on Halloween. And so let's do a Johnny Marr cover story.

Interesting. I didn't know he was involved in so many bands. I thought it was just the Smiths. Yeah, no. The Smiths was the big one, but The, The, and Electronic. So basically he got together with Bernard Sumner from New Order and formed Electronic. And I think even Neil from Pet Shop Boys was involved with that too, right? So you had the three of them doing this whole side project that wasn't New Order, wasn't Pet Shop Boys.

and oh it's really good stuff I'll bet That's a good combo of people in there Yeah so that's coming up today at noon Twitch.tv slash coverville Watch me play a little Marvel snap We got one week left in the current Current thing

And I think I'm at 88 in the current season I'm at 88 I'm going to see if I can break into 90 today During the show Do you think Blizzard's going to Soft launch or Full Launch or full launch, the the Warcraft, what's it

called? Rumble, Warcraft Rumble? That happening this weekend, do you think? It's happening this weekend. Oh, it is absolutely. Yeah, it's already been announced that it's happening this weekend. I think tomorrow morning you should be able to,

if not tonight, tomorrow morning you should be able to download and play Warcraft Rumble. So they'll probably do a big whip on stage about it. Well, 100%. Yes. I'm just curious. Let me just see if it's,

I looked yesterday to see I resisted the urge to fire up my Philippines account. Yeah. Everyone resists that urge. Eventually we cave.

We all cave to the Filipino. We all cave to the Philippines iTunes account. Nope. Still expected November 3rd. So tomorrow. Okay. Warcraft Rumble playing on your,

it's basically, what's the game? Clash Royale. Battle. Yeah. Clash Royale. Clash Royale with Warcraft characters.

Yeah, which is fine. That I can 3D print. And yeah, and they look rad. Do you have one there? That's right. I actually have one for you. Do you grab it? You can grab it if you want.

Okay, give me a sec. All right. Brian's putting his head downs to go throw, not throw up, throw in. Throw in! I can't think of a better way of saying that. While he's playing Snap tomorrow, I'll be playing. I don't know if I'm streaming it or not. Maybe I will stream some of this.

No, I'll stream it today. That's what I'll do. I'll talk about later. I think I showed off the harpies last time. Yeah. So this is the one I printed for Scott. It is the... Yeah, the hunter and the bear, dude.

The mountain, what they call it, mountaineer? Mountaineer. Is that what they called? He's on a pillbox because I'm going to prime him. I was even thinking I might paint him for you. I thought you were going to send a bunch of Oxycontin in there and, you know, give me all my opioids. I can, listen, I send you enough of those. You can see your own mountaineer.

And then also have a... This wargan is just so damn cool. Oh, the wargan is so rad. Worgans don't get enough love anyway. They really don't. So Brian has given the Worgon some love. The Worgon needed some love. So yeah, anyway, that's, if you don't have a 3D printer, guess what?

You know a guy. You know a guy who does, and you can always reach out to them and talk about how much it would cost for me to print you one of these and ship it out to you. That's right. Anyway, check it out, Warcraft Rumble, launching tomorrow from Blizzard. Nice. Blisder Vision. Blisder Vision. Blister vision.

Blister vision. That's happening tomorrow. And don't forget, me and the core guys are going to do a live stream-a-thon thing with the opening ceremonies, which will be happening at 11 a.m. Pacific, 12 p.m. noon here. Very weird that it's two hours later than it's ever been. I don't know why they're doing that. But we'll find out tomorrow. I've got a feeling BlizzCon is very different and people don't know it yet. I just have this feeling.

And we have people, including Randy, who said it out loud. But Randy has said out loud before. It's going to be a very different blizzcon. So what that means, we'll have to see. I can't wait to see what it does morph into. And if it'll ever morph back into something closer to what it was without all of the, I don't know, rapy business. That'd be great. Less rapy business, please.

Yeah, less rapy business, please. Yeah, I'd like that team, that particular department at the company to be shut down. No more rapy department, please. Yes, exactly. Shut down that department. Asap. Um, let's get into this news. We have an, uh, Amish overlord sent us something.

Okay. And he is an actual member of our community, not a guy who's in charge of a lot of Amish people. Okay. I don't know what an actual Amish leader is called. What do they call them? Oh, I don't know. That's a good. The father, the elder.

The elder, uh, 430 time for milking guy, whoever that is. That's right. Whoever's in charge of getting people. Yeah, book, books, book. Um, now it reminds me those monsters again. Book, book, book. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Anyway, an Atlanta woman, this is the story he sent over on Discord,

and you can always submit these in the Discord. There's a whole forum for this for just submitting news stories if you guys want to hear them on the show. And we're happy to vet them and then air them here. An Atlanta woman receives $3 million over severe coffee burns after settling a Duncan lawsuit. So you remember the McDonald's one years ago? Yeah, the hot apple pie.

Well, no, they can see it was the coffee lawsuit with the woman who got one in the drive-thru. The lid wasn't on completely. and she got some bad burns from that. Yeah, she got bank. And she kind of deserved it. Well, her lawyer got banked. Well, that's true.

There's a whole story with that, right? There's a whole thing. Exactly, yes. What's that, there's a documentary about this. There is. Mick, uh, Nick lawsuit or something. Mick lawsuit.

I don't think that's it, but I love it. I don't think that's it. Let's see. I want to find it. Uh, uh, I know that was like McMillians, right? Oh, hot coffee is the name of the film.

Oh, just hot coffee. It just called hot coffee. And it talks about how, yeah, the woman that this happened to really had some horrible burns. And the lawyer said, yeah, let's go for, you know, ridiculous amount of money. Does it say how much here? Yeah, I forgot how much. It was a lot, though. At the time, anyway, it seemed like a lot.

million plus million plus dollars um and uh and she only got she got a tiny percentage of that most of that one the uh or what the went to the lawyer yeah lame um seek that out though whatever the name of it is yeah it was really good and it totally turned me around like i thought oh my god what a frivolous lawsuit can't believe this lady's doing it and then you see like how bad her burns are and how little money she got from that and it's like oh wow she really was the victim twice over in this thing. Yeah, yeah, she cut screwed. Well, we have another one.

A 70-year-old Atlanta woman says she suffered third-degree burns, or I guess she can prove that with medical information. After her coffee, spilled on her while on the drive-thru of the Duncan in Sugar Hill, Georgia, reached a $3 million settlement with the restaurant. The restaurant. The restaurant, the Duncan Donuts now just called Duncan. Yeah. Oh, is that true? They got rid of the donuts? When did that happen?

Yeah. A year ago, two years ago. Weird. Yeah, I don't know why, because it's, you know, you still, you want to go there for donuts. But, uh, I never thought their donuts are very good, though. Am I in the, am I in the, God, they used to be, you know, the one, so when I was a kid, when I was a kid, uh, there, there was a Dunkin' Donuts that was on my way. I walked to school every day until I started riding my bike. In the summers I'd ride my bike. or the spring and fall i'd ride my bike but in the winter i'd have to walk and it was a good i don't want to say it was a good two three mile walk and i'm not exaggerating kids and it was uphill one way so was mine dude we had the same we never i had a bus for part of junior high but high school oh i had to walk to never there was never a bus that that i could have taken and uh but there

was a duncan donuts and it was one of those was back in the day when they actually did get up early and make the donuts at that duncan at duncan donuts and now they make them in a central hub and they ship it out to all of the the different duncans yeah and they are not as good they're you know more of a chain now that's just yeah exactly if you got a lamars go to lamars lamars is the is the jam i haven't heard of lamars i don't think we have a lamars oh man lamars Donuts is Is that one of those We started it here in Portland

I don't know I don't know let me see where Lamar's came from Lamar's dot com Locations Arizona Colorado Kansas Missouri

Nebraska So sorry Utah Bastards Yeah Well I'll have to live with Dunford for now I love Dunford Oh yeah

Dunford you're You're not hurting at all my gosh, I need to reach out to Lamar's because these guys are in need of a website. They are. Really? This is, yeah, this is like some, some, uh, I see potential, Brian. You got to, you're a new client. Oh, my gosh, Lamars.com, yeah.

Yeah, you'll get up at 6 a.m. and make a fresh website for them. I will, and I could even do it in trade. Do I need to do it in trade? Oh, my gosh, do it and trade for donuts? For dollars to donuts, I could make you a better website. The Kansas City is apparently where it started, 1933. I'm sorry, 1960. He perfected his recipe in 1933 and opened his first restaurant, 1960.

No offense to anyone in Kansas City, but your city will forever just be where the main Fargo mob is. For you, it is, yes. Yeah, because in Fargo, especially the TV show, they allude to it in the movie. But in the TV show, they're always talking about it, and they spend some time there in season two. maybe three a little but that whole mob thing sources all their shit and it's the kansas city mob and it's all i can't just it's burned into me now you guys got the chiefs great good job uh whatever else you got over there i don't know but you have the mob you have the kansas city mob i do i've been looking at the chat by the way um uh nick agrees lamar's donuts

our next level when megis agrees with you dunford makes great donuts code wow asks about a place called oh hold on a second uh code code wow says anyone got a spunky dunkers by them do you really have a you have a donut shop near you called spunky dunkers oh my god i have concerns about that you know more about spunky dunkers and this is a just a donut place like a chain i guess so yeah now you're looking up spooky dunkers spunky dunkers it's a great name um these guys have a wicks page and so we're When you do a search for, what is it about donut restaurants? Not having, like, their Wix page, the title of it on Google is Wix. Oh, that's not good. That's not good. Oh, these donuts look excellent, though. Oh, yeah, look at this.

Wow. These look really good. Holy cow, yeah. Locations, locations, locations. Looks like just Palatine, Illinois. So, so, they should pay, they should pay the lower tier for Wix and get rid of the, the frame of it says Wix. Yeah. Because Wix sites look fine if you, if you pay the base tier.

Yeah, the site, the site looks really good, actually. Yeah, it's all right. They do decent work over there. But Spunky Donuts only, Spunky Dunker's Donuts only in Palatine, Emperor Palatine, Illinois. Emperor Palatine, you could probably call it, you'd probably just say, oh, you want to go to Spunkies? That's probably what people say, right? Probably. Oh, Palatine.

Is it Palatine? Okay. Palatine. Wow. Illinois. All right. I had no idea. Well, that's really close to the word Palestine.

If we talk about that, we'll get in trouble. We can't talk about Palestine. Oh, gosh, gosh. Nobody should. I feel like there's, boy, all you got to do. I mean, me even saying the P word will probably get emails. Yeah, you're going to get emails now because you just brought up Palestine. Yeah.

Nobody bring up or Palatine, sure. Well, anyway, she got $3 million. Well done. Oh, her medical bills were over $200 grand. Geez, Louise. Yeah. She can't go out in the sun. You get that coffee up over like 200, 300 degrees.

Like, I have to, when I make coffee, the temperature I set my water at is 200 degrees. That gets on you. That's no joke, man. Yeah, it's serious. That'll blister here. The bigger question is, like, did they dump it? Did they flopply hand it to her? Did she?

The lid was not on correctly. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Do you think that kid still works at Dunkin? probably not probably not there anymore is my thinking oh yeah I'll bet you

I'll bet you know maybe it's a future movie a heartfelt movie where this kid visits the victim of his bad lid every Tuesday and they become friends they become friends and she has great advice

she's played by the now deceased Jessica Tandy and he's played by who would be perfect for that role a young who played Batman or not Batman Robin oh Chris Chris O'Donnell, like a really young Chris O'Donnell visits her every Tuesday, and they have these great discussions and learns all about her life. The scent of a donut is what they could call it.

Driving Miss Donut. Driving Miss Donut. DoorDash, more food news. DoorDash now warns you. They give you, and I saw this on my app. They warn you that your food might get cold if you don't tip. Seriously. For real.

This is for real. This is like a mafia. Hey, your food might get cold if you don't give us a little bit of a tip, if you know what I mean. It's very, very tony soprano protection money has a vibe to it. DoorDash is out of a pop-up in its app this week, causing or warning customers that ordering with no tip will take longer to get delivered. And therefore, your food might get cold upon seeing the prompt in a since-deleted tweet on X, formerly Twitter. long we have to do that? How long do we have to keep talking about X and it's being formally Twitter? Yeah, people know. I hate all that so much. Anyway, the Verge confirmed that if you enter zero dollars in the tip amount in the DoorDash app while placing the order, an alert appears below the warning prompting you to add a tip or not. You can still continue with that one. Here's what the actual message says. Quote, orders with no tip might take longer to get delivered. Are you sure you want to continue? Dashers can pick up and choose which orders they want to do. Orders that take

longer to be accepted by dashers tend to result in slower delivery. All right, a couple, couple issues here. Number one, where I come from, you get a tip after the service you provide. And if the service you provide is good, is exemplary, or even adequate. Like, if you do the thing that I'm paying you to do, then you get a tip. If you go above and beyond, you get a bigger tip. you should not have to assign the tip before they provide the service because what's the incentive? It's like, great, I got a tip.

I'm still going to pull over and scratch my butt and maybe complete today's wordle and then I'll get you your food. It's like, no, you get the tip when you do the service. When I drive for ride share, they can't, they don't issue the tip before the ride. It's until it's done. Yeah. You know what? Brian and I turns out We agree on a vast array of things

We may disagree on a few things But this one I've never agreed with you more in my entire life This is broken You don't say You better pre-tip Or else it'll be here late Freaking up to do

And there's no guarantee It won't be late anyway So what are you saying if I do tip Let's say I tip him five bucks And it's still late and cold Yeah Yeah Zero recourse

Can you retract? Can you retract? that tip afterwards if they don't provide good service? Yeah, this is some bullshit. Yeah, the whole, this whole system is broken if you have to tip. And if they can decide if they're going to get your food to you on time based on whether or not you give them a tip. Tip is extra. Yeah. If anything, this exposes a problem with the service in general, which is, yes. Drivers are being willy-nilly nonchalant about what they're doing. Right. Well, then I don't want to support your freaking weird business then. Exactly. Guess what, DoorDash? I'll bet if you, don't require the person placing the order to do a tip beforehand, I'll bet your drivers will

ensure better service because it helps guarantee a tip, or not guarantee, but it helps influence the recipient on giving them a tip. Yeah, I bet you money they didn't think it through. Somebody somewhere's turned today going, oh, no, we didn't think of all the possibilities. But yeah, this just kind of made me mad. So, yeah, F off. Like, I'm all for tipping. Like you said, you tip it when people do... I will tip every time. Like, you know, you do the thing that I'm paying you to do, and I will still tip you because you're getting a lower wage

because your wage is based on the combination of payment from the company and tips. Yeah. Like, if you went to a restaurant, you wouldn't expect, like, yeah, I'll have the hamburger and fries and then maybe a Diet Coke. Here's $5 to make sure you bring it out to me. before it gets cold. Yeah, it doesn't make any other scenario. It makes no sense. So I guess I've given up on the idea that we're ever going to not have tip culture in this country.

You go to France, you go to different parts of the world, and they're like, don't, please do not give us tips. They get paid a living wage. They don't do tips. Tips are dumb over there. And I respect them for that. Can we convert to that? Probably not because we're weird.

We still do inches and miles, all right? We're weird. So I've accepted that. But here's what I won't do. I won't change the fundamental structure point and DNA of what tipping is. And that's what this is.

Yeah, that's exactly what it is. It's not a tip. You're basically bribing is what you're saying. It's not a, it's a bribe. It sounds. I'm bribing you to have somebody please deliver my food before it gets cold. It even sounds like a bribe, like a threat.

Yes, exactly. Maybe call it that. If you'd like, Doradash, let's be, you know, change the app. That's what you should do. Just change the app to say, bribe your driver to get your food. Yeah.

And Uber Eats and all you other people, you have an opportunity here. Yeah. Right? I don't know what your pop-up should be, but it should be, we only have you tip after you've had the experience or something. Do that.

Exactly. Lean into it. You do that and people be like, oh, I like this service a lot better. Yeah. More like door cash. Don't dash. Don't dash.

DDD. diners drive-ins and d triple d it's off the chain it's gangster all right we're moving on to this story naked professional over let's rant about something else yeah we'll rant about this guy naked professional baritone opera singer got tasered oh this is a real shame so uh he got tasered in lithum i assume this is i don't know where this is lythum lythum it sounds like england or something Holland, maybe? Oh, no, that's a person's name. I can't find it.

It's a chemical element, and it's also a town in England, Lancashire, England. Lancashire, England. I bet Zoe knew. She always knows. Oh, TRPW says it's live-em. Oh, Live-M? L-Y-T-H-A-M is spelled Live-M. It's pronounced L-I-V-E-E-D-U-M.

That's F-O-E-T-U-U-M. Totally F-D-U-F-D-O. They shouldn't do that. Well, after we're done fighting the tip thing, we're going to fight pronunciations. Yeah, you Europeans and your weird ways of saying shit. Professional opera singer Mark Holland armed himself with a bow and arrow and went on a totally terrifying rampage at the Belmar nursing home in Stanley Road off Clifton Drive on Monday or see,

on the afternoon of Monday the 2nd October. The petrified staff of the home called the police at 1.35 p.m. After the enraged voluntary resident lost his team. temper when he was told he could not go out shopping. So he is a, I guess he's a singer, but he's in a rest home? Like so far, all they've talked about is that he, uh, he's an opera singer with a bow and arrow, went on a rampage at the nursing home because he, they told him he couldn't go shopping and he, and he wrecked the place.

But I see, I see no, no nakedness. Yeah, there's nothing here about naked. Oh, here it is. Prosecutor Pam Smith told the court that an enraged, hollage, and appeared naked from his room whilst singing and making treats to staff, threats to stab. That probably should be threats, but it's spelled treats.

It's spelled treats. Yeah, they meant threats, I think. Look, I'm naked. I'm making you a treat. He's wielding a bow and arrow armed with metal-tipped arrows. Geez. Why does he have that in the first place? That's weird.

Claire is like, okay, so keep reading, God damn it. Stupid, you know, maybe they should put all details if they're going to put it in the headline it's the first word of the headline maybe put it in I don't know the second paragraph yeah maybe that would help uh let's see following three taser hits the enraged but stunned opera singer retreated back to his room that seems funny like you're just going to like a bear went in his cave you're just going to leave him there you're good did he retreat or did he retreat oh he may have rethreaded

everything should be swapped oh no looks like uh YouTube froze for some people oh that ain't good Let's see what's going on there. Let's see. It says I'm good here. But Twitch, Twitch, people, how are you doing over there in Twitch? Let's see here. Everything's showing good on my end. Yeah, everybody is saying, like, address.

Yeah, everybody's streaming streaming. Well, if you tip us, we'll make the stream come back. Yeah, it's, I'm, in Patreon. Try refresh everyone, because I'm looking at the stream right now, and it's running. I'm looking at it on YouTube. Twitch as well Lucky Phil says YouTube broke

but Claire Everybody on Twitch is saying stream is good seems good Okay We're all fine here So it looks like it might just be Yeah I'm a show I'm a show overlord says YouTube streamed down

That's weird because it's totally up for me Like on YouTube I'm on the YouTube page right now It's just playing It's my face looking at this camera going What's going on? Well anyway, we'll deal with it That should clear overtime Okay moving on to

our final. No, we're going to take a break. That's what we're going to do. We're taking a break. Go right to the break. We're going to go to a break. We're going to see my sister Wendy after this break. She's going to come in here and talk about an email we got before all of that. A song break. Brian brought one. Let's hear it. What are we doing? Yeah, here's a band called Bristol

to memory. Another British band, I believe. Let me make sure Bristol because I didn't have this pulled up. I really should have had it up. No, not British. How about that? Orange County, California. Home of BlizzCon this weekend.

This is their brand new single after their upcoming full-length album, which is called Hello Anxious. It comes out early 2024. These guys are terrific. You've heard them on Bally Sports, NBCMTV of the Oxygen Network, Fox and Moore.

They've been slugging down the emo punk trenches for more than a decade. This is the song. Watch out. All right. We're going to take that break and we'll see Wendy on the other side. You guys know you will. Right? So get ready for that. We'll be right back in a second. Electricute there's love

It's shocking You still need me to breathe I'll try to change you Because I feel like I can fix anything Make you with better parts So we don't fall apart if you see He's Howo-bo-W-W-W-W-W-W-W-W

Maybe it's true You're addicted to the things I do And it sounds Oh, so true I created the devil in you I lost the fucked it up and disconnected your heart Did your heartstrings? I thought I got a ride.

I swear that I had done everything. You turned out to be the monster living inside of me. Oh, hopping my dreams. I've got my tongue on now so I can't even say anything. How are What do? Maybe it's true You're addicted to the things I do

And it sounds Oh, such a true I created the devil in you Stay The amazing Amazing Oh Woo

Woo Woo Watch Watched You're rejected to the things I do And it shows Oh, so true I created the devil in you

Created the devil in you I'm watching Here I was a huff in an airplane glue In a Samarridge bag you know just all I could have breathed it on into my lungs and getting high and then I'd take me a hit of that gas and lighter flood you know I'd sniff hit by the cans I'd go around with a sock of my hand like that you know soak it down and I wanted all that good stuff I could get in me my leg is fine my stomach hurts And we return. Brian, who is that artist? Sure. That's a band called Bristol to Memory from their brand new upcoming album coming out next year. That's a song called Watch Out.

Nice. So do that. Watch out. I would recommend watching out. Yeah. All right. We're going to add Wendy to the call and get that going. A quick update on the video. I don't know why YouTube's being weird.

We were full speed ahead over here, so I don't know. Yeah. No glitches or lost frames or nothing on my end. I have no idea. People are, uh, yeah, people are still, they've moved over to watch us on Twitch. Just fine. All right. Well, that's nice.

We got a little, some redundancy, right? We got redundancy. All right. It's a good thing, too. Yeah, I agree. Uh-oh. What happened? Oh, ad.

Okay. I thought I called Wendy and hung up on Brian, but no, I didn't. No, you didn't. I'm still here. Everything's still fine. All right. We're going to give her a call. It's ringing.

As Darrell used to say, we got the rings of ringage, but not the rings of speaking. Oh, usually it takes one extra ring for her to get in, and I don't know why that is. It's something with her setup. Oh, no, she's hanging up, which probably means she needs a minute. Let's see. Oh, gotcha. She actually, she's basically trying to tell you, quit calling. I'm doing something.

This is coming into the wrong time. Let's see what she, if she's texted me. Oh, no, she's right there. Hi, hello. Sorry. Oh, no, you're fine. You're all good. Here, I'm going to play this.

I'll explain the situation to Wendy. Don't worry. Don't worry. Well, we were worried that you had maybe a call or something, so we were going to be patient. Oh, I'm good. Yeah, you're here now, though. Woo-hoo! I am.

How was Halloween at the Dunford home? Halloween was good. It snowed like three inches the night before. That's fun. It was a bit of a snowy. It's melting now, which is fun. But, yeah, it was good. A lot of candy?

I have a friend who lives out there now named Steve, and he said that it was as cold. as he's ever been during those few inches. Is he new to this part of the world? Oh yes. He's from I want to say... Oh, well then, honey. It's not even starting. I think he's from Orange I think he's from Orange County, California, which never knows. Oh,

bless his heart. Yeah, bless his heart. So that's my southernism. So, um, Abe's one of his buddies at colleges from Texas and it started snowing at like 10 at night. And I get a text from Aved at 11. He's like, I've been outside with Nico. He's been rolling in the snow.

it is so cool when you do not you know you've never been around it but they they're all so cold and I'm like you guys this is above freezing it's like 33 yeah that's not even that's not even that bad here of course steep yeah like you could we had we were this morning 22 or something it's pretty cold yeah you guys are yeah there's like a cold snap going everywhere but that yeah you also have a little bit of over there it is weird but we also had a rib nap with a mom i guess you heard about this uh yeah i was just talking to her she says that i so i asked her i said you're not called the doctor or anything or john saying don't and she wrote back while we're on the show she said we called the doctor but they said because it's a rib

injury they just need to let it heal on its own uh so she just has to like chill yeah we'll see how that goes that's like freaked out about ribs like what if one's in my lungs yeah exactly there's a there's a couple pokeyans when you break a rib there's a couple pokeyans that can poke into your most sensitive bits. Yeah. Why don't you check? That's always, yeah. Why don't you check?

Yeah, I don't know why they don't. Well, I know why because John's weird. But if they should go in and get exercised, they should go in and get x-rayed. Exorcised. What do you think is going on? Yeah. Gotta get that evil demon out of her while she's there. Do it.

But anyway, I'll go see her this weekend and see how things are. I'm sure it'll be fun. I'll take her some tacos. You know what she loves. She loves Taco Bell tacos because John will never let her have them, but we bring them every time we see her. Yeah. So that's not even food.

It's not. It's barely food. She loves them. Anyway, let's get to, yeah, mom needs to take real steps and talk about her food,

her food ideas. Yeah, no, thanks. I'm not letting her in. Probably for the best. You know what you're 85, you do it everyone. Yeah.

Gated community right there. Yeah, that's true. When I'm 85, I'm doing what ever the freak I want. Even if you beg. Uh, here is, uh, here's today's conversation. We're going to have an email. Wendy's an actual therapist. She helps people all the time and comes on Thursdays and helps you with your problems. And we got an email with a specific issue that we're going to read. Uh, Wendy, you're ready for this? Anything else you want to say before we go? All right. Here we go. Uh, hold on a second because I'm not using their name. I don't want to be tempted. Here we go. Hi, Wendy Scott and Brian. wondering if Wendy wants to tackle this issue. I have a difficult time accepting a compliment as truthful. It could be at work from my spouse or from anyone really. I generally feel like they are just saying it to be nice or what should be said to make everyone happy without rocking the boat. I am a white man in my mid-40s and I grew up in an environment

where I feel like negative feedback is not encouraged or maybe even allowed. My mother, grandparents, teachers, etc., always seemed to say how smart I was or compliment most things I did as being one of the best, although in sports, for example, I was definitely not one of the star players. So the fact that I struggled in some areas like sports, I did find in other areas at school, he says in parentheses, yet was told what a good job I did and that I was one of the best, the best has led me to be skeptical of any compliment when I know it wasn't earned or sorry, when I know it was earned. Now I'm a business professional in a leadership position with extreme guilt plus stress and anxiety whenever I have a dissenting opinion or when I need to offer constructive criticism to a team member. It seems like I am not a team player, if I don't agree with a particular decision, is what is best. I think, I'm not sure what he meant there, but we get the idea. Not sure if this aversion to speaking up is related to not trusting a compliment as sincere,

but it seems to me in my head, I must say that everything is great and wonderful, rather than saying anything that could be negative. Any advice on becoming more accepting of compliments given to me and ways not to be stressed out when I need to go against the popular opinion or offer criticism to others. I am open to follow, or I'm open to follow-up questions if needed, thanks. An anonymous listener.

So, interesting one. I feel like a lot of people have a version of this, maybe different severity, but I think there's like a, I know people who just can't say, not that they can't say no, but let's say they're in a meeting, like a business meeting.

And the ideas that are being passed around are kind of a trip to Abilene. It's like kind of a bad idea. know it's a bad idea. And you kind of even get the sense that everyone's agreeing just because the person's saying it is in charge or whatever. And even if it's an environment where you're encouraged to speak up if you have a dissenting opinion, you just sometimes feel like you can't. You know, the not taking compliments well thing, I personally do that. I'm terrible at taking personal compliments. It's just not easy for me. And I don't know why that is. But anyway, I think

a lot of people can relate to this. So Wendy, what do you want to do? What do you want to do it. Well, I'm going to have you two who are both white men in your mid-50s. Thanks for the reminder. To tell me real quick a couple things. And I'll use you first and then, you know, as this listener hopefully is listening, they can ask themselves some of these similar questions or if anyone who can then subtract 10 years and see if the diagnosis changes. If it applies. Yeah. Because actually the different parenting style, of generations, I think would be a really fun meta-analysis of like, you know, someone who's being gentle-parented right now, how will that work for them in terms of compliments when

they're in their mid-40s versus someone born in 1975 or 80 or something, right? Okay, so here's my questions for you. When you think about the environment you grew up in, you were around at any kind of state, probably younger the better, but it doesn't have to be like, you know, first grade or something. But what was the soup you were swimming in in terms of how this worked? So think about your own parents when they were complimented or maybe it was more explicitly told to you. And not just compliments. So we've got the positive side, but probably the most telling and the most interesting is actually the negative side.

So how was, so let me just ask that first. How was the negative treated in your homes growing up? How was information relayed? Do you remember things like, well, we don't tell this person, this thing? Because it's not nice. Like, think of the adages that we're always used. Like, if you can't say something nice, you say nothing at all. Yeah.

You know, so what, think about that for a minute. And what, yeah, what do you guys have from your own experience? Hmm. Jeez. So negative discipline in my house at my, at my, at my, at my, home home, which was with my mom, single parent. She actually, both she and my dad when I'd see my dad on the weekends. Both of them very, like, reasonable explaining why something is wrong, why I don't do that.

Like asking a woman or age, oh, Brian, here's why you don't do that. It's very rude and blah, blah, blah, stuff like that. I'd spend summers at my grandmother's house, and she was known to have a temper. and would more involve the physical side of discipline with a wooden spoon or a belt or something like that for what would have been the same kind of level of something I did that needed talking back or something like that. So for the most part, I mean, the most time I spent was with my mom and my dad on the weekend. and I would just get the talking to.

And I'd understand, oh, this is why you don't do that. Okay, cool. Why shouldn't I talk back to you? All right, yeah, fair enough. Sorry and blah, blah, blah. So, yeah. So the, what did you do if you had a negative thing you needed to talk about? And it's not just being naughty.

I mean, like, I feel bad or, you know, I need to talk through something that isn't, everything's fine. Jeez. Yeah, that's a really good question. I don't, and even to this day, I tend to, if something bothers me, I tend to say to myself, I keep it to myself and say, you know what, that's the way this person is, or that's the way this thing in my life is going to be, and it's way easy for me just to adapt than to address it. And if something really bothers me, it'll probably get to the point where I have to say something.

And I usually try and say, all right, this is the first time they're hearing me complain about this thing, even though I've been thinking about it for months. So let's not turn it into, here's an entire month of anger dumped in your lap. Yeah. Yeah. But I tend it as a kid. I'm getting picked on at school Or I'm getting this kind of trouble

Outside of family life I'll deal with it I'll keep it to myself I'm not going to take it to my mom or my dad Because they both got their own They're busy with other things Stuff going on Right okay

All right how about you Scott What's your How was negativity Um Modeled handled and modeled to you Or yeah Okay So you probably

You'll probably recognize this But it felt like our entire life growing up, and I don't know if this changed much given our six-year gap between our ages, but I always felt like dad was saying this phrase. He was always saying, quit being so negative, Donna, he'd say. And he did it a lot. Yeah, like I even have audio of this. Like we'd have Christmas, I'd record Christmas on tape or, you know, audio tape or something. And I can hear him going, oh, quit being so negative, Donna. I'd say it a lot. lot. And there was a, there was kind of a sense that mom, if there was a negative take,

mom would have it. And if there was a positive or a put your head down and just keep moving take, it would be dads. And I think, I think that's kind of it. Beyond that, there was never like, I don't know, it was a kind of household where I felt like I could go talk to them about whatever I needed to. And that was put into me very young. I've told the story before, but for those who haven't heard it, it's very brief, but they told me once, it says, if there's ever anything you have a question about, it doesn't matter what it is.

No matter what we're doing, come talk to us about it. And I was so little, that's probably five or six when I heard this. Vividly, I remember it, though. And they said anything. So I'm outside with friends, and I see the F word on the, written in chalk on the ground. somebody had carved, you know, a written big old F right in the middle of the sidewalk. And I'd never seen that word before. I didn't know what it was.

So I went in the house and they were there visiting with friends or something very formally in the living room just talking to these people. I didn't know who they were even. And I walked in and without asking permission just said, mom, dad, what does mean? And they were like, you know, kind of like, I can't believe he said it. but but but I never felt like I couldn't do that right I always felt like they were they were open to that but I do feel like as I grew older and matured I felt like I could do that more with dad and less with mom because it might upset mom but dad would have a more even take on it so oftentimes if I had stuff I struggling with with school or anything else it was almost from probably junior high on

it was almost always dad that I would go to with those sorts of things and it didn't mean that mom wasn't understanding or nurturing or any of those things because she was. It's just it was a different level of it. And he was better at making me feel like I was in a safe, a place where he wasn't going to flip out. Right. And the irony is he's telling everyone does not be so, well, it's telling mom not to be so negative, but you can come to him with negative. And that, that was what was modeled to me too. I heard that phrase my whole life, but I really felt like it was only directed her. Yeah, almost entirely. And the rest of us could be negative anytime we wanted. I mean, he obviously He didn't love it.

He was very sensitive to emotions and mood, I think. Yeah. No, I think that's a good assessment. And then if you take, like, broaden it out, what are you taught in schools? What teachers allowed you to say, you know, did anyone have you work through conflict verbally? You know, most people I know are conflict-averse culturally. I think it's very normal, especially where I live now. but just conflict diverse a little bit like you know that phrase of if you have nothing nice to say you don't say anything at all just go you know complain behind their backs

you know like that's modeled in lots of ways and this this guy brings up an interesting addition to this which is what feels like you know his parents started to treat I mean is he technically a millennial he's not but a very common millennial trope which is their parents We're always just telling them they're wonderful and they are the best at everything and, you know, that type of praise and accolade without the requisite accomplishment, right? Yeah, yeah. Which is such a messed up thing to do to somebody, right? And we think it was helpful that, like, the parenting at the time was helpful. Maybe I've told you the story, but I was on TV a long time ago. Do you remember this?

Yeah, I remember this. Anyway, it was stupid. It was some local Utah state. and I, Adam's family wrote a book and I was there to help them. Blah, blah, blah. It was so stupid. But anyway. Adam's family wrote a book.

Adam's family, I know. Crazy. I didn't even hear myself say it. Anyway, but while I was waiting to go on where we were talking about just this stupid book. And there were other really dumb things. I hope that show was not on the air anymore. But anyway, they had families talking about self-esteem. And I almost lost my mind because they were saying the most important things.

is you can just keep telling your kid that they're wonderful. And I'm like, what? That is not what self-esteem is. That is your mom saying, you're so handsome. I don't know why the girls don't want to date you. That's what that is. No, don't do that. In fact, it's the opposite of self-esteem. Yeah. What I hear this guy talking about is that that was, like, you're so smart. You're doing wonderful. You know, you're all of these different things. And not feeling that yourself creates a, some cognitive dissonance, right? I'm told I'm this. I don't feel like that.

Also, I'm not actually that in certain context, right? Smart being one of the worst things we can say to somebody because smart means you are a thing that is never not a thing, right? And so when you go to a class where you don't know all the answers, then you're not smart. How about you just haven't learned it yet? Like it's pretty wild how you take a young brain that's very black and white and give it an identity that everyone's,

seems to be real happy about, and it's how I'm loved, and I get to go to a special class, and, you know, and then they're all in my therapy office after 30 years because they're not special at all, right? But they were told they were special when really that earning of self-confidence or self-worth or the feeling of like, the self-worth you can give a kid is just, I love you no matter what you do and who you are. That's all a parent can really offer. Problem is parents surely love to watch their kids win at sports. I love to love to see their fancy artwork or their play the violin and so it's really that messaging is really tied up in doing and and that you are a thing to me and so I hear that in his email thinking okay

he has this disconnect um and he's done fine in life it sounds like right yeah working out but this what I can do with negative feelings negative feedback like just no skills there and this is a really common problem. Someone can be very functional in all sorts of ways, but have never learned how to have difficult conversations or how to not go along to get along because that is so imperative to being a good player or fitting in or all of those different social benefits that we have when someone plays well with a team, right? So there's value in that. But in the other hand, these skills are missing. Is this a similar, someone in the chat I just brought up something made me think of it.

Red Link says that this is similar to imposter syndrome. Is it the same kind of thing? Or is it that exact thing? Maybe it is. I don't know. Well, okay. So it's not exactly the same, but it can be relevant or related in that, in the sense of, if you're told you're a special flower forever and you're in the accelerated programs at school.

And then you go out to the workforce and you struggle, you know, you can, you could just feel pretty terrible about that and, you know, feel like I should be better or, you know, expectations. What's the phrase everyone always uses? Um, uh, well, we just expected more of you or, you know, that kind of idea of I'm just falling short, right? Of what? Some made up things someone had about what your life should be. I mean, I thought my kid should play, you know, major league baseball. You should see his left-handed throw. Is that even related to normal anything? No. In fact, there's some research on D1 athletes and like Olympians and others. You know what the biggest contributing factor to a person being an Olympic level athlete or a D1 level high

college or professional is that they have a sibling who's done it. Oh, really? That's it. So if you think of what that actually means, that means there's a hell of a lot of parenting going into professional athletes. And every dang parent is acting like that's what their third grader is going be because it's kind of true and yet how many are there actually right um anyway how young is how young does this sort of start because i was just thinking the other day you know we're obviously cameron and i are in a biased position here but whenever we see phoebe do something crazy like she's a year old now barely and she can say three syllable words and she'll repeat them for the first time when she first hears them when you say him to her face she'll just repeat them and we think that's amazing

she's a genius our words we're saying you know we're just lavishing her future on her she i can't believe it a year imagine what she'll be like what she's 10 like like this kind of stuff you're not doing her any favors they'll speak all the words right but i but what i'm what i'm thinking is there's layers to this like we're we're in the the the the pops and nana phase with her yeah that's different different levels of of compliment compared to what her parents are doing. So it's her parents that have to be a little bit more careful. We expect grandparents. Yeah, because we expect

our grandparents to like lavish everything on us, right? You can do whatever you want. Your grandparents. Yeah. Keep it up. You don't have to change. But at some point, it does seem like there's a cognitive point in these kids' lives, though, where you do have to be careful. It's like when they're one or two, they just respond to positive

feedback. They don't, you know, they don't know the nuances of it or internalize it. But when they're 10, and if all they get is you're perfect, you're a genius, you're going to do everything, you're giving them expectations that maybe they can't, you know, keep in line. You're in a mental prison is what you're doing. And no one does that on purpose. But what in every, and here's the underestimating maybe of the power of your influence is

they just want to please you. So if you're like, that bar is super low to please me. and I think you're great and I'm excited to watch your life, then you have a different formula than we're going to do all the things and make sure you have all these opportunities so that you can be ridiculously amazing, right? It's just pressure at some point, right? And every kid's going to be slightly different,

and then parents and their motives are different. And that's why I always like to have people check their motives because it's difficult, right? I just had another one, guys. I'm going to share my living through my kid problem, which I have. And it's always freaking through sports because I can't help myself. I'm with every dad. I'm every dad.

I think about the Roman Empire a lot. And I want my kids to play sports for me. I thought we were done with that whole thing. You think I could grow up, but I can't. Football season ends, basketball triads, which is my favorite sport. Basketball triads are coming up. And I keep saying, so, you know, Elliot, you can, you know, let me see. six feet now like it's going to be better i'll get your brand new shoes again and he's just

not going to do it you guys he just doesn't want to spend all this time doing something he's not feeling like he really wants to and i'm like i need another kid yeah but he played football i have one yeah that kid hate basketball to his core and is building small machines in his bedroom that is not it's not the child i can live through terms of that. So what's interesting is it's so much easier to let Pete be Pete because I don't care so much about the stuff he does. I care about how he feels about the stuff he does. Whereas I love basketball and my son does not love basketball. So he feels like I don't love him. Yeah. There's this tall who's not being tall in a sports way. It's driving crazy. Gosh, dang it. What a waste of all these

jeans. Anyway, but again, it's I can laugh about it because I don't truly believe any of this. But I do feel the feeling sometimes like come on your potential that's the word I was trying to remember oh potential oh that's potential right and if I had a penny for every client who said to me I'm just not living up to my potential out loud as a grown person and we we dig back into the archives and hear that over and over in their childhood right well your potential well who made up that potential well maybe it was a test maybe it was oh school is a way to measure that potential or, you know, whatever it might be, right? We get excited as parents.

We get excited and it's all from love, so let's just stick with that. But how it plays out when you're 45 is maybe that don't be negative, don't have feelings outside of a particular box. We have all decided as a family is what we do. So, you know, Johnson's, we don't scream in public. Okay, that's probably a good one, right? But maybe it's, hey, Johnson's, we never say a negative word. You're like, okay.

So then you just don't know maybe what to do with those feelings or maybe your feelings aren't so huge or they've been shrunk or something. So you're like, oh, this is fine. But where it shows up is in the workplace when someone's like, I know what we should do. And it's some crazy idea you think is terrible. And what you need to do is say, that's a terrible idea. But the courage, the practice, that's not there. So here's my overarching advice for this person. Read a couple books.

Start with. Homework. crucial conversations. Crucial conversations. It's a book. Crucial conversation. Tools, I'll give you the byline. Tools for talking when stakes are high. Second edition. Just get on how many editions there. There's also another one. I think it's called Four Conversations. Anyway, read some books on conversations. Read some books on communicating hard things. Like, lean into, I'm not good at this thing, especially when you've already been sort of, catapulted your whole life into pretending you're good of things, even if you're not. Like, that's where this ties together is the humility and the curiosity and the beginning mind kind of energy that is like, I don't know, I'm not good at a thing. I could read about it. I could learn about it.

I could take a class. I could do some things to, and this is not about really as simple as learning a skill. It's about practicing something you have no practice doing, right? And so go to a fight club. Honestly, that was what Fight Club is all about. You know, find a way to... Going out of your comfort level and finding a way to express those things you've been keeping inside. And don't talk about.

Yeah, go to Fight Club. And then don't talk about Fight Club. Minds that don't talk about Fight Club part. You know, openly communicate. So practice with your partner. Like, have a fake fight where you are going to, you know, practice tolerating the discomfort of sharing something scary, negative, you know, some kind of feedback. find someone online who can be your buddy where you can just pass back and forth negative thoughts. You know, you're just finding ways to practice a thing.

So if you're a parent of young kids or thinking about, you know, how you impact other people, having this kind of practice at home, right? So I think one of the gifts dad and mom gave us, Scott, was learning how to just express ourselves, right? So you can talk to them at any point. No topic was forbidden. They had that little court they held where you got to practice being a lawyer to try to get your ear pierced or whatever. Yeah. We had to go.

We literally had a small mock trial to push over ideas that we really wanted. So if I wanted to pierce an ear, we would present evidence. A jury of his peers. Yeah. How did it was the jury of your peers? Like just my mom, my dad, us, the rest of the kids. Yeah. The dogs.

Yeah. The dogs. Exhibit A. Let me show you Exhibit A. What it was was, hey, here's a conflict. Let's get you to, you know, talk about it. So I did this. I took that page out of Dad's book. And when Abe wanted Snapchat, I made him present a full presentation on everything

he could find out about Snapchat, where it's funding sources where who makes the most money, what the technology is meant to do to you. And then I needed him to show me, you know, give me everything you can find out about this. And the kid came to us, does this presentation and goes, I don't want Snapchat. And I was like, cool. And he's still to this day, he's used it, of course, because that's how people connect. But he's just like, I hate that app so much. Well, it's because he figured some stuff out. But instead of, hey, we don't talk about this or you do what I say, because I'm the parent, there's a chance to express yourself and share what you're frustrated or what's hard and that type of thing. And you can

model that, right? No one's going to be perfect like this. And especially if your parents did not model it to you. It might be a real leap to be like, you know, we are going to talk about hard things. My sweet, she's passed away now. This is Adam's sweet aunt, who I love very much. When she first got married, she and her husband had their first fight and she thought, I guess we're getting divorced. And it's because she never once saw a negative word spoken in her home, which is not good. That's not human. Now, I understand. Don't fight in front of kids and you know but there is a version of like just real and the more of that can be real the better okay so going back to our person i want them to read some books i want them to learn a skill i want him to

take on this idea of this is something not that i should know because it was never modeled to you you never were trained in it you you don't understand your own self in this so what if you went to it as like an alien coming from another planet and going i don't understand any of this let me figure it out. Huh. Here's some, I mean, you already did some of it in the email, right? Okay, this is a founding principle in my life, was I was told I was good at stuff even when I wasn't. So, how do I deconstruct that? Okay, what other factors play a role here? Okay, so what are the actual skills I need? You know, use your business brain and act like you need to learn this skill and be open to learning it can go a long way. Because this doesn't get fixed with just magic

insight. Insight's awesome. It's one of the best tools. There is. There is. and human behavior so we can have insight and go, oh, I'm doing this for this reason. Where it gets real practical is we got to wire your neurons around a different experience. So that's why giving a speech, you know, it's everyone's greatest fear. People who do it more and more and more, eventually their brain goes, oh, this isn't that scary because there's neurons to say, oh, yeah, I can do this. I have an idea. It's actual self-esteem, guys, this is what I'm talking about.

Yeah. It's actually building self-confidence because a skill is. being developed and learned. But often when we're older, we think, well, there's nothing for me to learn and I'm going to hunker down on being ashamed that I don't know something, right? Yeah. And you know what? I have to admit, like, I didn't realize it was happening. And maybe even until now, I didn't realize it was happening. But us doing these little mock trials to get, like, whatever teenage thing we wanted, we had to present why and really have good evidence to back it up. That built skills around critical thinking. And,

In negotiating. Negotiating. Compromise. But not only that, it was like, oh, well, I can't just say, well, because my friends did and it's cool. I mean, that's a lame argument. So that would be lame in any other context. It's like, why do you want this car?

Because it's cool. I mean, that's not good enough. Because my friends have one. My friends have one. No, you have to say, well, no, I only commute from here to there. So really, this is too much to have a Ferrari. But maybe something more sensible. Gas mileage.

Do, do, do, do, do, do you work it through. Right, right, exactly. And then when you partner or you have. have children or neighbors, oh, neighbors, even neighbors you can practice this with, right? Of having a skill set to communicate in ways that you can feel good about, right? Rather than feel hamstrung because no one could say negative words in your home. And that's real. Yeah.

Or the negativity just came out sideways, right? We don't actually talk about it, but man, was it there? You know? So there's that. There you go. I like it. I like it. This is really,

that actually got me thinking about, I don't know. You know you were talking about this guy's in his mid-40s, right? Yeah. Brian and I are both 54. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Hurts even saying it, doesn't it?

It just sucks saying it. But we've been doing this long enough that at one point doing this show, Brian and I were both 44. And it got me to thinking about how, you think when you become an adult, let's say 35. and on even just to be generous, you think you're kind of going to hit that point and then you're going to, that is who you're going to be. That's who you are. You're off to the races.

You're locked in. You're locked in. Your life is. Yeah. Your brain is formed around whatever it's going to be formed, like a big moose knuckle up there, you know. It's not going to budge or whatever. But it's so incorrect that notion that we've got it all figured out by then. Like if, if I look back at 10 years ago, I am in such a different place than I was 10 years ago. And I can only assume, from deduction that in the next 10 years I'm going to be very different as well or things are going to be very different as well whatever that means and I think that maybe that's an important thing to remember because sometimes we think we're stuck so if you're in your mid 40s and you're in this you know job and you feel like oh I can't change I'm in my mid 50s I'm in my mid 40s this is who I'm always going to be yeah grandma Moses Peyton in her 80s right exactly she was man she kicked A she was great she did and also she's part of Red Sea also like you don't have to be doing real cool things like her but you are going to do new things right and and that's that's part of what's tricky i mean part of why mom has a broken rib is because she doesn't want to use a cane or a walker because that's not who she is right well it is now

it is now and that's hard so we can either sort of work with i mean i always talk about grief right grieving all the little small things because there's things to to grieve as things change and there's also things to embrace as they change right right and so yeah being at an age being at an age in a physicality where you fall and hit your rib on the side of a table and crack it is nobody wants to have that day right they're all just like no i don't want that but it does take if you work on this stuff now it seems like when we all hit our 80s hopefully uh all things willing we can hit our rib and go that's a sign i should It's signed for the cane.

Yeah, I should probably do the cane thing. But, you know what? I'm going to look for, I'm not just going to take any cane. I'm not going to Walmart for my cane. I'm going to do a little research. I'm going to top hat. I want the Mr. Peanut Can. But that's the attitude, right?

That's the attitude. And man, when I see somebody who's in their like 80s and 90s who still does that, who make adjustments based on their lives and do it with their head held high, there is something really admirable about that. Yeah. Now, it could be just faking it until you make it. It also could be just your work on accepting, right? That's a huge part of it.

Yeah. So let's all do that, everyone. Let's do that. That's the general advice. And read crucial conversations if you are struggling with communication. There's so many of them. That's the first one I thought of. Well, that's a good one.

It works. I could get more if they want more ideas. Totally. Totally works. And we look forward to feedback from this listener to see if any of this helped. Please let us know. Wendy, there's no more signups at the moment, right? you're done there are dude oh there are until monday so you have till sunday night

scott is not in charge of that you are dude it is sunday night is the deadline is at midnight please sign up i'm going to send one more obnoxious email to get your attention and then no more's coming i don't know about you people but i like like like the fifth i think i'll just get more reminders so i'm like i'll do it i'll do it i'll do it i'll do it and then the last one comes and goes and i'm like wait a minute i missed it so that don't let that happen to you this will be the last reminder email I'll send out in a day or two. And then it's Sunday night is our deadline. It's going to be a blast. We already have, oh, 25 people. It's going to be great. So this happens every time. I always get about that many. And then everyone shows up at the last minute. And I understand

I do the same thing. So make sure you show up. It's going to be a great time. Indeed. Realsteps.org. November 5th is your midnight deadline. Get in there, get it done. Wendy, have a fantastic week. Thank you. Don't eat all that candy your kids. I guess you're one kid God. Did he go trick-or-treating or no? Oh, heck, yeah. And he was a mad scientist with his own hair and we just sprayed it up white. It was pretty awesome.

Perfect. Yeah, it was good. Yeah. Did you, are you, but are you with standing? Are you withholding the candy? I mean, what are you doing with the candy? Here's the thing. You know, I don't know if you know this.

Tell me if you're holding. This is really actually good, real step fodder is I have cured my relationship with candy. You have? I have. You guys don't understand. It has no hold on you. It doesn't. I eat a little bit until I don't like it feels good and then I'm done, Scott.

Wow, I'm impressed because your whole life, especially younger. This is why I need to get in on the next. Yeah, you do. Because I'm telling you, I did it. And it was accidental because I thought I was helping everyone else. Turns out it was really helping me. It was you the whole time. It's really amazing.

Nutter butters have a hold of me. Yeah, Nutter butters, you and NutterButters have an unhealthy relationship. You know, I have given reasons. Have you had them? They're so good. Reasons? Reasons? Yeah.

I'm doing it right now, you guys. They're R-E-I-S-E-I-N. I don't know. They're German and it's, they are so addicting and delicious. What is it? R-E-I-S. Oh, they're the covered chocolate-covered raisins. Oh, I have had these years ago.

They're so good. And I know at least 10 people right now who blame me for their new addiction because I've introduced them. But I can have one or two and walk away. Yeah. That's it. I spelled wrong. Yeah. That's all right.

It's a German thing. Yeah, it's a German thing. Everything's loud and horrible from them. Okay, bye. Have a fantastic week. We'll see you then. All right. Thanks, guys. Bye. Why can I hang up on you there? Oh, geez. All right. Hey, listen to this. This is how Wikipedia says it. Reason. So she was right. Reason. Yeah, you say the, it's German. You say the second of the two vowels. So you would say reason. Ah. I didn't know that about German. If it was R-E-I-S-M, and you'd say horizon. I took one year of German. or a semester of German and forgot it all, all of it. Did you?

No memory. I took three years of Spanish and I don't even think I'd be able to order a biria at the Day de los Mertos event. As long as you do it at that awesome accent, you'll be fine. You'll get what you need. So look at these. Is there dark chocolate reasons? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They've got a bunch of these. They've been making these since the 30s. Geez. Wow. The 1930s? Well, why is a 30-ounce bag $51 on Amazon Prime? Can someone please tell me that? Name the thing I will not buy today.

That. I will not do that. I need a $22. So this is a 30-ounce bag. Yeah. That still seems high, doesn't it? Seems high. Yeah, but it's good European chocolate as opposed to.

I just can't get, this one looks like it's milk chocolate. I can't tell if it's, it just says, chewy chocolate caramel covered in rich European chocolate. I can't tell if it's Oh, that's probably milk. It's probably better chocolate, but it's probably milk still. Yeah. It doesn't, yeah, just European chocolate does not

is not. What's the deal with American stuff? It's like Hershey's has some kind of acid in it. Paraffin wax. The stuff in lava lamps that we're eating. Yeah, exactly. It's what we're eating. No, but there's like a gosh. It's a call. It's some thing. And if you like that flavor, you prefer American chocolate.

If you don't, then you hate it. And then you only want a European. I think I was okay with it. Like, I can eat a Hershey's Bar and not feel bad. I don't mind it. Yeah. Yeah. It's all right. So, yeah, I did see the chocolate segment on John Oliver this last weekend. Yeah. Oh, was it good? I missed that. It's good. It's sad. It's like, oh, you've got all these people who don't even make a living wage who are making, who are like retrieving your chocolate, your cocoa, uh, cocoa beans or cacao beans or whatever. And, uh, and then all these people who are making a lot of money. from it in the middle it's it's you know as with everything john oliver you find something that you

think is all sunshine and roses and it turns out it's really shit yeah and you get to laugh here and there which is nice right exactly uh all right well done i got a quick thing and now this and now this hey check this out michael uh wrote in about inline catalogs we were talking about those right how they suck and they're huge and you don't like them and they're annoying right well michael from Indiana. He's in the biz of delivering packages, says, I just wanted to answer Brian's question about the postman perspective on those super thick U-line catalogs. They are a huge pain to carry and we absolutely are not fans. And that's all I got from. I don't doubt it one bit. And I'm sorry that I got on that list and I apologize that I'm never ever going to be able

to get off of that list. Yeah. I think, yeah, I'm never either. But that's okay. I just at this point, well, whatever. I just throw them away. It's just a waste it's a waste that's my problem i put them in the recycling bin and then i don't even know because of john oliver if it's even getting recycled i don't know yeah what do i know exactly oh and katsumi does confirm they are at the grocery store and they are dark chocolate and it's a lot cheaper at the grocery store than buying it at uh yeah uh on amazon it's funny the same 30 ounce bag on amazon i apparently can get at staples staples for 14 really well staples does have a lot of like they have that aisle that when you walk through, you can grab shit.

It's basically like, oh, I forgot it. It's a secretary, what do they call secretary's day now? What do they call that like administrative assistant day? Dang it, I forgot to get her something. I know. I get her a bag of recent chocolate. Don't eat too many, though, because there's still raisins in there and you'll get the from that. No, those are no raisins.

It's chocolate and caramel. Oh, it is? Yeah. Just because it sounds like the word raisin, doesn't mean there are raisins in it. I thought there were raisins in it. Yep. Like literally, I thought they were chocolate-covered raisins. Are they not?

They're chocolate-covered caramel. So watch out because it'll pull a filling out, not necessarily that you get the... Yeah, I don't want that. Yeah. Plus, you know, me and the sugar, we don't get along. If you find a raisin in your recent, it probably isn't a raisin. Ew. Fowl.

There are chocolate-covered raisins. What are those called? They're called raisinettes. Oh, shit, that's right. Or Goobers or Goober's chocolate-covered raisins? as well, or are those Peanuts, goobers are peanuts. The goobers are peanuts.

I think raisinets is right. Raisinets of the chocolate. I've confused it. This is a lot like carbonated meat. Somehow I've confused it. Apparently it is. It's like, wait, it's made by seltzers. It must be carbonated.

Wait, it's called reason. It must have raisins. I think we've got it figured out. Yeah, no, now we know the method to the stupid madness. All right. Quick reminder shows today, two, or excuse me, noon, coverville as mentioned before coverville.com slash

or Twitch.com slash coverville Brian will be Spinning the Johnny Marr hits today so check that out Core today 5pm normal core this week I'll be playing or I'll be talking a bunch about what I think of this new Robocop game

that is taking Steam by Storm people are really into it so Really? Oh funny. Brand new Robocop game that really leans into that original movie as far as like you know In fact I think it's set between it's set either between one and two

or two and three I couldn't tell you I couldn't tell you like how two begins or you know any of that stuff so it's like you might as well just tell me it's between five and six with a dash of demolition man in there for good measure that's right

two had all I know about two or my memory of two is that they have that nuke drug called nuke oh right okay and that he's trying to do this is either pre nuke or post nuke but I'm not 100% sure but Peter Weller's doing the voice and everything they got this like kind of a big whoop so i'm i'm excited to play it

it looks like a riot wow uh we'll talk about it tonight on core 5 p.m and then the couch party planned for you patrons is tomorrow at 10 a.m we're going to watch half of something and i already forgot we're watching we're watching half of solo oh solo that's right we're going to watch so this week and lo next that's right we're going to see if that movie's as bad as everybody remembers it being or if it was bad at all or if we just needed time i don't think it was bad at all but I can't wait to be proven wrong. I think Solo was good. They just cast the wrong, the wrong guy to play Han,

and they came up with a dumb reason for his name to be Han Solo. I hated that part. That's the only part I remember. Can we skip that part when it comes up? Can we just jump right over it? I remember at the end there's some Darth Mall business. I remember that being kind of cool. I think that's the movie where that's in there.

Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah. We'll see. Anyway, that'll be tomorrow at 10 a.m. for you patrons. And a live core crew stream of Bliscon's opening ceremonies tomorrow at noon mountain. Here at all the streaming stuff, find it all at frogpants.tv. We'll also put that up on feeds and stuff so you'll get the audio versions. Hopefully they'll let us archive the video version.

You never know until those things are done. And if they ask for takedowns or whatever, we'll find out. Play retro on Friday at 2.30 Mountain Time as well. That's also tomorrow. And film sack this weekend, which movie we're doing, I don't remember. We're having a roundtable discussion on something. Oh, right. And you and I, because Randy has BlisCon, and rather than make Randy, who's got enough on his plate right now with BlisCon, try and come up with a topic, you and I should come up with something, or you mean, Brian, should come up with something and take that work off of poor Randy's plate.

That's right. And people love a roundtable discussion, so we're going to bring you another one of those, and that'll be this weekend. So lots of content, skim some time, too. I don't know what else is going on. Why is planes, trains, and automobiles the best thing? Thanksgiving movie. It's a great question. Can we ever truly answer it? You'll have to tune in and find out. Those aren't pillows? That's how we answer that question. Yeah, that's the answer and it's the perfect answer. That's it for the show. Thanks everybody for supporting us on

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Sign up today over at patreon.com slash TMS and become a part of the larger TMS family. That's going to do it for the show. Brian probably got music, so let's get it out of a system. One more thing. You probably won't miss that $2. Give it to us. You won't even miss it. It's not like you're going to say, oh, that $2

dollars just tip the scales and now on the poverty line. No, you're going to be like $2. You've got $2 in this hand, and then you've got your phone in this hand, and you're focused on your phone, and you're listening to us, and you look over at this hand,

what was in this hand? I don't remember. I'm not remembering so much what was in this head, because this hand, the left hand, I'm devolving from Gilbert Godfried into Rocket Raccoon. Yeah, I was going to say, this is a real crossover event.

It's a red button. All right, let's get to, Let's get to a request. Sean Nagel wrote in, said, I turn 45 on November 2nd. That's today. And if all went well, I just had a kidney transplant. Oh, wow. Okay, well, first of all.

Happy birthday. You get the old lady because, you know, getting a kidney. Yes. Kind of an old lady thing. You've got to be the only time the phrase, if all went well, I just had a kidney transplant. Damn. You never, that's something, that's a phrase that's a name. ever been uttered.

Thanks to an amazing friend, my favorite, oh, thanks to an amazing friend, period. My favorite band is Deftones. Feel free to play a cover of or by or related to. Thank you, Scott, Brian, and the whole Frog Pants community for being so damn distracting. Cheers, sign Sean Nagel. Happy birthday and happy kidney. Yeah, happy kidney day. Happy kidney.

If you get a new, if you get somebody else's kidney, how long does it take for your first foreign kidney pee? You know what I mean? That's a big moment. Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I'm peeing somebody else's pee or something. I don't know how it works either. Yeah.

All right. So, Deftones. Let's talk Deftones. This one I've had since 2005, I think it comes from a CD or release called B-Sides and Rarities from Deftones. And it took a while for me to recognize and remember that this is a cover because the song that's a cover of up until recently was a B-side on. an extended mix single by the band Duran Duran. That song is called Nightboat, and this last year, last September when I saw them,

they opened their concert with a cover, I'm sorry, with Night Boat, B-Side that they opened their show with, and they opened their brand new album, probably relatedly, dance macabre. Which is an excellent Duran Duran Duran album. Don't Sleep on this one. Covers of Billy Eilish,

covers of Talking Heads, covers of oh who else is on there Rick James of all people it's called Dance Maccob he came out last week and it is the perfect Halloween album or post-Hallowing album too

anyway the song is called Night Boat it's Deftones covering Duran Duran here it is Thank you. We're going to be able to be. We're going to be able to be. Standing on the edge of the key

No light flashes on the water for me Bug in my mind, darking in my eyes Silently screams for a distant sound With the river yellow Riding full breath of breeding and drown Stillness overcomes me in the now Listen to the right, see what I'm waiting Waiting for the nightfall

I'm waiting Waiting for the nightfall Shuttle, throw me, shout away, echoed me, echoes me, echoes me. Am I alone or is the river alive? Cause it echoes me, echoes me, echoes me, I'm waiting. Waiting for the night before. I'm waiting. I'm waiting for the night home

Waiting for the night ball I'm waiting Waiting for the nightbowl I'm waiting Waiting for the night ball Waiting for the nightfall. I don't know. Get more at frogpants.com.

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