The Morning Stream - TMS 2556: All Hail Shlamoopy

Episode Date: November 16, 2023

I Have Spread Disease Before. M'Cack not M'Cock. The Stamps of Attunement. Darren Agnostic. Exiling Squirrels. Soft and Soggy Bags. Weirdo White Man. The Smell of Burning Smoke. It wasnât me. It was the face. I'm in the mood for goat horns. Michael is a Psychotic Child. Shirtless With A Baby Tiger. Jesus is a Pillow. Click on my box and tell me that you love me. Being Rude to Boomers with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Did you know adults 60 plus lose more than $60 billion each year to financial exploitation? Greenlight's new family shield plan empowers you to monitor your accounts for suspicious activity, protect yourself with up to $1 million identity theft coverage, and reassure loved ones that you're safe with location sharing and place alerts. Get peace of mind today at greenlight.com slash protect. That's greenlight.com slash protect. TMS is brought to you daily by the support of our patrons at Patreon. dot com slash tms like john baker bat dan and jason t coming up on tms i have spread disease before macaque not macaque

the stamps of attunement i'm darren agnostic exiling squirrels soft and soggy bags weirdo white man the smell of burning smoke wasn't me it was the face i'm in the mood for goat horns michael is a psychotic child shirtless with a baby tiger jesus is a pillow click on my box and tell me that you love me. Being rude to Boomers with Wendy and more on this episode of the morning stream. Guess what?

Corey Hayman and Corey Feldman are giving out their personal numbers. If you call 1,900-909-3700, you can listen to their private phone messages and get their personal number where you can leave them a message of your own. I guess I believe you. D.

M-M-S. D. D. M-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-E. The morning stream. This is what I love about my job. I get to travel, see the world, meet new cultures. I mean, it's all bacterial, but hey, what the bleep.

Hello, everybody. Welcome to TMS. It is Thursday, November 16th, 2023. Scott Johnson here and Brian Abbott there. Good morning. Good morning, Scott. Yeah. Thursday, big day.

Big, big day. That is a big day. Thursdays are crazy days. They are. Yeah, good fun with Wendy on the show, typically, and then roll into some coverville later. We'll talk about what I'm going to be doing on the show today. But we get into the final stretch of Coverville for the year, and it's like, the big Beatles episode on Thanksgiving, and then the two episodes for the end of year. And then the, you know, it's like, this is where it gets a little on the crazy side.

Yeah, things get a little nutty around here. Here's the thing, though, I was just thinking about the Beatles. They effectively only had, this blew my mind, working together and making music together before the band was either not a band or stop being a band. It's like seven years. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, you know, you look at like 1963 to 1970, basically. And even there near the end, they'd kind of, it was closer to like 1969 when they really kind of.

I think when the light is that intense from. that short of a period of time. The only solution is the band doesn't end up staying together, especially not with all these, like, creative wonderkins, all of them except for maybe the drummer. But you know what I mean? Like, it's like, it's like, he's fine, but he wasn't like going, he didn't sprout off and do some amazing solo work. He did some stuff, but it wasn't great.

It was okay. George's stuff was amazing, except for that one song we all hate. don't all hate that song Oh that song Remember it's a cover Come on now It's like to me That and we built this city

You're hanging out together Oh gosh No they're far from Far from it Oh both those songs Just kidding I got my mind Anyway that's a thing

But I couldn't I could not wrap my head around the fact That this is a seven year collaboration And that is it But look at the impact It's crazy Yeah It's true

Nothing quite like it You know No exactly And you know Still releasing stuff right like the brand new song this year that I have mixed feelings about and it's really specifically about George Harrison's non-involvement because they used AI to figure out the whole like how to how to separate Lennon's piano from his vocals so that they could get a better quality of a song they used basically the same thing

that Peter Jackson used for for the Disney Plus documentary or Disney Plus Beatles home movies Oh, right, right. And, but then you've got George Harris, or you've got Paul McCartney who did a solo that sound, that with the intent to sound like George Harrison. And that, that's weird. I can't, I don't, I don't hate it, but I don't love it either. Yeah. And I don't know why I have such a problem with that.

There's a real artifice to that. That's hard to ignore. There is, exactly. It's like, you know, if he, if it were, if it weren't guitar, if Paul McCarney says, well, I'm going to, I'm going to basically sing like I'm George Harrison. And like he actually sings on the track like George Harrison, people where people would be up in arms about it. Yeah. And that's. Hence why you're torn.

I get it. But I do like the song and I do, you shut up, Claire. And, but I, but I'm, yeah, there's just that little tiny bit that's like a little asterisk for me. I like the song, asterisk. Do they assume everybody got, they're working with various estates and are willing to do these collaborations and do the AI business and all?

Nobody was, nobody who was involved. I mean, nobody, no estates were harmed in the making of the new Beatles song. Good. Probably only benefited is my guess. Right, exactly, yes. Only made money. No lose money.

All right. We've been getting so many calls lately. lately. And I love it. Yeah, no complaints. I absolutely love it. So we're going to do three in a row today. And this first one's amazing because it really took me down to memory lane. I'll give Randy some thanks later because he kind of helped me find the thing because I think I lost it in that old hard drive crash that we had years ago. Oh, cool. Good. Okay. So found a little thing. Anyway, it'll make sense when I play it. But this is what the call was. And then I'll share more. Here you go. Greetings SARS and Boothonic.

This is Derek. Hey, I'm on the hunt for a bit of Frog Hands Lost Media. So I remember about 10 plus years ago, way back when Randy was still a guest host on the instance. Someone, some listener, made an EDM track made up of stuff Randy said on the show. and I just remember the title of the track being I have spread disease before the only snippet that I hear in my brain from that is Randy going

in an auto-tune fashion saying I have spread disease before something's going down in the world's board craft so yeah if any frog panthers who are not lazy like I can get to track this down I think it's all benefit of that script that's that way of me.

Okay, thanks. Love you all. Bye. Okay, great call, and it really sent me on a track, because I could not find it on my old drives. I searched everywhere. I was like, man, is this lost a time? And I pinged Randy.

I said, hey, do you have that old song that someone made? And they auto-tuned our voices. I love that thing, by the way. That was, yeah, that was a long time ago. A long time ago, and it's still in my head when, you know, I hear Randy sometimes, is, I remember him before. Well, he ended up finding it. He ended up finding it in his email of all places.

And I probably could have too, but I didn't think even look in there. But I brought it. I'm going to play it. So it's only a minute, all right? It's a minute long, but enjoy it because it's fun. Enjoy this. Here you go. I have spread.

before here's some of the stuff going down. In the eye in a world of war crack. There's one thing I want to say. Um, I have spread disease before. Go out with eight people. And you'll find that there's one or two more in your friends. You have a little gerbil in the world of war crimes. I have spread disease before here's some of the stuff going down.

In the eye in a little more powerful. I have spread to use before. Here's some of the stuff going down. I have spread disease before. There it is, man. Classic. I love that. Classic.

Who did that? Who did that? Is that a Gabor's? It is, no, it is a dude name Varian. V-I-N-B-S-R-D-E-N-B-A-U-R-E-N. There it is just V-A-U-R-E-N, which I assume is probably like a game name, like his. I was going to say probably his character name. Yeah.

So if he's still out there. there and listening, you're, that thing really stuck in people's heads. Like, we couldn't get rid of it. Stuck in my head and it's been however many years. What's the date on that? Do you, do you hear you see it? 20, uh, this is a 2010? 2010 or 09, maybe? Something like that. Wow. Yeah. It's been a bit, dude. It's been a, it's been some time more than 10 years. Um, here's, uh, and just for fun, this was the other one we really liked. I want to play a little of it. Catamolism. Catamwood.

Hey, nice. This is Rachel. Charlie Camvis. I'm sorry, what? I love that one. That's another good one. And that was Oxley who did like the intros and stuff for us back then. So many talented people doing cool shit.

Yeah, they really are. Yeah. What a time. Anyway, thanks for that. Brought a lot of memories back. Totally appreciate it. And I heard, oh, and when I found it, or when Randy found it, it said it to me,

I was playing World of Warcraft. What? What? Wow. Wow. I was leveling my paladin alt. Right when he said he had it. Timing.

The timing. Did you listen to it? Were you like grooving? Oh, totally grooving. Herbalism. Yeah. I got the message.

I started doing this, you know? Just kind of bob in my head like some kind of weirdo white man. It was fantastic. If the game was for me was just, hey, completing quests. No, I'm saying if World War Crest was just completing quest, leveling my rogue, all that, and rating with a team, I would resubscribe right away. The problem is I want to be more for my team than the guy who shows up the raid night and hits bosses. I want to bring potions.

I want to make sure that I've completed whatever fake busy work Blizzard is created for whatever, you know, this one like, oh no, you need to create, you know, create attunement stamps and collect those attunement stamps. You know, the stamps of attumement. There you go. Exactly. But you know what I'm talking about, like, how there was always that other thing that you had to make sure you completed. Oh, yeah. You had your dailies you had to do. And you had to get, if you didn't do your dailies, it may you didn't have the rep you needed or didn't have whatever else it was.

Yeah, all that stuff. You're totally right. And I spent some good years doing both. I spent some time so busy that I couldn't do all that myself. So people just carried me through those raids. Fine, whatever. I don't want to be, I don't want to feel like I'm being dragged. You know, it sucks.

I hate it. it. So later, like in the Cataclysm, Litch King era, I was full contribution, came with stuff, was always there, high DPS in the group. Yeah, absolutely. But I'm in the mood now. I'm exciting for some group content. I am looking forward to that. But I'm not going to, I'm not going to run meters. I'm not going to compare my DPS to everybody. Those days are behind me. I don't care about that anymore. I'll play my best. I'm going to come prepared. I want the gear. like all of that, but I'm not going to like, you know, oh, I'm 2.4 points per second off than I was the last run.

I'm not doing that. Right. Exactly. Yeah. That world is over for me. I had those mods. I did those things. I'm done.

I'm not doing that anymore. Yeah. Okay. We've got another one here about the Discord. You mentioned the Discord earlier in pre-show. We're going to talk about it now because some people just don't know how to get in there. And here's the call about that. Hey, it's Tom from New Hampshire.

I've been trying to figure out for past two days how to get into your district. I'm part of the Patreon. I signed up recently. Love the show. Love the extra stuff. It's Dan Pass it. Just playing around on Discord figuring it out. I don't see a link in the Patreon app to join the Discord or anywhere on the website to join the Discord.

How do I do it? Okay. First of all, we've made it too easy almost, and that's why it's kind of hard. It's obscurity by obscurity a little bit. But if you go to frogpants.com slash TMS, it's right. there on the website. If you go to, I just go down a little bit.

There it is. Under more, it says Discord channels, third thing over. That's one way to get in. But we don't lock it behind any kind of paywall. So anybody anywhere can get into the Patreon or into the Discord. And it's the broader Frogpants Discord.

So it's all the shows, all the stuff, all the things. And you really just have to go to frogpans.com slash Discord. That's it. Simple. Boom, bam, Bim.

You're in. So I decided rather than try to do a person, reply to him, which I couldn't do anyway because it's a voicemail. We'd play it here, and I'd give that information again for anyone who hasn't been paying attention. So if you want part of this Discord and to hang out with other tadpoolers and like-minded folk, then go to frogpants.com slash Discord and you're in. That's it. That's all you got to do.

Simple. Easy. That may, it couldn't be any easier. No. It's just a link and you click a box and it says, do you want to join this? Would you like to join Frog Prince? And then you're in. And it's a permanent link and there are no passwords.

You just get in. All right? Exactly. Ambassador Domo, so he's saying, where is Brian posting in Discord? I can't see what he is posting. I'm posted it in the, it's a new topic in the TMS chatter. Yeah, TMS chatter has like forums in there and you want to click on the forums to see that. Some of that's, so it's not always obvious because it doesn't, it doesn't notify you when a new thread goes.

So you kind of have to check. see, oh, there are new threads. Ooh, I like this one. I'm going to kind of follow it. Not even kind of, that's the term. You follow that thread, and then you get notifications when they're new post to that thread. Yeah.

And the Sarjast Discord has brought back forums. Yes, when they made the ability to convert your channel to a community channel, which we did, that included the addition of built-in forums, which we use all the time. There's all kinds of stuff going on in there. Plus all the regular Discord things. It helps keep things way more compact. Like, it keeps things nice. and tidy, but it means you've got to

look for a couple things when you're looking like you're like you used to with forums back in the day. You got to go in there and look, you know. Exactly. Anyway, get in there. Frogpants.com slash discord. All are welcome. Patron or not, just get in. We'd love you to be a patron, but you know, whatever.

We're not splitting hairs here. Okay, we've also been getting macaque wrong according to a phone call. All right? And let's be clear, Scott. We both got it wrong. You said, macaw or something like that macaw i think is what i said cow or macaw yeah and then i said no scott let's you know say it let's enjoy the getting to say that but apparently yeah well we have a we have a monkey

expert who wrote in or called in get this monkey off our back that's right it's been peeling my hair out uh here is the call in question hi this is ardo calling for the morning stream uh just in response to uh one of your guys's uh favorite pronunciations for a monkey, uh, normally known as by you all macac. Uh, after 12 years of working in various animal industries and zoos, as fun as it is to say it that way, uh, it's typically pronounced macaque, although, have fun and you do you. Okay. Okay.

She can correct me anytime. Yeah. I love, and it's not, it's not, you know, because she's a woman, it's because she's just so nice about it. It's so much nicer than the typical, like, yeah, you guys, you're pronouncing Chuitel Elijah Forerung. Get it together, okay? Yeah, this is way, this is so much more honey, contracts more flies or bees or whatever. What is it?

Yeah, honey. You catch more flies with honey than you do with a swatter or something like that. I think it's just you catch more flies with honey. Isn't that it? Is there more to that phrase? I don't know. I understand the basis of it, but I don't think I have it right. But anyway, yeah, macaque, fine, that's fine. And funny enough, I was watching a nature documentary in Richard Radenborough.

It's still damn funny, by the way, just as much fun to say, ah, look out, there's a, watch out, there's a macaque in the tree. Yeah, look out, we got a macaque. Oh, vinegar, that's right. Yeah, we catch more flies with honey than vinegar, right? Oh, is that the, that's the full phrase? But why would you attract? Is anyone out there trying to catch flies with vinegar?

Is there somebody out there? Is that a thing? Maybe it is a thing. No, I think it was just like, somebody came up with the phrase and said, yeah, but we need a second part to the phrase. You catch more flies with honey than, I don't know, vinegar. Put it out there. Just publish it out there, Roger. Now, Roger, who's the, Bartlett?

Put it on out there, Bartlett. That's right. It's 2 a.m. and we're out of pizza. Just publish, is what he says. Red Links. I like his version better. You catch more flies with. Macac.

Yeah, there you go. Maccax are great flycatchers. So this is the thing. When you get fruit flies, yes. When you get them, do you do this? Kim makes a little bowl of water and dishwashing liquid. That's what it is.

I was thinking it was vinegar, but it wasn't. It was dishwashing liquid. And then by the end of the day, all these little flies are in there. Wonder what they like, is there sugar in that? Or what's the deal there? I don't know what that's about. I don't know. Yeah, I have no idea.

I think they smell the sweetness of the, the dishwashing liquid, they go in and just it kind of bogs their wings down and they get stuck. I really, that's speculation. So those of you getting ready to dial your phones and tell me why I'm wrong, please. Yeah, or the macaque lady, she can tell us. I like how she does it. Stoic squirrel says vinegar attracts them. So you're mixing the water in vinegar, like with apple cider vinegar.

Oh, apple cider vinegar and dish soap. Maybe that is. Oh, it's all three. Okay. I knew there was something with dish soap in it. But I think it's also vinegar. So vinegar, they should change the phrase. You can attract more fruit flies with a mixture of vinegar dish soap.

Because it rolls right off your tongue. Just vinegar alone. Yeah, rolls right off your tongue. It's simple. You put on a t-shirt. Yeah, yeah. Really easy. Anyway.

Oh, you know what I caught yesterday? I cut something way bigger than a fruit fly. Uh-oh. Because, you know, I've been having problems with the squirrels. And it's not, you know, I love squirrels. I think they're adorable little, um, rodents with their big fluffy tails and the goofy way that they prance when they run sometimes and their knack for running part of the way in front of my cart across the street,

but then changing their mind and going back instead of just going the rest of the way. Yeah, yeah. But the problem is they get in my new bird feeder, my bird buddy bird feeder. Thank you, Tina, for that awesome birthday present. And they both eat all my food, but knock out all the rest of the food into the yard while they're looking for that one particular sunflower seed that they want.

So I refill that thing constantly and then I'm sure we're going to get weeds from all the stuff that's got knocked into the yard. So I tried spicy seed mix based on some listener recommendations and Colorado, we have so many great Mexican food restaurants here that put their leftovers in the dumpster

that the squirrels here have a very high tolerance for spice so that that's just not going to work no you can't be doing that exactly so um you got one of those little humane catchers oh that's good and it's like a little uh little wire box and uh there's a door on it that's held by a like a heavy door that's held by a metal post and that metal post goes down the side and connects to a little rocker seesaw switch that you put some food just passed so that they have to step on the little seesaw switch to get to it. And I caught two right away. Like, there's a family of three that always comes to the feeder, and they take turns knocking

food out, knocking all the seed out, looking for the sunflower seeds. And two of them I caught right away. A cracker with some peanut butter on it, great bait. Got those in the catcher, drove them a mile and a half. away to this little park where they'll have, I drove him to a farm upstate Scott, is what he did, but they drove him to a little park a mile and a half away, let them

go. They both ran into the same tree, so I'm like, oh, I bet they'll find each other be perfect. But then I've got this one that's just been like, maybe he saw what happened, he's like, oh, no, I'm just eating the food out of the theater. I'm not going for that cracker with peanut butter on it.

What if he's seen some stuff? That guy's been around, you might have seen some stuff. Finally, yesterday, he succumbed. to his desires for peanut butter and caught him. He was adorable. He's a cute little guy and took him over to the same tree, ran up the same tree, and I think he's reunited with the rest of his family. Well, good.

So you did the right thing. Although I just got a voicemail from Tina. I'm going to play it. This was her response to all this. We should eat those squirrels. It doesn't sound like her at all. It still tries so hard to do your thing. I just can't quite get it.

It's good eating. Yeah, that's funny. because that's that uh you know we've had the the clip you've played like or the the AI voice with the Tina voice thing that sounded a little bit more like teenie's voice that one just sounds like um play it again do you ever yeah yeah we should eat those squirrels yeah it uh I don't know who it sounds like but it maybe needs to be longer okay so let's try this let me generate a new one and I'll do it with okay um more text oh this might work care. Okay. Come on, come on, come on. Why is it taking so long? I'll like it's hard. I just put in the description of the show. Uh, so TMS, Frog Pants Morning Show, not like the kind you're used to. Come on, come on. TMS is the Frog Pants Morning Show, but not like the kind you're used to. Join Scott Johnson and Brian Ibbett four days a week. Great guests, great laughs, and all kinds of stupid stuff await you here. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday for

the, the latest in entertainment game show. live calls, contests, segments, and much more. I've found a typo, Brian. I love it. Yeah, exactly. Well done. You have a proofreader that's not my voice. You know what that totally reminds me of? The beginning of solar opposites when different groups of aliens were given a pupa

and ejected into the space. Yeah, I was like, hi, I'm Sorbo, Corbo. Yeah, I love that. It's pretty good. Although, what do they do now? I haven't seen the new one, so I don't know how they do it, but does Dan Stevens do the voice now? I mean, does the intro stuff. Dan Stevens does the intro and, uh, and it works.

That's me holding the pupa. Oh, I've dropped the pupa. I hate humanity. It's all stupid. It's great because they didn't try to say, hey, Dan Stevens, sound as much as you can like, um, uh, what's his voice? Royland, yeah, Royland, uh, do your own thing. And they even explain why his voice is different in the very first episode.

It is, it is great. I did see that. I saw the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, scene where you first hear it in the throat yeah somebody put that on somewhere in facebook or something but the uh but i haven't caught up to the season yet i'm excited oh my god it's so great and and they decided not to do obviously they couldn't do the same thing with the voice for um for rick and the person they got who does the the rick and morty voices uh is great i've been enjoying that new season as well two people by the way the uh two people yeah they got rick doing one dude doing rick and the other guy doing morty which is yeah interesting it is interesting it is

interesting, but it means that they don't have to do vocal tricks when the two of them are talking over each other. That's a good point. They can have them together doing their voices. Oh, geez, Rick, I don't know. Yeah, that's true. Actually, I think I like that better. Although, isn't there a scene in a recent episode where Rick is fighting with Rick, so he

kind of had to do that himself? Yeah, there's the evil Rick. I know it's evil Morty. Yeah. The iPatch Morty is joining Rick and Morty for another. Love it. Well, so because of that, Tina trick there. I was able to fix a

typo and I just finished it and checked it off. Now it's done. Yeah. I feel good about what's happened. What's transpired here today. Well, and don't ever change our typo, Scott, um, forever this Google Doc that we both work in will be called the morning steam as it has been for 2,556 episodes.

I never noticed that there's no R in there. Well, now I have to change it. Don't we? No, no. Don't do it. What are you talking about? Look at it up there. Looking stupid. Oh, man. 2,556 episodes. How long have you noticed from a long time?

Yeah, for a long time. And I even mentioned it before. No, I don't remember. But I mentioned it maybe about 1,500 episodes ago. Oh, my gosh, you guys. All right, I'll leave it. It's now a thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, it has to stay. It's the morning steam with me and Ryan. You ever change that? I'm done. You're out. That's how you can fire me is change that. And then I'm like, all right, fine, body. Take over.

Yeah. Take over TV's Travis. They'll sit on ice warm to your house to carry your stuff out to your car. Ice roll show up with a cardboard box. Yeah. I don't know what I give them. I give them my... You got a picture of Tina somewhere.

Yeah, exactly. Some kind of fidget spinner. I don't know, whatever you got there. All right. Let's get to the news. We've got to inform as well as entertainment. So let's get to that. Hey, look, we have some news, and it's brought to you by.

brought to you by coverville today back again at noon so noon mountain time 12 for those people who can't translate noon uh 12 p.m mountain time twitch dot tv slash coverville uh look andy partridge turned 70 this week and not only uh does he hate performing on stage and that's why you very rarely see x tc in concert but he found the band and of course that means it's time to do another x tc cover story so of course stuff like the mayor of simpleton uh Ballot of Peter Pumpkinhead, making plans for Nigel, senses working overtime, dear God, every single song that you love from XTC into the space will be played on today's episode of Coverville, covered by other people like, oh, who do we got, Fairport Convention, Paul Melanson, oh, I love his cover. Matthew Sweet and Susanna Hoffs, who else?

Oh, and a cover by Andy Partridge himself. dude does not do a lot of covers so it's a rarity and uh i've got it and i'll be playing it interesting it must be weird being like a successful songwriter musician that doesn't like touring yeah well that yeah that just hates performing live it's like kate bush um uh she got nominated inducted into the rock and the hall of fame but she didn't show up and a lot of people thought well she's just snoddy like just snob total snob but she uh she hates flying she has a fear of flying John Madden that shit That's what happened there

Yeah well you can't I guess you could take a boat A long boat from the UK To Cleveland and accept your own word Yeah it was easier for Madden to drive Because he was just here in the States right Like he just went game to game or whatever He had a bus

Yeah it's easy for him except I don't know what he would have done with all of these Weird European 730 in the morning games That we've been having Yeah that's true Fortunately we don't have to Well not fortunately I mean, sad.

We don't have John Madden to kick around anymore, but... Yeah, that'd be great. You see what you got here with his big markers and shit. I miss that. Exactly. I had myself a fresh brought worse this morning and... And now Michael's like, okay, big guy, you smell bad. It reeks here in the studio.

It's first in one. Did you have some sourcrow on that hot dog John Madden? Because you know those dudes are up there, they're pitting out in the middle of a playoff game. Oh, yeah. A little studio with their crappy little headphones on. They're standing up. There's no way that Madden didn't smell like a big crowd dog.

I've been riding on a bus for six weeks. Get a whiff of me. Oh, my gosh. Can you imagine? And he circles for the first two weeks. We couldn't figure out gray water. He's like, takes a marker, circles his left armpit. Now over here, you can see we've got the stuff.

Wavy lines. You can see these wavy lines coming out of my pit. That's a comic book slang for I stink. These are stink lines. Enjoy these, Al. All right, first and two. Let's see how the packers are... We've done the whole scenario.

We've done the entire play. That's the end of our play. All right, moving on to this story. It's all my sports talk today. I know. I know. We've changed our whole trajectory as a show today. Day laborers say that a dude named Sam Haskell Jr.

paid them $500 to take away bags of body parts. Now, here's the... Those are some beautiful bags of body parts, Mrs. Cleaver. Can I help move him? I guess he's a different Haskell. Yeah, yeah, close, though. What'd they call him? The, not the...

Eddie Haskell? Yeah, but didn't he have a nickname, like, uh... No, I thought the other ones had a nickname. Was, uh... Was there a moose that, uh, that, uh, Wally had a friend. He had a friend who was, like, uh, only went by a nickname. Yeah, that's who I'm thinking of. Wally's friend.

Yeah. Lumpy, lumpy. Lumpy, was it? Yeah, I came up with it before I saw Matuba, by the way, lumpy. I mean, this ancient-ass show predates us by decades, but, I mean, when that came out in the 50s, early 50s? Yeah, yeah, I mean, it was you and me coming home from school, slicing up an apple and then watch them leave it to Beaver and I love Lucy reruns before. And if you're lucky, you got, uh, Andy Griffith. Yeah, Andy Griffith. I always liked Andy Griffith and I always liked, um, uh, the bewitched.

So give me some bewitched. time. So I don't care which, which, uh, which, uh, Darren, I don't care. I'm Darren agnostic. You're, I don't have any skin. I'm more Darren tolerant. Well, you have to be with a second guy. He was a little out there, but.

It was a little out. Yeah. Well, anyway, so this is, this is crazy. Aged some body parts. We really should get back to this horrible story. So the deal was he was, he had paid them to haul trash bags. They didn't know their body parts. And these people didn't.

They're just day laborers, looking for some money, paying their rent and food and and everything else. They go to do it. They realize they're moving body parts. And they tried to notify police. They described the bags as, when we, quote, when we picked out the bags, you could tell they weren't rocks. The men also described the bags as soft and soggy. Once the workers were a block away, they pulled over to look inside the bags.

The worker said, quote, I started seeing body parts. A belly button. I was as astonished. Of course, I felt bad. We had been tricked. We had been tricked. These weren't rocks? that's a belly button

what the he's having his whole bags of belly buttons here's the worst part and the part that makes me mad they went back to alert authorities they added that two law enforcement stations of California Highway Patrol

and LAPD Topaganda station Topaganda Topanga Topaganda Topaganda that's you know that's when they try

and put misinformation out there but it's really good it's top again yeah it's the best not bottom Ganda. Yeah, exactly. Underganda?

Flopaganda. Flopaganda. It's topaganda. Flopaganda is good. They got turned away. They just blew them off. Both police stations went, me, we don't think you're telling us the truth, whatever.

Which sucks. It's like maybe you should have taken the bags there. Instead of taking the bags and returning the money, like, meh, keep the money, take the bags to law enforcement. Yeah, I think that would have been the way. But also, one assumes if these had not been immigrant workers of a different place. Illegally in the country is what you're? Well, maybe, but I just think the cops didn't take them serious because they were brown people. Oh, that's interesting.

Yeah. I mean, I don't want to swap the entire department with a racist move, but I could see if you had like five or six day workers coming in, all dirty and sweaty from the day working, and they walk in there and go in very broken English, we think we found body. I mean, maybe the police were just dicks. I don't know. I don't know what happened. The police must have been dicks. Regardless of any, any racism and prejudice and all that sort of thing, people come in and say they've got bodies. You're like, okay, okay, Dave, whatever.

Go back to the Home Depot and wait for a truck to pull up. Oh, you just, you're, you're fine. Yeah, it does, it does seem like they just assume they were kidding or something or, I don't know. Exactly. But now they're in trouble because they turn it away. Benjamin, they thought they were telling the police about belly buttons, but instead they found dicks. I mean, that's a good way of putting. Not bad.

Not bad. Anyway, not much else is known other than that other dudes now arrested and they're investigating what's going on. It's pretty baldsy, though, to say, yeah. Yeah, I'm going to kill all these people, chop up their bodies, put them in the bags, but I'm going to have somebody else haul them off. Yeah, it is a little, that's pretty ballsy. I'm pretty sure it was his wife, maybe. Oh, really? I don't know the Sam Haskell Jr. story, apparently.

Like, when I saw this up there. Here it is. Haskell's arrest came after a woman's dismembered torso was found outside a dumpster in a parking lot in Encino. Haskell's wife, May, and her parents, Gowshin, Lee, and Jing Jing Wong are still missing, so they think maybe their bodies. Oh, wow. So we've got some kind of psycho.

Son of a Hollywood exec. Oh. Who's the, who's Haskell senior? I want to know. Yeah, I don't know. know. Maybe it's, maybe it is just senior. It just probably is Samuel Haskell, yeah. Let's see, LAPD.

Oh, that's why this guy's a big deal. Yeah, so I guess we're not getting the LAPD. We're not getting the L.A. News here in Denver, because this is a big deal, but we're not hearing about it. Here it is. Son of Hollywood agent. Who's the agent? Let's see. Well, Sam Haskell would be my guess.

Yeah, that's my thinking, but just trying to see if it's someone we should know from something. Oh, sure. Like, he's he represents, who he represents, basically. Oh, here it is. Any winning producer and Hollywood agent, Sam Haskell, who served as an agent for Kathy Lee Gifford, Whoopi Goldberg, Dolly Parton, George Clooney, and others.

Wow, all right. It's not a bad list. No. I don't know why Kathy Lee Gifford. It started off a little rough with Kathy Lee Gifford, but it really, it really picked up by Clooney and Parton. By the time I got to them, it was fine. Let's see.

Investigators also looking for two missing vehicles. a white Volkswagen Tiguan and a 2014 Nissan Pathfinder. All right. Well, good luck. That sucks. That guy's a poo-poo. Yeah. Total poop.

He's a real poo for what he did. What a poop-o had. Let's move on to this story. An airplane crew discovered missing window panes after takeoff and had to turn around. Ooh, I don't like this at all. This is not good. A flight from London to Orlando, Florida, had to turn around after passengers discovered that some cabin windows were missing pains after takeoff. the flight leaving October 4th from London Stanssted Airport

headed to Orlando International was a flight just for more than 30 minutes or in the air for more than 30 minutes or just more than 30 minutes before it safely touched down according to a special bulletin. While the crew did not notice anything wrong with the plane before takeoff, several passengers reported that it was colder and louder than usual when the plane became airborne. Awful windy in here. Why are my papers blowing around like crazy?

Yeah, why is the person I'm flying with sucked to the wall in Canada? move. I assume it all worked like a cartoon for them. Of course, yes. Obviously, those things are double pain, so the outer that's right. The pain this was missing. It says a

let's see, a different level of damage by the same means that, sorry, means might have resulted in more serious consequences. So they're glad they caught it when they did and they went back down. Let's see, the plane belongs to Titan Airways. It's a European charter airline. They did not

respond to comments or to questions yet. I would have freaked me out. Yeah. Oh, for sure, yeah. Titan airways. That sounds like we love to fly and it shows except we forgot to put the window pants back in. Yeah, I wonder if the pressure, once they would have gotten high enough, if the pressure

would have been enough being single-paned windows, it would have been... Like blow one out and then have a real problem. Right, sucking something out, exactly. I mean, 30,000 feet, I assume, at the height, right? Probably. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Otherwise, they probably wouldn't have turned.

Well, maybe you have to turn around. It might have just been a caution thing, but, yeah. Yeah. I would not like it if I were on that plane. Yeah. No, sir, I would not. Agreed. This is like that time I woke up to the smell of burning smoke on my way to Japan.

Burning smoke. Yeah. You know, smoke that's on fire. Smoke that was the worst. That is the worst kind of smoke. Yeah, it turns out it's a little redundant, but no, I woke up at like, I don't know, it was probably, at least on my clock, it was maybe two in the morning or something. And we were in the middle of the Pacific, going that direction, left from L.A. Yeah.

And right in the middle of the thing, I wake up at business class with the dude who I flew with, who owes me $89,000. Anyway, that guy. That guy. He was such a butt. Anyway, we're laying there or sitting there, and I go, you smell that? And he's like, yeah, do smell that. what is that? And it got really strong and it sounded like there was a fire burning

somewhere. Oh my God. It freaked us out pretty bad. And then the lady and there were stewardess ladies or a flight attendants just running back and forth so you could tell they were up to something. And finally they found it. It was one of the vents. So there's fans everywhere to recycle air. And one

of the vent fans for intake, I think, of air pooped out and burned out and just smelled bad. So it was never basically, the fan blew out. but because it was an intake, that burnout smell was just coming into the cab. It came to everybody. Anybody who had those little nozzles on, you were just getting hoaxed.

So it was bad. But we never saw the smoke, so that was good. God. And even so like they decided they'd keep going, right? Like they didn't turn around. Oh, yeah, they kept going. Yeah, that was considered. Yeah.

They was either that. I think their only options were. They could curve back up and go to Alaska. But I think they were far enough that the better thing to do was just keep going and land in Tokyo. Yeah. which means that, by the way, we're not going to have any fresh air coming in on this flight. Everybody close your nozzles. That's right.

Now you're really going to be smelling the farts of the people around you. Yeah, I think what they ended up doing, if I remember right, the lady did talk to us for a minute because Ben asked them some question. And she said something like, it's still there, it's just not running. And there are many others like it. And they're all pulling air, so it should be fine. It might be a little less comfortable up here. It was never really a problem.

But it just freaked us the f out. Because also, we're looking at the little, you know, on your screen in front of you, or maybe it was a bigger screen out here because this was back in the mid-aughts but anyway it shows your plane icon and where it is relation to the rest of the planet dead in the middle of the ocean

like if we're going down we're screwed you have no like you don't have like well we could maybe go to this island or this this uh no yeah you're stuck i'm as likely to see you know the mariner out there doing water world shit it was so far out in the middle of nowhere But anyway, I hated that.

Frink me out. It still does. All right. Here's a cool story for this guy anyway. An Arkansas man, or if you're not familiar with our weird naming conventions here in the States, Arkansas man. Arkansas man. Received the world's first whole eye transplant plus a new face.

And I realize that sounds. Well, that seems like a really poorly worded headline. It seems like they're bearing the headline a little bit, right? Yeah. You got a whole new face. Yeah. Now it looks like Nicholas Cage. It's like saying a guy got a finger transplant, plus a whole body.

It's like... Right, exactly. But anyway, surgeons have performed the world's first eye transplant successfully... Whoops, camera being weird. Of an entire human eye, an extraordinary addition to the face transplant world, which have, you know, we've had a few successful cases of that. Although it's far too soon to know if the man will see through his new left eye. The accident with a high voltage power line had destroyed most of Aaron James's face and one eye.

His right eye still works, but surgeons at NYU Lingen Health Hoped, Health Hoped, replacing the missing one would yield better cosmetic results for his new face, whether it works or not. But it is an actual donated flesh and blood eye. Wow. Just stick it in. And probably a donated face, too. Yeah, somebody else's face, which is, by the way. So much to, it doesn't really work like in face off, such bullshit, right?

right, that movie. Yeah, yeah. Because there's no way that this stuff just adheres to what you had. And now you got the same facial structure and bone structure as the person you donated it. No, you got this thing, this misshapen thing smothered over your face. Right. And you hope it looks okay. That's why Hannibal Lecter didn't look quite right.

That explains everything. That explains it. It's been a burning question for decades. And now we know. Now we know. let's see this happened uh it feels good i still don't have any movement in it yet my eyelid i can't blink it yet but i'm getting a sensation now that's interesting so i start to feel it uh you got to start somewhere there's a there's got to be a first person somewhere at a james he's 46 from hot springs

arkansas maybe you'll learn something from what it from it from it what will help the next person i don't know why i'm giving him that voice i apologize maybe it was the facie guy i don't know Maybe. Maybe it was the face of guy. I was wondering about that. Like, you know, he can get away with a lot. And there's a picture of him, but he's wearing an eye patch and a face mask, like an 995 face mask. So you only really see his eye and his forehead and his ears and his lovely wife next to him. And I imagine if they, you know, if he ever says something like, you know, wish I would have married someone who could cook. And she'd be like, what are you saying? He's like, oh, sorry, that wasn't me. That was my, that was the face. Sorry, that's part of my, part of my new face. I'm sorry, I don't mean it, huh?

Yeah, I didn't have resting bitch face until I got this new one, so sorry. Exactly, yeah, he can basically get, say anything he wants. Sorry, sorry. I hope it works for, like, ultimately I would love it if this dude got his eyesight back. That'd be amazing. Oh, yeah, no kidding, for sure. And also, good on her for sticking with him after this, you know. Not that she wouldn't, but, you know, some people might bail.

Yeah. Too freaked out about that. the what's going on no exactly no stand exactly she's standing literally standing by him in that photo and I'm sure in life standing by him as well LC and I in the chat room says I've considered a false eye like one with a painted pick

maybe a wow icon so that would be cool like the dude in last action hero Charles Dance yeah Charles Dance a little smiley faces he had in there yep exactly or a bull's eye or something and I assume those were big hairy hair contacts back then right like

yeah yeah the thick ones yeah the thick ones that you could only wear for like a minute before they start causing real pain. Yeah, that stuff's all changed now. You can get real thin stuff for acting and stuff. But, yeah, if I was going to get, so people get eye tattoos, right? Mm-hmm. I would, for me to tattoo an eyeball, you would have to really have a good idea for me.

There's no way I'm doing this without the right reason. It just sounds like a nightmare. I can't even imagine what a right reason would be for me to get my eye tattoo. If you look them up, lots of them are just, fill in all the whites with black. Yeah, exactly, right. Which I don't like at all. Can I get a QR code that goes to my website?

Like, oh, hey, what's your email address? Oh, hold on. And you'll cross-eyed and all of a sudden little QR code appears. Just scan this. Yeah. Oh, great. Oh, got it. That I kind of like.

There's something about that that's interesting, but I don't want the permanence of it. And I also don't want somebody with a needle in my F&I. But look at this lady chat room. I just sent Brian to try. How are you going to get a job? Like, there's no. There is no panera on earth that is going to hire someone. Look, I know, so we have, you know, pretty good anti-discrimination laws around hiring,

but it's going to be impossible for some old fart manager behind the desk to put aside what he sees. You know what I'm saying? It's like from a practical standpoint. What should happen, that's different. You and I agree 100%. Hire, she's probably wonderful. Who cares? Exactly, right. She's probably great at her job.

But we live in a world where people see things for, you know, they see things. And then they go, ah, and even if they don't mean to or it's all subconscious, probably not going to give them the job. Exactly. It's like, oh, you know, I'd like to, I'd like to hire you to sell cars for me. But you look like Pizzou from The Exorcist. So I'm sorry we can't hire you. Freaking Pazoozoo.

How are we ever supposed to take that name seriously? Pazuzu. It's Pizzu. It's Pizzuzu, the demon lord. You know, Pizzuzu. Be afraid of Pizzouzoo. You think I'm evil. You should meet my friend, Shlamoopee.

Slamoopee. Oh, hell, Slamoopy. Look at the cool. There's an indent thing or the rivets. Yeah. There's something I think is cool, but man. Put little magnets for whatever horns you want to wear that day. Oh, yeah.

I wonder if they're like that up there. I feel like goat horns. And they just. I'm in the mood for goat horn Click in like Kinex or something But just the idea of And I understand people have done it We probably have some listening

I've done this So maybe write in and tell us But having somebody do that I'm sure you're dead in the eye To make it so you're not moving around a bunch Yeah Something but I can't I can't imagine this No I can just do that

By drinking a whole lot of whiskey the night before And guess what? It'll go away later Yeah smoke weed every day And then I've got a great Exactly That I've got a great excuse Yeah, smoke weed every day.

Your eyes will be all burned out. Smoke weed every day. Do what they tell you. Episode, episode. All right. Oh, time for 10. We better get to, yeah. Yeah, we'll take a break.

No more weird eye stuff. Let's get our body whore out of here and get windy in here. She'll be in here after the break. But before we do a break, we got to play a song. And I'm pretty sure you brought one. I did brung one. And it's probably where this woman got all this. worked on her face, a place called the House of Harm.

No, that's a band from Boston. It's a trio called the House of Harm. These guys, a lot of influence from late 80s, early 90s, alt rock, which is great, you know, kind of right in my jam, The Cure, Grunge, kind of mixing all that stuff. And they're from Boston, so they say, Makek. This is from their brand new LP called Playground. It comes out December 1st. There's the brand new single called Two Kinds.

We can throw the day, I never lost control, but I've had to say it's tomorrow. out the mess you left for me and the last notes was to follow was to follow two lives locked away just to say to the one you know and i lost away times follow So kind is filled with doubts And left for all to see And the last known Fulner's way We're never here at all

Say back tonight I think you need it more You're hoping now that you can be this door I've lost a hope inside and if we closed that door a brain that past just feeds the reps till it tightens more You can wash away every march you left dancing, taking a back to how it still calls you

You can sort it out the dream has left from me and the last note and the last note found its way you were never here at all The way two kinds collide. The way two kinds collide. The way to kinds collide. The way to kind, The way too kind, collide. The way too kind, collide, collide, collide. The way two kinds, collide. The way two kinds, collide. The way two kinds, go lie, collide, collide, collide, collide, collide, collide.

Save facts and I don't think you need it more. You're hoping now that it can be restored. I was hope inside and if he closed that door, the brain the fast just feeds the grips till it signs more. I can't throw the day I never lost control, but I had to say, it's tomorrow. It's tomorrow. billion dollars each year to financial exploitation. Greenlight's new family shield plan empowers you to monitor your accounts for suspicious activity, protect yourself with up to

$1 million identity theft coverage, and reassure loved ones that you're safe with location sharing and place alerts. Get peace of mind today at greenlight.com slash protect. That's greenlight.com slash protect. I'm a very lucky boy. I'm good at a three-roll pop. Michael is a psychotic child. And we've returned. I desire to know the name of that band and song again. I will tell you again because your memory is as bad as mine. That's the House of Harm from their upcoming album playground. That is a new song called Two Kinds.

Nice. Two Kind. I like Two Kinds. Choice is the spice of life. Exactly. Who wants one kind? I don't want. want two kinds. Thank you very much. Right? All right. Here's this. I'll explain the situation to Wendy. Don't worry. Oh, good. My sister Wendy, Wendy Dunford, smart lady, extraordinary, and also a therapist. She helps people all the time with real problems. Also calling you a lady makes you sound really old. And I shouldn't have done that.

Oh, lady. Hello, lady. Do you ever get called, you ever get called ma'am or any of that these days? Oh, yeah. All the friggin' time. Don't call me, ma'am. If I'm in the south, I love it. If I'm not in the south, don't do it. No, in the south. There's such a nice, uh, Um, like, you can be 20 and being called ma'am. It's fine. Yeah, it's weird. It's weird how down there it sounds great and you kind of want it. But then outside of the U.S. South, it's annoying and patronizing. Um, you get people in the lift all the time who call me sir. It's like, oh, thanks for the right, sir. I'm like, sir. I don't like sir either. You really don't know me. No. You don't know me at all. My, my temporary drive person that's driving you somewhere. For a second, I was like, Brian, why are you saying the English, British word for elevator? Do you know, elevators? Do you know, elevators? He meant lift, lift. It's either people don't think that I'm weightlifting or that I'm getting in an elevator. It's a horrible name. It's very funny. Give me a lift.

Because you should be in the lorry providing a lift. Right. I'm in a lorry providing a lift. Yeah, that's right. Well, it's good to have you here, Wendy. I wanted to ask you one other thing. What was it? Oh, tattooing your eyes. Under what circumstances would you ever let them tattoo an eyeball of yours?

Who's them? Let's just say, I don't know, for whatever reason, society's like, you know, we only trust mental health experts with, if they have a little tattoo in their eye. It's a new thing. It's a new thing. We're recommending it from the top down. You come up with some weird hypotheticals. I know. You really have to park your brain at the door for this one.

But let's just say it became a mandatory, but a very much encouraged thing for your career. Would you do it or would you switch gears? What would you do? She doesn't have the context of our previous tattoo. I don't know. Wait, you tattoo like a word, like a symbol or a color? It could be. Well, I think after thinking about it for a while, I'd like to do like a spiral out from my eyes iris so that it looks like I'm mesmero or something like that. That's cool.

That's cool. I just want whatever tattoo happens to make my vision better. Oh, maybe. Now, that's interesting, because then I would see, because I've had somebody cut into my eyes when I had those early onset cataract crap, and it was amazing, changed my life. And for the better, even though it was stuff that only 85-year-olds are supposed to have done. Now, let's be clear, if the world ever comes to that for me to do my profession, I need to have a tattoo in my eye, I don't know if I want to still be around.

Yeah, you're probably something else, right? I'm with you. Actually, if you're doing that in that profession, then imagine what everything, like, the whole world's going to be pretty screwed up. Yeah, it's a lot of problems. Yeah. That's why, you know, the playground ton, sticking needle in my eye was considered a negative because you don't want. Because you don't want to do. Oh, that was a pejorative back?

I didn't understand. It was like, oh, you thought it was like a fashion prediction for the 20, the mid-2020s. Shows what I know. All right. Well, anyway, let's get to this. We got a email this week that Wendy got and then send it here. and then now we're going to read it. By the way, I checked on mom.

She's sleeping on a couch. She sits up straight, sleeping all night. Did you know this? We talked to her? Yes. What? Because of her ribs. She can't lay down.

Oh, gotcha. And they are healing. She's sleeping propped up. My grandmother did that for a long time, slept propped up in a chair. She's doing it just because of this rib thing, but I assume that it will, it is feeling better, she said, but I assume when it feels much better, she'll be able to go lay in a normal way, but. Yeah, that sucks.

Yeah. just sitting there watching our programs you know letting the world go by whatever you're 85 you do what you want. Watching your programs. Okay. Anyway, let's get to this email. Is there anything you want to say about it before I read it or just go? No, I got lots of thoughts. All right. Here we go. This is from somebody who said we can use his name. So we'll say this is from Mike. He says our 25 year old daughter. This is like in my age range, I guess, because I have a 25 year old daughter. Our 25 year old daughter has come to her mother and me to say that we are emotionally abused or that we emotionally abused her as a child and we are the reason why she has anxiety and isn't able to

figure out how to be an adult. We've talked about it and we can't think of anything we did that fills out of the ordinary other than, sorry, ordinary than other parents. I think is what he meant. Well, ordinary than any other parent. Oh, then any other parent. Why did I need an Scott? I don't know. I don't know why. An example she gave is that we forced her to try out for sports when she wasn't particularly great at them. That made her feel very self-conscious with her peers. That's why we wanted her. See, that's why we wanted her to do sports in the first place to help her overcome those fears. Shouldn't a parent help try or try to help their kid do things that they don't want to do? Question mark. My dad didn't want me to quit basketball or baseball rather. I don't know why. I put another sport in. there when I wanted to. And even though I didn't play past high school, it really helped me learn things like teamwork and working hard. How did we go wrong? And what can we do to repair our relationship with her from Mike? Yeah. So this is, this is, I don't say it's every parent's nightmare, but there is a fear when you're raising your kids. Like, okay, we're doing, we think we're doing

good. We got this going. And even if you did all your best things, that they will somehow hit a weird thing in their life and go, I hate working. Therefore, it's something my parents did and then they're going to blame you for it or something like that. I felt those kinds of fears before. Turns out they were unfounded because my kids are fine. But that was, that was a thing. So I feel bad for them because that's kind of one of my worst nightmares. You never want your child to come to you and say, you guys traumatized me. Yeah, it sounds so awful. As a kid with such and such, it's like, oh my God, we were just trying to be helpful or we obviously wasn't our intent. Yeah, obviously, if they really did do something to harm you or, you know, cause physical or mental harm or whatever, then that's one thing.

But if it's just, I don't know, you were kind of lame or you weren't cool like somebody else's parent, whatever the reasons may be. And it just sounds awful to have this be told to you. So anyway, what do you want to do, Wendy, where do you want to go? Okay. So it's evident you two are not, well, okay, let's back up. I need like a thousand more points of information to do this email correctly. But I'm not going to, we're not going to get that. We almost want, you almost want this parallel email from the daughter.

Oh, that would be great. I'm guessing she doesn't listen to the show. You guys traumatize me by making it right to your podcast friends. You're always making me doing things. Right. Okay. Well, okay, so I'm going to extrapolate quite a bit. And so I'm taking a lot of liberties with this one based on.

Take these liberties. I'm going to take these liberties because I just had a call this morning with the client who's like a very extreme version of this. And so I'm probably going to side with the kid more than Mike. And that's going to maybe throw this person off. So everyone just grain of salt. I don't have enough information. And first of all, we can do this, though. we can empathize like you guys just did with the parents' position of I did my best. I did not

mean to harm you. And also, you're complaining that I made you play sports. Like, I really, that cannot be really what you would consider emotional abuse. Like, you can imagine all the things Mike is thinking and his wife is thinking, like, what? How is this happening? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So let's stay with that position for a moment. And then we're going to switchy-roo and then imagine the daughter's email. That's good. But let's just, yeah. So we'll start with this, though.

You know, what that's like. So there's a couple components I'm imagining are at play here. And some might be culturally contextual, right? So, for example, these are Gen X or Boomer. We'll say Boomer just to be rude to boomers. Okay, but older parents who did not. probably talk a lot about their feelings, okay? And so what we have is a bit of a generation divide of like this kid's coming and using

therapy words at me and maybe they don't have any experience themselves with therapy words or that you could just talk about those things. And I could guarantee Mike's father and the whole baseball thing was maybe a one conversation. No, you're playing. Okay. And that's, you know, the extent of the right. and privileges of kids to express their feelings and then have that affect parents.

It's just less. It just was. That is a different time. So we can have lots of compassion for that. That is the frame of reference someone is coming from in parenting. And then you would be pretty annoyed at all the therapy speak. Like, this is my world and I find it annoying sometimes. Like, okay.

You're not being gaslit. That's not what this is. Like, because it is so sort of TikTok ubiquity, it's just around, everyone's hearing it. And here's my overarching theory about that is if you've taken an abnormal site class, pre-internet, and you'll know what I'm talking about. In an abnormal site class, you read things you've never known existed, and you're like, whoa, and then you diagnose everyone in your life, including yourself. I think I have that.

Oh, okay, that makes sense. It's kind of like the WebMD searching when you have a headache, and you see the whole list of what it could be, and then all of a sudden you start assuming it's all these other things. Yes, 100%. And then it is just algorithmically, you know, that we're shoved into your face over and over and over again if you even watch one video. So now you are being told in a relentless tone that you are ADHD or you have autism or, you know, these other things in the sense that it's like a horoscope. You kind of relate to bits of things, right? But then if you really got tested, you're going to find, oh, no, I don't have some of these things,

but you're going to feel like you do, okay? So I have no idea if that's where the daughter is coming from. I just would assume she has more access to sort of mental health online version than her parents did and has maybe struggling with some stuff in her life and is trying to find the source for some of it, which living an adult life is difficult and especially maybe 25 is a nice round age for a little quarter life crisis where you're like oh life is hard and I got to do my dishes every day you know like some of that stuff just kind of can land on you you're finished with college maybe you get your first job maybe you're you know whatever you're doing maybe it's hitting home and so you're starting to have some feelings et cetera and you're trying to find sources

and then the internet will tell you if you're around any other young person because the algorithms get shared that you are this is going on for you right and your boomer parents don't understand you and they probably did something wrong okay i'm not saying that's all mental health on social media but it definitely can be sure right and so mike might be realizing oh this kid thinks we emotionally abused her because we did some maybe normal parenting things oh what you know what do we do there so let's just start with it's possible you were not emotionally abusive and we're misusing words, and we're thinking things, we're all in an abnormal sight class, okay? What to do then?

And then I'm going to flip it and talk from her perspective and then say what she might need her parents to actually do. Okay. So I want to put you two in this position really quick. You're the parent. This is what your kid is saying to you. Tell me your first gut, knee jerk, don't try to sound good reaction. Go. Don't try to sound like, like, you know, yeah.

I'd be stunned. I'd be, like, yeah, oh, for sure. I wouldn't know what to say. I would probably be quiet for a while, you know. I would, my initial thing would probably to be defensive, like, oh, my God, no, we were just trying to do the best for you. I'm sorry that, you know, I'm sorry that it didn't work or it didn't turn out like we plan. But, man, I'd need to know more about.

the figure out how to not or you know not being able to figure out how to be an adult like what aspect is there of that and how is there more that she's not saying that is giving her anxiety than just the sports thing every every parent makes their kids do soccer or makes their kids something yeah something exactly there becomes a time where you have to i totally agree with brian it comes It comes a time where you have to, I don't know how to explain this. Like, I'll give you a quick example. Phoebe's been sick this week and Taylor got really worried about what it was because her poop was gray and that's a bad sign.

I mean, something's up with the liver, but if she's not jaundice, it means it may not be anything serious. And then she had this horrible chest thing and it just seemed like a lot of problems all at once. And yesterday she was really lethargic and kind of wouldn't move. And she is a very active kid. So she was just sort of laying there And it freaked her out She called us

And Kim's advice was We'll take her to an Instacare Because they're good at this If it's RSV or something That they're fully equipped to handle this And You know, this is the kind of thing You would go there for it

If it escalates or needs something more Then they'll tell you that And then you'll go do it But Taylor was like really freaked out And it was like Well I'm going to the ER I just want to be sure And so she did

And it turns out We were 100% right It was just it's viral it just has to go through her system and is taking a day or two longer than usual but it's just a nasty little virus van has it too and he has a fever so does she and the doctor's like

she'll be fine lots of fluids that sort of stuff get her to drink water and then Taylor was like well crap it wasn't nearly what I thought I'm going to spend 1500 bucks for an ER visit versus 50 for the you know where I was if I'd have gone to the Instacare blah blah blah blah blah

and it just reminded me that that would have been an opportunity for me to go you so or we know some things parents aren't stupid you know we our advice is based on experience you know we could have done all that but we can't do that anymore and here's a better example taylor once sat me down it was weird because i this never happened she pulls me aside he goes dad need to talk to you i'm like okay what's up she goes a lot of times i'll share like really fun pictures of the kids like here they are at the house playing or here's her first laugh or Here's her trying to learn the word, you know, cracker or whatever.

And I'll see those. And my immediate instinct is to go, oh, my gosh, I have to share this. This is so great. And so I'll put it up on social media of various kinds. And she says, I need you to just ask me before you do that. And I went, and so here's the part that this reminds me of. My gut went, I want to be defensive and say, well, it's fine. I do it because I'm proud of you.

I'm proud of you. I love the kid. I want to share it with my friends. You know, I could have said all that. And I had to, this was the first time I really had to face this. I went, crap, this is no longer my prerogative. This is no longer my imperative. It's hers.

And hers and Dillans. And if they feel this way, the only way for this to be dealt with, there's no other way to do this. And for me to go, oh, crap, I'm so sorry I didn't know. And I will make sure to do that from now on and then really make an effort to do that. and it took all I had because I was feeling very defensive. I was like, well, wait a minute. I'm not, you're acting like I'm some kind of, you know, posting weird pictures of kids. It makes me weird or, you know, something like that.

Like, what's, you know, I got really, those feelings were back there. But I had to stop and go, well, wait a minute. Even if she's wrong, it doesn't matter. Right. Yeah, exactly. At this stage, those days are gone. When she's 10 and I say, don't touch that, it's too hot. That was my job.

it's not my job anymore right and a feeling and a reaction a feeling is never wrong the the cause of it might be something deeper or something different than what they're telling you they may not even know what the real cause is for their their frustration with that or their upsetness about that or that sort of thing so the feeling is never wrong it's the you know um they may not know what the real cause of it is in this case like you may not know they she may feel traumatized by the being forced to play sports, but there might be some other things that are causing the anxiety that the parents did that maybe she hasn't even realized yet or maybe doesn't feel like she can talk to them about yet.

Yeah, and I would, I have to admit, if our parents, Wendy, had forced me to do sports because I hated sports when I was younger, but I was tall and probably should have played something. And I actually agree with some of these ideas that sometimes team sports is good for you and, you know, you can learn leadership skills and coordination skills, all that stuff.

That's all true. But if they'd have made a major, me do it, I would have resented it. I would have been mad. Right. So anyway, I mean, I was made to play soccer and it just made me realize I don't like soccer, playing soccer. It just deepened your distaste. Yeah. That's right. Exactly. I know. And Scott, my work here is done. You guys, I got it. So was that what you're supposed to do? Because I still, to this moment. You've trained this well, Wendy. Yes, I know. As I still at this moment had this, I was, I had some unsureity about it because I just didn't want to I don't what was most important to me was my relationship with her and her kids and whatever it meant yeah to to keep that hole was enough for me to park whatever my ego wanted me to say and even then it wouldn't have been that you know I would have probably just said oh well I'm not trying to I'm just you know sharing but better but instead it was just like no you know what just be okay with it be okay with that be okay with her saying the ER is the only way I want to do this yesterday it's okay

And it's a big jump from having a lot of influence to having feeling like you have to walk on eggshell. You have to just catch yourself. Yeah, you have to. And Misha said this once. She hangs out with all these running ladies and they run all the time. And they're all, what, 10 years older than her or something. And so they'd all had kids get married before Misha's kids got married. And she said the advice they just repeated relentlessly when my kids started getting married was it's just time for you to

shut up. That's your whole job now is to like just stop talking. Kind of like your influence really shifts suddenly and it is meant to. It is meant to. It's just can become real at like an alarming pace, right? And so so suddenly like you don't get to decide what they're doing because they are adults and at the same time they have to figure out adulting. So Scott, if honestly, can we all just take a moment of silence for a $1,500 ER visit? I know. Right. What country do we live in? I know it sucks. It's the worst. But that is a $1,500 lesson.

She would not have learned any other way. You learned probably back in the day, a $150 lesson for the same thing. Well, it wasn't the 40s. I mean, it was still pretty. I was 1921. The one time we took Nick to the ER. We did trade a donkey for medical advice. It was like a thousand or something when we took Nick.

It was still pretty high. But the idea. I mean, Nick is your third kid. And you, he was. You know what I'm saying? Like you figure it out as you go and everyone has an ER. This is why we don't go. This is why everyone, my kids have like crooked lips because they slit their lip and

like, you're fine. You just can't. It's hard, right? Okay, but that idea of like, all right, so there is something going on here. And Brian is, you're exactly right. We don't actually know what it really is. If at 25, you haven't been made to play sports since seventh or eighth grade, And that's what you tell your parents.

What you are really telling them is something very different. You just only know how to say those words. So it's kind of like art. Art doesn't exist unless you can see the negative space, right? The negative space is the thing this person is saying without saying those words. And that's tricky. So you're both still called on to be parent and be wise and try to navigate this. And at the same time, lose a bunch of your influence.

And I'm going to, I haven't thought. this through so just you know grain of salt again lots of salt today sure um a whole shakerful is kids do not rebel the way they used to there is a lot less teenage um doing it my way and you know sort of angst a lot more kids are just hanging out with her parents and having a good time that their actual rebellion which is a necessity it's not rebellion doesn't have to be the thing but it's individuating like you have to be a separate person from your parents how do you do that And teenage earlier stuff, it's a little more violent version of that, right? But there is a 20-something version of this that continues to happen.

So here's a great example. Abe said to me the other day, we're going to do a whole episode on Abe's roommate, you guys. Sweet. Wow. I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, that's great. Wow. Do we need to dedicate, how long do we need to dedicate?

It's going to be weeks. It's super rough. It's going to be another multi-part. I love it. It's so bad. Anyway, don't room with a stranger. Let's just say that. Okay, anyway, but I was talking me the other day and he said, hey, if you happen to look at my account and there's $75 from Texas, because my buddy's girlfriend sent me money so I could put together a package for him for his birthday. And I was like, Abe, do you think I look at your bank account? He's like, he goes, well,

I assume every parents, all parents do that. And I said, no, parents that don't trust. their kids might. He's like, you don't? And I'm like, no. And I'm like, now, go buy drugs. Whatever you want to do. You have the freedom. No, just kidding. But just that idea of like, he is surrounded by 18 year olds. And I get it. They're dumb and they're going to make mistakes. But this is his own money, people. This isn't money I give him. This is his own money. So it's none of my business. He's an adult now. It's hard to say that sometimes. But he is a loan. He is alone. And that is hard for him sometimes. Like, why don't, does it mean you care. I'm like, oh, it means I care deeply. But you also showed us you, we could trust you

from 16 on with your own money. He's like, oh, okay. Now, it sounds like I'm bragging and I am because I'm really proud of this. Like, I'm really proud of this because, and this is what makes me sad, actually, is that there's probably other kids in the same boat where they manage their own finances and they, you know, maybe have good heads on their shoulders or whatever. Now, I'm, I'm never letting Pete manage his own money people. So it's not like all my kids have got it. It's not just a parenting thing. It's a person thing, right? And so, but the reality is he is surrounded by kids who don't have a lot of adult things. And when I tell you about his roommate, you'll die. But a lot of adult skills and they are, you know, being launched out in the world. And as they're

doing that and scrapping with, I'm trying to navigate college or my first job or living on my own or paying rent. And I also have to do all this laundry. And when do I change my bed sheets? you know like things they just have to learn so much of it is happening later because parents have been so um let's say careful with their kids right do they get amplified too by the pandemic and some kids moving back in all sorts of all sorts of grace for this people I this is not a clear like I'm judging all the parents who just didn't because you're worried about your kid they're living through a pandemic you're like you know what I need to do make you scrub toilets like you maybe never thought that.

However, never having them scrub a toilet means they don't know how to scrub a toilet. So you do have this sort of, this is normal. And adults have to learn to how to adult. And then suddenly they're 25 and they're really struggling. And who do they blame? Well, they blame the handler. Like, who handled all this for me, right? Yeah.

Who made, right? And so a parent's hearing, hey, you made me play basketball or something. soccer or tennis and I hated it and it's your fault I feel these ways so it's the things they're not actually saying like Brian said they can't maybe even access what it really is so this is very tricky so my advice to Mike and his wife are to do what Scott did actually which is to feel whatever that reaction is of just like you whippersnapper whatever you want to feel and kids these days and get it all out of your system somewhere else and then but not at her yes not at her and not at her and do the thing of, I really, like, really want to understand this.

So one of the things, Brian, you did, and this is why it's probably not going to happen to you because you were immediately curious, like, what is really happening? And so if you can imagine coming at that conversation with curiosity, with openness, with apologies, with, I, you know, I am so sorry. Not, I didn't mean to do that and you know it. You know, you can't still parent the old parenting style and get a different, return, right? So this kid is coming at you without a full developed way of talking to you because maybe they don't know how that hasn't been practiced. You don't know how to do that

together. Well, there's only one desired return. Right. And there's only one return you want. The one return you want is your relationship to be not only intact, but a thriving one. So if you want that, you really desire that, the last thing you want to do is get accusatory and back into a corner because that is earning you none of the things I just said. If you, want the stuff I said, in the position you're in now, they're not five anymore. Back then, you could say, no, you can't go there. Grab your stuff and let's go, because that's what the, that's the deal then. That's the deal. But that's not the deal now, right? But if you, like many of Abe's 18-year-old college freshman friends, like parents are still doing that, right? There are still,

where are you? I'm tracing every step. And technology has made this so much easier. Right? So then the actual, and here's where I'm going to jump up to the 25-year-old side. Here is where they didn't choose any of that. They didn't ask for you to parent the way you parent. They are just a product of one fun night. And here we are. And there is a lot of pressure from parents on kids, and we've talked about this in various forms before, for the parent to live through their experience.

And half the time, it's not even just like a fun version of that. It's a don't die. Like you're such a close extension of me. Do not make my life harder or worse. I care about you so much. I'm terrified. And fear as a parenting strategy will lead you to a lot of inability to sort of let a kid stumble or figure things out themselves or some of those just so natural things that need to occur. So then we have these sort of moments of reckoning.

And so this kid didn't choose any of this. It's just what, you know, she got. And there's no way that this conversation is all about like, hey, guys, just apologize for making me play sports, right? Right. Yeah. It also might be. Yeah.

Yeah. It's never that. But it also might just be like, hey, this is a great sign that she's even coming to you to say any of this, right? Yeah, that's true. And so see it as a branch. She's reaching out to build real connection. And this is where

sometimes older folks haven't done any of their own work on their own stuff. And so when a kid comes at them with any kind of feedback, they're just not ready. And they react pretty immature. So I'm going to steal a line he had

here, which was my dad didn't let me quit baseball when I wanted to. Right? That feeling is legit and real, which is like I didn't have a chance to have all this emotional space. Yeah. And so when a kid comes up with you asking for emotional space that you've never been allowed, never given yourself, never figured out how to grieve or mourn or heal, it's going to be way triggering to the kid and you that never got any of this crap.

And so you're like, how do I actually meet my kid who's having an emotional need when I don't think I ever got my emotional needs? I didn't get that when I was a kid myself. Yeah. And it isn't petty. It's not like a keeping score. It's a capacity, right? I don't know even know how to do that Because I've never been able to

Basically, parenting is just Giving your kids The Well, partially of course Giving your kids the experience Of things to do and things not to do For when they become parents That's all

That's really basically all we do As parents is Here's all the things that We're done to us As kids Some of the things we learn not to do From our parents Some of the things we learn to do

because our parents did the opposite, et cetera, use this to become parents yourselves and you know, to take, either learn from what we did wrong or learn from what we did right. Yeah.

And that right there is... If they choose to become parents, obviously. Yeah, always a choice. But here's the thing. That, for generations, that's not a choice. It's just now a choice. And that is, that's wild to think about, is that there is enough shift

in the zeitgeist that people have pursued other options instead of just felt guilty constantly. Like, it's pretty, like, and what it is, and Brian, you're describing it really well, is every generation gets a little better with this stuff. Yeah. And with each generation. And this is very American-centric as we're talking, right? Like, I'm very aware of that.

There are other cultures that this is going to be really different. Sure. How this works. And so, like, okay, so you take kids who have more, access to the words, maybe to therapy, maybe to like, I'm going to think about things slightly differently or trying to understand why they feel like crap about certain stuff. And, you know, if there's one thing that's true in all therapy, somehow it boils back to your mother and your father. And it's not because they've done it all wrong or they're terrible people, but they are

a piece of the puzzle. And this is where those generational things kind of show up, right? So just the other day I was talking to a client who we could trace the angry men in his family because we were talking about oh angry dad angry grandpa angry we kept going back until you know he knew enough about his like family history he had um his great great grandfather or whatever fought in the civil war and they have some letters that I mean the trauma of that dude's experience and then coming home and parenting right and so we have a we We don't know. Maybe his father was angry too. We don't know, but we do know we can trace back some behaviors, some tendencies, some history to trauma that existed a long time ago.

And then just skill set. So I like to think of trauma as disrupting skill set growth and development. And so you may have parents, and this is where if the 25-year-old was writing this email and giving us very different details, it may be something like this where the parents or actually have fairly immature responses. So the guy wrote it to make him look good. So this is where I don't know. I'm making this up. So sorry, Mike.

But he wrote it to make themselves seem a little bit like the victims and kind of like open to what do we do? And that's great. I hope that's all authentic, right? But it also might be, because we all do that, we all write ourselves in the, I don't know, understand why they be madame. Port of the story.

And it may just be that their development meant in their own history and their own unresolved stuff means that they are somewhat immature as a parent. And so when that young person running into an older person who cannot abide a conversation, cannot get curious and is defensive and blames back, it's usually because it's hitting some underdeveloped part of them. And so, I mean, sorry to repeat myself forever,

but everyone take out your own garbage. And that is the answer. So Mike, the answer for Mike is for he and his wife to dig deep and really figure out what they can take responsibility for and then what they really want. And do they want this connection and what, you know, and then be humble as hell. Because the other person in this equation is still the child, even though they're an adult, they are the child, which means they still need you to act like grownups. And I mean, I will meet people in their 50s who need their 75-year-old mother to just be grown up for once, right? And that's because, and when we get real curious about mom and dad's history, or we get really curious about, like, okay, what is this dynamic? There's a lot of healing that can take place and a lot of softening that can take place and a lot of relationships that can be saved.

There is a bit of a, I didn't look at the numbers, I forgot to do this, but a bit of a increase. in just like people cutting people out of their lives. Like I don't talk to my family or my parents anymore. Just sort of this. And a lot of it is what we're talking about right now is that inability to then bridge the gap and work it through. Yeah. Sometimes it feels like it's a lot easier to say, I don't want to reach across with an olive

branch. It's way easier for me just to live my life and not. We have some people in my family on my dad's side that aren't speaking and haven't spoken a mother and a daughter, or parents and a daughter, and they've even got a new grandchild that they haven't even seen yet, because neither one of them wants to, or can, feels like they can make the effort to reach across and say, you know, and maya culpa. Yeah. And it's heartbreaking. It is. heartbreaking. And it's, what's frustrating from my perspective is I think therapists will often, you know, be supportive in any of those decisions, as you should be,

right without maybe um applying some of the harder skills and work for that for that person now do not get me wrong there is abuse and then there is family you know we argue over politics or we don't get along this way or someone offended me here or there right there's there's that form of immaturity right but then there is obviously very difficult thing so i am not referring to that stuff. But more of the, we're all in psych class now and I have this thing and you never got me help and, you know, sort of instead of, hey guys, let's work through this together. Because I'm telling you, the hardest work to do is to get a family on speaking terms. Like, it's a thousand times more work than it is for me to sit with one person and be like, yeah, your parents suck.

Yeah, I hear you. Right. And so you get it. I get it. I do. It's not like an overall criticism. I just think it's becoming more common because it is difficult. There's more things we find ourselves divided on and then the maturity feels like it's just kind of clearly drops. So what I'm excited for, here's what I'm excited for, is when Gen Z are parents. I know we all think the world's end, it's going to be over by that, but I think like some emotional intelligence that in theory they have, now they're going to have their own version of problems with this, right?

Every generation does. but there's always a kind of an improvement and so we'll see what happens to these kids who had their emotions validated or to the parents who did the therapy and healed from their childhood trauma like I mean I keep I think about it all the time is anyone a billionaire that listens that'd be really great no can I have I wish we got a patreon level for you yeah I have a half a billion dollar idea um I think I've mentioned on this show before but I would really really love to just have a town that got every single person in the town had free therapy. Just see what happened.

They do this with other stuff sometimes. It's like what I read about recently. Just follow it for a couple generations. Yeah, yeah. Just as like a social test, but why not? It's got to be one of those like manufactured little towns like in Florida. There's those ones in Florida that are like with silly names like Discovery, Florida or something like that where you can kind of close them off, give them all. therapy, see how they do, and then just, and then just, uh, let them just have a lot of

grandparents, uh, realizing that their grandchildren are not just props, but they are actual people they should get to know. Yeah, I would love that. So any billionaires out there, I'd love to start this. Uh, any cities, want to raise your hand, I'd be happy to organize this. I just think it'd be fascinating. Are you volunteering to be the, the therapist? Now, would you have to cut yourself off from the outside world as well? No, no, no. I would be the chief, uh, uh, uh, I would coordinate the therapist. You get to step in and outside of the dome, but they don't. No, therapists aren't in the dome either.

They couldn't be, right? You'd be the benevolent cult leader. It's all telehealth, right? Because that that makes it possible that you are not interfering and you're not, you know. But you are. And they're all trained in like the same model. I would be so fun. Yeah, I have some recommendations for some towns that really could use that.

Yeah, do you have some towns that could use that? I'll send you a list. It would be wild. And I can imagine that the cost, that that would cost versus like maybe some other ways we have to spend money to try to help towns. It would be really interesting. They'd be like, whoa, we're doing this. This saves a lot of money. Also, consent.

Like, so many people would be like, no, go away. But it would be really fun. Yeah. There was, oh, my God, I'm trying to find the statistic. But a recent statistic for people in the dating world say they would much rather. date someone who's had therapy than like there was some other let's see here

you gotta find the and where's I could see this has an animal I can see let's see there's trying to find because it was just

just came out and so I'm looking like in the news to see where the oh right I saw that too this is difference with Brian Brian looks it up me I'm like I don't know if this is real

but I'm going to say it Just going to let it rip Wendy It's 50-50 for me But 50% of it is You know what I think this is right I'm just going to say it

And then we get an email Really actually Brain is wrong about you Yeah We get lots of those Sometimes that comes from Scott Hey Brain actually I just Googled it

And Well you know We strive for accuracy here That's all We try Exactly Yeah I can't find the I know there was a statistic reason

I can't even remember where I read it, but it was like, you know, 30 years ago, if you find out your first date has been to therapy, you're like, ooh, something wrong with them, there will not be a second date. But now I'd be more into it, too, like, yeah, you've been in therapy, great. You're a centered person. Yeah. Right. And also then also tell me why you went.

I would also be curious about that, but I'm also genic. Yeah, I have a destructive fire tendencies. I'm going to therapy for that. I like to burn government installations and stock high-profile celebrities. Is that weird? That's right. I'm really hoping to incite another January 6th. I'm going to therapy for that. That'd be great.

Oh, you guys, I went to a 90s party. It was so fun. But also, they were like young in the 90s. And I was like a teenager in the 90s. So it was funny or different, like, whatever, it was a big group. So we all were talking about different. I'm telling you, I haven't had this happen in real life. have you guys? Anyway, I

were all talking about like concert we've been to. It's just like really fun and everyone dressed the 90s and it was very funny and so it was great and then we all talked about events that we remember so what did they remember about 9-11? Adam and I were obviously adults these guys were like in middle school or something

and then I was like the Challenger explosion they were like yeah we were four years old. I'm like okay you know just like what do you remember blah blah blah and then this dude goes he goes what part what historical events do you wish you'd been there for? And everyone's like, none of them.

None of these. Yeah. What do you mean? He's like, no, like physically there. And I was like, okay, Berlin Wall coming down, that would have been awesome. Yeah, that would have been cool. I get that. And then he goes, he goes, January 6th.

And I was like, what? Why? And he goes, I don't know. And everyone just froze. And I'm in Minnesota. So no one can confront anyone, right? So it's just everyone froze. And he goes, yeah, I mean, an insurrection.

happened in our lifetime. And the whole time, I'm like, I don't know if you want to be in the building going after people. What do you mean? Yeah, that's a weird one. It was wild. And it was the magical, like, you could see everyone's family training kick in to change subjects, to change rooms.

Oh, yeah. It was awesome. And I just stared at him like, I don't know if I want to know. You want, no, you kind of do. You want to know, like, to stop things before they got out of hand? Did you think you could catch Mike Pence? Like, what were you planning? Because you wanted a podium for yourself?

Yeah, I don't know what. That's a weird one. I know. And I still haven't gone further because I was like, well, change the subject. Anyway, do you guys remember when R.E.M.? Yeah, whatever. It was a good time. I highly recommended 90s party to make you feel real old and also real young at the same time.

It's a good one. Nobody wants to do 80s parties. Are we all too cranky now for that? I don't know. But you should definitely do this. bring a picture of yourself during that era and share it. That's fun. I was so skinny. Oh, here we go.

We found it. A big thanks to Military Me 12. 92% of people pulled 992% said they prefer to date people who've been to therapy. Whoa, Wendy, your whole industry is just taking a turn for a whole generation. You actually need to promote

yourself as a way to get better dates. You know what? I have I have secrets about how we should do a session on this or a session, whatever we call this show. Have someone email about this. This would be great. An online dating question or a problem they have because I have an entire formula that will

change your life. Because my practice, of course, was started before anyone online dated. And the first couple people, I was like, are you crazy? Like, don't do it. And then realize, oh, this is just how it works, you know? So I've watched from the beginning and those products will literally harm. you if you don't use them right. And so I have some really good ideas.

So if anyone has an online dating question. You mean like Tinder and that kind of crap? Yeah, I was going to say, can you help me with the photo I use for my Tinder profile? Because I think shirtless with a baby tiger is the way I want to go. Yeah. That's exactly how you want to go. Also, if anyone follows up, I'd love the 25 year old. I doubt she's listening.

But some version, if you're the 25 year old in this math problem with your parents not being able to hear your feedback or whatever, we'd love to hear your side too. I definitely default towards the younger person every time. And so I tend to be a little more biased towards the, like, it's not our fault. That thing is really hard for me because it, you know, it just means you're not maybe willing to work, which I think a lot of people run into when they talk to their parents about their issues. So I'd love to have someone do it from that end, and so we could talk about how to navigate your parents' response because, you know, can go a long way. So those two things.

I have two requests. My birthday's coming up. Before my birthday, I want an email. I want to hear from the 25-year-old. I want to hear from a 24-year-old, and I want to hear from some online dating story so I can share some. I'm so glad we have context about all that because it sounds like a weird request for your birthday. It does, yes, exactly. But we know, because we've been talking about it.

But no, very Howard Hughes sounding requests if you haven't had a last 20 minutes. So my birthday is, you know, I'm at a stage where do not buy me a thing. I don't want a thing. Yeah, that's where I'm not. plan a thing for me and like feed me. The best birthday present you can do for me right now or Christmas present is to take away some of my existing things. Yeah, remove them.

Rebagged them up and give them to a worthy cause. That's an idea right. That's right. I love that. All right. Well, this is good stuff. I hope to hear back from everybody involved, especially if we hear from somebody in their 20s who may be going through this.

What's your perspective? I already noticed a certain 26-year-old Irish girl with lots of ideas in the chat. so maybe we'll hear from her. I don't know, but I don't think I want to know what her dating profile looks like. Yeah, I'm not sure I do either. Maybe that's a combo email with a dating profile and maybe Sharon are the worst. Nailed it. All right, well, Wendy, this is great.

We'll do that. Also, I know Real Steps is going on right now. There's no new sign-ups, but are things going well? Has anybody jumped out to be a weirdo yet or anything? No, everyone's awesome. It's been really great. And this is a hard week. This is a, you know, cleanse your palate before you gather with your family next week.

so people are diving in and it's tough stuff, but it's very fun. I keep forgetting Thanksgiving's literally next week. Literally next Thursday. So we won't be talking. Bye. That really Fs me up. That's true. You're not going to be here.

That's what I'm doing for Thanksgiving. Are you ready for this? Yeah, go. My kids think this is so funny. All right. So our friends that we always do Thanksgiving with are heading out of town. And so we're like, hmm, what should we do? Should we invite a bunch of Randalls over and make our own dinner?

Or we're like, what if we, and then we Google all of the restaurants that do a Thanksgiving buffet or just a plated dinner. Oh, my word, there's one million of them. Sounds great. And then takeout, like the takeout options are crazy. Like, one gives you all the fixings and a bag of leftovers already. So it's already, you can already start doling out the leftovers like pre meal. Is that crazy?

I love it so much. Anyway, but we decided we're going to do a buffet and I need one that's reasonably priced and has, you know, lots of food. And so we found it's at a distillery. So my kids think it's so funny. We're going to a distillery for Thanksgiving dinner, but it's this brand new distillery in this tiny kind of town in Wisconsin, and it is like looks so magical. It's a pretty new place, so I don't know if they've done Thanksgiving before, but anyway, so that'll be fun.

And then afterwards there's a theater in this tiny town. It is $5 for new release movies, five bucks. Wow. You can get popcorn, a drink, think a massage, and the movie for under $20. What? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, a massage. Yeah, what? You went right past that.

Well, you have been great. That's not true. I just want one. Oh, don't you. I think that'd be great. But can you imagine you guys, five dollars? Anyway, and I read the first review on this little theater, and it's like, I drive an hour and a half to go to this theater whenever I go to movies.

I'm like, what is this place? So it turns out it's like very cute and quaint and funny. And the local, the guy who owns it is just like a regular dude who will you get to know. And anyway, so that is our, it's not like just a, it's not a flat screen in his basement or something weird like that. No, wouldn't that be weird? And it might be. If it is, I'll take some video.

Please do, yes. Yeah, we'd love to see it. $5. Here you go. That's fantastic. What are you going to see? You see the new Paul Giamati thing? I don't know.

What are you in for? Hunger Games prequel or... I don't know. We'll have to see what is actually playing at this tiny... Yeah. You say, you say... Taylor Swift Era's tour. Sure.

Yeah. Why not? Get in there. Get some of that while you can get it. Well, good luck. It sounds like fun. I'll hold the wishbone for you this year. Yeah, hold the wishbone.

Have fun at Misha's. You guys are going to be an old-fashioned turkey dinner. Like, you haven't done in years. Her new palatial freaking 10-acre place she lives on now. She's got some big new place. Yeah. And a pool. Hang on her garage.

Yeah, there's a pool. The garage is heated. They went all fancy in the last couple months. Anyway, yeah, that'll be fun. But we'll miss you there. And we'll pull a virtual bone from there. Yeah, that sounds real normal. All right.

Wendy, have a fantastic week. We'll see it. Bye. I shouldn't say pull a bone with my sister. It doesn't make any sense. Good Lord. Yeah. Yeah. Take it all back. You will not be invited to Christmas. No. That'll be the end of that. All right. Quick notice about all the shows. Coverville today at noon. We talked about that. That's happening at noon. XTC. Not ecstasy. Yeah. I don't care what you take before you watch the show. But noon, twitch.tv slash coverville. XTC. Yeah, and you're maybe, what, an hour and 10 minutes away from that. So be ready for that, okay?

And be ready for that. Core tonight at 5 p.m. We have a big one. The Game Awards got announced. Everybody's pissed about what didn't get included. We'll talk some about that. We have FilmSack this weekend as well. And FilmSack is doing a really weird movie.

Swiss Army, man. Yeah. Brian saw it last night, and first thing out of his mouth was this might be the weirdest thing we've seen. So I am stoked to see what's how it goes. I like it. But, man, I can't wait to talk about it. I don't know what I'm going to do for an intro. I have zero idea at this point.

Oh, man, this one, stumped your musical things. Stymied me is what it did, yes. That's amazing. Well, you'll learn more about that as we know it. This weekend, FilmSack, watch for that also a couch party tomorrow. We're going to watch an hour of however much we can fit into what if season one so that. Probably two episodes. It gives us an hour and 15 minutes probably.

Totally perfect, yeah. And then that way we've got, we can watch that. whole thing and the new season got announced got a trailer so we'll be all prepped for that i haven't seen anything past the captain america stuff at the beginning uh the peggy carter captain carter captain carter captain britain or whatever i guess she got called anyway uh that'll be that and then uh play retro on friday at 230 mountain time where dunaway and i will have a show as well so lots coming up lots to uh take in so get get on it all right it's gonna do it for us big thanks to all our patrons at patreon dot com slash tms uh still time to get in for the

new month, or this month, rather. So please do, check out all the details there. It will explain everything, patreon.com slash TMS. And another note that if you want in our Discord, no matter who you are, go to frogpants. com slash Discord, easy, peasy, lemon squeezy. Also, all of the web, all of the show sites up on the site have a link directly in there, too. So if you're still stumped, our regular old web page will get you there. All right.

Click on contact. It's right there. Boom, bam, boom. All right, Brian, we're done. We need to play a song, though. I don't have one, so you probably have to do it. I guess I have to bring it, right? Okay, well, we got an email from Mike Lindell who wrote in.

Oh, not Mike Lindell to pillow. Oh, good. I really want you to play a song about pillows. Pillow. Pillows. Jesus is a pillow. Yeah, no, this is coming from Claire. I just wanted to, yeah, that's, I was waiting for the all caps, what?

Oh, good. Well, you got it. Now we have full energy to move forward. This is good. Because I promise their name playing camera for her. Dear, she put this in here just so she could hear me mispronounce the hell out of it. Dear, Cherrie and Binakti. Good Lord.

Enjoy that. Tomorrow is a very notable birthday for the man, the myth, the legend, Rev Fry. This lovely, now very old man is one of the most wonderful human beings in the world that I'm so lucky to have in my life. He's pretty feck and lucky to have me, too. I'm delicious. Wow. Her words. So for his birthday, can you please make everyone's ears bleed by playing any of the covers featured on the TikTok account at the Taco Pellers?

Nope. However, if you're too chicken, then I guess the ukulele orchestra's cover of teenage dirtbag will do. I have attachment to the spectacle in spite of everything. I love the show, though. Nice. That's pretty good. P.S., can you please play any clip you might have of me? Yeah.

Much? Plus all clips you have of laughing. Oh, well, there's too many of those to do, but I do have, I do have some Clare's. Hold on. Here's her recently. Skip it. It's, skip it, skip it. Yeah, so there's that. How about this one? Why is it spelled Claire with an eye? I don't know why I did that. Here it is. Yes, we actually say feck and we say fack. We say shite. We say arse. We say fack and we say fack. We say shite. We actually say feck and we say fack and we say fack. I may have edited about that. She's loose. There may have done some editing involved in that one.

of course not but yeah Claire there's too many laughter tracks we have billions of them it's just too many so sorry you don't get that one okay here Scott and I won't laugh for a second for you yeah oh man oh there's laughing clips for you all right I'll give her one here here's one all right there that's a laugh that's a great one too sure totally random pull it out of my butt anyway well done all right so uh going out to rev fry we all love refry here uh this is teenage Park performed by the ukulele orchestra of great britain you'll find this on the 2008 release live in london volume one and of course it's a cover of witas find out do they mention iron maiden or do they change the lyrics to be some sort of i don't know uk band oh we'll find out together

it sounds exciting all right here it is we'll be back monday with a regular tms and all that other crap i mentioned on the weekend we hope to see you there that's quite enough fun for one evening Two, three, four. My name is Noel, I have a dream about her, she rings my bell, got gym class in half an hour. Oh, how she rocks, getting tube socks. But she doesn't know who I am And she doesn't give a damn about me Because I'm just a teenage dirtbag, baby

I'm just a teenage dirtbag baby Listen to I am maiden baby with me Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh

My My boyfriend's a dick And he brings A gun to school And he simply kick My ass if he knew The truth He lives on my blood

block he drives and I rock but he doesn't know who I am and he doesn't give a damn about me because I'm just a teenage duck bag baby I'm just a teenage tub bag baby listen to I'm me oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh bye no and she doesn't know what she's missing Man, I feel like mold, it's prom night and I am lonely, go and behold. She's walking over to me, this must be fake, my lips starts to shake. But how does she know who I am? And why does she give a damn about? I've got two tickets to Iron Maiden, baby.

Come with me Friday, don't say maybe. I'm just a teenage dirt bag, baby like you. Oh, yeah, dot-bye, no one she doesn't know what she's missing. Let me get more at frogpants. Let me make this real to you. Bring on the virgins. Okay.