The Morning Stream - TMS 2562: Discount Shocker

Episode Date: November 30, 2023

Cold Farts & Wet Fish. The Ciserian Calendar. White Controller Confusion. Misty's Flapjacks. Old Furiosa Bookends. Spit-Balloon Kids Stole my Wishbone. Sopranos, not the singers. Dog Food meat loaf sandwiches. too much name. Obi-Wan Ibbott. I Like Spending Time In Holes. Choking on reality. I hate floating holidays. Who Fell Off the Roof? Mindfully Eating Cake With Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

TMS is brought to you daily by the support of our patrons at patreon.com slash TMS, like Alia, Gabe, Giesendorfer, and Alex Martinez. Totally nailed it. Coming up on TMS, cold farts and wet fish. The Cessarian calendar. White controller confusion. Misty's flapjacks. Old Furiosa bookends. Spitballoon kids stole my wishbone.

Sopranos, not the singers. Dog food, meat, loaf sandwiches. Do much name. Obi-1 ibbit. I like spinning. time in holes. Oh, yeah, you know. Choking on reality.

I hate floating holidays. Who fell off the roof? Mindfully eating cake with Wendy and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Go short, it's a birthday. We're going to party like it's a birthday. We're going to say back a party like it's a birthday. And you know we don't give a fucking out of a birthday. I heard you think you're hot shit, but you ain't nothing but a cold fart.

The morning stream. They wouldn't give us any more fish. Good morning and welcome to TMS. It's the morning stream for Tuesday. Thursday is the real day. November 30th, 2023. I'm Scott Johnson with Brian Abbott. Hi.

Hello. How many more days we have? at the uh this is the last day of the month the final it's the it's the closing of november there's no 31 oh man there's no 31 never it's a shame never has been right there's no 31 in november no no no why is it every november i ask the question whether there's i've done this it's it's probably one of those months you don't think like everybody knows like oh well december always has 31 because we've got uh new year's eve and uh january always has it and blah, blah, blah. And we know February is either, you know, 28 days or 29 days, depending

on leap year, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. But November's one of those, does it? I can't remember. There's so many other things going on right now. I can't keep track. I'm going to go back to the, what was the calendar everybody used in the olden times? Let's go back to, like, we are on the Gregorian. Yeah, Gregorian's the one. What is it, the Caesarian calendar? The Aztecs had one. We could do theirs. They did. The Mayans had one. Didn't one of them? Stephanie asks, why isn't today Thanksgiving? It's because it's the, this month has five Thursdays and Thanksgiving is typically the fourth Thursday.

That's right. And I prefer that. I want more of that for my holidays. I don't like specific dates that end up floating around the week. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I hate that. I don't want Christmas, Christmas this year is like on a, what is it?

It's like a weird day. Yeah, Monday. Monday. It's just weird. It should be, right. Christmas should be the, the fourth Sunday of the month or something. Yes.

100% that. Whatever it is, whatever you want your cadence to be, you pick it, and you go for it, and it's no more long longer just stuck at the 25th. It's just, you know, we do it fine with Thanksgiving. We could do it fine with Christmas. The only problem is you have to convince the whole world to change.

Right, exactly. Exactly. And they're not going to do that. And let's not, let's not even get into the mess, the calculation mess that is Easter. Yeah, right. Neither of which happened in the times they're set in. Right? So Jesus was born in the spring. What are we doing in December? Right. What a bunch of weirdos we are. Yeah. All right. Check this out. Brian's got a quiz for me of some sort. I do. Oh, I should look and see who sent this in. This was sent in by... Oh, sent in by somebody.

Oh, yeah. Oh, come on now. Do I have to type the whole thing? I don't know. you? Jeez, Louise. The problem is there's so many things, oh my God. Oh, my God. Why is it so hard to find this? I don't know. Yeah, I'll find it.

I believe in you. Yeah. I'm not going to waste some of our damn time. We're going to play the game. Whoever you are who sent this in, thank you. And I don't know why I can't find it. But we'll give you post. Not posthumous.

That means he's dead. We'll give you post credit sometime down the road. you just write in, tell us who you wear, and then we'll say it. Don't worry. Adam Kasbrack. There we go. What I did is because he sent it to me as a Google sheet, and I right-clicked on one of the fields and looked at edit history.

That's how I had to find out who sent this in. And the reason is it's a Tony Soprano quiz or a Sopranos TV show quiz because you basically just finished your watch-along or your re-watch, not watch along,

but your re-watch of the series. Yeah, my third time through as well so you know that's crazy i still have only watched it the one time yeah i really enjoyed this particular watch too i really enjoyed there were a couple things that came away with though and one is all the all the secondary a j stories the sun sure terrible they're all terrible really stupid he's not he's no offense to the actor he's fine it's just terrible storylines every time a j was involved hated it anyway i don't know why it bothered me the first two times but this time it just totally drove me nuts Well, we have 14 questions, and these are organized, like, he's got one, two, and three, and four-star difficulty levels on these.

And I'm thinking I'm going to give you points based on that. So if you get a, if you get a one-star, correct, you'll get one point for it, and we'll see how you do at the end. Okay, fair enough. All right. And for those listening at home or those in the chat, I see DJ Stangles, never watched the show. Sopranos is basically what if a mob-style story. long form because it's a series was told but told from the perspective

we are in a modern day doing mobster things so think you know good fellas but in a modern time or think Godfather sort of in a modern time in fact a lot of these actors came from both of those movies like think of it that way if you've never seen it

You really have to explain what the Sopranos is though I don't know he says he's never seen it I haven't watched an episode I know but I've never watched you know prior to my watching of Golden Girls you don't know you would have it to say, well, it's as if there are these four older ladies and their friends. Well, somebody somewhere thinks it's about singers. You just know it's true because of the name soprano.

Really? Because it's soprano, right? It's a singing term. I feel like it's such a well-known show. Even if you haven't seen an episode, I doubt. I can't imagine there's somebody out there. But I want somebody to write in. If you until today thought the Sopranos was not about a mobster and his family, both families,

then please let us now send it in i would love to hear from you because that's i'll be honest before i saw it that's what i thought did you really i when people said oh have you heard about this new series called the sopranos i'm like that about singing and they would clarify and then i understood so there's got to be somebody out there who didn't get clarified right somebody was never and back then i can understand obviously in 2023 definitely oh yeah it feels weird now if you don't know now it's pretty weird there was this show about these six friends and it was called friends. All right, let's get into it.

What is the name of Tony Soprano's boat? Oh, oh, I know this. Gosh, dang it. And I hate to say this is a one star. It's probably one I should just know off the top of my head. All right, it's, uh, I mean, the bina bina bing is the club, so it's not the boat. Right.

Shit. I'm going to say, I think it's a girl's name. Uh, uh, the gabagool. I don't know. You know, you're really, really close. It's the Stugats. Gosh, dang it. All right, that's not a girl, is it?

It's not a girl, but you're right in that it was like a, you know, like an Italian Italian phrase. Yeah, all right. Off to a great start. Off to a great start. Let's go from a one star to a four-star question. Great. What singer was played loud over the speakers on Tony's boat when it was anchored to annoy the neighbors?

Oh, that is, that's, uh, uh, uh, he's one of the, the, the, the, the, the one that was drunk all the time. The six-pack, yeah. The Vegas guys. Shit, not... Hold on, my brain. Oh, what's his name? Oh, my gosh!

The one that's... He's always like a big pizza pie, that guy. Oh, Dean Martin. Dean Martin. There you go, very good. Nicely done. All right, Dean Martin. So what do I get for that?

Four points for that? Four points, yeah. Someone keep track at home, so we don't... I'm keeping track here. I've gotten the spreadsheet. All right, nice. Tony owns one of JFK's captain's hats. What does the woman who sings happy birthday own from JFK?

She's the one. It's this lady. Happy birthday. Oh, right, okay. That's her. Oh, hilarious. Yes, all right. Because they're talking about their, they have memorabilia.

Yeah. They have a whole conversation about it. So she has some JFK memorabilia as well. What does she have? Dang it. You'd think I'd know this. Like you guess is in the chat room. An STD, a highlight of blood, the magic bullet.

You guys are great. Yeah, you guys are pretty great. Stained blue tracks. It was a white dress. I'm going to say, I'm just going to have to guess because I don't remember. Oh, no, the golf clubs were Seinfeld, right? Peterman sends Elaine to go bid on JFK's golf clubs. Were they JFK's golf clubs?

Yeah. And then the car, Jerry's car, gets stolen by that guy that was the brother on everyone loves Raymond or whatever. Oh, really? I don't know. She has, I don't know. She has his, his, his toupee. I have no idea. An embroidered handkerchief.

Oh, gosh, dang it. If I thought, just a little harder, I would have had it. This one's a little more up your alley. What two video game systems do we see Anthony Jr. playing on the floor when Tony comes home? N64 originally was him playing Mario Kart, and he played that a lot. That was early. And it's famous because there's a shot of Tony trying to play with him,

and he's single handling it with the middle prong. he's just yeah just it's stupid it's stupid and then the next one would be a 360 an Xbox 360 I believe oh no I'm sorry it was a Sega dream cast no yes oh I get my white controllers mixed up I was sure it was a 360 it was later though it was like 05 oh well all right let's go to this one uh Sil Silvio is the manager of the Bada Bing he is and he's also a famous guitar player. What band does he play for? It's the East Street band and what's his name?

Caught me on the worst morning for names. Apparently so. You know. I'm giving it to anyway. I just want to see if you can come up with the name of the boss. Yeah, the boss, Bruce Springsteen. There you go. Well done.

Louise Louises. What's funny is that's another four-star. That one I would have thought was a one-star difficult. Oh, yeah, that doesn't seem that hard. Yeah. I always thought that was pretty obvious. All right. What two kinds of shows and movies does Tony like to watch?

What two genres are his favorite genres of movies and TV shows? He likes film noir, like old black and white detective-y kind of things, because there's a whole episode where he spends all his time watching. Listen, here, say, what's his name? I forgot that guy's name. Oh, Sam Spade, the Humphrey Bogart. Yeah, one of those old things.

And so that's one. So you said the two genres? Yeah, but that's not one of the two I have. Shit. So I'll go ahead and save it now. War and Westerns, according to... Oh, that's weird. Because he watches all kinds of stuff.

I don't know if he ever... Does he ever state explicitly? that they're his favorite? Yeah, I don't know. That's a... All right. All right, let's get to this one. What kind of car does Tony buy Anthony Jr.?

It is a Toyota four-runner. Right? No, no, I'm sorry, sorry. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, all right. It's a Nissan Pathfinder. It's a Nissan Xtera. Oh!

A yellow Nissan Xtera. Crap! I get those mixed up and then... Damn it. All right. There's a whole thing with that stupid car. Oh, really? Okay. I didn't remember that.

Whole storyline. That's another AJ story that sucked. It's not good. Oh, really? Was it all about that car? All right. How about this one? Whose mugshot is hanging in the office at the Bada Bing?

Hmm. I don't think I noticed that. Do they ever point it out? Mugshot. Probably. Oh, this is such a guess. I'll just say John Gotti. Frank Sinatra.

Sinatra? Oh, shit. Damn it. That's not good at all. That's not good at all. What animal invades the pool area of the Sopranos home more than a few times? What animal? What animal invades the pool area of the Sopranos home more than a few times?

Okay, this is a little bit of a trick question because there was a time early on in the show where they were ducks. A very first episode, I think, isn't that? Because I think that he talks to the therapist about that. Yeah, and he has his first panic attack or whatever it is. Yep, but ducks are not what I'm looking for. Then it's a bear. It is a bear, yep, black bear. I knew there was bear.

I couldn't remember. It was more than once. Must have been Yeah, apparently more than a few times I'll take the points What movie did Anthony Jr. give his mother for her birthday? Another AJ story.

I know, this is very AJ focused. I'll tell you this is the last AJ question I'm looking through the list. Oh, good. All right. Oh, shit. What was it? She was really into something

that she watched with the priest guy who she worked with later in that Nurse Jackie show. He was the guy that gave all the drugs all the time, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, I know that guy. Yeah. Was it...

Oh. Shit. It might have been that movie that they always liked. Oh, my gosh. I'll guess. I'll just say, I can't think of anything. Why can't I think of anything?

I'll think it's the casino from Scorsese. Casino. Okay. The Matrix. Damn it! It couldn't be more opposite of the freaking anything I just said. The Matrix. Of course, AJ is going to give him something he thinks is cool from when he's growing up.

All right. What park does Tony's hotel overlook when he stayed at? in central New York. What park? Yeah, what park? Is this the one where he dreamt the whole thing because he was in a coma? Might have.

I don't know. You're the one who watched it more recently than... I mean, Central New York sounds like Central Park, so I'll say Central Park. Yeah, of course it's Central Park. That is what's new. It's throwing you a bone. Yeah.

It also felt very, like, as I was supposed to go wait a minute central right i guess central park sounds like a trick yeah sure uh what is tony's nickname for his wife carmella and what is her father's nickname for her these are two separate names two separate names okay so two separate nicknames for carmela one from tony and one from her father nicknames not necessarily shortening's because he calls her karm a lot sure that's and that is what i'm looking for for the tony nickname okay so yeah he calls her karm Carm, yep. And then in her, his case.

Yeah, what is her father call her? He's just a pissy old dude. He's the one that fell off the roof. That was a great episode. I remember that. Too bad this question is, who fell off the roof? Right, yeah. Let's see.

I don't know what he called her. The dad was barely on. Karma It's the name of two spice girls Oh Really? Yeah When they're two spice girls

With the same name They're two spice girls with the same name Their original name, not their spice names Yeah, right That would be very confusing But I'm baby spices No I'm baby spices So wait a minute

I don't have the working knowledge of the spice girls That's all right I give up what's this one Mel Oh shit! I do remember to say that. Yeah, it's basically the next

the next three letters after, well, sharing a letter with Karm. Sure. Carm and Mel. All right. Damn it. All right. You did watch the show, right?

Yeah, I know. I realize. I'm thinking of the same. We're thinking of the same sopranos. It's the exact same show. We totally did. Yeah. All the wrong details.

I have faith in you. You got this one. What's the name of the New Hampshire pancakes that Vito falls in love with? that whole Vito storyline where he leaves town and is in a whole other city for a while He's going to that diner over and over again

Because he loves the pancakes there And he ends up having a relationship With the guy who's flipping stuff He's also See these are all things I would know He was also a volunteer firefighter While he was there and tried to get Vito to be Like I know all these details

But the pancakes They were what they were called Is that we're asking? Yeah, what were they called? It's just it sucks I've experienced this my whole life, Scott, where the trivia question, the trivia person,

the MC, never asks the questions that you know. They always ask the questions that you don't know. All right, I'll call them. Let me ask a hint here. Sure, sure. Is it just another way of saying pancakes?

Yes, these are another term for pancakes or another, well, they're a kind of pancakes. They're kind of pancakes. They're not named like for the diner that he's eaten him in. Is that help? Yes, it does. So I'm going to say the only answer I have in my head is my grandmother Wilson used to call them Johnny Cakes. Is that it? That's exactly correct. That's what you're Yes. Oh, that was close. Good job. All right. Well, you helped because I got to ask a question and it helped me get there. Yeah, I didn't want you to think they're, you know, they're called Misty's

flapjacks or something like that. Although that sounds like one of the strippers. at the bottoming. The bodibing. Yeah, Misty's flapjacks. Misty's flapjacks to the main stage. Finally, last question. Let's end on a high note here. What is the name of the horse that Tony bets money on because it shares a name with his daughter?

Oh, geez. It is. That should give you a pretty good hint as to at least part of the name. Yeah. The problem is Scott's brain is like scrambled eggs today. It's a sieve this morning, yeah. It's really bad. um

so her name what is wrong with me hold on it's like a sing-songy name and it's just at the tip of my brain so let me think about AJ for a minute over there playing as n64 good job you're thinking right

clear the mind from the thing you're focusing on it starts with an S uh what is her freaking name. No, it's not us. Oh, it's like out in the grass. What's that called? When you're out in the

you're in the woods and then you enter a clearing and there's some deer and you're in the thing. Oh! Oh, meadow, meadow, meadow, meadow. Wow. It amazes me. Okay, so meadow you've got. All right. Now, what's the name of the horse? Oh.

But they're related, you're saying? The horse is not just named meadow. it's meadow something okay meadow although that was that was fun to watch it's like how you how you

get to those things blows my mind because you think of every possible thing around a synonym of the thing of the word I'm sorry the hot no you know what it is almost always a visual thing if you notice it's always a visual thing it's always me constructing

something visual I can't do it the other way All right, so Meadow, Meadow Runner. Meadow gold. Meadow gold. Like the milk. Like the milk. Yeah, those were hard. I would have been like, hey, what did, what finger did Polly always stick out when he was pointing at something?

His pinky. You know, I have a million dumb little trivial things in my head, but none of them match that. Gosh, dang it. All right. Well, so how do I do? five correct but points wise like if I'm giving you points based on

what Adam decided the difficulty was then you're getting 12 points for that for 14 questions 12 points that could have been worse it could have been a lot worse yeah could have been a lot worse I feel okay thanks listen like would I do any better on a moonlighting quiz

probably not well it depends right like the stuff it depends on what you pay attention to or what sticks with you And, you know, East Street band's easy. We're forgetting Bruce Springsteen's name is just me being dumb. But things like the horse name, some of the stuff you just don't pay attention to. It's just like the horse matters. It's part of the story that's going to happen.

Right, but it's exactly. But, you know, in the name of the boat, that sort of thing. But that said, you know, if somebody does want to come up with a moonlighting quiz, I'm all over it. I'm in. Yeah, get in there. Somebody want to do that? Do it while it's fresh in my mind. Yeah, send it to me so Brian doesn't see it.

I'll present it to him. and we're good to go. I was going to celebrate by playing a soprano. Travis Moore says, was Dr. Melfi named that because it sounds like Milfe? Milf wasn't a thing when the Sopranos started. No.

The term Milf. I don't think so, 99. I don't think so. That came after. That feels later, yeah. All right, so let's celebrate with a clip from Junior Soprano, my favorite character on the show,

or one of them anyway. Here we go. The real kind, not the diet shit. All right. There you go. We have now celebrated. Well, let's see. What was the first episode of Sopranos?

Was it 2004? No, 99. 99. Oh, same. Well, Milf was popularized in the movie American Pie in 1999. Oh, weird. So, simultaneous. So, Milf might have come around same time.

So maybe. Is that really where that came from? The term Milf came from American Pie? It said, according to dictionary.com, milf traces back to the early 90s, but was popular. by the 1999 comedy film American Pire. That must be great, those directors and producers. Look what we did, man.

Yeah. Wow. So maybe, you know what? Who knows? Maybe Dr. Melphy was named because somebody wanted to bang her, and they called her Milfi. It is weird, though. We need a good, we need a good milphy name, milphy sounding name.

Yeah. And if it was Polly, he'd be holding his fingers like this and pointing going, like this, with his pinky out. He was always doing the rock on symbol, but like this. right love that guy really that's funny oh yeah big old freaking ring on that finger it's like a discount shocker basically is what that yeah it is a discount shocker

I like that I love Polly it's my favorite but I forgot Paul the actor who played Polly what's his name's skilliery or whatever his name is just passed away but he uh he was in Goodfellas a very small role those two shocks of silver hair on either side of his head it's like freaking Captain America's cowl up there I freaking loved him.

And according to everybody on set, he was, that was really what he was like. Like, that dude was not playing a role. He was full on that dude. I love that. Do you need to take it again? No, you did just fine. You're natural at this. Always trying to take care of his mom and then finding out his mom isn't really his mom.

Oh, he had some good storylines. I love him. And also, I forgot, I forgot, what's his name, Michael Imperioly's character, Christopher. was in Goodfellas also. He's the... Oh, was he really? He's the server kid that Pesci goes crazy and shoots. Oh, shit.

Yeah, okay. Yeah. All these guys, man. They just pulled them all from all these actual mob movies. It's great. All right, well, that was fun. I enjoyed the hell out of that. That was great.

It was fun. Yeah. All right. We got a thing on that eating dog food thing, of course. Oh, right. Well, they didn't really eat dog food. It was just misprinted on the menu, but yes. Yeah.

So, yeah, we debunked to that story. but we still got, we still got some feedback about it. My favorite was this one. This was like a text from an anonymous person who says, when I was younger, a person in my life wronged me in some way. Details are foggy, they say. So to get revenge, I made a meatloaf using wet dog food and served him dog food meatloaf sandwiches.

Wow. See, never trust someone who makes you food that they're not going to eat themselves with you. Yeah, if they don't sit down and eat that with you. you you are you are running a risk of a very specific kind uh exactly don't do it it's like drinking uh poison right if you don't see the other and like in movies if the other guy doesn't drink when you drink or before you drink unless it's iocaine powder yeah inconceivable that was maybe my favorite version of that stereotype yeah every movie does some form of that i swear they're all drinking and the one guy won't drink tell the other guy drinks it's like a trope from

Why are you laughing? It's the antidote for the poison that was in your glass. Has there ever been a movie that holds up better than that one? It's so good. It is really good. Well, like movies that hold up, I have like a short list. That movie holds up. Every time I see it, it holds up.

It doesn't feel like it ages. Another one is Apocalypse Now doesn't feel like it ages to me. Feels the same now and maybe even better because they've got remastered beautiful versions of it now. 2001 the other day, that felt like a movie that didn't age, even though I know there's things in it that age. Yeah, I mean, well, they're, you know,

they're, um, predictions of space travel and that sort of thing or the, the, their, uh, depiction, I should say, not predictions, but depiction of space travel. Yeah, stuff was awesome. Uh, and then another one is Mad Max Fury Road. You may have heard of that.

That is an age at all, none. Zero Zippo. I was wondering if, uh, we were going to get through, get through, but we, we didn't make it. I'm not even going to mention, I'm not even going to mention what I learned yesterday. There's like a whole, there's some event happening in Europe where they're going to premiere a teaser. Yeah. And they have a giant, yeah, and they have a giant wall-sized golden, it looks like golden etching.

I'm sure it's not, but it looks like it's a golden etching of a big Furiosa image with her like full roboted arm and her, you know, all that. Really? It looks so badass. Oh my gosh. I wonder if, uh, I know, the majority of the movie is going to be on the Taylor Joy, but I wonder if we're going to get any bookends with Furiosa,

like, you know, driving and thinking about it as a flashback. Yeah, she, I mean, there was talk early on that she was sad. She wasn't in the next movie, she said, but I don't always believe that. Yeah. Because sometimes they've done this before. Sometimes they say that their upcoming big event movie is not going to be a two-parter, and we find out that it's a two-parter.

Yeah, I remember, I remember being surprised by that in Endgame, or not Endgame. Infinity War, yeah. At the end of that while we were in Vegas seeing that. How great was it we got to see those two movies in Vegas year? Together with Tadpoolers, absolutely. Yeah, and year after year, we got to see it bright. The very next year, there we were again. That was great.

Exactly. Different theater, but. Freaking love that. That theater. That second theater was fantastic. Yeah, it was. Which one had the lights that were too bright? The first one, did the Infinity War Theater.

It's like, great. I can tell that Hammond needs another Coke because now there's a bright blue light flashing in my eyes. Yeah, that was a bad design. They got to fix that. Maybe they have fixed it on. Yeah, Elmo Draft House has a forward-facing red light

that you turn on when you put an order card in the slot. It's like, could I have another refill on my Coke Zero, please? Oh, that sounds cool. Why does a Coke Zero sound so good, right, freaking now? It's morning. I shouldn't want one now. Right, right, because it's ice, cold, little fizzy, little carbonation. Yeah, dude.

I know you like the carbonation. I don't have any vices. I'm a vice-free person. I really don't. So my only vice is occasionally I'm like, oh, I've got to get me a Coke Zero or a Dr. Pepper Zero cherry or something. Like, it's all I've got. I don't have, you know, the heroin or the drinking or any of that. Not that those two are comparable.

You know what I mean? I don't have vices. it's the only one I've got. So unless anyone has a better solution, that's why my garage has a bunch of Coke Zero in it, okay? Yeah. Okay, so Claire asks, here's Claire again, the anti.

Playing the anti. I'll hear it. What do we got? Why can't you just get a large Coke like normal cinemas? Oh, all you mean before you go in and... Exactly, like basically, so Alamo Draft House, there is no concession stand. You go in, you sit down,

you get you get what they serve you they have one size for non-alcoholic drinks and that's the size you get and real food by the way yeah real food large drink refills when you want them yep why wouldn't you want that yeah i got no problem with that look claire going in there and buying a tub of goo just to go it's two hours i'm sure you can manage what that voice i know yeah It's like Tina and the alien from Futurama. That's funny. Yeah, Claire, you're, look, I understand your love of all things old, but that's old. All right.

Get with the times. Yes, exactly. Anyway, let's see here. Oh, we had another one. Greg from Texas wrote in. Oh, yeah, this guy. The great state of Texas. Yesterday I learned something about Texas that blew my mind in Texas.

Tell me. Brian, at one point, Spain owned part of Texas. Mexico owned part of Texas. Sure. Texas owned part of Texas because they were trying to be independent. The actual America owned part of it. Who were the other ones? France had a stake at one point.

And then there was a sixth one, and I can never remember that one. This is where the term six flags come from. And I didn't know that until yesterday. Had no idea. That totally makes sense. I had to look at it. I heard it on a podcast or something. I went to look it up.

Sure enough, Six Flags comes from this weird old time where there were six flags. Essentially, there was a six flag, Texas. That's interesting. So, and the logo they have is like six different flags,

but they're not the actual flag. You don't get a, no. You don't get an actual flag. As far as I know, I don't think so. It's been a while since I've seen that flag, but I don't think so.

That's, okay. That's fascinating. That is wild. Yeah, that blew my mind. I was like, Let's see. I want to find the list. Here we go. Texas, Spain, I'm sorry, Spain, France, Mexico,

yeah, the Republic of Texas, the United States of America and the Confederate States of America. That's right. Oh, that's why they don't use the different flags in the logo. One of them's a little on the, yeah, we don't like that flag side. Have you ever had a conversation with somebody who claims that the South trying to secede from the nation wasn't about slavery, but it was about um state's rights have ever actually had that argument with anyone no no because it's a longstanding thing you hear it all the time they always say that i actually talked to somebody once who was sure that this was true someone in the south so it wasn't about slavery anyway that's all just been painted that way it was really just about state's rights so i said to him state's right to do what yeah right yeah there you go exactly and he look at me like i was flummoxing him and he went yeah what do you

mean? I go, what were the rights they were trying to retain? Exactly. And he goes, well, you know, all kinds of righteous. I'm like, no. The right to own slaves. There's not even one particular right that the South was fighting for. One very specific right.

Yeah. That was very wrong. Anyway. All right, Brian. Oh, this thing from Greg, sorry, we didn't get Oh, yeah, Greg, yes, please. Greg from Texas says, I really hate to add to the discussion of pronunciations, but Or would you say boot, if you pronounce that?

Boot, bootanis. Impossible not to say. I find that anything between the phrase really hate to and butt is usually a lie. Usually. At least 74% of this is a lie. I really hate to be the bear of bad news. But. Yeah, it's a real but actually.

Anyway, says the aluminum version. versus aluminum thing. Sure. Both are right because there are two different spellings. And the maintenance example would only be relevant if we pronounced it, Mantenence, Greg from Texas. So this is, this stemmed from the boy versus buoy thing, right?

It did. Yeah, originally, I think. I think that's, I think everything that you hear. I remember the maintenance thing. I remember there was a, there was an example that I cited that was, um, uh,

it was buoyancy. Because you say buoyancy, you don't say buoyancy. Oh, yeah. So that's, that's the example. I don't remember the, the maintenance example. So what's the, I'm trying to see with the subtle misspelling. Oh, the eye at the I, um, at the end of aluminum.

Yes, aluminum. It does have eye. The American spelling doesn't have that. Yeah. Yeah, the word that I was thinking about the other day, it was like, well, that's a dumb, we really should have two different spellings or a different way of writing this one. But the word duplicate, or duplicate, is spelled exactly the same. same. It's just pronounced differently, whether it's a verb or a noun. Right. Duplicate or duplicate. And so

you have, that's a word where you have to completely rely on context to figure out how it's pronounced. Right. No, you're right. Same with two, two, and two and two. All of those have. Sure, but those are all spelled differently. Oh, that's true. That's true. If you're reading duplicate. Oh, right, right. There's your context if you're reading. That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah. But if you're talking, we sound weird. saying yeah it's a no no this idea is a duplicate yeah you go to Taiwan wait a minute or do you mean duplicate or a duplicate oh yeah minute and minute is good too yeah minute it's time and small oh yeah and they're supposed I mean they're the they're basically live and live live live live although data is just pronouncing it it it means the same thing no matter how you pronounce it yeah but duplicate and duplicate are the same thing are the same thing But one's the noun, one's a verb. Did anyone ever question if live, the band, Live, was Live?

It was called Live. Yeah, and they just never clarified. No one asked. No, I don't know if they, I bet they have, somebody has to have at some point. Oh, we're opening for the band Live tonight. It's going to be great. See, Live, I kind of prefer it, to be honest, if it's live. Yeah, the, there's the in excess live album, which is called Live Baby Live,

but is it pronounced Live baby live because that's the the line in New Sensation Oh right Live baby live Now that the night is over Yeah

I don't know That just makes me want to hang myself In a closet with my pants down Oh now Just kidding It's too soon Too soon Maybe if you knew

Maybe if you were close friends With Bob Geldof You'd understand What he could do to people Is that what happened Did they blame Geldof for that? Well Gildoff was With a Trudy

know who's Michael Hutchinson's they were they were it was over a woman oh I didn't know Trudy? Why is the name Trudy come into mind? I don't know. Was she just another brick in the wall for that guy? It's a deep cut because For people who haven't seen the movie that's a deep cut.

Yeah, if you haven't seen the movie the wall from based on the Pink Floyd album The Wall then you have no idea why Gildoff is being brought up in conjunction with the wall. Yeah. Let's see. Paula Yates. That's right. It was Paula, not Trudy. Paula. So what was the deal with him? So they were rivals with a girl or something? Is that what you're saying? Yeah. So she was married or she was the baby mama of Hutchins's daughter, Tiger Lily.

And I think it was there was like some sort of, I wanted her to be with me, don't want her to be with him kind of thing. but she had left him for Bob Gildoff. Oh, weird. Really? Yeah. Why? Put the two of those guys side by side and see if you'd make the same choice. By the way, her full name is Heavenly Hirani Tiger Lily Hutchins Gildoff.

That's trouble right there. Everything about that is trouble. That is so much name. I don't love it. That's crazy. Also, Bob Geldorf, that guy looked like the... How do I explain this? If you put, if you took, if you took Bob, who's the other Bob?

Newhart? No. Dylan. Dylan, thank you. Gosh, dang. If you took Bob Dylan, but then rubbed his face really hard on a brick wall for about an hour. Oh, geez. You'd get Bob Geldof.

That's what you'd get. Oh, there's a new documentary called Paula, which is all about Paula Yates. Oh, that's right. She was a TV presenter. So let's see, she was Like UK presenter person? Yeah, UK TV presenter.

I don't know. I've never heard of this woman until today. Yeah, she was with Michael Hutchins and she left him for Bob Gildoff, I think, something like that. Sounds like I need to watch the Paula Yates documentary

to find out how all that happened. Claire just called me ugly, by the way. Inadvert. Oh, no, really? inadvertently because she said glass houses when I'm making fun of Bob Geldof's face that that's her way of saying oh well look at you look in the mirror there buddy that's what she said wow oh ban and kick right there see you later ban kick problem solved no more no more telling me how I should live my movie theater life that's right

listen which one of us which one of us was on TV as moviegoer this guy right here Claire that's right so who's the authority yeah who's got that on their resume, not Claire Gack! There's no Claire Gack, comma, moviegoer. God, I wish I could find, I wish I could find that clip so I could just capture that frame out. Brian Abbott, comma, moviegoer.

Oh, you really should. Where is it? Do we not have it handy? Can you not get it? I don't think we have it handy. I don't think I should have downloaded that video. It's not even available on their website anymore. They've, like, cleared out stories older than older than a certain year, unfortunately.

By the way, that reminds me. I was watching Dr. Sleep around Halloween with Kim. She loved it. I loved that movie. I did too. I've seen it twice, but second time for me, the first time for her. And we get done with it, or we're in the middle of it. And I said, I paused the movie. This is true. I can't believe I didn't tell you this.

I pause the movie and I look over to Kim, I go, you realize that Ewan McGregor is playing an older version of what could have been Brian Abbott. Right, yeah. You said this one when you first started watching, or when you, when you, uh, when I first watched. When I first saw, yeah, but I took a moment to actually pause the thing on a big old fat Xbox Series X controller just to tell my wife that, hey, can you imagine

Obi-1 Canobi being the future Brian of it? Like I had all this. Isn't that crazy? Right. I know. But like that would have been a great claim to fame, right? It's like, less, less about me riding a big wheel through the, the Overlook Hotel, but more about guess who plays the older version of me? Obie one. Obi-1 Canobey. Obi-O-B-Wan, baby. yeah oh yeah um yeah at some point i need to uh oh do i find one i was gonna say i need to send you a um what would maybe think of this holy cry oh it was it was finding clips from that news article oh right because they've got another reporter on that show who sounds just like uh Alex uh whose voice you don't like oh oh oh Alex from America's next top podcast from a certain from a certain podcaster event show and then also just always hear of my head when i sleep and all that stuff Yeah, I know what you mean. Yep, yep. I don't know what happened.

Alex hasn't been in our chat room in ages, so I don't know what he's up to. Did I finally offend him enough with me tease him about? No, he's just really busy, I'm sure. He's got kids. I'm going to see if I can find. So this reporter named Mark Salinger. Yeah.

Nope, not that one. I was going to find you, like, I hear this guy, and it's like, oh, that's freaking Alex Elbisu, right there. Mark Sallinger. this is such a rabbit hole we're never going to get any news done today no we're not never any it's okay though um we might get one story we might do that maybe let's see here i like though i like when we go down to rabbit holes though i'm a rabbit hole kind of guy i like it yeah i like to spend time in that hole i like to see other rabbits you know other rabbits around let's see if this one

let's see if this one has i'm going to find the yeah uh no no not there this is like when i was scott peterson on that news here we go all right i'm giving you a link okay give it start this video at about 43 seconds and you'll hear alex lb suh talking about a overturned truck in uh carrying torpedoes in denver

okay it's gonna weird me out 43 you say yeah so 43 seconds okay here we go 40 I'll put it at 41s to be safe. And torpedoes headed for a submarine base in Connecticut lay bruised along the busiest highways in the city. Are you kidding me? You're like, how was that not Alex Elvisu right there? 100% that's his voice.

Yeah, yeah. You could have told, you could have lied to me and said he did a new story. That it was really Alex Elbisu. And I would have believed you. Yeah, I would have believed you. Damn, dude. There you go. Yeah.

No, I talk to Alex all the time, Chad. He's not mad at me. We're just. No, no, of course not. Yeah, he's, I heard from him talking about joining the filthy casuals raid team again when I get back into Wow, and I will totally do that. Yeah, why wouldn't you? They seem to be kicking. They want me to play more of that, what's that scary game?

Phasmophobia. Oh, God, Alex loves that game. He loves that, and he loved torturing me the first time. He loves making people play it, watching them react to it. Yeah, because I'm terrified in that game. It's no good for me. All right, we're going to do one quick news story. Yep.

And here's the thing for it. Hey, look, it's the news brought to you by. Brought to you by Coverville. Yeah, today at noon, because class is not back in session until next week. So don't worry. Oh, no, I'm doing this anyway because class is, do I do it? No, I guess, yeah, next week it'll be after class. Yes, right, okay.

Oh, right. This week, back to still at noon. Damien Rice, he's an Irish singer that Damien. Ryan Rice. A lot of people, that's why I'm wearing Ireland today, because a lot of people don't know Damien Rice here in the States. Huge in Ireland. He was part of a group called Juniper, when solo, really, really amazing vocalist. Anyway, he's turning 50 and a lot of people have covered him. Surprising number of people have covered him. So you're going to hear covers on the show today covers by folks like Obadiah Parker, Donald Lewis. Remember Donna Lewis? I love you. Always forever.

Oh, I know that song. Yeah. Skala and Kallakni brothers and Natalie Imbrulia. Wow. All covering Damian Rice and who's going to cover folks like Sia and Radiohead. All this and more coming up today at noon mountain time, Twitch.tv. TV slash Coverville. Nice.

He's from Selbridge, Ireland, originally. And now resides in, no, he's born in Dublin. Born in Dublin, but now, yeah, Selbridge. Shane McGowan died, yes, of the Pogues, lead singer of the Pogs, there will be a Pogs, probably a Pogs set in dedication. Again, not a lot of Pogs covers in my library, surprisingly, but it's the best time a year to play one particular Pogs song that is probably the best known song by the Pogs in tribute to Shane McGowan.

Nice. All these people dying, man. What's the deal? What's the deal? Although, you know, I'm not losing any sleep over Kessinger dying last night. That's fine. Whatever. Henry Kissinger finally shuffled off at age 100.

Yeah. Done. Done. War criminal A-hole. All right, let's move on. Quick, quick story. Jailed Russians are forced to listen to Bon Jovi and Moby songs on repeat. This is the torture they get.

Doesn't sound so bad. It's way better than listening to Screamo, I think. I agree. Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't, I mean, I don't like Bon Jovi. That's what they were, can listen to in Guantanamo, right? It was like

Screamo or was it was it never going to give you up on repeat or something? There was something that was like felt really cruel and unusual punishment. Yeah, they definitely did Screamo for the Branch Davidian siege.

They were trying to, they were trying to... Oh, right, yes. I remember that. That was pretty early. Well, one of Russia's strictest prisons has a playlist of songs. It plays to inmates every morning

over loudspeakers, according to an inmate. list includes multiple bon jovi songs hits by djay moby is that what we're calling him now dj moby i mean that's fine that's fine i just have never heard anyone call him dj moby before dj well it's just funny like having like if you said a dj named moby then yeah okay but but the fact yo yo yo yo j moby here in the house coming at you with some porcelain boy wiki wiki wiki uh also it's that No side.

Yo, what's up? They even, they kind of buried the headline, says, and even ACDC's Thunderstruck. I like that song. Yeah, so far, none of these are problems. Listen, I voluntarily listen to Banjo v. Moby and ACDC. I guess it was a real problem, they say later, during the COVID quarantine, they really blared it in there, like on repeat. Oh, really?

Yeah, but still. Well, all right. I guess over and over again, but then it's like, oh, I'm picking up new things in this song. that I haven't noticed before. Thank you for doing this. I'd be like, oh, no, not those songs. Oh, no.

I think too much Bon Jovi would drive me nuts because slippery when wet doesn't have too many. That album doesn't have a lot of nuance. It's just sort of what it is. Actually, I'm a cowboy. I was going to say anything in the past 15 years from Bon Jovi and this, I may get some hate mail for this, but is so pandery, country, jingoistic, rah-rah.

It's not my favorite. Yeah. Not a lot of nuance. Not a lot of depth. It's fine. John, you seem like a nice guy. I'm working hard in a factory coming home to bring money to my family. Yeah.

I mean, that is kind of work. Where'd Ritchie Sambora end up? Hey, blue collar workers, the sun's for you. That's right. It's right on his sleeves. He wears it on his sleeves. Where'd Ritchie Sambora end up? Is there still a Bon Jovi band?

Somewhere buried under Heather Lachlir. No, I don't know. Oh, that's right. They were together. Yeah, not anymore, though. Nope. I don't know what Ritchie Sambora doing. You know, he's got talent, you know?

He's 64 years old. Oh, he was with Heather Lachler until 2007. I thought it was Oh wow Yeah I thought it was Less Time than that 94 to 2007 is a pretty long stretch

Says he is Let's see Solo work I imagine he just Sits back And collects royalty checks Probably Probably

Um Let's see here Studio albums Last thing he produced was in 2013 Oh no no I'm sorry With RSO Yeah Richie Sambora Orchestra

Is that it? Sembora organization. There was an album in 2018 is the last thing it is. The Richie Sembora Occupation. Look for it by name. All right, we're going to take a break. When we come back, my sister, Wendy, will be here. We got an email from a listener.

We're going to go over it and talk about it. It would be great to have her back since we missed her on Thanksgiving. It was also her birthday since then, so we can wish her a little happy birthday. And my wife's birthday was yesterday. All these birthdays. And she's not even here. Oh, yeah. That's right.

to wish Kim a happy birthday. Is she back from her trip or she's still on it? Tomorrow night. So I get her back tomorrow night. Finally, my life can resume as normal. What have you been eating so far? Anything of the ordinary? Some frozen dinner stuff, but they're all good one. You know, like veggies in them. I tried to be good this week. Very good. Good for you, man. I did all right. I didn't do anything too stupid. No full pizzas or anything dumb like that. I did all right. Anyway, that'll be after this song selection Brian brought. So Brian, what do you have today? Sure. Well, we've had some. Some people say, you know, play enough rap, Brian, and they say just like that.

And I say to them, oh, your voice is funny and weird, but you're right. Okay, fair enough. This is some rap, some hip-hop, but still has a really cool soul vibe. Listen, there's certain amounts of rap and hip-hop that I like and certain kinds that I don't like. And what I play on the show, it comes right down to what I like, and then that little subset from there of what I think everyone else will. like. So, so we start with the, here's what Brian likes. And then there's the, what the audience

would like. And it's that little middle of the Venn diagram that I, that I play here on the show. Sure. It's a large Venn diagram, really. There's a lot of stuff. This is a brand new single from Ella Iyer, E-L-L-A-E-Y-R-E. There's a brand new single featuring TIGS to author out now via Play It Again Sand. This is a single that was written by, uh, in a creative crossroads at Ella's career, kind of a brand new start for her, and she's releasing music as an independent artist for the very first time.

This is the song, Head in the Ground. Here's Ella Eyre and Tiggs da author. Hey, get it. Where did I need my soul? I know. Where did I drop that ball? No one knows. Uh-huh.

Where did I give my song? I'm sorry. Where did I drop that bar? No one knows. I've been a fair bad human being lately I damn near lost my mind I spent way too much time doing the wrong thing I've been putting around the same old circles

I just can't find the joy I run hide and avoid All the drama of the trauma With my head in the ground too long Where did I length my soul Where did I drop that ball No I know Head in the ground too long

Where did I leave my soul Where did I drop that ball? No one knows Got to get real comfortable With being uncomfortable Baby I guess I get lazy Lazy

I Chase the guala chase the cash Walk alone the payment cracks Mama came a whooped my ass Because I lost myself on lose a stash Who are money, who are money, yeah Being broke ain't that funny, yeah Remember when we had nothing, yeah

Remember when we had nothing, yeah Or the roaches and mice's with my friends Got a TV, no license, Coney for the Rises, crisis, crisis My life is a shock, I hate surprises Ask my grandma, my wife, this keeps happening She said you had your head in the ground too long Where did I lose my song

Where did I drop that ball, no I know No one knows Heard in the ground too long Where did I leave my soul? Where did I drop that ball? No one know. Well, someone said I was higher shit. I was in my own world like a waste cadet.

But guess what? It's not, but I thought only one bitch with the key to the lock. I saw a sign like a blue bottle to a neon light with my eyes closed wings up and dark. Yeah, and around too long. Where did I leave from? Where did I leave my soul? Where did I cut that ball, no I know.

Nobody, no, no, nobody no, no. Head into ground too long. Where did I leave my soul? Where did I cut that ball? No one know. Well, I have been to run too long. Where did I leave my soul? Where did I drop that ball?

No, I know. Head in the ground too long. Learn too long. Where did I leave my soul? Where did I drop that ball? No one knows. Nobody no, no. O'Klee.

Allude. Perfect dirhikillo. D'Aquiretto. We, dacodak. Sure, sure, so, no. Vagata yon. Okilita, okayly. Watch as Windows integrates Lotus 1, 2, 3 with Miami Vice.

And we've returned. Who was that one more time? Sure. That was, I'm going to say this as white as I can. Ella Eyre and Tiggs da author with a brand new song called Head in the Ground. That's a brand new single that just came out from the two of them. Nice.

So for anyone in the chat wondering, this thing right here. Oh, golly, doggly. So all the subsequent ones were different. Yeah. languages of, or sorry, translations or dubs of whenever Ned Flander says, okly-do-lily, it's other countries saying it. Every different language, like basically here are the different versions of Ned in every language. Yeah, and if you listen to this one, I don't know what even some of these are.

Right, who knows, but Germans? The first one's out of Japanese. Yeah, now listen what the Germans say. Okilita, okayly. They just say the thing. They just say it with a German accent. I love it. We do.

Yes, exactly. Well, I mean, sometimes okly dokly doesn't need to be translated into anything else. No, no, it's fine on its own. Let's get Wendy in. Yeah. Rendian. Wendy in. Yeah, we'll add her to the call.

We'll do this. We'll have some fun. We'll learn some things. I'll probably say something dumb and then she'll make fun of it. That's what you do. It's what you get from your little sister. I'll explain the situation to Wendy. Don't worry.

You know, the old. you get, it's weird to refer to your siblings as your little sister, even though they're like full adults and stuff. Anyway, Wendy, hi, hello. It's got to be even weirder for her. Yeah, probably even weirder for Wendy. Oh, what mic are you on? You sound like you're a mile away. Where are you

right now? I don't know. Oh, you know what? Is it doing what it did last time? I think it did. Yeah, I think it's on the same. Easier to tell this time, though, because I think your phone was in a muffled place. Okay, how's that? That better? Much better. Yep. I can tell you're on the one you want to be on now. Yay. How was Thanksgiving? Thanksgiving was all right. Yeah, it was great. Yeah. Somebody stole the thing though. Our wishbone got taken. Oh, it really? I don't know who did it. We had like 30 people at Misha's and I went over there to check the carcass like I always do every year. Yeah. Yeah. The carcass was missing the wishbone. It was gone.

What? I know. And I asked Misha. Oh, I don't know where that went. Nobody knew. Nobody had any idea. Wow. Because who even takes that off? That takes work. Right. That's work. Exactly. You've got to know you're doing it and have a reason for doing it.

Yeah, I was kind of mad. But then I also realized there's a lot of little kids now. And I think maybe somebody was having some fun or whatever. Here's something I'd like to, here's some advice. When you're, uh, so Thatcher's kids are blowing up balloons as big as they can get them trying not to explode them. But they explode anyway. It's a disaster.

Yeah. And they, they're kids. are like, I don't know, they're five, six, something, the oldest. And they kept blowing them up and blowing them up. And I started to notice when they would explode that a fine mist would go everywhere because kids are spitting in these balloons, right? Because they don't even know they're doing it. Sure.

And now there's at least six people who've all come down with some kind of something, Carter included. It's just basically an airborne toxic event. Yeah. So I have regrets about what happened. that day. And I'm pretty sure they stole my wishbone. But it's fine. They're cute kids and they're sweet and whatever. I somehow dodged it. They are petri dishes. I have noticed. Everyone keeps getting the diseases when the little ones are around. That's how it works. You guys are

just living in a daycare. Yeah. You got to build up your immune system, I guess, and we're the victims of it. Anyway, well, I'm glad yours was good. Also, a happy birthday. We missed it, but I hope it went well. I missed it. I guess we didn't miss it. I called you that there. I texted you that day. You did. You did a good job. In fact, Mark called called me, like a FaceTime, like I'm his grandchild. It was very weird. What? That is weird.

It was great. I was like, whoa, why is he calling? And I realized it was my birthday. I didn't even get a text from him on my birthday this year. Mark's got playing favorites. Oh, no. Hitness. Hitness.

You know who the favorite is. Yeah. Wendy was always the favorite. It is hit and miss. No, it was a great birthday. In fact, we had a real steps meeting. And so everyone ate a little piece of cake in my honor. And it was very fun.

How do they all have cake? They all have separate cake? Yeah, I told everyone to bring their favorite treat, and then we eat it, we eat mindfully in real steps. Let them bring cake, I think is what Wendy said. And someone had like a candle. It was very cute. So it was a fun.

It was a good birthday. Mindful eating is, um, is really a thing, isn't it? It's something you need to do. Yeah. It's, I remember the first, uh, the first things I remember doing for therapy Thursday was like we had a banana and we had to very carefully consider the banana. open it and then take one bite and just think about everything that it took to get that banana into your hands.

And I can tell you, I learned everything I needed to from that experience and absolutely do it every time I eat now without failing. I totally don't feel the banana and try to shove two-thirds of it in my mouth all at once. I totally don't do that anymore. Yeah, that's great. By the way, the food industry has, at least in the marketing parts of it, this is really very important to make billions of dollars is you have to have the three vs you have to have volume so like a ton of it and then variety meaning a million different flavors just think cereal

aisle and then the last one is velocity you have to be able to eat it fast so it's literally the opposite of what you should be doing people are working on every day is to get you to eat fast and so it's one and done is definitely not what's happening we got a we got a culture problem food culture problem. Yeah, we do. But look at you over there, solving at one meeting at a time. It's got to be salty, it's got to be fattening, and you have to be able to eat it in four seconds. That's right.

And it needs 14 ounces of sugar for every bite. All right, let's get to the email that you sent me. So you sent this a couple of weeks ago as a thing that we would hit. And so we're going to do it now. I'm going to go ahead and read it. There's no name associated with this. So I'm just going to read it as if it's an anonymous person, which it is. It is, sure.

They say this. Online dating is our subject. In 2011 to 2012, living in New York, I hadn't gotten sober yet. Online dating was like shooting fish in a barrel. It was far too easy to hook up with someone. It felt transactional. It was kind of my first step to getting sober. There is a Weezer song called Tired of Sex.

It essentially distills that period of my life. This isn't bragging and not something I'm proud of. But yeah, online dating for me was toxic and accelerated my drinking. you, sorry, you meet out for a drink, and it's your place or mine. You might text one or two times afterward out of the courtesy, or out of courtesy, then it was on to the next. After I got into a committed relationship with someone to whom I am now married, I worked in an office with mostly women,

and at lunch I would listen to their stories about online dating, how the platform changed with questions like he already wants to move in. I'd like to run. I'd be like run. Oh, I'd like run. Like he wants to tell them to run. So that's the, that's the whole of it. I mean, obviously, this is part of a larger, I assume a larger email that you got,

but this is the chunk you sent me. Yeah. So. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we talked about online dating before and just kind of some of that. And so we put it in the universe and someone wrote in and just said, this was my experience. That's right.

Okay. I was wondering where, but the. Sorry, didn't give you the context. Yes. Okay. And so the idea of the online dating has changed, right? it is no longer the the fun 2010 version I don't know everything you described sounds pretty fun and led to lots of challenges yeah and I mean even just then though you know it was sort of like

still living I mean New York City too is going to be its own version of dating life as well but just this like oh it was a way to meet new people and hook up and whatever like it it wasn't the only way people meet each other like it is off and I'm hearing that now, right? So what I thought I'd do today is just sort of talk generally about I will use, I'll switch all sorts of things up so you can never identify these people, but just some of my client's experiences with dating and online dating and how that's sort of changed, but also like what are some really practical ways to manage this? So, you know, this person's example is less like, I could just hook up all the time. It was great. I got bored. And then.

hearing about it later when they were committed and realizing like oh no this is what are you guys doing on this app and it's more serious relationships happening right that's it kind of illustrates the the transition that it's had over time but i bring up the velocity the volume and the whatever thing with food industry because it's actually very similar uh in terms of how lots of things have transitioned in sort of modern at least modern american life i would assume in lots of places, but as more people work on marketing a thing or more people, more money is made in sort of things that, let me think about Twitter. What even was that when it started, right? Like, hey, guess what? Let's have a place where we chat and you only have

this many letters to write. Yeah. Yeah. It was a very, it's a very, it's a very different than what it's used for today. For sure. Yeah, of course. And so it starts as a thing and morphs into a thing. usually why anything does so much morphing is time plus there's a there's a actual mathematical formula of time plus money and a million more people working on it and lots of shifting and ideas and all sorts of things to make more money right it literally is a how do we we get more of this so think of the dating apps is something similar someone at some point i don't i didn't look up the history but i'm sure whoever started putting some of this online we've had matchmakers for a long time there's yeah that you know video dating and stuff in the 80s and all that i mean what great great

expectations is that what the one was called uh oh great expectation yeah remember that please sing it it was like a thing you'd see you'd see like infomercials for it and stuff yeah exactly i just remember there a little two adjoining hearts uh logo yeah yeah i remember that so nothing new here to be seen right except for we never had technology that worked the way it does now and or has sped up or algorithms or bots. Now, imagine any of those dating resources where there were bots. They'd have to be like real people faking a whole thing, you know, as opposed to, you know, someone else sending out a thousand bots. Let me ask you a quick question. Like is the difference between, maybe we'll end up getting to this. So maybe I'm jumping the gun. But like when he says he

hears these people at work talking about online dating and his inclinations to say run and get away. Yeah. Wouldn't there have been another generation that it was people in the office talking about bar hopping and the other guy who did a lot of that turns to them and says run away like it's kind of the same thing isn't it yes it's it's old man dad saying his wisdom when it's too late right everyone will learn the way they learn and I think I think for me just clinically working with people from the onset of online dating apps it was just like the person and I would share the horror of this is how is this going to be a good thing like for me, it was just like, whoa, whoa, you need more organic interaction. You need someone to have set you up or a

place you already like to go. Like, it's built into your life that the adding, especially depending on the person and what they were going through, just some lack of safety, right? Like, remember I, this happened the other day. I bought something with my credit card online and I thought, I remember the first time doing this and thinking, well, I'm screwed. I'm going to be robbed for life. Like, this is not safe to do, you know? So early days in online dating, it was like, you must be desperate. The sort of stigma was you must be desperate and it's not safe, right? And then as like the ubiquity of it grew and more people were on and certain companies were doing certain different things, people were having a pretty good time.

Obviously, this guy was having a good time in the New York area. But they were just meeting other people who were a little more tech forward, I think. and, you know, lots of people met, you know, their future partner forever and, like, there's some good stories. In fact, I had some clients who were featured in the, like, a New York Times article once about being like, oh, it can actually work, you know? And so lots of just different experiences people were having, plus still meeting people at the office, right?

Remote work was not quite a full thing in the early 2000s and the 2010s. And so you just had some of the old-fashioned ways we're still sort of working or, you know, sort of working. But if you ask anyone today who is single and trying to date and maybe has a remote office job or, you know, lives in a town that doesn't have a ton of people, what is the way to date? They will say there are only two options. One is online and one is to go to the local bar. Those are your only two options. and that limits you in ways that, you know, feel pretty frustrating, right? Feels very limiting in a way that it hasn't ever felt.

Because you're only going to, you're typically only going to be neat people who drink or are on those apps for sex. Exactly. Or primarily. Primarily or are confused about why they're on the app. And so this is, this is, if I could create a program for people, this is based on sort of lots of people I've worked with, there'd be a couple of things that I would do. If you are in this category,

so for many of you, you're just like, oh, this doesn't apply to me. But if this does apply to you, here's a little bit of gold, you guys. Here we go. There is this feeling,

and this is everyone will report this to me. It's just like dread. They don't want to get on. They don't want to do it. And there's reasons, but they also have to get on in order to partner up because that's what they actually do want.

And so it's a pretty significant conflict. And one of the first, reasons you don't want to is a either you're getting rejected or you know it's it's not going well um you're getting catfish that happens by bots and other people um there you know there's those just basic like self-esteem stabbing kinds of difficulties um and then there is also like if you get on and get attention now you've got you know communication that is very weird and superficial and And sometimes unwanted for long periods of time. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And or just getting ghosted for no reason really, you know, as you think it's, so your hopes are getting dashed all the time, you know, all sorts of just, it is a emotional roller coaster that you're paying to be on. Right. Which is tricky. And you're, you know, it's exploiting your loneliness and desire to be, you know, with other

people. And so it's, ah, it's fraught, right? Okay. So there's a couple of things I have people. people do if you are going to be pursuing this in your life. First of all, nobody wants to buy anyone. They hardly know a Christmas present. So just plan on doing this in January, okay?

And that is get someone you know and love to give you some feedback on your profile. Somebody you trust. Now, that may be difficult to find someone like that, but maybe even you might think, oh, somebody who's been married a long time? They're going to have no clue or something, right? But just like, who do you trust? to eyeball this because there's a couple things. And you can read any article about what works and what doesn't.

It's marketing. You are marketing yourself. And that feels icky. I'm sure it does for many people, right? But a picture of you with a giant fish dudes is not what you think it is. Shirtless holding a baby tiger, no? That's better than a fish. Or a deer holding up a rack of a deer you shot.

Oh, God. Yeah, right. Yeah. So just don't do that and check with someone. Here's the thing, though. In those cases, it does weed out the people very quickly who don't want that. If somebody wants that, then you're trying to decide on who I'm going to follow on Twitter. It's like, oh, sitting in the bed of their truck with a baseball cap and reflective rainbow sunglasses,

probably not a person that I'm going to follow. Yeah. Okay. So that's part of what the problem we're running into, right, is that we make our judgments, because here's the beautiful thing about every relationship I've ever got the privilege to witness up close, including my own and everyone I know. And that is, some opposites absolutely need to be there. Some differences. That's why we're attracted to somebody else. Now, I don't know if it's 100% your truck situation and your Prius situation. But like, we make such quick snap judgments. We're using all of our worst brain abilities to try to find a thing that really requires some magic, right? So it is tricky. But I'm telling you, there are just a couple things you can do to have a better shot. And that is have someone, just anyone with some taste, anyone with some experience with humans, run through your thing. So I'll give you an example. I've worked with somebody who was so lovely and was not getting anyone to match with her. And it made no sense.

sense from a physical standpoint, very attractive, lots of great pictures. And then I was like, can I, and this was early days of whatever it was Tinder, I guess. And I said, can I see what you wrote? Yeah. And no lie. This woman was in her early 40s. And she had so many exclamation points on her thing. And I was like, oh, you sound like you're 16. Right, right. And I love puppies. I love the movie. I love the sky. She's really bright, but she was used to being around a lot of like Barbies. She was not a Barbie herself.

And so I think she saw them get lots of attention and she just acted like them or something. I don't know. So I'm no lie, you guys. I just rewrote it for it real quick. I was like, let me do. Come here. Let me just try this. This was before I was more professional.

But anyway, I rewrote it and I took all the exclamation points. out and dropped a couple things that just made her seem really immature. And I knew her well. She's not immature. It was weird. So anyway, within, I mean, we push publish and by the end of the session, she checks again and gets like 20 inches. And I was like, okay, here's the thing. Some filter is like, this is a person that's not safe for something's wrong here. Anyway, so lots of good experiences just by tweaking that. I've had another client just do pictures better. Right? Same person and update your pictures. None of this lying. Don't have a picture when you were 21 and then you're 36 and we all went through a pandemic. We know, you know. Don't use that mid-jury, AI generated photo that makes you look like somewhere between you and George Clooney. Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that. Be honest, but also you can, you don't have to take a picture from low so you have 40 chins in it. You can take a picture from a little higher so you only have two chins, you know? Like, you only have two.

there's a way. There's a way to just kind of feel good about yourself in those pictures and not be false advertising. Okay, so those are kind of content some things, right? And then here is the most important stuff. If you're not getting any attention at all after you do those tweaks, then let's go to a bar. Because that is what these things are built for. And to stay around and just be miserable, you got to really decide, like, is this misery worth it? And the more miserable you are, the less actually attractive you are to yourself and your own life, let alone to somebody else, right? So maybe this is where we employ hobbies and do other things, right? And find people who love the same hobby as you. And that's a great place to meet people, which you should

be doing anyway. And that's actually my bigger point here is if you utilize online dating and you have a love, hate, toxic relationship with these apps. We need to break you up with the app. So get off, get off for a couple weeks. And then when it's time to get back on, you have to behave very differently. And you need support. So either you get a friend, you get your therapist on this, whoever is going to be able to tell you the hard facts you need them on your team. And that is to keep you to some structure. And this has helped many people I've worked with. You have rules that you follow.

Instead of letting the algorithm and the way the technology is designed, decide your life, you decide how you will use these apps. These are a tool for you as opposed to you are a tool on these apps. Okay. Oh, that was a good one. I like that. I was good. Write that down.

That's a book. I know. I use a tool in the offensive way. Anyway, but so this idea is that you would give your, a time limit that it and and it only goes in certain parts of your life. Okay. So maybe you will swipe a bunch and then you go to have your whole work day and then you look at it at the end of the day, right? So you kind of keep it time blocked so it's not just this constant thing. And then, and here is the key. And I've worked with a lot of women who will have a lot of

conversations starting. And so we have found a magic number of you cannot because we're not humanly made to do more than this, have more than three people you're talking to, preferably two, one is great. And instead of keep swiping, it's like you're watching your favorite show on Netflix, but every once in a while you stop and then can look at whether things are also on Netflix. That's a weird thing, isn't it? It is a weird thing. And it is not how we are built. Yeah, we shouldn't do that. That is, first of all, just attention-wise, not even like monogamy wise. I don't even mean that. I mean attention-wise, right? So you have one, two, three max people you're speaking or you're chatting with and you do not swipe anymore after that. And I know

these these apps will show you different ways to get your attention and get you to keep going. I know that. So this is about deciding you're going to do this differently and just test it out, just an experiment. Even if you did this for one month, I'm telling you, you're going to see something happen. Okay. So you limit it to three people and then here's the key. Those three people, you make it, now don't, you don't have to get weird, but you just need to make it a little real, a little more fast, right? And the key is to get off the app as fast as you can. Okay. The app is your finding tool. The app is not your calendar and your Gmail. You don't want to stay there. You want to find a person and move it to let's have lunch. So in my, and I work with

men and women on this. And it's been more for the women that this has been really important, but men have found this very successful too because it manages if it's a heterosexual situation that you are meeting for lunch in a public place you just automatically do that like that just needs to be your rule that it's lunch because there's a time limit so if it's a terrible day great but you have moved off the app and it's not at the end of the day like it's not dinner where well what are you doing after this I guess 100% I can have in sex yeah 100% and it's also like how do I get out of this when does this end well you know when it ends because lunch ends and you have to go to work.

Why is it only heterosexual? Why not? Why not? And you don't typically drink at lunch, typically. That's true, yeah. Why only heterosexual? Why not everything? No, I'm just saying if it's a heterosexual situation,

women need to probably be more careful physically where they put themselves in space and time, leading a total stranger. Men obviously would need to be careful about that same thing. And so that's why when I say in heterosexual dynamics, I just tell men who are heterosexual, just automatically be cool and offer a lunch date. You know what I mean? Like, skip the crap. Yeah. That makes sense. It's, it's, it's fascinating. He came home for Thanksgiving and he was talking. He's a big boy and he walked up. It was late and dark and he had to go to a somewhere across the street somewhere. And so he walked up to a stop light, you know, where you're

pat, what are they? Not passengers. Pedestrians are walking. And he kind of came around a corner So it sort of felt like he kind of maybe suddenly appeared. And this woman next to him, like, kind of scoots over, starts to have this reaction. Like, do I need to protect myself? And he's like, it sucks so bad for you guys. I'm like, yeah, it freaking does. And he goes, he goes, and I can't say anything like, I'm not going to hurt you. Yeah, I know.

It's even weirder if you say something, right? There's no way to like be like, I'm good. I'm a good person. I promise that I'll fight anyone if they bother. You know, like he can't do anything. He just stepped away. You guys got a picture of this. Abe is my height.

So he's about 6.3, right? 6.4. Something like that. And but, but unlike me, freaking ripped. His weight is on the shoulders, not so much. Yeah. Big old shoulders. He's been lifting.

He's young. You know, he's all that. He's very handsome. He's a good looking kid. But he would intimidate anybody walking around that corner. Yeah, he would. And then he's got like a hat on and it's dark. And I'm like,

You need a, you need a, I don't know, I'm a good guy card. There's nothing you can do, right, other than really truly be a good person. But that recognition is like real. And so just know that, dudes. Just assume that, especially for heterosexual relationships. Other dynamics are going to be maybe different and you might have a sense of that, but just trust me on that one. And then women in particular just, that's just smarter just generally because the internet is the internet, right?

So public place, a lunch. You've moved off the app pretty quick. If people will not move off the app, sometimes they're bots. And sometimes they are on the app for certain reasons. And this is why I have people get off as soon as possible is I think that app changes people. I think it does. I really think it makes them way more cynical. And I know really amazing quality human beings on there.

And I'm telling you, they get on and they get off because they can't stand it. Then they get back on because they feel like there's not. no other choice, then they get off. The lucky thing was if two people like that could get on the same time and meet and then get off the app. That would be ideal. But the really good folks are just not on that app 24-7 for years at a time. So that's why you want someone off the app as soon as possible. And there's lots of other avenues for that. You can give each other your snaps. You don't have to even do phone numbers. But some way to just not that tool, and this is where you get sucked in, you paid for it. So it is playing on all of

of our ancient brain chemistry in ways that make me furious. And so you just have to play a different game for this to be effective. So you get off the app, you go on this lunch date, you see if they're great, they're lame. You do not ghost or be stupid. You act like a freaking grown-up. And you say, yeah, I don't think this is a fit. Thanks. Good luck to you.

Right. If you can't text that, then you go to a therapist right now and work on this. Right? Like that level of being able to say I'm not interested after one date, you should be able to do that. And I'm telling you, the apps also just train people to behave badly. And so I get it. We're all tempted to go a thing. We're all tempted to, oh, I want to make that phone call, right? But it really is problematic. And if you're attempting to create a grown-up relationship, if you're acting on a regular basis, like a teenager who can't handle a phone call, I can't write some words down.

And I don't mean that to be insulting because it is like everyone I talk to who is on the apps. They're all struggling with this. So this is about having some discipline about using a product that could actually really help you. But if you don't use discipline, you're screwed. And a company who would do my philosophy would not make any money. So you're never going to have this app, right? Yeah. No one's going to develop the thing about it.

The psychology of it is interesting because like you said, there's always been matchmaking tools, whether you go way back in time and say, well, that's the barn dance. every Saturday. So come on. Or the lady whose job, full-time job, it is to make... To make matches, exactly. Or my wife, who tends to do that for people. Yeah, exactly.

But, like, there was also... Then it evolved, right? It revolved into, you know, video dating. And then it evolved into these other things. As the technology changes, so did the kinds of things. And early in the internet lifespan, the early aughts, mid-aughts, you know, sites like... I can't remember the names of them all. Like, Match.com, which still exists.

Match. I think Match owns a Tinder. I think. Anyway. Oh, really? Yeah. But they were all basic, you know, just basic profiles. And you go to the website and then, you know, put in your thing and hope to find somebody.

What's insidious now, and I'm not trying to be conspiratorial here. It's just that they have gotten so good at knowing what your, like you said, your ancient chemistry is going to do and how it works and when it'll work and when it won't. And they also know all of us have a very powerful person. computer in our pocket that can do really about anything. And they know the formula and they know the tricks for you to do very simple thumb swipes to get you into a place where that becomes habitual, where it becomes like, oh, what's next, what's next, what's next? It is kind of terrible that we do this to each other because the people in there are just trying to find somebody they just want to have, they're trying to find meaning and love and someone to care

about and all the stuff. It's cruel. And it's cruel that the business model for it to thrive, it requires you to not find somebody. It needs you not to, in large numbers, I mean. Sure, it's fine of one or two. It's like the lottery. The lottery wants everyone to buy lottery tickets, but they only want to give it to one winner. Right. Right? That's the business. But our brains are sometimes so slow to glom on to how far they've taken it that we just don't, we don't know, you know. And so I'm not saying they're all bad. I'm not saying they're this. You can say this Twitter, Facebook, all this stuff fits in this category for me.

They just figured out ways to get us to go in there and go zip, zip, zip, zip, zip. And get FOMO and get feelings of like, oh, I'm not good enough because that person looks better on Instagram than I ever will. You don't know the whole story, but it doesn't matter because it's the only story they're going to give you because if they gave you more, this app wouldn't work. You know, frustrating. It is frustrating. And it is the, the problem, you're not going to win. You can't, you're not going to, you can't undo your, the ancient wiring of your brain. That's not going to happen.

So the only option, if you're going to use any of these tools, is to figure out, you've got to, you've got to hack it for yourself personally. And sometimes for people, that means don't use it at all, right? Like, they really are miserable if they do. And something to point out here. The dopamine is a fairly misunderstood chemical or can be because we think we're getting dopamine and that makes us feel good. No, dopamine is the driving chemical to get you to do something that will make you feel good. So that's the sea apple tree far away.

Dopamine is released in increments, so I'll move myself to get to the tree to get the apple. Then my brain gets the happy bath when I get the apple. Right. I think, and here's what's crazy is the dopamine will come even if the end thing isn't actually a happy bath. So we can still have this driving behavior to have more or to get a thing we don't have because when in the history, let's take go back to food for a second, when in history did we ever need to say from a neurological, biological sense, like no more food?

Never. never until what 150 years ago now we're like oh my gosh how do we have less food we need less less less yeah and we are so we're not we would never have turned down food ever no because our literal survival depended on it exactly exactly right so now we we don't have any systems in place to stop the driving dopamine force so when you look at any of these apps and how they work it's and and the numbers right like look how many retweets or follows or whatever the things are all of those are dopamine delivery little buttons so driving driving driving and what do we really want in the end like you're saying this connective loving relationship a partner all these things that's why i'm

doing this for but you are in a machine that's going to give you pellets to get you to keep driving towards a thing and whether you get to that thing or not is irrelevant in in its addictive nature of that driving force slot machine's a perfect example right those things are wild that we all just agree we should allow them to exist is what we're okay with those things and we're all like fun i mean the whole city of las vegas is built on this premise of driving dopamine to then maybe maybe get a reward right it's that powerful so to understand it's not just the end result that is is my deal it's the actual what am i doing to train my brain to never feel like it gets what it needs or is satisfied So that's why people can scroll forever and then feel like crap is because you've literally

depleted your dopamine system from actually having energy and motivation to do the things that will give you some benefits. So when people say, I just have no energy or no motivation, I have stuff I have to do and I just can't get myself to do it. But you can get yourself to watch an entire season of a show that night. So it's not that you have no motivation. It's that it's been hijacked. by really, really expensive production, right?

If you think of all that went into that to get you to sit there and take that in is just kind of mind-boggling. So it can feel so overwhelming. Like, how am I supposed to win? I can't, right? So this is why I have, you know, and this is why you need a buddy and some support because it's really hard to do this on your own. But going back to the dating thing, like, all right, so you have some rules.

You play the game long enough to have people. text you or message you, then you move it offline, you move it as quick to face to face as you can. And because people will spend forever chatting about nothing. And really, Scott, your point is a really good one. What is your goal? And here's the thing. They have you put it on the app. Why are you here? And people will put, I don't know. Or they'll put like, it's like looking for love, but maybe not. Like there's so many versions of why someone is there. As long does it meet you up with somebody else who goes, I don't know. I know. And the problem is, when I talk to these people and I know the real truth and what they're

really after, none of that stuff actually matches, right? And some are like, I just need myself a seam boosted. You know how many people are on there for that? So many people. Just want to feel wanted. Sure. Sure. And then you're like, okay, I'm matching with this person. No, they're not. And this is what all the ghost things happening. It's because people's stuff is not actually aligning. So we want to get it up further, furthest away from technology as you can to real life if your goal is to really meet someone and start a life with a person, right? So the quicker you can do that, the better. And then you just start from there. Like how did that first thing go? Should we keep talking? Do not, do not add more people. Now go back in time. Let's say,

1989, Scott, you're a senior in high school. Yeah. No, 87. When was it? I don't know. A senior in high school, that would have been 87, yeah. 87, okay, you're a senior in high school. Now, imagine if you're trying to date a girl, right? And then in between talking to her, you had to go run around and talk to seven other girls in the hall outside and tell you went, and then you'd go back and talk to her. What? Right. Think how crazy that is.

It is crazy now that you say it. Yeah, like I haven't thought of that in a long time, but that was the process. That was it. Yeah, you would, you would have, you'd be exhausted and you would, and then you would go, well, this person is funnier or, oh, I like that outfit on that one. Her hair doesn't look good today. Like, you would just, you'd be wild. You are shopping.

And that is actually what the app is, is you're shopping. So it puts all the things I cannot stand together. You could tell I have feelings about dating apps. Yeah. Clearly. By the way, just for the record here, Claire founded, I think. But Match Group is the company I was thinking. of that ownsmatch.com. They started with that,

but they own Tinder, Match, Medic, OKCupid, Hinge, plenty of fish, hour time, and a bunch of other stuff. I don't think they even... And let's be clear. Hinge has done the thing. I even had a moment with Hinge where I saw a commercial where it's like, we want you to get rid of the app. And I was

like, I know you're lying. Liars. Lires. But I want so badly for that to be how good you are. Yeah, we're not running into that movie where advertising, where people are forced to do advertising slogans that are actually genuine. Well, it's like this with Apple. Apple does this thing. They've done it for the last few years

where they introduced a screen time thing to tell you, hey, you spent a lot of time in here and we're letting you know that maybe you want to not be in here so much on this app or whatever app, you know, it clocks it. And on the one hand, I'm like, that's great. I want to know if I'm overdoing it or if I need to, you know, this is good. This is a good tool for me. But I also know that most of us are going to ignore it. We're going to see it. We might even feel guilty about it because then we're back on the app doing our thing. But my question is, is Apple being genuine with it?

I think so. I don't know. They don't make any money. If you're in TikTok more than, you know, like you spent four hours in TikTok today. It's not like Apple makes any more money. So there's no real big benefit to them saying, here's how long you're in TikTok. Don't do that anymore. Wink, wink.

Well, and that's what I'm saying is I think it's a, I think the benefit of it is neutral. The neutral benefit is that they, they first of all know people aren't going to throw their phones away. So they're going to keep selling phones. They know that. They're comfortable enough in that. Does it make them money? No, but it gives them big PR, right? It makes people show, oh, man, Apple really cares about my well-being.

They sold me this device that spawned, you know, app stores and apps and everything. And now Android's in on it. Everybody's in on it. But, well, look, they care about. me spending too much time in here. Like, I'm torn on that because on the one hand, I'm like, yeah, I like that. Nice.

Thank you for that. Appreciate it. On the other hand, I'm like, you know I'm still in here, though. Yeah, but I mean, you could probably set it to cut me off after four hours. But again, there's no benefit. Apple doesn't make any money based on how little or how much time you spend in somebody's app. I mean, unless it's an app that's got micro transactions, but that's a whole, like they're not going to say, well, let's not.

tell them that they're spending a lot of time in Clash of Clans because we're making 12 cents off of every dollar purchase they make. Yeah, but I will say, like, them, them cutting off app's ability to track other, track you while you're doing other things. They're the only ones that give you that option to, I mean, they say,

ask app not to track. It really just means tell enough track. Please don't share my phone. Yeah, it's such a nice way to ask. What's hard is like, it's down the road, we will,

we might be dead, but our grandkids maybe could pull up this episode. episode and go, well, they had a sense of how bad things were, right? Like, I, I feel like that, that happens sometimes. And when you study history, like recently, I read an article about, um, the public transit system in the Twin Cities was like, Europe level awesome in the beginning. Like they were creating these, um, in like the 40s and, you know, whatever. I can't remember the exact dates, but it was just like, oh, we got this whole thing coming. And then no lie. A mob's a crooked lawyer and a greedy businessman got together and literally destroyed like a hostile takeover

of this family-owned company that was doing all these cool advanced stuff and sold those cars for scraps and dismantled the whole system so cars could just take over. And no one probably at the time was just like, man, we're really going to regret all this. But everyone regrets it now, right, because we can see it. And I think there is a version of one day, we're going to look at the 2000s to 2050 to 2015 and go, oh, that was the cold era. Or I don't know. That was hinged. That was Tinder grinder.

I don't know. We'll have a name for it. Well, I could see that. Because I do think there are consequences. And if you look at the mental health response, I told you this maybe. I don't know. I talked to too many people. but just the stats on adolescent mental health stuff is just mind-boggling.

Like a 58% rise rise in depression among teenagers from 2007 to 2017. That's not even pandemic data, guys. It's just the 10 years where everyone got a cell phone in their hand with social media. That's what happened then. And so I think it really is this neurological situation where you are just, We're all in our own little Vegas. And so the dating version is like absolutely taking our vulnerability and a desire and things we need and want. And it's been gamified for someone else's, someone out, the house is making the money, right?

Oh, yeah. So if you're going to use it, get off it as fast as you can and get picky on in terms of how you're going to spend your time with it. Be really careful and get someone to support you because it's really hard to do. because it is literally built to keep you playing, right? No, no. Oh, you're right. That's a soapbox. I got to get off it.

Get off that soap box that probably you got to go buy new soap now because that's all day. That's how they get you. Crush that box. That's how they get you every time. No, that's great. I would like to hear from others. I'm sure we will about their dating experiences recently. I guarantee this will drum up a bunch of feedback.

So let's hear. And then I have a whole second series. If anyone wants to send me a question about objectification, We need to talk about what our brains do because that's part of what happens in anything in social media and online is things get objectified and anyway, I got a whole thing. So if anyone has an objectification story to kick off, I'd love to hear one. That'd be great. Oh, that sounds like a fun series. Let's do that.

That sounds really good. I've got soapboxes for miles. Yes, more soapboxes. Wendy, always a pleasure. RealSteps.org is not taking a new sign-ups yet, but it's still a thing you can go read about and plan for and check out. So get over there. Realsteps.org. It's always available to you, the listener.

Have a fantastic week and tell your son not to wear hats and dark places by now. Okay, bye. All right. You should meet Abe. Abe's the sweetest kid. He's such a nice kid. Really? But he would, he'll walk into a room and freak out because he's huge.

And in all the buff kind of like he could tear me to pieces kind of way. I could see him just intimidating a room full of people if they don't know him. But once you know him, you're like, oh, my gosh, you're such a softy. He's a, right, he's a teddy bear. Big old teddy bear. All right. We're going to end things here on the show for today. Before we do, though, a quick text from Amber about U-Line, but this U-Line thing, really?

It really, we struck a nerve. We struck a cardboard box nerve with this U-Line stuff. An exposed cardboard nerve. Although, really, nobody's argued with us. It's all been like, oh, yeah, I hate the, I hate the U-Line catalog. Yeah, we don't have anybody arguing for a U-Line. Nobody stepped up and went, It's not all that bad.

They're an amazing company and they do good things. Nobody's done that. But here's what Amber says. Hello, this is for TMS, continuing the U-Line catalog conversation. I run a small event and the owner always orders from U-Line, which means, you guessed it, I get the catalog. I follow the instructions to cancel so they don't keep coming but then. I'm sorry, keep coming, but then, but then.

There's two but thens. But then, but then there's another event the next year. And once again, the owner's order from Euline, and I'm back on the list. Did I mention this all comes to my house? So postal workers know that I'm trying to stop them on this end as well, Amber from Vancouver, Washington. Jeez. It's a lot. It is a lot.

And it sucks because their services is very handy for what it is. It's like, oh, I need to ship these America's Next Top podcast. tumblers. They're this size. And then I also need to have room for a magnet and a lanyard and blah, blah, blah. So I need a box of this exact size. And you go to ULine. It's like, oh, here's exactly the thing. Uline.com. Great. Order, order, order, order. I'm ordering on a website. It should automatically say, hey, we'll send you marketing via the email. We're not going to send you marketing because you didn't order from a catalog and call us and say, I'm looking at page 94

and I want the item that's on about third of the way down the page if I order from online fine send me the marketing things I can unsubscribe from those if I order from the catalog great you see how I'm buying from you keep sending me catalogs because obviously that is how I

purchase it feels like marketing stuck in the 70s like mid 70s it really is yeah yeah why like Sears and Roebuck kind of bullshit what are we doing exactly exactly come on you line so I still don't get the Sears catalog yeah there's no we in you line that oh wow no there is there isn't uh no there is not but there is a lie there is a lie oh shit the big lie oh it's not spelled right but it's still there

there's an end somewhere in the middle of it but there's still a lie oh i heard a thing you'd like heard i put it up on twitter but um let's see if you can do this can you name the highest number between one and a million shit you saw it So 88 is the highest number you can say without an N in it. And some guy on Twitter goes, uh, 888. And I went, Well, you just did it, though. Yeah, but it's not, you got to say 800, which has ends.

I think you have to pronounce it, I think is the deal. You have to say 800 and, is that the other thing is the, yeah. Yeah, it's weird though. Thousand. Yeah. It's kind of a dumb exercise because it's just a freaking letter thing, but I don't know, I liked it. Yeah. It's funny, I need to subscribe to whatever newsletter you're getting.

Fun facts. I was up, I was going to tell Wendy, but I was up too late watching YouTube. I've been obsessed with astrophysics videos, stuff about the size of the universe and what we know and how black holes, our understanding has changed, all this kind of stuff. And sometimes I get hooked on that to the point that I am, it's way too late, and I should not be looking at my screen at 2 o'clock in the morning watching astrophysics content.

but man some cool stuff comes out of there that I get to think about all day and then tell other people about you know didn't we we discovered that um the Carl Sagan uh show Cosmos was back on streaming earlier this year or last year or something I would love to go watch those and uh yeah what uh what was it on because I remember saying oh I want to go back and watch all those um has it got them on uh watch there's the new one obviously with uh Neil degrass Tyson but there was uh I've seen all those um is it there we go cosmos a personal journey oh not sure personal voyage not showing where it's streaming oh that's a bummer it was on something though i remember it being like we talked about it it brought up a whole discussion about carl sagan and stuff but uh because i love that stuff man that was so good so good it was it was presented in a way that was like super easy to understand but not dumb down yeah i agree yeah that's what set it apart Tubi has the Neil deGrasseyson one, so that's all up on there.

That's also very good. Those are really good. Yeah. They're not Sagan level. Sagan's stuff was, in some ways, this stuff just repeated Carl Sagan stuff. Right? Like, it was like, well, okay. But the Carl Sagan stuff was like at a time where we didn't know shit.

It felt like we didn't know anything. Yeah. And it was like mind-blowing. And I loved Carl's. How many billions of stars are there, Carl? Billions and billions? Billions of stars. Billions, billions of stars.

Billions, billion. Billions. Billions of stars. That guy was great. Billions. Billions of stars. Here, I'm going to fly around in my dandelion spaceship. Oh, yeah. Billions of stars. The effects work wasn't that great back then, but.

Oh, my God. The soundtrack, Matuba. Oh, I forgot about that. The opening theme song. Oh, I want to listen to it right now. Let's hear a taste here. I'll pull it up. You found it? Did you find it?

most sound track. Let's see, we're going to go with the old one. Yep, there it is. Let's just get a little taste here, a little tasty of it. Yeah. Is this it right here? No, this is it right there. This is it.

Is it Vangelis? Yeah. I think, no. Hold on. This is in French. I can't read it. Oh, it is Vangelis. Vangelis, which is what I am when I see a custom van.

I get Vangelious. I want one so bad I want one that I can pass down to Van Oh my God, I'm putting that Finding it on iTunes And I'm going to listen to it After Coverville today Which is all about Damien Rice

Hey Claire you know Damien Rice Do you have horrible things to say about Damian Rice? He's not as good as the Android version of Damian Rice The Android version of Damian Rice is much better Anyway, Damien Rice Turning 50 today

Coverville, Twitch.com. coverville at noon That's a little over an hour from now That's right. Fill your soul with music. Get it all done at lunch, you know? That's right. I'll be playing Marvel Snap for hopefully a long time to come But my

Weirwolf by Night deck. I'll bet Bite Dance sells that off to someone else. It'll all be fine. I'm sure. It'll be fine. Core tonight, 5 p.m. You want to get your video game discussion on. That'll be 5 p.m. tonight Your usual Thursday night core episode. So do check that out.

also play retro tomorrow at 2.30 Mountain Time. And tomorrow, if you're a patron, we will continue our watch of what if on Disney Plus for our Friday couch party as we continue down that road. That'll be at 10, right? That'll be a 10. Yeah, we always do 10 a. 10 a. For patrons, everybody else, well, you better sign up. If you signed up right now, you'd have access to it tomorrow.

Yeah, yeah. You wouldn't have to wait. You could join it and watch it with us. also i think at some point i didn't get a chance to do it yesterday um i don't think i'm gonna lift after uh lift bro i don't think i'm gonna lift after coverville today so today let's plan on continuing the build of the uh millennium falcon you're you're doing snap or uh cora at five five p m yep perfect yeah all right that's excellent totally get that in and uh you're that's on you that's youtube right at coverville on youtube yes youtube.com

slash coverville nice also film sack this weekend i forgot what we're watching oh we're watching backdraft oh backdraft that's right the the film uh from acclaimed director ron howard featuring clint howard yeah clint howard turns out gets the cameo in all his brother's projects so watch we watched it last night because i need an extra day now to watch the movie and work on stuff for film sack put myself into this predicament myself and I

sure well done yeah did you like it do you feel like it held up without giving too much away you want me to say yeah I think it I think it holds up beautifully firemen this obviously be a bit much bigger

thing to discuss on on Saturday when we record the show but I feel like firefighting uh looks relatively the same in any decade like it doesn't feel

firefighting doesn't feel dated that's interesting I'm excited to see it 90s firefighting doesn't feel dated I haven't seen it in so long I have very few memories except they have that it's the one place where I remember

that sound effect of fire going yeah whatever I didn't know how to do it it feels like that was the king of that use and then I've heard it a million times since yes exactly that and Billy Baldwin

I remember him being handsome in the 90s but looking looking back and watching this, it's like, maybe it's just because we've gotten so spoiled with how good Alec looks, but Billy's a little, I don't know, a little funny looking. A little funny looking. The little fella, like the little fella in Fargo. Yeah, yeah. All right, so that's going to be great.

Look forward to all of that content and more coming up. And also, starting tomorrow, one Santa per day. I am drawing one Santa. Oh, that's cool. Per day for 25 freeth days. 25 Santas. 25 Santas. This way.

Check out the brilliant brain on Brad here. When I'm done with 25 Santas, it'll be just for the fun and the viewing and the good the times, right? But then next year, I have all that content to make an Advent calendar that I can sell with a little Santas. You know what I'm saying? Nice. There'll be nerdy ones in there, and oh, it's going to be fun. So watch for that.

And then the future year, I'll create a little 3D printed molds and we'll make chocolate Santas shaped like each of those Santas and make a chocolate Advent calendar. Because you'll have a food printer by then. Well, no, we'll just make the molds and we'll... Oh, and then we'll just... Yeah, yeah, yeah. But one day you can... Well, you can already do this. It's just really expensive.

You can already do it. Yeah, yeah. Listen, I don't have room for... I don't have room for another 3D printer in that... I could totally see you having one one day. A food printer? A food 3D printer? I don't know.

It feels like... Like, great. I'm going to make this piece of candy that takes four hours to 3D print. And then it's going to be gone in a second. Like, no, just give me the, just give me, I'll just eat the filament. Nom, num, num, numb, num, no, and it is all candy and, and, and, and, and, and sweet things. That's all they're printing right now. Exactly, yeah, no one's, no one's, no one's, no one's, no one's printing a steak.

Yeah, print a steak or a lasagna or something. That's what I want. There is a, uh, look, if somebody out there wants to buy my, um, my cobra max, my any cubic Cobre Max, massive 3D printer, there's a thing on Kickstarter right now called Chroma And it's a, like, it's basically a replacement printer head for $280 or something that does eight color printing and, um, and has like a, like you basically feed, or no, I guess four color, four different colors of filament. And you can like 3D print stuff really easy with multiple colors to print it and just replace the print head on mine that's got the fan issue. Oh, that's not bad. You're going to save the money and unload a thing.

I like it. Yeah. Brian's got idea. I just don't want to do it myself. Get that dopamine going. Yeah, there's a couple local people I'm going to talk to and say, do you want to buy my 3D printer before I put it up on Facebook marketplace? Mm, do you get those local people.

Get them involved. I don't want to ship this damn thing. No, why would you? And I know these people are tech, brilliant tech minds who are like, oh, I'd love to get in there and put new fans in there and stuff. Sure. We have lots of smart listeners who like to build stuff. We do. We absolutely do.

Speaking of which, lots of smart listeners, lots of smart listeners support us on Patreon. Will you? Well, you should. Patreon.com slash TMS is the place to do it. If you don't like commercials or you want to do these couch parties, you want art in the mail, you want some other cool stuff, pre-show content every day, all those things? Well, it's as simple as signing up today at patreon.com slash TMS.

Everything else is at frogpants.com slash TMS, and we are out of here. Brian, let's play a selection, probably a request, my guess? Sure, a request, maybe a cover? Oh, my gosh, maybe both. You know, if I would have thought about it, I would have played a cover of fairy tale of New York in honor of Shane McGowan, because this one is for early next week. We had a few for the same date, so I'm doing it for, doing it now. Chris says, a decade ago this year, my mother passed away after a battle with cancer.

As kids, we spent a lot of time listening to the moody blues with her as we cooked, cleaned, and cared for each other. I wanted to share our love for the band with a song that I'll never forget hearing her hum along with. signed Chris. Great memory, and I love how music brings people together and people's memories. Like, I don't know what song people will associate with me long after I'm dead.

I'm hoping it's not to become one by the Spice Girls. What I want, what I really, really want. Yeah, it'll be Spice Girls related. It has to be. Spice Girls, exactly. Sure, fine. Fine, whatever.

The Voice is the song he wanted to hear. A cover of the song The Voice by the Moody Blues. The cover I'm going with is a good one. It's one of these bluegrass covers from John Cowan. A Nashville tribute to the Moody Blues is the album that came out in 2004 that features this. John Cowan and a cover of The Voice. That'll do it for us.

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Oh, oh, won't you tell me again tonight Tonight Because out of our own. on the ocean of life, my love, there's so many storms we must rise above. Can you hear the spirit calling as it's carried across the waves? You're already falling.

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