The Morning Stream - TMS 2581: Scuntry

Episode Date: January 11, 2024

The Carter Johnson exotic zoo. 6 dudes in a chapel doing Halo. Choose the Middle You Like. First come, first seat. Squirt Eyes Outta Your Brain. Screametal. Kim had one, but I never looked at it. Southwest Has Concert Seating. Steve, the leopard gecko. My Legs Don't Fit Good, Lt Dan. Doing It In A Church. Nope, not there, no thanks, not next to that guy, nope, no. Miss Rachel, Nothing Like It! Mansplaining IUDs. Lessons In Familial Passive Aggression With Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

TMS is brought to you daily by the support of our patrons at patreon.com slash TMS, like John Thomas, Vicki Kovalu, Kullivu, Kolevoo, and Master Godai. Coming up on TMS, the Carter Johnson Exotic Zoo. Six dudes in a chapel doing Halo. Choose the middle you like. First come, first seat. Squirt eyes out of your brain. Scrametal. Kim had one, but I never looked at it.

Southwest has concert seating. Steve, the leopard gecko. My legs don't fit good, Lieutenant Day. Doing it in a church. Nope, not there, no thanks. Not next to that guy. Nope, no. Miss Rachel, nothing like it.

Man-splaining IUDs. Lessons in familial passive aggression with Wendy and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hi, Alf here. Me and my pal Brian are hosting all your favorite NBC shows this Saturday morning. It's going to be out of this world. At first glance, it looks like something out of Star Trek. The morning stream. Save it for the French.

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to TMS. It's the morning stream for Thursday, January 11th, 2020. I'm Scott Johnson with Brian Hibbitt. Hello. I know how to say your name, unlike a certain. You do. Unlike Leo, who's name.

name, last name shall not be mentioned. Lafert. Ah, I mentioned it. Oops, sorry about that. Lafert. Accidentally slipped out. Darn it. Darn it.

Who, who knew? Yes, go ahead. Who knew? Public service announcement really quick before we get to our top topics. Nope. She's going to talk the whole time. Nope. Small baby. Nope.

That guy is heavy like me and he's leaning over the armrest. Nope. Wow. Anyway. You can pick and choose. But if you like Southwest Airlines, you're flying to TMS, Vegas. Today is the last day to take advantage of their Wow sale. It's not related to World Warcraft, surprisingly enough.

But 40% off fares if you use the code, wow. Oh, interesting. That's just the thing they're doing. countrywide, nationwide? Yeah. Yeah, nationwide. So. Yeah, if you don't, you don't mind the way it works and the whole like kind of cattle method of loading people on a train or a plane. And really, and really, it's more Tina gets to do that.

Like, basically, when we fly, it's an understanding, and probably an unfair one, but Tina is like, no, I'll take the middle seat. You can have either the aisle or the window. Super generous of her. She is a saint. And we know from everything else that she's done, that she's just St. Tina. But I let her pick. So basically, I let her lead.

And she goes down the aisle and says, you know, like looks and sees whose baby already got the window seats and says, nope, nope, nope, not that guy. Nope, not her. Nope, nope. Yeah, because if you're going to be in the sandwich position, you got to make some choices, right? Exactly. Yeah. I get that. So she'll choose a middle that she likes.

And then you're like, all right, cool, I'll take the aisle here then. Or I'll take the window there or whatever. I get it. Right. Claire in our chat room asks, how does this not end up in fights? It's kind of understood. Well, not really understood,

but I pretty much pay for all of our travel flight-wise, with some exceptions. You know, she paid for Tokyo and a couple other trips. But I think it's just kind of an unwritten rule. If you buy the tickets, you get your first choice of seats. I mean, it makes sense, right? That makes sense. That's a thing.

I mean, we have a similar thing, but we don't, we don't, it's just a thing that I always get aisle if I can get it. That's just the thing. And she doesn't care. So she has no, no worries. If she's window grape, she's aisle great, she's middle grade. She doesn't care. But if I can get aisle, I will get aisle almost 100% of the time. And there's a reason.

People always say, well, you want the aisle seat. It's because my legs, I'm a tall freak, and my legs don't fit good. And my knee, even though it's only a little bit, it's only a little reprieve. I get a little bit of knee space. Now, it comes with a caveat. I have to be careful. Because when they bring that drink cart through, bam. If they're coming from the back, you don't know about it.

It's like a little EV. You don't hear it until it's right on you. Yeah. You nail you right in the knee and it sucks. So don't do that. And here's another thing. Southwest doesn't do that anymore. They don't have a drink cart.

They come and they take everybody's order, like they split the cabin up into thirds. Yeah. They take everybody, you know, a different attendant takes everybody's order. And then they just run drinks back and forth. And they never do the drink cart, which I think is really, it helps with people who need to go to the bathroom. Because that really just, that just becomes a big old plug that you are not getting to the aft bathrooms if you are at the back of the plane. But that drink cart is behind you. Yeah.

What if you're sitting next to IBM? yes Bob who has to you know at a moment's notice get the hell up you can't we can do climb over everything I've seen that episode of Seinfeld the lane gets screwed on that deal you know yeah yeah so Bruce Valanch or whoever that was stopped it stopped all the traffic in the middle of the plane she was like ah not Bruce Valanche there's another center square guy it's not Bruce Valanche it's uh right it's uh ah I know you're talking you know who I mean he's kind of flamboyant A flamboyant kind of guy. Yes.

Anyway, whatever. I'll never think of it. And I've never seen, you know, the whole choose your own seat thing, never seen a problem on a flight where somebody, you know, wants a seat or, you know, it's almost every time if you're really nice and you're like, oh, my wife and I, you know, could we sit together? Is there any chance you'd take this other seat so my wife and I can sit together? Almost every time I've seen somebody get up and change seats so that a couple can sit together, never seen a fight. No, that usually is not a problem. Most people are cool. Yeah.

Especially if they're alone already themselves, they don't care where they go. I've moved for people when I was alone on a flight. They were like, hey, can I, my daughter's way back there and I'd really like to keep my honor. Is that okay? And I'm like, hell yeah, let's go. Let's do it. And I even went back to a terrible part of the plane way in the rear with the loud engine and everything. That's fine.

I don't care. Yeah, some guy came up to me and said, I'd really like to sit next to your wife. could I swap seats with you? I'm like, yeah, sure, absolutely. And so we swap seats. Be nice is what we're saying. Yeah. Yeah. Be like us. We're so nice. Look how nice we are. We're incredibly nice. You know what people like is people that, that tell other people how nice they are. They love that about us. They love it. Oh, people, yeah. Those are the nicest people are the ones who have to tell you how nice they are. How nice they are or how good looking they are or how smart they are, you know. Always someone to trust and believe. even. Well, anyway, that is good news. Wow is the code if you're trying to save a little bit of money. And that is good. 40%. Geez, that's like a, that's like a steam winter sale. Get on it. Get on it. If you're, uh, if you're doing things. We, um, I booked my flight, uh, last night. So, Tina and I decided we're going to come to TMS Vegas this year. Oh, oh, good. I was hoping you guys are coming. Yeah, looking forward to seeing people this year. So now you're tempting me to go. You should, you should go. You should go. You should go.

You know what? You know what? I'm doing it. I'm saying it. I'm telling you right now. Awesome. I'm loading up the car. I'm going to come participate in the event this year.

This is good news. All right. Let's dive into some stuff. My sister will be here later. We got a weird one. So hang on for that. But to get things going, we've got a couple of follow-ups. Jeff Seyer's always a guy to hear us and then immediately want to correct us or tell us something or whatever.

He is, yes. Love his feedback. Never, never ever stop, Jeff. He's one of our favorite people in the world. Please continue to be yourself. Jeff Seyer wrote in. He'd come to TMS Vegas, by the way. He was there last year.

Yeah, he was there last year. Oh, he was there last year. Yeah. I was thinking the year before, but it was last year. Look, there's a lot of you. We forget sometimes. It's okay. That's right.

Sorry, Jeff. I say how much I love him and then I can't remember that he was there last year. Well, I will say I didn't get to spend enough time with him. I can say that. Oh, I don't get to spend enough time with anybody. Yeah, I hate that part. Anyway, Jeff says, he wrote in an email form,

says Scott and Brian, And knowing Scott's obsession with weird body facts, oh, you think you know me, do you? He says, here's another one. Your eyes are part of your brain. I think I already knew this, but it's still fun to look at. When your body develops in utero, brain material is squirted out of your brain cavity into your eye sockets and then become your eyes. The parts of your brain are connected to the nerves and are the only thing between your eyeballs and your brain are your optic nerves from the Cleveland Clinic site. here's what they say. Your optic nerve is a direct connection between your eyes and brain.

How your eyes develop also means your retinas are technically part of your central nervous system, brain and spinal cord. Your eyes are one of your brain's windows to the world, unquote. Well, Jeff, I think I knew that, but I didn't know about the squirted in their part. No, I didn't know about, I mean, obviously knew, all right, well, yeah, your eyes are connected to your brain by the optic nerve. Did not know that the, that technically your eyes are part of your brain. That is fascinating. Yeah, I mean, they don't, I guess they develop in the brain, in utero, yeah, quote unquote, squirt out into your eye sockets. Yes, squirt it out. Is that the medical term? Dr. Jerry, could we get a confirmation about the, about your eyes being squirted out of your brain in utero?

Yeah. Also, that is just sounds awful, but. It does. I hear, there's a noise that I hear with, like your eyeballs being caught. But it makes sense. It's like saying, I don't know, your headlights and your windshield are part of your car. Well, of course they are. It's like, you know, you're, there's a direct connection. When I see things happen here, I'm now processing that data. I mean, you know, I knew that they were obviously connected. Right.

But didn't know that they're part of the same organ, basically. They start out part of the same organ. So our favorite Canadian, I shouldn't say that. I have a lot of Canadian friends. One of our favorite Canadians has put us on the right path. Thank you, Jeff. I appreciate it. Then we got one for Brian.

And this is from KCB. Yeah. This is about Screamo, you know, the kind of heavy metal that you and I don't like. Correct. Well, and he's clarifying that, which I appreciate so. Yeah, we appreciate some clarification. He says, Dear Scooter and Bicycle, it grinds my gears a little every time Brian refers to heavy metal with harsh vocals as quote unquote screamo. I know over the years Screamo has become a blanket term for any music with harsh vocals.

The true Screamo is Emo with Screamo. screaming scream plus emo equals screamo. Emo itself is a derivative of punk. Derivative. That's an interesting way of saying it. I'll ask about that in a second. We'll get to that because I do have questions about the entomology of such things. Anyway, I'm not going to threaten to quit listening because of it.

That's just silly. I'm a fan and a patron of everything on the network. And I've been listening to everything, Frog Pan, since discovering the instance in 09. I love you guys. And thanks for all the years of entertainment. I guess this is where I insert the obligatory love the show, though, sincerely, Casey B. Well, let me address the first part of this. He's absolutely right. I do tend to label everything that has those cookie monster vocals with the term scream on.

I shouldn't. There needs to be, I need another term for that because I like heavy metal, but I don't like that. And I need something, I need a little classification. It's like the reality show versus the reality competition show differentiation that I think is important. I need a differentiation for the metal with screaming in it that separates it from the emo. Yeah, I agree. Scream metal? Is that better?

Scrimettle. Scrimel. Scrimel. Scrimel. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how you do it. Like I felt pretty comfortable saying screamo before this email like you. and maybe I over apply it as well.

I just know it when I hear it, and I just don't like it. Yeah, exactly. So you could have somebody going, oh, over the top of anything, any kind of genre, and I'd be like, you know, a country song. How come there are no country songs

with the cookie monster vocals in there? Scuntery, they call it. Scuntery. Oh, my gosh. It feels, God, that feels so close to a dirty word. But it isn't, but it really feels like we're dancing on the edge. of a blade there. I was trying to find

a video real quick of some audio of an example of this and the first five videos are not all metalist screen. It's like a bunch of people telling us what this email is telling us. Sure. Sure. So let me see if I can find this real fast. Probably not in the nice way that KCB tells us.

Probably not. Okay, there's a little kids they say this little kid no scream. Let's see what we get here. Oh. I'm in this thing right now for one time. Let me go. there you go she did it she did it she's got a huge career out of her good love i love it and that maybe i could listen a little bit of that oh i got to tell you a funny story about kids so yesterday

i go upstairs after doing some stuff and uh didn't know it but the the kiddos were here uh taylor was getting a touch up on a tattoo and she was like kim was watching the kids and kim had to go run van to school uh this all happened around the same time time. So she's like, can you just watch Phoebe for a little while? She's going to go down for nap as soon as I get back. I said, no problem. Love it. Don't ever get to spend a lot of time with her alone. Let's do it. I love it. So I'm hanging out with her. We're watching Miss Rachel. Now, any parents of infants will know what this is. Ms. Rachel is a YouTube channel that would destroy your brain, Brian, if you heard it. Really? Oh, my gosh. Okay. It's one of these little

kids love it. Little babies love it. It's a very popular YouTube channel. But it's basically it is lady in Ms. Rachel that is constantly going, can you say red? Oh, good job! Like, it's that kind of tone the whole time. So it's made, oh, wow. It's for little little babies. Little babies, right? Little tiny babies, yes.

Yeah, and they love it. She is absorbed by it, just sits and stares at it. So for the most time, or most part, I'm just sitting there with her, and I'm talking to her, and she's looking at the TV, and she'd look at me and smile, and then if there's a dance or a clap thing from the Miss Rachel thing she'll go start doing it you know and she's kind of talking now and can say words and all

this and i'm like what what's that i'll point of the screen she goes miss rachel she knows what it is that's great it's really cute but anyway yeah like that she's watching that over blipo or some kid unboxing toys or something like that like good for her that it's something that actually seems like it's it's interacting with her and engaging her it is and it's teaching them good stuff like i i tease it i make fun of it but the truth is it's it's based on some pretty sound like tiny tiny baby educational stuff so right i guess i shouldn't disparage blippo because i know matteo and eva liked it for a while and and uh people like blippo it's not is it blipo it's not blipo i might be getting

their name wrong i like that name though if it's blip if it's not blipo we're going to make a new kid show anybody already have the name blipo on youtube darn it oh somebody does dang it blipo dot com Blippy? Blippie. 3402 says blippy. Is it blippy? Okay. Blu-not Blu-y.

Blu-O is the emo version of blippy. Bluey's like more advanced. When you mix Blippy and Emo, you get blipo. Yeah. Boy, cried roll says bluey. No, no, no. Bluey's like a, that's, that's leagues ahead. I like Bluey rules.

Oh, blippy with an eye. There it is right there. Blippy. Okay. But what happens is kids usually grow past it, right? They see it, they like it, and then they move on. Well, she's at that stage, so she's super rocking out. She's only year old.

And anyway, at some point I noticed that she's starting to lean back a little bit of the couch, sinking into it, and her eyes are drooping. I'm like, uh-oh, we're getting, we're getting tired. And Kim's not home yet because it's snow, and I'm like, I don't know when she thinks she's getting home. So I look at her and I go, are you tired? And she goes, he looks at me with these droopy eyes and goes, nine-night. And I go, I go, nine-night, night, time for nine-night? She goes, yeah, nine-night. and I said, you want to go now?

She goes, yes. So I pick her up. I take her in the room where we have a little, we have a crib set up for her just when they're here. And I put her in it and she goes, nine night. I said, nine night. And she goes, binkie.

And I go, all right, here's your binkie. Stuck in her mouth. And she out of the side of her mouth goes, blanket. And I go, oh, yeah, you're blanket. I grabbed the blanket. Put it up next to her face. She hugs up next to it.

And I go, are you good? And she just, like, rolls her eyes like this falls asleep when she was done. It was amazing. man, kids are, I want to sleep like that tonight. Can I do that tonight? No kidding. Oh, my God. I'd love that. Can I just say to Kim, 9-night, binky, blanket, and then just... And you're the best grandpa ever for doing all that, too. Not like somebody wouldn't. Like, nope, can't have your blanket.

No, not at all. She's adorable. I need more time with her like that because it's always, you know, Kim or Taylor or something. Yeah. But I'm, you know, I can caretake when it comes down to it. I can do what I need to do, and it's fun. I used, for the first time last night, this thing that looks like an IUD. Oh, my Lord, look at that thing. This is a, these are the Phillips cocoon sleep headphones. I kickstarted this like two years ago. And they're like earbuds that go, that are flat and deep enough into your ear that when you're laying on your side, I'm a side sleeper, that there's no pressure in my ear for me laying on these things.

things. Yeah. So basically, I have, I did last night, had white noise going on in, a little bit of rain sound for a while. And man, slept really well until I realized I had, I put the size five earbuds on, and I think I need a size four. So I'm putting, I replaced them this morning with the size four. So they fall out if you don't? Or, wait, no, smaller. The five were just a little bit too big. It was hurting my ears after, like I woke up at about two, and they were hurting my years. So I was like, oh, all right, let's go with the size four tonight. So still evolving. But dang, these things are great. Having the white noise works, works great. It really does look like

Mrs. Anderson, your IUD fell out. We're going to refit it. I'm never going to get pregnant again. But that's cool. For a side sleeper, like, and that is so non-intrusive, I wear the CPAP with it. I still have my Spider-Man eye mask with it. Like, my head, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I look like Claude Raines is the invisible man with so much crap on my head with the CPAP and the sleep mask and the ear thing. Yeah, it looks like Johnny Neumonic in there. Exactly, exactly. That's cool. What I need is just like a have it all in one little like a bank robber mask that I could just pull over my face and have it all.

You can just go two weeks and have it go disappear. That's cool. So wait a minute. So this is a thing I can get, I can buy somewhere in it. You can buy it now, yeah, if you go to cocoon.com, I think. K-O-K-O-O-N. Because I'm also a side sleeper. Yeah, they're really, really nice.

Sorry, how you spell it, K-O-K-K-K-O-N. K-O-N. It's an interesting spelling. Oh, my God. They're asking a red freckles saying, what pictures of IUDs have you guys seen? It's really the IUDs that I remember from looking at in, middle school or junior high, when they showed us those weird little

contraptions that were just meant to irritate the hell out of the uterus so that it wouldn't produce or so that, yeah, it was kind of like a coil. It looked like a, let me find one. Let me just find one. Yeah, look one up. To me, to me, it would just, you'd have to, I'd have to just take everyone the word for it about how they're shaped because I have no, I don't think of everyone. Oh, really?

Oh. Yeah. I mean, Kim had one, but I don't remember looking at it. Yeah. Here's the, this is the,

this is like, kind of like the one, uh, that I remember coffee image address. Yeah, just give that to me in Discord there. I'll give it to you in Discord. Probably better.

Yeah, it'll be faster. Uh, oh yeah. Oh. Is that really a, is that a thing? Yeah.

Oh my gosh, dude. All right. Here you go, chat. Look at that thing. Oh, look at these guys. There's a, This does not look like the Phillips cocoon headset that I just showed on screen. All right.

To take a, oh, yeah, look at this. See, you know what, Brian's not smoking crack. Look at this thing. Yeah, I mean, look at that. It is. See, if you showed me this, I would just say, your neon sign is not complete, ma'am. I don't know what's wrong. We haven't finished making your neon sign.

Yeah, that's funky. All right. Yep. I'm convinced that you had the right comparison. Thank you. Thank you very much. I still, if you hadn't told me what these were, I wouldn't know what this is. Oh, yeah, no.

You should have got some old ones and brought them to Vegas and say, Identify these, like up on stage. Oh, you know what? I court just sent me one I have seen. I've seen the little T-shape or thing. It looks like the T-shaped one is the way they currently look, yeah. Right. And then that, well, I don't want to know the details, but that goes up your hooter, right?

all up in your hair. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. And, and, but how do you, whatever, do that in or can, can the person who does it have, do that? Oh, you can put them in yourself. Okay. Sweet. Well, I'll look for it. Because I think you're not supposed to leave them in all the time or no. I don't know, man. This is, uh, sorry, it's been since, since junior high school that I learned about IUDs clearly. Uh, oh, red fraggle says it goes in your cervix. Okay. Well, I don't have one of those, so I don't know. And Claire says you don't put them in yourself.

You do have to have them put in by a doctor. Really? Okay. Oh, okay. Well, I see, we don't know. All right? We don't know. Yeah. See, this is never been with a woman who is using an IUD.

Just the pill. Thank you very much. Just the pill. This is the most dude info you're ever going to get on. It really is. This is worse than when we try and explain LGBTQ issues is us explaining I UDs. Yeah, now let me tell you about the struggle of the black man during the 60s.

Let me tell you all that I know there. Okay, so my question, though, is, you know, it's the, what's the, what's the, that's the one you put in yourself, the, the, the, the, the disc, what is the disc, what is the little cup, the, the, um, the cup, Ray, what is that, was that stupid thing called, uh, uh, the, it's not the sponge. That's what Elaine couldn't get in the, no, not a moon cup. Diaphram. diaphragm is the word, yes. The diaphragm you put in yourself, the IUDs you don't put in yourself. No, no, no.

And then I know how condoms work. Those are pretty self-explanatory. Yeah, very familiar with those. Yes. Hey, look, we know how our own stuff works. Yeah. We know what's up there. Yeah.

Just hard to find the big ones, if you know what I'm saying. You know, the big ones are rare. Well, anyway, there you have that. By the way, can we really, we kind of glossed over. We were going to really quickly address emo being a derivative of Oh, yeah. Is that the case? I didn't know that's where it came from. I feel like it is. I feel like stuff, there's a blanket label of punk these days that I think gets incorrectly applied to a lot of bands. I think Green Day is punk. I think for me, the definition of punk is rock that for the most part, not every song has to do this, but the band has to have a few songs where they are protesting in a way the status quo, protesting.

The Sex Pistols did it. The Ramones did it. You look at a lot of the bands, the punk bands from the 70s. Yeah. Even your 90s pop punk. We're anti-establishment. Even that.

Even right now, Green Day is taking heat for changing, what do they change? On New Year's Day, they changed Redneck Agenda in American Idiot to Mega Agenda. Oh, really? Yeah, pissed off a bunch of mega people. Which is funny because who did they think they were singing about? back in 04? Who did they think they were railing against?

Hmm. Anyway, the point is, yeah. Anyway, that's what I consider punk. People really can define punk any way they want, but for me, grown up with the sex pistols and the Ramones and public, or not public image limited, well, public image

limited to some degree. And what punk is now is everything that I think does include modern punk, Green Day, but also things like Blink 182, some 41, trying to think of other, other, you know, purely, do panic at the disco and, um, panics more, uh, we're going down. What is that? That's Fallout Boy, is are they considered punk? I don't know if Fallout Boy is. Maybe they, they can. I mean, it's hard. That's why it's hard with the modern stuff. To me, you have to have two things.

is one is fight the man and the other is a style of music so you could say the fight the man part is definitely uh part of uh like rage against the machine but they're not a punk band you know what i mean because you got because you got to have a sound too i think for for that to work otherwise you're just you know pop punk is a good description yeah panic is is more alternative um but uh anyway so i think it really depends on your definition of uh of uh of punk but the evolution of emo being kind of that that railing against something whether it's not having the right order they get your name wrong on your mocha at uh starbucks or uh the government is is uh is taking away jobs whatever you're railing against if you're doing it uh with an emo

sound and you're you're the evolution of emo from punk sure yeah emo is that kind of like i always tear at my head is like, listen to me, I don't know, how's it go? I can't think of an example, but it's like a, yeah, no, it really is, yes, exactly. Got like a whiny thing going on? That's fine.

But whatever. Someone in the chat, or Max Strelbot says, genres suck. I think what he means is categorizing sucks. Yeah, you can have weird offshoots. Well, pinch and holeing. I mean, I think categorizing and genisaurus says humans label things. That's how our brains make sense of the world.

What needs to happen is an end to the judgment attached to those labels. Here, here, 100%. We need labels because otherwise when we go to the record store, how are we going to find the jazz albums? Right. If you've got them mixed in with the light rock. Right. Right. How are you going to do it? Also, have you seen Johnny Rodden lately? Look at this link I just sent. No, that's not Johnny Rotten. That's Johnny Rotten today. Yeah. I saw an interview the other day and I went, oh. Oh, no. I worry that he's got he's got, I don't know,

he's just sitting around a lot or something. I don't know what's going on. I mean, you know, well, you know what? Whatever, we all age. Of course we do. We all put on the pounds. I've gained weight, you know.

I don't want to say how much weight I've gained since last year after getting off of Noom. Noom. Really, after watching what I eat, really. It's not Noom or not having Noom. It's, you know, logging what I eat, which I've gone back to. But that might be the wrong outfit for Johnny Rob. Yeah, it's like his pajamas.

They really, just wearing his jammies. It's like causing a moray pattern in my head that, that's a moray. It's funny, though, because you have these rebel, people you consider to be rebel stars of their, when they were coming up or whatever. Yeah. And you always forget that, yeah, these people eventually, like those guys, I was looking at Green Day the other day. These first four singles they released, amazing. Can't wait for the whole album in a couple of weeks. It's going to be great.

But then every time I see them, I'm reminded, oh, right, they're like my age. Yeah. Or like 50 something. And that isn't going to stop. So at what point do we go, I don't know. It's weird how we do this. Because when they're in their youth, it's like, yeah, man, we're never going to die. We're young and we're this and we're that.

And we can do a billion drugs and nobody's going to care. And it's, you know, screw you, man. I'm doing my, whatever. And then eventually they get to be old Johnny Rotten. sitting in his underwear, sitting in his pajamas. You know, that's just life. This is it. It's just shocking.

It's only shocking to me, not the fact that people age, but just that I've only, everything I've ever seen with John Leiden in it, whether it was his Johnny Rotten years with Sykes Pistols or frontman for Public Image Limited or his solo stuff, he's always just been this little wiry-looking dude with a shock of red hair on the top of his head. and that's a look I was not expecting from this is not a love song yeah no I didn't expect it either

I don't know what I expected Do you imagine what Sid Vicious would look like if he was still alive? Oh my gosh Oh my gosh Can you imagine that? I cannot imagine it Yeah or Johnny Ramon

I mean there's like you know Yeah the classics Yeah Well anyway May we all May we all age more like Iggy Pop Oh, I don't know about that though

Well I saw Iggy Pop the other day I'm worried about his spine He's got some spinal Dude, he's like a Frickin' snake that guy Yeah, there's something there with him It's fine

Look, he's still killing it He's out there on stage Just destroying crowds Still being who he is But when I watch him move I worry about him He's just, you know Whatever, we all slow down

Calhoun, Ph.D. is sending us, is this another picture of John Leiden? I don't know. Well, it looks a lot better here from November. So there's a link, I'll give you a link. It's a link to his Instagram where he's talking. Oh, here it is. Yeah, I see it. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, maybe he's doing, maybe he's doing a little better. This thing was from a year ago or last year. Whatever, the pandemic was hard, man. It was hard. I gained a bunch of weight. Yeah, yeah. Lost most of it, but it still gained it. You're doing a great job of getting rid of it.

Me getting there, getting there. It's honestly just been down there. I need to get over this cold so I can get back on the Apple Fitness Plus riding my bike in front of a giant. Lady. A giant lady. Did you ever, do you see that video of the Peloton lady trying to help? Oh, who was it? Oh, um, uh, uh, the freaking Oppenheimer director.

What's wrong? Christopher Nolan. Oh, Christopher Nolan? Yeah, Nolan's got a Peloton lady who is reaming him about why she couldn't understand what was happening in... In Alpenheimer? No, the last one. Oh, and the last one. Tinnitus, or what it was called. Oh, Tennett.

Tenet. Tenitis. And she could not get her head around it, and she just kind of sat there. And, you know, she's doing the spin class. She's going, she goes, yeah, that movie never, I never understood where it didn't disend. It's hilarious. It was great. Oh, that's awesome.

Yeah, it was great. If you get a chance to see that. I need to watch Tenet again. I remember liking it a lot and then hearing a bunch of people's complaints about it and saying, you know, maybe I need to revisit it. But I really liked the really clever premise of it. I liked it fine. I just think I had so much controversy around it in its release about when to do it, how to do it,

pandemic time, this, that, and the other. It was so, that was so prominent in the story of it coming out that it really got in the way for me. So when I did finally see it, it was like free of all that. And I was like, oh, this is, yeah, this is cool. This is Christopher Nolan's shit. This is like, this is like what I love most from him. I like Inception. Yeah.

I mean, Inception's still my favorite thing. I love that. I like Interstellar next. I might like Oppenheimer more. I haven't seen it yet. I don't know. Oh, yeah, you need to, you do need to see Oppenheimer. It's so good.

Yeah. Not twisty, though. No, no middle of the movie. Oh, my gosh, everything is taking place in a third universe. No. No spinning tops. No, no. No slowed down van, diving in the river.

None of that. None of that, unfortunately. Yeah. It's too bad that historical movies have to adhere to historical norms. Well, not if you're Ridley Scott. That's true. Let's attack the pyramids, as if they ever happened. All right, everybody.

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All right. Normally, they're barking and fighting and hissing, but not in this case. A cat saved a dog from a coyote attack. Wow. Yeah. This is a big deal. A video posted on Instagram by the New York Post shows a cat jumping in to save a dog from coyotes. Some would say

coyotes when I was a kid. Coyotes. Some people say coyotes. Was there a roadrunner involved in this at all? There was no roadrunner involved. Okay. All right. But there was a super genius involved. Nice. Good. Excellent.

In the video. In the video video. I put an F in there. The family dog or the family dog is in a yard when it's attacked by two coyotes. A cat Now I want to know, is it coyotes or coyotes? Why can't it be both?

I mean, it can be, but should be? I think coyotes, coyotes is the, is the, is the official name. But it's like calling opossums, possums, right? They're really, oh, possums, but because parts of the country refer to them as possums for so long, they stick the name possum gets approved as. well but uh coyotes i believe is the is the original uh name the og and i'm used to saying coyotes that's what i'm used to yeah so i'm sticking with that take that coyotes yeah you don't say you don't say wily coyote yeah all i hear when i hear coyote i hear it's starting to sound funny even

saying it but i hear like an old 50s serial tv you know raylon giving raylon given saying uh well you know we put them out there so the coyotes would get them yeah it's an old west thing that's that I hear. Well, anyway, Codes from Home says, well, actually opossum and possum are different animals. What? Is that true? Really? I didn't know that. That's news to me. I thought, okay, hold on a second. Oh, it's where they live in different parts of the world. A possums live in North and South America while possums live in Australia and other countries. Crazy. All right. I was hoping possums were from here and O possums were from Ireland. That's what I was really hoping. That's right.

How I think is petio opossum. That's great. Man, everything's coming up Ireland lately. I've been watching a lot of Irish stuff, that Barry Coogge-Gogan kid. It's a weirdo Irishman. Yeah. I've watched a bunch of stuff with Colin Farrell for no reason. I don't even know why I'm doing it, but I am.

I don't know what's going on. Everything's coming up Irish. Everything's coming. So thanks for the clarification. Who was it originally? Universal Cons? No. There we go. Codes from Home was the first person to correct me. So thank you for that. I've learned something new today. I thought opossums and possums were just the same thing.

Same. I had no idea. But there are people who call opossums. In North America, they call opossums possums. Yeah, I think that's why you and I don't know this, because I think a lot of times they get interchanged for no, for incorrectly, apparently. But yeah, I'm sure that's one of those deals where we just don't get it right. It's a little like, uh, I mean, it's like coyotes and coyotes. It's just, it's just a different way of, uh, of, um, a different way to call a different term for the same thing in this country, in North America, a different term for the same thing. Yeah. Although I guess in coyote's case, we're spout, we're pronouncing the same word just two different ways, whereas the other one has an O in it.

Right. Right. Right. No. Yep. Exactly. Well, anyway. in order to uh let's see uh da da da da oh yeah all right so here's what happens in the video in the video family dog in a yard just doing yard yard shit doing you doing dog stuff that they do dog things yeah it's attacked by two coyotes i'm just now i'm gonna switch and say coyotes the rest this time well it was it was actually one coyote and one coyote oh my gosh what one had an australian accent we couldn't figure it out anyway the cat comes in and chases the coyotes off now i'm saying coyotes and i don't even try According to KKTV, the cat was astray that the family takes care of. The dog did suffer some injuries from the coyote's bite, but recovered with stitches and a splint. Which were also applied by the cat. It was amazing. The cat is incredible. I cut that part of the video off, but the cat was like, do we need a tourniquet for this?

No, let's just do a splint. We'll be fine. The cat called the Uber, took him to the hospital. So the cat checked him in. He says, I'm not the family, but, you know, I was there. Put my name on there so you get health insurance. That's what the cat said. And they said, where do you work?

And he says, Meow Wolf. And he said, all right, we'll see you later. That's a terrible joke. Moving on. Very good. It says here, in order to keep your pets safe from coyotes, Colorado Parks and Wildlife suggests keeping pets on leash. I guess this happened in Colorado?

No, I think it happened to New York, but this article was from the Denver Gazette. Oh, okay. I was looking at, I was curious about that, too. And the video came from the New York Post. I don't know where actually the New York Post. shared the video, I couldn't tell where it was originally from, and I didn't go deep into figuring it out. It looks like they're basically just using this as a PSA. This is like, so you've read this far.

Here in Colorado, we recommend you do this. Exactly. Anyway, put them on leash, avoiding known or potential den sites and thick vegetation. Yeah. Watch out for that. Picking up small pets. Yeah, exactly. Picking up small pets, if confronted by a coyote and supervising pets and exercise.

extra caution from dusk through dawn. The famous Tarantino written film, Dusk through Dawn. That's right. I watched Esperado last night. Oh, his role is so stupid in that. That's behind the, he's got the behind the toilet room.

That's that whole scene, right? Yes, yes, exactly. I haven't watched yet, but I've watched this film. I've probably seen this movie 12 times. Have you really? Okay, it's only the second time watching it for me. and so I'm like, it was a long time we'd go seeing it the first time.

I used to love it. Yeah, yeah. I like seeing a thing in this movie that we then see again in use from dusk till dawn. Oh, yeah, right. You'll see what that is if it's not completely apparent. Yeah, to me, I know what you're bringing up.

Also, if I remember right, Danny Trejo's coolest role ever. Yeah, if I remember right. Yeah, the knife wielding, the throwing knife dude, Holy crap. Somehow I want Danny Trejo to be Gambit. Absolute badass in that thing. So good.

And I forgot Buscemi was in it. Oh, I'm looking forward to it. Oh, my God, I know. I'd forgotten two. And he's pretty freaking prominent. Yeah. More than, more than you think. You're going to have like eight gifts just from the opening three minutes alone.

I guarantee it. Yeah. It's going to be great. I can't wait. I'm so excited. Also, there's a very naughty sex scene in it, if I remember right. There is. Yeah. Yeah. Boobies are out and things. Boobies.

Some butts. Salome Hayek and a very brief. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And there's some bums. Some bums in there. There's a lot of bums. They've walked on by one of those spurs. Spurs on bums is what you see. Spurs on bums. One final note, a Hollywood story. That's a more game. I don't want to watch, by the way. No. Don't put money on that game.

here's a final celebrity story for you Lisa Bonnet Some say Bonette and they're both correct Oh really? No, it's kind of like Okay All right, I was going to say really? Really?

Who says that and Is it really correct? Okay. Just a Kiowdy reference, but... Gotcha. Oh, gotcha. Okay. We call that a throwback in the biz. Lisa Bonnet, you remember her from that movie

Where the Shotgun and the deal? No, I remember from the Cosby show and a different world, Scott. That's what I remember her from. Oh, right, right. I forgot about those. Yeah, from my now. The mother of Zoe Kravitz.

Right? Yeah. Yes. One of a Morton Joe's wives, Zoe Kravitz. Right. Right. Anyway, Lisa Bonnet is filed for divorce from Jason Mamoa officially. They've been separated for a while. They had already mentioned that some time ago.

But even though things seem to be flying high for old Mamoa, she's had it with him leaving the toilet. It's a film that critics love in theaters right now, or is it not in theaters anymore after a week or two? I think it did. All right. It made $300 million worldwide. It's not bad. Okay.

It's not bad. They made their money back. But I'm not sure if it had been just the States if it would have done well at all. I think it may have tanked. Hero movies in general aren't getting the best reception. DC movies in particular or not. So hurry up. Come on.

James Gunn. Get that going, buddy. I was thinking about when I was watching the X-Men films. It would be great if we could get James Gunn to come back very briefly to the MCU and do a Star Jammer's film. Because Star Jammers feel like they could use his level of quirkiness that he's able to bring out, that he was able to bring out the Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah, all your oddball comics, he's your guy for that stuff. He's your guy. Yeah.

And I don't know that there's any reason why Marvel couldn't get him back. I mean, he left, I don't know what his contract's like at D.C. now. This is a bigger deal. If he can make movies for both companies, that'd be great. But I wonder if there's some sort of locked-in agreements. No, you can only do movies for us. I know he's super committed to D.C. Yeah, and he's head of it.

He had co-partner with that other guy. They're like head of that division now. So it can't be like the past where he can go, I'm doing a Guardians movie. And then I'm doing a Suicide Squad movie. And then I'm going to come back and do a Guardians movie. I don't think he's allowed to do that anymore. I could be wrong, but who knows. Anyway, they're getting divorced.

Let's see, quote, we have all felt the squeeze of changes of these transformational times. It's my favorite newspaper. The transformational times. Sure, sure. A revolution is unfolding and our family is not an exception. You never know what format it's going to arrive on your doorstep, too, which is great. This is a weird thing to say. She says, a revolution is unfolding, and our family is no exception.

Feeling and growing from the seismic shifts occurring. Do you have to be so freaking weird? Right. Exactly. Just say we're not getting along. We're not getting along right now. A revolution. Maybe unconscious coupling is a little bit better than this than a revolution is unfolding. I've never met, well, I've never met one. But is Ron Howard the only normal person that grew up a child actor and then went on to do other stuff? Are they the only person that talks normal? Because all the rest of them are weird. They're all weird. I mean, you know, there's a, there's a spectrum. You've got Corey Feldman on one end of the spectrum. Yeah, he's the book, he's the bookend way over there.

He is the, yeah, he is the level 10, I think. Yeah, and then Jason Bateman, yeah, Jason Bateman's a great example of the other end of it. Yeah, he's great. We love him. Yeah. And we love, you know, Michael J. Fox, as sad as his current state is, he was always amazing. Like, you're right, there's definitely a range. Yeah.

But some of these people land in a really funky place. Yeah. Well, well, maybe he's. May her shotguns ever miss fire. All right. Right, exactly. Moving on, let's take a break. When we come back from this break, Wendy will be here.

We're going to tackle a little something something here. It's a little interesting, a little different, but we'll see what she makes of it. That's all coming up after this break. Brian, we need music to make the break. What do you got? Yeah. So I've become a really big fan of an artist or a band that performs under the name Karangbin.

I'm sure I'm pronouncing that wrong, but they've got a great. a song called Texas Sun, Cranben. Love putting that on the background while I'm working. Really cool, cool band. K-H-R-U-A-N-G-B-I-N, if you're looking for them. This band actually reminds me a little bit of them. They're more psychedelic soul, Afro-psychedelic soul from the West Coast. The band is called Orgon.

O-R-G-O-N-E. You could rearrange those letters to spell Oregon, but don't. Don't, because you'll find something. totally different. They have a brand new studio album coming out on February 9th, courtesy of Three Palm Records. It's called Camara. And this is the first single from that album. It is called Lies and Games. I hear no one is a perfect tear But inside your head

You still try to pretend I prefer to let the truth suspect So you don't fill my mind With confusion head Everybody needs a chance to be forgiven. Won't you run your lives and gains? Run your lives and games. Oh.

If your words mean nothing to me, I say, don't need no deceit. to come within my frame And I'd rather be a lonely man Than have you turned my pride Into worthless shame Everybody needs a chance to me But you've been all

Want to run your lives again Game Oh no Oh. Oh. Oh. Ooh. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh, oh, oh yeah. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh, yeah. chance to be forgiven but you run your lives and game oh

run your lives and games Lives and gay Just wait until you hear what shoppers are saying about bradley's. I like the prices and the sales. The sale items are very well stocked. I'm a comparative shopper, and that's why I come back here. When you walk into the store, the merchandise hits. you right in the eye. It's so beautiful. It's a nice place to shop. I really like it. It's great.

is called Orgon, O-R-G-O-N-E. The brand-new studio album is coming out February 9th. It's called Chimera. That was the first song, the first single called Lies and Games, featuring Taryn Ector on vocals, some cool psychedelic soul, which I was just in the mood for when I was hearing this and picking it out for the show. I was like, oh, I need more of this in my life.

Was the singer again? What was the name? The person? Oh, the organ, O-R-G-O-N-E? or the one I was talking about called Krung Ben. No, the singer, who sings for this band? You mentioned someone singing. No, I didn't mention the vocalist.

You didn't mention the vocalist, okay. I thought I heard a name that sounded really familiar to me. Oh. And I was going to ask if I should know that music from, or if I should know that name from somewhere else. No, just Krungben was the band I was comparing them to. And that's a good one to check out as well. I'll give you a name.

check out this song right here. Prung Bin, Texas Sun, put it in our Discord after the show. Listen to that. And you'll be like, oh, Brian, this is great.

This is my jam. No, I'm into it. You've yet to steer me wrong, so no concerns here. All right, we're ringing windy. As Daryl used to say, we have the rings of ringage. The question is,

will we have the rings of speakage? I do notice that Discord has finally removed the Christmasy strings and violins and everything from their alert sound. It makes me sad. That's a little sad, isn't it? Yeah.

You want that stuff to be part of your life. I want that stuff. Yeah, I like it. Yeah, yeah. Speaking of Daryl, let's just, while we're waiting for Wendy, I'm going to play a couple old favorites from Daryl. Oh, Miss Daryl.

How about this one? It's like somebody peed in a pineapple. Uh-huh. Yeah. How about this one? Poop. Okay, him saying old poop. Good.

How about this one? Oh, oh, that's tender. Yeah, yeah. You know, Daryl's literally in his 60s now. Think of that. Wow, no kidding. Yeah, he's gotten, you know, he's gotten older. How about this one?

Found a lemon in the ocean and ate it. Hmm. Should never do that. Just a little reminder, PSA. Yeah. If you find a lemon in the ocean, don't eat it. I occasionally reach out to him and just say, hey, you want to come in just for a quickie, you know, just part of the deal? Yeah, yeah.

And he always turns me down or always has something else. I think he doesn't want to get hooked again on the teat, you know? It is a, it's a rush. Yeah, it's a rush, man, it's fun doing this show and, yeah, for sure. Being an occasional TMS guest is a good time, and he doesn't want to get hooked again. I understand. It's an addiction. We don't want to contribute to his problem.

All right, for some reason, no answer from Wendy. Let me see if she has texted me. We can give our own advice. Get a book? Here's a book. Here's a book to read. And put your own mask on before you put on your family's mask and you'll be fun. Take out your own trash, I think she says.

That's right. Exactly. Yep. What else? Do work on yourself? Let's look at 10 other ways of saying the exact same thing. Right. Exactly.

Yes. Look in the mirror before you look at someone else. Right. You know, take a step back and examine your own problems. Yeah, do all these things And you'll be happy And here's a book All right, I'm going to ask her

If she's good and see what's going on Because no, please don't They'll do it, but don't All right, let's get Wendy in here I'll explain the situation to Wendy, don't worry Well, hello Wendy, how are you? Hello, I got a little time blind Oh, no problem

Also, I think you're on that mic You don't like being on the whatever you did Whatever was this last time. It's like your tap the thing you think you're talking into. I love this. Yeah. It's my phone. It just picks it up and goes, you want this? Do you want me?

And I'm like, no, I don't. Some of those features are very convenient, but some apps don't know how to use them right. Like they like to force it. And they should just say, you want to switch to your desktop mic? No, yes, whatever. But they don't do it. Hey, it's our first, first windy segment of 2024. How does it feel?

Yeah. Look at me. be on time for it. It's all right. We just figured you got busy or you had stuff. I don't know. Is it snowing finally or anything? No.

You know, there's one state that can handle all this stuff and it's not anywhere near us. Weird. Nothing. Weird. Yeah, you guys have the infrastructure. You have the snow removal plans, all that. The experience. Yeah, the experience.

We're used to being miserable. Everyone is like a little bit happy and like walking around like, ooh. What is this feeling in January? Yeah. Pretty weird. It's a really weird weather pattern. And I keep checking it because it keeps changing. But if you look at the heat pattern one, it just shows this huge, like, ice dip that starts way up in Alaska, curves down like a, just like a ravine, down to the center of the country and then back up and just barely skirts away from you guys.

I know. Like on purpose. It feels personal. Yeah. It's hard for it not to do for you to. take you a little personally exactly so people in oklahoma they're like we're gonna freeze to death down here we're like you know what we can do we can freeze yeah we got it i feel like there i feel like Canada's having a laugh if i'm honest i feel like they're dorking around with us are you having

a laugh are you guys enjoying what we farted on top of you down there anyway uh it's good to have you here i've we've missed our discussions and uh we need to start the year off right with a little windy business um the thing is the thing i sent you is a little odd and uh I think it's a decent jumping off point for, as I put it in our text, passive aggressive familial issues, which everyone has a little bit. I think it exists in most extended family situations, especially sibling stuff, you know? Although, you know, Wendy and I get along real good,

but there's always rival times or, I don't know, just stuff. You get older, you hope you get away from that stuff. But it's usually when you're a kid where it's maybe the most, basic like, ah, you, you stole my fruit loops. No, I didn't. Mom, my battleship for some reason I thought you were going with that. Right. That works. That totally works. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. They encourage that in that game. But anyway, Wendy, I'm going to just go ahead and read what we got and we'll see what we end up with here. So here's the background. This person sent this this background section. I'll read all their sections. My siblings family, wife, husband,

and high school kids have been fighting with grandparents, the mother and father to me and sibling, grandparents to siblings kids who are my cousins. It's a little confusing. Which doesn't make any sense. No. Could you help me understand? It's confusing. It's niece and nephew or something.

Yeah. It's like my siblings family, which is a wife, husband, and high school kids have been fighting with the grandparents, which includes mother, a father, me, a sibling. And then grandparents to the siblings' kids who are my cousins. I still don't think I would quite understand it. I think they didn't mean that. Neese and nephew. We need a diagram.

Can we get a diagram? Yeah. Can we get one drawn up real quick? Somebody do that? A.I. Is AI good at this? Chat GipT, make me a diagram. Well, anyway, it says, the see, family tree, grandparents, my parents, me, sibling and spouse, siblings, kids, my cousins. Okay, they tried to restate the same thing short,

but it didn't really work. Anyway, I recently got this interesting note, Wendy, what would you make of this, and how would you respond? Here is the email from sibling to me. Oh, no, I get it. Okay, now I see that. Actually, they did give us a diagram that kind of helps.

Oh, there is? Yeah, grandparents. It's just written out. So it's grandparents, me, the sibling, and her spouse, wife and husband, and then the siblings' kids, which would be the emailer's cousins. And they're the ones that are part of the problem, or I guess it's the sibling is the one who sent the email. Oh, okay.

I think the sibling is our main culprit. And the word grandparents is only in there because the siblings' kids consider them to be the grandparents. Otherwise, they would just be my parents. Oh, good it. Okay. And it's a part of the role is here how they're grandparenting. So that's piece of it. That is okay. That is okay. I think Brian, Brian, you cracked the code, dude. You cracked it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. No problem. Puzzle of mine. Done for another week. Thank you. Awesome. Anyway, so he says he changed all the names in this thing to indicate relationship to me. Comments and parentheses are all part of the original email. All right. Here's the actual email. Yeah. And it's signed sibling and spouse. So we can take this as

this person's sibling and the person they're married to. All right? Yeah. I think we've clarified as much as we can. Here we go. Hi, hope you're all doing well. As senior night for activity quickly approaches, that's a word that was replaced to hide whatever. Redacted. Yeah. So to understand this includes some redactions and or

replacements of names with bracketed people. They just didn't want it like they thought the word activity might have given or the actual activity might have given things away. Oh my God. We're making me so confusing. I know. It's all very confusing. But anyway, as senior night for activity quickly approaches, I am unsure of what to do. We would really like you there. The grandparents insist on coming to games, even though sibling has repeatedly asked them not to come. This makes every game extremely

uncomfortable for every member of the family. No one acknowledges them at the games. We know this disagreement. Maybe hard for you to understand because of the way grandparents are presenting the issues. Although we don't want to share all the details, FYI, grandparents, do not know what the issues are. Here is just one screenshot of the abusive things that have been said to the grandparents. Sibling. Where did I go there? Oh, sibling. In response to him, got it. In response to him asking them to stop being mean and hurtful, and this is one of the least mean texts. There have been more than 50 texts, emails, phone calls, and voicemails that follow this pattern. There have been threats made of pursuing the, sorry, pursuing Avery the athlete at college.

This is really amazing. In the future, instead of the bracket and replaced with the redacted words, make up names for your family members that we can follow. So, you know, as Bob and Jessica are the civilly, you know, use fake names. Hopefully their names aren't really Bob and Jessica. To protect the innocent. that whole thing. It's an old idea. I agree with you on that. Anyway, pursuing Avery the athlete at college, although physical violence towards sibling has been only mentioned in the phone calls. So back to the

dilemma. We want you there, but we will not engage in anything with grandparents. Also, less information will be shared about Avery the athlete on senior night because I am worried for his future safety, signed sibling and spouse. Yeah, this would have been better with fake names. All right. So should we really quickly just kind of clarify. basically the the sibling of the person who wrote in doesn't want the grandparents

to come to their kids' sports games. Right. Their children's sports games. Sports games. Yeah, they're sports games. Sports games. Whatever sports game that might be. Yeah, whatever Avery the athlete is really into right now.

Yeah. Right. So, and is actually, they've had some horrible texts going back and forth and even threatened via phone call their own child, who is the athlete who performs at these sports games via phone calls, but not via text. Right. And this doesn't have, we did not get any screen grabs of the text, obviously, because they're trying to, you know, protect all the names and everything. Right. Exactly. Now, at the end of this, he adds this. Is there any chance that the grandparents listen to this show? I mean, it doesn't seem likely to me.

Yeah, who knows. So this person who calls themselves, they call themselves sibling in the middle, finished up this email by saying this. Note, I take threats of violence very seriously and I don't feel anyone is in danger. The abusive image was an instant of name calling. Sibling was accused of lacking courage. Excuse me, knowing both parties, I believe other threats have been figures of speech said in the heat of the moment on both sides.

To me, this seems like a recruitment letter in the guise of an invitation. It mentions they would like us to attend, but we are never actually asked to attend. end. There are no question marks in the whole thing. They are just taking temperature of the situation. Are they fishing, feeling us out? Besides the lack of questions and the lack of details, the email also assumes we are getting information from the grandparents, which sibling and spouse would have no way to know, even though this is true, because we are on good terms with everyone in our life. We know the situation is ongoing in every event, sorry, several events have been relayed to us, but we do not seek out information or discuss it other than

saying we have no insider suggestions we've tried to remain neutral thank you sibling in the middle now i could be wrong windy but this whole thing strikes me as some serious extended family dysfunction yeah not just because of the situation he's relaying but because of how they're all communicating including the way this email is really specifically not communicating is the problem yeah i'm going to change one word you used yeah serious i'm going to take serious out because serious family dysfunction well yeah I don't want to yeah I don't want people to assume

we're going to call this moderate family dysfunction just want to I want to level that we've had some serious family dysfunction on this show so don't want to minimize this but wow there's a way worse versions but you're right it's a lack of communication really there's serious family communication disorder

we could call it that yeah there is no one's speaking in ways I mean the email itself the whole thing, I'm like, I don't know what I'm even looking at. This is confused. I thought, am I tired? Why can't I understand this? Yeah, I thought the same thing.

But I think I get the gist, right? And that is grandparents are having an out with one of their children. Their grandchildren is the way the grandparents are trying to connect. And so they come and they watch the sporting events. And it's awkward. And this family is trying to hold some boundaries here. And grandparents aren't respecting that. It sounds like, who knows if they ever communicated those.

boundaries. It's hard to tell. And then they're asking this sibling to what exactly? What is their need from our emailer? How would you guys phrase that? Oh, my gosh. How do I, how do I bring, either bring these people together to just clear their, clear the air and hash out their issues or leave me out of it? The option two, leave me out of it. And, and, you know, know, let me have my relationship with my sibling and their spouse and my parents, but not have to worry about, you know, who's invited to what and who can talk to whom and that sort of thing. Yeah, this thing is, this, I can tell you, Wendy, this feels like kryptonite to me. I hate this because my inclination is to go, everybody freaking knock it off and say what you mean and say that and it would piss everybody off because it always does.

This has happened in my extended family where I call somebody out on a thing. and everyone else gets quiet, and then a couple of people are behind the scenes going, I'm really glad you said something. Right, but you're not saying, yeah, I'm glad it was not me. Yeah, I'm glad it's not me. So this is one of those situations where I would be like, either get it out or I'm not talking to any of you because this sucks. And this is a waste of time.

And it would have to be that way for me. I don't know that that works here, though, because it sounds like if this person, the sibling in the middle said, all right, everybody in the same room, emergency meeting, let's go. If he did that, I feel like the way this is structured, I feel like he'd be in trouble. It might actually come to blows. Yeah. Exactly. Well, we also have this thing where there's been more than 50 texts, emails, phone calls, and voicemails that follow this pattern. There are also been threats made of pursuing Avery, the athlete at college, although physical violence towards sibling has been only mentioned in phone calls, which those aren't not serious things. We've got

stalking and threat of violence. Those are, you know, we could go to court. You know, like we're in more serious territory there. So I'll give you that for that part, right? But if you think about it's a heightened level. So it isn't just like, you're having a fight with grandma and we don't want to talk to her. So be on our team. There's there's something going on here. And here's where I would start. I would start with our middle sibling in the middle and just find out what they think. Because here's my guess. My guess is you don't get to have lots of your own feelings at all. in this. Like, what you need, want, think is the right thing is probably definitely not first, right? So I would spend some time finding out what it is they actually feel. What are they thinking?

This must be terrible to have your parents in this level of disagreement with your sibling, seeing how your nieces and nephews are affected by that, like the drama. So I just would like to know, what is it like to be this sibling in the middle? And what have you done, not done? And And if they're literally the sibling in the middle, meaning they're a middle child, you know, maybe they've always felt like peacemaking. I mean, notice, we have no problems with anyone in our lives. What do they say? We have no, let's see.

Where they say this? We're on good terms with everyone in our lives. Good turns of everybody in our lives. Yeah, there it is. Yeah, right. Okay. But I am going to make this argument that you're on good terms with everyone in your life because you just listen to what everyone's saying.

and don't ever share your thought or you, I mean, do you have space to do that anyway? So like Scott, you're saying, hey, I'll bring everyone together. Let's discuss this. Probably is like the last thing on this person's life. Yeah, yeah. Because that's not the role. The role is to hear everyone talk bad about the other one and try to keep peace and keep everyone still liking you.

Yeah. Because one thing, now, if I don't know if you've ever had this experience, you're with somebody and they just start ripping on a third person and you're like, Like, oh, I now don't know that you would be so kind with me or not. You know, like you, there should be a question. Yeah. What are you saying about me to the other person when I'm not around? Yeah. Right.

Immediately the first thing I think of as well. Right. And so if you take your parents and we all have mothers, you know, you guys have been there. Oh, yeah. Who have talked to you about another child. Oh, yeah. And it's, well, not you, Brian, maybe. Maybe it's about a cousin.

Yeah. No Sibs. No Sibb. I couldn't write a letter like this. This letter would not be happening. Do you feel kind of glad about that right now? Very much so. I have my wife's siblings.

So I do have that to deal with. Yes, exactly. Yes. Okay. So that idea of, hey, let me work through a problem with you, which is an inappropriate person to work through the problem with. The person to work the problem with is the sibling, not you. Yeah.

But I guarantee grandparents are doing that with this emailer. They're remaining neutral in terms of just maybe listening. It doesn't sound like they're remaining neutral by saying, hey, we're not a part of this. Please stop talking. Yeah. They haven't set any boundaries to protect them. And I'm guessing here, I don't know. Maybe they've tried or they have.

But it also sounds like these kids, Avery, the athletes, going to get stocked at college. Yeah. Because grandparents want. Now, here's the thing. This is like classic marriage counseling, right? if I talk to the siblings and the spouse who wrote the email, they would give me this amazing justification and story and you would go, oh, wow, your parents are terrible. Like, you would buy it 100%.

Because most of us believe our own story and aren't real good at combining the whole situation, right? Yeah. And so you'd buy it. Then you bring in the other partner, or in this case the grandparents, and say what's going on. They're like, they're taking our grandkids away from us. We have done nothing.

I mean, you would also believe them. You have this really sad. For clarification, they're his parents, right? The sibling in the middle's parents are the grandparents in question. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Making sure I have that right. Which is why we needed fake names, dang it. Yeah, right, exactly.

It made things a little easier. Yeah. But that idea of like, you would hear both sides and see the truth for each of those people in that side, but also see their blindness to the bigger picture or to the other person's, side. So I'm telling you, unless you are a trained mediator or a person who does this a lot in some kind of professional context, I wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot pole. And mainly because it has nothing to do with you, they're using you as go-betweens to validate their side. That's very common with human beings, right? Yeah. Right. And so then we throw these kids in there,

And then we have this, when someone is really angry, there were threats of threats, right? This became more violent, more at least verbally and just name-calling, right? And then- Phone anyway, at least. Right. And lacking courage. I don't understand what that was. Yeah.

Lacking courage. I'm sure it was like a situation, oh, you're too much of a chicken shit to let him, let us come to his games or something like that. We got some rumorism happening probably, right? Right, a little bit, yeah. Yeah. And so we have this dynamic of like these grandparents believe they have rights to things that they don't actually have rights to. And that's just hard for a whole generation of people to understand. If you don't automatically get a right to a grandchild because...

No, you do not. No, you do not. And you have to earn that and you have to earn that through the parents because the parents are in the end the ones that get to decide until that kid's. it's an adult, which is why the parents are, grandparents are saying, hey, I'm going to follow Avery the athlete to college. And, wow. Avery the athlete. Kick his butt.

Yeah. Right. Poor Avery the athlete. Also, like, we are modeling some awesome stuff for these kids. Aren't we though? Right. No kidding. Demonstrating some really good adult behavior.

Yeah. That was my very first thought was like, this would be one thing if they were all old and just dealing with each other. Sure. But when there's kids involved, even high school. kids who are still developing and still, you know, deciding what their life's going to be like, this is terrible to do in front of them or around them or because of them. They're going to feel, they feel responsible for when the heats up like this. Like I'll give you, I'll give you a tiny

example of this that is kind of silly and dumb, but back in the long time ago, I was like eight years old and we were in Lake Powell and Wendy, you would have been a baby. So you won't remember this, but you were probably two or something. And mom and aunt Susan and a bunch of of us were in a boat and we're in this boat and we were driving along and I can't remember I spilled something food dropped a sandwich something like that in the boat and Susan kind of got mad and I still remember I don't remember the words but I just remember her being like all upset that I dropped a thing on the boat and mom went off on Susan about don't tell my kid he did something you know like defending me and I remember this the feeling of it so strongly

It's one of my most earliest memories of just complete discord and dysfunction and anger and all of this. And I thought that was my fault for the longest time, that that whole sister rivalry thing, which apparently was way more advanced, had nothing to do with me. I was a catalyst at the moment for Susan going off, but they had had a relationship issue for a long time as sisters. And that entire mess, all of that yelling back and forth, I remember not the words, but the feeling of that event so vividly and it stuck with me my entire life to this day

if it's just such a negative blot in my in my history people don't realize you know it's one thing to like outright abuse a child that's one thing but people don't realize that they're they're doing a version of it when they're just dealing with their own stupidness you know what I'm saying like mom and her not being able to get their relationship together created this vortex that I thought I was responsible for and it took me forever to, but to this day, I still feel kind of bad about it, even though it was nothing. I'm an eight year old. I dropped a thing. It's not a big deal. If you had just not dropped that sandwich, Scott, their relationship would be fun. Right. Exactly. Right. And plus the funny thing is I'm the one that screwed myself because

if it was the sandwich as my memory is, I dropped a bologna sandwich. That's my sandwich. I'm the one out the sandwich. Everyone else is fine. You know there's sand down there and probably some hair. Anyway, that was my first thought. Gross, don't eat that sandwich. Here's the thing. You're totally right, and that is the exact thing that's coming across. So this kid, notice that last sign on senior night, every athlete on senior night, they're going to share less information.

So my guess is it's honoring athletes. Like they have a banquet or something, right? Very common after a sporting year, whatever. You're going to have a big banquet. They're going to talk about each of the seniors. And they have a poster. you know, whatever the things might be to just honor that athlete. So it sounds like, listen, either the sibling and the spouse are just overdramatic,

or these grandparents, they, they believe, you know, pose a real threat to this kid's well-being, right? Right. If you're going to restrict information being shared about your kid, maybe it's like what college is going to, maybe it's some things he's accomplished because it's, I mean, this sounds like, let's just take the parents. of the kids side for just a second. What the, what is happening, right?

What level of intrusion are you pulling off that your family needs to feel like they can't allow a grandchild to be known by you, right? And so for that sense, they've got to hold boundaries. They've got to be careful. They're obviously not inviting the grandparents all these things. They're just showing up. So it must be a community where they get the email, right? um poor school districts can imagine how i know right yeah yeah how you do um my grandparents are not

allowed to see me like what a nightmare yeah um anyway so you have all that going on and what what you're really looking at and and then we'll get to what we're going to have the email or do okay but what you're really looking at is a whole lack of self-awareness on the grandparents part you have um you have a also you know the siblings and the spouse who know who knows what they're doing to mishandle this. It's very possible they are, you know, but it's hard to tell. You don't know. We don't have enough information, but nobody maybe is getting what they need.

Now, there's a version of just like grandparents are stalkers and crazy, okay? That exists. But let's say it's more neutral than that. Then everyone's going, and here's the problem, they're going to the wrong sources to resolve it. And they're going to the neutral party who is not neutral at all. but is carrying the burden. Obviously, you don't write into a show with all of this if this is not a major burden on your life.

No, I can hear it in the email. That's terrible. It's stressful. And you're not even, not even involved just happen to be the central hub between these. Yeah. And my guess is you've always been that. You've always been the huge place and how this all got started. You know, maybe be honest with the role you've always played.

Like what, you know, inadvertently and because you care about these people, right? There's no malice here at all, but what role have you always been playing? So if you're the peacemaker, if I just want everyone to get along, if I just need everyone to like me. And when you are watching everyone hate each other or hate on each other, it is really scary to be vulnerable in a group like that, right? To have your own needs or your own thoughts or even ask everyone to leave you alone. Because you are watching what happened when your sibling asked for space. Right. or some version of that, right?

So lots of messaging that in this dynamic, you're not safe. You're not safe to be you. There's no way to resolve this. And so maybe the sibling in their desperation is reaching out for this guy to handle it in a certain way. I mean, basically the request is like, come, but don't expect things to go well. I'm trying to remember how exactly what he exactly wants from that? We'd really like you to there, even though we know it's going to be extremely uncomfortable for every member of the family. Got it.

Okay. So they're asking for support. They're asking because obviously they're neutral enough. Okay. So the question is, well, let me ask you guys. Let's say you're this person. The request is that you come. Grandparents are going to be there busting in.

It's going to be awkward. Grandparents are going to try to rope you in, collude with you, I'm guessing. Right, of course. Right. They always, somebody, well, and then if they don't. don't then sibling will right sibling and spouse yeah someone's going to get you to sit right trying to exactly yeah yeah yeah so what would you do what would you do i mean that is you know a joke but that is what i try to do i i i would go out of my way to make sure that i hang out with each

set of people equally um i would um sit between them if i if i needed to we don't have you know like I don't have a sibling, but I do have a cousin that we had some problems with, an argument with years ago, and this was on my stepmother, so it's my stepmother's niece and had a situation with her that we had an argument

about, we've kind of put it behind us, she is still holding the grudge to the point where when she's showed up at a restaurant that we were at, we saw her come in, see us sitting at a table at the restaurant, and then turn around and leave the restaurant and go to another restaurant. Jeez.

Because, you know, Tina are so horrible. Yeah. But my stepmom is she really wants the water to be smooth and be, you know, clean between us and says, you know, would you ever consider letting her back in your life? And we basically say, you know, we've tried reaching out to her and that we just, we just, just don't want to keep trying it. She's already snubbed us. We don't feel like continuing to do that.

And we don't have a cousin-sized hole in our life that needs to be filled that we need her, or that we want her back in our life. Well, absolutely, every time we see her at a family function, be gracious and friendly and ask her how she's doing, that sort of thing we care about her. but we don't want the we don't want to be invited to a party that'll have us or what's the phrase I don't want to be part of any club

that wants me as a member kind of thing that's a you know if she doesn't want us to be there we don't want to be or if she doesn't want to be part of our lives we're fine with that we don't want to be we don't want her in our life if it's going to be a problem for her which it clearly is yeah yeah so so maybe no sibling

but we do know what a lot of this like internal familial acrimony is like yeah and let's and well scott i want you to answer and then i'm going to talk about like what actually is going on in people's heads a little bit when when you're in this state of mind when it comes to a family or a friend because i think this can happen definitely with friends as well right yeah so scott what would you do well it's hard because i don't have this with siblings either um everybody just sort of gets along and if i have an issue where i don't like you know, something that's being decided on for, I don't know, a get together or something or for there's some reason why they're, you know, I feel like something has to be said.

I just say it. And people either, you know, then we either adjust or I live with the majority vote. It's fine. Like this, I have no real issues with siblings. But I do run into this stuff with John all the time. Yeah. And despite the fact that he's 94 and should just be in a chair. he still acts like he's not have any opinions anymore yeah he still acts like he's you know 30 and

and everybody should listen to what he has to say um and it's fine but what i do is a lot like a lot like what brian described you know i know that he talked some smack or something behind my back because i didn't agree with something he said or or kim didn't hug him right away at an event or something there's a whole story with that that just was so stupid and um i'm i'm pretty easy going when it comes to like, well, I'm still going to the family thing and I'll still hug him and say John, how you doing? And how's it going? So I just,

it's not that I'm pretending like nothing happened. Right. But he knows. And I know. So, you know, either you're going to, you know, I'm not going to, what I'm not going to do is create situations where there's going to be a clash unless someone forces it, but I'm not going to go to one of these events and have like an agenda

on how I'm going to call him out or something. A battle that makes everybody feel uncomfortable and awkward. word and yeah i don't i don't want any of that but i don't avoid the thing so if it's you know it's christmas wherever then i'm going you know thanksgiving ameses let's go you would go you'd go to celebrate avery the athlete and where would you sit i would sit so i would be and i'm one of the siblings in this or i'm the sibling in the middle in this situation you're the email sibling in the middle you're malcolm in the middle oh i hope his name is not malcolm i would sit close i would sit i would sit in wherever whatever proximity is the right

proximity to celebrate the whole point of Avery, the athlete having senior night. That's it. Like I would go in full, why we actually hear mode, not worry about all the peripheral crap that's still just going to be a problem no matter what we do. I would be like, I do this now. It's, it's like if I go, if I go to one of Van's soccer games, I am 1,000 percent there for Van and do not care if another parent's getting loud or somebody is getting too competitive or a ref makes some mistake and they're losing now do not care i care about if he's grinning if he's having a good time if he wants me to hold his hat i'll do it like i want to be there for the kid with the other kids yeah i just want to be there for the kid that's it and i'm i'm of the personal belief

that that shores up the stuff when he was talking about earlier which is it is up to taylor and dylan how their kids are raised this is their this is their time now so what's what do i get in this deal. I don't get to go, well, I'm, I'm the patriarch of this unit, and I desire, I'm not doing any of that. You'll do what I say, what I decree. Exactly. The best way into the heart of that kid is for me to be there for the kid. That's it. And support him. Right. And me doing that supports his parents, which they like, which means everybody's going to be in a good circle. So, unless I have some crazy motive, let's say I'm the grandparent in this situation. Yeah. Unless, I, you're not doing it for the. grand kid you are doing it for you yeah like if that's the case that's your that's your core issue your parents your parents are kind of effed up because that I understand that it's hard I understand

you want to constantly give advice I understand you want to be the wisdom in the room anytime life has a question and that you think everybody should go oh stop what we're doing let's hear what does the great what does great leader have to say what does the what does the Oracle have to tell us today so that we can live our lives more according to his wisdom F that noise. Like, I'm not doing that. Because, for A, you've got to know your own weaknesses and know that you're fallible. The generational differences are real.

You know, like I got in an argument with, you know, it used to be kind of a cute thing to tell people that dad referred to the Korean kids. Oh, with slang terms. Slang terms. And in our house, we thought, well, that's a term of endearment because he never did it in a mean way. And it all felt fine. It was the outside world that would use those. terms and make everybody uncomfortable. Well, he did it on purpose.

He did it on purpose, exactly. To defuse them, basically or to, yeah, take away their power. Yeah. Try, by the way, explaining the cuteness of that to Gen Z and see how they respond to it. Oh, yeah, no. They can't do it. They don't get it. I do, I do also.

And Nick and B the other night were just like, that's terrible. I'm like, yeah, but you know, my dad, you didn't, it was never a thing that was blah, blah, blah. And so we're having this whole thing. And there is a, there is a point where you just have to go. this was this was me and they don't know your dad no and it was me and it was me in the 90s there's no different with me and my parents and them and their parents and them and their parents all the way back to whenever like this is just what you do so the quicker you can let go of that you just what is

be and nick's kids generation going to think being nick are ridiculous about they're going to more things than i'd care to list but then that might just be me doing my thing right right so they're going to be writing into a podcast to say about you yeah so so literally the i i this is my only advice the best thing you can do is to let yourself go and quit being quick drop this idea that you you know it all or that you are the most important voice in the room because you're not anymore you may have been at one time but you're not now and it's okay you're talking to the grandpa the grandpa it's okay that you don't have that kind of power anymore and it's okay that that's transferred to these others you

brought into the world and it's okay that they're doing that now for their kids it's it's fine and the quicker you admire you embrace that the more you can freak and relax dude like enjoy the kids i'm guessing our listener is laughing right now like how you tell my dad that yeah exactly yeah i realize that works for you you're you're 100% right but there are definitely people who and they react stronger and stronger the closer any of that kind of sort of actual growing up is told to them, right? Like the actual response to generational differences or to anyone who thinks differently is a sign of the work you have either done or not done, your maturity, your willingness to hear somebody else out, not thinking you're the most important. And usually, and actually, I'll just dive into that real quick, what's going on in somebody's head when they have been the center of their own family life and then they're,

less relevant or there's conflict and things start to fall apart is you use the skills you have and there is and this is where the generational divide really shows up right where what skills do you have besides you will do what I say you will cry you I'll give you something to cry about like if you think of what the template really was it is force or silence or it's it's not good communication So then when that fire is lit in your own life, you then have to navigate some really difficult emotional conversations or apologize or, you know, whatever that might be. And that is not in your wheelhouse. Then other people's boundaries get to determine what ends up happening.

So that's that response is just harsher and harsher towards somebody's boundaries, which tells you something. It's not about a relationship. It's about the power or the role that you've always had. you do not have. So they're going to go around it. They're going to threaten. They're going to yell. They're going to do those other things. I mean, that level of maturity is showing through. So what age would you put that at? Probably not a 70-year-old. That would be maturity level of a teenager. Yeah. And so that's hard to see and recognize when that's your parent. It's really hard to see

your parents accurately because it's scary. It's scary to see maybe they are not okay. in any way, right? And so the person setting the boundaries, the sibling and their spouse and the kids, they're setting boundaries for their own sanity, their own safety, their own whatever they're doing it for, I don't know.

And they're running into that conflict. So this Malcolm in the middle is having the unfortunate job that everybody is coming to them to try to manage their feelings about the other without ever working that out directly. Because obviously it's not safe to do that, right? So something, I reread just a little part of what they had written that I think is helpful to know. So listen to this part again.

To me, this seems like a recruitment letter. So that's what they feel like this. I was wondering about that. Yeah, we went past that. But I was wondering about the recruitment, like recruiting them to your side. Yes, in the guise of an invitation. Yeah. Okay.

And it mentions that they would like us to attend, but we are never actually asked to attend. There are no question marks in the whole thing. Are they just taking the temperature of the situation? Are they fishing, feeling us out? So here is where when people are using passive-aggressive communication, you have this incredible option that most of us don't use because we aren't just black and white fingers. We're like reading into it and trying to understand what they really mean, you know. But I want you to get real childlike about this and just see it as black and white, which is, oh, hold on.

Am I invited? Like, just ask. Find out. Am I invited? Would you like us to come? I want to be there for Avery if that's what Avery wants. Yeah, let me know. But I didn't see that in the email. So I wasn't clear. It wasn't clear, right? Just ask him to clarify. So then they can say, oh, you're not invited. Or yes, you're invited. Oh, no, we'd love to have you. Sorry if that didn't come across as such. Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. And really, they're just probably being really careful. It may not be passive aggressive, because here's the thing. You have both sets in your ear. You have mainly grandparents in your ear, is what I'm suspecting. Because listen to the last paragraph.

Besides the lack of questions and the lack of details, the email also assumes we're getting information from the grandparents. Oh, sure. Which they would have no way to know, quote or parentheses, although it is true. Well, guess what? They know. They know. And it might even be the grandparents saying, yeah, we talk to your sibling about this. Right, exactly.

I guarantee that's happening. Yeah. And they agree with us, even though they might. Not, right? 100%. So you got to extract yourself from that equation or you're just going to have to keep doing this, right? You get to choose. Do you want to be an independent actor here or do you want to be the pawn of each of them?

And it sounds like grandparents have more sway over this person than the sibling or have more information maybe. And they're just trying to be neutral. I get that. But there's what's really tough. And I understand right now what I'm saying, you're probably going to recoil and go, no, no, no, no. And that is to set some boundaries with your parents that you will not talk about this other family. So I have done this. It is because it's, first of all, torture for you.

Yeah. Can you even say something like this? Hey, guys, guess what? I had to write an email in and I had to have these two guys who have no qualifications. Help me. Exactly. Exactly. I had to have Beanie in the toaster help me out with my problem. That's how desperate I am.

Yeah. Yeah. And so can you just let me draw this line? Because I'm going to just assume that the reason they haven't done that already is because clearly looks what happens when you set boundaries with grandma and grandpa. Yeah. Yeah. So it's pretty scary. So you got to decide, though. And is this person partnered?

I think they were maybe. Yeah. I think so. Maybe have their own kids or kids coming. or I don't know how this all works for them other than they keep being the neutral on garden terms with everyone. So it means they have enough boundaries, right?

Yeah. Or they have enough, they're just not triggered by some of the same things, right? But extricating yourself from this would be huge. And really, Scott's point is a really good one, which is, what is in the best interest of Vavory? So ask them, hey, was that an invitation? Sorry, I may be misunderstood.

And then when they, oh, yeah, it is an invitation. You're like, great, what time is it? What can I give Vavory? gift, love to support Avery. And then I would do this because this is how I'm passive-aggressive. And actually, I wouldn't even have to try you guys because I am naturally very late. Yeah, no, I like this. This is exactly what I would do, too.

Yeah, I'd show up late. I would show up late and sit in the back row. That's what I would do. Or I would show up so early that I can pick some randos to sit between. That wouldn't allow you to have anybody take your side. Like, right, right, glow on to you. There's ways to do it. That's what I would do physically to be there for Avery, but I would also clarify, be the more, the less passive aggressive, the more assertive, the more honest you are with both parties, the better this is going to be.

Agreed. This is a, man, you're speaking my language. I cannot stand. Can't stand when there's like any of this in between people and nobody wants to say anything. Just freaking say it. And you can do it in a way that, like you just demonstrate. You can do it a nice way. Diplomatic.

Yeah. It doesn't have to be confrontational, but just get it out there and just let the air out of that nasty mattress. You just have to figure out how to separate the buildup of frustration, anger that you've had. You've probably created yourself when you address it so it doesn't come out like a blah. Exactly. Yeah. There is some of that. Because no matter who you're listening to it, and going back to this couple counseling thing, truly, if I sat with one of the spouses and heard every single story,

Guess what I'm going to believe, them. Sure, of course. Right? But then I hear the other side of the exact same story, and I'm like, whoa, that's so different. That's not what they said at all. That is not. And yeah, same story. We're both in the Bahamas on a honeymoon and yeah, but none of the facts are matching in terms of who is fault, blah, blah, blah.

And what that is is immature communication. And it is not healthy. And it is, it needs work. And unless you are a professional who wants to do this. job clearly for free, then step out of it, right? Fire yourself. And so you can do that in a couple different ways and still be keeping the peace. But I think the big one is like, don't put up with crappy communication anymore. Just say, am I invited or not? And then how can I support this kid? Great. And if this person wants to talk to you about mom and dad, you're like, that's a,

that's a subject I don't go down the road. You're welcome. You probably should talk to them about that or you, right, here's a book. Here's an email. Send any. email to these three people. They'll help you. And then grandparents, I know this would be really tough, but that's probably where most of the boundaries need to be set. And it could just be like, I'm sorry, you're in pain. I can't help you with that. I'm sorry. You can just kind of repeat yourself, like a great strategy when someone has this passive aggressive behind your back crap. You just repeat something kind of over and over. You don't do it in an obnoxious way, but just kind of like, I'm sorry that hurt you. And you know, you have it on repeat. And then

you change the subject. There's a lot of skills you can just employ to get out of some of this and not have to maybe have a massive confrontation because it sounds like that's not your mojo, right? You're not going to do that. But, you know, it may be important to stop being where they drop all of this stuff. So I have a particular family member who likes to tell me things about how he disagrees with other people's parenting. And I love to just be like, remind me what it was like when you were a parent. Like I just turn it right back to it in the 70s. Gosh, I wonder, I wonder who that is.

I don't know who I would be talking about. Yeah, I have no idea. But it is so easy to do because everyone really in the end either just wants to complain, wants to be heard, wants to be seen. And so I just do it in a different way. But usually what it does is it shuts the whole thing down because it's not actually what they need. They don't want the grace applied to them as parents.

in the 70 to be applied to the parents of the modern era. So flipping it to, you know, something else or, you know, hey, let me tell you about my kid. Because here's the thing I am worried about. If Malcolm in the middle has children, if Malcolm in the middle has a spouse, their kids are getting ignored. Yeah. I know they are.

Right. Yeah. Or they're so focused on this. Yeah. So you, there are toxic folks. People, they, they are. And I think we're a little too quick. to cut everyone out of our lives.

I think you've got to do some due diligence and some work at it. And most people, without learning their own strategies and setting boundaries and trying some stuff might just jump to the easiest thing. And that's just to be done. But it sounds like this person doesn't have that interest at all, but just needs to protect themselves a little bit better and get people to communicate a little more straightforward. Just them directly. I'm just rooting for Avery, the athlete.

That's all I, at this point, the rest of you, the rest of you can work out all your freaking adult issues. Do it. Definitely work on it. But he's the one that I want to break the chain and get the F away from this behavior and have a great life. Either as an athlete, hey, it doesn't work out. You don't get in the NFL. It's okay. Go have a run of their career. Either way, don't have all this weird bullshit. You see your grandparents and your parents engaged in. Exactly. Yeah. Get out of that cycle. And if you can to our email or I just say, you know, sometimes you just got to say to yourself, yes, no, maybe. I don't know. Can you repeat the question? Yeah. Yeah. Say that again.

in a way that I could understand and I'm not understanding you. All right. You're doing your job too good of listening. So stop listening. Stop listening so hard. Let us know, Malcolm, who we've now called you,

in the middle, and let us know how it goes, what it was like to work with the future Walter White. And we'll, but you can't wait to get some stuff back from it. It's a deep cut. Wendy, this is great.

I'm good. We started the year off right with some, you know, the holidays are over. So now we're just left with grumpy people. We are. I'm telling you. You know, my January influx.

It's real this year. What happened at everyone's Christmases? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it is real. We did talk a little bit about, and I had somebody send a book recommendation, but I'd love an email to riff on too of shadow work,

which actually would really apply to this grandparents. But anybody who's got a question they want to ask about that or whatever would be a fun jumping off point. I think that would be fun to do. But I mean, I'm open to what. whatever, but I also think the shadow is fun to talk about. That one I don't know. The shadow.

I don't know what evil lurks in the hearts of men. Whenever you hear the word shadow, don't you hear Gollum saying shadow? Oh, a little bit. No, actually, I don't. Now that you say it, I do think, I think of the shadow. Precious, yes, but not shadow. He says, shadow. Shadow.

Something in shadow. Right. He does say that. But I think of the, I think it. Like Brian, I think of the... Yeah, you think of Alec Baldwin. With a thing over his mouth. Yeah.

Only the shadow knows. It's garbage. That movie sucks. But... It's so bad. I'll think of Ghalham next time. Wendy, have a... Yeah, that's a better thing to think of.

Have a fantastic week, and we'll do this again next time. Bye now. Bye. Bye. All right, that was... I really wish Wendy would... You know, when she answers the call, I know she's probably got a phone up to her head,

or she's using the thing so she doesn't... look at the phone, doesn't look at the pictures in our discussion, but two pictures of IUDs and then John Leiden, Johnny Rotten, it's just like such a, such a weird taboo category or something. I don't know. Yeah, it must be, if she was looking in there and actually paying attention to that stuff, it would probably be like, what are you guys doing before I come on? Why do you have pictures of IUDs in your chat? I think of that with everyone we bring into the call, because I'm like, what did we just send to each other?

There are some weird things that we've had pictures of in here. Yeah, and some of them have been, unless you explain it, it's a real weird deal. Coral snakes and Revolution hats and. Yeah, get some audio in here. What's the audio of? That's right. Taylor Swift, where she parts of head in here. Oh, yeah, the guy from Brad Roberts.

Brad Roberts. Like, this is a confusing mix in here. It is. And we're all wondering what the heck. All right. That is it for today's program. I'll tell you this, though. we are uh we got stuff coming up we got coverville today at noon all right so watch for that jimmy page

that's right everyone loves take a page out of the jimmy page book great um uh inuit cover of going to california uh going to be played on the show today oh that sounds cool in the inuit language yeah wow i never that'll be at first for me to ever hear that so you can do that live or get the podcast but check it out. Coverville on Twitch.tv.tv slash Coverville today. Core tonight at 4 p.m. That'll be it here at frogpans.tv and pick your poison. You can stream it wherever now. But the podcast will be up shortly after. We've got a bunch to talk about. A few things dropped in the news this week. Plus some big game stuff going on. So come check out our hot show tonight. Core 4 p.m. Mountain Time right here. Patreon couch party tomorrow at 10. We are starting. I don't know if we're doing the whole thing.

Are we cutting that in half or how are we doing the movie? We haven't talked about that. Oh, how long is real genius? Yeah, real genius. We've got to figure out the runtime. Look at it right now. And it is one hour and 48 minutes. I'd say, you know what?

Starting at 10. Yeah. Yeah, let's do it. All right. We're ripping through it. We're ripping through it. Real genius. Bal Kilmer.

Is there any nudity in that? Do we need to worry about that? Nah. Let me look at the parents guy. on IMDB. I mean, it's just in Discord. But if you're, yeah, if you're worried and you're coming in there, just so, you know, well, there may be some stuff.

Some mild sexual references, and a few women are wearing bikinis during a party. Oh, my gosh. By the way, their budget $8 million. Their box office, $13 million. Things were different in 85. Yeah, they were. Anyway, that's coming up. Watch for that.

And also tomorrow. What is intended to be a dramatization? A person is vaporized by a powerful laser. What? All right, forget it. We're not watching it. Forget it. Now, forget it.

Play retro. That's for patrons, by the way. Tomorrow, play retro at 1.30 p.m. tomorrow, me and Dunaway. So, shortly after we finish up a couch party. And then skim at some point between now and then. I don't know when we're doing it, but we are doing one, Kim and I. And I think that's it, everybody. I think that's it.

That's all. She wrote. Almost guess the connection tomorrow morning at 9 a.m. And I'll tell you, folks, four or five guesses, but nobody gotten this week's connection yet. So if you're a Coverville patron and you can become one for just a buck a month, cheap, made that mistake too.

You can potentially win some cool prizes which include a 3D printed Mandalorian, an extra that I have that's already painted in gunmetal silver, and a set of Portal 2 coasters that look like...

Are they orange and blue? No, they're the... So I can't drop a cup in one and have a pop... Oh, look. Look at that. These are actual ceramic. Love it. Coasters that are the portal signs.

Yeah, like the, what's the name of the company? My brain just went dead. Aperture science signs like, warning, this could have a fall. Aperture science. Oh, man. I miss those games. There's supposedly a brand new mod for Portal 2 just came out that's like a full game someone made. A full, basically a Portal 2 expansion.

Yeah. I got to play that. Oh, I think it's free. I think it's just a straight-up mod, yeah. Anyway, that'll do it for us. Thank you all for listening. It's been a real treat today. We're going to get out of here with some music,

and Brian brought it, so you may as well play it. It's been a real hoot. Let's move from Ireland to Iceland, which obviously they're just one letter apart. That's how close they are. Hi there, Scott and Brian. My name is Balder. I am the legally blind guy from Iceland with Nova,

the guide dog. I've written it a couple times before over the years, but I don't expect you remember. Totally remember. Oh my gosh. Hell yeah. Yeah. A name like Balder? Come on. How are you going to forget that? Yeah. Anyway, I'm turning 50 on the 14th of January this year. Oh, my gosh. And I'm wondering if I could get a song request in for my Monday walk with Nova, if possible. But any time during the week is fine. I've always been a massive Beth Gibbons fan and fell in love with her when I heard the dummy album from Portishead when I was young. Love that album. That is trip hop. That is

a genre I can't get enough of. She's an amazing singer, but unfortunately, she is not recorded many covers. Her album Out of Season with Rustin Man, sorry, is also one of my favorite albums of all time. If you find or can play anything sung by Beth Gibbons on the show, Make My Day. If not, I heard recently

the surprisingly good cover of Glory Box by Oscar winner Olivia Coleman. your recorder for the BBC children in need a few years back. And that one would also work if you haven't. If not, just pick something you think would be appropriate. Thank you both and all the contributions to TMS for all the great entertainment over the years. I've been listening since the beginning and we'll continue to listen while you do this great show.

Awesome. Baldur. Nice. Balder. Here's the deal. I've made a decision after yesterday. Anyone 40 and up, they get this. Happy birthday.

Anything younger they get the other one. All right. That's the deal. Fair enough. 40 is the cut off. 40's the cut off. and you're, you know, 50's a big one. So grats for making it this long,

you officially have lived longer than the average lifespan in the 1800s. Nicely done. Ha, well done. Yes, it's something to, something of achievement to patch yourself on the back for. Hey, you know what?

That Olivia Coleman cover of Portishead's glory box is fantastic and so, hell, yes, we're going to play it. This will blow your mind if you haven't heard it because Olivia Coleman is, she's got the right voice for this sort of thing. She's just awesome. There's nothing.

now, I don't think there's anything that Olivia Coleman can't do. I think she's amazing. I didn't know she could sing. That's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's news to me. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, love her. And that, um, that movie she did two years ago where she's on a vacation and sees another family that she kind of becomes obsessed with. I wish I could remember the name of it. It is fantastic and underappreciated. You need to check that movie out. You need find out the name of it and then check that movie out. All right. Here is. From the BBC Children in Need, got it covered album

from 2019. Here's Olivia Coleman covering Portis Heads, GloryBox. I'm so tired of playing. Playing with this bow and arrow Gonna give my heart away Leave it to the other girls to play For I've been a tempteress

Too long Just Give me a reason to love you Give me a reason to love you Give me a reason to be a woman. I just want to be a woman. From this time, unchanged, we're all looking at a different picture

through this new frame of mind. A thousand flowers could move Move over and give us some room Give me a reason to love you Give me a reason to be I just want to be a woman So don't you stop being a man Just take a little look

From outside when you can So a little tend No matter if you cry Give me a reason to love you Give me a reason to be a woman I just want to be a woman I'm so tired of playing playing with this bow and arrow

I'm going to give my heart away leave it to the other girls to play for I've been a tempteress too long You know, Get more at frogpants.com.