The Morning Stream - TMS 2582: Moist Points

Episode Date: January 15, 2024

Pacino Panini. Pasta Decaprio. You're A Fine Grit Mr Ibbott. A buck a teet, cant be beat. You get NO Michelin Stars, NO Scorsese and NO Lieutenant Yar! My Bully takes Apple Pay. Juggernaut Bitch. Ice cream sprinklers. Hard Hump to Jump, Yo. Marmaduke-Looking Morons. 12 Year Old Scott Is Unavailable. Fisherman's Worf in not a Merry Man! I used to sing with a woman who owned a Ponderosa and retired. Lay into it like a boxer. Pseu Pseu Pseudioscience With Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Who are Carrie P, Kelly Mann, and Chuck Gaskill? Well, that's easy. They are just three of our favorite patrons at patreon.com slash TMS. Thanks to them, you get the following episode. Coming up on TMS, Pacino Panini. Pasta DiCaprio. You're a fine grit, Mr. Ibbott. A buck of teet can't be beat.

You get no Michelin stars, no Scorsese, and no Lieutenant Yarr! My bully takes Apple Pay. Juggernaut, bitch. Ice cream, spurt. sprinklers hard hump to jump yo marmaduke looking morons 12 year old scott is unavailable fisherman's wharf is not a merry man i used to sing with a woman who owned a ponderosa and retired lay into it like a boxer sue sue studio science with bobby and more on this episode of the morning stream okay atari let's see your best pitch you're out rose the Atari video computer system is

with 1,300 game variations you play on your own TV set. You can't keep me in here, Atari? Play it. You, Mama Duke, looking moron. The morning stream. That's the bravest thing I've ever seen. vegetable due Good morning, everybody, welcome to TMS.

It is January 15th, 2024. I'm Scott Johnson. That's Brian Abbott. Hello. Can you believe, once again, it's the 15th of a month, in the middle of a month. I don't like how time goes. This one has kind of flown by.

Like, you know, usually I joke, oh, it's the aides of whatever month it is. I can't believe it is already the aides of January. Doesn't make any sense to me. Time is not what I thought it was. And I'm not happy about it. It seems like the more busy things are, the faster it goes. And that's probably normal. I'd like things to slow down just a little bit this year already. Just a little. Just slow your roll, 2024. Just a tiny, tiny bit. Just a smidge. Just a little bit. Yeah. I got a lot going on that I don't like. A lot going on that I do like. And a bunch of stuff. A bunch of stuff. stuff in the middle. I'd like to shift it all to things

I like. And then less of what I don't like. Thank you so much. Yeah, it's lovely to see you all. We had a really fun pre-show thing about Michelin Stars, and I think people will be surprised by it. So just a little note here that if you're not already in our Patreon, get in there, because you get this pre-show stuff, and you get way more content that way. And I just want more people to hear it. And Scorsese.

Michelin Stars and Scorsese, both coming up a lot in the pre-show today. Also, I would eat at a restaurant called Scorsesees. Oh, yeah. Oh, right. You know the steak would be good, right? Yeah, it would. Like, what are the themed items?

You'd have, like, uh, peshi, pesto. That's right. Just ask not to be seated over by, um, the Rayliota table. Yeah, don't go there. Oh, my gosh, don't go there. Yeah. He's not at it anymore. Oh, but, uh, you'd have, what's a De Niro plate that rhymes or something?

Oh, the, uh, let's see. The, uh, uh, let's see. The. You can just call it the pasta de Niro or something like that. Pasta De Niro is pretty good, yeah. Something like that. Be expensive. It would be, it would be in every, all the menus that have at least one pasta de Nero in it,

every, every item, because he's in everything. You'd have to do it the way he casts. Every, exactly. Can I substitute something for the side of pasta de Nero? Nope. Automatically comes with pasta de Niro. Yeah. And then once in a while, all you can get is pasta DiCaprio, but it's,

less overall. And they'll only serve it to women under 23. I like Pacino Panini. Nice one, Max. Pacino Panini. The De Niro Euro is good. The De Niro Euro is pretty good. Oh, shit.

We got to make this happen. Somebody get him on the phone. He seems like he's a chill-do with all his TikToks and whatnot. Seems like he might have some fun there. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Brian, it's a new show. It's a new day.

And we got some things to talk about, including a thing we got from a listener about this cocaine thing about the kid tasting the cocaine when he found a bile of it. Yeah, so a kid found in a jar, cocaine on a playground, and decided to taste it. Like a little psycho. Much discussion came about of why would you find something in a jar on the playground is the first thought to taste it? That's right. So somebody texted this.

They didn't give a name to 801-471062 and said the following. I know several people that when they were eight years old, if they found a job, jar of powder in the playground, they would have bullied some poor kid into tasting it, love the show, though. Yeah, we all knew kids like that, didn't we? Oh, for sure. Yeah. I probably would have been that kid. Or

paid. Some of them would take the money, right? Like, the kid, I always tell, I told the story on the show before about the kid that sucked the pregnant dog's breast. Oh, yeah. It was for, what, five bucks or something? It was a dollar. A dollar, that's right. A freaking dollar, dude. That guy.

Even back in, like, 1980 money. that was too little he accepted a far too small fee for what is that would that be inflation day really still just a buck it's about a dollar still about a dollar yeah he'd do that for a dollar we'd say yeah exactly uh yeah we all knew we all knew kids like that uh I'm afraid I don't know if they know kids like that anymore like today if you're a group eight year olds have we progressed to the point that nobody's going to make poor Billy you know taste the cocaine I hate to say it. We need hear from some eight-year-olds. You know, all the eight-year-olds

who listen to the show please write in. But I, you hear, you still hear about kids getting bullied and the horrible way kids, you know, treat each other sometimes in,

in schools. I worry, I worry to say, no, we probably still don't have bullying, dealt with in lockdown. Even though Melania told us to be best. Oh, that's right. Did everyone do that when she told us? we all know? No, I think it's a problem

that people didn't be best. That's a shame. That's a shame when a national figure says things like, don't do drugs or what was the other things? Give me another one. Just say no. Was your Nancy Reagan deal? Well, that's right. Just say no. And then

rappers and their albums with their warnings, that worked for sure. Oh, sure for Tipper. Yeah, that worked for Tipper Gore. Nobody, like today, it's not it's it's not like it's a badge of honor to have the explicit warning on your album it's not like when you see that you immediately know that you're going to get some cool gangster rap it's not like that didn't backfire completely right no exactly yeah my gosh that thing um all right also follow up on the ponderosa thing speaking of cocaine and bottles uh separate story this is from another anonymous person by the way if you guys want your text to be read on the show with your name if you want me to say your name you need to include them in the text because i don't yeah your numbers just otherwise it just comes from you the same place that those messages we're getting now that say

Hi Melissa, are we still meeting for breakfast tomorrow? Yeah, yeah. With no the number. You're replying? No way. Yeah, I'm not going to answer those things. I got one yesterday saying Hey, it's Bill or Fred or some name. Yeah. Your PayPal account has been

leaked. I'm seeing it all over the internet. Send me a password quick and I can fix this. I'm like, how stupid how stupid R.P? How stupid are scammers? And that must work for some percentage of people or else they wouldn't do it. It's like a low cost entry or a low cost way of scamming people that eventually someone's going to cave and go, oh my goodness. If you send it to a thousand, if you send it to a thousand people and one of

them likes it, then, you know, it probably ends up being worth it for them. Yeah, because it cost like virtually nothing to send it out. Anyway, this is on the Ponderosa Steakhouse thing. It says, Hello, steak and beer. My first job was as a cashier at a ponderosa. One would come in and can just get the buffet or order off the menu. So that confirms that. They had menu items as well as just let's just get the buffet. If they ordered off the menu, a side, usually a baked potato and a salad were included.

They would pay extra to eat off the rest of the buffet. I used to sing with a woman that just sold a ponderosa and retired. Keep up to work and love the show. That last bit's great because it means nothing other than. than weird she sold a ponderosa. I used to sing with a woman that just sold a ponderosa and retired. I guess good money in selling your ponderosa is what she's trying to say there. Oh, I love that, though.

I don't know why that's weird. There's no context. I used to sing with a woman who just sold a ponderosa and retired. Ah, that's an amazing line, amazing sentence. That's great. Yeah. All right. Well, that makes sense.

But yeah, so yeah, it basically tells you that you weren't forced to do the buffet, so you could do a menu if you wanted and uh but then you could also order off the menu and then just pay a little bit more and then go do the buffet along with your meal interesting yeah that is interesting thank you for that follow up i just had one more thought about about the uh cocaine bottle yeah do you think it's possible that today if if an eight-year-old found it today maybe we're not quite there yet but today the kid could venmo the other kid to to taste oh yeah yeah there you you go, exactly, yeah. Or the dog booed back in the day.

Because the kids these days probably don't carry cash. They don't have a dollar in their pocket. No, I used to have, you know, guaranteed cash in my wallet in case I needed to go to a pay phone to call my mom because, you know, some emergency. That's it. And with no pay phones, hardly any pay phones anymore. Actually, I have, there's a pay phone, a block away I could walk to, crazily enough. Does it work? Like it's a functioning.

Yeah. Well, it looks like it works. Yeah. That's so cool now. retro now. Wow. It is totally retro. But other than that, no, why would a kid carry cash? So, yeah, he would have to Zell or Venmo.

I'll Venmo you a dollar to suck that pregnant dog's teeth. I'll do it, but I only have the cash app. Okay. What about Apple Pay? Do you accept Apple Pay? Do you accept Apple Pay? No, I have an Android phone. Okay, well, let's do it. How about just PayPal Direct?

We don't have to pay fees that. way? I'm a little messenger. Doesn't messenger let you do it? I'll suck the dog's boob now. That's weird. That is weird. Weird kids today, because they all do.

I know, well, I have nephews and nieces who carry phones who pay for things using mostly Venmo. They'll go, some stores just accept that straight up. So they'll just go and do Venmo purchases for their candy and their soda pop. Right. Or whatever it is they're into now. I don't know. They're cocaine and their bottle of cocaine. Anyway, so there's that.

I love it. Guys, look, it's Monday. It's half asses time. That's right. We have a job to do here. Yeah, why not lay into it like, you know, a boxer or who else lays into things? You mean lean into it. Oh, lean works as well.

Lay into it's more like... Lay into it. Boy, you're really laid into that. Isn't that somebody punches you, they're laying into you, right? Or do I have that, well? Lay into it. attack someone violently with words or blows. Three use laid into them.

So, like, you would lay into somebody by beating the crap out of them. Okay. So that is, it's more of a physical, uh, violent thing. Lean into it is like, uh, how you get more effectiveness out of what you're doing. Right. Like, uh, right. Like, oh, man, he really, you know, lean into that, uh, that, the sanding job. So you, so it gets smoother.

So that guy really leaned into the Ponderosa, uh, that's right. Versus laying into it, which means he fought it. Right. By the way, oh, so when Brian's on, I can show you guys this, because we talked about it on a film sack. Oh, what did we got here? Oh, here, let me play this thing. Oh, show to me here.

Let me see you. Oh, this is without all the stuff now. Look at that. Yeah, I printed. So this is the Spider-Man-29-9 mask. And if you look like, you can see these little hexagons so clearly how sharp this thing looks. Obviously, I still have the lenses to do, then the frames. And those lenses have those are pose.

for the lenses to fit in and lock in, right? Yeah, exactly. And the lenses are, the way they're printed, you can see through them. They're solid looking, but they're see-through. But yeah, you can see, you know, I did have to print a new top. Oh, but I just have to do a little bit of touch-up paint,

and I don't want to sand because it's all the hexagons. I'll do a little bit of sanding with, like, a really fine grit, just to smooth it out, but fix the hole in my Spider-Man. Look at that. Look, you salvage. You salvaged it. That's right. That's fantastic. Nice work. Let's do this. Hey, everybody. Check that out. That music means only one thing and one thing only.

Brian Dunaway's here. Hi, Brian. How are you? Oh, hi, Scott and Brian. Oh, hi, man. Hello. How are you guys doing on this Monday? Oh, by the way, you're a fine grit. You're a fine grit. You're a fine grit. I was going to say kiss my fine grits, but it was an older reference that none of the kids will get.

Anyway, hey, Brian Dunaway, you're home. Who cares what the kids get? That's right. You're home for the bank holiday, yeah? So you're having a good time. You're chilling. I am, yes, I am at home. I am having a good time and enjoying my robo calls.

Let's see, here you can kiss my butt. Yeah, who you guys? Yeah, you can kiss my butt. Who is it? Tell us who it is. Some random robo calls. Robocall is, I just get, I hate robocalls. Does anybody like robocalls?

Nobody likes robo calls. No, people doing it. I'm lonely. I wish the robocallers would call it me. Yeah, no, don't trust him. Now, that is a perfect use of an AI, an AI answering robocall bot, and they can let them fight it out. Just, just right, exactly. Just like you pick up your phone and almost put it on a thing like a modem like we had in the 80s where,

the head earpiece went in a certain spot so you just basically have like a little device you set your phone on yeah there you go I don't know trying to think of I've ever picked one up I don't think I have I've never gotten I've never gotten one of those calls and then answered it they say they say not to pick them up because it does some kind of I'm like okay yeah it confirms but I mean doesn't every number have somebody attached to it you would think I don't know all of them there's a lot of loose numbers out there but I you know but I I do want to oh loose numbers. I do want to, like, pick it up and go, leave me alone. Leave me alone. Yeah. You don't want to talk to you. Oh, it doesn't have a friend. That's right. And Brian doesn't have a friend. Hey, look at this. Real quick.

I wanted to see, I mentioned it the other day, and so I'm glad you brought this up. I want to call my childhood teenage number that I grew up on and see if anyone answers. All right. So just see, because this might be one of those cases where it's a deadline. Sorry. Sorry. And what are you going to save the answer? Oh, I just wanted to see if my old phone number is still.

Oh, if they answer, I'm hanging up. Is Scott Johnson there? All right, here we go. We're going to put it on speaker. I'd ask for Scott Johnson to his case some kind of weird frequency thing going on, you know? Like. Please try again later. Let's see.

So it's dead. See, that's the thing. There's a lot of numbers in the system that just aren't being used. Hi, is my 12-year-old self there? Can I talk to him, please? Can I talk to him, please? I'm sorry. He's playing on his Intellivision.

He can't come. Anyway, Dunaway, it's time. That's intelligent vision. I know, intelligent vision. I'm sure we'll have more about that to say on Play Retro, coming up at some point this year. But today we're talking about a different kind of contest. Brian here will explain it and tell us who might win things.

Brian's take it away. Post-haste, yes. Welcome to the morning half-asses. A trivia game where I'm actually going to be giving you the answers. I'll give Scott and Brian a category and six possible answers, three of which are correct. And three of them, like the number of Michelin Star restaurants in Salt Lake City, are non-existent, depending on how confident they feel with the category.

You can provide one, two, or three guesses. And if they get any of those guesses wrong, they get zero points for that round. But if they get one right, they get a point. Two right, get some three points. And three right, get some five points. We'll play three rounds. All right. All right.

So we'll play with the moist points, moist points. Moist points. Yeah. Moist points after three rounds. You're throwing me off, Brian. Win's the prize for their contestant. Let's see who our contestants are. Scott, you're playing for Teresa, A.K. Rabbit in Phoenix, Arizona.

Ooh, I like Phoenix, Arizona. Yeah. Cool. I'm in. Nice and toasty warm there. Brian, you're going to be playing for Sean Nagel in Columbus, Ohio. Ohio, my favorite place. Ohio, yes, I do.

Ohio. Ohio. And we'll talk about what those prizes are after we play the game. Let's start with question number one, NBA stars who played their whole career with one team. So I'm going to give you a list of six names, which ones of these played their entire career with one team and one team only? thing I boned up on my MBA. No, I didn't know. I would. I would hope you would. Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, Oscar Robertson, Carl Malone, Reggie Miller, and John Havlicek. I only know post Malone. I know Kobe Bryant.

These other people are just names you made up. The names you've never heard of. Fake names. Yeah. I think I know two of these. Scott has locked in. If I get this wrong, it'll be embarrassing because this is back when I was way into basketball. I pick two names that I've never heard of. The third one I feel good about. Is it Reggie Miller like baseball? No, no.

He's a current coach, or is he still coaching Pacers? I don't remember. Is there more than one Reggie Miller? There might be. There probably is more than one Reggie Miller. All right, both of you locked in. Both of you locked in on two, and both of you locked in, neither of you locked in on the same one. Kobe Bryant played his entire time with the Lakers.

You knew that one. Oh, I thought that was the joke that he, oh. Okay, I don't know nothing. Carl Malone played with the Lakers as well, but also with the Utah Jazz. Oh, shit. John Havlicek only ever played with the Celtics, but Oscar Robertson played with the Royals and the Bucks. So Reggie Miller, his entire time with the Pacers, Reggie, Kobe, and John Havlicek were your three and. Did I get any moist points for that?

You get no moist points. Neither of you have any moist points. All right. Dry points. This is embarrassing, because I should know that Carl Malone one. That annoys me so much. I was sure he was in Utah the entire time. You thought he was jazz the whole time?

I thought he went from LSU. He went from LSU to the jazz, and that was, I thought that was it. I didn't know he played the Lakers, for hell's sakes. How do I not know that? You brought shame on the family, Scott. You brought shame of the family. I'm embarrassed. Let's see if you guys can earn some moist points on this next question, which, as we all know, all the three of us are masters of language.

Let's talk about language. Which of these English words originated in India? Your choices are, Tepir, shampoo, incense, spaghetti, juggernaut, and pariah. Three of those words actually came to us from India. Three of them did not. Oh, this is a tricksy one. I'm sure shampoo is just a made-up bullshit word. I don't know what that is.

What is shampoo? They couldn't find any real poo. shampoo. Let's see. What's this soap we put on our head? It's shampoo. I don't know. All right. I'm doing it. I'm picking too. Friends locked in. Scott's locked in. You guys both locked in on incense. Just right off the bat. Oh, I thought it was incest. Okay. Oh. Incense. No. Shampo is a Hindi word meaning press. Jaggernaut comes to us from India. It's from the Hindu god Jagannoth.

And pariah is, Tamil. It means drummer. I almost did Pariah. I want to say, I want to say thank you to India for giving us the word juggernaut. I love that word.

Yeah. Jaggernaut is usually followed by the word bitch. Yeah. Juggernaut. Comma. Comma, bitch. Yeah. Is there a comma?

It's juggernaut. Juggernaut bitch. Yeah. It's not the juggernaut bitch. That would be a whole different movie. I'm the juggernaut bitch. Oh, okay. That's like, hey, grandma, or no, it's time to eat.

Let's eat grandma or let's eat grandma, or let's eat grandma. Yeah, same thing. Anyway. Hey, grandma, let's eat. No, that's still works. Still works. All right, let's get to number three here. Near and dear to my heart, of course, is Disneyland.

Which of these six places get more annual visitors per year than Disney. And I will tell you that Disneyland, as of the writing of this question, gets, uh, got 16.2 million visitors per year. Your choices are the Louvre, Niagara Falls, the Grand Bazaar in Istanbul, the Great Wall of China, Central Park and Fisherman's Wharf. Three of those get more annual visitors than, uh, Disneyland. Is the fishermen's wharf a real place? Yes, it is.

Yeah, it's a real place. It's in San Francisco. What the hell is that? It's a, it's great. It stinks, though. It smells. I've been there a couple of times It's where you get the best clam chowder

If you like that Can I ask what a wharf is Without getting a smart ass response about clingons It's not a merry man It's a beautiful place for ships and boats And it's a right exactly Is that what wharf means? Wharf means that

Well shipping Basically shipping port kind of places I get what it is I'm asking where the hell the word the word cover They got me all were confused now. Well, you don't spell Warf on. Did you give us that one too? You don't spell Star Trek Wharf.

Oh, Waterfront. No, that's good waterfront. That makes sense. That makes sense. Is that really where it came from? I don't know. I don't think I'm meant to say that, but just put together really quick. Here are your definitions. Number one, appear where ships or boats are tied up and loaded or unloaded.

Two, a shore or riverbank, or three, a platform of timber, stone, or other material to support at a margin of a harbor to navigate a, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm pretty sure it was just some lazy ass. It's like, I'm tired of saying waterfront. It's over there, wharf. Just abbreviate it to wharf. Yeah, listen to this guy. Wharf.

That's the, that's the dictionary. Worf. My favorite thing is when Scott quotes Wikipedia or some online a encyclopedia for me, that's great. I love this. Do you like that? Yeah. In this case, Miriam Webster.

How quickly he's able to pull up Google while he's playing this game. Yeah, it's real hard to type. the word wharf into my tab of a browser and hit enter it. It's real rough. Well, and also if you're cheating, you're doing it very poorly because you're at zero points. You're the worst. You're the worst cheater ever. Let's see if this gets somebody some points here. Brian, you locked in on the Great Wall of China Central Park and Fisherman's Wharf. Scott, you also locked down the Great Wall of China, but also Niagara Falls. Let's see our answers.

Oh, the Great Wall of China. Only. Come on. 10.7 million visitors for year. But there's so many Chinese people. They don't go see their own damn wall. They don't go to their own wall. They don't care. See, that's why we don't need to build a wall in America.

We wouldn't go visit it. That's right. Lonely wall. Yeah. Niagara Falls is the lowest one on the list that's over 12.9, I'm sorry, 16.2 million. 22 million visitors. Yeah, that would be, because it's like a day trip a lot of times, right? For sure.

Instead of like Disney, which is like a three or four day trip. Central Park gets 40. million visitors per year. Grand Bazaar in Istanbul, 91.3 million visitors per year to the Grand Mazar. And nobody to the fisherman's waterfront.

Well, just less than 16.2. Do I have a number? Oh, I do have a number. 8.0 million fishermen's worth. 8.0 million. That's a bullshit number. It's really a round. It's really that round number, huh? I never put round numbers on my taxes for that reason.

The auditor's like, no. Yeah, always round up. 500 even. The Louvre gets 9.3 million per year. Great Well of China, 10.7 million per year. I mean, those are all hefty numbers, but still. They're all hefty numbers. So what this means is we...

No, boys point for both of you. We go to our tie-breaker question. I am going to let Brian give the answer, and Scott will do the over-under. On average, how many tornadoes hit Texas each year? according to the according to Noah all of them all of them

all of them all right to Noah I liked I like to tell us what it was in case we got confused and thought it was just some guy named Noah yeah exactly floods would be N-O-A-H tornadoes are N-O-AA let me pull up my old

Testament Noah said all right Donovan why I answer him how many give me a real answer not all of them how many tornadoes hit Texas each year all of them

uh uh two hundred and two okay 202 is it Texas okay

every year thank you you done all right 22 is uh incorrect Scott it's the correct answer higher or lower than 202 this is a by the way

this is a thing done away like one of my favorite things in the world is if we're playing a phone call or a clip of something. Yeah. Anytime the person in the phone call or clip makes a point that resonates with Dunaway, he's like a hype man in the back. He'll go.

He'll go. Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I like what you have said there. Yes. I like that.

All right. So it's not that answer. I got to decide if it's higher or lower. You have to decide if it's higher or lower. Texas of all places. Yeah. I will tell you. that it gets the most.

Oh, it is the most in the country. Out of all the states. It's the moist. It's the moist tornadoes in the state. All right. I'm going to say, then if that's the case, I'm going to say higher. It's like 400 or something.

The correct answer is just a little bit lower, 155 per year. Yeah. Texas gets the most. Rhode Island, surprisingly, not surprisingly. It gets the fewest number of tornado. It's so small. Wait a minute.

They get less than like... I think it's just a matter of surface area. Like Hawaii. Yeah. I would have thought, well, Hawaii has to have the least, right? But no. I would have thought like Idaho or us or even Colorado or something. I didn't know we somehow get one or two a year or something.

Oh, yeah. We still get a few tornadoes every year. Oh, tornadoes love us down here in the South Carolina. I was like, oh, how's it going? Yeah. And I'm curious, actually, tornadoes per state. Let's see Yeah, is there like a list of a

Uh-huh, yep List is Let me find the Here we go, tornado That says tornado Alley states But that And this thing is

I found You don't want to live in tornado Alley It's kind of like living on the fall You don't want to do it Yeah, we live on a fall The Weather Channel Is a much better link for the weather channel

Um Alaska Zero So I don't know how So, Rhode Island is at zero two. It seems so weird. Windy up there. That's weird. Well, windy, but mountainous.

Mountains break up tornadoes. That's why we don't get hardly any here. Yeah. But Hawaii won. Utah, three. Colorado, 53 on average per year. Yeah, we get our share. Nebraska, 57.

So the flatter of the state, the more than Nados. Yeah. More Nadoes. That's right. So there's a list here. from 1950 until today well, I'm sorry, up through 2022, Utah's

only had a total of 138 tornadoes over that time. So really not too many. It's like an average of one to two a year or something. That's news to me though. I thought we never got them, so there was a famous one downtown in the 90s,

maybe 92, 93 or something that hit buildings like in the city and that was just unheard of. like that doesn't happen is that famous or notorious it's notorious we'll call it that is it infamous or famous famous and mean more people know about it outside the state i doubt they do so yeah well there you go yeah the florida with 66 on average per year south carolina 27 on average per year you guys get your share way more than that you think it's weird to see

like on this map one every week to see um like uh virginia or west virginia you know tucked in there Mama's... With just two, while all the states surrounding it, have way more. It's kind of surprised. It must be the mountains. Must be. Yeah. Yeah.

The damn mountains get you every time. Every time. Well, there you go. So who's our big winner? So congratulations going to Brian's Sean Nagel in Columbus, Ohio. Sean, you're going to get a copy of such art and hot brass. Two games. So we tried to give away last week, and we couldn't.

But don't worry, Teresa, in Phoenix, Arizona, you're going to get a copy of Deceive on Steam. All these courtesy of Wesley, I believe. Yes, Wesley. All winners, right there. Congratulations. You're a winner. Winners. Congratulations to both of you, and thanks for being a part of this.

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A woman in Michigan decided to, oh, congrats to the Lions, by the way. Oh, geez, yeah. No kidding. Good Lord. It's been a while, folks. And the Packers, got to talk about those Packers who were, you know, everybody had them as an under, like a plus seven, right? to beat the Cowboys.

They steamrolled over the Cowboys yesterday. That was the only game I watched. I feel like the Cowboys are just, they're never going to get that glory back, man. Yeah. It's not going to happen. Sorry, Dallas. Nope.

Went next door for some venison chili with the neighbors, the crazy neighbors, and watched the Packer game. And cheered them on with a lovely baked apple pie cider from Angry Orchard. Ooh, you've talked about that before. That sounds, I don't even drinking. That sounds good stuff. Yeah, it's yummy.

Let me ask you this. Sure. So is it chili with venison? Is it gamey? Is it, what's it like? Um, it, a little, a little yamy. The, the, the, the, the human, uh, definitely, you know, counteracts the, the normal gaminess that you get from venison.

Yeah. Um, it was a very hearty, like a very, had a deeper flavor, I think, than a regular beef chili, than regular ground beef chili. I would try it. It sounds great. It was fantastic. Yeah. I had it with, had some chili with, with,

Mrs. Crazy Neighbor says, I don't want to think about the deer that he processed in the garage to make this venison chili. Because he did actually process it himself. He didn't shoot it himself. He processed it for another one of his friends who was a hunter. Brought over to Dave's garage to process it and then gave Dave half the meat for doing it. We did that with a cow once. Have you ever done that? Or you split like a beast with someone?

No, I haven't. You should. It's good. It's the trick is you need a good, a good size freezer to hold all the meat for however long you're going to freeze it. Sure. If you don't have that, it may as well not do it. But even like a quarter cow we did once. In my head, I always picture, well, which quarter?

Was it the hind quarter? Was it the front? It doesn't work like that. Yeah, exactly. There's a big difference on the quarter. It's like, head? Yeah. I don't want just the head, please.

I don't want the head. No, nobody gets the head, I don't think. But we did that once, and it was either half or quarter cow, and that thing lasted us. probably a good year, and the meat was so good. Really? Okay. Because it's not all processed and freaking preserves and all the stuff they do to normal meat for your, for your, like, grocery store kind of meat. And the flavor was insane.

I mean, it was a little more, not gamey, but like, not even oily. I don't know what the word is. Just the flavor is intense. It was really intense. Like the stakes, the steaks were just like, oh, my gosh. but they were great and I would do it again if we had another opportunity

the problem is you got to have somebody who you like to split it with otherwise you don't want a whole cat I can't do a whole cow no it's a lot exactly and the freezer space of an entire cow you're talking about freezer space

but it's bad enough half a cow freezer space it's good thing Claire's not here to yell at us for the cow that we oh of course yes exactly she'll be a

she'll talk about how you can go by a quarter of a vegan horse or something and that's how you should eat I don't know I don't know what she'd do. Anyway, so after receiving this ice cream cone with not enough sprinkles, sprinklers, sprinkles over the weekend. Sprinklers.

A woman in Michigan decided to take matters into her own hands, literally, by screaming at a store clerk and attempting to punch a friend trying to calm her down. So her friend's trying to calm her down, tries to punch her. I got out of hand. The unnamed woman, I think there's probably more going on here than just where's my sprinklers. Sprinklers. I can't stop saying sprinklers It was a traumatic year 2023 on the sprinkler front

Exactly Will somebody please think about the sprinklers Yeah Oh that reminds me Speaking of this The other day Whatever gonna get through the story people Just just deal with it

Yeah just just know that But the other day So what like a day before yesterday I guess It was really cold Windshears Probably in the 15 degree range Somewhere in that range all day nice and cold a little bit of snow but mostly just really frigid the ice on the roads and

all that um normal fine whatever that same night it's even colder at night obviously no sun whatever so it's getting cold and then suddenly at what felt like suddenly at around 2 30 in the morning we hear this insane sound of what sounds like water dripping and at a rate at a high rate I'm like, the hell is that? That's bad. That can't be good. Yeah, and you've got still some PTSD, I'm sure, from the flooding situation. Oh, I don't know if I'll ever get over how that felt.

That was awful. Yeah. So I'm hearing that sound. Kim hears it too. We wake up and we're panicked a little bit because I'm like, that could be, is that pouring into the basement? Is there a pipe busted somewhere? We're freaking out. Turns out it was just the neighbor across the way's rain gutter.

And I said, but that's not right. So I pull up my phone. as I'm heading toward the door to also check it for real. And it says it's 45 degrees outside. Oh. And I was like, hold on a minute. When I went to bed, it was like, it was like 11 degrees when I went to bed. It's suddenly, there's all Fahrenheit Europeans.

I wake up at, I wake up at 230 and it's suddenly 45 degrees and kind of warm, like, for winter standards. And it was literally just snow melting and pouring down this guy's drain. Wow. So it wasn't any problem or anything, but I still could. I don't understand how weather works clearly But something went from like Getting that warm on a day when it's as frigid as it was Then to warm up that much at night

Yeah at 2.30 in the morning It made no sense to me And then the rest of the day yesterday was kind of warm It snowed But wet, you know It was weird Oh that's insane I still don't get it now it's cold again

So it must have been some little warm front It's just shot up from Mexico Just passing through Yeah just passing through Don't mind me I'm just passing through team's not here man anyway her male companion

tried to calm her down but she began to hit him so the lady behind the counter called the police the two eventually left the store but the clerk called the police with a license plate number they already had left the area

before cops arrived though no charges were pressed this article says in New York Magazine.com guys it's not even June this is way too early in the season for this type of heat stroke-induced behavior to take over

jeez this is uh i agree is this yeah no kidding is this from may last year it looks like it might be from may 2015 oh really this came up yesterday as fresh yeah let's see may 28th 2015 oh yeah so this is the hard news that we do here uh we cover we make sure it's timely you know right exactly you know what though uh amazed that we didn't talk about this in 2015 so we're we're really covering our bases on talking about it now because we should have talked about it. Yeah, we're just catching up. Yeah. Yeah. Why this got in my, oh, this came from a listener. I blame them.

Oh, okay. Who is it? I don't even have a name to shame. Oh, we need to find it because we need to blame. Someone sent me this. You jerks. Yeah. Here's a little note that is, I don't know if you're a gamer, you're probably excited about this. Dunaway and I talked about it already, but I think it's interesting. If you're a fan of the old Sega Genesis, a new handheld Sega Genesis is on the way. Hyperkin known for its solid peripherals and retro end series of Nintendo Kart players has announced a new device that will play all your Mega Drive, get used to it, cartridges. That means Genesis cartridges. But in a handheld device, about with a 5-inch screen and a 10-hour battery life. Basically, it's a big old wide load kind of steam deck-looking device.

Yeah, it's like my first thought hearing about this is like, oh, well, it's one of those, you know, like we got those miniature S&ES. miniature playstations and things like that that's what i was expecting this was but no it is a so it's its own screen and everything it's like a game gear that you actually jam genesis cartridges into yeah with a battery life that's actually decent unlike the game gear which went through double a's as fast as i went through water back then yeah but yeah you take your actual cartridges and plug them in here now here's the cool little trick including the stolen one from a blockbuster that they're showing in this photo by the way the the not for reso the sonic not for reese sale yeah yeah i think that so there were two versions of that made this is a fun fun note um two one

version for blockbusters and in hollywood videos like you're absolutely right about that and then they were also the ones that were packed into a certain run of genesis one sales they had the game packed in and they also said not for re-sale they all say not for real resale okay yeah but people would still resell them they would still you know yeah it's still the game but anyway here's the cool thing you can go to amazon and buy for like 50 bucks a cartridge that's got like 900 games in it. Oh, there you go. Okay, that's the way you do it. Yeah, because I still don't. There's no way I have any old Genesis cartridges left over, but if you can get one, that's cool that you can get one that's got the whole deal on there. It's not entirely above board. You can still buy them

on Amazon, but it's not exactly legal. But they're cool. All right, we're going to take a break when we come back. A little science coming your way with Bobby Frankenberger, and that'll be after this break with a song that Brian brought. Yeah, let's ease into the week with some cool acoustic music here. This is a guy named Tyler Ramsey. I'm trying to think who I was thinking of when I heard this. Maybe a little bit of, maybe a little Mumford in the Suns or Lumineers kind of thing. Tyler Ramsey's, his forthcoming album comes out on February 9th.

It's called New Lost Ages, courtesy of soundly music, also big thanks to Emily Ginsberg, what what PR agency? Well, thank you, Emily. I don't have it right here in front of me. Big Hassel. There it is. Big Hassel records.

One of my favorites. Or Big Hassel PR. Have you seen your neighbor lately? Are they running a record company now? Big Hassel, this record label, PR company. Love it. Big thanks to them for sending this.

This is the first single from the album. It's called These Ghosts. Here is Tyler Ramsey. Get out of these goals. Let's them out these goals. Let them all go Nobody here can control

anyone anymore mercy on your soul hanging back on a foreign shore left behind in the engine road hear the engine blow Let them out

Let them move Let them all flow Let them all flow Peace goes These girls These girls Catching me now is the sound But the ringing in my ear cannot be drowned out

Some poisonous years For me to drag around I'd rather put them down Beat in your head It's just a smoke From a finally burned down It longed around the door And there's nothing that's left there

Except for cold And those who've gone cold Let them out Let them flow Let them off Let them all go These girls These girls

These girls The Sega Genesis has blast processing. Super Nintendo doesn't. So what's blast processing do? What if you don't have blast processing? I need a computer. All right. All right.

All right. That's Tyler Ramsey from his upcoming album, New Lost Ages. Comes out about a month from now. That's the first single. It's called These Ghosts. nobody wants to deal with those ghosts those ghosts all right let's see if bobby can enter the fray

and teach us something you know yeah yeah we like science we like learning uh we're not too proud to admit sometimes we don't know everything so when one of you comes in here and tells us something we don't know we're happy to hear it and bobby's one of those guys let me play his little intro do I have it here those guys uh i do have it it's right here

Science. Bob is hungry and the soup looks good. It sure does. Bobby Frankenberger joining us as he does each and every twice a month all the way from South Carolina to tell us about something scientific. Hello, Bobby. How are you? I'm doing well. It's my time of the twice a month.

That's right. It's your time of the twice a month. My time. Although it's been like more than a month since I've been on. I know. You know, December is weird. holidays are left yeah i don't trust holidays to get it right never does but it's nice having you on it's funny our alternate for mondays stephen schlikers in the chat today so we got all the monday we can handle here oh look at that whoa too much monday we could uh yeah we could put you pull you both in and have you tag team yeah it's like perform against each other it's like manic monday you could go slap uh there's too many stars to count in the universe slap hey spider man's coming for a crossover to echo slap slap what science versus science fiction oh oh look at that we could have some fun with that monday thunderdome is what we got here we got to get stephen to come to Vegas this year oh for sure yeah Stephen come to Vegas come out with us it'd be fun

he's come to Vegas in the springtime literally uh hanging out of the plaza there'll be lots of room so bobby spends uh his his waking hours making content for all around science and he brings some of that stuff here on the show bobby What's going on this week in science? Well, it's the beginning of the year, and at the beginning of the year, when New Year's is actually one of my favorite holidays. I love the sort of like the symbolism of renewal and, you know, like reassessing things and kind of doing all that kind of stuff. And every year I kind of try to think, I end up thinking a little bit about how I think about talking to people who are, want to talk to me about pseudoscience and or talk around me about pseudoscience and things that that are not true right that they that they heard on facebook sure flat earth are we talking to something a little more basic than like the flat earther type stuff like more well

so just any of it right and so i thought that this time of year i did this last year and i think maybe the year before, I like to sort of come on and in a public service announcement kind of way, but maybe less preachy, talk about like how can we think about and how can we approach the people in our lives that are talking to us about these kinds of things, that we have this urge to correct maybe, you know, or that we have the urge to argue with people in our lives, people online and just kind of reassess. What's a good way to approach that? You know, so I thought that might be a fun thing to talk about. So, as you might imagine, I wasn't always the paragon of rational scientific thought that I'm sure you think of me today.

Did you used to be like a total conspiracy theorist freak show? I would love that. No, not so much into it. But I mean, I used to have, I used to be a kid who was compelled by the idea that aliens has been building pyramids and. and I used to think ghosts made a lot of sense and all that kind of stuff but it's not that way anymore critical thinking

and scientific skepticism sort of changed my life but when I first got into it it made me kind of obnoxious for a while you know because when you have this like new knowledge and it goes the other way too when you think you have new knowledge

as a in pseudoscience you just want to tell everyone yes right right right and so when i when i've unlocked critical thinking for myself and realizing like oh there's a whole way to look at the world like i wanted to tell everyone why they were wrong um and it wasn't like because i was trying to be a jerk i really did think that oh this makes perfect sense like this is logical way to view the world so all i have to do is explain to people the process and then they will also understand and change their minds. And it just doesn't work that way. So how can we help people when it comes to

pseudoscience? Because I've calmed down a lot since then. You're pretty chill. You're one of the most chill people I know, and I can't even imagine you at a higher level of anything. I was quick to rouse when it came to talking about things that were... Now, I wanted to say that my... I decided to think about, I was thinking about this most recently because I read an article on Ars Technica that was written by Paul Sutter.

So this, a lot of the ideas, a lot of my thinking about this came from that. And it's a great article. You should go check it out. But to start, you have to sort of like define pseudoscience. What is pseudoscience? And it's hard to define pseudoscience. Sure. But Paul Sutter.

And the reason I bring up Paul Sutter is because when I read the article, I liked his definition of pseudoscience, which is, Literally, if you take apart the word pseudoscience, it's false science, right? Sure. But his definition is, he says, quote, pseudoscience is a practice, a mode of investigation that looks like science, but totally misses the point, right? And this is the opposite of pseudo-science, right? Sussu-sidio science. Okay.

All right, just making sure, you know, I don't want to get my... It's the science of a girl that's been on my mind all the time. This is what I love about this. I know enough about the song to say the thing. But Brian knows, he knows so much more about those songs than I do. He knows lyrics in the stanzas and stuff that I'd never pay attention to. I love that, actually. You can always rely on Brian.

You bring it up and then you know he's going to take the ball. I know it. Yeah, he'll take the ball all the way, the rest of the way. Get the touchdown. We win. Whether it's funny or not, it remains to be seen, but at least I can grab that ball and run. Yeah, and it's factual. I love it.

It's good. You might not get a touchdown, but you get some yards. I'll get some yards, exactly. Sure. So pseudoscience, yeah, it often has the tools of science, but it misses the point, right? Like, it's got the, it'll have, it'll use jargon and fancy measuring devices like ghost hunters use. And it'll incorporate math, and maybe they'll have their own publications that they use. So it has all the trappings of science.

But the heart of science is truly the scientific method. But the heart of science isn't the only thing. you need and that's that that I think informs a lot of what I've been thinking about lately

which is the heart of science the scientific method yes that's important but there's also a soul of science sort so to speak which involves things like which involves scientific thinking skepticism

which is like the idea that you need to let evidence dictate your beliefs humility you have to you have to have to have the humility to know that any statement, including your own, can be proven wrong. And so you have to have another part of scientific thinking, which is the openness to be able to change those opinions, right?

And all these kinds of things. You have to be willing to change. There's openness and scientific rigor and all these things, right? and so how can we then talk to someone who is is bringing to us a pseudoscientific belief that they have like flat earth conspiracy or something like that right which to us seems ridiculous and you don't think that they should be thinking this way but how can you change their mind what do you think is the first thing you what is usually the first thing you want to do is when you're talking to someone who has a belief like that is to tell them that the right. wrong right yeah your first instinct is to to get all a little fired up and yeah i feel like it's probably the wrong instinct too because that probably in some cases gives them ammunition or gives them fuel oh yeah well yeah pseudoscience is one of the things about pseudoscience is that it's it's it's a very natural way of thinking about things i think um we want to fight against

those people and we want to tell them the wrong but people usually come to pseudoscience because pseudoscience is very seductive. It's a lot of times it's providing like a counter narrative to authority, you know, which is a lot of people have it. And also when you get that kind of pseudoscientific information, it makes you feel good and it makes you feel special. It confirms your beliefs and it purports to provide evidence that confirm your beliefs. And we all want that.

We all have that tendency to want to confirm our existing beliefs, right? Right, right. And there is a feeling of what do they call that? Not paint yourself in a corner. A cornered cat, that's it. You get in the corner and just like, well, wait a minute. And if you corner someone else, their tendency is to, at least in the moment, in the rush of the moment, they're going to want to defend their position. And it's really hard to convince hearts and minds when they're in that position.

Right, right. Because people get defensive as a natural tendency. Natural thing, yeah. So attacking head on your right doesn't work. There's actually evidence that shows that contradicting people's views, that rarely ever works. There's scientific evidence that shows that, or that telling someone they're wrong actually has the opposite effect sometimes.

Sure. And there's just, what I always like to say is you can't logic someone out of an opinion that they didn't probably logic themselves into in the first place. So what do you do? Okay, let's get to it. I have like a four step. It's maybe less formal than this, but it's like a four parts. It's one more than Randy usually gives us, too.

Yeah, no kidding. This is a real Tony Robbins moment. moment here with Bobby. Let's see what you've got. Right, right. Speaking of pseudoscience. Yeah, my guy loves that stuff. But it's just a pithy way to think about it. It's shut up, listen, find common

ground, and then talk about that. All right? And so the shut up part is you need to stop arguing with people and you just need to listen to them. That does a lot of things. First of all, it makes them feel, doesn't, it prevents

making them feel shut down and making them feel small. It makes them feel listened to if you're just being quiet and letting them. And it also importantly preserves relationships if you don't argue with someone. And I think that in order to change people's minds about anything, you have to preserve a relationship with them. Because when do you, the people you listen to the most and the people who are most likely to change your minds are the people you care about. Right. So preserving a relationship is important. So just shut up. People are way more likely to change your mind if you are someone that they like and respect. The second part that I always try to do is listen. And what I mean by listen is

really try to hear what they're saying. Not the superficial top layer of what they're saying that, you know, that the earth is flat, but really listen to what and understand the underlying reason why it is that they think and believe the thing that they think and believe, right? What is motivating them to think that way. And that's where the common ground part comes in. We probably share a lot more in common with people than we really think. Almost 100% of the time I've found that people, even people I vehemently disagree with on some subject or point. There's always, especially if you get to know them, and it's not just some rando on the internet.

It's almost always you guys have similar, even similar motivations. you just go about those motivations differently, but the motivations are the same, same endgame. That's a core value of mine, and I know I've talked to you, Scott, before, I know it's a core value of yours, that we have way more in common with each other, just in general, than we do the differences, right? Yeah. Some people don't want to admit that they do, but it's true. Right. And maybe that's a point of contention. Another thing to argue about, but I actually, I think it's true. So some examples of finding common ground with people that might be talking about things that you just fundamentally disagree with are like, think about why do they believe in Bigfoot? Is it because perhaps they want, they have this desire and want for mystery and discovery to still be alive in the world and to feed their sense of adventure? Because if that's the case, then me too, right?

Sure. I do too. So you can start. Why do they think vaccines are causing autism? is it because they worry about their loved ones, health, and that they wish they understand more about the chemicals that are going to their body. Well, that makes sense to me. So if you listen, you can find those things out. And if you really find common ground, why do people believe in astrology? Maybe it's because they really wish that, you know, life is complicated. And they wish that they could understand those complicated lives.

Maybe they're looking for some explanation for why things just won't go their way. That makes sense to me, right? Yeah, those are common things that ever. everybody has. And understanding that about your quote unquote foe in your argument, I think goes a long way to, well, A, just sort of humanizing everybody, but B, you know, you see where they're coming from. And that always helps. And you see them as more than just their opinion. You see them as a person who, all right, how did they get to this point? Which is super important, right? And then the last step is just to, once you found that common ground, just talk about that. I don't even actually,

when I'm talking to people, I don't usually even address the pseudoscience at all because, again, I don't believe that I can directly change their minds. So why even talk about it? Just talk about the thing that you have in common. Redirect the conversation. And then at the very least, maybe you can actually have a conversation that you almost enjoy. Yeah, you almost enjoy having with that person. So let me throw this one out. You tell me what you would do. All right. Okay. This is a very happening right now kind of thing. So I haven't talked about this on the show very much, but since November, there have been one, two, three, and a three, a possible fourth diagnosis of cancer on my wife's side of her family. And this is after her sister died in October from cancer. So without having

much time to grieve her loss, we're already ramping up for possibly, you know, more bad news. In fact, today or not, tomorrow we find out on that possible one and the others. Some of this has been caught early. Some of it hasn't. There's some frustration about why the first one wasn't in that, which brings him to my point. I'm not going to get specific about this, but we have somebody in the family who was diagnosed like eight months ago and didn't tell anyone. And the reason they didn't tell anyone is they didn't want anyone to worry. Again, some some relatable reasons as to why they didn't say anything. I understand that feeling of I don't want to be a bother.

In fact, I'm terrible at this. If I need help, I don't ask for it. I never do. I'm terrible at that. If I move, I move and no one knows it. Like I packed up all my own boxes. I never asked anyone for any help. I wreck my back.

It's just the way it goes. It's how I do stuff. So I kind of understand that part of it. I have some mutual understanding of why those emotions exist. But the other side of this is this particular person wants to do a bunch of holistic stuff and thinks they can solve it with magic powder and books and not do the only scientifically tested stuff that shows to treat or affect this kind of cancer. And it's extremely frustrating that that's a thing.

And having a conversation about that stuff with somebody who's a big believer that that science is wrong and no one trust doctors when their actual life is at stake. Not only that, but others around them who didn't know about this for eight months also could have maybe been in a genetic firing line. It's time to go get checked, maybe early. Like there's a lot of frustration around that as well. And people are mad, obviously. My approach to this would be, or what I'm trying to do from my vantage point is I'm trying

to do this common ground thing. I'm trying to find a way to have the discussions so that we can reach a couple of ends. One, better understanding of what this means for that person, how we can better support that person and help them understand what their best path forward is. Because right now they think their best path forward is some guy they learned about on Facebook and a book he wrote and claiming to be a doctor but isn't and some weird powder shake that supposedly kills cancer and all this kind of BS. right and we're at a real we're at a real moment for that and i and i feel like the next time there's a family gathering it will either it will go one way the other it'll either go bad all conversations will go bad and someone's going to leave with really hurt feelings or and i hope i'm the one who can spearhead this because there's a lot of frustration around it

i would like very much to be the person that figures out the path forward for them and for everyone else in the room. So I ask you, Bobby, what would you do in that scenario? Not that I'm not saying you're the end all be all. That's not the point. But I'm just curious what you would do given what we're talking about here. And that is a really hard one because medical stuff is really tough because it's not benign like flat earth, right? Right. It's a person that you really care about who the way You see it as very urgent because if they're not getting the help that they really need because they're choosing to do something that's not going to work, then it feels very urgent that you need to change their mind. But it's important to always remember that if you push, again, if you push too hard, that you may just harden their opinion more. So the first thing I would start with is if it were me, again, like you said, I'm not an expert, but it's,

If it were me, I would just talk to the person about what they're doing and let them know that I can make sure to show in my actions that I care about them and I care about what they're doing so that we can just talk about that. What do they want to talk about? And then, you know, maybe try to eventually over time, spring. And you may not even get to this right very quickly or even in that day because your whole effort should be in making sure that they know that you care. And then try to think, like, oh, man, you know, I don't want to, this is really good. You're working on trying to figure this out, and this is really hard. But I wonder if, you know, just because I worry so much about you, I wonder if you'd be willing to, you know, also in what you're doing. If you talk to this person that I know has helped someone else that was dealing with something similar and just, you know, just, you know, maybe if nothing else, you know, just give it a shot. And then that maybe opens the door. It turns that that person is a 30-year veteran oncologist who actually understands everything about cancer, survival rates, treatment plans.

But you're framing it in a way that's like, oh, it seems like you were really working hard. You're acknowledging them, right? You're seeing that they're struggling and they're trying, you know, showing them that you see that they're trying. And you say, but I know someone who went through this something similar and I know that this person that they talked to this doctor. or whatever helps them. So it would, you know, maybe even make it seem like they're doing you a favor because people love to feel like they're being useful. Well, and you are doing it.

That's a really good point. That's a really good point because you are talking on her terms. Yeah. Oops, I just narrowed it down a little. Sorry. Ah, her. Yeah. Now we know the gender of the person.

But we, we, to approach it like that sounds like we're actually saying what they're always saying, which is, well, there's this guy I heard on late night TV who sold a book. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, but really what you're saying is, yeah, I've got a friend who's, oh, he's so, he really knows this stuff. Because there is, there's a, I understand, like, the fear, the fear of expertise is a weird one for me. And, well, that, that to me translates to the fear of authority. Yeah, exactly. I feel that every time when it comes up. It's not just, it's not expertise so much.

It's just that, well, if they're, they claim to be experts, they're part of a system of overlords that want to tell me I to live my life. Right. and that's a hard one to that's a hard hump to jump you know yeah yeah that's a new phrase that we use all the time hard hump to jump I love it's a hard hump to jump yo I put the I had to put the yo on the end yeah that'll definitely make it seem like a modern grade yeah the kids will get it you know the kids Marty yeah yeah anyway but okay well that's interesting I I mean when this does happen everyone right now is kind of a weird holding pattern because the person who didn't tell anyone or still refuses to talk to anyone about it. And everybody's just trying to

scramble to figure out what they can do to help, which is ironic because this is a person that even if it's something minor like, oh, my shoelace is untied, she will have an opinion and will tell you about it. Like, she will want to tell everyone else how this and that and the other. And I don't mean that in necessarily negative way. She's a great heart and wants to help everybody. Sure, sure. But now it's her turn for others to help and things have gotten weird and we're just trying to figure it out. Anyway, I didn't mean to air all that garbage. But the point is, this is one of those situations, and sometimes it's exacerbated by serious circumstances like these cancer diagnoses or other things in life that are much bigger, like you said, than just some guy who's like, well, I think there's flat. Why? Because I ain't never seen the globe up front or, you know, whatever. You can get through those. And sorry, South, I didn't mean to do that again to you. But you know what I'm saying. it's always that voice we're used to it so any um i mean i'm i'm i'll say this too i'm a

i'm a huge fan of the feeling it's some of the best dopamine you can ever have of when you admit can't admit that you had it wrong um and a lot of people just straight up will never do it but even though most of us are hesitant to do it we won't do it at first we have to sometimes you have to be chipped away at for a while but it feels so good to just go you know what I had that totally wrong it clears right oh it feels so good dude yeah it's like it's like I don't know what it is it's one of the most freeing things you can do and we're so I agree but not everybody and I think the reason it feels good for people like you and me is that we have that as again sort of a part of our identity we believe ourselves to be someone

who can change our mind and so it feels good to to do something like that but not everybody I really think that that's kind of the minority. It's definitely not the majority of people who feel like they can change. I think people think that they can, but we tend to be entrenched. And that's everybody. There are opinions that you and I have, that we would be very hard to change even though, you know. Well, here's a fun example. This happened yesterday.

Carter is trying to show her friend Alicia what we do in the shadows. She'd never seen the movie, so she wanted to show her the movie because here in our house, that is a hallowed film. We love that movie. So they're getting ready to rent at the other night and do all this stuff. And I hear Carter downstairs,

her and I are just this way with each other, but I hear her go, Dad, you're wrong. I said, I'm wrong about what? I yell down. We're not seeing each other's face, by the way. She's just way downstairs. I'm upstairs.

She goes, this movie came out in 2014. I go, it absolutely didn't. not come out in 2014. That came out in 2015. I'm 100% sure on it because that's the year Fury Road came out. I think of three movies that year. That's Sicario and Fury Road or three of my favorite movies of the year. And she goes, nope, 2014, look it up. And I went, I promise you it's 2015. And my wife's like, you guys are going to kill me. And I said, I said, well, let me look it up. And sure enough, I was right that in the States, when it finally hit theaters, 2015 but it premiered in 2014 at Sundance and made some other and some smaller runs in other places

during that year before the year ended so we were both right about it but we were having the hardest time coming together on that point yeah and I realized it's a small dumb thing right big deal right but I realize at the end of I'm like this is so stupid this is so stupid because actually who cares right what do I actually have an invested in this idea Yeah, this is the whole DeL Carnegie thing. Now, what have each of you gained from this? Right. And the answer was nothing, other than we kind of have a laugh afterwards, but nothing.

Gain nothing. Yeah, that's another thing that I try to keep in mind is when I'm feeling the urge to argue with somebody is I ask myself the question, do I, like, do I really need them to agree with me? You know, like, is that something I need? Well, if not, then why? Right. Exactly, yeah. Do you know, am I doing this because it helps, it will help them in maybe a health situation or in a safety situation. Well, yeah, then it's like, no, you really need to know that you shouldn't be drinking that snake oil or whatever.

But if it's like a, no, it's not flat. It's around like, oh, what's the point? What, you know, what do I gain from telling them? If they stay away from the edge of the earth because they're afraid they're going to fall off, that's fine. That's just fine. Right. Right. Because the end result is they still won't fall off the earth.

They still won't fall off the edge of the earth. I'm not saving. It's not a safety issue. That's true. Well, interesting. I, you know, I hope, do you, do you recommend like any books or people to follow that are just good at this sort of stuff? So, actually, it's funny that you bring that. I wasn't going to say it, but because you just made me think of it. There is a really great book. It's called The Skeptics Guide to the, the Skeptics Guide to the Universe, I think is, it's a podcast. You may have heard of the podcast. I've heard of the podcast, yeah. Yeah, but they, all of them wrote a book also. And skeptics, I'm looking at a Skeptic Guide to the Universe book.

But it's a really good book, and it's a really good primer for skeptical thinking and how to do that. They talk a little bit about being humble. But if you want a primer for that kind of thinking, then that's what I would do. But yeah. my thought petered out i apologize that's all right you get the point across yes yeah point taken that's all that matters that we took your point uh well that's fantastic bobby tell people about all around science where more of this great discussion happens each and every week um the podcast that i do every week is called all around science and we do all so we talk about

science stuff and that's what we like to talk about there's it's not more complicated than that we just recently talked about a new antibiotic that was developed, a new whole class of antibiotics that's going to help fight antibiotic resistance. Oh, that's good because that's a problem, that resistance business. Yes, it is a big problem. And if this works, then it'll open up a new avenue, a new strategy for dealing with bacterial infections. It would be really, really cool. Do you, I know we talked for a while.

Do you have time for one, like two minutes to me to say something about TMSV? For sure, for sure. Go ahead. I vetted this with Brian first, so I'm not speaking out of turn. You are allowed to speak. Thank you, thank you. Every year there's a board game event at TMS, Vegas, where we get together, and we're doing that again this year, right, Brian? Correct, yep. I don't know exactly which day.

I think it'll be Wednesday, but don't hold me to that. We're still waiting on something from Sandaller and James and Svets. So we are looking at six hours, though, right? Instead of four. Well, that's one of the announcements, yes. Oh, sorry. So one of the things that I was talking to Ducey, everyone knows Ducey or has heard of Ducey, he goes, he's the big board game guy. And him and I were talking because we thought it would be really, really great to get more.

People love going to the board game event, but I see a lot of like walking around, observing people playing games. And there's a whole big table of board games always there that lots of people bring. And you might see those games and think, oh, that looks interesting, but I don't know how to play it, and I don't know how to get other people to play it with me if I don't know how to play it. So we came up with this idea for people to sign up for board games, express interest in games that they might want to play. And also, if you have a board game that you know how to play and want other people to play with you,

you can sign up for to put that on a spreadsheet and get other people to sign up to play it with you. And so just a more organized kind of way to get people to play more games during that board game event, right? What if the sign-ups say nothing but dungeon murder? What if it's just dungeon murder the whole way up and down? Then what are we going to do? What are we going to do then?

No, you have to buy more copies of dungeon murder, apparently. Shoot, all right. Another batch on its way. No, I'm kidding. I love this idea. It's a really great idea. It's something we needed, because a lot of times I'd miss out on a game I really wanted to play because I was playing

something else and I didn't see oh they've started playing that already shoot I wanted to get in on that one so I love it I love that this well I also like the it's kind of two tiered right because not only can we get people and you're playing the things they're interested in but also that extra couple hours are going to make a giant difference yeah yeah that's what and that's what because that's after we talked me and Ducey kept saying man we wish we wish it was just a little bit longer like maybe two hours longer and so I, and Ducey was like, but I guess we can't do anything about it. And so I said, no, I'm just going to message Brian, find out.

Maybe we can't do anything about it. And then Brian made it happen. Yeah, it made it happen. So, yeah, and it'll, it'll, the way it looks like it'll extend is one hour in each direction. Because I think we started at 12 and went to 4. And rather than go 12 to 6, we'll bump it back an hour 11 to 5. And that way, people still have a chance to go out and get dinner and that sort of thing. before whatever the evening event is that day.

That's great. So if you want to sign up for things and you want to see what other people are planning to, there's only a few things on there because we haven't obviously told very many people, but you go to the TMS Vegas Discord channel that has been there for a long time. And if you go to the pins, one of the pins there that is called a TMS Vegas Master Sheet. There's a couple of things on there, but one of the tabs is game sign up and game list and wish list. If you go to the game, sign up, you list a game that you want to run. So, like, I have on there, Evolution, host is Bobby, and then you put the length and when you, what the start time, when you might want to play it and everything.

And people can sign up, put their names on there. Like, Nikki has agreed to play that game with me. And then if you just have a game that you've, that you've want, that you know someone has or want to see if you've wanted to play, but maybe you don't have it or or something like that, you can put it on the games list list. If you're going to bring a game, you can list it on there and other people can express whether they want to play and all that kind of stuff. So check it out. It's pretty self-explanatory of the sheet. And if people have questions, let us know so we can make things more clear. This is kind of the first time we're doing this.

And I need to, I'll do a new link because right now we've got the 2023 board game list linked over there on Viva TMS, Vegas. So I'll need to get a link to the newest one. Yeah. yeah yeah so yeah over there on and maybe one day maybe sometime i don't know how these things work but maybe you can come up with a tiny URL or something oh yeah to to make it easier for people to to find it rather than having to go to the discord or something yeah right totally go to the discord anyway yeah you should yeah it's a good place to discuss where you know the frequently asked question should i start booking my hotel now no wait every other day exactly please wait until we

have the booking code. We don't have the booking code yet. But prices look like they're going to be comparable and maybe even in the case of the resort fees better than the Cyber Monday deal. So hold off. Wait, wait, wait. And we'll let you know. Yeah. Believe me, as soon as I get the contract, I'll sign it, well, review it, then I'll sign it. And I'll... It's an important first step. That's an important first step. Just make sure they haven't put anything weird in there. But I'll just say right now. I know neither of them listen, but boy, I miss Bernadette and how quick she was to get

the contract to me. Anytime we made a change, boom, I had it that afternoon, a new contract. Yeah, she was on it. She was on it. And also everyone, bug Schleiker to come, all right? We'd like him to come up to this thing. For sure, yeah. You know, you'll see Bobby there.

Bobby, thanks for hanging with us. Have a fantastic rest of your week. And we'll see you next time. Bye now. see you bobby all righty that went great that was great yeah exciting stuff all right uh we're out of here except one final thing yeah got another anonymous uh listener on the text line 801471 0462 who sent this in their headline was three amigos and uh northern exposure and i didn't know what that meant and because i've forgotten all about most of the show and i'm really we really are

Kim and I are enjoying the hell out of our rewatch. It's great. It says this, Scott, do yourself a favor and skip ahead to season three, episode 15. Three Amigos in Northern Exposure. I think it's my favorite episode. I read Call of the Wild for the first time after watching it back when it first aired. I am digging the fact that it's on Prime now. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

So I haven't jumped ahead to see what this is yet. But do... Yeah, what exactly the three amigos... Yeah. How is it? Does Steve Martin and... Martin Short and Chevy Chase making appearance? Probably not, but...

Probably not, right? I can't imagine. Let's look at the synopsis. Okay. It says, Maurice and Holling venture into an Alaskan wilderness to bury a recently deceased friend. Ooh, this sounds like a fun,

survivory thing. Bottle episode kind of thing, yeah. I like those. I like where Chris and Polly Wallnuts get stuck out in the woods. Yes, exactly, yeah. Did you know that episode was directed by Steve Bouchain? Or Busemi?

You mentioned that, yeah. I think I just got to say Bouchemi. I can't do it. You can't say the current way his name is pronounced. Buccemi. It sounds so wrong to me. Busemi? Busemi.

He's got a semi going. I've never said it right. My whole life and now I'm being asked to change it. It's hard. Exactly. After all this time, Bucemi. Yeah, he's going to come up in my recommendal this week or next week. Oh, really?

Something new from Stephen Bouchammy? Something newish. All right. Newish, where he's Jewish. All right, great. That'll do it for today's show. Thank you all very much. Send us those texts, those voicemails to 801-47-1-0462,

or you can email us at the morningstream at gmail.com. If you're looking for all our essential links for the show, you can find them at frogpants.com slash TMS. All right, Brian, song, song, blue. Song. We're going to go to Jeff Smith, who wrote in, not the guy who created Bone, but a different Jeff Smith. Who would have thought that that's such a popular name?

Hello, America. This is my first time writing in for a request, but this is a special occasion. January 15th this year, marks for me a half century on this planet. Being a child of the 80s, I love ELO and Def Leopard. So I was wondering, if you could play for me, Def Leopards cover of ELO's 10538 Overture. Thanks in advance, Jeff Smith. P.S. while I have your attention to, despite your comedy rule,

please, please, please, sack Superfuzz, aka Super Snooper on FilmSack. Terrence Hill talking to a fish and Ernest Borgine, dancing on a flying bubble gum bubble sounds right in film sac's wheelhouse. It does to me too. That's an exception I would make

because even though it's meant to be a comedy film, it's from a very specific time and place and they're just different, you know? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like we did. I would be, I'd be cool with Superfuzz. That feels like, it feels like there'd be enough to to poke at with that one.

Agreed. We're doing it. You know what? Count on it. We'll put it on the list. We're putting it in. Yeah. For sure. Cool. Plus, Gutter is Borg9. How did you complain about that? Plus is it's birthday and now since he's that old, he gets this. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Nice thing. They showed the trailer for Jim Cotta right before the beekeeper.

By the way, saw the beekeeper at the theater this last weekend, folks. And Statham, it's, you know, It might as well have been a transporter film, really just could have been Transporter 5 or 6 or whatever number they're on. But it's good. It's exactly what you think it is. It's like an homage to 90s action films, but they go after fishing scammers and crypto bros. So it's like, ah, ripped from today's headlines. I'm sufficiently curious about it given I like these, I like these WIC likes.

Would you say it fits nicely in that? Is it a wick-like? Yes. It's a wick-alike, yeah, absolutely. So somebody shot his B, and now he's mad because a bee died or something like that? No, but you think, no, he shot, well, I won't say, because it's a little bit of a spoiler. All right. But Bombat says, why did they show a trailer for an old movie? That is what Alamo Draft House does.

The 30 minutes before a film are, here are weird movies, weird clips, weird video clips, weird trailers. I put a couple of them in the, um, the, um, the, film sack chat, especially the Ugandan Expendables, which if you have not watched the trailer for the Ugandan expendables, it is a treat. Oh, it's worth watching. Go to the FilmSack chat in the Discord and watch

the trailer I posted for Ugandan Expendables! Yeah. Jim Cata looks terrible. I've never seen it, but it looks awful. Oh, it looks so perfect for film sac and so horrible, yeah, but only available to pay to rent. Anyway, that's neither here nor

there. Def Leopard in 2006 released an album called Yeah! Which was all covers. Had an exclamation point, so that's why I pronounce it like that. On there, they included this cover of ELO's 105-38 Overture. Here is Def Leopard covering E-L-O. Did you see the friend crying from his eyes today? Did you see the road to the streets so far away? Did you see him run, did you see him fall? Ah, ah, ah.

It is like flashed by at the bedroom, no. Oh! Did you hear the music? Did you hear the music came across the old today? Someone has been found on the rocks that in the bay. Ah Did you see him hold? Did you see him crawl?

Ah! Ah! Just his life's been more than he did before. Oh! Can't you see it up near, right through the streets today through the streets to die. Did you catch his face wasn't what I vibrate on? You know, and I'm like it. Get more at frogpants.com

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