The Morning Stream - TMS 2585: Rhesus Species

Episode Date: January 18, 2024

Lemonade-Based Hearing Loss. Scurvy Simplex 1. The Bag of Freezage. Thanks for the cup of diabetes. I don't like Monkey Herpeeeeees! I bought $20 of identity theft. Don't Shove Your 12 Year Old Into A Box. Jiffy Lube keeps my food cold. Pipe Safe Goo. A Paul Sized Hole. Hermes Simplex. There are 3 Mistakes. How's your mom's therapy game? In a box, in a bag, in the trash. Her Idiot Older Brother with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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I don't like monkey herpes. I bought $20 worth of identity theft. Don't shove your 12-year-old into a box. Jiffy Loub keeps my food cold. Pipe safe goo. A pall-sized hole. Hermes Simplex. There are three mistakes.

How's your mom's therapy game? In a box and a bag in the trash. Her idiot older brother with Wendy and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. This is Weather, one of nature's ever-changing mysteries. It affects every one of us every day of our lives, and yet we know relatively little about it. weather. That's something we'd all like to do something about, isn't it? And so tonight we've brought you down here to Remington Ranch's New York Computing Center in order that we might show you that something actually is being done about it.

I'd just sponge my pits and your mom's commode like a French lead lie. The morning stream. If you don't want the silver, you got to. to take the lead. Good morning, everybody. Welcome to TMS. It's the morning stream for January 18th, 2024. I'm Scott Johnson with Brian.

Hi, Brian. Hello, Scott. Hey, man. So today already I've made three mistakes. One, I forgot to hit record on the pre-show, so I have to go back and do that from the video. It's fine. Whatever.

I can do it. I can extract it. Number two, I put all the wrong video information today, so we got all discombobulated there. Right. And later, who knows what will happen? I don't know. Maybe I'll call Wendy and accidentally call my mom instead. I don't know.

I don't know. Well, what's her therapy game like? Can she solve a problem, you think? No. I mean, practical stuff like, you know, this sinks clogged. What do we do? That sort of stuff, she's good at that. But if we have any kind of like really interpersonal issues we want to bring up or anything,

she's no good for that stuff. Forget it. Ah, okay, darn. Yeah, that'd be a real, I don't know where Wendy got it. Wendy didn't got, she didn't get any of that therapy-minded stuff from anyone in my family. That all came from her. That's interesting. Like, as kids, did she, when was the first time that you noticed that she was like a people helper kind of thing?

Like, you know, with somebody who would be able to do well in the therapy world? Probably pretty early. She seemed to be like a level ahead of everybody. on observation so she would she would we would be seeing something happen in real time maybe it was a family thing or one of my other siblings melting having a meltdown or something uh on a trip to lake powell or something and wendy would be the one that would kind of be organizational about the making of peace so my mom would be oh i'm going to turn this car around kind of attitude my dad would have and i'd be back there going oh she always does this or you know we'd always we'd have

our parts to play but wendy would be like well now you know if you just if you just think about it we're only on the road for another two hours and we can play this game between now and then it'll be like no time at all like she was she was really good at that analytical sort of stuff growing up yeah here's a book i'd like you to check out yeah here here's an amazon link go grab this get it on your kindle and uh do your homework and then we'll talk about it next week she says and then she would charge my family three hundred dollars an hour it's crazy that's right but we didn't get a full hour doesn't matter no you take out my time doesn't matter um well let's ask her this as well and let's see uh what she like if she i mean she'll say she'll probably say the same thing you did but i'm curious

to see if she when she knew that she was uh yeah she may have a totally different she may have a very different take on it i'm not sure but i think i mean i would observe it even like when i was in high school and she was much younger i would see her in uh grade school moving into junior high and I would see her relationships with her friends. It felt like she was the one who kind of had everything figured out, you know, and help people where they needed help or whatever was. I don't know. Well, we should ask her.

Yeah, it'll be interesting. You might have realized it before she did, even, right? You know, you might have figured that out before she did. And she'll probably say, oh, it was when you chased me with the cold soldering iron. That's what I knew. I knew that if I went into therapy, I'd at least. have, you know, a handful of family members as clients, if nothing else. Or at the least, I'd have some great stories to relate to other people who receive

trauma from their idiot, older brother. Right, exactly. Entirely possible. All right, Brian, you know, I don't know if you ever get like a frozen meal kit in the, in the mail or anything like that. You ever get those? Yeah, well, we get the, you mean the, we get the blue apron. We used to get Hello Fresh.

We get Blue Apron. You're talking about that? that kind of thing yeah now some of that stuff comes frozen right i think the blue apron stuff comes frozen or maybe it doesn't comes comes in a chilled pack um but not frozen the meat is usually the the proteins are usually frozen in the separate walled off ice block container in the bottom right okay so this very then you'll have exactly my experience with this this is from uh we got some factor stuff for core oh cool um and when they show up they're not frozen they're ready to throw the microwave for two minutes and there's your there's your thing exactly yeah you got eat them uh yeah

eat them refrigerate them don't freeze them refrigerate yeah get those things in the fridge don't leave them out uh anyway they come in a box with these big almost like bags but they're kind of in block shape mostly because of the shape of the box they came in there are these frozen blocks sure sure now yesterday i was trying to dispose of a couple of those and i thought i don't know why i thought this because of course It's not true. But I just thought it was like ice in there. You know? Like a block of ice with food in the middle of it.

Yeah. Yeah. Like a demolition man. You're looking at what's his face? Sylvester Stallone encased in ice. Yeah. Or even like, you know, when you take a, I don't know, a cooler to the beach or something, you just throw ice. I just kind of thought that's all it was.

Oh, you're thinking like in the, in the, not in the ice you're talking about. You're throwing out the, the, you're throwing out the. the freezer bag that contains the frozen stuff in it. Correct. The gel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, now here's, it's funny, you said gel because I didn't know there was gel. I just thought it was water and ice in there.

Oh, yeah, no, no. I had no idea. So I'm such an idiot. I take these bag, these two bags out. And while Kim took him out and laid them out because she wanted them to defrost before we threw them out. Or put them in the garbage. And that was fine. But I thought, well, why am I going through all this rigmarole?

They're here. melted i'm doing dishes i may as well just run this water but i thought was water i should just run this down the sink no big deal let's do it yeah which is what we do yeah we we empty the bags into the into the um kitchen sink and then i think we recycle the bags because they're supposed to be able to it's supposed to be completely carbon footprint free or whatever are they because this is where i was worried because cutting them open so again i cut it open expecting water what i got was this viscous freaking petroleum jelly that it smells like a gas station like it smells like oil and you know like a greasy floor mechanic shop like if you ever walked through a jiffy lube it

smells like that and i went i know exactly the like it's yeah you like you're behind a guy who's wearing a blue shirt with his name in cursive on the on the front pocket you're standing behind him at the taco belt waiting for your taco salad and it's that that smell like i know you work under cars all day long yeah it's that smell and i went oh and then i kind of had a panicked moment of like that probably shouldn't go down the sink and so i turned to a just previously hand-cleaned mixing bowl and i just went and squeeze the whole thing into there and then i got a real look at it because it's you know you can kind of see how gelatinous it is and everything And I called Kim and I said, is this stuff like even remotely safe to put in the sink or what I'm supposed to do it?

She goes, oh, no, no, no, no, take it out to the trash. You don't want it in the sink. You don't want it in the trash. And for a minute, I was hesitant to even tell her that I'd cut it open. But I was like, oh, okay, yeah, we'll put it in the trash. Gotcha. And, you know, winked at the phone and hung up and then took the bowl out and dumped it in a box and a bag and then into the trash. So it wouldn't get all gross.

But anyway, I did not put it down the sink. Now, the chat says I should never put that day. the sink, right? That stuff's going to coat something and plog something and cause issues? See, and I don't know, I don't know what a factors deal is, but Blue Aprons,

they, in 2019, I'm saying, reading from their website, and at Blue Apron, we're proud of our gel packs. In 2019, we became the first meal kit company to introduce drain safe, fully recyclable gel packs developed in partnership with Nordic Ice. Our packs were so

impressive, we received the 2019 packaging Innovation Award from Dow. Basically, it's water-based. The contents can be safely drained down the sink. Once empty, the plastic exterior can be recycled via in-store drop-off. Yeah, so I don't know what Factor uses, but Blue Apron, you absolutely 100% can cut it open. Like, once it thaws, you put those things on the counter, let them thaw. Once they're thawed, cut the thing open and pour the goo.

out yeah that makes sense and it's just so you've got some kind of sink pipe safe goo in those and this these do not as far as i know these don't maybe these are i don't know i mean i don't i can't i'm looking it up on the side yeah i don't know it would say on the bag by the way it should say on the bag like whether or not you can um i didn't even think of that i didn't think to look at the bag i mean of course it'll have something on there but i didn't read it um anyway it all made it to the trash and everything was fine and the kitchen smelled like uh a jiffy loop for about a half an hour, but other than that, everything went fine. It's funny.

Rainbow Bright says, can you recycle them? Can you re-freeze them, use them for your lunchbox? Yeah, and we have, because we've been getting Blue Apron for a while, and we do, we do Blue Apron maybe every two weeks, maybe even three weeks. We don't do it weekly. But it's, it almost serves more as, oh, we need some new ideas for recipes. We need some new ideas for things that are quick and easy to make. And so half of the things we get from Blue Apron,

We're like, oh, save this recipe, and we'll use it on one of our non-blue apron weeks as like a, this chicken and rice thing was amazing or this other thing was great. So we save, we saved, or we saved initially like four or five of the pairs of cooling packs that we get to put in, you know, in the cooler, when we have friends over, we'll refreeze those and put them in there to keep drinks cold in the cooler and stuff like that. That's a good idea. So, I like that. These are too big for lunches and things. but they're big enough, they'd be perfect for drinks or, you know. They're great for, yeah, they're great for coolers.

They're great for, we just keep them all in the outside freezer. And if anything happens that we like, oh my God, we need to clear out the kitchen refrigerator freezer. Then we can put all that stuff in the, we won't be able to fit it all into our freezer out in the garage, but we can fit it into the cooler with these freezer bags and keep everything ice cold while we deal with refrigerator problems if we have them. So I think I found the difference. If yours doesn't smell like petroleum, then you have the newer, cleaner stuff. The newer, pourable ones. Okay.

Mine smelled like, because mine smelled like a motor oil. Yours did not win the Design Innovation Award from Dow. No. I will admit, I was this tempted, only a tiny bit, like a little eyebrow hair tempted, to just pull out a lighter or a match and see if it was flammable. You're like the kid on the playground who tasted the cocaine. A little bit. I wouldn't taste it. Let's see if it's explosive. I'll try this out in the fridge, in the kitchen sink.

Oh, I was 100% the kid that would try to light his thing on fire. I was not the kid that would taste anything I found, but I would light it on fire. Like that same kid, I could pay that kid a dollar and he would taste the gel from the bag. Yeah. Right. Oh, God. Yeah. And I don't think you want to eat that stuff, that frozen gel stuff. So, so yeah, look at the, look at the packaging of the thing itself and, and see if it's something drainable. The ones from blue. Blue Apron are, and there we go. This is not a sponsorship for Blue Apron, but man, I'm going to tout how great they are just with that, too.

Well, according to Mantlebeard, according to Factor, the contents of our gel packs are made of 99% salt water and 1% sodium polycylate. Acrelate? That's probably what I'm smelling, is the polyacrylate. 99% salt water and 1% Amco Repairman.

Yeah. So, factor gel goes, so does they, but, okay, mantle beard, do they say on the site whether you should chuck it or can you, is it pipe safe? That's the part I was unsure about. That's the whole point. I mean, sodium polyacrylate is like a, I don't know what that is. I think it's a, it's a, well, acrylic, so polyacrylate. So multiple polymultipylate, plastic, which is what you're smelling. So, yeah, probably, probably not.

Yeah, they're saying no drains and you should pour it out in the trash and then if you can recycle the bags, which is what I was trying to do, except that's goofy. You can dispose of them by draining the gel into the trash. That's like, why would you, why would you drain that into the trash? Well, then you can put the bag into the trash. Well, then you can recycle the bag. Yeah, yeah. If you're recycling the bag, then yes. If not.

But you're not just going to, I'm not just going to. I cut the side open, open my plastic trash can and go right in there, right? So you're going to put it in something else, which means you're putting it in another bag. Yeah. No, you're right. So if you've already got bagged trash, I guess. You could pour it in there and just be careful. Yeah, right.

There you go. Put it in the kitchen trash and then seal that bag. But I don't trust that. I don't trust that very much. That stuff falls out and does weird shit. Leaks. And then you got, and then all of a sudden now your trash can smells like jiffy lube. Yeah.

and then the trash man accidentally dumps it wrong and it goes all over the side of their truck and now they don't want to like me anymore and we can't have that we gave them Christmas gifts damn it they have to like us anyway so yeah the lesson here don't be stupid that's the lesson we ask people about their TEMU experiences because yes it things everywhere and everyone's advertising it it freaking sucks and I hate all the ads but I wanted to know if the products were legit is it a decent shopping experience are people getting what they want out of this site. Are they getting, thinking they're ordering something that's really cool and then they get it and it's the cheapest piece of flimsy garbage they've ever seen. Sure. And you know,

a risk that probably runs through most of the online retail experience anywhere. Amazon sometimes will have a thing. I bought something on Amazon once I thought was supposed to be good for something. I don't remember what it was. But I got it and it was terrible. It was the worst possible result and I sent it back. So, you know, I realize that plenty of places are susceptible to this and why not T-Mu, why not Amazon, why not anybody else. But in this case, we got an answer from another Brian in Waxachach-Wax-a-Chatchi. Wax-a-hachchi, Waxahatchi, Texas. Yeah, something like that. Down in Texas says, our family did a T-Mu Christmas last season. Your Secret Santa had a $20 limit for stuff off on the site. So we had a great time.

It says I bought a bunch of stuff over the last year or so, and it has all been worth the price paid. So take that for what it's worth. That's really funny. That's actually a really funny way to do it. And that way everybody not only gets something fun and goofy that they weren't expecting from Timu, but they also get identity theft. So that's cool. That's really good. Yeah, you also lose all of your important data and potentially credit cards.

Use a burner gift card to buy on Timu, and you're just fine. Yeah, you'll be, you'll be fine. See, that's my biggest concern. Whenever I go near that thing, I go near the sun at all, it's just like, oh. It just has a vibe, right? It just has a vibe. Yeah, they want me to, you know, put my name in too many little things. They want me to sign up for weird stuff.

They want to make me play a freaking roulette game at the beginning of the whole experience. Like, I just want to shop, you guys, just want to search for, like, Stormtrooper helmet. That is shopper engagement, and that is an SEO practice that is high. highly effective, Scott. That's true. Dr. Cahun says set up by one-time credit card on privacy.com.

I never even heard of doing that. Is that a thing? That's cool. I remember Chase used to let you do a burner, a burner credit card number. They don't anymore, which is a bummer. So how's that work? You just...

You go to Chase, you log into your account, you say, I want to use this credit card, give me a burner number. And they just give you a new 16-digit number and a three-digit code that you can use on a site that will only work for that purchase and then it won't uh then it won't uh that that number will never work again or at least it won't until phil jones and in fresno gets that randomly gets that card number on his on his new master card yeah so so wait a minute though

so if i do that then do i have to prepay it like i have to say an amount but ahead of time because you're using it with your i think it'll just it'll just be whatever price, whatever amount you use on it, it'll use it, but it'll only use it once. Oh, okay. Yeah. So it's not like... So it could have a limit of, I don't know, 10 grand, and you may only use it once for 20 bucks. And there might have been a way to set it.

They don't let you do it anymore. They don't do it for you anymore. It's a bummer because that was a really... You know, there's some things I order online that it's like, this is the only company that sells it. I think they're legit. They look legit. But just to be safe, let me get a burner number.

Um, but, uh, privacy, so privacy.com leased your card. I like that. Yeah, that's cool. How do they charge for this? Uh, you do a personal, oh, personal's for free. You get up to 12 cards per month, secure merchant locked and single use cards, ability to set up spending limits, pause and closed cards, access to your web app, mobile, blah, blah, blah. And a foreign transaction incur, or if you're foreign, you get a three percent fee on top of stuff. That's normal. There's a pro level. They'll let you have up to 36 six new cards per month. Oh,

geez. What else? A bunch of support. That's mainly the same, though. And then 25 a month gets just 60 cards plus some extras. God, I mean, 12 cards a month for the free version, plenty. That is totally just fine. I do not make enough transactions in a month.

I probably don't even do 12 for me. Kim does maybe combined with like the both of us, but by myself, no way. I wouldn't even come close. I'd probably use, geez. But what about recurrings, I guess? That's a big question. Yeah, like subscription kind of things. Probably don't use that for this, right?

You can do merchant locked, so it would only work for that merchant subscription. So they have different kinds. It looks like they've got merchant locked and then single use cards. So obviously your single use wouldn't work for a subscription, but a merchant locked one would. That seems cool. Subscribe to this Japanese treat monthly subscription box. You can say, great. Let me use this merchant-locked one, and they're the only ones who can use it.

Yeah, this seems all right. You get cash back on the two paid options. Oh, interesting. Yeah, 1% cash back on your purchases. It's not huge, but... Yeah. But the whole point is not. If you're making big charges, then that actually could be.

You know, if you're doing $1,000 a month in this stuff, then 1% cash back pays for that $10 a month for the pro. Yeah, and they do like a... It looks like a... uh one pass slash you know one password sort of connection to all your browsers so all you do is just log in sign in and bam it takes the card that's pretty cool okay then it's pretty cool there we go privacy dot com also not a sponsor but look at the little all the free air time they just got from us tons of it way more than a standard ad you guys are you guys owe us you know what here

we'll take this in the exchange a 10 dollar a month level for each for brian and for me just separate accounts that just are now. We don't pay the 10. We're just now a lifetime. Yeah. Grandfathered in forever. Let's do it. All right. Finally, a note about all you can eat. Okay. Yeah, okay.

This is for TMS. This is from Racer 951. Why? He's very active in our Discord as well. Yes. He's a very generous Steam code donor as well. We've got a lot of stuff from him. Oh, yeah, for sure. Oh, and I want to thank, I don't know if he, I know he

listens to core i'm not sure he listens to the show but there is a listener named norm who sent me a bunch of core codes uh and we've been giving those away and having a great time doing it so just shout out to norm if he's listening uh he just entered the bar norm um let's see this is what he says says me and three buddies have been banned from two different all you can eat chinese restaurants in oklahoma signed racer 95 one why uh yeah i don't like these things where people like all you can eat shrimp or all you can yeah like you The Red Lobster Gate. Because the one thing they don't do is they don't tell you

is that if you come and take advantage or exploit their deal, they have every right to say you can't come here anymore. Yeah, yeah. It's not like you have some open ticket to come be a dick. So not that race or not that you were a dick, but you know what I'm saying. I don't know if I've talked about this, but one of the things, there's a subscription service that I belong to, which is the Panera Sip Club.

and this is a like all you can drink coffee and soda and there's their teas they're like flavored teas and stuff like that but nothing you can't do a latte or a cappuccino or something like that it has to be just their straight coffee and they're they're only five minutes away from me and it's cheaper than the bags of coffee that i was buying the ground coffee that i was buying from uh starbucks or Red Silo. I really like Red Silo's coffee. It's a local, local mom and pop place. Sure. But it's like, you know what? I just go. I put, I take my Spider-Man thermos mug here. Yeah. Like it. I put To Splenda in it and a little bit of sugar-free, fat-free coffee mate. And then I head over to Panera five minutes away. Boop, boop, boop, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, log into their thing. And then get my coffee and leave. Wow. Wow. Wow. And I easily get more than the $10 or $11 a month that comes from that.

And then, because I'm going there, they say, oh, thanks for being a customer, or Panera customer. How about a free pick three meal or how about a free soup? That's sort of thing. That's great. I still have never been to a Panera. I don't know what my deal is. We got them here. Yeah.

Never been. You know, the rest, the food is okay. I think they make some killer. sandwiches like lunchtime get like a bacon tomato on faccia bread yeah that's that's a place like that here something bakery and it's kind of the same food so maybe that's why I just never felt pressured to do it it's it's nothing that I would go out of my way for and it's funny because like you look at the chat now I see you says

Panera is dot dot okay Dr. Calhoun Panera is meh personified Panera is nothing special since Stoics squirrel. It's pretty, pretty much. Like, Panera is, yeah, it's good. Yeah. It's good. It's okay. But it's good with like a, uh, a De Niro frowny shrug.

Yeah, it's good. It's good. I like the De Niro frowny shrug. Yeah, the De Niro frowny shrug. I don't know what happened from it, but you remember that in the news, they had the, uh, Panera was charged with, or they were, they were being accused of their, uh, uh, Coffeen-loaded lemonade of killing a guy and all that. Yes.

And you know, I came from that. Now, every single time I go to their little iPad at the counter and say, I want to get my free cup of coffee. Like, it pops up a menu drinking caffeinated drinks, such as our charged lemonade can cause da-da-da-da-da and blah, blah, blah. Really? Yes. Even though, even though that, I don't think they even went to court on this. I don't think they even like, really. Well, they settled out of court to put that, that warning.

on their drink stations. There's the new lady 17 hours ago, in fact, who says that the highly caffeinated Panera charged lemonade causes caused her permanent hearing loss is what she claims. Oh, no, really? It's horrible. Well, just cut back on the caffeine there, fellas?

Yeah. I think they just didn't realize what the charge was in the charged lemonade. I don't do the charged lemonade because it's like more sugar per ounce than a full-on Coca-Cola. yeah it doesn't yeah that might be a problem there i agree i got diabetes from your charge lemonade thank you for the cup of diabetes yum yum exactly uh so here's here's the here's the

levels okay so if we go from zero to 20 milligrams of caffeine per ounce by the way is about the maximum before you you know you really do start killing people red bull is the lowest with just under 10 monster at 10 panera at about 12 uh panera dark roast just above that really that's what i get is the panera dark yeah so you're getting more caffeine than the lemonade people in your coffee what's that's got what i can't hear you my permanent hearing loss um duncan donuts is higher starbucks dark roast is higher almost 17 and bang i don't know what bang is that a drink that's the cherry drink the um it's like someone yeah it's a canned energy drink

that's cherry or pomegranate no cherry based it's some it's some youtube right something like that bing you know that might be thinking of bing that would make more sense because it's big and cherries yeah i think that's i think it's a influencer drink is it i think so i hate those but anyway bang's at the highest they're almost a full 20 so by just by the norms here the panera thing that people are worried about isn't even close to the one that's the highest in fact it's below the coffee you get for free yeah right oh good Good. So there you go.

Seems like bullshit a little bit. It does seem like bullshit. By the way, yeah, Bang does have the black cherry vanilla. I did have one of those ones at an airport. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah. Oh, the lowest?

Guess what the lowest is? The lowest amount of caffeine, but still containing caffeine? Yeah, and a commercial drink brand. Who has the low? And it'll be a brand you know. Let's say Arizona iced tea. Incorrect. It is Coca-Cola, 12-ounce can, only 34.

or, well, 2.3 per ounce. So, 2.83 per ounce, so about 34 total. Oh, that's not bad at all. No, it's low. Don't drink a Coke before bad. Yeah. It's pretty minor. Yeah.

The bang, 16 ounce bang is the one that, oh, 300, 300 what? Oh, milligrams of caffeine. So per serving, it's, I don't understand their chart, but whatever. Anyway, just be careful out there, everybody. Don't be drinking stuff. So Logan Paul, I guess, is the, is the one who's involved. there it is ex-tick-toker Logan Paul yeah it's fine you know what I'll say this his brother Jake he's a pretty good MMA fighter I'll give him that okay I'll give him that he's he's the actually

out there and I'm not a big MMA fan so I don't know all the ins and outs but it seems like he can kind of hold his own and they may people write in if I'm totally up in the night here but he seems like he can do it take all the other exposure out of it for a second and just focus on that I think He's a decent MMA fighter. And when Logan Paul does his WWE appearances, he seems fine there, too. Seems fine. Which, it was Logan that did the whole, like, I'm filming from a Japanese suicide forest. Yep.

That was, yeah, okay. We covered that right here, in fact, I think. We did. I think that's when I said I'm done with that whole family. Yeah. That was pretty lame. I mean, and by then, I mean, he had already been doing, I don't know, years of this. kind of stuff.

Shock videos and stuff. I mean, and YouTube and stuff. Yeah. I can't, I really don't. I don't work. I don't live around those circles, but I can tell you that I was Logan Box.

I didn't know that. But Jake Paul's MMA stuff is actually kind of fun to watch. So there's that. Okay. Thank you for that, Racer. We appreciate it. If you want to send in your own thoughts, feelings about any of this, or if you're an MMA fan and you think I'm totally wrong about Jake Paul's

placement in the MMA world, then send in a call or a voicemail or a, what do you call it, a text? And you can do that at 801-471-0-462 and let us know. Actually, people are disagreeing because it's Jake does boxing. Logan Paul is the one in WWE. Well, well, no. No, I knew he was in WWE.

I'm saying Jake Paul does, doesn't Jake Paul do some MMA? They're saying Jake does boxing. It's MMA, though, right? Or is it regular boxing? This is where, this is between you and the chat room, Scott. I'm just facilitating their messages to you. It's not an M-A yet, they say? Oh, I thought it was M-A.

Channel 13, it says only boxing for Jake. Oh, okay. But the TV's Travis says Jake does both. Maybe, why don't you guys all come together, get your information together. Yeah. I mean, I knew Logan did wrestling. Yeah, I knew Logan did wrestling, but I thought Jake Paul did the... And really, just report back to Scott because I don't give a shit about the...

Yeah, Brian doesn't care. I don't even care. I don't even really care, to be honest. Ain't nobody care about this. Yeah, like you said, I wrote off the whole Paul family years ago and never looked back. Yeah, I wrote him off when I went, Paul's not a last name. I'm out. That's right.

There is not a Paul family-sized hole in my life that I need to fill. No. May there never be. Maybe Aaron Paul, but nobody else. Oh, yeah, I do like Aaron Paul. I should not besmirch all Paul's. He's a good Paul. Right, he's a good Paul.

And RuPaul. Wait, RuPaul? Yeah, RuPaul. What about who's the one that makes the guitar? West Paul. West Paul? That's a good Paul. There's another good Pauls.

So there are some good Pauls. Yeah. These are decent Pauls. Yes. Don't let them ruin the rest of the pauls. Let's move on to some news. We have some news to cover, and it's important news, so here you go. Today's news brought to you by.

Brought you by Coverville today. Noon, Mountain Time at Twitch.tv. It's time to kick off your Sunday shoes with the 40th anniversary. of the soundtrack of a little film called Footloose. Yeah, they came out 40 years ago. What? Holy poop. So, of course, we're going to cover every single track from the album,

as well as the four bonus tracks that were added in the 15th anniversary release. So you hear it covers, of course, the title track. Let's Hear It for the Boy, Almost Paradise, Holding Out for a Hero, as well as Bang Your Head by Quiet Riot, Hurts So Good, by John. Melanchamp, foreigners waiting for a girl like you, because those played in the bar, I think, that they were at or something. There's some place in the movie they played

but weren't on the official soundtrack. So today, noon, mountain time, Twitch.tv.tv. Slash coverville playing some footloose and also playing some Marvel Snap. Nice. If I wasn't starting the Greg Street Show right then, I would drive to Lehigh and I would park

in front of the roller mill. In front of the flower. It's a fell hour. mill right yeah it's a big it's a place called lehigh roller mills it's a big flour mill and they make like pancake mixes and a million other things and uh it's still there and i could stand out by the freeway where john who was the dad or the lithgow lithgow duh where john lithgow is out there getting chewed out by his daughter or whatever the he or his wife uh i know right where that intersection is i could pull i could i could park right there so i'm going to do that i'm

do that to celebrate your 40th anniversary look at footloose. Why don't you just find some podunk dude and teach him how to dance and it'll look really weird and awkward because he doesn't know the rhythm. And then all of a sudden, he's a great dancer. Yeah, I could do that. I could do, in fact, I'd go right over to Lehigh High School, the 100-year-old high school where those scenes were filmed. And I could do that there. Yeah. I just pick a random high school student and teach him how to dance.

That's not weird. Is that weird? That's not weird at all. That's not weird. No. What's weird about that? Who would call that weird? Only weirdos would call that weird.

Only weirdos would call that weird. We have Florida in the story, or in the news. Florida story. Florida story. Check this out. These Florida monkeys can give you herpes. Oh, no. Yeah, you got to watch out.

Herpetic monkeys in Florida, there's, and here's where they've been found. So you can watch out for them if you're in Florida. Okay. These monkeys are called Rhes macaws or macaques. I thought they were called macaques. We went through this, right? We went through this, right? Were they macaques or macaques?

I think macaques is what we settled on, right? I cannot remember. Crap. Well, whatever it was. We obviously retained it really well, folks. We are sure about the Resees part, or the Rhesies. We're sure about the Rhesus part. Reesus monkeys.

Rees, now we don't know. It's Rises. Oh, it's absolutely Ries. Okay, it's Rheses. It's not that freaking done-away candy thing. It's macaques, but it's Rhesus. Monkeys. Reeses macaques.

Rees macaques. All right. I'm down. The man, the man likes how that is said. Here we go. Sorry, everybody. I may have just watched one of my favorite hours of TV last night.

All right? So just... It pays attention to the monkeys. I love him so much. I loved that finale. Oh, it was really good. No spoilers. I'm just saying that that finale and that final scene understands.

the exact ingredients, and I don't mean to be coy about that because of the whole guy into some actual ingredients. And we're talking about Fargo. We're talking about Fargo of season five. They have the exact ingredients of what makes Fargo Fargo.

From the very beginning, from the first film on through, they understand it better than anyone, and they nailed that. So for anyone who doesn't understand why it went down the way it went down or why it ended on the note it ended on, you don't understand Fargo.

It is so, so good. It's good. And, you know, we, again, not, not, certainly not giving anything away. But there's a, there's a character, a very, like, consistent kind of character that you find in a lot of the Fargo seasons, I would talk of Viam Vargas, but also in the Joel and Ethan Cohen movies. You brought up Anton Sugar. I say, I think goes even as far back as Raising Arizona and the, the demon bounty hunter on a motorcycle. That is this personification of evil and death and maybe a little bit of redemption, but still is like, you know, maybe appears at first glance to be the main antagonist, but really isn't when you kind of look at things. Yeah, you also end up with your piece of, there's always a supernatural element to Fargo.

Yeah. And it's always very understated and very weird. and its job is to distract you a little bit and have you go, wait a minute, what happened back there? Why is that? What, what? And then you go on and you're like,

wow, this is amazing, but I still got to think about that thing. Like, we can talk about season two who's so old, but in season two it was supposedly aliens, but we didn't never really know. There was no confirmation, but it was enough for you to be sort of bugged by it

the whole time in a good way. Oh, man. Yeah. I loved this season. I absolutely adored it. I thought it was great. People were amazing. That's really, really good.

Yeah, I need to, I'm going to go back as soon as I'm done with my current binge for recommendals. I think I'm going to go back and watch all the Fargo seasons from the beginning. Having done this recently with Kim, I can tell you, you'll enjoy every second of it. I'm sure I will, yep. Yeah, it's so good. All right, these monkeys. Cool, anyway, monkeys, Rhesus Maccax. That's right.

They were originally brought to Florida by the manager of a glass bottom boat operation. A-hole. Shouldn't have brought these over. They don't belong here. Yeah, you're kidding. These bunkeys don't belong in America. Get them out of here. So it's hard of them.

That's right. The monkeys swam away from the island into the surrounding forest breeding and increasing their numbers over the years, while the population of monkeys in the Silver Springs State Park area have reached 400 at some points. Trapping and removal efforts have kept them from getting out of hand entirely. As of 2015, FWC reports that there were around 190 inside this park. Anyway, nowadays, these monkeys can be found throughout the state. The sightings. likely stem from the group of monkeys at Silver Springs.

Aside from the environmental concerns, these monkeys pose a threat to public health, as rhesus macaques in Florida have tested positive for herpes B. Herpes B, everybody. Herpes B, I don't know the different herpes. One of them is just the cold sores, right? Right. The one is like the full-on.

There's herpes, sorry, hepatize. There's herpes, syplex. What are we all, we all told me you're younger? Herpes simplex is that, yes, it all came from. It all came from Eddie Murphy, didn't it? Wasn't it at all like... I feel like it was. You're talking about...

You know, your dick falls off. It was his joke. Yeah, it was from raw, I believe. It was from raw, yeah. Oh, that was such forbidden fruit when we were growing up. It really was. And it's so... Looking back now, sadly, how tame it is compared to the stuff.

Oh, it's almost nothing now. I mean, it's still, it's raunchy, but it's nothing like, I don't know. Yeah. I'm trying to think of somebody. Even, like, Heaven Hearts act as a little more raunchy most of the time. Well, anyway, the point here is this can lead to, so this one you can get from a scratch is all it takes. And it can lead to severe brain damage and even death. The virus is transmitted by these monkeys through bite scratches or contact with their bodily fluids.

So sex, too. Don't have sex with the recess macaques. Yeah, or spit or a scratch fight or. Don't make out with them. Don't have a little thunder dome going on with the recess. macaques no be careful down there you guys we worry about florida in lots of ways but you know in this way i really do uh also clarifies it we just got it clarified for us one is cold sores two is genital lumpy bumps but it doesn't explain what b a and b and that sort of thing so simplex

one and two are those that's what it was simplex one and two okay that makes sense b i assume there's a yeah because if there's a b there'd be like hepatitis b right like you've got the same we're not you know obviously not related but named that way for the same reasons that there's hepatitis a and hepatitis b there's no connection for some reason when i hear herpes i think i think about um scurvy that's not connected to this right that's a no not enough vitamin c or something right exactly that's that's why british people are nicknamed limies because yeah they on the ships they brought the limes with them to stave off scurvy that's right because the because the citrus was Because it's a pirate thing.

It's like a maritime 1700s deal. I think so, yeah. All right. Look at us with a really hot, important information today. Here's another story. This is in Key West, so we're staying in Florida for this. Key West ice cream parlor has a $250 ice cream bar on their menu. People just do this for the...

Brian, are you just realizing this? But I mean, it's like, they don't really want people to buy this. They want people to talk about it so that it's on the menu. They don't care if anybody buys their $6,000 steak because it's got gold leaf on top. They just want people to talk about it. I think you're right. I think that if they do sell some, that's a bonus, but the real investment here is exposure. Is this publicity exactly.

Almost always. And here we are helping them have it, I guess. That's what we're doing. We're doing their work for them. Fine, fine, we'll do it. Now, funny enough, it references the very first. line of the story. He references an Eddie Murphy bit, which we were just talking about

in a totally different context. From that same, it was either from raw or from delirious, right? I got some ice cream. I got some ice cream. Yep. That's what they're referring to here. But I can't afford it, that whole thing. Because you're on welfare.

It says, but in this real life, it's here in Florida. Key West ice cream parlor, dozy bespoke ice cream bar? Ugh. Bespoke. I hate the word bespoke. I really hate it. It's fine for like, you know, handmade greeting cards or stuff that's embroidered and stuff like that. But I don't, the whole, like, bespoke ice cream.

Yeah. I don't like it. I hate the term. It just doesn't. It's one of those words, too, that just bugs me, like, laboratory or. Right, right, right. I don't know what else. I can't think anything.

A gymnasium. I hate them. Anyway, this place, this bespoke ice cream bar there in Key West, they have the most expensive ice cream in the world. It's called the Toak Bar or Toque Bar, Toak Bar, I don't know, there's a, there's a, there's a, yeah, like, it's almost like Anuque, like it's written in a nuke or something. Oh, right, because it could be. But Key West, not a, probably not a big Inuit crowd there. $250 price tag, if you want one. And at doozies, they'll make you one custom to order.

First, by using their luxury vanilla bar. And then, that sounds like a thing I'd wash myself with in the shower. Right. Dipping the bar into a premium chocolate coating. Next up, the bartender picks up a hermese spoon to scoop up the shaved morsels. It's pronounced Hermes. Is it Armes? It's an Hermes.

It's not Hermes. It's not Hermes. No, it's Armes. Even though that spells Hermes? Even though it's spelled Hermes. Yeah. Oh, oh, English mixed with other old languages. What have you done to us?

Yeah, yeah. Unless you're talking about the messenger. That's Hermes. Yeah, Hermes, the Greek. Hermes. He was played by Paul Schaefer in the Disney movie. Oh, in Hercules. Hercules, yeah.

I love that they got Paul Schaefer for that. I just thought that was great. Anyway. Ah, ah, ha, ha, Hercules. Yeah, hey, babe, hey, babe. Elin it. Uh, her me, sorry, Hermes, ermes, is that he said? Eremes spoon to scoop up the shaved morsels of the most expensive and rarest chocolate in the world to whack chocolate and places it right on the bar.

When they cover the bar with edible 24K gold leaf, there's the gold again. Yeah. To top off with sugar diamonds. Okay. Sugar diamonds. Take this right off the menu. They probably did. Probably, yes.

What a bunch of mish. mash. It's hilarious that the cost of this stupid thing even includes the use of an Hermes spoon. Yeah. Yeah. Like who brings that up in case, unless you're trying to just fill us full of crap. And the server will be wearing a givanchi shoes and L'Ancombe perfume. Here's what the owner says.

If customers do not have the big bucks to spend on that bar, This place is filled with unique Wonka-like wonders for everyone, including a $3.50 cup of frozen yogurt for you that you can make a doozy bar one of the, sorry, or you can make a doozy bar one of the favorites, that's weird, which is a Mr. Beast chocolate almond bar. Ooh, another internet sensation. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Doesn't he, he does good stuff, doesn't he, though? I mean, I've, I've, yeah, as YouTubers go. I think I rolled my eyes at a Mr. Beast thing. And then Tristan's like, well, yeah, he did this whole, you know, $250,000. I'm going to do the squid game myself, do the squid games myself with contestants. Yeah. But then he ended up giving some of the money to charity.

And it's like, come on, do enough to make me hate the guy. Don't do stuff like. He does stuff where he goes overseas and gets people surgeries. He can't get in normally and things like that. That's the kind of person I'd like to be if I was, you know, a. rich TikTok YouTube whatever influencer dude but still

I forget what his follower account is but he's got the number one subscription total on YouTube and probably everywhere else but yeah the guy's huge he's huge and he's doing good stuff so how can you know

Claire it's just it's jealousy I'm sure Claire says it's all drug money says Claire I'm sure that's it yeah exactly yeah I'm sure it's all drug money It's like this Mexican restaurant I go to up the street. They're just laundering for the cartels. I just know it.

That's going to do it for today's news. We're going to take a break. When we come back, we will have some time with my sister Wendy. She's got some stuff to talk about. We talked about shadowing or the shadow stuff some weeks ago. We got a follow-up to that. So we're going to discuss that after this break. Let's legitimize this business that we got going on here.

And just to clarify, we were talking about that supernatural vibe in a kind of country, western-ish feel. You still haven't watched Outer Range. No, it's in my permanent cue. I just still haven't watched it, but I want it. Yeah. Oh, God, get on it. Because that is so up your alley.

It might as well be labeled Scott Johnson Street. Wow, really? Okay. Well, I mean, I knew I was going to be, I mean, everything about it looks like it's my kind of thing. And I love Thanos and I love those actors and the other guy from... Roland's Great and what's her face from Say Anything is Great. and just this whole supernatural element is great. It's great. It's great. It's great. It's great. Well, what I'm getting from this conversation is that it's great.

So I'm going to watch it. Yeah. Have I mentioned that it's great? Okay, well, let's get into this. Oh, man. Oh, this is so good. You guys are in for a treat if you're listening to the recorded version of the show. Sorry, live people. We love you more, but you're not getting this. This is some trip hop for you, some instrumental trip hop. So the God, father of down tempo and trip hop is this guy named Eric Hilton. And he's got a brand new album that just came out called Sound Vagabond. He's released a few singles from it. This is some kick-ass trip-hop right here.

Let you know this is the first of the singles. It is Midnight Milan. Believe me, you're going to hear this and you're going to want to hear more and more and more of it. Here's Eric Hilton and Midnight Milan. We're going to be able to be. So, I'm going to be able to be. You know, So, you know,

I'm going to be able to be. Hello? What planet are you living on? Do you need mental help? Do you need to go and see the doctor? Many faces becomes demon-possessed by drinking a magical potion that Skeletor gives in. And we've returned. Tell me who that was one more time, please. Eric Hilton. He's got a brand new album called Sound Vagabond. It's actually coming out February 23rd. So you're just going to get the first three singles right now, but that's enough to get you well and satiated until the album comes out. That's the first of the three singles. It's called Midnight Milan. Check out more music by Eric Hilton. And big thanks to Clarion Call Records for sending me that one. That's awesome. I mean, they're always good, these middle of the show songs. So there. Well, thank you. Even that cool techno thing yesterday, which I love that. Was that great? Yeah, I loved it. That was really good.

I tried to mix it up. I'd like have, you know, here's something that's a little bit more pop, but here's something that's like more industrial or EDM when this trip hop stuff. Yeah, like to mix things up, baby. All right. Check this out. Oh, hi. I'll explain the situation to Wendy. Don't worry. Hi, it's Wendy, everyone. Look who it is. It's Wendy, who never likes to come into the show and not be acknowledged right away. She has to say hi. Hello. Hello.

She got things to do, people to see, people to help. It's all right. It's what we get. Hey, we got a question to ask you before we get into this thing today. It came up earlier about kind of our childhood roles and when maybe you thought you were going to be well geared to be to specialize in what you do now. Yeah. When did you know that you were good at this whole, that you wanted to go into this whole therapy thing? Yeah.

When was that? If you had to get it. have you had to guess because I feel like it happens when you're younger and you were the you were always the one that was like not a peacemaker but you were pragmatic in a way that nobody else seemed to be so if we were in a long hot drive to um lake pal and terrah's being a nightmare and dad's cranky and mom's irritated and everything blah blah blah blah when he always seemed to be the pragmatic one about well now here's what we have to do before we can get there and even when you were young i felt like that so i could be i could be applying

Just my own memory to this, and that's why I think you ended up where you ended up. But maybe there is an official answer. So what is it? Oh, that's interesting. It's actually something I grapple with a little bit because I find it really fascinating how people do the jobs they do. Because there's usually, I don't know, some fun psychological tie to it. And that's not always the case, but like, you know, someone's deep need for stability

is going to probably be drawn to something that has seemed stable and they stay there whether they like it or not, you know, stuff like that. So I find it really fascinating. And I've had, I mean, I've met some of the weirdest people I know are therapists. So sometimes I'm like, oh, no, am I unaware of why I do this? So I have, I grapple with a little bit, but to be honest, this story is actually pretty dumb. I just remember I just always really liked school

and it was fun and I liked people those two fundamental things probably helped in this regard but I when I was in college I did political science because I love that and then I ended up choosing psychology because it was fast and I was poor

so I wanted to be done fast and then like I liked it I mean I wouldn't say I had the best classes. It wasn't like I met any professor and I was like, this is it. But I finished and I graduated and remember that family friend of ours got Michelle Dare. Oh yeah. Yeah, she was great. She was like my basketball coach, kind of like a mentor before I knew people had mentors. She was awesome. And she worked at the University of Utah in the social research institute. She had a PhD in social work.

And she hired me to do these interviews. So I would go around to people's houses and interview them for this is this is this is this is wonky and going back in the day but i don't know if remember the tanniff block grants that clinton passed in the 90s um essentially basically kicking people off uh welfare if they didn't if they weren't engaged in um job seeking activities um the overall success of that program is very questionable um but at the time i was looking at what made people resilient and then kind of also diagnosing some depression like hey you're being forced to work and search for work for three to four months or then suddenly you're without benefits.

Anyway, I'm going too into the weeds. But I'm in these people's houses. I'm doing all these interviews and loving it. It's really interesting. And then I got to know all these people at the U. And she's like, why don't you do grad school? And I was like, yeah, I guess I will. And then you did.

And I did. And I really, the whole time in grad school, I was planning on doing policy and just kind of poverty issues and sort of, I was interested in all that stuff. And then all of my training was like clinical. Like my practicals were clinical. And I was like, well, I guess I'm okay that this.

And then suddenly this is my life. Yeah, that's interesting. I was, part of me thought I was a little nervous you were going to say, well, there was this, here's where I started. There was this time my brother chased me through the house with a hot iron, soldering iron. I thought it was hot. Well, that maybe was related. Well, that's good to hear.

No, that's interesting. I don't think I've ever really talked to you about that before. So I think dad, dad was always so intrigued by people. Like he spent a lot of time really talking to people and like them. And I always felt like I have a little of that. Like I just think people are great and are interesting. And so it kind of came together. But then there are days where I'm like, did I even sign up for this?

Like that's, you know, it's probably like anything, right? You just have those days. I get that. Well, we're glad you did what you did because now you're here doing it. That's right. It's so funny because, like, personality-wise, sense of humor-wise, and a lot of other ways, Wendy and I are like almost identical in some ways. But there's this one part of us that is so different.

And it's her analytical thing versus my artie-farty thing, right? And it's weird because it's the one thing. like we'll laugh at the same stupid jokes. You'll say things on this show that people are like, oh my gosh, that may as well have been Scott said that. Like that happens all the time. But there's that one weird bit that separates us.

And we're surrounded by Koreans our whole lives. You know, we're the only real blood siblings. Well, my brother's a half-blood sibling. But Wendy and I are the only full blood siblings. And, you know, we have a really interesting cultural milieu that we grew up in.

So it always felt like, oh, yeah, it's normal and natural. that Wendy and Scott are kind of on the same page all the time. They're kind of the same person in a lot of ways. But I hated school. You loved school. You

find hard people interesting. They drive me crazy. There's like this there's these one or two little areas and I think it's the big, that's where we separated or that's where we, not separated, but that's where we be, you know, it became clear that we were, we were going to have

very different endpoints to our lives. And then to satisfy the universe or the gods with all their sense of humor, I have to raise you in my child. So we have a term for it. It's called a Pete Nato. So what is Pete currently doing? And you guys, this is what he's currently doing.

He has a class where his assignment is to program a choose your own adventure game, which, by the way, how is that school? I know. You're kidding me. That is teaching a skill that's like being able to go into programming, which my school would have... That's, I think that's your point, right? That's your whole point. Pretty amazing.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's like giving, I don't know, giving a tool to a scary person. Anyway, okay, so he's going to make... So he says, he's like, just dinner, we're like, oh, yeah, what are you excited about? And he's like, oh, yeah, for this class, I got a program, I choose your own adventure. Pretty basic. And then he uses a bunch of words I've never heard.

And then he says, Yeah, you know, the trolley problem? And I'm like, what? Oh, wow. He goes, yeah, my choosing my own adventure is the trolley problem. I'm like, you're going to build a game where someone chooses to run over one person or chooses to run over five people and kill them. Wow.

He's like, yeah. And he goes, and I got like 10 scenarios. And we had to convince him to make it like trolley gummy worms and that you run over a gummy worm. Oh, hilarious. Okay. Because he's like, I was like, first of all, you can't, this is too gory. He's like, yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to, anyway, it was just very funny.

Yeah, I mean, what happens when you get to the page? Oh, if you chose to run over one person, one, one gummy worm, go to page 392 or whatever it is in the video game. Yeah, you ran over it. Congratulations, you, you know, you made that choice. Yeah. So that happened. It's just surrey. And also, I should, I'd give you a picture of his worm.

He'd kill me, though. but his room, Scott, probably looks like your room if someone didn't come and clean it for you. I mean, it's so it's fun. Oh, I had the worst rooms growing up. This is totally true what you're saying. Oh, my gosh. All right. You're raising her.

I got to, you know what, in a lot of ways I raised you with Taylor. She's just like you in tons of ways. So we're just switching off. It's fine. I know. It's not weird, though. That whole thing is. It is so weird.

But it's good and it's good. It's good. But I think, Scott, I think school is a structure that just doesn't work for your brain. Yeah. And I think for me, school was just like a place to meet people. Yeah. Yeah. So it was really fun that way.

And then, you know, like I could just figure out what teachers wanted and give it to them. You know, like that wasn't hard for me where you, I think we're like. Yeah. And you were the one that, you know, you were reading, reading whole books out loud in your room and, you know, just always studying and always like, oh, homework. done already done and then you'd be out goofing off with your friends or whatever and i would be like i don't want to do it and i'd spend days trying to talk myself out of doing it you spend more time lamenting it and avoiding it than just doing it yeah i should just done it basically that's my mom would say and i used to hate that but that's exactly true so anyway well that's a fun look under the

under the hood everybody of how this all works and it actually relates to what we're going to talk oh it does does it interesting all right well i'm going to read it this is something windy god this is in relation to the whole my shadow thing we talked about not long ago and it is from somebody we're called self-sabotaging S or no we can say it because it's not the real name because I said in parentheses self-sabotaging Susan

it's not the person's real name Dear Wendy I've been struggling with recurring patterns of self-sabotage in my romantic relationships despite genuinely desiring connection and intimacy I find myself pushing partners away after a while in creating unnecessary conflicts to facilitate our demise.

That is a dark sentence. It's as if there's a self-destructive force at play and I'm left bewildered by my own actions. You talked about The Shadow on a recent show. I'm wondering if that is what I'm experiencing. How might the aspects of, quote, my shadow, unquote, be influencing these destructive patterns and is there a way to navigate through this to create healthier connections? I'm eager to understand how exploring and addressing my shadow might, offer insights into breaking this cycle and fostering more meaningful relationships.

Help and thank you, says self-sabotaging Susan. All right. I bet a lot of people can relate to this one. I can early in my life anyway. Oh, really? Oh, I'm the big idiot. I'm the biggest idiot in the world. We were engaged.

We were two, three months away from the wedding. And I called Kim and said, I don't know if I'm ready for this. It's just cold feet. But I was just like, I don't know if I can do it. it. I had all these plans. I had the stuff I wanted to do it. I don't know if I can do it. And she said, fine, and hung up on me. And I realized then that she, I had to get her back. I was like, what I did? That was her reaction. Because if she had, if she had kind of fought back and said, no, no, you got to go through with this. Pushing back on you might have like pushed you the wrong direction, pushed you away further as opposed to like, oh, crap, she's gone.

No, this ain't right. Oh, turn around. Undew. 100% she would have been she would have if she would have broken down and cried or something it would have had the wrong it would have have an effect on me where I would have used that as justification is right but instead I went oh my gosh good I got out when I did yeah and for me it was like nope this is a strong this is the person this is a personality you need in your life why are you pushing this person away and I immediately regretted it and she even went on another date just to piss me off and then it all worked out in the end but but but But yeah, like that was the moment I knew she was the one I had to marry was when I tried to get out of it. It was funny that you have to do that sometimes. But anyway, I'm sure people in our audience can relate to this sort of feeling, though, feeling like maybe you're the one self-sabotaging everything. Maybe they are, maybe they're not. So Wendy, what do you want to do with Susan and anyone else? Well, first of all, Susan, thank you for giving me my much dreamed about shadow email.

I've been just waiting for someone because it's a really fun topic, which I'll get into in a second. but I just want to start with the established pattern of it. So when you, Scott, your story's great and interesting and a one-off. Yeah. Meaning you haven't then gone through and married 20 times and, you know, continue to destroy your relationships without knowing why, right? So we all make mistakes. We're all learning, you know, you kind of navigate adolescence and early adulthood with like,

how does this whole relationship thing work? and usually it's not until you're a little older Susan didn't say how old they are but um you know usually there's enough like baggage and body strewn that you're like I have a pattern I have a a self-sabotaging and and there's maybe not the details but I'm going to fill in some so maybe they fit maybe they don't but this might resonate with people um sometimes when things are going really well um that's your biggest clue that you're a self-sabotager is if something is actually going well and you just cannot handle the happiness. It working out or things feeling good,

there's something going on there that just doesn't, you have to blow it up, right? A great example. I was talking to a client earlier just about their relationship with their mother. And as the client is getting healthier and detangling themselves from this relationship and the toxic stuff that goes on between her and her mother,

she's able to see what's happening, which is this idea of, oh, if I don't engage in the fight, my mom does not know what to do. And so she has to get bigger and louder. Or, hey, we had a really good day. And at the end of the day, she has to drop a bomb to ruin what happened. And when you can have enough space to back up and see it, someone else self-sabotaging, you're like, oh, that makes sense. When it's ourselves, it's a little harder because we're just in our feelings.

We're just in our experience. And like, yeah, I don't know if this person's good for me. and maybe you're talking yourself out of the healthiest relationship you've ever had. Or you are constantly seeking dysfunctional relationships and can't figure out why. Those are self-sabotaging as well. Often this can happen at work. You know, you sort of just blow a presentation that's supposed to be the chance for you to advance. Or, you know, you can find lots of ways of where we just, you know, sort of drop the ball or break something up when it might have.

have been better for us to do that. Okay. So let's get into how do you understand this? First of all, it really helps to have someone outside of you because it is hard to do this internally. But if you just got you, maybe talk in the mirror. And so what I'm going to do is I'm going to go through just a little bit of what the shadow is and what Carl Jung is about and, you know, kind of give a foundation to that and then talk about how you actually do a little shadow work. That's what That's what we call it. Okay. So essentially, Carl Jung is a contemporary of Freud.

He's a little younger than him. He died after him. I think he died in 1961. And Freud died in, forget. 50s. 30s. 50s. 58?

Something like that. Oh, there's a new movie about that of Hannibal Lecter. I can't think he was name all of a sudden. Anthony Hopkins is Freud's, and it's Freud's last session and he did it with C.S. Lewis. There's a whole, people are raving about this thing. Yeah, I'm very excited. Anyway. Cool. Okay, so he did die in 1939.

So he... Oh, 30s. Geez. Okay. Yeah. So he died in 39. Born in 86, whereas Jung was born in 75 and died in 61. So he was passed him a little bit. Both Austrian, Swiss area, a lot of... The birth of this comes from that region.

Good job, everybody. Anyway, and so he made huge contributions. I would argue he's, you know, he's... He's one of the big three in that era. And so really groundbreaking cool stuff. And he made some switches from what Freud kind of focused on. And we like to joke about what Freud was all about, you know. But there's some fun differences.

And really, Jung kind of brought in more the idea of collective unconsciousness. So we get the ideas Freud kind of brought about some of that personal unconscious, your id, your ego, that kind of stuff, right? Whereas Jung was a little bigger, like, ooh, there's these big things we all experience. And that's like, sometimes when we're on the show here, we talk about a topic, and everyone's like, oh, it resonates, right? I mean, how does it resonate with every one of us? Well, it's because it has some universal experience or archetype going on.

So he talks, Jung talked a lot about archetypes. So, and I've mentioned this on the show before, we have like the archetype type of the perfect mother or the perfect father or the archetype of you know what love is supposed to be it's this idea and anything we get less than that ideal um feels like loss right template kind of thing that you're always trying to achieve yeah and somehow we all share it without having talked about it which is which is kind of cool uh and so his his work on the unconscious is really about potential for growth and creativity and so there's some cool um things about that like especially um when you're in a really dark place or moods are not you don't

feel awesome and sometimes you can be more creative in some of that space so these are early days of him sort of talking about um creativity and some of these dark parts of us um and it's like an untapped potential right you kind of saw this in this very positive way which is really cool um whereas Freud was just like, you're repressed, you know, look at me. I'm now making fun of Freud. Okay. So, but, and then this idea of repression, Jung really saw that as it was a defense mechanism and it keeps us from seeing parts of our psyche that we are just not ready to see. And I would, I would argue from my experience with people, this is so real that our brain has this incredible function to just hide something we can't handle from us until we can handle it.

So my favorite thing in therapy is when somebody's like some dark shadow parts show up and they can see it. And, you know, I'm with them and we work through and they're okay. But I know, I already know it's safe enough to be there because their brain let them have it, if that makes sense. So it's really, really fun to witness. Is that, I mean, you know, you should hear about reprim. feelings or thoughts or experiences, somebody went through some trauma and then blocked it out

entirely. That is literally your brain saying, you can't handle this right now. So to protect you and we're going to hide this back here. Some people think it's, yeah, go ahead. I was going to say a lot of people think it's crap. They think people are lying or faking it or whatever. But that is a real physiological thing, right? Blocking out things.

And here's what I love. I would love to know why someone would think that's crap. And it's probably because the A, one of two things. One, they've just never experienced it. So it's just like, I don't believe things I haven't experienced, which is weird. The second being, that's really feels out of control, like scary to you to think, hey, that. And people think everyone else is attention seeking when really for them that that's actually what they think. They think if they did something like that would be attention seeking, right?

So it actually says more about them, right? Or like, I'd just be interested in like, whoa, how can you not imagine this happening? And when I see it in real life, like, all the time, it is, it's really fascinating. So you know when someone has something dawn on them in front of you, right? You know that feeling like, oh, that's right. They kind of light up and there's just like a facial experience that they have. It's like that times 20 where they're just like, oh, like because it's like the door open. and their brain goes, yeah, this thing happened, right?

Or the, and it's often, let's be clear, we're not talking about, there is some suppression of memory and it's fuzzy or some different things, and you don't quite know that you can mess around and make some guesses. This is a different sort of principle that's actually occurring. It's like two wires cross that have not been allowed to cross, and there's, it's mechanical. can't describe it any other way. And so, yeah, you can fish around and try to make up a story about a vague memory.

That's like a different thing maybe people are thinking it is. This really is something quite different. And so you saw that as potential and this, like, amazing way the brain is managing sort of either, well, Buckahead, Freud just saw it as like, oh, it's just managing trauma. It's managing bad experiences, right? which, you know, on some extent, is true. But you have this very much like, when they're ready and they can integrate it, they are going to grow in leaps and bounce.

Like, it's a growth model, which I really like. By the way, can I just point out that that is one of our similarities when you couldn't remember Freud's name at first? You went ahead and landed on buckethead. I do that with everything I can't think of. And I love it. Anyway, sorry, continue. You also say buckethead, the exact word? Oh, I say bucket head.

the time sometimes it's uh uh something mix something uh just make it up right just make it up on the fly yeah yeah anyway sorry i don't even hear myself say bucket head ever and so sometimes people are like oh you just said bucket head when i'm like talking about someone we should be nice about it you know it's a problem anyway so psychoanalyze that okay uh all right the other last just couple things really quick um he the the concept of instinct Freud was very much like everything is sexual or aggressive instincts. Those are our primary drivers, right? He really reduced us all to those things.

Whereas Jung, really, it's beyond that to the archetypes, the shadow, and just broader human stuff. So it's just growth, right? You got you, Freud, and then Yun came along and made it better. Anyway, and then my favorite part about his stuff is just about how it's a developmental concept of individuating as a person, and it's a lifelong thing to be your true and unique self.

So just always growth-oriented, right? But the shadow work is really crucial to that. So think about somebody, could be yourself, could be someone else, who just feels like they are not growing up. Like it drives you crazy. You're like, you are 45. How have you not? Why are you throwing a fit like you're a teenager?

Or some version of like seeming developmentally stuck. I assume you guys know people like, like this yeah probably i mean it's where and you're not talking about hey i can't believe at age 45 you still like the power rangers it's not like that you're saying like they act like they they act like petulant 17 year olds or you know right on an emotional level or whatever it just doesn't seem to be the maturing like who's the adult in the story you should be but you're not it can kind of just feel like that or they're creating problems that you're like what there's no need to respond this way. Just find that, you know, a petulant 17-year-old would act exactly like that. And so it's a little

confusing, right? So those, that kind of stuff is, you know, that's maybe the most frequent version you'll see walking around. Then you have the, I keep marrying the wrong men and keep ending up in these same terrible circumstances. Or I cannot keep the job that is my dream job. What keeps happening here what is happening right so that's more of the the average person's experience with sort of these underlying things going on for them the unconscious or what we're going to call the shadow okay so let me just tell you real quick what the shadow is okay when you when i say the shadow or shadow work first of all what do you guys picture well last time physical actual shadow basically yeah same i said the one the thing on the wall behind me because the sun shaned

shining that way that's what i think of yeah okay so and if you think about that you can see your shadow if you look at it. But if you are looking other directions, the light is in a particular place and then the shadow is behind you, you don't really pay much it to it. You don't see it, right? And like a kid and their shadow is the kind of energy you want to bring to actual shadow work, which is really curious. Like, what is this? Can I step on this? Ooh, it's tucked in my foot or, you know, whatever, right? Just paying attention to it, right? So Carl's theory, Carl, I'm calling him Carl now. Carl Jung's theory.

It's basically that the shadow represents the unconscious and repressed aspects of our personality. So each person's stuff, right? So these elements are often inconsistent with that person's self-image, right? And so, for example, I think I'm a good person. Okay, so it's usually not consistent with that. And it may include qualities, design. desires, emotions that are considered socially unacceptable, morally objectionable, or personally like, blah, right?

Like, that's the, it's the dark stuff. And so, and they stay usually shadowed or closeted or, you know, denied. Repressed, yeah. Right? Repressed because you can't, there's no way to integrate that you, who you need to be a good person and everyone respects, but you've got this dark side to you that no one gets. to see. So you hide it, you deny it. And in that state, man, it's where people make a lot of dumb choices and behave in ways that don't make a lot of sense because that effort to keep the

shadow as a shadow, you know, messes with things. So often I think about, and maybe we've talked about this on the show before, I know we have, but people who's like public persona is like terribly inextricably connected with their shadow stuff and then we all see it you know so it was the lady who started Mothers Against drunk driving and then eventually worked became a board member of Budweiser and you're like what? What? I didn't know that. Wow.

Yeah. Or the girl who started the teen abstinence program around the country was like the face of it got pregnant at 16. it's like that like doth doubt thou dost protest too much yeah it's a favorite of scots yeah one of my favorite one of my most hated things about people

when I if and I Wendy this is probably a bad thing and maybe one day we'll talk about it but my automatic assumption when somebody is over talking about a thing that they're really into and I don't mean things they like I mean things they tell other people they should do or how they should live

I never trusted as soon as I hear like a I don't know a preacher going gays and drugs they're the worst things i am like yeah i know what you're up to on the weekend yeah can't wait until we get the news story of finding you in a in a hotel room with a male prostitute and covered with cocaine yeah covered with a bag of weed in your back pocket and four pounds of freaking meth like i always happens or not always happens a lot and i hate it so right and that's when you get caught right yeah often it is it is maybe more um subtle than that or insidious than that

and it comes out in lots of different ways. Yeah, totally. That's a perfect example of the shadow allowing, not exploring the shadow, not understanding and not doing any of that work means it comes out sideways and poisons things. It just does, right? Right.

And you have to, your public persona has to double down to manage the darkness of that shadow, right? And it's shame management. it's embarrassment management, it's self-loathing management, right? So you're all this energy to manage this shadow. And I'm going to tell you, there's a really simple answer, and that is to work with your shadow. Now, I say simple, but really hard, right?

Because that means really looking at stuff. And, you know, most of us are built to not do that. Literally our brain teaches us, I mean, has a chemical, biological underlying mechanism that locks us out of that stuff we can't handle, right? So it's a matter of like even even acknowledging your shadow exists, which yeah, a lot of people don't do. Number one, right? Like number one. And when I don't, have you met anyone who has said, oh, I'm doing shadow work?

Like, is this ever been in the conversation? Not that I can think of like shadow. I've heard of shadow boxing. I've heard of shadow puppetry. but other than that all the things you've heard I've never heard anybody go oh today's the damn wrestling

with my shadow. Doing some shadow. Yeah. Working in my shadow. Yeah. Well, they're hidden on a on a bus in a middle school

field trip because I'm telling you right now Adam was on a bus with all these parents chaperoning and he looks over and the guys got a book by Adler who is the third big wig of the 19th century.

In psychology, And Adam's like, oh, what do you read, Melz? He's, well, I've been thinking of the shadow. It was amazing. This guy's like a real estate agent. And Adam's like, okay, I was not expecting this conversation. Wow. So I'm telling you, there are people working on their shadow, but maybe aren't saying it out loud.

Okay. So the idea, though, and this is what the work would kind of look like, right? You essentially, so a therapist, Jungian therapist specifically, their job is to do shadow work, help an individual explore, and integrate these hidden aspects into their lives. And that fosters self-awareness. They can then develop and grow. There's not that stuckness anymore. And so by embracing the shadow,

they basically can have a more balanced, authentic personality. It's actually the crappy parts about people's personality are often, now I'm making this more holistic. There's other factors here, but often can be this dynamic, right? Someone who is bragging and you're just like,

They're the most annoying person because they're always bragging. Is that a born-in trait? No. That is a response to something, right? Either a defense of their shadow or basically them going the other direction, doubling down in the other direction from something. Right. Or your childhood experience that makes you really self-conscious and uncomfortable in this situation.

And so you need people to like you. And so you do the thing that makes me more and like you. Or things like that. Yeah, totally, totally. Okay, so that's the idea of why you would work with your shadow, right? And so if anyone's in therapy who's listening, just ask your therapist to do a little shadow work with you. You probably really should get a union psychologist to help you. But most people are familiar with kind of this idea, right?

And so Brian, you were saying, the existence of it at its very core is a big deal for some people to even realize, right? And to recognize how it's formed can be helpful, which is usually your experience being socialized and your own personal experience. So where you grew up, who you grew up around, you know, all of that background information really plays a part in what is going on with your shadow. I have this great client who has some scrupulosity and he's so fun to work with because he grew up in a home with zero like religious trauma, like essentially. lots of, lots of space to just do whatever he wanted. And then he has a scrupulosity. And we like to joke that he was raised, you know, as an altar boy. Like he has that deep, deep, his shadow is always just trying to keep him from, trying to look at his shadow. It means it blocks it from seeing anything in there that's dark. And so your socialization could look like, oh, this makes sense. I

was the son of a preacher. So this is why I'm hiding all of my porn. or whatever it might be, right? Or not at all. It could be something completely different, but that socialization plus your own experiences kind of and your natural processes will create whatever your shadow is, right? Yeah. And so real quick, the shadow is not all negative.

I should also mention sometimes it's got negative and positive aspects. Usually we're focused on the undesirable stuff, but it can also have hidden talents, desires, positive potential, right? Can you use it as a... Yeah, what's a good example of that? That's a great question. Me and my artistic ability, right? I don't have a lot of shame about it because, like, I don't identify with it very much. But honestly, like, I really like sketching.

And I do it every day. And I think I'm terrible. And then sometimes my kids find it and they're like, oh, my gosh, this is so good. Who did this? I'm like, ha. Not me. Yeah, almost everyone I know who thinks they're too. terrible artist has something in them that they just they just think is terrible but it's fine

it's good exactly exactly and so maybe we keep that hidden or you know i just told all of you but like it's out now because now what if scott you were just like well i'm secretly a therapist but i have no way to say that yeah right it'd be weird it would be weird so but for it to be a positive thing you've got to be well more aware of it nobody's got like a a a shadow that they're repressing that is a positive it's more like you consciously hide it if not necessarily not necessarily it could be it could be somewhat conscious but it could also just be avoidant like um i don't know you know i think they kind of are drawn to some stories of people who are like their talents are discovered accidentally right okay i don't want i don't want to sing

no don't make me sing and then they turn out to be karen boyle or whatever right you know what it You know what it is for me? It's like, maybe this is a good example. Maybe it isn't, so you have to tell me. But growing up, we had some moments of real financial trouble in the family. My dad lost his business. We had to sell the boat, the motorhome, the house got taken. We had to go on a sort of a local form of welfare for a while.

It was like rough. And I was in high school. I was 15 or something, 14. And it was hard, especially because we were in this very, I say affluent, but, you know, it was a nice neighborhood, big houses, everybody's successful, whatever. And then all of that gets torn away. You get to kind of see who your real friends are, blah, blah, blah. And I remember, you know, I've told the story on this show before, but we, you know, we had somebody in a religious capacity, say to my dad, well, this is all happening because there's something about your life. You're not living right or something. And I heard that story and it never left me to this day. That is like a burning hot example of terrible behavior.

It's also came from the same guy that lost his business a year later and committed suicide. So there's a whole story there. But anyway, another doth protesting much moment. But those things were so, those were so like bright, brightly lit moments in my life that it's a shadow in a negative way. But it's very motivating. And it's why I never ask anyone for help. It's why I think it spawned independence, maybe to a detriment in some ways. I don't like to ask for help ever, and there are times where I need it and won't

acknowledge it or won't accept it. And it's with simple stuff, if we move house, we've done a few times in our marriage, we don't tell anyone usually, and we just move. We pack it ourselves, we loaded ourselves, and then sometimes someone will muscle their way in there, and then I feel guilty that they're helping, but I don't ask for it. And some people have no problem going, hey, help me move this pea mattress on a Saturday morning. I can't do it, right? I just can't do it. And I don't know. I think it came from that because I never ever want to be on anyone's charity. Right, right. I hate the idea. So in some

ways, that's been a real positive thing in my life because it spawned a lot of independence and me going, I can do this and I can do it without anyone's help and I will do it without anyone's help. You know, there's that positive aspect to it. But there are negatives to it where, you know, when help is You overwork yourself because you won't accept help. Yeah, exactly. Like that happens and that's, and I'm usually left going, well, crap, why did this happen? And I realize, well, it's because you don't, you won't let anyone help. And, and so it's got both, both sides.

But is that what you're talking about? Is that kind of, you know, it's a, it's a thing that can be positive in some ways and in other ways it's a detriment? Yeah. Yes. And it, but think about it is more like, um, you know this about yourself. So it's not in your shadow in the same way. That's true. So for example, if you refuse help at every turn and your life kept falling apart because of it,

and it wasn't until you stopped and went, I got to get some help, something is wrong. Why do I keep doing this? And then you got to know the shadow, which came from some trauma and then is in there, is hidden pride, is I never want to feel that vulnerable again or whatever those things are. Then you're looking at it, right? Yeah. And in there, maybe you can loosen it up and ask for some help and then find that your life is better balanced and your community is stronger. And, you know, so the potential for the good is definitely in there.

And that's, that's kind of the idea. But the unconscious or unknown of it is like the email said, it's like, what's going on? Every relationship I keep doing this. And so that's usually when you're like, all right, what is in this suit case I'm dragging behind me? That's a good point, sure. Well, and here's another couple other just things about it that might add to your understanding of it. But like, so projection, we all know this idea of where someone is projecting their own unconscious stuff onto someone else, right? Let's think of a classic example.

Well, projection is one of my favorite things too. It is, it is. And there's always so many, like that basically the idea is that the quality is present in that person's shadow then get it. attributed to some other group or individual, kind of like the preacher preaching this and then really doing that stuff on the weekend, right? And so it would be projecting my shadow, so I am not fully aware of it. I mean, do you think that girl who started the abstinence only program was like, you know what I want to do? I want this to end in flames. Yeah. It's not conscious, right? Right. But that is that, that massive energy to maybe demonize a group or an

individuals often because of your own stuff. So you can feel the exact opposite of this. Like, find it, think of a group and you just don't have any feelings about the stuff. Like, it's just really neutral for you. You can kind of have compassion. Like, oh, that's, that's hard for them. Right. Or I bet that's tough to do, da, da, and you're just like, that's the opposite of it's your shadow.

That's like, oh, I don't have shadow bits in me that need to hate on that group or need to do whatever, right, right, whatever those things might be. And then when you do have vibes, you're like, oh, there must be something in there for me, right? And that's where just being curious and interested in your own stuff is just so helpful, right? Because what is actually in there? So if you have a bigger reaction than you think you should, that is an example of, there might be some shadow going on, right? Yeah.

Okay. So then I kind of to summarize, integration is his big goal here in the end, is that you recognize and accept these hidden parts of you without judgment. Like you start to bring them, bring them into your awareness and integrate them into your sense of self and concept, right? So take someone who, I mean, like, sexuality is like the biggest place this is probably is.

And I do find something really fascinating as gender is definitely more fluid and people's understandings has really changed over time. Folks who really just do not, and this doesn't mean this is everyone, so don't get your panties in a wad. Which are my initials. Again, name another therapist who will say, don't get your panties in a wad.

And I'm telling you, these are the similarities between Wendy and I. Anyway, keep going. Yeah, I shouldn't be allowed to be on with my voice. But anyway, the point is that if someone is really struggling with this new concept of gender, someone's trying to explain to them or their own experience, and you just can not. Like, you are furious. Like, how dare you think? you can just pick whatever you want and say that's what you are and blah blah blah and that kind

of energy if your energy around that's real real high now that's not i need to learn i don't quite understand this doesn't make any sense to me when i was a kid you know there's a there's a regular version of that and that's understandable but the irate furious version um is a good example of okay so my question would be something like what is it you've never been allowed to say that you care about that is really private to you very maybe it's part of the shadow right that you don't you don't get to just express yourself the way you want to you were never allowed no one would love you like you it would not be safe to even be yourself let alone say my pronouns are they you know what I mean like there wouldn't that would never exist for you and so it is

really painful and this is that projection thing it's really painful to see somebody do a thing you could never do. But you don't have the awareness because it's in the shadow. And so you move things as you do this integration work and you understand this. The growth that comes from us, that's what's so cool about it ultimately is you can bring this raging response to things down to a regular level and or that self-love and like acceptance of your own stuff is incredibly empowering to let other people. have their stuff. Is that something like when people hear that their friend was part of the

debt, debt forgiveness program for college debt relief? And they weren't. And there's that feeling of resentment. Why them, not me? I mean, is that part of this too? Just those basic kind of resentment? I mean, that would kick it in for sure, right? Because your fears, you're all your stuff, right? And I don't, I want to, I see myself as a generous person or I see myself as a good person and suddenly I have feelings that are so vile towards someone who got debt relief and I didn't and that that doesn't fit it's the cognitive dissonance that gets created with how my sort of false self and false self is not the integrated fully understood whole person and false self is I'm a I'm a good dad and I play sports with my kids and I never get mad or

whatever you're supposed to think you are right yeah yeah It's when it runs into that. And it'll run into, we could find a million ways that this could run into it. What I always tell people is like when you get triggered this way, it can be so overwhelming. You don't know what to do. And so then you go on the internet and scream. Or you go avoid life by disappearing into some distraction or you drink it or you just don't go into it because it feels too big and overwhelming, right? But when you can start to pull stuff apart and get into the nitty gritty, it can turn into just more curiosity.

Like, whoa, why did I have that response? And then you have some skills then to go, wow, what is that really about for me? And this is where my personal life and my job really clash. Because sometimes I'm like, I see it in real life and I just want to go, hey, are you curious, looking at that? You know, people are like, listen, we're just at a grocery store. Who are you? Yeah, yeah. But it feels like, oh, wow, it's so obvious.

You can kind of see it in someone else. But am I good at this with myself? No. So let's all be clear. This isn't about anyone is enlightened and does this themselves. It's usually only people who've done this work. Yeah. I promise they're not bragging about it in the same way.

That's what you don't hear about it. I promise you. But there are plenty of people really trying to do shadow work. And then the last final thing I want to say is often. it comes out in dreams and this is dreams were such a big thing with that era and psychology right like what do they mean and really getting into them and i don't know the history of how dreams have been treated you know throughout time but i'm sure it's it's it's they're weird right yeah yeah we lay down we as usually something you're subconscious but i don't know where scott gets some yeah some of my dreams

are pretty wacko but i but i mean you know back in the back in the old days uh let's say 1300s I may ascribe all sorts of things to my dreams, supernatural stuff, or we're all going to die, or I had a visit from a thing today, or it's, you know, God talk to me tonight when really all I did was eat too much, you know, beef before dinner or whatever. Right. And sometimes it's as simple as like a random downloading of your brain in day's events and it doesn't have a ton of meaning. But then sometimes they really are like this client who I was referring to earlier with her mom.

her dream was, she goes, oh, I'm going to tell you a dream, but don't you hate when people tell you dreams? I'm like, no, no, I love it when they tell me dream. Because it's often in it. But, you know, the dream was every time she went to speak, she couldn't, like, clear her throat. She could, she had no voice, right? And you're like, oh, it's a little on the nose, right? But it is. It's exactly what she's going through in her life of, I don't know how to actually be seen and use my voice in this relationship. And so your dreams will give it to you. So sometimes your shadow stuff shows up there. So when you have a dream that you're like,

ooh, that is really disturbing. I can't believe I did that in my dream. I'm like, huh, it's not any bits of my shadow. So anyway, I just wanted to get in everyone's head before we end here. I like it. Yeah. So going back real quick to Susan. Yeah.

So Susan, go get a union therapist and analyze your shadow. Because that self-sabotaging thing might be related to some personality. lack of understanding of yourself you keep having to have partners come fill in the gaps and if you only know yourself in a relationship and then you keep destroying them well that's saying something right

so really I hate to give the advice of go to therapy but that's the kind of deeper work when people really engage in it just find so much relief from having to live their life sort of trying not to have the shadow

or this stuff they don't are shamed of or you know not even really knowing who they are affect their life because we're like oh we should be happy and we should have this the 2.2 houses and a dog and a cat I don't know what whatever that 2.2 houses and 5 kids what is it I meant to say picket fence and they came out 2.2 houses I would love you picket fences yeah I would love 2.2 houses yeah I'd love that that great freaking and a cat and whatever it is for you, right? You think if I just have that or whatever you were socialized to think would make you happy or socialized to who you're supposed to be. I think I think the, I give you so much credit for this, Scott, because you paved the way by being yourself. And our parents just had to let

you be yourself. And our dad was someone who just needed to be himself, but was very little allowed to do that. And you were much more allowed to do that. And my little psycho, 12 year old, is allowed to do that because there is nothing else you can do. You can try to shove someone into a box, but it just makes the shadow bigger and sicker, right? And so my mantra is let everyone just develop into who they are. It's not easy to do, especially when they trigger your stuff, right? Right.

And if they're going to be a, if they're growing into a serial killer, you know, you can do some things to maybe stop that. But yes, for the most part, don't shove your. 12 year old in a box that's our lesson today yes don't do it don't do it poke holes in it first if you if you do decide to do that oh yeah they need to breathe yeah and give a little

food slot you know and it slides it through yeah all that sort of thing they get baloney baloney goes right through there you just curl it up curl it up right through the one of the breathing hole perfect there you I love it maybe that tells you too much about my childhood

oh no he's revealed his whole shadow the entire length of it all right well this is good uh Susan we hope this helps And anyone else out there who's maybe dealing with similar things, look at your shadow. Do some shadow work. And Wendy, between now and next week, I hope your shadow is nothing but a happy singing little happy shadow. Thanks.

And we'll talk to you then. Bye now. Bye, bye, bye, bye. Walking down the avenue avenue avenue, do, do, do. That's the shadow song, right? Yeah, my shadow. I picture Steve Martin doing that. Why?

it's certainly in his in his wheelhouse with his banjo stuff uh something about it i don't know if you did it in pennies from heaven or uh it might just be thinking of pennies from heaven yeah you know that's probably ukulele in the jerk but he didn't do that one no in the jerk in the jerk i've seen the jerk in a long time uh all right does he does that uh what was the one it's the uh the one with great harmonies. Tonight, you belong to me with Bernadette Peters. Oh, yeah, that's also really good. I don't know what I'm thinking. Oh, you know what I'm thinking of? Time Bandits. Time Bandits is correct.

Good job, Jeannie. Yeah. He's not in it, but... No, no, Steve Martin there. Nothing to do with Steve Martin. Right, it's the little people doing the dance to distract while they rob everybody blind. I love that movie. Yeah, yeah. All right, let's get out of here.

Quick note, again, Coverville today at noon. So, uh, music lovers, You've got something to watch at noon. Footloose lovers, yeah. Yeah, if you're a footloose lover, be there. If you're a video game lover, then at the same time, Brian and I usually don't schedule things at the same time. We try not to anyway.

Usually not, yeah. This one's out of my hand, so I couldn't. Exactly. You kind of have to do this when it has to happen. Yeah, I don't choose. I don't choose, unfortunately. But anyway, word on the street with Greg Street, myself, and Chantey, their VP of IP, which is fun to say.

IPVV. Yeah, IVB. It's going to be on today at noon as well. We're going to go for about an hour. We're talking about lore, building story, what that's like when you're starting from scratch with a brand new MMO. So check that out here on the channel. Core at 4 p.m. today, same place, same time, as usual, 4 p.m. And couch party tomorrow.

If you are a patron of TMS, you'll want to tune in for that because we're going to do a complete firefly rewatch. And we're going to start with episode one tomorrow and move from there. We'll watch one. We'll take a break for a week because we have couch party the following week. Or, and we're talking about the 27th, doing it again on a Saturday so more people can be there for a Saturday. Oh, play date, you mean, right? You said couch party, yeah. I'm sorry, play date.

Yeah, yeah, we're doing it on, oh, yeah, we did decide Saturday, didn't we? We did decide Saturday, so 27th Saturday play date. Yep, looking forward to that also. Always fun. Yes. I've got something, me and, oh, my God, his name, his avatar name just completely. went out of my head but he's the guy

Alqabab or working on a is it Alqab no I'm not 100% sure the guy who does all of our interfaces for half asses and family feud

we're working on That is Alqab right I think it's Alcab yeah we're working on a derivative of the floor you know the new

Rob Lobe game show that I've been talking about that's so cool like it's got a cool premise where you've got 100 people all with a specialty category and then they have to answer trivia questions and take over territories and spaces. We're looking at a tadpool playable version of it

that we could spend an entire play date doing. It won't be for January, but probably February. Love it. Love it. Yeah. Let's do that. I love that idea. It's not complicated at all, Claire. You've got 100 people. They all have a special category.

They pick one person at random. They have to pick one of the people around them. And if they beat them in their category, they take over that space, that person's out. And it's just who's got the most space. And it's basically a battle royale. You're down to one person at the end. Exactly. Exactly.

One person who's got all the space at the end. So think of it. It's Fortnite. Okay. Claire? Yeah, exactly. It's Fortnite. But I want to come up with a really good prize because there's going to be like one winner from this whole thing.

And I'd love to give them something really, really cool. nice so look forward to that that's coming up we'll figure that out probably a month or so probably February the play date um is what it'll be nice play retro you have to be willing to get on you know and talk on discord with us yeah so and we're not doing 100 people we're going to do 25 a 5 by 5 grid oh yeah yeah don't don't yeah we're not going crann let you know if it takes off and does amazing things maybe we'll consider it but let's start low Then it becomes a milestone, a Patreon milestone that we have to achieve. Yeah, that's right.

Pull out your wallets. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. Also play retro on Friday, 1.30 p.m. Sonic 3 slash Knuckles and Sonic or Sonic and Knuckles. Weird story behind that game. You got to check that out.

Me and Dun & Way doing that. And then Film Sack this weekend, we're doing the film Black Hat, a Michael Man film no one's heard of from not that many years ago, 2015, I think. And it will be... We'll take a look at it. Chris Hemsworth's in there. He's got a little tiny black hat. Is that the story is?

He's just got a little black hat. Just a little top hat. He's doing the me and my shadow song. Me and my shadow. This is, for those looking, it's on Netflix. It came out in 2015, if you said that or not. Yeah, none of us have ever seen this. And I know zero about it.

Yeah, I don't either. I don't know a thing. I know I love Michael Man. and I like Chris Hemsworth, so I don't know why this has such a low score in IMDB, but we're going to find out together. That's it. We're done. FrogPants.com slash TMS for all our links to everything, including that Patreon we mentioned. So go check that out.

Brian, let's get out of here with some music. What do you have for us? With the song, closing out our week with another banger. This is Jimmy G-1968. Can't read today for some reason. wrote in for this one and said, hey, guys, Jimmy G.1968, yo, yo, yo, yo, your retired cruise ship inspector here. Oh, yeah, okay, right. Friday, January 19th will be my 56th time to celebrate being a speck on this Ant Hill We Call Earth. Man, I love how you guys all come up with new ways of telling me it's your birthday. It's the best.

It's amazing. Having grown up in SoCal, Oingo Boingo is still one of my all-time favorite bands. Yeah, represent brother. It would make my day if you were to cover them from my birthday. Being that you don't broadcast on Fridays, any time beforehand would be appreciated sincerely. Jimmy G. 1968. Happy birthday. Sorry, dude, you're in the range.

That's how it works. You get the old people. Yeah, that doesn't, the math isn't, is the math-math-in? Math isn't math-in for me, is it? Jimmy G. It's 1968. If he was born 1968. Yeah.

He turns 56 this year? Does that mean I'm 54? I guess I'm 54. You and I are 54. Yeah. So. I'm telling people I've been, I've been telling people I'm 53 for the last two years apparently. No, this is what happens.

We hit a certain age and we, it's not so much forgetting, but we really like that three better than the four. God, I love the three so much more than the four. I know. All right. Well, then I'll be 54 for the last six months of my 54th year. Damn. All right. Well, happy birthday, Jimmy G1968.

You already got your, you already got your song. you're your happy birthday anyway let's give you this now i don't you know i love i love oingo boingo and uh for you my friend because you are also a big fan of oingo boingo i don't want to just go with dead man's party or stay or you don't want to go a little bit bigger hits i want to go a little bit deeper for you oh geez that sounds gross um but i'm going to go with a cover by a band that is so visual if you have not seen what these guys look like you need to need to check them out, but this is a great audio cover that you're going to love. Came out in 2005 on the Dead Band's Party tribute to Oingo Boingo.

It's by a band called The Aquabats. It's their cover of Oingo Boingos, The Controller. I think you're looking for me I think you're looking for me Retire not right nobody home Don't make the sound don't even move You give them nothing to see I think you're looking for me

I think you run I got to run I got to run I got to run I got to run There's someone crawling in my yard There's someone creeping at my room There's someone chopping my phone

I feel it deep in my phone They want to broke my intuition They want to find out what I know Why don't they leave me alone Why don't they leave me alone I got to run I got to run Might be the catcher

All right Can't be too careful I take precaution All right I've got you run Faceless surgeons armed with razors Cut out

for imagination There's someone knocking on There's someone knocking on my door There's someone knocking on the glow I think they're looking for me I think they're looking for me But sugar ain't nobody home

Don't make the sound don't even move Don't get them nothing to see I think they're looking for me I've got to run I got to run I got to run Might be a catcher One of the controller

Can be too careful I think me cautionous They may be clever I've got to run Faceless surgeons Armed with razors Cut out our imagination It's a strange thing

Deadly reason Raisins cut with such precision Roving deep without detention Razors never Run But it's all right Oh Oh

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