The Morning Stream - TMS 2608: The Morning Stram

Episode Date: February 29, 2024

What's the date of Feb. 29? He Kinda Neville Longbottomed. Dino's n Monkeys n Doughnuts OH MY. Bob's burger meets Beetlejuice. Please Expose Your Sack. Crunch the Crown Numbers. Itâs an erection year. 27 totally different and legally distinct dresses. Penetration Testing. Double fisting the coffee. look at the fingers on her. Give Me The Goat. Molarcast. Not A Heigl To Be Seen. OCD, OCD, OCD with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Once upon a time, there were three rad people who signed up at patreon.com slash TMS, named Rockin'Burb Boy, Matt Tessier, N. Jimbo Fett. Coming up on TMS, what's the date of February 29th? He kind of Neville Longbottomed. Dinos and monkeys and donuts, oh my. Bob's Burgers meets Beetlejuice. Please expose your sack. Crunch the crown numbers.

It's an erection year. Uh-oh. 27 totally different and legally distinct dresses. Penetration testing. double fisting the coffee Look at the fingers on her I don't like this trend Give me the goat

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Good morning, everybody. Welcome to TMS. It's the morning stream for February 29th, 2024. An unusual day for most years. So happy leap baby day. Everybody. An unusual day that doesn't appear in most years. And I don't even know like with the, uh, the, the Chances that it can appear on a day that we don't do a show. I wonder how many actual leap date episodes we've ever done. Oh, yeah, probably very few, right? Well, well, it's not something I want to take a whole bunch of time to look for. No, we're not going to do the math on it. Although, I did do some funny math at the dentist and forgot to tell you about it.

This is quick. I'm so glad you brought this up. I like funny math, yeah. But I said to the doctor after he finished, he goes, all right, we're just about done. And I had all the stuff out of my mouth at that point. And I said, hey, I got a quick question. Might be kind of silly. He says, what is it?

I said, how many cavities have you filled? How many crowns have you done? How many? I'm just like, over all this 22 year, whatever it is career that you've had so far. How much of all that stuff do you think you've done? And I figured he had to just guess. And he goes, ooh, that's a good question. Let me get back to you.

And then he leaves. Then when I go outside to like pay and get all done and whatever, this guy behind the counter goes, hey, Jeremy tells me you want to know these numbers. And I went, numbers. Oh, you mean like your how many crowns and stuff? Says, yeah, I got it. I found it. I crunched the numbers.

I'm like, really? Oh, my gosh. Like, you have this data and he's like, yeah, our systems are retroactive. So everything he's ever done is all up to current. And anyway, it was crazy how close to TMS numbers, his total number of crowns he's given out between 2011 and now. It was almost exactly like 25, 2,600. Yeah. Really?

Wow, so really close to our numbers. That's hilarious. And they each take about an hour and a half, which is about how long a TMS takes. And it's just like this, it was this weird parallel. But anyway, I can't remember the exact numbers because he just said him out loud and I didn't run him down. But it was like 10,000 fillings or something. Wow. It was crazy numbers, dude.

And that was just him, not his partners, not his brother who joined him later. None of that stuff. It was just him doing shit. There's got to be some way he could turn this into a Mueller cast or something. Thanks for joining us on the Mueller cast. First, want to give a shout out to our new patrons. That's right. And I guess that means he's solved the whole 10,000-hour thing, like the Beatles.

The Beatles performed enough in crappy clubs in Germany that they were bound for success because of just of how much they worked or whatever. It's like that. So he's now the dentist of all dentists. There has never been a dentite like him. You know, let's all be dental like him, I guess. I don't know. Nice.

Okay, very good. By the way, so 2012 and 2016 both had February 29th that fell on a day that we would be doing TMS. I don't know if we did episodes of those days, but there was 2020, TMS fell on a Saturday, so we didn't do. We didn't do that, yeah. I bet I have file dates, though. So if you can look at 2012 and 2016, that would be the only time. Give me the 2012 date. What was the year?

February 29th, 2012. Oh, yeah. The only distinguishing number is the year. Shit, Scott. Okay, 2012. Hold on. I'm going to find this. What year?

Did Leap Day fall on in 2016? Yeah, I wonder. Weird. Okay, February 29th. We did it. Yeah. So we did an episode in 2012 or 2016? That was 2012?

2012. Here's how that one started. I was watching the do month last night. All right. Here we go. You start the wax cylinder. This. That's us.

That's how we started. Okay. And then. It was like barely a year into our little show here. Yeah, we hadn't done any intro stuff yet. That's kind of a recent thing. What was the, so what was the other one? 2016 would have been the other one.

All right. Let's just see. I like this little game. 2016, February. Ooh, the question is, had we started doing the titles in 2016. I think we had, yeah? All right, your bet is yes. I'm going to say probably, but I don't know for sure.

I'll take the opposite just for a fun bet. Okay. So here we go. This is episode 994. We did do one that day. Here it is. Coming up on TMS. Away for Furry Wood. Brian's right. Yeah. Damn, dude. Yeah, so we have done an episode.

Does that mean we've done every possible 29th? Dave the year, like, easily. We have to have. Right. I doubt we could find in the 366 days of a full calendar that there is a day that we have not done a TMS on in one of the years that we've been doing TMS. Yeah, I got to think we have. But I think we've done every leap day ever, or well, since the show started, right? Oh, every, no, no, because 2020, we didn't.

Oh, we didn't do one on 2020. Oh, right, because you said, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Well, that's a shame that we missed that. you know because then we could have been had a perfect record actually hold on let's see what we did close to that 2020 that was a weird year uh very weird year i didn't like it was a very weird year didn't like that year at all closest we have started right after we got uh the february 27th episodes closest we have this episode is brought to you by bluechew dot com and that's when we had boner pills so yeah still haven't received mine still wait no Brian still waiting for his boner pills

I mean, poor guy, four years, no boner. Come on now. Four years, no boner. That's terrible. Awful. Four years, no bonner. Whoopi, Joe. Not able to get an erection.

I have a question about that, but maybe this is the wrong show for it. It's an erection year, folks. It's an erection year. Don't forget to participate in your local erection. That's right. I forget it was, like, whatever it was. Something Trump. Oh, I know what it was going to be.

this is not a political question it's honest just an honest question he's he yes i'm glad mitch is stepping down oh i'm sorry go ahead please he said something i will have a retirement party i will leave more time i will leave in november anyway uh he says he can't pay this is again an unpolitical thing everyone calm yourselves down i just have a question about this he says he can't pay the five 400 and whatever million dollar summary judgment thing or whatever it is that's summary judgment whatever it is against him um because he says he's too rich so he can only do he only can do a hundred million of it because he's too rich to pay the rest of it and i'm trying to understand what is the legal because he's actually having lawyers claim this

yeah i'm trying to understand it and honestly i don't too rich to pay this oh that's fantastic that seems like a strange thing to say if you have the money then you have the money and it's a legal it's a legal thing you pay because you have to now because that's that's the judgment You can appeal it, but the appeal can't be, I have too much money to pay that. That doesn't make any sense. Right. Is it a tax? Is it tax related? I mean, still it doesn't make any sense, right? Leave it to, you know, if there's anybody who can make the attempt to convince people, and he will convince people, don't get me wrong, that he can't pay something because he's too rich. It's going to be a DJT. I'm sorry, not DJT. That's the son. Oh, oh, right. DJT. I like

I like the quiet tall one. Donald Jennifer Trump. I like to think the tall quiet one is just going to avoid politics and avoid the spotlight and doesn't care about Eric? No, the other one. The young one. Oh, oh, oh, Baron. Barron. Doesn't say anything. I mean, he's young. Was he 18 now

or something? He seemed like never to say anything. Just always sheepishly in the back. If I had one wish for that. He's smart. Yeah. If he's smart, that is exactly what he does. Yeah. If I was, if I had a wish for that kid, it would just keep doing that. Just stay out of the shit.

He turns into King Joffrey in a heartbeat. Yeah, it's all tainted. And I don't care what political side or family you come from. This is not a life, man. It sucks.

Why would you want to have any involvement in this? You either have to go full douchebag or we're not get elected. Like, no one gets attention unless they're a psycho. So, just stay out of it. I know you're like 12 foot five,

so that's hard. you're really tall I've not seen pictures of Barron Somehow Baron and Tiffany Have just kind of Quietly been tucked away Like cousin Oliver

I'll show you an image Where you'll be like Oh my gosh he's I mean he's gigantic this kid And this is not even a new photo No that's LeBron James Scott He's also He's a black man

And Trump has some explain to do. Okay, there it is right there. Let's see. Oh, wow. No kidding. So he's a big, he's a huge kid. Is he really that, like, is he that much closer? I mean, is he that tall compared to Donald, or is he just way closer to the camera? Jeez, Louise.

Based on other photos I found, he is that tall compared to them. He kind of, uh, he kind of Neville-Lung-bottomed, didn't he? Oh, big time. Stretched way out. Between the movies five and six or whatever it was for. I just I hope he I just he has the look of a kid who might might might be okay if he can just stay out of it yeah you know and I wish this for every prominent kid in any family where they did not choose this life all right I wish it on all of you oh gosh yes yeah people are saying six foot seven inches is what they're what they're saying geez he's an enormous human being yeah we got a Amanda sent us a text You want me to read this text here that Amanda sent us? Because why not?

Well, yes. I'd love to hear that. Yeah. Amanda says, good morning, morning stream. I just found out that we are doing, we are the World 25 Haiti for our spring concert in my community chorus. Pretty cool. I didn't know this is a thing.

I didn't know it either. We are the World 25 Haiti? Yeah. People go around and do, we are the world versions of the thing, but do it for other charities and stuff. I don't know. That's cool. It says the director did cut out the rap part, though, L.O.L.

Just thought that was cool and timely. Have a great Wednesday. Amanda. Amanda, I hope that Ray from Ghostbusters shows up for no reason. That's right, exactly. Why can't I think of his name all of a sudden? What's wrong with me? Dan Aykroyd. Dan Aykroyd. Jeez. Yeah, that's kind of nuts. Also, I guess I didn't know about the rap part that they must have been adding that to more recent versions of the song. I got burned by Do They Know It's Christmas? 20 or 10 or whatever it was like the 10th anniversary or the 20th anniversary or whatever and I'm

staying away from so I don't even I didn't even know that was a thing is that like a re uh modern yeah they're doing what band aid 20 I guess is what it was called it was uh 2001 2002 whatever it would have been 20 years after the first bandaid do they know it's Christmas this is not good and uh just bad just bad just lifeless, and while it felt like Simon LeBahn and Paul Young and all these guys in the first one really, you know, really were invested and really like dedicated to the thing, it just feels like, all right, now we've got two of the take that boys coming in and singing.

And we've got, you know, we can only afford three members of S Club seven. uh so we've got the two of them what was the name of that what was the first group you just said what was it the boat that is that a is that a real group yeah that's that's a real group it's the band that robbie williams came from before he took too many drugs and got kicked out yeah they don't want that take that wow i didn't know that was a band i didn't i never even heard that before that's funny yeah there's a what is the what was their big hit um Oh, now you're making me.

Now you're making me look something up, Scott. Oh, they're big song. Let's see if I can beat our Brits in the audience. Back for Good was probably their big song. What does that sound like? What's the deal? That's a really good question. All I can just remember the chorus is like,

nah-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-n-na-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n- Nope, no, that's Martika, tin soldiers. But it's like, whatever I do, see your smiling face. Coming back for good, like 10 soldiers still, nope, sorry, sorry, it's, it's, it's, it's, it goes right into Martica. Wow. Right into Martica. Okay. All right.

Robb Williams. I can't, I can't not, not Martica this business. Robbie Williams came back in 2010 to 2011. It's only lasted a year. Yeah. Yeah. They heard about TMS and thought, you know what, we can do this too. We're doing this.

Yeah. that's right and then uh 2014 to 2015 they got rid of them again so yeah it's like a little little uh little tuned in or a little reunion business right we're uh yeah yeah good stuff all right we're gonna add uh someone to the call you guys aren't expecting this toy soldiers toy soldiers i'm getting that confused with one tin soldier rides away also isn't that a movie toy soldier it was a it was a movie and uh and that song was used as the closing song of the movie oh um Oh, you know what? Okay, yeah. So there was the 110 Soldier. Yeah. There was do do do do do. But then there was also a toy soldiers movie as well.

Oh, okay. There were movies of both. All right. And there's always going to be that because there are, there's no copyright on names. There's no trademark on names for movies. Thank goodness. That's why you get five crashes or whatever it is, right? Exactly.

Yep. You can name your movie. You can name your movie five easy pieces and not have a problem. Nope, 27 dresses, totally different movie. It's all about zombies or whatever. doesn't have a high there's not a hegel to be seen all right I'm going to add to the call

a long time friend of the program and of of myself and also one of my favorite he represents one of my favorite things I've ever implemented in my entire technological life which we'll get to in a second welcome to the program one Michael Faye from One Password

Hello Michael welcome Good morning Hey man jeez look at you look all fancy and stuff on this camera We're not used to this quality of a guest. It's amazing. We started doing little video snippets for the podcast this year, and so I got to look good. I got to look presentable. Nice.

Nice. And you host this for those wondering, for the one password thing. That must be, okay, I'm just going to throw this out because it seems challenging to me to be the voice, basically. You're having to be the voice of a company whose goal. is is to give everybody a great password management a way to do two-factor in a very easy way, all this cool stuff. And by the way, this is not a sponsorship or a paid anything on the show. This is just a, this is a thing I love and use constantly. But how do you make a podcast around it? Like, I've been doing this for a long time. That seems hard. Yeah. So my friend Matt, who also

works at OnePassword and our friend Anna, Matt was like, do you want to start a podcast? And I was like, yeah, that sounds like fun. Like, why not? We'll do that. Sure. And so it's really just an excuse for us to hang out a little while. We do headlines. So we do, we have like our pre-show banter like you guys do. And then we do headlines and cover what's latest in the news. We do guest interviews.

So I've been, I tend to do most of the guest interviews. And those are super fun. We bring in security experts. I interviewed a penetration tester the other day, someone who just like tries to get into buildings and stuff for money. Ooh, that's cool. wait so people hire him to try to break your system break the system that's cool yeah like and not like digitally like literally like hi i'm here to deliver a pizza kind of thing oh see if they can get access to certain offices wow it's it's so fun the interviews are so good like every heist movie we've ever

watched yeah i was gonna say i feel like we just saw this in like inside man or something just like it reminded me of something it like that stuff it is it is exactly that i've had i've interviewed people where i'm like so this sounds like a movie and they're like yep that's uh that's pretty much it. Do those people always start out as kind of real hacker break-in types and then they have a change in their life or whatever and then they get hired for this stuff? Does that kind of how worked? Yes. And in fact, the person that I did just interview, he was arrested by the FBI and they were very much like, okay, so why don't you come work for us for a while? Damn. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's neat. That makes sense, though, right? Because those guys are going to be your best experts. If you can

if you can give them the deal that gives them enough reformation so that they're not you know prison rats for the rest of their lives or whatever right right you give them a reason to do this stuff for good and not not evil anymore it makes sense to me but it's always so wild to think that that's a thing and it's and it's white

it's still considered white hat when it's when it's trying to get into a building kind of thing right right yes if you are being if you have been hired to do it yeah yeah if the you just say I'm a white hat hat hacker and get out of him, Ryan. It's not how it. That's a shame. White hat. Well, here's the good news. As a listener of the show here of TMS, you've heard

us do quizzes and stuff on here before. You pinged me and said, hey, I got this quiz. I kind of want to throw at you guys. What do you think? So we arranged this. And I figured why not? It's a Thursday. It's our last show of a standard week. Let's go ahead and throw it in. So I don't know how ready I am, but let's do it. Let's see how we do. I mean, you are not as ready as you possibly could be, because one of you is in the document that I shared, but the other is not. Oh, I'm in. Oh, it's one of these deals, is it? I don't, I don't know.

I mean, you don't, listen, you can go pure audio, but I thought that a visual aid might be helpful. Sure. Because they are multiple choice. So the way that we end every one password podcast, which is called random but memorable, which is how you're supposed to have your passwords, random but memorable. is we do a quiz. We play a game, and we're always coming up with different games,

and the game this season is called Security Blank. So, Security Blank, the rules are very simple. I will read out some recent security news headlines with one or multiple words blanked out,

and Brian and Scott. We'll have to guess which words are missing from the headlines. There are five questions. Each correct answer is worth one point. I was going to try and come up with some more fancy scoring system

like feud, but didn't. So we get one point for right answers. All right. It's pretty clear we don't really care about. The scoring thing is usually the worst part of all of our game shows on this thing. Yeah. Something's really the most contentious. Sure.

Yeah, it comes up a lot. I will do my best to let everyone, to keep everyone up to date on what the scores are as someone who frequently listens to the show and goes, wait, but hold on, I got it to do the math and I can't figure out, wait, who's winning right now? Oh, this is hard for people to drive when they're holding up fingers trying to remember how many points. Brian and Scott each house. It's very dangerous. We got to, we got to, until self-driving cars are ubiquitous, we got to fix that problem. That's a problem. Brian, can I trouble you to keep score at the top of this document so I don't all.

Oh, yeah. Oh, look at that. I can, I totally, do I have access? I don't think I have access. Oh, request, request edit access. You should, if you refresh, I gave you edit access before our show started. Oh. But I, it's letting me type.

Which account? You probably did it for Coverville at Gmail, right? ever go. Yep, that's all right. Let me, no, that's one I'm logged in as. There's a button at the top that says request, edit access. I'm like, click it. Nothing happens.

What happens in you refresh it? Does it go, does it change? Oh, let me try. Let me see if that's, uh, this is great. It is great. It does. Indeed, I can, I can type a score. Excellent.

Excellent. Excellent. There are you. All right. Good. It's working. All right. All right. Excellent. Okay. First question. So, this is from the register, January of this year. we'll take that blank over a flashy data spilling internet one thanks is it old-fashioned vacuum plain dumb car non-electric toothbrush or we'll take that seriously ugly toaster over a flashy data spilling internet one thanks oh my gosh i like this it's too bad doorbell isn't on here because i feel like doorbell has come up uh d tns i think brought up doorbell

recently. Yeah, all of these things do have their internet enabled. Yeah, it could be any of them, right? I'm going to do the... Oh, do you want us to say... Just go ahead and say. You can say, it's fine.

I'm going to say non-electric toothbrush. Oh, that was going to be mine too. I would choose the same. Can we do that or we have to choose different ones? No, no, you can choose the same. Okay. We'll either both be right or we'll both be wrong. That's true.

I'm going with that toothbrush. All right. So we have two of you locking in with toothbrush. In January of 2024, the Register ran an article titled, We'll take that plain dumb car over a flashlight. Darn it. Oh, Scott, you brought the sound effects. I did.

I brought you sound effects. I was really open. All right. They're always there. They're always ready. Always at the ready. All right. In February, Wired ran an article that said ransomware payments hit a record blank in

2023. Is it $350 million? 1.1 billion, 25 million, or 1.25 trillion. Oh, my gosh, ransomware payments? I've always been told go with the second highest number, so I'm going to say 1.1 billion. I... But it really worries me, seeing that trillion number on there.

Yeah, the trillion can't be right. Can it? I'll go with the $350 million. Okay. In February of 2024, Wired ran an article that said ransomware payments hit a record $1.1 billion. Brian. Nicely done. That's for me.

It's always, you know, SATs. That's only how I passed my SATs is by picking the third highest option. Whenever they gave you a range of numbers, it's always the second highest. Yeah. Very nice. All right. We're going to stick with Wired for the next couple here. So in 2024 as well, February, Wired ran an article.

It said, Blank, are a privacy nightmare. Is it AI girlfriends? Ring doorbells. There's your doorbell. There's the doorbells. Viral TikTok videos or crowdfunding platforms. Oh, my gosh. This is a hard one.

Yeah, all those seem to be possible privacy nightmares. Yeah. I'm going to go to my doorbells because it felt like a Crescan moment for me. So if I don't lean on this and that turns out to be it, that I'm going to be really disappointed myself. I'm going to go with... I'm going to go with the weird ones. Let's go with AI girlfriends.

Because that is a thing. Somebody isolates Scott out saying that, please. I'm going to go with some AI girlfriends, please. Thank you. It turns out that AI girlfriends are indeed a privacy nightmare. I'm Scott. Oh, man. No, I have some very loose.

recollection of hearing something about the uptick in those. Not that they were such a nightmare, but because there's this uptick, I have to think, given that the emotional attachment part of this, that people are just saying too much shit and getting, there's too much getting leaked out. I can't imagine that's good for anybody. Oh, for sure. It has to be. Yeah. Plus, for real, I don't want to, I'm not a, someone who wants to label people or put swaths of judgment on anyone. But anybody at home with an AI girlfriend, I'm just saying maybe go out and do some stuff. You know what I mean? I'm just saying humans need humans.

All right. That's all. Yeah. It's Eliza 2024. That's right. All right. Mine's more of a talking moose. But, you know, you do you.

Yeah. All right. Let's see here. Also, in February, boy, WIRE did a lot of articles in February. Good. Yes. I stopped using blank. It's great and a total mess. Is it passwords? Toilet paper. The internet. Or I stopped using ad blockers. It's great and a total mess. Wow. A great and a total mess. Well, all right. This is process of elimination for me.

because I don't I I think that they would word it differently if they stopped using passwords I think because what you guys do is is basically have people not really trying to come up with their own flimsy passwords but use your service right so I don't see somebody like writing an article saying I stopped using passwords if they were to go like for your service for example so I'm feeling like I'm ruling out passwords and I as much as I'd love to see someone to say yeah I stopped using that block and I'm loving all of the garbage I'm getting my screen. I'm going to I'm going to go toilet paper on this one. Oh man. Raving about a bidet. You might be right. That wired, that's another good connection. A total washlet.

I'm going to say this is about a like a super high end Tokyo style toilet. And I'm hoping that that's the case. Okay, I'm going to guess that this is some Luddite who's like, I'm done with the internet. it's changed my life. It's a mess in there. It's great not having it. What a mess. I'm going to say internet. A C is my answer. So Brian's got toilet paper. I've got the internet. Okay. All right. Let's pull that resources.

In February, Wired ran an article that said, I stopped using passwords. It's great. Well, what did they mean by that? You gentlemen forgot about the rise of pass keys. Oh, shit. Oh, right. So this is an article about someone who's embracing past keys. Adators and stuff like that. Yeah, okay.

Stuff where like pass key is that protocol where I don't totally understand. Tom's tried to explain to us before. But basically it's like just a non, it's a non password, right? It's like a encrypted thing that if you support it, it just works everywhere. I don't know how. I mean, whatever, one password will support it. It's all I need to know because that's all I use. We do.

We do. It does. It does. It does. We do. Yes. Excellent. Excellent.

Perfect. All right. Let's bring this one home, gentlemen. How are we doing on scores? We are one to one, so we, uh, ooh. Yeah. Okay. This could decide it here. I told I was, I said I was going to keep everyone up to date on the scores that I totally. That's right. Oh, yeah. The score is one to one to one. One to one, everybody. One, everyone. All right. Now let's jump over to the New York Times from October of last year. rethinking security when so many threats are blank

is it dressed up in clown costumes hiding in plain sight invisible or like solving a murder mystery I'm straight up saying a dressed up like a clown costume that's why it was my thought too it's like why would

who would when they're trying to come up with believable answers that aren't the right one who would come up with dressed up in clown costumes yeah and the reason I like that is because I know they're being hyperbolic, but it kind of works. It's so much of, so much security threats these days are funny meme I clicked on. Or this is a great account I follow and I didn't realize I was getting fished or, you know, whatever.

Like it feels like that would be a good metaphor, I guess. Yeah. All right. So I'm going to ask you this. Either way, if we both choose dressed up in clown costumes, we end up with a tie. Do you have a tiebreaker planned or? I sure don't. Okay, then, I can get one, though.

Okay, I was going to say, because I could do a, I could pick a different one just so that we don't end up in a tie unless we both get, still get it wrong. Yeah, but if you have, Anna, sent me some extra ones. Oh, okay. So if you've got it, you have a way to do it. Yeah, yeah, let's do it. Okay, because, yeah, my inkling was clown costumes as well, just because it is so far out there compared to the other three. The other three feel like what somebody would come up with that makes sense in that case. Yeah.

It's not. My mom would say D. She would say, well, this is, it's kind of like solving a murder mystery to security. I mean, that doesn't seem like something a normal person would say. Not that my mom's not normal. You know what I mean. Yeah. Anyway, we both say A. That's what we'll say, all right. Well, listen, the article is titled Rethinking Security when so many threats are invisible. Oh, sorry, gentlemen. We are going to have to go into overtime. Who knows to whoever came up with the alternate answers because that is a brilliant strategy to put something in there. It feels. so wrong that it has to be right. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Let's tie. Tie breaker. Listen, if it's not this, you just tie. Okay. If it's not

this one, this is the last question. Let's see here. Let's go with, let's go from the telegraph. The telegraph in September of 2023. The majority of people are more worried about online fraud than, is it burglary, climate change, terminal illness, or day old stale kale I can see if I can paste of this evening okay yeah I'm not following

the day old I'm not I'm not going to follow to the clown costume day old stale kale trap day old stale kale I'm going to say what was the health one it was uh hang on hang on I'm pasting it and Brian

okay oh good you're too kind because I can't remember the first one yet oh there we go okay and I had to make sure I didn't by the way ignore the number of spaces it doesn't actually matter I'm going to say terminal illness. I'm going to say climate change.

All right, good. All right. Let's hope we, let's hope we bust this game wide open. Yeah, one of this is good. God help us. All right. Okay. How'd we do it?

Well, the majority of people are more worried about online fraud than burglary. Oh, of course. All right. well then it's like soccer it's almost like you preempted the fact that you knew it was going to be a wrong answer you had your finger on the bottom i did have my finger there you know what i mean it's fine it's like it's like soccer it's okay to tie it's fine yeah that's fine yeah many many games many games and in a tie yeah that's right they sure do uh well this this is actually pretty fun i enjoyed this was a lot of fun yeah uh your so it sounds like your podcast isn't just for hey we're we're in password and we're awesome it's also got all this other stuff in it tell people where to get it yeah so you can uh look for random but memorable in your pod catcher of choice uh and uh you know if you're looking for a great password manager i'm sure scott will tell you go to onepassword dot com i love it i love it for real and like i said this ain't a paid ad at all we're just you know there's an old friend michael hanging out talking about cool stuff but also i will fully endorse it

it has changed my freaking life uh the way i work and the way i do stuff and i sometimes know i get reminded. It's like, I'm typing in a thing and I'll go, oh, do I remember? And I go, oh, no, I don't need to remember. It's all right here. I'll just blip, blip, and it's in. Like, it's changed my whole life. Go get it if you haven't already tried to you guys. It's amazing. Well, this is great. Have a fantastic time. And may all your security issues be toilet paper, I guess. I don't know what I'm saying. All right. Thanks, gentlemen, Michael. He's a cool dude. He came to Nerdtacular. couple of times and I don't think Vegas I should have asked for a booted him but I don't think he was in Vegas yet or has been in Vegas but we'd love to have you sometime Michael if you want to

come you'd be the most secure person there uh all right let's see oh uh quick thing um somebody somebody Katie I'll say it's not just somebody Katie in our in our list of shit just somebody but Katie she's she searched for us and us and Bing's image generator Oh, wow. Okay. Image generator. So this is. Bing has like an open AI thing. I don't think it's Dolly, but it's whatever their AI image thing is. And so you can go to Bing's chat assistant thing, which is basically their chat GPT, and you can do images there. And somebody just searched for the morning stream and did it four times. And these are the results. Now, I'm sharing these with Brian for the first time. I didn't, I didn't preview him on these. This is actual reaction video of Brian seeing these for the first time. And we have got a challenge on our hands to figure this shit out. So this is number one. I'll put it up for the chat.

Okay. Oh, wait, wrong guy. I put it wrong guy. Did you send it to Michael? Yeah, I sent it to Michael. It's not very good security. Hold on. Let me kill that.

Okay. Okay, you see that? It's a dinosaur and a monkey. I don't know who's who. Well, whatever. I do like that, you know, that one of us is drinking out of a coffee mug. This is morning stream. The other one is drinking out of a coffee mug says, me, tea, it hit, do, digren.

Digren. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Also, am I eating a shrimp? What is that? Like on my little net. If that's me, I don't even know if that's me. If you're the, I feel like, yeah, I feel like I'd be the monkey and you'd be the, the dragon or the lizard Godzilla-looking thing. You got something funky hanging off of your notebook.

Look at where your USB connector is. What is that? Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, because I'm using technology from, from the 90s. And for some reason, a whole thing of donuts opened up for us out there. Yeah, and I can't figure out why there's, on one side, five rows of donuts and four rows of donuts. It's got a real MC Escher hive to it. Yeah, totally. Yes, exactly.

It's very weird. anyway. Shrodinger's Donuts. So I figured, okay, well, yeah, it's a one-off, weird. Who knows what our show is about, right? But then, here comes number two. I'll put this in Discord as well. This is the second image that arose. It's really a very curious George vibe to it.

Oh, look at that. Again. Another one, there are donuts. There's coffee. There is you and me as monkey and dinosaur, although you're really dressed up in this one. You have like a suit on and tie. Yeah, so yeah. There's really fancy.

Donuts and M. And what is the deal with the A in stream? I don't know. It's so left up. I hate AI so much. I love this artwork, though. I know it's great. The style's great. It's got a

real... I love that your microphone arm is just somehow magically suspended in air. The microphone arm almost makes a better A than the A in the logo. Yeah. And it's daisy chain hooked to yours somehow. with that cable but the other end of the cable's just hanging there i don't know these are how to how do the computers even work really okay so then you'd think all right well that's a fluke you got

two dinosaur monkeys in the creamer is that what that is now look at this one it really doesn't know how to do boxes no it really doesn't uh another one same deal and seriously every single time she's just katy's just typing the morning stream just the morning stream and that's it yeah And then you get this. Can you, I mean, does that make any sense? What is this?

This cup of cups are great. It does not make sense. I don't know why we're monkey and dragon or whatever we are. I think my cup says drowning in cream, drowning and cream. Oh yeah. He said, well,

dronon. Yeah, I don't know what that is. It's like somebody said, make it kind of like the Dunder-Mifflin mug. Yeah. But, but not quite.

Also, you have one, two, three, four, five fingers. And I have one of those. garden things that tells you when you need to water your

rhododendrons basically like a light blue thing is sticking the ground to say oh I need to water more yeah there's coffee beans all over yeah um okay I am so uh that that's accurate because like it be double fisting

not just extra fingers but extra coffee yeah double fisting the coffee yeah this to me that to me is the most realistic portrayal we've had so far then the final on fourth image. This one. I'm always dressed and you're always naked. For some reason, this one has a real

Bob's burgers vibe. Also, look at my jaw. Look at my mouth. There's a little beetle juice going on there. Yeah, it's effed. This one's effed. There's money on the table, though. Look at that.

There's money on the table. There's an iPad. There's multiple monies. It's like they, again, me with two coffees, clearly and look at our I'm sorry our microphones are our microphones are steaming hot or something

that is the best part I just knows that too like or they just stink like those are the stinkiest ass microphones those are stink lines there's some cash on the table there's yeah multiple cash multiple wads of cash

the donuts look and again coffee beans like, yeah, we're doing a morning show, quick, throw some coffee beans all over the table. I think there's something, you're probably, it's probably something to that, right? Because it's like, the computer's like, well, morning show, get up, get moving, you know, like they want caffeine in there. I don't know. I don't know how these computers work. But I love our mic stand is, you can sell this, look at this thing.

I like that mic stand a lot. I mean, although it really does require you and your co-host to be very close together and you don't. don't have any real control over uh over bringing your mic closer or further away from this we always have to be in these same positions but i like that yeah i'm a monkey but you're you're a dude in a in a godzilla suit for some reason yeah with an effed up mouth though look at that shit because look at that that's all attached to my face somehow i look like bob i look like bob or jean in there from bob's burgers just

I love these, Scott. I don't, I don't hate them either. You know, and I don't like, I'm kind of not, I don't like just, here's a prompt, now make some art, I hate it, but these are so stupid that they kind of exceed my expectations. Yeah, we got to put these, number one, we got to put them somewhere for the patrons or whoever. Everybody should see these, but, God, just the,

just the evolution between the four of them like it's it's like I mean it's like it's asking for different comic strip creators to come up with yeah

with the same can't imagine my artists hate this technology I just can't imagine yeah exactly yeah there's something very Matt graining about that fourth one little Bob's Berger is a little mat graining like especially my like the again we're assuming that I'm the monkey in this

case. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Did you see the one Dr. Calhoun just posted? What the hell, dude? Sorry, hold on. Did he just do the same? So, like, he just did the morning stream podcast. Yeah, look at it came up with here. It's... Oh, it didn't work for me. Oh, here. I'll give it to you. I have it. Yeah. Okay, here you go. Look at that. Oh. First of all, that is not you over there. That's not me either. Neither of those are us. No, but my... You're like, you're like, 28, and I'm like a 7-year-old Larry David all of a sudden. Yeah, you're like, Larry David, that's true. But look at this Spider-Man shit in the back.

Yeah, that tells me that they know some stuff. Like a musician, somehow a Popeye Justin Robert Young playing a sitar next to me. Yep, or something. There's like a Lego dude in the back. It's like a Lego guy? Yeah, there's like a laser gun. There's a dinosaur on the front lower left. Why is that keep coming up?

It's really, really funny how the dinosaur thing keeps coming up. And it's also called the morning stram. Yeah, the morning stram. Welcome to the morning stram, everyone. We're here. We're here every day on the Monday through Thursday. Okay. I feel like one of these needs to be turned into a t-shirt.

And my vote is kind of... I kind of like them. I kind of like the morning stream. I kind of like the morning strand. Yeah. What do you think? Like, all right,

how's this? Do we thought right off top of my head? Uh, we put up all five options. Yeah. With a voting system, whichever one gets the most votes, we, we have some t-shirts made.

We should do it and we call it. Or the, or a coffee mug or something. Something, something, yeah. Even if it's just prints or stickers or something. These are too stupid not to do it. Yeah, even prints.

totally prints or stickers like i cannot i'm looking i cannot figure out what half of these no what what 99% of the things that are flying behind us the two spider man especially flying spider man yeah what's with flight spider fly spider man look at him yeah i totally dig that is there any is there any precedence for that is there a flying spider man i guess he has webs when he coasts yeah he has the but he the the captain universe spider man could fly yeah that's true another flying spider man because he's a web swinger he's always got to be a swinger there's a there's kind of an optimist prime on the far left near the whoever this dude with the beard is oh yeah yeah see that the body of it with a dupe head so clearly this thing's like oh those guys are nerds

they do nerds yeah and but they know like the video game stuff the uh the music the spider man business like so much of it though is like there's a weird pumpkin yeah what is that pumpkin thing on top of another like a ghoul looking head music yeah exactly with music note legs there are there's suckers there's that that might be a joystick i don't know what any of this is but for whatever reason you and i look like retirement home specialist this is like this is an npr from npr it's the morning stram yep yep welcome to the stram it's good to have you all here chate room chate room in the stram all right Well, that was a blast.

That's great. These are, these are freaking awesome. And I want to, I don't want to, I want to download all four of them and never, never lose them because they're so good. They're pretty good. Okay. We are going to do one news story so that we can talk about this other thing, too. So here goes. I'm going to hit the thing.

I forgot where I am. Here we are right here. Nope, right here. Nope, right here. Time for the news. Brought to you by. Brat, by Coverville. Yeah, we're back this week. No, no trivia questions to write. Thank you very much.

We're back this week with a triple cover story today featuring music of and by the Manick Street Preachers, Corinne Bailey, Ray, and The Alarm. Talk about your wide range of stuff. But, you know, when you're doing covers, these all seem to work together. Great songs like, put your records on, rain in the summertime, and if you tolerate this, then your children will be next. All covers and covered. That's today at 12 p.m. Mountain Time, Twitch.tv.tv.tvs. Very nice. Here's one story for you. Do you know that we are getting the enhanced games? You've heard of the Olympic games. You've heard of the, you know, I don't know, playoffs and Super Bowls and all that. Sure, sure. Well, billionaire Peter Thiel. It's kind of a butthole by all accounts, but also one of the dudes that made all that. He was, he worked with Musk back in the PayPal days. The PayPal days, yeah, right. Anyway, he has a, he's backing a new competition called the enhanced games, which is, is doping legal Olympics. So no rules about doping, about taking steroids, enhancing yourself at all. You just play as is as enhanced as you want to be.

And it's, these are the games. And it's probably encouraged. Like, if you know that your opponents are all doping, you better be doping yourself or else you're at a huge disadvantage. Yeah, the whole thing will be you dope. If you want to compete, you better dope. And you're not going to be penalized or kicked or anything if you do. This is, you are supposed to do this.

this. It feels like a joke, but they're serious about it. Throughout its story history, no issue has plagued the Olympic Games more than doping. Athletes taking performance enhancing drugs or PEDs to gain competitive advantage. Well, from sprinters Ben Johnson to Marion Jones to swimmer's son Yang, even the state sanctioned Russian doping program. It's been a problem. But this group's like, you know what? Let's get some that Peter Thiel money. Let's get a whole thing going. I mean, I'm going to be dead honest with people here. I want to see this, okay? I have, I like, I got a bunch of moral issues with, like, just the idea of, like, let's drug everybody up and see who's strongest.

It just seems so, like, the most manly bullshit ever. But I kind of want to watch whatever this is. I want to see it, you know? It's like if you told me, hey, we're doing an Olympics where everybody's got cyber implants. I'd be like, you want to see it. Yeah. Yeah, let me show me see this show. This is like the kind of garbage television.

I'm totally in. what do we uh do we know when this is going to happen uh let's see they give us a date initially proposed in early 2023 the concept of the games uh came from an australian guy hold on let's see yeah thanks australia it's not even us can we is there going to be a contest who has the most shriveled sack oh i hope so that should be a part of every competition or how many uh heart attacks there geez yeah you know you know they ought to do that they ought to say um here's the swimming one let's check everyone's sacks okay well you win the preliminary sack thing all right the okay now we're doing javelin uh please expose your sack oh yours are real small

that gives you an advantage shot put here's your sack exactly uh well anyway it's the thing they don't have a date uh it just says they're working on it so they want to do it though for him to back it just feels like i probably because people like us even people who are or have some disdain for this kind of, are curious. So it probably just thinks it's a sure deal. Like, it'll just make money. Yeah. I mean, it just feels like such a, um, God, what is the, uh, like a TikTok version of

the Olympics kind of thing. Kind of, yeah, yeah. I mean, in, Mr. Beast or, you know, like, it does feel like Mr. Beast. We decided to try a whole bunch of Olympic events and really dope people up with some performance enhancing drugs. That's right. I'm 24. and I've got more money than God.

Yeah. All right. We're going to take a break. When we come back, my sister Wendy will join us and we'll be talking about a thing. So stick around for that. Brian,

you got some music to hold us over? No other setup you want to do while I figure out what the hell I'm playing? Oh, yeah, this is great. Oh, all right. I'm going to save the name of this band very carefully. It's a band called the Snuts. Oh, the snuts.

S-N-U-T-S. And if that's not a fun band name to say, I don't know what is. I love it. Big thanks to happy artist records of The Orchard for sending me this one. These guys are great. These guys are some straight up pop. And good pop.

Not like backstreet boys and sync kind of pop, but like Weezer. And if you take the edge off of Green Day, you kind of got a good solid pop band. Anyway, they've got their third album that is just coming out called Millennials. Oh, shit. Don't worry. I don't think they're, I don't think they're both neither condoning or promoting. They're just, I guess it's the same thing. They're not, oh, no, that is different.

Those are the opposite. Condone, yeah, promote, you can promote without condone. Or I guess you can condone and promote. You can do both. You can do both. You can don't and promote, yeah. Or per note. Anyway, they're not neither admonishing nor.

promoting. How's that? Whatever. The album is called Millennials. It's their third studio album. The band is called The Snuts. And this is their song, Millionaires. Just a million to get away In the four letter cat away The greener that will ever be

All right, all right Everything is so sweet and tight Drive between the sunset, oh, that Already no, no, we got it all so Don't you worry We'll be red-time set It's love us money We'd be million

Yeah Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh And Does it even

matter If we never get to every step we'd be That's ever figured Sun and see Get away We're free Where I'm a million is

You and me Because we're all right, all right Everything is so sweet and tight Driving to the sunset moonlight I already know No, no, we got it all so Don't you worry We'll be right

Yes, I said Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Her money With the

million Oh Oh Oh Oh Neal Both Our hands

Are Seeking Drinking Bodies Just To What a funny kind of speed up Master

Make up happy Don't you worry We'll be rich as well There's love for his money We'd be mayor It doesn't even matter if we never get to where we said we'd be. Yeah, it's all right, because love is free. Does the shoulder strap in your car cut into your shoulder?

Why, hello, chief. And we're back. Who was that one more time? As if I could forget Snuts. Yeah. You're never going to forget the name of this band. The Snuts. And their brand new song, Millionaires from their upcoming album, Millennials. And their headline tour actually starts Monday. So you can see them touring all around the U.S. Go see The Snuts. Go see the Snuts. They're live now in concert. Nicely done. Now this. Whoops, this. I'll explain the situation to Wendy. Don't worry.

Well, well, well, what is it we have here? It is my younger sister, Wendy, who joins us as she does each Thursday to do a little therapy Thursday. She's a professional therapist, but she comes here and slums it with us for a week to, you know, help people with their real problems. Wendy, welcome back to the show. How are you? I'm doing well. Yeah? She's probably fascinated by these weird images that she sees in Discord.

I don't know. Yeah, I am. I'm looking at them. Yeah, somebody, we had a fan or two fans in this case, but the first four of the, the monkey and the dinosaur where a listener just searched for the morning stream in the Bing image generator thing, AI generator. Oh, yeah.

And this is what I came up with. And we can't figure out why we are a dinosaur and monkey eating donuts and drinking coffee all morning. It's just a weird thing. It's still microphones in front of us. Yeah, with smelly microphones. And then the bottom one is somebody just did it while we were talking and came up with something totally different

that looks nothing like either of us, really. I mean, maybe. And Dr. Calhoun even gave us another one too. that I think has what I would say is the most accurate representation of Scott but no Brian to be found in this Melange.

Let's see. There's another link you put in. It was a direct email or a direct message from him. Did he send it to you to? No. Maybe. Oh yeah, he did. Here it is. Let me pull it up. Oh. That is straight up, Scott. Who are these other people?

Well, one of them is clearly Alex. Alex Albisou, goodness gracious. And then we think we've got Lee Ayakoka, the kid from Elliot from E.T. It's really weird. What it looks like when you take the robe off of a joa. Yeah, some robots, some bird as a bird, some shoes. Someone playing a guitar, is that the bird?

I mean, I guess. Fire, flaming bird playing guitar. Someone just, like, looked up in a... Someone typed, give me album art for the morning stream podcast, and this is what it spit out. This is what it spits out. That's amazing. Yeah, we're living in a chaotic time, Wendy. Yeah.

Yeah, we are. Why am I not on there? That's what I'm saying. That's what I. Exactly. What a sausage fest is why? Yeah, that's right. Or our show only has three female guests. That might be the reason.

Yeah, so you guys are so... I've got a lot of dudes on here. Well, anyway, it's good to have you here. I hope you're having a decent week and all as well on your front, I suppose. It's all going great. Do you guys ever get any snow this year or you just screwed? Just nothing? No, we're just screwed.

We got a little lake the other day. Yeah, it was 60 Monday. I love weather, by the way. 60 Monday and then yesterday morning when I walked the dog at 7 o'clock, it was 6 degrees. 6, 60 to 6. That's a significant drop. And today, yesterday, like 20. by this weekend. I mean, I think we're 70

at some point. Like, that's unheard of. That's crazy. That's insane. That's Minnesota, you guys. How can even have a new season of Fargo set in that place? It's not even going to be cold. Agreed. Agreed. Do you have no? And everyone's torn because it's like a statewide pastime to complain about weather.

And now we're all complaining it's too warm, which feels wrong. But it's just whack ado. Anyway, fuck. Yeah. Well, it's good day of here. Living our best. Yeah. Live in your best. Yeah, living your best life, really. Let's get to today's stuff.

First, we're going to do a little follow-up from last week. And I'll read this real quick. It was a question for Wendy after this week's Therapy Thursday, or I guess it was last weeks, the session on emotionally immature parents really resonated with me and even have the book on my nightstand. Maybe it's a sign I finally dig into it. Anyway, also, I didn't take this at first, but I guess they already had the book. They didn't get it because of you.

Can I tell you something really quick? Yeah. Every person I have. have talked to about this book in the last little while. Yeah. Has it. Really? In their house. Why? Wait, wait, wait. It's a lot of immature parents out there. It's weird. And I think it's a book you get, you run across. I mean, it has 22,000, like, five-star reviews on Amazon. So it's coming across people's feeds, obviously. Yeah. It's small. This is not like a well-known person writing it. Like, I think it just resonates so deeply

with people. Anyway, so each person I've talked to, I've said, have you heard this? book, and they're like, I have it. I just can't have them read it. I'm like, okay, well, read it now. Now read it. I got, you know, half of my clientele are reading it right this moment because it's good and it's helpful. Well, this message goes on to say, Wendy mentioned that those of us in this situation may never be able to be our quote, true selves, unquote, because we had to change for our parents. However, after doing that for 40 plus years, I have a hard time believing that isn't just who I am now. I'd love to hear Wendy's thoughts, M in Florida. So, uh, Yeah, I get that.

Like, there's stuff recently here, I don't get into details, but on Kim's side of the family, you get to be, you know, Kim's three years younger than me, but we're both, you know, middle-aged people. We've got three little grandbabies now. Like, we're in a very different time than we used to be. And we still, every once in a while, something will come up, we'll go, oh, my gosh, that has been dogging me for my whole life, and I didn't even know it. And it's something from a parent, right?

Yep. And that's, that seems like, that seems dire because you're like, well, I don't, you know, it's one thing if I'm 20 and I realize these things. But when you're like 40, 50, 60 and these things still come up, like, that's freaky. So anyway. This is why I'll never not have a job. Yeah. Because it's so much. And, you know, we parenting and raising kids, it's hard, you know, when when you're doing it, you're still.

ignorant. Especially when you're young, but you just don't, if we knew really kind of how sticky things can be for somebody, we'd be really scared of parenting more than we are. And I think it's because, you know, take a kid, you mostly meet their needs. I would say, at least, Scott, you could argue this with me, but I think mom and dad probably met most of your emotional needs, not all of them because no one's perfect. but they did not neglect you or block you in a closet or they didn't harm you in any real intentional ways and still you're going to have things where being really known or seen or

understood they missed and and it isn't that it's only up to parents to do all that work but they are the front line of your whole interaction with the planet and so it just has the most such a big impact right so you can see those in small that happens in small ways. And then you take really a lot of bigger ways. You take a parent who can really cannot see a child for who they are, allow them to be themselves, that kind of thing. And what happens is you just wrap yourself into the shape that your parents need you to be so you can try to get that love and get that acceptance and feel good. And that then becomes your whole personality. Like the emailer said, it just feels like, well, I don't, who else would

I'd be. I only have this. I've done it for 40 years or however long, right? And here's the thing. This is really scary. And many people will never go do this kind of work because it's just easier to keep running into the same wall, a wall that's familiar, right? Some people get a lot of relief when a parent dies because, okay, now they can't reject me anymore or I can't keep not getting what I need here. And so that can feel like relief and some change can happen then. Um, but really just on purpose, diving into this for someone can just be all new territory. Like, who am I really? So one of the exercises in the book, so yes, read the book, um, is to go back to before you, like the time before you morph to make everybody happy. So an example might be for

every single woman on, at least in the American continent, before middle school. Before you were overly sexualized or before you were, you know, those awkward middle school years for most people, what did you used to like to do? What used to just bring you joy or get you excited or whatever it might be? And so I did this with a client the other day and we found in her current life, she did zero of the things that we found were pre 12 years old. So it was sewing, reading, singing, like just living life, right?

And then as she had to twist into a pretzel to make everybody else happy and now our life is falling apart at 40 because you can't do this forever, we're finding so much solace and growth in actually going back to who you might have been early days. Now, if you were in a really severe situation,

you probably didn't have a lot of moments where you found things you loved because you were trying to keep mom happy from a very, very young age or dad happy or something, right? But for anyone listening, and maybe this person, you know, writing down a list of things of like, what did I used to love to do before I had a mortgage? Or before I had to make sure my spouse cared about me or my parents were pleased with me or whatever it might be.

Sometimes it's a great way to start to figure out who am I really, what do I like, and your own self-acceptance of that, right? because you have to deny those parts of you if they displease your parents, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Everyone who's ever been in any closet is like, uh-huh, amen. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. You can only keep that up for so long, too, like you were saying. Right. I always think of my 10th and 11th year of life. And for whatever reason, I have romanticized that two-year period almost ridiculously to the point that it's not that accurate. I'm sure I had moments of sadness or emotional this or that. I'm sure it wasn't perfect.

But I have nothing but fond memories of that. Puberty was nowhere to be seen. None of that mattered. All that mattered to me at 10 and 11 was finding snakes in the yard with my brother or getting on our BMX bikes and riding to the school and screwing around there all day or any number of other fun, adventure, good time stuff. it was an amazing time

I loved it and I think about it all the time and when I do that it actually has a weird positive effect on me when I think about that era it makes me go

I'm still basically that person and it's funny a lot of the things I like now are things I would I would love when I was 10 or 11

whether it's drawing or it's you know I don't know cartoons or you know whatever thing I just was obsessed with I still love those things but as an adult you you you sometimes put this on yourself sometimes society does it but you have

this feeling of like well i'm i'm not allowed to still go watch he man cartoons that's not cool to do that when you're in your freaking early 50s what's that about well who cares freaking go watch he man i know it's garbage but so what it was my garbage you know anyway the romanticization of that that time period comes from also the nostalgia of the things that you still love now, that you say, I know I was doing this when I was 10 or 11. So I must have, that must have been part of that whole thing. Yeah, yeah. Yes, and it is definitely connected.

And I would say, Scott, for this is me assessing your childhood from seven years younger than you. But I, you had, you really left out with your parents because that was not, like you being the weirdo that you are is. was valued. And that's because dad was a weirdo too. Yeah. And yet, I always felt that. I only, I only ever felt negative pressure on that outside of the home. Every, that was never a problem at home. Which, this is why life, it's not like your life is easy, but that's why you are as functional as you are, because it is so, that is so important developmentally for a child

to be witnessed as its actual self and its growing form. And that's what's, parenting is so hard. They changed a thousand times under your roof. And if you can't let them change or it should be, and the best advice I ever had was this lady I really respected. She brought me dinner when I had a baby. And she said to me, hey, I'm just going to throw this out here. But when I met my kids, and she used that word, I met them. When I met my kids. Yeah. When I met them, I felt like, wait a minute, aren't I supposed to just be like, in love and this is this most? She's like, Yeah, all I felt was like, hi, my name's Brooke. I'm going to be your mom. Weird. I didn't have that stuff people talked about.

Yeah. And that helped lower the bar of like how you're supposed to feel for me. But it was also super right on, which is I don't know these kids yet. I'm going to, I'm going to get to know them rather than I'm going to form them and they're going to make me feel good because they play baseball or basketball. There's also, it's funny because there's a thing happening right now. It's kind of a celebrity thing, but Bradley Cooper is being taken to task for an interview he did on Dax Shepard's podcast where they were talking about kids and how it changes your life and everything. And he said he didn't think he loved this kid when she was born. He says, here's a quote, it's dope, it's cool. I'm watching this thing, Morphy said, referring to his daughter, fascinated by it. Love taking care of it would die if someone came in with a gun.

It's only a couple of months. I don't know. He doesn't, he's not feeling that like I would die for this kid feeling or I don't know if I, I know I'm meant to take care of it, but do I love what this is? I don't even know what this is and it took time for it. People are really piling on him for this. But I think what he was saying was, and I haven't heard the whole interview, but I think it's context matters. But I think what he's basically saying is I wasn't expecting to not feel those feelings then. I feel them now, but it took time. It's okay to admit that. You know? Yeah, you just can't do anything in the internet age and have a nuance. Well, especially of your, yeah, especially if you're Bradley Cooper. But also, like, what is happening in someone that this is, this is, I don't know, a fool's errands, but what is happening for people that they get so triggered by someone saying

something about their own experience that in the end, he's not saying, you know, I don't even like this kid. I'm just going to pay for it, I guess. Yeah. I mean, but what triggers that in us? and that's, if you can get curious about that, that doesn't trigger me one iota. But I also had parents that, man, you paved the way. I was easy to get to know. They did not have to twist their brain to understand me. I was very boring and straightforward. I was still

myself, right? But does that make sense? Like, that's how it actually should be. And if you weren't given that as a kid, if you were not allowed to be yourself, then it's going to really hit you certain things are going to hit you more than other things right you're going to hear a celebrity say a thing and freak out like my favorite is however gets obsessed with like the the bathing habits of celebrities oh they don't they only shower wash their hair once a week or some whatever and you're like what and that's because that's your stuff yeah like how and you're not they're not allowed to have their own weird thing that they do because you need them to be something that's about you And so it is a fascinating little kaleidos.

It's about you, but it's also about the depersonalization of people you don't know, but you think you do. Like somehow Bradley Cooper is the worst thing in the world because he could honestly talk about attachment development, which is normal. Now, the real problem is if you're not allowed to have that be your experience, like Brooke, who had to shake hands with their kids, then if that's not permissible, then what do you do? You're going to fake like it's something? Like, you know what kids need? His parents faking it, right? More faking it. That's the hard thing.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I just, it was a thing I had to learn that not everybody was thrilled. Like when my kids all popped out the shoot, I was stoked. I was so excited. Emotionally, just so ready. It was, there are high points of my life still. Like, this is the most amazing thing.

And my relationship with them now matters more to me than anything. But it took me a while to realize that not every. Everyone is having that experience in the ER, not ER, but in the birthing room. Their fears that they may have had leading up to it don't suddenly abate like mine did. Some of them carried forward. Some of them never left. Some of them still deal with it now and they're whatever. And to me, that feels really foreign and weird.

The hard part is just going, yeah, it does feel foreign and weird to you because that's not yours. That's not your thing. And somebody else's experience, you got to get better about understanding that not everybody had that experience, you know. Well, and also, let's go back to your 10, 11-year-old highlight, real. That is, when I'm working with someone to help heal a lot of these wounds that happened when they were younger, and they don't have a 10-year-old life like that, they don't have a 5-year-old life like that.

They were very young ages, whether through abuse, directly obvious, physical, sexual, any kind of abuse like that, or the more insidious and dangerous emotions. abuse, they were not allowed to be children in the same way that your, that concept of just free and carefree and safe and loved. And there's a place to come home and eat. Like, notice you weren't like, where will I eat tonight? Right. Or what kind of dad am I coming home to? Like, those are real things these children have experienced, right? And that has carried on throughout their life. So when you are feeling the burnout at midlife or even earlier because you've had to play a role, you've had to survive, it's your adrenal glands give out, right? Automune disorders are

connected. Your body is showing you because you couldn't see it earlier because it was the water you were swimming in. You don't know. But when those signs come up, it's the body's way of going like we can't we're not doing this anymore yeah so even if it's 40 years in and you think this is my personality i promise your everything in your physical system doesn't want it anymore and so to heal that often what i'm doing with these folks is getting that these sort of you know when you ever hear healing your inner child or preying your inner child it's literally what this means is allowing that inner child to play and to not be trapped inside this system that was requiring them to be something else.

So it is really about creating your highlight 10-year-old reel for these kids who never got to have that and can be incredibly life-altering for them. I had a client recently. We did a session similar to this and just really freeing up this little kid and her that had to keep mom safe emotionally because mom is not okay. And what happens when that kid no longer feels that burden, the whole system just relax. She's like, what voodoo is this? Her husband said, what happened? But I would like to sign up. Because it's like holding your breath your whole life. It's like waiting for the other shoe to

drop your whole life. And there are ways to help and treat this. And I guess that's what I'm hoping for. And when people, that book is nice because it's concise and accessible and 22,000 people gave five stars, maybe people will look at it and kind of identify some stuff that's kind of held them to be reactive or sad or isolating or whatever it is they're doing right now there's often explanations from earlier stages. Sure, sure. Well, I hope this helps our follow-up,

Asker, because I don't know, I got a lot out of last week's episode and I think other people did too. Parents, man, what are you going to do with them? A bunch of weirdos, right, Carter, parents, right? Am I right? Nothing, I'm teasing. You go back to work.

Can't live with them, can't do. Can't be born without him. Can't be born without him. All right, we've got a whole other email here. It's a bit of a beast, but I think we can get through this in terms of answering the question. You want to read it? You can read it. Oh, sure.

Let me read it. Totally up to you. Yeah, you start with the dear Wendy, and then we'll give all the advice. Okay. So, dear Wendy, my daughter is about to turn 11 years old. Ooh, that's that special time we're talking about. Okay. And she's been seeing a therapist for anxiety for a few months now.

she says she likes it and that it's been helping her the other night as her mom was putting her to bed she asked if there was a book that she could get so that she could learn more about anxiety she said she wanted to learn more about her anxiety and that she wanted to learn more tools and techniques for managing her anxiety so on the surface this is simply a book request for my 11 year old daughter but let me give more context in case it helps oh this is a listener they know i need to know because i'd also like to know things that i can do as a parent to help her through this so that's going to be important um so My daughter has always been a bit of a warrior, but it's gotten worse over the years. She worries a lot in unfamiliar situations and situations where she has a perceived lack of control. Some examples are that she recently went with a friend's family on a day, on a day trip, two hours out of town. She was very anxious about whether the friend's mom, whom she knows very well, by the way, was going to get mad at her for some reason. Another example we go anywhere, she always has to make sure that they have a bathroom there because she is worried about whether or not she will have a place to go. She doesn't have a bowel issue at all and has never had any urinary tract infections or anything. It's just something that she fixates on.

She catastrophizes quite a lot and has a hard time focusing on the potential positive outcome of a situation. Therapy has helped her some. It seems like she has gotten better at managing her anxiety at school and feels better day to day. But it also seems like her anxieties have been distilled or concentrated more intensely in specific reoccurring moments and situations. Bad times are always hard for her. recent. Oh, bed times. It's all right. Thank you. Bed times. Recently in her class, they've been discussing history and have talked about social justice and equal rights movement. So in the past couple nights or months, she has had a hard time going to bed thinking that the KKK are going to break into her house and hurt her or other people in our family. Our family is white, by the way. I mentioned that because I think it illustrates to me how much she catastrophizes. She thinks that because she has black friends that she's going to be, because she has black friends, she's going to be targeted. I worry a little bit about OCD. tendencies because she seems to have these series of rituals that she's been developing around bedtime. She has to say good night, give a hug and a kiss, and you have to make sure you say it back to her.

And then if you take too long to leave the room after doing that, you have to do it all over again. And after you leave, she has to go around and systematically check the closet under her bed, make sure her alarm is set and do the good night ritual again. Anyway, this is the longest request for a book, we're in Bandation ever. How can we help her? Low. Sign concern parent. do sound concerned.

Yeah. That's a lot. So guys, what do you share? What do you think? Oh, man. Tristan had, he had rituals. Like, there were things that, um, uh, like, uh, you know, he had to do at bedtime, uh, trying to remember. It was something similar, right?

Where, you know, we had to give him a hug and kiss and a, in a regular order. He liked order. He liked, you know, following a, uh, a process. for all those things. I think it calmed him. And he would also, he would catastrophize as well. Like if he saw a movie where somebody broke into a house, he'd be worried about that too.

For the record, if I watch, if I watch a heist, not a heist movie, but like a movie where there's like somebody breaking into somebody's house right before bed, I either dream about it and it freaks me out, or I wake up in the middle of the night and all of a sudden, hear a noise that of course has to be somebody breaking into the house yeah yeah i can i have stuff like that but it yeah um it's funny because everybody's probably going to have a version of this right or you're going to have some level of this for me this hits really home because i catastrophes

or i've gotten better at it in recent years but i used to be really bad at this all the all the way up into adulthood um in fact it felt like it's right around puberty where i got where anxiety happens for me That's where it kicks in. Prior to that, I felt like it, who cares? Like the whole world's my oyster, let's go. Something about that changed. I don't know if that's just chemically or whatever the deal is. And maybe this girl's on the cusp of that and that has something to do with this.

I don't know. But there is something about hormonal changes that I felt like were my catalyst for that. But my anxieties are often like this. It's like, oh, that's a terrible thing that happens to people. now I'm going to internalize that to the point where I think about, well, then, that could happen to me then. If it can happen to other people, it could happen to me, which is interesting because on the one hand, I think some kids would think that way and go, oh, this happens to other people. I'm going to be more empathetic toward them so I understand their situation because, boy,

I sure wouldn't like that to happen to me. And then there's a subset of kids who go, that happens to other people, that's going to happen to me. You know, like it's just a different way of taking the same information. And I did a lot like she does, I think. when I was young and also so here's here's a big difference between two of my kids so in in Taylor's case if she felt sick at all she would look at me and go dad I don't want to throw up and she would just like have this whole meltdown about the possibility of barfing Carter on the other hand would go I don't feel good did you see that dad I threw up like it wasn't a big deal for her it was just like a part of and we would talk and she would be just as

energetic after her she was before but for Taylor was a devastating stating you know oh my gosh i'm going to throw up sort of dread the dread of it the dread of it all and it and it was a very distinct difference between their two personalities and i i am a little more like on taylor side like i don't talk much about it but this dental visit i had to do yesterday or two days ago uh i was dreading that so bad so bad i'm going to do it i'm going to go i'm going to suck it up and make it happen but i really really don't want to do it and it obsessed my thoughts i couldn't sleep the other night all i could think about it was a stupid dental visit But so some of us just feel like we can never shake this kind of crap.

And then some of us do because they go to therapy and take care of their problems. So I don't know. I don't know if this isn't. I obviously doesn't answer your question about what will you tell this girl? Because all I'm saying is I can relate to it. And, you know, Brian had experiences with this son that are similar. So it's, I think there's some relation here. But I don't know what I don't know what to tell them because I don't even know what to tell

myself at this. I catastrophize all the time. Still. Good thing you guys have an expert here. Okay. Good. I was like, you guys, this is not good advice. What are you? No, it's terrible. Hey, you asked us. So we're just telling you are exactly. We like to be the, we like to be the worst examples possible to make your stuff even look better than it already is. I know. I feel like you're what is that called? You're propping me up. Whatever. Okay. Yeah, no, I'm totally kidding. That was great. But it's also this like you can relate, right? you can relate. It's hard. Parenting a kid who's feeling really anxious is tricky. So you follow the ritual with her. And in your case, Tristan, like it just made him feel better. So let's do it.

And you don't maybe think much about that. And then as things are kind of getting worse, that is a clue to a couple of things. So I'm going to put in the chat, Scott, the book I would recommend. Okay. Well, it's a link to an Amazon thing. Anyway, this is, if you're, I can't diagnose someone from far away, but if this, the things that you're saying are what's happening and that's just a picture of it. This is definitely OCD. And OCD is treated differently than regular anxiety. And so it sounds like great. You got a therapist on board. And this little girl is suffering. And her brain is telling her to do certain things. And or bad things will happen.

Here's the thing that's hard to know as parents. It sounds like you have a good relationship with her and you're connected. And she's maybe not sharing everything. Maybe she is. I don't know. But often with OCD, there can be a lot of scary, intrusive thoughts that are happening. Just like, okay, this is all going to blow up. So there's an anxious thought.

It's fairly intrusive, right? OCD as a special blend of the anxiety family, those thoughts are really, disturbing and they're like they they don't go away and so it might be if I don't check the oven the house of blow up my family's going to die but I also can't tell my family that's what I'm doing or they will also die so they're they're being tormented and they can't really convey that so that's the question we don't know I don't if I hear these symptoms with the kid I am thinking okay what you see on the surface is trying to manage what's going on inside And what's going on inside is usually a lot worse than your guess if you have never had OCD or sort of had some experiences knowing what this might look like.

So take this very seriously. And the first thing I would do is talk to the therapist, mention maybe they're already aware of these symptoms. And I would, I would do this. Mainly because a parent did this to me way back in the day. And it was such a gift to my career. So her daughter had OCD. The mom had OCD. They both had pretty intrusive thoughts, lots of repetitive behaviors to try to manage intrusive thoughts.

So they met me, they were referred by someone who knew me. So we did a session. The girl loved me. And the mom's like, what do you know about treating the OCD? And I'm like, well, I can treat anxiety. OCD's a little new for me. She's like, how do you feel about me paying for you to get training? Wow.

And I was like, whoa, okay. So she bought me a couple books. And then I really started really studying OCD and how to treat it. And I did everything wrong prior to that, everything wrong because you don't treat it the same. And that's why I'm acting so alarmed here is that if you have a therapist that is working with your daughter who is just is not skilled in treating OCD, you're going to get, this is going to be worse. because so take somebody who's anxious they're having they're freaking out about this they're having a thought of something terrible is going to happen they're catastrophizing there's something you can handle that in two different ways one is you can go join them and tell them

it's terrifying you're right it's all gonna we're all going to die um and often when that happens someone might actually calm down a little bit um other times when someone's just when someone acts just as crazy or not crazier when they act more extreme than they are yeah it has a weird this has happened to me before it has a weird feeling of like oh are you okay like now i got to help you yeah exactly because all of a sudden your focus shifts to oh what can i do to help this person as opposed to how am i reacting to this whole thing yeah that's weird right so now imagine it's your parent and i'm not saying that's happening here but imagine a parent who's supposed to the one that protects you and is safe and they freak out with you. Okay, that's, that's alarming.

Right. Then the second version, another version is they, the parent or the person, you reassure them too quickly. You discount what they're thinking or experiencing or, you know. And so that actually, with anxiety, can soothe you a little bit or like, I guess it's going to be okay. But how it makes it's so much worse with OCD, is that you have now created a ritual or a requirement for someone to come in and fix the thing. And the very soothing, nice response, or like, it's going to be okay. And, you know, all of that empathy, empathy actually backfires and proves the kids' point, which this is something that's terrifying.

Okay. So when you do that over and over with a child who has OCD, it get their rituals will get worse you will see the thing that's the only nice thing about OCD is you can see what's not working and I'm hearing some improvement with maybe the general anxiety but I'm hearing it maybe devolving more into OCD behaviors so that tells me there might be two things happening and the OCD is now flaring up because it's actually the opposite treatment so we've I've joked about exposure therapy before like oh it's exposure therapy, running into your ex-boyfriend or whatever. But that is actually the ground standard

treatment model for OCD is to be exposed to the thing you're afraid of or the germ. If it's a contamination feeling or one or, you know, like there's a bunch of them. Could you, could you take somebody who's like afraid of germs and stuff, take them to a public place and just for the next 20 minute you're going to open every doorknob you see and you're not going to worry and you're not going to worry about it or you're just going to deal with it here we go open this one open this one and open this one eventually they they realize well i open 20 doorknobs i washed my hands after just once and it was fine and i don't have to worry is that the kind of exposure you're talking about yeah it's definitely not like that exactly but it is the same concept of like expose them to the

the thing that creates the panic response yeah yeah and then elongate the time before they can perform the ritual that calms them down. Oh, I see. Right. So think of OCD as a brain glitch. Everyone's got a little anxiety, right? And then some people's anxiety gets bigger and bigger. OCD is like a wire gets tripped that then makes it so intense and requires you to behave in ways

in order to solve the problem. So we have a universally loved version of OCD. You know, if you step on a crack, you break your mother's back. That is OCD. But we play. It's a childhood, like, because there's a couple magical thinking kinds of things that happen with kids in their brains. This is when it's, it's like it's stuck in the on position forever.

And so the way to unstick it, medication is really valuable. I would consider, because here's what's tricky. You want to get on top of this before this gets much worse. And often these kids historically have just stayed under their radar. and hidden these compulsions and then what happens is we've got now parents are way more on top of things and you know we have services and we do the thing and we're trying to help I just want to emphasize getting specialized OCD making sure that the therapist you're working with isn't accidentally making it worse because I did I was that therapist right and until that

mom was willing to buy me a bunch of books and I was willing to you know to learn for myself, I mean, I would have done everything wrong. And it doesn't mean, you're not going to super harm the child, but you are going to elongate the process before she gets the real help that she does. Now, again, I'm not diagnosing her from far away, but I mean, it's, it's, that's really likely what it is. Do you think, I mean, I don't know, the general consensus is within the, you know, medical community and the mental health community, but things like OCD, like severe examples of OCD, having to count your steps, no crack walking, I don't know, whatever. Turn the lights on and off. Yeah. All those sorts of things. Those are recoverable

situations, meaning like people can end that in their life successfully, or is that a thing they're just always going to have to deal with and you're going to just stamp it down? You know what I mean? Yeah. Not that you stamp it down. Don't ever do that. That makes it ten times worse. It is actively treating it. So if it's actively treated, think of it as like remission, right? And medicine, so there's a couple SSRIs that are really helpful for this. And some people that works really well for and can just manage it completely that way. Most people need both medicine and some therapy.

And it's just knowing what it is. It doesn't make sense. So talking to an average person about it who's never experienced or treated anyone with it. You just, it doesn't make sense to you. So, hey, I just locked my front door. I got in my car and the intrusive thought is, you're, the door's not locked. You're going to get robbed. So you have to go check it. And you're checking it a hundred times. Try to explain that to anyone who's not doing that. It's hard. Yeah, it seems crazy. It's so hard. They feel crazy. They can't stop it. They know, they know this isn't normal. It's not like they're in another.

they're in a delusion. They just can't not do it because their whole system is telling them if you don't check that door this last time. So you can see how it really interrupts your life. And so yes, treatment, there's good treatment. And I've seen people go in remission and do really, really well. You always think of it as like any other challenge. You just have to keep on top of it and not let it get too far. And the hard part is early detection. That's why I'm feeling very emphatic that they do this now because she's 11 and 11 is so early to catch this and do good with it like truly um because it's it this is not just simply anxiety um and you just want to make sure you get good care because your long term outcomes are just going to be better because

she won't be building more and more rituals hiding them feeling shame like we can get her out of all of those things and find out what's maybe really also going on in her head Because sometimes, I mean, I've had clients tell me their compulsive thoughts, their obsessive thoughts that are violent and terrifying or, you know, really gross and really disturbing. Do you imagine you're a kid, you just think you're evil? And you're not. Your brain is glitching and you need help. So we just don't know what is going on in her head. And so someone who's skilled at this is going to make a big difference.

So mom and dad, bless. I think it's maybe two dads. I don't know. All the parents, everyone involved, like recognize that this is not a parenting problem. This is, you know, as we just talk about how parents screw stuff up. This is not a parenting problem, but parents can definitely make it worse. And so we just want you to get what you need to understand to do it to help her in ways that are not going to add to it, but we'll help her manage it. And a reminder, bookwise, OCD workbook for kids, it's called.

Yeah. So that is my secondary recommendation. This should not be your first line of defense. Your first line of defense should be a qualified OCD-specific therapist for her. Your second thing. Yeah. Yeah. And this book is awesome.

You're going to learn a ton as the parent. It's a book you can go through together. It's about built for her age, I believe. And it will give her a much better understanding of her symptoms and understanding it differently. This also isn't a book from the 50s. This is 2017. This thing was published. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that whole series, anything that looks like that, they're different authors, but it's the whole series. So for like anger issues or anxiety or, well, that's another one, a depression book. They're really helpful because it's on a kid's level. It's quality stuff. Anyway, so that whole series is good. But yeah,

that would be helpful, I think, for the whole family. And just recognizing. recognizing like that mom back in the day, like, this is, this is not, I mean, and here's the thing, the mom had intrusive, um, intrusive OCD thoughts that activated when she was in her, like, early 20s. And because she knew it was something else than just, oh, there's my depressed, sad, anxious kid. She knew. She just liked me enough to, you know, guide me to actually be qualified. And I thank her, because what a gift to give somebody, right? She's like, please don't let me offend you, but you're not qualified. And she was absolutely right. Yeah, that stuff's great. You got to accept it for what.

Like today, I taught Kim, how to make a PDF, you know? Oh, see. Yeah. It's not quite the same impact, but it's important that we impart our knowledge and how it others do better. What kind of you. Pass along those things that the next generation or people in our, our lives are going to need to. I mean, look, these, these taxes weren't going to do themselves, so I figured I'd help out. Well, that's great. Wendy, as always, it is a pleasure, as dad would say,

to do that. And I look forward to whatever we do next. Wendy's, of course, coming to Vegas as well, everybody. So if you haven't gotten your tickets, get in there over at frogpans.com slash store and pick them up so you can meet Wendy. That's your real, even if that's all your goal is for that week, she's got you. That's a good goal to have. I agree. Yeah. We're going to do a fun we're going to do another fun meetup thing um and yeah i haven't quite figured out what exactly it is but i got a couple of yeah barry barry is very happy to help the patio the patio things yeah he reached out to kim as well and said if you guys need that he says you guys make sure wendy know she has it so great they are wonderful human beings uh wendy have a fantastic week we'll see you next

time by there she goes real quick here before we get out just indulge me a little here brian if you don't mind of course anytime you do that a lot and i appreciate it you indulge you're not you're not going to use a toothpick for no no no no no none of that i'm not going to eat on air none of those things none of those things i'm trying to try to keep those to a minimum some gummy worms or something yeah i'm going to choose some um some tinfoil no here's what i'm going to do uh yesterday taylor sent us this video. I'm just saying we got Phoebe's a year old. All right. Now it's one thing for her to say hi or bye bye or something like that. But last night she's eating crackers and she has this conversation with Tay and I just had to share the audio. So check this out. And all you young

kids will especially get it because this term is one that you all love. So here we go. And your crackers? Crackers. They're busing. They're busing. Her crackers are busing. Bussin? Isn't that great? I'm so out of loop. I don't even know what that means. I'm going to say, good. Good.

I think Busson means, oh, man, that burrito was busting. I think that means it was just really good. I don't know that I'm kind of afraid to look it up, to be honest. I know. We've been burned so many times. Yeah. Let's see. Well, okay, so here's how it's pronounced.

Bussin. All right. Sure. Okay. Thanks. Let's see. Those for McDonald's fries sure do be bussing, though, is a use case. Okay, here's it.

Greasy? Is it being greasy, right? Is it that? It says delicious, tasty, excellent, or extremely good, often used for food. But a food almost exclusively or very specifically for food. For food, yeah. But I think it can also be like your shoes are buss in or you know. Yeah, yeah.

It's a really dumb phrase, but to hear a one-year-old say it really made my day. It's no weirder than Ilan, which is, you know, our time period. Yeah, we did Illen. We did Radical. I mean, we did stupid shit. So you guys have your time. It's fine. Have your time saying stupid shit.

It's fine. Yes, exactly. Your time. That's right. Today, Coverville, noon? Noon. Yeah, so about an hour and ten minutes. I'll be starting Coverville playing some Marvel Snap.

Got a She-Hulk Infanat deck that I've been playing around. around with that I kind of have fun with. Oh, nice. So that'll be, so both gamers and music lovers, your day is coming. Today's your day. You get both all in one. That's right. Also, Core tonight, 4 p.m. Mountain Time right here at the streaming channels, if you watch live. Got a lot to talk about there, more layoffs in the industry. Sony did a big nasty one. Piss me off. Oh, wow. Whatever, it's a mess right now. Also, I'm going to stream something in place of couch party tomorrow. I don't know what yet, but Brian's got an airport run with his mom. taking my mom to the airport so uh no couch party i'm going to try and do guess the connection

either late afternoon or um tomorrow morning before i leave so that could be as early as like a 730 a m couch or a guess the connection sure why not early early birds get ready all you australians you just be having dinner or whatever there you go exactly uh play retro tomorrow at 1.30. And Skim also tomorrow sometime. Don't know what time yet. Kim and I are working on that. And then FilmSack this weekend, we are doing Tron finally. Holy crap. I'm so excited. I love Tron. Gosh, I love Tron. And I know that Tron, for a lot of people, especially if you didn't see it back in the day, you weren't a kid then, it probably looks like cheese. But man, the feelings I have for Tron, they are deep. For sure. Yeah. We'll see how it holds up. That weird black and white

colorized visual style, the early CG stuff. Young Jeff Bridges. Yeah, man. Pre-Libowski. Yeah. Way, way pre-Libus.

I think he's even pre-Star Man, pre- Oh, yeah, for sure. Very early for you. For a lot of us, this was one of the first things we ever saw Jeff Bridges in. Yeah. This was like, oh, that's Lloyd Bridges' son.

That's a mountain as we knew. Right, right, exactly. And played the video game, like the video game came out. And I remember it was an arcade in the basement at Cinderella City, the big mall, at a lower level. And there was a place called Cinderella that had an

arcade in it. I love it. And we played it the first day it was there. Like, oh, we've got a brand new game. It's actually a tie-in to a new Disney movie. And then it was like, oh, cool. There are four. And like, there was a guy from the company that put the machine into this arcade that was there letting people play it for free and telling

you, now you're going to have four choices. You can do any of these four games, but you've got a complete all four to get up to the next level. Wow. And, uh, yeah. I can, I can confirm Brian's good at Tron. We played a little bit in Vegas last year.

And, um, it's what you beat me in, right? Yeah, yeah. It's how I got kicked out of the competition. I hear the spiders multiplying. Yeah, do you hear that? Right there. Oh, man.

I love that game. Anyway, Tron, this weekend, check it out. That is going to do it for us. If you're looking for TMS info, no matter what it might be, you can find it at frogpants.com. TMS. Let's play a song to get us out of here. What do you get? Okay. Mike Couch, a.k.a. Sofa Leaper says, hey, wanted to request something for my 10th birthday and 40th trip around the sun, as well as for any other leapers in the tadpool. This listening since the

beginning heard the show announced on Coverville. Oh, wow. So heard me talking about TMS on coverville on that. It's not, not often that it comes the other way. Usually it's like, oh, I heard about coverville because you talked about on TMS. Yeah. So he wants something leapy. He says, that tender crisp bacon has talent, though. Oh, my gosh. Okay, so let's see how we can do this.

Tender Chris Bacon, Tadder Ranch. And then, wait, the talent thing. Talent though, I think is the, whatever happened, MC Hammer. Oh, MC Hammer. Do I have that handy? Oh, it has been ages since I played that. All right, I'm going to find it. Hammer.

I got to have it under Hammer. If it's not under Hammer. It might be under Curry because it was an Adam Curry thing. MC Hammer is certainly not a role model. That's not it. And what's MC Hammer doing? There it is. You know the guy's got talent.

I knew it was in there. What's he doing? What's he doing? What's he going on with him? A lot of people lamenting the disappearance of MC Hammer. All right. How about something leapy? You know, I had very few options for Leap Day in my library.

There were good covers. But this is a great cover of a great song. I'm a huge Billy Bragg fan. So this one kind of felt like a no-brainer to me. And this is another one that kind of begins one way, but then as the song goes in, it evolves into something different. BioCow, it's not Jump Day, it's Leap Day.

Leap Day. I have 100 songs with Jump in the title, but the Sleep Day Day Day. Day of the Jumper, not Day of the Leaper. Okay, get it right. The Evil Leaper, exactly. Anyway, this is a band called The Ghost Set with their cover of Waiting for the Great Leap Forward or as Billy Bragg says it,

Whiting for the Great Leap Forward. That's how he sings it. From the album, Best of Modern Noise, Volume 2, here is the ghost set. It might have been Camelot for Jack and, Jacqueline. On the take of our highway, filling up with, Gasoline. Fidel Castro's brother spies, a rich lady who's crying. I'm a luxurious disappointment. He looks over and is trying to sympathize with her. But he thinks that he should warn her that the third world is just around the corner.

In the Soviet Union, a scientist is blinded by the reception of nuclear testing, and he is reminded. That talk to other, often-hires, optimism built at the first hurdle. In the cheese pavilion, we round the sound I hear. All the people stacking chairs, they're hopping up, smooth beer, and then someone asked some questions by the busking in the light of the 15th, right from minutes of the fanzim right down. Talking poppin politics He asked me what the use is And I offer him embarrassment

And my usual excuses What I'm looking till I'm carnal At whoever bad is waiting Cause we're waiting For the great leap forward Chambled tiles and organised pamphlets have been hosted, even after closing time there's still parties to be hosted you can be active with the active verse of sleeping with the sleepers when you're waiting For the great, leave forward

I want to lead forward To the fuck, yeah, politics gives me the stack Where I'm saying for the great Leave forward Here comes the future and you can run forward If you've got a blacklist, I want to be on Where I'm wasting for the great Leave Forward

But it's a muggy long white down rock and roll from the top of your bomb suit, drawing the door in the door. We're waiting for the Great Leave Forward. No one else don't understand. You've got your own revolution and you can't have the middleman. White saying for the Great Leave Forward. We're in a pathetic world. We don't sing it soon but this is reality so give us some room.

White Day, you've got the Great Leave Forward. Join this struggle wall You made a revolution It's just a teacher to wait Waiting for the greatly power We're waiting for the great lead forward We're waiting for the rightly power We're waiting for the rightly power

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