The Morning Stream - TMS 2612: Hex On Your Family

Episode Date: March 11, 2024

Glimpse of His Ruffalo. Crying Over Spilt Loudermilk. Owen it all to Wilson. Smell meat every day. Faking Authenticity. Thanks For The Burp Bubble. Scott's Desert Problem. Day-walking Podcasters. Throwing Seven in the snow. Godzilla Zero Point. Are you racist or what's the problem. The Owen Wilson influence. Talkin' about Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssss with Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Smell me eat every day. Faking authenticity. Thanks for the burp bubble Scott's Desert Problem Daywalking podcasters Throwing seven in the snow Godzilla Zero Point Are you racist or what's your problem

The Owen Wilson influence Talking about bees With Bobby and more On this episode of The Morning Stream Chickmate Damn I lost again Ever since we were kids You've always run out of steam

In the closing stretch And that is why Jenny left you Shit The morning The morning The morning M.S.E. The morning stream.

What could a young cop like you want with an old fossil like me? Hello, everybody. welcome to TMS. It's the morning stream for Monday, March 11th, 2024. I'm Scott Johnson. And right here with me right now, it's Bobby Frankenberger who's sitting in for Brian Ibit. Hi, Bobby. Hi, I was listening. Every once in a while when I'm on the show, I hear you do the intro and it just feels like I'm just listening to the show, you know, and I really expected you to say, and there's Brian Nibitt. Yeah, I almost did. I'll be honest. I felt it creeping up into my vernacular. as I was talking. I felt the habit, you know. But you said that and I was like, oh, oh, I'm on the show. Okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's right. You're here with us. You're not just listening today. You're saying to yourselves, well, where's Brian Abbott? He had a, so short story out of a long one over the weekend. He told me, he says, hey, I've got to pick up my mom from the airport. She's back from her cruise. It'll be on Sunday night at midnight, and it should be fine. I'm planning on a show. I'm just letting you know in case something goes long. I'm

said, no problem. All good. Last night, Oscars are over. He sent, he sent, me a text and just says uh here's we got a problem she's not getting into like two or two 30 now for some reason a two two and a half hour delay from the airline and I'm like oh man that sucks and so we mutually decided yeah you don't want to be you don't need to be here we can we can you know bobby's available we can do something we'll figure it out so it all worked out I hope he is getting some rest uh Brian's an early bird though he's not one to sleep in so my guess is he's just up and annoyed that he can't get extra sleep. That's what I'm thinking right now. I could be wrong. He'll tell me. But if I know Brian and his early bird tendencies, he also can stay

out late. This is a guy here. Let me say something that irritates me about Brian. And I wish I had this superpower. I just don't have it. I am definitely a night person. I like nights. And back in the day, I could stay up all night. No problem. But even when I had a solid eight hours, nine hours of sleep, even as a teenager or whatever, morning's just the worst, just absolutely the worst. And you say, well, Scott, why did you make a freaking morning show? What were you thinking? Well, the reason it's at nine is because it isn't eight or seven, all right? Right. It used to be earlier. It used to be, when we started, this thing was at seven a.m. My time. And that turned out to be, that was bad for everybody, but it was just like, why are we doing this? This is stupid. Let's

put it a couple hours later so we did but anyway uh so i can't do both ends of that of that candle brian can do it he can stay up all night and have fun and party hearty or whatever and then next morning up at the crack of dawn feeding a dog or a cat you know first coffee down look at the sunrise like all that stuff i'm not that i can't do that and i don't know very many people who can so uh what's your typical cycle on a on every day when you go to bed when you wake up uh so depends on the night but if you ask me 20 years ago this answer might be different but probably uh 11 30 midnight usually when i knock off yeah and then uh 7 a.m usually sometimes earlier but usually no later than 7 i'm i'm up and awake and moving around um when i was when i had my day job and

and was doing frog pants on the side, it was up at six, out the door by 7.30, into the office by nine because of the commute. Yeah. So it was very different time. But even then I was staying up two legs. Then I was podcasting at night. So that was a stupid idea.

That was good for my mental health. Podcasting is often a nighttime activity, especially if you and or your partners that you're working with are, you know, day job people yeah day walkers that's what i deal with right yeah is so i have to do all my podcasting at night i'm the same i like to go to bed around 1130 but i get up at 530 every day to get the kids going to for school and stuff like that so that's very early that's good though your daughters will appreciate that one day they'll look back and say dad and you'll say what and you'll say they'll say thanks for making us so on time all the time and you know you've made us

productive parts of society and you'll say who are you i don't know where i am you'll say i tell my mom my mom was um on the week if we were asleep past nine she was yelling at us telling us to get out of bed and do something so yeah oh yeah mine too there's a real i think there's a in that generation there was a real like look when i because their parents were saying when i was a kid we didn't we had to go get a loaf of bread in some line that took three hours because of the stupid depression or the you know all that yeah depression the stupid depression the stupid yeah they don't call it the great depression anymore it's a stupid depression and uh and then they tried to you know fill us in on that they also did the whole uh there's a kid in china starving please eat your peas oh yeah oh yeah

stuff like that now i'm really weird about food that gets wasted i hate it i hate it when food gets wasted and i'm pretty sure it's because of that i think i talked about this with brian a little bit but this happened again over the weekend there were some chicken legs that kim had made You made a big batch of baked chicken legs. And then you just use them over multiple days of leftovers of here's lunch with the chicken leg and some kimchi and a nice little salad and whatever. And the next day, oh, this time I'm putting some marinero on these chicken. Like I could eat chicken legs for days, right?

Good protein. They're not fried. It's good stuff. But Kim won't let anything go longer than like maybe five days at the top for like meat in the fridge. And I'm of the belief that you can go as long. is it doesn't start smelling weird. Yep, I'm a smeller. That's what it is.

Yeah, smell for me every time. So she always, so I'm always around day four, day five going, oh, I got to eat that chicken, got to eat their chicken. Because I just know she's going to take it and throw it in the freaking trash. And then I'm going to be annoyed because I want chicken, right? Yep. Well, this week happened this week. I went to go get this chicken.

There ain't no chicken. And I said, where's the chicken? And Kim goes, I was already five days. I was going to, I'm like, oh, honey. What do you do? I don't understand why her upbringing in Mississippi, why they were just throwing chicken away left and right. I don't get it. Yeah, I grew up.

We grew up, me and my sister grew up pretty poor, so I'm the same way. I just can't stand throwing food out. And so we just work it into our weekly. Stephanie is a meal planner. She plans out the meals for the week. She just works in leftovers days, you know? Yeah. And so that's when we do all that.

So, because I can't stand. I'm like, that's weird. looks like throwing money away to me every time we do it yeah because it is freaking it is it may not be that much like i i probably lost four bucks worth the chicken maybe three like who knows it wasn't even that much but i'm like well that's three dollars worth the chicken i ain't gonna ever see again you know yeah even though i can go spend another three bucks and get some more chicken plus she could use that on a steam sale exactly that's the other thing is i'm very it's very easy for me to go oh that game's only 15 hmm and she's over there going

I know, I'm just going to throw out a little old chicken, and then somehow I don't, somehow I think she's making a huge financial mistake, and I'm not, you know, it's really dumb. Right. It's really dumb. Anyway, hey, speaking to the Oscars, they happened last night. Oh. I don't know how bad. I think your reaction is about what I expected. I don't know how into that event you are.

Sounds like not much. No. No. I don't, I've never been into the Oscars as much, very much. But I do think it's interesting when other people are, like, I like hearing people talk about it, but I just can't. I can't do it. Yeah, I'm the same. I can't watch it either. I see bits and pieces. I see a little clip here and there. I do like memes and things. So I'm on the lookout for those. But for the most part, the pomp and circumstance of it all is hard for me to watch. The little bit I did see, because I don't really have a good way to watch it either. That's the other problems. I'm only watching clips because, um, I don't have terrestrial TV. I don't have an antenna hooked up, and I don't have any way to do CBS stuff without paying for some, you know, YouTube TV trial or whatever.

And I don't want to. I don't want to do it. So, because I'm never going to use it other than that. Why am I going to, well, I'm not going to lock myself into that, even if it's only for a month for one stupid event. So I just don't care. And I also will know what the results of the event are soon enough anyway. They're going to announce them. And then a live blog is going to tell me.

And then I'm going to go to bed knowing all the winners. because I do like movies. I like film, you know, whatever. But here's my problem. The clips I saw were like a couple of the times where they do the big one. So best actor, best actress, best supporting actor, all sorts of things. And they bring out, this year they did a weird thing. Instead of bringing out just last year's winner of that category,

they brought out last year's winner of that category plus like four other people or enough to name all the other contenders. uh from previous years at some point or another sometimes a long time ago like sally field was was up there for uh for actress um and she was the emma stone one which is the one she got picked but anyway so they're they bring them all out so you got her you got charlie's theron you got um uh another couple ladies can't remember any i can't remember who all was there uh for The dude, you had Tim Robbins, Christopher, Nicholas Cage, Ben Kingsley, who picked the one. I didn't pick it, but that was the one he had.

You had your Tarzan. He used to be Tarzan. What's his name from last year? Encino Man. Oh, oh, the guy from the Bummy movie? Yep, that's the guy. He just won last year. I don't know what's wrong with me.

Anyway, that's someone in the chat will scream it. Brendan Frazier. Brendan Fraser, cheese. So he gets up. Anyway, they do this thing this year. Now, that's fine. I don't have a problem with like, oh, look at all these five, you know, highly respected actors with their various awards and everything. That's cool.

That's fine. Yeah. But instead of just getting up and announcing the person, they keep doing this crowdwork thing. The whole night of the clips I saw, including some Jimmy Kimmel stuff, where they want to, like, I call out people in the audience and have an interaction with them. So instead of just saying, well, Annette Benning is up for this movie and here's why she's awesome and everything. It's always like, okay, Annette, and she's like looking at her in the audience, you're up, you're up for a thing because you're so awesome. And then that person smiles and they cut back and forth.

I hate that. That whole motif leaves me wanting to pee. I don't like it. So this is, the reason I think that that. is bad because I agree with you there's this trend in like live hosted you know award shows and just things like that in general where you're just trying to engage and I think the reason they do it is because it's like it's like oh it's they're trying to to show authenticity or they're trying to manufacture authenticity right because it's just like oh it's just

these people talking to each other but first of all they're not just people, all right? Yeah. They're on the stage at a huge giant event, and they're all just very famous people. They're all big deals. They probably got paid a bunch of money to stand there. Like, I don't know how that all works, but one would assume. But it's just, it's not authentic, and it's obvious that it's not authentic because

they're manufacturing it. And so, I don't know. I agree with you, that kind of stuff. So my radar just goes off, and I think, well, what happened just the good old, like, up your respected person you know let's say they do it like usual it's brennan fraser he talks about the great work this guy did the thing that he did in oppenheimer or the other thing other guy did in his movie and then and then you say and the and the winner is and you got the four or five screens like to me that's more of the thing instead of going you know standing up there and going killian murphy

and looking right at him and the audience going and then you go you know you have been an inspiration It's like, dude, we're not, stop it. Cut it out. Why this format? It just felt so fake to me. Anyway, I only saw bits and pieces because Carter and her friend, Alicia, are like pirates. And they found, was it a Twitch channel? YARG.

Carter? Was it a Twitch channel you guys found this on? That's what it was. So this guy had an R&TP channel or something, his own IP, right? And on his Twitch channel, he was doing reaction crap, but he had a link down there to this exact place where he was streaming the whole thing. And he could do it because it wasn't on Twitch and it wasn't on YouTube, so you could get away with it. So that's how these guys were watching it. And I don't know what my point was with that.

Oh, just the ingenuity of the young people today, you know? Yeah. They know how to break the rules. Right. So there's that. And then, but then I am interested. Like, I'm interested in who wins what and what the competition looks like and who got snubbed in people's minds. And I don't care about all the catty stuff about that.

I just, it's more the competition of it. And also, I really like movies. And this was a big year for movies. And there were a couple things I hadn't seen. So I'm watching it. We'll go over a couple of the big names here in a second. But what it all inspired me to do is to finally sit down and start poor things last night. which was that movie by Yorgos Lathamos with your Emma Stone and your Mark Ruffalo and your whatnot in there.

Yeah. And I started watching that and the first thing I saw was a hybrid dog goose. So it was a dog with a goose's head attached to it running around the foyer of somebody's house. And that was like, I don't know, 30 seconds into this thing. And I went, what the frick have I gotten into? Let me just say, I'm not done yet because it was late. That movie is effed. It is so weird.

And by the way, so far, I think she deserves it. She's amazing in it. Yeah. But, and I'd seen all of his previous films. I'd seen The Lobster. I'd seen Killing of the Sacred Deer. I didn't see the one that was before this one. But most of his movies I've seen and consumed, and they're all very odd.

This thing is next level. like odd times the to the power of 10 it's very weird anyway thanks for warning me everybody and if you've seen poor things you know what I'm saying thanks for warning me about the burp bubble all right moving on you don't want to know Bobby you don't want to know I'm looking at this list of movies of like of Best Pictures nominees and it's made me realize that I don't watch movies anymore no You don't really keep up with the big stuff. I used to love movies, but, you know, I don't go to the movie theater anymore.

I don't. I think things like Marvel and then, you know, like series, streaming series, like Netflix and stuff like that have just taken over my viewing. And I need to watch more movies. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Because I have not seen any of these. This is the problem, though.

Like, I bit is a huge nut for this, right? It goes to all of them. Tries to see everything before, including the shorts and the documentaries and documentary shorts and all. that stuff. I don't, but I used to be a lot more with like whatever the top, you know, the five movies that were up for Best Picture, I would have seen them all. This year I'd seen, hold on, literally none of them yet. And that doesn't ever happen. Like, I almost always see at least two of these, but I haven't seen any of these. And then people are like, you haven't seen Oppenheimer? No, I will, but I haven't yet.

Yeah, like, I haven't seen it. And you'd think science lover Bobby might have seen Oppenheimer, but I just like where do I have time to go see a three-hour movie yeah I mean the last thing I saw in theaters was Dune part two that was a must I was not going to miss that yeah prior to that though oh I saw that this weekend holy cow dude dude do yourself a favor now and go watch part one again opens that up like it's the perfect two part thing it's the perfect six hours of filmmaking it really is I did I did because Stephanie watched it with we went to the theater together and she hadn't seen the first one. And so we rewatched it or I rewatched it and she saw it for the first time last weekend. And then so then we saw this one, that one this weekend. That's cool, right? Like you

get more, I got way more out of part one than I did the first time. I've read the book since part one came out just to, you know, reiterate everything. And I still got more out of it. I'm telling you, you guys are going to be so sick of me until, because when May comes and Furiosa hits a whole different conversation. But until then, it's all I can think about. It's all I can draw. It's all I can. It's all I want to think about or talk about. I've been seeking out the what are the best. Brian Herbert books after his dad died, which of the six should I read next of the mainline series? Because I've only read through Messiah before or maybe children of Dune. But anyway, I'm just like consume, consume, some people are like, oh, no, read Hyperion.

It's totally inspired by doing like, oh, okay, I'll read that book. And what video games am I in the mood for? Turns out stuff with big deserts in it and all that. I got a problem. I got a real issue going. Doom Part 2 is a rad. It's a good problem to have. The movie definitely made me, I'd never read the books either. But it's made me absolutely want to go read the books. Oh, you should.

They're great. At least, I mean, the first book is an all-time classic. Second book is weird. So I did read Children of Doom because I did read the third. And the third is less weird. But then things get really weird, apparently, in the final half of his sixology septal no what do you call six books um what would you other than six books like you know quint no quintology's not right what would it be um you've got a hexagon is

hexology hexited so hexology hexology hexonomy hex hex on your family anyway uh the one of those is like a thousand years in the future and and it's all about a half man, half worm. I think that's heretics, or maybe it's God, God Emperor of Doom. I think that's it. I've never got to those. But things get very weird. And the movie's already weird. They went ahead

and decided to do in this movie in part two, what I already thought was the weirdest thing ever. And I still refused to say because I don't want to spoil anything. But I couldn't believe they decided to do it. As soon as they started to do it, let's say it's a communication that happens. I went, oh, you're going there, are you?

You're going to put that in your movie. and they did it's a freaking six hour masterpiece oh my gosh fantastic yeah anyway I can't stop thinking about it let's move on oh my point was the last two movies I saw were that and then before that across the spiderverse and before that I don't remember maybe pre-pandemic something I just don't go to theaters anymore yeah I love going to the theater too I wish I could go more often but yeah it's expensive takes time I don't know What's your closest theater?

We have one real close, but you have to go far? It's like 15 minutes away. It's not far. It's just children, you know. So the movies don't start early enough in the day for me to go while the kids are at school. That's true. They start at what? They start at 10 our time, I think.

I think there are some that start at 10, but not usually. It's usually like 12 or around. here. Yeah. You don't want to be the only guy in there. That's no fun. I don't care about that. I don't care about being the only person. You're okay being the only guy? You're okay being a solo roller? Yeah. I remember when I was a, I would never do this again today. But I remember I went and saw powder in the movie theater. Oh my gosh. I have strong feelings about powder. Continue. But me and my friend were the only people there and we just went down in front of the very front row and we just laid on the ground.

Wow. And watch Powder, of all things. Yeah. That movie had, um, uh, oh gosh, Lance Henrickson in it. I remember and I love him. So that was enough for me. But I saw that movie and, um, that movie made me cry. And then it made me mad.

And then it made me cry again. How old were you when you saw it? Oh, I was probably 20. I mean, You're, what, 10 years younger than me or something like that? No, you just turned 40. So you're like 14 years younger than me. And so you would have been a lot younger than me then.

So I'd have been like 20, whatever year it came out. It came out in the 90s, right? 20 something. Anyway, I see this thing and it makes me cry like a baby. I then find out later the director's in trouble because he was like a registered sex offender or something like that. And nobody knew about it. and then I was mad. I was mad at that movie,

even though, you know, whatever. It's a piece of art by somebody who turns out had a real checkered past. And I was mad. And then I saw it on video again and then I also got me kind of emotional on video again. And then I was mad again because I was like, dang, you're not supposed to make me emotional,

this thing from somebody who I'm supposed to be mad at and who shouldn't technically be out there making movies. This is all my head at the time. And so now I have very complicated feelings about powder. And powder's kind of... Had you already had... go ahead um any children by the time you saw that movie uh i would have had well let's just see when that came out powder movie trenched wildfire says it came out in 95 oh then i had a tiny like nine

month old then and that could so i found that i used to be like you could never move me i was an i was an immovable unemotional person until after i had a child and then i can't watch i was i was I was on the treadmill one time watching an episode of, I don't know, it was some comedy, and I started crying. Yeah, it's weird, right, it changes you. I had a, I had this, I've talked about it a thousand times, but the reason I threw the DVD of seven in the snow. Yeah. Like literally took it out of the player, went upstairs, and chucked it into the snow outside. I was so angry at that movie because I had little ones or little one, I guess, because I think that was like same year.

It was 97. yeah anyway it's right before carter is born and i just this idea i don't has it been long enough we can say what happens at the end of seven i would people know where they don't yeah people know or they don't a terrible terrible truth is revealed at the end of seven and that truth was just too too tight and close when you're a father of a tiny baby i just couldn't do it yeah and i was so angry at that film and it took me until maybe last year or me to see seven again i was that mad and i really like that movie overall and i think that's a good movie yeah and i think uh what's his beak's a great director um i can't think of names today

something wrong with me anyway that guy and uh yeah i i i still hold some real anger at that movie for for what it did to me emotionally then uh so yep well done everyone involved i cry all the time at everything now that i watch i cried you know brian speaking of of Brian Abbott. He recently recommended him that Netflix series Loudermilk. I cried watching an episode of Loudermilk last night.

Dude, that show has heart in ways you don't expect. It does. It's very good. Yeah. Glad you're watching him, Loudermilk's awesome. Milk. Look at me. I made a recommendation on a Wednesday. Brian started watching it. You started watching it. Oh, so that was your... That was me.

Yeah. Look at me spreading the louder milk. Yeah, that's a good show, good show. Yeah, that's good to hear. Anyway, we have some winners. I'm just going to rip two of these. Yeah, let's do it. Christopher Nolan won for Best Director for the film,

H. Hopenheimer. He also... No, H at the beginning of the time. No, there's no H in there at all. He won that for directing also at one best picture. I don't think that was a huge surprise. My surprise here is that they didn't give Scorsese director as sort of a, I don't know,

olive leaf to a guy who's probably not going to make any more movies or if he is it's one or two anyway whatever he did that's what happened there uh emma stone for poor things after seeing half of that thing i'm pretty sure that was the right call again i haven't seen the rest of these i'm sure they're all amazing i really like that lily gladstone uh deal uh i can't haven't seen the movie but i just like her a lot and i kind of was pulling for her just from a like sort non-holywood i mean she was an actress before this but you know somebody who's not your normal it's not emma stone it's not you know uh sander bullock for the 15th time or whatever it's somebody we don't really know about and it comes from a really interesting background and i was hoping

for that but emma stone is kind of blowing my mind in this other thing uh let's see killion murphy for oppenheimer uh i hope this doesn't change their plans they're they're getting all back together for a new 28 days later follow up 28 years later or something yeah i heard that as well I hope he's involved, but maybe his price went up last night. So good luck to everyone trying to hire Kelly and Murphy. There's rumors he's going to be the next James Bond because of the popularity. I don't know if I can see it. Maybe I can.

Acting wise, no problem. It's just that he's like this kind of wiry weirdo. You know? And I don't know how to feel about that yet. Well, the time will tell. Best original song went to the person who should get it, which is Billy Eilish for her. What was I made for?

song, I really genuinely, really think that song is amazing. I love that song. I don't even care that much about Barbie. Like, I could see it again. It's fine. I know it's culturally big deal. Everybody, Yahoo. And it's fine. I liked it. I saw it in theaters. Oh, I guess I saw that before the last Spider-Man. Anyway, the point is that that song, though, transcends it all for me. It's utterly fantastic. Let's see here. Best original score, Oppenheimer. And that wasn't even Hans Zimmer or some other dude. He was busy doing Dune stuff. Don't worry next year is your year, Hans Zimmer.

Best Sound of Interest. Oh, Best Special Effects went to the Godzilla deal. Zero point. What's it called? Shit. Hold on. Godzilla minus one. Zero point.

It had something to do with numbers and math. Yep. Let's see. Best Live Action went to the wonderful story of Henry Sugar. And here's what's great about that. So it's the first time West. Anderson's won an Oscar, he's not there to get it. They do it, they give it to him, you know, but not posthumously.

That's when you're dead. But what do you call it when they're not there? Absentia, whatever it is. So they say, oh, I couldn't be here, but we're happy to accept it on his behalf, blah, blah, blah. And he walks away. Later on they interview, there's somebody talks to him and says, hey, this is your first Oscar. How do you feel about this? And his quote was so good.

And I'll paraphrase because they don't have it in front of me. But he said, I would not have an Oscar. at all or ever been in contention for one like he has been multiple times had i not bumped into when i was 18 years old in high in college in texas i ran into an 18 year old um oh owen wilson in the hallway and it says if i had not bumped into owen wilson that day i would have never been a filmmaker never would have done nothing wow that was the moment that that was it it was like wow Wow, wow. Entem on a new trajectory.

Yeah. Wow. He says, wow. I don't know. I mean, I need to know more about that story. I know that there's a lot. Those guys all have a lot of connected tissue than just about every movie he's made. And I know there's a lot there, but I didn't know that there was some moment in the hallway where it was like, I've met you now. For now on, I will be Wes Anderson.

But my joke is he wasn't going to be there because the stage wasn't symmetrical enough, you know. That's why I think Wes Anderson doesn't go to anything. If he skips on a restaurant, that's because shit isn't symmetrical enough or have the right perfect color scheme. That's just his deal. Nobody sent him the color palette ahead of time. No, I got to get that done. All right. It'd be great if Owen Wilson's nose was broken by Wes Anderson, but I don't think that's the case.

That's a rumor. I'm going to start today, though. What else? Let's see. Best, oh, best animated feature went to the boy and the heron, which is Miyazaki. joint. Everyone thought that Spider-Man was going to nail that, and I'm sure it was close, but it didn't. Best Supporting Actor went to Robert Downey Jr. for Oppenheimer. That was nice to see. And what else matters here that we care about? Actress, we talked about, actor, we talked about

American fiction got the best adapted screenplay, and then best, oh, best supporting actress, Divine Joy Randolph from the Holdovers. I got to watch that. And there you go. There's your winners, everyone. Congratulations if you had skin in the game. Also, I didn't know there was so much nudity and poor things. No one warned me. You didn't warn me about nudity, and you didn't warn me about Burt Bubbles?

And you didn't warn me about chicken dogs or dog geese or cat goat. There's all these weird hybrid animals. You didn't tell me. You didn't warn me. So, whatever. They tend to stop. warning you about nudity after you're like 15 I mean it was

how do I put this I've seen a lot of Emma Stone movies I didn't know I didn't know I was going to see so much Emma Stone that's all I'm saying and then they start warning you then people start warning you about nudity again once you turn like 75

yeah then you start yeah then you start getting told because then they're like worried that you're going to be scandalized yeah yeah but also there's a lot more Bruce Banner nudity than I thought I was going to ever see in my life. Ooh, uh-huh, yeah, Mark Ruffalo. I got to see very low on Mark Ruffalo.

You got a glimpse of his Ruffalo. Yeah, dude. Anyway, that surprised me a little. Moving on. We got a question for Bobby about how popular scientists talk about sci-fi stuff. Oh. And this was in the form, oh, I didn't paste it in here. Why?

Well, anyway, here was the gist of it. There's a little bit of a controversy going on. around we talked about doing a little bit okay um uh nil de grass tyson a very public out out there voice in science right he's he's one of those guys where you hear him talk all the time uh him brian cox and uh that there's a guy who japanese descent i forget his name anyway older guy mitsio kaku that guy he's always going the black hole when it starts to open that that that That's his cadence. I love it.

I love how he talks. Not a fan of Michio Cucco. Oh, really? No. Are you racist or what's the problem? Oh, that's not it. Okay, it's something else. That's not it.

He kind of went off the deep end a while back and he's just, it feels like it's just all like, well, you know, I guess we never could know if aliens have visited Earth. You know, or like, I guess, you know, maybe it has happened that we could have, you know, travel back through time. It's just, he's always like skirting the lines of like, let me see if I can get you to pay attention by talking about things that are implausibly, implausible by science. Okay, so no, that's an interesting point because it seems like to get everyday folks attention who otherwise might not be paying attention. attention to, I don't know, issues like climate change or maybe things like what, how space works and what we're about to learn from certain things. You know, like the education around here is pretty bad on that front. And it can be seen as boring by a lot of people, especially young people. The idea that these guys get out on, you know, they're all over TikTok and shorts and

everywhere else, Instagram, at least talking about these things, is that, are you glad that that is a thing or do you wish that they would because obviously they have to be they have to say things that grab people right and part of what them doing that which is the whole thing I'm going to bring up here with Neil deGrasse Tyson in a second is that he said something provocative so that people suddenly

are paying attention and now it's controversial but at least they listen to the overall thing which had a point yeah do you know what I'm saying like how do you feel about that as somebody who does a podcast about science who follows a ton of science content like is that is that is it

worth that? Or do you think that's selling our souls? You do need to get people's attention because a lot of times people wouldn't seek out this type of information unless they're already the type of... So like science communication, one of the things that we think about is how can we get people interested who otherwise would not? Like we want to teach people about science and get people interested and help people understand that science is really fascinating and it touches everything. Right. But a lot of people already have these preconceived notions about science and like it's not for me or but but we really believe that it's for everyone right yeah there's there's such a wide vast thing that there's science out there for everybody and

the world is just fascinating um so um so you do kind of have to get people's attention sometimes but um science communication is difficult and a lot of people think that they can just do it um and and And I'm not shooting my own horn here saying that I'm really good at it. I don't think I am great at it, but I'm careful about it. And I'm always trying to learn and pay attention to what's working and pay attention to what other people are doing and what we know about it. And there's science that's done about science communication. And so all this is a long way to get to the point of saying that there's known effects of poor science. communication or poor communication in general.

So like an example is, just here's an example, there's an effect that's been studied and known that when you present somebody with like a science or fiction fact, right? Yeah. Or like, or you present something by saying, by pointing out a myth, it's often the case that if you present the myth and then you debunk it afterward, like that, that it's very likely that people are just going to remember the myth. They're not going to remember the actual fact after the, after. So you have to be careful about how you do these things. People tend to only read headlines. So if you, if you present some misinformation in a headline, um, and you're not

careful about that, then that might be what people take home because they've never gone and dug in and really critically analyzed the body of the text that you wrote. So when Michio Bukaki, what's the name? Mityukaku, yeah. Sorry. I don't know why that came out that way. Anyway, when he gets up and says the thing, sometimes it will be things like, many people think, I'm just going to do his voice,

many people think that a black hole just sucks in all the stuff around it. Well, that may not be the K. And then he, you know, and then he goes into a thing. Are you saying that people are going to more remember the myth about black holes than they are the corrective thing he's there to say? Or what do you mean? Because it seems like you kind of do have to point out the misconception sometimes, not always, but sometimes in order to educate about what's actually happening. Yeah, but there are better ways to do it. So, yeah, in general, yes.

Now, not everybody is susceptible to this, of course. There are individual differences, but when you're talking about informing and communicating science to the masses, to the general public, yeah, if you start by saying, you know, it's commonly thought that, you know, black holes, like, we'll continue with your example. If we say, it's commonly thought that black holes just will just suck in everything around them and just eat anything. And eventually black holes are just going to suck in and eat everything. the whole universe right and then you say well that's not true and this is what really blah

blah people will often because it's more salient the first thing you said uh they will just remember that there's um different ways to go about it um which is to like one popular or not popular necessarily but one known way that is better to to to address misinformation is to get people to think about a question first. So then, so ask somebody, how do you think black holes work? Yeah. Or do you think that black holes, if a sun or a star is near a black hole, do you think it necessarily will always, you know, suck it up and eat it? Yeah. Get them to think about it and then engage their and then while they're thinking about it and trying to come up with an answer on their own, get them to engage and ask them questions and get them to think critically about an answer. Now,

you can't always have a back and forth, but if you can present it in a way that will get people to think about it to engage critically, that works a lot better. Yeah, what you're describing, you're describing would work really well in like a classroom situation and or some sort of, you know, lecture, public lecture or something, whereas it's more, I can see the challenge in today's world trying to communicate, especially with younger people, trying to communicate in 30 second bites all the time and only having them be kind of one way, but with a chaotic chat room and or. comment thread like that's a that's tricky you know so i'm just always kind of in this mind side of like which would i which way would i rather have it none at all or at least them trying and i i do land on the i prefer they try um but then what happens is these guys become kind of internet stars tv stars in their own right and then and then i'm and then i then i start worrying about motivations. Like, why is it that, like, I, I believe him. I believe Neil deGrasse Tyson when he says, I want to be an educator. It's my job in this world. That's what I was, that's what

I'm here for. It's what I want to do. It's what I do best. That's what I'm going to do. And I believe him. I believe that that's true. But it also seems like he is booking every possible talk show, every possible giant podcast, every possible thing in order to do it. And it's hard for my brain to go, all right, well, it's pure, it's purely in the, in the case of education or is there something, you know, it's just hard. I get skeptical. I don't know. Anyway, the point is, I should probably bring out the whole point where I brought this up. Yeah, what did he say. So here's what he did. There's doing two talks been going on a bunch. And he was out on somewhere and said the sandworm attractors, the thumpers. Yeah. Would never work. And so he went into this big, long description about why. And it was, it had to do with a whole bunch of things, the physics of sand, especially when there's a lot of it. The whole point of it is that it absorbs sound and, you know, all this stuff. And he said it just would not be this thing that would attract these gigantic worms and blah, blah, blah.

So he did this whole thing. And then people went after him because they're like, oh, but a space religion where the women can use a voice and have people do it, they say. that you know like that's all cool or this mythical spice that makes intergalactic travel possible that's fine you're going to focus on the thumper like in that case that feels like we're being weird because his whole point wasn't his point is to say here's a popular thing everyone's talking about it great opportunity to swoop in a new little science and it it may seem a little antagonistic the nerds but to be able to jump in and go well the thumper thing wouldn't really work and here's why i don't know that we should be going after a guy for that well so it's it's not it's not in a

it's not it's not it's not a comment that's made in in a in a bubble you know like neil de grass tyson i wish i would have said what i was going to say as soon as you mentioned his name i was going to say did neil de grass tyson push up his glasses and correct everybody about something he is that guy right that is that guy because because that's what he does that's his approach it feels like um i have ambivalent feelings about him. I think he's a I've heard him in lots of interviews. I've heard him talk. I think he's a great guy and I think he has a really good goals and he's not

he's not bad at what he does but he does rub people the wrong way because he's always like well actualing his his that's his approach it feels like you know and you could say the same thing without being like well actually that would never work. You could just say

oh what I always like to do my approach is always let me start with this the tone of oh here's something really interesting yeah that's always my that's always how i want to approach everything is oh did you know or oh this is really interesting you know and you can still say the same thing about the movie but if when you start with that it draw i feel like it draws people in more and and it makes me just get the excitement across better rather than the i know something you don't you know well the good news is then i think we're talking about

Brian Cox. That's how he does it. He's very good at that. Someone will say something controversial, whether it's to get him to talk about religion or whether it's, you know, I don't know. Something like that. And he's very good at saying, like, if they're asking him directly, do you believe in God, he'll give his answer and say, well, I don't, but here's why we do that. Brian Cox is a huge inspiration for me. Yeah, he's fantastic. He does an amazing job at making. everyone feel good and that you can disagree with him and it's okay yeah it's fine he's not judging you you don't feel judged by that guy you feel like a really raw sense of here's someone who loves science like truly yeah that's dude is into it he also seems like he he's not doesn't come in with any kind of the word is an agenda he doesn't have an attitude his attitude is like, ooh, you want to talk about that? Oh, this is so exciting. Let's talk about what

we know. Exactly. And what the theory was versus what we know now. And like, he really gets, like, it's addicting and he's very good. I wish there were more of him. I guess is the answer. So there you go. And don't worry about Sam Worm shit. It's a freaking science fiction novel. It's not meant to be based on reality.

And half the fun is ideas like, I can use this thumper to attract a freaking giant worm. Okay. It's fine. Right. Also, somebody else pointed out that the thumpers, in the new movies are about this big. You know, they extend about that, but then slunk, shlunk,

they're just little things. They look like a garden tool or something. In the old movie, he's carrying, freaking Paul Atreides is carrying this thing on his, on his back. It's like a big old freaking thing this long.

Yeah. You just got to really cram in there, and I don't know, I don't know if one's more likely to attract the worm than the other, but also the worms talk to each other and talk to people sometimes, and there's some kind of,

a blue liquid that if it doesn't kill you, it makes you really, really omnipotent. Like, I understand why people go after him when he does this stuff. I just think that maybe he's off putting for the reasons you said, which is he seems like the, I know everything in the room and whatever you say, he'll do it, but actually. And that can be annoying. Yeah, yeah. But he's got a, he comes from a good place. Like, he's trying.

Of course he does. I like I'm talking down to him. He is a very successful science. communicator. Oh, yeah, no, maybe the biggest, maybe the most successful science communicator at all time. He's doing something right, but I understand why people are put off by his approach. Yeah, it's all about approach. But now every time I hear Hiaki Mokimoto, what's his name? Yeah, Mityo Kaku. Mityo, Michio? Yeah. Okay, Michio Kaku. Kaku? Yeah. I'm really sorry for butchering this, him and any other Japanese names today. I've been watching

Shogun. Do you think I'd be in the mood for like proper pronunciation of Japanese names, but right. Can't get it done. All right. We're going to take a break. When we come back from this music break, we're going to do some more science. Yeah, that's right. It's Science Monday. Science Day. Yeah, get used to it.

But we're going to take a song break. And for this song, Brian sent me thankfully sent me some stuff. I'm really glad he was able to take time for that. So thank you, Brian, for sending me this. This is a song called Tyrannical Rex. And this This is from Mark Valentine, a brand new album coming out called Basement Sparks. I love that name.

That comes out on the 22nd. This is a new single from that album called Tarantical Rex. And I don't know. Let's see. New King of British Power Pop says Vive La Rock. Also, RP Monday, or sorry, RP Munline. I don't know. Oh.

Such an idiot. But RPM online. That's a real Greg for Walkman situation. Oh, big time. I just saw RP and then the M's the final capital letter and then online. And to me, that meant that's the next word. Jeez, Louises. Anyway, this is a new thing.

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Thank you again, Brian, for making that a thing I could do today. All right, Bobby. This is a weird way to do this, but I'm just going to play it. Science. Bob is hungry, and the soup looks good. It's as if you just called in on Discord. Hey, welcome to me. welcome to you um so speaking to science uh we were a little science heavy on our last segment but uh let's do more what'd you bring today

i uh want to talk about bees oh my gosh bees all right bees yeah millions of bees this is apropos of absolutely nothing but we used to live i used to live in a house that was there was a railroad tracks right in front of the house like there was our front yard it was maybe 30 feet out and then there were railroad tracks this is growing up like as a kid or something it was after after college after we graduated we rented this house for two years and there were trains that would go by that we would call b trains because it would like make this sound that was just like bz for some reason it just buzzed and i don't know that's just i just thought about that for some reason sure sure um humans

we think that we are very special don't we yeah i think we think we're the specialist if if i'm honest yeah i think so too we we we're always thinking about how we have these superpowers that separate us from other animals in the world, you know? Like how we can think better and we can use tools and we have cultural

knowledge and all these kinds of things, right? But as time goes on, we do more and more research over the decades that shows that we are not alone in these special abilities that we think we have. There are lots of other animals in the world that have

similar abilities like um like the monkeys they're right up there right well yeah that was one of the first ones that we found out that had tool use yeah yeah they can carve out stuff and dig at things and kind of make a fork if they need to right right yeah we thought we were unique as humans as that's what separated us like one of the big things that separated us from the animal world from the from the wild animals was that we could use tools and nobody else could But then we found apes could, crows can lots of corvids can use tools. Dolphins can use, have demonstrated tool use. There's things like language.

We thought, oh, we're the only ones with language. Then we have found that birds show pretty complicated language ability that some people still debate is that really language. Yeah. But it's pretty, regardless, it's pretty complex. many people think that you could call it language. Even dialects of different animals like birds and whales have like local dialects and everything. Do they have like, do you have accents depending? Like if you're a dolphin in the, I don't know, the Atlantic and you go down south and there's kind of a drawl to the southern dolphins.

Yeah. So they're going, hey, eight, eight. I mean, I don't know. Like if they are communicating, it makes sense to me that if you're, you're, you're, you're, talking a couple weeks ago. I think you were, no, this wasn't while you were here, but we had a story about how everybody up in the Arctic, when they're there long enough, they start to develop their own unique accent because people from around the world are up there, different scientists, different people. And by the time that times up, especially if they've all sort of

been together for 90 days or more, they all kind of have their own little twang and their own little weird thing, which makes sense. That's how this happens, right? So why not animals? Why not? Yeah, exactly. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, Birds have shown that a lot, but I've heard of different ones. And then, so then constantly, when we learn these new things, what you see is that even in the science world, you see that we then just move the goalposts, right? We say, oh, well, okay, animals can use tools, but they don't have cultural learning or they don't have, you know, whatever. And so we just keep moving the goalpost saying, like, we're still special and here's why. Well, I mean, it's hard to, from a practical standpoint, and you can tell me if I'm wrong here,

but it's hard to look at, say, you know, an ape took us, found a branch and went, well, if I use the sharp end of this, I can actually dig these ants out better and eat them. Okay? Yeah. Tool use. Awesome. It's rad. Then you flip over to me, and I'm, you know, let's say if it's 3D printing a Galactus model, I'm over here using a computer.

to generate a digital 30 by 40 print that will eventually get printed out, put into a frame, and put up on a wall. These seem like more complex tools or uses of tools. And obviously, they're iterative tools, right? I don't, you know, the mouse didn't appear. The computer mouse didn't just pop into view one day. And we all went, ooh, I wonder what this does. This is, this is, you know, hundreds of years of research and various things.

And it all adds up to me being able to spend 25 bucks and use the tool. but as a collective human tool that seems more advanced this mouse right here seems a lot more advanced than that freaking stick right and so

the the technology is a really good example for where I'm getting with this and it's coming back to bees eventually I promise oh it's always bees everything comes back to bees it's fine but it's the reason that's a good

example is because the most recent I think place that the goalpost has been moved to it has to do with cultural learning and so a lot of people believe okay animals can do all these things they can use tools and language and everything

but one thing that separates us from animals is the ability to have social cultural learning and culture by the way cultural learning is just the idea that we can learn something and then we can pass on that knowledge to future generations and people around us, right, so that they can then add more to that knowledge and it accumulates over time, right? Yeah, that is definitely a human, seems like a human thing, whereas, like, obviously we don't have enough time to say this, but let's say maybe in a thousand years it's different.

But right now, nobody's going, oh, that marks the first time that monkey used to stick. Probably not. They've been doing this for a while, right? Right. And so, like, like, the reason I say technology is a good example is because that means. mouse or the iPhone that you have in your pocket is there's no way one person is making all the the breakthroughs and learning all the things just by themselves to make that thing it's it's the it's the results of generation upon generation upon generation of

cultural collective knowledge right right so we thought this is this is this is what sets us apart but turns out maybe bees can do that too um Oh, wow. Tell me more. So there's some research that was done by a team led by Alice Bridges from Queen Mary University of London. And what they did was they wanted to demonstrate from colony animals, bees, to see what are the limits of their social ability, right? They're very social insects. They're social animals. And so what are some of the limits of that? And do they, can they pass on knowledge to each other?

And then, and then therefore pass them through generations, right? Right. So what they did was they created a puzzle. It was a complex puzzle. And they gave it to the bees. They were bumblebees that they were giving it to. And the puzzle had two steps. It's basically this like platform that they could sit on that's made of plastic.

And on one part of the platform, clear plastic platform they're standing on. And underneath it at one point in the floor is this yellow spot that has sugar. drops sugar water droplets in it and bees love sugar water they're big big fans dude they'll drink that all day if you let them yeah yeah so and yellow is a good attractive color for bees so and and these bees these colony bees they were trained to um to see the yellow and and and know that that there's sugar water on these yellow spots right but it's trapped it's it's underneath this clear plastic thing um and so they they they devise this puzzle where the bees

could push a little red plastic tab with a track it's like got a track on it without it's a very visual tool so without explaining it to great detail just know that there is a red tab that they could push push on to rotate

this disc and open up and expose the yellow spot with the sugar on it they could do that okay but they could not do that unless they first pushed a blue tab, which was blocking the motion of the red tab. So it's a complex thing. They had to know to push a blue tab to unlock the ability to push the red tab.

And the reason that that's complex for bees is because you can teach a bee to do things. We've done this before. We teach bees to, there's 2017 study that where bees would learn how to roll a small ball into a goal to get a reward. But the thing is, you can teach animals of all types to do things when there's a reward involved. But pushing the blue tab first in order to be able to push another tab, the pushing of the blue tab does not involve a reward. So, right. Right, because the reward is knowing down the road, like if I, okay, it's like this. If a human knows they won something, they have to go pick it up.

They won a prize. It's a cash prize. It's $5,000. But they have to go down to the radio station and pick it up. Right. They know where the reward is. And that means a few things. I have to leave the house. I have to lock the door. I have to drive this car. It has to have gas in it already. If it doesn't or isn't running or tires flat, that's a problem. Like they have to have to have all of that worked out and still keep in mind the ultimate prize, which is I'm picking up my five grand. You're saying bees have the ability to multi-level their quest. Yeah. So it's even more than that. It's, so the, first thing that the, the researchers did is they put this puzzle into a hive and they left it there for a number of hours. They did different amounts for different hives, but they were either 36 or 72 hours over 12 to 24 days. And they would put the puzzle there and none of the bees could figure it out. Just nothing. Like, there's no way they could figure out how to do it on their own. The reason this is important is because I mentioned in 2017, they did a study where, where bees could learn how to push a ball into a goal to get a reward. They figured that out on their own.

You can see how that would, you could accidentally figure that out, push a ball around and, oh, when we push it over here, something great happens. This puzzle with the different colored tabs and multi-step process, none of them could figure it out. But then what they did is they would take some individual bees and they would train those bees to perform the steps. So, yes, like you were saying, first thing we learned was you can actually teach these bees by successively providing rewards for each step of the way. And they could eventually learn to perform all the steps in order in order to get the reward. Right, but you had to give them a mini reward every step, right? Yeah, and that's just, that's normal. Sure.

Like, that's how you teach things, right? You have to do that. I think even people, it's like even that trip to the thing to get my money, I have, there's a reward in knowing that if I, I go into this car and take the proper route, that's a reward of knowing I did a thing that will get me closer. I guess that makes sense. We all do that. Right.

So what they did, they could train these bees, and they would call these bees that they trained, the individual bees, demonstrator bees, because then they would put those bees back into the colony and then put the puzzle back into the colony, or the hive or whatever you call it.

And as long as the puzzle was present in a colony with a demonstrator bee, then the bees would learn how to do it. The bees that knew how to do it were showing the other bees how to do it. Even more so than that, not only were the bees observing another bee do it and get a reward, so they were learning that way, but they were able to, the scientists were able to also observe that the demonstrator bees would teach the other bees by giving them rewards to help them learn the steps.

right? So they would like see oh first you have to push this blue tab here let me give you a little bit of a reward of nectar or something to say like good job pushing that blue tab these are the bees doing it right? Yeah

and so they were able to so that demonstrated that not only can can they culturally pass on knowledge by just observing other bees doing something but they can deliberately teach each other how to do something.

Interesting. Which is, it's not a trivial finding because. That sounds like the equivalent, the bee equivalent of cultural learning a little bit. It is, it is cultural learning because it is something that these colonies could not figure out how to do on their own. Interesting. They had to be taught and they could teach each other. So, I mean, bees have a brain the size of a grain of rice, Scott. A little tiny thing, yeah.

And I think the reason that, one of the reasons this is so significant is because it's not, it doesn't feel like, if you tell somebody, oh, apes and gorillas, they can, they can culturally teach each other things. It doesn't feel like that much of a stretch. We're like, oh, okay, but we're still special because they're like really close to us on the evolutionary tree, right? Right. But bees are pretty far away. Yeah, yeah, no, it's like you can look at it. an ape and go, you're taking care of your baby like I did. And you're sort of, I don't know, doing other things that remind me of what a human might do. Bees ain't doing anything that

looks familiar. Right. I don't look at a bee and go, oh, I'd be suddenly exhibiting some human behavior. It's not happening. But turns out maybe in a roundabout way they are. So we're not quite as unique even in this cultural learning thing as we thought. But I think it makes sense to me that this is something that other animals would be able to do because even evolutionarily, it's a way to speed, like if you are an animal, a social animal that is able to pass on knowledge culturally, it's a way to sort of like like circumvent evolution in a way, like not really circumvent it, but like speed up the process. Evolution happens really slowly.

This is faster. Yeah, it's quick, right? Yeah. Exactly. I have a quote from the person who ran that study. Did you like to hear it? Yes. Here it is.

I don't like bees. I'm a little surprised. I'm a little surprised they don't like bees given their study of bees. Maybe they were trying to, they set out to show that bees are stupid and they couldn't. Yeah, that might be it. Also, it's interesting because, you know, humans do think pretty highly of themselves in terms of our place. in the world. Yeah.

But that in itself is a unique trait. And also it's kind of true. The ability to be able to think that highly of yourself. Yeah. Yeah, kind of what I'm getting at. But also this, also evidentially, it does seem accurate that we are in a place right now of dominance. Like we could, and by dominance, I mean, we have the power to either make the planet

sort of flourish or we have the power to kind of destroy it if we really wanted to let's say let's say everybody was cool with this it wouldn't be good for our evolutionary survival instincts but let's say we were all just totally cool with the idea of just nuking the whole thing all at once let's go everyone hit the red button at the same time and we did that because you just kind of wanted to see what would happen we have that power no other creature that I'm aware of like I don't even know I don't know if enough monkeys could get together in a room and go listen I have an idea yeah if everyone throws their shit at the same time. We're going to have a major disease problem in this world. You know, like they don't think that way, collectively or individually, but we can. And because

we can, doesn't that, doesn't that mean that the notion that we're, we truly are top of the chain is probably true because we can conceive it? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I think, I think if you look around, you certainly can see lots of evidence that there is something different about humans right right um we are the only ones making giant cities we are the only ones that seem to be you know um you know pumping carbon in the atmosphere um but uh but i think what we're realizing is it it's not there's not this one thing it's we're getting closer and closer to to i think understanding it's not just like one little thing that sets us apart it's probably that we share a lot of traits in common with a lot of different animals and what sets us apart is

our ability to kind of like weave them all together you know yeah that's true so it's also also heard a thing from um uh Neil degrass Tyson once where he said that we only are one percent difference in our DNA to that of a gorilla or most apes or something and he says if we are that different from them by only one percent but we are this much further down the road in terms of cognitive behavior, blah, blah, blah, like all of our, everything we do is humans that, that apes can't do. If that's just one percent, imagine what a being with one more percent. Wait, how does that work?

Oh, that we are the 99 percent of, but they're the, they have the extra percent over on us. What, what that looks like? Yeah. It's a pretty, pretty thought-provoking idea. because I don't think apes have any idea what's going on. In other words, you know, no ape is going to walk up to you and go, you know, I'm fully aware of how the stock market works. And this whole, this dispute that has escalated so terribly in the Middle East,

I'm aware of that. They don't know. They have no idea. Any more than a fish knows, if you take a fish and throw it in the desert, it's not going to know what the F is going on. It doesn't know. What is this? Will we ever be thrown into something where we don't, where we're,

at that level of not knowing what the next percent DNA guys know. That's fascinating to me. The AIs are going to do that too. Maybe that's how we get there. But it's always been fascinating to me because in theory, we don't have any concept of it in the same way that a monkey or an ape has no concept of our 1% difference. They don't know. They don't know that I know.

Let me find something here. I don't know. they don't what's a good example everything's an example you're surrounded by yeah they don't know what this is this controller here they don't know I don't know what this is for I could give it to them we might be able to train me to do some simple stuff with it but they don't go oh well that's a Sony PlayStation 5 controller it's also called the dual sense and this is a long line of controllers from Sony since the 90s wherever they don't know any of those things so what being is there where we're like the ape to them

that's interesting science fiction for me. That's a book I want to read. And there are probably books all about this that I don't know about. Yeah, I think so. Like the worms. Like the worms on Aracas. They're smart. We just didn't really know it yet.

They got all kinds of shit to do with the evolution of humans. We just didn't know it. So that's some fun fiction. Give me more of that. All comes back to Dune this month. Just wait until May. I'll shut up about it. But right now it's all doing all the time.

I want to be one of those MENTATs. you want to be a mentat? All right. I want to be a Spicer Guild looking dude because they only show them briefly in the first movie and they got crazy helmets and I just want to know

what's inside of them, those suits because when they brought the thing to Lido Atreides to sign and do it with a ring and say, I'm going with you to run a rackus. They were just kind of there and I want to know what I want to know more about them

and they're in the books and there's more to know but I'm just saying from a visual standpoint yeah what's in those suits gosh dang it those movies are good oh i love it so much all right enough of that let's move on thank you for the bee talk it's good good stuff this bee stuff that we did today you're welcome uh we got a quick final thing before we get out of here monica aka a wicked kitten i think she's in the chat today did i see her earlier sure is she sent us a message uh that says hey this is for tms i'm a little behind he he and i wanted to share something

about the Coke Zero versus diet that I learned firsthand. Some people are just so used to and comforted by the flavor of diet, like Diet Coke, that they actually prefer it and will die on that hill. In the beginning, when Zero drifted into our lives, like a bubbly nectar of the gods, it was decreed that some would be left behind. Those lost souls are warriors, warriors of a forgotten, bad tasting time, says Monica slash Wicked Kitten. No, I understand. I know people in my personal life who will fight.

to the death for Diet Coke versus Coke zero. And they're wrong. I prefer Diet Coke. Oh, Bobby, we can't be friends anymore. I know. I'm taking a risk. I prefer it, but I won't die on that hill. Jesus.

You don't want to die in that hill. There are a lot of hills I'll die on. That ain't one of them for sure. Yeah, that is not a good hill to die on. I don't know. I like it's crispier to me. It has a crispier flavor. I think I don't like really sugary drinks either

So yeah So Coke Zero Like the whole point of Coke Zero is to have fewer calories But the same great taste right Yeah it's supposed to give you no calories But be as close to the as as Coke tastes as they can Yeah but I never I never really liked how sugary those Tasted to begin with

Right It just gives a syrupy feeling in my mouth So it really has less to do with the flavor and more to do with I just never really liked it to begin with. So, um, I get it. Sometimes like, like, like fruit juices are even too, too sweet for me or, or, or, I don't know. They are very sweet. Natural sugar and like a big glass orange juice.

That thing is chock full of sugar, man. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you should know that going in. You know crystal light grown up Kool-Aid? Oh yeah, growing up Kool-Aid crystal-lite. I also have caffeine in it. We water that down more than what it says to make it. Those are caffeinated, right?

Aren't those kind of energy shot? If you get the T ones, they do have caffeine in it. Okay. Because they're made with a real black tea, but you can get the caffeine. They have caffeine-free ones. Those things Brian and I were doing, I forgot the names of them, the little shots. They're very good, and they wake you right up, but I think it's because there's so much caffeine in those things per square inch that it's just jolt your body. Tom Norman, the chat says, in my experience,

uh or it's my experience that people will die on any hill no matter how wrong or stupid hey tom norm are you willing to die on that hill see this is this is how my brain thinks where we all have hills will die on that's hills upon hills hills hills upon hills some people's hills to die in are are the hill that says everyone else is stupid about their hills right but we're probably wrong it's probably more complex than that's probably more there's probably more to it than just everybody's dying on a hill that's stupid you know we've all got we've all got our hills you know what the hill i die here's the hill i die on my kids and my wife and family if they're in trouble i'll die on that hill if they're if they're piled in on top of each other into a hill you'll die on that

hill trying to protect them as the hill because that's what you're fighting for right the idea here the metaphor is if you're dying on a hill that hill is uh you know i don't know like if famous war, you're all fighting for such and such hill. What was the one in the movie? Like fried chicken hill or something? Or cheeseburger hill. What was that called? Whatever it is.

I'm at a lot. There's a movie. There's a movie about a hill that you die on and a war. Hamburger Hill, that's it. That's an actual thing. I don't remember what war. Was it a, that might have been Vietnam. But anyway, the point is you're holding your ground. You're fighting. You're

fighting for what's under you. Well, I don't have too many things like that, I don't think. Like, my kids, I'd die in their hill. Don Cheadle was in Hamburger Hill. He was, he was very good in Hamburger Hill. Hamburger Hill is a good movie. It's all right. If you can, you know, if you can deal with like war, you know, what is it good for?

Absolutely nothing. Say it again. Or what's the use of war in the case of Fallout is war, war never changes. and are you looking forward to that show? Have you seen the trailer for that? What do you think of that? Oh my gosh. I love what's his name.

I'm bad with names too today. Walton Goggins is who you're thinking of. I love Walton Goggins. So I am very excited about that show. And I love Fallout. Yeah. So what else can you ask for it, right? And everyone else looks like they're great in it.

And they got the right sense of humor. By the way, I find out that robot in the trailer that's trying to, whatever it said, take out your organs or whatever it said. That thing's voiced by Matt Barry. That's cool. Yeah. So there's a lot of reasons to get excited about Fargo. And we got like, well, we got like a month

or something. And they're dropping all the episodes the same day. I'm so excited. That I'm also excited about. Please start doing that again. That used to be what you did. And then they stopped. And thank you for doing it again. Yeah. Thank you for doing it again, guys. We appreciate it. That is going to do it for today's show. If you want to be like Monica and send us a message, that was at our text line 801-471-0462,

or you can email us, as usual, at the morning stream at gmail.com. For everything else, you'll find it at frogpants.com slash TMS. And before we leave, I would be remiss if I didn't tell people about. Bobby's fantastic podcast All Around Science. Bobby, tell me more and where they can get it. My fantastic podcast is called All Around Science. We talk about science every week.

Me and my co-host, Mora, and you just look for All Around Science. this past, the episode that just released today, actually, is all about AI, and we talked about AI and whether or not it's, it has like social intelligence and, and more and I had a good debate about that. We had slightly different opinions and, and so just this whole idea that, that AI is whether it's if it does anything, if it's doing anything special and whether it's actually intelligent or not is an interesting conversation to have and we try to have it or we did have it. But yeah, we talk about all sorts of things in science all the time and

that's just what we talked about this week. Nice. All around science. All around science, you guys. Go check it out if you like scientific content or you enjoy what we talked about today. You might find some more right in there. Chat room, I did say Fargo. I did not mean Fargo, I meant fallout. All right. They're the two F words in my life. You got the wrong one. Okay.

That's it. We're out of here. I'm going to play a song. And once again, Brian, stepping up to the plate, giving me something in advance. Appreciate that very much. This is a request.

And this is from yet another Brian. This is Kike Bush. Kike Bush? I don't know if I'm saying that, right. Kikbush? I don't think Kikebush is a right. Play it safe and say Kikik. I'm going to say Kik.

Bush. Yeah, that's a good idea. Anyway, he sent this over on the 6th or so. He said, uh, he wants to, well, here's his, here's his message. March 6th, we should all celebrate my 200th season. This is a Metallica reference on this little blue third, sorry, the scroll here, third stone from the sun. I have a playlist on my Spotify that is nothing but heavy covers. Sympathy for the devil by motorhead. Give me one reason or don't bring me down by the black Stone Cherries. White Room by Apocalyptica. Ooh, I like them. Diamonds by any given day. Blinding light by St. Asonia, Asonia, I believe is correct. Radioactive by Bullet for my Valentine. Kiss from a rose by Kaylee King. I could go on, but I digress. Wants to hear Heldon or Heroes, originally by David Bowie,

by Apocalyptic. That's what we're going to play. All right? Are you ready for this Helden song? I've never heard this so this will be new to me uh maybe across the board well i know heroes though we could be heroes so i don't know what the hell done part is anyway we're going to play that now and tomorrow brian will be back we'll be back with a brand new episode of a tuesday edition of the show we all play all have a fantastic day bobby thanks again for hanging out with me today absolutely thanks everybody for listening we'll see you tomorrow You could... You...

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