The Morning Stream - TMS 2619: Snorehammer 40K

Episode Date: March 21, 2024

Use the Fork, Phoebe. M3GAN Starter Kit. Posable Creepy Kid. Inaudible Audible. Ballerina At Ball Arena. The Alien Head Kid. Brian's Bucket-List Of Bands. Close Encounters of the Mannequin Kind. Terre...strial Extras. Nobody Likes A Big Stink. Boas In The Air Vents. 4K Monitor Lizard. Caught Red Pand-ed. Oh Good They Aren't Following Us. Grilled Cheese Sandwiches and Genocide with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 TMS is brought to you daily by the support of our patrons at patreon.com slash TMS, like Greg Hanshaw, Turd Ferguson, and Grave Fitness. Coming up on the morning stream, Use the fuck, Phoebe. Megan's starter kit. Puzzable creepy kid. Inaudible, audible. Ballerina at Ball Arena. The Alien Head Kid. Brian's bucket list of bands.
Starting point is 00:00:22 Close encounters of the mannequin kind. Terrestrial extras. Nobody likes a big stink. Bo is in the air vents. 4K monitor lizard Caught red pandid Oh good They aren't following us
Starting point is 00:00:34 Grill cheese sandwiches And Genocide with Wendy And more on this episode of The Morning Stream You You're right I don't get you I've prepared a little taste of Minnesota
Starting point is 00:00:51 called Lutifisk MMS The MorningStream. What do you say? We get nipple to nipple. Greetings, everybody, and welcome to TMS. It's the morning stream for Thursday, March 21st, 2024. I'm Scott Johnson.
Starting point is 00:01:22 And that is Brian Ibit. It is. Hello. Yellow. Hello. We had a great pre-show talking about yellow and stuff. Jeff Lynn and his album cover spaceships and something that might be happening soon. Do you say that tour you talked about?
Starting point is 00:01:42 Is that coming to you? I didn't read it. I don't know if it is or not. I saw him, let's see here. This one I think is just the Enterprise Center, appropriately enough, September 6th. I'll bet he's coming to Denver because he really liked ballerina. um yeah actually i know he is because that's how i found out about it because i got the the notification from uh from from ball arena that he was coming
Starting point is 00:02:08 oh nice everyone loves jefflin i don't know if i'll see him yeah i'll bet you will you know what i think you have the power and the will power well october second ball arena the over and out tour does that mean he's saying that it's this is it it's he's probably saying this is it oh is that what that means that isn't the over and out tour it could be vague enough that he could say, oh, no, I didn't mean that and goes on another tour. Or you could say, oh, yeah, that's the end. It's an easy one for him to flip-flop on. I'm Jim, Jeff Lim.
Starting point is 00:02:38 Damn it, I can do what I want, he'll say. He really can do what he wants. And I saw this tour years ago, or his hits tour. And I feel like I got what I needed out of that. So I don't need to see another one. I get that. Yeah, yeah. And this won't be cheap.
Starting point is 00:02:56 I promise you that. No, it definitely won't. Now, Blondie's coming to Denver. Oh, oh. I've never seen. Blondie is another one of those that's on my list of bucket list of bands I want to see. That's cool. So, yeah, it'd be nice to see Blondie.
Starting point is 00:03:13 Yeah, you always want to see Blondie. Speaking of Blondie, I've got to show you something real weird here. Sure, okay. Jim Jensen in our community, he's Ida Blok in chat. He's always around doing cool stuff. he will sometimes show up my doorstep with something cool oh yeah yeah this time he showed up the weirdest thing i may have ever gotten on tms and uh i'm gonna show it to you so you remember us talking about mannequins the other day yes oh no what no did he drop off a mannequin it's almost
Starting point is 00:03:45 worse than that oh god okay because yes the answer is yes but this is it oh it's like a it's like a kid with an alien head that's like um like old navy had those right for showing off their kids clothing i guess so they have it's a pose it has so oh it's poseable inside oh look at that it has a hole for the stick for the and there is a stand i have that over there but you can like bend its leg like this in fact it came package so that its legs were actually bent up in it toward its gut which is terrible its arms come off like that see okay all right and uh i'll put that back in there it's uh it's nondescript there's no face it's all material um you know probably a wire frame underneath with just this fluff on it and then so
Starting point is 00:04:35 shut he got it at this place in town that just does like bulk discount weird stuff like this okay oh my god i need a store like that in uh in my town i'm sure there's something i forgot the name of it he he always says it and i always forget it but anyway so now i have this creepy ass thing i don't know what to do with it I know, it's so creepy You need to give it like a A Pink Floyd the Wall face You remember the kids in Pink Floyd?
Starting point is 00:05:04 Yeah, that's not bad actually Creepy eyes and stuff That's not bad I mean he looks like a little Harconin child Or like a maybe I could make him look like a little war pup You know, the war boys when they're little You could do make him look like
Starting point is 00:05:18 A feral kid from From Road Warrior Oh, I like that Give him a little boomer big shaggy hair and uh yeah give him a boomerang wasn't it was it was it you that made the joke the other day or who was it that he was me linda hunt or whatever that made me love linda hugh looks a little bit like feral kid you can tell me feral kid was linda hunt's brother or something and i'm like yeah i can totally see that they have a similar kind of
Starting point is 00:05:44 like their nose is really high on their face and they have that uh a similar look i just kind of wish it wasn't a kid because it's just it's just freaky You know, I don't know. It's freaky. So I think what I want to do is make it look like a little man, like a little Peter Dinklage or something like that. I don't know. Something like that, you know, like a, like a, like a, make it a little stormtrooper and then you can say you are a little short for a stormtrooper. This one is literally shorter than my full size, or my full size stormtroopers. So yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:16 Oh, hilarious. Wow. Well, anyway, Jim, you're awesome. Thank you for that. I don't know what to do with it. But I love it. And hopefully one day. I'm going to go down to that place with Kim
Starting point is 00:06:26 maybe next week and we're going to see if I can find like a full size mannequin. I see if they have a big one. Yeah. Yeah. And then what do I do with that? I don't know. Dress it up. Yeah, I don't know. Good luck. I like what you do. Yeah, I think that's actually creeper than my creepier than my headless mannequin. I think you, you know,
Starting point is 00:06:41 the complete weird child mannequin creepier than the partial incomplete. It's also proportionally strange. It's not right. That belt is what the best part is that freaking silver thing in the middle, which I imagine, oh, I was going to say, is that let you separate the top half from the bottom?
Starting point is 00:06:59 It's literally just like, there are these, there's seams right here. Like it's attached there, but I can't tell. I don't think it's holding anything together. I think it's just like, I don't know why it's there. Don't be honest. It just looks like his pants, his white pants pulled all the way
Starting point is 00:07:16 above his belly button. Yeah, it's like a 1974 science fiction an experimental film and these are the creatures that walk up and shake your hands and there's kids in those suits or something. Yeah, see if Taylor can give you some of Vann's old clothes temporarily at least just to... Oh, that's a good idea. I could put that. But then that's weird
Starting point is 00:07:34 too. Just like a kid thing? It'll at least look better than having this little weird white naked featureless mannequin for a while until you figure out what exactly to do with them. That's true. Look, touchdown, Brian, touchdown. Touchdown. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:50 Well, anyway. Do do do do. Do you. uh jim is always the best so thanks jim for that i was gone when he brought it by i wish i'd have been here so he could have experienced my shock but uh i was out with the with the uh the babies getting food um anyway uh oh speaking of which so so phoebe can use a fork oh good and feed herself but she's a mess with it right yeah of course most kids that age can't really do it at all so we're proud of her that she can grab the fork and kind of stab things and need it but she's very sloppy so we go to this cup bop over here told you about you've you've got
Starting point is 00:08:26 a cup bob now i think right didn't they move we have a couple cup bops yeah there's one that's not uh not too far from us um that i've been to a couple times and we get we've gotten door dash from them love it they're always good right yummy yummy yeah never not good yeah never not good so we go over there i get what i usually get and uh we walk we could walk too because we didn't have her car seat and so we go in there and she's just a little miss independent and you know bobbling around and want to touch everything and do everything we sit her down make her little plate it's got rice and chicken and uh she proceeds to take her fork and go right into the plate and the whole plate goes bra off onto the floor so i want to say a
Starting point is 00:09:06 personal sorry to everybody it works at the cup pop over there i didn't have a great way to clean it up it was fine it all worked out but uh anyway super fun hey brine we got an email from Dan Chapman. Somebody we hear from. We hear from this guy once in a while. He's a component engineer and knows his shit. All right. I think if you're a component engineer,
Starting point is 00:09:27 that automatically means you know stuff. You know stuff, yes. Here's what he says. This is about that FCC thing about... Oh, the scrambler. Right. Scrambler, yeah. He says, so while it's going to need TMS today,
Starting point is 00:09:39 you covered, I think he, I think he means some, that he wrote something. Anyway, RF stuff with terrestrial. TV and jammers, not scramblers. A scrambler is for security of your transmission, not blocking others. So that's interesting. It's almost like a Faraday cage or the same need as a Faraday case. Right. Yeah. The security of your transmission. So yeah, like it's all. It'd be like you. It'd be like you. If you didn't want anyone to hear you communicating, you would employ a scrambler on your end. It wouldn't mess up other people's communication, but they would not be able to tap into
Starting point is 00:10:14 They wouldn't be able to access mine. It's almost like encrypting your stream, encrypting your... Right. Oh, it is like a form of... I guess it is a kind of encryption, isn't it? Yeah. Well, we're going to get more emails saying, well, not exactly like a encrypting. Right, exactly.
Starting point is 00:10:28 Anyway, a jammer is 100% illegal, he says, and can be reported to the FCC, which they will investigate. The penalties for this are significant. So take that into consideration. You can go to consumercomplaints.fc.g.gov. for the TVRF sorry for the TVRF this is not changed so rabbit ears
Starting point is 00:10:48 still work great for the lower VHF frequencies that are still used most stations have moved more for the UHF frequencies which the smaller hoop antennas are great for well that's interesting
Starting point is 00:11:02 I wonder what the round ones are for versus the square box thing that's basically what it was like like you have your two through 13 was it or 14 whatever the you remember when you had the two different dials you had the VHF dial and the UHF dial so VHF 2 through 14 or 15 and then you had like 21 through 60 something on the VHF dial the circular ones are I'm sorry for the UHF dial circular ones pick up those
Starting point is 00:11:33 signals and then the rabbit ears pick up the um your two through 15 And as you say this, I'm reminded that to this day, I still find that all just magic. It really is. The fact that you bend a metal wire in a different way and it picks up different frequencies. Now, here in Colorado, none of that. They've stopped all, like all the terrestrials have stopped all broadcasts. There was a whole big thing about that says, now if you're still getting TV through rabbit ears, that's going to end. And that was, gosh, 2015.
Starting point is 00:12:10 Maybe it's been a while. Oh, really? I didn't know that. Is that a thing that they're doing everywhere soon? Or is that I don't know. Yeah. So it must be a state thing. It might be a state thing, but yeah, all the news stations were talking about it for months
Starting point is 00:12:23 beforehand saying, now make sure you go get one of these and that they showed the little flat panel thing that plugs into your coax that it's still free. You'll still pick up the over-the-year networks and it'll be HD and blah, blah, blah. But, yeah, we did that too. It's starting to ring a bell. Maybe we did something similar. There was a warning that, hey, if you're, using this, you're going to want to upgrade because HD signals are now going to come over
Starting point is 00:12:43 this and you can still get it, but your old rabbit ears may not work kind of thing or whatever was. Exactly. Yeah. So I don't know if it's, if it was nationwide, but it definitely was in Colorado and definitely had a big stink. There was a big stink over it. No one likes a big stink. Nobody likes a big stink. So, one other thing I was going to say about that. What was it? 12 says it was nationwide. Oh, was it? It's probably, turned off analog TV. That was a long time ago. Yeah, I can't remember the year.
Starting point is 00:13:14 It was, it was, it seems like forever ago. It was a whole pandemic ago. You thought I had time, problem was figuring out time and guessing years before, Scott. Now it's like, you put a whole pandemic in there and everything's rain meant $100, about $100. About $100, yeah. That's a great way of saying that, actually.
Starting point is 00:13:32 Yeah. I have a hard time articulating it. 2009. 2009, geez. Yeah. I had somebody with, they were, It was definitely a developmentally intellectually disabled person. I'm trying to make sure I get the language right.
Starting point is 00:13:46 Tina's taught me dealing with the adult protective services. She keeps up on the lingo and helps me with it. But I had somebody who had, I think, fairly severe autism in my car yesterday doing Lyft. They got in the car and handed me a, like, a business card tape or a paper clip to a $5 bill. And the business card is upstairs. It says, hi, my name is. so-and-so. Thank you for participating in the RTD, which is our best thing out here. Rides for disabled people situation.
Starting point is 00:14:24 It's worded so much better on the card, which I should have brought down. So we got in the car, and I said, how are you doing? And he had big headphones on, so I thought, okay, so he's either listening to something or he's non-verbal. And as I start driving, maybe a couple minutes into the ride, he starts, and I got to pull up the text because I googled it because I thought, what is this? So this phrase, when she found out her boyfriend's record deal fell through, she kicked him and his stuff out out the door. Whoa. And then he repeated it.
Starting point is 00:15:03 When she found out her boyfriend's record deal fell through, she kicked him and his stuff. out the door. And for the next 37 minutes, Scott, from one end of town to the other, I never got any more of that story, except, well, there'll be bits and pieces like, and his boa constrictor crawled into the vents, and most furnaces have, operate on a such and such, and without knowing it, the house was filling with gas. It's like a whole, that's what I'm thinking, like an audio book, that he was listening to an audio book, and it was, um,
Starting point is 00:15:39 oh maybe what he's listening to right then yeah yeah yeah okay i could see that but i was that's what i was curious about so if you googled that did you find the reference to what it might be i looked to say oh man what book you know what book did this come from or what story or whatever and nothing came up for it unfortunately but uh um yeah it was it was interesting there were points that he'd get uh that he'd say it but it was getting like more agitated um when there was traffic it seemed he he would get more agitated i would get a little more agitated but i would get a little more agitated, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't show it. Sure.
Starting point is 00:16:12 And then at one point, we go, we're on Broadway, and we go by a street, and there's a police car that's about to turn, and he goes, a police car. And then he turns around, oh, good, they're not following us. And then he goes back to repeating the phrase over and over again. Well, I'm also glad I wasn't following you, for the record. Well, I mean, what, you know, I drive very, you know, I'm a very, I'm a very, I'm a very, I'm a very, follow the rulesy kind of driver Scott. Back to Rain Man, you're a very good driver. Exactly. But anyway, yeah, I don't know
Starting point is 00:16:45 that mentioning that that reminded me of that. But it was interesting. That is interesting. Well, I don't want bow constrictors in the air vents. I don't want any of that. Also drove a guy used to that just got out of jail. He's getting his life back on track. He's living in a sober
Starting point is 00:17:04 house. God, really nice guy. And this is a guy that, you know, really covered with tattoos and that sort of thing and were i um it just came off with a very intimidating vibe and might be somebody that i'd be that my my heckles would go up if i was walking towards um and we talked again it was a long ride it was another 25 minute ride and we talked the whole time um absolutely don't judge a book by its cover this guy was the nicest guy in the world and and really had some some crap that he went through in his life some of a lot of which he causes and admits he caused sure or caused uh and he's finally getting his life on track
Starting point is 00:17:46 it's really wild it's um yeah it's funny you're forced in a yeah exactly you're forced in a situation in a car with with uh with somebody that you would never in a million years talk to otherwise and um oh it's just he had a fascinating story wow that's cool had some good lifting then yesterday is yeah it was good lifting good lifting good have some good little lifting. Yeah, some real good lifting. A little sore from all that lifting. He does go on to say, lastly, most Mark TVs these days have live TV pause so you can add a USB memory stick to the television. It will kind of like mini DVR things.
Starting point is 00:18:19 That's interesting. I didn't know that. That's crazy. I didn't know that either. So the bigger the USB stick you put in there, the more memory, the longer you can pause things for probably. Yeah, I had no idea. And if that's the case, that explains, I always thought those USB ports were just for like firmware updates or I didn't what they're for. Sounds like they've got like an actual use that's interesting. I could use that, I think. For sure. Anyway, there's that.
Starting point is 00:18:46 Thank you, Dan Chapman. Thanks, Dan Chapman. You're the chappiest of all men. Let's move on to this one. I got a schedule or a schedule, a text about weird schedules. Sure. And it says for TMS, it says this is from Hunter and Canada
Starting point is 00:19:00 who I, because we celebrate all our Canadians, we'll do this. Canada! Here's what he says. For TMS. ski and bored listening to episode 2614. I'm a snow cat operator. Cool. That's cool, man. That's the big things that they were riding or snow.
Starting point is 00:19:17 They make snow. Oh, they just drive around in it. They're like a little. Yeah, like the ones in the, whatever the ones in the shining were kind of. Right. Yeah, like a little bulldozerie kind of thing that operates on snow. Yeah, more new version would be like that one that Liam Neeson drives in snowbound.
Starting point is 00:19:36 No, was that called? called we liked it you and i yeah uh snow no something snow i can't remember it's good though whatever that one is seek it out there is it's good it's one of his taken likes that i freaking liked a lot yes and they're taken likes well well put that's all he makes now and it's fine i actually don't this is not a pejorative i'm into him they're good no there was it was taken on a train there was taken in the snow yep i like that try i love that taken likes that plain one was real good Cold Pursuit, that's it, I-Corps, thank you. Old pursuit, thank you.
Starting point is 00:20:09 It's quite good. Anyway, it works on a snow cat there in Canada, and I eat lunch at 2 a.m. My shift is at midnight. 10 a.m. grooming the skies. Sorry, ski. Grooming the ski runs at the Sun Peaks Resort in British Columbia. My partner works at day shift, but lives in the UK, so it actually works out so we can chat while working. P.S. Social life is manageable because I work eight days.
Starting point is 00:20:36 on and six days off. Plenty of time to oppress drinks. Operet. That's French for after. So, uh, Opry ski is like, after skiing, have a drink. Got it.
Starting point is 00:20:51 So Hunter. I think it's French for after, but, but if you're in Canada and your girlfriend or wife or whoever your partner's in the UK, do you guys take your, you fly to each other? I assume? Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:21:07 I don't know. With the six days off, that probably makes it pretty easy. But it still seems hard. It still seems hard. And then you're always got jet lag because you're changing your schedule just for six days. I don't know how this works. Yeah. Amy confirms, we, aprae means after.
Starting point is 00:21:25 Thank you. Thank you, Amy. Thank you, anyone who knows French because I don't. Yep. All right, there's that. In Colorado, with all the skiers, oh, you got to know this too. Bray Ski is after skiing. Yeah, I'll learn that.
Starting point is 00:21:37 I'll know that now. Now you know it. Yeah, never heard of that before. Here's one from Mark. It's an email about other ways to sleep at night. Brian uses an app. I listen to some, lately it's some dune things.
Starting point is 00:21:52 Not that weird sound, but I like this like, there's this one where it's just meditative, like desert music. I listen to that. It's really good. Anyway, Brown noise, whatever. He says, hey, emperor and heretic.
Starting point is 00:22:04 Oh, we're on. on, on, on, on, on, on, uh, on, uh, on, on, uh, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, don't feel bad because someone falls asleep to, yeah, okay. On the subject of listening to lighthearted group of friends chatting about your favorite subject helps to not think about the stress of today or tomorrow, he says, well, I agree with that. Cool. So, so here's a tip, if brown noise doesn't do it for you anymore. I suppose it could wear off. I myself fall asleep to Lutin, who posts
Starting point is 00:22:39 one plus hour long Warhammer 40K lore videos on YouTube. Never played Warhammer 40K, but damn do I love the lore. Love the content mark. So that's just listening to like... The Horace heresy happened in the year 40,022
Starting point is 00:22:54 when the god emperor zipzap, like that's what that is. Just saying the phrase, one hour long Warhammer 40K lore videos, I'm already tired. like hearing just just those eight words together makes me fall asleep we found brian's nap word yeah oh 40K warhammer lore video like warhammer lore videos boom that's all i needed here and i love warhammer so i would i would probably enjoy this but i'd never thought to listen to it
Starting point is 00:23:22 to sleep so i think world of warcraft lore videos would or uh yeah videos would do the same thing for me yeah i got hooked on this new game called um bore oh what is it Shoot. Boar something. Boar worms. Boar game, steam. I cannot remember the last part of it. Boar something.
Starting point is 00:23:44 Boar blasters. Boar blasters. Okay. All right. This thing just came out. I'll put up a little steam page for the chat. It's this like you're in this, you're, you work with a bunch of dwarves. And you're in a like a helicopter subterranean vehicle.
Starting point is 00:24:02 and you take this thing down into the deep, dark dirt of like an asteroid. And your goal is to get as many gems as you can while you're in there. You got a bunch of upgrades as you go. And you collect these gems and then you take to the surface and you use the money from those gems to upgrade your stuff. So that might be more damaging weapons or longer time under there or whatever it is. Yeah. It can take more damage, that sort of thing. And then you find treasure.
Starting point is 00:24:31 You find all this stuff. There's quests to do. And I am so hopelessly addicted to a board last year. I can't stop playing it. It's so good. It sounds like dig-dug. I mean, what a dig-dug rip-off. In some ways, that's what I love.
Starting point is 00:24:48 Like, I've always had a thing for digging down in games. I don't know what it is. Subterranean, let's go underground games. Some of my favorites. And even like when I play Minecraft, I don't want to spend much time on the surface. I want to go down. And I want to do that here.
Starting point is 00:25:04 And I want to do that in those Steamworld dig games. You know, I just want to keep going. And this is like that. You're just like, oh, I'm going to dig. It's a really cool. It plays great on Steam Deck, too. So I played that in bed until probably 1 a.m. And that was stupid.
Starting point is 00:25:19 Now my neck kind of hurts right here. Yeah. It reminds me, what is, you know, reminds me of Scramble, the old arcade game, Scramble, where you'd, but that was you were on a path going through, like, minds and stuff shaped like this and you'd have to shoot things on the ground and yeah you went left to right I think in scramble and you had
Starting point is 00:25:40 you're right though it was like caves stalactites it followed a path it was caves yeah you followed a path and just yeah uh shot the things that were shooting at you yeah this one gets pretty crazy there have been some like I just did one where certain blocks because you're blowing everything up all the
Starting point is 00:25:56 all the extra you know terrain and some of them are full of like bees or flies. So there is a, you can, you can shoot the wrong thing and have bad things happen. It's not to blow everything up, all our Robitron. All the time.
Starting point is 00:26:12 There's kind of weird, weird stuff will come out of rocks. You're like, holy shit, this place is full of aliens. I can't just shoot rocks. I also have to fight these creatures and you die early. But you always get to keep whatever you earn so far, even if you fail the run. It's really good. And they're working on some kind of endless mode, which sounds like it'll be amazing.
Starting point is 00:26:28 Anyway, very good. I'd probably play I don't know, seven hours of that I think so far. nice little side recommendation let's get to the news which we didn't do yesterday so today we're doing it here it is time for the news brought to you by we're right to you by coverville today at noon mountain time twitch dot tv slash coverville uh tributes a couple tributes uh this time around one for steve harley and cockney rebel one one hit wonder uh at least here in the u.s known for a song called make me smile come up and see me, but they've also done a couple
Starting point is 00:27:04 covers themselves, so we'll have a little short set paying tribute to Steve Harley. The big part, the bulk of the show, will be celebrating the life and music of Carl Wallinger. He was a member of the Water Boys for a little while, but you best know Carl from his music as
Starting point is 00:27:20 part of World Party. Things like put the message, put the message in the box, put the box into a car, all that. And is it like today? And, oh, A Ship of Fools. She's the One, the theme song to the movie. Was the movie called She's the One?
Starting point is 00:27:38 No, the movie was Beautiful Girls, right? I can't think of it. A bunch of people from that time, I think. She's the one. That's a different song. Yeah, a different one. Anyway, that's all of that coming up at noon today, Twitch.tv.
Starting point is 00:27:56 Believe me, if you don't think you're familiar with Carl Wallinger's music and World Party, I guarantee, if you were live in the 90s and listen to radio, regular alternative radio or pop or whatever, you would absolutely hear, you've heard a lot of World Party's music. Well, I definitely existed in that decade, so I will check it out. Today at noon, everybody, coverville, or sorry, coverville on Twitch, Twitch. Twitter on Twitch. Here is a story about a Lincoln woman, not Mary Todd Lincoln, but a lady in Lincoln. A woman from Lincoln, Nebraska. Okay, good.
Starting point is 00:28:35 Yep. It says here, here's the headline. Lincoln Woman exploits pump glitch to get over $27,000 in free gas. Whoa. She hacked the gas station. I kind of want to know what this hack is because I could use the savings. Jeez, no kidding. Let's see, gas station in Lincoln, I assume this is Nebraska.
Starting point is 00:28:54 It looks like it, yeah. Has a fixed a glitch, or sorry, has a gas station in Lincoln has fixed a glitch that allowed people to pump thousands of gallons of fuel for free. Don Thompson, age 45, aren't they always, is charged with one count of theft by unlawfully taking 5 gram plus, although up top it said 27,000. So I don't know why the difference. Yeah, just the loss starts at 5 grand. So whatever, if you steal anything over 5 grand, this is the unlawful taking of $5,000 or
Starting point is 00:29:20 plus of merchandise or whatever. Really? Because I'd stop at 4,999. It's almost like you're doing the gas pump thing like you're like, do a little trigger just to get to the right number okay done yeah that was such a fun game back when you're in high school and you could only four or five bucks in gas or whatever have two dollars in your pocket you yeah i love that because you didn't prepay back then so you'd be just like zip zip zip zip zip and if you went over it was the worst yeah yeah right but if you hit it
Starting point is 00:29:51 you were like yeah and your friends were like woo it was it was an amazing stupid thing to get excited there's a whole generation of kids who've never experienced that and and i don't know what it's Yeah. What do you guys do now? Like if you're, uh, let's say you're, I don't know, you're, uh, you're 16. You're just using your parents card or something and paying them back, aren't you? You're not even. Yeah, probably. Or the parents are, or, uh, I mean, it's a big assumption. I think that there are kids who have to pay their own gas for sure. Oh, yeah. And it's like, I've only got five bucks until the next paycheck, but they probably got a credit card. And so they're just racking up, racking up credit card debt. Yeah. I mean, we were, my kids when they were teenagers, I think Venmo had just started to sort of be a thing. And so anytime, pretty sure we did it that way. I think we gave Carter or Taylor a card and then she would use, she'd fill up gas and then Venmo us the amount. I think that's what we did. And that makes sense and I would probably do that today if I had kids driving. That's a good way to do it. Yeah. Yeah. And it wasn't just analog, George. Back in the day, we had digital, but it was still this thing where if you had two bucks in your pocket, like Brian said, Or if you had 75 cents, and it's all you could afford, you would just...
Starting point is 00:31:01 You just need to get to school, right, exactly. Yeah, you'd pull that finger. You'd go, click, click, click. This is this amazing mini game. You know what? I'm having all kinds of nostalgia about that. I love that. I think you need to develop a steam game that is gas pumping or something like that.
Starting point is 00:31:19 Gas pump simulator. That's the other thing I've been playing is this light, was it something light year. no, Lightyear Frontier. It's on GamePass as well as Steam in early access, but basically it's, you land on a planet, you're there alone, and you're in a mech, and you establish a farmstead, and you farm in a mech, Brian, you're wearing a mech.
Starting point is 00:31:46 That's cool. Yep, and you're out looking for stone and you're cutting down trees and all this, and there's nothing to kill. It's a very chill farming simulator, but you do it in a freaking meck, and it's amazing. I'm so in love with it so far.
Starting point is 00:31:59 Anyway, enough about games. Tune into core tonight, 5 p.m. Mountain Time, and you'll hear all about it. Anyway, she's charged for this
Starting point is 00:32:07 and police said she used the exploit to pump free gas for more than six months. She probably thought she was forever going to get away. I wonder how she figured it out because obviously it wasn't giving it to everybody, so.
Starting point is 00:32:17 Yeah. You know, she figured out that if she entered in a certain code on the keypad or something or, uh... This place is called a pump and pantry, by the way. I love that.
Starting point is 00:32:26 A great name Pantry. You need food? It's still better than come and go. Yep. About to be Maverick, though. They're going to change it. Yep.
Starting point is 00:32:35 Oh, I heard from John Pryor down there at Doghouse Systems. He heard about our discussion regarding what was the name of the place that everybody wants to go and you have one in Denver now? Buckies. Buckies. He's like, dude, you got to go to Buckees. I'll fly you to Texas. He's like so excited. to have me see a Buckees and they showed me
Starting point is 00:32:58 all the swag he got from Buckees he's got pictures of his first visit to a Buckees like apparently it's a real thing like they're really big on it down there it's not just like a passie the guy who um he the guy like just call me
Starting point is 00:33:12 crash is that him because I think he oh no not him there was somebody who sent me um photos this is John a dog house this just the owner of dog house no not run fish godly I can't
Starting point is 00:33:26 figure out who is yeah well i wonder if he i wonder if i know him was something else because he had pictures with himself himself and the big statue the bucky's statue on the front of the place that's what i'm wondering if i'd have to ask him i don't know i don't think so but that'd be that'd be great the CEO of doghouse taking pictures and sending them secretly to brian that'd be great um well anyway let's see the manager got word from the pump and dump or the pump and pantry sorry uh that there's something been going on they were participants spending this fuel scam. They did some further investigation.
Starting point is 00:33:59 Police learned that the fuel pumps received a software update in November of 2022. The update managed orders and reward cards and it was made at the request of the customers and staff. Unbeknownst to the company, however, the update was exploitable, allowed anyone to swipe a rewards card twice to enter the pump into a demo mode.
Starting point is 00:34:18 From there, the user could pump gas for free. So it's like a test, that's a bad test mode. I feel like the software developers are as much. much to blame for this as this woman is because make your, you know, make your getting into demo mode require a lot more than just, oh, did my card go in? I'm going to do it again. Now I'm in demo mode, right? It feels like, uh, I agree. That's bad design, dude. Yeah. Which I, you know,
Starting point is 00:34:43 they patched, but still, like, when was that a good idea? That was never a good idea. Uh, the loss prevention manager discovered the particular card had been repeatedly used for free gas by tracing the cards information. Police were able to identify Thompson according to court records. Video surveillance showed her pumping fuel into her vehicle on multiple occasions. I would assume that's because she's driving and running out of gas. So she put, you know, I think that's why multiple occasions. Yeah, weird. Police think the fuel was stolen between November 13th of 2022 and June 1st of 2023. In those months, the rewards card was used 510 times. So that tells me she also used it for friends as my guess. Everybody she knew got free gas.
Starting point is 00:35:23 Yeah. You got a, you got a lawnmower, need some gas. come on with me so seven months let's see June or I'm sorry about seven and a half months right November 13th to June 1st the following year it's a lot
Starting point is 00:35:38 they're dumb for not noticing it before that I agree I completely agree they're not paying attention at all I think you get lazy about how systems work at companies like that and you just everything's going good
Starting point is 00:35:51 you know it's not like they have IT specialists on site so I think that sort of thing just happens I think they'll learn their lesson. It's actually six and a half months because none of June. So half of November and all of December, January, February, March, April, and May. Yep. It says here, estimated 7,413.59 gallons.
Starting point is 00:36:10 That's a lot of gallons of gas. Yeah. The manager estimated the average fuel cost between those months to be 375 or so per gallon, bringing total losses to $27,860.27. cents. Oof. Yep. Try finger in that carefully.
Starting point is 00:36:31 That's a fun one. Let's try this one. Red pandas. You know the red pandas? They're real cute. Yeah. We have in the movie Turning Red. Oh, there you go.
Starting point is 00:36:39 That's a good example. We have them here at our local zoo, but they don't come out very much. And they even have a sign that says red pandas are rare to see because they don't like to come out and look at people. They want to stay in their little.
Starting point is 00:36:53 place oh i get you yeah very introverted yeah there's also something with temperatures certain times a year you're never going to see him or something but anyway sure uh a red panda was found in luggage at the bangkok airport oh bangkok no what do you do well there you go six indian nationals i used to say dot not feather but i don't do that anymore okay isn't you just kind of do it by saying you don't do it kind of But I'm telling you people at home, I don't say that anymore, okay? I don't say dot and a feather anymore. Six Indian nationals have been arrested at Bangkok's International Airport for attempting to smuggle a red panda and dozens of other animals out of the country.
Starting point is 00:37:42 Boy, they hit the headline there. Yeah, no kidding. And dozens of other animals. Snakes, parrots. In a giant arc. Yep. Snakes, parrots, monitor lizards. Those are big lizards.
Starting point is 00:37:55 I have a 17-inch monitor lizard. It's really nice. Yeah, but you have to de-gouse it. That's not fun. Yeah, yeah. You can't keep any magnets near the 17-inch monitor lizard. Yeah, never do that. You get permanent distortion or recticolor.
Starting point is 00:38:09 I really like to get a curved monitor lizard. Yeah. They're expensive, dude. Very expensive. Yeah, they are. Yeah. But get an OLED 260 hertz monitor lizard. 4K monitor lizard.
Starting point is 00:38:21 Yeah. Anyway, these are among 87 animals seized at the... I'm not going to say this right. Suvarna Bahunimi... How would you say that airport, Brian? That's a challenge. I have to find it. 87 is second line or second...
Starting point is 00:38:36 Oh, there it is right there. All right, so Suvarna Boomi. Savarnabumi. I think you got it. That's a big one. That's a hard one. That is a big one. That's a lot. It's a...
Starting point is 00:38:45 Put that on a triple word score and win the game. They were allegedly discovered in the suspects checked luggage as they tried to fly to Mumbai, the suspects face a maximum of 10 years behind bars. The Thai Customs Department released photos showing the Red Panda, an endangered species, inside a basket, and a parrot shut in a plastic container. Snakes were coiled together in cloth bags.
Starting point is 00:39:10 Oh, my God. Jeez. Rude. Thailand is a major transit hub for wildlife smugglers. The animals are usually sold in China or Vietnam, sometimes India, it has become a wildly growing market in India. People are buying these animals like crazy. Don't put your parrots in Tupperware.
Starting point is 00:39:29 That's right. Not cool. Not cool. Do they burp when you open a little bit? It goes burp. It just says burp. All they want to burp. All they want to kill you as soon as I get out.
Starting point is 00:39:40 Birds, to this day, birds that can talk and mimic freak me the f out. Yeah, I know they do. I know you see a lot of those videos and send him to me or used to anyway, It's been a while, but, dude, listen to this minor bird. I know. Or a crow that goes, hello. Ola? Ola.
Starting point is 00:39:56 It's like, stop it. You're not supposed to talk. That's freaking weird, man. That's our world. That's our territory. And then when you think about the fact that birds evolve from dinosaurs, that's even freakyer. You're telling me, had things gone just a little different, little DNA to the left or whatever, we'd have dinosaurs talking to us going, Ola, it's like freaking F off.
Starting point is 00:40:17 I don't want that in my life. And it's not just because it's birds. If dolphins all of a sudden started talking, we'd be freaked out. Everybody'd be freaked out. Yeah, no. Are you kidding me? Oh, my gosh, imagine. And they're supposed to be super smart as well, right?
Starting point is 00:40:30 Dolphins are smart. If there's an animal that could figure out our language and how to replicate it, it's dolphins. Yeah, what if they popped out when? No more fish. I just said it in like perfect English, you know? Exactly. Blew. Clean up the water.
Starting point is 00:40:46 You guys are making a big mess. Get your microplastics out of here. John Madako says the dolphins do talk these don't speak English. Yeah, no, I'm talking about English. Well, yeah. Yeah, we're saying if they actually learned our language is. Yeah, yeah, I understand they communicate. I get it.
Starting point is 00:41:00 My dog communicates and can. And dogs can. I get that, but never once, as my dog said, I'd like beef instead of chicken. Puppy kitty trout, love that name, says, what animal wouldn't freak you out if it started talking? And I don't think there's a single animal that if it started talking would not freak me out. There's nothing.
Starting point is 00:41:18 think um no yeah brian's right yeah yeah they would all freak me out i mean if a gorilla suddenly started talking which is our closest uh you know uh genetic relative i would probably just completely freak me out like when even when i see him talking in like tarzan the disney movie kerchek voiced by lance henriksen he's like well we're moving the we're moving the herd or the pack or the whatever they call themselves to the other thing if if a real one did that like Diane Fosse sitting there poking around with gorillas and one of them went Diane enough with the photos or whatever I'd go shit enough done that's it we're out we're done I don't know why that's so crazy
Starting point is 00:42:01 Tina will be happy to tell this story to anybody who sees her in Vegas and she'll confirm it that we had a cat named Juliet when Tina started dating when we got married that we had a cat named Juliet and Juliet was long hair, very similar and looked to Anara, but a lot smaller. And at night, she started making this weird
Starting point is 00:42:26 howling noise where we're both listening and we're sure. She said, Brian, Brian. Oh, shit. Brian. I don't like it. And repeating it. And she will 100%, like this was, this freaked us out. Those are multiple
Starting point is 00:42:42 nights. Freaked us out. It is. She will absolutely confirm that This is a, that is freaky. I don't like it. Even if it's a total happenstance. This is mimicking or coincidence. Yeah. Or a cat kind of sounds like it's always saying Brian a little bit.
Starting point is 00:42:56 I don't care. If it says, if there's a B in its pronunciation, F that cat. I don't want anything to do with your animals and talk. It freak me out. BioCow says, would you freak out more if your cat started talking or your couch? Oh, no, I'd freak out more. I don't know if the couch would freak out. But I would freak out more.
Starting point is 00:43:16 You would freak out more than the couch would. Yeah, the couch would be fine. For sure. For sure. Yeah. Frazing. Oh, I see what he means. If the couch was talking, I see.
Starting point is 00:43:25 Oh, the joke is. Oh, you see what the deal is there. Yeah, that would freak me out. Also, um, I don't want to hear a crow say, oh la again. I don't like it. Ola? Because they do it low. They go, Ola.
Starting point is 00:43:40 Ola. Ola. Oh, la. Don't like it. all right here's a oh and so they're in trouble they're going to jail and that's good that's how that should turn out these people should go to jail for taking these animals um final story and they should get put they should get taken to jail in a little plastic tub a sealed plastic container i like it or a bag yeah so it's a sack or a bag coiled together in a bag with a bunch of
Starting point is 00:44:06 snakes that's right that's right man like these these animals i mean look i'm i i cannot like animal Can't do it. I'll eat a chicken. I'll eat a burger. I'll eat food that I don't, didn't have to watch die. I'll do that. But, but I don't want to, I don't want it. I don't want cruel and unusual anything. I don't want anybody picking on no animals. If I could go back in time and tell that friend of mine not to suck the dog nipple, I would. That wasn't very nice either. I don't know. The dog might have enjoyed it. I don't. We don't know. They can't talk. They can't tell us. Thank goodness. They can't. good lord yeah oh yeah that would be if that i could talk by the way i've been holding the story to myself for a long time but uh i think the truth can finally come out this this kid over here sucked my nipple yeah he's now an attorney he's a partner in his firm well he sucked my nipple for a dollar and uh we've never quite gotten over it here in the dog world yeah i'm glad the truth can finally come out though here's that story about a uh
Starting point is 00:45:12 A male humanoid robot. We love robots, but maybe we don't love this one. A male humanoid robot was unveiled in Saudi Arabia and then inappropriately, like immediately inappropriately touched a female reporter on the butt. No, Chappie, no. Don't do that.
Starting point is 00:45:30 Bad Chappie. I'm going to pull up video. There's video this. Okay. But touching. Excellent. I love the fact that we get, but oh, God, this thing is creepy looking.
Starting point is 00:45:40 I don't like it at all. It's very creepy. Yeah, it's almost worse than... Where's the video? Media not supported, hello. Oh, okay. Disturbing Uncanny Valley stuff going on there. We don't need to make animatronic
Starting point is 00:45:56 Hall of Presidents-looking robots. Let our robots look like C-3PO and... Yeah, stuff where it's clearly a metal dude. Yeah. Not a skin-tight-looking, man. I don't want that. Exactly. There's a reason that we like our echo devices to look like tall black cylinders.
Starting point is 00:46:20 That's right. We don't want it to look like a little miniature person. 100%. If you scroll down, you'll see this lady in the blue pantsuit talking. She's got a, she's some sort of reporter. And the brief video just shows this robot for no reason. Just suddenly its hand goes forward and touches her butt. Not cool.
Starting point is 00:46:36 Oh, not cool. Not cool at all. I don't like it. No, sir, I don't. Yeah. Saudi Arabia. you already got a bad rep. What are you doing over there?
Starting point is 00:46:45 Yeah. Finally, Toyota engineers develop a vehicle inspired by Pokemon character. You like the Pokemon. Yeah, all right, without looking at the article. Is it a Pikachu? No. No.
Starting point is 00:46:57 No, really? Okay. It is a Miradon. Miriodon, sorry. Miriadon. Really? Okay. I'm pulling it up here.
Starting point is 00:47:05 There's a photo. There you go, chat. Miridon. Oh, interesting. Yeah, look at that thing. I can see this too. Pretty gnarly. Oh.
Starting point is 00:47:12 I know. Damn, I want one now. Yeah, you were thinking, like, oh, it'd be like a Pikachu front end with the eyeballs and, you know. I've seen people do that. They have a yellow Volkswagen or a little yellow, uh, uh, MG, uh, mini, or not MG Mini, but the mini, Mini, Mini, but the mini, Mini Cooper. And then they put little Pokemon logos, uh, eyes and stuff on it, which is cute.
Starting point is 00:47:33 Yeah. This thing, where do I sign up? Yeah, where do I get, how do I, how do I, how am I able to retrieve this to be in my life? Does it run like a, like a tiger? Like a jaguar. I do too. It says Toyota engineers develop the vehicle inspired by the Pokemon character. Toyota has developed this vehicle.
Starting point is 00:47:56 The character, let's see, from the series, blah, blah, blah. Okay, the vehicle will be on display in the Tokyo Midtown Hibaya, Hibia complex. Hibaya? I don't know. Sure. For three days from Friday, visitors will be allowed to ride it to feel as if they are in a Pokemon Universe. Oh. Toyota Engineering Society, a group of Toyota engineers and employees, launched the Myriadon vehicle project based on a survey of about 8,000 elementary school kids.
Starting point is 00:48:24 Aw, kids. Because the kids want it, you know. Yeah, they picked it. Good choice, kids. Yeah, good job. Thanks for not picking Slowbro or snor legs or something. Good point. Let's see. has four legs a four leg mode and a two-wheel drive mode it can travel at a speed of about three kilometers per hour it's not very fast it will be on public display in the drive mode uh in the media event on thursday and it's slowly walked in the four-legged mode so people could see it walk around i don't know i think that kind of stuff's kind of cool oh for sure you know just it's not practical it's not practical but no no you know what is yeah at the end of the day what's really practical What is? Oh, man, you've got philosophical all of a sudden. I know. I feel like we're going to, we owe somebody an apology or something for help us out. Somebody's going to be therapy. Oh, good thing. Yeah. Brian, let's play, or let's do a song because we've got Wendy coming up and we've got to prepare. And the only way to do it is to play a song. So do that.
Starting point is 00:49:25 For sure. This is one of those things where I look at the headline and think one thing until I start reading the copy of the PR release and find out something completely different. PR company, the syndicate, sent me this one. French cassettes have a third album coming out. At first I thought it was a French band named Cassettes. But no, they are a Bay Area band called French Cassettes. The third album is coming out. It's called Benzine. It comes out June 7th via Tender Loving Empire.
Starting point is 00:49:57 This is the new single, the first single from the album. Here are French cassettes. We'll be right back. I don't say the name of the song. White noise. Oh, white noise. Yeah, white noise, French cassettes. But there's a scream, a random scream.
Starting point is 00:50:09 Oh, good. Thanks for the warning, actually. That's great. All right, everybody. Here it is. We'll be back in a minute with Wendy. Stay tuned. I've been doing good lately
Starting point is 00:50:41 You said I'm crazy to leave And trust me, I want to believe you So don't make me But I was wrong And you were wrong I was broke within half an hour Baby let you love Calm down on mine
Starting point is 00:51:04 Baby let you love down on my like it used to, it used to, it used to, it used to, it used to. Even if I was only being clever by saying leave me nothing at the tone, I can't remember a better laugh than when I played it back, when I got home, and between the white noise and a light of the familiar scrape of a capy and twist it off not only did i know that it was you but i could tell which room it's sad but true i asked what do they have against you and you said everything everything Baby let your love calm down on mine. Baby let you love calm down on mine.
Starting point is 00:52:20 Like it used to, it used to, it used to, it used to. If you try to sell me a flour while I'm eating my chicken parm, you better cover your balls. I never thought I'd say this, but I like the cut of your jib. And we're back. Tell me who that was again. Yeah, that's a band called French cassettes. Not a good thing to do with your cassette, by the way. They have a new album coming out this June.
Starting point is 00:53:00 It's called Benzine, and that's the first single. It's called White Noise. White Noise. Benzine on the periodic table of elements, I think. It's a noble gas. I have no idea. Most gases. I don't think benzene is it.
Starting point is 00:53:17 Is it not a noble gas? I don't know. I don't even think it's an element. Is there an element called benzene? I only do noble gases. I can't explain. Hey, look what we got. I prefer my gas as noble.
Starting point is 00:53:29 Thank you very much. Yeah, only noble gas is out of my body. Thank you. Here's another Minnesota tradition that's not so. easy to throw in the garbage. Oh, look who it is. It's Wendy from Minnesota. I got that off an episode of King of the Hill.
Starting point is 00:53:44 She was talking about Lutophisk and, uh, or yeah, in fact, here's, I'll play that one for you here. I've prepared a little taste of Minnesota called Lutifisk. That's a fun one. That's supposedly some, that's some famous actress, but I don't know who it is. I can't tell you who that was. Somebody cool, um, P.S. If you ever come to the Minneapolis airport, there will be an announcement about your
Starting point is 00:54:05 baggage and do not leave it unattended to and it is the greatest announcement you'll ever hear. I want to hear it. What is it? What is it? Easily an 85 year old man. It's like definitely an old guy voice and the thickest Minnesota accent. So how you you always know it's Minnesota is they pronounce words with AG like flag and bag. They say big and flag. Okay, good. Yep. You imagine this announcement that uses that we're big or big age 80 times. Really? It is so amazing. So it's like make sure your big has been with you the whole time now.
Starting point is 00:54:45 Make sure you're big. And it's the guy is so old. It sounds like your grandpa telling you like, don't leave your bags in the hall. It's so funny. If someone asks you to carry some loot fix, lootfis in your bag, you don't know them. Don't let them.
Starting point is 00:55:00 Yeah. Don't do it. That's great. I need to hear that. That's amazing. I love it. I feel like Fargo has really put the accent on the map. Would you guys agree?
Starting point is 00:55:10 I agree. Yeah. To me, it's like, it's like what Paul Hogan did for the Australian accent, the 80s. Just brought it to us. This is amazing. Yeah, totally. It makes me crack up.
Starting point is 00:55:23 And sometimes I think I'm being punked right now. Sometimes the way people are speaking, like this can't be real. Yeah. Have you guys watched that whole series, by the way, the Fargo series? You should. I have not. Oh, you should. I know he's not asking me because he knows I have.
Starting point is 00:55:37 Yeah, I know. Oh, you have. I have not. We haven't even watched one. I know we should. You really should. You really should. You've seen the movie, though.
Starting point is 00:55:44 You've seen the movie, right? I know. You haven't seen the movie? Oh, my gosh. Listen, guys, I've only seen the part where they put the wood chipper, the person in the wood chipper. That's the only thing I've seen. The person. It feels like, how do we do this, Scott?
Starting point is 00:56:01 How do we intervene? How do we intervene? And like make her, like watch with her the entirety of the Fargo movie and all in every series, every season. I mean, we've never done a Therapy Thursday on interventions. Maybe this is our chance, you know? Yeah, you guys intervene that I haven't seen Fargo. Yeah, you're missing out. Best show on TV.
Starting point is 00:56:21 All right. And one of the greatest films ever made. I'm going to now dive right into the Therapy Thursday. So it turns out my sister here, Wendy, who is an actual therapist, helps real people all the time with real problems, is here today to. answer this question. And we got an anonymous listener who sent in the following. It says, Hey guys. I'm going to turn this down. There we go. Hey guys. I have a topic for Wendy to talk about, which might be something many people may need to deal with. I will explain. I'm Jewish and one of my best friends of 40 plus years is half Pakistani. Or is it Pakistani? I don't know. Obviously,
Starting point is 00:56:56 we know of the war going on with Israel, the terrorism from Hamas, the destruction of Gaza, etc. I rarely share anything political-ish on social media, and neither does he. But lately, he has been sharing a lot about the Palestine stuff, some of which I do not fully agree with, and some of which is straight up misinformation. He's gotten pulled into an emotional roller coaster with conspiracy theories about things on that front. I don't think we've ever, sorry, I don't think we've really ever spoken about this issue on the whole before, but he's never been so active in his outwardness about it.
Starting point is 00:57:30 some of it is very disheartening. We see each other often, virtually at least. We play D&D online every week and in person a couple of times a year. So what I want to know is this. How do I deal with a different set of beliefs from someone you have a good close relationship with? I realize this might be similar to regular political beliefs we've seen ramp up in the Trump era. But when you sit close together in beliefs in many other things, except for one very specific thing, it feels different. Perhaps this is a good topic heading into the holidays.
Starting point is 00:57:59 this is a little bit of an older email. Overall, as people see family and friends who they may not see eye to eye with on issues, including this one, thanks guys. I think it's a great email and timely. The conflict that was happening right before the holidays is still happening.
Starting point is 00:58:16 Probably never stopped happening, but the one... And, you know, with election season coming up soon, we're going to have a similar thing with that's, you know, not about the Israel-Palestinian nothing going on, the conflict. can be about, you know, being red and blue and all that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:33 So what do you do, Wendy, when you've got a friend who is pretty much just like you in almost every way up and down, but they got this one little thing, this little crack in the cement that's just throwing you. What do you do? Well, let's first talk about why having so much in common makes somebody a friend, right? So we already have half Palestinian, half Jewish. so I don't I can't tell if they're both American or some other they live somewhere else I assume they're not living there as would be my guess sure so you have maybe some shared
Starting point is 00:59:10 we both don't live in our homelands or whatever so there could be some connection that way it'd be interesting to know how they know each other specifically but let's just talk about that general premise for a moment why do we like to be around people who are like us what do you go sick. Oh. Um, to, uh, kind of reinforce, make us feel like we're, we're, support us in the things that we believe. You know, we like to have that, that sounding board. We like people of a common frame of mind, not just about, the way they feel about certain topics, but also, um, their, their level of anger or joy at those certain things. I assume it's very, uh, tribal like you're in my camp you you and i are the same yeah or something like that that sound right
Starting point is 01:00:02 yeah so yeah so it's very it's very bonding so let's just talk i just want to talk about the biochemical response to someone like me because the truth is when you're with someone is really too much like you you usually don't like each other have you ever noticed that yeah i have like you both play the same role and you're competing for being the jokester or you're both competing for being the nice one or whatever, you know, like when you're a little too alike, or sometimes in families you'll see that, like you'll get along better with one parent over the other because the one parent's too much like you and the other parent is the opposite and you like that, you know? So sometimes there's that, that actual dynamic when you're too
Starting point is 01:00:45 similar to someone as you can, it can be tricky. But usually what it is, it's both similar and complimentary, and there's something that happens in us. And you're right, Scott, it's pretty tribal in terms of what it, what it's for, why we need it and how it gets created. But let's just take it from a biological level. When I say, okay, you guys fill in the fandom, okay? So when I say, I'm really into, like, Star Wars. Star Wars, I'm really into Star Wars.
Starting point is 01:01:16 And somebody else says, Star Trek's better. Yeah. Or they say, I don't even like Star Trek and you're like, I said Star Wars, whatever. They're the same thing, aren't they? So what happens to you viscerally? It's like this works for you too. You like Star Wars. Sure.
Starting point is 01:01:35 And I'm like, you know what? Star Wars is just ripping off the hero's journey. And it's so true. Ridiculous. Yeah. Like you're lame for liking that. It's just the Akira Kurosawa film and they just modern. as you put sci-fi elements on it.
Starting point is 01:01:54 Okay, so how does it make you feel? What happens to your body? Oh, geez. The first, I mean, initially, we've, I think Scott and I both had grown thick skin because of this that we just know. There's, there's things that we really like the people in our, in the community won't like or don't like, and that's completely fine. But probably the first time, it was like a, oh, how can you not like that?
Starting point is 01:02:13 Oh, I don't know. I don't know if I trust your judgment at all now if you can't, if you don't like this thing that we all seem to like. Yes. Okay. So that's actually really helpful. We're going to point. I'm going to dig into that for a second. And Scott, I want to hear. Would you like some names, by the way? I actually kept a list that all the people that are wrong. The people who said this. Definitely go. But that, that, I don't know if I can trust your judgment. Okay. So this. So what we need biologically is to trust the people around us that make decisions that affect us. Right. And so that is starts number one with your primary caregivers. I need to trust. that they'll come when I cry and I need to trust that I'm not going to die if they're holding me. They're not going to drop me. Like you, you begin to bond and are safe with those who can meet your needs. That's why when a young child is not getting those needs met, they will do a lot
Starting point is 01:03:07 of things in order to get those needs met, which will be not be their actual self. Maybe cry more and louder, maybe not cry at all. Like a child will start to adjust to get those needs met versus is a child who just gets those needs met. Well, you learn, oh, I'm safe, I'm safe, I'm safe, I'm loved. And then when there's breaches in those things, like someone makes a mistake, we need to repair, you know. So you could just take it from that very early developmental biological requirement. And then we just keep living our lives. And then you find a friend who loves Star Wars with you. And it's a form of, I see you, I understand you. And I don't have to explain myself. I'm just getting a basic need met in terms of that I am safe with you.
Starting point is 01:03:55 Yeah. Right. So think about that. How deep that really is when somebody says, oh, I love anime too. And you're like, yeah. And then you can just start to talk about those things. It's a language you share. It's like meeting someone who you are related to as a long-loss cousin or something because we speak the same language. We connect in the same way, which means from a tribal perspective, you're safe because you understand my language, right? If we think of why someone, a stranger showing up in a village back in the day who look different, talk different, eight different, spoke a different language and behave differently, they were a serious threat. Because we don't know what any of that means. Literally, we don't know what they're saying, right? Right. So when we can
Starting point is 01:04:42 connect on these very, I'm using fandom because it's, It's a great, like, lovely example before I get to the actual tribalism and historical stuff. But so we have this, oh, you're automatically safe. So for whatever this, these two friends have had for 40 years together, it was safety connection, bonding, clicking on certain things. I mean, they see each other physically a couple times a year. They're online playing together. So D&D sounds like a place where they just found their common links. and connection, right? So it feels crappy to not have that and you kind of distrust the thing,
Starting point is 01:05:23 but then it feels really good to have it. So Scott, let me go back to you. What does it feel like to you when somebody thinks something your really love is stupid or they don't get it or like me not watching Fargo? How about that? How's that feel? Well, not quite as bad or not quite as I don't have as much of a visceral reaction as if you said I hate Fargo. Like if you said that, right i'd go oh my gosh why you and i have a lot in common i i feel like we have similar tastes i think you would probably enjoy it and it would be it would be dis uh what's the word i'd be disconcerting that that you are so far off on a thing that i would have had some presumption that we had a we had a common in common yeah you've got exactly because you feel
Starting point is 01:06:07 like you've got everything else in common having this is like feels like wait a minute how how can we like all of these other things and you don't like this one thing that that I really like a lot. Yes. And that is another really great point, which is, I don't know if I know you. So we have a trust factor and we have a, I thought I knew you, maybe I don't know you. And that, again, leads back to safety. You know, when we think we know stuff.
Starting point is 01:06:35 Our brain does a lot of shortcuts just to save energy. And so if you like this, it's like when you meet someone who's like dressed a certain way, talks a certain way and then you find out they they don't match that maybe they're they look like a hippie but they're like a mega you know i love banks and corporate america and you're like what and now welcome stephen to the show whoa sorry that played randomly and i did not tell it to sorry welcome stephen to the show he's not here i promise he isn't here go ahead uh hey stephen uh he's a hippie who loves banking that's right but just that idea of like it doesn't matter match all the assumptions you make and put together because our brain has short cut a person.
Starting point is 01:07:23 This is stereotyping. This is why we profile. This is why we do is our brains. So like make this quick. All right. They look that way. That's what they are. This is what they do.
Starting point is 01:07:31 This is what they think. And so when we have someone who breaks those molds, they're delight in that because it meets enough, pings enough of the things we like about them. Or maybe it really bugs us. Like, why aren't you consistent? Why don't you hate the thing I hate? Because you also hate this other thing I hate or whatever, right? Right.
Starting point is 01:07:49 So that, I mean, from a fundamental level, we all have our, who we feel safe with, what indications the person gives that they're safe. Like, a wild animal is another good example. Like, how do you know that dog's not going to bite you? Well, there's a couple of things it does with its body that show you that. And so safety is kind of our brain's first job. Keep us safe. So it also shorts cuts to save energy. So then what we end up having is these people that though we can have a 40 year
Starting point is 01:08:24 friendship, suddenly we're like, wait a minute, oops, I don't know. I don't know if I'd like that their opinion is different from mine and, you know, et cetera, et cetera. So here's the thing. Let's take what, and of course we can't directly ask them, but you think you know someone you even have that phrase right we think you know someone well nobody knows everybody you don't know any you don't know everything about everything about everybody yeah right exactly right and so the the fact that there's other ways someone might be thinking or changing and this is a
Starting point is 01:09:01 big one that i i thought of when i was reading this email of just how people change based on the influences around them so you know i've got a bunch of good friends that i've known since we were 11 14 and we are old now and the way we have all changed. We like to joke if we met today. We're not sure we'd be friends because we're really different. And our spouses have had big influences on the directions we lean and the things we're into. And, you know, we change over time. So 40 years is a really long time for someone to change and not all the change is going to be played out in a D&D game, right?
Starting point is 01:09:41 You get to see. like if you're your co-worker at work you think you know them but guess what let's let's go over to their house at midnight maybe it's a different person you know so there's those factors all playing out here now we throw in this massive international event that is terrible and so divided has been divided for so long anyone new to this game and and i'm not even speaking about someone who's jewish and someone who's Palestinian like they are clearly have way more skin in the game than the vast majority of people who deeply care about this. Everyone's jumping in with their opinions, with their thoughts, with the news that is
Starting point is 01:10:20 being they are partaking of and the news they are ignoring, right? Or they are assuming is conspiracy or they are assuming is false or vice versa, right? So it is almost unknowable in some ways what is actually happening, but everyone believes they know what's happening. I think that's one of the trickiest things is that we're all so informed in certain ways and then it's really hard to tell how we're not informed. And we really believe that we got it, right?
Starting point is 01:10:53 And so I hear this and I think if we got an email from the other guy, we might be hearing the exact same thing, which is like my Jewish friend is unwilling to see what's happening, right? Yeah. Et cetera, et cetera. So you could just flip the script, put the name, this is probably going to be true of any family where there are two people involved and there's discord or take a divorce. You take a relationship ending and just the things people say to
Starting point is 01:11:23 themselves in order to manage all of that deep pain and the things they start to do and how they behave. I mean, it's really tricky. And so this is a big, big one. And then your friendship of 40 years is now interacting with this massive thing. Now, I would be really interested, like how did they interact about this before, right? So before October, what was there conversations about Palestinian situation and Israeli politics and like,
Starting point is 01:11:58 how were they interacting about it before? Because that may be a clue to why this is happening or maybe it was just we never talked about it and that was our friendship is based on D&D and hanging out. on the beach once a summer or something, you know? Hard to know. It's interesting because you have to think that prior to this escalation in that conflict,
Starting point is 01:12:20 I mean, whatever, the history is littered with these escalations in that conflict. So it's not like this is anything new. But prior to this, it's a lot of historical data, right? Or a lot of sort of it's happening, it's tense, but we're not really thinking about it because we're busy over here playing D&D or whatever. And then suddenly there's this moment of, whoa. and you can't help but notice, right? You have to pay attention again.
Starting point is 01:12:42 And then suddenly one of you is getting information maybe from very specific sources and somebody else is getting it from another source and they conflict. And now, now out kind of out of nowhere, there's this divide that must be really hard for them, you know, or hard to, hard for this person because it wasn't there before as best you knew. Maybe it was always there. It was all just ready to spring into action, but, you know, it took a, took a terrorist attack. and a very heavy response to do it. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:13:12 It's weird. And everyone is an expert, and this is really difficult. I was getting my hair done and my hairdresser, who I love deeply, is not educated in any sort of a form of international diplomacy, says to me, what do you think about this? I'm like, what do you think about? What? We're having, first of all, neither of us have any ideas, right? We're, you know, I have, I have, I lived in Israel and I lived in Jerusalem and I took Arabic and I took Hebrew and I traveled a bit. And I had my own personal, I had some personal experiences with Israelis and Palestinians and have, you know, and all that taught me is I know less than I ever should to open my mouth.
Starting point is 01:13:58 Right. Like, and she has zero. She just sees what she's being presented. And I think that's another point. Yeah, social media or whatever, yeah. Right. And that's another big point. Who knows what everyone's seeing.
Starting point is 01:14:11 And unless someone has curated all their feeds to get both sides, to get deep dives into the experiences, and then they're following, you know, they're studying the politics of everything. And they don't, the level you would have to be at to really have any kind of expertise here is, it's wild, right? But we all feel like we're experts because we watched a thing that moved us.
Starting point is 01:14:35 or that was believable because I already see, I'm already inclined to think these are the bad guys, or I'm already inclined to think these guys are the victims. And so the biases will continue to just move you in the direction you're already headed usually, right? It takes a lot usually for someone to switch completely, but often it requires them to be emotionally moved. And this is where I think we all fail to understand the power of friendship.
Starting point is 01:15:05 is actually the problem that or the solution to so many things. Like the stuff that does connect us and already keeps us interacting and communicating is bigger than this other stuff. The problem is we don't let it be bigger. What we do is we let the new information or the social media be bigger or whatever it is and we don't do the work of communicating with our friend. So I appreciate the email because what he's saying is, I what do I I don't know right and the answer is not send him information to change his mind that is not the answer I know it feels deeply like the answer it literally won't work it won't work yeah yeah you can try but it won't work you need put a sign in your yard and that'll change his mind
Starting point is 01:15:55 100 all are welcome here or whatever you got to do yes totally and and like if we were all called on our stuff like I don't know if you ever saw the onion This is what I love about the onion, but the onion sign, it has, you know, all are welcome here sign in a neighborhood where this, the least expensive house is $5 million. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, go to the door, knock on the door and ask is all, are all actually welcome and force their hand. Like, no one's going to, you can't do it. Because that's not what, what anyone is actually doing. They are, they're, they're, they're feeling lots of feelings. They're watching lots of stuff. And they are trying to do something. And I believe they want it to be true.
Starting point is 01:16:34 They want to say that all are welcome here, but yeah, right. But it's a little harder in action. And so when you take your tribe, they are both already in their tribes. They both identify as their tribe. And so we are already starting on a very, very split ground. And the cool thing is they've been friends for 40 years, right? The miracle has already happened, right? The connection is already there.
Starting point is 01:16:58 That goes so much deeper. I just don't think we maybe honor that enough or keep it that safe. enough. So here's what I would suggest is, and this is maybe, and you guys can tell me if you've done something different from this, but I think muting a lot of what you are taking in that makes you sort of really get frustrated with people that you love and care about. So you are not following them on Facebook to find out all of their rants about this or that, right? Because it's real, right? When I know very normal, smart, intelligent, lovely, kind people who are fans of some really disgusting things, I have really struggled to trust
Starting point is 01:17:41 them. And I really struggled to want to be around them. It makes you not want to hear their non, like, it makes you want to hear, not want to hear their non-controversial statements. It's like, no, I don't want to hear. I don't want to hear anything from you if this is how you feel. Yeah. Yeah. This will make me feel like, oh, no, you like grill cheese sandwiches? Crap. You like grilled cheese sandwiches and genocide. Now I feel like I can't like grilled cheese sandwiches. Totally. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:07 And now I don't want to talk about girl cheese sandwiches because they're scary. No, but yeah, you're totally right. And how do you, how do you, because here's the thing, maybe there's some taking stock you got to do. Like, what do you care about here? Do you care about, you know, salvaging a relationship that's lasted 40 years? Do you care about having moving beyond? because right now we're in the moment of some things, right?
Starting point is 01:18:35 And they two shall pass and another horrible thing will occur and et cetera, et cetera. I mean, maybe for them it goes much deeper because it's their identity. But there is always going to be another thing that can come along and make everyone freak out. Like that's just what we've learned. And so stopping and taking stock, what do I really care about? And what do I want here? Because I either need to share some things with. this person and is at the core of that, my friendship and my care, then I'm going to communicate
Starting point is 01:19:08 really differently than I need to share some things because this person is wrong. And so we're all getting defensive. We're all got our hackles up. And then if we behave from that place, we're going to elicit other people's hackles up. That's just how it works. That's why online communication can be so challenging is that people will read it from whatever place they're hearing it, You know? And so it's really typical to do that. So what's nice about this story, this is not, hey, on Thanksgiving, I got to go hang out with my family. I haven't talked to them for a year and how am I going to do this? This is, we are in regular communication. And so can you take it offline? Can you talk about, you know, you got to ask yourself what you want out of this? Do you want to convince them that they're wrong? Is that what you're trying to do? And if that's the case, then there's a consequence to try to convince someone they're wrong. Yeah. Right? Is it that you want to stay feeling safe and connected, then maybe you can communicate. Maybe you mute so you don't see all the stuff that they're doing and you just play D&D. Sometimes it's hard to just pretend that other stuff isn't bothering you.
Starting point is 01:20:13 And so you do need to communicate with them. Is this even like a thing with like marriages probably have some of this pop up sometimes, right? Where you're sitting around on the couch, you're watching your Friday night TV and you're and you say, Oh, the sun sure was nice today. And then your wife says, yeah, I'd sure like to wipe out all the Jews or something. You know what I mean? I would hope that if you've married someone, you've figured out at least a lot of those knife edges that are sticking out of. Yeah, you'd hope so.
Starting point is 01:20:47 But I mean, it's less obvious, but maybe a subtle thing. Sure. But don't you think. Right. Yeah. That could happen, right? That seems really, that seems really hard because then what are you going to do? you're going to be like, oh, I thought I knew this person.
Starting point is 01:21:01 Like, it's almost, this feels as close to that as you're going to get. When it's a close friend, it's as close as you are to my dumb scenario. And it seems bad. Anyway, sorry, I interrupted your. Right, right. And so if you take it from a marriage or any close relationship, if you want that relationship to continue, you got to figure out how we navigate that we have this difference. And can we influence each other?
Starting point is 01:21:25 Is there somewhere in the middle? is there a hey let me share how I'm feeling how are you feeling this is a safe place to do that this takes a lot of skill most of us are not good at so the thing I was thinking and would want to introduce I think I talked about this I mean probably five years ago maybe maybe way before yeah okay everyone's forgotten so this is perfect nobody knows okay is the concept uh and it's a book called let's see it's called
Starting point is 01:21:55 nonviolent communication by Marshall Rosenberg and it is there's you can go online CNVC.org I think is the website
Starting point is 01:22:06 but essentially it's all about being able to communicate and transform how we speak to ourselves and to other people it's just a
Starting point is 01:22:17 helpful universally accepted diplomatic lovely version of, like, being able to communicate better. And they've tried these initiatives all over the world. Like, I just looked up. You can go to China, Morocco, or Taiwan in the next, you know, this coming year. And there's trainings and there's certified trainings and certification.
Starting point is 01:22:40 Like, they've made a whole thing out of it. And it really starts from this core of communicating so that you are both heard and you are hearing and seeing the other person. it's it's it's impressive so it's the thing i found that i'm like you know at the most minimum just read the book how about that let's just start with non-fileant communication marshal rosenberg his life's work's pretty impressive let's start that because it is so tricky and so before you because i think most of us go in um into a conversation like we would any conversation uh that's sort of just like hey i'm feeling this or that's stupid or, you know, it's, whatever the feeling we're having, we're coming in with that
Starting point is 01:23:26 energy. And this is something we know from marriage counseling. How you start the conversation is 99% of the time how that conversation will end. Right. So think about that for a minute. If I come in angry and defensive, it's going to end angry and defensive. It's never going to, yeah, it's never going to get peaceful and like, oh, you know, good point. You're right. And no one has ever run out of hope that they're magically going to get someone to agree with them. I don't know where we get our ever present. Like, I'll convince them with this clip I found on YouTube. Like, it's pretty wild as humans that we believe we're going to convince someone else with because that thing moved us. That thing made sense to us. And, you know, if you sent an article to someone just like, hey, we were discussing
Starting point is 01:24:12 this. What do you think of this? And they're like, yeah, that source is liberal. So I'm not going to read it. You're like, okay. And then they're like, well, here's my source. And then they sent you something super conservative. And you're like, yeah, but that's Braybart. I'm not reading that. You know? And so where do we have the common language?
Starting point is 01:24:30 We don't have a common article that then we both read and go, well, good points on both sides. Let's discuss, you know? And so it's a skill. And it is a different way of addressing things. And maybe your family talks in these ways. and you've got a lot of practice as a kid, and you're good at it. Maybe you're a professional diplomat, but most of us are not. Most of us need to develop this skill.
Starting point is 01:24:55 And so I look at this story and I just think, okay, 40 years of friendship is 100% worth. And it feels like a little microcosm of like, if you guys can do it, maybe there's hope, right? Like, is that worth saving? And what is it worth in terms of reconciling? Maybe I don't understand my friend in a hundred, 100% of ways. And also, we can have that feeling like, I'm losing them, right? I'm losing them. They're going more extreme or they're thinking these different things. And when that happens, if you could come with care and like, are you okay? And I'm worried that you're drowning in.
Starting point is 01:25:34 I mean, you can feel this way about someone who's just into TikTok recipes. Like, are you okay? Do I need to rescue you? Because they're so involved and like losing, you're losing connection. to them. You can check on your friend. Yeah. Like if your sister's never, if your sister's never seen one of the greatest movies or series ever made, for example. I mean, she does love the Cohen brothers. And so she can't appreciate that it. She does. Yeah. She doesn't have time. It doesn't make sense, honestly. If you ask a few questions, you know, I just don't have time.
Starting point is 01:26:07 All right. Listen, I get it. We get attached to our shows so much and that we want to see everyone to see them. It kind of turns into this kind of parasitic relationship that we have with the things that we like that we want other people to see that they don't get around to finally sing. So I totally get it, Wendy. Yeah, Brian understands more than anybody. There's almost like, like, like, parasitic is a great way of describing it. Brian. It's almost like a, it's almost like a parasite inside of you. Yeah. Oh, let's literally hammer home the joke. Yeah. Let's take it out there. Well, anyway, I have seen and can't get out of my head. So I would wish I hadn't seen it. You wish you hadn't seen parasite? It took me for
Starting point is 01:26:45 ever to see it. You probably don't know about the long-running joke here on the show, but it took me years to see it. And I finally saw it. And I liked it. It took me since I saw it the first time in the theater and finally, you know, trying to get scared to see it. And then somebody else recommends it to him and he sees it based on their recommendation.
Starting point is 01:27:05 That would be Adam's whole life story right there, Brian, is that he'll tell me to do something and I won't do it until someone else tells me to. Yeah, yeah. so maybe maybe i'll say hey i'm going to watch fargo and he'll be like i've been telling you we should watch there you go yeah see if he's been telling you that for a while yes okay well just final thoughts for the the emailer of just like i would really want to encourage them to consider the the cost benefit of what's going on and to recognize like your own internal stuff And that's what nonviolent communication really is often about
Starting point is 01:27:44 is figuring out your own stuff here. And so recognizing your own stuff, looking in the mirror first can be hard. And, you know, because of course we want what we want and we're sometimes being reactive for various reasons. And there is very good reason as a Jewish person to be nervous, 100%. And so recognizing some of that fear
Starting point is 01:28:09 or recognizing your own stuff and then really being clear about what you, that you care about this person and what you want to do here and thinking this through because we are tempted. All of us are tempted to be right.
Starting point is 01:28:23 Especially if you grew up in homes where being right was the way to protect you or your safest route. Like, who did this? And you're like, well, I don't know. Who did that? And I mean, that happens in families. That happens growing up.
Starting point is 01:28:37 That happens with teachers or whatever, right? So maybe checking in with like, why do I need to be right and or is there, is there something else going on? And sometimes it might just feel like a friend moving away and distance between you. And can you talk about that? Maybe it's just showing up in these other ways. And so there can be so many variations on this. So I just really want to encourage them to look inward, figure out what's maybe going on for
Starting point is 01:29:04 them and to acknowledge with some compassion that this is hard and it's hard for both of you. It's hard for everyone involved. Even my dang hairdresser doesn't know what to do. You know, like it, it's and, and where the world's so small because of the internet. And yet, it's just so complex. So like, you also have no, like the other thing I was, this always, this always sting, uh, rings true to me is that you have, you may have this common thing that you're both feel like is, is making the world smaller and it's all, you know, everyone has a voice about it and whatever, but you just realize you have very little control over it. You, you, you never really do and so understanding that is really tons of control over is your friendship that's it
Starting point is 01:29:44 like you have 50% control over that thing and that is that is a that's the gift right and so focusing on that and then and then all of us need more skills we really do like if I said to everyone listening right on a piece of paper on a real piece of paper the last thing you posted on the internet that you probably shouldn't have. Let's see. That you, that, that you had no business or right to have an opinion about, most of the way, I have a right to my opinion about everything. Yeah, yeah. But like, truly, like, that you maybe just wrote too fast or you regret, I mean, that's the kind of point.
Starting point is 01:30:29 You regret writing it. And then ask yourself, like, well, what, why do I regret it? And if, if we just follow things. through what i mean do you guys have something you can share what you don't have to share the thing but what do you regret about doing this august eighth 2014 i said you know i think we're all a little too hard on hudson hawk wow you know that must haunt you every day as it hasn't aged well yeah yeah um i don't i i can't think you i do tend to avoid i i i don't know i tend to avoid putting stuff like that out there because i feel like there's always going to be somebody
Starting point is 01:31:06 who knows a lot more about it than I do. And it's kind of like the better to keep your mouth shut and not prove you're an idiot than to open your mouth and not leave any doubt or something like that, whatever the phrase is. I know I've got the, I'm really messing up the phrase, but whatever that is, yeah. Yeah. I can't think about it. And Brian, you're so mature. Maybe you're not a good example.
Starting point is 01:31:35 I'm a bad example because I'm so mature, yes. Totally. We're riding on someone's Facebook wall, engaging in an argument that is not ours to be had or some version of just, I am riled up and I'm so mad that this thing is happening. 99% of the time you're mad because, A, it's contradicting a thing you already believe and or it's someone being stupid and you think you can tell them, and or it threatens some sense of sanity or security. So I've been having this discussion with some friends about how are you managing news as the election is coming. And it's fascinating, the varying responses.
Starting point is 01:32:16 And some are just like, I, my head's totally in the sand. I am only watching DIY tutorials on my bathroom floor. And then others. Yeah. Others are really digging in. And every last thing they're, you know, absorbing. But I think most people are pretty burned out on. the doom scrolling behaviors and so and then feeling guilty that they're not paying attention or
Starting point is 01:32:41 you know is the whole world going to fall apart because i'm not doing my job and i mean everyone's struggling let's just say that um and it's i don't stop watching uh real housewives of mara lago just for that reason it's it's horrendous i can't can't watch it anymore oh my gosh no anyway so yeah like what so i would suggest to anyone it's just i don't know take a minute figure out like ask yourself what am i doing this for and like really listen doing this for and nine times out of 10 some of our behaviors that are we're we're picking fights with strangers or we're engaging in things that are not serving us is it's we're getting adrenaline we're getting dopamine we're feeling valuable we're we're getting something out of it but
Starting point is 01:33:28 we're also really depleting maybe some stuff in our real life we need to be doing or the friendships at the core that matter or relationships, it's just, it's a challenge. And it's why most of us are more lonely than we've ever been. I mean, I'm jumping to a whole other ship on that one. But anyway, so read nonviolent communication. Just, that's my advice. It's only 10 bucks on Amazon. You can get it. It's like old. It's good. I think there's a new copy, like a third edition or something. Yeah, I think this is the third. Updated for the social media era. probably yeah it's a mess yeah it looks really well i mean this is like it's the most unanimous ratings i've ever seen in my life so uh maybe this is one to grab but there's only one one star
Starting point is 01:34:14 review and they probably say it's like i wanted more violent communication yeah i want to talk more violently in fact i'll do it right now and this guy's name is rosenberg well anyway windy uh this has been uh enlightening as always it is and uh we look forward to doing this uh again next time Anything else going on that you want to talk about yet? Still some stuff brewing over there, I know. Just brewing. And that's all I will say, brewing.
Starting point is 01:34:39 Brewing. Let it brew. This is why I'm time to watch Fargo. That's right. That's right. Let it brew. Let it cook. When it's done, you'll know.
Starting point is 01:34:48 Start with the movie. There's so much more than the Woodchipper. And don't feel like it's got to be all consumed at once. They're all different stories. So you can piece me a way. It's such a cool idea. I did know that. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:35:00 Yeah. It's all very, very cool that way. And I think Brian's right. Start with the movie. Let that settle. Move on to the next thing. Life will be better, I promise. All right. Have a good one. We'll see you next time. Bye. All right. We did it. We pulled it off once again with Wendy. And that means it's time to pull this off. That is to tell you find folks all the different programming options you have throughout the rest of this weekend. For example, today at noon, coverville at twitch.tv slash coverville. Check it out. Tonight, core at 5 p.m. I think John's internet's worked out, but for sure, Bo and I'll be there. John's still sort of recovering from a move, and it's, you know how that is. Big old pain in the ass. But we think we'll all be there. We're not sure.
Starting point is 01:35:44 But anyway, be there. Core 5 p.m. tonight. Lots of stuff talked about with G.E.C. week going on and all that stuff. Also, guess the connection at 9 a.m. tomorrow, I assume. I put this in here, assuming it. 9 a.m. got some more new prizes to give away. I think people did figure out last week's connection. So there will be new prizes, a prize package going out and new prizes going up for the next week.
Starting point is 01:36:07 Nice. Trying to find, I've got my idea for the next six songs. I'm really, I'm trying to find songs to fill out because I've got two or three that are like, oh, these are perfect. It's tough finding the other three. So I got to do some, got to do some searching around for a little bit of digging, never hurt nobody, right? Yep, never hurt nobody. We're also going to do couch party tomorrow. We're watching something called Grabbers.
Starting point is 01:36:29 Grabbers, yes, in honor of St. Patrick's Day. That's right. A little Irish film. So that feels like it's too silly for film sack, I think, is the way we heard about it. So, yeah, that'll be tomorrow. 90 minutes long. Come watch it live with us if you are a patron of the show. And also, we will post both video and audio after if you can't be here live.
Starting point is 01:36:52 Anyway, that's the thing that we're doing. And also at 1.30, System Shock coverage for Play, With me and Brian Dunaway, do check that out. And, of course, film sack this weekend is happening with Cowboys and Aliens. Woo! Fun stuff. And let's see, a Millennium Falcon build at some point this afternoon, live on YouTube. YouTube.com slash Coverville.
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Starting point is 01:37:31 My favorite thing he ever did on SNL. For sure. That's it for the show. We're done. If you want to find any links to everything else, we're over there at frogpans.com slash TMS. We'll now leave you with a song. Brian, take it away. Sweet. Yes, I've got a song going out to John. Hi, all. This is John from Oregon.
Starting point is 01:37:50 TMS, Coverville, and Core Patron. Third-time texter, first-time requester. I'm turning 55 on Mark. March 12th. Yep, that's, I'm still catching up nine days ago. And would like to request a song. I'd love to hear a cover of The Replacements, unless that cover is metal, skiffle or God forbid postmodern jukebox. I'm just, I'm going to pretend, well, let me get my book out, nonviolent, nonviolent communication. Okay, all right, okay. I'm past it. Thank you, Wendy. Good timing for that segment. I'd also like to know where Love the show, though, came from. I've been listening since around 2015 and like, seriously, wanted to know. did another mean yeah uh it's an old email right was an ancient email that we got no no it was oh right love the show there was an email that's right i can see why you like it came from the uh one of our video challenges yeah yeah somebody sent an email and they closed it with love the show though which is like the most backhanded compliment because there was nothing before that that implied
Starting point is 01:38:49 they didn't love the show but just the fact that they signed off with that was enough for us to go oh Why wouldn't they love the show? Yeah, and it really, really stuck. So it was hard to get rid of. And now we just accept it as the most common meme we have around here. That's right. Exactly. It's good stuff.
Starting point is 01:39:07 It's good stuff. Let's get to your request, John from Oregon. This is Katie Goodman and Greta Morgan from an album called Take It. It's Yours. Love it. This is a cover of the song by the Replacements, Bastards of Young. And guess what? It's not metal.
Starting point is 01:39:22 It's not skiffle. And it's not postmodern jukeful. and it's not postmodern jukebox enjoy it aster's of young all right that'll do it for us we'll see you guys on monday bye miss the whole first run dreams unfulfilled graduate on skills it beats picking cotton or waiting to be forgotten
Starting point is 01:40:09 we are the sons of no one bastards of young we are the sons of no one The daughters in the sons The daughters in the sons The daughters in the sons The ones who love us best Are the ones who lay to rest
Starting point is 01:40:45 And visit their graves on holidays at best the ones who love us least are the ones we die to please if it's any consolation I don't understand we are the sons of no one bastards of young we are the sons of no one
Starting point is 01:41:17 bastards of young The daughter's in the sun The daughters in the sun The daughters in the sun Unwillingness to claim us, God no warn to name us. We are the sons of no one, bastards of young. We are the sons of no one
Starting point is 01:42:23 Bastards of Young The daughter's in the sons The daughters in the sons The daughters in the sons The daughters in the sons in this story.

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