The Morning Stream - TMS 2669: Bees Louise

Episode Date: July 2, 2024

Eyeball Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees! Goth Elvis Impersonator. Hey ChatGPT write me a Rant about whether AI Prompters are Artists. Soaking the nub. Forbidden Bologna. Human flesh Chia pet. There Are Fore Skins. Marrying All The Kids. Box of Ron Jeremys please. Skid Squin. Greased up Tongans. He didnât spend 6 years at Echo medical school to be called doctor. Shemmys and Shgrammies. Meat is murgher. Moisturizing the Roomba with Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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He didn't spend six years at Echo Medical School to be called doctor. Shemmies and Scramies. Meat is murder. Moisturizing the Rumba with Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. I knew Tamia. He was a guy who could drink a six-pack of rubbing alcohol and not even feel woozy. Poor dumb slob. He didn't even have the chance to tie one on before he bought the farm.

Oh, rise now. It's finished. The morning stream. We're not toys. We're action figures. Good morning. Good morning. Welcome to TMS. It's the morning stream. It's Tuesday, July 2nd.

2024. Scott Johnson here. Brian Abbott there. Hello. Hello. Hello, Scott Johnson. Hello. Welcome to the second day of July and the official midpoint of the year 2024. That's right. If you're looking at days, then today's the midpoint. Today's the day. So whatever your first half look like, maybe your second half will look better. Whoever out there is listening, you know? Yeah. I hope you had a, you know, decent July 1st. And I hope you're all looking forward if you're here in the States to a little stupid firework business this week. Exactly. You know, it's funny this year is the first time I've heard about actually publicizing drone shows. I mean, I've seen drone shows. I've seen, you know, drones flying around and formation and lighting up and making shapes and words and stuff like that. But they're actually saying on the news like, hey, we're, you know, we're not doing any fireworks in these cities because of dry weather and crispy grass and all that sort of thing. But we're doing, we're having a drone show and Golden, come see the drone show. You're going to do that?

You're going to go try to check one out? Nope. I think we're going to go see a quiet place, and then we're going to go to a friend's house for their Fourth of July shenanigans. The word on the street is that movie's way good. I hope so, yeah. Heard real good things about it.

Prequels don't always get the best rap, but the reviews so far are pretty strong for the quiet place. That's awesome. Yeah. Good. I like that Lupita Nyango, and I really, like that digimon hansu guy he's great he's the one that every time i say that we should see a gif of him and guardians going who like that because i never say it right well that's great i don't know

what we're doing yet i think the kids are coming over there'll probably be hot dogs and burgers and probably we have a nice little kind of part of our neighborhood that oversees the valley so we'll probably go down there lay down a blanket and just sort of watch everything on fire from there that's that's the best yeah being able to just watch all of the all of the fireworks displays from from a nice safe distance yep and it will be the anniversary you know i like anniversaries uh it will be the anniversary on friday is it so the day after the fourth is the day our plumbing went to hell last oh wow okay and then everything got real bad for about four days so yeah we're not looking down that barrel this year everything's fixed and good we're all good but boy it's hard to not you know

Yeah, let me know. It's like, you know, a huge expense. I was thinking about that with my, with the Kia Sol, the engine replacing the key of soul. It's like, oh, yeah. That was such a, what a great time that was with having an outlay and for you guys having to outlay that much money. And then not have plumbing at quite possibly the worst gastro disaster, gastrointestinal disaster. Oh, it's terrible. Jeez, Louise. Especially Carter. She's never been so sick. What a nightmare. I never want to think about it. It's just like, it's one of those things that if I can put it in the past and never have it occur again. It was like everything was in

threes. Everything went bad, like all at once. It was really expensive. And we didn't really get to see any fireworks because the night of the fireworks, Van's patient number one, he was the sick one. Oh, right. Yeah. He brought it over, gave it to everybody and we're like, well, all right. And then I, of course, refused to vomit.

And everything went great. Well, anyway, we're, so we're looking for that. I may try to just see where I could do a drone show, because I don't know. I don't, since I don't, like, listen to much local media, I don't really know where I would find one. I guess I can go drone show Utah or something.

Yeah, drone show Salt Lake or something like that. Let's see. Where to watch Jones Road, okay, Salt Lake City Drone Show 2024. Looks like that's downtown. Someone's doing laser shows, too. Let's see. So, Arvada, 4th of July food trucks and fireworks at the Stinger Sports Complex. Nice.

We'll be able to see that one from our friend's house. that they have also have a thing that kind of overlooks Arvada. Nice. Let's see. Birthed fireworks. Beaver Creek fireworks. Still plenty of fireworks, I guess. This is, oh, okay.

This is interesting. Yeah, Brighton. The annual Stars and Stripes event kicks off Brighton's Independence Day celebrations early on Wednesday, July 3rd. Food and beer vendors will start serving at 4 p.m. Enjoy live entertainment with country singer Thomas Mack beginning at 7.30. stick around for musical fireworks at 730. Thomas Mack, don't know who that is. Is that somebody?

No, I don't either. I don't either. I'm sure it's just some dude. But, boy, is that a country, sound of name? But just musical fireworks. I just figure it's like, Boing! Boring! I get it.

I know they're playing music while the fireworks are going off, but I just want the fireworks to be the music themselves. I'd be down with that. Looks like Jordan Park. I could go to this one. Okay, there are options here, and they're not even that far. I like that stuff. I think that stuff's cool.

It sounds expensive, but I always think it's cool. I see the drones doing that. I want to see like a big dinosaur-looking thing and take the boy to that. That would be cool. Or a transformer, like a big Optimus Prime in the sky. That would be cool. That would be really cool. God, just get that many drones up there doing their thing.

So, yeah, apparently I could do Independence Eve at Civic Center Park. That's where everybody used to go and smoke pot before it became legal. that would be the that would be uh april 20th uh number one hangout but apparently they're having a light performance from the colorado symphony brass and percussion ensemble and denver's largest ever drone show um visitors can enjoy food music and pop up shopping and then find a space on the grass to watch the drones unfortunately that is also going to be during the time that i'm playing d and d so so none of that there that night uh lakewood drone show 300 drones than this one. Is that a lot? I don't know what the number should be. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

That's a really good question. I always feel like the Chinese put us to shame because I'll do a drone show with like, I don't know what they use. That's actually one of the things, you know, we've got the Olympics coming up here. And I'll watch a few of the competitions, especially summer.

I like some of the summer competitions. But I always like the opening ceremony stuff. Um, sit there and chat and do whatever during, and watch, half watch during the, all of them coming out with their flags and the Tonga, greased up Tongan guy waving that, uh, waving his flag with his big buff body. But, uh, but, uh, but I like the stuff that they do with the drones and the music and the, the projection screens and the dancing, stuff like that. I thought, you know, China did a great job. Japan did a really cool job with that. I should check him with Patrick, see if he's going to go, he has an apartment. apartment in Paris. Right.

I wonder if you'll avoid that or would want to be there for that, I wonder. Oh, I wonder. Yeah. It's probably going to be a little crazy. But, yeah, Olympic, baby. I feel like I would just stay in my apartment and just see what I can see from my window and not, you know, you say, oh, yeah, Patrick's got an apartment in Paris. All I can visualize is he's got a nice little, little iron rail, black iron rail patio with a little iron table on it with a baguette. and then he can just sit on there and it faces, of course, the Eiffel Tower because it has to.

Because that's in my, what I visualized. But I'm sure it's just like, you know, he sees a building across the street and there's no patio or anything like that. Yeah, I think he's got zero view that I know of, but he probably, I mean, whatever festivities are going on, it just sounds like it'd be a madhouse. It was here in SLC when we had it, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was just crazy. I guess we're getting again in 10 years or whatever hell it is. Real quick here about that. Love is in the air, speaking of Paris.

Yes. Oh, yes. Right here, it's more in Arvada, I suppose, though. So tell me about it. What's going on over there? Yeah. So Tristan and Kay have been dating now for six years. Last night was their six-year anniversary of dating. And they went and recreated their first date, which is at the Denver Aquarium,

now owned by the Landry Seafood Company. Yeah. So if you see any fish missing, well, you're probably eating it. Is it really owned by them? Is that true? It is. Yeah, Landry owns it. And they have a new restaurant in there, and it's like a seafood restaurant. They're not pulling trout out of the exhibit and serving it to you, but they are, you know, you are eating.

You can't eat seafood there. It's like a beef processing company owning a, I don't know, a cow retreat. Fred's Barbecue Restaurant and Petting Zoo. Very, very weird. Pet them before you eat them kind of thing. It's right, exactly. but Tristan had asked somebody there if they'd take a picture of he and Kay in front of the shark tank and the guy said oh yeah sure just some random some random person and then as the guy's taking pictures

Tristan turns gets on one knee and offers an asks for Kay's hand in marriage and she said yes they have a really cool black sapphire ring because Kay is you know both of them are not much into the kind of the Barbie colored lifestyle they're into the, uh, how much black can I fit in my closet. Uh, mm-hmm. He's not, he's, it's funny about Tristan, he's not, I would not say he's like, a, he's not like a dark emo kid. No, no. But they do like that, that look. That's right. That look, yeah. Yeah. It's our, it's look. Friday, I'm in love. That's all I think of when I see him. He doesn't have the, the weird Robert Smith makeup or the hair, but, uh, no, dude's got quite the, quite the bushy, uh, lumberjack beard, too,

going on. I was going to say, I saw that in a photo. I haven't seen him in a little bit and it was like, oh my gosh, can I have some of that hair, please? I'm no kidding. I think bright green, I can't remember what his color is right now. I think it's bright green on top of his head. But yeah. Yeah, but anyway, getting engaged and obviously no plans yet, no date has been set, but we'll keep everyone posted on that, on that friend.

Well, Gratz, dude. That's great. Yeah. Marrying off one of your kids is always about. big a big whoop. On your case, you're one kid. You know, this is the one. It will be marrying off all of our kids. Yeah. All of, all of Brian's children are being married at once. It's crazy. At least all the ones I know about. Well, we could tell some stories. Just kidding. That's not true. Yeah, exactly. Amy asks if I'm going to do the ceremony. And, you know, if they ask me to, I will. If they want me just to be, you know, I guess they'll get to see in October how I do with my niece's wedding. And then they'll, they'll make that

determination and say, yeah, I think we're going to get somebody else. Yeah, no pressure, no pressure that day on you. No pressure, exactly, none, none whatsoever. Yeah. It's a, it's a cool thing to do, to do. My guess, I'm going to just go ahead and predict it. I'm guessing he does ask you to do it. I'll bet you end up doing it. And it's a really cool thing to do, but I remember, so doing Nix, I did Nix. Yeah. And I remember feeling for all the other ones I've done for people who just asked me to do it and for other, like, nephews and stuff like that it's very similar thing i think four total now five whatever it is

they all seemed easy until i got to nick for some reason well not for it's obvious it's your own kid it's just hard yeah you don't want to screw it up you don't want to accidentally make them not married by not not saying the right word or oh wait did i have you sign on the right line in the marriage certificate oh damn i like a next question can you officiate and dj the wedding only if I can do the do the prince let's go crazy beginning and just basically bundle it all in one stop

dearly beloved oh hold on let's do this right oh you have it dearly beloved we are gathered here today to get to this there's not enough echo on this one let's see can I get better echo yeah let's go echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo echo favorite loss character

favorite loss character favorite loss character Favorite lost character. Dr. Echo. Dr. Echo. Oh, that's not bad. Dearly beloved. Oh, that's good. No, it's not bad.

That's not bad. Yeah. We are gathered here today to get to this thing called life. Electric word life. It means forever and that's a mighty long time. But I'm here to tell you. It's amazing. It's amazing.

You should do that. I think that's great. Yeah. All right. Cool. Men hire like a Morris Day looking backup guy. That's wrong. Just have like, have him holding up a mirror.

while, you know, while this guy's adjusting his tie. I had a bunch of women named after like perfumes or stuff, whatever they were. Exactly. Oh, you're right, maybe it's Mr. Echo, not Dr. Echo. I would for some reason I want to make him like a Marvel villain. Dr. Echo. I wish that actor, I'd never see him do anything anymore. Maybe I'd do it, I just don't know it.

Maybe I haven't been paying attention. Yeah, you know, that's a really good point. I liked him a lot. He was great. Maybe Digimon Hansu owns the entire industry. There's just no going on. and Hurley's girlfriend we've seen her in a bunch of things since

but just such a like the most tragic one of the most tragic deaths on that show oh by far yeah yeah that's all on Netflix by the way at the wrong time when it just hit Netflix yesterday the series so if you guys

haven't seen it yeah it's all out there I think I think I need another rewatching I'm to finish what I'm watching for recommendals and then I might switch to watch them lost. I need to watch what you watched. But anyway, congrats to the couple.

Congrats to the parents. Congrats to everyone all around. It's exciting stuff. Love is in the air. Nothing like a wedding. I don't know what their plans are for when they'll do it. But, you know, exciting. Could be winter.

I could see them, again, you know, neither of them are super like, I don't see them saying, we want a big elaborate, lavish ceremony with all, you know, white canopies and stuff. swans and stuff like that. Nah, we just ran off to Vegas and did it. Yeah.

That generation, they don't care as much. They have a got Elvis impersonator. I'm sure it could be arranged. Love me, tenter, love me true. I mean, you could get James to do it, just dress them up just right. That would be the best. So, uh, listen, uh, so, uh, you take, uh, K, oh, you know, to be your, uh, Oh, I want to see that wedding.

I want to see it so bad. When we were playing trivia with James and Svet and their friends, it was all I could do not to just bust into a James impersonation like while we were playing. But I don't like doing that just, you know, without being asked to do it. Sure. Part of the problem is you are very, very good at it.

so it'd be one thing if it was like a passing sort of okay impression but because it's so dead on it's almost like you need written permission from that guy sometimes it's really amazing um all right i got to update on the bee situation around here oh yeah okay more bees well hornets more bees hornets oh no so what's crazy is i made this comment yesterday um and i'll say it again if bees and hornets have a zillow they are terrible at letting prospective buyers know about what has previously happened at the location. Many deaths have occurred in this house.

But please, come come move in. Come move into this beautiful lot. It's available. Anyway, it's the same exact spot as the one we got rid of. Really? They started a new one right there. Because really, those things have a remnant of the old mudwasp hive or

whatever it was. Yeah, like a little nub up there or something like that. Yeah, you think that they'd like say, oh no, that's that's you know some obviously something bad happened here let's not put our mud wasp hive there yeah it's like building a house on a ancient indian burial ground knowingly you know what i mean right with the headstone still sticking out yeah so these idiots moved in and started a new hive and we noticed it and so kim says well there's not too many bees in it yet or hornets in it because it's just new so she waited a second for the two that were in there working to leave to go to their nine to five or whatever

they do and uh yeah go to the office or whatever so she then took out her rake thing knocked it down again but the good news is today we get those fake ones in uh they were supposed to be here last night they didn't show up so we're supposed to get them today and they're the paper uh yeah look like paper lanterns but they're yeah yeah i think you're the one that recommended it right you were the one that told me you know somebody in chat right recommended it. Okay. Can I remember where I hear these things?

I recommended just dowsing that thing in whatever flying insect raids spray at dusk. Yeah. And I may, we may still kind of soak the nub in that because I don't want them coming. Like, what the hell, man? Don't come back. I told the whole point for that original, you know, genocide of your people was to keep you

from coming back. But they came back anyway. So anyway, we're going to put those up. That should be fun. They're these cool little brown things. They're like 10 bucks on Amazon. You get four of them for 10 bucks or something. We're just going to scatter them out in the yard and see how it goes.

No more bees. Let's hope. Jeez, Louise. So, yeah. How many times have I said geez Louise this episode? Probably too many. I'm going to stop saying it. How many Louises do we have in our listener group?

Exactly. You have to say it for every one of them. How many times do I invoke the spirit of Kenny Loggins? I guess he says, please, Louise, but still. Right. And he's alive. so he can feel it when you do it. Yeah, yeah.

There's a little twinge. There's like a little tug at it. He's in bed right now with his orange juice and his morning routine, and he just is going, oh, shit. And Brian again. It's as if I heard someone say, please, Louise, pull me off of my knees and then was suddenly silenced. Yeah, there it is. I always say Jesus, Louises. Oh, that's good, too.

Yeah. I don't know why. I just do. Nice. We got a listener, and this is about a thing we talked about. a while ago. I was railing against the idea that someone who might be okay at typing words

into a paragraph if that makes them an artist or not. Sure. I do, for the record, I still don't believe that that makes someone an artist. I think it just means that they are a entry point for a vast collective of cloud-based computing systems

that do everything for them and most of it is borrowed from other things. So you really did nothing. You just prompted it to poop something out. I'd say you're a programmer, more than an artist. If you're, if you're, because you basically are writing, you're typing code that a computer system is doing to perform a function as opposed to. Yeah, that is a more, if you're just, if we're going to lay it bare,

that's closer to the truth. Even though, even then, they're not really, they're not coding in a traditional sense. They're just typing. They're just saying, in a, in a programming language. Right. But they're saying, hey, computer, make me, it's like saying when Captain Picard orders his tea from the replicator that he's somehow an artist. No, he just ordered the tea he asked for. And if he said to put a cherry on top, it would. Good decision or bad decision. Like, that's

just the prompter. That's what you do. So I'm, I'm, you know, these people that are like, I'm an artist. No, you're not. We're going to, and we're going to address what you said in a second, Jamadako, because I, because I think that you're missing the point if that's your, so Jamadocco says, so authors aren't artists. Got it. No, that's like saying. You had results. of an author is a book which is a piece of art and absolutely authors are artists the the end result of a prompter

yeah no let me tell him where let me tell him where he's correct he'd be correct if you got on to chat gbt and said write me a book about three villains and a hero set in a planet far from earth that does not make you an author

that made you a dude who wrote a thing a computer pooped out a bunch of shit and you're and that's it that's not yeah yeah jama docco's got it right That's a good, that's the best analogy right there, yes. So here is what he says. Scott, look at it this way. This is an anonymous person.

I can get their name. A composer is not a musician, but they are an artist. Well, I agree with that. Music composers who are not necessarily the singer and or the musician or the, what am I am I trying to say, instrument players or whatever, are still artists. And maybe you could, I'd still call them musicians because they're making music. all right because making music isn't necessarily playing the music but making it is you know still a composer they know and yeah and i think they know the exact end result that they want yeah even if even if they

can't play it which by the way is a bit of a this is a bit of a stretch because most of those people can at some basic level get on the piano riff through it change it right i agree do more some of the better right i think some of the better composers do have an instrument usually like you say a piano or guitar that they can get their vision out. Yeah. Or even sometimes a computer if they're doing electronic music or something. But either way, they're putting it. They're laying stuff down for maybe somebody else who's a better performer to play

because that's the commission. But yes, they're writing music. So anyway, he goes on to say they may not be able to play the instruments. Again, I would question whether that's true at some basic level most of them can. But they know how to direct them and they have a vision. This is what someone using AI prompts is doing. No, it isn't. there's room for debate

says there's room for debate about the ethics of artists involved versus the composer's musicians but you get the concept in either case could we maybe not deny folks the right to call themselves artists you never know what kids interests in art

you may be crushing or whether you like it or not this is how the future generation is probably going to art I think that's a cop out and I know if you were here in person I'm not this isn't a fight

I'm not looking for additional fights here on any of these issues but I want if you're sitting down with a kid you're a parent, teacher, whatever and you say you seem to be interested in art you don't give them

a chat GPT log in and tell them to start typing. You don't say here's a prompter, enter draw a turkey with the outline of a human hand and then you holding it up and go, I'm an artist, no. Right. No, what you do is you give them

some paper and pencils and pens and coloring and whatever and you start to have them flesh that stuff out that doesn't mean that these tools aren't useful or can't be useful i'm not saying condemn the whole thing to hell that has never been my stance my stance is though this idea this is a little bit like me going well because because i walked up and and uh oh no this is a better one i went to a place that that hires out horses for a trail ride and they put me on top of this horse and it's a horse that's old and tired and isn't very active and it's a nice slow walk around this lake and we made it back and then me getting off the horse and going, I'm a rough rider cowboy and will be for life.

No, you're not. You're a guy that got put on top of a horse and had a slow walk around a thing. So I guess what I'm saying is like I get the idea that these tools are powerful. You can do powerful stuff with them. question about it. I've done a few powerful things with them myself. But I didn't, like when I sat down and said, hey, create me a chart showing this data, this data, and this data, I didn't when that was finished, go, I'm a statistician and a pro at building spreadsheets. I'm not. I used a tool to make a thing. Now, you could say, well, artists, if they take, you know, palette and brush and canvas, those are tools to make a thing. But those tools can't do shit without you holding them and making a thing now can somebody just take a pen and go on a piece of paper and is that what i'm saying is the standard no somebody may see that and go that's art because it's it speaks to me there's something wild about the scribbles and like now we're

getting into interpretation pollock yeah for example yeah now we're getting into the interpretation part of art right because there is that there's that whole level of it but people who sit down and go All right. Dear computer, I would like you to make me a beautiful, majestic bird, perched atop the Empire State Building on this day where it's sunny and there's birds in the background and, you know, describe the whole scene. And then it poops out this thing, which is to anyone's normalize, going to look very AI generated. Forget about that for a minute. That's the other problem I have is the aesthetic. I hate it. But let's say you've done it. And then do you mean? immediately say, all right, print that. Now I'm going to go and say, I made this.

No, you didn't. You said a thing. And then this complicated, most of it not even on your computer, off into a web of other devices, a cloud computing, came together and made this thing for you. It's not the same. It's just not the same. All right?

So you can't, all these comparisons to like, well, what's the difference between your people have said this before? Well, if you're using a tablet and a and a stylus, what's the difference? It's a huge difference. The stylus and the tablet are the pen and paper. You still have to have the artist. It's not making it for you. You can't just type, make this for me and have it make it.

It doesn't work that way. So I'm not, it's not even like an elitist gatekeeping thing. I just don't know how you can call yourself that in any other scenario where you say, you know, Brian, Brian, if Brian tomorrow, you know, I don't know. I'm trying to think a good example of this. If I used, I guess we don't have, well, we do have some of it, but if I, if I used, you know, these, these things will say, okay, create this song, but make it using this country style and make it have these lyrics. Does that make me a musician? No. What I end up with is a song.

No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. It may be, you know, close to my vision, but all I've done is tell, you know, Amy came up with a really good analogy, basically, where if she commissioned you to draw something and described exactly what she wanted in the drawing, does that make her the artist? No. As well? No, she wouldn't need me otherwise. And if you were such an artist, people doing prompts, you wouldn't need the vast array of computer technology to do it either. You know what I mean?

like you could just do it. So I don't know why this is a point of contention for people. He makes this issue down here about think of the kids' interest in art you may be crushing. No, that's if you're doing that as a parent or a teacher telling their kids that them writing this in and pooping out an art thing is making them an artist, that's a you problem. You screw it up because what will crush them is the truth and the truth will set you free. So teach them young to draw and to scribble and to doodle. and to all that.

And if they have an interest in it, keep doing that. And if they get to an age where they're like, you know what, I'm going to use, I cannot get this background right. So I need some assistance.

I'm going to use, you know, this AI thing to help me do it. Great. Great. That's not the issue. The issue is like, did you,

I don't know what, I can't even, you know what, Amy's is a good example. I like hers. It is a good. Yeah, and Jim,

and Gemadocca, we're not saying that the only type of art is drawing pretty pictures, but it's, you're describing you're not creating when you're using a prompt. Right. Art is, again, you're relaying. Yeah, you're very good. That's a great word. Relaying it. You're not actually doing it. You're relaying it.

And if you are somebody who's like a performance artist, you're out in the middle of the street and you're juggling. It's a form of art. Some people may not like that form of art, but it's art nonetheless. For sure. And if you want to, I mean, this is where you can get into the weed, you can say, well, me in front of chat GPT all day. is me hunched over it's my kind it's like an art I saw like you can see you can make all those claims and that's fine but I just I hit a practicality wall and I go yeah you're just like artists can make art without the infrastructure that is required to make to do this AI shit if people are telling me they they're only an artist if they have billions of dollars worth of data centers research, years of technology,

and various companies that are built on making this stuff for you. If that's the only way you can call yourself an artist, I don't know how you're an artist. Because if those aren't here, what are you then? Like at the very least, a visual artist can sit down with a piece of chalk or a stone and carve something into the ground. You know what I mean? Like, there's a base line.

So I don't know. people may have some other thoughts I'm obviously kind of all over the map here but I do like you know I do like people looking at like all right the kind of the gray area or the what ifs like where is it Batuba says if a great artist has lost the use

of their hands right then would AI art be acceptable I'd say it's still a different thing it's still you know they're great artists or not they're still using the the same textual tool that other people are using that

are prompting and relaying information to create art. And I say that they are not creating or they are not the artist in this case. They may be a great artist and they may have lost these of their hands, but using a prompter is not is still not them creating art. No, but I tell you what could make them

artists, if they've lost, let's say you've gone completely neck down, paralyzed. And you've got a friend or someone you've commissioned or someone you work with who is, you are now there muse so that person can sit there and you say what i picture is this you sort of close your eyes and you and you think of the the painting you want and that other guy making it that's closer to you being an artist even though you're relaying information that's closer than it is for you

talking to a bunch of mindless computers and telling them to do it yeah yeah anyway so right in tell us what you think again i'm not this isn't aimed to be confrontational i just you know this I feel very strongly about it, but it's not, you know, I'm not going to hate on anybody if they're doing whatever they're doing. Yep. And I, and, uh,

Katie says, the answer is to simply make AI art its own category and call it a day. Like make it not, you know, it's not, uh, you're not an artist. Come up with a new term,

a prompter or a, um, I'm an art programmer. Sure. Or I'm a, I mean, people are hiring people for this job. I wonder what that actual title is.

like somebody who worked let's say you're working at a video game company your job is to create art assets that are just repetitive and you know textures or whatever yeah what are they called i'm sure they have a name i don't know what they're called yeah whatever they're called right like like are tweeners artists i guess they are right because they're still they're taking the no people it's not a it's not a derogatory term um are tween like the people who take uh animation cells and say okay here's cell a and cell B and now I need to create 30 cells that go between those are those guys artists sure I mean it's also about who's doing the heavy lifting yeah the computers are doing the heavy

lifting with AI stuff big heavy lifting and so bio cow's point that it's just another medium equal to the other ones he listed I disagree very heavily with that yeah it's not equal it's not the same you don't get a vast system of computers you have no control of by the way these aren't yours to control you don't have a you don't keep a stack of server server farms in your in your room you know what i'm saying like it's just not the same thing yeah totally dr calhoun you're so impatient all right we'll move on geez louise you wonder why i don't look at the chat most of the morning yeah smartest i kind of like that katie smartest smartest i like i'm a smartest yeah it's like the shmimmies like oh no and i

I didn't have a prime time, Emmy. I was a technical, something behind the Kelly Clarkson show. I got a shmemy. I like shmemmies. Schmemmy are good. I would proudly display my shmemy. All right. Let's dive into some news content.

It's time for us to tell everybody about the news, and it's brought to you by. Some more trivia from Scott. If you order Merg, I think it's how that's pronounced, M-U-R-G-H from the menu at an Indian restaurant, what will you get? Sick is the answer. No, what meat will you get? I should read the whole question. Sure.

So what meat is Merg? Meet is Merger. That was my favorite Smith's album, by the way. It was meat is Merger. Meat is murder. I love that. Completely a guess, right? So,

um, Indian restaurant doesn't, so I don't, do they have a lot of pork in Indian restaurants, like pork, beef, chicken. I'm going to guess chicken is what I think Merr is. Is it chicken? You are correct.

Two days in a row, nicely done. Yay. Sussed it out. Well, no, you did exactly what you do. You have to do this process. Yeah, definitely not beef, right, exactly. Beef probably not an Indian restaurant. Yeah, and you don't see a lot of pork.

When you said pork, I couldn't think of anything pork I've ever had there. Maybe they do. Yeah, no, it's like, you know, chicken saute and, and, uh, stuff like that. I'm trying to think of what, do they have lamb? Probably not, right? Oh, goat. Goat is good. Yeah, goat is good.

Goat and chicken. Do they have, do they, can you get lamb at a? I don't know. I was, I was, I was think of Greek food with lamb, but that's, yeah, exactly. I know other people had sheep, you know. Other people, other cultures. Yeah, other cultures surely ate some sheep, but I don't know who did. Yeah. The Greeks is halal.

Okay, so you can get lamb. Oh, okay. Well, then I have, I probably had lamb at an Indian restaurant and just didn't think about it. I had some really good Tiki Masala the other day. Oh, yeah. We've got a place that just opened up near us, a block away. Used to be, like a Pudge Brothers pizza or some Big Daddy pizza. That's what it was, Big Daddy's Pizza.

And they got rid of all that, and they put in an Indian restaurant, and it's called Tika Masala. And you know what there, and it's so, so good. And they do it right. They give you enough food that you have your meal and then you've got a couple days worth of great lunches. Yeah, and if they're going to name it that, it better be the best damn thing on the menu. It is pretty damn good. Tiki masala, I will know. NGL, Scott, NGL, not going to lie.

We had these vegan sandwiches from this place called Buds downtown. Uh-huh. I think. Okay. I've always given my vegan friends a little bit of a hard time because while I respect their decision, I just think it sounds awful to eat that way. Like, it just doesn't sound good to me. But I have a lot of bias in my past about what that actually is.

And every once in a while, someone somewhere will make vegan food that blows my freaking mind. And this place made, it's the best sandwich I've had in years, maybe. Yeah. I got to go back there. It was so good. There was, there is a place in the Highlands, Denver Highlands, that we went with Steph, Steph, with the extra F's. a physical therapist and now back in Utah that we went to in the Highlands. It was fantastic.

I can't remember the name of it, but it was so good. It's like, yeah, I could eat here two or three days a week and get something different every time and enjoy it. I need to get with her. She wrote into the Monday show, too, about this. And she's got, she has better, she knows what I could get here. Yeah, yeah. And I just, I need to, I'm trying to be more open to the idea because.

I know it's healthier. I know there's, you know, forgetting for a minute, not forgetting, but, you know, all of the quote-unquote social political scientific reasons why, you know, we should stop eating meat and that sort of thing. All that aside for just a second, just talking about pure taste and enjoying what you get and not spending too much and all those other issues. I just need people in the know to like show me where to go around here because I just don't know. Yeah. I think it's because you and I, you know, when we first started hearing about vegan food. We were hearing about meat substitutes, and that just kind of made us feel like, oh, yeah, I don't want, I don't want a meat substitute. But you don't have to have any sort of

meat substitute anything. Just don't have something that normally would have meat. It, you know, all plant based is just completely fine. Yeah. Yep. Um, all right, well, let's dive right into eyeballs then. Let's get into some eyeballs. Eyeballs. Excellent. A man has suffered a rare, I'll speak in a bees, a rare bee sting directly to the eyeball and it did not go well. Oh, I'm surprised, because usually those things. go really well. Yeah. You'd think having a stinger right in the center of your eye would be the best thing ever,

but it turns out no. Turns out it's a bad thing. And what may be a biological equivalent to getting struck by lightning, a very unlucky man in Philadelphia took a very rare bee sting directly to the eyeball. He took a bee sting to the eyeball. Oh, geez. Things went bad from there. As one might expect, 55 years to be, I used to be a great Philadelphia like you,

but then I took a bee sting to the eyeball. Take that Skyrim. Change it up some. That's perfect. As one might expect, a 55-year-old went to an emergency department. This must be a British thing. The emergency department.

Because it's ours technica, but I'm guessing they have like a British. It just feels British to say that. It's the DP. Let's see, where doctors tried to extract the injurious insect stinger from the man's right eye. But it soon became apparent that they didn't get all of it.

two days after the bee attack the man went to will's eye hospital with worsening vision and pain in the pierced eye the pierced eye oh and and yeah two days after the bee attack there's nobody i i can't imagine saying to myself yeah i think i'll be fine two days after i get stung in the eyeball by a bee yeah it's not clear here if you went first then went home then then had worse problems two days later no no no he did so he So he initially went to the emergency room and they extracted, they tried to extract the stinger. And then two days later, he went back. Yeah, that's, that's, I wasn't sure. But yeah, that sounds right.

At that point, the vision in his right head deteriorated, his right eye rather, had deteriorated to only being able to count fingers. The eye was swollen. So he's good at identifying AI artworks. No one's better than him at this job. The eye was swollen. inflamed and blood shot. Man, this is just killing me. Blood was visibly pooling at the bottom of his iris

and right at the border between the man's cornea and the white of his eye. Ophthalmologist spotted the problem. A teeny spear-like fragment of the bee stinger still stuck in place. Quote, I was not surprised that the ER missed a small fragment, says, Shohaney. Is that the person?

Shohaney, yeah. Did they give a, they didn't tell what this person's full name is before this? just showhany or shoshani shoshani shoshani okay yeah shoshani no last name they pulled out the majority of the stinger but the small fragment was only able to be visualized at a slit lamp at a slit lamp i don't know about that i don't know i don't like that let's move on yeah i don't like how that makes me feel slit lamp yeah anyway she said referring to a microscope with a bright light used to in i That's what that is. Okay. I'm going to say something next time I'm in there. I'm going

to go. Nice slit lamp. Bring out the slit lamp. Yeah. Bring out the slit lamp. I don't want you to miss anything. Yeah. In this case, they visualized the Stinger at 10 times or 16 times magnification with the additional help of a fluorescent dye. Moreover, after spotting at the Stinger fragment, needed to be pulled out with an ophthalmolic specific micro forceps. Here's the deal. Yeah. They're okay. They're going to be all right. They're going to heal up. but I'm just trying to imagine something just worse than this, and it's hard for me. A bee sting to the eye sounds so bad to me.

Yeah, a bee sting to the eye that requires multiple days of stinger extraction. I just basically, Doc, so you're saying I'm going to just lose the eye? Should I just lose the eye? Can we just lose the eye? It's awful. Like, think about the last time you had a sliver in your hand and a little piece got left and it just stayed red and was never going to go away. But in your eyeball!

Yeah. I assume there's no, at that point, there's no concern about the actual B venom, right? Like, because there is venom, right? Oh, no. Yeah, there's a venom. And I think that they're probably, you know, it's like a, I visualize it like a, like a hypodermic needle, how it's hollow and there's the venom inside. So when they pull out the majority of it, great. But there's still the fragment of it in there that's hollow that has probably still has a little bit of venom in there.

And that's what's causing the pain and the blood pooling. Yeah, it's awful. Somebody asked, let's see, when Mega says, does be sting to the eye, gross, got out more than licking fingers? Yes, 100%. Lick your fingers all day. I'd much rather have that than your freaking eye have a stinger in it. It's terrible.

All right, we're done with the news. We're now going to... It makes me excited to hear when you finally watch episode seven, I think, of... or maybe eight of the bear of the new season of the bear can't wait for you to watch that one and tell me how you do with that oh gosh i haven't started that whole series that i should probably right the whole series oh my gosh really i never seen any of my wife's my wife's seen season one and two i think we're on third now is that this yeah third season just came out okay and wrap up uh all all episodes out at the same time um this one seems to be a little

divisive do you find it to be divisive yeah it's it's um it's um it's is and I know I think I I mean I can definitely understand why because the the the focus of the series the let me the delivery of some of the episodes is in a very different format than we've gotten in previous seasons and I'm guessing that's what people's complaints are especially like episode one which I really which I really enjoyed but it is unlike I think unlike any other episode of the bear that we've got in the first two seasons and um and even some of some of the later episodes but in a good way you're saying like it in my opinion a very good way and a very emotional heartfelt way but um but it's yeah it's not not definitely not a bottle episode but an episode that is just very different from the rest of the um from the rest of it i like that jean wilder looking dude in it i like him yeah somebody pointed out to me uh and now I can't unsee it

he looks like a young Dustin Hoffman Oh wow yeah I can see that He has beautiful piercing eyes You notice that Beautiful piercing nose Yeah That nose will pierce you before the eyes well If you could

You know as long as he's looking straight on You can see his eyes but Where's the worst place you've been stung by B Or has there been anything major like that? In the shirt while I was driving So driving from Denver to Estes Park. Tina was in the car with me.

She loves this story. And my girlfriend at the time with us, Tina's friend. And I've got my arm hanging out the window. We're driving. This is back in the old Chevy Chivette. And a big baggy, God, I want to see it was like a big baggy yellow button-up shirt. Sure. Like we wore back then.

There was a 90s, baby. Like we wore back then, exactly. Nothing wrong with that. Nope. And we're just about to get to Lyons. and all of a sudden a a B flies into the sleeve of my shirt and is like flying around

in this baggy shirt because the wind is blowing into the sleeve and it's puffing up the shirt. I don't want a puffy shirt. And I'm trying to remember this is where I wish Tina was here. I want to say that I got pulled over by a police car at this time

and I had to explain that a bee flew into my shirt but i don't think i was swerving or anything i don't know what you just see you freaking out or something in the seat he must have seen me freaking out or something um or maybe i was speed well i'm sure i was speeding because i speed uh and i got pulled over and had to explain to the office that there was a be in my shirt and uh yeah that's that's that's pretty bad i don't think i can i don't i can't equal that i mean i've been stung a few times but nothing like that when you're in a car and the shit like that goes down yeah and you're and you're like in control of a vehicle

you know is flying 50, 60 miles an hour down down a road. Yeah. Yeah. Ooh. I hate that. All right.

Well, the best I could do is I got an inner thigh when I was eight. Oh. At a baseball game. Yeah. That ain't good either. That wasn't good either. Everything healed up fine.

All right. Listen up, y'all. We're going to take a break. When we come back, Bob, you'll be here. It's right. He swapped for Monday with Bill so that he could be here today. We're going to talk about some weird.

some weird, some weird science today, all right? Weird science. It's coming. So get ready. Hold, hold your breath. Before that, though, a song, and Brian with the song. What are we doing? Yeah. Let's go to Oxnard, California, Oxnard, another place, well, an ox doesn't want to get stung. For a post-hardcore punk emo band called NoMotive, they spell it without an E at the end. So it's N-O-M-T-I-V, or No-M-M-O-T-I-V, or No-M-M-M-O-4 might be. Anyway, they just signed with Southern Cal Indy label Wiretap Records who have sent me so much great music over the years. Love Wiretap Records. They just released their new single, Pieces, their first song since a single Once Again Sundays that they released back in 2011, 13 years since their last single. But this is great.

This is a brand new single from the band, No Motive. It is Pieces. Looking at the window, see, blue skies, fade the grave. Now I'm here at the play from watching over you It dawns on me For a moment I remember you and me Reflections are how we used to me I swear

Road it back for years Get's the best of me It's a strange world Further we go Harder to let go But can't let it go So hard to let it go So hard to let it go

Rolling down the freeze Strike gunned in dreams What a mess we have become Hearts put to the test, you still believe it may Wish you could say you could Farther we go All that we'll let go

I'll kiss So let it go So many sparks come off this star Always in pieces Always in pieces So the further we go, harder to let go. Just blow a kiss and let it go. It's all hard to let it go.

So many sports came off this stone. Take it Always in pieces Always in pieces wasn't the hives, it was that Dr. Morris, the one you picked to bring the frozen bee sperm from Brazil. My name is Goku.

And we're back. I didn't mean to have a bee-related clip there. That's funny. I know. So we have a theme today. I like bee fiend. Yeah, I really did. Anyway, tell me who that was one more time, if you don't mind.

Sure, that is a band called No Motive and a single brand new single from them called Pieces. Their first in 13 years. Let's hope we're going to get some more stuff from No Motive. And big thanks to Earshot Media for sending that one along. I think Irshot is one of your best sources. They provide some great, yeah. They provide some great stuff. Every time you bring them up, it's like a great song, you know?

Not that they're always kind of good, so I guess it doesn't matter. I forgot to mention about trivia last night. I impressed the whole table and kind of myself because, you know, I played a lot of retro video games as a kid. We all did, right? Sure. Or we played a lot of video games as a kid that now we call retro. But I never got into Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat or anything. And they showed a slide with two dudes on it. One of them was Duke Nukem.

And the other one was a guy that's like, oh, yeah, that's a guy from Street Fighter. and he has the the weird spike straight up hair. He's in army fatigues, that sort of thing. It's Guile. Gile, exactly. And I was like, that came into my head. I think it's Gile. But I don't know why I know that because I never played that game,

but it's like, I'm pretty sure that's Gile. And the whole table, you know, once we got it. A bunch of, you know, old farts and Tina. No, I'm kidding. My neighbors across the street are in old farts. But none of them ever played video games. I'm like, I think that's Gile. And they were just impressed.

that I was able to pull that. That's very nice. Maybe you were thinking you thought of shit gratifter or something. I apparently thought of shit gratifter. Yeah, because he was guile in that. He didn't have the hair though. He didn't do the hair thing. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Like, if they showed me a picture of Van Dam from the movie,

I think I would have gotten it. But see, just the shot of the dude. I'm not 100% sure. Well done. Well, speaking of being well done, we have with us, someone who's been cooking all morning, and I'll play his little intro on the talk about him.

Bob is hungry, and the soup looks good. Sure does. Bob is here. Bobby, he goes by, and no one calls him Bob. Maybe his mom calls him Bob. I forgot if we've ever asked you that before. Did your mom call you Bob or Bobby? She does. She calls me Bob.

She's the only one who really calls me Bob. I think we'd cover this like two weeks ago. I think that recently. She says it like this. She says, Bob. Hey, Bob. Come over to the house, Bob, and fix my water or whatever it is. That's right. Bobby, we do me a quick

tiny favor. You're the only person I haven't talked to about this since they changed it and it's not a big deal, but can you go into your user settings in Discord real quick? Go down to where is it, voice and video and scroll down near

the bottom where you can choose to have automatic gain control on. Will you turn that on for me? Right now I think it's probably off if I had to guess. If it's not off, then we've got a different issue. It was off. Oh, there we go. You're back to perfect.

And I normally like it to be off because I want to control mine. But you're right. You're right. Discord is being weird lately, isn't it? Yeah, and they changed it. And it works fine. In fact, it's been really good. It used to be bad. This setting used to be really bad.

And now it's good. Yeah, it used to be. So what they did is they tighten it up. This is the best I can describe it. It used to be, you would say something loud or laugh. And it would like, now you're like this for a little while. Then you slowly creep back up and now we're back to know. It would be like that.

Now it's staying much closer. to where that line is. It just hugs it. And it's actually good, but it's a pain in my ass because I spent years telling everyone to disable it. And now I'm telling them all to enable it. Anyway, you sound perfect now. So thank you for doing that. Bobby, you're here. We got some weird-ass science to discuss today in Bobby's science segment. And so who better than the co-host of all-around science to do it for us? So give me some skin, man. Yeah, so, so, so, you know, the problem that people always have with robots, that you always see these videos of robots that are, that are like supposed to be talking to you,

like they're always from Japan too, right? Like these Japanese robots that have faces and they're talking to you and they get better and better and better. But the problem is they always have this uncanny valley issue. Yeah, yeah. They always just look too good or too, there's something. weird about them. They're not, they're not good. Well, um, they're, the, at the university of Tokyo, in Japan again, um, they're, uh, they're making some effort to see what they can do and have a different approach to, to change the way, uh, robots have, uh, the way we make faces on robots,

um, by putting actual real life human skin on them. Oh, ooh. Uh, actual body, you're talking actual biological cells right we're talking human skin cells yes i've seen the photos of this thing it's not it's not helping me with the uncanny valley just yet in fact it may be making it worse but i i understand the potential why does it have to be so shiny why it's it so damn glossy

i know it it looks like because it is it looks like it's just wet skin blobs that are that are being made to look like a smile You really have to see it. If you're listening right now and you're not on the stream and can't see what Scott's putting on the stream, you really should go look up like a video of the research where they attach this skin to some actuators on a little disc

and they made it smile. And it's really, really weird looking. The idea is interesting, right? Because if you can't do it synthetically, obviously the more realistic way is to create actual functioning skills. But the problem is we have a whole ecosystem in our bodies that keeps that skin healthy, moisturized, you know, growing, shedding occasionally, regrowing, that sort of thing, replenishing itself, this sort of thing. And I don't know how you maintain that. I mean, that seems like a, I think I'd be just okay with a blank stare from a robot and not worry that much about it.

Well, that's definitely one of the problems that they've already said on this paper that was published just a week ago on June 20. It was, they've, they've already said that that's one of the challenge, future challenges that they have to solve. But let's, let's get the real quick specifics on what this is. So it's actually, I said it was in Japan, University of Tokyo, but it's actually a joint collaboration, which so many, so much research is nowadays, between University of Tokyo, Harvard University, and the International Research Center for Neurointelligence. So what they're doing is they've created a technique for, for creating lifelike robotic systems. skin using living human cells. The skin itself is lifelike. The face itself

is not quite yet. Nope. Needs work. Yeah. Yeah. They, what they've done is they've engineered a small robotic face that's capable of smiling. It's this little like palm-sized disc

that is, did it. And they added like little things that look like, they're like glass eyes, I guess, just to make it to make it look weird. They might have just should to left that part out. I think if the glass eyes weren't there, it might be less creepy.

Yeah, it's like you're looking at a, like you're looking at just the regular happy face, the, you know, the 70s. Yeah, it would look more like an emoji or something. Right. But what they did is they covered the entire thing, this disc with a layer of pink living, pink living tissue. And the thing that's new about this and the interesting thing, once you get, get past how creepy and weird it looks and all that. The interesting thing

is how they've done this and the method for attaching the skin to the surface. So the title of the paper is, I love reading science paper titles because they're so, they're so hard. They're like, you know, there's so matter, like, matter of fact or like

very, very, uh, or they're just impenetrable. Like, you just cannot understand what they're talking about. But the title is perforation type anchors inspired by skin ligament for robotic face covered with living skin. Oh, it's a mouthful. Yeah, but really it does lay out everything that they've done. So what is it that they've done?

They've got, they're attaching the skin by using what they call perforation type anchors that are inspired by how actual skin ligaments attach your skin to your, to the underlying tissue, right? So what it is is they 3D print. printed a resin base face or that disc. You know, they've got a couple of different versions of this. One of them, they actually created a resin three-dimensional looking face. And all throughout the surface, they have these small, what they're calling perforations, perforation anchors.

But what it really is is that they're these little V-shaped tunnels or tubes in the surface that um what's the best way to describe this did you ever when you were a kid um either in a sandbox or in your backyard or at the beach i did this at the beach all the time you create you dig a tunnel and then make it go like come out like you dig it in one place and then it would go underground and then come out in another place oh um yeah yeah i guess i did do a lot i do that now in like no man sky just for funsies i like making those kind of right right exactly and so like i would play with action figures in little tunnels like that right mine would always fill up with water way sooner than I wanted them to, though.

Like, I'd like to get this tunnel and then water would come in and just flood the whole thing and crumble the little bridge across it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But if you... So what they did is, on the surface of these 3D-printed faces, they would create a bunch of little tiny tunnels like that.

And then they grew the skin on top of the surface of the 3D printed object, so that it would actually grow into those tunnels and so it's like it created little loops that were anchored in those tunnels and because skin is very stretchy and elastic on its own it would hold itself there and it could it could withstand being pulled on and stretched and all this kind of stuff but it would hold itself together and that's it's very similar to how um how our skin actually

attaches to the underlying layers of tissue it's almost like a Chia pet grooves, right, where you're spreading the seed and the growth stuff into these little grooves, and then life is just attaching in there and then creating, like, going off on its own kind of thing. You're just directing it where you want that weird life to grow. Right, exactly, exactly. And so the idea, why they wanted to try this was because the, you know, the reason we have a lot of uncanny valley issues is mostly because of the fact. that all the other things that have been used,

like silicone or any other artificial surface or any other artificial material that was skin-like is not actually skin, right? So it doesn't exactly move the way that skin does. Skin moves a certain way, and it wrinkles a certain way, it bends and folds a certain way. And so they thought, why don't we just put skin on this and see if it behaves similar?

and they found that it does, despite it looking really weird. Well, it's an early going, right? Like, they're just getting started. It seems like there's the vast room for improving this. Are there any outcries yet about, like, these are living cells and we're not allowed to do that? Or any of that? Stem cell research arguments and that sort of thing. There are, you know, there's always ethical concerns.

And there's going to be, I haven't seen much of it, but there are, you know, always an outline group that because you do have to use some sort of like semi-potent stem cells to grow these types of tissue but they're not like embryonic stem cells or anything. A lot of it comes from

juvenile foreskin. Oh! Really? Yeah. So wait, so they got like you go to this hospital, you get babies born, they snip their foreskins off, they keep that and then use it. here? I guess. Use the cells. Nice. Excellent. What the

frick, dude? Oh, my gosh. So next time I talk to a robot with living skin, it might actually just be a bunch of penis tips. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, oh, this robot looks a little cockyed. But other than that,

I'll see myself out. Tip your waitress. Yeah, that was really good. So, so, wow. All right. I didn't hear that. I didn't see that coming. That's an odd one to me. But I mean, don't we have... I actually, it actually made me look into it because I was reading an article about it.

It was like, oh, they just went and, you know, they ordered some of these skin cells, and they actually list in the paper the company where they got it. And I dug in, and it is surprisingly easy to just buy human skin cells to grow in your home. Really? Where does one... Do you just Google this, or... Timo. Dimo.

I mean, just... Oh, they're all penises and penis. Wayfair, you got just what I need. They used a company called Promo Cell, which sells all sorts of different living human tissue pack, starter packs, they call it. Oh, wow. There's a bunch of these.

Zen complete human skin. Fibroblasts you can order from. How about human primary skin cells for skin culture at Lifeline Cell Tech? Yeah, yeah. It's just a news to me. I had no idea. It's way cheaper than I thought, too. Like, I can get a skeletal muscle cell differentiation starter package for just like $450.

Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. One of these, I went to their site where they have these for sale. It's like a regular store and some of them are out of stock. Like, dermal, see, dermal, macrobial endothal cells, adult, $871 out of stock. Oh, that's a shame. We're on back order. Yeah, I was really hoping for that, you know?

Can't you guys keep those? Other items to consider. Yeah, because I went through the process. I was like, what is it? I went all the way up to the process where it required me to put in, you know, like payment information. Yeah. Because I wanted to see, is there any point in this where I like have to provide

credentials, you know, that I'm like some sort of official lab, like associated with the university or something? But no, it didn't. It was just like, you want some? here you go weird people who bought this also bought excavator to make a giant pit in your basement to put

people into a lotion in a basket I mean it's oh it says here 500,000 cells per vile is what they sell these at at least this one source what would who so where did

you only need one though right to get going or one cell yeah because don't you can't you just I don't know how Well, if that cell dies, then you're... Yeah, it's not like sperm and eggs where you just need, where one is all that's going to take, you've got to have a bunch to... You could theoretically start with one.

Yeah, yeah. It'll just take you a lot longer. Exactly, yeah. I'm blown away by this. I had no idea this is a thing. I can get smooth muscle cells. Yeah. Lord knows I could use some of that. Yeah, they're very convincing muscle cells. Lord knows mine aren't, so,

you know. So the reason that they're doing this, and they claim is, you know, for the obvious reasons of making realistic social interactable robots, but also they say that it'll advance the science of tissue engineering. Also for reconstructive medicine. Yeah, I was just saying like skin grafts and things like that. Being able to grow this stuff and make it easier to grow and more realistic and also with cosmetics, because they found that it after repeated. making it smile over and over again, it developed smile lines, right? Yeah.

So just like human skin does. And so understanding that process and how that happens. Oh, my God. So those little actuators that make it smile are like doing it over and over and over and somebody in a lab has to just sit there

and watch this. Look at it. Look at it, do this thing. Oh, nightmare fuel. That's horrible. And they're doing follow-up psychological research on that person. Yeah, yeah, please do, exactly.

Get some on a list of some kind. Here, you can take my foreskin. Just let me out of this lab. Are there, so Bobby, if you had to just pontificate any other far-reaching use cases other than robot facial crap, is there a way we see this in some other application? Because oftentimes that's what will happen, right? Research will happen on a thing. And they go, oh, you know what?

Facial reconstruction surgery. A guy lost half his face in a fire or, you know, whatever. Yeah, I was actually thinking about this. And there's research that's been done over the past year on trying to replicate squid skin for like camouflage purposes, right? Because squid are really good at camouflaging, right? Didn't know that. I guess they kind of translucent or whatever they do. They just fit into tiny spaces.

They can change the color of their skin and the pattern. And yeah. So they can just like lay on the bottom of the floor. ocean floor and they can change the pattern of their skin to just kind of blend in and so it's been science has been wanting to study

how they do that for a long time and they know a good bit about it but we can't grow for some reason I don't know why but for some reason it's really hard or impossible to grow skid squin or skid squin skid squin

skid squin I love that term squid skin skin skin skin skin skin Anyway, yeah, no. So, a bit of, but, like, white. Yeah, go ahead, sorry. Well, they understand what's happening at different layers of the squid's skin, you know, like, it's a really fascinating topic. They have, like, a top layer that uses pigment cells in the squid's skin to, and so that's attached to muscles, and it changes the shape of the pigment cells to actually change the color. But then there's, like, an underlying layer to that that has.

that allows them to change like an iridescent layer of using structural color instead of pigments. And it's really complicated stuff that makes it so easy for them to change. And so scientists have thought, like, why don't we just make our own material that does the same thing instead of trying? So this, being able to grow actual human tissue and try to incorporate it into like human skin cells could, I don't know, Make camouflage type materials would be interesting. But then you got to think, then the Terminators are going to have the ability to camouflage and hide themselves from us. This is all just part of that. We're all just working toward that end goal.

I feel like the Trojan people should get on this. It feels like an opportunity. You know what I mean? Truly skin-like condom technology. That would be amazing. I mean, you laugh, but I mean, why not? you know i mean look at it brian look at it this way you're like all right i'd like to order a box of uh ron jeremy's please yeah but it doesn't oh jeez but it doesn't mean you're going to feel it

any better while you're wearing one of those well it's not going to become your own skin not with it not what and say yeah why the hell is that thing smiling at me not not not with that attitude we got to figure out a way to get them to work together you know mesh together right and i and the ron jeremy Anything's a joke, but the idea, I don't think this is this crazy. If you could do this, then you could order the Tom Cruise or whoever would put their name to it and say, here are 500 of my cells, make a bunch of condoms out of it. I see what you're saying. Let's, okay, so more about this, the, the getting to use some celebrities' cells.

Yeah. Then the, this is improving condom technology kind of thing. Sexual health. It's for her pleasure. It's right. That's right. Yeah. It's smiling. It's smiling for her pleasure.

Also, this is the... I'm thinking I want some Elizabeth Hurley cells or some Allison Bree cells or something like that. Oh, that's a good point. I didn't think of that. Let's look at it from our perspective. Okay, here's the other thought, though. I bet you at this place, I'm looking at this dish,

you know, at the little face on it. There's no way... That place smells funny, doesn't it? You just know it. Oh, yeah, yeah. You can't mess around... It looks like chewed bubble gum. Yeah, but I bet you everything in there smells like

just like a rot. There's a cat somewhere. in the attic who died a year ago, and just all, everything stinks. Oh, yeah. I don't know why. Just, I can't, I don't like human cells outside of a human, laying on a table, growing in weird ways. There's no way it doesn't just reek in there.

I just know it. Yeah, it wouldn't be amazing if all of a sudden they're like, wow, you know, we're developing this skin technology and it's finally working. We're able to create skin with these cells. Why does it smell like chocolate chip cookies? Like freshly baked chocolate chip cookies. Well, now you're on to something, see? this is great we want I want condoms and I want them to smell like chocolate chip cookies

fresh out of the oven uh all right Bobby well this is fascinating stuff we'll of course keep an eye on it a little twitching glossy eye I guess to see if it advances any more than this but in the meantime people should know more about where your show is what it's about and how they should listen and why tell them all about it all the podcast we do is called all around science it's weekly we uh we we talk about science. Just, you know, whatever we're interested in or whatever's going on in the news. We just

had, we just recorded our 200th episode. Oh, congratulations. Oh, Gratz. That's a sign that a podcast is going to stick around when you hit 200. That's awesome. That's right. Well, we are definitely planning on sticking around and we talked about, we answered a listener question that was

it was more science fiction related. We talked a lot about what over time science fiction has gotten right what it's gotten wrong and it was just us like talking about what what we've seen and stuff like that i love that kind of talk yeah you if you can go you get a couple of nerdy friends and just go down that hole you'll never you'll never want to get that's what it was we had to more on my co-host had to had to had to cut it off at a certain point you're like okay we're just going to keep going

forever if you know yeah yeah i love that though that sounds like my jam uh well it's all around science you guys you're going to want to hear it it's real good stuff if you liked what we talked about today more gooey face talk coming your way uh bobby thanks for hanging out with us man thank you and you know what we'll see you soon okay i don't know why i said it you know number one i pulled you into my ready room to talk to you i don't know if you're having this problem but every time i will look at data while he's talking to me i think your face is made of four skins i can't hear a word is the word he says someone in the chat too said that the face The face one, where it's...

There are four skins. Yeah, there are four skins. Here, look at this. That face on the left, everyone in the chat was saying that looks like Mark Zuckerberg, and they're kind of not wrong. It does look like Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah. Yeah. Get a little Zuckerberg. I don't know who this looks like, but... On the right? Yeah. I don't think he's got a, I don't know. Ernest Borgnan. It's the face of Ernest Borgnan. It looks like the villager that I'm going to politely ask to leave out of Animal Crossing. Nice. Yeah, please leave.

what's name of it If I don't bring you flowers for a while Will you leave? Yeah, please leave my place All right We are done That's the show And that's a great news

Because it means that your day Has been started properly You're all going to feel better about it And you're going to have a great awesome rest of your day But we can't do any of that shit Before Brian plays a song Because that's really what sets us That's like the mark, right?

You hear the song and then you go, well, I'm off The rest of my day is awesome Because of this rad song Brian brought Exactly. This song in the end in the middle really just separate us from all of the other couple casts out there. Hey, let's get a request from Matt B, who says, hey, sushi and bulgogi. Oh, dang it. Right before lunchtime. My 37th birthday was June 30th, and Weezer is one of my all-time favorite bands. Could you play a cover of one of their songs?

And if you can't find a good one, I know that Weezer themselves has a pretty good cover album, quote, or parentheses, the teal album, signed Matt B. Nice. well thank you Matt and happy birthday happy 37th birthday I don't know what is that is he get the let's party I think so

yeah you're under the number Let's party Yeah well I mean you don't have much longer But I think you should still get celebrated As a young person That's right So I'm one of those people That thinks that the teal album is hit and miss

I love Weezer right And I've done a bunch of Weezer shows On Coverville And I still have physical copies of a lot of their albums. And I even did their subscription thing with Rattitude back when and I predicted this by the way

on Forecast, the podcast Tom and Scott podcast where I said bands are going to start to have subscription services so that you can subscribe to them and get all of their content. And then Patreon came out a little while after. I'm not

saying I invented it. We didn't. We didn't give you enough credit for that. That's actually a dead on I used to want to track these, like all our guests and the things they said, and I just kind of spaced it. But you did it. That's rare. I did it. Not everyone did it.

Yeah, most people are like, one day, our bushes in our yard will be our best friends, and they'll talk to us as we go to work. It's like stupid stuff like that, but that's a real one. Yeah. Yeah, that's a real one. I want to find that episode and time step and say, right here. Thank you. Thank you, half of Pomplemuse, Jack Conti. You can send my residual checks to this address.

Anyway, that's great. All right. So this is, this one came on a couple years ago, but I did not find it until this year when I was putting together a Weezer cover story. Taking Back Sunday in 2021 released a cover of Weezer. My name is Jonas. It is, it sounds like Taking Back Sunday. It's not them trying to ape Weezer, which is always a plus for me. And it's a great cover.

Here is, my name is Jonas by Taking Back Sunday. We'll see you guys tomorrow for a Wednesday edition of the morning stream. My name is Jonas I'm carrying the wheel Thanks for all you've shown us This is how we feel Come sit next to me Pour yourself some tea

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The workers are going home Going home, yeah. going home, the workers are going home, yeah, yeah, yeah. My name is Jonas. Hey, Sart and Board of TMS. This is regarding the discussion of the defenestrations on last Thursday show, number 2663. The most famous defenestration occurred on the 20th 3rd of May, 1618.

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