The Morning Stream - TMS 2705: Paint Your Head

Episode Date: September 12, 2024

Dueling CAPSLOCK. Monibot. Haitian Cat Recipes. My legs are dead, Gym. Brian's Bobble Bump. Whittling: the Original 3D Printer. Cookie Cutter Bro. Listen While Chore-ing. No Cards, No Cigars, and NO LT. YAR! We Can Toggle It For You Wholesale. Pineapple Hypothesis. Don't Call Them STDeeeeees! Can't See the Truth for Your Nose. Organs are in, Kazoos are out. The Other Guys with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Talking to my shadow, he advised me not to worry. Said I should plant my tree and let it rise out of the fury. Good thing I signed up at patreon.com slash TMS, and so should you. Coming up on the morning stream, dueling caps lock. Monobot. Haitian cat recipes. By legs are dead, Jim. Brine's bubble bump.

Whittling, the original 3D printer. Cookie cutter, bro. Listen while choring. You'll get no cards, no cigars, and no lieutenant yard. We can toggle it for you. wholesale. Pineapple hypothesis. Don't call them STDs. Can't see the truth for your nose. Organs are in, kazoo's are out. The other guys with Wendy and more on this episode of the morning stream. Hi, I'm Diane Horner and welcome to country hip-hop. I think we're ready to go. Let's do some

great hip-hop dancing. What do we do? The Morning Stream, Conan, the Barbarian. Hello, everybody, and welcome to TMS. It's the morning stream for September 12th, 2024. Scott Johnson here, Brian Abbott there. Good morning. Hello, Scott. Today is truly 912.

It is. Happy 9 of 12 day to our September. That's right. September, we hope you're out there listening. I think she's in the chat. far as I know. I think so, sure, yeah. It's hard to say at the beginning because all these people do do this TMS spam and I lose all the names. I don't know who's here. All I see is right now, Zoe and Stephanie dueling, dueling cap, uh, Caps lock. Yep, basically what they do. Uh,

speaking of which, Brian, you're sitting today. Is there a reason you're sitting today? You said there was something going on there. Interesting you asked. Well, yeah, I'm stuffed. I had nothing but cat for dinner yesterday and Haitian, Haitian cat recipes. Oh, they're so good. Uh, no, so I didn't want to talk about this until I was entrenched in it for a little while just to make sure that I was going to stick with it because I was kind of on a trial period but Scott I joined a gym

what? I did. A physical location with like wow and and not just any gym I'm part of the Orange Theory cult gotcha it is a little bit of a cult I have a close friend that worked there though and they they loved it there while they were there yeah here's what I like about it

And I joke about it being a cult. I mean, I think any gym situation, you've got a, you do have a kind of a cult-looking thing. But if I join a regular gym where just you've got all the equipment sitting out there, here's what I do. I just feel like the bike today. I'm just going to do the bike. Yeah. Or maybe I'll do the treadmill or whatever. I've realized over the years, even having equipment in my house and a very nice bike to go outside with.

yeah um that uh that i need somebody uh blowing a whistle at me and clapping in my face and they don't really do that but but i need somebody kind of directing me so they do have that right that gets a you get a trainer orange theory the situation with orange theory is that um for their for their base classes or their base i guess you call it a class it's an hour long and you're in two or three groups and you, you've got basically three things in the place. You've got a row of treadmills, you've got a bunch of rowers, and then you've got some, um, some benches and weights and, uh, mats and things like that. And what you'll do is, um, if you're in a, what's called a 3G class, you'll be in three groups, the G stands for groups, and you'll basically do 20

minutes in each section. Um, if you're in a 2G class like I was today, You'll either be doing the treadmill or the rowing and the floor equipment, kind of a combo of those, and then swapping halfway through. So it's basically like, all right, 20 minutes are up. The rowers, you're going to move to the treadmills, and you're going to do da-da-da-da-da. And then treadmills, you're going to move to the floor, and you're going to be doing this. And then they have different exercises and things or speeds and inclines. Basically, you're all doing kind of the same workout, and it's always different, which again, something I do. need. I get so freaking bored. That's one of the reasons I think is so, it's so difficult for

me to do the outdoor cycling is because I have about six paths that I take. And after I'm doing all the training for the MS-150, I'm so bored with those, those paths that I just can't do it anymore. I just, it's like, I just don't have the desire. I think it's why my treadmill just sits here because I get so bored on it it's like I don't go I don't go anywhere you know I can have a screen I can watch things but I don't know I hate that you're not wrong about this so the fact that like you know Tuesday I went and it was um it was the this sort of incline heavy treadmill thing where you're keeping the same speed but you're just increasing the incline in kind of increments um today it was a whole speed thing with the treadmill the rower alternating with the

doing some floor exercises and back and forth. And so that's what's working for me. And the trainers, so far, haven't met a trainer that I didn't like, that I didn't feel like is not that cookie cutter bro or Jane Lynch character. How close or how adjacent to like Lee Ermey are we here? Oh, so far away from Lee Armey. Think Paul Rudd with a whistle Like the guy today

I'm sorry the guy in Tuesday Today was Regina And she is She looks like One of the people One of the contestants on Taskmaster Whose name I'm completely forgetting But they're dating Poverty Shallow from Survivor

I can't remember their name but little pixie-haired blonde um i like to think all of these all these contestants intermingle in the reality competition space exactly it's like they'll meet they'll you know there are so many of those things where it's like yeah this person from big brother married this person from survivor or they meet a lot of them meet on this MTV challenge thing i don't know if you've ever watched that but i have forever ago it's been ages but uh it didn't it's it kind of sprung out of road rules and road rules and real world.

Yeah. So basically it's because it's all paramount stuff, it's your real world road rules big brother, survivor, amazing race, and then Love Island or something or one of those

dating shows where yeah, the only physical challenge is how many dates you can get in one night. Yeah, how many girls and boys can get together and, uh, you know. Exactly. Connect for themselves.

How far you can walk with 15 STDs? I'm sorry, STIs. SDIs, yeah. Let's get that. It's the new way. It's the new thing to say. I don't want to offend any Ds out there. No, no, no, no.

No, no. Well, that's, speaking to Paul Rudd, if you think of him as Paul Rudd, think of him saying this. You waxed your anus. Gross. Yeah, think of him saying that. That's great. I say, good luck to you on this.

This sounds great. Sounds like a new big plan. You're going to go for it. It is. And they say if you can do it for two weeks, then it's a habit, and it's now been two weeks. So that's why I feel like I can talk about it. Yeah, so Tuesdays and Thursdays, basically I'm doing Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturday mornings. And doing the Tuesdays and Thursdays before TMS, because it's a great time for me to do it.

It works out perfectly. I'm a morning, I'm a morning guy, so let me knock those out first thing in the morning. And Tuesdays and Thursdays, I have less prep work to do for TMS than I do on Mondays and Wednesdays. Oh, good point. Yeah, those are good days to do it. Yeah. So, yeah. I'm sore.

Yeah, I'll bet you're a little sore. I would sit too. A little bit of sit and never hurt. Yeah. Yeah. So if I'm sitting on a Tuesday and Thursday now, you all know why. Okay. And we'll see.

But yeah, the music is really good, Desiree. They have, it's almost like, like they've got, I'm sure they get daily, a different mix every day, some daily mix. And it's a, it is one long mashup with about 30 different. songs in it um like this morning i had uh cut my life into pieces this is my last resort going into flagpole citta into m&m without me because it feels so empty without me and yesha timber and anyway that's great it's the the greatest hits for you there i'm fine with that too because if it's a song i don't like i don't have to listen to the whole song i really just get like, like, two minutes of, of Keshah, Kadaler Ha.

Yeah. That's all I can make. That's great. And also, isn't it? It also gives me ideas for film sack songs. Oh, good. While I'm on the treadmill, I'm like, oh, yeah, I need to use this for a film sack song at some point. So the other, I guess, motivator with Orange Theory is they're also kind of expensive.

So it's probably a lot more like, well, if I'm going to commit, I got a, you know, I got to eat. Exactly. Yeah. If I'm going to be paying this much, I better. freaking go. Yeah. I got in on the, this, this one just opened up in Nevada, like a block, two blocks away from my house.

Perfect. Brand new location. And because of that, they had a deal where you could lock in a price about 30% less than their standard premiere. And it's in perpetuity. So as long as I stay with them, I keep that price. Nice. If I leave and come back, then I lose that price.

Your grandfathered in, as they say. from grandfathered in yeah that's awesome premier premier pricing well very cool man uh good luck with all that because that sounds awesome we do we just started to go back to our uh HOA paid for we literally pay for it but it's not quite the same because you don't think about it clubhouse yeah yeah we have like a i guess it's called that what is there another word for that something there's a there's an acronym we're supposed to use anyway whatever it oh the oh the the the multi-purpose no not multi-purpose room but like it's like they probably got a room in there that you can reserve like if you want to have

have a birthday party in there. Yeah, they have a bunch of that crap. But they also have like full basketball courts and a whole gym area and weights and all that. So it's nice. It's just, it's a little bit of a disconnect because we're like, well, it's part of our HOA. So we don't think about it. Whereas if it was a thing we were like paying for every month and it was a bill, you know what I

mean? Like it would feel more urgent. I don't know. We got to use it though. It has like pools and all kinds of stuff. I don't know why I don't use it as often as we do. That's exactly why I need what I need. need, because if I don't have it, I won't use it.

Yeah, yeah. I need somebody. I need Regina, little Regina yelling at me to, to, actually, she just goes behind me, oh, good incline, Brian. Oh, yeah, that's the other thing with the, with the orange theory, you get a little band, right, little heart rate monitor. Yeah. And then they have the screens up all over the place that have everybody's name and what their heart rate is and you're supposed to stay, like you go from gray to blue to green to

orange to red and so if you're in the orange you're doing 85% of your your working heart rate kind of thing yeah if you're in the red for too long they're like okay let's get the paddles yeah they literally want you to stay in orange right it's like the happy zone they want you to stay in orange and actually the the first day that my trainer said Brian you're spending too much time in orange normally we want to see like 12 to 18 minutes during the whole day in orange you spend 35 minutes in orange you really took the theory seriously that's all i really did exactly like well whatever if don't call it then call it green theory yeah call it red theory call it green theory call it something else his name is nolan his name's nolan his name's nolan his name's nolan that's

great you want me to be in blue more of the time call it blue theory okay sure sure do what you got to do well that's great i'm excited anyway so i'm loving it awesome uh we got an email you know i brought it up on this show we talked about it more on length with carter on the monday show but this whole idea that there's a sizable swath of Gen Z who think the thumbs up emoji is just sarcastic and not meant to be like an okay or good job or whatever they think it's just corny and weird. Got one from a listener who said for TMS regarding the thumbs up

I've been following a discussion about it on TikTok. The conclusion seems to be Gen Z did not grow up with happy days, reruns like Gen X and millennials did. So they have no Fonzie or his cool influence to go by. So there's no, they have no connection to like a cool thumbs up. Yeah. That's earnest. Right.

Right. Exactly. Like, A. Yeah. They don't have that. They have. What do they have? They have.

Buddy Jesus was probably their first experience. Yeah. And you can't take that seriously, right? You can't take buddy Jesus is sarcastic. You can't take buddy Jesus seriously. Oh my gosh. It's Kevin Smith's fault. This whole thing.

It really is. It totally is. God, there's something to that also. I like the fact that that whoever wrote in refers to it as Happy Days reruns. Listen, I'm old enough to have watched

First Run Happy Days. Yeah. It was late. It was late for us, but yes, we were old enough to see him. Even though it looks like those shows took place in the 50s, they were 70s TV shows.

And we watched that rolled right into Laverne and Shirley and then Morg and Mindy when that was your must-see TV block. Yeah, we were all very, very young. Let's see, it ran from 74 to 84. I probably didn't see my first happy days till 78, 79, maybe 80. But, yeah, we were around for that stuff.

And so is Kevin Smith. He knows better. And so is Kevin Smith. And so basically he caused all this with his buddy Christ. Yeah. I have a buddy Christ somewhere like the little statue. Oh, you do? I should put that on my desktop or on my dashboard.

Oh, I'm really happy with my bobblehead stitch. I've got a stitch and a Hawaiian shirt who, it's a bobble body. Like his waist is the spring. So he just basically does this the whole time I'm driving. Does his head also moves, right? That doesn't hold. Head doesn't move independently. Head moves as part of the upper half of his body.

Okay. Well, then no sale. Much like I'm demonstrating for our visual listeners. It's a good look. Yeah. I want that on my dashboard. stitch. Just a bubble Brian. Yeah, Brian's got a

3D printer. Just get some springs. We got this. This is the hot new product coming out of TMS, you guys watch for it. I could totally do that with that 3D print of my body. I could actually literally print a version that has a spring in the middle of it and just

don't. You cannot sand down the part though. You have to leave that. It's already done. I went in there with the 3D modeling tool, Scott. Dang it. The original is... A little modesty. Listen, I have no idea why the little Microsoft connect on a stick that they were using was so flattering to me.

But listen, I don't want to scare people if they receive one of these little statues. So, yeah, a little, you know... I get it. That's a really... You're actually, this is the right thing that you've done. You've done the right thing. Yeah, I'm doing... It's more of a public service that I've done.

Yeah. Nobody needs Brian's junk in their face. exactly like what are you going to do rest your your apple pencil on that thing i mean you know oh i lost speaking on apple pencils i lost mine for a good three hours yesterday i was so frustrated and i because i thought honestly i thought if i dropped this because i was at the park with it the other day drawing like to take it out there and sketch and i thought i've left it out there it's gone i'm going to have to go shell out another 130 bucks or whatever these things are to get another one a super stress and this is the new pro two one the right

the one that came out with the M4 iPad. Yeah. So I was like, oh, man. And then finally I found it deep down in a couch cushion where I was sleeping. Ooh, good thing. Good thing. Yeah. If I'm not using mine, it's right here in this little 3D printed stand that I've got.

If I need it, I charge. I mean, it's attached and charging, like if we're going to be doing drawful on play date, and I have it charging. And then as soon as I'm done, right back there. I'm really glad you brought that up. And this is true of, like, some of the surface pens or anything else. A really smart thing to do is to, because I, and I stress about this, I overly stress about battery health on all devices of any kind.

I think about it with my steam deck, my phones, everything. So I'm always thinking, okay, optimal charging. Some of them thankfully give you tools for that now, like kind of built-in phones and watches and stuff, but not everything. And every time my Apple Pencil is just sitting on the charging magnetic thing at the top of the iPad, I just kind of sit there and go, oh, you're over charge. So I take it off a lot and I put it to the side. I don't know why I do that, but I get weird about it.

Does the new Apple pencil not have a thing kind of like the iPod or the AirPods Pro case where you can have it ping and make a noise? Or that probably doesn't have a little noise thing and it does it. I don't think so. Oh, but it does have a fine, my. Does it? Oh, maybe it's got like a track. Does it? I didn't know that.

I bet it does because my AirPods. Oh, my. My AirPods case does, but I don't think the individual AirPods do. Yeah, I think that's right. I think you're right. Yeah, that's unfortunate, though, because that pencil could use that functionality. I would love that. I would have found it right away.

I'd be like, oh, there it is in the couch. Three hours later. Gosh, dang it. Neen, me, need, ne, that sound is the worst, man. I know it's designed to be the worst so that you can hear it and it's meant to be easily echolocatable. I get why they use the sound. I just hate it. It's not the worst sound.

hate it. Oh, no, there are worse sounds, but I hate that one. There's also a couple of... What's the worst sound in music? Do you have a, like, in any musical song or a musical instrument you hate, what sound... Oh. I have a very specific one that I could, I'd be happy to never hear again in any musicals. So for me, it's changed over the years. I used, when I was a young person, I hated organs inside of music. I hated it. Oh, really? I really did. I really did. I don't know why? I think I... You're not a fan of Anagata DeVita then. I love it now. See, that's what's weird is I love it now. I hear it now

and I get excited. There's something about the I don't know what got put into me here. It's something about my grandma's old wood panel-ass looking house with that old organ shed in the corner of the room and the sound of that thing if I heard it, it just made

whatever I was listening to it was just like, old like that's how I thought of it. And I didn't appreciate it. Now I do. So that's changed. I like I like Oregon now. I'm trying to think. I don't know if I have a... I don't like kazzoos.

Oh. Oh, not just kazzoos. Because you feel the sound of a kazoo. Yeah, I just don't... I feel like I could do it, you know? It's that... You kind of like Alanis Moriss that's harmonica. Yes.

Re, re, re, re, re, re, re, re, re, re. It's like she's laughing behind her harmonica or something. Right, exactly. Speaking of which, I don't like... don't like harmonicas. I will accept it in a couple of Billy Joel instances, maybe era-appropriate stuff, but I don't like it generally speaking. Interesting. Okay. Generally speaking. What do you not like?

That's a pretty good one. I love a harmonica. I mean, yeah, you think about piano man begins with that great harmonica like you're saying. But, yeah, John Popper's harmonica, Bob Dylan. I don't know who played it. in Bruce Springsteen's band, but there was a good harmonicist. You know what, for me, the worst sound is that that sound that they use on every downbeat, I think every fourth beat in the House of Pain song, Jump Around. Oh, that's funny. I just heard that yesterday in a TikTok or something,

and the guy was doing this very thing where he's complaining about this hype. Way, really? Yeah, I don't know if I liked it. It'd be harder to find. Well, the good news is you all know that I don't look at TikTok, so this is coming completely fresh. Yeah, that's great. There's also the video, I remember liking the video because that sound was made by old black and white footage of kids blowing on band instruments. Oh, really?

Okay. So they'd be like, dance around, jump around, or whatever. And then somebody would go, reet, and when they do it, a kid would blow on like a tuba. You go, br-drink! Every time. I thought that was cool, but I'm with you on the sound. It's freaking horrible. Yeah.

It makes you not want to jump up, jump up, get down. I want to jump up and leave the room, is what that makes me want. Cypress Hill uses it insane in the membrane, don't they? Like, it's used so freaking often. Yeah. Repeat. Oh, Blink Digital Agency says the Yao from Should I Stare? Should I go?

Yeah. So then you probably don't want to listen to big audio dynamite song it's not rush is it the globe it's the globe which puts that yow from should I stare should I go as the fourth beat on every

verse oh really is it that's in there I didn't know that oh I used to feel this way about cowbell that's another one oh really it depends on the song so like you just hate rock and roll Scott harmonica cowbell think about it it's all old shit that now I appreciate. But at the time

as a kid, I thought, this is so old. It's because I was so wrapped up in 80s synth and new wave and stuff and I just thought well, clearly we've come to a new place and this is where we want to be. All that other stuff is terrible. Why would you want to listen to it? I was wrong. I did that with movies too. It was like, you can't watch

Godfather's made in the 70s. Lame I used to say. Right. Of course it's not lame. It's Alzheimer. So good. Tristan felt like that too. Like any time I was like, all right, Tristan, got another movie that we're going to watch as a family tonight. And he goes, was it made before 1995? Yeah, I used to do that.

Yes, because the best movies were made before 1995. Yeah, yeah. So I'm, I get it now. But when I was younger, I was very picky about that crap. I'll tell you what song, if you did any kind of synth with bass in it, like here in my car, we're, we're, we're, where, we're, where, where, where, I loved that. And if you did that even in terrible songs, I would buy your damn tape. That's what I would do.

Yeah, yeah. No, and I'm, and I'm, I still love it. Yeah. Give me, give me new modern music made with 80s mogue synthesizers. Yeah, I'm happy as a pig and shit. Yeah, a pig and poo. A pig and poo. A pig and poo. Okay, Scott. Well, you can say shit. It's fine. I don't mind. Thanks.

But fuck is like that. All right, now, real quick, that's a funny story because it's a throwback, all right, everybody? Exactly. There's a, there's a reason I said that. Yeah, everything's fine. All right I really thought The people watching me can verify I thought about it for a minute

Before I decided to make that joke Yeah No it's a fair It's a fair delay That they have Check this one Well here I'll play it Brian You guys want to hear the original

Here and listen to us If we're going to yeah Yeah here we go Shit is okay Fuck is not good Gotcha Okay the best part of that clip Best part of that clip is how tired

You are at about hour 13 of Of the coverth Oh, is that what that was? Yeah. No, that was, that wasn't coverthon. That was me, that was when jury came to Denver and I did a live coverville with him as a guest, I think. Oh, I thought, I could have sworn this was a coverthon. Maybe not.

During coverthon? Maybe not. Because I remember him saying it was like. He was in the studio when we did that. Was he? And I don't think he ever came to a studio during a coverthon. Oh, maybe not then. Why do I have it?

Did we do a TMS with him there in your office? Maybe we did that. Yeah. Well, no, then we wouldn't have to tell him like F-bombs are no good, right? He'd know. He'd know, right? He'd know. He'd think he'd know. That's why I think it was, I think it was a Coverville, and he just wasn't as familiar with my Coverville rules. My rules for Coverville. Here's another one of Brian. For fuck's sake. All right. One more there. Just get them all out of the way now. Let's get them all out of here. Here's one from Patrick.

The movement is fucking it up. I thought they only ever said nerd I miss Patrick He's great I did too Yeah He's up to him in forever He sent me a

Mod of the Month For the next instance So Nice Oh that's awesome Check that out A little later this month All right

Let's see here Got a call from somebody Who Turns out Well we were making comments About his accent And saying I wonder if he whittles

Oh yeah Right Now we have some confirmation As to whether this person Whittles or not Here you go Hey, boot and scoot. It's me again.

Just wanted to let you know that I do love to whittle. All the whittling. Love it. Love the show, though. So he does whittle. That's awesome. Whittling is the original 3D printer, by the way. Yeah.

Take a piece of wood, turn it into something cool. Kim's dad still whittles. He loves it. Nice. Give him a good piece of hickery or something. He'll go out on the porch and make something rad out of it. I think he made a whistle once with like functional whistle. Yeah.

Dug out the holes and did the whole thing. You're right. It is Hillbilly 3D Print. That's what it is. The Hillbilly 2000. Pick it up at your local egghead. Well, thanks for that confirmation. Also, a guy about big hats and my big dumb head.

Scott, do you always talk about your big melon? You can't wear the underarmor hats and you're kind of bummed that you can't have cool hats. But you're an artist, man. It's a hat. Paint it to canvas. Just paint right over it. Whatever. Okay.

Here's a question. he didn't leave his name but in what way so what is he saying for you to just paint your head as a hat no no he means take a hat and paint the hat oh i see what you mean maybe because the hats don't fit is the problem right right painting a hat is not going to make it fit a small hat fit better it almost sounds like he's just saying paint your head to look like a hat yeah now all right because in my head i'm thinking well he means get one of these underarmors and paint over the logo and do a thing. But now that you say that, I think he's actually saying paint my head.

I'm not doing that shit. No. Or is he, maybe he is like a couple people. There's the same paint the hat that you already have. Okay. All right. All right. If that's what they mean.

It feels like he doesn't understand the problem because you, you know, your underwear hats, you're fine with those. Are you just saying that they're boring ass under armor hats? Well, it's just the only hat that fits me. So they're fine. Yeah. It's just that they're the same and I got like six of them. Gotcha.

Okay. So, yeah, so that is what he's saying. So, paint. Let's say I do that. Let's say I paint him. A, I need to know, maybe Bill would know this, but I need to know what kind of paint for that kind of, quote, quote, canvas, that material. You don't know. You don't use gouache.

Yeah, don't use gouache. I'll tell you right. Use fabric paint. And then when you do letters, put little circle dots on the ends of every letter. No, I can't ever do that ever. We have the same hatred for the same bad art. I hate that. That is the comic.

That is the comic sands of hand lettering. It is. You may as well tell me to bedazzle it. And unless I do that unironically, you know. But anyway, no, so how do I wash them, though? Because I do wash these hats. Yeah, so it's got to be like a waterproof acrylic paint. So this exists, then.

This stuff we're talking about? I can do this. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Maybe I will, actually. It's not a bad idea. Waterproof fabric paint, you called it? Waterproof fabric paint All right

Played base for them For a couple years I mean I guess if it's fabric paint It'll wash so I mean just Just the fact that it's fabric paint Fabric paint on Amazon Oh here we go

There's tons of it Oh you know I could do this This is an interesting idea Could I go black And then on top of it Because I got the logo to deal with Right the stupid The underarmored logo

No offense to under armor They're fine, it's fine logo But I'm gonna have to cover that Although I do have some where they're offset So I don't know if you've seen this, but I have some right in the center. And then these newer ones, it's off to the side for some reason. So you now have the freedom and work it into your art too. Figure out a way to turn that Under Armour into something, that UA logo.

I want to make like what looks like a big flesh wound bullet hole in front. So it looks like the hat has been torn open and you're seeing your head and your skull and maybe parts of your brain. Yeah, dude. Like somebody's taking an axe to my face or something. I like this idea. All right, if anyone out there has any specific recommendations for brands or any of that, let me know. Maybe I'll do one of these. Also, you just keep saying, see Monica in the chat room going, wow, wow.

I think Monica has been taken over by the spirit of Owen Wilson. Yeah, are you all right in there, Monica? Are you a lot of whir. I love this. She is like a robot. She's a bot. She is. She is.

Oh, it's Monica bot. Monica bot. That's the hot new AI assistant Monica bot. Wicked butt. Yeah. Where you say things like, what would you do? You'd look at your watch and go, hey Monica. And it would go, what can I do for you?

The horror movies from the 80s are bad. And then she just turn off and never talk to you again. That's how that would go. Right, right. Oh, you're discontinued from that site. Oh, Monobot. I like Monobot. That's a good one, Katrina.

Monobot. Nice one. All right. Here's one more thing. she said it only said too well okay yeah all right fine it felt like a lot more uh watched a thing yesterday a documentary about i could recommend it i suppose but i don't know i don't know it just felt kind of like a weird random thing i saw but it was on 2b and it was a documentary about mash and there was uh they interviewed all the guys that are still alive it's a recent documentary

and all the guys and ladies and um by the way loretta swit sharp as a freaking African tack at her age. She is amazing. That's cool. So this is a modern, a recent document. Yeah, like two years ago maybe, not even that. And they had archive footage of like William Christopher and, you know, others who had passed away. But it was really good.

It was really, it made me want to watch MASH again, which I think I'm going to do. But anyway, here is this part where Alan Alda says something that surprised me. And it kind of freaked me out for a second because I thought it meant he was incarcerated. But anyway, I'll play it, and then we can do our little Utah connection here. So here you go. I was in the Utah State Prison when they sent me the script. And it was the best script I'd read while in prison. I was making a movie in this prison.

And I got the script, and I was really knocked out by it. Certainly the best pilot I'd ever read. He's talking about the MASH pilot. But I didn't, I'd been like, at first, I'm like, you were in the Utah State prison? I know. Like, what are you doing in present? Holy cow. It shatters all my respect for...

Alan Alda. Glad to find out it's just a roll. Just a roll. I've just got to roll here in Utah State Prison. I tried to track the movie down. I don't even know what the movie is. I can't find it. But I want to see. Now that that prison has been torn down and they've got a new one that's going up.

Yeah. So. Yeah. Did you even imagine a prison movie with Alan Alda? I can't. Like, I can't imagine. It was hard enough seeing him be a bad guy in, uh, was the movie where they lived on the near a lake or a beach and he drowned somebody uh and he turns out to be the bad guy

oh i thought that was that's not harrison that's the harrison ford movie isn't it that's there is a what we do in the shadow you know what we do in the shadows that's the vampire thing but it's similar in the name like it's a what lies underneath i think is the that's the harrison ford one yeah you're right and they've made that a few times maybe it's the same kind of thing uh i don't know what this is alan alda yeah A whatnot says the glasshouse. Is that what that is? Must be older movie, right?

And I apologize because the big reveal is that Alan Alda. Yeah, that is with Lili Sobieski, Diane Lane, Stellan Skarsgaard. Oh, it's recent-ish that. Well, I guess it doesn't have to be that reason. Stellan's pretty old. I didn't think it was 2001. I thought it was something I saw in 90. Oh, weird.

90s. Weird. He's 88 now. Jeez, Louise. Also, Alan Alda's real name is Alfonso Joseph Di Abruzzo, by the way. Really? Wow. Yeah, not even close to the name he works under.

Although, his entire family does this. So his half-brother is Anthony Alda. Like, they're not even, no one wants the Alfonso-Josef de Abruzzo name. They're all just like, nah, Alda, we're doing it. Yeah. By the way, yeah. TV's Travis just reminding me with the actual. movie was and I'm not going to tell anybody because I don't want people to spoil that movie

or I don't want to spoil that movie for people but um uh also has diane lane interesting like the two movies we're talking about both have uh oh the harrison ford one is her too yeah that's true oh is she in that one in the i think so lies beneath as well am i thinking of the wrong lady the glass house the glass house also had dan lane oh weird don't wait really maybe i'm thinking of somebody else who was oh no you know what sorry it was a catwoman i think and um i can't think of her name who played catwoman in the tim burton movie uh in the tim burton michel phycelle phyfer i think oh yeah michel Pfeiffer was in that's right i mix them up her and dying all the time for some reason um completely separate note i'm gonna recommend the movie

murder at 1600 with wesley snipes oh that's got your uh that's film sacking dennis miller yeah dennis miller is detective stengel what all right jaccha looks like we got a body here at 1600. What? Come on. This thing is stinking up like a movie by Federico Felini played it. Wow.

Is this really he's in this? Am I supposed to take that seriously? He's a comedic or? Ronnie Cox. I like Ronnie Cox. Maybe we watch this for film sack. Yeah, that sounds about right, doesn't it? Charles Rocket.

It's fired from SNL for singing F-bomb. That's right. Tate Donovan, Alan Alda, as you mentioned. Let's see. That seems all right. Why don't we do this? I think we need to see this. Yeah, this was what year?

This was 97-ish or 80, 98? Totally sacable says TV's traffic. Yeah, I saw this in theaters too. Yeah, this is total sac-thus. Same year as Blade 1, I think. Or no, Blade 1 may have been 99. I don't remember now. I'm trying to see if it's streaming anywhere.

98 year later. Interesting. All right. I'm seeing a movie tonight, Scott. What are you seeing tonight? I'm seeing, don't speak. Speak. No. Speak no evil. Oh, I'm glad you are because I don't think I can bring myself to do it.

Documentary about the Glenn Stefani and no doubt. It's going to be great. I was hoping it was about the third monkey who covered his mouth. But no, it's this one with, it's too creepy looking. I like all these actors a lot. Like everybody in it is a banger of an actor. I know. McKinsey Davis and Scoot McNary reuniting from Halton Catch Fire. Yeah. They're great. I love them. I love Professor X. Junior. I love, um, oh yeah, right. They're all good. They're all amazing actors. I just, it looks so uncomfortable. The trailers, the trailers, you're going to have to say when you can,

you'll have to tell me. I'll talk about it tomorrow. Uh, because I love, I love horror movies and I love thrillers. And this seems like, you know, one of these, but I don't like a hand that rocks the cradle style. That's what this feels like. It's like this sneaky, skeevy. Yeah. It's funny because it almost feels like the thing that Tina hates, which is the What About Bob syndrome, where you've got somebody that everybody likes, but one person has figured out that they're a piece of crap. And nobody believes them when they say, no, you're not seeing this person is a piece of crap. How come you're not seeing that this person is a piece of crap? See, you have McKenzie going, I'm getting out of here. He's weird.

And the husband, Scoot McNary going, nah. I'm fine. He seems fine. I don't think there's anything weird about the fact that all four of our tires are blown out? Yeah, I can't do it. When you come back with your review, I'll make a decision. I will hold my judgment, but I'm just nervous about it. All right.

Well, let's get to some news. We have some before Wendy joins us in about 10 minutes. So sit back, relax, and enjoy this. It is time. Time for the news, and it's brought to you by. Brought to you by Coverville today with an episode featuring the music of Linnard Skinnerd. You know, there's not a person, Leonard Skinner. They kind of got it from the Hello Mudda, Hello Father, because it was a character in there named Leonard Skinner, and then there was also a PE teacher that a couple of the guys had that was Leonard Skinner.

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crazy it's it's freebird zero one third the calories of regular free bird yeah that very artificially shortened uh all right well good luck to that that sounds like fun um guy fieri fietti sorry i guess is how you say it fiatty he was mistaken for a bar bartender and told to get back to work while hanging out at Sylvester Stallone's house. It was not Sylvester Stallone who yelled at him. It was just some other stuff. It would have been great. You'll get back to work.

You get back to work. Food Network Star. It is pretty funny. Food Network Star, Guy Fietti, fight, or fit, sorry, fit right into the catering staff at Sylvester Stallone's house, it turns out. Also, we're just dealing with like the kind of money where you have. have catering staff. A catering staff at a party.

Yes, exactly. Fieri was mistake, Vieti, rather was mistaken for a staffer when he was invited to the Rocky Stars' home as a guest in 2020. The chef, author, and TV host said on a in-depth episode with Graham Benzinger this week. I don't know who that is. Graham Benzinger. I think I've heard of in-depth the show, but I haven't heard it. I don't know why that guy's name's not ringing a bell. Anyway, spiky-haired star, who's known for his unfussy foods and ward-dron.

drob choices, was wearing a denim jacket at the residence cigar room. Of course he has a cigar room. I will never have a cigar room. I'm just going to put that out there right now. I'll never have that in my life. Not because I don't want one to be fine. You're never going to get Midzula to visit. I would love to have a place for Mitsula and all my cigar loving friends. I'd love that. But I'm telling you right now, it's not the cards. All right, we're going to have to go outside. Yeah. Cards also. No cards and no cigars mean no Mitzula. Yeah, no Midsula, no cards, no... They make candy cigars, Monica.

They do. They do. They have a candy cigar room. That's true. And candy cigarettes? Open your little humidor and you've got, oh, here's a fine one that I picked up from Hubba Bubba. Yeah. Save you this for a special occasion.

That's how you know it's a boy. It's blue or pink. Remember, that's how we did gender reveals in the 80s, depending on which... That's right, the color of your chewing gum cigar. By the way, third wow from Monica. That's a lot of wows, Monica. Monobot. Three a while from Monobot.

I feel like we're seeing, what have you done with the flesh and blood, Monica? What have the Russian bot farmers have gone too far this time? Anyway, it says, so he's talking about this. He says, I'm looking around and this lady comes in and goes, lose the jacket, get going. He said in the video. She thought I was there to work. She thought I was a bartender. The woman who he did not name was embarrassed when she later found out

that the bartender outfitted in the denim jacket was in fact the mayor of Flavortown with an empire of TV shows including diners, drive-ins and dives and cookbooks we had a great laugh

says Vieti I don't know how great the laugh was he must have said oh you screwed up that's gangster and then walked out your mistake was off the chain I'm gonna

I mean I'll admit to something here when I'm in a hotel room and you're in for the night and there's nothing else going on I will watch back-to-back reruns of diners, drive-ins, and dives. Nothing at all wrong with that. And when we're next door at the crazy neighbor's basement,

because he has a bar that he built in his basement, a really great bar with lighting and all that stuff, that is perfect television stuff to put on because it doesn't interrupt the conversation. You can be having a conversation, and you can kind of just look over and say, oh, look at that sandwich, holy cow. And then get back to your conversation

as opposed to like putting on a comedy or a movie or something you want to pay attention to. It's perfect background. Yeah. And recent seasons have gotten a lot more food porning, like the quality of the videos a lot better. So when they do close-ups of the food, there's still the same quick edits and barely any time to look at anyone. And then they talk to people out in the restaurant or it's like, I never had a burger as good as this one. And then they cut back to him mixing food or whatever. It's that format, but the video quality anyway, big improvement.

I enjoy it. I don't know why. I know what's kind of trash. I like it, though. You know what's not trash? These small places, they get a boost from this. I like that. Exactly. Yeah. For sure. There are places in Utah, Colorado I've seen where they're just like, there are places that are like on their way out. And he comes in and does this. I'm not saying he's a saint or anything. But a show like that with enough viewers, you're going to get a bump that probably will save your restaurant if you're struggling. I think that's cool. He is by all accounts a really generous and good dude. dude. I wish he didn't vocally support the Orange Beast, but other than that. Oh, does he really? No. Yeah, he likes him. He's fan. Oh, no. I know. We can't have it all. I'm up next on. Diners driving the Dodgers.

We go to Ohio. Really? Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah, he's been vocal about it. But I also see him. Telly's right. She says, well, we hate him now. Yeah. It's like, I mean, I, I, well, we'll talk about that.

during the Wendy's segment. Oh, yeah, Wendy's segment today will be good for anyone listening to this. You'll like it. Yeah, exactly. I thought he was a smart guy. Darn. I think he is a very...

I think that there's... You know what? I'll wait for Wendy because I actually think it fits with what Wendy's bringing up. Yeah. We'll wait for it. I mean, and I'm super happy. Like, you've heard about the Taylor Swift post, the tweet, or the Facebook,

whatever social media. I don't think it was X anymore, whatever she was on. The Instagram. Whatever. It was Taylor Swift on X. Come up tonight on Inside Edition. It's great that she, you know,

drove 330,000 people to the vote. Dot Gov thing. But personally, I'm holding out for Haktua. I want to see who she's getting behind, who she's voting for, and that's who I'm going to. That's one on my boat on. I think that's already come out. She's pretty, she's pretty Trumpy, turns out.

Is she really? Yeah. also her thing drops today her new uh her episode so today's the day it's premier day oh this is the premiere of her podcast or talk to a talk toa comes out today yeah yeah and both those both those uh chucklehead guys she's working with um the paul boys they're there they're they're pretty trumpy as well yeah that's true good point if they're yeah and people should know that i'm making a joke that i'm not going to base my my uh uh uh you're political siding on neither Taylor Swift nor Huck to a girl, but, uh, no, if you believe that.

Really, it's, it's, it's Reagan, the Australian breakdancer. That's who I'm, that's who I'm going to be, uh, looking at for my political leanings. Yeah, she's, she's clearly got more to say than just popping and locking, you know. Who is, who is Jerry Halliwell? Who is Emma Bunton voting for if she was in America? I should be voting for someone named Nigel Farnsworth or some name exactly who they vote for over there um i did hear somewhere that uh not brock lesner who's the who's the irish guy uh mma fighter did we talk about this maybe we did no oh did we uh maybe we talked about an m a fighter thing in here for a while again they give his name what's name the the mhm a fighter was during randy's recommendal because i just usually tune out yeah well

no yeah it's easy to oh godreger Connor McGregor you and mcgregor uh Connor mcgregor It says he was going to do a comeback or something in the MMA, and he's decided instead he's going to run for president of Ireland. Really? Yeah. All right. So that'll be fun. That'll be fun. You guys, every country should have their own Jesse Ventura, I think.

What not? I don't ignore the chat. I'm looking at you right now. Why do people say that? I don't ignore the chat. I don't get completely obsessed with what you're saying in the chat, but I don't ignore it. And look, you guys also yelled Connor. McGregor, about the time that I figured it out. So take that, check. Take that. Yeah.

All right. Let's, oh, shit, it's 10.101 even. Let's go take a break. Good luck to all the rest of our news. That'll have to hold until Monday. We're going to. Some of these news articles, by the way, I've been dealing here for the entire week and we haven't gotten. You're not wrong. Some of these. Oh, you know what? One of them is the Connor McGregor story. That's why I thought we talked about it because it's been sitting in here. You know, we just did two stories then. We did it. We covered it. Yeah, perfect. All right, we're going to take a break. When we come back, my sister will be here. We got a great one today, I think.

It's timely and all that. So stick around for that. Brian will play a song, though, to keep you cozy in the meantime. What do you got? Yeah, this is an album. I'm not just listening to the single folks. I'm listening to the entire album because it is so, so good. This is a band called Atlas Genius.

This is an Australian-based brother act. They put together a special recipe for the new collection of songs. Album ingredients include, Lost love, guilt, passionate dash of social commentary, existential crises, reckless abandon, and honest self-criticism contain traces of lust. These guys are awesome. They're about to go on their first tour in six years. They're going to be co-headlining with Robert DeLong.

They actually just started it in Chicago. And going to be going all over the U.S. through October 21st when they conclude at the Echo Plex in Los Angeles. The album is called End of the Tunnel. This is a single from it. It's called On a Wave. Here is Atlas Genius. The sun is cut in the sky again.

The light is coming to rains a day. The movie stuck on the motorway. But I'm not ready to. leave my breath nobody's got a solution it doesn't stop all the talking heads so now i can barely hear myself another book that'll go unread on a way on a way we won't so we're so we don't so we don't I'll give the monuments And we bowel the love We know

It's nothing much but it's everything It's better if you feel it On a way On a way We can see an illusion We don't know what I have ourselves We embrace the confusion It's better if you're feeling

We're on a wave We're on a wave On a way We're on a way we roll On a way We roll It's a perfect moment In a sun that's gonna die

But we're all immortal When the love is still alive All for nothing All for sure If all else fails, at least we're old. We just need an illusion. We don't know where to help ourselves. We embrace the confusion.

It's better if you feel it. Nobody's got a solution. It doesn't stop by the talking Let's let there are spread your pollution We're all the way, we're all the way On the way On the way we rose On away

On the way we're all the way we roll. On the way we roll. On the way we roll. What happened to What happened to Nicole Kenman? And we're back. And we're back. Who was that one more time? That was Atlas, genius. Oh, sorry, no comma between the names.

That was Atlas Genius from their brand new album, End of the Tunnel with a song called On a Wave. Trust me, the whole album is fantastic. Nice. You like it all. Nice. Guarante. So there's no relate, that DeLong, a deal we'd ask in the chat, that DeLong guy's not related to Tom DeLong. This one, this one is spelled D.E.

capital, L-O-N-G as opposed to Delon G from Blink. Do you see me in a V-A guy? but did you see any of it last night the no okay i saw some of it though my big takeaway is i can't watch that stuff's got it's really a weird thing and i don't watch it that often but when i see i just saw pictures from it it looks so sweaty so sweaty oh really oh i don't know why i just get like a weird dirty weekend orgy vibe out of it i always do and everyone looks really sweaty and and pitting out and like covid everyone's breathing covid air on each other it just looks yeah i don't know if i could do. If I was a star, I'd stay home. I'd stay home, you know. Oh, man. I mean, there's a little

bit of a Howie Mandel meets Howard Stern kind of vibe right now with your, oh, I just see a I just see a big sea of COVID there when I look at that. Yeah, it looks like a super spreader event, everything about it. It does. It absolutely does. And you're the better for it because you'll, it's what's going to keep you from, from continuously getting it over and over like the rest of us. Yeah, I don't know how I've dodged this one. I mean, I slept in the same bed with Kim the first night. She was coughing all night. I still am not, I'm still holding my breath.

Super Constitution. Yeah. I may just see if I got like an asymptomatic positive test or something. That's never happened to me. I've never had asymptomatic COVID. So I'd love that. I'd love to have it. If I have it, I'd love it if it was asymptomatic.

That'd be great. Oh, sure. I have no problem staying away from everybody. We've been very careful. And, you know, it's not a problem. It's already self-isolating. What do I need? Yeah, what's the difference?

Really isn't any. All right. Well, let's find out what we got going here. Here's another Minnesota tradition that's not so easy to throw in the garbage. Well, look who it is. It's my sister Wendy joining us, as she does every Thursday. Hi, Wendy. How are you doing?

Hi. Good. Yeah. You're doing all right. You got, you know, schools back in session. Yes, amazing. You got two of them in there. has Elliott decided that it's time yet to change the world for the better because I think

that's what his job in the world is he's going to change everything for the better he really is such a good human he's the best kid he's decided he's 15 and that's what he's going to do all right uh great he just needs a driver's license and then we'll keep going oh is he doing the learner's permit is that where we're yeah he's he's taking a test in like a month and then we'll be for real I hope it really helps you guys really should meet Elliot he is he is he is just grade a quality human being just the sweetest he is he's the kind of kid that if he was my first i would have thought i was a good parent yeah yeah right he makes me feel like he makes me feel like a good uncle i get it it's the same feeling i know he he this is what

the girls say about him i've literally heard multiple girls say this someone's like oh do you know who elliott dumper is and she goes moms love him So let's just say he's not getting all the ladies. He's getting all the ladies. The ladies, right, exactly. Different generation of ladies. All right. Well, that's awesome.

I'm glad to hear that as always. And as you know, if you're a regular listener, Wendy, does this every Thursday. But if you're new to the program, she's a professional therapist, tells people all the time with their issues and comes on here, shlobs it with us and does it for free for one of your emails. And we're going to read one today. Wendy, you're ready for that. I actually got this from you, I think. You forwarded this to me, right? I did.

Yes. This is somebody would call C. I won't use their real name. It says, hi, Wendy. I enjoy your segment on TMS. I usually only listen to podcasts during my commute or while choring. I love that, choring. I do too.

I think it is a verb. Choring. I found I often have your segment span more than just one drive. And often take a longer route so I can finish it. You say root or route? How are we doing over there in the Midwest with root or route? I say, I say root 66, but I say route for everything else. same that's exactly what i do too yeah i don't know what other people know i would say root 60s i would never say

route 66 holy crap that's a weird thing to even hear anyway says i really enjoy your personal or your perspective and interaction with those other guys i like that thanks thanks that's fine he says okay okay here's my question i am worried about the upcoming november election aren't we all we have so many passionate supporters uh that will be realizing the truth about their candidate many are well educated and successful. Some are smart too. Even some good people. Sure. There are many who are both sides. There are many who are as ignorant and foolish as their candidate and will continue to follow and support them. But what about those who realize it has been a sham? What about those who need to know they were tricked by the election promotion machine? I suppose there

are people right now thinking this could be either side. That's the part I hate about this. Anyway, always They will Are you making a souffle over there? Yeah I heard like I heard a pan or something Is Guy Fierry bartending No I had to

Let the dog in and have made a noise Oh all right I love that answers that question I need to meet that dog Wait so the Haitians haven't gotten to your house yet They haven't eaten your pet yet That's a shame He's so cute I would eat him for sure

Oh yeah he's a very Beagles are edible man That's totally going to be a clip by the Yeah, they pee everywhere, but I would eat a bagel or a bagel, a bagel, a beagle. A bagel beagle. It's everything giggle. He says, let's see, where are we? Oh, they need to do something to cope with their efforts to support a losing cause. I've been thinking about this since the 2020 election. Many still believe they are following the best solution for our country. In the coming weeks, it will become more and more evident they are supporting the wrong person. We could easily throw them aside and discount their poor judgment, but they will need some kind of help to come to terms and not be ridiculed. even if they deserve it. Many have bailed, but many have definitely doubled down.

How do we help these people? Thank you, C. So already, even though I fundamentally agree with C, his perspective here, like this is, he may as well be me. I also,

there's a voice in my head going, anyone who feels differently than C or me, as he's going to see this email is as biased. They're just going to see it as, sure. Well, you're the one who's been, you've got the stuff covering your eyes.

You can't see the forest for the trees. You know, that's going to be somebody's reaction. I'm sure right now is they're hearing this. So, Wendy, how do you want to go here? Go ahead, Brian. It's funny, yeah, I was going to say really quick before Wendy. It's funny that this is coming up because Tina's mom leans more conservative. A little bit of, she definitely feels the kind of the immigration.

panic that that side tends to purport and create. She doesn't necessarily believe that they're eating the dogs, but she does feel like they're coming over the border, they're rapists and killers and insane asylum

inmates and things like that. However, in the past couple weeks, we've seen a little bit of a change and she is realizing, and the debate really helped, that maybe that guy is kind of an idiot and is talking out of his butt and she cares more about women's rights than anything else and is now on the other side and on the, let's just call it the light side of the force.

She's truly an independent. They're rare to find. They really are. Like that hasn't just said, lock it in. I'm digging in my heels. I don't care what he says, but I'm going to support him through and through. And it's, it helps that she's also got a couple friends who are doing the same thing. And they've kind of all done this together.

So I feel like a lot of this stuff happened for a lot of people have had this experience earlier on. Like I mean, I voted for Bush senior. I voted for I don't. Well, who's the guy at the busted hand? Oh, Bob Dole says Bob Dole. Thanks. I loved Bob Dole. So I voted for Bob Dole.

I really didn't like Clinton. So I voted for Dole. But I also voted for Obama. of the first time. I voted for Romney in the second election because I like Romney, you know, like I'm all over the map. But to me, if it wasn't already clear, like, this isn't it. This isn't that. This isn't Bush senior. That's not, that's not what this Republicans are broken, dude. This is F. Everybody you named has a lot of redeeming qualities. Yeah. I don't even believe,

I don't even like necessarily. Yeah, and I don't even like line. I don't even line up step by step with a lot of the names I just gave you. It's just I like character and I like people who seem to, you know, are smart, have qualifications, all those things. So, so this, this switch went off for me a long time ago and it's never been like a hard, hard line. I'm on this team or this team. It's like, you know, you make your own choices. So I think those people exist out there, but I'm always surprised to hear how late game the switch is or how long it took them to figure out or even more so the ones that don't and just double down, get into a corner, someone's going to get mad and send emails do it it's fine whatever but wendy where do you want to go

how do you want to run down the hill here well i'm going to give you all some hope we're going to start there and then we'll talk about specifically like the psychological things this person's referring to also is this person from the midwest because this is pretty passive aggressive i know it kind of is right somebody has been trained since their youth um okay so let me give be some hope. So it's Tuesday night. I had a bunch of work I had to do. And so I kind of forgot the debate was happening. And so I'm in the middle of something and I get a text from Abe who's off at college and he says, are you watching this? He's like, I need to call you. Can I call you? And I was like, yeah, sure. I'm in the middle of something else, but I'm happy to chat about it.

So we finally connect and he is just on fire. And you know, you're 18, 19. You voted in one, one midterm election in your life. You're new to this world. You're in college where you are talking, thinking, and debating. And, you know, he spends a lot of time, like his philosophy professor said he's got an Aristotle style, which he didn't know was the compliment, but I think it was. Anyway, so he's just a fairly philosophical kind of kid. And he's on fire.

He doesn't like to be on fire. He says it's his least favorite emotion. And he's just so mad. and he just doesn't understand and da-da-da-da-da. Okay, so we're chatting through the different things. And then he says, okay, but this is where it gets real, Mom. I, there's a, their apartment's really cute. And there's like a kitty corner window where their kitchen and living room is that you can see, if you look out it and look to the side, you're looking into the living room of the apartment on that's, so they're in this like kitty corner. So you can see into this other apartment, clearly an apartment full of girls, because there's lambs. and pro pillows and a plant.

Okay. Anyway, and so they've gotten to know these girls. They're really cool. They're from a small town in Minnesota that no one had heard of before. And all three of these, four of these boys are from like Milwaukee and St. Paul. You know, so bigger cities. And they get to know them. And this is what I love about it is that everybody's got boyfriends and girlfriends.

So no one's interested in each other. They're just going to be friends. And they don't, they haven't shared phone numbers. They do the cutest thing. They write notes and stick them on the window. So they all go, they're like a crew that goes to the football games. Like they're just having a fun, good college experience, right? That's great.

Well, the debate's on and the boys are all yelling in their apartment and then it quiets down. And they can hear in the other apartment that they're also watching the debate. So he puts a note up in the window. And he's like, are you guys watching the debate? And they respond, yes. And he's like, who? Who are you voting for? And then he hears nothing from them for a good one.

Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. And so then later a little note pops up, who are you voting for? And he's like, I'm voting for Kamala Harris. And then nothing. And no response. No. And that was the last he ever heard from.

Yeah, exactly. And so as we were talking, he's like, he went over there to somebody wanted to borrow something, so a pizza cutter. So he takes it over and he's like, it's just awkward. And I don't, I don't want. want to ruin this. I want these friends. Like, they matter to me. And so we talked through and I thought I would have to give him advice or like he was calling to, you know, you know, you're sort of like, well, son. Let me tell you how humans work or whatever. But what he said

was, let me tell you what I'm going to do. I'm like, oh, okay. What are you going to do? And I'm thinking it's going to be funny college something. Yeah. But what he says is I'm going to go sit on their floor. And I'm like, what? And he's like, yeah, because he's six, four and big. Like, he should get small. He's not just big. He's buff as hell. This kid is, if you didn't know how nice Abe was, you think he was kick your butt. Yeah. But he needs to get smaller. Like, he knows this, right? He goes, I'm going to go sit on the floor. And I'm going to say, your relationship, our friendship really means a lot to me. Like, it really does. I care about you guys. And it's so fun hanging out with you. Um,

And clearly we're voting for different people in this election. He's like, and we shouldn't care. We're teenagers. He's like, but also like, I just really want to understand. And he's like, and I'm just not going to talk. Mom, I'm just going to listen. I'm going to find out why they would. I know.

I'm so proud of him. Anyway, but here's the thing. He's also on fire. So he's like, I got to wait until I calm down before I can do this because he's so mad. And really what it is, one of the girls wants to be a teacher and they're all women. And he's like, I don't understand how he represents anything that you care about. And he's like, but I really do want to understand. So he's just really open to wanting to understand this.

Okay. The other piece to it is they're from a really small town. I understand their parents probably think the way they are thinking or they're not thinking at all because they're just living their lives. and I like to think back to the 90s when no college kids, unless you were in Polly Sye, we're probably talking about most of this. Do you what I'm saying? Like it was such a, this didn't ruin relationships. And it does.

And it can. And there are kids. And so anyway, I haven't talked to him. This was last night that they, he sat on their floor and did his peace offering. And he says, I've just learned a couple of things interacting with people. If it's face to face and if it's. it's really genuine curiosity and and love like it works and i'm like i know and so i didn't have to tell him he's like i've already done this multiple times i know what happens not not about maybe

the debate specifically but um but so i'm bragging on him for a reason because i think all right look at look at some young people we tend to be like all the young people and they they are they are in the thick of this yeah right and their parents are who they hear whatever they hear from, including my kid, who's like, he's like, why did you have to make me liberal, mom? It's so much harder. It's so easy just to think I'm right all the time and not ever ask questions. And I was like, that isn't just a liberal thing, honey, but also that is, you're right. It is harder to do the work of, you know, thinking and relationship.

Critical thinking takes energy. It takes time and energy and forethought and changing some of your perceptions. Like critical thinking isn't just simply. It's not just observational. There's a lot of internal stuff going on there, you know. Are you saying that I actually can't just say I'm doing my own research, but actually you have to do my own research? And if I could just add something to that, a very annoying phrase, could I add, I'm doing

my own research into myself and my problem, my, my misperceptions and my, all of my psychological frailty that makes me think the way I do. That would be a beautiful version of, I'm doing that research. Of that version? Yeah, for sure. Right. Which, okay, so let's take what the emailer actually is asking here. The assumption is like that everyone is your mother-in-law, Brian, that they are going to realize they were tricked or that they are going to see that they have been supporting a bad thing or a bad person or a bad cause, right?

That they'll have that awareness. And if there's one thing we've learned in the last eight years is that there are plenty of people who will never see anything. but what they're going to see, right? It's called motivated reasoning. You are incredibly motivated to protect yourself from some things will make you look stupid or make you feel shame or, you know, whatever that might be. So it takes a lot of character and maturity and strength of sort of will to actually do

your research on yourself or what you're, you know, maybe a part of or what you think. And this is where Abe's example is like such an important one. Real relationships and real face-to-face matter. Friends that will not just agree with everything you say becomes more and more rare as we sort ourselves into, I only talk to people who agree with me. And so these skills aren't high and they need to be higher for, obviously, for people to maintain relationships and get along. So one thing I have really loved recently that I listened to was Trevor No. has a podcast and he had Adam Grant on and Adam Grant is the you may have heard of him the social

psychologist has written a bunch of books everybody loves him um he they were discussing they have a great little bit on astrology so you should definitely check it out about believing in astrology or not it's pretty funny and then they go into this idea of how to answer this question um that at the core of this is how do we disagree with one another? How do we disagree in the healthy ways? And so check it out if you're bored. But essentially this idea that you focus on somebody's value, their values, and then recognize you're going to disagree on policy, right?

Right. Because what happens is you and I are going to disagree on a policy. And then I've moved that quickly to morality and I think you're an awful person, right? But if we really start with what the value is, yeah. And then we say, okay, well, my policy, so he did something, he's like, so, you know, Trevor, what would you, what policy would you love to implement, you know, start with your policy? And he came up with a policy and then he said, okay, now narrow it, pull this back until you get to your value. So what you will find is that somebody who is afraid of immigration and finds that that feels really threatening. And you ask them, okay, what are you afraid of?

And they give you sort of usually what they've heard from sources that are making money on telling you those things, right? Is that you're going to be afraid. And I don't know about your mother-in-law and where she lives, but how many immigrants is she spending time with? Does she have any real relationships with any of those folks? And does she, because that's what changes us, right? is real face-to-face connection. And so you'd find out like, okay, the policy, you want the border secure.

What's the value you have there? And when you really get down to it, it's like, I want order. I want there to be a process. I want this to be fair or legal or, you know, those are good values. Then you're like, well, but my policy, because I've been sold how to think about it

and have been told I'm the good guy, they're the bad guys because they don't agree with, right? So pulling it into values versus policy, I think can be really powerful. I do this with couples in communication all the time. The content or the policy is what you're fighting about, but the process, the actual what's going on between the two of you and your connection is what really matters or your core values. So it's a way to think about it.

There is one other thing here. I think that C is asking, though, is a little bit of what do we do we do when someone comes to the light side or right yeah exactly like the last thing you want to do is it kind of like and I told you so kind of approach and make them feel bad for their decision you just kind of want to be like oh cool and almost not not go either direction not be like oh awesome good I'm so so glad you know because then like it's a little bit chewing our cult yeah it's it's like it's like Anakin Skywalker and his force ghost at the end of return of the Jedi he's sitting there He's sitting there next to Yoda and Ben Kenobi.

And it's like, all right. Hey, we're all good here. Everything's good. Right. Right. I like that idea of thinking, thinking about like, what does that mean when someone. Yeah, because shame, I'm going to say, is probably the most common emotion that's going to happen to anyone when they realize they are wrong about something, right? Right.

And so if you're raised in a home where when you, you, make a mistake, you are, that is followed up with some communication and some increase in love and like, hey, we all made mistakes and like really normalizing that human process, you're going to have less trigger happy adults, right? Because they're like, oh, I screwed that up. Or I see that differently. I mean, ask anyone who has learned that skill later in life to accept when they have made mistakes or have screwed up or that they haven't done something quite right. Like, it's absolute freedom, like truly, truly, to not be beholden to I have to be right. My ego is threatened or my sense of safety or belonging is threatened, right?

So that's what we're looking at here. You're looking at someone going, I really got into the dark web and found myself in all these nicks and crannies. And like, I got really sucked in. What I need is support, right? What I need is someone to not further shame me because it is already shameful because no one wants to be wrong. Therefore, the doubling down. We double down because you have to protect yourself from that realization.

So there's always people doing this, right? Maybe we don't know them very well or it doesn't seem like that based on what our feeds are showing us. But there are people figuring this out throughout their lives. They grow up, they mature, they see a different side of things. Or my favorite is when people without kids judge parents and then they become parents. Yeah. Yeah. Or, yeah, there's so many versions of that. And a lot of these cases aren't going to be like a complete and total going from, you know,

fully supporting every view from one candidate to then moving over and fully supporting the views of the other candidate. It's probably going to be some sort of like the balance, like the jars of, beliefs now there's a little bit more of one more jar on the beliefs that match up with the side

of Kamala versus Trump kind of thing and it'll tip the scale in that favor which I think is the case of Tina's mom and her friends is that

they're still concerned about open borders and what that means and that sort of thing but they're also there are a lot more concerned about

women having not having the choices of what to do with their body dictated by people who can't find a uterus on a map. Yeah, let me give you an example where I struggle a little bit. It's a friendship I have

with somebody who went to the Naval Academy. He's a big time military guy spent years and years in the Navy. One of the nicest, most honorable dudes I know. Just a really great guy. And we hang out with them all the time and we're both huge Star Wars nerds.

We talk about Star Wars all the time and we saw Dune part two together in theaters and all this stuff. Like we're, he's kind of a big nerd, but he's also a big military guy and he's got a lot of background in that. And he also kind of just grew up with, you know, if it isn't my team, then I'm not, I'm not in. I can't do it. And he's really locked into that. And it's not, I'm not saying it's because of the military. There are plenty of people in the military with more open minds. But I think he's just, he's so locked into it from a very young age all the way up through whatever culture that provided that's very hard for him to do it.

And he's the kind of person who I see the most compassion and charity come out of this guy without any expectation for notoriety for it. He's so kind-hearted and so willing to help anyone who needs it. some of his best friends are gay as a French horn. That's the other thing. He's got these two friends and these guys are so gay, flamboyantly gay, although they're huge hunters and have tons of guns, which cracks me up. But anyway, well, that's an interesting. You mean people aren't a monolith?

Yeah, that's the point. That's my entire point. I'm glad you said that because it's such, all of it kind of shatters these stereotypes. But there is this one part where I think his vote is still going to the go to the direction that that is against those values that he has and and it's hard for me to I don't know how to broach it or if I even need to maybe I don't like I it's it's sort of in him as a thing and it's fine it only comes up here and there and and I've avoided it because I really like going to movies with him and talking about Star Wars and about you know how he helped his neighbor you know

I want to stay with the positive and not open up that bag of chips. Well, think about what your little nephew could teach you here. Like, what does it look like to sit on the floor? Yeah, see, that really got me to thinking because we do have plenty of opportunities for that. We have dinner over here all the time or there or all this sort of thing where we could do literally that.

I could sit on the floor at all six foot three and a half of me, not quite Abe six four, but anyway, sit on the floor and I'm not nearly as buff as him. You need more protein. Yeah, I need more protein and, you know, less low tea. Low tea, low tea. Anyway. But Eve's got all the testosterone and the rest of us just have to suffer. I'm sure it's a finite amount.

But anyway, the point is, like, I could do that. And I've never really thought about that angle of just like, so I'm not calling you out on any of this because I just am really curious how you're going to vote this fall and why. And then just only ask questions, not make judgment. not go, well, I think that's crazy. Do you really think, you know, I don't want to do that. I want to be able to just say, so why, why are you, you know, doing this? And he'll maybe make an answer and I'll say something like, so, and I don't, people hate gotchas. They don't like gotcha questions. They don't like being cornered. So how do you, this is a good question for you. How do you, and maybe, maybe Abe pulled this off, but how do you ask the questions that don't sound like you're a plan.

from the Daily Show at a rally trying to get the worst thing out of somebody. You know what I mean? Like you're not trying to call them on it. You're just trying to understand it. Right. And the key is priming. So, for example, Jordan Clipper goes to those rallies. Everyone is already primed to behave exactly how they're going to behave.

Right. It is a setting for that thing. I don't know if you saw this recently, and I cannot remember anybody's names in this, but it was a former Yankees player who had moved to another. franchise and everyone in New York's mad, I guess. And so they have a huge poster of him and they ask New Yorkers to stop and say

would you boo him if he came back in the stadium? And then they're like, absolutely I'm furious, right? And then they're like, well, booing him now. And so they look at the poster and they're like boo. And then they look back at the camera. They're like, yeah, does that feel good? You should do it again. Does it again? And then the baseball

player walks around the corner in real life. Yeah. And every single person responds the same. Which is, oh, hey, dude, and like a hug and a high five and a handshake. And that's what the power of in front face. That is. Like, who are you random person who's hating on a player? When that player's in front of you, you're now a fan again.

Like, there's, that's just what human people do. Dogs do this. I've seen dogs who get behind a tiny thin fence, like a plastic fence are going, you move the fence and they go. How's it going? Oh, hello. Yeah. I know, totally.

And that is exactly the priming effect of protectionism that we use to then be big. We're so big and tough, right? Or our opinions are so right. But in an actual conversation. So notice how you describe this person. He has every qualification to have a reasonable discussion with you. You also, I know, have every qualification to have a reasonable discussion. The challenges, and this is why I like the, the, the,

sitting on the floor concept of take down your agenda and only have the agenda to understand. And that's not easy to do. Most of us don't practice that on a regular basis. So it might be like, oh, they said a thing that's making me want to say a thing, you know, but learn to control that. I often have couples get a bag of dumb, dumb suckers. And while the other person's talking, they shove a sucker in their mouth. So they'll be forced to listen instead of open their mouth.

and it's difficult because we're defending or our egos on the line or or we can't believe they would think this but the truth is if you just ask questions that aren't like obnoxious you you prime the situation well which is totally interested in hearing what you what you have to say and I really I have no agenda to say what I have to say so it's really good you know like you could set it up and you could also you know prime him by being like you're all these wonderful things and I care deeply about you. Can you use a Star Wars analogy to help me understand how you're voting this fall? Yeah. No, that's not a terrible idea. Use your calling tools. Yeah, because on the one hand is, you know, this isn't somebody.

This is Palpatine we're talking about. Well, this, I was just going to say this isn't somebody who, who, he understands those archetypes, right? Like he understands Palpatine and Vader and, but he also understands the subtlety of Vader's redemption. like these are this sounds silly to even talk about in this compared to real life issues but it really isn't that far off to try to maybe apply that like why do you despise what palpatine tried to do do you see any of that here maybe i could ask that it's just the problem is if it there are people listening right i guarantee you are listening right now and they're just saying well no you're just so you're just so uh blinded by quote unquote the other side that you can't

see the truth for your for your nose or whatever uh that's a mixed metaphor for sure but yeah that's all right um i know they're thinking that and that's the problem because they see it the same way i see it like i see i see him as an abomination to the system and to the process and to everything else they for whatever reason think the exact opposite and i don't know how you get over that hump except i guess what you're saying it has to be personal it has to be some it has to be the people you know the people you're close with the people who can i don't know most benefit from a sit down on their floor and talk to them because i can't do it as strangers that's a complete waste of time with strangers i can't do it right and here's the thing about that is if anyone's listening

and thinking oh you're just brainwashed by the other side that this this goes the left stream media Yeah, it goes with everything because the reality is I could go find a YouTuber right now that would tell me everything and I could say, well, I have information you don't have, right? And because we're motivated by, to be right, we're motivated to have our biases confirmed. Right. This has been before the internet, friends, we knew a bunch of this stuff about human nature. It's just now on, you know, levels that are ridiculous because it can be going,

so many different directions. Here is the thing. And this is why I don't know if I've ever felt evangelical about political candidates ever in my life, but I loved him all so much. And that's because I have my own experience with him. This isn't, no one told me to like him or gave me examples of things. I know people who have met him. I've know people who have worked with him. Like this isn't out of nowhere, right? And that's rare. I think that's a rare experience. I also have probably more money than he has like I'm worried about it you know what I mean like the guy is way too normal and I can relate to that now if you if I say see that's a reason to behind behind Tim Waltz that is what people have experienced with Trump they feel like they know him they feel like

he's their guy yeah they feel like his golden toilet is the example of everyone's their dream like if I could have a goal to it exactly and he's not following any of the rules, which, by the way, the rules I've tried to follow my life have gotten me nowhere. That's the irony of the populist rhetoric is it's often being spoken by people who would spend 10 seconds with anyone in the real population, right? And if you said to somebody, how has Trump actually, the policies he's saying anything he's doing, how does that, has that directly benefited your life? And people are going to claim that's true or whatever. And I would say that about anyone, how did Obama's, you know, tenure in office directly help me?

Well, I can tell you, Obamacare was really helpful because I was being denied for preexisting conditions all the time in my life. So I can point directly to a policy. And that's the hard thing. Is the values is what we're really getting at? The policies sometimes work or don't. This is how a cult of personality works, right? Like, people think everyone hates Putin in Russia. Many people really do love him.

And part of that is because standard of living has gone up under his tenure. They can go on vacations. People left lower middle class, moved to middle class. There is reason because when a policy benefits you, you tend to get loyal. Here's what's tricky, though. And it sounds like your friend has always been loyal to his team. And then his team got the craziest quarterback of all time. and you don't know

it would feel disingenuous it would feel wrong to say this person over here who clearly from that debate is more qualified to speak like more qualified emotionally more qualified in so many ways that to govern

and to do work that is really difficult right Trump just doesn't have those same qualifications does he have the bluster does he have the charisma does he have a bunch of other things that work in politics yeah clearly or we wouldn't be talking about

him um but if your teammate is your the other one's evil and that's the that dynamic didactic of like evil versus good and we're always on the good side i mean that is star wars dude right so anyway so you do have this like this is complicated there's a lot of psychology that goes into it anyone who is all in on anything ask any rabid sports fan guess what happens when the broncos lose for a whole decade, right? You might lose some fans, but you don't lose hope. I mean, Vikings, you're just never going to love, but you can always have hope, right? So we practice this in lots of little ways with sports or with, you know, playing kickball

on the kickball team. I have record of Pete's fifth grade kickball team. Kids wrote, like, I found a note that had a list of all the reasons the other team cheated. and evidence, and someone's like, I'm going to get, I'm not kidding. These kids had like a full on what felt like adult political fight about a rigged game. It was wild. And guess the only one who cared in the end were the kids who lost. The kids who won and were like, where are the kids?

And that's part of just, I mean, think about it, it starts young, it keeps going. This doesn't come from nowhere. We just heard at an interesting time where we feel like it's extra. special because we're alive and we're adults and we're paying attention like ab's like what this never happened before i'm like oh this has happened this maybe not oh yeah it's maybe not there are some aspects to it and some surrounding circumstances like the the kind of world we live in now the kind of communication we have now like those aspects are definitely different um and there are maybe some extreme parts of this that are very different and some norms that are shattered that are

different and that sort of thing but they're we're not new to wackadoe societal upheavals and political machinations and i don't even just mean this country we are talking like america we get pretty myopic right we're like oh it's all it's all happening here and it's all for the first time but you know the human history is many thousands of years and and millions past that that we don't have recorded history for and i promise you there have been i mean just go to the 60s I was just watching, what did I recommend in the other week? Fog of War, this amazing documentary from Errol Morris about, I always forget the guy's name, the guy that was Secretary of Defense at the time,

and all about the Vietnam War and the cluster F that that was and just that whole thing. And it's so good and so fascinating and so interesting. And also it really reminds you that a bunch of stuff was going down that today we'd be just as freaked out about. Like it was wild. some wild stuff in the late 60s and you know it's just when you're

when you're in it it feels like it's yours you know that's why we're bad at learning from history because we didn't experience it until we do we don't quite get it

and then the next generation forgets too and they do the same thing and it's just how we do it and America and it's particularly individualistic myopic view we tend to get way bogged down

on that mud you know yeah and you take the like the discipline or the maturity or the like to show compassion or to or to step in someone's shoes or to sort of try to see it differently you know it's just it's effort and what's effortless is it's just like I'm right I always feel like it's it kind of just tastes good to be like they're stupid and I'm smart you know and so that that is just young it's just immature and what is required of us, I think, as we grow older.

You know, you realize wisdom does not come with age. Wisdom is something else. It comes with changing and looking at yourself. And so I like to tell people or I like to do this myself, so I think, okay, when I feel really right about something, that's my first clue that I don't have enough information. That's my first clue that I haven't met somebody in those circumstances. So I had a chance for a small minute in a really lovely, easy way to be an immigrant in another country. And I didn't understand the language sometimes.

My children had to translate for me. I got things wrong, made costly mistakes, learned a lot, felt left out, felt like, you know, ignored. Like, I got a taste of it. And then I could just be like, well, I'm an American and I could speak English and I will get back this situation. Like I had so many privileges in that place. So don't get me wrong. I don't think I was truly experiencing that. I was there.

I wasn't fleeing for my life. But it did give me just a taste of like, okay, wow. And then spending most of my time with refugees in Sweden. Sweden, speaking of open borders, there's only one country in this world that has them in this Sweden. America does not have open borders at all. Anyway, but just like that idea of like testing out this new thing, I'm forever changed because of that. Now, not everyone can put themselves direct. directly in that position. But would you volunteer for five minutes in your community with

the International Rescue Foundation or I am getting them mixed up? The Rescue Fund, I mean, there's a million, million people at any given moment in this country trying to help people who are seeking asylum and building better lives. And just give them five minutes. You should try it. It'll change. It will change you. And that's part of, okay, so take that topic, that policy and check your values with it, right? If you think you're really right, you think you're better than someone, and you don't think you can be kind letting them change their minds. Well, then you are the problem.

So find somewhere where you can test this, like, a little bit. So I'm going to have you guys do this. Where are you to sure you're right? And, like, for example, Scott, you and your friend. I think you still think you're right. But what you want to do is humble up enough to try to understand how he thinks. where he's coming from, sure. Yeah, like, where does this really come from?

Because I'm guessing it's still from a good place. Yeah. But it also, and it's values based. But for policy reasons, using my analogy, it feels like he can't do that. And this is someone who's very disciplined, right? Oh, very. Yeah. He's, I mean, that Navy stuff is evident in a lot of his life in all very positive ways. What's crazy is, in his case, it's never, it's not like.

confrontive. This isn't one of those situations where you're frustrated or any of that. He kind of does sort of keep it to himself, but it just comes out in different ways. It's like, you know, my attitude has been sort of, well, I'll take anybody over Trump. I don't care who it is. Give me a muddy, a muddy frog. That's fine. Let's do that. And his attitude is like, oh, Joe Biden's too old. He's too old. He can't do this. This is not right. He's too old. And now that he's out, and now the old one is the other guy, you didn't talk about that stuff anymore. So there's this part of me that wants to go,

why are you talking about it now? But that's not the right thing for me to do. It's not the right thing for me to do any more than it's the right thing for someone on the flip side of this to do to do their gut reaction. And so really this isn't even about politics. This is about how to tame your own, your own opinions. Yeah.

Or your own beliefs. Desire to like go blah with it. and instead go, all right, one step at a time. Let me see where you're coming from. What's making you say this? Yeah, and this is just, you know, Wendy was born with this magic ability. She's done this her whole life.

You've always been like this, but for some of us, it's hard. We want to be emotional. Or we're so fed up with it. It's just like, bah, you just want to yell in somebody's face. Yeah, right? And not revel in their problem. Like, here's the other problem I run into. I have somebody that I know, Wendy, you're familiar with this person,

who lost a time. ton of money based on a lie and it surrounds this whole political thing lost a ton of money investing in a complete scam that was all about Trump was going to fix a thing and got so suckered into it that honestly it's like starting over and it's they're not in their 20s anymore they can't really start over very easily and it has taken a lot for me to go to not want to go well I told you you know what I mean like I want to I want there's a feeling in all of us, I think, where we, it's not like grandstanding, but this feeling of like, well, of course that happened because, yeah, no, last, yeah, it's insult to injury, basically,

is, yeah, it's really hard, which you don't want to do. And thank you for not doing that. And if anybody knows where I can offload these Trump NFTs, uh, I've got the one where he's kept in America. Yeah. I've got the one where he's wearing a cowboy hat and playing a guitar. Oh, that's a big, good one. That's a rare one. That's a rare one. Yeah. Mint, uh, foil, uh, fake virtual. Oh, wait. I I just right clicked it and saved it. Everything's fine. Never mind. I don't need it. That's amazing. Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. And that, that's where there's very real consequences. And I think the emailers alluding to some of that too of just like how difficult. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. It's not like anyone. Well, okay. And we could talk about this all day, but maybe someone, whatever. But what like certain personality types. I mean, the fact of the matter is when my my friend who's a refugee. from Syria, no Trump was running for president, said to me, you better brace yourself, that guy's going to win. And I was like, there's no way. There's no way. And he, and what, what is,

what he recognized was the cult of personality. He recognized that because that's how Syria's run. Now, is it a way less fun version than Donald Trump? Yeah, it is. It's a terrifying version. But it's a similar, like, people will do anything. Why would Trump say I could kill someone on Fifth Avenue and I wouldn't be in trouble like no one else is allowed to say that that's crazy right but that that thing that can really draw someone in is not as simple as I really dig the guys policies it's you start with people who are very loyal to the party then you have you you start building with charisma and calling everyone losers and creating the us against them in such a different difficult way and has no shame and that's

That's not what we're used to, at least not publicly in the same way, right? Right. That's why canceling is such an interesting phenomenon because it requires the other person to have shame to be canceled. Right. Right. If they don't care about being canceled, it doesn't completely. It doesn't matter. And they don't go away. And we forget because there's someone else to talk about or whatever. Right. And so that dynamic is real for a lot of people. And and and so the reality is that's what you're continuing with. It's a little different than some other things. things. And so, you know, Kamala Harris does not have a cult. You might argue the Swifty's for Harris might. Well, that's just because you're borrowing, you're borrowing from the Swifty. Yeah, exactly. Right. Exactly. But if you asked your friend this, I was wondering this. If you asked him, I mean, as the leader of the military, that is the president of the United States. Yeah. And him personally is, is Trump who he wants leading the military? Or is the

former head of the DA. I suspect he would say, well, there's, there's too many other really smart, well-seasoned, amazing people around him. So it would, that it's kind of a puppet thing anyway. But then I would maybe have the question with him, why so fervently is in support of it? What does that, what does that net you? Like, it's just, I don't know where, like on the one hand, if you say, well, if he's, if it doesn't matter, if it's ineffectual, whether he's chosen or not.

and it's all about those military leaders, they don't change those out every five minutes. In fact, the only person claiming they're going to change them all out is him at this moment because it's just a fun thing for people to hear. Yeah, we're cleaning house, drain the swamp, all that bullshit. But there is that very real psychological thing that's happening.

Like if you watch interviews with people at rallies and they are confronted with some of his rhetoric, they will defend him by saying, well, he doesn't mean that, what he really cares about. And then they'll fill in the blank. is what they care about. Yeah, because those goalposts have wheels on them, I swear, at this point. They do, but here's the thing.

That is a fascinating thing when you don't believe the words coming out of his mouth, but you've replaced it with what you want it to be. At that point, that's not real. And that's why when you look at the history of politics, it used to matter what somebody said. They would, you know, they wear a tan suit and we'd be upset about it. would get caught on a hot mic doing, you know, there used to be consequences. That doesn't exist. And so what have humans done if they're already on that team is they justify it with

their own belief about this person. It's the halo effect. They've just granted. And then vice versa, everyone the other side is like, that's the devil. And they're, you know, and so either direction this ever goes, people are going to do something similar. It just feels pretty scary. So I would recommend everyone find yourself a close friend who you disagree on a policy with and practice this and maybe talk it through first like okay i just want to try this let's talk about first of all what do we both value about this thing right what what and and that's part of the sitting on the floor is like getting connected to like we both value our our friendship we both value um like debate's fun, right?

Like, you can, you can prime it with starting with. We both love Star Wars. We both love all these good things. And then, you know, and I know what I'm saying for most people, you're just like, yeah, no, I will not do this. This is not the time. I can't. It's a little too. Fair enough.

It's a little too raw right now. Fair enough. But listen, if Trump wins in November, first of all, do we believe it's that he's won or not? I forget how that works when you deny all elections and then you win. Does it only count when you win? Okay. But let's say he wins. Everybody's going to have to have some conversations and to figure out how to navigate

the next four years in your relationships. The president has very little effect on the economy, but everyone thinks he does. And it should be she, by the way. I would like to have that be very. Oh, I'd love to finally get a she so we can have a historic she. That'd be great. Yeah. I mean, honestly, I would have, I wish it was not much earlier.

Like I remember when Geraldine Ferraro was running for VP with, I can't remember the dude. Mondale? I think you're right. I think it was Mondale. And I remember thinking, oh, that would be so cool if we could figure that out. And then a huge swath of time with just no chance of any woman getting very far. I just can't wait to have a first gentleman decorating the White House for Christmas. Yeah, I want that so bad.

Like how the lights aren't going to work. He's going to be like, where's the bulb that's giving. me trouble. I just got some skull garland that was left over at the Spirit Halloween and hung that up. Is that cool? Yeah, that all right?

I was over at T.J. Max, they had a deal on these skeletons. And it's last minute. It's going to be the night before. Yeah, I love that. That is something. Also, I would love, I can't wait for the, like, oh, she must be on her period. That's why she's so mad.

And also, when she doesn't start a war, we'll just have proof that when a woman's leadership. She doesn't start wars and every single war ever has been started by a man. Those emotional creatures. It's just so frustrating. Yeah. But see, this is... I would love all that to happen. But guess what that means? If she wins, there's all sorts of things that then adjust and shift in relationships. We still have stuff to deal with. Yeah. You're never done unless we stop paying attention. That's my only other option. You're saying my homework should not be to pull up to the next pickup truck that's got Trump flags in the back and say, You know, I wish I would have had my Kamala Harris flags because that might have changed your mind.

Yeah. When did Nixon resign? Was it 72? Do I have that right? Nixon resignation. 74. Okay. So Nixon resigns when Brian and I are four years old.

Yeah. Guess what I have zero memory and impact from in my young life. Nixon resigning in 1974. That was a huge deal, right? One of the biggest deals in the history of this country had zero impact on me. And I'll tell you what else, all during the 90s, or excuse me, the 80s, I didn't think nothing. Like, yes, privileged white boy growing up, not having to worry about stuff, all right? But I didn't think about what Reagan was doing.

I just knew there were jelly beans involved. It's all I knew. We saw cartoons of the presidents like, I am not a crook. And we saw it, well, hell, there you go again and all that stuff. that was our, you know, we got, we got the, the political cartoon version of everything up until we were old enough to vote, really, or, yeah, it had really, really no impact. When did it start having impact? Ooh, Bush senior sending people my age into Kuwait. This is a, oh, wow, my first time to vote. Like it starts to affect you. Like, it starts to affect you. And then they, I guess the reason where I'm going with this is right now, man, I wish I was in one of those modes. Like, just don't have to. think about it. I'd say completely. If anyone can do that, what a privileged position you have.

But I'm just saying it seems sounds nice to be for and not know who Nixon is. You know? Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is Dan right now, right? Like, basically, you could just look at him and just say this, you're, you're the greatest generation right now.

Yeah. Because you're just blissfully unaware. Oh, that poor kid. We're going to have to have a whole episode on how to. to get ready for the eventual heartbreak that is learning that not everyone around you is nice or wants to be your friend because right now he's at this age. We were at the park the other day. We stayed overnight, went to the park the next morning, and he's learning to ride his scooter and we're hanging out of this park. And a bunch of kids showed up in scooters. They're probably

10 or 11, but they're all as short as him because for whatever reason at 5, he's super tall. Genetics in our side of the family. And he immediately goes, oh, look, my friends, he says. Literally those are the words. My friends. He doesn't know these kids. He rides over. there in his little helmet and he goes hi friends do you want to play you want to hang out like that he calls them friends first words out of his mouth and they're all like yeah dude who's this weird kid and they start kind of like scooching away from him and getting weird and and i'm like okay van you know i'm trying to like soften it come over here buddy it's all good and he doesn't have any idea yet sure sure like he is so blissfully willing to be everybody's friend all the time

someone's going to break that kid's heart and it's going to take a army to keep me from going to that school and scaring the shit out of whoever did it. I'm going to be so pissed. Anyway, that's a whole other subject. Nothing to do with any of this. Yeah, and we should tackle it because I think, yeah, you can, there's a lot that can be done to help kids understand the

world a little bit. And there's also stuff we just can't do anything about. Yeah. It's like you can prep them as much as you want, but there's some things they've got to learn and experience for themselves that are being like, oh, It's going to suck. Yeah. You know, I'll be there when this, when this all sucks.

So far, first grade is, be there. First grade has been okay. So far, he's been there, what, four weeks? That's not enough to, to tear anybody apart. But, you know, the further you get in, when you start to see a junior high over the hill and you're like, I'm sure that's a fun place. No, it's not. It's the worst. It's the freaking worst.

When do girls start getting mean? Is it like fourth grade? Oh, immediately. That's just. it. Let me just put one more plug for Kamala. The girl has skills. She's been practicing since first grade. No, I think third and fourth grade is really like developmentally the time where stuff like this shifts more. So good luck everybody. Yeah, good luck everyone. Get like 30 days or less or no, it's more than that. Forty something days until the election.

I know. Let's like love each other and it's going to be fine. Yeah, it'll all be fun. Wendy, it's always a pleasure to talk to you. His dad used to put it. And I gotta go. We talked forever. Yeah, you gotta get the F out of here. What are you even doing here?

Bye. Have a great week. We'll see you next time. See you. All right. And we did go long. Jeez. Sometimes these are just that good.

I don't feel like they're going long, you know? Yeah, I know. I know. It's like. Just want to keep talking. Yeah, for sure. It's like core in here. All right.

Let's listen. Except your co-host only plays Star Wars Outlaws and Marvel Snap, which is tough. That's right. That's right. You're enjoying... Dungeons. Are you enjoying Outlaws, by the way? I meant to ask. I am. Yeah. Oh, my God. They had a patch. And I had stopped at a point that I was having a problem with a stealth mission, you know. You probably have already passed this hours ago, but it's one where you're... You trigger the movement of an automatically hovering...

pallet of stuff and you've got to stay behind it and even though I thought I was staying right behind it I was getting the bleeding you know what's that over there fail fail state stealth missions are kind of the worst I kind of hate those they suck exactly and that game or any game I don't like it in general but yeah yeah they downloaded it like an update appeared yesterday or day before yesterday I'm like oh yeah let's install this and that same mission's like oh easy peasy lemon squeasy I'm through it yeah that last episode last episode, the last, um, update, update fixed a bunch of those issues. I think it's a, I think it's a cool game.

I think it's, uh, divisive, but it's for all the wrong reasons. I think it's actually really solid and creates a pretty interesting world and character and story and stuff. I like it a lot. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't have to be even, it doesn't even have to be Star Wars really, you know, it's, yeah, at least from what I, so far from what I've, where I've gone and what I've done, names, uh, outfits, et cetera, Sabak, you know, that sort of thing. Yeah, sure, it's Star Wars.

but it doesn't right now nothing i've done in this game says oh i could only do this in the star wars game yeah yeah that's true a lot of it is you know which i'm fine with i mean that's you know i think what works in its favor there are ingredients from other oobisoft successful things that are all mixed in and and they kind of work uh and then i think having the star war skin makes it feel at least feel like i'm doing new things and not just Assassin's Creed. Right, or just cause or whatever. Whatever games they are, yeah.

Anyway, speaking of which, there are new shows coming up today that you're going to want to check out. Today at noon, you're going to want to check out Coverville. Brian's going to do all kinds of... Leonard Skinner. That's right. I like Leonard Skinner-Skinnered a lot, so this should be a good one. I do, too.

It's, you know, as I was putting these songs together, it's like, oh, I actually really like this, you know, what's your name? and Tuesday's gone and Better Man or Simple Man, sorry, Simple Man. Can't find a better man. I always thought he said buttered ham. I still do. I can't find a buttered ham.

Let me write that down for a future film sack. I already know my song. By the way, I already know my song for this weekend. I haven't watched Darkman yet. Oh, really? You've already got one? Oh, I wonder if I'm not going to try to guess it on the air, but I'm just in my head I'm going to try to think.

It's probably guessable. Dark man. Yeah, probably guessable. Hey, look at my life. No, not that. You want to use that. Dark man. Anyway, tonight, Core, 5 p.m. Mountain.

So check that out. We'll be here talking probably for the three hours. So you'll get that big huge piece of content. Yeah, lots to talk about there. And I got couch party tomorrow. Me, Brian, Monica, and a bunch of you, hopefully, who are patrons, will enjoy the final half of Devil in the Closet. What's it called?

devil's house the devil's baby sitter the devil's babysitter's monkey's monkey's uncle we're watching that whatever that was last half of that tomorrow

and then wow I know weird what else play retro will happen at 1.30 that same day and film sack this weekend

don't forget that that's dark man and very excited about dark man to be honest me too I'm really excited about it I love I remember loving this film

the two times that I've seen it before once in theaters and once on video and so I'm excited to see it again and somewhere in there tomorrow before couch party I'm going to do a guess the connection you can tune

into Twitch try and win prizes I can't remember what I'm giving away I don't think I don't know if I have a winner yet for last week so might be adding on to those prizes with a cool 3D printed thing oh that sounds all right yeah something physical Brian's getting physical I'm always this is me

decluttering is getting this stuff out. Oh, that's right. Like all your old loot boxes and stuff, right? That's right. Every prize for the next month, by the way, is going to come with an Apple charger brick. Nice. USBC. Apple charging brick. Yeah, thanks for those couple extras, by the way.

Oh, man. You know, I honestly could have put 10 in there and still had a mountain of them here. That's awesome. All right. That is going to do it for us. Frogpants.com slash TMS for all other TMS related things. it's all there for you, including a way to request songs, which Brian's probably got one lined up for today.

What do you got? Oh, as a matter of fact, I do. Let's look at what that is. It is, oh, fun. Do you want some cowbell, Scott? Always. Cowbell for you. Let's do it.

Good morning, Scrabble and Bop. Oh, Bop it. Sorry, Scrabble and Bopit and everyone else in the Tadpool. Today is the 40th trip around the sun for Stephen Rees, Azure Wind and the Tadpool, Mr. Clio. uh 40th trip around the sun and man do i feel it my request today brings us a great earworm as well as presenting the classic in a way that would make a fantastic villain focus trailer i couldn't have asked for a better family than the tadpool with papa brine and mama scott to take care of us wow oh that's fun sure cleo and i love you all and hope we can see everyone at tms vegas 2025 yeah Not telling anyone dates until I lock it down with the people playing Taskmasters.

Don't even ask me what the dates are until I get stuff locked down. Yeah, this is great. This is a cover of Don't Fear the Reaper. Of course, the song by Blue Oyster Cult that needs more cowbell. Covered by Tom Rhodes, this was a single that he released last year. And this is great. I don't know why I didn't hear this version before, but it is so, so good. This would have made the Coverville countdown last year if I had heard it before.

Here is Don't Fear the Reaper by Tom Rhodes. All our times have gone Here but now they're gone Seasons don't feel the reaper No do the wind or the sun or the rain We can be like they are Come on baby Don't feel the Reaper

Baby take my head Don't feel the Reaper We'll be able to fly Don't feel the Reaper Baby I'm your man Valentine is done Here but now they're gone Romeo and Juliet

Are together for eternity He can be like they are Come on baby Baby, take my hand. Don't feel the Reaper. We'll be able to fly. Don't feel the Reaper. Baby, I'm your man.

Love of two is one Here, but now they're gone Came the last night of sadness And it was clear that you couldn't go home The door was open and the wind appeared Candles blew and then disappear The curtains flew and then he appeared Saying don't be afraid

Come on baby And she had no fear And she ran ahead They look back or two say goodbye She become like they are She had taken his hand She'd become that they are Come on baby

Come on baby Don't see the reaper Come on baby Don't see the leaper Come on, baby Don't see the Reaper Come on baby Don't see the Reaper

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