The Morning Stream - TMS 2707: Pizza Pi

Episode Date: September 23, 2024

Covid Butt Version. Pin Trading: In it for the Pricks. Projectile Van-mtting. Tasty Taxi. Left, Right, and Central Tenants. Slob of Wasted Flesh. Shut up dude! Frontierland Pin Dealer. Screw You Jerk! Mmmmmm Flat Veronica. The most inked age group. Open Concept Floorplan. Too many one night stands with other airports. Buffalo Wing Restaurant, the Restaurant. Even with an Abacus with Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

They don't make patrons like ours. Well, I guess they do because they're ours. But listen, you want to become one of those guys and gals? Join us at patreon.com slash TMS today. Coming up on the morning stream, COVID butt version. Pin trading, in it for the pricks. Projectile vanmitting. Tasty taxi.

Left, right, and central tenants. Slob of wasted flesh. Shut up, dude. Frontierland pin dealer. Screw you, jerk. Mmm. Flat Veronica. The most inked age group.

Open concept floor plan. Too many one-night stands with other airports. Buffalo Wing Restaurant. The restaurant. Even with the abacus with Bobby and more on this episode of the Morning Stream. The visitors arrived in 50 gigantic motherships, which stunned the world with their monumental size and power. We have come in peace because we need your help.

And in return, we will gladly share with you all the fruits of our knowledge. Talk about an offer we can't refuse, huh? All I need right now is power. The Morning Stream, that's the bravest thing I've ever seen a vegetable do. Hello, everybody, welcome to TMS. It is the morning stream for September 23rd, 2020. Ooh, that was an easy one to mess up, but I got through it. You did it well, yes.

Yeah, I'm impressed with myself. I'm Scott Johnson, the recently recovered from COVID-Man, and that's Brian Abbott, the longtime recovery of COVID-Man. That's right, yes. Yeah, it's good to see on a normal show. I know, right? It was so stupid last week. We had Wednesday's show, and then I thought, I got a little cocky Wednesday.

I was like, oh, I'm fine. Let's do this. I'm feeling better, blah, blah, blah. now now in fact it kind of wrecked me that day that night was a mess i was just like it was the combo too because you did tms and then you did uh d tns right afterwards and just did not you know you jumped a little quickly back into the the the heart of things yeah flew a little too close to the sun like icarus they say right yes exactly uh we'll see if this we'll see if this week's any better but yeah it was it was lame um we should be here all week though and thanks everybody for your

patients. COVID's weird. I know we all know this, but COVID is weird. Like when you get the flu, you kind of have a good idea of what the process is. Like you know where it starts, where it's in the middle of it and where it's done. COVID's like, hey, what if it felt well mild at first? Okay, cool. I'll take that over severe. And then a few days later, you're like, man, this is just like head cold, no big deal. And then the worst fatigue of your life kicks in. Yeah. And then the worst brain fog of your life kicks in and you're like am i going to lose taste and smell again this time no sometimes yes you never know yeah and like your friends it's a one-two punch man and you have some friends that have like the butt version or the stomach version of the thing

butt version of covid yeah it was one of jena's uh co-workers got the um and then we knew somebody got uh out east who had the the um just the gastric overhaul version of covid that sounds so miserable i don't want to though. Here's the best part though. All of that. Here's the best part of suffering from COVID, even though I didn't really suffer that much, but it just felt like a slob of wasted flesh. I just felt like crap all week. So one of the things we had had planned well ahead was the little ones were going to stay with us for four days. And it was to give Taylor and Dylan some time for their 10th anniversary.

And we were happy to do it. Love seeing his kids. Love having them over. 10th anniversary already. Oh my God. I know. It's insane, dude. Late 2014, how is this even possible? that was about 40 pounds ago for me anyway so they so we're doing that and the kids are over and everything's fine but van's a little slow and kind of down most of the day and he's on his switch and doesn't really want to eat he's just kind of like off

and I'm like oh man thankfully it's probably just nothing he's just a kid he's tired no big deal no COVID but you know it's fine sure two o'clock in the morning kid comes to the side of my bed and he's just his eyes are closed and he's going, pops, pops like this.

And I go, what's the matter, buddy? And he goes, I don't know. You think that's. And I went, oh, shit, here we go. So I leap out of bed, grab him as fast as I can, inadvertently tweak my neck doing it because it was such a rush. Yeah, but, you know, whatever, it's fine. It feels better today.

Yesterday was kind of bad. Anyway, I rush him into the bathroom, and he's got nothing in him. So it's like this, is he good? Is he not good? And then he would, he would like dry heave. And then he would like be okay for a second. And I said, buddy, are you going to be okay?

And he goes, yeah, I think I'm okay. And he just projectiles in there. Wham? And Kim's in the other room going, what's going on? I'm like, he's fine. It's good. Whatever. You know, you go into helper mode and everything's fine.

It's not a big deal. Yeah, of course. He only did it the, the, oh, no, he did it. So he parves. And then we get them all situated. And it was a good, it was a good, clean. run you know right in the toilet no issues no beds to clean up and so i say to him i say now buddy i'm gonna have you in here here's all your blankets and everything here's a little bucket little garbage

cam with a plastic thing in it if you feel like you need to you know barf again you just can grab this bucket but you know yell my name i'll come get you but just you know i'm just in the other room blah blah so i leave him there and i'm thinking he's got this he'll just grab that bucket no problem he's five he's smart you know and then about 30 40 40 minutes later, I'm just starting to drift off. And I hear him kind of coughing. I'm like, I better go check. So I go in there and he's still laying kind of fetal position and the bucket's still over here. But he is like ralphed all over his pillow and his blanket and his clothes. And he doesn't even know he's like half asleep just laying there. So I had to get him up, get all his clothes off,

get him in the tub. Like we did all this little dance around. And what's hilarious is, um, The whole time, it's funny when you go into emergency mode like that, any kind of like discomfort I had from the COVID symptoms, poof. Like back burner, like it don't even, you're not even, yeah, exactly. Your adrenaline kicks in or whatever it is kicks in. It's like, all right, let's get you taken care of. Let's get you dealt with. Yeah, yeah, and you just do what you got to do, and everything was fine after that. He was full of energy the next day, no big deal.

This is what kids do. They have these weird little things. That's what you do when your kids. It just happened to be during a weekend where we're supposed to be having fun. you know and I'm already feel like crap and now we got the kids I was tested negative by the time I'm you know handling the kids so that's good so nobody's getting sick for me but uh what it's just a stupid couple of weeks there'll be more weekends don't worry it's uh yeah and then this Thursday Kim goes to her sister's whoha party thing they're doing down in Alabama oh wow her and her sister that has cancer they've made they plan this whole thing to go you know do more sibling things and so um they're going to go down this week for like seven days or something oh wow i know it's a lot so it's me carter and the dogs but most of the time carter won't even be here because she's going to be doing fan x things and uh it's just being me and the dogs so i don't know man i'm going to be

an ugly mess in about a no kidding you um but look at the good timing though can you imagine if the covid thing happened while kim was gone yeah good point or that she like both of us have had it now and have that, have that immunity for two, three months or whatever. Yeah. So she's in better shape. This is like the perfect time. If you wanted to go to DragonCon now would be the time to go. Yeah.

Get on that plane and just say, hey, any COVID suffers, just lick me up the side of the face. I don't care. That's right. I'm good. Anyway, it was a bad week. But thank you, everybody, for your patience. TMS got affected the hardest. We apologize.

Turns out mornings are a little rough. Mornings are rough. Yeah. And the fatigue, you know, still take it easy. The fatigue lasts, at least for both Tina and I, the fatigue lasted a little bit longer than every other symptom that we had. Yeah, even last night, I was just like, oh, man. Carter's like, you need to rest.

I'm like, shut up, dude, I know. Carter's right. I think I said, shut up, dude. I think I actually did that. Shut up, dude. Brian, we got a phone call. A couple of them. I've been holding them since we were here last.

Awesome. Great. Let's hear it. Let's hear them. We got one about fire on. The Mountain in Oregon. Check it out. Hey, you mentioned Fire on the Mountain on TMS.

We have a couple of those in Oregon, and they are amazing. So definitely worth a trip. Okay, so Fire on the Mountain remind me. We talked about this. That's a restaurant. I didn't realize they extended out of Colorado. So it's a place, it's a restaurant here in Colorado, named after, I believe, a Grateful Dead song that makes what everybody I've driven there, in my tasty taxi

everybody I've driven there says the wings are phenomenal and I still haven't fully indulged I got some takeout there once when I was doing trivia at a place nearby but they were cold I went during a break during the trivia left the team there and said all right I'm going to go grab my wings they'd been sitting for a while so they got a little bit cold

or cold on the walk back or something. So they were good, but I didn't get the real full Fire on the Mountain experience. Sure, sure. It's surprising, like I said, it really surprises me that they extend. It looks like they started there. I'm reading their story back in Oregon. Yeah, about 21 years ago. Let's see.

These two guys met, they started the Buffalo Wing Restaurant. Let's see, what would open is Buffalo Wing Restaurant was the first name. of it, but it changed later to the Fire on the Mountain. That was from 03 to 05. Let's see. This one says we've been prob members at Denver's thriving restaurant seen since

2012 when we opened our first shop in the historic West Highlands neighborhood, which is the one I went to. Yeah. So maybe they are, maybe they're not related. Oh, maybe not. The one you're reading is the Oregon one. Is that right? Yeah, it says Fire on the Mountain, Oregon, born in the mountains, raised in Portland. Oh.

Maybe that means they were well they're really weird about this they don't actually say they just say when they started and who came to check it out and they mention Oregon but they don't say anything about anything yeah it's definitely definitely the same logo I'm looking at the Oregon locator the Portland Wings now nice job by the way getting the Portland Wings.com yeah no kidding that's almost like a hockey team I was gonna say it'll keep them from using that as a sports team yeah no kidding now that sounds awesome I want to we don't have one I checked here already but I would love one yeah um let's see cool well open a first location in the cully neighborhood oh no that was in

2011 well anyway seems like they're yeah they're doing great interesting so that sounds like they did because the the um the Denver one this was 2012 wasn't it so sounds like uh sounds like um oregon might have been the start yeah i want to eat yeah there now burnside opened in january of 2008 so there we go that's the um that is the the earliest unless you're we suddenly find out that, oh, no, we started Nevada in 1997 and blah, blah, blah. They claim to be Portland's original wing joint. That's a pretty hardcore claim, isn't it? It is.

There's got to be some other wing joints out there that are like, no, we're the original wing joint. All right. I'm going to make you a point to get some fire in the mountain wings this week. At some point for lunch, I'm going to make my way out to that neighborhood. That sounds so good right now. of any kind sounds so good. Yeah. Wings over the Rockies is a little bit. That is the weirdest thing about

this particular bout of COVID. The first one in 2022, I didn't want to eat anything. I was not hungry. This one starving all the time. Everything sounded good, dude. I was like constantly in the mood for like a whole pizza. Like, that's jacked. I hated it.

Well, anyway, here's another one. This is our old pal Gary from Landronics from Lot B from Batu The toy story Yeah from Batu That's that rogue

From who'll teach you how to play Sabak That's right He will also He'll wear a very colorful shirt When you meet him And he'll always introduce himself On microphone It is the great Gary

And he has something to say About pin trading in Disney So a little follow up on that Here you go Hey this is Gary the senior geek This is for TMS You guys were talking about Pin Trading at Disneyland

And we didn't do pin trading on too but when I was still in parking there were positions where I was required to wear a pin lanyard and I hated it because you got these regulars that showed up with these cheap knockoff pins they weren't Disney pins but then they would trade them for actual Disney pins and uh you know we could recognize they were knockoff so we just put them in our pocket and then go get a another pin to replace it on the lanyard uh but uh I I just hated that stuff but but those people, they're flying. That's it.

Bye. Yeah, that is. What a crock, man. That absolutely is some jackassery there. To, like, go get your knockoff pins. At least, at least I had the decency

to go to the gift shop on the way into Disney, the very first one you go into in there, Main Street, USA, and get the cheapest set of six pins that you can find. And then you start

trading those and you start working your way up. But at least mine were genuine. Yours were real. That's the, so you did the exact right thing. This other mess. I mean, who knew that there was so much debauchery in the pin trading world? Jeez. People like that that ruin it for all of us.

I guess there's a lot of money involved if you're, you know, I mean, if you're getting the, you're trying to get the high end ones. And so you're going to have people try to screw this. Yeah, I guess. I never, I absolutely never was in it for, uh, never was in it for like, oh, I'm going to get this pin to sell it. It's like, great, ooh, I got a statler. Now I just want a Waldorf.

Or I got, you know, oh, I'm going to collect all these Marvel versions, like all these comic book variants and stuff. Or all these, any Spider-Man or Stitch I find I'm totally trading for. But, yeah, what a crock. Croc. So they have all the Muppet stuff then? They have like, you know, beaker and stuff? Yep.

I would collect all the Muppets if I could. I still have a Stattler right there and no Waldorf. Oh, Brian. How can you have a scatler and no Waldorf? That's terrible. It breaks my little heart. It does. It crushes me, man.

Yeah, those guys are up in that balcony together, not separate. Yeah. Oh, Luke Sideworkers says, I didn't know Pid and Trading was so hardcore. Dude, you should, you should, uh, oh, man. Like, there's a spot in Adventureland where somebody sets up permanent residence. I think they just go in the morning and they sit on a bench. They've got a magic key, you know, the season pass thing. and they take up residence on this bench

with a little display that they've made of all their pins for trading but like they have all these rules about what Oh, Frontierland, thank you Hootie 42 He knows the guy, he knows the person who sets up there And they have this little stand with their pins on it And they're like so hardcore about I don't know

Hercules wasn't a very good movie And that was kind of like a B character I don't know about trading him for one of Ursula's eels. All right, I guess so. It's a little like any, I guess it's like any fandom. You're going to have somebody who's just,

you're going to have the hardcore. And that thing, like I remember at Blizzard, and some of that's maybe a shared culture because there's Disney so close and everything, but the Blizzard one was also, there were hardcores up there. Yeah, there were.

You'd see them buying like cases of those bags of pins or at least walking around with what looked like cases. I don't know if they ever put a limit on how many you could buy, but Tristan and I always each got, if there were eight enamel pins we wanted, we would buy 10 packs because we know the average was about two gold pins. And then we'd get maybe two enamel duplicates and then we trade.

First couple of years, they all felt equal, right? Like any enamel for any enamel, any gold for any gold. And then like further in, even though I don't think there were any, and Randy might be able to speak to this, I don't think there were any limits on. Oh, we only printed this many of this enamel, but we printed a whole mess of these. It still was like people wanted the Overwatch characters more than anything else. So it's like, no, I ain't given up an Overwatch character unless you give me two enamels. Yeah. I'll screw you.

You're a jerk. Yeah, you're not in Tijuana. What's going on in there? Exactly. Come on. Well, Barry. Gary, we appreciate the inside. Barry.

Barry. I don't know what you're going to add Dunaway into the call. yeah and um like this idea i like it a lot yeah we had a great film sack this weekend so why not bring at least partial team back together here for an encore really we'll see if he answers i noticed he's in so that's a good sign good all right well while he answers i'll play the theme song yes that signifies it's time to play a game with brian Dunaway who joins us from South Carolina on the line right now. Hi, Brian. Oh, hi Scott and Brian. You're a little bit of a, I don't know if I've ever told you this before, but you're a little bit

like the mascot of the network a little bit. Um, cool. Because you got your, your toes are like kind of spread all across the different shows and stuff. You're like poking in here and there. Right, right. And people just are always like, doesn't matter what I'm talking about. I'll say, oh, we had a great time today on Wednesday. Oh, I love when Dunaway's on. Someone will say that. We get it all the time. People love you. They had dogs. That really makes me, well, first of all, it makes me feel very honored. Thank you very much. And it also makes me want to get one of those big, giant replicas of your own head.

Because I think a mascot, I think of sports teams. And I want like a big giant replica on my own head walking around with it. It'd be awesome. Hold on. I got something like that. Brian, keep him busy for a second. Oh, really? Oh, we do have one of those.

Yeah, this one came up at Nerdtacular years and years and years ago. And you knew this. It was the first year at Nerdtacular that you weren't able to attend. Right. And so we had a stand sitting at your spot on the death. Is Brian behind me or something like that? This was a different thing. This is what we used for you for a film sack when you weren't there.

Oh, look at that. Don't kiss it. Okay, fine. Look at your short hair. Wow. I know. I think about that sometimes. 2003 or 14 or 13 or 14.

We also have a Veronica one. She hates that we have this. Oh, really? Yeah. She hates that we have this. She does. It's like, do not molest my poster, please. Thank you.

But look at her. She had an old end gadget sticker on her Mac. Oh, look at that. Wow. Look at, I think she's in mid-helling at me about some rule and Tadpool All-Stars. Yeah, basically you had, she was losing, therefore, it must be Brian's fault. Exactly. Breaker of worlds.

Wow. That was amazing. Breaker of rules. It's too bad. If you only heard the audio version of that, I'll put some pictures of that up somewhere, so you guys can see it. She'll hold those up for the,

those will be great for the thumbnail. Oh yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah. I'm totally doing that. That's a good idea. All right. Well, hey, Brian, let's play a game. You got to explain the rules, though,

so we know what we're playing for them. Who could win one? You think you'd know. You'd think you guys would know how to play this game. Welcome to the morning. Halfass is a trivia game where I'm actually going to be giving you the answers. I'm going to give Scott and Brian a category and six possible answers, Three of which are correct and three, oh, watch out, Scott, or incorrect.

Depending on how confident they feel with the category, they can provide one, two, or three guesses. But if they get any of those guesses wrong, zero points for that round. Zero. If you get one right, you get a point. You get two right, gets you three points. Three right gets you five points for that round. We're going to add up all those points after three rounds. And the winner gets nothing.

But the people you're playing for will get something. Scott, you're going to be playing for Alex Thompson in Savannah, Georgia. Oh, I wonder if we're going to be seeing. I was going to say if some of us are headed that way soon. I wonder we're going to see Alex Thompson in Savannah, Georgia. Alex, Brian, you're going to be playing for Jose Perez in Miami. Oh, mommy. Wait, Jose Perez sounds like a real person, like a famous person.

Like a real person. Doesn't it sound like some of a famous name? Like a baseball player or something? I certainly could be. I mean, I think of George Perez. It's kind of a real simple name, really. Who's the guy that had a celebrity blog, Perez? Oh, Perez Hilton.

Oh, and someone said Rosie Perez, I might be doing that. Oh, that could be Rosie Perez, yeah. Ah, damn it. All right. Well, I'll not worry about it for now. Please, please don't. Let's move on. Welcome to Miami.

Gendi Ammy, yummy. Yeah. I've got my Will Smith out there. All right, let's get to you. Keep my city out of your mouth. Smack. All right.

This was recreation provided by T. Let's get to question number one. We're going to the military for this one. See how well you do. Which of these are ranks in today's U.S. Navy? So current ranks in the U.S. Navy today. commander, mate, Commodore, midshipman, sub-lieutenant, and rear admiral.

Oh, my gosh. Commodore 64. Yeah, yeah. I hope my buddy, Darren, is not listening because he is a Navy guy and he will be embarrassed if I get this wrong, which I probably will get wrong. Let's see.

Pretty sure that one is, pretty sure that one is, I'm doing two. I'm going to as well then All right You guys both locked in on rear admiral Yeah that's real Rear Admiral is absolutely correct

Scott you picked midshipman And Brian you picked Commodore I'm going to tell you right now One of those is correct One of those is incorrect Meaning one of you is going to walk away with three points One of you is going to walk away with zero The correct answer is

Mid Shipman Yeah Scott Getting three points For round one, the other one was commander. Commander, midshipman, and rear admiral were your three. I almost chose Commodore, but then I thought, what do I know that from? Did they retire Commodore? Wasn't that a name at one point in time?

It's a British thing. It's a British thing, right? Isn't it? Yes, it's British. Yes, is Chris in the chat. Might be. Oh, interesting. So, mate, I'm a secret spy, and I got confused for a minute.

What was the other one? Commander? Oh, yeah. Commander. commander midshipman and rear admiral all right i feel like i'm gonna let darren know that i almost chose you chose commodore because you were going you want to put a 64 at the end of it that's what you wanted to do yeah had no choice what choice to have i yeah i was torn between two worlds i get it yeah i feel it uh hobbs dog confirms yeah commodore was used in the u.s but not it's it's not uh anymore

and tell you she confirms it i wish we could say more lieutenant instead of lieutenant i wish we Oh, I like that. I like left tenant. But then we need a right tenant, don't we? I think we need a right tenant if we're going to have a left tenant. And then a Neal tenant right in the middle. Yeah. Let's get to question number two. Central tenant.

And these are cards in a tarot deck or tarot, as nobody calls it. Your choices are the beast, the world, the chariot, the judge, the sky, and the hermit. Three of those are real cards you'll find in a tarot deck. Three of them are just some shit. somebody made up. You mean like unlike the rest of the terror deck. Right. Not.

Kind of accurate there. I'm, it's funny to bring that up. I'm considering a fully customized art tarot deck of frog pants people in it. Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah. So Brian would be death or whatever.

I mean, you don't have to be death. I'd like to be death. Yeah, you want to be death? You're in the running for death. So, yeah, we'll see what it.

What happens there. Throw my hat in the ring for death. Yeah. You kind of already look like Bill and Ted's Grim Reaper. I do. Right, exactly. Like if I shave my beard and kind of put a little white powder on my face, then I'm sure.

I'm there. I'm in. Sadler guy. All right. You guys are both finally locked in. Again, you guys both settled on the world. The world. The world is a card in the tarot deck.

One of you settled on the judge. The other one settled on the. hermit. And once again, one of you is right and one of you is wrong. So somebody's walking with three more points. Is it going to be zero? No, boy. Or is it going to be? I'm scared. I'm scared. It is. The hermit. Oh. The score now three to three going into the last round. I love it when we have a little healthy competition here. Question number three, which of these are numbers greater than two? Oh, it's easy, right?

Like, which of these are numbers greater than two? Come on. I mean, this is going to be so easy. Your choices are, the golden ratio, avagadro's number, Euler's number, E, the square root of three, pie, and the sign of 90 degrees. Oh, my gosh. Get up those scottas, Matt. This is a bummer here.

You're going to have to give me a minute. I'm going to have to go through all these. Oh, it is. Thank you, Amy. It is. Oilers number, right. Not Euler's. Oilers.

Oh, it's pretty. That's oilers? Oh, okay. Oilers, Oilers number. The true Oilers number is whatever number is lower than the other team they're playing against. That's the Oilers number. They're not very good.

Exactly. All right. Well, Avagadro's number. What the hell is that? There's a pizza place in Boulder, Fort Collins called Avogadro's number. And so I know, at least from the commercials, how much I can remember of that. But, yeah.

I'm sticking with two again. I just don't know. Two? Okay. All right. All right. All right. All right.

All right. You guys settled on. Well, pie is the easy one, right? Three point one for blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Of course, that's more than more than two. Yeah. Oh, really? Oh, that's good.

No, that's good because I didn't choose it. Either of you chose that one. Okay, that's hilarious. No. No, you both chose Avagadro's number, which is. Did we really? Yeah, 1.20. to the x.6 power.

There's some, like, they used to talk about it in their commercials in this big lung explanation. It's a massive, massive number. Isn't that the E you get on your calculator when it's like, nope? Yeah, it's an error. It's a number that triggers an error on your calculator. That's awesome. Can it spell boots? Or am I thinking of gigawatts.

I was trying to think of how the golden ratio. The 24th power. That's it, right? How is the golden ratio? I was trying to construct that into a more. 2. It was like, what the, it's not? Yeah, it's 1.62 is the golden ratio. Ah, okay. It sounds like a, just look at Elizabeth Hurley. Yeah, yeah. Don't, don't look up the golden ratio on Urban Dictionary. You'll be able to get in trouble.

Is there somebody sprays numbers all over your face? Actually, these all could be that, like, yeah, right. The sign of 90 degrees, uh, the square root of three. She came over and I gave her the square root of three all night long. Yeah, pie. Avagadro's number. Yeah. Yeah. baby gross all right what do we do here we go to we go to our tiebreaker

which is a numerical question here oh yes right that's right we've done these in a while since no I haven't had to so since Scott

got to three points first I'm going to let him give the answer you might as would just said just because well just because

hey I got it first it was a real deal you know exactly is that is the rule that we usually keep in place, or is that just something you said today? I put a coin or something. Okay. Today I made it up to be that.

Well, let Scott have the choice of whether he wants to give the, give an answer or the higher or lower guess afterwards. But I'm going to make him do that before I tell him the question. I will do the higher. Actually, no, I'll do the first bit. Okay. You'll give the, you'll give the guess number. Yeah, I'll do the guess number. Scott. Scoot. what percent of Americans age 65 or more have at least one tattoo and this is as of

2015 what percentage well that's going to be 2050 remember scots remember scots giving the answer here brain yeah I know um I just like to protest too much percentage of Americans age 65 or older have at least one tattoo I'm gonna say I'm gonna say I'm gonna say 25%. 25% is incorrect, as Brian done away would so like to, like to, uh, exactly. He just has gas. Um, is the actual number higher or lower than 25%?

So 60, 65 and older, I'm thinking, uh, well, you know, men, women, how many survived the war? How many got during the war? How many are bikers? I'm going to say it's higher. All right. The actual answer is, no, it's way lower, 11%. Yeah, yeah, 11% of the- I needed a win.

I feel good about that. It's the older, right? Like if you said, hey, how many people who are 65 have tattoos? Way higher percentage. If you said 65 and older, that includes like auctionarians and 95-year-olds and 100-year-olds, and they're not all going to have tattoos. So screw you, Brian. Look, I mean, what was it?

Tattoos popularized in the U.S. during World War II, and I'm thinking, oh, my God, at least most of those people are probably older than that or dead. So I mean, yeah. On the flip side, again, as of 2015, when this question was written, 55% of 30 to 39-year-olds have a tattoo, making them the most inked, The real conspiracy is that everyone who had a tattooed died young.

Is that the deal? From tetanus. Tetanus. Tattoe, tetan, tattooness. Tatunis. It's my favorite Star Wars planet. Love going to Tatunus. Well, that's great.

I feel good about that. Yeah. Congratulations. Going to Alex Thompson and Savannah, Georgia. Alex, you're in beginning. We're just going to carry that with us. We're just going to. No, there's steam games.

There's steam games. So I'm going to give them to him today. You're getting a copy of Universe for Sale, and this means warp on Steam, courtesy of our friend, Wiesler. Nice. But don't worry, Jose Perez in Miami. You're getting a copy of Hyperviolent, courtesy of Nightmare Visions.

Ooh, hyperviolent is really good. The loser got the best game. It's so good. Hyperviolence fantastic. Yeah, really good game. Shooter thing. If you're an old-school shooter fan like me, you're going to love it.

Well, well done, everybody. Brian Dunaway, especially, you know, having you here. It's just a treat and a feeling of love and sunshine, really. I just can't stop thinking that there's a bunch of lying 65-year-olds out there because I know they got tattoos. They just want to talk about them a little too prudish maybe. They don't want to show them. They don't want to admit to weird.

What I should have done since it's 65 and older, or did I say 55 and older? I think I said 65. 65. Let's see. 65. Yeah. I should have said for 2015, so it's nine years after. So I should have said 74-year-olds and over.

That's a good point. I totally forgot about that. Although that still wouldn't necessarily be accurate because some people might have gotten, some people in that age bracket might have gotten tattoos between then and now. Yeah, they got grandkids. It was the question that was the problem, not my failure. Yeah, let's blame the question. Yeah, blame the question.

That's a great way to do when you're losing. Dunaway, we're going to hang out again on Wednesday. We'll do this again with the help of a listener. It'll be fantastic. Have a great week and kiss our butts. Kiss our butts. Our buttocks. Time for the news.

Let's take a quick look at the news. Brought to you by. Brought you by Coverville. Hey, last week, we didn't have a lot of time on TMS to plug Coverville. But last week, as promised, I did a show for Bruce Springsteen's 75th birthday. A lot of great songs. Of course, all the ones you'd expect. Born in the USA.

Born to run. Prove it all night. Thunder Road. I'm on fire, dancing in the dark. All that stuff. But that's still available. It's a podcast. You can go back and listen.

And this week, well, celebrating 20 years of Coverville. Yeah, that's right. Coverville did its first episode on September 28th, 2020. I'm sorry, 2004, making this the 20th year of Coverville. And I was trying to think if Coverville, I know there are people who were podcasting earlier than that, and you were doing audio blogs before podcasting was even a term. But I'm wondering if Coverville is the longest still running podcast out there. Like an RSS-based podcast from that era, I'll bet you're, if it isn't the case,

it's got to be close. You have to be in the top. Because Don and Drew were before me, but we figured out recently that Don and Drew weren't making podcasts anymore. Yeah, they kind of faded out. I don't know when the Rock and Roll Geek started doing the Rock and Roll Geek show. When was Keith and The Girl doing their thing? They were after me. They started in 2005.

They started, yeah. And I didn't start, officially, ELR didn't come back until 05. Like actual RSS stuff, I think you've got to be up there. I got to be. Like for a still running show, that's the. That's the thing. Curry's not still doing. Lots of other shows have...

No, no, because he was doing daily source code. Stop doing that and is now doing the... Dave Weiner doesn't do anything anymore, right? Dave Weiner's just sort of chilling. Okay. I think we... I mean, there's maybe some digging to be done,

but I think you've got to be in the top one or two, if not number one. It's got to be, yeah. That's amazing. The longest running, still running podcast. That's awesome. No break either. No, I can't even claim...

Well, there are two years of the instance. I can't claim because we ended it. And even though it's back, you can't, you know, can't count that. Was the instance only on hiatus for two years? Is there since the last? Wow. God, it seems like a bigger gap. It does seem like a bigger gap.

It's the whole freaking pandemic thing. All time seems wrong right now. It really does. That era. But we had, that show was 06 to 20, 22, 2021, and then so that can't even, it's not even to compete. in 2004? If there's another show that's still running from 2004, I'll eat my hat if

you're not number one. I'll have to look and see what the Rock and Rolla Geek show's doing. Anyway, that's the thing. I have no idea what I'm going to do for my 20th anniversary episode. I was thinking oh, I'll pick songs from 2004, right? Covers

from 2004. You want to know what was on the charts on that day, the day that I did, Coverville? Can I guess? I want to guess. We're talking early aughts. We're talking early. If you can name, listen, if you can name without any help from the audience what the number one song was on the billboard charts on the Hot 100, I'll give you $50. American idiot.

No, it was a song called Goodies by Ciara featuring Pity Pablo. Okay, I've no, I have no idea what that is. I don't even know if this song sounds like you spent three weeks at number one at that point and spent 14 weeks on the charts. Wow. Lee Beck by Terror Squad, Sunshine by Lil Flip featuring Leah. My Place by Nelly featuring Jahim. Finally, the first one I recognize, she will be loved by Maroon Five.

So, I know that Sunshine song, I think, is that. You beep my sunshine. Oh, not them then? Okay. Yeah, that was Len and that was the 90s. Jeez, that's amazing. I don't recognize any of that except for that last song, I mentioned. yeah weird

yep just shows how me by Ashley Simpson my boo by Usher and Alicia Keys then you start getting to the stuff that that I recognize

but so I think it might be what I do is maybe the top from that year the top top 15 songs from that year or something because we had some early like I don't know

Katie Perry or something that year did we get in 2004 was Katie Perry a thing she kissed a girl and she liked it then or something

that was in 2000 that was in 2000 yeah it sounds about right, 2004. Sounds right, but I could be wrong. Kelly Clarkson, she had some stuff in that, uh, in that year. Yeah. You know what's weird?

That's only like four and a half years after the Matrix. Think of that. That's how old we are. Right. This, the, the idea that 04 is 20 years ago is not sitting well in my brain. No, no. I don't like it. Yeah, geek, uh, what is Todd Cochran's geek something?

Geek News Central, I think. Geek News Central. I don't know if that, I feel like that also came after coverbill, coverville. Let's check in with him and see what he says. How did I get here? Oh, he doesn't even know. Let's see. So rock and roll geek show podcast. When was the last episode of the Rock and Roll? Really, where's the, September 17th, 2024, Rock and Roll Geek Show episode 1,34. So he is still doing it. When was his first episode?

Yeah, see, that's the trick. not to raise and eh-ho. All right. That's a new one. This is new, I don't know why I haven't played that one before. How about this one? Moms, don't have time to read books. That's not true, is it, Amy?

You got time to read books. Yeah. Better work, bitch. Better work, bitch. Is that what he just said? Yeah. Where have these been all of our lives? I don't remember any of these.

I apparently capped way more than I ever used. I don't remember on either. It's funny. Oh, my God. that's funny uh i do not see i cannot find an episode that like the first episode of the rock and roll geek show um uh how about this one veronica's marshmallows yeah veronica's marshmallows um well i think you're getting you're in the one or two then i think that's fair gotta be yeah yeah at some point leo leopart will refer to you as brianson ibbson and tell

everybody how long you've been doing it that's right exactly that's awesome um um All right. Here's a story for you, a quick one. Half a house for half a million dollars. That's a pretty good deal, I guess. Not really. Anyway, a home got crushed by a tree and is now up for sale in Los Angeles. Literally half the house is destroyed. And they still want a million dollars. You want to sell. It's got some great air conditioning right now. Yeah, you guys in your house prices over there. Anyway, newly listed for sale in Southern California's notoriously pricing realty market, half a house for half a million dollars. One bedroom, one bathroom, one bathroom, bungalow and suburban manovria, sorry, monorovia, monorovia, I think is how you say it.

Monorovia? Northeast of Los Angeles, California was crushed by a tree in May with two renters and two dogs inside. There were no injuries, but a fence and most of the roof were mingled. So now what's left to the property with missing walls, hanging wires, and no ceilings is for sale for $499,000. Listing agent Kevin Wheeler, quipped to the Los Angeles Times that it is an open concept floor plan, is what he says. I mean, if you're into the flipping thing, this is probably a good deal. I don't know.

want to just completely build something fresh and brand new, then, yeah, take the land. You're buying the land, basically. You're buying the lot, yeah. Yeah, which isn't still not a great price. But anyway, the house, the property is more than 50 years old, so it's already pretty old. Let's see, it was destroyed by what is known as a act of God. A review isn't required, according to the Wheeler dude, so house hunters can buy what's left of the home and fix it up without dealing with some red tape typically required for rebuilds

it comes to this. There's been a lot of interest so far because demand is so high in inventory, especially at this price is so low, he told the times. That guy sounds like he's exactly what I think is. Yeah, he's clearly a wheeler. A wheeler and a dealer. Uh, Germans, German in the news, German woman. Finally, we maybe even talked about her like 10 years ago. Uh, but a German woman ends her 10 year relationship with an airplane. I remember talking about this woman. I came her if it was here or somewhere else, but I'm pretty sure we did. Okay. Probably.

I mean, this feels like something that we would talk about. Oh, 100%. Michelle Kobicki. I don't know how he's their name. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Michelle Policki.

Says she has a relationship like any other, unlike any other. Her unusual love story began 10 years ago when she fell in love with a Boeing 737-800 airplane, which she affectionately nicknamed Schatz, which is German for Darling. Okay. How come everything in German? It just sounds so rough, man. It's all those, what are they called? Plicatives, what's the, Amy, help me out here.

What's the term for those? There's a word for it. It was a word, and it was, it's a George Carlin thing. It talks about all those splosives. It's the sounds, yeah, the sounds that are in their language, the, and the, ah, so instead of saying, hello, darling, it's, you more schnots like it's just plosive okay

I was putting an S in front of it okay I was putting an S in front of it oh thank you tell me I kind of like splosive a little bit explosives yeah it's a splosive yeah let's give the bilabial fricative Adam Barnhart

that's the that was the the George Carlin thing you can't say by you can't say what was the word bilabial fricative you can't say bilabial fricative without labia so just remember that you can't it's so true

uh see the airplane relationship that she had is an example of what is called objectophilia. That is the most on-point philia I've ever heard. You know what I mean? Right. Like normally they're harder to understand and figure out what the reference is. Yeah. This is like, no, objects.

You're into objects. A rare phenomenon where individuals develop romantic or sexual feelings toward objects. Psychologist Bjorn Hendersho. who recently discussed this phenomenon on a program after-fem. Ask your doctor, Brian. Ask your doctor, after-fem is right for you. Side effects of after-fem. Don't take after-fem if you're allergic to after-fem. Yeah, it may kill you. Explain that those with the condition often experience a form of communication with the object, making the relationship feel more like a meaningful exchange. It may seem one-sided,

but there is some kind of exchange, he says, adding there is very little research on the phenomenon. Wait, what kind of exchange? The plane's not doing anything. Right, yeah. An exchange means giving and taking, and I feel like there's just a lot of taking going on. Yeah, I don't think the plane's into this at all, if I had to guess. I don't even think the plane gave consent.

I don't think so either. It says, boarding the aircraft overwhelmed her with emotions, and her most memorable moment came when she visited a hangar and kissed the plane. she once expressed hopes of marrying the plane declaring, I am simply different and stand for my love of my 737, yeah? However, to spite her devotion, she recently revealed that the relationship had come to an end, do it to a physical distance problem.

You know, long-distance relationships, they don't work out. He was seeing other airports. Yeah, he was seeing other airports. He was always in the air, 30,000 feet away. You can't live like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Forget it. Anyway, she stressed in an interview in the express.

impression that's a paper there's a newspaper out there sure that they or that she and the plane remain friends they're still friends she claims which oh good good I don't know how that works you know do you see it does it come in does it pull in sometime to the gate and you're like

oh hi it's how you've been it's me yeah have you been doing okay here I heard you're seeing I heard you're seeing a Jeep yeah I've been we've only been dating for about a month oh that's great I'm happy for you really Truly, I'm happy for you.

His tray table just wasn't getting as high anymore. It wasn't going up as far anymore. Well, that ends your news. The great news coverage today, everybody. Thanks. But we're going to move on now and take a break. When we come back from this break, we'll spend some time with Bobby Frankenberger. Been a while since we've had our science expert on the show.

And we'll see what he has to say. I happen to only have a hint of what he's bringing today. But it's pretty wild sounding, so I'm excited. I can't wait. I feel like, you know, if we had something lined up, a prize lined up, it would be great to have a good, like a competition of who can come up with the best reason that she broke up with the plane, like the best, the best, excuse. We could come up with something.

You know what I also miss? I know we've talked about here and there, but I'd love to do our film festival again. The 30-second film festival? I agree. I miss those too. Because people, you know what you have better now than you did 10 years ago? You have amazing phones, incredible tools. You could do some incredible stuff now.

You can create stuff on your phone better than the stuff that we had those first couple rounds. And that is, by the way, that is the genesis of I Can See Why You Like It was from the 30 Second Film Festival. Oh, that's right. That came from somebody's video. That woman still doesn't listen to the show, but we'll live on here in perpetuity because of that. I can definitely see why you like it. Yep. And let her legacy thrive by doing this again sometime soon.

We should do it. Brian, let's dive over into a song break. What do you got? Okay. All right. Hey, how about the Holy Knives? These guys have a brand new single that was produced with Jamie Hints of the Kills. They have a brand new EP that's coming out in December called I Don't Want to Win.

That's what Brian Dunway might have said for today's half-asses. Oh! This is the first single from that EP. It's called Damned. Here are The Holy Knives. What are you hot love? You let the war go Up through the ceiling

Forget the halo I thought I needed sense of sanehood But it's so relieving To know you know good And it's all in the way it's the way your likes And what you're trying to hide Way behind those capuchino eyes

Oh, they're always nice But overpressed Sometimes I feel damned Sometimes I feel blessed But when I'm not feeling it all I feel best Sometimes I feel damned Sometimes I feel blessed

But when I'm not feeling at all I feel best I'm on times I feel dead I'm on times I feel like Time Sometimes I feel damn Or can I see it You brought the horror show

But when the lights are gleaming I can't say no So I ride the highs now And tip toward the tight road And when you break the knives off I'll keep the lines closed It's all in the way you tell your lives Oh, baby, what you're trying to hide?

Way behind those sky, but she in our eyes. Well, they're always nice, but overpressed. Sometimes I feel damned. Sometimes I feel blessed. But when I'm not feeling at all, I feel best, Sometimes I feel blessed Sometimes I feel damned Sometimes I feel blessed

When I'm not Real, I feel best Sometimes I feel Time Sometimes I feel Damn Sometimes I feel

Some time Sometimes I feel Damn Sometimes I feel Don't Don't Don't Oh times I feel damned

Sometimes I feel damned Sometimes I feel blessed But when I'm not feeling at all I feel best Sometimes I feel damned Sometimes I feel blessed

But when I'm not feeling at all I feel best sometimes I feel damned sometimes I feel blessed sometimes I feel

blessed sometimes I feel damned and sometimes I feel less sometimes I feel Sometimes I feel damned, sometimes I feel blessed. But when I'm not feeling it all, I feel best.

the other team. Really? Yes. They've beaten every team they've played this year. Wow. I think they could beat any team if they play like they played tonight. Yay! We're back.

Tell me who that was one more time, please. Sure. That's a band called The Holy Knives out of Los Angeles, a duo, a couple guys in this band. Their brand new singles called Damned. It comes from their EP, comes out December 10th called I don't want to win. That single is called Damned here. That was The Holy Knives. I'm not going to play it again.

You heard it. We're not playing the second time. You guys get one shot. That's it. You've taken your shot. If you didn't hear it, we can't help you. No, and we've even set it up so that if you get the podcast, it will arrange. race that song after you've heard it once.

Yeah, we have the technology, so deal with it. All right. Speaking of which, check this out. Science. Bob is hungry, and the soup looks good. Well, so does Bobby. Look at him and then bright and shiny this morning. Our science expert, Bobby, who hasn't been here in like a month because just the way things worked out.

We had a holiday. We had COVID. Circumstances beyond his control. Yeah, and ours. Beyond my control for sure. It was all in your control. Right. It's our fault.

We didn't make Labor Day. No, we did not make Labor Day, nor did I labor on it. August 5th was the last time I was on. Geez, that's too long. That's a lot and a half. Yeah, it was too long. I talked to Stephen yesterday. I was like, I got to slot Bobby in.

And he was like, great. No, that's awesome. So he was totally cool with it. He's probably busy. You're going to give you an extra two minutes to make up for all that time, Bobby. Yeah, not a problem. No problem. Bobby, you're here.

Let's do this. I know, I mentioned earlier, I'm excited because I got a hint at it. as to what you're bringing. But just you lay it out. I don't want to spoil any of this. What do we do? I want to start with Avagadro's number. Yes.

So, yeah, it was 6.022 times 10 to the 23rd. You know what that number is? Like what it's for? It has to do with a delicious pizza and sub shop in Fort Collins. That's all I know. Is that right? Is there a sub shop? Did you talk about it on the show?

I did. Yeah, it's called Avagadro's number. And they used to say that number that's 6.022 to the times 10 to the 23 power, whatever it is. They used to say it all the time in their commercials. and back in the 90s I would have been able to tell you exactly what Avagachro's number was but today I'm like

it's 1.22 gigawatt or something yeah it's um it's a it's a chemistry number what it actually is is it's the number of so when you're when you're measuring uh the amount of a substance

it's it's uh you need to know how much how many of particles are in a substance to compare them it's sort of like used as a way to so like if you have if you're comparing the the mass or the

weight of of hydrogen to oxygen for example well you need to be measuring them equally so you need to know have the equal an equal amount of hydrogen

to equal amount of oxygen and it's the number that that Avagadra's number is the number of particles in one mole of a substance they measure it in moles mole

spell mole yeah like the m o l oh not m l e i'm picturing a little animal little yeah because it's like that because that's another word that has to do with the concentration of a substance one molar concentration means you have one mole of um of a substance in a liter of water so a one molar solution is 6.022 times 10 to the 23rd particles of that substance in a leader of solute. Good Lord. So what you're saying is it's compatible with the metric system. Once again, another reason we need to quit.

Nobody's talking about three beaver pelts to the hog's head anymore. We got to get with it. Exactly. We got to get with it. Well, all right, Bobby. Let's get into robots. Or at least I think that's what we're getting into. What's happening?

Oh, robots. Yeah, we're talking about robots. So, but this is a special kind of interesting. type of robots. So there's a lot of things that machines can do better than living organisms, right? There are like calculators, for example. We use calculators because you can you can use a machine to calculate stuff much faster than we can in our heads or on paper or even with an abacus, even with an abacus. Jeez, even with that. Crazy. But machines, machines also, we've got AI, they can do lots of things better, you know, search and rescue robots are better at doing

those things than we are because they can withstand extreme environments better, right? So there's lots of things that machines can do better than we can. But there are some things that living organisms are able to do and outperform machines at. So they haven't gotten everything. Like, figuring out how to navigate the world is a little, we're a little bit better at that. You know, I say a little bit. You mean physically navigate it? Like, actually... Yeah, you know, like, as good as AI is at driving a car,

we can somehow make decisions a little bit more... I guess maybe efficiently is a better word, but also we could just navigate the world more efficiently because of evolution. Like, if you want to move... There are different reasons and ways that you would navigate the world, right? So let's say you're trying to find out how to get to the... out of a cave, you might constantly move towards a source of light in order to get out of it, right?

And evolution has provided many living organisms with a really, really efficient way of doing that. Maybe not faster, but maybe more efficient, right? And we can do all sorts of things. We can move, we can efficiently move body parts better than robots or machines, right? Because our muscles have the benefit of millions of years of evolution to, in an energy-efficient way, do those kinds of things. So there's lots of things we can do better than machines. There's lots of things machines can do better than us. So lots of times, scientists try to resolve this performance gap by merging living organisms with machines.

Interesting. So you're really describing cyborgs, but that's not. Bionics. Yeah. Yeah. Right? Like not a pejorative way. We're not like, you know, something evil that's going to stomp through the village and kill everybody.

We don't mean that. But sometimes we just take inspiration from machines to try to do that, like try to make actuators that move limbs in ways that resent or mimic muscles, right? To use that example again. Sure. But there's lots of challenges to hybridizing living things with machines. or cyborgs, like you might want to call it, right? Some of the challenges are just that machines, how do you actually get them to connect together?

You know, when we try to put electronic parts onto human bodies, for example, it's difficult to make those connections. The interface is difficult. There are other challenges are if you try to put other. living organisms into machines like plants well they don't live forever sometimes they're hard you got to keep them alive you know

stuff like that right so there's a new direction that scientists are going in to try to merge try to merge living creatures with machines and that is to use fungi you don't mean just a fun guy so cortisepts mushroom this is that would all start

oh geez you know everyone's all worried about sky net you should be worried about what we're doing with mushrooms. Shit. I've seen the, you know, we've seen the TV show. It was excellent.

Yeah, we know what happens. Yeah, we know that they have an ulterior motive. They have, they're just waiting for their opportunity. Also, very Star Trek,

because wasn't the core, or one of the core points of discovery was them harnessing space mushrooms, basically. Wasn't that the deal? I can't remember how that show went. I've fallen off and I'm probably three seasons behind, but originally,

it was like that that dude that blew the whistle on Kevin Spacey can't think he was name anyway the doctor guy the spores right it was the right

it was the drive that used the spores to yeah to do warp they could warp the ship would like flip in a bunch of directions and then shoot up into the sky

or whatever it did right yeah it was all based on that anyway sorry Bobby probably nothing to do with robotics and or behavior look you're just

you're just anticipating the direction that these that this technology is going in that's okay okay what we like to do all right um so it's a new area of research a promising area of research and uh one of the reasons that they wanted to go with fungi with mushrooms is because uh they might solve some of these challenges that that's that uh that were presented with when we're try to merge organism living organisms and machines right and one of those is that uh they respond very quickly to different kinds of light exposure um like ultraviolet light, infrared light, different types of light.

Mushrooms can respond very, very quickly to that. But also, and probably one of the main reasons they were inspired to use fungi is that they can easily, very easily survive in a lot of different environments. They're very easy to grow and take care of.

You kind of get them going, and I mean... There's like a version for every climate too, right? Like you have some mushrooms like growing cold. Yeah, I mean, they can find their niche in all sorts of different climates. Yeah. I think they don't typically do well in dry climates, but that's not hard to solve when you're talking about a machine. It's easy to provide

a small amount of moisture, easier than maybe having to fertilize and provide enough sunlight and all this kind of stuff for plants or all the other things you have to do for for like our type of tissue, right? Where you have to provide it with constant energy in some form, right? Well, to connect the fake from the real, or the fictitious from the real, it does seem like, in science fiction anyway, we're always grasping for like, we don't think that the future of robots or, you know, necessarily supercomputers and that sort of thing will be based on just a bunch of robotic arms and titanium joints and this sort of thing, that maybe it's going to be more organic, synthetically organic. but organic nonetheless. It's like all the synthetics in, say, the aliens franchise. They've, you know, they got that weird milky white blood and they got, you know, guts inside of them that are way more than just like springs and transistors and stuff.

And this feels like a step in that direction of saying, well, it can't all just be silicon. It can't all just be wires and copper. Maybe it's also fleshy, organicy, you know, stuff that has to feed differently or, or, get its energy differently than just batteries or power or whatever. And that's really interesting, right? Because I don't know. Right. Also, human beings are, we're typically really bad at predicting the trajectory of technology,

at least in the past a certain number of years, you know. And so I think a lot of times we think, when we think, using this as the example, right, if we think how are machines and living organisms going to combine, We think of things like, you know, the Android from alien. We think of things like, you know, things that we can relate easily to or things that solve big problems that we have right now, but we don't realize that sometimes when you just start poking into and exploring different applications of different technology, like what I'm about to describe with these fungi, you, that's when you discover.

small applications for things that where you have a technology that you didn't anticipate and it just solves a small problem, right? And then that's where it's useful. It could be maybe an industry or it could maybe it's not in your home, but maybe it's somewhere else, right?

Yeah. So what they did was the idea of a fungus being able to combine that with a machine was all well and good because they have these things that they can do responding to different types of light, particularly ultraviolet light in this example

and they can respond to chemical signals really well and they can survive easily but the trick was to get them to again interface with machines that was the tricky part. Right. How does it get the signal to the machine? You can't

just plop a mushroom on top of a robot and then it works, right? Right. So what they did was they created a 3D printed scaffold. It's always 3D printing nowadays, right, Brian? Of course, absolutely. They 3D print everything. I was joking with my co-host on the science podcast before we started recording one time.

And I thought, you know what? I think every grant application for science nowadays must have two questions. First, how do you plan to use AI in this? Right. AI and 3D printing. Yeah, and what do you plan to 3D print? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But yeah, they 3D printed a scaffold that would encourage the mycelium of a fungus to grow into the electrodes of a machine they were going to attach it to. So it would encourage it to grow in the direction of connecting to the electrodes. And then they used that once it did make the connection, after about 30 days they let it sit and it made a connection. Then they could use that connection to read an electrical signal from

from the fungus. Now, when I say mycelium, what that is, is every fungus, when we see a mushroom, we see the thing above ground, right? Yeah. But that's actually pretty much just like the reproductive organs of the whole organism. Is that, is that true? I didn't realize that. I assumed it was the final product. What are we talking? All the stuff underneath? Like the, yeah, there's a ton underneath. It's really an iceberg analogy is great. It's all the mushroom job is when it comes up is to spew spores everywhere. That's all it does. But what's underneath are all these fibers, sort of like little hairs.

They're actually thinner than a human hair. And you've seen it before. Like if you leave a tomato out for a really long time and then it grows all this hair on it. That's the mycelium. That's what you're, but and that's underground. And it creates a huge, vast, gigantic network. The largest organism they think on Earth right now, the largest living organism is a fungus.

Oh, really? Okay. It's like thousands of square kilometers. It's huge. So is it mostly subterranean or is this all above grand? Yeah, it is. It's mostly subterranean. All right. So imagine that mushroom again and all those little hairs.

Now imagine if you could just, it's like wires, right? You could just direct it into, to connect to an electrode, right? Mm-hmm. With this 3D printed scaffolding. And electrical signals are sent along these mice. Just like we have electrical signals that are sent through the nerves of our body, right? Right. So you can read.

So what they did was they did that. And then they spent 30 days recording electrical signal data from the mycelium of this fungus that was on the robot. And then they used, of course, AI comes up again. They used a machine learning algorithm to interpret all the electrical signals. And then once they had an idea of what the different signals meant, then they exposed this robot or these mushrooms to, UV light and then check to see based on how they can interpret it now

whether or not there was a readable signal and they found out that it was. So they created two types of robots a walking starfish, which is creepy as hell. Yeah, that's like that thing in Suicide Squad, the big starfish guy. Starro. Yeah. Starro. I don't trust that at all. The other one is what you would typically expect a four-wheeled rover. so real

it's not very threatening right until the starfish starts driving it yeah no kidding so they put the mushrooms on top of them and then they would shine a UV light on it

and they were able to get these robots to move toward or away from UV light sources just by having the mushroom on there and by interpreting the signals that the mushroom had it's not like they programmed in signals exactly

they took that they did program in stuff on the robot end it but what they the way that they were programming it was was based on how the mushrooms were responding to UV light right so that's what they did that's very basic but it's proof of concept right that this is something that's possible and so do they have any ideas yet what the practicality use cases are obviously this is great science regardless and research to pursue but is there anything about it where they're like oh this is going to fundamentally change the way we mow our lawns or some shit like that like is there any kind of you know connection there yeah good

question that's always the the that's the the the thing that you always include that at the end of your paper because that's what gets you more money in the future is if you can say hmm we might be able to use this for this and then maybe if you give us more money we can do more research to figure that out yeah um so they did kind of come up with some some hypothetical applications and the main one the most interesting one and the main one that they focused on was agricultural applications. So you could, if they can figure out how to do this

with chemical signals, you can theoretically get it to read chemical signals in the soil, right? Yeah. And find out acidity levels of the soil. Maybe you could even custom grow a fungus under the soil that you could

then stick probes into the soil. soil and read information from it. And so like tractors could theoretically, if this was possible, if they could create this network, could drive over a field sticking probes in as it goes to quickly get information about what's going on in the soil and maybe to more efficiently apply fertilizers, for example, so that you're not just spreading fertilizer just because, but you're actually more targeting areas that need more and stuff like that. It could be better for the environment, make agriculture more efficient economically,

stuff like that. Maybe you got a couple acres that are just fallow, you know, or just has gone to sour crap and it doesn't work. This would be a great way to tell or at least know that before you plant or make whatever decisions you got to make. That's really interesting. Do you think vegans are nervous because someone in the chat brought us up? ICOR, I think.

Vegans and vegetarians are like, oh, no, those corticeps, mushrooms are a little smarter. They're a little more sentient than I thought. I got to take those off the menu. I think that we're in any danger of that happening. I don't think so. I think if they haven't stopped eating plants because we now have all this research that says that they scream when you cut them, I think they're going to be okay with this. Is that true?

Do we have research that says they scream when we cut them? I mean, that's what the headlines say, but really what they're saying is a sound is made. We just don't know exactly. It might be relief. It might be, you know, we can't translate that sound. It might be, oh, finally, put me out of my misery. Yeah. Yeah, they're not.

Yeah. They'll saute me and put me on pizza. Or maybe we just don't know what a, what a soothing relaxing. You know, like maybe it feels like a massage to them. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we don't know. And until we know, everybody just stay the course. Okay, everything will be fun.

Exactly. Exactly. Well, that's fascinating. I love this kind of stuff. And of course, Bobby talks more about these things on his podcast All Around Science. Hey, Bobby, what's up next on that show? What are you doing? We just had an episode released today on All Around Science where we talked to our friend, Dr. Alex Reynolds, a sleep scientist. We interviewed her a good while ago, and half of it we released, and half of it we held on to, and we released the other half. and she's just was a really good she's a really good guest a friend of ours and she talks about sleep science and all kinds of things about sleep and in a really easy to understand way so yeah talks about jet lag why it is that we sleep in the first place talks a little bit about what brain waves are because that's how sometimes we measure things in sleep um so yeah it was really good listen you should give it a listen and um sleep how does it work yeah uh also a reminder reminder that today Bobby and I are getting together and recording the second episode of the revived Instance 2.0 that will happen. Not live, but we record it. It will be video and audio,

all the ways you can get it. Make sure you tune in. It's our first month with the new expansion. I feel like this is our first, like the other one was a welcome back. Hey, we're doing this thing. So this is our first like real episode. Yeah. This one's going to have some serious meat on the bone because we've been playing a ton. We raided together. We co-tanked a freaking raid team. That was a wild experience. And all kinds of reasons to check it out. So please do. That'll be today sometime. You can get the feeds and all that stuff wherever you get your podcast or particularly over at frogpants.com slash instance. Bobby, have a great freaking week, man. You too. I don't know how to hang up on you. Hold on. Just do it already. I wish I knew how to

quit you, Bobby. Oh, they discord changed the way they do this. Hold on. Okay. There. We're back to normal. They changed a couple of things. The way you share screens are totally different now. And every time I get in there now, yeah, when we were doing couch party, it was like, what do I click? It's really kind of effed. I don't like it. Anyway, whatever, I'll get used to it. And then they'll change it again, and I'll be annoyed again.

Right, of course. It'll be great. Brian, we're done. That is the end of today's show. And here's the thing. If you want more, get it at frogpants.com slash TMS. There will be a show tomorrow. There'll be shows all week this week.

don't you jinx us when you say that I know I really shouldn't say it should I like last time you said that I think is when I got COVID and like you know finally we're back to having a normal week and then it was like oh bad I had COVID yeah and then I did the same thing and then I got COVID so yeah it's like we just you know what I want I'd love doing TMS I just want it to be normal just be normal it's all normal yeah yeah too many other things going on Kim leaves town this week I'd take her to the airport at like 6 a.m. Oh my Thursday before I won't affect the show I'll still be here but we got to go do that and then I don't know five days six seven eight days whatever it is without her is they're going to suck ass and kids are going to busy this weekend such as me and the dogs part of that's exciting part of me is like

yeah yeah oh you might as well you're going to grow you're going to grow roots sitting in front of World of Warcraft the entire time she's gone probably poor dogs you're going to have to fend for themselves yeah I'm going to have to can we get Taylor to check on you

in a certain oh just Taylor's not going on the Talammer, right? No, she could easily come check in it, and she probably will, because she does that. Yeah, we'll need that, for sure. But anyway, a fun week ahead, so be around for it, everybody. In the meantime, let's play a song to take them all home. Some kind of a request

maybe, a request. This is one that would have been played last week for this person's birthday, but, you know, stuff happened. Ducey rode in. As a matter of fact, Ducey and Caducey rode in. Kyrsa and Ducey both rode in. We'll read Ducey's. This year is my 39th birthday, my last year to squeeze in the let's party clip.

Oh, you think so, does he? I actually got a special one for him. I'll save it until you're done, though. So keep going on. Oh, good. Thanks for a great community. Having a great time in Vegas every year, and I can't wait for the East Coast meetup. Yes. And then now this is for you, Dozy.

Happy birthday, I tell you. There you go. I don't know where that lands on the scale, but there it is. That's a 10 on the lozings scale. is what it is for me. By the way, he says, P.S., I'm actually turning 40, but I really feel like I just started partying. I guess after this year, I'll have to be okay,

hearing the old lady, happy birthday from now on sign, Ducey. So, a little fake out from Ducey. Ducey says, your choice. My new favorite band is Lawrence, but I also love cake. Collective Soul, Daft, Punk, and their Cowboy Bebop and Zelda soundtracks, or The Cowboy Beep Up and Zelda soundtracks. Listen, you said, you said Lawrence. When Kiercer rode in, she said Lawrence.

So I'm playing some Lawrence. Actually, I'm playing a combo. This is Pomplamoose featuring Lawrence, Jack Conti and Natalie Don, joined by the, I think, brother and sister duo of Lawrence. Is their last name, Lawrence? I think it is. I don't know who they are. I'm all curious now. I want to check them out. I guess I'll hear this. And you'll say, oh, now I really want to check more of them out. This is their cover of Paul Simon's, me and Julio, down by the schoolyard, Mama Pajama. Here's, here are Pomplamoose and Lawrence. by the school yard, seeing me and Julio down by the schoolyard.

Well, Mama Pajama rode out of bed and she ran through the police station. And when the Papa found out and began to shout, he started the investigation. It's against the law. It was against the law. What that Mama saw. Ooh, it was against the law. Mama looked down and spit on the ground every time her name gets mentioned And Papa said, oh, if I get that boy, I'm going to stick him in the house of detention

Well, I'm on my way I don't know where I'm going, I'm on my way I'm taking my time, but I don't know where Through Baro, Rosie, the Queen of Corona Seeing me and Julio down by the schoolyard See me and Julio down by the schoolyard Woo! Whoa, in a couple of days they come and take me away, but the press let the story leak.

But when the radical priests come to get me released, we was all on the cover of newsweek. Well, I'm on my way. I don't know where I'm going. I'm on my way. I'm taking my time, but I don't know where we borrow. the Queen of Corona See me and Julio down by the school yard See me and who you're down by the school yard

Oh See me and Julio down by the school yard Oh see me and who you're down by the school yard Oh Down by the school god This show this show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Yes, get more at frogpant.com.