The Morning Stream - TMS 2722: Soylent People

Episode Date: October 21, 2024

I hate a Paraaaaaaaaaaaaade. Keep your clams clean. Say hello to my little kid. Horse Men doing Horse things. Night of the Living Dorks. Swiss Cheese Tooth. The Power of Signs Compels Thee. Murder Thy Neighbor. Inflatable Suit Randos. Peein the Dog. Fish tanks are not a problem. Cake That Looks Like Bread, Isn't That Pound Cake? The floats are throwing out candeeeeeeee. Oh I can make wind. The Tooth the Whole Tooth and Nothing But the Tooth with Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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sign up for the TMS Patreon at patreon.com slash TMS. Better do what the ghosts tell you. Coming up on the morning stream, I hate a parade. Keep your clams clean. Say hello to my little kid. Horseman doing horse things. Night of the living dorks.

Swiss cheese tooth. The power of signs compels thee. Mur thy neighbor. Inflatable suit random. Pee and the dog. Fish tanks are not a problem. Cake that looks like bread. Isn't that pound cake?

Gross. The floats are throwing out candy. Oh, I can make wind. The tooth, the whole tooth, and nothing but the tooth with Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Ooh, e, ooh, ooh, I go to witch doctor. Which is witch, go to witch doctor. Ooh, e, ooh, I. Whoa, back off, Nikki.

Eat, Clara. The morning stream. They're coming to get you, Barbara. There's one of them now. Good morning, everybody. Welcome to TMS. It is the morning stream for Monday, October 21st, 2024. Scott Johnson here.

it there. Hi, Brian. Hello. You know that they're coming to get you a barbara, the Night of Living Dead clip. You know why you always see that? Well, not always, but very often see that movie as the one that people are watching in other horror movies. Because it's not a, they forgot to copyright or some weird thing, right? Right. Exactly right. Yeah. So you can put the Night of the Living Dead in your horror movie and not have to pay for it. Yeah. It's pretty great because that's how you could find it at a Walmart for like a dollar because anybody can publish that movie. Brian and I could make a TMS branded version of that film. It could. Yes, exactly. Maybe we should. Maybe we should and take our, because we did that for FilmSack. We could just take our audio from

film sac and make our own version of it. Yeah. We can do a commentary filled special edition of that and you guys would buy it because you guys are nice and you would buy things from us. So thanks. Yeah. We're back, everybody. We got a show to do. It is a Monday. welcome to your new week. We hope it's a good one for all of you. And Brian did a thing that I have not been able to stop thinking about because I told him, I basically made a confession on film sack that I don't like parades. Generally speaking, I kind of hate them. I don't like going to them. I will begrudgingly do it. When my kids were little, I'm like, all right, fine. I'll go to a parade. But I really never enjoyed them. If it was the kind of parade where I could like set up a cool chair and chill, well, then maybe I was a little more in. But for the most part, standing there forever. waiting for stuff to go by, seeing the same kinds of, like, marching bands 15 times in a row. It just never great. And we have a pretty good parade here. The 24th of July parade that we have here in Salt Lake is kind of a big one.

It's the big pioneer parade. It's Utah Day, right? Or Pioneer Day. And I'm super. The problem is it's hot as hell. It's freaking late summer, you know, right in the smack dab of the hottest part of the summer. I just, I don't know. I got bad feelings about parades, generally speaking.

But Brian went to a parade. I saw a video and I went. Well, now we're talking. Why isn't this a thing? Here, right now, why can't I go to this? And apparently, I have to move to Denver to do it. So anyway, explain what you did. Is there anything left for me to say? I can't. I get to know if there's, no, I'm just kidding. I hope there's lots more to say than that. There's lots more to say, Scott. Yeah, Tina for a mystery date took me to a Halloween parade.

This is apparently for the last six years, an annual event on South Broadway, Broadway south of 6th Avenue, goes down from, I think, six down to Alameda, for those of you in Denver and know the area. It's a decent-sized stretch, and it's, you know, people in costume. It is local businesses doing up cars and floats and things like all Halloween-style. A lot of Beetlejuice this year. Only one Barbie, kind of surprised about that. But this is something that I had never even heard of until this year. and it was a blast.

You know, we didn't think to bring chairs, so we were standing at the side, and it was about an hour and a half of standing there. Not really a big deal. I guess actually more than that, because we got there about 40 minutes before the parade started and got right up to the fence. But it was cool because, you know,

there's little kids all around us and every float is throwing out candy, and so I'd catch it and give it to the kids next to me unless it was something that I wanted to keep and eat for myself, which was a lot. But the whole event, really, really fun. A lot of Ghostbusters, Ecto 1s, two sets, two different sections of Ghostbusters, Ecto1 cars that went by, like, about six cars in each cluster of them,

separated by fire trucks and ambulances and stuff decorated. So in this group I'm looking at in the video you sent me there, it's mostly just people in suits. How do they, is that a group of people that are known for being, part of some group or are they just randos in the parade like the front of the thing says um like the two people carrying the sign says what are they the airheads or something like that so they are some sort of group but i have it's not like the the 501st or um you know any any sort of association i've ever heard of so i think it might just be a bunch of people who um who uh just all like walking down

parades and inflatables and say hey when's the next when's the next all inflatable section of the parade we're there we're going to be there yeah they sure like those things those big fat suit looking things I know there's some hilarious ones a big waffle yeah sumo wrestlers yeah I like the I like the

the flamingo one that one's pretty cool nice and tall anyway that's awesome I wish all parades were Halloween parades that's great yeah it was a time and perfect temperature like wasn't scalding hot and miserable and unpleasant. Let's see.

Do I have another video to give you a photo or something? Oh, yeah, there was a Spider Horse, Batman Horse and Spider Horse. Giving you a photo right now on our Discord. Watch them for it here. The two mounted police. Oh, yeah. A little earlier in the night, this one looks like. Yeah.

Let's see, there you go, chat. Look at that couple of horsemen doing horse things. Doing horse things, exactly. Oh, I like the red cover on that one horse. That's cool. Yeah, it's Spider-Man. If you look close, there's a Spider-Man. Oh, it's a Spider-horse.

That's great. And then the one to the left is a Batman horse. Okay, the best part of the spider horse is the feet are also red. Yes, right. I know they totally did up the nails of the horse. Oh, now I see it. There's a spider logo on his little chest thing. That's awesome.

Oh, and there's Batman. Yeah. Harder to tell on the Batman one because his ears are basically the point of ears. Right. Yeah. you got to look for the logo that's great yeah yeah it was a really good time

perfect temperature for being out there and uh then we went and got dinner afterwards went to a brand new place called oh what is it Hampton Social Hampton Social Club it's like a

took over another bar used to be a motto ale house and they moved in changed owners changed restaurants and it's like a like seaside food. Oasters. Really good looking oysters. I didn't have any, but man, I saw plates of them going by, and they looked so damn good.

I had a clam chowder and a Caesar salad, and Tina had some pasta, and it was really, really good. Was the clam chowder sandy at all? Like enough. Zero bits of sand in my clam chowder. Good. Encountered no sand. Good. There'll be no sand for you. They didn't have to keep their clams clean right there at the Hampton Social Club. A lot of hygiene at the... A lot of hygiene. Keeping those clams clean. That's wonderful to hear.

All right. Well, that's awesome. It's turned me. It's turned me. I would watch that parade over any parade I've ever been to. I hate them all. Except this one. This is great.

Yeah, keep an eye on. Maybe there's, who knows? Maybe there's a Halloween parade in Utah in Salt Lake City. There probably is, and I just don't know about it. So my guess is somebody's yelling at their thing right now saying, Scott, there's one in Murray right now. Go there. Right, exactly. This weekend, hurry, Scott.

Yeah. Maybe me and Carter will go if there is one. It'll just be us because Kim's gone, but take the kids with us. I don't know. We'll see. Who knows? My weekend was spent trying to deal with a new infestation of sorts. And you'd think it's, you know, getting to be winter or we're getting close.

It's late fall. Yeah. Would not expect this with the weather that we've been having, with the cooler weather. Yeah, I didn't either. I thought this is when they all slowed down and, like, hunkered down for the year, whatever, whatever bees and wasps do during the cold months. But we have not one, but two brand new wasp nests in the front yard. And it's right next to, adjacent to, the place that we previously had all powdered and killed them all. They've just moved next door on each side to new rocks underneath this little rock garden thing and created new homes.

So the middle one is still, you know, an abomination. There's probably corpses in there. I don't know what's going on there. Yeah, right, right. The ruins, the rubble of the previous nest. Yeah. And then these bees were like, or these horn. We're like, you know what?

We're okay with the carnage. You probably brought down property value. I don't know. Maybe they got a better deal. But they all moved into these adjacent ones. And there are tons in there. Coming in, coming in, coming out, coming in. In the cold, like in the cold.

This morning is like 38 degrees. I'm outside. Wow. Pee and a dog. Just buzzing around there and freaking out. They all look like they're ready to sting me. It just irritates me. So today, yeah.

When do they go dormant? Don't they, there's some time of year that they, start to go dormant and maybe it's because we had such a long summer late late late uh late heat that they just kept going yeah i don't i don't know why it's weird do you did you ever end up getting those little hanging paper lantern looking things that look like nests yeah we talked about those they didn't do they didn't do anything and according to jeff sire i think he was the one that wrote in he says he thinks that's because we put them up oh after they'd already established uh yeah their dominance was was already on display so we'll put

Putting up new ones just made them go, oh, well, we're already here. So that was his take. I think he's probably right. So next year, I'm going to try it again. I'm going to put them up early. And we're not having any problem in the backyard anymore. That's no problem. But this upfront stuff, where little kids walk and stuff, it just freaks me out.

I don't want somebody to get stung. Of course not. Dealing with that shit. More powder. More powder. I'm going to get more powder. It will see how it goes. Thanks, nature.

You're great. Nature. also here's a question took the wymeriner to the lake yesterday big nice long walk around the lake beautiful time great stuff love it on our way home we live by a bunch of townhouses that were built here in the last few years and the way that these things are stacked some of them are front facing when you drive past them or walk past them you see them in full display and a lot of you know people have stuff out in front of their houses for Halloween or whatever sure like what you'd expect. But there's some of these that are kind of wedged in between each other and they don't

really have a view and you can't really see their house from the street. Oh, sure. Or anywhere, really, unless you go back in the alley where no one goes unless you're parking in their garage or something, right? So it's like no one goes back there. And we walked past us, and I'm not even going to tell you what affiliation they were, but we walked past a house that was one of these things because we had to go through the back way and we thought it would be faster. We'd never been back there before this thing is covered in political signs oh geez banners signs hanging things all for the same candidate or for like all of the candidates in the area that are running like basically it's like vote for this district vote for this president no 100% just a president and just that one no

okay all right so I'll leave it to you to guess which one would get super excited about covering their house and shit. But anyway, let's just say it was a little culty as I walked past. Yeah, yeah, sounds like it, yeah. But here's what's weird. The only way to see how much of the, and it was tons of it. Every window had a thing. Out in the back, there was a big banner hanging, and all this stuff, signs poked and everything, all this stuff.

Just decorated to the hill, but you can't see it from anywhere unless you're parking in the rear alley where only like two, maybe three of those townhomes have parking. So the only people that have to see this are people who are also parking back there or live near there. For anyone else in the public, they don't see it. And I guess I just hit with this question like, to what end is that? Normally, I mean, first of all, I don't think signs do anything. I can't think of a single person in the history of the world whose vote was changed by

seeing a sign in somebody's yard. Drove by somebody's house and said, you know what? That sign, you bring up a really good point. I think I'm going to vote, have to switch my vote to the other person. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Your pickup truck with a giant flag in it really convinced me. Thank you for that, that, you opened my eyes. Yeah.

Even if you're super neutral and you're not even, even if you're an undecided voter, what does a sign do? It doesn't do anything. You drive by it and go, all right, there's another sign. But you don't go, yeah, you know what a minute, you don't do that. And I was so annoyed by it that I'm not annoyed, but just like flummoxed. I'm like, well, who is this for? Who are you showing this to? No, and the answer is nobody.

Nobody can see it from the front. So if your goal is to cover your place in stuff like this, to influence others, you've failed from the get-go because the townhome you own is behind all others and being blocked from view. So nobody will ever see just how deep your rabbit hole went. They won't know. Right. And the only reason we saw. we went this way one time out of

500 times walking the dog we'll probably never go that direction again because it didn't save us any time we thought it would but it didn't so to what end it's just super fan I guess I don't know I don't know I think there's there's also this thing where if you see

you know you're if you're on the fence again very unlikely in this in this election being on the fence at least about a presidential candidate but if you're if you're even just a little bit in favor of one over the other and you see oh my god there's a lot of support for this other candidate i don't feel so bad about maybe feeling feeling like i should support them too but i didn't think there was enough support out there right it's a it's an absolute guess

but it's you know but it's uh it's possible yes it's a theory that that's you know that's how it works um amy just said that npr did a piece about this and the research does show that they make a difference for some reason really Which is amazing. Yeah. I need to see. Can you find that link somewhere, Red Fraggle? I'd like to hear that too, exactly.

Because I'd really like to understand the science there. And again, you know, all right, if they can figure out that it does make a difference, they're asking people who have changed their minds because of the signs, and I'd love to hear their reasoning for it. Is it that, you know, the, um, uh, is it that they're saying, oh, okay, well, the guy that I was thinking about voting for, but didn't want to, is getting a lot of support. So maybe I will vote for that guy.

I don't know. Yeah, maybe, or maybe it's people who just aren't noticing any of it, and they're like, oh, well, then I guess that looks all right. I guess I'll vote for that. Like, because they're that out of it. They don't know. That's the only concept I can think of. If they're tied into the thing, whatever you're voting, you're not going to, this isn't

going to change you to walk past Jerry's lawn and see a sign. You're not going to go, you know, after all this planning on who I was going to vote for, I'm going to pivot today. Right. I'm going to the direction. He really brought up a good point that I hadn't even thought of is that somebody would put a sign up for them. So you didn't even convinced me, my friend.

Thank you for that. It's really weird. And if it does have an effect, it's got to be a small one. And also, I will never be that guy. I don't care how much I support somebody. I'll never have a thing. I don't care, local or otherwise. I'm never putting a sign in my yard.

Yeah, why? To what? Again, to what end? We had a Biden Harris sign in front of ours. Because when I made a donation, they sent it to me for free. So I was like, well, okay. I got it for free. I'll put it in the front yard.

Okay. So that's interesting. so in your case it's just like well we got it so we may as well put it out there exactly yeah all right in my case even if i got one i i don't know why i just i just wouldn't do it it's like i don't want i already think it's too culty on every everybody who goes too far i'm not saying you guys are doing this but i'm saying everybody who does this where they just really like they'll go nuts and put like six in front of their yard regardless of who you're supporting oh yeah just like well what what are you doing what what

your life like every day. Is this what you're, is this who you are? You know what I mean? For the lower elections, it does, um, it does help if you see somebody that you know that you drive by. It's like, oh, I know that neighbor. I didn't know that was their their affiliation. Oh, and they're also suggesting, you know, these three vote yes on, on amendment C or number six and vote no on this one. It's like, oh, well, that's going to make me take another look at those if I, if I hadn't made a decision to say, oh, they're, they, um, they, I know these people, they tend to agree with me on most things. I'm going to, now that I see that they're voting one way, I don't know, it's a, it's a stretch. Again, it's a, it's a reach, but, um, but I think you're on to something with

local stuff. Local stuff is where it matters. That's where rubber meets the road. That's where your life is. That's where your family is. It's where people who care about are. Like, that's different. If somebody's just loading their yard up with like, we're doing, we have a vote on this amendment, this state amendment, this thing, this thing, this thing. that all makes sense to me but when it's national and you're just fan-boeing on a yard and I mean people

like this guy right with all his signs and his banners and stuff where he decorates his house like it's Christmas I don't know that seems nuts and I think it probably even works more in the other way if I see somebody with the Trump sign in the yard and a bunch of local elections or ballot initiatives

I'm way more likely to see say, oh, well, if they believe that, then they're probably really wrong on these other ones, so I've got to make sure I don't agree with them on anything. Yeah, and it's the same thing if somebody draped their house in a bunch of Biden, or not Biden, Harris stuff. Yeah. And then put a bunch of local stuff. You're going to have the opposite, quote-unquote, faction, have that same, you know,

revulsion or whatever. And so I've always just been like, I ain't putting shit out there. That's not my job to advertise it. I'm going to go do my civic duty. I'm a vote. but F this like parade and Oh God I know the

The people The um The trucks The pick up And flags And by the way those are all made in China folks Yeah Yeah

But it's uh It you know Seeing those it's like how much did you spend on that thing and what And what do you think it's going to do? What do you think it's going to change? You think that just your obnoxious that obnoxious flag is going to change somebody's mind who's already locked in i don't know especially in a truck just full of stuff it's like come on you guys you know what they ought to do we need

more we need more cage fighting or more like thunder dome style politic oh sure you know okay yeah two enter one leaves let's go let's just go right to it you know let's have let's have uh who's run in bartertown doesn't matter open the cage get him in i know who would win that one I know one particular candidate would not walk out the winner. So, you know, let's do it that way. I'd be all for that. All right. We're going to call done away.

We're going to play a game. All right. There's nothing you can do about it. We're just doing that. No, no, this is happening. Help, help, it's happening. Yeah. If you wanted something different than this outcome,

bad news. That's right. All right. Here he comes. Hold on. And this is the Monday half-asses, which means don't DM me because you don't get to come in today. That happens on Wednesday.

You're not playing live. Stop it. Settle down, people. There's always three or four people that are like, oh, shit, I forgot it was Monday. Anyway, let's get this going. Hey, look who it is. It's Brian Dunaway joining us all the way from South Carolina. Hi, Brian.

How are you this morning? Oh, hi, Scott and Brian doing pretty good. Yeah? Pretty good. I ran through, I took my car and ran it through some people's yards with political signs in it. Oh, good. Screw you guys. Sweet.

Nice. Yeah. I think that's illegal, but I think that's illegal, but that's okay, because, you know, we're not going to tell on you, and it's not like this is public. It's fine. Is it? I think it is, Scott, I don't, I don't put anything political in my yard. I don't have any friends who are into politics. And so that would be the only way out would support somebody probably. I support by voting. That's what I do. Yeah, you know what else, too? If I walk, if I, if I walk past a house, though, and it's somebody, and they put up a sign with somebody who I happen to be voting for, I'll admit it. There's a feeling in, like, Oh, good. Someone like me. Yeah, yeah. I'm so glad to see people in the neighborhood that agree with me. Yeah, yeah.

That's the real power. The more you see of it, the more you don't want to go against the grain. You don't want to be the guy who showed up and voted for the, you know, the nobody wants them. You know what I mean? They must know something. And that's the power in it. And it's fine. It's fine.

So it's not for me. You know, I've been thinking about, I wonder how much it would cost for me to have some, some, uh, Trump political signs made up that look exactly like the regular. Trump political signs. It must not be much because I see them all the time. Well, no, no, no, I'm saying. But I would change like the tagline, which is much smaller that, you know, the person who has it in their yard might not notice that I've swapped it out. Oh, okay.

The tagline would be, I have a tiny peepee or something like that and just see how long, how long it would take them to notice that I've swapped out there. I'm sure. I've been watching a show on, is HBO Max? I think it is. And it's about bad neighbors. And it's all about the escalation of little. Yeah, it's kind of what I wouldn't be, wouldn't it, yeah.

Until someone gets murder. Yeah, it does. It does. It's, uh, was that called beef? I think I remember watching that show. And it was, it was beef, but it was something like, your neighbor is bad shit crazy or something. I remember what the title was, but it's basically that. And it's always like, it's always about somebody who has a motorcycle or kids.

It's always noise stuff. And, you know, it's like, why you looking at me? Was it a, was it a, it's a thing on Max? Is it a documentary or like a reality show or something? It's a series. It's a series. Okay. It's like, uh, what's it's a,

called like bad neighbor or something crazy but it's a it's a drama or a comedy or something like that Oh no it's no it's it's a crime kind of show you know it's like the murder shows You've watched them Where they they break down what went wrong Yeah

And they start with They interview the neighbors It was that one of them was leaf blowing leaves Into the other person's yard And then it turned into Yeah yeah yeah Why is it something Poisoning their tree and then yeah

Sure My neighbor or something fear thy neighbor or something like that maybe I don't know that sounds like a horrible show I'm not watching that show you should watch it so you go know what not to do like put the little tiny print stuff on a political sign

and put it in someone's yard okay whatever well all right they'll never find me they'll ever catch me no I got one of those black body suits I'll just go in the middle of the night ninja right through their yard and shoot chum oh I want the ring doorbell

footage of that happening that would be amazing yeah just you out there running around with a full like like a body sock on man that'd be amazing wave at the ring doorbell camp i love it uh all right well let's play this game brian you want to explain to what this is how people win all that shiz yeah sure welcome to the morning half ass is a trivia game where i'm actually going to be giving you guys the answers what the heck yes i'm going to give scott and brine a category and six possible answers three of which are correct and three like changing out somebody's trump sign for something that says Tiny Peepie is incorrect.

Depending on how confident they feel with the category, they can provide one, two or three guesses. But if you get any of those guesses wrong, you get zero points for that round. Get one right, gets you a point. Two right, gets you three points, and three right gets you five points. We're going to add up all those points after three rounds,

and we're going to award you a prize. Just kidding. Not you, somebody else. Contestants have been pulled from members of the tadpool that aren't able to listen live. Scott, you're playing for Mason in Sacramento, California. Oh, nice. Hi, Mason.

And Brian, you're playing for Rickard in Sweden. Rickard. Rickard's a cool name. I like Rickard. Is there a famous record? What am I thinking of? There's a record in Game of Thrones, I think, is who you're probably thinking of. Oh, yeah.

I'm probably mixing it with Deckard, too, a little bit. Oh, could be. Yeah. So, all we need are two players to play. I've got one already logged in, hoping that another player logs in here pretty soon. Oh, shit. Sorry. My bet.

Let me get in there. real quick. It'll only take me a second. Here we go. There he is. Very good. All right. Let's get to your first question.

Billboard's top three singles of 1987. Which three of these songs were the biggest three singles of 1987, the entire year, the most, the longest time on the charts for 1987. Your choices are, that is the wrong question. I'm going to say that is not what you say. These are in the wrong order. Tina? All right. We're going to start with this one.

Actors who starred in a movie with a color in the title. Which of these six actors starred in a movie with a color in the title? Glenn Close, Whoopi Goldberg, Charlton Heston, Robert Redford, Merrill Streep, and Malcolm McDowell. I had to do some research on this one, by the way, and make sure that since this card was printed, none of the losing answers had starred in a movie with colors in the title. in the title. Trying to think. All right.

I'm trying to go down to each actor going through their movie list. I know. It's hard because it's making me skip. My brain's skipping all over the place. Yeah, yeah. And Robert Red, Ford having read in his name is not helping. Right. It does not help.

Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't help. I'm doing too because I cannot. I'm doing too because I think he was in that one, but I'm not sure. I know. One for 100%, the other one kind of. Yeah, one 100%. One's easy.

All right. Well, you guys both locked in on the easy one, right? Whoopi Goldberg, the color purple, of course. One of you went with Malcolm McDell. The other one went with Robert Redford. Scott, you went with Malcolm McDell. What's the movie? The clockwork orange, which is a color.

Exactly. Exactly right. Robert Redford, no. Still never been in a movie with a color in the title. Charlton Heston, Soylent Green. Oh, green? I couldn't remember. I just remember the line, Soilent people or, what is it?

Soilent people. Made out of people. Yeah, I don't remember the name. People is the word you're looking for. Yeah. All right. I'll take the three, though. I feel good about that.

Good job. Take the three points. Very good. All right. Question number two, I think. Let's see. Oh, good. Yes, it is the one that I have.

Characters encountered by Odysseus on his travels. You're in a sea. I'm sorry, you're in to see. Polyphemus, Medea, Circe. Plato and Calypso, which of these three? Holy shit. I don't know the answer to this shit. Yuri dice.

I know one for sure. Urinal dice. I know one for sure. Uri dice. I know. Think back to O Brother, where art thou. I think that's a trick. I think.

Big Dan. I've got to go for it here because I've only got. I love Big Dan All right Maybe Scott will blow it And I'll can tie him at least Let's try that Once again you guys locked in on the same one

Paula Femus absolutely And that was That was John Goodman right And no brother He's a he's a What do you call it? Cyclops right when I Yep exactly

One of you One of you chose Circe The other one chose Medea One of you is correct And the other one of you is incorrect Circe Madia was a trick Medea was a trick

I totally I picked the three on the left when I tried this myself I thought he I thought those three were once he'd encounter and I did not think Circe, Plato or Calypso

but Calypso being the third one Paul Femus Circe and Calypso Nice Because Plato was a real dude Right Plato was a guy Plato was the real dude Yeah yeah yeah exactly It was a guy right

He was a real dude He was a real man Yeah Let's go well last question You kind of already had a little preview of it. Which three of these were the top three singles of 1987? Your choices are. Moni, Moni by Billy Idol.

Little Lies by Fleetwood Mac. Walk like an Egyptian by the Bengals. Alone by Heart. Open your heart by Madonna and shake you down by Gregory Abbott. I'm going all in. Oh. You're graduated. I should know this.

Not that I was much of a radio guy. I was more of a heavy metal guy then. In that case, let me see. Listen to a lot of Metallica in 87. Chicken. They're not, sadly, they're not up here. No. All right.

You both locked in, well, all over the place with your answers. You both did choose Walk Like an Egyptian by the Bengals. That absolutely... I felt pretty sure about that one. Yeah, that actually was number one of the three that were the biggest songs of 1987. The second biggest song of 1987 alone by a... heart. Oh, do I get you

alone? Damn it. Number three, shake you down by Gregory Abbott. And I defy anybody, any of you, either of you, to sing any line

from Shake you down by Gregory Abbott. Shake you down. Can we, I'm going to play a tiny bit of it because I want to know. So I'm just to do a tiny face. Oh, I remember that. Maybe I want to shake you down.

That's it, yeah. Isn't that? I mean, that's like taking money. Take them out in the back and shake them down. You get to figure out where... Yeah, it's mob stuff. Anyway, all right, which means we have to go to a tiebreaker. Oh, Tybreaker.

It's been a while. I just haven't had a tiebreaker right here. It has been a while. Let's stay in the movie realm. Alfred Hitchcock directed 53 major films. In how many of those films did he make a cameo appearance. So we're looking for a number less than

54 is what we're looking at. So 53 films he did. How many of those did he make a cameo appearance? Scott, you the first batch of points on the board in the first rounds, but you pick whether you want to give the answer or give the higher or lower.

Oh, gosh. I'm going to do the higher or lower on this one. Okay. All right. Brian, give me your answer? How many of those films, of those 53 films, did Hitchcock make a cameo appearance? See, Scott made one, he made one classic blunder. I'm going to go right down the middle so it doesn't give him anything.

It's still going to be on him. Let's have a 53. I'm going to go, right. I'm going to go 26 then. 26? All right. Lower. 26 is incorrect.

Scott, you are going lower. Yeah. The actual answer is 39. It's actually higher. Yeah. What? Yeah, 39 films he made a cameo appearance. And walking dogs are appearing as the before and after and a weight loss ad, all that stuff.

I'm shocked by that. I guess the ones I always think of his movies, I don't think he's in a lot of those. Like, is he in rear window? Oh, yes. He's in a lot of stuff. He's in the apartment, in another, the piano player's apartment looking at something on the mantle in rear window. Damn it.

Yeah. And he's in the shower in Psycho. He's in the shower. Yeah, he's really quick. Yeah. I think Psycho is the one where he's the before and after weight loss ad. So it's the opposite of what I think. I just think he's not in any and he's in most of them is what it is.

Yeah, exactly. He's walking a poodle in the birds. Walk in the Poodle. Walk in the Poodle. Walk in the Poodle. I'll be right back. I'll be right back. I'm going to go walk the Poodle.

That means congratulations going to Rickard in Sweden. Rickard, you are getting a copy of a couple of escape, fun little escape games. You're getting escape simulator, which actually is another one of these games that's good with two people. So you're getting two codes to play that with a friend. And you're getting another escape thing, escape from Mistwood Mansion. Congratulations. Rickard. Hope you can escape from all of these.

things. But don't worry, Mason and Sacramento, you're getting some fell seal arbiter's mark. You're getting the game and the missions and monsters DLC. So you're not going home empty handed either. I'd say he's going home full-handed. That's what that sounds like. That's right. Oh, yeah, lifeboat he's in the before and after ad. That's right. These prizes for once in a long time, I don't know what any of these games are. I've never heard of a fell seal and never heard of escape from Mustwood Mansion. These are all new to me. Well, congratulations, though. And Brian will have those over to you shortly.

Hey, Dunaway, how do you feel today about your win? I feel pretty good about it, Scott. Yeah. I'll tell you, coming in today, I was a little bummed. Yeah. But now I'm riding a high. Yeah, now you're feeling good. I'm feeling good about myself.

That's great. You and I, we had a weird Sunday because we recorded Play Retro on a Sunday, and we talked about postal. And I recommend people check that out because there's a lot of weird history there. That is a, that is a game that it holds a very special, not place in people's hearts, but a place in video game history that is fun to walk around and talk about, not necessarily to play. Yeah, yeah, sure.

Yeah, just talking about how. Just as controversial today, if you were to try to make a game like this today using the same elements, not necessarily the same graphics, you would still probably run against the same amount of controversy. Yeah, guaranteed. when that dude did it in 2015 but that game called Hatred, which is essentially that again, it caused a real stir and probably still

would, and probably deservedly so, but we also get into the weeds on well, the video games really, is it really a problem? Like all the kids that were supposed to be corrupted by Doom, they're all normal adults now working, you know, they're in charge. Well, most of us. Some of us are normal. Some of us still feel like we have to do

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That's right. Don't be licking no banisters or whatever you did. If there's zero conflicts, perfect perfect yeah be careful out there hey al Pacino in the news uh yeah he's old but he still is a brand new dad uh wow he uh the godfather has never been a godfather by the way they start this article uh because of words which is pretty funny but he says it's fun to be a new dad nobody's ever asked him to be their godfather the godfather to their kids that that seems like uh you know it's a missed opportunity maybe it's too low low hanging fruit or something i don't

Maybe, yeah. But at least he's pretty sure that it's the case. One of the biggest film stars of all time, Al Pacino, is sitting in a suite in Beverly Hills Hotel, looking surprised at the idea that this is an honor which has passed him by. I'm not convinced, but I don't hang with people who might ask me, I guess, he muses. Hoa! He said.

Whoa? I was half the man. I was to take a plane floor to that place. That's right. He says, I don't remember anyone ever asking me that. If you are Al Pacino's Godchild, and he has forgotten. forgotten. As his character, Michael Corleone famously said in The Godfather, it's not personal. Anyway, he has a baby. He's got a 16-month-old now, and he's 83. That's pretty good when you're,

I guess your sperm still takes purchase. Still viable. Exactly. Yeah. His wife is much younger, his current wife. And he is a father for the fourth time last year at age 83. And he's got a book about all this um the book has a way of guaranteeing that the baby will have an opportunity to learn about his father's story i want to be around for this child and i hope i am he shares i hope i stay healthy and he knows who his dad is of course he also was in this interview rocking a um a shrek phone case and he says he has the shrek case because his kid likes the case and they said are you a fan of shrek or something and he didn't seem to know what shrek was right right i don't know what my kid likes.

I don't think he knows. I don't know. What is a Shrek? Yeah. What's a Shrek? Whoa! Smells like perfume. I don't think he can come from the other side of the room.

I don't think he can do that anymore, can't he can't really. No, that, well, I know, or he might be only able to do that voice. Like, it's just a little more whispery and growly, but, uh, yeah. Yeah. He was. Do we know how old the woman is that, uh, that he's having the baby with? 30s, I think, but all that we can look here. I'm not seeing it yet in the article, but

wife. Let's see. Let's take a look here. She is She looks, oh, she's 30. 30. Yeah. Wow. I mean, I'm sure she's in it. I'm sure she's in it for just, just, you know, for love. It's all love. Yeah. She's in there for the love. Yeah. She's in there for the love. She's almost a full one of us here than him. Mm-hmm. Yeah. old is he uh okay so he's already oh he's a daughter he has a daughter who's 34 oh god so he's a daughter

who's four years older than than a wife he has right now that's crazy i don't know what i mean look i'm not here to judge they're consenting adults it's still a little weird it's a little weird yeah i don't like it what are you doing that way that thanksgiving your 34 year old daughter comes over and hugs your 30 year old stepmom it's weird i don't like it is weird and uh Does she now just dinner at 4 o'clock now? Is that what she's resigned her life to be? Del Boca Vista, Phase 2, waiting for that to happen? That's right, exactly.

No salts. Keep it bland. Keep it bland. He did reveal in that interview, and I guess it was talked about before, but he almost died in 2020 with the COVID there. Oh, really? Yeah, came within. I guess for a while he was dead, and they brought him back, resuscitated him.

And he says he's glad that that. that didn't take him. Well, we are too, Mr. Pacino. We are, too. I do love El Pacino. And you know what? There are far worse people. He's left, he's given us a legacy of great movies and, uh, sure, uh, except for, wasn't he in Dick Tracy? Didn't he play one of the, one of the bad guys in Dick Tracy? I don't remember, did he? Maybe. I don't remember. I know he was in, he was in, he was in that, uh, Dick and Jane thing or whatever it was called, and that was terrible. Fun with Dick and Jane. Something like that, the Adam Sandler thing. And he says that he says that

He only did it because he was broke at the time or something. He had no money. Yeah, no, there was Jack and Jill. Jack and Jill. Jack and Jill. That's it. Yeah, he claims that he had no money and needed the money, which just seems crazy to hear Al Pacino say that. I feel like his royalty should be.

Big boy Caprice in Dick Tracy. He was in Dick Tracy? He was in Dick Tracy. Yeah, here's his image from Dick Tracy. I cannot remember for sure. Oh, yeah, that is. that's wild move over Colin Farrell

we got another guy that looks unrecognizable I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't well whatever I don't think I remember seeing Dick Tracy

I think I've seen it but I don't remember it at all like nothing yeah we saw in theaters and I couldn't tell you one thing about it except that Madonna sang a song in it

yeah she's the only one not wearing wacky makeup I remember that Dick Tracy talked into his watch, I think. Yeah. Yeah, and he had no... Him and Madonna had no wacky makeup, but everybody else did. Right, exactly. Everybody else did.

Yeah. Which I don't understand. It's hard for me to remember, like, which ones of these are old Spider-Man gangster villains or Dick Tracy characters? Like, Hammerhead looks like it could be both. We should probably just knuckle down and do film sack. We should sack it. Get it over with. We haven't yet.

Never watch it again after that. all right well that's going to do it for the news today we're going to take a break when we come back the little science with bobby so get ready for that you're about to be blasted with knowledge and before that we have to have a song brian what you got sure well you've got chance the rapper you've got tyler the creator you've got cedric the entertainer uh who else do we have young the giant does that count sure i don't know how that works the people um well i'm introduce you now to Walter the producer who's back with a brand new single

called Little Lies. This is a follow-up to the success of Bad Bad Man, his first single from his forthcoming project, Little Lies. He's working with Grant Boutin from Tate McRay and the Jonas Brothers and

this is cool. He's already gotten a lot of praise from K-E-XP, K-C-R-W and Apple Music's Zane Lowe. This is the brand new song it is called little lies here is walter the producer little lies little lies they keep building up you can walk a mile on what they building on man i'm tired of this drug you don't put me on i think i need new dose if i'm being honest

the way you keep talking about me and you man i can't seem to figure out what piece of this puzzle that's missing now that's a hole i can't fix it from being honest I think we should start facing it. Let's go our separate ways for now. Little lies, little lies keep on stacking up So many times that they look like a hill from far Anymore and I think I might just hike it up Just to see what you think you won't get from all this

we're done. You could have a broken watch, but time still goes on. I don't stand if you wouldn't want to keep on gone. I don't think I understand what you'll get from all this. I think we're going crazy. I think we're both going faking in. I think we're both gone faking in. start facing it Let's go our separate ways for now Why choose a sleep number smart bed? Can I make my sight softer? Can I make my site firmer? Can we sleep cooler? Sleep number does that. Cools up to eight times faster and lets you choose your ideal comfort on either side.

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time uh that was uh walter the producer he's just 21 years old from los angeles but he's quickly emerged as a formidable talent in the indie world that is his brand new single little lies go check him out uh let's get this here bobby show on the road bobby show bobby show he is uh bobby show on the road being added to the call and that means good times ahead so strap in for this where is it science bob is hungry and the soup looks good sure does bob frankenberger we call him bob and he probably doesn't want to be called bob so i don't know why i did that but bobby is here so make you feel weird when we call you bob or how's that feel when we do that it doesn't i mean

my mom is the only one who calls me bob but you can't it doesn't all right it feels like we begin every Bobby statement with the discussion of whether he's a Robert or a Bob or who tells him that. Yeah, we're a Bill. Well, it's good to have you here, man. We've missed having you here because we don't have any science that happens without you, right?

That's what we wait for. So how are we supposed to go on without it? And finally, you're here to throw us a line. And you just got over a bunch of family being in town. So I guess congratulations on your surviving that. How'd that go? Yeah, it was pretty crazy. My parents were in town,

and my brother his his kids so my nieces they were they were here but they live out in Texas so we never see them and and so they brought them they were visiting my parents and they brought them so that our kids could hang out with them and but it was wild having four kids and four adults and two dogs and two guinea pigs in the house and um it was fun it was just exhausting and i didn't get normally i have like normally i have a whole it just upset the routine for the week and last week was also a little crazy I didn't get hardly anything done but I got science figured out

if nothing else that we're glad I figured out all of science is what I did all right finally because you know we've been trying to do that for hundreds of years and to say that you finally found the answer I can't believe you've saved it for this show you know where the premier science information lands

in the world so lay it on us so that we can you know not all science is figured out actually I have I do, and this is just brief, and then I'll get into what we're, what I am bringing today, but I do, I don't know if I've mentioned before here, but I know I have on the, on our podcast, all around science, by the way, check it out. Yeah. The, I do science stuff, communication and, and teaching science in my daughter's elementary school. and I was supposed to do something this week and I was supposed to work on it last week

and it's like not getting done Oh no Somebody's running too many mythic dungeons right now I think it might be I did see announcements in the instance channel or in the core channel yeah Which congrats but yeah Yeah well done what do you

So is it just like They used to do this for my kids with art stuff Is it just like one of those deals Where the science teacher you know gets a knowledgeable person to come in it's it started as that like a couple years ago uh my older daughter's fourth grade teacher was was i went for they do like a curriculum night where you just go in and they teach you or show you the students show you what they've been doing and stuff and and um i always like to introduce myself to the teachers because i was also i help out at their school in all kinds of different

ways um so uh so i introduced myself to her and i said hey just let her know what i do i do science communication if you ever i'd love to know what you guys are doing maybe i come in and and a chat with them about you know something whatever sure um and so she slowly we worked up to that and i came in and showed them some like little simple science demos like how to make a cloud in a bottle and all this kind of stuff and eventually it progressed to where i i um every now and then i go in and sit down with the teachers during when they're planning the the for the semester or for the for the half year when they're planning their curriculum they call it their extended planning periods they'll sit down while they're doing that and talking about what they plan

to do with science and I'm like jotting down ideas and saying oh well while you do this you know there's this cool science demonstration I could come in and help with and so that's great oh my gosh what a great way to be involved and get kind of like knowing knowing ahead of time and being able to prepare something really cool to support what the teachers already doing is really cool. So a lot of times though what I do is I end up coming

up with a cool idea and I don't actually at the time have it like I don't actually have it made yet but I'm like oh we could do this I'll figure out how to do it later. Sure.

Sure. Sorry we lost Brian. nope he's back no he's not quite back now he's back now I'm back okay kids we're going to teach you all about mitosis using the World Warcraft dungeon uh yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly video here I mean how how tempted are you since you didn't do the prep you wanted to to just go in there with some liquid nitrogen and do the old standards you know what I mean

man that would be a balloon shatter it like a glass yeah yeah that would be amazing I have it I'm I'm actually actively building it the thing I'm doing is trying to show the third graders how wind is made, you know, because the way I like to make wind. Yeah, dude. Now, that's a science class I want to go to.

Yeah. I walked right into that. But the wind is just the like air, warm air and cold air next to each other. The cold air moves to the warm air and then that's wind, right?

And so I have this way I've seen it done and I'm so I'm making it now is using a fish tank where you have a coal, you have a partition in the middle of the fish tank and you

put warm water in one side and cold water in the other side and you add food coloring to one of them and then you lift the partition and you

watch how you can see it moving. Oh, that's cool. I like that. It is really cool. So wait, what would one

expect from that? Like, I actually don't know. I assume it's more viscous in the cold state and so it's slower, right? Yeah,

well, it's not so much that it's slower. It's just you see the cold water moving over to the warm one and mixing and it's like you can watch it looks like wind right like you would like you would draw it you know like oh okay so like like uh what's the word yeah like you would draw it like gusts of wind like um yeah yeah curly the the warm stuff going yeah into the cold or

whatever but yeah that's exactly um but uh but yeah it's just a cool visual way to i mean imagine you're a kid you don't you never like nobody sees the wind so it's kind of hard to visualize it's just a cool way to visualize it but I have to make it it's it's it's drying it takes a couple of days and I got started a little too late and didn't think about the fact

that we were going to have company here yeah but do you have to take a whole like you got to take a whole fish tank in there then like an entire yeah I've brought fish tanks in there before Scott yeah not a problem there's so many science demonstrations you do with a fish tank that's that's a staple of science

ham and cheese of science demonstrations i don't know why i'm hung up on the logistics but do you have to have the cold and the hot water there do you take it in ready do you have it in jugs i've got like a big like like gatorade thermos or something like that you know that i'll bring the hot water in that's cool you should film this somebody uh i want to see bobby in action there in class i'll send you i do have a cool video I did one of the most fun ones I've done was sort of like I've I've worked with my older daughter Zoe's class for many years in a row helping them with science so they knew me really well I was like the science guy you know and so as like when their fifth grade class was done at the

end and they were all going off to middle school I sort of did a really fun demonstration I've always wanted to do which was elephant toothpaste you can do it in like a really explosive way It's not explosive, but like it shoots, you know, like 50, 10 feet up in the air. Yeah, I love that stuff. And I did that and we did it set it up. I set it up to where the kids could be the ones who did it. And I got six kids in a row all with a different color. So it looked like a rainbow.

It was really cool. I have that video. Yeah, I will send that to you. Do you have that elephant toothpaste thing, by the way, so you see a lot of YouTube videos where they try to get bigger and bigger with it and stuff. Is there anything toxic about it or bad about it? Like if a kid. No, it's just that it's like. it's an exothermic reaction so it's

when it first happens it's pretty hot yeah so you just have to be really careful about that but it's not toxic okay really so a kid could face plant it like an idiot and you know it'd be okay you don't want to eat it but you don't want to

your eyes you know you wear goggles you wear gloves you all right your mouth shut kids don't get any open toothpaste your mouth makes sense to me it's not creating mustard gas or anything. That's good. They'd be a very alternate story to what I was told about World War I

mustard gas, so I'm glad it's not that. Well, that's great. If you, you know, if things go well, you'll have to report back and tell us how you've changed the lives of the future generation. Yeah, I taught the kids how to make wind, yeah. Yeah. You're a kid. Kids have some lentils.

Yeah. But I'm going to talk about something else a little bit different today, and that is, so let me ask you guys to start here. How often do you guys go to the dentist? Every six months. Three months for me. Every three months? Every three months? Yeah.

Because I have one of my teeth is very porous. And so we just, we up the frequency that I go. You got a Swiss cheese tooth. I have a Swiss cheese tooth. And it sadly doesn't taste as good as Swiss cheese does. But yeah. Yeah. I've heard you talk about you don't really care for going to the dentist.

And it's unfortunate that you have to go wrong. I have to go so much more frequently than. than other people, yeah. Yeah. When you go to the dentist, Scott, how often do you get x-rays? Cleanest you get cleaning every six months. Yeah, cleaning every time.

X-rays every time. Well, let me think about that. Yeah, no, always x-rays. Oh, really? Every time. Every time they do x-rays, except they're not traditional x-rays. It's some new thing.

My dentist is crazy about new tech. He's always doing new stuff. But they also do the big camera wand. and they go in there and check out all the nooks and crannies. And then they make like 3D versions of my teeth and stuff and then do these like zoom ins and crazy stuff. So they're always doing shit like that. But the X-R-A is it's not the traditional like hold the thing in your mouth,

pull up the big camera anymore. It's some other thing. That uncomfortable chunk of plastic, the bite wings. Yeah, because it's like the most awkward position to keep it is like, okay, now don't move. And I'm like, I got it held like this sharp piece of plastic going right in my gums. Thank you. You don't want him to move? Freaking hurts. They suck. I hate that stuff. But yeah, they do the full checkup.

They do, uh, they do this thing now where whoever the dentist is, whether it's my main one or his brother or the other guy that got at this practice, they'll do, they came in with their gloves and do like a really hard mouth thing with their fingers. And they'll just go, like all on the inside of your mouth. And they're feeling for legions and bumps. I guess the, you know, it's a great way to detect early mouth cancer or something. Yeah. So they're always doing that now. They didn't used to do that, but now they do it. Wow. And then they used to have you chomp down on that horrible fluoride thing that always was supposed to taste like mint, but it doesn't. It tastes like vomit. Instead, the fluoride

treatment is they paint it on with a thing now and it tastes like, well, you can choose the flavors, but I always get the caramel flavored one because it's the least offensive. But they just paint it on now and they just say, don't eat anything hot for the next four hours or whatever it is. So that's basically my appointment. And if they find something, then like, well, we need to schedule this filling in two weeks or whatever. But for the most part, it's every six months, and then I don't have to think about it for six months. Well, back in April,

there were a bunch of dentists and medical professionals and scientists in the field of dentistry. They co-authored a paper that was published called Optimizing Radiation Safety in Dentistry. And it called out the overuse of X-rays in dentistry. Oh, tell me more. So apparently, so the dentists will tell you all the time that it's recommended that you get one

an x-ray every year. Sometimes they'll say every other year. And apparently apparently and my dentist does too, I get one every year. So every other visit because I go every six months. Yeah, it's every year for me. It's every fourth visit for me.

Every fourth visit. Yeah. Holy cow. I'm so sorry, Brian. Oh my God. It sucks, but it's something I've learned to live with. It's like, yeah, well, you're born with a weird born with a mutant tooth. Doesn't give me any superpowers, but whatever. It just means I have to go more often.

But apparently, apparently, I don't want to call Dennis liars, all right, because I don't know where they're getting it from because I'm not a dentist,

but apparently the American Dental Association actually doesn't recommend any time window for x-rays at all. And instead, they emphasize that dentists should rely

on clinical exams and x-rays should only be used when clinically justified. So four out of five Dennis believe once a year is good. But that fifth dentist is like, no, we're not doing it. Yeah.

Yeah. Why now? I feel like this is a thing that I'm going to get an X-rays from Dennis every year or six months to a year since I was 10 or something. Well, I don't know how this started. I didn't dig that deep. And the article I read didn't, the couple of articles and the paper I read didn't go into that much detail, at least at the level that I read it at. but um this has been being talked about in uh there's sort of a so there's a big in medical in medicine in general there's this big movement that's been going on for a couple of decades called evidence based medicine and and more specifically um science based medicine which is not

the same thing evidence based medicine and science based medicine are kind of a little bit different um they they they're going towards the same end but but but there's they're slightly different um but anyway that's that's not the point the point is that dentistry has been starting to there's been a movement in dentistry to do the same thing evidence based dentistry right um and so for the past almost 10 years i guess people have been talking about this overuse of of uh radiation or or x-rays in dentistry and trying to do some research and figure out How often do we really need to be doing this? This isn't an uncommon thing to happen in medicine in general.

You come up with a new diagnostic test that's able to discover things and suddenly everybody wants to use it because why wouldn't you want to detect things that might be wrong with you, right? Sure. But the problem with doing that and the care that has to be taken is that sometimes when you are doing diagnostics, or preventive diagnostics or when you're looking for things, you can sometimes do more harm than good. Not only can you sometimes have false negatives, that's always a concern, false negative being that you miss something that is there. But more importantly, sometimes you can end up with false positives,

and that meaning that you find something or you think you found something that isn't really there and you treat something that you didn't need to treat because it wasn't something that needed to be treated that causes financial strain on the patient and also can cause medical strain because you're going through medical procedures that you maybe didn't need. Yeah. Yeah, this almost happened to me last year

because I went in for a tooth that's kind of petrified. I have a weird tooth. And it's been this way since I was a kid. So it's a little like Bryans except... Made of stone or scared? It's almost like the... Maybe a little of both, but it's, It's like the opposite of Brian's.

Brian's got porous issues with his. Mine is like this weird compressed. Forrest throwing in your mouth. Ancient stone in my mouth. And they're always checking it to see if it does anything new. And they had a new dentist in. And he said, oh, we got to, we got to extract that and get a implant in there or a crown at least. We got, then this needs to app and ASAP.

And I went, really? Because for, I've been coming to this dentist for 20 years. And he has always said, yeah, that one's still not, you know, it's still there. It's doing its thing. And so I just had this feeling that he was jumping to a conclusion that didn't fit. And I said, well, hold off. Let me talk to Dr. Matthews. And I did.

And he said, yeah, you don't need to. We're not doing anything to that. That too's fine. And so in this case, it was a little bit about experience, too. Like this newer dentist hadn't really seen anything like that. I wasn't sure how to react to it or whatever his thinking was. But that's an example of it, right? There's still humans doing the detecting and the testing and the whatever.

fallible human judgment being yeah and i'm keeping that petrified tooth till i die i'm telling you right now well i don't know if you have a choice do you i guess you could have it i could have it taken out but i ain't letting anybody take it out i'm gonna even if somebody i go to a whole new dentist and they're like well i don't know why they've been telling you that for half your life but we're taking that out i'll say eff off it's staying up there look at that thing it's like a piece of redwood forest that's 100 million years old will that become a problem though when you're, you know, turned into brownie mix? No.

No. Ruin the blend tech blender? No, because the, my understanding is, Bob, you might know about this. But when you get, when you get, what do you call it? What do you call it? What do you call it? Creamated. Creamated.

When they cremated, you're, you're the, the bones and the, oh, so actually, Brian's got a good point. What if that bone? Yeah, your bones and your teeth are still left over. actually have to grind those manually. Yeah. Everything else has turned to ash. So I'm going to give some old lady a bad tooth because my tooth's so hard. That's what's going to happen.

All right. I'm excited. Add one. One more in the column of why I should do it. It's perfect. Wow. All right. I like it.

The whole issue of diagnostics, it's a common trend that you see in medicine that over time, the American Medical Association or medical regulation organizations tend to ease up on the frequency of diagnostic tests that are being done preventatively. So like

there may be women listening who have experienced this with mammograms and pap smears. They used to be required later or much earlier in life and much more frequently. Now it's recommended not to do them until a little bit later

and not anywhere near as frequently. It's definitely not yearly. Papsmears, I think, was the most recent one. They don't do them yearly anymore. Or at least that's the recommendation. It's just for the same reason. You know, like, you don't want to think you found something that you did find.

And they base all this on data from clinical data. and scientific data from from from experiments and testing and everything trying to figure out you know do these diagnostic tests actually prevent what we are trying

to prevent right right or just give people the sense that they're preventing it because they're always getting checked right so the idea is yeah right so let's take a look at dentistry the idea with getting a yearly x-ray is that you would prevent cavities or you would detect cavities early and you can do something about it right so the research should be and it has been there was a systematic review done in 2021 that showed that um using x-rays to detect

early tooth decay actually resulted in a high degree of false negative so that's the false negatives again which is missed cases you're actually and so the the issue there is hey we think we don't see anything and so maybe they're not the they're not doing the other things that could have been done because they're overrelying on x-rays that could be one problem

also there was another 2021 clinical trial randomized clinical trial that showed adding x-rays to a dental exam led to also could lead to false positive diagnosis of cavities

so you're getting things done that didn't need to be done stuff like that and there's apparently a lot of evidence that in the long run, even treating early treatment of cavities might not actually lead to any positive outcomes. So I know, for example, my dentist, when they detect like soft spots in the teeth and they're like, oh, we got to keep an eye on that, they try to wait before they do anything. Right. Because, you know, I asked them about that one time. So what are you

looking for and why do you wait and why don't why don't we just go ahead? You know, I was just curious. I'm not like questioning their methods, you know. But you're curious. Yeah, you want to know. Yeah. And so they, she explained to me, she was like, well, you know, this could turn into a cavity. It's, this is the beginning of a cavity, but sometimes nothing happens. Sometimes it just stays this way. And so there's no point in treating it if it's not going to go anywhere. Um, so we just keep an eye on it. And so there's all that kind of stuff. And, um, I've never had a lady. I'm jealous. I've never had a lady dentist. It's all dudes.

It's all sausage. Oh, sausage fest in my whole life with Dennis. All the assistants are ladies and none of the main people are ladies. I don't know why. Current Dennis for me is a dude and then all the hygienists are ladies. But previous, we had a previous dentist who was a woman and she, we had issues. When Tristan was growing up, when he was little, he was freaked out about anybody putting anything in his mouth. And so the dentist we had at the time had to show them every tool that they were about, that she was.

about to put into his mouth and um and then when we switched dentist because we moved the the new dentist had no idea about that and tristan flung his hands up when he was about to put a syringe in tristan's mouth to to numb it to do a cavity drilling and uh nearly nearly stabbed himself with the uh with the syringe dang did he ever see a tool back when they were showing him where it was he where he said no yeah no no no okay because because she would just explain all right, I'm using this little pointy thing to scrape a tartar off of your enamel, and I'm using this thing to brush, and I'm using this thing to, you know, to get in between the little cracks in your gums or check the gum depth or whatever. Sure. That's super interesting because I think that that would probably, I have a lot of dental anxiety, but I don't want to see the tools sometimes.

You think it would be worse actually to say, oh my God, that's what you've been putting in my mouth this whole time? Yeah, I think it would freak me out. Like you see the needle sometimes, and it's a little freaky. yeah but yeah i almost rather not see i don't know i don't even know what that sonic you know the little sonic um water drill thing looks like but uh yeah i don't either that they use for the main cleaning i just know i know the sound it makes and i know that that's a great time for me to turn on uh noise cancellation and catch up on my podcasts with my great time to close your eyes because a bunch of a bunch of water's going to land in your eyes if you don't oh god they give

a cool ass sunglasses i look like uh um um cruz and risky business when i go to the dentist Oh, I'd never get those. Yeah, you'd be like wayfarers or something. Now I'm questioning everything. Right. Wow. All right. Well, that's interesting.

You know, like it's the kind of thing that gets tricky, right, Bobby? Because you've got people that you hold in the highest of professional regards, or at least you generally do. We're like, well, they know, they should know more about my teeth or my body or whatever kind of doctor they are than anyone I could talk to. Right. And you can get lulled into a sense of. there's perfection there, right? Well, I want to say, I want to say that I'm not calling out Dennis. That's not what I'm doing.

Because I also just, you know, I also just read this this morning. So it's not, I just thought it was interesting. I think it's really interesting when there's a field, especially in the medical field, a professional or a, you know, a group of people who've been doing things for a long time. And we take things for granted. I think it's really interesting when we, when we, are able to look at evidence and science and say, like, oh, well, maybe the way we've been doing it forever, maybe it, maybe either there was never any evidence for why we did it. It's interesting to think of why we started doing it. Or maybe the evidence has changed or the science has advanced and said, and we need to take another look at it. And, and, um, but I don't know. Some of these people get, some of the people who are trying to change dentistry in this way. point to the fact that

that dentistry is one of those medical fields that still is unique in the medical in all of medicine in that they still kind of are siloed to themselves they kind of and I think a lot of dentistry

tries to protect that you know like they're not they have to get their own they work really hard to get their own sort of I don't No, I'm struggling with how to describe this, but, you know, like, they, they take care of everything in-house. They have, they try to get their own special, um, uh, agreements with insurance companies. Um, they're, they're really, really careful about accepting this and that insurance. And I think it's because they want to have a lot more autonomy. Um, and, um, and they don't want to be beholden to like, you know, like a lot of doctor's offices you go to nowadays. they're all part of medical groups right right and um but uh but also one of the things about doctors offices is in that the other larger medical field is that because they've subdivided a

lot of the things when you get a diagnostic test done at the doctor's office it's sent off to another lab or you get referred to a specialist to go get this thing done or something and so you have a lot more people with a lot more eyes on what's happening um and so so things can be caught, more people can think about things. It's just more opportunities to say, to take a step back and scratch your chin and say like, hmm, I wonder if. Yeah. You know, and then also because they're spread around like that, there's a lot more oversight. Like organizations have to get a lot more oversight and so practices get re-evaluated. But there's downside to that too. And that's why dentists, I think, have said like, we want our practice to be. When you, everything is handled in

your dentist's office, right? So start, usually, start to finish everything, unless you need like orthodontic work. Special peridon. Yeah, right. Sometimes you need, like, they have to send out to labs for stuff, but yeah, for the most part. Right. So my point being, I'm not like saying, we need to take Dennis to task. And, you know, like, that's not what I question everything. Yeah. Yeah. I think this is just really interesting how they, they are medical professionals and they kind of have their own world and I wonder what the consequences are

that a lot of people don't realize maybe or a lot of the benefits you know and so this is just one of those things like this thing that we take for granted just detecting cavities I wonder if it's working the way that we think it's working and it's worth looking at you always worth it

well may our petrified teeth and our holy teeth continue to be watched over carefully by professionals you know is it that Brian is it the same tooth that they have to be careful when they're doing the cleaning and stuff is that the same no no there's uh yeah an exposed nerve in in a upper tooth and the porous tooth is a front um front lower oh gotcha uh one or back left lower yeah i have a similar issue where i always have to tell them just please be careful around that one you're gonna you're gonna sing me i don't know if they have a it's amazing i don't know if they're they've gotten better at things or um Or they have a record in my, in the notes as they're going through it. But the last few times I've gone, several times I've gone, they have not hit that spot.

Like they are, they give me a full cleaning and I've had different hygienists. And not once have they hit that, the zing zone, you know, the, uh, the zing zone. I like it. Zing zone. I haven't either. That's funny you say that. Maybe those sonic things and stuff are just less. Maybe they're better at it or, yeah.

Something. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm always on edge about it. And I'm worried that one day I'm going to relax and then they're going to do it again. And that's when it's going to get you right. Yeah, sure. You know, Cindy, your hygienist probably will write in with some answers to that.

She's my eye doctor, but yes. Or she's the person. Oh, I thought, is there somebody from the dentist office that writes in or is there? I don't think so. I'm just confusing with Cindy. You might be the same. Next time when I call out all the eye doctors. The eye doctors.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, same deal. She's an eye doctor. Yeah, she's, she's awesome. I got to go in there in January, so thanks for the reminder. Anyway, well, that's great. Hey, Bobby, that was awesome.

I love talking about this stuff with you. And here's some other good news for everybody. If you like the instance 2.0, good news, there's an episode this Saturday we're recording. And it's going to be great because Bobby's got a lot of freaking dungeon mythic plus business behind him now. So you're going to get a handful of that. a mouthful, a brainful, whatever full thing you got. Whatever vessel you want to fill, we have it, and it'll be this Saturday. So looking forward to that for the October edition of the instance 2.0.

Bobby, is there anything else you'd like to mention? Tell people about your science podcast, all that other stuff, whatever you got. Yeah, as I mentioned earlier, the podcast I do is all around science, and it's a weekly podcast. We talk about science, what we find interesting and what's going on in the news and everything. And just check it out. I don't off the top of my head from this crazy week. Remember what we talked about last week. So I'm not going to try to make it up now.

You just go check it out if you want to know. Yeah. Keystone plus eight, everybody. Keystone plus eight. All right. We'll see you next time. He has been dominating the dungeon business. Just killing it.

That's awesome. Yeah. I wish I had the patience. And he does it with randos. He likes to do it with with pugs. Yeah. Good for him. Yeah.

It's a lot of work. and he somehow pulls it off. All right, that is it for today's program. We do have one final thing here, I believe. Yep, this quick text we got from genisaurus, who says on the subject of quicksand, genisaurus again, regarding quicksand, I read something about it a while back. It dies exist, she means does, but nowhere near as prevalent as we thought. It also is rarely deep enough for you to fully sink in over your head and you can easily get out. Small animals are in more danger than a person. So there you go. A little follow up on that. We should have asked Bobby, too, because I know you had some stuff to say about quick sand last week. Yeah, I wonder in what area, like what countries is like South America kind of thing? You think like, you know, more humid parts. Where is this fast sand you speak of?

That's right. Exactly. Well, anyway, thank you for that. If you guys have thoughts on anything we've talked about today, if any of you work in a dental office and want to reach in and tell us how you do things, any of that kind of stuff, We are open to it at the morning stream at gmail.com or you can just go to the website and email us there, frogpans.com slash TMS.

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