The Morning Stream - TMS 2728: What is Arkanoid

Episode Date: October 30, 2024

Berkshire Von Elmer. Onion rings worth the shits. Old White Man Noise. Velveeta Apples. Come To The Coverville Grill. There Are FOUR PINGS! Omagoodness. Spinner on That Bastard. It's just Breakout. The Chappelle Roan Gaze. I Would Eat Poutiiiiiiine. The Mendoza Brothers. A lot of Bobs. The wings were sauced. Sad playlists are for only in the winter. Sadamentals with Randy and more on this episode of The Morning Stream Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Velvita apples. Come to the Coverville grill. There are four pings. Oh my goodness. Spinner on that bastard. It's just breakout. Apple Rone Gaze. I would eat Poutine.

The Mendoza Brothers. A lot of bobs. The wings were saw. Sad playlists are for only in the winter. Sedimentals with Randy and more on this episode of the morning's dream. The biggest thrill for me was when we hit wardrobe. And I happened to view Arnold's wardrobe tape. And when my arms taped out one inch bigger than Mr. Olympias, that made Jesse Ventura feel pretty good.

I'm back to my regular. The morning Looks like we missed the party Good morning, everyone, welcome to TMS for Wednesday, October 29. Sorry, 30th, it's the 30th. Holy hell. That was great. Tomorrow.

Tomorrow's the big day. you and I both like we talked pre-show and we were confused on if it was Thursday or Wednesday or whatever day it was and and well you were but uh yeah let's keep this straight I've been having that same I've been having that same issue like yeah it's like oh my God it's the tomorrow's the end of the week what what's going on I'm completely flummoxed this week apparently with what day it really is yeah the hell I don't know what it is about you know late fall or whatever but this is the time of year I start forgetting things I don't remember when the time change happens It's November something? Is it a week from this weekend? It's Sunday. No, it's this coming Sunday. See? That seems so don't wait.

Don't wait on it. Just do it. I'm just going to do it. Which means it doesn't affect me too much except I kind of like, I mean, I like to fall back. If we're going to do it, I don't want to do it at all. But if we're going to do it, I like to fall back because I get an extra hour. And I don't know. That just makes me feel like I get a little bonus time.

And then I got to work around core because John lives in Arizona where they stonchly don't follow, you know, the rest of the country and and they don't change their time so so we got to ask i wish we all would be like that yeah i want to if if at the very least if we're not going to just toss it as a concept all the state should just do what arizona did and then we effectively did it you know yeah yeah the rest of the world would have to deal with it or whatever they have to do because they all still do it but they still have to deal with it if they deal with different states right have to deal with well we got joe and arizona we have to deal with him separately from mike a thousand mile or 500 miles north of him yeah yeah you know it's like uh frustrating make the change

just make it they keep they keep tempting us with this i know you're not going to do it in an election year because there's too much other shit going on gosh no but every year they go well we're we've got a bill it might go through the congress we're thinking about the day and it's like all right well what else are you guys doing are you just stump speaking or are you actually making shit happen come on if we could somehow convince them that uh sticking with one daylight savings time would close the borders, then I think we'd have it. It would go through, Scott. What's your pitch?

Give me a pitch. Let's hear it. I want to hear this. How would you do it? All right. So we're here's an old man, old white man voice. Yeah. So if it gets darker earlier, the migrants coming up from Mexico and the other South

American and Central American countries will get confused and they'll turn around and go back calm because it'll be dark and uh i'm voting for you uh and your name will be uh berkshire uh von oh berkshire's burkshire's a good old white guy name from the south it really is yeah yeah berkshire von something elmer elmer berkshire von elmer the uh the gentleman from uh let's give you one of the carolise and you'll buy time to berkshire van elmer the gentleman from you'll be like a sanctitonia yeah there you go something like that and i think you've got a real good plan here i like your platform i'm voting for you Good. All right. Let's make it happen.

Anyway, we're here. We've got stuff. It's a Wednesday, midweek stuff business going on here. You know, we got recommendals. No Tom today is in, he's in Korea, South Korea. Yeah. War-torn. I'm sorry, this is in the 50s. Concert, one concert after another, right? Is that just one K-pop show. Goes from the black to the pink, to the black pink, back over to the BTS, and then the CTS and the DTS and the ETS. All the TS. He claims that there's more girl bands, like all girl, K-pop bands, than any of us are aware of.

I know of, like, two. He's like, there's so many, you have no idea. And I don't know why he's such an expert, but it's amazing to watch. When I was doing some searching around, I think somebody had requested a K-pop girl group that wasn't Blackpink and just said, you know, pick any other one. Or maybe it was for sound geography. There was some reason I was looking this up. And I was finding, oh, no. I think Tom was giving me some recommendations of cover songs,

and he's like, oh, yeah, well, here's this group, and they're known for this, and then here's this other one, and then here's this other one. And then one boy band, the BTS is basically... Yeah, it does feel like, it feels like they're getting overrun right now, which I think I'm okay with, but do you have... Are there covers that you were like, oh, wow, the covers out of these K-pop. There are, and I don't know how I'd ever find them in my library again,

because they were band names that did not... embed a place in my brain they just kind of ricocheted off the inside until they went out kind of like a well like an arkenoid ball that you can't get to with your spinner going too slow

oh man you guys should be if you're hearing that and going what is he what's he on about you need to sign up to our Patreon this is a really good discussion about why the arcanoid platform thing what do you call that paddle paddle or the knob the spinner

yeah but what do you call it in the game what's the Oh, that's a paddle. Yeah, I think that's right. Just a paddle. I mean, it's technically it's the ship, right? It's the... Oh, that's true, yeah, because it kind of... The Arcanoid is the...

Listen, I know Sinistar is the dude that bounces around. And I know Pac-Man is the guy you control. Right, right, right, right. But what is Archenoid? Is Archanoid the thing you're trying to get to, or is Archanoid you? Or is Arcanoid the enemy? What is Arcanoid? I don't know the answer to that.

The Arcanoid, it's like... Metroid. People always think, well, is that Sammas? No, it's the bad guys. Yeah, the bad guys are the, yeah, she's going through and getting the Metroids. Right. So the same problem. If anyone out there knows this, stat, tell us, let us know. Yeah. Oh, that's right. The, the, uh, you're, you're, the starship is the Arconoid and it's being attacked by a mysterious entity from the, from space named, do. DoH. Really? Yeah, it really is. That's for real. And it says that every time you start the game, it even tells you that like the

bit do do do do do do do that whole music thing it's showing you like the spaceship archinoid is traveling to space and is being attacked by this little

rick or a little solar opposites there for a second to space so wait a minute every family is granted a pupa and set out into space it's weird then that the the concept

then is, well, okay, first of all, is it an acronym? DoH means something more than just... I don't know, because it is all caps, DOH, and your paddle is the VALS, V-A-U-S. I hate that. I do, too. I don't like that. The boss. That's lame. Like, give us, you know, if you're

going to give us some name like that, some made-up garbage name, at least have it makes sense. Yeah, I agree with you. But it has always been a little bit weird that the aliens method for attacking Earth is to create a bunch of blocks you have to break through. Not a little weird.

It really is weird. It's not supposed to be making the blockades. They should be breaking through us. It should be the other way around. Here's something that's even better. When somebody was pitching this concept, this comes from the Wikipedia page. Somebody was explaining the game, like saying,

all right, I want to develop a game. This was the illustration of the concept. Oh, my gosh. This art I'm giving you right now, which feels like, I hope you didn't spend a whole lot of time on this because you could just say breakout. Oh, my gosh.

The energy bar. space wall and the Voss You know really it is just That's almost like That's almost a slap in the face to the breakout people You know what I mean? It really is. It's like let me explain my

Let me explain my ball and paddle and brick game to you Yeah With an illustration that took us hours to render You know games are iterative But this is just a rip off man Yeah All right well that's good to know Anyway there's more of that in the pre-show

so sign up for our Patreon. Also, I have a quick note here from Monty. Yeah. Okay. Mr. Python wrote in. He says this. He says, oh my goodness, Scott, as one giant word. Ama goodness, is how he wrote it. I'm a goodness. You brought back a memory. I'm about four or five days behind, but I had to drop everything when you talked about doing flip-stop motion books. It wasn't that long ago. I think you're not that far behind. Anyway, I forgot that I used to do those for about three years in junior high school, Eisenhower, he says. mine were a lot of driving fast cars wow i can't believe the thing i've forgotten uh cheers monte yeah i this is not the only message we got about this i guess a lot of you use the margins of your books to to make little flipbook animations and um that's cool yeah it's so and i know i'm i emphasized this when we talked about it but i cannot over emphasize just how big of a deal

it felt like at the moment that i was making those to me that was like i mean i i now know that i'm not the only one that was doing them. But at the time I was like, you, you've discovered a secret to this book, this moby, this thick moby dick edition had no idea what was coming to it. The genius of creativity that is happening in the margins. Like that was kind of my, my vibe at the time. Get Mr. Disney on the phone. They don't know the kind of bombshell I'm about to drop on the animation world. But yeah, it's always good to hear that you guys, you know, got busy doing that too. Look, kids were, this is the worry I have about today's kids and I don't want to sound like an old guy, but do they have these kinds of moments where they're just doing a thing, an emergent creativity? Or are they just picking their phones up, you know? I don't want to be that guy just saying, I want you to know. It's, it's true. Are we, you know, is, is, is creativity going to wane as the ability to distract yourself from innovation becomes more and more easy, right? Like, like, oh, wow, it sure would be really cool if I could develop a, ooh, ooh, I get a notification.

Yes, that's exactly right. Now, that doesn't mean to say there aren't some of you who will go, ooh, I could use procreate to make this, or ooh, I could use this software to make that. Like, certainly that's true. But where's the casual, I'm bored on a Friday at school? I wish it was three. Wait, these margins are cool. Ooh, I can animate. Like, you know what I mean?

Exactly. emergent opportunities, not one's presented to you or where you're told how to do it. You figure it out on your own. I want more of that, kids. Totally, totally. Rise up. Do you think the drawing in the margins thing always makes me think of Sergio Aragonis, who did that in Mad Magazine, like had all these great little animation or little drawings in the corners,

and then went on and had an incredible series called Gru the Wanderer, which over there in those boxes, those comic boxes, I have the entire run of that comic. It was so good. Yeah, guy's awesome. Do you think, what do you think came first? Do you think that somebody left some boards out for issues of Mad Magazine, and he came in and just, like, I'm going to put a little drawing right here. I really, I don't know, but I would love to know that.

Is there a good, has anyone made a good documentary about Mad's history? I would love, that would be, yeah, no kidding. The whole Mad magazine, photos of what it was like in the bullpen in there and stuff. Yeah. I don't even know what these people look like. I know what Al Jaffe's drawing of Al Jaffe looks like. I know what Don, not Bailey, Don, uh, Don, uh, with the flip, flappy feet. Yes, and the, and the noses that always had that boink.

Martin, Martin, Don Martin. Don Martin. Don Martin. Don Martin. Don Martin. Don Martin. I think Don Martin. Don Martin. I think that's right. But yeah, I know what these guys all look like in their drawings of themselves, but would love to see what they actually look like. Yeah, like William F. Gaines. I know what he looks like, because he was the editor, so you saw him in. stuff and then and they drew him a lot but then yeah who's the guy that did stuff with leport for a while um shit he was a writer the big mustache uh he did a bunch of gadget stuff i can't think of his name anyway i know what that guy looks like because of those okay new york bass guy came over his name uh someone in the chat will say it and then uh that's it you're right most of those guys i don't know oh and i know pictures of mort trucker because i followed

him like a i worshipped him like jesus i loved him so there was no way I wasn't seeing that guy. There is a Mad Magazine documentary. Oh, in the works called When We Went Mad. All right. I'm all in on this. Featring Weirdell Yankevick, Howie Mandel, the late Gilbert, Gilbert Godfried. It's in post-production right now.

Really? David Zucker, Jimmy Kimmel, Howard Stern, with appearances of Mort Drucker, Sergio, Oregonis, Jack Davis, Drew Friedman, Al Jaffee. this is in the works i'm so excited do we have a date release date uh let's see i don't see don't see one under details you guys don't even know i know right it's like this generation me and brian specifically that that exact generation ex generation mad magazine was a was our holy book okay every every month i was out there i was looking for it i got it if i could subscribe i did

if I could find out a store. Sometimes I'd double buy it. I'd buy their combo things. It was like compilations of all the best movie satires, whatever. Anything Jack Davis did. I'm going to give you a link to the worst website. Ready? This is the worst website.

And like instantly you can find 18 things wrong with this website. Oh, I don't like this at all. I mean, as soon as I logged in it, it did a text growth thing that really bothered me and gave me gas. like that yeah well first and then it and then number one no no secure uh no certificate no security certificate and that giant panel that that that is the uh the logo of the movie um is you can't scroll it you can't scroll it so all you get is this little tiny one quarter no one eighth stripe or one fifth stripe that's the only part of the thing you can scroll yeah that's that's terrible. See, Chad, you can't even see this. There's no actual way for me to show this so that you

can see it without me messing around for an hour. That's so bad. Now I'm annoyed. I hope the movie's better to the website. Yeah. That's exciting though. It is. Yeah. No kidding. One of the odds we'd be talking about this and it's in post-production. It's actually coming soon. I was hoping the website would give us more information on when to expect it. Long overdue, too. Yeah, yeah. Get that going. All right, I got a quick thing for you. I got some, since we're a day before Halloween,

thought these would be fun to go over. I love it. Experts are predicting this year's 20 most popular Halloween costumes. So when you and I are handing out candy, we were to look out for these. And now, can I look at this list or? Oh, you can totally look at it. It's not like a contest.

Okay, all right, okay. We're not playing a game. Okay, good. So we got pop culture costumes. Their list is Beetle juice. because that's back And for sure Like we saw a couple people with the Bob

Thing Oh yeah The shrunken head dude with the suit You know Bob's gonna be everywhere There's gonna be a lot of bobs Yeah And then they're gonna vary between Really hideous and kind of okay

Done right They're not gonna be great Anyway so there's that Let's see Deadpool and Wolverine So you're gonna see a lot of friends Like 12 year old buddies Coming up like that

Disney's descendants. I don't know what this is. I've never seen an episode of that show. But it's like it's the kids. It's the Kids Marty of all the Disney villains. Oh. Oh. Yeah.

Okay. So these two women means, I thought when I first saw this, I went, oh, a Chaparone or somebody. Very well, you know, it's Chapel Rhone and Remi Wolf hanging out together. I have a question about Chaparone. This is, and I want to phrase this in a way that is not going to make anybody mad because that's actually part of what i want to say there's any i don't know if good luck because i feel like uh there's a very fine line of saying something about chapel room that's not going to take somebody off and poor bo and yang found that out when he just you know oh yeah we said that she could take as much time as she wanted to

come up with her next album or whatever but please go ahead yeah so i'm gonna try i'll tread lightly and it's not i don't actually have any i have no judgment toward her at all but i feel like she has judgment toward me every time i see a photo or a video of her i feel like one when I see Chaparone, and I know that photo or video is nothing to do with me, but when I see it, I go, what did I do? I feel like I'm in trouble. She doesn't like me. She has a look that tells me that nobody is safe from the gaze of her eyes. I'm so glad you finished that sentence. Oh, that's right. I forgot she's, she's a non-binary or whatever. It's non-binary, yeah. Okay, but yeah, I didn't mean to pause on gays, you guys. I mean

G-A-Z-E, okay, is what I meant. But she just looks like I'm in trouble when something comes up. I see a video of her and she's walking toward a paparazzi to chew them out, which, by the way, I'm all four. I think the paparazzi suck. It's not that she's non-binary. She's just gay. Oh, she's just gay.

All right. So she likes the ladies. And that's great. Yeah, and that should be very clear in the song lyrics for Red Wine Supernova. If you have not heard that song. I don't think I have. Or if I have, I didn't know I was hearing it. It's great. Actually, I love that song. That was what hooked me into her music was that kept coming up as far as Apple Music recommending things based on other things I like. And it just came. Well, I know, Claire, like once you start hearing all over other songs, yes. But good luck, babe, and Pink Pony Girl and all that. But it was Red Wine Supernova that I heard. And I said, oh, I really like this. Oh, and she likes the things that I like, too.

And every time you say Red Wine Supernova, I think of Oasis. Supernova, yeah. I'm pretty sure that's, that was the Red wine supernova, Nova in the sky. Anyway, so yeah. Pink Pony Club, that's right. That's right.

Pink Pony Club. I just don't know if she's, see, look, we just barely mentioned Chapel Roan. And look at the. Thank you for helping illustrate my point. It is exactly correct. Yeah. I'm not even saying, it's not even the fan base that scares me.

I just feel like I, if I was to see her, in person. If I was at a restaurant and she walked in, I would go, hold still, don't move. Hold your hands. Keep her below the table. I don't know why. I don't know why. You'd say, Linda, Linda, you've got table five. I'm not taking table five. There's just something, something in the aura, and it's fine. I don't, I'm no judgment. I don't know her.

I don't know her. She seems independent and strong, and that's great. I'm all for that. Big huge thumbs up, but I am going to be, I'm just going to be careful around her. That's all. That's all I'm saying. Yes. It says Taylor Swift and other pop icons, and she's probably included in that, but you've got your Gaga and your Ariana Grande. Here's my question, though, unless you're Ariana Grande from Wicked or something, how do you even know it's her? How are you going to recognize that you're being a pop icon? I mean, Chapel Rhone, there you go.

The wig and the makeup is very easy to replicate and give off a Chapel Rhone look. Yeah, and be mad. I'm just circling back. See? No, okay, I'm safe. all right. Yeah, no. I mean, can I'm thinking can I interpret anything Brian said as trouble? Oh, wig.

Are you implying she, that isn't her real hair? I don't know what's going on with that. Wednesday, back to being popular. I guess this was already a thing last year. Yeah, and yeah, exactly. And you're, you know, you're definitely going to get the the Gen Ortega looked in Wednesday

and Leslie, the Christina Ricci looking Wednesday. Sure. They say Bridgerton, but I have my doubts. That's for That's for middle-aged moms. What trick-or-treat age kid is watching Bridgeton and stop it. Yeah, if you are, you've made a mistake. Unless your chapel Rome, go ahead and keep watching it. We love it.

Minions, I guess, is still a threat, and there's a new minions thing. Oh, yeah. Oh, I have not reported back. Oh, my God. We went to Fire on the Mountain Wings. I took Chris Brown there. Tina, I took Chris Brown there for his birthday. This is the wing place that serves wings in a serves tater tots in a frisbee if you get the the large size we did not get the large size

we get the medium sized tater tots were good the onion rings hands down the best onion rings i've ever had oh my gosh that's high praise because usually onion rings are kind of hard to tell the difference they are hard to tell the difference these are not your typical like here's a here's a torus of onion covered with a hard shell of batter now these were like texture the batter the batter the the The shell wasn't super thick, and they were, like, it was textured, like it was Panko-encrusted onion rings. Oh, my God, the under-rings were great. Now, the wings themselves. Can you figure out a way to remake there to, I guess I could look it up, but I'd love to know how to make good rings because I've never really had good rings.

I don't like it. Yeah, I know. You and me both. I'm tired. I'm really just tired of the same generic, like, hard batter shell around a torus of onion, basically. Yeah, if you want me to have a, you're going to put all that grease in my gut and have me have the shits the next. day. I want to really have a good one before I commit to that anymore. You know what I mean? Yeah. And Claire, it might not be Panko. It might still have been a batter with something in it that just made them, made them textured more tech. I don't know. They were delicious. But the wings and the wings is the thing I've been hearing about, right? I've been driving people there and lift and they've been saying, oh man, the wings here are fantastic. Best wings I've ever had, blah, blah, blah. And so finally tried. We got 24 wings between the three of us.

so that we could get four different sauces. And we got, they had a cilantro lime, a habanero, let's see, blueberry, blueberry habanero, and then a bourbon something, Serrano, bourbon Serrano, and then a spicy garlic or something like that. And these are on the wings or these are dips? These are on the wings. Yep, the wings have been sauce, tossed in sauce.

Got it. And they're deep-fried wings tossed in sauce, is supposed to like baked or anything like that. Done right. Those are the better way to go if they're done right. I don't like. So, I agree. I like them baked generally because I know that most of the time deep fried means too

oily and gross. But if you do them right, you can make the best wing ever. When I make them at home, they're baked or really they're air fried, which is basically air baked, hot air convection baked. But the wings were good, but not the best I've had. I'd actually say right now, the best wings I've had here in Colorado are C.D.'s wings, which is up at Freedom Street Social. They have other locations and stuff around town. The best wings I've ever had overall, and I can't believe I'm saying this, is it Flavortown on the strip, the Guy Fiati joint, at the, whatever it is, that's at the link. I think it is. Yeah, it's where that bar is out near there. Yeah, the carnival bar.

I'm trying to remember what it's between, the Link and Harrah's. It hasn't, I can't remember the name of it. It's got a big picture of him folding his arms out front and his big dumb smile. Yeah, I heard those, I've heard amazing things about those wings. They're really good wings and, you know, whatever. The sauce, the texture, the cook texture of them, like they're not over-fried, they're not under-fried. They're just really, really good. It's not called Flavortown, is it?

It is called Flaver Town? Is it? 100% called Flaver Town. I don't like that it's called Flavortown. No, I don't either. But then people probably say, I don't like that a show is called Coverville. Oh, that's good point. But you wouldn't, what would you name your restaurant?

Let's think of the Coverville restaurant. What would you call it? Well, it depends on what I'm serving. Coverville's a great name for it. I think it is. For branding-wise, right? Because people would be familiar with the show and then you would do it. Right. And you know what it would be a, oh, here's what it would be, here's what it would be.

It would be different sauce-covered meals from around the globe. So you'd have your poutine, you'd have nachos, you'd have... Oh, I would go to it. You start with a base of something, and then you smother it with something else, and it's coverville. Yeah, and you have to make it not too similar to the original meal. It has to make it different, right? Yeah, it has to really provide something new to the table, or else there's no pointing covering it in the sauce oh i love it i love it love it there you go smothered green

chili burritos uh that's happening this is uh you know once i'm done putting together my tabletop gaming store with uh 3d printing and podcasting in the back yeah still looking for a good location yeah then uh then you put it out front there we'll serve covervilles yeah oh i'd like the fry coverville please and cover it with um uh bernays yeah or i'd like the oh yeah biscuits and grape We'll absolutely have biscuits and gravy. Hell, yeah, you would. But you got to use gravy that's like, oh, my gosh, I can't believe that this gravy works in this situation.

This is so good. Poutine, but with green chili instead of... That sounds good. Yeah, it does sound good. I would eat that. I would eat that. Or red chili or whatever. Hell yeah.

And then the music is no-brainer. The place is just blaring great cover songs. Yeah. That's awesome. I love it. Inside Out 2. Wicked Ghostbusters. Harley Quinn and the Joker, although that movie tanks and who knows.

uh horror movie favorites you always see those superheroes and villains these are kind of easy uh some this list expects an uptick of alien and alien related uh stuff so possible xenormorphs and whatnot because it's kind of back uh lots of anime bullshit is my guess and is it the photo that they chose for anime oh that is uh that's um airbender okay never mind it is but it's a stupid photo to use it's a really bad photo yeah first of all you could argue that airbender isn't an anime that even the live action the live action airbender is an anime because it's live action well that too but also the original anime is just animation in japanese and so you think well it should it should be a jamp japanese produced animation well the original uh avatar is not was made here or in europe or something oh really yeah it's not a it's not it's an american joint so i they're dumb to put that here you know what real simple dot com you're lame they're lame i don't like these guys Screw this list.

But don't worry, because now it's time for Tad Pooley Feud, all right? Yeah. Our last one before scary time. And that means we got to add Brian Dunaway to the call and one of you. If you are the fourth caller, you'll get to be in here. And by fourth caller, I mean you ping me on Discord the fourth time or the fourth person to do so. Ping me for the fourth time. Ping me for the fourth time.

I pinged you once. I've pinged you a hundred times. Ping me one more time, baby. Baby ping me one more time. Anyway, so we're going to do that. Let's see. Did Dunaway arrive? No, because I didn't hit.

Yes. Okay. Add, create. Here we go. Okay, off we go. Jesus, it takes forever today. All right, here we go. Let's get it going.

As you can tell from that music, it is time for the Tad Pooley feud. Brian Dunaway joining us, as he always does, on a Monday and a Wednesday. Hi, dude. Oh, hi, Scott and Brian. What's going on, man? How are you? just preparing my belly for all the sugar goodness that I'm going to shove in it. So basically with you're handing out trick-or-tree candy, it's one for you, one for me, one for me,

kind of thing. Yeah, close to that one for you, two for me. It's the same spirit of Halloween. Yeah. My endocrine system will not let me eat that much candy, but I'm going to have my goal tomorrow. No candy except one Mars bar. That's it. How about caramel apples?

I'll eat the apple. I won't do the caramel. Yeah. Yeah. I can do half a caramel apple. Team and I usually share. Yeah. I know.

Are you guys, you guys online? I usually share a caramel apple. Because we want to get one set of teeth between the two of us. Anyway, do you guys remember, how'd you make caramel apples? Did y'all make them like your mom makes some real caramel melted it? Or did y'all use those flat pieces of? The square. The square sheets.

Yeah. Ours were round. Dude, we grew up in the 80s. of course we did it i mean there were some square some round but it was always like the pre-made things that's how you did it because my mom like individually wrapped velvita slices exactly you you put your apple on top of it you stub your shove your stick in there and you kind of like dressed it up like a little dressed up apple right yeah but eating one now is just a matter of like how how much of my dental work do i really want to keep and how much do i want to pop out right exactly yeah so freaking forget it

it's not happening but we do have somebody with us today and it's our old pal bio cow Preston, what's up, man? What's up, guys? How's it going? Good dad be here. I feel like we haven't had you forever. You are our fourth caller today. Congratulations on that. Yay, congrats. Of course, the dude who makes our voting and our title selection possible, us and countless other shows, we are eternally grateful for his fine work. And we're going to play that game with you today. So, Brian, explain these rules, and let's give some shit away. Sure, it's time to play the Tad Pooley feud. I've surveyed the Tadpool on some nerdy topics.

and Scott and Brian, you're going to have to predict the answers that they gave us. It is their job to see how many of those answers they can guess. By O'Cow, your job is more important than ever because you're going to be working with either Scott or Brian. And if your team wins, you get a prize package that includes Jack Move and McPixel 3 on Steam. Oh, McPixels. You have nighttime visions. Those McPixel games are so great. I love them.

I'm jealous now. I should have grabbed this code before Brian knew about it. For real, though, these are great prizes. I'm excited for you. Awesome. Yeah, you don't automatically get them. No. You have to earn them. You must have to get the new fashion way.

Earn it. Let's get to the toss-up here. Put your hands on your buzzers. And I probably, I should probably warn you maybe, nah, you can buzz in whatever you want. This is a little question, but. All right, Dunaway, what do you got? Yeah, what are you going to ask?

asked for it. You said buzz whenever you want. I know. All right. Okay. Well done. All right. Reset. Nicely done. All right. It's a long question, but buzz in whenever you want. We asked 528 tadpoolers, what's your favorite video game heroine or non-binary non-male character? What?

Scott. Princess Peach. Oh, nice. Show me Princess Peach. Number four answer on the board. Three answers. Beat it. It's a female, non-mail character.

Would you say Lara? Did you say Lara Craft? Laira Craft. It's a Lambda Craft. Laura Croft. I love it. Lana Craft. Lara.

Lara. Yeah. All right. Show me that Tomb Raider, lady. Oh, my gosh. Number one answer on the board. You've got control and you've got BioCal as a partner. A partner in crane.

Hi, BioCow. How are you doing? I'm doing good. How you doing? Excellent. Do we have a favorite heroin or non-barian-nary non-male character? Barronary. Barronary. I love it.

Honestly, that's the first two that popped into my head. There are many, but... There are many, but only two of them can be. So I heard Scott talking earlier about... Oh, actually, might have been Brian talking about Metroid in Samus. The Big Reveal. Oh, that's got to be on here. It's a chick.

Yeah. We talked a lot about her at the beginning of this episode. Yeah, all right. Let's go to that one. Show me Samis Aaron. Yeah. And two hours are on the board. Got a lot of points.

You're still trailing Scott by one point. You got three to Scott's four, but still lots of points on the board. So many. What you got by? Can I get anything else? Isn't a Zelda a thing, Princess Zelda? Absolutely. And you got it right to.

And in the new game, you get to control her instead of Link. a lot of time. All right. You're going to Zelda, how are you? Okay. Go with Zelda. Show me Zelda. Yeah.

Number five answer on the board. You got eight to Scott's four. Very good. Still, all right side, untouched. Ooh, but I sure would like to tell. Do you have another one? I'm looking to you for some help here. Absolutely, absolutely.

Absolutely. Absolutely. So I was actually thinking about Cammy because, yeah, I think Cammy would be a good answer. What do you think? Oh, from Street Fighter? Street Fighter, Cammy? Correct. Yeah, why not? She'll always be highly Minogue to me. Because you see a lot of that, you see a lot of Camys around Halloween. It's a popular costume. Is it really? You do an adult parties. Yeah, you do. Yeah, that's true. What kind of parties do you guys go to? Kiss parties? Get out of here, you bunch of grown-ups. Pretty easy just to get some. camouflage gear and a blonde wig, right?

Yeah, fair enough. All right. Say how you do. Okay, let's show me Cammy. No, uh, Cammy, let's see. Cammy, Cammy, Cammy, Cammy. How is that too specific? That's a character.

I don't see any cammy in the list. Really? Just me, huh? All right, I guess I got a cake. Fine. Yeah, you do. Yeah. All right. I'm going to go.

with kind of a weird one but I think Cortana from the Halo series belongs on here I'm gonna say Cortana. I'm gonna say Cortana this morning Did you?

Cortata sorry No you had a horchata I wish her name was Orta Show me Cortana Oh come on At least that one That one people did say

It was number 14 And the list was Cortana All right that's high enough For me to feel respectable You should feel redeemed for you Yeah, I like her a lot. All right.

So, I was like we're moving along too fast, your BioCal, but do you have one? I have another one, if not. I, you know what? I'm racking my brain. I'm going back to my childhood days and Mario Brothers. And did we ever get a definitive answer on Berto? Oh, that's hilarious. That's hilarious.

Yes, we do have a definitive answer on Berto. Berto is basically non-binary, right? I mean, that was the story? Isn't that what we can decide? That is kind of the story. Yeah, we don't. It's a little vague. But I think that Berto is considered by the community anyway to be a non-binary egg throwing boss.

I don't know. I like that answer if you like it. But I do have one more. You know, I was just talking about my kink. I definitely have one that I always think about. Oh, my gosh. Well, I was going to say, so, say, you know, just so we don't give it this. All right.

We'll say, we'll save it. Yeah. But let me ask you this. Do you think it's better than Berto? Because I don't know if Berto will make the list. I'm not feeling confident about it. Alberto being on the list. If it is, it's on that right-hand side.

It's going to be lots of points. But I will tell you this, who I think, I have a problem with. Do it. Bayanetta. Oh, with all her hair and everything? With her glasses, her sexy library look, always, you know. And her hair flying everywhere. And sometimes she's naked, necket, except the hairs just covering the special bits.

Yeah. Yeah. Is it a kink if it's intentionally sexy? I don't think so. I think that she is a very specific kind of attraction for some people. people, and I just think you land in that category. I think it's fine. Right, right. I don't think it's a problem at all. I think it's fine. I think your crush is

safe, and everyone here except Audra will be happy about it. It's all good. So what do you think, BioCalcans, we've kind of, what do you think it's got a better chance of being up there? Bayonetta or Birdo? Or, or Berto? Or, or, I like the pause. Nice. Right. Yeah, let's go with Bayoneta.

All right. Show me bayonetta. Oh, number 26 in the list. is Bannetta. All right. This is, you know what? The fact that we're, this is getting tricky.

Because there's some I just know. Oh, geez. All right. We're going to rock a rhyme here. Is it getting tricky? I have so many favorite female protagonists and or side characters in games, and I just, I'm worried here.

So I'm going to go with, female shepherd from the mass effect games. Oh, that's a good one. Femm Shep as she's affectionately referred to. Fem Shep. Yep. All right. Show me Commander Shepard, but a woman. Oh, good. Number seven.

Good job. I'm feeling better about this now. That's already kicked our trashes by a call. Apologies. 11 points on the board to Brian and Scott. I'm going to go with another one that it gives me

I we have a wow a pretty wow centric base for our listeners and stuff a lot of wow players I'm going to go at jane a proud more we'll see how that lands smart smart show me jana proud bar that's going to be good points oh god is it is going to be good points another eight for scott 19 points for scott still room to win though um still room to win yeah still anybody's game let's do I just played this long ago let's do a loy from the What do you call those games, Horizon Games? Zero Dawn and Monkey Island or whatever was called, whatever the second one was called? Yeah, Monkey Island. Nailed it. Nailed it.

Horizon Zero Don, colon, monkey island. Mountain something. I don't remember. Whatever. Show me, hey, Lloyd. Nailed it. Oh, number three. She's way up. Wow. And bring you up to 22. I'm a little shocked by that.

Okay. If Jane of Proudmore made the list, then even though we've kind of been mad at her recently, I think Silvanus Windrunner is probably on here. so sylvanus Brian show me sylvanus oh really she has fallen from favor

dude sylvanus 18 in the list yeah she's honestly that feels like not spite but just like everyone's a little mad at her right now so I get it right

that's fine all right all right I think I got one you got something what do you got I'm taking this to a street fight I'm going to say Cheng Lee

oh Chunli Oh, Chung Lee's a great one. Yep. She got legs for days, that girl. And she'll kick you right in the face with him. Yep. All right. Show me, Chun Lee.

Oh, my gosh. Wow. I'm actually shocked. That's not in there. Number 20 in the list is Chun Lee. Wow. So we pretty much lost unless Scott can run the board. Exactly. Scott, there are three answers left on the board.

If BioCal is to get these prizes, you need to get all three of these without any strikes. I would really, really like. him to win. Yeah, me too. I think Ellie from is a great one from The Last of Us. Oh, you know what? I thought of that one earlier and now you say it. Now I'm thinking of it again. You know what?

Ellie, Ellie is a good one because well, A, she's non-bying it. Well, she's gay. So that's the second part of the category. Plus she's been in the mind of people lately with the series. The series and the, you know, the games getting put it on other platforms and stuff. You know what? Brian's, I like where Brian's heads at. Let's say, Ellie from Last of Us.

Show me Ellie from Last of Us. Yeah. Sorry. No, the sixth answer on the board. I should use that one earlier. Two answers left. Good call, though.

All right. I'm tempted to do one more Blizzard thing. Hmm. Smart. It's in the crowd. Is it in the last two, though? All right.

I'll try Carrigan from Starcraft. No, Sonia Blade. Oh. Oh, wait. you like sonya blades i'm just kidding i don't think sonya blade's in there yeah maybe she is she hasn't had a great run lately no and carrigan hasn't either but carrigan's just high and a lot

of list i don't know maybe we're falling out of that zone though i don't know let you know what carrigan let's just we're gonna try all right let's see what happens show me carrigan first name name oh shit again another one that was surprised not even again another one that was surprised not even not even on the list yeah um can i can i tell you that was tied for 34th place one person said care can i give you a quick uh tiny bit of trivia on her so it's funny because dunaway just made the joke that about nancy carrigan in the book play nice that just came out uh one of the reveals was is that she is indeed a joke based on nancy they named her based on internal joke about nancy carrigan yeah that's where that came from see you pulled it

you pulled it right from your butt hole yeah did yeah did jana wacker kneecaps with a I can't I just read the books I don't know why I don't remember the exact detail but there's something about that it's something about the attack

and something about wow something but they were like we can't think of a name somebody said Kerrigan and they based it on this joke and that's crazy wow it does make a great character name Kerrigan yeah carrigan

only the person I could think of was Jill Jill Jill Jill was a lower on the list as well Jill was number 12 Wouldn't have even gotten you the bonus guess. Jill. Oh, Jill Valentine.

Got it. Jill. Let's go to the rest of these. Yep. Just a Bill just said it. Keitha Lockhart from Final Fantasy 7. Oh, shit. I forgot about those weirdos.

They love her. That's just true. I mean, she's great. Just, you know, about my thing, but whatever. And then if we go to Assassin's Creed, the Assassin's Creed series. Oh, Cassandra's on here. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Andra, yeah, number 10, those are your distanced. Your bonus, your bonus would have been a lot of people in the chat room said this one. Would have been Shell from Portal. Oh, yeah, that's a great one. I love that little orange jumpsuit. Yep. And then Alex Vance from Half-Life, Jesse Faden from Control.

Carlack. Oh, Carlac. Just as Carlac. From Baldur's Gate 3, Ms. Pac-Man. I didn't think of that. I should have that. 2B from Near Otamata, Lilith from Borderlands,

Abby from The Last of Us Part 2, Arith Gainsborough from Final Fantasy 7, Alex from Minecraft, Batgirl, Phoenix from Phoenix Rising, Jack from Mass Effect, Jade, Jinks, Cubert. Cubert, dude.

Cuberts. It's non-binary. Yeah, Cuberts is Berto. Which is basically Cubert is just Berto. Yeah, Berto is the one that throws the egg. It really is. They basically are married or something.

Once you run out of eggs, you just become Cooper. They just swear a lot of us. Let's see. Red from Transistor, Ica from Skies of Arcadia, Illyria, Alon, Arthur Morgan, Ash from Overwatch, BD8, Billy Lirk, Blinky, Blood Rain, Carmen San Diego, Kay Archer, K-S-6. Those are good. No, Diva. Mike, no, no Diva, actually, surprisingly. Cheap, Cheap, the cooking chicken.

Chromy, Cyrilla Fiona L.N. Riannon. I don't know who that is. Elizabeth from Bioshock Infinite. You don't really play as her, but she is... She's a big deal. She's an important part of the story. She's important, exactly. Evie Frye from Assassin's Creed Syndicate, Freya Crescent from Final Fantasy 9,

Glados, Gordon Freeman. Gordon Freeman. H.K. 47, Hornet, Isabel, Jihira, Julie, Jenner, so Kara from Detroit Become Human Because she's an Android, right? Yeah.

Kirby Lizzie, boy, there are a lot of names that I just don't even know who any of these people are. Mancubis, Mani Cavalera. Mani Calavera. Oh, there's May. Is Claire Redfield on there?

Did you say her name? No, no, Claire Redfield. Nova from Starcraft. Nathan Drake, Noriko. Pyramyrethra. Yeah, from Zootenocan Chronicles. Okay. Is Isabel from,

is that her name? The little dog from Animal Crossing? She on there, by chance? Oh, yes. Isabelle was on here, yes. That's a good, good choice. Yeah. Love her.

Shadow Heart, Sister Argenta, Star Killer, Sundance, Taki from Soul Calibur, Tally Zora from Mass Effect. Oh, I was getting really fractured. The shooter thing in Tempest. Tiny Tina. Wonder Woman

Yenifer and Yuna Yonifer Yonifer should be on there That's good No Siri No Siri from Siri is on here too She is okay

Everybody's phones That's great They should have put Glados on there You cowards That should have been your first choice No they did but one person said Oh someone did thanks

Whoever that is You guys You're awesome Well great Also I heard Brian mentioned 2B Higher in the list From near Automata

She's a great character So whoever that was, you also have my respect. Either way, don't look up Rule 34 for any of these. And here's the other thing. BioCow, unfortunately, for a guy like BioCow, it really hurts. The stings that he didn't win. It does. That means he's got, you know, he can try again sooner than if he were to win.

Smart. Good point. Yeah. So we'll definitely have you back. But here's the thing you get. But next time you might get a congratulations. Either way, always good to have you here, man. One of my favorite people in the entire community.

Take it easy. I have a fantastic Halloween, and we'll see you next time. You too. Love y'all. Bye. Halloween, we love you too. Preston. Hey, Dunaway. Guess what? Hey, Johnson. You and I, yesterday.

Was it yesterday? It was yesterday. It was last night. We did the play retro show. That's right. We talked all about the Ghostbusters. Who are you going to call? Yeah, we found out who you're going to call.

We found out that it makes you feel good, all that stuff. So if you want to watch some fun stuff or hear some fun stuff about the retro games on the NES, Commodore 64 and beyond in the world of Ghostbusters, which helped us kind of have a little theme week for Halloween. Go check that episode out, frogfants.com slash play retro. Brian Dunaway, kiss our butts. I know you. Oh, there he goes. That's the end of that. All right, well, that was great.

Great topic today. That was a fun one. Yeah, it was fun. Yeah. I like that a lot. We're going to take a break. when we come back from said break, we'll be joined by Randy Jordan, minus Nicole, because she's got a thing with her daughter today. She's a good mom, right? She's not going to sacrifice good

mom stuff for, you know, us. Why would you? Who would do that? I wouldn't do that. But he'll be here. We're going to do some recommendals. Got some good stuff for you this week. And before that, though, we have to have a song played. And Brian, thankfully, has the keys to that car. Let's do it. Yeah, this is the kind of level of country-influenced music that I really like with a lot of blues influence to it. This is a band called Ghost Hounds. Again, why are you playing it this week, Brian? Ghost Hounds. These guys have a brand new album coming out.

Let's see. Last month's release. Oh, Long Ride Home featuring Patty Griffin. That was last month's release. So this is a brand new song called You'll Never Find. me, here are Ghost Hounds. You had the sweetest touch, but you left the deepest curls. You had the kindest eyes.

I fell to my demise. And every love thereafter, all fell victim to you I said their hearts on fire and you were my alibi I don't want to stay broken heart this is the pattern you started don't want to leave them in pieces

I have to keep all these reasons yeah all these reasons Well, I keep my heart locked up from tumbling down, and I walk through hell, through hell, just don't run out of ground. Now, I can't believe, I believe every word out your mouth. Just remember that you'll never find another lover quite like me, no, you'll never find me, I'm a reneying. Just remember that you never find another lover quite like me, no, you'll never find another lover quite like me, No, you'll never find me, I'm a renegade

And my arms open wide But you'll raise your battle to die You said the blame was mine Now believe in different lines And now you walk around Quiet money Well, babe, you're the one to the world That blew us away

Well, I don't want to stay brokenhearted Now, this is, I don't want to leave her in pieces All I have to give all these reasons, yeah, yeah All these reasons Yeah, yeah, yeah I keep my heart locked up One tumbling down And I walk through hell, through hell

Just don't run out I can't believe I believe every word I'm told now Just remember that you'll never find another lover quite like me No you'll never find me I'm a renege Just remember that you never find another lover quite like me No you'll never find me I'm a renegade Well, I keep my heart locked up from tumbling down, and I walk through hell, through hell, just don't run out of ground. And I can't believe, I believe, every word out to mouth.

Just remember that you'll never find another love a quiet like me, no, you'll never find me, I'm a renegade. Just remember that you'll never find another lover quiet like me, no you'll never find me, I'm a renegade. Just remember that you never find another love or love a quiet like me, no you'll never find me, I'm a renegade, ooh. There's no need to stand on your head to find out what these young girls are doing. This is the sort of scene you might expect to find on a visit to Tunbridge Wells in Kent, where at the Legat School of Ballet, Yoga Exercises, are part of the curriculum. Sally adds potato chips to the menu. And we've returned from our song break.

Who was that again? Yeah, that's a brand new single from Ghost Hounds. That is called You'll Never Find Me. Nice. and the title goes really well with the cover we're playing at the end of the show. So when you put the two together, it makes a little sentence. Oh, great. I'm excited about that.

Yeah. All right. Let's get Randy all up in it. Yeah. See where that takes us. See where that brings us. Well, what do you recommend? Here's what I recommend.

Listening to a little segment we do on Wednesday is called Recommendals. It's all about streaming stuff that we think you might like and we bring it here to the show and talk about it. We are joined by our. our very special guest, Randy Jordan. Good morning, morning stream. How are you? I am ready for Halloween. It's tomorrow.

You got to dress up. You got to carve a pumpkin. We already did a practice pumpkin on Sunday. Oh my gosh, a practice pumpkin. And we established once again that you got 48 hours after you put a knife in that thing. 48 hours later, man, we went right into a dumpster because of all this like fuzzy, fuzzy mold that goes on inside it's it's unbelievable how weird part of the planet where like the second you carve a pumpkin it's like a ticking time bomb of of mold yeah it's weird how that works but brandy seems to be very adamant that this is the only way to do the pumpkin it's just it's just crazy to me how there are funguses everywhere they're all around us and as soon as you open up a pumpkin they all fall right into it and start throwing like crazy I love it in one of Halley Mandel's issues.

Did that ever get debunked? There's always this talk about how the Howie Men, he's always grossed out by he's shaking hands or he's a germophobe. Is that true? He's a self-admitted germaphobe or, yeah. Because I saw a video of him like shaking like 15 hands in a row and you didn't seem bothered by it. And I went, isn't he of this real?

Maybe he's gotten therapy to get past it or something. But when he first was performing and out there, that was he would talk about that. I have a pretty significant. germaphobe at work that I work with and when we approach doors because there's like locked doors everywhere yeah whenever we approach doors he stops walking and I I work the badge and the door and then he goes through yeah he doesn't touch things it's so it's kind of like it's kind of cool like I kind of want that privilege I can tell you that Randy is a hell of a door worker when I went

there a couple months ago he can work a door like nobody's business oh yeah we were getting we were getting we were all over that campus and every door we came to wham with the badge. Just in there. Well, anyway, it's good to see you, Randy. We're going to play some audio clips from each of us. And we're going to start with Brian, who has his recommendal all cute up. Brian, what do you got here for us this week? Yeah, this is a brand new movie that just plopped onto Netflix a few, well, a couple of weeks ago. I saw the trailer for it and said, oh, that looks really interesting. And I watched it. And by golly, it was interesting. It kind of flips a

a very, very common movie trope on its head, and I can't wait to talk about on the other side of this. All right, here we go. Okay, so just before I open this suitcase, this is just some needs to stay in this room type shit.

So my team and I have been working on this thing for five years. Yeah. You know, I could explain to you all what it is, but I think the best way for you to understand is if you just try yourself. Okay.

Okay, so, here we are. So you just want to take these electrodes and place them on your temples like so. Bro, you serious? Hey, don't worry, I'm doing it too. All right. Okay. how does it like it doesn't hurt at all I swear

okay dude what what importance is like messing with the wires okay everybody keep your electrodes on what the fuck take a deep breath it's okay geez

boy does boy does shit go awry quickly in that in that clip um that is a movie called it's what's inside and this is a science fiction comedy horror film that uh landed on netflix earlier this month um this is a play on the whole freaky friday uh 18 again body swap kind of thing and it's um uh takes place at a for the most part at a party a pre wedding party um where a bunch of friends all get together to celebrate before a couple of them get married. Shelby and Cyrus are about to get married, and they all get together.

I'm sorry, no, Ruben and Nikki. No, I can't remember. Anyway, two of them are about to get married. That's unimportant. Sure. And their old friend Forbes shows up, who you heard there at the beginning, with a suitcase, with a bunch of electrodes in it, plucks them on on their heads and when he turns on the machine

they all switch bodies and and it's you know like six of them and they kind of or eight of them and they all kind of swap around bodies I guess six of them to all this is the sorry the guy that you're talking about is David Thompson he plays gecko and the boys I knew that face was familiar he's a weird looking dude get a weird

face he does have an unusual look to him and he's perfect in this role of kind of a scientist-y-looking guy who still kind of a doofus maybe can't be trusted kind of thing. Yeah, he definitely makes that face all the time. Yes. Yes.

What kind of flips this whole body swap genre on its head is what happens if during the body swap something happens to your body and you can't get back into your own body. What do you do then?

it brings up some very interesting morality choices and things like that to get in there there's very little blood so if you're worried about gore there's not a lot but it's still there are still some some

god it's interesting this is called a science fiction comedy horror because the horror elements are more like thriller elements than horror elements it's like a it's like a a lot of a lot of mind effing with your mind kind of stuff

and and there is a great payoff at the end and somebody in the chat room said you know the ending was good but needed more and I would agree that like after the ending I went back and found like a kind of an ending explained recap thing

that I looked through and I'm like yeah that's what I thought but that that should have been it should have been a lot more clear and a lot more a lot more based to it. So a TikToker that does like movie horror, he basically just does horror movie recommendations

that kind of thing. And he was acting like this was the coolest thing he had seen in like 10 years. He was losing his shit. Really? Okay. And I was like, well, I should probably watch this. It was a Sundance, darling. And a lot of times when you're like,

hey, I wonder why this film didn't perform very well for general audiences. Well, at Sundance, you have the filmmaker there, like in this case, Greg Hardeen, and, like, the audiences get to interact with the person and get their questions answered and that kind of thing. And it can really, like, it can really elevate something. For sure. He was the ending explained that I had to look up on my own. He did a live ending explained probably for people. This is absolutely worth watching, though.

Don't be afraid of, like, the, you know, me talking about that the ending could have been. been a little bit more, and I Am sci-fi agrees with that or suggested that in the tadpole, and I agree. It's, you've got a bunch of characters that you, that you kind of dislike and that you kind of like at the same time. There, you know, it's not our, it's not our age group, Scott, but it's still, you know, it's that, it's kind of a little bit of a bro crowd. But there's a couple of characters that you really do feel for and sympathize for that

you kind of root for throughout this whole thing. um it's great it's it's a it's a fun twist and it's got enough scary elements to make it feel really good to watch in uh october here without being like um a gore fest or a slasher or something like that just something a little different little off the norm i like that yes yeah still would not recommend it for the kids keep them out but uh but um if this sounds interesting at all to you and it should because it's a nice little twist I like the twist. I like your time travel movie

that kind of has a weird little trope-breaking twist or those sorts of things. Yeah, I like these young actors. I don't know most of them, but the couple that I do know I like. And the other thing I really like is this poster. It is such an 80s-ass throwback

to those old... What's his name? Who's the artist? We keep forgetting his name. Yeah, Drew Struzen. Drew Struzen and getting that vibe. It's got a little bit of a Drew Struzen vibe to it. And it's a...

Yeah, it's great. It's a really good depiction of the mayhem and stuff that ensues. At first, do you think you're looking at the back of a car and they're all climbing out of the trunk? But, yeah, then you realize it's a... Yeah, that's great. It's the briefcase. Love it. Yeah.

And any poster that includes... Well, the handle on the front. Handle on the front should have told you. The fact that you've got the built-in folds, any movie poster that has built-in folds in movie poster. For one of the reason, I really like that touch. I do too. It's very schmorphic and tactile. I like that. Of a time. Yes, exactly. Very cool. Well, all right then. So there you get it. This is from, oh, he seems to like this a lot. He's known for some other things where the poster's very similar. Oh, really? He does the Jardine guy.

What do we know him from? Oh, he did a, okay. I didn't, I looked at other things he'd done, and I didn't recognize anything that I'd seen. He did a TV short for that Cowboy Bebop live action thing. that did not do well though yeah um let's see yeah a lot of a lot of a lot of small stuff and he look and his i mdb photo is amazing my gosh look at this thing chat oh yeah i love it i love it when when people uh they know i'm gonna look a certain way yeah yeah yeah yeah he locked in he locked in and he embraced it all right available on netflix it's what sorry what is it it's what's inside It's what's inside. It's like, it's what's inside that counts.

Yeah. It's in the yogurt or something. Yes, a title with two apostrophes. Wonderful. Hey, Randy, let's slide the mic down to the end of the table where you're sitting, and you tell us what you've got lined up here. Absolutely, no surprise from me this week. It's a documentary.

It's sad. It's about a young man who's dying, and this clip is the best I could do. It's, um, this is a, this is a documentary that goes, that gives you dialogue really slowly. So, uh, sorry, this, this is slow dialogue and it's sad. I can't wait to see it. Mutz was a real friend to me. He was an incurable romantic and had considerable success with women. He would always throw like a, comment to lighten the mood.

If you told him you were going to see a movie, he would remember that you saw that movie later. He would listen and like remembering back then that he was there from me. And I could also talk to him about the stupid things. And I feel almost like he was part of the family. you always knew that when he told you something he meant it and I don't think he was aware of how big an impact he had done to a lot of people

oh man I can't wait to watch this tell us about the remarkable life of Ibelin am I saying it right yeah yeah so we're sticking with Sundance this one a couple of of awards in Sundance this year. And we're, I mean, I just, I can't, I,

there's sometimes where I'm like, how do you, how do you talk about a movie that's a 10 out of 10 without sounding like you're just exaggerating, right? I, I watched it, uh,

this week for the third time. And the, the first time I got to see it, um, was a special screening back in January. Um, like the day after they showed it at Sundance, the filmmakers and the people who star in the movie, uh, brought it to Irvine and showed it to the people who make World of Warcraft. And, um, I've never experienced anything like this in my life. And so, like, I'm a unique quantity recommending this movie because I got to sit in a full theater with all of my coworkers and cry together. like sobbing people and then after it was over the you know the the director-producer and every person you see in the movie who has a line you know like was there and we talked with them and it was just incredible it's like I wish everyone in the world could have this experience of seeing something so moving and then getting to process it out loud with the people but um it's just it's just one of the

It's one of those things where you can't imagine how emotional this is. Like when you see a trailer for it and you're just seeing some machinima, right? Like, okay, that's probably a personal story. It's so much more because of people finding out something that they didn't know all along and then reprocessing what they know. And the movie literally does that. It runs for a few minutes and tells you a story from a perspective. And then it rewinds and starts over.

And it's like, okay, now that you know that something else was going on, we're going to show you the other perspective. So now you have a different context to see that stuff again. And oh, wow. Yeah, I can't wait to see this. So I got a question for you because you would probably know this. And I haven't been able to find an answer anywhere. The machinima that's used is really nice. It's like really well made.

Are these tools that when Blizzard found it out of this project, they were like, hey, we want to help? Or was this done prior to all of that? It was done entirely extrajudicially. It was like the whole thing. Like Blizzard, like I met the, okay, so the dad of the young man who died came to Blizzard years ago when right soon after he found out of what was going on. And I met him and I gave him a tour of Blizzard. And he told me multiple times that day, we're making a movie. And he said, I, you know, like I want to make sure that we're doing it right.

we're doing right by Blizzard because this is going to be, you know, I have a lot to do with Blizzard. And so there was some talk. I don't think there was like a contract, but there was some talk. And Blizzard was happy to, you know, people, people use their, make tools and use Blizzard assets all the time. Sure. Right. So like, like, I, I don't know the, you know, the legal wranglings when the movie was going to go be produced and released. but this this was all done above board is what I'm saying right right right there was more there was kind of this feeling of like yeah we're going to do all this stuff and and and we think blizzard's going to be okay with it the best I could find was that it was more like well if it's a problem then we'll work with them but I think they're going to see this and they're going to want to be okay with

you know there's like that it sounds like obvious I mean blizzard is like leaning into this there's now a backpack uh back item cosmetic replacement in the game that goes toward the illness that he suffered from, all the proceeds from, and you can go buy this thing right now. It's like a charity, cosmetic piece in the game. And there's also now a gravestone slash memorial in the world to this person. It's clear Blizzard has embraced it, right? They've gone, oh my gosh, of course we're going to, we didn't know about it either. Like a lot of people in this documentary didn't know about this kid's real life until, you know, whatever. But I think that is so cool, you know, like not since it's such a flip, right? Like,

the South Park version of let's work with Blizzard and make a cool episode and we're going to have this in-game stuff from all those years ago. What a difference this kind of project is from that, that very satirical, funny, you know, in your eye, trolly kind of episode of South Park and then come all these years later and have this like really touching story. But moreover, here's the question for you. Does it properly portray a very important aspect to the digital world, not just wow, but just our digital spaces as not this place that we think is just for people wasting their time in their basements, but a place where you can make real connections and real contact with people and that it's meaningful and all of that stuff. I assume that this is loaded with that. It is, but I, you know, my response, I want to say, you've got to watch it to understand the answer to that question.

um it this it's not like someone said is it about wow no it's not it's it's barely got anything to do with world of warcraft like the the you know it's like asking is the godfather about guns well i mean guns are definitely involved but no it's it's about the people and their relationships and it's about finding out more about yourself as you find out more about others and and that sort of thing interesting um it's it's just it's so deep and it's so emotional it's um it just really something that i like i say i wish everybody could see it because it will it will help you like the you know what whatever you might be afraid of or you're struggling with this is a this movie is like designed to help you feel better about

your place in the world well i'm i'm i'm all in i want to see it and we'll be seeing it probably tonight i meant to see it before now i was curious which one of us would get to it quicker to be honest uh so congratulations you be you won that way what do you think it's it sounds beautiful and it sounds like something that knowing our community um i'd be able to connect this with myself and and a lot of other people in our community even even tristan to some effect with the um just that uh that being in grossed and enveloped and in um the friendships in the community that that he made online and stuff i think it sounds it sounds really touching how do you feel about um the experience of watching something or listening to music

specifically to feel sad to uh like to make yourself cry is that is that something that you if they earn it i think of the last time i i did that you know because i i tend if I hear that a movie is gut wrenching I'm typically likely to avoid it but if I know that it's

going to be a you're going to really feel something at the end I don't know I go to movies for a feeling I listen to music for a feeling so I'll listen to cats in the cradle a lot I'll listen to it by

Jim Crocey's son. I think it was Prochy or it was Harry Nelson's son. I might be getting that totally wrong. So I am not 100% averse to watching something like this in the right crowd. Like you, your experience of watching it with a bunch of coworkers and friends at Blizzard, it feels like exactly the way I'd want to watch something like this. Okay, that's interesting because like I don't think I would recommend it to every one like there like there were probably some people who did not like being surrounded by their

co-workers like they want to cry solo or they want to be sad solo and not um yeah like world of warcraft itself sometimes you want to be in a group sometimes you want to play solo i get it maybe you could maybe you could pug a viewing of uh of this movie watch it with a bunch of strangers so the tank rage quits in the middle right right exactly so yeah no this this uh it sounds interesting to me, and I think I will eventually see it. I'm going to make Carter watch it. Oh, gosh. Because I know there's two reasons why.

One, I know it's going to make her crying. I just, I don't know. I just, I don't know. But the other reason is she's, you know, in this world of games and digital this and that. I think it'll resonate with her. It's a two-prong thing. Like that, that otter movie I recommended, the otter love story, the two people's names in the, or one of them was the honor,

but two names in the title, and I recommended it months ago. I knew right from the get-go without, before I even turned it on, that it was going to have a heartbreaking ending, a sad ending. And I still really, really wanted to see it. And it was touching and I'm glad I watched it. And yeah, I don't, I don't avoid things like this completely, but I do tend to. You kind of need to be, you want to be in the right space.

I need to be exactly in the right mood. Yeah. I understand that. I do that. Ever since I first listened to Ben Folds, like in the 90s, I've been on a quest to make the ultimate playlist of melancholy Benfold songs. Not that Ben Folds specializes. She's a brick and I'm going slowly.

So, like, Ben Folds has some pretty upbeat stuff. But, like, I have this playlist I curate on Spotify called Melancholy Ben Fold songs. And I cannot listen to that playlist between, like, March and November. It has to be like, the dead of winter. The sun has to be going down at four o'clock in the afternoon for you to enjoy that playlist. Yes, but, but I also can't listen to that playlist more than like twice a winter.

You know, like it's, it's, I don't, and, and you, I do it to, uh, to feel a specific thing that I felt the first time I ever listened to the end of that, that album you're talking about the Ben Folds 5 the whatever and ever amen it ends with these two songs that are just brutal and I remember feeling something and I'm able to recapture that

that feeling you know every now on that cool yeah I add Joan Osborne's cathedrals to your list there to your playlist radio I've got my list of music here I've been keeping lately

I'm going to put that in there too Joan Osborne Cathedrals real quick the Benfolds five song that's that everyone knows. Give me a title. Brick. Is it Brick? Well, the one, the sad one about... It's about an abortion or something.

Yeah, brick. Okay, so that song, inextricably connected to icy weather for me. Like really low clouds, lots of fog, frozen road, barely can drive. I cannot get that song and that condition out of my head. They're connected. Those lyrics paint such a picture that you can visualize of, Just, you know, a really gray day, hardly any traffic. You're out there, you're, you know, too early in the morning.

You're just like, oh, I wish I wasn't here. Like, there's a vibe around that song. And having that play when you're in that traffic in a state with that kind of weather, it's now permanent. It will never be disconnected. Oh, that's right. Yeah, it's 6 a.m. after Christmas. Sorry, I think the first lyrics are.

That's it right there. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I have other things. Like, I'm not just only doing this, right? So, like, I have a playlist of songs like one day like this by elbow that you, you get up and you get in the car and you face the sun and you play it and you celebrate the glory of, you know, being alive and all of the wonderful things.

And like, I'm just saying the secret life of Ibelene, the remarkable life of Ebelene, sorry, is, is really for introspection and sadness. And, you know, so like, I can't imagine watching it, you know, very. very often, but I definitely will return to this again and again in my life. Yeah, it seems like a thing you'd want to go back to. All right. Well, let's jump over to another documentary, also on Netflix, that is not nearly as heart-wrenching, although there are some issues around it that will maybe make your heart go up a little bit. I don't know.

I'll explain on the other side. Here you go. Lyle wrote me this emotional letter when I was in the county jail. Lyle couldn't express what he did in that letter in person It was easier for him to put it on paper He felt that telling The sick secrets of the family

Would be like killing my parents again All right so this is the Menendez brothers Not the Mendenendendez Mendenendez. This is not the one that is the dramatization that's also on Netflix, kind of almost simultaneous. It reminds me, they did this kind of with a Ted Bundy thing back in the day where they did, yeah, right, where they had the one with Evan Peter, or no, no, that was not, that wasn't Bundy, that was Dahmer. Oh, right. The one with the high school musical guy, can't think of his name. Zach Ephron. There it is. Before you go any further, do you guys remember when these guys were kind of, It took place on trial and all that.

Oh, yeah. It seems like it took forever. Yeah, it did take forever. It turns out in the documentary they get into that, but the actual trial was big time delayed. It also, you got to remember this thing happened so closely to the O.J. Simpson thing that they went from, the only thing people could talk about was the Menendez Brothers trial. And then suddenly, almost overnight, all they could talk about was the OJ stuff. And it never quite got back to them in terms of the limelight, which is kind of part of this story. this documentary just came out.

It is a single film, so not a series, just a one big two-hour movie. Directed by Alejandro Hartman is very, very good. And what I liked about it was it filled in a bunch of gaps I had open. I didn't know a lot about this thing. We're talking a long time ago, like late 80s, early 90s. And the way that that whole thing went down, to me, the way it was presented on television was,

these are clearly two spoiled brothers who are doing it for the money. I mean, that was like the only answer there was because that's a way we're being told. Yeah, narrative is the right word. That is what they were feeding us every night on TV or if you watch court TV or whatever, wherever the live thing was. And it's not like it wasn't like that at all. Like there's so much detail and so much nuance to these trials and to the evidence and to what the brothers say that you just never were told.

And it's not that they're innocent. they're not they're 100% guilty they shot their dad and their mom like straight up um in particular eric did uh and the brothers they were and they were what ages like 19 and 22 or something not that was when the trial happened when they when the actual crimes are committed when the murders happened yeah when the murders happened one of them is my age so they would have been 18 19 is the oldest I think young they were yes they were both I think you know they were no longer minors at the time um this movie features them a lot and they're not shown talking they're just these phone calls as you heard in that clip and they get to talk a lot about what what was going on and then they kind of

the movie does a good job of like placing the time of when things were happening with old footage with what the the brothers are saying they talk to everybody from the defense attorneys to the prosecution attorneys and sort of everybody in between that were involved at the time and then they have a lot of old footage of those same people doing actual stuff. They have a couple of the jurors and this thing. Here's the thing. This documentary is not one that tries to retroactively, you know, paint a better picture of these brothers. They killed their parents. What this does is it gives you a way better view of why they killed their parents. And the simple answer is they were horrifically abused as kids, sexually, physically, mentally.

Um, and this is this stuff. I didn't hear about what it was going on. Like they just didn't talk about it. Maybe I wasn't paying that close of attention. I don't know what was going on there, but I didn't hear about a lot of this stuff. And some of it is downright horrific. Um, and it doesn't, it doesn't really ask, say, doesn't say, well, then they're innocent. No, what it means is maybe first degree lifetime in prison was a little harsh, maybe something

closer to manslaughter. And then there's this whole legal question about. whether or not eminent danger will protect you usually and get you a manslaughter case. But that's if somebody's like coming at you with a knife. If you have been abused your whole life and you want it to end and you think the only way to do that is to shoot the man who's abusing you, it's murky, right? That gets murky. And so the documentary is a lot about that murk and what it takes to navigate through that. And then also what the press does and how that shapes, how things turn out.

And just like there's a whole conversation about the justice system and everything else. So what I want people to know is this is not an exoneration of the brothers. It is a explanation of how everything, it's just a broader view of everything that led to what happened. And it is, it really doesn't pull any punches from both sides of the issue. And it's really not even that simple to say both sides. It's just a complicated, nuanced discussion. in this documentary and I really recommend it if any of that stuff didn't make sense to you at the time or you're just curious about it now or maybe you saw the dramatization that's out now and

and you have questions this obviously you know digs deeper into the facts um I thought it was quite good it's one of those documentaries that doesn't mess around too much with trying to make something dramatic or reenactments they don't do any of that and I hate reenactments so much I freaking hate that so there's no like here's the first person view of the kid running the house with the gun or they don't do any of that they don't do any of it it's all like if there's any of that it's crime scene photos and it's not super gory or anything there's a lot of descriptions of you know what a shotgun can do to a human being um a lot of things like that but it's mostly just pure documentarianism and i like that so uh i think it's a good one it's simply

called the menendez brothers don't know why i struggle with that name i always have available now and is worth your time if you are interested in such things. Here's what I want a documentary about. I want a documentary to explain to me how both Lyle and Eric Menendez separately got married in prison to people after they murdered their parents. Oh, it happens all the time, though. I want it, for some reason, I want to know more about how. how do you meet a person how do you decide to marry them while they're in prison for murder like it's just that fascinates me it's true but it's true of all kinds of incarcerations the question is those are good questions how do you meet in the first place is it just through correspondence is it one of those deals where some lady gets obsessed with what you did and just shows up for conjugal visits immediately like i don't know i don't know how that shit works it's weird

Um, they seem to be really, here's the thing. I mean, I would say they had a, they had a kind of a privileged up bringing in terms of financial stuff. They're also really smart. Like the stuff they say in these calls, they're smart guys. And to some people, that means, well, they're, they're conniving, uh, you know, they plan this whole blah, blah, blah, or whatever. And some people may see it differently. I think it is worth looking, looking at just to kind of get a just a broader picture. It's guys in their, they're in their 50s now. They're going to spend probably the rest of their lives there. um although there's some movement now to figure out a way to do the reduce sentence but i don't know if that's going to happen for them probably not um but it's it's very interesting and it'll also piss you off how the media then and so much worse now shapes everything you hear like that will piss you off regardless of how you feel about these murders like eff the press for real these guys are dicks uh anyway most of them i shouldn't say all them no blanket no blanket statements here everybody all right no no none whatsoever no not at all uh anyway these all are going to be up on crooktm s dot l i tms tm s oh yeah let me put the giff up there you go seamless it is seamless uh anyway thank you

uh randy for hanging with us what are we doing for film sack this week oh we got a wonderful wonderful discussion episode yeah yeah that's going to be great we're talking about spy movies and y'all are going to like that because you can pipe in with your own thoughts and stuff and give us some feedback so look forward to that that'll be this Sunday and between now and then we hope you have a fantastic Halloween Randy don't eat don't eat any razor-filled Snickers though all right I you know what I'm really good at eating around the blade oh good I'm really good at it I prefer eating yeah I eat around the Wesley Snipes is what I do it's a skill you develop very quickly like you don't make the same mistake twice on those

no watch for those it's fine it's fine okay good full candy bars only at randy's house all the kids let them know get over there okay we'll see you later bye right I just committed them into doing full candy bars there's nothing they got about it nope now they can't get out of it they did not have time he did not have time to argue

yep sorry about that all right hey before we go quick note from Alex from Savannah uh he says this love triangle with her Cory Hame and Charlie Sheen he says me out loud in a crowded place

Lucas Thanks for making me look like a crazy person With headphones on yelling out 80s movies titles It's just another situation where we talk about a thing And then someone's in public And we're not quite sure what it is at first If we don't try it if we don't remember it Or say it right away they're yelling at like yeah

Yeah do you get to meet Alex Was Alex there at the thing to meet up? He must have been He's in Savannah Alex from Savannah Yeah some of these people I met and I only know them by their player names. Their screen names.

I don't know them by their real names. Yeah. Sometimes it's like... He had to have come and... I would think so. If you're in Savannah, you may as well be there, right? Yeah. I also, on ironically, like that gift chat room.

It's a good one. Look at that. We should use it for everything, always. Yeah, that's great. Let's get out of here. We're done. Frogpants.com slash TMS for all things. morning stream whatever you need to do contact us find stuff whatever old episodes it's all there and

it's there for the taking so go check it out Brian let's get out of here with some music what do you got for us today yeah Kelly Sky wrote in and said my birthday is pretty much always during TMS Vegas so I don't get a slot for it and this is my last year before I have to get the old lady birthday song so can I celebrate my half birthday before it's too late and still get a let's party let's party always take advantage of the age bracket do it for sure uh life always seems to get in the way but hopefully i can be there next year love the show though kelly sky yeah we'd love to have you that'd be great yeah so um this is a great request this is uh i had no idea that that anyone now we talked about the descendants

earlier the disney um channel movies that are about the the descendants of classic villains this is the this is about the band the descendants and hammond and i listened to a bunch of music um for soundography i had no idea though that there was a tribute released in 2012 called either or sucks a tribute to descendants and it's still got that kind of raucous punk ska kind of feel to it here is the band bike tough and the song when i get old happy birthday callie sky Will I hop on my bike And ride around town Will I still want to be someone

And not just sit around I don't want to be like other adults They've already died Coolingonsensi And fossilized Will I be rich Will I be born Will I still sleep on the floor?

What will it be like when I get? What would it be like when I get? What would it be like when I get? Oh. Will I still kiss my girlfriend and try to grab a ass? Will I still hate the cops that have no class? All my grown-up friends say they've seen it all before. Say, hey, at your rage, when I'm in the shore.

Will I turn myself proud for only what's allowed? What will it be like when I can't? What will it be like when I can't? What will it be like when I can't? When I sit around and talk about the old days, sit around and watch TV I never want to go that way, I never go, never burn out and not fade away As I travel through my time, will I laugh what I find What will it be like when I can't?

What will it be like when I can't? What will it be like when I can't? Oh More fun for teenagers.