The Morning Stream - TMS 2729: Flip Lish Leesh

Episode Date: October 31, 2024

Happy Halloweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen. TMS with Scott and Stitch. The Business Part of the Costume. Leprechaun pick up line. Hallo is it Ween You're Looking For. Theoretical Crankage. Except for the Man Face. The Way of the Physics. Go eat a handful of bees! The most punchable face. Dracula Meets Rogan and Franco. Used peppermint chewing gum. Raising Pete. We Love Wesley's Disembodied Arm, With Monica. Keeping your hole warm with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

T'was the night of Halloween and Twix the Trees was a ghost of formidable reputation. Once questioned, the ghost remarked how lifelike the hosts of TMS have been are and will be. I quickly got the hell out of there and headed back to the safe environs of home and hearth. Word off the ghost by signing up at patreon.com slash TMS today. Coming up on the morning stream, Happy Halloween. TMS with Scott and Stitch. The business part of the cost of the cost. Leprocon pickup line

Hello, is it ween you're looking for? Theoretical crankage. Except for the man face. The way of the physics. Go eat a handful of bees. The most punchable face. Dracula meets Rogan and Franco.

Used peppermint chewing gum. Raising Pete. We love Wesley's disembodied arm with Monica. Keeping your whole warm with Wendy and more on this episode of the morning stream. Try a handsome new, gleaming new

nine passenger Bowville. For shopping, for hauling a full load of kids to a picnic, you name it, the Bullville fills the bill. Oh, yum, yum, yum, yum, ma'am. Good morning and welcome to TMS. That's right. It's Halloween. It's October 31st, 2024, and we are your spooky host, Scott Johnson and Brian Nibbitt. Boo.

Pretty scary, right? Yeah, it was scary. Yeah. I've even taken, I guess I should put it on, I didn't, I wore it for the pre-show. I should wear it for at least part of the actual show. I'll put on the, uh... That's Stitch, everybody. Look at this.

This really, this really is the business part of the costume because all of this is just a little Stitch drawings. Like I'm like a cave and one of the cavemen saw Stitch. Yeah. It's like Stitch is Post Malone, but instead of writing other stuff on himself, he wrote his name all over himself and his own image all over himself. Exactly. Right.

Oh, that would be great if Post Malo just covered himself with pictures of Post Malone, like his own faces and stuff. I might worry about him a little if he did that, but yes, he should do it. But that looks great. You look like Stitch, except for the man face hanging out the bottom. Other than that, I was fooled. Yeah. I looked like Stitch just ate the guy pumping gas into your car in New Jersey.

Wow, a combination I had not considered before today's show. Big thanks to J.K. and Sarah Grammer for this awesome onesie that I told him right off the bat. I'm wearing this on Halloween as soon as they offered it or gave it to me. I'm like, all right, cool. Thank you. Nice, nice, nice. Did you happen to see yesterday? Oh, Harold Mun's family.

Did you happen to see Carter's Furious? the last night i'll put it up so you can oh no look at that oh that's awesome she wore it for why did she have the uh why did she have the uh she didn't wear it she just held it up okay yeah okay good oh that looks great did she wear that so she wore that for the wednesday monday show yeah she wore the at least the face part and then the uh head part and then the face part she just put on for a little so somebody in your family can do stuff for hallowing oh yeah yeah yeah kim too kim's also gonna do stuff today everybody's got dress up plans um i was gonna wear a wig and do something but I don't know, I got busy

and then this morning was crazy and I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to, I'm going to dress like I dress and it's fine. There you go. There you go. Anyway, happy Halloween, everybody. I hope you're having a congratulations to the Dodgers Win the World Series, despite the actions of some stupid Yankee fan.

I missed the, no, I missed the thing with the, oh, was it the one trying to pull the glove, take the thing out of the glove? Like, the guy is like, the most punchable face too like that guy has a very punchable face yeah he I saw that and I and everybody kept doing memes like um this is me on my last day in target trying to buy a I don't know they would always try to compare it like somebody yeah it was always jokes like that but um yeah the world series is uh is a big deal man and the Dodgers I don't feel like they

haven't been in there in a while is it just me feels like they haven't been in there in a while but I guess it's you know been not that many years ago I don't No, yeah, I don't know. But Tom and Eileen got to watch it from their hotel in Korea, and they were kind of in the middle of the night watching it, and there's some really fun pictures of them up on Instagram. Up in the middle of the night watching a baseball game. Yeah, no.

Massive Dodgers fans. They're both into it because that would be, Tina would, you know, the mammoth would be the only thing that I'd even consider doing that for if the mammoth were in the finals. I mean, his team wasn't even in the World Series. He's a St. Louis guy, not a, at L.A. or a New York guy. I think, yeah, I think he'll default to whoever the underdog is once St. Louis is out of the running, but you're right, though, he's St. Louis until they lose, which is often. If Tina's sleep was interrupted by me watching a middle of the night game, sports of any kind, I think I'd be having to get a second hotel room, I think, would be the deal.

Well, this is no such thing as a free hotel room. Get that guy in the chat. Sorry, buddy. yeah sorry buddy anyway uh we're glad to be here we hope you have big plans tonight and you have fun ideas planned uh all your kids are excited all that stuff because it's uh it's halloween damn it and uh we're here to bring you a show on this fine halloween real quick here um oh i already told the story so i'm going to get rid of that i'm going to talk about this uh frost em in i told it yesterday on the monday show and i totally forget it's a stupid thing anyway

basically the bottom line of it was i yelled a noise outside and i swear it caused somebody's car alarm to go off. What are you, black bolt? I went, I went, meh, like that. And I heard the car go, whir, whir, whir, immediately after I did it. So I was sure I did it. So later we tested it.

And I yelled again, same exact tone and everything. Oh, really? It didn't work. It didn't do it. Okay. All right. Just timing. Anyway, I was afraid I was going to piss off my neighbor.

Frost M.N. wrote in, this is about the abacus. We've had, for whatever reason, multiple discussions about abacus. Yeah, abacus discussion really is carried on a lot longer than anybody would have expected. Abakai, as you said, very astutely last time we talked. Says here, hey, slider and beads. That's pretty good. I was listening to the discussion on abacuses. You mentioned the Incan Yapuna, or sorry, Yapana, I think is how they said.

Yupana. Yupana. If you've been watching the most recent season of the new Futurama series, the Notted Quipu Bender finds the ancient computer program where used, I guess it was used probably, for record storage at the time when the Upana what at the time

with the Upana for arithmetic So the nodded Kripu that bender finds Yeah Ancient computer program Yeah

Where that's where things Go off the rail Yeah it's the where That ain't supposed to be in there Anyway I have not The point The main point I wanted to get to Is I am embarrassingly behind

Now on Futurama And that that's lame because it's one of my favorite series of all time. Top three shows ever, and why wouldn't I be keeping up with that? I'm literally two, these two new seasons, I'm two behind. Oh, really? Okay, wow. Explain that. Wow.

I don't get it. Yeah, I'm on episode seven of the new season. And, man, it goes places with, I mean, it's always, it's always pointed out social commentary, but this episode, this fashion episode with Professor Farnsworth, or who are they call him, Professor Farnes Uh Something A little play with his last name

Uh for for um Fashion and these clothes these disposable clothes really goes places Go some weird places. All right. I need to catch up. You know got to get in there. Have they talked about um Have they done a send up in these two new seasons of the I don't know

NFTs or AI or any of that crap yet? That's got to that's got to be a thing. Yes. They actually absolutely have. And Squid Game. They did a little send-up of Squid Game. Fantastic. Yeah, they're...

That's great. Dipping their toes into the pop culture Zitegeist is what they are. That's what they do. They do it better than anybody else as far as I'm concerned. Good news. Well, thank you Frost MN for that. A little follow-up. We've got a fun Halloween thing here from...

Let's see. Who is this from? This is from Pete. From North Carolina. Pete says this. Pete from NC here. Do Do Pie in the Discord. with some new info on one of our favorite horror movie classics.

Tony Todd owns Hollywood and also bees, apparently. Rock on guys and Phil Fish Lish. I'm not sure what that means. Oh, Rip Phil Lish. Why did I, you know what I was thinking of our guy? Flip Fish Leash? What did you say? I don't know what I was thinking.

I was thinking of our own guy, a lucky Phil for some reason. Lucky Phil. Oh, yeah. I don't know why. It doesn't make any sense. All right, check this up. The Grateful Dead passed away. Yeah.

let's see the graphic oh he did when he die was that recent three days ago yeah i missed it friday saturday i think i wonder if there's a coverville coming then there isn't there is it oh all right then it's it's hard for me to do grateful dead covers because nobody wants to cover a 12 minute song makes sense uh so all right so we're talking about tony todd famous for his candy man character right yeah at least one thing he did he's a fantastic actor and lots of things but anyway here's what he sent me this is the graphic that has text on it says one of the most disturbing behind the scenes facts about Candyman is that real bees were used in the scene where bees emerged from Candyman's mouth. A thing we bring up on the show all the time. I'll shoot bees out of my

mouth. Star Tony Todd wore only a dental dam to protect himself so the bees would not fly directly down his throat, but he was stung many times. Quote, I negotiated a bonus of $1,000 for every sting during that bee scene. And I got stung 23 times, 23 grand. Everything that's worth making has to involve some sort of pain, says Todd. And, yeah, remember this? Here's the, here's a closer shot of him doing it. Real freaking bees. Yeah, dental dam or not, I don't think it's, it's covering the inside front of his mouth,

like that soft area where your lips between your lips and your teeth and stuff, which, yeah. I know. It's horrifying. Can you imagine? It is absolutely horrifying. I'm not sure a thousand per sting is enough. I may have gone, I may have pushed for more if I were Tony Todd's people.

Yeah, yeah. Anyway, that's awesome, though. I love this stuff. No way anybody these days is doing that. It is so totally CGIBs. Yeah. Oh, hell yeah, dude. Are you kidding me?

Not just to save the money, but to just like, like, why. I'm not saying, yeah, I'll use real bees. About a thousand bucks for every time I get stung. I imagine putting like a freaking handful of bees in your mouth. I don't care how your dental dam is. Gross. Brian, real quick, let me swing back to the, to the Phil Lesh thing. yeah yeah you so I know a few people that consider themselves deadheads never really your

thing right not really your no I like I like I like the greatest hits I'll be I'll be honest I am not I'm a fair weather grateful dead fan no desire ever to go to a dead show or or dead in company or you know the Phil Leshen friends or any of the other iterations that have come through but I like I like ripple I like Casey Jones I like you know there's there's easily about 10 songs of theirs that i like and they're all conveniently on the grateful dead greatest tits album so yeah and i guess you answered my main question which is have you ever been to a dead concert but what was the draw why why was that such a thing or even still now people talk about the dead like it was a holy time of yeah i mean it's it was a way it was

a community of people who liked something so much and loved the community around them that um Whenever that thing would occur, they'd make sure that they were there for it. And you kind of get, you know, we have a tiny little bit of that with FrogPants Meetups, the Southeast Meetup, TMS, Vegas, Nurtacular, whatever, you know, whatever event we would put together, we have friends in this community that will do whatever they can to be there for it. Were they close to their people like that? You know, like, you know what I mean? because you and I would, we'll go to one of these things like we'll go to Vegas and we almost know everyone. We're all talking about.

I assume it's not like that with them. People know each other and it's, and it's, you know, it's, um, you'd see people at the communities trading tapes and that sort of thing of shows that people couldn't make it to. It's like, oh yeah, did you not, did you not go to the Roanoke show? Oh, here's a copy of the tape with the Roanoke show. Check it out. And you get that, you don't get quite the following, um,

that you do at the Grateful Dead with bands. like string cheese and fish and stuff like that. But it's pretty darn close. Like, instead of saying, I'm going to go to every stop on their tour, you get the people who say, yeah, when they come to Denver for three days, we're going all three nights. Oh, I see. Yeah. So there's a-

That makes sense to me. Being a roadie is different than being a, you know, or not a, what do they call them? Roadies, right? The ones that follow everybody around? Groupies. Groupie. Groupie. Yeah, roadies do follow them around, but they're paid to to lift amplifiers and stuff.

They're sending up and tearing down. I always mix those two up. But if we have any actual groupies in our listening audience who have been active groupies of some band, could you write in and tell us about it? Because I'm curious about that. I don't know anyone personally who's like a go everywhere the band. And I think there's probably a better term because when I think groupies,

I think almost famous, I think of the women that really do do everything they can to kind of get backstage with the band and perform services for the band. What's her face? Plastercaster. That's her face. Yeah.

I mean, for The Grateful Dead, it's your Deadheads. It's, uh, for Joe Diffy, it's the Diffy cult. Diffy cult. I like that. I like that. I just like that name. I couldn't tell you a single song by Joe Diffy, but I love the fact that his fans are the Diffy cult. Yeah.

The Gaga has her little monsters, um, Swifties for Taylor Swift. Who do you get for, uh, who, like the Kiss ones? They were probably just groupies. Oh, the Kiss Army. Oh, Kiss Army, right, right. Yeah, the Kiss Army. So every kind of legendary band has some nickname for them. Yeah, but yeah, I'm trying to think that did the Beatles have, there weren't really.

They were called Ringoes. Ringo stars. Just follow them around everywhere, you know. Yeah. Wait, so let's see, Beatles, what would they have been? Beatnicks or beat, beat, beat, beat. Beetleights. Beetle heads.

I mean, it almost was, it was before they came, went I think before before that was really a thing to have a fan base name so they were probably just Beatles fans. How about the Stones? Beetle maniacs? Are that might be? But I just thought that was generally just people

that were just huge Beatles fans. That's different than following them around. But what are the Stones? I don't think had one either and you think they, you know what, they must because they've been around for so long that they may not have had a term for Stones fans at the beginning but they have to have them now.

Like, people have to... Oh, yeah, right? You go to a concert and you're like, oh, yeah, no, this is where all the stoners sit, which suggests by a couple people. Stoners would work, sure. Stoners would be great. I think that's also the Snoop Dog fan club.

That's what we called those kids in high school out by the cars during lunch. The Afro-Man followers, the people who attend every Afro-Man concert. Yeah, it's interesting. Well, we need, I know we have tadpoolers, but is that enough? We need something that's kind of lascivious. We need some, like, uh, somebody suggested tadpool, tadpuligans as the, the upper echelon of,

it's not bad. Like, if you, if you come, if you do something when we come to your town, like we do, if we go to Vegas and you live in Vegas and you come to that, but you don't necessarily go to any other events, like Nurtacular or anything like that, then you're a tadpuller. If you come, if, if, if when we go to a town and have a meetup thing, you also go to, you also go to, to that town fly there from wherever you're at you're a tad pulligan tad pulligan i like that yeah all right hire we've now designed we've uh officially recognized the tier of tad pulligan the tad pulligan tier is now real and you uh you get your membership card we do not we don't take any of those weird services brian alluded to before at the band no no no no no please you know we drew on a boob and that's about as far as we're going to go yeah i'll draw on your boob i may even look away

well, I'd do it, but I'll do it. The, uh, Barry always said that if you create a hierarchy of levels, of tier levels for something, he will always do whatever the top one is. Yeah, he's a, he's an MVP or a VIP, always. Always the VIP.

That's right. Yes, exactly. I love that about Barry. Uh, it'll also tell you which wine to drink. All right, let's see. You will. We need to get, uh, speaking of tadpuligans, we're going to get Monica in here. She's going to join us. And I thought I had this ready And I don't So let's click her name

Here we go I don't have any good A little horror theme here I mean I have this thing I've been playing lately Which I kind of like Let's try it This has got like

The one the fan made With his friends And it's got You know A vampirey thing coming up Oh Scary Like 1980s

Synth scary And that's good Because guess who's joining us Yes, that's right. You heard it. You know it. It's Monica, aka Wicked Kitten, a tadpooligan among us. And she joins us now, as she does not often enough to talk about horror movies.

Monica, welcome. You're not in this, usually you're on your set that's got like all the VHS tapes and the red light and all that stuff. Yeah, you're usually in the, you're usually in the room that looks like the Mandy set. What happened? Well, I didn't. I'm in a hotel room right now. Oh, right. Yeah, you're doing the, you went to the con that, um, the horror con, right?

How'd that go? What's the horror con? Yes. Tell us more about that. Yes. I, yeah, I went to, uh, Chiller Theater Con, which is, uh, here in New Jersey in, um, one of the towns I can't pronounce. And, um, yeah, I met, I saw some famous people. I didn't, uh, approach them because they charge a lot of money for those autographs, you know?

I saw John Cusack. He was looking pretty rough. Looking rough, was he? Okay. What do you mean by rough? Let's get into the definition of rough. Was he just looking old? Was he looking tired?

Is it like he didn't want to be there? Like, what do you think that was going on there? Yes. Okay. All those things. I'm going to say yes. And I feel like we weren't the only ones that thought so because there were some other people who were having a conversation about how he looked rough.

And like he was wearing a baseball hat and he looked like, You know, he hadn't slept and things like that. It's like you're going to pay $100 for a picture with John Kusack and he's going to look like, you know. 100 bucks. Geez, he gets a good rate. That's really good. I thought the going. I don't know.

That's how much it is we didn't. Would he do it if I gave him a pen? Yeah. Would he? Do you get it? Do you get the reference? No? All right.

Hey, Monica, here's the fun part about you going there. You're a big horror fan. You have a show called Gore. We talk about horror stuff all the time. And we've watched some horror things. together on what we used to do with couch parties all that sort of stuff so we're having you on on halloween to make some recommendations and i think by by the pulse of the nation i can i can kind of glom onto the idea that this has been a good year for horror right you got smile too

it's always a good year for horror well every year's pretty good and every year it feels like somebody says oh there's this standout horror movie or whatever but i don't know why it just feels like at least 2023 through 24 been a strong you know a couple of years strong 24 months you got a you got Maxine the third part of that

whole series lots of good stuff you got that late night with the devil which I finally watched by the way I have a lot of thoughts on it you're picking all the movies that I was going to talk about you can still talk about it we just said their names we just marquised them yeah we just marqueed them that's a good way putting it

I was going to say something real quick about that movie, though. Do not watch that movie late at night, even though it says late night. Because it's creepier at night. I think I should have watched that in the daytime, because they really got under my skin about, and I wasn't even sure I was going to like it. I got halfway through it going,

this is a little overblown. I'm not sure this is as good as everyone says it is. And then that thing goes places, and you're like, holy mother of shit. Anyway, so Monica, lay it out for us. What are your recommendations? Well, I'm sorry, I had like a whole plan of what I was going to say.

You say whatever you want. Can I? Can I? Can I? Can I? Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. Well, I was going to say, like, I, you know, for those of you who know who I am, I

usually come on. This is my three years I've been coming on for Halloween and three to four times throughout the year. And after this, I'll be on monthly on the Friday show. So I wanted to make sure people become patrons so that, they can come and and watch me on the Friday shows. That's right. If you want to hear her,

I mean, we'll still do the Halloween thing no matter what, but if you want to hear TMS Fridays with just a little Monica sauceed in there every month. Oh, man, I'm so excited. She's also here for playdates. So you hear her scrambling to fit people into teams

and get them all lined up and all that. It's awesome. You could not do play date without her, like just her level of organization and being able to manage all that is indispensable. Cat hurting. Yep. Cat hurts.

And, you know, I don't just, just, I don't just want to come on and, like, talk about, you know, recommendations of horror movies because that will probably get, you know, a bit tired. But I'll also want to come on, and when I have topics to talk about, like, I don't know, like if somebody slanders one of my favorite movies, like Puppet Master or something, I was wondering, when I saw your defense of it in the, uh, the tadpool a couple days ago, uh, I was wondering if we were going to hear about that.

So, all right, okay. Yeah. Let me have it. Yeah, tell us why we were. wrong about it. Expend that thing. All right. Like, look, it's just, it's a classic, you know, Blue, Blue Moon Entertainment,

Full Moon Entertainment movie. It is, it is, it was meant to be, you know, out on video, so it's, it's cheaply made, but it's just, it's just got heart. And if you get to the third movie, that movie is really something special. And so, you know. That's what I hear. I hear the Lord really, think of it's so freaking. Oh, yeah, he's adorable.

Look at him. Look at all these guys. Pinhead. with his little head. He's looking blade and, uh, yeah. I never realized that pinhead's eyes were kind of Picassoy, like one high and one, one, one low. Yeah, it's, uh, pinheads, pinheads, you know, no, no, no, little pointy eyes. Yeah, he's the little guy.

I'm not talking about blades, I'm not talking about how pinhead's eyes. One looks high and one looks low. Oh. He looks like he may have gotten poked in the eye by screw, screwhead over here. The tunneler. Yeah, the tunler. I can never remember his name, but he's got a Hershey's kiss on his head is what that looks like to me. And another topic I'll glaze on real quick is it glaze on.

But not long ago when I was guesting, I talked about the Invisible Man, right, at some other request. And Brian brought up, well, will there be anything with the Dark Universe? And I'm here to tell you, yeah. Lee Wannell, who made The Invisible Man, he has the Wolfman coming out in January. And then James Wan is in development for Creature from the Black Lagoon. So we're going to get some, you know, some cool dark universe. I'm a little bit nervous about all that. Yeah.

Yeah, me too. The thing, though, Brian, is like, can they, all right, these are, the names you just said, James Wan, these other guys, these are premier directors, directors, writers, producers of horror content have been for a while. They've established themselves as this generation's like go-to guys. They make amazing stuff. Great, TV projects, movie projects, all that stuff. So I really do trust them.

They're, you know, flanning. another one, all these, if you mentioned their names, I'm like, oh, and I pique my interest. I just not so sure the universal thing has a connection outside of really old people who are on the verge of death. Like, a creature from the Black Hagoon, you're going to have to reinvent in a way because no one has real connections to that. I mean, we do from memories, but I'm not like, oh, my favorite horror movie growing up. No, it was my grandparents' favorite horror movie.

Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah. Like, look how few people had ever heard of Guardians of the Galaxy before the MCU pulled them in. I think you're just basically saying, all right, we got a new generation that is going to experience these things. And if they have character crossovers and stuff like that, are we going to get a Dracula meets Seth Rogan and James Franco kind of movie? Possibly. I mean, and you got to remember that the way Lee Wanel and James Wan met in, you know, when they were young in school, their friends they created saw together

that's where they come from and then they you know they kind of like separated to make insidious and conjuring and all the other movies that they've made so like maybe they will maybe they will do something that's like combining I don't know you know Guillermo de Toro made that

what's the fish sex movie oh shape of water that felt like you know the recreation of creature from the black lagoon so I don't know what James Juan would do but, you know, I'm excited to see. I'm excited. That Invisible Man was just one of my favorite iterations next to the original.

Oh, the newish one with, what's her name? Elizabeth Moss. No, no, no. Elizabeth Moss. Yeah, that whole conversation about it. Yes, we did. I do not remember if I've seen that. Have I, no, I'm thinking of Hollow Man.

I haven't seen it yet. Yeah, I did see it, and maybe I need to give it another chance. Yeah, Hollow Man is. Yeah. But you know, I'll say, this, the design for the original creature from the Black Lagoon I hope they don't change it too much because I

still feel like that look holds up. It's a very it doesn't look the look of the old God, I can't remember who's in the suit but the look of the old creature from the Black Lagoon I feel like is still unnerving

and weird and as believable as you could get. And classic, you know, for a fish-looking for a fish guy for a fish guy yeah yeah no they could do it those eyes and the weird

yeah yeah but do you think because these guys come from such horror roots and a lot of their stuff is pretty gory and pretty wild what do they lean into general audience happiness or do you think they lean into let's get edgy with this

this creature from the black gogoon is going to eviscerate this person like how hard do you think they go Monica when this actually happens I mean like you I mean most of their stuff who've been their own, aside from the invisible man. And Lee Waddell, you know, he wrote this story that was more traditional with modern times

as opposed to being this story about this man who goes invisible and what would you do if you had this creepy power. It's more like from the perspective of the woman. So like, even just changing the perspective of how the movie is seen, that in itself could be interesting. I don't know what they would do. What do you think about this, James? Think about it. You love The Conjuring. And the insidious movies, they know how to make it scary.

They know how to do jump scares. Yeah. That's true. You know what? The Conjuring movie is less about, you know, shocking moments of either gore or whatever and more about psychological jumps and that sort of thing. So they probably will find the right mix and do it just fine. But I have faith in it because of it.

Have you watched this T-Cup thing at all? The new James Wan produced TV show that's on, I want to say, Peacock, I think? Yeah, Peacock. Have you seen this? No. the trailer and she said, you can watch that on your own, Brian. Because Stephen King is like praising this thing.

He's like, this is my favorite things. I mean, I look, the cast looks great. I want to watch it. Yeah, me too. Stephen King likes everything, doesn't he then? It does seem like he's pretty. Even King liked that second season of Under the Dome. So I wouldn't take his.

Oh, did he? I mean, nowadays, I feel like he's, he's very happy about stuff. How much time do I have left? You have all, you got all the time in the world. Tell us more. Oh, okay, good. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, so I'm going to, you know, I'll talk about topics that are fun during my regular segment. So make sure you become a patron of these guys. They're awesome. We're great. We're great. Come get in here. Everyone's great. Here, here. Yeah. But I'll talk about some of the stuff that I've done. So I went to the convention. I already talked about that. I did see Smile 2. That thing is so jump scare heavy. I was screaming like a maniac in the theater because, well, that's what I do.

Let me ask, before we get too far away from the con, though, you mentioned John Cusack. Is he there because of 1408? Is that his foray into horror enough to make him show up at a... Actually, there's a few pop culture people that showed up there. So Molly Ringwall was there. She's not in any horror movies. Unless he called that Fresh Horses. That's pretty horrible.

There's like some... It's got... horror in it. No, you know what, that's not true. She's in some horror things, right? Like, uh, maybe I'm thinking to somebody else.

Now that you're saying it, maybe you're right. That seems weird. Okay. So it's, so like, people just go to cons to. Sure. But remember, we would go, Brian and I went to a Star Trek concert in Vegas,

or Star Trek convention in Vegas that had like Jaws from James Bond and the soup Nazi for some reason was there. Right. It's like, so they always, this always seemed like, she wasn't. the stand. Oh, the recent, the old one or the, the old one or the new? The old one.

I know. I got to go back to that and watch that again. Yeah, Space Hunter. That was pretty horrific. Maybe that's enough. Hara. But there was like a couple of, you know, like, I think there was like a Playboy playmate and like, you know, people just go there to do signatures.

There was a one of the jackass guys was there, which, you know, whatever. Which jackass guy? Which guy was it? I'm a fan. Bam something? Oh, Bam, Margarra. I didn't watch the shit. Yeah.

I don't know anybody. One of the Beatles is there. Paul something? Well, in his case, he's like the guy that got kicked out of the Beatles because he's no one likes him. Oh, he's just do Sutcliffe of jacket. Nobody's letting Bam around it anymore. Mirro Sorvino was there. Oh.

Oh, really? Oh, nice. Talking about the relic. No, the relic was the other one. It was a. Yeah, relic was size more. Mimic. There it is.

Mimic. Right. Thank you. I'd like me. I like. Amy Esbeck was there. Mira Sorvino, by the way, just like kicked ass in the recent Celebrity Jeopardy season. She is brilliant.

Oh, I love her. She has a, yeah. She's, she's, she's, uh, mental-level genius. She got screwed out of, uh, she got screwed out of, uh, she got screwed out of, uh, Harvey Weinstein just screwed her. Oh, did you say Paul Sorvino? No, no, her dad was awesome. He was a good dude. Her dad was awesome.

But did they have some problems or am I thinking of, and, uh, I think I guess I'd probably if they can avoid and Angelina. Oh, yeah, yeah, they don't get along very well. Yeah.

Anyway, sorry. Back to you, Monica. All right, please continue. Yeah. I don't know if you know this about us. Amy Azbeck was there. Oh,

Amy Azbeck from Wings. What? No way. A problem child? Problem child? Is that whom I think you're naming asbeck? Yeah. That's why you have her come.

She was married to John Ritter. Yes. Yeah. Before he passed. Yeah. Yeah, I can't afford to get everyone's autograph. Like,

there was a horror host that I watched, Joe Bob and Darcy, they were at the con, and I got a picture with them, me and Dreadlord, Wesley, and, you know, got their autograph because, you know, we're big fans of them. Nice. And they're cool people. Nice. And, yeah, so that was, yeah, that was my, that was my con. And there's, you know, there's lots of, like, people selling things like memorabilia and shirts and toys, posters, you know, all sorts of things like that, vendors. So it's a fun time.

It's a smaller convention, so if you're worried about, you know, lots of people, it's smaller. But we are going to a bigger convention in a week or so, and that's going to be a bit scarier. That one's going to be Monster Mania in Philly, which is just, I'm scared, but we're going to meet Art the Clown. Oh, my gosh. Is it going to be actual the dude, the guy who plays him? Yeah, it's going to be the dude. Will he be dressed up? She might murder us then.

Will he be art? Do you know? oh man that's awesome he's very good apparently he's really good at this whole like showing up at events and stuff and looking super menacing and stuff he's like the lord of that right now i'm excited for it he had a whole spirit Halloween commercial that was hilarious he's just going around like that's great really scaring people that's great that guy he said i guess i need to see it yet oh you so i haven't seen three i've seen one and two i will see three uh john went and saw it in theaters by himself, which I think is funny.

And he really liked it, like, a lot. So what did you think of three? Did they push all the right boundaries for you? I loved it. There is, like, you know, I have such an affection for these movies. Like, since the original was, like, over the top and it was, like, grimy. But since then, they have, like, really started to fine-tune the gore and make it just some of the most over-the-top.

ridiculously comedic, but also still scary as heck. It's just great. You're in the movie there, you're screaming, you're laughing. You know, stuff's getting chainsawed. It's great. It's almost like, yeah, if you like gory movies, it's 100% for you. And if you like gory movies that don't take themselves too seriously. Like it isn't gore in a like a real world sense.

It's just ridiculous. but also really gross. Like the chainsaw lady, sorry, the saw lady, I'll just call her that in the first one. Still, I can't get that out of my head. I'll never forget it.

Yeah. Oh, you never will. Yeah. So, Brian, you should see the Terrifier movies, is what I'm saying. Yeah, you're selling them. That would be great couch. Yeah, something that you just can't,

you still can't get out of your head. I don't know if I want that to be something I can't get out of my head. Yeah, it was absolutely one of the most horrifying scenes of any film I've ever seen in my life. I'll say that. And I will always take the, credit at getting Scott to watch

that movie because I was like, hey, you should watch this movie where this lady gets cut in half. Yeah, you convince me. But not the way you think. Yeah, it was 100% you that convinced me to do it. You're not bisected. Oh, it was bad. Oh, my gosh. Did they have to... You know what I mean. Did they have to do it the way they did it?

Is what I'm saying. I've seen plenty of people come with a saw in my life in movies. I don't mean in real life. I didn't need to see it that way. It's just something about it. That was a feat. For someone like me who loves practical effects, that was one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen. Like, I don't want people to get hurt.

You know, I want human beings to be good and nothing to happen to them. But in a movie where you can watch these things, it is amazing what they can do. Yeah. It is amazing. No, I agree. All right, excellent. So there's that. Wait, where were we?

Where are we? We have now 10 minutes. Just so you know what the clock says. We have 10 minutes. Yeah, yeah. So you got to cram. So I'll talk about what I'm looking. forward to.

So we have the convention I just said. We're doing that in a week or so. Tonight, Halloween night, I am taking, because Wesley obviously is visiting here in the, in the New Jersey from Belgium. Is he down to breakfast buffet? And I'm taking him to. He's down there getting extra sausage links.

I'm having like trouble with my ears, so I keep missing things that you guys are saying. I'm so sorry. Is Wesley down at the breakfast buffet? Is that where he is right now? No. He's doing IT. He's like next to me.

Oh, he's working. working. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Do an IT. I like that. I mean, for me, like he's a... Oh, Wesley Arm. Wesley. Wesley. That's a disembodied Wesley arm. Yeah. So I am taking him to Kevin Smith's Modcastle Cinemas to watch a Halloween night showing of House of a Thousand Corpses, which I have never seen before. So it will be my first, my first time around strangers. It's still the only good Rob Zombie directed film, in my opinion. The rest of his stuff's kind of trash. Actually, you know what?

I kind of like the Halloween one. It's okay. It's okay. Has its moments. But most of his movies, pretty bad. That one, that one holds up. It's gross and good. I'm excited.

Yeah. I think you'll like it. I've never been there before, even though I live in Jersey. Because it's, you know, it's a little bit of a drive. Sure. We know how you won't drive anywhere, Monica. I don't blame you, dude. Out there in the freaking...

Those of us in Southeast Meetup, know that you won't even make the effort. It's like six hours. It's a pretty long drive. It's a pretty long drive. But also, I wouldn't want to drive in the traffic. To do alone. I assume your traffic out there sucks. I've seen enough Sopranos episodes to know what's going on.

All right. It's not California. That's the only thing I can say. Yeah. Well, what is, though? Well. Woke up this morning, not driving down the coast. Anyway, sorry.

Did you continue on? Brian, did you want to do anything or you want me to fill it in with some of your stuff. I have a quiz. I can give you like five or six questions if you want to do it unless there's more stuff you want to talk about that you're looking forward to. Well, I could just say there's a movie called Heretic coming out and it's got Hugh Grant in the lead as this creepy guy and he looks like really creepy.

I'm scared of it. It's a religious horror movie. Those freak me out. So look forward to that. Yeah, that one's coming out. And Nesferatu. A couple of days, or no, this weekend, right? I think Heretic is this weekend.

Oh, no spra to. I'm so looking forward to. I think Kim and I are going to go see Heretic. We'll let everybody know what we think. I'm about halfway through Maxine, too. I'm about one and a half X's through Maxine. Oh, Maxine is so good. You know how long I was waiting for that movie, right?

Yeah. I would have cast, too. Not long enough. And Bacon and Ridge of Monaghan. He is so good in that movie. Yeah. He is. Yeah.

I need to see it still. That's streaming somewhere, isn't it? It is. Halsey? Halsey. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Is it Halsey or Halsey?

Halsey? I don't know. I just know it's an animal. It's a real name, Ashley. I know she did like a, she did a Diablo commercial. That's all I know. Or music video or something. She's, she is naked in that movie, by the way.

Sweet. Oh, is she though, or is it just a plastic? Is it her or is it the other chick? Well, Mia Goth is naked. She's always naked. She's always naked, but I know the British chick, the other, the other, the other one that comes to a sad end with Halsey. Oh. I have no idea.

Maybe I'm confusing my women. She's naked. I mix Halsey up with the one that was married to Musk. What was her name? Oh, Grimes? Grimes. I get those two mixed up. I don't know why.

I just do. Anyway, Brian, your quiz, sorry. Joe Guy Art, you're so right, the stump. the first casualty in Maxine. That's one I still feel right now. All right. I'm going to give you some trivia questions on horror sequels. So, not the originals, but horror sequels.

Okay. All right. Can I preface this with I'm not good at quizzes? Yes. Well, you better get good. I feel like we already knew. I think we kind of already felt this or knew this somehow. So it's fine.

You're good. Don't worry about it. Ty West both directed and then disowned. What sequel to an early 2000s? horror movie. Despite the title, the film abandons the original's rural setting for a high school. I don't know what this is.

What is this? I'll give you a photo. How's this? Let's see if this helps. Are you able to see Discord too? You probably are, right? Yeah. Oh. Right there is this still from the movie. Okay. I know what it is. Let's see if Monica, if you get that. Five seconds, just so we can get to other questions.

Questions. Beep. Beep. The one with the, with, with the, with the, with the, with the, with the, with the, with the, with the, with the, with the, with the, with the, with the, with the, with the, with the, with the, did I win? I don't know. Did I. Did I. Um, this is a cabin fever two.

Keepers creepers, too. That's what I meant. Oh, you're thinking Jeepers creepers. Oh. This is, uh, cabin fever two spring fever. Which is the sequel to the, I don't know what, cabin fever is not that good either. I'll just say it. Okay.

Come at me, everybody. I don't like cabin fever. fever. Take that. As we saw recently on on Film Sack, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre sequels are most notable for launching the careers of Matthew McConaughey and Renee Zellweger.

But what Oscar-named Oscar-nominated actor played Leatherface's older brother in 1990s Leatherface, Leatherface, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3 11 years before his most famous role. Okay. Man, you got good questions.

So what movie was this? Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3. It was called Leather Face, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3 in 1990, and he played Leatherface's older brother. In 1990. He was also very famously in a trio of films. No.

Vigo Mortensen. Ding! Oh, crap, and I knew that. Yeah, Vigo Mortensen. I remember that, and I remember at the time thinking, or I remember seeing that later and going, or seeing pictures of it going, hold on a second. Is that Eragorn? Sure enough. It's totally him. Well done, Monica. All right. We'll give you a couple more here. The subtitle, you got this one. This one you'll get, redeem yourself. The subtitle of the infamous Halloween 3 is shared by two other supernatural films and a 1966 song by Donovan. What is it? So Halloween 3, colon. There you go. Nicely done.

Well done. Good job. You get points for that. What horror movie... What horror movie villain wraps the following line over the end credits of his fifth film? From the cliffs of more to your front door, you better turn out the lights and pray some more. We're going to party through the night until the dawn, then you and I are going to get it on. Good Lord. Glad I'm not being asked us.

What horror movie villain wraps that through the end credits of his fifth film? I have no idea. The killer from Slumber Party Massacre 2? The key for that one is the Cliffs of Mower. Oh my God, I don't know. That's a... From the cliffs of Mora to your front door, you better turn out the lights and pray some more.

It's a leprechaun. Leprocon. Is it the lepercon? Yeah, that little guy was always rapping everything. It's always doing a rap. I'm going to get a pronunciation of how to pronounce the Cliffs of Mower in 5, 4, 4. four, three. Here it comes.

He adems. Oh, she says, I give up. Claire does in the chat. I know. I know, exactly. This low-budget 2003 film was such a splash that unrelated films were later retitled as its sequels, both in 2006 and 2017. That's a tough one. That's my clue.

That's your clue. This low-budget 2003 film was such a splash. That's a good clue right there, that unrelated films were later retouched. titled as its sequels, both in 2006 and 2017. Oh. Wait, the old six months thrown in. There was a movie in 2003, did well, and then two other films, they decided to rename them to be blank two and blank three, even though they were unrelated and didn't feature any of the same characters. And Splash is a big, big, oh, this is hard.

Left out in the water. Forgotten about. Left out in the water, forgotten about. Yeah, yeah, a couple scuba. Scuba? People scuba diving and they get left out in the water and they get forgotten and left by their boat. And they get left out in the open water and forgotten. Oh, it's free.

I know this. I know this because, yes, that's it. Well done. Yes. Is it because I actually said the word, Scott? No, it came to me right before he said. it but that also confirmed it so it was obviously very quickly became open water open water unrelated sequels 2006-2017 okay let's let's find another one here um let's see all right

geographically minded horror fans could tell something fishyy was going on in this sequel when a character wins a prize despite not knowing that brisilia is actually the capital of brazil and that's a tough one let's skip that one i still know what you did last summer i saw the answer thought, oh, she'll know this one, but that is a really deep cut for that one. All right, let's close out with this one, a really, really good one, because we're at 10. While most famous for his role in the 1960 original,

what actor reprised his role for three sequels more than 20 years later. There you go, well done. What was it? I missed out with the win. I missed it, what she said? Anthony Perkins. Oh, duh. That's a good one. That's a great thing. He came back as Norman Bates for three sequels, surprisingly. None of them.

And that second sequel is really good. No, no. No. That second one is good. It is better. Yeah, the attack of the old lady in the kitchen is alarming, whatever. I need to see them again, I guess. I remember those being really bad. It's like 40 years old, I think I can.

And you won't know what I'm talking about. No. When you see somebody in old lady in the kitchen, you might, but that's it. Yeah, soon as you see a lady in the kitchen, go, ah, Brian. You know it's over. Bing. Brian. Hey, Monica, tell us where to get Gore and why it's such a good show to listen to.

Oh, yeah. Well, if you like horror movies, you'll love Gore because we're all about horror movies. If you don't like horror movies, you can listen to us because we're really funny, I think. I think. But you can check this out at gorepodcast.com. You can also follow me on Twitter and whatnot because I'm Wicked Kitten 13. Yeah, Wicked Kitten 13. Don't forget it. Write it down. What do you even thinking out there? Monica, have a fantastic time. Enjoy the rest of your con jumping time. and tell Wesley that we love his disembodied arm floating in front of us. It's fantastic.

Bye now. All right. There we go. We're going to take a break. When we come back, my sister will be here. We're going to talk about a thing. We've got a follow up that will create a topic from one of you guys. So thank you for that.

It'll be right after this song, Brian Brought. What do you got there? Yeah, this is brand new from Miranda and the Beat. They've got a brand new album that's called Can't Take It just came out this last Friday. And this felt right for today. The song is called El Lobo Negro, which means the black wolf. Ooh, scary. Miranda and the beat, and the song El Lobo Negro.

Ha! Ha! Enrodeo! Ha! Ha! Ledo! Hello Leronello! Ha!

Ha! Hello Ha Hello Moreno Ha Ha Enro

Borneo Oh Mendo I don't know I'm going to be able to be. I don't know I'm going to be I'm going to be

I'm Ha! Ha! Hello hello Ha Ando hello Ha

Ha Hello Oh Ha Andro Oh Oh Mendo

Oh Sinko This sphinx posture, for example, gives elasticity to the spine and tones up the muscles of the abdomen. I'm not here to make a record, you dumb cracker. And we returned. Who is that again, please? That is Miranda and the Beat, or Miranda and the Beat. Brand new album is called Can't Take It.

Boy, you find it, and it's three people wearing leather jackets looking all tough in front of a subway, and they are tough. Miranda and the beat and the song El Lobo Negro. That's how you know someone's tough if they're dressed like that. The leather jacket, subway. Yeah. Those two things. You combine those two things.

Each of them on their own, not so tough, but boy, you put them together in. Yeah, I mean, I remember when I was younger, if I saw that coming up the road. Woo! I mean, here, there you go. You can share that with the Tedpil. That's Miranda and the beat right there. Don't mess with them. No, look at this, you guys.

It's like a theme gang from the Warriors almost, these people. Come out and, come out and moisturize my leather. Yeah. Especially a dude in a cowboy hat. He is intimidating. I don't like that, but all. Wow. The other guy just looks confused, like, which track is the number 13 going east?

Yeah, that's pretty good. Where do I catch the? I don't know what it is about. It is the subway setting that makes me think of Warriors every time. It doesn't matter who you show me in a subway. If it's a grimy subway, I just think Warriors. That's the way it is. That picture has a smell to it because of that subway.

Oh, yeah. You can smell that photo. For sure. What does it smell like, though? Let's give it the... Smells like used peppermint chewing gum, spilled beer, and sadness. Old used chewing gum, peppermint in particular, has a very unique vibe. It does, yeah.

I hate that smell so much. Just gum that's been there forever. Whoever had it before chewed it too long. Yeah. A homeless guy chewed it again, and then they put it under the thing again. Yeah. It's gross. It's gross.

Oh, Brandes. and also what you described. Also horrendous. Also horrendous. Hey, look who it is, everyone. Hold on. Where's my freaking thing for Wendy? Hold on.

Where is it? Okay, there it is. Here's another Minnesota tradition that's not so easy to throw in the garbage. That's right. My sister, Wendy is here. She calls us all the way from the great state of Minnesota.

And she's here and she's back after her whirlwind anniversary trip. How did it go, by the way? Oh, my gosh. So fun. Yeah. Oh, you know, I don't know if I'm I've ever had this thought before because I'm too young.

But I thought on Monday, maybe I should retire. Yeah. Why not? Just that feeling of like, oh, yeah, you should definitely just rest. It was great. Is it in the- Exactly everything. Was it so it's like a ruba or something or some kind of crazy? No, it's Curacao, which no one's ever heard of.

Have you guys heard of Carousel? I've heard of Carousel. Yeah. I've never heard of it. Sounds like an ingredient. I'm worldly, Wendy. You are worldly. I'm worldly with a lowercase eye at the end.

I love it. I love it. So you're close, Scott. So the Dutch and Tileys are these three islands off of the coast of Venezuela, and it's like Aruba. Yeah. The ABCs, Aruba, Bonair, and Curacao. Curacao is actually in the middle, which annoyed me. I wanted it to be Aruba.

Anyway. And it is beautiful. It's the first canoes essentially were carved out and invented there by the native people. Just wondering. Just a little fact you guys might want to know about canoes. Yeah, it was amazing and hotter than any place I've ever been. Really? I'm sure.

So hot. And to be like by the equator, right, where sun rose at 615, sunset at 615. It is 12 hours never ending hot. Never changes. Did you, so you come from the same horrible white skin. origins that I do, I found that when I was down near the equator in Cancun, I would get sunburn just in the shade. It didn't matter if I was in the sun or not. I just would sunburn from like radiation coming from all around me. So how did you fare that way? And I'm by fair. What we did,

this is very funny, is we bought 70 SPF and then whereas we were really careful. Like we did not want to ruin this by being stupid and burnt, right? And then we bought a giant bottle of aloe because we figured it wouldn't work and then hilariously we did not burn at all and came home the same freaking white color we've always been and left our giant bottle there for whatever dumb white people don't put it on screen on but it was yeah it was interesting like um it was beautiful i have to say my favorite part about the whole thing yeah was never once thinking about if my kids were okay because kim did such an amazing job oh my gosh it's perfect yeah she really she enjoyed it she had a great time with them and uh

She was so, she made muffins for my neighbor. She, like, it was so great. And my kids, I asked them, like, how was the food? And Elliot about passed out. Just he was in heaven all week having her cook. And she was awesome. That was so helpful to, you know, like you just don't have to worry. And so we could really, really relax.

It was great. Yeah, that's awesome. I'm glad you guys got to. And she had a great time with the kid. She doesn't get to spend as much. Thank you for having you guys far away. It makes it hard for, you know, that kind of bonding. but I think now they have a new favorite aunt

and I think that worked out great. That was really, it was really fun. How did you fare? Were you okay? It's terrible. I had an awful time. You really did. I ate like crap.

I ate like crap. I was grumpy. You know, it's just not a great week. But, you know, we were willing to make, we were willing to be a part of that sacrifice. It was totally true. It was the best week of my life, worst of yours. I'm so sorry.

That's how it goes. Well, no worries. It's good to have you here. Happy Halloween. Before we get into today's subject, do you have big plans for the Halloween deal tonight? What are you doing? This is exciting. This will be my first Halloween where everyone is at a party or off with friends, and it's just us.

And I need a movie recommendation. That's actually why I'm here today. I will actually get to sit and watch a Halloween movie and answer the door probably 12 times. It's usually not busier than that, but. And I've never done this ever. How dark and scary do you want? what do you want i want i want i can go to sleep at 10 you want a thriller but not a like i don't mean slashing gore stuff no just something fun woman of the hour might be good the

serial killer who goes on the dating game based on a real story based on true story yeah so that that'll take you close to the reality if you want that if you want um i always recommend barbarian from 2022 because it blew my mind and surprised me and didn't expect what I saw. What? Barbarian? Yeah, Barbarian's awesome. Yeah. It's not like barbarian like a guy with an axe and muscles. I don't like that.

Okay. Barbarian, 2020. Yeah. It's actually the name of the street. The whole thing takes place. That's not a spoiler. I didn't know that. And the first part of the name anagrams to Airbnb or something. There's something like that. Yeah. I love that movie because it took all the usual expectations you have for what that thing is supposed to be and it changes it.

And I still, I'm just nothing but wild respect for that movie. There are a couple of moments of like, you know, gory couple of moments, but nothing too crazy. It's not the worst thing. I think you'd do well with it personally. Okay. So there's our recommendations. And then, you know, if all else fails, the Muppets. Hunted Mansion.

Yeah, that's a good one. Charlie Brown's, the Great Pumpkin. Sure. Late night, would you recommend late night with the devil? I know you already said Yeah you already said You know what Our kid recommended that

He's like you gotta see it's so good It's pretty good It's really really good It's very different And that's what I think makes it good Because it doesn't have a lot of built-in expectations for it I struggled with the first half But it's for dumb reasons

That I won't even have to get into But I think it got It got crazy And then it got real good And by the end it was a big recommendation So that might be worth Late night What is it called the devil?

Night with the devil. Currently showing on, where did I watch it? Hulu. So pretty available. Actually, I watched it via Disney Plus, which makes me laugh because. Yeah, I love how that combines those two things. Well, anyway, let's get to today's message. This is from...

Thanks for that. No problem. We got something from... He didn't say we could use the name or not. I'll air on the side of no. So we'll just say this is S-C or S-D who sent this in and says, this is regarding Wendy's segment from August 29th and first responders. We talked a bunch about that and what that does to somebody.

I was in Leo in New Jersey for 26 years. Leo, I think, is short for something. Oh, a law enforcement officer. Oh, okay. There you go. I've never seen that before. Whoops. Killed the camera. There we go. Anyway, retired as a captain, and while not as busy, that busy of a department, we got our share of traumatic events. And because of the way EMS and fire services work in our area, mostly volunteer, police are usually first on scene and cross-trained to start whatever treatment is required.

After a few years, I found that I would go into an automatic mode, as Scott has mentioned in the past, and sometimes whatever horrific thing I was seeing didn't register until well after we were cleared. I'm also a recovering alcoholic, 36 years, thank you. That's awesome. And I'm not sure if that is related. New Jersey and most northern states do offer help for first responders to help deal with these situations, but some of us fall right through the cracks.

want to thank you guys and Wendy and her colleagues for getting the mental health issue in this country out of the dark ages. We desperately need more people to understand. It's not demons or weakness that is the problem. It's ignorance. Been a listener since pretty much to start. Love you guys and our community. Sorry if I was rambling. I have some long COVID issues. The brain fog is near the top. Stay safe. Can't confirm. That was the worst part of my last one. Anyway, so we asked for follow-ups, and we got this. And it, add some context to somebody on the grand who's gone through this. And I do think the one part is interesting. His status as a recovering alcoholic and whether or that contributed to that.

That's always been interesting to me. Like as a, I don't know, like alcoholism I've always been told is more genetic than anything. You know, your tendency to to either glom on to alcohol and then really integrated into your life is usually a genetic tendency. But I have to, I have to think environment plays a huge role there. So anyway, as far as all of this thing, yeah, go ahead. The Nicholas Cage movie where he's an EMT and turns to drinking and drugs and stuff like that. I can't remember what that was called. Oh, I don't know what that is.

I was thinking of leaving Las Vegas, obviously, that's not it. Yeah, very different, very different role. Different alcohol reasons, I guess. Spring you out, oh, thank you TV is Travis, springing out the dead. Oh, I never saw that. Is that good? Is that worth seeing? It is good. It's a hard watch. It is not your typical

Nicholas Cage film. Yeah. Well, anyway, so Wendy, where do you want to, what angle do you want to go out at this one as a follow-up to a, you know, similar discussion? Yeah. Well, first, thanks for the follow-up. That's really cool. And, yeah, let me just speak real quick to your alcoholism as genetic thing. and about 50% of the alcoholism can be attributed to genetic. So that's high, right?

You're not going to find that probably with most. But like twin studies, we know quite a bit about you can be identical twins raised in different environments are going to share and share the same genes, right? We'll find alcoholism there more than fraternal twins, even in the same environment, right? So you can have all sorts of different things going on. I think also you and I grew up in a home where our dad basically told us he was an alcoholic, though he didn't drink alcohol, because he felt like any substance was felt very addictive to him or he had a really high response.

And I've heard other people's parents do that to scare the kid, like, your grandpa, you know, to scare him away or something. I think I think dad was being genuine. like he would get buzzed from Advil. Yeah. So I think he was like, guys, let's just not do this. He would tell us. He would tell us this stuff and I would kind of go, I kind of roll my eyes as a teen,

but then he would hurt his back or something and they'd give him slightly harder than Tylenol and ibuprofen to deal with it. And he would send him for a loop. He just didn't react well to it or he was just hypersensitive to it. And what I always wondered, though, was it, it seemed like he had an advantage in that he didn't like how it made him feel. Yeah. And that feels counterintuitive to, if you're predisposed to addiction.

And it feels good. Yeah, you think that's how you would get down the bad path, but he seemed to be, it would repel him to feel that way. Yeah. Yeah, he didn't like feeling out of sorts that way, right? And I think it, so maybe there's another gene that's like, also when you metabolize this, you'll feel funky and you won't like it. I don't know.

But when, when I read the follow-up email and it said, you know, you know, you know, you know, recovering alcohol like 36 years, which is amazing way to go, not sure it was related. I would just immediately assume it's related. And that's because that environment would put anybody at risk genetic-wise or not because of the very fact we're talking about is that you can feel, escape from, dull, you know, all the good things alcohol provides for a fun Friday night. You start needing that, you know, every single day to get through the day and sober becomes more and more painful because of any psychological damage that has happened by witnessing

what you witness. So, you know, you're, you're, you just see a lot of humanity, right? And even the not busy department, I think a busy department, you're probably actually seeing so much of it. There's a rhythm to it. I think I've mentioned this before, but I worked with a couple of our doctors for a while. I had a, you know, like a slew of people in that industry. And all of them, you know, were just had such high tolerance for adrenaline and cortisol that sometimes it was hard for them to like have fun when they had time off. And so they do things like, you know, that flying, I forget what it's called, where they wear those suits that are like flying. They would do that on the weekend or do some crazy roller coasters or like just try to, because

their system was so acclimated to this intensity. I wonder sometimes even like an experience where randomly you're experiencing really horrific things or violence versus a more consistent stream would still be very traumatic and in fact potentially more so in an acute sense, right? And so yeah, that's real. Whenever you're dealing with human beings in their suffering or in, this is a generic word I'm using, not, I don't mean everyone, but in their psychosis, which is a place that anyone can get to with certain extremes, let alone legitimately having mental health, you know, issues. We can all be maybe not at our best. And that is when you're primarily interacting with people can really take a toll on feeling trust, right? Feeling trust

in the community you live in or with just people. sort of being ready for anything all the time. So it really does put you in a state of hypervigilance. And that state in our nervous system is really hard on us and hard as it's to sustain. And if we're not truly relaxing or truly sort of getting out of that, we're not built to do that very well. So we have to survive it. So alcoholism, one form. Someone else might use other addictive kind of behaviors, like actually working out as excessively and obsessively is another form of an addiction that can help treat things that way, right? We think maybe that's less damaging, but it's still the same concept.

So there's lots of versions of that. So I would automatically think this might be connected. And it's interesting, if I had any follow-up question, it would be, so how did you get sober and how are you maintaining your 36 years? Like, are you using AA? What techniques are you using? congratulations, that's amazing. And also, you know, how do you pull that off and never maybe have seen that it's connected

to your work? And maybe it's not and you're fine. And that's not it. I don't know. But often I always wonder sort of like, how do you keep that going without some of that maybe inside's interesting? So maybe you don't need it. And that's great.

Yeah, we don't, we get some years. We don't get a timeline as when he started, when he stopped drinking if he was, you know, I mean, we know 26 years for law enforcement in New Jersey and 36 years recovering. So he might have, he might have stopped before he was a law enforcement. Maybe it's a crossover, yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. I met somebody in Curacao who was a retired police officer in Florida.

And she had just, like, I retired and I had to be here. and now she just does scuba diving. And I'm like, have you just taken your intensity and moved it to scuba diving? She's like, absolutely. I assume she's probably really seen some stuff, I'm guessing, right? Yeah, she has. She has. And she still seems so young.

I was like, well, wow, okay. But, you know, she'd been there for a good amount of time and found just the peaceful blowness of the island. And, you know, if you can travel anywhere in the world, you're going to find a couple of Americans who are, you know, real sunburned. And now living, living on a beach somewhere just to recover from a pretty hard life. Yeah. And sometimes it's more affordable or sometimes it's just like I need a different pace

in a different world. And anyway, so it was fun talking to, we met a few of them. But yeah, this is a real sacrifice. I think sometimes like when we honor first responders in various ways, I sometimes just think, I don't know if we really get what we're saying. And it's not until you interact with them directly, and they, A, save your life or, you know, come and do the good deed and run towards the fire while we're all running away from the fire. Do we maybe really recognize the level of sacrifice emotionally and psychologically that that is, it's pretty incredible. We do a lot of word, we do a lot of word salad, I think, for these people and don't really, don't really understand it.

Like, it's easy to just say. It's like the people in the military tell me it annoys them when people. people thank them for their service. And it's because they don't, it's not that they don't want to be appreciated for the things they do and have done and will do. It's that it comes off as just sounding like a standard rote thing that nobody's put any thought into and that's just all they know how to say, which also I have some sympathy for people who are trying to articulate what they mean.

And sometimes you have a rote saying in your head that that's what you say to people. And so it's complicated, I know, but it reminds me of that. a little bit, you know. Yeah, and I, I mean, my, I was joking with someone the other day about if I was present at what I would do. And my two requirements, this, this is a really sad platform. No one would vote for me. But one is that everyone is forced to travel for three weeks before they can graduate

from high school. And it's, it's paid for. And I will, I will, that'll be my main budget priority, figure out how to do that. So that just, you can see the world's bigger and smaller. and people are great everywhere. And, you know, but they can't, it's not like Paris. I'm not sending people to Paris. I'm sending people to little towns and fun, cool places.

Yeah, you want a build perspective. While you're young. Yeah. While you're young and your brain is open and you can feel what it's like to not know a language and you can eat funny food and like just all the cool stuff that comes there. So that's what. My other one is that we start, we start honoring teachers for airplanes and they get to board first. as well.

Yeah, that'd be great. Military and teachers. And I'm telling you, it's a different kind of war that those teachers are fighting. On a daily basis. Especially if they're like middle school teachers, they should be able to fly the plane. I mean, honestly, you can sit wherever you want. That is, that's the hardest job, I think, in the world. Yeah, for sure.

Anyway. So love that he's done all that. I want to say one other thing, just about addiction. We, I know I've talked about this before, but I haven't brought up in a while, so I'm going to repeat it because we've got this genetic component and then we have the what's going on in your life component and like for example um well we have we study rats and mice to you know it's close to humans in certain things we can't obviously pull off with humans um but one of my favorite studies is the rat park study where they take these rats um and they take them isolate them

They're in just boxes with nothing to do. And then they offer them morphine water. And essentially what they'll do is just click on the button that gives them morphine water until they die. And they'll then do it if you shock them and offer them morphine water every time they take them. They'll still do it. They'll still shock themselves to get the morphine water, right? But then you take, and so you think, wow, it's just so addictive. Morphine's just so addictive because it is, right?

And then what you do is somebody, a researcher in the late 70s, early 80s, created Rat Park. And Rat Park is like fun stuff. Lots of friends. Rats are incredibly social, right? So tons of friends, sex whenever they want, beautiful views, lots of food,

everything they would ever need. And essentially what they found is these rats would come use the morphing water like on the weekends. Yeah. I remember reading about this, yeah. But never to death. and never, you know, if there's pain, they would stop, you know, like when other needs are being met, you know, so we've thought of addiction so long as this medical, from a medical

perspective, that it is a genetic disorder, it is a disease, it is, and for many people recovering, that's very valuable for them to think of it that way. So I don't want to detract from what works for different folks. But we have needed other addiction treatment models because the higher power 12 steps doesn't work for everyone. even though it works for a lot of people. It's great. Really, the big factor that helps it work so much is the social support, the honesty,

you know, the recognizing your powerless in the face of it. And so, you know, sort of keeping certain things, working with the different 12 steps that are like, you know, honoring lots of different things about your own life, rectifying what you need to. You know, there's a lot of good stuff in there. But a huge factor, in addictive behavior is isolation.

And that's a little chick in the egg. But isolation, not having your other emotional, social, mental needs met can be that way. So I always tell people like, let's look at your park, right? Before we condemn you for being a bad person, because that has been historically just what weak folks do or, you know. Yeah, that's what the original, that's a, this is so, this is so double edge because the, the old stigmas or the worst stigmas where it was just like, you're a bad person, therefore you're in drugs, or you're doing drugs or you're drinking because you're terrible

or because you grew up bad or your parents suck or, you know, all of these labels that society applied to you because we didn't know any better. And then we swing into a more medical perspective of, well, it turns out it's kind of generic or genetic and your dad and your dad's dad and everybody kind of led to this and that's why you're this. That's helpful, right? That's progress. But then maybe it's a little too tidy.

you know what I mean like you've gone so far with like well it's all medical and then we stop paying attention to what other factors might be there like this rat situation you're describing then we have to adjust a little bit and society sucks at that we're bad yeah right when holistic view of a human being is takes more effort and more brain cells for us to do when we're operating with any other person right so um if you see someone as one, like, unifaceted, they are this because this is their stance on this or that, right? I can, I can pull, pull everything away from you being a complex human being who also loves and eats and gets sick sometimes, you know, if I can move from that and see you as one thing,

you're just the worst, you're the devil, you're the whatever, then our brain doesn't have to use very many cells for that. Like, it's like, oh, reserve energy by just hating that person based on the color of their skin or their accent or where they come from or whatever, right? And because the brain is always looking for efficiencies. And that's one way it does it. And so to slow down to see a broader perspective and see a person as a whole thing, A, it's way more expensive. Think about treating a mental disorder in a test tube. It's going to cost this much money. Here's the medicine. You know, do this thing.

Treating a whole person is like, how is your sleeping situation? Who are the people you interact with in your life? What kind of food are you eating? Like, you're looking at, I'll call it just the best form of this of just like mother energy, right? Of like, you got everything you need? No. Well, let's work to get you all those things you need. That's expensive, time consuming.

You know, it's not very capitalist friendly. Let's say that. Yeah. for sure, right? Like, that doesn't, that's the antithesis of capitalism. And I don't mean, like, let's all become pinkos because we need to make that work. It's just, you have to look at these things in a nuanced way or else, what are we doing? You know, it's just not that simple. I wish it was that simple. It'd be great. It's like, oh, it would be great. Yeah, oh, I'm hooked on fentanyl. Do A, B, and C. There, Tada, you're cured. It doesn't work that way. There's so much.

more to it. So yeah. Well, that's good to know and understand a little bit better. And also, I don't know, this email in particular helped me have a just a better, it's not even that expansive of an email. He didn't really get into specifics or anything, but it really helped me see through the eyes of an EMT or a first responder more than we've gotten another feedback about this thing. So I really appreciate him doing that, you know, being willing to put himself out there a little bit. So that was great. Yeah, it's awesome. Wendy, as we hurdle through the fall, the end of fall and the beginning of winter and all the family get-togethers and the illnesses and all the other stuff that's fun about this time of year. You have any advice for us until

we see you again? Well, I mean, I don't know what's happening next week, but I'm sure not much for most Americans. I think it's fine. Everybody's fine. Yeah, next week's a real slow. I'm thinking about starting drinking, really taking up drinking heavily. over the next few days. You know, this might be the time. I'll be the rat sucking on the freaking fentanyl hose next week. Right, exactly. Yeah, we're all going to need our morphine drips.

I think I have a little advice on that, that I'm going to take myself. And it really is just like just stop watching the train wreck until you have to. Or whatever it is that is like really stressing you out. This is really common. I don't have a single call with a single client who is not having election anxiety to some form. And these are people in other countries who are like, what's going to happen over there? You know, people are nervous. And so it's a tendency, again, of our brains to want to feel like the information you're going to get will somehow allay the fear.

That's what information gathering is. That's what reading the news is. That is talking to your neighbor to find out why there's an ambulance at the other neighbors, right? You want information so you can feel more in control. And that is really normal, right? Problem is it doesn't work that way. We don't actually get any information that gives us a sense of control fully. What we do do is getting our echo chambers and only hear maybe what we want to hear.

And then that is this illusion of we're safer. I'm in control. So I would love to challenge people to try something that's really the opposite of what your brain is asking you for. And that is to give your brain what it might actually need. Think of it as like a toddler who's like, I just want candy for dinner. And you're like, how about this delicious soup and some warm bread and a Snickers bar? By the way, Snickers was named after a horse.

Okay, so anyone's wondering. Horse named Snickers. I know a bunch of candy facts that are really. It's the horse's name. You beat me to it. And so our brains want candy for dinner, and what we want to give our brains instead is the opposite of candy for dinner, something that is actually like a Halloween movie. Something soothing or something like check him with a friend and make a promise not to talk

about politics or go on a nice nature walk or just turn off your freaking phone and and have an evening where you listen to your favorite music. Just treat your brain to some nutrition that it is really going to just keep begging for more news that never makes it feel good. I know this sounds like, well, am I giving up? Like your attention's really helping. It's not. Trust me.

If you want to help go canvas somewhere, right? But you're not going to do that. So instead, give your brain a little break. Just try it. Just see if you're feeling like really ramped up one day. stop and look at what you just did to get there. And if you woke up that way, well, then you need to call your therapist, right? Because this is pretty far down the road for you.

But just know, you're not alone. And really just reading more is not going to give you any relief at all. But connecting with yourself, with nature, with people. And, you know, we'll see when it all comes down, when we can actually have real news about something. You know what I mean? I'm not saying bear your head in the sand for life, but you know, we need to sort of keep everyone a little same.

Maybe a little temporary hole in the sand. Yeah. Just a little temporary. Yeah, nice. Off of X formerly known as Twitter, off of Facebook. Yeah, just make a tiny hole. Put your head in that tiny hole for a few days. And by that, and by hole, we don't mean, have other people you love in the hole with you.

You're all in the hole together. Paint something. Pick up a little tiny hole. tiny plastic mini figure that you've been looking up for years and paint it. Yeah. Paint it. Paint it. And listen to like an old episode of something.

I mean, people have comfort shows for a reason. It represents so much more simple vibes or whatever. Like I've been telling everyone I can talk to. If you have a comfort food, go get it now. Eat it now. Take all of the crap away from I shouldn't eat this. No, if this is especially from your home,

it feels like love maybe it's your own culture's food just go get some let's all eat our comfort food and be treat ourselves gently and let's yeah see how things go yeah we'll see how things go because next week when we when we talk we'll know where we're at right well we will sort of know I have um yeah three people in DC and all three of them said please tell everyone you know that we'll know nothing for a month or two and I'm like okay well that's true it's great level set just we may know what i hope we know is something that i hope we know but if we don't know then maybe maybe that little hole you can keep it warm for another few days all right yeah keep that whole warm yeah keep your whole warm everybody that's the name keep your whole warm oh trust me someone

will make that a title and try to get us to use it uh she had with that windy it's good to have to have you always to talk to you have a great Halloween today oh is peter doing something weird that's the only other question i had always yeah i don't know he's always i don't know Thank you. Kim loved watching him. I do have to say this. Wait, what did you say? Kim loved watching him like, tear.

She was like his room's full of like electronics. He gets to tear apart and stuff like that. Terrible. She loved that about him. She thought that was so cool. He's like a little nerd. Only Kim. By the way, when we wrote up our will real quick, we had a will, but we needed to update a

couple of things where it's just like Kim is taking Pete. So, in case you're wondering, if something happens to us, you guys have to raise him. We're raising Pete. Okay, fantastic. That sounds good. I really like Pete, so it's not a bad deal. We'll take it. Yeah.

He's you, but worse. Yeah, he's me, but you but worse. That's wonderful. That's a great thing you want to hear. All right, everybody, or Wendy, as in everybody, have a fantastic week. And we'll see you next time. Bye. Thanks, Wendy.

All right. That was great. Now, Brian, we're down to the wire here. We're down to the nitty and the gritty. I assume there's a coverville today. Maybe not. It's Halloween. I don't know.

There is. And, yeah, doing something completely not Halloween. related today. Just got to take a break from it. So covers of Darrell Hall, of the band Lowe, and the band Wien, so Hall and Oates, yeah, so Daryl Hall, Low, Wean.

Tune for Coverville at noon. Nice. Wean is, yeah, was in that concert, I told you about the South Park concert. They were, the South Park concert. Big, big connection to South Park.

those guys and Spongebob Squarepants for some strange reason. Oh, weird. I didn't know about that. That's crazy. So I didn't mean to do this, but we'll have some counter programming today. I know. You're going to be coring at the same time. I figured you would be so whatever. It's the whole, we had to do it before tonight because everybody's got stuff

tonight. So we were going to do it at noon also. Today is core. And it's all the core things you expect from core. I'll enjoy seeing the three people that accidentally don't hear about this and make their way over to coverville it might be you never know it might be the other way well i'm kidding i'm kidding i have some i've some folks who come to the show come to coverville that uh that are in the otherwise in the frog pants world so there you go get your music on get your gaming on either way we got you covered that's right so those are on also film sack this weekend we did a roundtable about spy movies uh very excited to bring people that so watch for that coming this weekend and

various other shows here and there will pop up into your timeline so check that out and a new monday show went up last night on a Wednesday which makes no sense but we did it yeah it's fun yeah to check it out i like the i like the youtube on that one that's one's a fun one yeah and you get to see carter's furiosa outfit it was pretty good great i did wear a hat i wore a you know fin fin from um adventure time adventure time i wore one of those with the two little dubies sticking out the top and stuff so it's carter's hat isn't it yeah it's her she gave it too i did no no effort really yeah yeah that's how i do it on Halloween. You are dressing up when you hand out candy tonight, I hope. Oh, yeah. It'll be something, but it'll probably be a wig and another hat, probably.

Nothing crazy, Brian. Nothing crazy. That is it for us. Thank you for listening. Frogpants.com slash TMS for all the things you might need. Brian, let's do a request and end this today. Yeah. Jason S. wrote in, said, hi, spooky and boo. I'm hoping you can play a ghost song for Halloween. If you have ghosts, seems like a good choice for the day. And if you already have a request for that day, other day that you have a free spot would be great appreciate the spectacle anyway sign jason s uh yeah doubling up your ghost song for the closing show here for halloween it is the band ghost from the album infestissimo redux with a cover of the song originally by rokey ericson if you have ghosts all right

patrons we'll see you on friday everybody else we'll see on monday day day care ghosts you have everything if you have ghosts you have everything you can say anything you want

and you can do anything you want to do if you have ghosts you have everything One never does that One never does that One never does that You can call it surprise there it is

And a part of it is me One never does that In the night I am real In the night I am real The moon to the left is a part of my thoughts And a part of me is me Wherever is the wind In the night I am real

I'm going to be. I don't want my fangs too long. I don't want my facts too long. The moon to the left is a part of my thoughts, and a thought of me is me. Forever is the wind. I don't want my facts too long. If you have noose,

You have everything, if you have ghosts, you have everything. If you have ghost, you have everything. Thank you. This show is part of the FrogPant Network. Yes. Get more at frogpant.com. Bye.