The Morning Stream - TMS 2730: The Pope Supremacy

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

Turkey Straw. Are you ready to receive my limp, limp chip? The Great Vatican Pope Off. Poperection. Cutting open a bag with Occam's Razor. Bounty Bleacher Butt Boy. All of Scott's nightmares in one place. Bodily Fluid Lottery. Pirate High School Musical. Everyone Thought I Peeeeeeeeeeed. Anchorite? AnchorWRONG! Andre the Oil Checker. Doesn't have a hairy leg to stand on. Super-absorbent Teenager. Business Hair with Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We used to have a show on TV called Alf, and it played in primetime, and was about a wise, crackin, cat-eating puppet alien. Makes you glad to hear TMS is on the air these many years later. Support this endeavor at patreon.com slash TMS today. Coming up on the morning stream, turkey straw. Are you ready to receive my limp, limp, chip, chip, chip, chip. The great Vatican Pope off. Poperection.

Ooh, cutting open a bag with Occam's razor. Bounty Bleacher, Butt Boy. All of Scott's nightmares in one. one place. Bodily Fluid Lottery. Pirate High School Musical. Everyone thought I pee. Anchor right?

More like anchor wrong. Andre the Oil Checker. Doesn't have a hairy leg to stand on. Super absorbing teenager. Business Hair with Bobby. And more on this episode of The Morning Stream. I don't mean to be telling tales out of school, but there's a fella in there. I'll pay you $10 if you sing into his can.

485 Hair Plaza, Here City, Utah. M.S. D. The morning stream. Still looking there. A lot. Oh, my gosh. I'm only halfway through. I'm not really, I'm not going all the way down. Yes. I have. Good morning, everybody. Welcome to the morning stream. It is Monday, November 4th, 2024. I'm Scott Johnson. That's Brian. Hi, Brian. Hello. Hello. Welcome to a brand new week. Yeah, man. Nothing going on this week. Real quiet. Nope. Pretty mellow. Pretty mellow week. Nothing at all happening this week that will define the course of democracy forever. No, none of that. It's all just normal. Everyday bullshit here on the morning stream and nothing else going on in the world. A quiet early November. It's freezing here, Brian. I'm sick of all this cold already. I'm ready for spring.

oh my god it just it just got cold in the last like seven days scott i know i hate it it's so cold i got up this morning it was like 28 degrees i'm like that is not a week ago it was 72 or something yeah like come on man yeah come on man um no we got uh like i'm looking at the the outdoor cover cam and uh little dusting of snow on part of the lawn it's already melted and gone into the yeah the the sod and the other part of the lawn but we have I woke up to a nice little dusting of snow, but first snowfall here in Denver, in the Denver Metro, as they call it? Was it sleety, kind of wet snow? That's how ours is.

It's very wet snow, yeah. But our mountains are covered, dude. We got everything that was exposed a week ago was all green and a little orange and yellow, now just caked in snow in the entire valley in it. That looks cool. It just doesn't feel good, you know? I like, you know what? I like it because I have moved on from, you know, the Hawaiian shirt, time is over. I wore my last one a couple days ago for Cinco, or I'm Cinco to Mayo.

Dia de los Mertos, I have the one with all the skeletons having a party, the Mexican skeletons. It is like, it is the shirt I wear for those two occasions. Dia de los Mertos and Cinco de Mayo. And I wore it, and now I'm on to like the Henleys with the T-shirt underneath. I kind of like this, this weather, this time of year for the sweaters and the, ah, comfy shirt. It's all hoodies from here on out, even though that's kind of me all the time. But I also have a, oh, you can't see it really.

It's too black, but I have kind of make it out like a floating head. You look like one of the mum and shons, ask your parents. I do a little bit. I don't like it. But this is, there's a little faded. You can barely see it. Oh, there you go. It's a Zelda, Legend of Zelda emblem right there.

Oh, okay. Yep, we can kind of see it. Yep, the wingy thing. Yep. So I'm going to hold up. up my sword and go, ah, as often as I can. Perfect. Perfect. We all should in solidarity. Yeah, thank you very much. I appreciate that. So I had a funny experience over the weekend. My niece, Josie, I love my niece. She's an amazing kid. Just happy to support her no matter what she does.

And she happened to be in her school play. And this is the last year before she enters high school. So we wanted to see her in this play. And she had a relatively small part, but we didn't care. We're going. we're going to go and we're going to support her and be in the stands and root like crazy whenever she shows up and all that. So we do that. And what a night this turned out to be. So, okay, normally you go to a school play and you expect it to be in an auditorium. They have an auditorium at this junior high, but the auditorium was closed for innovations. So they had to use the gym. So that meant bleachers. Everybody had to be on bleachers on one side. And then they had the whole thing kind of out in front of the bleachers.

So one scene might be on the far left where you have a bunch of space by the basket over there. And then they would do stuff in the middle and a thing way over here. It worked fine. It was like a large stage. It was okay. What was the play, by the way? I just had a curiosity.

This is the worst part about it. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Not the worst part. It's high school musical, okay? Okay. Now, I don't know why you're doing that. Do something more traditional, but whatever.

High school musical is what they're doing. And this lady, before the thing starts, she gets up on the mic, she's the head of the department or whatever. And she says, now I want to be very clear, this is her voice, I want to be very clear about what I'm about to say. And then she would pause for effect. There will be zero filming of any kind in here today. And the reason for that is Disney does not like it when people do high school musical. So we can't have. Oh, really?

They did not get approval from... She's like, we can't have footage of this floating around the social medias, you know, like this sort of thing. Oh, my God. And I'm like... But this is a middle school, right? Yeah, it's like a junior high. Nobody gives a shit. So it's high school musical, the junior high school musical.

Yeah. Yeah. And nobody at, I promise you, nobody at Disney gives a shit that you did your little junior high play. No one... I promise you, nobody cares. They're not going to care. Yeah. So anyway, she's making this huge deal out of it.

It didn't stop like four ladies in front of me from filming anyway. So whatever. so then I'm like oh we're doing high school musical are we all right I don't even really know what the original I've never seen it yeah me neither I've seen bits of it my brother Matt and his family are in it because they were extras it was filmed here so really oh cool so even with that connection yeah even then I haven't seen it haven't seen it no yeah it never it never struck Tina or I or I or me as something that we would enjoy that we were the target audience same kind of like kind of like kind of like hocus pocus and how I watch them like this is this is horrendous and I'm sure high school musical is better it's it's you know by every description it's really really good but not but I'm not the target yeah imagine if you're in your because that would have been what late 30s for us or something yeah yeah if if we were if if they were if you were a parent in the 80s late 30s and you were told that that footloose was for you you would probably go no it's not it's for like that's what

this is it's a thing for a generation and I get it and I respect it it's fine but I I don't have any interest in it, other than I want to support my knees. So she's just playing one of these students. And here's where things get even better, all right? The place is packed is the first thing I noticed. I'm like, this is a flu-COVID freaking superstarter event is people are crammed into these things, packed, just breathing on each other. And people are coughing. It's just like, man, this is the worst time for this sort of thing.

Anyway, that was going on. I didn't think too much about it. But Kim brought a vase of flowers to give to Josie after the play. because that's what we do when we come to these. It's like a little, last time it was a wreath or something, this time we brought her a vase, a big, beautiful yellow flowers. So when she was done, we're going to run up to her

and go, congratulations, here's your flowers. And sure enough, no one else brought flowers. So we were feeling pretty good about our choice. The problem is these flowers were taller than the vase they were in. And when I put it on the little bench in front of me, you know how bleachers work? Bench, bench, bench, bench, like that. Yeah, yeah.

I'm sitting my butt here. The very next one by my feet is where I put the vase to wait. it's top-heavy because of the flowers. I didn't even touch the damn thing, and it tipped at one point and dumped the water content of the vase all over the next bench down, or at least the place where I would have my feet normally.

Where you put your feet, right, exactly. There's still a higher bench in front of that that somebody'd be sitting on. Oh, I take it back. It's their feet. So the higher bench they'd be sitting on, it's the one after that, because I'd set it on the higher one.

Oh, you set it on the seat where no one was sitting. Where nobody was there yet. Right? Because we were early because we're always early and I hate it. But anyway, we put it there. It looks like pee because the way that wood looks, it just looks like pee. Okay. So for the rest of the filing in, we had no way to clean it.

I'm like, I'm not going to take my shirt off and soak this up or whatever. So we're just going to left it. You have a lot of paper towels handy. No. So I just thought, well, what am I going to do here? So the idea was just to leave it and nobody will sit here and it's fine. And we'll have one seat. There are nobody sits.

It's fine. or they'll avoid it or whatever and for the most part when people are finding it and they are avoiding it they're like uh no go in different way or whatever and I'm just kind of going oh my gosh what have I done and finally some kid

he's probably high school age there for a sibling or something comes in he's got his mullet as if they invented it you know there's kind of swagger's in there and plops his butt down and now he does the thing that you and I don't know if you did but I did this in high school

if we were in the bleachers I wouldn't just sit on a bleacher I would sit in the foot well of the one behind me so I could like munch in and kind of relax you know what I mean yeah yeah yeah right you kind of lounge in back yeah sure so I did so he this kid does this and plops his butt oh no right into the wet right in the puddle yeah nice and at first he doesn't even notice like it's it's sort of goes for about 10 minutes sure yeah it's just not feeling it but eventually I seem kind of shifting and he's like this and he's going oh and he puts his hand down here and comes back it's all wet he ended up having to sit there the whole time and just let that soak up and by the time he got up that bench was clean as a

whistle there's nothing there to all have gone to him he had bountyed that business yeah basically he was uh wow he bountyed it i love that he was like he was like a super absorbent towel this guy wow why would you still continue to sit in it how old was this kid probably 16 15 something close to that and then all right so you don't know what it is he doesn't know that it's water No, it could have been It could have been the pee that it looked like Exactly Yeah

So I was like you know I probably should have put a little I don't know Something there to guard people from it or something But anyway and it was so packed And I can almost smell the moistness of it That's gross But it smelled mildewy there after a while

You know what I mean Like the wrong kind of coat got wet And the coats got wool or something And it just kind of anyway And teenage boys already stink Yeah they already stinks A kid had not shower. So you get them wet.

It's like a golden retriever out in the rain. Yeah. Sitting in his golden puddle it looked like. Anyway. So that's all going on and that's in my mind a lot. But also out in front of us, we have one of the weirdest sound systems I've ever heard. It was really uneven. I mean, it's junior high, but it was so hard to hear some kids and some kids were way too loud.

And they had them packaging taped to their cheeks. So it wasn't like a good kind that sat in your ear and like wrapped around. They were like, you could see. the shiny tape holding their cheeks. Like a little bit of coat hanger wire of the lovelier glued onto the end and taped to their face.

Basically, yeah. You can totally picture it, right? Just like, and it would make, when they would sing, it would crinkle and it's terrible. Anyway, also the singing's bad. I'll get to that in a minute. But there was this, they had a feedback problem with the board.

And it was a nice board. I got up and looked at it. They must have borrowed it or something, but it was a huge, nice producer board full of a million sliders and all this stuff. And every once in a while, a girl would go, Oh, I'm going to high school, something, something. And as she's talking, because her mic's getting the feedback you'd hear.

And the whole place is like feeling this up to your heart kind of sound. And it's not going, but like, just like low. And I turn to my nephew and I go, they call that the brown, the brown note. And he goes, like that and spit something out of him. And that spit, the little bit of his. drink that came out, landed on the kid in front of us again. The butt, the butt, uh, wet butt kid? The butt soaker.

And he didn't notice. It just went on his back and his hat and he just kind of kept living. So anyway, that was funny. I couldn't believe that. And then the weirdest thing, there's a girl in the ensemble out there who maybe had hives or something weird going on. She kept lifting her shirt up and scratching her belly in front of everybody. And I said to my nephew, I go, do you know who that is?

is he goes yeah i don't know why she's doing that because in my mind i'm thinking maybe she's you know maybe there's a special needs thing she doesn't know she's just lifting that shirt off half her bras hanging out she's doing oh my gosh she's like rubbing her belly and it's right in front of everybody and i'm thinking well that ain't good and then right around the time that happens guy behind me starts cracking off about 10 farts in a row and i don't mean like in succession but he's just letting these out and we're all like where's the beef jerky something someone's It's a jerk. Silent, but deadly kind of thing. Like, you knew it had to be the guy behind you, but you couldn't hear it.

It was just like, oh, that's a, that's rang. Yeah, you'd see him, he'd kind of shift, and then we'd catch wind of it. And then he'd shift, and we'd catch wind of it. It was bad, all right? Big, big giant dude. And then. So how was the play, Mr. Lincoln? So the play was really bad in that none of these kids who could really sing, and the sound was bad.

So I'll just play a little of it. Here's a just a taste. The one girl who played. played the main girl. It's basically another, it's Romeo and Juliet set in a high school. It's kind of a complicated, but this is kind of what it sounded like for my advantage point. And I recorded this on my watch, which I was told has excellent recording capability. And this is pretty good for replicating what I heard. This is what my ears would hear. Oh, good. And now looking in your eyes, I feel in my heart, the start of some breathing.

Now, what you can't hear there is the kid, the guy, the boy, terrible singer. Off-key the whole night. I was going to say, I hear her voice, but then I also hear not what I'd call harmony vocals, but a lower, like, yeah, it's really off and off-key, and it's fine. It seemed like a nice kid, whatever. It's just, you know, it's a kid's play. But then there's this part of this play that I have, since I've never seen this movie and I've never heard the music, I don't know.

what they're saying here, I need your help to help me decipher it, because what it sounds like to me is not, and my wife said, is not what they were doing. So anyway, let me play it. Okay, here we go. It sounds like they're saying F, F, F, F to the top. I was saying, bop, bop, bop, bop to the top. All right.

Okay, you're 100% right. But while I'm there, I hear that. And so here's where I add to the chaos of the night. because I hear this F, F, F, F, F, F to the top of my head, I'm hearing that. And I go, oh, like that. You were so convinced that it wasn't you mishearing it. Yeah, yeah. And everybody in there.

This is the hardcore porn scene that I've heard so much about from high school musical. Zach Efron? I just was like taking a back bite. My wife's like hitting me in the leg and my nephew is losing it. And he's got his girlfriend there. so she's like laughing and it was just a stupid night and then but but she did great and really proud of her uh you know i don't really like plays unless they're like really big professional ones school ones are always gross and just weird and and it made for good good tms talk so i'm glad i

awesome yeah good it is what it is uh brian also we got a big birthday shout out to give today yeah one of our best buddies yep gets one of these If I can find it. Happy birthday. Randy Jordan, aka Randy Deluxe, turns the big Hawaii 50-0 today. Nice. Nice. Happy birthday, Randy.

Yep, we hope it's nothing but awesome. Did I ever tell you about the time that I had a 50th birthday? I heard through the grapevine that he's taking today off. I hope that Sam has just like amazing experiences for him that this will be a birthday to remember. And we may not see him Wednesday because he's got a meeting or a doctor's appointment or something. Right. Doctor's appointment, I think, yeah. So, yeah, you have to wait until film second.

Good for him, man. 50 is a fun one. It should be one that you, even if you hate birthdays and birthday parties, you've got to make an exception for 50. So hopefully he did something fun this last weekend or is going to do something fun this weekend coming up or whatever. But, yeah, happy birthday to one of the nicest and smartest movie guys. guys we know. That's right. FilmSack.com. This is just another excuse for us to promote FilmSack. That's the way we do it. Yeah, absolutely. Yes. For real, though, Randy, we hope you have a great one and happy 5-0. A little toast. We'll both toast to Randy right here.

There you go. And I like the idea, I like the idea of Hawaii 5-0 because he loves Hawaii and would love to live there again. He does. So that's perfect for him. There you go. Brian. I'll have a great birthday as long as you follow my three simple rules. Yeah, what are the three rules for having a good, say, 50th birthday, I wonder. Brian, you went and saw a movie. I cannot wait to hear about this shit. Oh, so good. Yeah, a went and saw conclave. The most intense thriller you'll ever see in your entire life that's about the

Pope, the transition to a new Pope. Damn. I cannot believe I'm saying that. Like, you know, you watch the trailer for this thing, and they do enough in the trailer to make it look like it's going to be this high intensity thriller and um and um and i'm thinking okay well what they've done is they've just edited like dream sequences or flashbacks or whatever like oh no no all these things happen in this movie there are no dream sequences there are no like oh that was just a uh just dozing off during this whole conclave thing sure no this is it's a fascinating process like learning about

how a new pope is selected we kind of got a little bit of that when um when benedict was selected and that sort of thing but never knew the whole detail of like how all of the the people that the pope um instilled as as um whatever level they needed to be cardinals or or whatever um and then all those people show up and are kind of sequestered in a room and they're given sheets to vote on and nobody goes up and says well if i'm elected pope i want like my platform is this or this of this i mean you kind of know like oh that one's a more conservative dude or here's a more liberal dude or whoever and um uh these 108 people these 108 pope wannabes um candidates all just vote for each other and then they kind of see how

the voting went and then they adjust their votes the next time to kind of say all right well if these are the six people are getting the most votes i like this guy most out of those six because you think that first one would be 108 popes all voting for themselves because why wouldn't they? Well, that's my question. Are they allowed to do that? Can you vote for yourself?

Yeah. Oh, yeah, you can totally vote for yourself. Yeah, why wouldn't they just do that unless it's like... Yeah, because they just know it'll take forever if they do that. They want to get home back to their pope lands. But Ray Fines, oh my God.

The cast in this thing, Ray Fines, Stanley D. Tucci. John freaking Lithgow is just brilliant in this. Oh my God, he's so good in this. I thought he was, I only thought it was Tucci and the other guy.

And Ray Fines, yeah. And Isabella Rosalini. I think the only Italian, well, no, I guess Stanley Tucci is, I guess, it must be Italian, but she is like, you don't ever want her to leave the screen because she is so smoldering and and good.

Yeah. Talia says that she was on her list, yeah. Was it a laminated list, though? And who did you take her off? Right. We were on a break. But anyway,

this is absolutely going to be in contention for Oscars come nomination time. It's definitely going to be one of the nominees. It's got everything like the high intensity intrigue and somewhat grounded in history and like this is this this this locks in like this is basically they've said well we don't know the other nine this will definitely be one of them oh wow but yeah it feels like it right really really good yeah so so uh did they explain the smoke thing and how that works because i don't really they did and they even they even show obviously it's you know it's a fictional um storyline but you see how all that stuff works and how the, how the smoke, you know, what causes the smoke

and what they have and these little canisters that they take over to this machine, they push a button and the lights go, bloop, bloop, bloop, blah, and the smoke comes out. Really? Yeah. And it's said as a modern one. It is. Okay, so it's not some time period thing. No, the internet, the internet is in place for this, this, this, popatude.

this pope erection Pope way that's not right Pope surrection is what I meant now we now we have a show title it's done but you guys can all quit submitting because we we now have a show do they get into that at all like abuse allegations

or any kind of like yes they do for sure interesting and it's not but it's not based on an actual pope turnover or okay just no like what could happen all right right just you know what potentially what potentially could happen i like it yeah you could write reviews for uh who is it

oh yeah a huff post or uh cinema score or somebody who likes to constantly insert puns i think that'd be great for sure that's great i want to see it conclave check it out and that's what that's called right when they all get separated or that group is the conglades into this is the conclave this group and this process is the is the conclave and uh ray finds as the manager of the conclave conclave comptroller at this point fantastic uh all right then check it out sounds like a thumbs up from brian conclave available in theaters now i think it's limited or everywhere as far everywhere should be available everywhere i think yes nice yes i like everywhere um and i'm currently 1,811th in line uh for a casabiniu reservation

so that's 3,000 people have gotten in that's crazy exactly yeah I've I've jumped in the last 38 minutes super impressed all right we're going to bring done away in we're going to play a Monday tradition that is to say the morning half asses and as soon as he arrives we'll kick that off with gusto oh where's my thing there we go Yeah, it's time for the morning half-faces. We have Brian Dunaway, who always joins us on a Monday and a Wednesday. He's here now. Hi, Brian. Oh, hi, Scott, Brian. Hold on a second while I turn off about 12 phones who are all ringing me. Let's see.

I got an iPad going. I got an iPhone. Shut up there. I know they're calling. Discord is not very good at knowing. that one of the things got picked up, and it just keeps ringing through your little Android tablet and your little iPad and your little whatever,

all think it's still a fresh call. It's super annoying. My watch going on, got my app. Anyway, oh, oh, hi, Scott and Brian. Oh, hi. How you doing, man? Aren't you excited for a fellow film sucker Randy Jordan hitting the Big 50?

What do you think of that? Dude, that is amazing. Welcome to the other side. Now you'll start getting the AARP magazines. You won't be getting offers. You'll get offers. You don't actually officially qualify until 55. I think, but welcome to...

You can get AARP, I think, as early as 45. Yeah, I think you can... Well, that's some bullshit. You can start getting it early and get that cool free trunk divider, a foldable trunk divider that I use all the time. Yeah, right, right, right, right. The best reason for joining AARP is getting that thing. They try to get you early with those, and then they hook you.

Yeah, the idea is that then you're going to want to get all your, you know, camping accessories through them or whatever you do. I just am tired of them sitting. I don't want the magazines or the, The newsprint, like they have two different magazines they send. One of them is like your thin parade paper style, if you remember that from old newspapers and stuff. And the other one is like an actual magazine magazine. You know, I go.

Yeah, recycle please quickly. I go to. How to spot suspicious teenagers, page 18. There you go. No doubt. I go to the thrift store all the time. Surprise. And people are constantly donating those.

I'm like, no one wants these. Fill them away. The magazines? They're donating the magazines? Yeah. What are you doing? Are you not even going through? You're not even sorting anything. You're just bringing boxes of trade.

You throw them away. Yeah. It's a little weird. It's a little weird. I don't think the, yeah, who the hell wants those used? What are you doing? You know what? Next time I go to the third store, I'm going to see what kind of magazines I got.

Oh, yeah. They're great. I love getting the gaming magazines, but typically hard to come by. Yeah. But I am excited. We crossed over into November. I know this. Because last night we watched planes, trains, and automobiles.

And let's kick off the festivities. Jeez, you start. You start early, man. That's, that's a early watch. There's only like eight movies that you can watch for Thanksgiving. Right. Halloween got blowed up. Yeah, Halloween got blowed up.

So we just said, we just watched it and said, me, let's just move on to the next holiday. So we're all dressing up as turkeys this year. It's going to be great. Gobble, gobble, gobble, gobble, gobble, gobble, gobble, crime makes a gonna go around and collect uh like uh thanks or treat and they give you like a dollop of cut cranberry sauce in your bag or something yeah i need some giblets i'm here looking for some i got a rock yeah the turkey neck or whatever those bits are you just throwing gravy right

into your bag um and i'm i like this i like this idea we should make it neck is the best because it's either it's either more than one person wants it or nobody wants it it's always Oh, yeah, no. You're right. Nobody wants it or everyone. You're exactly right about that. And for some reason, it's like every other at our Thanksgiving. Somebody always wants it. It's a bunch of spiky bones in there. Like, you know, it's not like a chicken leg. There's like a thousand more bones than a turkey leg for some reason. You know, but why would you, do you have a theory as to why someone would want that neck then? Because I got people who want that. Oh, the neck. I'm sorry. You were talking about the neck. Nobody wants the neck. Who wants the neck? I know people want it. We fight over. We fight over the leg. We don't fight over the leg. We don't fight over the neck. the neck i think you can actually truth i don't know this don't try this i we're doing a podcast here not giving you cooking advice i think people uh will fry those things and just eat them i think the bones get so soft or something or maybe it's just cartilage in there i don't know do you because when you do the neck you basically have to just kind of you treat it like a crawfish where you go

and you kind of suck the oh god it's like a straw i don't know yeah um no i like the i like the giblets give me the giblets let me pan fry those mothers up and and and turd turkey straw. Nicely done. That's a perfect transition in this game, I think, turkey straw. Brian, tell us all about today's turkey straw on what people might win. Sure. Welcome to the morning.

Half-ass is a trivia game where I'm actually going to be giving you the answers. I'm going to give Scott and Brian a category and six possible answers, three of which are correct and three, like sucking on that turkey neck are incorrect and wrong. Depending on how confident they feel with the category, they can provide one, two, or three guesses. But if any of those guesses are wrong, you get zero. points for that round. Get one right gets you a point. Two right gets you three points. And three right gets you five points. Did you write all that down? Because you're going to need the player at the most points after three rounds wins the prize for their contestant. And I've pulled some contestants for members of the tadpool that aren't able to be here live. Scott,

you're playing for Clark Earhart in Muskogee, Oklahoma. Oh, I like it. He's an okey from Muskogee. Yeah, don't talk to those Texans. They don't like you for some reason. I don't know why. That's right. And Brian, you're playing for Adam Ashlock in Farmington. Hills, Michigan. Oh, Farmington. Look at us in the center of that. You know, it's the Heartland. We're fighting for a day. They're important this week. Let's go Heartland. Let's do it. All right. Let's see who

can pull forward. Let's go ahead and I'll tell you about the games you could win later. Let's get to question number one. Gosh, don't know why I pulled this one. U.S. presidential pets. Which of these are actual U.S. presidential pets?

Abraham Lincoln and his dog Fido, Warren G. G. Harding and T. Pot. Herbert Hoover and King Tutt, Lyndon B. Johnson and Lady Bird, Calvin Coolidge and Major, and George Washington, and Sweet Lips. Sweet lips. I don't know if it's right or not. I love that so much. Yeah. I think that's great. I'm probably not right, but I love it. All right, I'm picking two because I only know one for sure and the rest of these, who the hell knows. Okay. I don't know. These all seem wrong. I know. All right. I'm, uh, come here, sweet lips. here.

Sweet lips, go on sweet lips. Come kiss me on my wooden teeth. Exactly. Fake news. All right. Okay, you guys both locked in and you both locked in on

Lyndon B. Johnson's ladybird. Now, you guys know the difference between a wife and a dog and a first lady, right? Yeah, yeah. Oh, I'm thinking of it's Hank Hill's dog.

I didn't realize that actually clicked on that. I thought I clicked on the Calvin Coolidge, so I'm going with it. I'm sticking with it. Lady Bird is right. Shouldn't matter. The actual answers were, in fact, Sweet Lips. George Washington did have a dog or some pet named

Sweet Lips. I don't know what the animal was. Herbert Hoover had King Tut and Abraham Lincoln had just good old Fido. Damn it. I thought teapot sounded real. The other sounded all fake and then the Lady Bird thing is literally a King of the Hill thing and I completely mixed it up. I wonder why he named his

dog King Tut. Was it because Was it the hotness at that time? At the time, yeah, because they were just unearthing the tomb. They had a song and everything, right? Yeah, yeah. It's like everybody naming their kids, Sersi or whatever. Yeah, I don't know, man. That was real dumb, the ladybird one.

Very dumb. That's all right. That's all right. Think of that one is kind of your, you're getting your bad answers out of the way now, and we're moving on to question number two. Question number two, iron oar. Which of these are iron ores? You've got hematite, limonite, anchorite,

muscovite, bedlamite, and gothothite. Which three of those are iron or what? Iron oars, meaning non- I see what you're doing. Oh, I see what you did. Iron or not is what it is. Oh my gosh, dude. This is going to be a complete guess.

I'm doing two again because I'm not feeling three. All right. Looks like we're both locked in. Oh, you guys are both locked in. All right, let's get to it here. You both, you both settled on Anchorite. You both chose Anchorite. Was it right?

And then one of you chose Goethite and the other one chose Bedlamite. Nope, an anchorite is a religious wreck. Shit! And Bedlamite is a crazy person or an insane person. And a Muscovite is a resident of Moscow. You know, your actual answers were hematite, which I thought hematite was the gimmie. Lamanite and... So wait, what's hematite?

Why would that be the gimmie? What's that from? Should I know that? Well, I mean, it's when you think of... I think it's even in no man's sky as the new mind to get iron. It is. Oh, shit. Well, they make up about a lot of it's in that game, but you're right.

Hematite is absolutely in there. You're totally right. Damn it. Should have had that. Yep. That's all right. That's all right. Okay. Think of that one as you're like getting that one out of the way before the real answers come in the final question here. Can I think of it as just me being wrong? Could be. Or do I have to keep it? You could think of that. You think of that. You think of whatever you want, man. Whatever you want. Do you think of it? Let's go to geography. This, I have faith in you guys. You got this one. Geography question. Places in the same time zone. So Chicago is in a time zone. Three of these things are in the same time zone. Some of Georgia, all of Iowa. Some.

of Florida, all of South Dakota, all of Ontario, and all of Manitoba. Three of those are in the same time zone as Chicago. Some of Georgia? Yeah, that's what I'm trying to think. I've crossed over Georgia so many

times. I'm trying to think when the time zone took place. Yeah, that one, for some reasons, ringing a dingy for me. A dingy. A ringy dingy. It's ringing a dingy. I'm in a... I mean, I probably should still stick with two because...

Yeah, thank you. All right, I think that one's directly... Well, I'm not going to say that. I'll give it away. I think that... You think your guest is going to give it away? I'm going to... I don't know. I'm just picking two. I don't know. Okay. All right, you both locked in.

I don't like how you said, okay. That's because I was in the process of getting a tiebreaker. You guys both settled on all of Ontario, and then, Brian, you chose some of Georgia, Scott, you chose all of Iowa. All of Iowa is correct. Total guess. And that's the only one that you guys got to the two of you. Damn it. Not Ontario?

Some of Florida. Yeah, some of Florida is in the Central Times Zone. And all of Manitoba is in the same time zone of Chicago. But, yeah, none of Georgia is in Central. Wow. I guess that makes sense. Yeah, I can see that. There's a little tip down there at the very bottom.

Right, right in the taint. Yeah. Right in the taint. Right in the taint. The taint of Georgia. No offense, Georgia. You have a taint. Yeah.

Let's see. Oh, here's a good question for you guys. All right. Tie breaker question. Okay. This is a fun one. At least I hope it is. Breaking the tie of zeros.

I love it. All right. That's right. Exactly. Who wants a point, basically, is what this is. All right. This is a wrestling question. because you guys both watched wrestling as kids.

A little bit, yeah. And maybe you even saw this fight. In Pounds, how much did Andre the Giant weigh when he fought Hulk Hogan in WrestleMania 3? Oh, okay. One of you is going to give me an answer. The other one is going to go higher or lower. Brian, you're going to give me the answer, and Scott is going to go higher or lower. That works.

Okay. Andre the giant was pushing 385 Okay 385 is incorrect Scott is the actual answer higher or lower than 385 Pretty good number done away

Because that really does feel Like it's medium Or median somehow I'm gonna say higher I just, I don't know why. You hear these stories. You see him sitting there. It's just so big.

He's a giant. I'm going to say higher. He's literally in his name. He is a giant. Yeah. The actual answer is, yeah, 520 pounds. How! Wow.

Dude was huge. He was also a bit of a prankster. He would fart on his opponents and move his friend's cars at night. Do you think Hulk Hogan, like, put his foot behind him? Like, when they were doing the scales, he's all, like, laying on the, on the waist He's a bit of a cheating bastard

Maybe he would Yeah You know what else? I always heard The story that he would Check people's oil Quote unquote Where he would stick his

Oh my god Really like during a fight During a fight If somebody really didn't like He'd stick his finger Up their hooter And he would be like Yeah

I got you in bum That's amazing How big that big that movie Oh Yeah he was a big boy Well that means I win After an abysmal Performance overall

Holy shit that was bad Yeah. That means you win, and that also means that Clark Earhart in Muskogee, Oklahoma is going to get these prizes. You're going to get a copy of Jack Move and McPixel 3. These are ones that we couldn't give away last week. So congratulations going out to Clark for that one. But don't worry, Adam in Farmington Hills. You're going to get a really cool investigation game where you navigate through scenes of three movies and try and figure out what happened to Marissa Marcelle, the main actress of the movies. That game is called Immortality, and by all accounts, it's really, really cool. Big thanks to Yana for sending that one. And big thanks to Nighttime Visions for sending the other one.

All good picks this week for games. So you all win, despite our terrible knowledge of any of the topics. I'm the only loser. Yeah, we're losers. You are a bit of a loser today, but don't worry. I'm sure you'll come back with a big win later. Dunaway, here's the good news. When are we doing play retro?

I don't even know. We're doing it this. We're back to normal this week. Oh, back to normal this week. Yeah, we can talk about it. No, no, no. 1.30's great because I couldn't remember if you had another thing this weekend or not. No, nope.

The marching band season is over, so Fridays have returned. Nice. At 3.30 Eastern time, 1.30 Scott's Mountain-ish time. And we're doing the Goldenax. Yeah, Goldenax, baby. Cool. Yeah, Brian, did you have a pick for who you would choose? You picked the lady, the little dwarf, the big muscle man when you put on it.

You're asking me or the other Brian? Sorry, I picked the, I was always barbarian. Or fighter or whatever. That guy's great. He's the guy I like to. He's the guy I don't like dwarves. I don't like dwarfs. I always played axe guy, but yeah, I like dwarf guy.

He's the toughest. Yeah, Graham Ellis in the chat says, always pick the lady. Oh, yeah, the lady's pretty bad ass. She was the magic user, right? She was the, yeah, she was kind of Opie, if we're all honest about it. She was a little overpower. As long as you're punting the little, what are the, Gop, what are the little things in there?

They're not also... Nipples, earlobes. No, you got to kick the guy, so they dropped the magic potion. Oh, oh. Oh, oh. The little guys run around. Yeah, yeah, the little... Yes, thank you. That's, there you go. Have you been put... So, the, the, um, the O.G. Arcade one is my favorite of all these. But we'll talk about, we'll talk about consoles and stuff, too.

Um, yeah. And they got a new one coming and we're really hopeful about it. Uh, so... Oh, they got a cartoon coming. Yeah, and a cartoon. They got all kinds of shit coming. Freaking Sega's on a, they're having a moment. I don't know what's going on over there. They have the highest rated Sonic game out right now that they've ever, no one, nothing's ever had higher reviews. And it's that Sonic Shadow Generations thing that just landed.

And, uh, it's killing it. Like overwhelmingly positive on Steam, all the other stores, huge reviews. I don't know what's going on, but I might have to get this new Sonic game. Anyway, I'm on it. Done away, I would like you to kiss our butts. And, uh, we'll see you later. Okay. he's gone Brian

yeah he's gone only temporarily I mean he'll be back Wednesday yeah yeah well it'll be fine all right you guys we're going to do a quick bit of news and here we go right here the news is brought to you by tadpuller keith conrad has a sci-fi short story podcast called auditory anthology

and it's worth your time get it at auditory anthology dot com. That sounds. Great. It does sound great. I like that. I like the sound of that. I like the cut of that jib. Yeah. And if y'all are like, hey, how do you guys find these people to mention? Here's what you do. Go to our Discord. We have a whole thing that says, promote yourself. And it'll let you just say, hey, I'm streaming this, or I'm drawing this, or I did this for whoever, or whatever your thing is. I'm always scouring that, looking for some new faces, and I'd love to showcase it. So that's what we did here with Keith. So get in there.

Promote yourself. Why don't John? Yeah, get in there, man. I'm also, 158 from being able to make a Casabino reservation. It's going to happen here in the next couple minutes. Oh, man, I can almost feel the soapapia going through you. But I'll be able to talk about this cadaver business. I'm in. I'm still talking. I'm still talking about it. It's very exciting. Funeral home apologizes after body falls out of the hearse

onto a busy road. You probably should apologize for that. It seems like a thing you... Definitely weren't. Definitely warrants an apology. Yeah, for sure. I feel like that's fair. Funeral home had to apologize after a corpse it was transporting, fell out of the hearse and into traffic. The Hades Funeral Service. I'm sorry. Can we stop there for just a moment?

Hades? You really have a funeral service called the Hades Funeral Service. Wow. Sure, sure. They're in Poland. Maybe they... Here's a guy. Death is practically his middle name. I guess so. It's really weird. Anyway, in Poland came under fire... Sticks would have been better.

Yeah, sticks would have been... That's even better. Came under fire when a driver was surprised by a white sheet fluttering onto his car window. only to push it away to see a body lying in the road. Oh, my lord. The driver initially believed he hit somebody's, who was crumpled in the middle of the crosswalk.

There was a photo that was circulated. He just hit somebody. He was already dead. Yeah, a guy was already dead. Anyway, let's see. It is with deep regret, they say, that we inform you that as a result of an unexpected technical failure of an electric tailgate lock in the hearse

during the transport of a body of the deceased, an unfortunate event occurred, which does not reflect the high standards of our company. Our deep empathy towards the families and the deceased and the respect we always show to our deceased says Haiti's funeral service, as they wrote it in a statement on their website. No other information, including the identity of the seatent, deceitent, has been released. Decedent. Decedent. Decedent. Deceitant. Decedent. Deteent. Here's another story. Another thing on the ground. This is two stories about things on the ground. One's a body. This one's a $20 bill. All right. Oh, I ran over that with my car.

Yeah, it was my 20. A man who found $20 on the ground used it to buy $1 million lottery ticket. Oh, my Lord. Oh, wow. So whoever dropped that is a dummy. North Carolina resident hit the jackpot twice. First, when he found a $20 bill on the outside of the convenience store that he found it at, and a second time when he spent the money to buy a $25 winning scratch-off lottery ticket worth $1 million.

He apparently applied his own $5 to the remaining. amount that he needed. The man, Jerry Hicks, of Banner Elk, North Carolina, told the state education lottery that he used the 20 bucks you found to buy the thing. It's what they call the extreme cash scratch-off card. Extreme cash. That's how you know you're going to win. It's not just cash.

It's cash that is like to smell like Mountain Dew Cote. Yeah, dude, you know it is. Oh, I love it. And there's lots of more Xs in there, probably two more Xs than usual. Love it. They spell cash with five X's. Yeah, welcome to the 90s, baby. Hicks says he plans on using the wins to retire after working for 56 years as a carpenter as well as go help his children.

He also has more immediate plans telling the lottery, quote, We are going to head straight to Golden Corral and eat everything they got, unquote. I'm sure that'll go fine. That's fine. Yeah. That doesn't sound good. That money will come in handy for a triple bypass. So that's good.

That's very good. Yep. I haven't been to a golden corral in a while. I will admit I do occasionally, like every, let's call it every five years. I like a hometown buffet, but not very often. Like, you can't do that all the time. No, no, for sure. And buffets are, buffets are, I don't know, I've fallen out of favor with buffets.

I might still go to one in Vegas. Like you, you know, you say, Brian, you want to go to the Bacchanal buffet or the Wicked Spoon? I won't say no, because those are great. Yeah, those, those, whoops, you cut out. Sorry, I was talking over you all that. Oh, but even, but even like a Ruby Tuesdays, I don't even know if those are still around, but any, yeah, I'm not, I'm not, uh, me neither. I'm not into like a, um, country buffet. Heck, no, that is like, gross.

Too much carbs. People are sneezing on stuff. No thanks. I'm good. Horrendous. Kids run up, put their hands in the beans, run away. You don't want that. Right, right.

He's taken lump sum of 600 grand. rather than receiving the prize as an annuity of 50 grand over 20 years after state and federal tax withholdings, this take home will be 429 grand and 7 cents. I think that's the right way to go. I think you do that these days. I think it really depends on your age. If you're under 35, I think you do the annuity. And I think if you do, if you're over that age, you just take the lump sum.

I agree. Yeah. If you've been a carpenter for 56 years and you're going to go to golden corral and eat like a maniac take the cash your time your your hourglass is uh is sands are fallen yeah the hourglass for you man just take the money uh anyway this is the highest amount available to win in the extreme cash game according to north carolina education lottery the odds of winning are one in two million seventeen thousand six hundred and fifty guy did all right good all right all right we're going to take a break when we come back bobby'll be here

with some science before we do that we must play music oh you guys are lucky to be here today to listen to this one um this is uh saliva uh hard rock veterans man these guys are are amazing and and you've already know saliva probably the band um they got a brand new single uh that they just released called time bomb features uh patent parish um this is the first single off their brand which comes out in early 2025 called Revelation Retold. Here is saliva and time bomb. Here I stand with the weight of the world on my chest. Still I fight with the struggle, my mind never rest.

They see a mask, but never the pain I invest. With every line, every rhyme, every time I confess, they say, shoes for the money, but nothing is free. And every moment in time is a chance. to achieve. I'll rise no matter the shit you believe. I'm not dying for you. I'm just living for me.

You lit my fuse. I'm counting three, two, one. Yeah. I'm going off like a time bomb. I got my wall paint on and I'm ready, death card. I set the pace you chase and now I'm all gone. I'm counting three, two, one. I'm going off like a time bomb

I'm going off like a time bomb How to lose, how to fall, just to open my eyes How to break these shades just so come alive When they bruise and abuse keep my eye on the prize So the scars I wear give me a reason to fight, you know You wanna say it to my face now But you never keep the truth in tired You wanna taste a little pain gal

You want to say it to my face, come on, come on Yeah I'm going off like a time bomb I've got my wall paint on And I'm ready to death gone I set the base you're chasing now I'm not gone I'm counting three to one I'm going off like a time bomb

I will now back down I'll go round and round My general has got me behind It doesn't matter what you say Because now I'm gonna detonate You got me counting 3-2-1 Yeah I'm going off like a time bomb

I've got my war paint on and my running death card I set up to pace you chase And now I'm all gone And now you've got to be counting I'm going off like a time bomb Yeah, yeah, yeah Going off like a time bomb Yeah yeah yeah

Going off like a time bomb Hi, I'm Rainbow I'm a clown I came today to share a story From a while ago Midget and broom and whatnot And we've returned. Tell me about saliva again.

Sure. That's saliva featuring Peyton Parrish and a brand new single coming out from their upcoming album called Revelation Retold. Comes out early 2025, but you're hearing this one now. The song is called Time Bomb. That was Salazar. How many bands have the name of a bodily fluid, do you think, if you had to think of them all? Do you count, like, blood sweat and tears?

Yeah, obviously you count blood sweat and tears. Yeah, I count that. They get all three. They do. They're like the bodily fluid lottery. I mean, nobody's called. Tennessee, if you believe, if you believe the urban legend about their name. Oh, yeah, that one.

Yeah. And Pearl Jam, for that matter. Oh, yeah, right. Limp biscuit. Well, that's not so much about the fluids, is it? That's true. It is about what the fluids do to a biscuit. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, geez. Is that true? I didn't know that was the thing there. Yeah. Yeah, that was a game where you pass around a cookie. Oh, what? All right.

I'm not going to go any, I'm not going to describe that thing any further because it is foul. Rolling, rolling, rolling, baby. All for the nooky. Let's get Bobby in here and let's get some science going on. Science. Real science, you know, not the crap we usually throw around on this show. No, no. Like actual scientific knowledge.

And we do it with a little thing like this. Science. Bob is hungry and the soup looks good. It sure does. And Bob is here right now looking hungry and ready to share some science with us. He's got his hair up. trouble oh boy you know you know we're going to get a talking to yeah his hair up yeah serious business like business sucks yeah what's going on with that Bobby

what's going on um I just uh haven't washed my hair recently so it's up nice would you ever do dreads has I ever been on the bingo card no no no oh god no no no no no not interested no I mean those things stink I've been you know what holds those dreads together you know what they use I mean it's horrible it's like like a lint biscuit of your own making, really. But no, I knew a guy with dreads in high school, and it looked cool from about 30 feet. And then when you got within about 10 feet range of that guy,

you thought a corpse floated up from the river. It was so bad, the smell of his hair. My sister did it for a while. I am not, my disgust should not be interpreted as disgust for people with dreads. My disgust is imagining, like, I can't stand what my head feels like when it's been a week since I washed my hair. I can't imagine. But that's what you're doing.

You have a long hair. You don't wash it every day or else you're going to have a frizz nightmare, right? It's going to be all dry and crusty. It's a little complicated, and it depends on the texture of your hair, what your, how thick your hair is. Whether it's curly or not, my hair is really thick and rich. And it tends to be curly. And so you don't, especially curly hair, you don't wash it as often. Yeah.

Well, that's a good advice. Adam Duritz is calling. He's really whiny about. being disappointed in what we're saying about about trends. You guys, we got not cool. That's the accounting crows guy?

Yeah. Just for those a homeover. Just for those a homeowner. I'm going to tell Mr. Jones on you. That's right. I should have just let you show not tell. Sorry, sing not tell. Sing not tell.

Well, Bobby, it's time for us to absolve ourselves from our ignorance to bathe in the light that is your knowledge when it comes to scientific topics. Teach us. Oh, oh, ponytailed one. Yeah. We'd love to hear what you have to say today. What are we doing?

I have two things that I was going to share, and both about AI, and so you get to pick. I've got good news and bad news. Scott's favorite two letters. There's a lot of AI I like. Give me the good news. There's a lot of stuff in AI that I'm all for. There's a few things I'm not, but let's hear what you got for the bad. The good news first. The good news is good news for you, maybe not as good news for me, because according to a recent paper, AI summaries of scientific papers make it easier for people to understand than human written summaries. Oh, shit. Thereby calling into question science communicators. Whether or not we are going to soon be replaced by AI as well.

So the idea, so let me, to summarize, what that sounds like to me is that these. These LLMs are doing a better job at taking, let's say, a topic, I don't know, the way the sun, how long it takes for sun's raised to reach us or whatever. They're doing a better job of explaining that to me, either layperson or somebody in college or whatever, studying such things, than you can as an expert in the field. That's what you're saying. Sure. Yes. But specifically, they were looking at science. papers, not just generally scientific topics.

So what they did was they used chat GPT4 to take the significant statements of scientific papers and make summaries of them. Significant statements are just sections of a scientific paper that not only describe what happened, but also why it might be important. So it's a section in a lot of scientific papers. So what they did was they got AI summaries to be made. And the design of the experiment was participants were asked to read these significant statements. And then were asked questions about the science, ask how well they understood it.

And then they were also asked how much they trusted the information that they were reading as another extra measure. And some things that they found that the AI summaries were. doing were the AI. So some of these summaries were written by people and some of these summaries were written by AI. That's important to know. And the AIs were asked to do it in

simple language that would be easy for the public to understand, right? And so also these science communicators were trying to do the same thing. They found that the AI summaries use simpler language. The AI summaries were easier to read

You can use objective measures to determine how easy something is to read. I'm not super familiar with how those measures work, but there are objective measures. Yeah, it's interesting because you get, like one of the things I use for SEO is a tool that reads your post, your blog post, and says, this is fifth grade level or 10th grade, like, and tells you whether or not. So it's able to kind of determine the size of the words you're using, complexity. of what you're communicating and can to determine that? Exactly. So there are, the point being, and that's a great example, Brian,

there are objective measures, ways to measure whether or not how simple something, how easy something is to read. So the AI summaries were easier to read and also the AI summaries used more common words than the

science communicators that were writing these things. Things like one of the examples that they gave in terms of common words would be instead of using the they would use the word job instead of occupation for example um and so what they found was after they did this experiment and had people do all these things um and by the way the maybe this goes without saying but it it shouldn't necessarily be not said that uh that that um when the people were reading it sometimes they were reading stuff by the AI and sometimes they were reading stuff by humans and the participants

didn't know who wrote what. They were just asked to answer these questions about it. And they found that participants rated scientists as more trustworthy and credible after reading AI summaries of their papers. Oh, my. And they also found that they understood the science better and could answer questions about the science better after the AI summaries of the papers. Now, I'm not saying this is a bad thing. But doesn't the truncation of all things in life, that seems like we're making,

I must have it fast and short and in a form I can read quickly and understand. You know what I mean? If you haven't upgraded to the newest update to Sequoia on your computer, once you do, you'll actually start noticing you're getting those for your emails and stuff. So instead of it saying, having the first couple lines of the email, it'll actually summarize what's in that email in the little in the little thing I guess you use use Gmail you don't use Apple's meal program I've been using it since they made the change and you're right they do a lot of truncation on notifications and all this other stuff too but it's still I still have this question like I that's convenient from a workflow standpoint good that's a good use of this technology yeah I think it is and I'm not saying the other isn't I'm saying like why is it is an esoteric question

but if humanity wants to shorten everything and make it all easier I don't know if that's good it always if we do we want Cliff's notes for everything yeah for everything do I want my movie like it's little things like Netflix runs at 2.5 speed for those who are too busy to pay attention or you know what I don't think this is I don't think this is about what people want I think it's about the what what it is you know like it's it doesn't it's agnostic to what these people wanted. It's just they were presented with the information and did

nobody was asked, did you like reading it better? They were just asked did you understand it better? Yeah, so it's basically AITLDR. Right. And it's um, and it's just the fact is that the, when the AIs wrote it, their summaries were easier for lay people to understand

than science communicators. And people are saying it in the chat and this was going to be my, why is this important sort of like like cap on it um so people are already picking up on this i think this is actually a good thing i said it's bad news for me but i was being a little facetious i think what this tells us this is like feedback right this is saying look this is this is a good example of what we as science communicators need to know what is it that these a i are doing how are they doing it differently use this information use this uh to to to influence form how you communicate things. One of the concrete examples I can give is when me and my co-host

mora on our show, we're thinking about how to explain something. A lot of times we go back and forth between, well, okay, we can use really, really simple language, but sometimes that language is imprecise and how important is precision in the way we communicate this versus how important is it that people just don't get lost and just or don't turn their brains off, right? Like, you know, we have to keep people interested and we have to. And being interested is important to understanding as well because if you're not interested, you're just not going to, it's not going to penetrate, right? And the people who are vested and who are very interested will read the original document that's being paraphrased. They won't, they won't just settle for the, or it might even be

the gateway to saying, oh, that sounds really cool. Let me find out more. more about that. Let me read the original document that got paraphrased. Yeah, that's funny because that's a lot like your email example. Like, I want to see these summaries so that I know what I'm in for later when I go and do the whole thing, right? Just delete it or read the rest of it. That's exactly right, Brian. I think that's a really good point that sometimes you need to think about, sometimes it's hard to remember that there's another person. There are people that might be different from you or even the same as you on the other side of this, right? I it's easy for me to think that because I'm the one making the podcast that I'm the one who goes out and reads these things and says I want to know more and I want to communicate it to the other people and I'm the only one who does this right so and so I need to disseminate this information based on like everything that I learned by digging deeper I need to but no maybe you just need to pass on the information and the other the people who didn't know anything about this will be in

now informed and in some way and that benefits them and then the people like you said brian who are very curious about this will will seek out more information we'll go find more yeah yeah so i think it's a really interesting um very simple experiment but a really interesting one that sort of sheds some light on how do you not just science though like how do you how do you communicate any information to people who who you feel need to be informed about something Right. Have you done much of this in terms of like, I don't know, like gone in there, used in LLM to like shrink down concepts or any of that sort of stuff? Like what have you had personal experience with that? Yeah. So sometimes I will get inspiration from like chat GPT if I'm having trouble explaining something in a certain way or this happens a lot when I'm like talking about physics or. or like astronomy or something like that I want to explain something

and I'm very aware of the fact that I have there are certain topics that I have a pet interest in and so I take for granted certain things that I know and so when you do that sometimes you skip over some basic things and you can lose people so sometimes I'll check myself and say okay go into chat GPT and say hey

at about a middle school level or eighth or ninth grade level explain you know how black holes work and I'll look at that and I'll say oh that's a really interesting way that they chose to frame that or oh I didn't really think about that or they didn't even mention this at all and I think it still works

maybe I can take that out you know it's sort of like comparing it gives another sort of way to do it I will also occasionally if I'm short on time I will read an article there's a couple of steps I go through whenever I'm

preparing a science news bit or or even a feature that I do, I do a couple of read-throughs of something. So I'll read it first, just read it all the way through and don't do anything that gives me an overall broad sense

of what the article is, right? Yeah. Then I'll go back through and take some notes about the main points. Then I'll go back through a third time and fill in some details, right? Well, sometimes if I'm short on time, I will, that second step, I will go and I'll read it through one time,

then I'll feed it into chat GPT and say, hey, give me some bullet points of the main points of this. And then I'll go back. I'll only have to go back a second time to, A, confirm that everything's correct because it gets things wrong sometimes. Right. And B, fill in the details from there. You know, it just, it can help make your process a little bit more efficient that way.

That's how I've used it before. Interesting. Well, I'm, it's a curious thing just because we're going down the road regardless. So it makes sense to keep up on it, figure out what's working, what isn't? Now, that was the good news. Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot. We started this thing.

Can you paraphrase the bad news into like a couple sentences? Yeah, can you give us a shortened version of the bad news? That's how we like our bad news, nice and trunk. Yeah, so basically new research has been done on AI. This is going to sound like old research, but I'll explain why it's new. New research shows that AI used for reviewing resumes shows bias in race. race and sex. Oh, God.

Oh, no. I already know that they do this thing where they look for, like, certain keywords. Like, you really have to game the system now when you're submitting your resume to a company because you may not even, your resume, may not even get looked at by a real person these days. Yeah. It'll get featured out by one of these, one of these bots before it even gets to. And so now to even know that, oh, great, there's even a, you know, there's some stuff that you may not want to put your sex or your, well it's not even that it's even it's it's worse than that in a way and so we so we've

what I'm about to describe is like I said people are going to be like I thought we already knew that but what we knew already was that human beings were doing this which is it's been known for a while that that that that that there's a bias in resume reviews against black and or female sounding names and so when when those pop up they tend to not get hired as often. We've known that for some time now when it comes to people in HR departments reviewing resumes. They might not even make it through the first round of just selecting resumes, right? So what they did now is they ran a bunch of resumes. They found just a ton on online in different like job searching sites. And they ran a bunch of them through a commonly used AI resume evaluation. evaluation service and they ran the they ran a whole bunch of resumes through with the names and then a whole bunch through with the names taken out and then um and then they asked it to rank the resumes against different job descriptions because the valuation thing will will rank them and say this these people are is you know to give them a number zero through a hundred and say how how well suited to a certain job description they are right and they found that um white sounding name were preferred 85.1% of the time

and black names were preferred 8.6% of the time only. So that's real bad. You know what that tells me? This is what it tells me. I know you have some more numbers. Let me just tell you this real quick before I forget. This tells me that because these LLMs and really all current models in AI are trained

on data, imagery, film, whatever, that we make that we've done, including LLMs that are just basically dealing in the text world, right? They're just training on tons of data that we create. It should not be surprising to us

that our biases carry over, even our unknown biases, our subconscious biases, carry over into the freaking AI because they train the shit on us. That's not like the AI's going, humans and their proclivity toward whites. Well, we'll fix that right now.

They don't think that way. yeah no exactly so and we think that we we as human beings think that the decisions that we have made already are rational ones right especially if the decisions that we make turn out like good you know so it's likely a lot of these programs these AI resume evaluation programs are based on resumes that have been reviewed and which ones made it into jobs and which ones didn't and then which ones were successful in their jobs and which ones weren't. And so all of that data is fed into to help train these programs. But like you said, Scott, those were all decisions that were made by already biased human beings.

Right, right. Yeah. That's interesting, though, right? Like to learn this stuff now, the other beef I have with AI is that people will take these, whether they're being genuine or not, they're going to take some of this stuff and they're going to aim it toward whatever their ends are. So you see this already happened with, you know, everybody was worried that AI photography, like fake photos were going to be the big challenge or the big, you know, thing to watch out for. And there's truth in that. But for me, that never bothered me. I'm very least of my worries because they're going to be ways to detect it. If smart people are around, we're going to figure out what's fake and what isn't fake. My bigger worry is when people would take real stuff and give false positives and say, well, that's AI. right because it serves whatever narrative they have so if it's like somebody getting beat up by cops oh that was a i created or whatever like that's my bigger worry and the same thing exists here with

lLMs and the more boring on paper tech stuff it's like well no this just proves that uh even the robots think that the whites are superior you know what i'm saying like if they think this just proves what i've been saying for years those are the things i worry about like the screw ups and the airs and it's fine those things you know work out it's There was an example this other day. Somebody was doing early voting, and they were all fired up because their candidate wasn't listed first. And you had to go way down the list to find them. And the reason for that is it's alphabetical.

Always has been. It's never not been. It may vary state by state how they list them, but that state, it's always been. But it didn't stop them from going online and having a complete meltdown. And then thousands of other people going, I can't believe this. Stop the voting. All this sort of thing. We're so, we have such a.

tendency to do this, that I worry about these, whenever there's an error in AI, everybody's going to grab it from a different angle and pull it their direction. I'm not even worried about the AI. I'm worried about the dipshits around it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Anyway, rant over. Rant complete. Well, it's an important point. It's, we as humans, we have what's, there's, there's actually a new a new cognitive bias that was described

you don't say discovered it's because it already existed right it was described um that uh I can't remember what they named it but the idea was that um that we assume that we have all the information when we don't have

um enough like we when we're given information about a topic and we make a decision we tend to assume that we have all or at least enough information to make a decision. It's not something we actively think about. It's just, that's what the assumption that we make. And that's a big part of critical thinking as a, as a, as a discipline, you know, is to always ask, do I have all the information?

And what else, what else is out there that I am not aware of that could help me shed light on, on what, what this topic is and to make a decision about it? And that's just a really important, like, need your reaction to have about everything. It's, that's not cynicism. That's not, it's just, do I have all the information? Before I make a decision, let me make sure I have all the information, you know? Yeah. And know that, I think that's as, I mean, that's just critical thinking. And I think that's good.

Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah. So the other couple numbers about this job evaluation or this resume evaluation stuff that they tested, so I said that black names were prefer. 8.6% of the time, white names 85.1% of the time. That's huge. Male names were preferred 51.9% of the time and female names were preferred 11.1% of the time.

And so, and it's even worse, when you cross those things together, they found that black male names were preferred 0% of the time. Oh, man. Wow. Yeah. Well, I mean, look, I'm not saying that we suck, but I'm just going to say, I think we might suck.

I think we suck. Yeah. Tell us humanity sucks without telling us humanity sucks. Yeah, it's kind of hard not to, man. That's really lame. I mean, is it because so black sounding names is also a big bag of chips. Like, what's that even mean? It kind of really is.

Yeah. Like Tyrone. There is an, I think, an objective, they try to use objective measures for this, but, but I think there is an objective measure based on a list that exists for more academic or. purposes you know um and so i'm not sure how that list is made or how they came up with their list but that's how they described them anyway interesting um but uh and this is just it's um it's a it's a particular model that they use surely there are there are more than there are multiple models for AI that would evaluate these sorts of things um it's not this isn't necessarily every one that exists but it was it's a it was a common one i can't remember the name of what it was

And it's based on the Mistall 7B LLM that is trained to do this resume evaluation. So apparently it's a commonly used one. And they also found that these numbers were consistent across all job descriptions, that it wasn't just like they were just looking at. Yeah, interesting. Yeah. So something that needs to be fixed. Something needs to be fixed, addressed, and actioned against. Yeah.

I guess, you know, if nothing else, it's a bad, you know, it's a bad news story that potentially could just expose a, hey, here's something that we need to work on. If the LMs are pulling this information, that means we still have a problem and we need to do something about it. Right. If you, exactly. If you want to think of that the silver lining about this, it's that now we know, or at least now we have, it's not that we didn't know before many people have been talking about this for a while um for for a long while um but now we're it's every time you have a study like this that comes out and looks at it concretely you have more hard factual evidence to say look nope it's exactly what we've

been saying exactly what we've been warning against this is what's happening chat room is uh and it can be fixed chat room's asking for a link i have found one to this study it's it's Orr's Technica's reposting of it, but it's essentially the same stuff. So you can find links to the actual study and all of that. Go look that up and check on it. People are in the chat. It's like, is this a study? Where is it?

That's where it is. Bobby, this kind of stuff is what oozes from you weekly on all around science. And people are encouraged to take little cups and scoop up the ewes and keep it for themselves. You know? Our ooze does not make Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, though. No. That is not the secret of your oz. No.

No. But you are like a wise rat man. Right? Yeah. That is you. Yeah. Well, anyway, that's where the people will check that out. They also, look, if you want really great World Warcraft commentary, I got a great

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So check it out, frogpans.com slash instance. Both great podcasts, and you can get them wherever you get them. Bobby, is there anything else you'd like to mention? No, just go check out all around science. That's all I've got. That's all you've got. It's got more than that in our hearts, Bobby. Have a great one.

We'll see you next time. All right. Excellent. is right. Brian, we are at the tail end of things here. And a couple of quick things to go through before we get out of here. Cool. One, a message from Ryan and Boston who says, it's about keeping your pumpkins longer. And if Randy, you're still listening, this is for you. There's a birthday advice for you. Yep. It says, hey, TMS, Randy's Jack and Lantern will last far longer if submerged in the bathtub of part bleach and water overnight. Enjoy, says Ryan. That's interesting. So here's the

question I have. Yeah. I mean, I guess, no, I guess it makes sense. You would, once you've carved it you put it in there in the bleach and water because it won't do anything to the outside once before you carve it or it won't help the inside before it gets carved because it can't get in there but the right I assume what it does is I don't know this but it seems like it would sort of the idea would be preserving the inside a little longer yeah I don't know how bleach does that though it's weird kind of cauterizing bleach kind of closing the the porous outsides of those cut areas to make it so that or Maybe the bleach.

Oh, yeah, that's what it is. It probably just stops bacteria, right? Like, halts it. It kills it on contact, Scott. But you can't do full bleach or else you'd bleach your pumpkin. It would be a white pumpkin, shoulder brown. Which is kind of cool. I'm just saying.

Anyway, thanks, Ryan. 8014710462 is where he sent that text. And a couple other notes here. The Monday show will be later today. We have a returning guest today, and it's going to get weird. That's all I'm going to tease you with. You're going to want to be there live. Really? Yep.

4 p.m. Mountain Time. returning guests going to get weird that's a three that's a trifecta of interest right there well it's funny is uh all the episodes i've listened to the monday show i don't think i've ever heard the guest uh any guest so yeah there's one in particular brand new weird yeah uh so anyway check that out today 4 pm mountain time and uh it'll be great i'm looking forward to it uh also i'm on jury show today at 1130 and i don't know if that's live i'm not sure how he does it now with that particular podcast. I think it might be live. I don't know. But 1130 here in about an hour, I will be on with jury and the whole reason I'm there. You'd think, oh, it's because the election. No, we're going to

talk about everything but politics today. Nice. All of it, but. How will you guys resist? That's the question. I mean, I'll be impressed if you do it. And I love the fact that the plan is to not do it. but man, I don't know, I don't know how it doesn't accidentally seep in to things. I know. You're not wrong to be wary or concern. Concern, wary, all of those words, like, for real, like I get it. But when he asked me on, this was the entire point. He said, hey, I want to have you on, but our goal is to not talk about it.

So, all right, I'm going to give it a shot. Also, a couple new prints available on the Frog Pants Store. Just wanted people to be aware of them. I drew a real weird one called Candlebeast. It's just this buffed dude with a candle on his head. Oh, sure is. Yeah. And, uh, take candle.

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it's weird and who's hanging that on their wall. But, you know, some of you might. I'm just saying, some of you fitness buff guys who like a good candle, I don't know. Sure, sure. I don't tell you, I'll buy one and hang it up at the orange theory. Yeah. Because the wax is orange, so they'll love that there. They'll be, they'll say, oh, thank you for providing this brand.

Yeah. So go grab them while they're hot. They're cheap. They're free shipping and all that stuff. Frogpants. Shop or Frogpants.com. Either one will get you there. all right that's it for today's show let's get out of here you got a little song we can play here

at the end i've been putting together the video that i made of the assembly process for the open kade so i want to get that on uh youtube as well so keep an eye out for that if you're not already subscribed to me on youtube it's coverville obviously and um you'll get notified when i post that one i'm very excited about this my workbench finally clear from all that stuff yeah and this will be you've been filming the entire start to finish right or bits of in pieces. Yes. Yep, the entire start to finish. So the only thing, obviously the code stuff, the

programming of the games and loading of games I don't have on there, because there's some other better places to watch that process. So, but you'll see the whole assembly and my fat little fingers trying to hold down a raspberry pie while I screw in little tiny M2 screws and

all that. So, uh, nice. Yeah. Yeah. Check it out. Yeah. All right. All right, let's get to the song. Let's close out with a tune in our hearts. Zach Pointer says Konichiwa, Sushi and Bento.

I know you won't be able to do my song on my birthday, which is the 9th this coming Saturday. But sometime close would be dope. I decided to Google what song was the chart topper on my birthday 45 years ago. Holy shit. I'm sorry. This just requires a little of this.

Whoops, that's not it. Happy birthday. There you go. Nice. By the way, do need some requests. If you've got a birthday coming up, an anniversary, something you want to celebrate, then make sure you go to frogpants.com slash TMS and follow the link there to make a request and get your request in. November is a little bit light in the first, well, actually, in both halves, first and second half. So get some requests in people.

Nice. All right. I decided to Google what song was the chart topper on his birthday 45 years ago, and it was My Sharona by the neck. If you could find a cool cover of the song, it would be nice of you. y'all made my day last year with my request Let's see Guess Scott will give me an old lady Happy birthday sure did

But additional to that Is it possible to get a funny Sesame Street or Muppets clip Oh Keep Up the great podcast feels like I have friends riding with me in the car with me When I'm walking my dogs Or with me doing dishes

Oh that's awesome Let's see Muppets Yeah Here we go Let's try this one Man that was weird No that's a Muppet talking How about this one

Look out Muppets Look out. Muppets. That's the best I got. I got nothing else. Okay. Look out. Muppets. Yeah. It works. Yeah. I like it. All right. So, I have a lot of versions of My Shirona that are very much like the original with the do. No, no, no, right? But I've got one version that kind of sticks out as being a very different version. This is by an Oompa-Umpa band group called the Haimata Damish from a 20-21 album called Let There Be Brass.

Here's their cover of the next, My Shiron. Oh, my little pretty one, my little pretty want, my pretty one, when you gotta give me some time, sure, oh, you make my motor up, my motor up, oh, you make my motor up, you got to come. Coming up to Aye, Sharona Never gonna stop Give it up A stitch a dirty model He's got it up

From the touch of Hang on the child Aye Aye Haia Haia Ma Maia Shurona

Now, I'm a little goose from hut And will you hunt Those and not a look in my Aye, Sharona Keepin at a messery You can't sing me Proudly about a land a spot

Ty and Sharona Never gonna stop I give it up Such a dirty motto Always got it up I'm from the touch oh Hey, you're gonna come Bye

Woo My Mama My Shirona My Maiae My Maiae Sharona My Maia Sharona Well, and you got to get to me.

When you've got a gift to me, because give to me, Is it just a matter of time, Sharona? Is it worth the destiny, the destiny, or is it just a game in my mind, Sharon? Never gonna stop, getting up, such a dirty mile, always got it up, from the touch old thing I've got, my, my, my, my, wow, woo! My, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, My Mar-Masurona

My-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-sherona My-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-sherona My-sherona. So, and so on the I'm going to be able to be. Ah! Ah! I feel like

I'm a little bit of a and a bit of it, ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And, I'm. Oh, and I'm gonnae. I think of it. And so much,

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...and... ...a... ... ...and... I'm going to be able to be. I'm going to be. I'm going to be. You know what I'm going to be able to be a lot of it.

Oh, my Sharona. Oh, my Sharona. their ears caught in the audio cookie jar. It's okay. You can have another, and another after that, at frogpants.com. It came from somewhere, lady.