The Morning Stream - TMS 2735: Sir, That's A Duck
Episode Date: November 12, 2024Flamboyant Barista. Ancient Make-out Grounds. Isn't there a Duck called Penguin something. GoFundMe a Louisiana purchase. Hackberry Hill. Exorcising Horny Demons. TMSing Lovitz. Sexy Plexing. Bear Asp...rin. Kicking Scott's Ass In A Dark Alleyway. Top. Shelf. Andy Dick Fight. Beer in the morning, Beer at night! Beans, Beans, Beans, Beans, Beans, Beans. Short and Truncated with Dan and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Coming up on the morning stream, flamboyant barista.
Ancient make-out grounds.
Isn't there a doc called Penguin something?
Go fund me a Louisiana purchase.
Hackberry Hill.
Exercising horny demons.
TMSing love it's sexy plexing
Bear aspirin
Kicking Scott's ass in a dark alleyway
Top shelf
Andy Dick Fight
Beer in the morning
Beer at night
Beans beans beans beans beans beans beans
Beans beans beans beans
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Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to the TMS show. That's the morning stream. It's Tuesday, November 12th, 2024. I'm Scott Johnson, and that's
Brian Abbott. Hi, Brian.
Have it all.
Oh, acting.
Acting.
Acting.
I got to season four of the Simpsons.
And when it's on the background, I kind of just passively record.
So that if any gems pop out and I'm like, man, they had John Lovitz on a lot.
He was Marge's high school girlfriend.
Then he was this playwright guy.
He was eventually the critic guy.
That's, I think, another season away.
He made a little, yeah, it made a cameo appearance as the critic.
Yeah.
And something else he was the other day.
But he was all over the cast, almost as much as Phil Hartman or more in the early days.
Yeah, yeah.
It's crazy.
I didn't notice that the first time or the first dozen times through the show.
But suddenly I'm noticing.
So whatever.
I'm really enjoying.
I'm telling you, man, season three, season four of that show, unbelievably.
It's so good.
Because season one and two, eh.
Yeah.
It's a little rough.
They were figuring things out.
They were like, ooh, drawing these people is kind of,
weird can we come up with some more like cleaner looks for the for all the characters that aren't
so i don't know almond yeah yeah and then you know homer finally kind of finds his final voice
um who's another one that changed a lot oh chief wiggum sounds different like they they just
hadn't quite nailed it like any of these things they all do this yeah i always have a rough season
or two but man by the time they get to three and four and you start to see like Conan o'brien's name
in the credits and all that.
It's just like top shelf business.
It's so funny.
It really is.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Monica says,
I miss John Lovitz.
Don't worry.
Still alive.
He's still alive.
He's still around.
Yeah, he does a lot of podcasting and, uh,
and I think he was even in something recently.
Wasn't he in, um,
did I just see him in, uh, only murders in the building or what I'd just see?
I could have sworn I just saw him in something.
That feels like he'd be in that, doesn't it?
It totally does.
It is absolutely his.
his jam, his people.
Let's see, John Lovitz.
He was on the episode of Magnum P.I. last year.
Oh, human resource. No, not human resources. I don't watch that.
Let's see.
Tonight show. Let's see. Space Forest.
I did see that. So that's probably where I saw him.
Base in the Christmas Miracle. Love the Rock. Tales from the, yeah.
AP Bio. Oh, AP Bio. Oh, my God. That show is so good.
Yeah, that was a shame.
Was so good.
It's a shame that went away.
Um, yeah, he's, he's, uh, an interesting dude. He's apparently, um, kind of nutty now. Like he's, you know, in, like if you know him, according to some podcasts I heard, he's just a little nuts. But every time he shows up, every time I hear that voice. Yeah. A little piece of me gets excited, you know? Like when you say nuts like he's, I don't mean like, like, like he's a pervert or anything. I mean like, um, just really eccentric and maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe he's.
hard to be around or something which i would expect yeah yeah you love that he he and uh andy dick
have a uh a feud or did anyway everybody in andy dick fight don't they yeah yeah freaking
andy dick that guy seems like his last name is correct uh totally uh but like it's i saw or i saw
um or what i one of the most my favorite things i see him on is whenever i've seen and it's
been a while, but when I watch a rewatch
of
three amigos, he plays like
the studio head, like the movie studio.
And it's the perfect love it's job.
He's got a big cigar and he's going,
listen, we don't have time for this, see?
Like, it's that whole, like, thing he does
with that voice. Yes, that 1920s,
uh, yeah, announcer voice.
Freaking love it. I just, um,
the other thing he was really good at is just the
sad sack. Like, that was a big thing with him
and, um, Tom Hanks
on SNL, they're, you know,
they'd be the two guys sitting on the side
as a beautiful woman walks by and they go,
here she comes,
and there she goes,
completely unaware that
we exist.
Yeah.
But I did just see him on Friends
as a date
that Joey sets up with
Phoebe, and
he's basically that same
sad, sad kind of character.
Like, you'd think that because I have
no looks and no personality,
that I'm rich. Well, you'd be wrong. I love it. I love it. That's why I love it is in his last
name because we love it. Yes, because we love it. That's right. So I got a, I got a fun story
to tell you here, dude. Okay. So last night, Kim and I, just in the late afternoon, we're like,
you know, let's get out of here for a minute and just go sit like at a coffee shop, get a Danish
hangout, talk, whatever, just one of those nights. And I wanted to do it before, because we knew
snow was coming today. So we're just like, let's go over and do that.
so we do that we go to this place called beans and brews which is a popular local chain i don't know
if they've expanded out of here yet but i'm pretty sure it started here haven't made it to colorado yet
but uh like the name i'm assuming coffee in the morning beer at night uh oh good question i don't know
maybe i don't know about the beer that's a good question i've only ever gone there like as a midday
thing or whatever but they may actually have stuff on tap i never thought about it but you're
with bruise i mean it could obviously be brews like uh brewing coffee
But I thought, oh, maybe, you know, beer in the morning brew, or beer, coffee in the morning, beer at night.
Beer in the morning, beer the rest of the day.
Beer all the time.
Yeah, it's more of a like a.
Just coffee, it looks like.
Okay.
Okay.
So they're just, I've just never been there that late.
But anyway, beans and brews is, they call it, everyone just says beans.
You want to mean beans?
That's how they say it.
Yeah.
And they're, I would say they're primarily an alternative to like all the Starbucks everywhere.
because they don't burn their stuff and I don't know they're just better they're better if you're in Utah and you're like man we got to get a quick coffee go to the go to the beans and brews across the street from the from the freaking Starbucks because it's just better anyway so we're over there and uh this really nice guy at the counter and he comes out and he sees Kim's purse Kim has this purse that's shaped like a bird it's like a strap around your shoulder kind of purse so it's like a oh is it the one that Bjork had at the uh
Academy Awards back when she was up for dancer in the dark.
Hold on. Let's look that up.
No, it definitely isn't because that was a big old goose that dropped an egg as she walked down.
Oh, okay. Well, you know what? Shape-wise, though, may be similar. It's like it almost had like a...
So the neck, the neck of the bird is part of the strap?
Yeah, so the strap bend, it bends up and then the head turns into the strap, and then at the bottom is kind of the fat end of the bird or the feet are.
Gotcha. Okay.
And it's supposed to be, well, this is part of the story.
So he goes, yeah, guy goes, oh my gosh, I love your purse.
This is his voice.
I'm not making any implications here.
This is literally what he sounded like.
That is what his voice was.
He goes, I love your purse like that.
And she goes, oh, thank you.
It's so nice.
And I so, and I pipe up like the big dodo idiot on the other side of this thing.
I go, yeah, that penguin thing's pretty cool, right?
And the guy goes, sir, that's a duck like that in that voice.
And sure enough, he's right.
It's a black duck with a little orange bill and a little orange feet.
And it's clearly a duck.
But to me, I just thought penguin.
My wife's had it for six months.
I've just never thought of it as anything other than a penguin.
But it took this guy.
Walked like a duck.
Must be a penguin.
So this guy at a coffee shop is like correcting me on what version.
of bird my wife's purse is based on and he did it in a way this is the funniest part about that
yeah you could say that in a hundred different ways and most of them are kind of offensive
most of them are kind of condescending but he didn't sound that way at all he was just like sir
that's a duck and I don't ever get called sir and so all I could do is laugh and we had a great
time and he was so nice and when he was done he's like your coffee's ready and your tea and
He was like just the most cool, like over the top.
I don't know if the word's flamboyant.
Flamboyant.
Is that the word now?
Still?
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't think, uh,
it's not offensive.
I don't think flamboyant is, uh, no, I wouldn't think so.
Okay.
The only thing I wasn't sure about is he's wearing this t-shirt that maybe you would have
known who the band was, but he had this crazy looking t-shirt that said,
always rebel something, something.
And then there was an image of something.
It wasn't like sex pistols or some kind of punk band.
Right.
It wasn't, but the band name wasn't necessarily.
wasn't necessarily on there. It was a picture of the band and then something always
Yeah. And I assume on the back there's probably more like concert stuff or something.
Could be a tour tour listing. Yeah. So I didn't see all that. But he was just so and then he was
by the end we're leaving. We were there for probably an hour just talking. And then we'd leave and
I go, thanks. And he goes, oh, you're so welcome. Come back anytime. And oh, and every time he was
done talking, he put his hands together and do this. He go, thanks. Oh, that's awesome.
Yeah. He was stoked. Yeah. So anyway, don't confuse your penguins with your ducks, I guess, is what you don't know. Boy, good thing it wasn't a cheetah purse.
Oh my gosh, dude. See, that's the first thing I thought up, too. I'm sure it was. Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, I almost wanted Kim to look at me the way you did the day I said that and just go, Scott, he's a cheetah. That's a duck. That's a duck. Scott with the duck.
because it needs to be said in that tone right that like yeah but i wasn't i hope you know i don't
think i was even being condescending no not at all not at all no you were being very you were very
matter of fact it was like yeah it's like uh yeah you need to like honestly you need to
reset everybody right then and go it's a cheetah cheetah cheetah
otherwise what are you going to say to me like you did it the right way that went down in TMS history
for a reason it is classic I think it might be our best best moment stupidest thing I ever said
so far so far all right uh we also got a text from Jeff uh this is no no particular Jeff
just Jeff just Jeff Sire but just Jeff just Jeff just a Jeff of some kind he wrote in says for
TMS yesterday you and Brian discussed delving into his
history as a means to cope with what went down this week.
He was talking about my reading of history to help me deal with the, you know, just deal
with the stress of the election.
And I still been doing that a bunch, by the way.
Last night I learned about, I actually learned, I'm sure I was told something, some form
of this in school, but I didn't really know much about the Louisiana purchase and how
all that worked.
That was massive.
Like what that turned out to be and it was cheap.
Like at the end of the day, even allowing for massive amounts of inflation, you know,
from the 1700s, early 1800s, we got a deal.
We could go fund me a Louisiana purchase today.
Yeah.
That's a little bit what it feels like.
It feels like, you know what it feels like?
It's an attainable amount.
Like, you know, raise that amount for Alzheimer's or something.
Yeah, it's like you're in the market for a house and the grandma up the street says,
oh, I'm going to die soon and I don't need this place.
you can just have it for, let's see, $1,000.
They would be like that in a market where everything else is $400,000, $600,000.
It feels like that kind of deal, and it's crazy how we got it, how it all went down.
It was nuts.
And if we hadn't done it or if it hadn't been on the table at all, massive difference
as to the trajectory of who we even are.
Totally.
Couldn't be different, right?
So that was fascinating.
Anyway, back to his text.
you're talking about reading that stuff as a means to cope with went down this week.
I wanted to chime in in that I am currently listening to the Hamilton musical soundtrack on repeat.
It is helping remind me what the real pain for this country was and maybe some hope that we can get there again.
Oh, you know what?
Zoom that in a little bit.
There we go.
I couldn't see that.
Up your prescription.
Yeah, no, that's a good way.
I actually have new glasses coming today.
Oh, you do?
Oh, good.
my right eye has deviated some
quarter of a
point or whatever the hell
I don't know how they do guys, whatever it is.
I don't, we don't, yeah.
I can't talk. Half the time I'm like,
nope, I think I need to wear
two pairs simultaneously.
The thing is, I can have them not on
and it's fine, but the reason I wear
them now is because I can sit back a little more
and I can see you
and stuff we do on this screen
with these,
but if I don't wear them, I have to do this.
And that takes me away from the microphone.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you don't want to do that.
So eyes are dumb, and thanks a lot, eyeballs.
Anyway.
Point is, Jeff, that's a great way to do it.
That soundtrack's amazing.
I'm going to listen to that this week.
We've got a smaller subject for soundography this week in Nirvana.
So far fewer albums than freaking
Mr. Bungle and Faith No More dude,
Mike Patton, who creates, the dude creates
new bands like we create podcasts.
Oh my gosh. I didn't know that. Is he known for just?
There's so many Mike Patton bands, like different projects
that he put together that he started up.
Yeah.
Did you guys have to listen to all of it?
That's the idea, right?
Yeah, that's the idea. Yeah. Faith No More.
Mr. Bungle.
He worked with John Zorn a lot.
Then he started doing his own solo stuff, but then also started bands like Phantamus and Tomahawk and hemophiliac and peeping Tom.
Wow.
These are all new bands that he started.
Wow.
Yeah.
Feels like he never quite matched the original success.
No, Faith No More was, you know, for me, my favorite of everything that he ever did.
Yeah, that's kind of peak.
And he even joined them late.
like he wasn't their original vocalist like he he came in uh came in late no i didn't know that that's
crazy um real quick here so when he's talking about the um uh the bed sorry the the
hamilton soundtrack uh famously uh you know created directed written all the music by uh what's his name
lyn malwell lin manuel miranda that guy uh i was really hoping that he was also coming back to the moana
two movie to do music and he's not
somebody else and that bums me out. Oh, that does, that bums me out too. Yeah. I think that
soundtrack's like a banger and they didn't, they didn't bring him back and I don't know why.
I don't know what happened. All right. I'm going to ask you something. I recommendaled it a year ago,
at least, maybe even two years ago. Did you watch Tick, tick boom?
Uh, tick, boom. Yes, I did. I loved it. The one where he's the, he's the music guy and he's,
uh, he died, died from cancer or some shit. Basically the character of, uh, the guy who did rent.
That's right.
Larson, Stephen Larson.
It was fantastic.
Connathan Larson.
That movie was great.
That's so good.
Yeah, I meant to report back on that.
I love that movie.
It was really good.
And freaking Andrew Garfield, you know, we got introduced to him really with Spider-Man and
then that, not hamburger hill, Hackberry Hill.
Oh, Hacksaw Ridge.
Hack-Saw Ridge.
Hackberry Hill.
I like that.
Hackberry Hill is a make-out point here in Arvada where I took, like,
all my prom dates. That's amazing.
Really?
Was it known as, it was known as the place to go?
And now it's a church.
This church is built on a make-out ancient burial ground.
Exactly.
Had the best view of Arvada, like all of Arvada laid out in front of you at Hackberry Hill.
Perfect place to make out.
Totally, totally.
They had to consecrate that place.
They had to come exercise some horny demons.
Exactly, yeah.
Smudge it.
Yeah, I get that.
No, that movie was really, really good.
It was so, so good.
Yeah, it was so rich.
It was awesome.
Anyway, you know, we got introduced with those two things.
I had no idea the dude was such a great singer.
And then he belts out these vocals that are just incredible.
And it's like, I want, you know, I want another movie.
I want a Spider-Man musical.
Let's remake Turn Off the Dark as a movie and star Andrew Garfield is Spider-Man.
I'm down.
Let's do it.
We already, we already know he can, we know he can do the Peter Parker part.
And now we know he can sing.
Right.
We have all the tools.
He's already got those two parts.
So yeah, I'm in.
It's just a matter of making turn off the dark into something that's, that's apparently
watchable because from all, from all reviews, it was not.
No.
That's what I've heard as well.
Yeah.
Tick, boom, though, don't sleep on that if you haven't seen it yet.
It's on Netflix.
It'll be there forever.
Netflix.
Yeah.
So, freaking good.
It's an original, so it should stay there.
Oh, we'll stay there for it.
Yeah, really good.
Don't let that mean you'll wait.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Don't do, don't do like I do.
I do that all the time.
And it turns out, that's not always true.
Like, Max took out a bunch of shit that was supposed to be there in perpetuity.
Yeah.
And I'm like, well, wait a minute.
My whole theory was-
You can't watch HBO original series vinyl on there anymore.
I know.
It's so dumb.
What are those two, three people going to do that want to see vinyl?
And don't get me wrong.
I'm with Brian.
Vinyl was rad.
It's so good.
But nobody knew of it.
The favorite thing that Bobby Canevali ever did.
Yeah.
And he's done some amazing stuff.
But nothing compares to his character on vinyl and the depth, depravity, but also the high points, the low points.
He's like the Tony Soprano of the music world on the show.
Yeah, he's great, dude.
I didn't know it was co-created by Mick Jagger that show.
Vinyl was?
Oh, wow.
I didn't know that either.
Rick Cohen, Mick Jagger, and Martin Scorsesey, all co-producers.
that's a bummer
turns out that guy's pretty good
yeah he's all right right
oh and speaking of character actors
those great character actors in that thing
Ray Romano was amazing in it
yes oh my god the most
un everybody hates that guy
remember his character name on vinyl
but but he is not the everybody loves
Raymond Ray Romano that you're used to
no it's nobody likes Raymond in this one
yeah yeah you guys that's 10 episodes
you should seek out unfortunately it's hard to find
but you might have to find a complex
way of watching. Yeah, there's probably
Plexible, plexy ways, I
would say. I've got something
I'm going to be recommendling tomorrow, and my
God, big thanks to
believe
it was, let's see, I thought it was
friendly sleet. Yes, friendly
sleet 66 in the Tadpool
recommended to me what I'm
going to be recommendaling tomorrow.
Ooh, freaking amazing. But
we've been watching
the new Kate Blanchett
series on Apple TV Plus.
disclaimer.
And
I've heard mixed things.
We've got two sides left.
You've heard mixed things?
Yeah. Yeah.
For the first time in a long time on Apple TV Plus, I'm hearing mixed.
Yes.
Yeah.
And my big issue with it is
there is a big plot point,
a through line for the whole thing,
that hinges on
how somebody knows that
something went on
where two people
were around for it and one of them's dead.
and the other one's not talking.
Ooh.
And how did this other person know anything about what was going on there?
I get it.
And so that,
if you've only got two episodes left,
are you concerned that,
um,
that I'm not going to get an answer to that.
That's my big worry.
Yeah.
Or wait until a whole new season to get it.
Maybe.
Maybe that's a limited series.
This thing is not,
um,
oh,
we are not getting any more of the show.
It is,
it is,
it's a self-contained story.
And I'm God, I'm hoping, with two episodes, I'm hoping they wrap it up.
But let me tell you who's amazing in it.
Freaking Kevin Klein.
Really?
Absolutely incredible.
Kate Blanchett, no surprise that she's always good, yeah.
That she's awesome.
Oh, Free Rangers says, disclaimer was good.
And he says, finish the season, Brian.
Oh, okay, cool.
All right, good, good.
Then I'm putting my fears.
I'm allaying my fears.
I didn't know Mr. Fishoder was in this thing.
Kevin Klein's a favorite of them.
And he is compelling as hell in this thing.
All right.
You've sold me.
Maybe I don't care about all the mixed talk I've been hearing.
I think maybe some of what I heard was that they had a bunch of mystery things that took forever to resolve.
Maybe that was the problem people had.
And that's what you're saying.
There's things hanging in and tell the very...
77% tomato meter, 60% popcorn meter.
It's good.
It's pretty good.
Better than, you know, negatives.
Yeah, but, okay, all right, good.
I'm looking forward.
I'm not going to read or see, look at anything else about it
because I want these last two episodes to wrap it up with no spoilers.
I need to get on Silo, I guess, started its new season yesterday last night.
Oh, did it really?
So that's one I'll watch week to week.
Like, I have to.
I love that show so much.
Oh, my gosh.
so I'll be watching that tonight
that might be I can't recommend something
it's only an episode in plus I did it last year
yeah
I already did season one anyway
so I don't know what to do tomorrow
you watched something didn't you like
I thought you mentioned something in our
use the thing that you switched
you switched
Godfather of Harlem for
terror or something
oh the tear you're right
I could do the tear
you're right I forgot I forgot I pushed that
I can totally do that now that I've seen
the full season of that first
season. Yeah. Good call.
Cool. Hey, tomorrow, uh, the terror.
The terror is happening tomorrow.
And my thing that, uh, that I was amazed that I didn't accidentally spoil.
Yeah. You haven't talked about it at all. I'm impressed. Nice, nice job. Oh my God.
So good. And this is this, the thing I recommend tomorrow, I, I'm going to tell people just enough to
get them interested, but, but do not look up anything. Do not research anything. Go in as blind as I was.
and just have your mind blown.
Oh, I like blown minds.
Yeah, your mind will be blown.
Let it wash over you, man.
Let it wash over you.
Exactly.
Let it wash over you.
All right, we're going to call Dan early
because, again, today's a little short and truncated,
and it's Dan's week.
So we want to have Dan on, all right?
And he agreed to it.
He said, yeah, I can come in early.
And we said, great.
And I have kind of a hard question for him
to start things off before we get into the board games.
So let's see how all this goes.
and see if I can find his little intro here.
It's somewhere.
Here it is right here.
Here's a tangent for him.
Be careful.
May cause drowsiness.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the program, Dan, Dan, the Tabletop Man.
Greetings programs.
Hey, how are you?
How are you doing?
How's, I don't know, what's November like in North Carolina?
It's probably very nice, right?
So today, it's starting to cool off, thankfully.
I mean, I always say, you know, North Carolina is a way.
weird state because it's often pretty warm. But I want my winter's cold and my summer's hot as
how. But I want to have, you know, you want to have seasons. We don't really usually have,
you have like all four seasons in one day a lot of times here in North Carolina. So
tomorrow it's going to be cold. Yesterday it was like 75. Today it's in the low 60s and tomorrow
it'll be like in the 50s. And then before you know it'll be 70 like on Sunday, it's just nuts
aren't. This is why people get sick all the time just from taking everything for granted and just
not even knowing what the hell they're going to wear all the time. Yeah, I get it. I get it. I get
And also, but also I would trade you for today because today it's very cold and snowing here.
And I would, I think what you've described sounds nice.
I would live there.
You know, it's weird because I think if I had to snow as much as I used to in New York or maybe as much as you guys do, I wouldn't love it as much.
I love snow.
But I always like, because I want to get three good snows here in North Carolina because, but generally in like two days they're gone.
Yeah.
It's just life as usual.
Like it doesn't cripple.
Well, I mean, it does cripple us a little bit because nobody's really ready for it down here.
Right, right.
I mean, what they do is they end up salting the roads and everybody closes schools when it's even like a possibility of snow.
And then when it doesn't come, then it just kind of like ruins them for the next time when it actually does snow.
Yeah, Kim's home state of Mississippi literally will shut down if there's even a hint of sleet.
It's like, nope, we're not.
We can't handle it.
Cancel everything.
We're all done.
And I'm up here with like four feet driving to work.
It's like what's going on.
Yeah.
Well, in all honesty, too.
So four feet of snow, and it's going to sound weird, but you guys will know exactly what I mean.
Four feet of snow is actually easier to drive than what we get, which is like an inch of ice on the roads.
Like just pure ice because we're in that in between.
Like it's not cold enough completely to snow, but it's not warm enough just to be water.
If you got some snow, at least you'd have some traction on the ice because the snow acts, you know, gives you a little bit of traction.
Yeah, it's like that black ice we were talking about last week.
That's just what you get by default over there.
Well, I hope that doesn't happen to you this year.
But also, I got a question for you.
This is a hard one, Dan.
Now, as people know,
Dan is both a insane board game, tabletop gaming aficionado.
All right.
He's Lord of those things.
It's got a whole room dedicated to it.
I don't know why he's not divorced.
Lord of the Lord is what we say.
Yeah.
Your wife is way dedicated, by the way.
I think she's awesome because, you know.
She's a saint, absolute safe.
Just letting you live that life.
It's amazing.
Anyway, but he's also a professional in the medical world.
It's a pharmacist.
and knows a lot about, you know, drug companies and drug stuff in the world
and what stuff does and all that.
So I got a question for you.
Nearly 25 years, too.
Yeah, yeah.
That's a hell of, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a career, man.
That's what you got right there.
So here's the question.
And this is not, I want to preface this by letting everybody know, this is, I'm not asking
a political question.
This is purely a functional question.
If, if it were to be that some can.
campaign promises by the new administration, which we'll be taking over in January, a bunch of stage and speech stuff said things like, we're going to shudder the FDA, or we're going to gut it, or we're going to fire everybody and hire new people, or whatever, all these sorts of things. And it got me to thinking, given the, you know, sort of the seismic nature of those kinds of statements in terms of that size of a regulatory, you know, part of the country, what would that mean? From
your perspective is somebody who's in that world, you know, like you, you're waiting for approvals and
then approvals happen and then stuff gets pulled from that, you know, you have to be aware of
that stuff all the time, one would assume, uh, in your job. So if that were to happen, let's just
say there's a scenario, some apocalyptic scenario where somebody yanks the entire agency
offline and it doesn't exist anymore. It's wild west on, on, you know, what's safety, what is
and all that stuff. What does that mean in, in the pharmaceutical world or does that, is it, is
is it overblown? Like, I'm just curious
your take on that whole idea. Well, so there's
a couple of takes here. So,
uh, and again, I will
restate what Scott said. In no way
is this, uh, I'm, I'm not a lawyer.
I'm not a politician and I'm not trying to get political. I'm just
trying to make sense of everything I've seen out there and make
sense of the question. And if you don't mind, Scott,
I'll steer the question a little bit different too as well. But first when you
said, what does that mean of the FDA? Well, I don't know if
that crazy, you know, you know, from what it looked like, uh,
future former and future President Trump said,
I'm just going to let RFK go nuts on the FDA.
And then I've seen a lot of things saying about abolishing this.
I don't think that's entirely what he's going to try to do.
And I've tried to do some research into what was said and then what has said since then.
But anyway, if you abolished FDA, then you got like no drugs or people throwing drugs on a market.
Like it's just mass chaos, people dying.
Maybe people living.
You know, it's hard to say because you don't know, like people living because maybe
maybe a drug that will work for somebody,
but it's going to end up killing like 10 other people
because those people shouldn't be honest.
Like, it's just the whole thing is just,
it's insane to even think about.
And I don't even think anybody,
like any one person president or not has the power to do
something crazy like that.
I think this is like akin to,
you remember when we were in like junior high?
And I'm like, listen,
vote for me for a class president
because I'm going to put a free soda machine in the cafeteria.
And then everyone's like, yeah, go down.
And everyone else was like, there's no way in hell you're going to get that done.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah, because the practicality of some of those statements aren't always going to be.
Like when the rubber meets the road in January, you're like, oh, wait.
Bad news, everybody.
He couldn't figure out a way to afford it.
Yeah.
I think RFK thinks that that's what he's going to be able to do.
But from what I've heard, like, President Trump has been like, well, I'm not really going to let him do all that.
I'm going to let him do a couple of things.
I'm going to see how he does.
He did put the preface on it.
The last I saw was he, I'm going to give him two years to try and figure out, you know,
he's trying to put an end to chronic disease in children.
Now, how he plans to do to, I don't know, but some of the things that he did say are some of the things,
some of the hallmarks that I heard 25 years ago when we were in school.
And what basic pharmacy, what we learned about with pharmacy is evidence-based medicine.
You'll hear that a lot from really good healthcare providers.
Now, there's some bad health care providers out there that just want to scare you into drugs.
We've got to be like, you're going to die, you've got to do that.
No, evidence-based medicine is what the health care system and medicine has been built on for years and years and years.
That's why drugs have to be tested for 10, 20 years, you know, and things like, you know, have to be tested so we know they work.
Now, a few of the things that he said, you know, a few of the things, I'm just going to go into a few of the claims that I read.
So I apologize.
If I read wrong, guys, just just call me out on it.
He wants to put a quote unquote end to corruption in the FDA.
Now, there's been no proof that.
there's corruption, but I think if we read between lines, I can tell you what I think he means.
And I've seen this for, again, 25 years. This is nothing new in a pharma world. I'm going more
pharma rather than just FDA as a whole. Now, farmer, everybody knows Farmer Bro. You guys remember
Farmer Bro? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So what he did was he took a drug that's only used for like
one disease state and he bought up all the ingredients and then he charged a gazillion dollars for
it. And he got called out. Now, let me tell you.
This is a little secret that you just don't hear all the time because everybody loves the headlines of former bro.
He's not the first or the only or the last person to do this.
These, the other people just hide behind the fact that they're drug companies doing this.
Yeah.
I'll give you an example.
Tetracycline.
Everybody's heard of it.
Everybody's heard of it, but it's no.
Oh, okay, that's what it does.
All right.
That's good to know.
It's an antibiotic.
It's been around forever.
Now, it's got some uses, but it really isn't used a whole lot anymore.
It's used mostly in H. Pylori, which is your big, a big time like ulcer disease.
That's the only time it's like still first line for H.
Pylori, nowadays you hear about doxycycline and monocycline that is that they're called tetracycline derivatives.
They work a little bit better, but they're taken from tetracycline.
So there's companies that have bought up all the tetracycline, and then they're charging like $800 for one course of tetracycline.
Do you hear about them in the news?
No.
Should that drug be that expensive?
No.
Hell no.
That drug should be four bucks, not $800.
So you're talking about $1,000 a percent.
sorry my math i'm just shooting out
a thousand percent increase because it should
something that should be four bucks is now 800
bucks that you're charging insurance companies and people
for a drug that shouldn't be that expensive now again
there's a name for for this in the world
and i apologize i don't know what it's called when when
companies do this where they buy up these
certain drugs and then they just jack it up
now uh
I'd call it greed is what I would call it
yes exactly it's greed
and uh and that's one of the things that they
technically want to do now
are they the first president to try to do this? No.
So, I mean, but it is still good that's something that they want to do.
They're also talking about the GLP-1s now that you hear about.
Like, you know, you're OZepic and your Wigobi and your Victosa.
They're trying to put a cap on, like, why are drug companies charging a thousand bucks a month for these drugs?
Now, things like Bayetta and Victosa have been around for a long time.
Now, I believe Victosa even just went generic within the last year.
So it shouldn't be this much money, and none of them should be that much money either.
However, that's kind of a sticky one.
Like, they use that as an example from some of the articles I read.
Now, it's a sticky one because some of these are fairly new and they are expensive to produce.
And again, a lot of times what you hear is that you're paying more for the next drugs that are coming out.
And that's what they're paying for.
Now, it doesn't make it right.
And I still don't think that these drugs should be that expensive.
But they do still cost things to make.
Now, whether or not, I don't know, I don't have any inside knowledge.
I don't work in that field to know that it actually costs that much for them to make.
can't imagine that a box of Victosa costs a thousand bucks or maybe even close to that for them to
make it. Obviously, this markups and this and middleman. But still, that still seems a little bit
much. Now, do I think they'll be able to cap some of those things? They should be able to,
just like some insolins and generic drugs, like there should be, they should be able to bring a lot
of these things down. And that's what they're trying. Whether they'll be able to do anything like
that, you know, it will be. Let me, let me throw this in there. So if, if that's their goal,
See, this is the problem.
This is where it gets weird and goofy to me because if the goal is, it's a good goal,
like to go in there and say we want to stop pharma companies from taking advantage of regular people.
That makes perfect sense as a thing to do.
I think that should be done.
However, most of these giant pharmaceutical companies contributed to, who cares what era this is,
all campaigns, all politicians get huge donations from that industry.
And so what's their motivation to do that?
they're not going to go in there and go, yeah, we're going to shake things up and make you not charge so much, even though you gave me $4 million during the campaign.
Like there, there's a quid pro quo going on there that is as old as time.
You know what I mean?
Right.
So I don't, I just don't, as much as I like high-minded ideas about fixing that stuff, I'm not holding my breath.
And I don't care if it's Trump or anyone else.
I'm not holding my breath because they all get paid by big pharma.
It's such a people hear that and they just go, oh, yeah, big pharma.
I mean, just like the pharmaceutical industry is known for this gougy kind of stuff, what will change now?
Probably nothing, right?
Probably nothing.
I mean, there's the next one I want to talk about is advertising, too.
So if you remember, we've talked about in the past about drug reps and what they can or can't do to doctors.
And they clean that up in the, I think it was early to mid 2000s, where they cleaned up what they could do to give the docs because they're obviously influencing docs prescribing.
what they're talking about now is all these
advertisements. I mean, you watch TV
or even streaming services now
you see nothing but advertisements.
I mean, still, you still see the
Viagra ads and you're going to see a lot of the GLP1
ads, you know, and you're going to see the SLG2,
things like Jardians was epic,
even some of the injectables, like
do Pixin and some of these things, you're still seeing
those commercial ads like crazy.
So what they're, that does twofold.
That is getting people to ask their doctors
to write these meds that are more expensive than
other meds that they could use that would do
the exact same thing. And two, when they're on networks, they're talking about how they're only
covering news for the drugs that they have advertisers on their stations for. Now that is not
something you would readily think about. Again, I don't think that's political at all, but that's
just what is, I mean, it's just kind of common sense. Like, again, you're talking about, I think
you even mentioned it too, Scott, like people, all this money is going into it. And that's why, so they're
covering news from these things talking about these particular drugs. Because, hey, they're big
advertisers on a station. I mean, that stuff's been going on for 40, 15.
years since TV well yeah since we had TV and bear aspirin decided to advertise on it the thing is
like like ozempic's case that's an example of that is the most brand name that's what everyone
knows right i don't know how much it costs them oh govi the catchy wagovi uh uh uh commercial yeah and i don't know
i don't know what those i don't know what those ozempic people have to pay to keep using that song
the oh oh ozampic yeah oh yeah but it's well it's the greatest showman so what
largely pilot the band doesn't really have anything else to lean on,
so selling out with their song magic is just fine.
You know, I was just going to say,
this is a case where their one hit really is a wonder.
You know, they've really...
I mean, I can't imagine what Wagovi is paying to...
I mean, again, isn't Great a Showman Disney?
So they've got to be paying Disney rights for that,
the one song that they took, This Is Me?
Oh, that's right.
Yeah.
I think about that.
I mean, and I don't know.
Again, I'm not, I'm not a lawyer, so I can't imagine that's under some sort of exception where you're allowed to do that.
They've got to have to pay in it.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Like what I'm, I guess what I'm saying is I think it's obviously everything's always more complicated than we think it is on the surface, right?
Like regular people on the ground, we don't know.
We don't know the industry.
You don't understand any of this stuff.
And I would just warn people that if you hear something on a campaign trail from whoever you support.
and they make some kind of really simple sounding promise on a microphone,
99% of the time, maybe even 99.9% of the time,
they don't actually have a path for that.
It's too simple what they've said.
They say, we're going to wipe out the department of whatever.
No, they're not.
Right.
Without any sort of like, but here's how, here's what the money is going to go towards,
or here's how we're going to do some of the things that that department was able to do.
right that are or here's how i'm not going to piss off people who've contributed half a billion
dollars to my campaign like you just it's way too much there's all this murky shit and so
there's two lessons here one uh the the farmer world is more complicated than you think and two
uh don't believe simple things from people who are trying to get your vote that's all i'm saying
right well and get and get also not to tell anybody how to live but try to get your news from
more than one source like try to get your news from all over to place like and see i always try
to say like when I look at studies like the perfect example is drug studies where is the money coming from
where where no matter how clean a drug study is there still can be a little bit of bias and the way they
made I mean I did this for a year in school where it was all about dissecting studies and and how to get
to the bottom like you have to really you can't just go by one study you got to go by a bunch because again
follow the money and see where you're going it's the same thing with news if you see that someone's like
pitchforks here and the other side is pitchforks here try to find different sources that
have no real outcome to
like what they're bringing in it. It's kind of clickbait
too in a way. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.
No, there's, I mean, that's why I've turned.
I've turned everything off. I don't trust anything anymore.
Every bit of news with
who stands to gain the most from
you seeing this news. And if there's a lot,
then it's probably bullshit.
Yeah. Exactly. Can I go
on a, this might be, I guess,
it was 180 turning straight around, right?
Oh, I love a good 180. Let's do it.
Yeah. All right. All right. So last night,
So my daughter, this, guys, we're old.
I'm sure I'd say this all the time.
We're old.
My daughter is turning 21 in a couple weeks.
Oh!
Which is insane to me.
Which is insane.
Wow.
Good luck with that.
Oh, man.
I can only imagine.
Actually, my daughter, I'm more worried when my son, who's about to turn 18 and January,
I'm more worried about him.
He turns 21 than when my daughter turned 21, she's pretty easy.
But we took her to see pink last night.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
And now I'm not a concert guy.
I'm kind of an old fuddy-duddy, but when you go to concerts, you kind of remember what you loved about concert, which is crazy.
And it was, it was a lot of fun.
And now, Brian, I don't know if you've seen Pink.
I mean, I know you've never seen Pink Live, but I would, I'd love to because I hear she, she is an incredible show person.
Like, she's an incredible show.
Yeah.
It is insane.
The stuff, there's a really funny thing from Fallon from a couple of weeks ago where Brett Goldstein, who's Roy
Kent was talking about how, you know, Pink went to see him, and he's just standing there.
And then he went to see her, and she's just flying all over the stadium.
And he's like, what? I mean, I'm nothing. You know, that's why I feel.
I sit here in front of a computer doing reviews, and Pink is flying around and, you know, all.
I mean, it's insane the stuff that she does. And it's all her run all around.
And of course, you know, middle-aged, straight white guy. I only know, like, half the songs.
I know all the popular ones, and I enjoy jumping around, having a good time.
You know, and it's a lot of fun.
It was so much fun.
And then Marin Morris, do you know who that is?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
What was her?
The middle, I think, is what it was called.
The middle, okay, yep.
Middle.
I can't remember.
That's the song?
The song is called The Middle?
Yeah, it's, she did it.
It's what a guy, I think there was like a synth part to it.
So it's Zed, Marin Morris and Gray.
It's called the Middle.
Oh.
Meet Me in the Middle is like what you know.
Meet Me in the Middle.
That's it.
Me in the Middle.
Okay, I know that one.
It's not a really good song.
I guess she's kind of like,
I guess she's kind of like country pop is what she is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She was real good.
I mean, like, so we sat through the opening.
We're watching her.
I'm like, am I going to know any of these?
My wife knew because she's, my wife being Southern,
not the stereotype southerners, but she loves country.
So she knows more of the some of the other ones because they play them on
his country XM songs, I mean, XM Station.
And then she sings that song.
I'm like, is she actually, is she covering this?
Or is she actually sing this?
You know, because I never heard of her, but yeah, that's primarily her song.
And it was great.
She did a, I mean, everything she sang was great.
Just not necessarily my cup of tea, but that song is amazing.
But then Pink comes out, and of course, it's like raise your glass.
And, you know, it's, I mean, it was just one reason and parties, yet the party started.
And, I mean, when you start listening to a Pink greatest hits or when you listen to that
episode of Coverville that I did a few weeks ago for Pink's birthday, you're like, oh,
have to download that you are going to have to download that you're going to be surprised
that well you're you you've got the experience at the concert of like oh my god yeah I forgot
about this song oh this is another great one oh yeah I totally know this one like she has got so many
so many songs that that you might not realize how many you know you know it's a little weird
when I think of her I think about how every time I think of pink I think about if I was
somewhere in the dark and she showed up she kicked the shit out of me
because I wouldn't want to mess with her right like if you put
put her in a bad situation or cornered or something
like that, I think she would just wreck
you, just wreck you. Yeah, yeah.
She's just like the toughest, toughest
singer lady.
Was she with a, um,
Corey Hart, was he,
uh, she was with him for a while?
Was he like MMA fighter or something?
Or am I thinking of something? Is he a skateboarder?
I can't remember Corey. Not Corey Hart, the singer.
Not Cory Hart sunglasses at night, but a different
Corey Hart. I would love that.
BMX. Oh, Raven says BMX.
Oh, BMX.
Not different three letters, not MMA,
BMX.
There you go.
I like that.
But in the same instance, she's definitely somebody I would want to, I want to be at a bar with.
Yeah.
Because you know she's going to just have a great time.
Oh, she's going to have a blast.
Yeah, she's awesome.
And you know what I noticed, too.
So I don't know if a lot of singers do this.
Now, this is not disparagingly because I know when you have a million songs,
you're doing a lot of things.
There were monitors all over the, like they're kind of almost semi-hidden, but had all the words for her.
No matter where she was on the stage, your words were there for.
Now, God bless.
I would need that.
I would absolutely need that myself.
I would 100% need that.
Yeah.
Yeah, I feel like especially.
But I also love when they cover.
Yeah.
I love when artists cover other artists when they were like doing concert.
Did Marin do any covers?
No.
Well, I don't know because I didn't recognize anything that she did.
But Pink did.
Pink has occasionally done a Bohemian Rhapsody in concert.
Awesome.
What did she do?
What did she cover when you saw?
So when she'd, so.
Last night she did, I guess it's called What's Up?
That's the Four Nine Blondes.
Yeah, yeah.
Did that.
And she had the whole place screaming and yelling, which is great.
Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah, that's a good one.
Oh, it was great.
And she did a heartbreaker by Pat Benatar.
Oh, that's a good one for her.
Boy, she is, she is like the perfect attitude to cover anything by Pat Benetar, Joan Jen.
Yeah, by the way, those are two other ladies that would kick my ass in an alleyway.
Yeah.
Oh, I think.
Oh, yeah.
I think Carly Ray Jepson probably would put up a good fight with you, too.
All right, I'll take that as the insult it was meant to be.
So, by the way, I was thinking of the middle by Jimmy Eat World.
I had the whole wrong song in my head.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Oh, right, right, yeah.
Yeah, I screwed that up.
Although I'd love to hear Mary and Morris sing the middle, just to hear what that would sound like, too.
It would probably be very slow and, yeah,
And methodical, I guess.
She, uh, I've got two covers by Marin Morris in my catalog.
Uh, she covers Billy Idles dancing with myself and Elton John's Mona Lisa's and Matt Hatters.
Oh, wow.
Like a nice, a nice ballady deep cut and, uh, and a arena rocker.
I was going to say, quite the range there.
Big chasm between those people.
And they're both, they're both women that are, uh, that are teeny tiny and would fit in your pocket because I think they're both like five two is like that.
Oh, really pink for some reason.
That was a lot taller.
I guess not.
Oh, fiery little things.
Maron Morris, she dresses to look like she's a lot taller because she's pretty thin.
So the way she dresses.
And then when I saw that she was only like 5-2, I goes, man, she's about surround herself with some short people too.
Yeah.
Make her look a little taller.
I think paint could be like alternate reality or alternate universe X-23, man.
Just put some claws on her.
Oh, there you go.
Tear you up.
Yeah, Carter would protect me.
That's right, chat room.
She only would.
She's got that same strength.
A spiky necklace or a collar thing.
She has, like, defensive guerrilla strength when it's needed.
She will destroy a fool.
Dan, in the final 10 minutes we have with you today.
Yes.
Let's get to whatever you can fit into that time frame.
What do you got?
Oh, I just got one for you.
And we're going to talk about this.
This is kind of an IP game.
This is by Dyer Wolf.
This is called, and now this IP is really hot because it's about Invincible.
This is Invincible, the hero building game.
Okay.
And now there's just games coming out like crazy for Invincible.
Now, there's a card game, which kind of looks very, very normal, very samey card game.
This is the hero building game.
This is by Dyer Wolf, and it is kind of a bag building kind of deck building game or a Lowe building.
It's a ton of fun.
I got to play this at Gammers for Cures, which was last weekend.
We did Gameres for Cures, and I talked about this, I think, and the last time I was on with this.
That's the charity event that I run.
It's like a board game marathon at Gamers Armory and Carry.
We raised it right around $13,000.
And the numbers are still kind of waiting here from the store about some raffles and stuff.
So it was really good event.
So thanks for everybody out there that either came or donated.
That's awesome.
That sounds like your highest get.
That's a really big number.
No.
You know what?
When I keep looking back somehow, like now I know how hard I work and we raised $13,000.
Two years in a row we raised $22,000.
I'm still like, how in the world did I ever raise that?
We raised about $170 to date.
But it's just the generosity of people is just understanding.
Unbelievable. It's great. And from publishers and local businesses and everything else.
But this is a game that's, it's actually a Scott and a Brian game.
Sweet. So it's a Brian Read the Rules and Scott plays the game, which would be nice and easy.
That's how we go.
Nice. Yeah. Love it.
So you're drawing cubes out of a bag. So you have different.
Now, it's kind of a campaign game.
You can play it either just like one-off or there's a campaign that you go through, which has like seven episodes.
And then you have a lot of the villains that you would see throughout the show or the books.
You know, the comic run.
Right.
And then you have some of the big bads that are in there.
And now everybody's taking the role of one of the heroes through the, you know,
you're using like Invincible or Adam Eve or robot, you know, one of them or, you know, I can't remember the other one.
Nuclear dude that is Madzukas doing the voice.
And I can't remember his name, character name.
Oh, yeah.
I like him a lot.
He's great as a character.
And so you're basically you've got different cards that you'll be adding throughout the game.
You're going to be adding superpowers to your third.
tableau and then you've got a bunch of cubes in your bag now you've got things like
blue cubes yellow yellow orange and black cubes in your bag now the black cubes are the
bad ones you've got like six of those in there and you're basically pushing your luck so
drawing three cubes at a time and then as you draw those cubes you're assigning them
to your different powers now your superhero has certain powers that are come
normally on their board and then each round you will be adding cards you know you're
purchasing powers that you're adding then there'll be ultimate powers you can add as
well but as you're adding those cubes to those powers you're then triggering what they do
then you're helping each other out or defeating some villains or rescuing some bystanders
and such and what's cool is the little bystanders are all again characters from the game that you
would recognize characters from the comic that you would recognize throughout there it is a lot
fun so you're adding other cubes to every round you're adding other cubes to your board but you've got
to try to push a lot because once you get five black cubes then you basically get knocked out and
you're trying to avoid having to do that so that's
where the pusher luck goes in. But when you do draw a black cube early, it's good because they're
wild power, like they're wild colors that you can put anywhere. And then you're just basically
going out, you're thwarting some of their schemes, and you're also attacking the supervillains
and saving some of the bystanders. It's a lot of fun. It's not really hard to learn whatsoever,
and it's pretty quick to play each one of these. I mean, you played in about 90 minutes,
each one of these different scenarios. And again, you probably learned a game in 15, 20 minutes,
when Brian reads the rules. Read it to me. Yeah, read the to me. I'll lay on a couch. He can
read it to me that way. I hope we can have this in Vegas because this looks awesome.
This looks like, number one, any building game where it's not just cards, but you've also
got like tokens and cubes and things like that. I love the addition of that. This reminds me
a lot of Marvel United where you've got, you have to put things on those cards that you pull
from a different source to defeat them basically. Really, this looks really cool. Yeah, it looks
awesome. I love bag building and deck building.
Kevin Spack known for good stuff, right?
That dude, let's see.
Yeah, he did the game.
Not really.
Really?
He's kind of a fairly newer, he's fairly new.
You know, he...
I thought that Oathbreaker's game, wasn't that Oathbreakers game of Thrones thing
was supposed to be pretty good, or am I thinking of something?
I mean, it didn't get a huge, because it was just, it's very hard to sell such a large game
because that's a five to a player game.
Yeah.
So it's very hard to sell those to be, like, people want, you know, the three to four player
games that, you know, but this being, that's more of a very social game. And again, another
IP game from Dyer Wolf that, you know, if you've got that many people, it's a pretty
fun kind of social game where it's, you know, team-based and social to it. But it's, but this is
going to be his, probably one of his big breakouts. I think he's kind of an in-house guy at Dyer Wolf as
well. So he probably has some others that he probably doesn't get credit for that he's worked on
in some development with them as well. I hope Dyer Wolf, when they make,
Well, they don't always do this, but when they make a digital version of their stuff, I always enjoy those.
Clank is great.
Yeah, their clank digital thing is really good.
So good.
Yeah.
So this Invincible game sounds like it would make a decent transition if they wanted.
It seems like it would, yeah.
It also, it's funny.
It also reminded me a little bit of clank with the pulling dice out of, or pulling cubes out of a bag.
So I didn't realize until just now, oh, yeah, these are the guys that clank as well.
So it all fits.
Yeah.
And what's weird about the, so they do, so they have.
Dyerwolf and Dyerwolf Digital. So in Dyerwolf
Digital, I think they did, I think it's
Eternal, or is like a
CCG, but they've also got board game
and they also bring
board game digitally that they didn't necessarily
produce, because I'm pretty sure they are
the ones that just put out Cascadia.
Which is basically from a different company, which is
AEG and the other
parent company that Xagia, I think, just
distributed it's Cascadia now. But Cascade is
an amazing, amazing game. They did that
Elder, that Elder Scalg was also
theirs. It's gone now.
That was really good, too.
Is it gone now?
I think Bethesda canceled it.
Maybe it's still playable, but it's not actively being worked on.
But it was, I felt like anyway, in the thrust of all the hearth stone likes, that one
stood out.
That game was great.
Really fun to play.
And it brought a cool thing where they had different lanes, where you could have different
overarching rules to each lane.
Like sometimes you would play, and it would be like, oh, every character here has
first strike, but on this side it's just regular.
Like, that's what they did.
That was kind of their change.
And what I liked about it is they had a solo campaign like right out of the bat for that particular CCC.
Yeah, that was really good.
It bummed me out.
But that was when Bethesda was doing all kinds of weird cuts.
And then they sold themselves to Microsoft and none of that stuff survived.
So it's a bummer.
I hope this one comes to digital.
The problem is it being an IP is that it's all over the place as far as, you know, who gets the licenses to be able to do it digital.
Like they may have the IP to put this one out in a board game form with this.
you know because the card game is a completely different company so there's somebody has the
IP for the card game this they have the IP for this particular board and and uh i guess it's not
board and dice but it's like their board version now i don't know if they'd be allowed to put it out
ip but it would be an amazing game to put out uh digitally yeah well we'll have to keep our eye on it uh
this looks great i hope we do see it in Vegas that'd be a fun game to play with a bunch of folks
somebody buy it and somebody buy it yeah somebody buy it and then bring i mean if you want to be
the same person who buys it and brings it we're fine with that most sense it really would
We don't want anyone to buy it and then send it to a guy and then have him bring it.
No, that seems silly.
Bring what you buy is what we're saying, all right?
If I'm able to come this year, I'll definitely bring it out there.
I just have to check with my schedule.
Damn, we would love to have you in Vegas.
That would be amazing.
Every time we can get you, it's a highlight.
Yeah, and the board game day is always a blast.
You would eat it up, and we'd love to have you.
Oh, yeah.
Dan, Dan.
And you'd be there to help me with a taskmaster thing that I'm thinking about for 2025.
Oh.
Consider it.
Consider it.
Absolutely.
Put it on your consideration list.
Dan, it's always good talking to you, of course.
Tell people where they can get your podcast and what's going on there.
Well, you can hit me up on Twitter at Board Game, Dan,
and you can find The Geek All Stars podcast.
We'll be recording a new one tonight where we're doing a recap of Gamer for Cures.
We'll mostly be talking about the different games we played,
which will include I'll have a nice deep dive on Invincible Hero Building Game as well.
And you can find me here.
All right.
Well, there you go.
You can talk to you.
Amazing gentlemen.
Enjoy all the times you get to see the Utah Hockey Club play.
Any team you're loving up there.
They need to get their name.
Get their name.
They're working on it according to someone I talked to.
But also, they're not winning a lot, and that's bumming me out.
But anyway, Dan, have a fantastic week.
We'll see you next time.
All right.
It's a building year.
It's definitely a building year.
Oh, my gosh.
It's not a rebuilding year.
It's a building year.
It definitely feels like it.
Real quick, we got a note from somebody.
He had an alternate for the censored WAP lyrics.
This is from an anonymous listener.
He thinks it should be waffles and pancakes.
He says, coming in a future release of the family-friendly CD series,
the lyrics practically write themselves, see that syrup, drip, drip,
my WAP will make your butter melt.
It totally, it does write itself.
Wow.
Yeah, it's not bad.
Waffles and pancakes, though.
Wow, it would be a very big switch from the waffles or pancakes.
Yeah, exactly.
I've always said that.
People say waffles or pancakes.
I say, give me both.
Why not waffles and pancakes?
I love them both. I'm not going to pick one over the other.
Speaking of picking things over another, here's what you should do tomorrow at 11 a.m.
Instead of something else, okay?
So that's just your pick tomorrow.
World Warcraft, or specifically Warcraft, is having their 30-year anniversary stream tomorrow.
And that's everything from Warcraft, one up through Wow.
And we don't even know what this thing's going to be, although there's been some leaked info about a remaster of two and some other stuff.
But Bobby and are going to watch it, for the instance, in real time at 11 a.m.
So come for the live thing.
We'll also put it up on the feeds later.
It will be a public thing, so not just Patreon only.
So if you're interested in such things, that's tomorrow 11 a.m.
Pretty quick after TMS, about an hour after we're done or a half hour.
And come watch.
Do we have Tom back tomorrow?
We do have Tom back tomorrow.
We have Tom and Nicole and Randy, so we're going to have to keep it tight.
Yeah, tight, tight, tight, tight, tight.
Tom will keep it tight.
It's the recommendals that often get a little off the rails.
But we'll see.
Yeah.
But that's the plan.
So do check that out if you have.
minute tomorrow. All right, Brian, that's going to do it for today. Let's play a song and leave
these people with a little tune. Yeah, Jazz Champ in the Discord wrote in, Richard Gibbons.
He says, it's been five years since I submitted my last request, and I would like to dedicate
another one to my beautiful wife of now 30 years. He says, Amy Jolie, it certainly doesn't seem
like 1994 is 30 years ago, but here we are. Through 30 years of challenges, elation, turmoil,
victories, glory, and even some serenity, we've tackled a lot of life's trials.
and I can't imagine doing any of it without you.
I look forward to another 30 years and more together.
Nice.
He says, as Amy Jolie is a big fan of Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogers,
I thought I'd request a cover of Through the Years by Kenny Rogers
if you have one that you can recommend.
If not, I trust you'll find a great alternative.
Thanks, Brian, signed Richard Gibbons.
Nice.
So here's the thing about Through the Years.
It is a very slow, sweet, it's sweet song,
but my gosh, it is tough to do first thing in the morning.
And I don't have any covers of it that don't just sound exactly like it.
So I'm sticking with the Kenny Rogers,
and I've got a kick-ass cover of The Gambler.
Hopefully, Amy Jolie likes this, and hopefully you like this.
This was from a band that, man, worked with me in the very early years of Coverville,
a band called Uncle Seth.
I did an interview with them, and they sent tons of music.
This is one of the songs they sent that I actually never used for Coverville,
even though there's zero reason for me not to.
This is their cover of Kenny Rogers, the gambler, recorded live at Say What,
but it's C-E-S-T because they're Canadian, say what, March 7th.
All right, here we go.
Let's play it.
And you know what the thing we haven't talked about is your AOL guy that used to do stuff with.
Oh, I know.
I need to bring out the, you've got Coverville recording that he did for me.
That poor guy.
Yeah, it just passed away.
Nice and old, though.
Yeah, nice and old.
And you know what?
Never seemed to be unhappy or have any problems.
No.
It seemed to always be a really good, happy guy for what he contributed to history.
Yeah, and it's a big one.
People all know it.
It's a pretty impressive little mark to leave.
So rest in peace, that guy.
All right, here's the song.
We'll see you guys tomorrow for another edition of TMS.
On a warm
On a train down to nowhere
We're together
We're both so tired to speak
So we're tucked down to stand
The window after darkness
Then both of all from took us
hearing out he's good
He's like so many
I don't read in people's faces
Knowing know what the cards were
By the way they have it right
So if you don't mind
To seek your out of aces
For a taste of your whiskey
I'll give you something nice
So I hand you out
I drank down my life
Then you bomb the sink of red
And that's me for a night
And I got that quiet
And his face was a small
expression
Say you're gonna play the game boy
Yeah, I learn to play the ride
And you got to know
And no way to hold on
No way to fall on
No ever walk away
No in the run
Because you never count
slow in light
When you're sitting at the table
You'll read something up
I'm counting
when the year is gone
Every candle knows
The secret suits
So we don't want to throw away
Don't know what to keep those
Every hands are win
And every hand is a loser
The best that you can't hope for
Just a die in vain
So I'm here then they're spanking
Turn back towards the window
Crested at a single bed
Fitted in all the same
Somewhere in darkness
The gambler he broke even
His final words I found
The place that I did
You got to go in the longer
You're in front of
Your man was the way
No and wrong
Because you never counts your mind
When you see at the table
There will be sound enough to count it
When I need that's on the table
You got to know at no one.
What a hug?
Nowhere to fold them
Come back, leave on the words
To walk away
No end or run
Because you never counts your mind
When you're sitting at the table
There'll be time enough of counting
When I do you can some
We've got to go
And then we're gone
Oh, and don't go
No, and I walk away
You're going to walk away
You're going to go
Because you're still in every now
I'm sure in the line
When you're sitting in the table
There'll be someone
up the cabin
When I deal in the zone
Every town
I'll be telling us like that
When I do music
Oh, wow.
Oh, looks like someone just got their ears caught in the audio cookie jar.
It's okay.
You can have another.
And another after that.
pants.com.
That was a well-plotted piece of non-clap trap trap that never made me want to wretch.