The Morning Stream - TMS 2755: Mariguano

Episode Date: December 19, 2024

Ctrl Alt Del Taco. Clark Kettle. It's the Coke End. Get these mother effing hamsters off this mother effing plane! Holy Dank Weed, Batman! Jost Kidding. Fully-Forged Adults. Krypto the Super Doge. Loo...k at me! I'm the baking Lord! Hail Hydrox! Ron Dickles. Satanic Disney Panic. The only band I know from the land down under is INXS. No EL, NO EL, and NO LT. YAR! Grandparents punching Millennials and Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:01:22 You'll get no L, no L, and no Lieutenant Yarr! Grandparents punching millennials and Wendy. And more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Everyone thinks that his own manners are all right, even if they aren't perfect. And that being correct only helps to spoil fun. Let us compare what these students do and don't do with what we think is right. Well, what are you waiting for? Somebody to kiss you goodbye.
Starting point is 00:01:56 The Morning Stream. I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle. Hello, everybody, and welcome to TMS. It is the morning stream for December 19th, 2024. I'm Scott Johnson. And that's Brian Abbott. Hello. Yes. Welcome to Thursday's show.
Starting point is 00:02:21 We now have T-minus six days until Christmas. Jeez. I'm kidding. Yeah. Get out to Target. Get those presents into the mail, folks. If you're going to get anything out, you better get it out now. Oh, that reminds me.
Starting point is 00:02:33 Yeah. So yesterday I showed off that Nintendo controller that inspired like the way the print job or the airbrushing job I want to do. Yeah. Let me show it. I'd like to see this. This is the show and tell portion of our show, and we like doing this a lot. So children sit down.
Starting point is 00:02:51 There'll be cookies and juice later, all right? So one more time, this is the Nintendo. controller that I used as an example, and basically I was trying to figure out a way to make Marvel snap frames that evoked the feeling of infinity rather than the actuality of the infinity frame, because the infinity frame is a super reflective black frame that just reflects all the things around it. It really doesn't have any color itself. But this is my airbrushed.
Starting point is 00:03:19 Oh, I like it. Ooh, a little bit of star spatter in there. Mm. It looks good, man. Yeah, it came out great. That looks good, and we're just seeing it on your webcam. I bet it looks even better in person. It does.
Starting point is 00:03:31 I need to take a photo of it and put it on. I've got to take a photo of it and put on the Etsy site, really, is what I need to do. That's nice. It's a good replication because, as we know, if you look at, like, the actual cards in that game, or really any of these kind of games, even the fancy hearthstone cards, they do things with their effects that are physically not possible. Like, you couldn't. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:03:55 You couldn't do it the way that they showed. The snap cards are reflecting a thing that is not visible anywhere around the players. Yeah. Yeah, it's so it came out really good. Yeah, I'll take a picture of it and put it up online and then I'll put a copy on Etsy. But I'm really, really happy. And this is the first one I did where I separated out the number gems and the player name. So the frame is one piece, and then each of these things are another piece, and they just go on there.
Starting point is 00:04:23 I have to widen things a little bit. I had to do some sanding to get them to fit, but you can see there's a teeny little bit of a gap there more than I'd like the orange gem. When you're looking at this thing straight on, can't even tell. Sure. And you can adjust that for future ones, right? So you get more flushed. I can adjust it for future ones. Yeah, it's a little bit of Dremlin.
Starting point is 00:04:43 Yeah. A little Dremlin will take care of that goodness. According to Bill, a little Dremlin goes a long way. It really does. Dremel is a great little tool for resin, for fixing your resin prints. probably well not so much your your filament ones because it just heats up the plastic and melts it it doesn't oh it doesn't sand it away as well think of that yeah that would make sense you'd have to do you probably more of a hand approach like uh yeah hand sanding and stuff yeah although i guess you could
Starting point is 00:05:11 go fast enough if you do yeah if you're the flash yeah if you're the flash oh speaking of which we all i guess we all saw that superman trailer this morning or the teaser watched it right before the show started and bryan It gave me the feels. It gave me the feels. Oh, it is. Wow. Okay, nice.
Starting point is 00:05:28 I'm very excited. Look, I have a soft spot for a couple of things he showed in this teaser. I bet I know one of them. It's got to be crypto. Yeah, crypto, to some people, I know this is going to be true. Some people, especially like the Snyderheads, they're going to see crypto and go, what the hell's a dog doing in here with a cape on? Like, they're going to really have a problem with that, some people. You're wrong, people.
Starting point is 00:05:50 You need to read the comics that Crypto comes from. You need to see some of the amazing stories. storylines that involve him. I'm stoked about that. It's great that we get both a crypto and a doge in the same trailer. Yeah, exactly. I don't like Guy Gardner's hair. I'll just put that out there.
Starting point is 00:06:08 Oh, yeah. There's maybe something to that. We'll find out. I don't know. But the use of that, the arrangement of that John Williams' music, oh, man. Yes, yes. The hearkening back to the, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. It's a little bit of a cheat to get me feeling.
Starting point is 00:06:24 in a certain way. I understand that. I acknowledge that, but I am here for it. And they made me feel good. And there's color. This thing's full of color. Yes, exactly. It's not muted and dour. That's the thing I'm excited about. I'm hoping, you know, it's James Gunn. So undoubtedly, there'll be some more, there'll be more humor in it than we didn't.
Starting point is 00:06:44 It's evident in the trailer. Yeah. But I, you know, I guess I don't think he's going to go overboard and that's right and that's good that's the right thing it's superman there's a little bit of reverence um you can go a little sillier with um batman's rogues gallery you can go silly with uh um some of the other care obviously harley quinn and and uh suicide squad and things like that but superman has got to be if there's if there's a funny scale superman needs to be kind of like on the four five out of ten as opposed to the suicide squad nine out of ten i agree and they
Starting point is 00:07:24 need to do it where it belongs with Lois and Jimmy right and you know what's the guy who was a Perry Perry White
Starting point is 00:07:32 that kind of stuff yeah yeah I do like Nick O'Holt as oh yeah dude he looks great he just needs to look at the camera
Starting point is 00:07:39 and say witness me and slowly die in a car crash reset the reset the counters folks yep clock get that time put that up in a while
Starting point is 00:07:46 where the hell is it there it is reset the clock anyway yeah I'm suitable I was already excited, but I'm, in gun, I trust. He hasn't let me down before, so we'll just see.
Starting point is 00:08:01 But they could drop the legends from the name, though. I don't know if you noticed that. Oh, I didn't notice that. Yeah, it just says Superman now. Yeah, that's interesting. Okay. Well, hey, that's fine. I think he read some interview.
Starting point is 00:08:14 He said it was just starting to feel like we were going to do a bunch of prequels or prequel sounding storyline stuff and we're not. Yeah. No, and I don't see. any, thank goodness, I don't see any, oh no, krypton's exploding. We better send our baby away. Okay, let's get him there.
Starting point is 00:08:31 Hey, I'm Monpa Kettle. Yeah. Kent. The have a whole different movie, wouldn't it? Mom, Paw Kettle. Yeah, then it'd be Clark Kettle. Clark Kettle goes to the big city and becomes a fancy reporter. Yeah, I have really high hopes, and I think that
Starting point is 00:08:48 everything just looked great and that music killed me, dude. Freaking so good. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, that's going on. Are we going to get the origin where Superman's parents die in an alley behind the... Martha, how did you know that name? I hope we never hear that again. Oh, no, my pearls.
Starting point is 00:09:04 Yeah, I hope we never see that again. Yeah, I'm fine with that. Or, you know what? If you're going to do it, do it in flashbacky stuff that's short. I just don't need a full retelling of the origin story of Batman ever again. I know how Superman got here. We're good. Unless you're going to tell a totally new story where
Starting point is 00:09:23 this is an alternate universe where Superman crashed into a big major city and was taken in by homeless people or so you know if you're going to change it all up like that fine but that's not what this is this is the standard he landed in the farm stuff these fine old folks from Smallville
Starting point is 00:09:39 you know raised you as their own like we know we know and you can have him go back to Smallville and hang out with Paw Kent and you know give him advice it looks like there's a moment there in the trailer where he's talking to a guy looks older I assume that's, I assume that's, uh, uh, what's his name, Kent? I don't know. Oh, Paw Kent. Looks
Starting point is 00:09:57 like it. I think so. It looks like he's close to death. Yeah, he looked pretty, he looked a little rough. Uh, anyway, I'm excited. Bring it on. Let's do it. Uh, when is that? That's next summer, or July 11th. 7.11, folks, go get a slurpy, uh, get your free slurpy and, uh, go see Superman on the same day. We'll do a big local, uh, SLC tadpool thing. Nice. Yeah. We've got to get all locals together. You got to help me plan that, Kevin, if you're out there listening. Anyway, Brian, hey, we got a reminder real quick because these are just going to happen. I'm going to bring these reminders in. It's just a way to get you guys stoked about this and moving your butts. You have until January 31st, like a month and a half or a little less,
Starting point is 00:10:41 to submit your 32nd film festival entry over at frogpans.com slash film fest. And the reason you're doing this is because you're going to get a bunch of prizes. And we also want to see your awesome creativity. The theme this year is, show us the origin story of a TMS meme. And sorry, I'm pulling up the site. Here we go. Was it June 11? Okay, June 11.
Starting point is 00:11:06 Sorry if I made a mistake on the Superman thing. Oh, yeah. A whole bunch of people would have missed it by a month if they listened to me. Yeah. I don't know how we would have. We've averted disaster clearly by finding that out. anyway go read all about the rules the rules are not hardcore they're just there so they're easy to to read and there's a film entry form right there it's super simple uh not hard to do once you
Starting point is 00:11:31 finished your thing just send us a unlisted youtube link of your creation and you are entered to win soon we'll have news on prizes i want to make it awesome so we're working on like a combination of digital physical stuff all kind of across the board um anyway that is at frogpans.com slash film fest get your entries in today well not today how about soon yeah soon start thinking about them today though start figuring out what meme you like and there's there's a TMS wiki if you if you search I don't know the is it wiki dot frogpants or something um I found it for somebody the other day who's asking about it and um frogpants dot fandom dot com there it is frogpance wiki is there a
Starting point is 00:12:16 yeah and there's tadpool is that the one there is a um there's a few things means um let's see here hold on there's a thing with memes that says much like the frogpants podcast the tadpull has developed its own memes inside jokes and culture here are some examples customary to greet everyone entering the tadpool uh role play as one hugs two sharing bacon three throwing bricks of love yeah wow it goes back yeah nobody's doing that anymore yeah i mean i guess bacon gets shared still by Zoe but whatever. It's also customary to get the hosts and
Starting point is 00:12:50 to talk about it. That's not it. During Darrell. Okay, they talk about Darrell. Well, they don't have very many here though. Let's see. Here's a better Oh, wow, this one doesn't have many at all. We should make a list and just give them the list. Yeah. Stephanie,
Starting point is 00:13:07 can you help us with that? Because you were doing the whole listen through. And there was somebody else who was like cataloging. Oh, here's the first time Brian did this or here's the first time scott did the yeah i yeah we don't even need all we need really is is the name of the thing so much don't really need right days or anything takes a lot of time i say many hands make light work there you go take takes a village genie that's why i'm your middle manager for uh that's right right scott's the CEO of middle management and uh yeah and our
Starting point is 00:13:39 and our shareholders meeting is a rough one this year so genie get in line right right exactly yeah Just kidding. I want to hear those reports on how our fourth quarter earnings. Yeah, we need to find out how, do we need to put a pin in it and swing back around next quarter? Because hopefully the synergy for that way. Yeah, we need as much synergy as possible. Brian and also we need to find out if this was the dessert you meant. Yeah, for the morning stream, good-day you two indictments of the American education system.
Starting point is 00:14:08 I think the dessert that Brian is thinking of is beaten mess, which is. that are named after the Snoopy College in Britain. Thanks, guys. Is that... I couldn't tell if he was... If that was a real accent or if he was taking the piss, basically. Well, he's heard from him before. He is in Brisbane.
Starting point is 00:14:29 He's in Australia, but... He is. Okay. All right. But I'm not sure what he called it, and that's where I'm struggling. Eat mess, which is absolutely 100% the dessert that I was trying to think of. I was confusing Brighton and I was probably confusing. Oh, no. Breton. Britain was the city.
Starting point is 00:14:48 And I was trying to think of like, Breton something, Britain something. But really, it's just eaten, eaten mess. Eat and mess. And if you look at this thing, it is accurately named. E-T-O-N-M-E-S-S. It is like just a, it's like you took a parfait and just dumped it on a plate. Oh, look at this, dude. Yeah, that's a bit of a mess.
Starting point is 00:15:14 but I'd eat it. Yeah. Wow. And, you know, eating may be a snooty college, but that's where the members of the jam went, I think. Oh.
Starting point is 00:15:24 Maybe not. The jam? Do I know the jam? I don't think I know the jam. You know the jam. Do I? The bitterest pill I had to swallow is the jam. Oh.
Starting point is 00:15:33 How about? No, no connection to... Nothing. No, nothing, Jay. Not that. Who am I thinking of? The only Australian bands I know for sure are in excess. Uh, no, their jam is English.
Starting point is 00:15:47 Oh, they're English. Eaton is an English, uh, British college. Oh, okay, I got you. English college, I think. I think it's in England. Right. So the prison colony got a hold of their dessert really is what this is going on. Yes.
Starting point is 00:15:58 That looks fantastic. I'm looking at a big bunch of it there. I know. Doesn't that look great? It just looks like, it really just looks like fruit and whipped cream, but I know there's way more in there than that because they, they made it once, I think, on the, uh, on one of the Christmas bakeoffs or New Year's bakeoffs. That makes sense.
Starting point is 00:16:13 Did, uh, did, did Paul? Hollywood Lear at a young contestant He doesn't do that A little bit I don't think he gets creepy with him He just gets he's just that That level of creepy with everybody But not sexually creepy
Starting point is 00:16:27 Well didn't he didn't he end up What was the deal? He had an affair with one of the presenters There was a scandal thing There was something His wife left him because he was getting it on With somebody on the show I don't remember if it was a contestant
Starting point is 00:16:39 Or like a presenter or something It wasn't it wasn't Prue or any of those people it was like um i know the i don't think the first uh two women uh gully man guliman and and uh susan oh shoot what's her name uh i don't think either of them would have accepted his advances i would think i would think not based on other things i've heard but yes i know where you're going with that uh let's see oh yeah sure enough there is marcella Billadolid. During his stint on the American baking competition, 2013, he fell into a sticky scandal. Embroiled and unfair with co-host, Marcella, Valladolid. So apparently they're... It led to a temporary split from his wife, Alexandra.
Starting point is 00:17:30 Yeah, now they're, I guess, they're back together and fine now, but, uh, I mean, you know, you're like, hey, I'm the baking, I'm the baking lord. Look at me. No one's cooler than me. And, you know, I don't know. Exactly. That's the, that's the, that's the, typical Paul Hollywood leer and stare and glare is the, you know, not quite the, what the hell am I doing on this show, but like the, what the hell are you doing on this show? Yeah. You saw you bought a mess.
Starting point is 00:17:57 I also think somebody whose name is Paul Hollywood, just expect some rough seas. All right. That's just how it is. Anyway, well, there you go. Speaking of desserts, all right? Yes. Let us do this. Uh-oh.
Starting point is 00:18:13 Almost washed your first. food down. Look at this. Mike Picholik, great patron of the arts. Exactly. He sent us a Coca-Cola flavored Oreo pack. And Brian and I were remarking earlier how they made a little bottle shape out of it,
Starting point is 00:18:28 which I think is kind of great. You get some forced perspective there, but I like it. So I've never tried this, and apparently this is a thing that people do on the regular where you drink Coke and eat Oreos, like separately apart from this flavor. They apparently like the combination of the chocolate and
Starting point is 00:18:44 Which sounds wrong to me. I'll be honest, Brian. Oh, my gosh. The smell. When you open that container is, it is like sticking your nose deep into a bottle of Coke. Oh, my gosh. Oh, wow. But you know what it is? It's the gummy Coke bottles is the smell. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, those bottles. I used to love the Dr. Pepper ones when I was a kid. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wow. All right. So another thing of note here, you got a red top cookie. got a bottom brown cookie and it's more brown than it's just I don't know
Starting point is 00:19:18 it's a different brown Oh really the brown looks the same Yeah maybe it's the same I think it's the same But the idea here is that You still get the chocolate I assume that this is the Coke flavor And I don't know what they did
Starting point is 00:19:30 At the middle Although you said there are pop rocks in this There are pop rocks in here To give you the carbonate it's carbonated stuff I'm scared Not double stuff but carbonated stuff This just seems like This is a cookie to give people diabetes
Starting point is 00:19:42 but let's give it a shot. Well, yeah. Let's see. Oh, sure enough, it's got the pop rocks. Mm-hmm. You know what? That isn't bad. No, I think it's fine.
Starting point is 00:19:58 Oh, weird. The pop rocks act as like carbonation, basically. Yeah, but they're not, they're not as, it's not as many pop rocks as I was expecting. Yeah. Like, I was thinking it was going to be like, like, you know, downing a whole... Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:15 This isn't too bad. This isn't too bad. You know what? I would call this a decent Christmas time flavor. It is. And you know, the... I'm not eating anymore, but... It kind of is.
Starting point is 00:20:25 The, uh, it's subtle. It's more subtle than I was expecting. Yeah. The chocolate is still very prominent, so... Yeah. It's very good. Yeah. I'm surprised.
Starting point is 00:20:33 I thought I was going to hate that. I expected to. Let's see what the sugar content is. I think the, uh, I think the, uh, I think I think I like, it better than the um
Starting point is 00:20:41 than the coke uh that tastes like Oreos I think I like the Oreas that tastes like Coke better oh yeah I've never you were the only one that's tried that right you've tried the Coke it says to just try the red cookie because it's the Coke flavor that's the Coke end okay so but you've tried the drink right I have not done that hmm I don't know very subtle not super sweet at all
Starting point is 00:21:05 which I really like the cream's definitely got more of the Coke flavor yeah oh really yeah I'm trying it by itself I just I just ate all the cream these are vegan by the way I know if you knew that I did not know that orioes are vegan famously according to well I say famously according to Oreo themselves they are famous for being a vegan
Starting point is 00:21:30 alternative okay 12 grams added sugars 24% overall of your daily valued sugar intake that's a lot of sugar So I would recommend going easy on those. How many cookies is that? Oh, good question. That might be total. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:21:49 No, they're not going to say serving size is one whole container. Serving size is two cookies serving size. Okay. Per serving 12 grams of sugar total. And that's see, that's 12. That's funny. Total sugars, 12 grams, included 12 grams. included 12 grams added sugars.
Starting point is 00:22:09 So the sugars in total are the added ones. Yeah. There's no like natural sugars and then they're like, yep. There's nothing natural about the Oreo. Come on now. I mean, it's a pretty, that's pretty sugary. Not the worst thing you can put in your mouth sugar-wise, but it's, you know, it's up there. Regular Oreas aren't too bad.
Starting point is 00:22:27 And especially the thins, they're not, like, loaded. I can probably eat three or four of those, you know. Four is the serving size they recommend on the Oreo Thins. Yeah. This one's two, did we say? Yeah, two. that makes sense double it and then the double stuffs it was it one I think zero is a serving the recommended serving size of double stuff Oreos
Starting point is 00:22:46 oh man I remember being a little kid when those came out like 77 or something like that and I remember being like this is the greatest day in mankind's history I said today is going to save me so much time and I don't have to manually pull the cookies apart and make my own double stuff cookies yeah I freaking loved it can't do them now though anyway there's a mega stuff bobby there's like bigger than double stuff is there really like oh i gotta see who's that for mega stuff who are those four let's see they're just ain't enough stuff oh my god look at that that's like an ice cream sandwich is what that is oh no yeah it really is there you go chat look at oh and then there's most stuff so there's even there's even one above
Starting point is 00:23:34 mega of course there is oh that is the most that's the most that's the most that's the most stuff oh there's the words in the background you know let's see um yeah you ever do the you ever do the you ever do the serial the post orio or no no i'm here here's a great photo that shows you it's almost like uh your t mobile bars or something let's see um but the in our discord is a thin the regulars the double stuff the mega stuff and then the most stuff oh my gosh dude look at these you guys how many bars how many bars are you getting yeah that's those those are from mega stuff forward that's just bad idea yeah yeah i think even double stuff is too much yeah go back to my childhood i'm in heaven now this is a bad idea i'm looking for one that's got
Starting point is 00:24:19 the amount of stuff uh from the thin one thin and one regular oreos there are one and a half stuff you want to watch you want to read up or go down a rabbit hole about corporate infighting or corporate fighting you've never seen in your life and that is the fight between the bisco Oreo and the they sound like medication the other cookie that they competed with. Oh yeah hydrox. Hydrox. The Hydrox versus
Starting point is 00:24:45 Oreo stuff. Crazy. The back and forth on that. Oh my gosh. Price wars, flavor wars. At one point one of them took the lard out and then started selling a bunch more and then I think it was Oreo reacted and said fine, we're taking the lard out. It was just like bra bra bra bra it was like
Starting point is 00:25:01 the most competitive cookie thing in the history of cookies. It was crazy. And then they tried to get their employees to go hail hydrops. That didn't work. That didn't work very well. No, it turns out people, at least back then, frowned on the Nazis more than we do today. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Hey, everybody. Guess what else
Starting point is 00:25:17 we got to hear it today? Time for a Oreo to have a, when the Captain America movie comes out, they need to do Oreos that have the shield logo on one side and the Hydra logo on the other side. I like that. Plus, that feels like a little
Starting point is 00:25:35 stab at hydrox again, doesn't it? It does. Exactly. Keep those guys on their toes. Exactly. Like, wait a minute. What are they doing? Hydrox, when I was growing up, were terrible. I hated them. Compare to Oreos. And then now, though, they're actually not bad. The hydroxes are okay. I don't know. I don't know when I've had a hydrox. If I had one as a kid, if I've even ever had one. I may not.
Starting point is 00:25:57 Can't remember who owns them now. It might be like Kroger, bottom up or somebody like that owns them now. Anyway. Tessered Dynamite says Hydrox is the one. worst name for a cookie. I disagree. Look up digestive. Yeah. Yeah. You British and your digestives. Oh my gosh. That is the worst name for a cookie. That does not feel like something you eat voluntarily. It feels like something your doctor prescribes for you. Is that called that because they got like fiber in it or something and they're good for digestion? I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. The British will have to explain yourselves. We don't understand how you people work. Yeah. How did that? Maybe maybe one of our
Starting point is 00:26:30 UK listeners could read and say, why do he, here's why they call them digestives. Yeah. We didn't leave because we wanted our independence. We left because of you guys calling a cookie a digestive. Exactly. Forget about tea prices. We want to start an own country. We could call a cookie a cookie. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:46 We get all hung up on the tea in the harbor and all that. Uh-uh. Right. It was your shitty cookies. All right. Final note before we get moving here, tomorrow, TMS Friday for patrons. You guys are going to want to be there because apparently Brian's prepared a little something cool. What are you doing to me tomorrow?
Starting point is 00:27:02 I have. I'm going to give you a movie, a Christmas. Christmas movie trivia quiz. Sweet. You know, what is, what's a home alone kid's middle name? Or how many floors did Hans fall down when Bruce Willis pushed him out of Nakatomi Plaza? I like it. Neither of those questions will be on the quiz, by the way.
Starting point is 00:27:25 So, oh, well. I had, for the first time ever, Kim, watched Bad Santa with me last night. Oh, nice. Did she like it? She loved it. Good. I wasn't sure. How's it going to go?
Starting point is 00:27:35 Just because that movie's very crass, very dark, very, you know, it's comedy, but it's dark, dark comedy. But it has some heart, and that's where it wins you over. So I think, I think she liked it on all those levels. But it is pretty weird to see a very sexually expressive Lorelei Gilmore. Oh, right, because it's, yeah, Lauren Graham. Yeah, it throws you a little bit at first. You're just like, oh, right, okay. Hello.
Starting point is 00:28:03 Hello there. she was on my laminated list for a while back in the I think she was it was a character that she played on Caroline in the City I think she made the rounds early on Seinfeld
Starting point is 00:28:18 she did like yeah she was exactly she was all over all those sitcoms and yeah she was the one on Seinfeld where her and her mother and law were trying to put Jerry make Jerry the highest quick dial on her phone oh right right moving up
Starting point is 00:28:34 list like the rankings yes you remember how well I watch that now and I just go quick die what are you guys like what an old what an ancient era like what are we even doing so crazy anyway she's really good on that too but I like her a lot and I think she brings a lot to bad Santa but it is shocking to see her in the situations where you're just like oh hello Lauren Graham this isn't quite what I'm used to from you anyway that's tomorrow be here If you're a patron, if you're not a patron yet, you could literally sign up today and then be here for TMS Friday tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:29:09 Yeah, it could be that quick. Sign up today. Listen to TMS Friday on Friday. Yeah, it's the only way you can get it. So please get in there and get that taken care of. Brian, let's dive into some news coverage here on our very news-focused product we make here. I don't watch the news.
Starting point is 00:29:27 Be neither, kid. It's the news, and it's brought to you by. Brought to you by Coverville, where I am furiously, I've got my entire team of people working on sussing out the best covers of 2024. The 40 best, to be specific. Right now we've got it pired down to 64 songs that are getting rated as we speak. I'm looking at the team right now, and there's paper, they're all over the place. They've all got those visors, not full-on hats, but just visors.
Starting point is 00:29:56 Sure. There's calculators all over the place. That guy's playing Gallagher. Um, but, uh, anyway, they're, they're all working scrambling, uh, to get this done. Won't be done today, though. Uh, so look for part one and part two to be released next week, part one early in the week, probably, um, Monday, uh, part two probably on Thursday. Nice. That's great. A little Christmas week, uh, drops like that. I like that. Exactly. A little Christmas bonus for you, two-part Christmas bonus. I like it. I'm in. You know who would like that?
Starting point is 00:30:26 Paul Hollywood would like that. Paul Hollywood would like that. Sorry. It's not giving somebody a soggy bottle. That's right. What? but hello too crispy hello uh hey here's a here's a story for you if you like flying um an airplane got grounded for four days because 132 hamsters escaped on board get these mother eff and hamsters off my mother effin plane cue the cue the samuel jackson line yeah great hamster hamster flight it's a lot of him think it was a key of soul no but i'll There's people of a certain age who will have no idea what that joke, what it means. Why the kiosol and hamsters are referenced together.
Starting point is 00:31:09 You all missed out on a very important cultural pinpoint of our lives. That's right. Exactly. And that's your fault. So you'll look it up. Anyways, granted for four days at a Portuguese airport when 132 hamsters escape from boxes in the cargo hold. The TAP Air Portugal flight from Lisbon to Ponta Delgada, I believe, airport. Ponte Elgada
Starting point is 00:31:32 Ponte Elgada Featured a full contingent of passengers As well as hamsters, ferrets, and birds On route to a big pet store deal That's how they get these around, I guess Flight ended up grounded in Ponte delgada When 132 hamsters were found to escape from the cargo hold Officials said the plane was kept to the airport
Starting point is 00:31:51 For safety reasons As the hamsters could pose a risk to the plane's electrical wires They chew through shit And they do, I had hamsters. They bite through everything. thing, so. Nah through, yeah, it's those teeth. They got to keep
Starting point is 00:32:02 working those teeth. Yeah, that's a movie I'd watch, though. Our plane went down. What from? They chewed through the wiring. Hamsters on a plane. Yeah, and then just
Starting point is 00:32:11 eat the hamsters instead of each other or something. Let's release the snakes. Those will get rid of the hamsters. Oh, no. Now we've got a snake problem. Birds, we need hawks. Oh, no, we have too many hawks.
Starting point is 00:32:22 Yeah. This is what humans do. We screw up the ecosystem. Right. Anyway, workers spent days scouring the plane for loose rodents and the Airbus A320 or 320 or A320, I guess, is how you'd say it, not an A320. Anyway, finally returned to Lisbon on Sunday. So everything's fine. All accounted for, I assume that the hamsters are alive and off to their destination. I don't know. I hope none of
Starting point is 00:32:49 them perished because it's not their fault that humans are weird. Put them in, you know, just put them in 132 little roller balls like those little plastic balls and have them go around the plane. great crashing into each other and they can't chew the wires it's like it's like that scene in planes trains and automobiles and the train breaks down and they all have to walk to the rest of the way put them all in little balls and say sorry it's just you know you're on the way to wichita or wherever the hell you're going you got to just got to visualize though the plane touching down and hitting the brakes and all of those balls going oh man imagine yeah all right now there's a Pixar movie in this.
Starting point is 00:33:28 That sounds fun, doesn't it? Yeah, it's sign up for that. Here's a story about New York men. Okay. New York men, Ian, we're looking at you, buddy. If you're out there, I am sci-fi. New York men die from pneumonia after using bat poop to grow marijuana. Yep, all of these things.
Starting point is 00:33:46 Like, it is such, boy, talk about your A to B to C headline. It makes perfect sense. I don't even need to know the story behind it. No, we actually, for once, this headline didn't bait us that just told us everything. Exactly. Well, of course you would die from pneumonia after use bat poop to grow marijuana. Of course. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:01 It seems like you're going to smoke that and it's from you had it in poo. Like, of course you're in trouble. Yeah. Two men from upstate New York have died from a type of pneumonia after eating or using rather bat poop to grow cannabis. These men who were based in a raw chair. Let's get the latest batch old chum. They developed fatal cases of histoplasmosis. Yikes.
Starting point is 00:34:25 Dr. Calhoun, or Dr. Calhoun, what am I saying? Dr. Who's our doctor? Tolbert? Tolbert. What's wrong with me? I just talked to him last night. He got this. Look at our code names and you'll see his name. Oh, right. That code names game I started and never finished. You didn't even start it. The first clue is to you and you haven't even selected words yet or selected codes yet. Oh, no, I thought I started it. It said, all right, it's off to so-and-so to make their things. and then I didn't know I was first.
Starting point is 00:34:58 Yeah, you're first. Well, they picked, they gave you a word and you just have to figure out the cards that go with that. Oh, shit. I may have left it in a very stupid state is what I've done. That's all right. That's right. Bay man, get the antihistoplasmosis spray. I like it.
Starting point is 00:35:14 Holy histismosis. Holy pneumonia. I can't believe how many girls were getting in the 60s by a being. Batman and Robin. This marijuana is a very rich batch. The Joker. This stanky, this stanky weed is really... Dank weed.
Starting point is 00:35:38 Do they still call it dank weed? Yeah, dink, yeah. Is that a thing still, I wonder with the kids? I'm sure they do still, yeah. Well, anyway, they were not named... It's not even 420. These were not named humans. These were not, they haven't said who they are yet,
Starting point is 00:35:53 but they have been using the droppings to fertilize cannabis plants. It is not immediately clear why they died, or when they died. Why is not a question. When is the question. Exposure to bat guano among cannabis growers appears to be a recent trend that can lead to histoplasmosis, cases, and outbreaks, says the University of Rochester researchers. In a recent report, bat poop is also known as guano. Yes, I just, bang yes, mariguana. Yep, mariguan.
Starting point is 00:36:19 Oh, good, just a big pole on a mariguanon cigarette. A little mariglano. Yeah. I got a little second hand from a neighbor yesterday. It's not legal here, obviously. But I knew what I was smelling. And I could see him over the fence and see them all sitting out there laughing around a fire pit. And where are they going?
Starting point is 00:36:39 No, it was more like, oh, I don't know how to describe this laughter. It wasn't typical, it wasn't stereotypical stoner laughter. It was more like, like. was it the Seth Rogen laughter? A little bit. Now that you say it. It was a little bit like that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:02 And they had Rogan weed over there. Rogan weed. But they're sitting there and it's notable because, A, I can smell it. Just get that sickly sweet smell you get from it. The minute you land in L.A. or Vegas, you smell it. But the, so I can smell that. And then they're around a fire.
Starting point is 00:37:19 So it's mixing with this like fire smell. like campfire smell and then I hear the they have a bug zapper going every few minutes and I don't know what bugs you're getting
Starting point is 00:37:30 in the middle of December yeah no kidding but they were it was buzzing so I don't know maybe they were getting some second hand those last those those bugs that haven't quite figured out that it's not winter right now
Starting point is 00:37:41 because it's too warm still still beautiful out there I'm looking at my the Coverville outdoor weather cam and acu the coverville ACU ecueather cam and it's just beautiful out right now green it feels like spring which is the it's gonna screw our trees up is it will because the trees don't know yeah the trees are gonna be
Starting point is 00:37:59 like wait what the eff are you doing this is what people don't think about see with the climate change and the whatnot that's right uh well anyway dumb people don't use baguano and your weed grow growing no no all right i was gonna catch the ridler but then i got high and then i but then i got huh oh that's but then i got high but then i got high but then i got high but then i got high But then you got high Was that your Robin? That was my Robin. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 00:38:25 But then you got high. Yeah, you got a little Casey Cason in there. The Burt Ward. It's the best Burt Ward I've ever heard. Oh, that's true. I was doing more of the, yeah, I was doing more of the Burt Ward squeaky voice than the Casey Kaysam. Oh, right. Hey, Batman, the top 40 are coming.
Starting point is 00:38:43 Here's one coming all the way from Schenectady, New York. It's so funny how he is in that. Our dog snuffles. He's all. also he's also shaggy he's also yeah uh he's one of the speed racer kids or not speed racer but uh buggy speed buggy speed buggy speed buggy i think did a lot of warner brother stuff i think we forget just how prolific he was in the voice acting world even though it was the same voice in all of them basically it's the same voice and they just somebody said i guess it kind of sounds like a kid okay let's give him shaggy and robin and you know i feel like we have a good modern day version of what he is and some people say it's the guy who now hosts yeah people say say, well, Sechrest is the closest thing you have to him. I would actually argue Sechrest is closer to Dick Clark. That's the comparison I would make is Dick Clark.
Starting point is 00:39:30 Yeah, but I would say, I mean, Dick Clark and Casey Kasem really two branches of the same tree. I mean, they both got their start in radio, both hosts for big franchises. I think the difference is, Dick Clark, very handsome and photogenic. You don't think Seacrest is. hands? No, he is too. He is two. That's what I'm saying. That's why those two are the same. I'm saying that Casey Kasem is kind of weird looking. He looks like a, it looks like a Muppet or something. Well, if you take, yeah, if you take looks out of it, then I think they're all cut from the same. Yeah. The same branch. Same era too, really.
Starting point is 00:40:07 Same era. Yeah. Well, except Sechrest, I guess he's a new version of that. Except for Seacrest. But I wonder if there was any hatred between Dick Clark and Casey Kasem. Like if there was a, oh, that'd be great. Like a competitive. of like a fight in a men's room somewhere in a hotel right exactly but it was like it was the most well uh well pronounced and articulate fight ever it wouldn't be a fight of fist it would be a well coming up i'm gonna give you a cross left into the into the side of your jaw
Starting point is 00:40:36 down a couple matches my fist in your face bandstand bandstand that's right but it do do do Kate, right. Dr. Callahood, Dick did TV as well. Dick Clark did, he also did a countdown, yeah. America's Bandstand was on TV. Well, so it was also radio, but American Bandstand became a television thing. He also did Dick Clark's Rock and Eve every year. He did Dick Clark's, or what was the home, no, bloopers, F-Uper's F-UPS and Screw-Ups. Oh, right with McMahon, foul-ups, bleeps and blunders?
Starting point is 00:41:10 Yeah, yeah. Bloopers, bleeps and blunders, I think it was right. And it was all like just bloopers and out. takes from TV shows and stuff and for a while there he had Ron or Ron Don Rickles on there sure and I remember as a kid I was which on which show it was the bloopers no no no is Ed McMahon not Don Rickles but Rickles I think showed up later I think he joined oh did you really like he really Rickles did that there was something like that something like I know and it made me not like Rickles then and I remember just hearing about that makes me not like Rickles oh man let's see
Starting point is 00:41:45 Rickles and Dick Clark. I never remember that. I stopped watching that show. You know, just like I stopped watching America's Funniest Home videos. Poor Bob Sagget, man, to have that be. That was a bummer. Yeah. Oh, here it is.
Starting point is 00:42:01 So I guess he showed up on all a Dick Clark shit. But I remember in particular, because we recorded that show. I don't know why we were so into it here. It's just so pre-internet, right? Now you get all the bluepers. It is so wholesome. I mean, it is. it's like wholesome family entertainment like the jokes were so bad though it just fell down on the
Starting point is 00:42:20 sled and yeah the jokes they would make in between i mean it was as bad as sagot stuff too it's just like that's right because it was yeah it was like uh here's here's linda evans messing up one of her lines on dynasty and then cracking up about it yeah and it just i don't know and the way they would just like try to fill time when there wasn't an actual blooper that's right oh here it is pranks it was pranks and stuff oh my god i find a dick van dyke no that's dick van dyke let's see here I was trying to find a scene There's got to be like Somebody's got to have an archive
Starting point is 00:42:49 Of phallops bleeps and blunders on Oh he started He can't he's tried to revive this in 2000 With something called Dick Clark's All New bloopers I don't think that went well No I don't think that lasted very long
Starting point is 00:43:04 But I just remember I remember going This Don Rickles guy And then but now he's one of Like I look back now He's my favorite comedians Like I've freaking loved Don So I'm looking at fallips, bleeps, and blenders.
Starting point is 00:43:18 It must have been something else. The Clark and Ed McMahon one must have been called something else. Because I'm looking at Fallips, bleeps, and blunders. And it's Rickles and Steve Lawrence. Oh, yeah. I'm looking at it, too. I've probably mixed these up. Let's see.
Starting point is 00:43:35 Fallips, bleeps, and blunders. That is the one. I'm going to give you a link to a YouTube video. This is fun for the, oh, TV's bloopers and practical jokes. Thank you, Rick. That's what the Dick Clark and Ed McMahon thing. Bloopers and practical jokes. You're right.
Starting point is 00:43:52 I have mixed those. I've conflated the two. Does, did he ever come on there? Why have I, why have I done that? Because to me, Dick Clark and Steve Lawrence are nothing like each other. I don't know how I've done that. No, but there's, you know, again, they're all from that same time period, right? These guys are all like.
Starting point is 00:44:14 Yeah. um appear on the roasts appear on love boat appear on the somebody's the donnie and marie's variety show all that stuff kind of missed that era i wasn't even like you and i weren't even like it wasn't even for us no it really wasn't but we were there as kids and we could see it happening on you know celebrity crossword or whatever the hell we were watching yeah and all these same people just parading in and out of each other's shit i don't know what it's like like like Today, what's the version of this? YouTube collaborations?
Starting point is 00:44:47 Like, I don't know. Yeah, it must be, yeah. Bubba Smith was on there, Don Adams. I'm going to have to watch an episode of, let me see how far I can get into an episode of TV's bloopers and practical jokes. Found a whole episode online. You should try it. I'm just going to see how much of it. Yeah, try it.
Starting point is 00:45:07 It's like, here's somebody just messing up a line on the show, Amen. All right. I'll say this. I'm going to say this. I'll bet. Here's my bet. you'll get one joke in and feel like leaving. I think that you'll stick it out longer,
Starting point is 00:45:22 but you'll feel like leaving a joke in. Yeah, yeah. Because it'll be so bad, it will land so poorly. And the canned laughter that they add will be so fake that you're going to go, oh, do I really? But you'll stick it out for a little longer. I'm sure I will. Yeah, okay.
Starting point is 00:45:37 Because we're doing it for science, right? We're doing for science. And you see that they're bringing Hollywood squares back because everybody's clamoring for Hollywood squares. did not know that who's who's in charge drew barrymore i think is the um producer and probably center square okay let's see here oh yeah see here all-star lineup um okay let's see cbs will kick 2025 off in a huge way on january 9th premiere of its reboot of hollywood squares uh let's see host is Nate burleson i think oh drew barrymore center square oh
Starting point is 00:46:14 neighborlinson yes okay here it is you get to pick and say I want to be center square now here's your great they've done this a bit
Starting point is 00:46:23 so they are doing this but this is perfect have it be mostly comedians that's the way to do this yes for sure so you got Jeff Ross Tyra Banks she's not but she's kind of funny
Starting point is 00:46:33 Whitney Cummings comedian Triumph the insult comic dog up in the upper square so the puppet Tiffany Haddish Thomas Lennon Chelsea Peretti Debbie Mazzer
Starting point is 00:46:44 Bobby Moynihan. You know what? I'm sort of in. Yeah. I've watched this. Here's the, here's the, here's the,
Starting point is 00:46:49 here's the, here's the, that they give, they've got the questions already, of course, questions are already given to the,
Starting point is 00:47:00 um, the, the, the, the, the two answers, the funny answer, and then the real answer
Starting point is 00:47:05 that they're supposed to give. Right. Um, and it's, it's just so damn cringy of like, uh, all right, well,
Starting point is 00:47:12 this, uh, this, something that all people keep in their side table. Well, I think it's a vibrating dildo. My Paul Lynn. But it was so scripted and cringy. It's like none of these comedians are actually coming up with their jokey answers on the spot.
Starting point is 00:47:32 Or when they did, and sometimes something would sneak through kind of improvy, and you could tell. You could feel it. Because everybody would crack up because they see that that's not on the sheet. Because they all have to have the same sheet because they don't know which square is going to get chosen. And so they all have to have the pairs of the pairs of answers. And Dr. Calhoun says match game is better than Hollywood squares on front meet? No, you are dead right. A match game, I feel like, is way more unscripted than Hollywood squares.
Starting point is 00:47:58 It's also more competition, you know, like this other thing is just an excuse to say, well, if it's that up upper square, we're going to hear the insult dog say something funny now and it's not really about the competition. Circle gets the square. Your pick. Match game was way better. I agree. That guy who writes jokes for the Oscars?
Starting point is 00:48:16 Does it seem like there's a bit of an uptick here with the... I know this happens every once while. It's like a pattern, but right now there's... Like, what's his name? Jimmy Fallon, not Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel, is hosting some new... Oh, yeah. Yeah, and then you got... We started watching, or I started watching.
Starting point is 00:48:37 Like, while I'm cooking or something, I'll have it on the background, so you can hear the trivia questions. But it's Lavar Burton hosting the trivia. Trivial Pursuit Game Show. Oh, yeah. Yeah, how is that? Every, everything out of Lovar Burton's mouth is like he's on stage for his one-man Hamlet. It's like, we're going to give you a question from the science and nature category.
Starting point is 00:49:02 Oh, my Lord. If you get it right, a hundred points will be added to your score. I love him, but I don't think I love that. You've got to watch a little bit of it. It's on the CW. you think you can watch it for free on the CW app. Okay, I'll check it out. Just give it two minutes, and you know what?
Starting point is 00:49:18 It might be some great audio for the show, as I say this, but it's... Have you seen any of that Colin Yost celebrity... Yes. Jeopardy, or not Celebrity Jeopardy, but whatever it is. We audition for it, and we didn't get picked. Oh, did you now? Yeah, me and Lori, Lori, who's been on Jeopardy, and Mark Whalen, we did the test. We all scored high on the test.
Starting point is 00:49:39 We did not get the callback. And Lori and I haven't talked to Mark Whalen about it, but we've been watching it. And we're all like, we would have so freaking killed it on this thing, man. Because it's like three, we are really three generations and it would have been really, really good to. That's why they didn't pick you, though. They want some dummies on there. Maybe. They want some dummies. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:01 Can't have everybody. They want somebody to go, eh, do a leapa. Do a leapa? Do a leapa? Do a leap? The way I look at it is, it's, it's, um, it's, um, it's, it's, um, it's, it's, It's not celebrity. It's pop culture trivia, and that probably leans into not being easier, but you're going to find people who are just nuts about that, so they probably have to be a little careful
Starting point is 00:50:22 about who they choose. I mean, basically pop culture trivia is what pub quizzes are. Very little on the academics, very little on the sports, very little on anything else. And that really fits with the vibe of a trivia team sending three of its members to play Jeopardy as opposed to the... Well, that would have been great. They should have done it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:41 They should have let us in. Maybe they still will. Maybe, you know, maybe we'll get a, we'll get reached out to at some point saying, all right, well, we didn't want you for the first season. We'd like you for the second. Yeah, get yanked by Yost. You know? That's right.
Starting point is 00:50:53 That's what we're talking about Jeannie. It is the pop culture Jeopardy with, on Amazon Prime with Colin Jost is the one we're talking about. Yeah. I do like how he ends each show by saying, we'll see you next time on pop culture Jeopardy, which is probably right now because you're probably just sitting there binging these. He's great. I like him a lot. He is great, yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:12 Those two, him and Jay are awesome. Boy, Scarlett Johansson did really well for herself. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she seemed to, seem to, she really, she really seemed to do it. She really seemed to do well for herself with that college, you know. Yeah, did all right. I think it may have gone the other way. Well, whatever, you know, I wonder if he and, do you think him and her ex get along,
Starting point is 00:51:33 Ryan Reynolds, you think they can talk and hang out and stuff? Oh, yeah, probably. Maybe. I forgot that she was with him, but, man. I think they're married for a minute. Were they really? I think so. I could be wrong on that.
Starting point is 00:51:46 I feel like, you know, that's coming in after your husband is a Nobel Prize winner and being like the follow-up husband. It's like, well, Ryan Reynolds always used to wash the dishes after dinner. Damn it. All right. Okay, I'm washing the dishes. I'm doing the dishes. I've got S&L in three hours.
Starting point is 00:52:06 Can I hurry? Give me out of here. Exactly. Exactly, yes. Ryan Reynolds and Scarlett Johansson married from 08 to 2011. Oh, three years. Wow. No kids. Just them doing it like rabbits.
Starting point is 00:52:18 So there you go. Don't tell Colin Joseph. No. He doesn't need to know any of that. All right. We'll just say joist kidding when we talk to him. Jost kidding. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:52:29 All right. Wendy's coming up right after this break. We've got to play a song, though, to get to her. So what do you got? Yeah, we're going to bridge the gap between news and Wendy with punk heroes. Bridge the Gap. They're coming back this spring with a brand new LP called Gainsayer. This is some Moroccan stuff, folks.
Starting point is 00:52:46 If you're familiar with this band, you'll really, really like this. This is produced by Bill Stevenson, and they've got a music video for this as well. The new song is called In The Throws. Here is, Bridge the Gap. The creature lurks within my bones, and I feel it lies in stars. It's the dark night of the soul. I'm the train that jump the truck. I can't negotiate or pity with a lizard.
Starting point is 00:53:39 deep inside of me. The gift of doubt this one that I am in the throes of giving up the ghost and the battle rages ever on. or the sea I've told there's something more like a bandit laid over a self-inflicted bullet hole
Starting point is 00:54:19 I tried to bargain and I'll bet but the phantom never eases his head clip on me the gift of self this squanders I am in the prose
Starting point is 00:54:34 of giving up the ghost Why, unwitting suffocation? I will not concede my life belongs to me And the battle rages on and on I drop my god and then you win A waiting real life to begin A one in twenty chance to beat the art We can't control what's in the past
Starting point is 00:55:10 A man makes plans and God just laughs What fate awaits the few Mark and disregard That God's with law I I'm praying I'm the ball and I'm down the matter door. I am the burning questions from across the floor.
Starting point is 00:55:49 Trapped under lock and key, I'm a combination known to none but me. I am the exiled in this desert of the free. The freaks The path to when this starts with me Only your static state of being At least for now That is the dream When you think of skyrocketing brands like Allo, Allbirds, or Skims,
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Starting point is 00:57:45 Do tell me again who that was. Sure. A band from Salt Lake City, Utah, recorded this album in Fort Collins, Colorado. The band is Bridge the Gap, and the new album is coming out in the spring. It's called Gainsayer. Check it out, but that's the first single, In the Throws.
Starting point is 00:58:03 Does Fort Collins known for like its studio recordings or anything? It's got a great studio there called the Blasting Room. Oh, I like that name. Yeah, it's a great, great studio name. That's awesome. But I wouldn't say they're known for it anymore than Los Angeles, really. All right. Well, there you go.
Starting point is 00:58:20 Good job, Salt Lake, and Fort Collins. Bridgett Gap, yeah. Who are we calling now, Wendy, that's who? Colin Wendy. Yep. For a last talk with Wendy. Oh, yeah. Before Christmas.
Starting point is 00:58:33 That's right. Let's see. We'll talk to her after Christmas. We'll talk to her on Boxing Day. Yeah, I would assume so. At least I would hope so. Oh, no, we won't. We're off. We're off that week. Never mind. It's our last Wendy of the year. Oh, it is our last Wendy of the year. We're... My life is a cesspool. I am so, so sorry. All right. This is just a little bit of therapy. It's a little therapy intro for you there. A person needs therapy.
Starting point is 00:58:56 What is that from? A movie I found, I forgot the name of the movie, but it has this British actress I really like. she's doing an American accent there but now I can't remember the name of the movie but anyway I was hunting around for like I was like you don't do something different at her last one of the year and so I found one personally sounds like they need therapy
Starting point is 00:59:13 yeah life is a successful yeah it's not good anyway hey it's it's my sister Wendy she is a real therapist helps people with real problems all the time and she comes on this show every week as often as we can have her and talks about cool ways of helping you people
Starting point is 00:59:29 at home Wendy we got, for our final one of the year, we got this email. Do you want to hear it or this text? Yeah, yeah, let's hear it. All right, we'll get right straight to it. For TMS and for Wendy's segment, Hey there, Froggers.
Starting point is 00:59:45 I have a topic for Wendy's, sorry, topic of discussion for Wendy. I've seen other chatter online about Disney and arrested development. We don't mean the show, we mean the concept. Right, specifically Disney adults. Disney adults. They're called. uh mostly or it says mostly is people blaming disney for turning society into perpetual children and how damaging it is to the future of society i personally think it's just another scapegoat
Starting point is 01:00:11 and you could have the same arguments about people overtly expressed uh sorry obsessed with video games anime sports or anything else i'd love to hear a professional opinion on it rather than just the noisy anti-disney internet crowd says this anonymous poster um this struck me as interesting because even if we, you know, we can get as specific about the Disney culture stuff as we want, but it really is a bigger, it's a broader question about when people sort of stop. I think there's a generation before us that we're like, all right, I'm now an adult, all of my quote unquote toys go away. I no longer read comic books.
Starting point is 01:00:53 I no longer go to Saturday matinee cartoons and I no longer care about action figures or whatever. But then a lot of Gen X comes along. We are heavily branded to with cartoons and tie-ins and serials and all this stuff. And we have a lot of nostalgia for all that sort of thing. So you have fully forged adults like Brian and I collecting a ton of Marvel, Star Wars, you know, video games, whatever it is. And I could see why somebody would accuse somebody of saying, well, you're just stuck, you know, you can't br-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b. because the opinion of some is that adults should be more mature somehow than that or whatever. I feel like we had had some real progress of getting away from this stupid idea that this is a problem, but maybe not.
Starting point is 01:01:40 So, Wendy, with that, throw it to you, how do you want to approach this entire discussion, this topic? Well, okay, so let's take a broad algorithmic view really quick. I did not know there was an anti-Disney internet crowd. oh yeah um there's an anti everything internet i assume so right but i feel like that's like punching an innocent don't get me start in the anti therapy Thursday internet crowd oh they're they're rough they are mean um yeah i mean i i get i get that right uh also like you're engaging in in this for a reason because sometimes okay when you talk to somebody in there like have you seen this thing and you're like, oh, I have seen that thing.
Starting point is 01:02:24 And you're like, okay, well, the algorithm has pinged us together and shared our, you know what I mean? There's a, there's a connectivity that can sort of occur. And then also, hey, what rabbit holes do I go down? You know. And this question is an interesting one because it's not one I have ever run into, ever on any of my online stuff, partly because I clearly am not a Disney person. I don't follow any of it. And when people go to Disneyland, I'm like, yay.
Starting point is 01:02:52 Like, I have very little feeling about this. And so I'm, like, learned a lot just reading this going, well, you know, the texture clearly has some skin in the game. Yeah, exactly. I have to wear eyeballs on the game, you know, so that's kind of fascinating to me. And then the other thing, like, Scott, what you were saying, like, here comes a new generation with, like, a different take. And that's, like, I guess, how progress works, right? You have a new sense of, well, you have a new fandom that brewed and was created. And I don't know, was Rosie the Riveter, everyone's fandom before that?
Starting point is 01:03:31 Like, I don't know what it was. Prior generations necessarily, did they have as much access? So would that have developed? And this is just human nature. You give a certain age group, certain things. And then as they grow, nostalgia is real, right? and that feeling of childhood joy and stuff. I think, you know, obviously branding has played a role.
Starting point is 01:03:53 Do you connect to that? Okay, so let's say Disney is that for you. Actually, I think I sent this to you, Scott, and I don't know if you saw it, but it was a Gen Zier talking about, this ties into what we talked about last week, a Gen Zier talking about, like, you're going to criticize the active drill,
Starting point is 01:04:14 active shooter drill kids who spent hours and hours of their school lives preparing for a shooter. You want us to cry about one CEO being shot in the street. Right? And that is a really apt example of this same concept of like you are exposed
Starting point is 01:04:31 to certain things that the generation before you is not and what sticks or what is part of the other generation will criticize which is the irony. Anyway, okay, so So you got Disney.
Starting point is 01:04:46 So let's just talk about what Disney does for people. What does Disney think about it outside of these other options, like sports, anime games? Like I think that they're right, that as if Disney was like, you know what I'm going to do. I'm going to make everyone into children. They're tapping into something versus, I think, creating it. You could say some of it's created, I guess. But it wouldn't have worked. No one would have bought into it, you know.
Starting point is 01:05:12 Sure. And that's true for games, anime, sports, anything else you might be really into, you're going to have something. So let's just take Disney, though, specifically. What is Disney? What are elements of Disney? I can speak to this because I don't consider myself a full-fledged Disney adult, but I'm still the type that likes going to Disneyland. I still like, I'm going to see a Disney movie tonight. So it's, it's, but it's no.
Starting point is 01:05:43 different than really any other franchise that's got characters that I like and that I care about. As a matter of fact, it's no different because Marvel is now part of Disney. So it's exactly got another franchise that I like and care about. But I don't know. I'm a fan of the rides, the experience. If we're talking Disneyland, I still enjoy Space Mountain. I still enjoy Thunder Mountain I still enjoy a lot of that stuff
Starting point is 01:06:13 the gardens of the galaxy drop ride stuff like that and the whole experience that they come up with around that it's not just
Starting point is 01:06:21 metal bars that you're walking to until it's time to get on the ride it's the experience around it but but I don't know
Starting point is 01:06:31 you know I don't have Mickey Mouse stickers all over my car I don't have I've looked down really quick. A bunch of Disney T-shirts.
Starting point is 01:06:43 I've got a few, a couple of them, Stitch, because I do like the character's stitch. But I'm trying to figure out what the line is between me and a so-called, quote-unquote, Disney adult. Yeah, because there... And not that there's anything wrong with being a Disney adult. I mean, if I like it to this degree, what's wrong with somebody liking it more than I do?
Starting point is 01:07:02 Well, that's actually the meat, that's the meat on the bone here, right? Like, is it a problem for anyone? Why can't someone, like I have neighbors who every day wear some sort of Disney branded shirt who wear hats all the time that look like they're literally at the park and they're just here living their life and that go to Disneyland and have some kind of deal where they're going four or five times a year to Disneyland and they always go all in and it's insane and they cry when they leave. Mitzula is there right now as a matter of fact. I think he sent me some video yesterday from the park. He's picking me up a couple of lightsaber crystals and stuff. stuff like that. So, you know, he's one of these people that does manage to go lucky enough to go a couple times a year and loves it. Yeah. And there's going to, and obviously there's
Starting point is 01:07:44 different levels of fandom out there. And so they're all whatever they are. But I look at that and just go, okay, it's their thing. Why is it a problem that it's their thing? So this is where I, this is where I break on almost anything. If they're doing something, if they're shooting people, that's a problem for society. If they're throwing stuff off a tall buildings in the middle of a city, That's a problem for society. It's a big problem. Yeah. If they're getting a bunch of puppies in a box and burning them, that's a problem for society.
Starting point is 01:08:14 But if they're going to Disneyland a lot and they're way into it and make sure they go to the movies and get the best seats and they buy all the merch and everything, where is the problem? Yeah. They're not making you do it. They're not making, you know, the people complaining about online. They're not making you enjoy Disney. They're enjoying it for themselves and why can't they? And so that's why I think this whole subject is actually not really about Disney. It's about people trying to control other people's wants and desires.
Starting point is 01:08:42 Exactly. Like, there are people that get irritated by somebody else being very into a thing because they're not into it. They don't see that. Okay, so why? Why do you guys think that exist? I think that's, um, I think, is it a jealousy thing that, man, I wish I liked something as much as that lady likes Disney.
Starting point is 01:08:58 Like, is it, is it a jealousy thing or? Maybe. I think it's a control thing. I think people like to feel like their opinions are right and they want everyone else. to acknowledge that and also say that their opinions are right. So I think it's a form of a very basic primal form of human control is to want everybody else to adhere to your worldview. And this goes deep and wide.
Starting point is 01:09:24 It can be about fandoms. It can be about politics. It can be about gender issues. It can be about a million things. But if it doesn't adhere to your particular worldview, you will sometimes fight to force others to see it. And, you know, look at most of the reasons most wars start. It's because somebody believes a certain way and a culture that they're trying to convince it doesn't and what happens you fight.
Starting point is 01:09:47 So I think it's that. This is like primal bull crap we do. It's a control issue in my mind. But Wendy, are either of us correct? Well, I want someone to get a whiteboard out and write a column for Scott's column. It's control for Brian's column. It's jealousy. and I think both points can sort of be made
Starting point is 01:10:07 and I'm going to give a that actually incorporates both of them a little bit it actually explains the why of both of those we both win you both win everyone gets a trip and everyone's saying every by the way everybody especially Wendy and I are saying both today not both oh yeah you guys both said both we both Noel the L is gone noel who says both with L's do I do that you did before you moved and I did.
Starting point is 01:10:34 You and Scott both did. I do it all the time. It's something about how we were raised. I don't know. Now I have to like focus to say that. That's interesting. How does you say? But I can say,
Starting point is 01:10:44 oop, anytime now, I want to hear you say I have to wait for the gym. Or no, I have to wait for the train. Say that phrase. I have to wait for the train. Okay, you did all right. She knew exactly what you tried to get her and say.
Starting point is 01:10:56 Yeah. She over-emphasized the word wait. Yeah. Yes, I did. I did. So my sweet youngest child picked up a waint from me and says it cannot stop. And then he also picked up instead of saying until, in Swedish, she would say till, T-I-L. And he, as a little kid, just said, tills.
Starting point is 01:11:16 So he is 12 walking around going, well, I'm not going to go there tills. We get the phone call. I love it. You can't say it like that. And then he says, wait. And then he's picking up Midwestern. It's a problem. I love theater so much.
Starting point is 01:11:29 Oh, my gosh, that's great. Um, okay, so yeah, let me, let me do some like, this, this will be the background. We leave the view together. Yeah, we're going to weave it together. And those are, those are the sort of outward forms or emotional responses that you're going to get. But those are defense mechanisms. Jealousy is a defense mechanism and control is a defense mechanism. Okay.
Starting point is 01:11:53 And so let's, let's talk about what might really be happening. I think Disney in particular, uh, what I like about Disney. is Disney has truly created a customer-centric, like creating a joyful place for people? How often, I mean, could the airlines take a freaking note? You know what I mean? Like, what would it be like if we had more spaces where our comfort, I mean, granted, it's to make money and they do make a ton of money,
Starting point is 01:12:25 but there is so much to it that is aesthetics, design, the way you're moved through spaces, you know, I might want to go as an adult without kids just to see if it is more pleasant because it's so much more fun as an adult without kids. Yeah, so I can see why, you know, there are Disney adults going, like, have you guys been here without little people crying? That's amazing. Okay. But so put that into the context of, you know, they've created something that does a very good
Starting point is 01:12:54 job at reducing stress. I mean, think of like how clocks are used in that space. I'm sure there are all sorts of secret handbooks about how this works, right? Yeah, it's kind of like casinos, right, where the floor is super confusing and over-patterned and there are no clocks and the windows are all tinted so you can't tell what time it is. Very similar things with Disney where, I mean, the most obvious one is every ride ends locking you through the gift shop. Go buy a toy based on the experience that you just had on Space Mountain. Yeah, they don't mess around. But there is an overall pleasant childlike sort of wonder, surprise, music design.
Starting point is 01:13:35 Like, even the old stuff is, yeah, yeah, that's the gig, right? I mean, think of the origin of it, right? It was just this, like, farmland in California that had nothing. Yeah, and they just dug out a river first and made, I mean, it's incredible when it really, like, go through the history. Okay, so all that being said, what did. does it tap into, you know, Disney probably himself had, you know, the vision and all the skills and ability to get this to fruition. But this comes from a pretty young, youthful, playful space. I don't know his childhood, but I actually should have looked that up before him. Anyway,
Starting point is 01:14:18 okay, so I'm just going to, you know, I have a hammer. So here's the nail that I'm seeing, is that when people are mad at that, right? When they're struggling. to understand. A, you can have the thing where you don't understand something because it is so disconnected from you, but that's usually going to create a little curiosity, especially if it's not harmful, right? So if I have no context for Disney, I'm from a different country, and I'm like, what is this phenomenon? And I could just be curious, like, Americans do weird things. And you're just sort of open because it's not in your frame of reference. But when you are not open to something, And that's when people need to actually be the most curious.
Starting point is 01:14:58 Like, whoa, what is happening for me that I feel anti this or that, right? Okay. So I think the Disney one has a specific one because it's so childhood-based. And if people didn't have childhoods like they do, I'd have no job. Because childhood has a massive impact on development of self and sense of how the world works. All of that stuff. Okay. So real quick, have either of you seen Inside Out 2?
Starting point is 01:15:25 yet no yes i have it bro i've been on it i know i've been putting it off streaming now on disney plus i've been putting it off because i know i'm in for an emotional thing and i'm just i don't know i just haven't been you not want to make carter cry what's the matter with you oh i'll definitely yeah she and she'll avoid it because she knows i know that but yeah it's yeah it's so good and a great illustration of like oh puberty really works it's really great anyway um okay so the idea though that is you know your sense of self-fi is developing with these various experiences and these various thoughts of like, who am I? Am I a good person? Am I not? And, you know, spoiler alert, it's developing a sense of self,
Starting point is 01:16:05 okay? And so when a kid is going through life and there is something really traumatic that happens, it could be abuse, it could be sort of chronic mom's never okay and I'm always having to take care of her or dad's anger or violence or scarcity of actual resources. and things, you know, emotional neglect, I got left at school. It can be small and it can be big, right? But you have these adult, I'm putting this in quote, adult problems put on a kid, okay? Yeah. And what that does is it burdens the child.
Starting point is 01:16:39 And they have to adjust or adapt in order to survive that burden that's been placed on them. Sometimes it's a one-off burden that now makes you scared of snakes forever or something, right? But often it can be like a chronic systemic thing that happens because of the neighborhood you're in, because of the family you're in, et cetera. And so this burdened kid, I want you to think of it as like the little innocent carefree kid got stuck and the burdened child now has a bunch of protective responses
Starting point is 01:17:09 that come to play. So these would be, in using my same terminology, some defense mechanisms, right? And so the kid at school who gets whatever they want for Christmas and seems to have no problems in the world while you are struggling and you know your parents can't afford something. That is an adult worry in a kid world.
Starting point is 01:17:29 And so are you going to just be your playful, happy self? No, you're probably going to be a little bit more protected and probably a little ticked off at that kid because that is the protective response. The person who is having a good time over there, I can't. For the same reasons they're having a good time, the opposite is true for me. Okay. So the amount of vulnerability or innocence or openness or curiosity, it's just hard to access that for someone else who's swimming in money while you are going without or whatever the burden may be or their loving family and your family just screams at home all the time, right? So whatever it is, you've got this sort of closing ranks situation internally trying to protect you from the harm that is, you know, being face to face.
Starting point is 01:18:19 with I'm not safe, I'm not lovable, I'm not okay, whatever the messaging of these burdens have put on you and your identity is sort of developed around. So this is complicated. My part of the whiteboard needs to be much longer than your part. So I apologize. But okay, so then we go on in life and we start developing stories about ourselves and like, okay, I'm going to just work really hard or I'll get better grades than everyone else or I will figure out other ways I'm going to be okay, and I start to build my life around some of those things. And some of those things have to be more serious, right? Like, they're not playful kid things.
Starting point is 01:18:58 These are, I have to work to help pay, help my mom pay the rent. Like, that is a burden on a kid that theoretically we would all say, well, that shouldn't be there. You're too young to have that happen. But what it means is I start to develop seriousness, seriously. or or parts of me that are really like I'm going to be the best at this or driven or I'm angry or whatever those responses might be they don't they're not fun happy games okay so we go along and then Disney comes along and is this option to go and be a kid and to like sort of play and not be all serious um you take the movies they're obviously you know the history of
Starting point is 01:19:45 Disney is like, let's teach a little moral lesson and show it in this fun way. Like, there is some losing yourself in a childhood kind of space. And I think for some, they may be getting access to that free little unburdened kid by doing it, right? They might be playing in a way they, because it's orchestrated. Yeah, it's orchestrated for them. They can maybe now afford it or do it for themselves. So it could be really healing for people to have that.
Starting point is 01:20:15 that childhood play. And then for others, think of that kid is just locked away. And so anything that looks like too much play or too simple or too carefree can also feel really annoying and threatening. And that might be like, I don't understand why someone is acting so childish and hanging out at Disneyland when what should they be doing? And then fill in the blank with the thing you think is an appropriate adult behavior based on your opinion and your right um and so that's i think there's like a fundamental
Starting point is 01:20:48 variance that happens with childhood specific things so he man you know i watched he man a million times right like that just brings me like it makes me laugh if someone quotes anything from it or if i see his like his weird haircut or that great um fly to the concords when they're in london Have you ever listened to their London live? Oh my gosh. It's so good. It's just drop what you're doing. Anyway, he talks about He-Man.
Starting point is 01:21:17 He's like, He-Man, double-masculine. Anyway, it's just like going to bring me joy because it's connected to some fun, playful part of my childhood. Am I going to make my whole personality about He-Man? No, but that's mainly because I don't need it to be. And some people might need it to be. It brings comfort. It gives identity. it does a bunch of things that might have been missing or got smashed or got, you know,
Starting point is 01:21:46 just needs some nurturing. And so that's what's happening. Someone else might be having the exact flip reaction of like, no, if I'm acting childless or child like I will be punished because when I was a child, I was punished. So there's a deeper thread maybe for everyone. And I also might just be overdoing it because I'm a therapist. Yeah. Could be.
Starting point is 01:22:09 Um, yeah, I just, um, my, my, my, the nagging feeling I have in the back of my head is that when you're a kid, so let's go back to when you're a kid. We have some more of our sort of baseline behaviors come out. So you see a kid, he's, you've got a Nintendo. He has a Sega. And you're like there's this weird competition now. You've picked sides kind of. Unfortunately, those sides were decided for you. Um, marketing told you you were supposed to fight each other. Which one was better. What does intend don't? Yeah, you bought into that because you're a kid and you think that's how things really are. And I just see this stuff as an extension of that same primal, well, I did one thing and you're not doing what I did. So therefore, we're opposite and why. And now I'm mad at you. And unless you change to be like me, I'm not going to be like you. And that scales all the way up to, you know, religious strife in this world or major factional changes. Or the division in this country politically or whatever it may be it's like that same problem just blown
Starting point is 01:23:15 up and the way i look at it is especially for something like this it's like let them have their thing it's okay it's not hurting anybody and you might say well they're just feeding into the capitalistic system that is disney all right yeah they're not hurting me though let them do it i'm i do the same thing with a couple other things i'm i have no room to talk you know yeah like i was i was looking at my steam you know how you do the spotify wrap up in the air and stuff like that. Yeah. Steam, which is the PC gaming platform.
Starting point is 01:23:43 They did it today. It's called their replay. Apparently, I played 600, here's my sheet. I put it up for listeners to see when you might be able to see it too on your phone. I don't know. Anyway, 361 games played, a whole bunch of other data, including 238 of those are new games. Now, that sounds insane. All right.
Starting point is 01:24:06 Admittedly, I go into these things and I play like an arcade kind of. beat everything i'll touch this touch that review it completion in the in each game yeah and i have a show to talk about all this on so the reason i do it there's business reasons but all of that but the truth is i absolutely love that world um you know we can blame dad for for getting us all into it because of the freaking arcades in the house and stuff like that but um whatever the reasons like this is this is a thing that i love from top to bottom i love the creation i love the the weird politics of the gaming business and how screwed up it is and it's fun to cover that
Starting point is 01:24:42 the games themselves, the creativity, the changes happening now with AI and other stuff. Like, this is my world. I love this stuff. Somebody's probably hearing me say this going, lame. What a waste. He should be golfing every weekend like me
Starting point is 01:24:58 and spending that $300 a week. Because that game isn't a, that's a man's game. Yeah. An adult game. That's what you usually find out. chasing a tiny ball. That's what I usually find out. I take a beer while you play it.
Starting point is 01:25:09 It's like people who are being critical that way are the same people who have their things and expect everyone to be cool with their things, whether it's whatever, golf or, I don't know, whatever they're into. Yeah. Well, I think there's another factor here that let me throw in that might be helpful. I think people are uncomfortable with how the world changes as they age as well, right? Like, it gets scary to them. I had a recent conversation with some family reconciliation after the election. And so I'm excited.
Starting point is 01:25:43 Some of that work is starting and, you know, just helping people understand each other a little better. And this, you know, the parents are quite old and they, you know, have seen a lot of life. And I spent some time just like congratulating them on navigating how much the world has changed since they were young. like that's a lot and and that change when we grip it to like it was only good when I was seven you know I think that's part of it the simpler easier um way to wrap your head around something is when you felt good and as things change and it's different and it doesn't make sense to you or you know your grandkids are like you can't say that anymore grandma you're just like but what can I say you know you start to have a it's hard to adjust to that so there is a maybe gripping on i need to have
Starting point is 01:26:34 things make sense and what i don't understand is someone who wants to play that many video games there's no way that can be a serious person in my community my community must be going to to crap if there's a guy around the corner who plays this many video games well of course you don't understand how the world even works in that new thing and so you're going to you know, here's a good family man to raise some great kids and there's a grandpa who plays video games, which is like every kid's dream. And it's because it's, I'm not going to judge the things you care about. And people are judging things other people care about often because it scares them. It, it either hits there. I can't play and be a kid. I was forced into the
Starting point is 01:27:17 workforce where I had to let all of my inner child joy die so I could pay the bills to feed my family. So there's maybe resentment that way or there's just, hey, the world is changing. I don't understand it. And it scares me. So I am going to find a thing to make fun of. So I'm going to tell a story. And I know my mother-in-law does not listen to the show. She used to, but I'm going to tell it anyway. So I hope she doesn't listen to this one because it's out of all due respect. But it was the funniest moment. And it was an exact example of something has changed and you just don't see yourself in the change or the story and it's okay so we're we had to rent a big old SUV so we could fit them in the car with us when we were together for Thanksgiving and at the
Starting point is 01:28:04 end of you know you turn the car off and this enormous picture of a car seat pops up on the screen and is like alarm do you have your child for very good reasons as we all know right also this thing is a bus I can't even see the backseat Okay. And so this happens. And my mother-in-law, you know, from this is a woman who brought all of her children home sitting wrapped in a blanket like a like a burrito on the front seat of a car. That's how she, those were the car seat she started out with, which were none. Okay. And, you know, eventually had car seats, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, she just had her impulse was to make fun of that. Her impulse was to say like, who would ever leave their kid in a car? As if that means, who are these horrible parents, you know, blah, blah, blah. And it took a point, what, three seconds for all of her children to share a story about how she left them somewhere? It was amazing. Like, hey, remember when you left Ben at a random gas station in Ohio for two hours when he was five?
Starting point is 01:29:19 And do you remember? And it was relentless and so funny. and she's like, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I guess I can understand how someone could leave a kid in a car seat. And we were like, and also you had no car seats to leave them in. They just got out, you know, like, you know, it was really one of those, like, generational moments of like, whoa, everyone should just be careful what you're criticizing. Because if you don't get it for your context, that's because you've been away from it for a long time. And so you don't quite understand it.
Starting point is 01:29:48 I don't think, like, when I'm looking at this email or the email, it's like, people blame Disney for creating this. I just, yes, I guess Disney has a lot of power, but I don't, that's not the chicken. That's the response to figuring out that people also need a way to express themselves that feels really wholesome, very fun, very, you know. Sure. And the curated pieces of that they do such a good job of. Yeah, does it make them billions of dollars? Yeah, it does. If we want to talk about, you know, the economics of such things, that's one thing.
Starting point is 01:30:23 But there's people are just tapping into what people sort of need, right? And yeah, so we're scared or it really is something we can't access so it feels threatening. So I would say it kind of fits with both of what you're saying. I just don't feel like it's as nefarious as your control theory is. Yeah, I mean, maybe not. Maybe it's a little extreme. But I just think it's like little micro versions of that, like a micro dose of control. Or what you'll see is like, somebody get on the news in the 90s and go,
Starting point is 01:30:53 a mortal combat is going to destroy our children. And most of us could look at the news and go, you don't know what you're talking about. And then we're done with it. And what you would have is probably a bunch of people listen into that and going, yeah, they're right. It is the work of the devil. I can't believe mortal combat exists.
Starting point is 01:31:08 But we didn't hear from them because they didn't have a megaphone. Yeah, they didn't have a megaphone to talk to us. Now they do. Right. Good point. all of them do everybody with any inkling of an opinion on the matter has a megaphone and so that to me is the key difference today um and the obvious difference and that difference is enough to make things seem worse or seem less uh or seem more you know what i mean like it just has this artificial
Starting point is 01:31:36 has this artificial thing going on with it i notice it being done to me when i'm on like ticot and ticot knows that I just watched a horror movie. I just watched Smile 2, which I really enjoyed or recommend it soon. But I just watched that. And sure enough, because a lot of your links and your stuff is going between browsers and other stuff, it knows what I've seen recently.
Starting point is 01:32:01 And so it starts to feed me in the algorithm videos about that movie, behind the scenes, talking to this actor, why they did this. Here's the director. Here's the scene I forgot about and somebody making commentary. And they just start kind of showing up. I think it's really important to be mindful that you are being, you are being targeted, targeted.
Starting point is 01:32:19 And you don't even take it as like nefarious, just that that's how the tech works. And know that so that you're not going, oh, man, my impression is that the whole world's like me. We all love a thing at the same time. Obviously, because I'm getting all this stuff. No, it really just came down to you. You just watched it. So they're giving you stuff they think you want to see right now. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:32:38 Yeah. That's it. Do you remember when mom got a Kindle and she was so worried about putting more books on it? because she was, it was going to get heavy. Heavy. Yeah. It was one of my favorite stories to tell. I told, I think the first place I told it was on the show, but she, she was like, oh,
Starting point is 01:32:52 I can tell it's heavier now. I put these extra books on it. And I was like, and the worst part about it is we found, I went and researched it. And there's truth to it, but not perceivable truth. Not in a noticeable. No, there's no way. It's like quantum level. It's quantum level.
Starting point is 01:33:09 There is weight to data, but it's so minuscule that no human's going to be able to tell. You could put six billion books on that thing If it would hold them, maybe it would And you'd never notice that it was heavier or lighter But the fact that she was right scientifically pissed me off She never needs to know that by the way Yeah, she was right at all I don't think I told her
Starting point is 01:33:31 Okay, so when this, and you guys have kept up with so much That maybe this doesn't happen very often But it is coming for everyone, this same thing And it came from me the other day because Abe got me addicted to this stupid. It's like Tetris, but nothing moves. It's like block something. And my brain was trained on Tetris.
Starting point is 01:33:55 So when I play this game, you don't get to manipulate the shapes or move them directions. You just have to work with what exists. And there is no amount, I mean, I guess I could do this for the next 20 years and see if I can retrain my brain. But my brain is trained on Tetris. And as I'm doing this game, I'm like, oh, okay, well, I guess my generation is showing. Like, I can't do it. And that feeling is hard, right? It's hard to lose touch or it's hard to think you know how the world works and you don't.
Starting point is 01:34:28 And you take all the people who were parents in the 90s and were watching their kids play these games. And there's three sources of news. They were being told the same thing because it, you know, it got everyone's attention. and so they but their sense already was that this game is taking my kid away from me okay and then I'm told it's really scary and bad I'm going to buy into that I'm going to try to restrict it I'm going to you know whatever you did then with your parenting and honestly it's a generation showing itself it's trained in Tetris right and then you give them one million sources of news and they don't know how algorithms work they don't know how any of the tech works
Starting point is 01:35:07 And the belief is similar to like, I'm being told the truth. And so when I'm working with this family and we're talking about their news sources and why they would never see any news confirming that Donald Trump had raped someone, it's because their news feed never showed them that. They never ever got to see. And they were like, well, I heard rumors. It sounds outrageous to them to them. Like they hear that and they just go, oh, now you're having now you're doing this. 100% Because what country do we live in
Starting point is 01:35:41 that we would elect someone who was an actual rapist is just, and they're using all their framing from decades and decades of its women's fault, decades and decades of what was she wearing,
Starting point is 01:35:51 decades and decades of, there's no way only good people, only good white men are in power in their minds, right? And really that flip of they didn't trust video games, it's the same generation that solely trusts Fox News
Starting point is 01:36:07 or so, like it ruins their brain the way they were worried video games would ruin theirs. And that's because the technology changed on them, but their brain never updated to. I shouldn't only get one source that is a, it's going to just make me scared of everything. So I think it attaches to this thing, right, where we get scared of change or we get scared of risks.
Starting point is 01:36:29 There's other things that start happening as we get older. And new kids always come along, these youngans with their fan dangled ideas. And this has been happening for a long, long time. I think the big difference, though, is we actually listen to kids now and kids also have a microphone. And so the fact that any generation has been fighting with another is both not totally real, obviously. It's an online phenomenon. It's not like, you know, grandparents are punching millennials when they walk by.
Starting point is 01:36:58 But the perception is that it is all that's happening, right? So we have some differences that, you know, none of us are developmentally. able to really handle so yeah good luck to us all that's the truth good luck to us all god bless us everyone i just watched another one of those um well that's interesting i this this to me i don't know why it just strikes at the base of a lot of our problems for me uh by we i mean it's yucking the ums it's you know yeah and sometimes as adam puts it it's the inshittification of the internet yeah adam's right right i don't know the last time you went on a public feed on facebook but it's the stupidest stupid stuff I've ever seen in my life.
Starting point is 01:37:40 I don't think most of it's human beings. Most of it's garbage AI with old people saying it's beautiful. That's it. That's the internet now. Half that noise. That sucks. Yeah. Don't want that.
Starting point is 01:37:51 No. Right. Let's go to Disneyland. Yeah. It's go to Disneyland. Yeah. Just wish it wasn't so damn expensive. Disney adults for a day.
Starting point is 01:37:58 I'll get my stitch shirt, Tina grab her feeling magical t-shirt. That's my only, my only beef is how expensive it all is. I hate that. God, it really is. So expensive. Anyway, what are you going to do? Like, the original tickets for that place? What, like $10 a person?
Starting point is 01:38:13 Oh, insane. Yeah, but you had to buy, like, the tickets to get, and then you had to separately buy the tickets for the ride. So, I mean, yes, it was cheaper, but probably with inflation stuff, probably not that. Yeah. Probably not drastically cheaper like it appears to be.
Starting point is 01:38:27 It's like micro-transactions. When you look at the origin, like the very first video footage of Disneyland, and you understand the background scene, I mean, everywhere were workers trying to patch crap together, and it was not ready. And do you know how it was funded? The actual building, they did not have enough money to complete Disneyland. The Nazis.
Starting point is 01:38:49 No, I mean, that makes sense. That would totally, like, be an obvious one. Boot starter. No, it's, what's the guy with the hat? They produced the show with the... Daffed punk. With the hat. You know that there's so many hats, the raccoon, the raccoon hats.
Starting point is 01:39:10 Oh, yeah, like, Daniel Boone. Baby Crockett, yeah, that Daniel Boone, that whole thing was like. It was everything was sponsored. Right, it was the mutual of Omaha space ride and the Tropicana Orange Juice, this. And saving, taking the money that came from the sell of the hats, the proceeds from, that was the only reason we have to Disneyland is he had to fund it with another project he was not even excited about, apparently. Yeah, that Tomfoyer Island was, it was huge when the place first opened. Like, it was a big attraction. And now it's where you go to hide from your kids.
Starting point is 01:39:45 And this is where I would love, I'd love some time travel where we could take Walt Disney and take him right now and say, here is the place that you built. Like, it's just incredible, right? Like, I don't know. Who else would have future, whoever invented the train, you know? Come look at a train in Japan, dude. Yeah. You want to see a train? Holy shite.
Starting point is 01:40:06 That's right. Yeah. Those people know what they're doing. All right. Well, this is good stuff. I hope everybody takes it to heart. Great discussion for the Christmas holiday. Maybe forget about critical people around you for a little bit here.
Starting point is 01:40:17 Enjoy your holiday. And Wendy, you got any big plans for the? Yes. Yeah. I do. My plan is for everyone to go to KNOW Better You. Use a letter. No Better You.com.
Starting point is 01:40:30 And we fixed the landing page, sort of. And so put in your email in the, The next week, I'm going to start sending emails out, and they will be not obnoxious, I promise. Yeah, so it's coming soon. NobetterU.com. That means N-A, like she said, K-N-O-W, better, and then the letter U. dot com and go sign up. And I bought a bunch of the other one, so it should get you there if you're like N-O-B-B-B-B-B-E-B-E-B-E-B-E-O-B-W-U.
Starting point is 01:40:56 Oh, that's a good idea. That's smart, actually. Yeah. Well, well done. It should all rewire itself. Hopefully, if not, somebody, please send me a message. Yeah. Find a combination that doesn't work.
Starting point is 01:41:06 Let Wendy know at No Better You. Thank you. Admin at No Better You.com. Yeah, no, I'm very excited. Also, we're doing our annual watching all of the extended versions of the Lord of the Rings. Nice. And so speaking of algorithms, all my algorithm thinks I do is watch Lord of the Rings. So there was one, and I will find it and share with you.
Starting point is 01:41:27 If anyone has a question about, yeah, it's about the lesson from Lord of the Rings. and men's relationships. And it's so good. And I realize I've been exposing my kids to this show for this, you know, show, this movie for their whole lives. And how interesting the dynamics actually are. You just don't, you know, clearly there's no women who talk to each other in the movie. But in male relationships, there's some really some cool lessons to learn. So I would love to do an episode on like the influence of certain things.
Starting point is 01:42:04 on dynamics for people. Anyway, I could send it to you, Scott, so you can see it. Yeah, let's do it. That's all my algorithm shows me is cool things about Lord of the Rings. Yeah, and that'll happen for a while until you're not watching it anymore. And they'll move on to whatever's next. You're watching Yellowstone. And then it's like, here's where you can buy a horse.
Starting point is 01:42:19 Yeah, here's the time Kevin Costner spit on a camera crew guy or whatever. 20 things you didn't know about Kevin Costner. That's right. None of which you really needed to know. Wendy, have a fantastic week and Christmas. We'll obviously talk to you right around Christmas, but give our best to the kids and everybody and we'll talk to you soon. Bye now. Bye.
Starting point is 01:42:38 Bye. Merry Christmas. All right. Brian, we did it. Yes, sir. We did it. I have confirmation that we did it because I know. You get the little achievement unlocked thing popping. Popped right up.
Starting point is 01:42:54 Yep, finally got that achievement. I don't have to play this particular day ever again. Oh, thank goodness. Thank goodness. We're done with it. But we do have some stuff coming up. So core at noon today so if you're uh you want to get the latest and the greatest me john and beau meeting up about noon so about an hour and 10 minutes from now uh so come check that out uh as brian mentioned with coverville next week early next week yeah keep just basically keep your eye out um go to twitch dot tv slash coverville and just click the little button that says notify me when brian goes live because i will go
Starting point is 01:43:23 live i will play a marvel snap deck while i'm doing the show and you guys can listen to the best covers of the year. Nice. Still a Play Retro on Friday, and of course this show for patrons, TMS Friday, will be tomorrow morning at 9. Join now and you can be there. You get all the ones we've already done too. They don't go away, so you get everything we've done in the past
Starting point is 01:43:45 if you join up at any level, by the way. It doesn't matter which one. And Play Retro on Friday as well. 1.30 Mountain Time. Film sack this weekend. We're recording on Saturday. Yeah, we're doing reindeer games. I don't think I've seen it. I thought I had and I haven't. I can't wait to hear. There's
Starting point is 01:44:01 I can't wait to hear your thoughts on it because we watched it last night there's some stuff I forgot there's some stuff I remember and I can't wait to see what you think of it okay I look forward to that because I thought I'd seen it I haven't I don't think
Starting point is 01:44:16 super young Furiosa in there too oh my I'm excited about that and with boobies too right there's boobies with boobie and she's always had those though yeah those came with the package anyway no TMS next week just a reminder Monday through Thursday We are off for the holiday.
Starting point is 01:44:32 We do that every year. But there will be a brand new instance episode on the 23rd. So along with all that Coverville goodness, she'll be getting a brand new instance episode. We'll talk about this Siren Isle thing that just landed on Tuesday. And lots to talk about there as we end out the year with that episode. So check that out. That will do it for us.
Starting point is 01:44:50 FrogPants.com slash TMS for all things. And again, get your film in. Get your film going. Get your film going. What is it? It's a Paramount Plus for me. It was where I watched. reindeer games, but I think it's probably in a couple
Starting point is 01:45:03 places. Oh, is it? Okay, that's good to know. Yeah. Okay, that's it. Let's play a song. Do you have a song? All right. Yeah, this one's going out to September and Rob. September said today, which was on the 16th, my dear friend Lisa passed on. She was an amazing, intelligent, kind, and eclectic individual. She's been our town's children's librarian for decades. She loved live music and was an avid supporter of our local scene. Her favorite Nirvana song was Heart-shaped Box.
Starting point is 01:45:31 and she'd light up when Rob played it. Pretty and Pink was another of her favorite movies, and I'd been hoping she'd be better and able to make it to a show soon as he was recently working on that song. I'm glad I took her Thanksgiving dinner this year to the library or to her house. Her favorite book was The Great Gatsby, and I'm always going to remember her in that world, as in that world. Well, September, sorry to hear about your friend.
Starting point is 01:45:54 That sounds rough, and it sounds like she was quite a contributor to the community, especially the children, the community with being a librarian. You said Heart-shaped Box? I think it's a great choice. Let's go with a cover by Amber Mark. This was a single that she released in 2020. Here is Heart-shaped Box. Oh, ooh.
Starting point is 01:46:16 Oh, who, who, who, who, oh, who, who, who, oh, who, who. She eyes me like. a Pisces when I am weak I've been locked inside your heart-shaped box for weeks I've been drawn into your magnetar pit tracks Right
Starting point is 01:47:01 I wish I could eat your cancer When you turned black But Hey I've got a new complaint Foreverended To your prize It's advice
Starting point is 01:47:25 Hey Wait A new complaint Forever in debt To your Prices and vice Yeah Forever
Starting point is 01:47:42 And ever And ever Yeah Meat eating Your kids Forgive no one Just yet Right
Starting point is 01:48:01 Cut myself from the angel hair And babies Yeah Whoa Hey Wait I've got a new Oh babe
Starting point is 01:48:18 Forever in there To your prize This in my Hey Where going to play forever ended to your priceless and vibes yeah forever and ever and ever Those pants are made for froggin. If you know what I mean, I actually don't.
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