The Morning Stream - TMS 2771: Sweats on a Plane

Episode Date: January 29, 2025

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This soda tastes like purple. Spousal Revenge Tour. Murdering the mailman for a cupcake. Tolbert, talk fast. Backdoor mailman. They call me Mr. Pig. I don't like Harvey Steve

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He burns me up Don't get angry Bill's having a tough time He's upset, emotionally upset Yes but he's always that way I realize that but he can't help it That's what we must try to understand How true that is.

I'm Louis, the lifeguard, and happy to say, I rescued a drowning potato today. The morning stream. Ironic, isn't it? An archangel needs a monkey to get a vision from God. Hello, everybody, and welcome to TMS. It is the morning stream for Wednesday, January 29th, 2025. I'm Scott Johnson.

That's Brian Abbott. Hi. Hello. Hey, man. Hello. Oh, you know, let me just say things about my current life status. Just real quick here. Okay.

All right. We're on day three. Kim's gone day three. Day three or so, four almost. Four? And the time is going relatively quickly, which is good. but we just would really like her to be home. Like, it's a lot going on.

Why do I think that it's, I mean, I imagine, you know, Carter misses her too, but I imagine it's like 80% you, 20% Carter. Oh, yeah. You're the dog who's like waiting at the window with the tail wagging any time a car comes around the corner. Kind of, yeah, yeah. Like she's been swamped busy with a bunch of commissions and stuff. And so she's trying to get done because her and her friends are all going to Sedona.

Thursday. Oh, cool. Thursday morning, I guess. Today is the funeral for Alicia's brother, which we talked about that whole thing. So her whole time here has been terrible. So we've barely seen her. So she's been me and Carter. So the goal was like, all right, get the dog, get the dog's teeth out, bring it home,

make sure the meds are working, make sure she's not bleeding. Okay, is her food soft enough? Like all that domestic crap. And at the same time, I'm like, well, the dishes need to be done. And oh, yeah, we don't have food. We get a grocery store. What do you want to do? I don't know, Taco Bell again.

No, we can't. do that again. Like there's a lot of this talk going on around here. And then she leaves tomorrow. And then it's just me until like Tuesday or something. So I might not make it. Wow. I might just die here. Wow. Thursday to Tuesday. Yeah, I may not make it. I'm going to do my best, but I'm just not feeling. I didn't realize it was gone that long. That's like usually, it's rarely over a week like this. Eight days. And I think one of those, it's either the eighth day is a travel day or the eighth day is the last day and the ninth day is the travel day. it's either month i got to verify it with her but it's either monday or tuesday that she flies home now i got i got a talk to her yesterday we did a little face time which surprised me

she was on a beach in mexico uh just right at the port waitstime from a beach yeah and i was shocked because i was like we don't have like a weird roaming i didn't know how she was getting connection and it was pure clean like hd connection and i said what are you doing and she goes turns out team mobile has a freaking tower down here oh Wow, so it wasn't like Wi-Fi from the resort. It was like actual cell. Yeah, so she's like walking in the water. I said, do not drop your freaking phone in there because it's salt water.

But anyway, she was in the water. She says it's like 80, 79, 80 degrees, breezy, beautiful, just hot enough, not too hot. Like she's having a great time. Meanwhile, over here, it's like 10 degrees with an inversion. It's like, shit. I want to go. Yeah. And why didn't she go again?

Why? Sibling trip. All the siblings, husbands and wives are at home. going damn it oh okay so yeah i'm the only i'm not the only one is all of us it's just they do this every year now ever since uh her her older sister who's now passed but when she got her cancer diagnosis they locked in on this idea that every year they would do some kind of sibling trip where it's just the siblings um and so this is that you know this is time for that this year and and that's why they're doing it but the rest of us me devon uh whoever else is at home i forget

everybody's name. We're all stuck in the middle of the cold, just working, taking care of shit. Poor Devin. Holden gone to the fort at home. Devin's got like six kids. I don't know how he's handling this. I don't even want to know. Maybe you, maybe you ought to get together with all of them and say, hey, we're going to go do a, you know, like a Long Beach Island trip or, or like something, you know, go east coast of beach. Yeah. We call that like the spousal revenge tour or something like that. The Plus Ones. The Plus Ones Revenge Tour. It's actually not a terrible idea.

I have to consider some of this. Whole crap ton of board games or something. I don't know. I don't know what you guys were all into. I know what I would do if I were part of that group. It would be like, all right. Taking the Apple TV Plus, taking the PlayStation, not PlayStation, but the Switch, do some Mario Kart live.

Everybody bring your Joycons. Yeah, that's exactly what I would want to do. and most of them, unfortunately, are nothing like me. Yeah, they'd probably want to do. All right, we're bringing a poker table cover. We're bringing chips, cards. Yeah, trying to get the NFL package. Lots of beer.

Yeah. We're going to watch the NFL network all night. That's going to be. That's how it'll go. But anyway, we're here. We got a show to do. And we got some things to talk about. Real quick here, actually, given the time, I think I'm going to save this top on for later. But I'm going to get right to this.

Dr. Tolbert piped in. Tis the season for everyone to get sick. Brian's been ill. Everybody's getting these things floating around. It's a bad time. I'm being the canary in the coal mine for all of you. I'm being the here's why you need to get a flu shot sooner. That's right.

Because apparently getting it on the Saturday before the Tuesday you get the flu, not enough time for it to be in your system to keep it away from you. That's right. I think Jerry said, what do he say? They come out in September. We got ours in October. Yeah. But then I also got, I got COVID in our.

No, we were going to go at the very end of August. That's what it was. Early September, the new shots came out. We were going to go get them, and then COVID happened to us, and then we were sick, and then we went and got the flu one, and they said, you can't get the COVID one for three months. So I still have the new COVID one. I should probably go to them. You haven't got the new COVID one.

Yeah, you should get the new COVID one. Because it's been well over three months. But anyway, here's what Dr. Tolbert has to say about the flu. Good morning, gents. Your friendly neighborhood family doc swinging by to answer the burning questions from Tuesday's episode. You all were discussing the symptoms of flu, which led to. questions about what flu even means. Well, it's a very good question. Through the years, the word flu has come to mean anything that makes us feel bad. It now includes things like

infectious gastroenteritis like you guys talked about on the show, as well as any upper respiratory infection or lower respiratory infection that could be caused by a viral illness or even some bacteria or even fungi. As physicians, we don't really use the word flu to mean those types of infections. Generally, we're going to be a lot more specific with our language when we talk about upper respiratory and lower respiratory infections. And when we use the word flu, we're shortening the word influenza. Influenza is a very specific type of virus that causes airway infection and leads to a very, very intense immune system response that makes us feel like we got hit by a bus for about 7 to 10 days. It can cause significant breathing problems, really intense

coughing, as well as causing fever and body aches. We can even have nausea and vomiting or even diarrhea as a symptom of influenza the virus. So as Brian said, if you're drawing a Venn diagram, not all vomiting and diarrheal illness is going to be flu, but influenza infection can absolutely cause vomiting and diarrhea. Hope that helps, and I especially hope that you all stay free from influenza anytime soon and as always if you need me page me all right we'll page you we'll let you know i love when he does these they're my favorite things too they're great it's it's it's like teladoc yeah right it's like uh and it also immediately just cleans up the joint it just makes us seem legit and and like it totally does yeah like we're given good information you know

not not just nonsense constantly out just the usual garbage we're spewing out but like hey by the way here's here's some actual vegetables with all of the cup cakes that we feed you. You guys, I know you like the cake and you like the strudel, but once in a while you got to eat a little broccoli stock and that was it. Damn, I want a cupcake right now. Doesn't that sound good? Why does that sound good? I would murder my mailman for a cupcake right now.

I'm off the show, but man, I would do it. If it was right here right now and I had the excuse that we were testing cupcakes on the show. If it was a box of Entemans donuts on the table today, Scott. I know. I would do it. I would do it. I'm not going to lie to the people. I would do it.

All right. Well, anyway, thank you, Jerry. Plus, we don't like our current mailman, but. Oh, you don't do you? They're okay. They keep putting, they keep putting, like, we've got a 3D printed numbers for the front of our mailbox. Like it has, you could be blind and feel the numbers and say, oh, okay, here's the

address for the mail that needs to go on this box and they still put it in the wrong box sometimes. Yeah, we've had similar issues. Right now we have some. one we really like but there have been times where I'm like no one got the right mail two neighbors came to us and said I think we got your mail and we said oh hold on a second we have some of your mail the hell's out about it's like that uh was it it was cheers uh there was an episode where where they were like doing a documentary about cliff or something and they basically showed him like doing his rounds and he says here here's why deliver

the mail to these fine folks in this cul-de-sac and is here walks away, you see all the neighbors going around and handing each other. Yeah, that was totally a Cheers episode. That's 100% correct. I mean, there's a Seinfeld episode where Newman's just toss in the bag. Right, right. He's not really doing anything. But I'm curious, because we have, you know, regular mail folk, delivery folk who write into the show. Tell us why, why is that hard for some? Like, why, they've got the same box lineup, if it's boxes or if it's actual, like, separate boxes, or if it's a big grid. However it is, you're getting your mail, It's the same for everybody.

So why do some of you fail so hard at delivering those things? Right now we're doing, like I say, we're doing pretty good. My biggest problem is we have a Fed driver who's friendly and nice. I really like him. I've met him a few times. Super cool dude. He looks like a professional, like, out-of-college football player. Just a big, beefy man.

Okay. And I'm not... He could probably huck the mail. Yeah. Just leave your mailbox open. He'll, like, spiral it right into the boxes he drives by. kind of goes back and then I would love that

and he's super nice and everything but he goes around and puts it in the back sometimes and we have this that sounded wrong he goes around and puts in the back we have another contender for out of context

comment of the week the nasty one did you see somebody started that by the way there's a no there's a new channel in oh shit in discord

TMS discussion there it is best out of context clip so under, in our Discord, under TMS discussion topics. Right now, it's, it's almost, it's almost a, it's an, it's almost an, it's almost an Scott thing, but it's, great. What's your favorite out of context clip from the list below? And it's, uh, from 2760, Scott saying he has a huge weiner.

What? Down 1761, it's Brian saying, turn a penis into a vagina. Scott 2762, Scott wants some more black friends. I do, actually. So it's like a, yeah, it's like a, it's like a vote list kind of thing. I don't know what, I don't know what happens when you vote, but. I don't either, but it's in the, it's in our discord if anyone wants to contribute to it. And this, by the way, this FedEx driver happens to be black.

And look, I am not, I'm not one for the dudes, all right? Like, I like the ladies. They're all for the ladies. I'm attracted to the ladies, always have been. But this guy, this guy does make you pause and go, oh, hey. Yeah. Hmm. Anyway, he puts my shit in the back, though. He's not supposed to do that. And I don't know why he does that sometimes. And I just need to ask him. But then when he does show up at the front, he's so nice and friendly. I don't have the heart to say, please don't take stuff to the back. Because he's nice. I like him. I don't want him to think I'm dissatisfied with his excellent service otherwise. Right. Right. You don't want, exactly. Like, you're afraid that if you complain about one little thing, everything else is going to kind of go to pot. Yeah. And I don't know. I can't, I can't bring. myself to do it but anyway we'll see yeah a reminder play date is this friday we're not doing a

tms friday because once a month we swap that out for a playday which is a fully public thing to everybody not just patrons although patrons get preferential treatment when it comes to joining the games so we'll be playing a bunch of jackbox games in a row as usual two hours uh starting at 9 a m normal time on friday uh i realize this is a day before we'd even have to tell you this but i'm just getting ahead of it it's just you know just giving you that one extra little bit of warning and Monica we're going to make sure because we missed out on murder mystery party because we had

a long game of something else that blather around which I love I love blather around so we got to make sure we got to make sure yeah that's got to be we got to have some kind of short I'll make a little because that new launcher has a playlist option yeah we should make like

our droffle yeah we'll have droffle on there or droffle too I guess that one blather round Murder Mystery Party. Murder mystery, and then what, I don't know what the other one would be. But I love the idea of having a working list that is always there. And if we find another banger, you know, we swap it in for the one we haven't done in a while or whatever. Yep.

It's so much fun. You guys got to come. So if you haven't been there before, it's live, frogpants. Dot TV, Friday, 9 a.m., just like the show is every other day or every other weekday. And that is that. Okay. Cool. Cool, cool, cool, cool.

All right. We got Dunaway coming. He's in the chat. Yeah. That means that there's no reason this can't just go off without a hitcher. He's even logged in the game, everything. What? How is this possible?

Oh, yeah, T-Fury. Yeah, the one where you draw T-shirts, we definitely got a T-Fur. Oh, T-Fur. If that's not an every time kind of thing, it needs to be at least in every other time kind of thing. But we've got to make sure we play that this week. We have not done that in a while. We should put that in there this week for sure. All right, here we go.

All right, as you can hear, that means it's time for. game show of sorts, and One Brian Dunaway has joined us. Hi, One Brian Dunaway. How are you? Oh, hi, Scott and Brian, and one and two. Yeah. Hey, we missed you on Monday. That was a sad day. I missed you guys too. You know, sometimes, you know, sometimes life happens and you don't get to hang out with your friends. That's true. That's true. Your mom made you to go, I don't know, clean the yard or whatever, and you couldn't play. I understand. Yeah, it'd take a trash out. It took like an hour. Okay. it happens how's your general how's your knowledge on uh canadian uh football teams yeah canada canada has football

okay there we go so there we go yeah it answers your question directly i i i i know about it is i remember that we inherited jake del home over in the carolina panthers years ago from the canadian league that's all i really what's his name jake the what is it jake the snake del home jake del home oh del home D-E-L-Home-A. Okay. All right. El-Hol. I don't know who that is.

I can't believe they're going to be showing a rerun this year for the Super Bowl. It really sucks. I know. We just saw this two years ago. Come on. I'm, uh, I guess I'm a little tired. I'm a little tired of, I feel like the, okay, I'm going to say something controversial, then we'll get to the game.

Okay. Oh, perfect. I'm not, as you guys know, I'm a casual watcher of the NFL. I always plan on watching more and being more behind the teams I like. And then early, more early on. And then, you know, but I never do. And it's always like, okay, it's playoffs already shit. Well, I guess I better get excited.

And so that's where I'm at again. But the league does this thing where it loves, the NFL loves to have a team that just seems like the unstoppable monster. And other sports do this too. Yankees, Lakers, now Kansas City, previously New England Patriots, this sort of thing. And it's so wrapped around this, them being an entertainment business and not a sport. for the fans to watch that it's most and I'm not even complaining about the Taylor Swift stuff it's not even her fault they keep cutting to her she's not cutting to them it's not her fault she just happens to be dating somebody on the team so you think she shoots birds of the camera

guy and then as soon as he turns around it's like oh just kidding I've seen her do it before where she she notices she's on and she'll mouth like get off me or I've seen her do that before shake it off is what she's saying shake it off she says and goes trouble anyway my point is I just can't City in there again. I'm just like, doesn't excite me at all. And I know we go, but there's Kansas City fans in our listenership. I understand. I'm not ripping on the team.

They're great. Mahomes is amazing. All this stuff's great. I'm just saying I'd like a little, I'd like it to be interesting and not just. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. The good news is I, the fact that it seems, you know, pretty, it doesn't seem

fixed. I'm not saying there's any fixing in football. I'm just saying And if somebody was pulling the strings, this would not be the string they'd pull. Right. You're absolutely right. So I don't know. I don't know how to feel. I mean, maybe whatever.

I'm excited about the fun around a Super Bowl day where we make the wings and do the fun and hang out and have the stuff. That's what I look for. I can't wait to watch the commercials so I can bitch about them the next day. Exactly. We have all these other things that we like and it'll all be fine. But I'm sorry. I just really wanted the bills to go because I'm not. I'm not even a Bill's fan.

I just love the idea of the bills going to the Super Bowl, and that would have been fun. That's all. Anyway, good luck, everybody. Hey, Brian, let's play this game. Oh, you know what? I should bring a player in. We need a player for this business.

How about, oh, our fourth caller, I think we had Raven on before. It doesn't matter, but Ravens are. We have. Let's have her again. Let's have her again. She's right here. Let's see here. Make sure this worked properly.

Tabletop game, Maven, Raven. Maven, Raven. She should be, she should be TCG, no, C-T-G Raven. Or no, Maven. No. Maven, Raven. Hi, Raven, how are you? Are you there?

Hello? Oh, hi. Yes, I'm here. I'm here. Sorry. We may just scramble there at the last second. Well, just a second. All right. Okay, all right.

She's probably in a weird place at work or something. She has had her performance review yesterday. days. So good timing on this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is great. Great job. Where's she going? I don't know. That's weird. We just gave her a really good review, but now she's running in the bathroom with a phone. We'd like to amend your review. You disappear for an hour at a time on weekdays at 9 o'clock Mountain. Please explain yourself. Anyway, are you there? Are you good?

Yeah, I had to mute you guys again on YouTube. I'm sorry. And I'd love me. Oh, I've done that. Yeah. I was like, oh, God, where did it go? Yeah. No, and they're well aware. I talked to you guys. I would expect so. Oh, good. They're a bunch of nerds. Listen, the photos I've seen in that place, my God, I cannot wait to come and visit. Yeah.

It seems like the greatest place to work ever. Yeah. When I'm out to see Wendy, I am absolutely going in there. We've got to see it. Absolutely. All right. Let's get to it. Brian, explain to us and Raven, how this works and who could win what?

It's time to play the tadpooly feud. I've surveyed the tadpull on some nerdy topics. Scott and Brangnav to predict the answers that they gave us. It is their job to see how many of those. answers they can guess. Raven, your job is more important than ever because you're going to be working with either Scott or Brian. If your team wins, you get a prize package

that includes garden life and Atlas Fallen Rain of Sand. Ooh, Atlas Fallen, Rain of Sand is a new game I think. That's not one of the international ones, is it? I don't think it is. No, it's not. I don't believe it's region locked. We don't find out if they're region locked

until I try to give it to an American. So I guess we'll find out. That game's like, that game's less and six months old or something. I think just came out. Oh, wow, that's cool. Nice. That's awesome.

All right. It's almost like the first game you have to play is, will this code work? Yeah, we like to give you a multi-leveled experience here at the TMS winning. That's right. It's the meta. All right. If you guys are ready, I'm ready. We asked 427 tadpoolers.

I don't know. I don't know. I like it. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready.

All right. To give their best answer to this. what is your favorite soda or pop soft drink? It is not. It's got. Dr. Pepper.

Show me Dr. Pepper. Go ahead. Number one answer on the board. It paid off this time. I think I know it was gone, but I'm curious. Go ahead. Tell me what it was. That is not Pepsi or Coke. So, yeah, you pretty much guessed what it was.

Well, done. Well, that means you automatically get control of the board. You get rave. in here as a cohort. This is a great, great bit of timing, Brian. We just talked about Pepsi and Coke yesterday. We did, yeah, and Costco and all of their machinations. I will tell you right now that zeros and diets,

I lumped all that stuff into the base drink. So if this were, if Coke and Pepsi were allowed, Coke Zero would be included in Coke, as would diet Coke. So Dr. Pepper Zero, Dr. Pepper, Cherry. Dr. Pepper Zero is included, but not any of the. sub-flavors. So if there's a sub-flavor. If there's a sub-flavor, then

that's a separate deal. I knew that the term sub-flavor would send down a way off on a little turret load. You can't say sub-flavor, and I expect me to Tourette's up on that thing. Come on. Mingo phone. That's what I call it. Anytime he does this, his Mingo phone, he's answering.

All right, let's see here. Raven, do you have a, well, first Well, do you have a favorite that you think might not be a Coke or a Pepsi product? You're a drinking choice. Well, I quit drinking colas and pops like years ago doing like sugar problems. Yeah, he moved on to hard liquor. I got you. Right. But Josh, yeah, moved on to hard liquor.

But Josh does still drink. And he is the Baja Blast fan. And he would be furious if our Taco Bell got rid of the Baja Blocust syrup. So let's do Baja Blast. Okay. And Baja Blast, well, Brian will tell us if it's a... Let's a sub drink. If it's a sub-flavor.

It's a sub-flavor of Mountain Dew, I suppose. That's right. All right. Show me Mountain Dew, Baja Blast. Yeah. Yeah, number eight. Good points right there. It pairs well with a nice taco.

It really does, yeah. Chalupa and a Baja blast. Zero. Yeah, perfect. I don't know what happened on our Taco Bell where they quit. I don't know if they quit entirely, but I couldn't get it the other day. I was so annoyed. I actually could go get Taco Bell today for lunch.

There's nothing. It's not Taco Bell. Wednesday? No, but I had leftovers yesterday or I had a thing yesterday that I had to eat. And tomorrow I love you. You had a thing that you had to eat. Oh yeah, no. Tina says, you're

eating this for lunch. You're not going out and getting something. You're going to eat you dinner. You're going to eat it for breakfast. She did not give me that directive today. So I could know. Scott talked me into it yesterday. Yes, I did. And you sent pictures and everything. Did the can'tina chicken thing? I got the canteen

chicken caesadia. Oh, it's good, right? It's weirdly good. Yeah. It's like a

flavorful good time, those things. Yeah. They don't look good, though. They look like crap on the plate, but whatever.

Thank you. All right. Let's get to another one of these. How about, so flavors, when he said that, it means there are some of the stuff included.

Just pick one. I'm going to say Dr. Shut up. I'm going to say Dr. Pepper Cherry. It's my favorite. Yeah. Good choice right there.

All right. Show me Dr. Pepper Cherry. Get out of here. It's a good choice, but it's not on the list. It is on the list. Number 16 was Dr. Pepper Cherry. You're welcome, Brian Donoey. I gave you a line here.

That's right. Hey, hey, I'm going with, give me some sugary water that's carbonated Sprite. Sprite. Yes. All right. Show me that lemon lime deliciousness known as Sprite.

Number four. Yeah. Now we're talking. Yeah. Let's see. Not coca pest. Now my favorites are, let's see. We are the zeros.

I like that. Okay. How about this? I like myself a good root beer. Now, do I specify which one or is it kind of probably need to, right? I'm going to go with A&W. Blach. Okay.

Even though Barks is better. Better. Barks got bite, but I think A.W is more popular. Sure. A&W makes me feel. nauseous for some reason A&W always says it's a little too sweet I think that's it

I think yeah yeah yeah I haven't had it in years but all right show me A&W root beer yeah so here's the thing Mugs smart mug and W barks people put just plain root beer

like if they just put Dr. Pepper I knew they meant Dr. Pepper and not Dr. Pepper or whatever but if they just put root beer some people put A&W root beer some people put barks but there were enough people who just put root beer that it's like well I've kind of got to lump all these to get anybody put sasperilla

you'll have to give that as a guess and see now note that I did not do like if nobody said lemon lime soda so that's why spright is sprite because nobody said just generic lemon lime soda I think because people are kind of like okay with so that doesn't

mean that doesn't mean seven up is for sure on there it just means right exactly all right it means that You know, I'll tell you that, you know, there were people who did say seven up, but I'm not going to tell you, yeah, or no, it's not in the top. Sure, sure. That makes sense. Yeah.

All right. Go ahead, Brian. Give me that drink that looks the same color in as it does out. Give me that mountain dew. Just regular old mountain dew. Show me good old, plain old antifreeze-looking mountain dew. Number three, taking you to tie nine points for each player, or for for Brian and for a team of Scott and Rape.

I wonder if the sales numbers reflect this list. They probably do. It feels right. I'll bet they do. Yeah. The root beer I'm not sure about, but like Dr. Pepper to Mountain Dew to Sprite, that sounds right to me. That's right.

Yes. By the way, I did tell people in the chat or in the survey, if you don't drink soda, just tell me one that you did drink when you drank it. Don't give me a story. Because I don't want to, exactly. I don't want to have to start through. I didn't cheat soda

Not that I'm complaining about you saying it, Raven. But I just don't want to have to sort through 55 different responses all worded differently in the survey. I like tea. I'm taking your sense done away. You're welcome, Raven. I like tea as well. That's a good one, though. I do like, it's not a soda, though, but it comes in a soda can.

Those Lipton's, but I'm not putting that up there on the board because it's not going to be up there. But I will go with, give me a grape soda. I don't think people classify it other than grape. Right. Even though Phantom makes one, let's make some, I can't think of anybody else. Grape. Hold on. Welch's makes a grape.

Welch's. I think Welchis is probably the best selling of the grape. What was the most? That must be it. I, why can't I think I thought I had a grape soda as a kid that wasn't. Oh, grape crush too, yeah. Oh, crush.

One thing about grape drinks is I'm always thirstier after I drink them. What is that about? It's because soda is not a good hydrator, I don't think. No, no. We'll also include purple drink. All right. Show me.

That's something different. A little drink. Yeah. Show me your grape soda. Oh, man. First strike for you on this side. People did say grape soda, but it's way lower than I expected.

Some of my favorites. You know, I think it's because it's falling out of favor. I don't know why, actually. I don't know why it's falling out of favor. But it has, hasn't it? Yeah, it really has. This is because we figured that it doesn't actually quench thirst. Yeah, I guess so.

But I remember, like, you know, like MASH, Radar always had a grape knee high and a kid. Yeah, we had three people say it. We had grape zevia, grape knee-high, and grape crush, each with one answer each, that it got combined into one. I see you grape lovers. I see you out there. I see you out there. I don't hate zivia, but I kind of hate zivia.

It's hard to explain. There's certain flavors of zivia that I like. Has anybody tried one of those new papillitos or whatever they're called? Like, there's like some new. I don't know. Is it also a plaza? plant-based sweetener thing? Yes, it's like

way less sugar, maybe even zero sugar. Oh, Scott, this is zero-sug. I like zero-sug. I can't remember what it's called. I've been seeing ads for it, and I'm waiting for somebody in the chat room to tell me the name of it,

but it's like Popolio or Popoladio. It's not bubbly, right? That's a brand, I know. It's not bubbly. Yeah. It's not... Oh, yeah, Bubly. That's cool way they spell it, too. Poland is like, let's take letters away.

La Croy, Perrier. club superior let's see keep keep naming things i can't wait for my turn these are brands poppy that's it kelly 138 poppy p o p p p p p p i that means p p b he's the character in sinfeld that didn't didn't watch his hands after the bathroom yeah and peed on the couch yeah poppy yeah it's like uh supposed to be new and better for you and they've got a grape soda they've got you know other flavors that i won't name oh yeah they're I wonder. That's a thing.

That's cool. I wonder if we bad for us in a couple of years. Yeah, you never know. Yeah. You never know. The official soda of the Los Angeles Lakers. What? Yeah.

Are these Laker girls on the cover of the site all in their pajamas? No, I think they're just influencers in sweats. Do we have an official soda? They look like they're getting on a plane the way people dress for planes. They do. They do. We're shopping at Walmart. Yeah.

I think that was all my, my wife. all her sisters on this trip, they all looked like this on the plane. Did they on their sweats? Fine. And you know what she told me? Be comfortable on the plane. She told me she says if airlines

hadn't spent so many decades making planes unbearably uncomfortable then I would dress nice. I'm looking forward to watching sweats on a plane. It's going to be great. Somebody get rid of these M.R.F. and sweats on this Merefin plane. That's right.

All right. It was Dunaway's turn still. Right? I strike. I strike out. Yes. Our turn. do you think raven well orange we haven't done any so uh we're going to go with crush we could do orange crush or we could do fanta we could do

um what crush is the crush brand is gone orange drank that doesn't matter i will tell you i will tell you it doesn't matter in this case yeah orange drank okay so orange let's just say orange yeah we'll say orange drink orange drank all right show me orange drank yeah this is another situation where a lot of people said orange soda so i kind of just had to lump in, Fanta crush and the sunkissed into that. Okay. Still holding the lead here, which is good. Still holding the lead.

Fairly. Fourteen for Scott and Raven, nine for Brian. Okay. You don't have a ginger ale up there. No, I don't see that either. I think that's a safe one to say ginger ale and not a brand either. Like, we don't have to say Canadian drives. That was my drink of choice.

Yeah, I like it. It's good. I'd get that on planes. I'm weird, though. I'll get either the ginger ale or I'll get the spicy tomato drink. Oh, yeah, the Mrs. T's Bloody Mary Mix without the vodka. Yeah, I love it.

I don't know why I'm such a sucker for it. Anyway, yeah, let's go with the ginger ale there, Brian. Sure. All right, show me ginger ale. Nice. Good, I was hoping that would work. There was a scoring issue, and that's supposed to be 20 over on the right side. That's so weird.

It added it to the total, though, didn't it? I was thinking it's with a 20 ounce. Is that the most buckler? It added it correctly to the total. You had 14, we added 6, so it did give you 20 points. That's good. That's just repeating this. That's weird.

Alka Bob, a little too much Alka. No, it was my fault because I initially had a space in there and forgot the comma, and then I tried to fix it by adding the comma, and it just really screwed things out there. Gotcha. You just ruined his database. Sorry, Bob. I just broke. Whatever real thing he does with that database that we're like piggybacking on for this,

just got just crashed. I just white two K'd all that. Now, there's a, I have this question, Raven, about energy drinks and whether they're on here or not, because they kind of did take a real prominent place. So if we said, you know, Monster or Blue or Red Bull or something or Energy Drinks in general, do you think that's a safe thing or what do you, what do you think? Couldn't hurt. Monster or Red Bull.

Let's try to sneak it in and just say energy drinks because there's so many. Sure. Let's do that. Okay. Show me energy drinks. Damn it. Didn't make the top 10, but Monster, I'm just going to give you all. The Monster and Red Bull both had like three people said Monster.

One person said Red Bull. So, yeah. Not enough to lump them in and make a dent of the top 10. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A little bit of a bummer. All right.

Well, Brian, what do you got there? Mr. Dunaway? three answers still left on the board pretty much to be made here too pretty much everything this in our break room

refrigerator is listed here and that's where I'm kind of using for my mental visual picture here of crap and oh my gosh do they stock that for you and you just go and help yourself

to a can when you want it or do people bring in their own they stock it but I pay for it they should make this is like hey we had the best quarter ever are C-suite people

made about a billion dollars. Here's some pizza to celebrate. Like they need to, you should get those. You should have soda for free. A little perk of keeping sodas in there. As long as people can agree on which sodas to keep in there, because then you're going to have people like, I'd like you to make sure you get, I'll say this one because it's not in the top ten.

Green River, can you make sure there's always a six-pack of Green River? I don't know what Green River is. Is that a soda I can get? It's a green soda, and it's, I don't even tell you what the flavor is. It's the flavor of meeting you for sushi six hours oh that's right yeah that's true that is the green river i never even don't know why i don't even make that connection that the soft drink is uh if we ever

if we ever did that because it's a big long-running joke we ever actually did it we would we would drink that i think that would be the thing to yeah yeah we'd have to yeah oh lime flavored there we go it's a lime flavored which thank goodness because it's green you'd kind of hope well you'd yeah you hope it tastes more like green and less like river i couldn't agree I couldn't agree more. All right, Dunaway. But it's actually made by the Sweetwater Brewery in Green River, Wyoming. Oh, wow.

Not Green River, Utah, but Green River, Wyoming. That river goes pretty high up there. Yeah. Dunnoy, what do you say? What do you think? I've got two local favorites that I'm just not sure would show up on here, and they're not Pepsi or Coke. Just, I'm going to go just because it deserves some love.

I'm going to go with cheer wine. If you were going to say like R.C. Cola, I was going to kick you in the nuts. Well, that was going to be the other thing to R.C. Cola, but cheer wine is also about equally popular around here. I don't know what that is. What is cheer wine? We've tried it on the show before, Scott. Is we? Yeah, it's like a, like a Dr. Pepper, like a fruity or doctor. Yeah, cherry cola. Is that what it is?

Yeah. So it's got like a cola base and then berry flavor on top of that. All right. All right, it sounds good, and I don't remember that at all, so. It's delicious. Let's do it. All right. Show me cheer wine.

Oh, yeah. Your bonus. You're bonus. Yeah, baby. But no points, but gives you another guess. Well, it sounds like it's going to make Scott annoyed. So I'm going with R.C. Royal Crown Cola. The R.C. stands for Royal Crown.

That's right. It does. Yep, Royal Crown Cola. All right. That in the Moon pie. Gross. Show me. Oh, Royal Crown and a Moon pie.

pie my gosh and some and some bold peanuts yeah bold now you have me at bold peanut peanuts i'd eat my peanuts to crunch when i pulled out of the shell thank you very much cajun my wife does the most amazing cave you know what we're bringing them to to Vegas and you're going to at least try hers and then and then if you still hate that consistency does she take them out of the shell uh no they are still in the thing so you got to open them suck them it's the soggy boils the shell is what it's like has this been in your pocket with those gummy bears that are all

melted together Josh eats those all the time and it's so gross they're so good yeah they're so freaking good it's so good I'm with that way all right show me RC Cola

yeah number nine I should not have scoffed at that I was I'm sure it wouldn't be there all right I was too 18 points for Brian, 20 points for Scott and Raven. This is a close one

here. Two answers still left on the board. No, my. Crapes. What is left? Oh my God, I can't think of anything else. Let me see. What's a smart-ass answer that they would say? I don't know. Don't ant me. How about Don't ant me, bro.

I know, you're going to do it. Don't do it. How about, what was you said, Fanta? How about, Sierra Miss? You're always trying to give me that crap

when I go to get a Sprite at the restaurant. Well, they used to. Sierra Miss is gone now. Was it gone? I think so. I mean, I remember it too.

That was very prominent for a while. People are really pushing it down your throat. At the time. Now it's starry is the, is the replacement. Maybe that's a better answer. I don't know. You say.

What I have said it, if it was on the... Maybe I would. Maybe I would. Who knows? Maybe he would have. Probably not. But would he have said that way, the way he said it if it was on there?

Right, right, exactly. Give me this Sierra Mist. All right, you go Sierra Mist sticking with it? All right. Show me Sierra Mist. You missed getting those points. Yeah. All right.

So here's a good question. Sure. well maybe Raven let me ask I know one now Raven I got two I have two in my head and I hesitate to say both

because then Brian can take one but I'll do it anyway Cream soda yeah cream soda or Fago are the two I'm thinking and the Fago would be like a joke post and the Tadpool would know about Fago and they would be like

ha ha ha yeah exactly yeah they'd be wearing their insane clown posse makeup while I said it and everything else but I don't I feel like the safer bet is cream soda at the moment. Yeah, let's do cream soda. All right.

Root beer's ugly cousin, cream soda. Let's do it. Show me cream soda. Oh, strike. Yeah. Cream soda, number 12. Number 12 was cream soda, by the way. How close were the numbers on that until 11?

I'm just curious. One person, one person between cheer wine and cream soda. Damn it. Wow. All right. Down away, I feel like I took a piece off the board for you. you in a way that you did you did I appreciate that

so you need so you need either Brian to fail here or to succeed very well and get the last two answers on the board yeah I feel like there's a bunch of smart asses in the tadpool and I feel like I'm either going to see jolt or tab cola up there

you feel like there's a bunch of smart asses in the tad pool I got good news for you yeah yeah full of them they can confirm that there are smart asses of the I think they're all having the I think Jolt's about to have a moment too aren't they're trying to bring it back I keep trying to bring it back

I'm going to go with Jolt Cola All right Jolt Let's good Show me Jolt for all the marbles or eight or seven or ten more marbles anyway Show me Jolt

People did say jolt That was number 27 in the list So it did actually get some Some love No I tried to be as as diplomatic as possible when I was talking about this earlier, but seven up, appropriately, number seven. I didn't plan that, but it was number seven.

Damn it. That's the one your mom gives you when your tummy hurts and you're little. That's right, exactly. I got fro up. Yeah. Well, here's seven up of them. Make seven, up yours. I love those commercials.

Orlando, not Bloom, Orlando. Jones, Orlando Jones. By the way, so it was 7-Up and one of these. That's what my mom gave me. Oh, yeah. I like that you have a cracker at your desk. I have a bag of them. I have a bag of them.

No, I had some soup yesterday, and I just had a whole bag here. I thought it was like an emergency cracker or something, just in case. Just in case I need it. Which delivery service brought you soup and crackers? I made my own. I had, I was. Now, before anyone gets too crazy, I went in the storage room and got a can. It was progressive.

I opened it. and I heated it up in a microwave, so that's how that got done. Did you, did you, is that the only thing you bought at the store? Like, did you go to the store just buy one can of? No, that was in our, we had that in storage, so I just used it. Oh, okay. Oh, man, that would have been, like, the ultimate, like, Bachelor. They got all kinds of crap in there.

I'll probably do it again today and get, like, there's a can of chili I saw yesterday. I'll probably do that. Oh, yeah. I have hot dogs, so I might cut that up, put it in there, you know. There you go, a little chili dog. Yeah. Got the tasty place. I need something green, though, dude.

I don't have any salads or anything. Got pickle relish? Yes, actually. And some pickle. I have regular pickles. I got some kimchi. I don't think any of these are. Oh, you could make your pickle dog.

Yeah, I could. Oh, my God. Oh, I tried to do that yesterday. The pickles were a little too small. I thought they were big enough. Oh. I was going to do, like you said, and I was going to try it. It was going to be everything minus the corn dog batter.

It's all I didn't have, I thought. Yeah. Yeah. And that is key. I mean, the corn dog batter is not just a. after a thought. It is, it is, it deserves equal yeah, attention to the pickle dog.

Oh, chat's right. I have probably some peas somewhere. I just got to look around. I'll figure it out. Frozen peas. Yeah. Peas porch hot. Yeah. Let's show you number 10. This is what I'm surprised. I don't think I saw anybody in the chat room say this one. This is a favorite of mine too. If I see a can to this, I'll

probably have it. It is squirt. Squirt. Yeah, Scroar. Yeah, Scroat's great. Grapefruit soda. Squirt is like the, it's like Mountain Dew-ish or adjacent right kind of a little bit it's it's grapefruit as opposed to yeah the tank lemon is yeah whatever exactly as opposed to for mountain squirt have uh squirt is also good with gin by the way and vodka oh really squirt that's interesting you always hear the best mixers are coke um what's the other one i always hear

about spryde a good mixer fresca is a good mixer fresca is a good mix of jane oh speaking to which is fresca on the list i almost said that fresca is number 13 Oh, man. 14 Mountain Dew Code Red. 15 is surge. Then you get ginger beer. Definitely different than ginger ale. I like a good, better, or spicy ginger beer.

Spicy. Mellow yellow. Oh, that's the mountain dew adjacent one I'm thinking of. Yeah, that's the, right. There you go. Moxie, Starry, Birch beer, cactus cooler. IBC root beer. Yeah.

Iron. Oh, why didn't IBC root beer join the other? root beers. I don't know why I didn't put that all together. Iron brew, which is Scottish. We've had that. We've taste tested that on the show before as well. As well as sasperilla. That's why I said as well as because I was looking at sasperilla.

Saspirilla made the list. No way. Sassarilla made the list. Two people said it. Something called Ski. S-K-I. I've never heard of it. Slurm. And then we have all of our singles, Aldi Peach and Passion Fruit Sparkling Springwater.

Arnold Palmer. Balls Garana, Big Red. I love it, Arnold Palmer. I do. So good. Black Cherry Shasta, Boilins, cherry seven-up, clearly Canadian, country-time lemonade,

Dr. Pepper Cream soda, Dr. Pepper, Strawberry's and Cream. I like that one. Frosties, let's see, Jones, which is just a brand, not really a flavor. LaCroix, that kind of thing.

Yeah, those are brands. That's true. Yeah. main root blueberry soda and main root ginger brew spicy soda liquid death manzanita soul i do i've never had a blueberry soda that sounds great that's really good manzanita soul is a favorite of mine too if they made a manzanita soul zero i'd be all over it but it's the apple flavored soda they used to be welches used to have an apple soda in the 80s that was so freaking good i have a vague memory of that i don't remember if being that brand but that sounds great so good

By the way, squirt, somebody in the chat said, squirt doesn't have any caffeine. It absolutely does. I just checked 39 milligrams of caffeine. Really? I thought squirt was caffeine-free as well. I would have put money on that. Yeah, I couldn't remember because my mom was worried about us being too hyper,

and I remember squirt was off the menu, and we were always mad because we wanted a good squirt. And finally, for myself, anyway, lately here, I was like, I swear that I had caffeine. And yep, 39. That's a lot, too. 39 and 12-ounce cans, a lot of caffeine for it. That is a lot of caffeine. and wow, I'm really surprised. Mountain Dew Live Wire and Mountain Dew Major Mellon, each getting one vote.

Major Mellon. I don't think of it. I love, hated that stuff. Duh. Did you have it? You've had it, Brian? I don't think I've ever eaten it or drank it. The Major Mellon?

Yeah. I think there was a Major Mellon Zero that I thought you were the one who told me to try it and I got it. Was it me? I had that. I don't know if you did or not. Maybe it was Brian. Maybe it was Brian.

You were talking about it and I went. Yeah, I don't remember having it. I would try it. It sounds all right. If I can get a zero verse. or whatever. Yeah, that's right. Pib Extra. Oh, there is a Sierra Mist on here. One person that said CERR Mist. Sweet. And then Sundrop.

Don't know what that is. So nobody said, no one said Dr. Thunder, the Walmart replacement. Yeah, Sam's, Cola, none of that. We did say favorite, didn't we, I guess. Chasta did make it with the Black Cherry Shasta, but that's the only, like, grocery brand that made it into the list. I like a Shasta, if it's the right. situation. Oh my God, yes. Who said that? Rufus T-Cat. I remember

Aspen soda, the apple soda. That was really good. It was an apple soda in the 80s called Aspen. Aspen was the name of the Was it a brand? And the commercials went, Asp. Yeah. I remember that. Yeah, that's all familiar to me. I think that was

really good. I like a good apple flavored almost anything. You know what you guys miss out on growing up? Mr. Pig. Mr. Pig? Yeah, Mr. Pig. That was the Piggly Wiggly store brand for Dr. Pepper, Mr. Pib.

Yeah. Mr. Pig. Shut up. That's great. Oh, here it is. I found a commercial for Aspen. You want to hear this? Oh, awesome.

Yes, I do. Let's play a bit of this. Come with me and discover a sparkling new world of refreshment. Aspen is here. Crisp and crystal clear. Aspen. The new soft drink with just as Snap, a tantalizing snap of apple.

Hmm. Aspon's different from lemon or lime. Discover Aspen. Yeah. The new soft drink with just... It's literally different because it's apple flavor. Because it's apple. I don't like how she's saying that.

I don't like it. Aspen. She's out walking around the forest of supposedly Aspen, Colorado. Snowy forest, yeah. That's funny, dude. Yeah, that's gone. Long gone. Long gone.

Oh, well. Well, all right then. Oh, I haven't let Tom know how late we are. I'll do that in a minute. Hey, that's great. Oh, gosh. You know what it means? It means we have a winner, Brian.

That's what it means. Remind us what, first Fletcher would say. Congratulations. Okay, what did she win today? Yeah, Raven, you won a copy of Garden Life and Atlas Fallen Rain of Sand. Congratulations. And have fun with these. Yeah, well done.

We will. Always fun having you on to, and may your performance, reviews always yield fantastic results. Bye now. All right. Hey, Dunaway. Real quick, I had the news doing this today, but I'll say it again. Brian's got this YouTube channel.

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And he said, yeah, that's great. Yeah. Yeah, I kissed my butt. Yeah. Kiss my butt. All right, Brian, let's play a song. And when we come back, Tom Merritt will be here after that. We got a recommendals.

It's just a Scott and Brian recommendals today. Yeah. We've chased our guests away. Yeah, we've had it. They're done. No, they had commitments. So as a result, we're just on our own today. But we got some stuff.

Brian's got an extra. I have a tiny little side extra as well. And we'll talk about all about that here in a minute. First, Brian, let's play a song and have a break. Yeah, this is a, let's see, this is a Nashville-based indie singer-songwriter by the name of Savannah Lee, or Savannah Lay, L-E-I-G-H, probably Lee. She has a brand new EP called Reminders of You, and she's also going out on tour as support for McKenzie McKay. So if you're going to go see McKinsey McKay on tour, then by golly, you're going to see Savannah Lee as well. This song is great.

It's called Reminders of You. Here is Savannah Lee. biggest regret was having to know the waters mm-hmm now what does it now what does it when feelings come but don't ever leave

closed inner stage couldn't turn us around was always headed the wrong way now the flowers don't bloom don't taste the way they used to and it feels kind of strange laying down in my room and the reminders of you the reminders of you when all I burned out

couldn't face it somehow this round about half a decade I circled it till I swung now now the flowers don't blue in the summers don't taste the way they used to and it feels kind of strange lying down in my room

and the reminders of you know the flowers don't bloom and the summers don't taste the way they used to And it feels kind of strange with your course in my own Reminders of you The reminders of you The reminders of you The colors are shown

The trials he belongs Do you want potatoes or a stovop-top stuffing with a chicken? Stope-top stuffing. Leave it to mom to serve stuffing instead of potatoes. I'll leave it to you to ask for it. It's your biggest dollars worth in television. And we're back. Who was that again? That is Savannah Lee from her brand new,

it's the title track. It's called Reminders of You. Nice. Tom Meriden coming. Everybody. You know him. You love him. Yeah. I do know him and I do love him. Yeah. I love him and know him. I mean, those are the two things you want in life is to be known and loved. To be known and loved. For sure. Yeah. And he's our guy. Isn't technology wonderful? It certainly is. Tom Merritt is here to tell us just how wonderful it is. And a week that seems like it is so AI driven that I don't know how there are other stories. But there are. And he's here to bring him to you. Tom Merritt and a very fetching sweater. Tom, good morning. Oh, he's muted. You're a muted man. The AI doesn't want me to speak. It was switching fetter.

My switching fetter, dude, speaks everything. I didn't need words. This says it all. Turns out, no matter how open source your AI is, it still cares what you wear. And that's what we've learned today. Tom, real quick, though, before we get to whatever we're going to get to, it is a little unprecedented this week. kind of crazy, right? The AI department, this whole open source, Deep Seek thing and everybody

freaking out and money getting lost on stock markets and all that years. Yeah, yeah, there weren't any other stories Monday and Tuesday. There's a couple of more today, but yeah, Deep Seek kind of sucked out of the, all the air out of the room. We did an explainer of what it is on Monday's DTNS, and then yesterday I had Andrew Bain on to kind of explain some of the hype around it. And Andrew is really fair he's like they're doing some really interesting things with efficiency but there's a lot of questions about how they got there so there's there's things we can see we know they're doing that are impressive and will be open source and everyone else will be able to benefit from them too but then there's some questions about did they really train up really fast or did they bootstrap

this by using open aIs models in fact Andrew said in earlier versions of deep seek if you asked it how it got its data, it said, I'm chat GPT4. They stopped it from saying that now, but that was a bit of a giveaway. On the other hand, these models do tend to hallucinate, so that's not totally, you know, a smoking gun, but it does indicate that there might be something going on behind the scenes. And Open AI and Microsoft are now investigating that. It is funny, and I will grant you the right to say, ha, ha, ha, open AI, you trained your model on everybody else's data and now Deepseek trained it on yours. That is a funny joke and you should

make it. It also doesn't really help you understand what's going on because it's two different things. The training data on copyright information is its own controversy, whether that should be allowed or not. What Deepseek did is actually something that everyone is doing. What would be controversial with Deepseek is that if they train their model on distilled data from open AI, they should say that. Like they should, no one would think less of them if they said that,

but trying to pretend like we created this new way of training when they really just did this other thing is really what the controversy is there. But yeah, Deepseek is an interesting model. It's Chinese-based, so if you're worried about privacy, you might want to take that into account.

I tried to ask it about Tiananmen Square, and it gave me a very nice geographical description of what the square is. and then that disappeared and said you know what actually i can't answer that oh you got more than i did reported that same thing where like they asked them a question about something about china and they got it got an answer and it disappeared and like a more yeah yeah i can't answer i can't answer questions about that maybe ask me something else you got more than i did i tried to do that exact thing and i got a message that said basically let's talk about something else and then

i asked it about one of these atrocities that happened in the Korean War perpetrated by American soldiers. It's like another kind of massacery kind of question. They had miles of information about that thing. Non-stop. So I, you know. How unusual. Yeah, weird, right? But to your point about

the whole like joke about everyone's mad that they may have trained on open AI and other models, but those models trained on everyone else without their permission is funny. But it's also kind of true. Like at some point, don't we have to stop? I think we kind of

Why is that an issue? Like, I understand if it's an underlying technology thing that maybe Open AI and therefore Microsoft or other investors or, you know, stakeholders in Open AI, they have some proprietary stuff, perhaps, that if that's what they're saying is being lifted, but if it's just information and data, you can't control that. That genie's out of the bottle, right? You can't. That's just out there. What are you going to do? Yeah, and technically it is a violation of the terms of service. for someone to use OpenAI's API to train their own model.

So there is a, you might be able to make a case for a little bit of hypocrisy there. But the bigger controversy to me is if you distilled a model and trained it on it, then it's going to have certain limitations that we know about when you train models that way. Also, you can pay Open AI for that. you can get permission to do that and deep seek didn't do that is what open ai is saying so there's also the u.s china of it all but but honestly it's it's more about did did they actually create a faster way of training the data this is what andrew was saying on d tns or or did they you know take a shortcut and then pretend like oh no we created this revolutionary new way

of training when in fact they didn't they did something that other models can do already. It seems like if anything. So let's say it's the ladder. They just lifted stuff to pull from the API. Did things against terms of whatever. You can say it however that worked. And forgetting all the pretzel twisting of who, you know, when is it ethical to take people's info and when isn't it? All that stuff aside. Making it open source and able to run some of its versions being able to run on even like a 16 gigabyte freaking V, you know, V RAM based PC. Like I could run one of those models locally. That seems like the revolutionary move to me is that it's now out of the black box or out of a centrally controlled nobody gets access to it open a i black box or anthropic or whoever else and instead

it's now your black box like that seems like the revolutionary move that's also not new you could do that with some gemini models uh there's some open a i mini models and uh metas models are all open you can argue that they're not fully open source but you're allowed to take them and run them locally and use them for commercial enterprises even in some cases. It's only when you get to a certain amount of uses that the license says, well, now you got to pay meta. But it's not like they're the first also hugging face and stable diffusion and there's a lot of open models out there as well.

What is impressive about Deepseek is their efficiency, their ability to run the model locally at high levels with low parameters and get a lot out of those parameters and doing some comprehension to say, well, we don't need to keep an entire index like everybody else does. We figured out a way to tell what parts of the index are important and only load those. It also breaks up queries across smaller nodes. So it may have millions and millions of parameters that could run, but it knows which nodes within them are experts at answering particular types of queries. And it's gotten good at identifying the queries and saying, only load these two nodes.

And that makes it more efficient to run as well. So you're right. There's some really impressive stuff. It's not entirely new, but they're doing it better than other folks. But the reason everybody was selling Nvidia stock was they were saying, oh my gosh, this thing was able to train with low-end GPUs really fast. No one will ever need to buy Nvidia GPUs at the level we thought. Let's sell off the stock.

And again, going back to what Andrew said in my interview on DTNS yesterday, do you think that if we have a more efficient model, even for training, even if the training part is accurate, that people won't just use it more? Like, it just makes it cheaper to do more stuff. It doesn't reduce the demand for doing stuff. If anything, it may increase that demand, right? Like overall, long term. It would be like saying, oh my gosh, they made a gigabyte hard drive back in the day. No one will ever need to buy hard drives again because there's so much space.

Now we've figured out how to fill up a gigabyte hard drive. and now we have, you know, 100 gigabyte hard drive, 10 terabyte hard drive. So it's kind of like that. Like, yeah, they may have made a more efficient way to train on lower end GPUs, but that means you could use that on the higher end GPUs and do it even more.

Yeah. Well, you know, even though we attempted when you came on today to go to a, you know, say, hey, is there anything besides all the AI stuff? It's still really interesting and hard to avoid, so we talked about it. It's the story of the week, man. Like, there's no doubt about that.

So I recommend if people want to understand a little more, and you haven't already, listen to DT&S briefing from Monday and Tuesday, we'll have a little bit about what Open AI is claiming and what Microsoft is investigating regarding the copyright stuff on today's DT&S. But yeah, it's the story of the week. So there's no getting around it. The other story I've been looking at this morning is this speculative attack on Apple chips. So if you have, I think it's the A15, let me double check here. If it's the A15 or the M2 or newer Apple Silicon, researchers discovered a speculative execution attack against them. The upshot is, these are similar to Spector and Meltdown, so they're not new kinds of attacks, but they're taking advantage of Apple's new way of doing speculative execution, and they only work in browsers.

You would have to visit a malicious website and then have tabs open with. sensitive information, you know, like Gmail, you might leave your Gmail tab open. Then if all of those factors are happening and someone was exploiting it, they could read your Gmail, you know, they could jump outside the tab and read what's going on in another tab. This is theoretical. Well, it's not theoretical. They were able to demonstrate it, but it's not in the wild. Nobody has been doing this yet. Apple doesn't think it's high risk. They are working on a solution to it, but they haven't got a patch for it yet. So patches in those cases are, is that actual, you don't flash the chips, do you or do you? Well, that's maybe why

they don't have a patch for it yet is, yes, you could do an e-prom or something potentially, but there also might not be a way to fix it, right? Sometimes these speculative execution attacks aren't fixable. Yeah, just have to design the chip different. I don't know

in this case whether they can fix it with firmware for how speculative execution happens on the chip or whether it's just going to be like, well, if you got that chip, be careful, don't visit any malicious websites. Which wouldn't be the end of the world, but, you know, It's not great. Well, part usual, it's always good.

I like that this stuff's getting tried at those levels so that it can then be known and then reaction. You know, you can react before it's a problem. So everyone always hears us and goes, oh, we got a big old hole. It's like, no, yeah, but that's the point. Yeah, there's always big old holes. You just don't know they're there until these researchers at Georgia Tech and Ruror University go, hey, somebody could do this. Maybe we should like plug that hole before someone figures out how.

to do it in the wild well plug all your info holes later today on the daily daily tech news show at uh 2 pm mountain time i'll be there today it's wednesday i'd love being on can't wait to get more tom is there anything else going on that you would like to mention yeah so that's d tns live uh and then there's d tns briefing uh the andrew main stuff is on d tns briefing that's the regular old d tns feed but if you haven't signed up for d tns live yet there's lots of ways to get it you can you can subscribe on youtube you can subscribe on twitch uh but you can get it as a good old-fashioned podcast as well. Just type in DTNS Live in your podcatcher

of choice if you don't already get it and it will come to you like a thief in the night. Ah, sweet. Like a... Like a chip exploit in the night. Under my umbrella. There you have it.

Tom Merritt, everybody. You can find them on all the socials as Ace Detect. Have a fantastic day. We'll see you a little bit later. Thanks, y'all. Bye now. See you later. better boy. Yeah, with your switching fetter. All right.

You know what we ought to do. I know. I know what. What should we do? What should we do? I think we should do this. Whoops, I got it right here. Well, what do you recommend?

Time to do recommendals. That's right. Things we've seen on streaming services that we think you, the home listener, might enjoy as well. And today it is just Brian and I. Nicole and Randy are out with things to do. But we're going to get right to it and start with Brian's clip. And that is to say clips, because we got a couple of these today.

Clips, yeah, I got two things this week. We'll start with the TV series, so number one, recommendal number one. This is a dark comedy, and what you're going to hear is people looking at a house being shown, and then the owners of the house hiding away watching the people coming in on a little camera on their phone, or like through a wise cam or something and they're watching on their phone in another room. Oh my gosh. Just that idea gives me a little anxiety for some reason.

Sure. Anyway, here it is. Let's play the clip. Oh, that's a song. Yeah, we'll play that one. Hold on. I got the wrong folder shit. Sorry.

This is... Music I recommend. Yeah, those are songs you're going to hear here on the show and it's going to be great. Okay, there's number one. Here we go. Wow, if it isn't everyone's favorite, lookie Louise. Hello, Craig.

It's Craig. I know. I thought we're making up names for each other. Piano's out of tune. Oh, I'll let the cellar know. I should do that. Look at Margo sunglasses and that purse. She looks like an AI-generated bitch. But do you like Margo? Because I can't tell.

I can tell. She is thrilled to see inside the house. Judge us. Your nipples are probably so hard. Oh, no, they're not. Aw. Well, who cares what Margo thinks anyway. Fuck Margo. Yeah, fuck Margo.

Unless she wants to pay cash. Then I'm happy to bend over and take that cash right in the ass. Okay, I know you're kidding. I'm half kidding. But I will burn this place to the ground if we sell to someone like her. She does not deserve this house. Okay. Okay.

We're getting emotional. Okay. I completely forgot until I heard the clip that my wife is watching this also or had watched it. Oh, good. And she really liked it. She probably is really enjoying it, too, or really enjoyed it. Yeah, of course, that's Lisa Kudrow and Ray Romano as the Morgans. They are selling a house and they're up there, and they're hiding away in their room as they watch the people come in and look at the house. And this focuses on three different couples who are coming in and checking the house. That is Linda Cardalini as Margo, who you're hearing there, Velma from the Scooby-Doo movies. Yeah, love her.

Yeah, she's great. She's been in a thousand other things, but that's something that people probably checked out. You've also got her husband played by Luke Wilson, who I initially thought was David Arquette, because he looked a lot like David Arquette when he first shows up on screen. Yeah. Then you've also got Tejana Paris, who's Spectrum or Photon in the Marvel universe, one of the, one of the marvels. You've got Poppy Liu. You've got Dennis Leary as Ray Romano's brother. I saw this scene.

I didn't get that they were brothers, so that's interesting. They're brothers, yeah. Okay. That was gnarly that scene I saw. So good. So many great people in this thing. What a great cast. The show is called No Good Deed, and it is on Netflix.

It's an eight-episode series about this house and the mystery that kind of goes along with it. And if you've seen shows like Dead Like Me, or no, Dead Like Me, is that the one? What was the one with Dead to Me? Oh, Dead to Me, right. Christine Applegate. That one, Good Girls with Christina Hendricks, very similar kind of vibe where it's like, it's comedy. it's dark comedy and they're usually murders involved

yeah it gets it has darkness for sure Kim Kim was like unsure about it at first because she's like oh these people are so stressful and I said what do you mean they really are they go from really funny to like you know you hearing Ray Ramano going and then the next scene it's like we killed a guy where we did a thing right

exactly so but it is really really good it came out last year the end of last year eight episodes, 30 minutes per episode, produced by Will Ferrell and a few other people, but Will Ferrell's a part of the production team on this thing. And it's really, it's really funny, but it is, it is dark. But it doesn't, it's not like depressingly dark. Like you can, you can watch this and have a good time watching this thing. Yeah, she ended up really, really liking it, watch the whole thing. She's like, oh, you need to see this. And I said, cool, but now I have no excuse because now Brian says I see it. So I'll see it. And Tina loved it too.

like so you know this is a good uh i know you're like you're like watch with your significant other and you're like me you're like a late stage uh ray romano fan right like i like him post everyone loves i've never seen everyone loves rayman i've never seen that show but it's so weird i know it's good i know it's universally loved but it's like yeah okay it's like behind seinfeld it may have been one of the bigger i think it was the second biggest of its era i don't know actually about that because maybe mbc had something bigger But the point is, you know, that was such a goofy, lighthearted, you know, family show type thing. And so when he does stuff like vinyl and this and certain movies and where he's like a mobster, whatever, it's such a different turn for him. I really like it. Really is. He's great. Yeah. Definitely a fan of Ray Romano.

And makes me kind of want to go back and watch everybody loves Raymond just in case it's something I'd get a kick out of. um always love linda cardalini always love lisa kudrow i mean this is it's a great cast it's um it's it's a it's a it's a really fun show and the um the the interplay between a couple of the characters i won't say who because i don't want it to be a spoiler but a couple of the characters uh one of these couples is just so fun to watch they just I don't know chew each other up basically on screen it's just

oh it's got Kate moaning in it from maybe you mentioned her she plays Gwen I did Linda Cardellini's little side side business yeah yeah right she's in that L word deal right

isn't that one of the old which I've never seen she's on yeah the L word Ray Donovan young Americans none of which I've seen oh no I did I watched the first season of Ray Donovan I really like her She's freaking great

I like her a lot She's really good. Linda Lavin, you're Alice. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, she just died, right? I think she just passed away. Oh, she did. Yeah, right.

She did just die recently. Like a couple of weeks ago, I think. We couldn't have killed her right now. We didn't. We dodged that bullet. Thank goodness. She was, I didn't know. She was in this.

That's great. She's in that Ellsbeth show. I know that. Anyway, well, that's great. Anyway, so yeah, good Netflix show for you guys. Go check it out. It's called No Good Deed. No good deed. All right. Number two, tell me about this clip. Well, this is a movie. You know, people were all expecting me to, I already watched one episode of the new Disney Spider-Man thing, and it's so freaking good.

Oh, really? Yeah, it's as good as it came out overnight and I couldn't sleep. So I watched it at 4 o'clock this morning, and I loved it. And it's only two episodes to... Oh, okay. I was going to ask if the whole thing drops. It sounds like you have to wait. Nope, just the first two episodes, and I watched the first of the two, and I really like it. So love the fact. They're bringing in a character that we haven't seen in the MCU films. We've gotten her on one of the TV shows that is MCU adjacent.

But I'm really excited about the – really excited about where her character is going to go and introducing that sort of thing. Is the art style as cool as it seems? It is. Yeah. It feels very comic booky, Steve Ditko. So it's got a very cool, very unique style. Kind of like how what if didn't look like anything we'd seen before. This doesn't look like anything we've seen before.

Oh, that's exciting. I'm excited to see it. Carter and I were talking about it the other day. I didn't know it was out, to be honest. I missed it. Yeah. Check it out. Yeah.

Cool. All right. So second thing is a movie. And it's a movie that it's up for an Academy Award. award. And, you know, this is the time when we go through all those Academy Awards. And here you go. Here is your clip. Dad used to say that childhood was like being drunk. Everyone remembers what you did, except you. But my childhood was sobering, Sylvia. I remember everything. Right from the

start. I'd always like feeling caged in, snug, and protected. It was a shock to be born premature. I wasn't fully baked and looked like a baby rabbit. I was named Grace Prudence Puddle, my twin brother, Gilbert. The nurse said we had two souls, but one heart. I liked that. I have no idea what this is. That is, and if you can believe it, that is the voice of Sarah Snow.

Snook, Shiv Roy from Succession, and you would never, like, after watching, we saw the credit, I'm like, wait a minute, that was Sarah Snook. Holy cow. Oh, okay. I like her. She is great, yeah. But never would have recognized her voice. It doesn't, because she plays such a demanding, powerful woman on Succession, hearing her doing more of a sad, demure voice just completely. did not, did not

connected to his hair. This is that max, the follow-up from the guy that made Marion Max, right? It is animated thing. This is a memoir of a snail. Yeah, the animated movie. We were just talking about this. I didn't realize this was up for best animated thing

or whatever. It is, yeah. And it's going to have a really hard time against wild robot and flow, both of which I think are, um, are, it's going to be one of those two, in my opinion. It's either going to be flow or wild robot.

or wild robot and both of those I highly recommend this one I would say is is good but be prepared that it's not going to be the feel good the feel good in of the winter if it's like mary and max it's going to be weird I mean that thing it's weird and it's a little and it's a lot sad yeah basically this main character grace um is this girl who who was born into some bad situations, goes through some really bad stuff in life, and then things just kind of get worse along her life. And it's got a little bit of a sweet ending. So it's a little bit of an up at the end, but I'll just tell you right now, this is, you know, you're going to see some stuff that kind of makes you sad. They're sprinkled through all that stuff. There's a lot of

comedy and kind of like, ha, that's kind of funny. And the animation is really cool stop motion clay stuff that is really, really good. Yeah. Anomalisa was his other was that, no, I'm sorry, that was just I think he was a Mary and Max, different person. Yeah, Marion Max

was the other stop motion animated film. The second R-rated animated film to be nominated. Oh, that was cool. I saw that. What's that called, though? Yes, Anomalisa, the one with third season of Fargo guy. Charlie Kaufman.

Oh, yeah, the Kaufman one. That is such a cool movie. Gosh, dang it. It was cool, but man, it was not what I was expecting. Not what I was hoping to see. A lot of animated man-weener, which is weird. Yes, there was. It's very odd, very strange stuff.

So in addition to Sarah Snook, you also get Cody Smith-McPhee, your nightcrawler, Eric Banna, your Hulk. That's sweet. And Nick Cave, who, you know, just sings about his red right hand. for peeky blinders and Australian musician Nick Cave How do we know Jackie Weaver? Why is that name familiar?

Jackie Weaver. Oh, Jackie Weaver. She plays Pinky, wherever her pinkie is. Why do I think of... IMDB is very slow right now, and I don't know why, but I can't get it to go. Jackie Weaver, yeah. She, like, a older...

Uh, older actress. Right. She's been around a bit, I believe. man this is having a really hard slow time it is let's see here what's going on Andy B what are you doing she she's a huge acumen is saying animal kingdom

I don't think no she's like an older actress yeah something like she's in she's in her 60s I think at least maybe even more let's see a lot of

what the hell is going on with my browser disaster artist in 2017 was one of her U.S. mainstream things. Silver Linings Playbook. Oh, she was the mom in Silver Lining's Playbook. There you go. That's where she's most familiar to me. Oh, Animal Kingdom. You know what?

I was thinking, Hugh Jackman, I was thinking it's that animal rescuer. What's the show with Joel McHale? Oh, the TV, the short series. The sitcom, yes, which is hilarious, by the way. I know it's already been recommended, but it's, it's so, it's so fun. That ended up getting canceled, right? That's gone. No. No, no. They're in the middle of their second season. Oh, they are. Oh, great. Yeah. I thought someone told me got canceled. Animal control. No, it's still, still going unless, unless it's been pre-canceled and they're just burning the last

few episodes, but I hope not, because that show is so funny. I kind of was on that, like, wait and see how it goes mode of that, but it sounds like, if they kept going, I'm, I'm in. You know, it's, but it's a sitcom anyway, so it's not like you, need uh yeah renewed uh got renewed ahead for its second season and then got renewed for a third season ahead of the second season premiere oh that's great okay because i'll tell you why i have this problem i i'll never forgive them for cutting better off ted after two seasons sure and doing it so abruptly it was just like done and i was so mad and even though it was a comedy and even though

it was really not like loose threads to tie up or anything it was just like bastard better off ted does have a through line that's a little bit more substantial than animal control. Animal control has multi-episode threads, but this, but yeah, no, it's, it's great. I have a little bit of a crush on Vela Lavelle, who plays the, um, the, uh, the manager of the animal control, uh, department. She's great. Nice. Nice. Yeah. Anyway, uh, so there you go. So my recommendation, if we go back to it, My recommendation is Memoir of a Snail. Be prepared, you know, great animation, sweet, heartbreaking story, and then no good deed on Netflix,

which is funny and dark. Nice. All right, good ones this week. Let's go for something a little different. This is a documentary that I watched on Peacock, Pacock. Peacock. I didn't see it on Freecock because I don't think Freecock exists anymore. I don't think they're done doing the free tier.

I don't think they do. I hate and I still get ads. I hate it, dude. I'm paying whatever level I get the ads gone, but it feels like too much. Oh, and then I tried to cancel and they said, hey, what if we only charge you a buck for the next six months? I said, okay. So right now I'm paying like a dollar a month for no ads. It's pretty great.

I highly recommend, by the way, all these streaming services, except Netflix, most of them will come back with a deal when you go try to cancel. Now, I haven't tried it. Oh, really? Oh, that's, ooh, I need to, I need to try that out. Yeah, just go like cancel one for the hell of it and see what it tells you. Because it'll tell you before you finish canceling. I can always come back and say, well, we need it for film sac, so I got to come back to it. But I can just see, do a little testing of the waters and see what I get. Yeah, it works great.

Anyway, here is this one that I saw in Peacock that I just happened to be over there already watching something else. I don't even know what it was. And I stayed for this. Maybe it's because we did a film sack on there. Something to happen over there. I don't remember. Probably. Anyway, I found it, loved it, wanted it, want to share it.

Here it is. Quentin's sort of a natural-born filmmaker. It's his passion. It's where he connects with the full range of human feeling. And I think that you really see the through line of his fascinations as a human being running all the way through what matters to him. Looking at race in America, looking at what is romance, commitment, honor, betrayal, loyalty, and people having to do the right thing. Goodness, with the guns at the end there. Geez, Louise.

Yeah, I did not make the connection. until I looked it up to do the quick TMS, what QT stood for. It's like, oh, of course, Quentin Tarantino. Yep, it's called QT8, the first eight. This is all about the original or the first eight films from director Quentin Tarantino. And it is basically a focus on those two decades, 21 years to be exact. And they talk, they do it in, it's interesting because they do it in chunks of three. So they see them as chapters.

his first three are very crime-based if you think about it so you got we're talking about his main stuff too it's not like oh and then he did a episode of er true romance or yeah he said they talk a little they talk a little bit about his writing early on so they do talk about true romance and they talk about natural born killers yeah all that stuff but only is like a launching pad for what would come next so the first three films obviously reservoir dogs pulp fiction and jacky brown are kind of these crime-focused movies. And then the next three are his genre films. So Kill Bill 1 and 2, Volume 1 and 2 are considered just the one.

The second one was his death proof. Yeah, death proof. And then the third one was the third one. Inglorious bastards. That's it. Oh, he called those. Sorry. I have the list in front of you.

No, it's all good. He calls those his justice, or they, I shouldn't say he. It's called his justice trilogy. Okay. Because they're all about somebody getting revenge or getting back or winning, you know. a fight or whatever. And then the final three, which ends at hateful eight, are his

I forgot what he called that one. But anyway, that's Django. That's, what's shit, how'd I go? Maybe that that may have included that what's funny is this split out into threes doesn't matter that much to the film, but it is interesting. Yeah, I was going to say, if they're lumping kill Bill one and two into one movie,

then Django Unchained, Hateful Eight and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood would be the last, the last, oh, the last three and they stop at eight. They stop at eight. So this is right before. In fact, I think this released right before once upon time in Hollywood. Oh, really? Okay. Because at the end, they talk about how that's coming and what his plans are and all that and that he's got two more of these in him. He wants to end at 10. They discuss that. Anyway, this is basically, to get to the bottom line of it or the point of it all, this is just a deep look at him as a director, where he's from,

what he did and what he's doing, and why he is considered a modern day, oh, two, and how he changed film forever and all the sort of stuff. And I'm a massive fan of Quentin Tarantino movies. They are not for everybody, obviously. But I think it's hard not to acknowledge his impact on the business. And they do not shy away from the fact

that most of these 21 years of filmmaking that they chronicle in this documentary are him working with what's his idiot from the studio. Robert Rodriguez? No, the guy. Oh, a Miramax, dude. The guy's in prison.

Yes. My God, why am I? Harvey Weinstein, cheese. Weinstein, crimey. They do not shy away from that mess. In fact, they lean into it, and it is real good that part. I was surprised because up until then I was like, because when they're talking about early part of the career,

they're showing old footage of him hugging him at the award shows and high-fiving him at events. And, you know, they had this money creative working relationship where Harvey had the money, Tarantino had the art and it was this symbiotic relationship that really benefited both of them and I thought to myself

are they gonna, there's an elephant in the room here. Are they gonna talk about this? Like I was, I didn't know when this came out but I'm like, well, if this came out before just glossed right over it kind of thing. Yeah, it came out post-2017 so I knew they knew about it. Wow.

So I was like, all right, what do we got here? And by the end, they finally have to face it. And they do it in kind of a chronological way. It's like they get to the end of hateful aid or they're working on hateful eight and that's when that shit started hitting the fan. And Tarantino and his response and everybody else's response, by the way, brand new respect for Michael, what's his name?

Madsen. Madsen. He had the most nuanced take on all that. Oh, really? Yeah, you expect to see that dude in an interview just kind of going, yeah, so we were bit, bit, bit. You just don't expect more like, I don't know, just kind of a grungy drunk guy or something.

Yeah. he was he was a he was enlightening in this documentary very interesting guy wow he got emotional just a he's just way more than you think he is i think or at least more than i thought he was um samuel jackson's in this jami fox cracked me the f up in this he's very funny uh bruce durn is in this robert forester an interview with him before he passed oh yeah they talk of they do a bunch with jacky brown talk a ton about that jennifer jason lee is in this lucy lou like everybody pretty much everybody who's somebody in these movies. Tim Roth, Kurt Russell, they get interviewed for this thing. Christoph Wall, Steve Buscemi. They didn't. Yeah, I hope they get Bushemi because

he said like four of them or something. Yeah. And they didn't have Brad Pitt. They didn't have, I mean, they have stuff with Brad Pitt like scenes and things and stuff from Caprio. Talk specifically to him. Yeah, they're not part of the interview or whatever. And it was fine. It didn't matter that they were or weren't. But they just talk about his process, how things worked, what the sets were like. There's a bunch of behind. There's a bunch of the scenes footage stuff, his close, close relationship with his editor who died of heat exhaustion in California a few years ago. It was just devastating to everybody because they all just love this lady. Her name was Sally. I forgot her full name, Sally something. They talk

about that a little bit. Anyway, it is great. If you are a Tarantino fan at all, or even if you don't like him, but you think there's something to be said about the art of it all, you really should see this. And I didn't realize how connected all the movies are. And I don't just mean thematically, sometimes they feel very thematic, but there are characters that are straight up related. There's obvious ones like

in Pulp Fiction, John Travolta's characters related directly to the other Vega guy, played by Michael Madsen and Resward Dogg. And killed... Yeah, Resort Like, that's it. Yeah. I knew there was that connection. There's more than that, though. Way more. Like so many. And they showed a bunch of them and they went,

they were like ding moments of like, Oh, really? That guy knew this. Oh, cool. Like Christopher, Christopher Walkin would say something in Pulp Fiction that is a direct reference to some other thing that even wasn't even made yet. Like he likes to do all these connections. Is there a connection between Christopher Walken and carrying that uncomfortable hunk of meddle in his ass and glorious bastards? Yes.

Like the war thing. That's where I would expect that. Oh, that's great. And also the other thing you're going to walk away with was something I already knew because I'd seen his, his talk. show but everybody likes to give shit to um he's a director to uh he just made that horrible borderlands movie um he played the bear jew oh uh yeah right can't think of his name that's wrong with my names today anyway uh who's the director bill eli roth geez he is one of the most articulate fun list that guy's great and he's all up in this oh really okay because they're

they're not just director friends, but he was the bear Jew, obviously, and then he was also in, I think he was in the Django as some other smaller character. Is he related to Timroth? No, no relation. Okay. No relation. So that dude, oh yeah, Red Fraggle's right. That was

getting on more to watch. Anyway, there's some connection there. I don't remember how they did it, but they illustrate it. Anyway, he's great. I feel bad his movies sucks so bad, the ones he directs because he really deserves better. He's a really smart guy and he's fun to listen to. Robert Forrester talking about how Jackie Brown came out of nowhere and revived the career. He

wouldn't have gotten the deal on Breaking Bad without it. He talks all about that. Yeah. They show a scene for Breaking Bad. Graham Greer, too. Like, I mean, Oh, yeah, same deal. That's the thing. You know, he resurrected the career of John Travolta. He resurrected the career of Robert Forrester. I mean, there's probably a good list. Oh, yeah. I'd argue Bruce Dern. I'd argue. Yeah. Yeah. Michael Madsen himself has, what's his career without? Tarantino. Like, but they all have this like crazy family vibe. And I didn't expect that. Um, he's also hard in some ways. And so, and so they get, they discuss that. This isn't like a totally glowy, let's put him on a pedestal kind of documentary. Um, he dumped Weinstein the second

that happened. Good. And he said the signs were there and I missed him and I feel terrible. But I didn't think they were really, I didn't know what was really happening. But, you know, Now that I look back in retrospect, I can kind of see what was going on, and I didn't know. And he just dumped him, just like straight out of there, switched to Sony and never looked back, which is a crazy thing to do. That's a 25-year friendship and working relationship that isn't so easy to just sever that stuff, right? So that was just really interesting. I loved it. I really liked it.

Tim Roth's also a fascinating guy to listen to talk. He's an interesting dude. and they go all the way back. I was hoping Harvey Kytel would be there. He wasn't, but there was a lot of Kytel stuff. I'm just, I guess all I'm saying is if you are a fan of Tarantino movies,

even a little, or just are a film historian or just want to understand the impact, it's really, really good. And I was riveted. They also have some outtake, like stuff at the credits that you want to stick around for. Oh, good.

Because I think Jamie Fox might be the most underappreciated funny human being. I know he's a big movie star and he makes movies and he's funny, right? Yeah. But Jamie Fox is freaking funny, dude. And he does the most dead on Tarantino impression you've ever heard. Well, and we know he does a dead on orange squat goblin impersonation. Absolutely.

He's just so good at that stuff. And he's, he made me laugh multiple times, like, real hard. Anyway, watch it. QT8, the first eight. I just put it on my, like, there's a little button that says add to my watch next. And so I'm going to watch this with or without, Tina. And you guys, the other thing I would say to the women in our listening audience, I want them to watch it because there's a tendency to think that if you are a male writer,

you write from purely a male perspective and you just miss it a lot. You write women wrong. You don't get it right. And that's true. It's kind of across the board. There are a huge bunch of women in this thing, including all the big screenings. people like Lucy Lou and you know everybody who's been on screen and worked with him but also behind the scenes people stunt people um these women involved in the production they are they all sit there

just raving about the fact that they think quentin tarentarantino has a woman inside of him and a black person inside of him and uh all these things inside of him because he writes these characters with such truth that they're all blown away by it they're like that is what i would say if this was me as instead of you know that's not what we say if that happens to right right which really surprised great great perspective from the white cis male but oh wow he does great with these other kinds of characters that's that's what you want in a director and a writer yeah yeah for sure and he that's stuff i just hadn't thought of before you know he he gives women characters a kind of strength that other writers just don't do yeah it makes you really yeah Jennifer jason

lee and uh uh hateful eight what a great strong character that Of course, Jackie Brown herself. I love hateful aid so much. I think it's still my favorite of all of them. But I also have my precluded. Did you watch the redux, the four, like splitting into four episodes thing they did? Twice, twice. Wow, okay.

That's eight hours of content. I need to watch that because I haven't watched it as a mini series yet. Because I think the theatrical is excellent. I think that the slightly extended each and putting it into four huge chunks like that really works for it. And it's fantastic version of that movie. I highly recommend it. Anyway, if you're a fan, must watch. If you're not, I still think you should watch it.

It's really good. Oh, and there's lots of cussons, so don't have the kids in the room. All right? Oh, okay. They don't hold back on that part. And also, Sam Jackson's a freaking hoot. That guy in real life.

He makes me laugh. All right. That is going to, oh, and they go deeper into his character from Django. That is the most psychotic thing that Sam Jackson's ever done, like, and they get into it. Oh, that had to be hard for him, too. Like, that had to be, I bet he talks about that, right? It's so good.

That's so good. Yeah. And they talk about how DeCaprio refused to use the N word on set. Or he didn't refuse. He just had a hard time doing it. So he'd have to reshoot. He was just struggled, struggled, struggled. And so finally, Sam Jackson sits him aside and says something to the effect, like,

you're this character. We are your property in this scenario. We, you own us. You call us whatever you want. And by the next day, he had completely turned on it all and become that character and became just brutal. It's a really interesting thing, how they all work to make each other feel safe to say it, to do it, to be it. And it still shocks audiences. But if you really look into the material, you realize just how subversive he is.

It's really good. Anyway, if I seem excited, because I thought it was rent. Yeah, no, I'm all in. That sounds great. Total mistake or a total accident watch, too. I wasn't even planning on. I just saw it and went. Oh, really?

That bright yellow pulled you in when you saw the thumbnail for it. You know, I love that yellow. Look at that. Yep. And that red stripe? I mean, it's very, it's very the bride. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, there you have it. That's our recommendals for the day. And we're going to finish out today with a couple of fun things. Yeah. We're going to start with this here if I can get to the right tab. Okay, here we go. So we had somebody write in or call in. This is someone either named Jan or Jam.

The file is unsure. And as you know, I'm no longer. I'm, these are surprised to me as they are to Brian. You're hearing them fresh like we all are, yeah. We do have a Jam, Madaco in the chat. Could be Jam. Could be Jam. My editor did not know, but it's all about running and being hungry while running is what this says.

Okay. So here goes. Hey, guys, this is Jam in Birmingham. Let's be jam. I'm calling for Pam Mass. I just want you to know, I listen to this show while I'm on my walk. And you guys talk about food more than you talk about anything else. And I just want you to know how difficult it is.

for me to deal with that sometimes because I'm starving right now and you're just talking about sushi and steak and ice cream. I'm about to go nuts. So have a great day. Love you guys. Ooh, nuts. Sounds really good right now. Yeah, thanks for adding nuts to the ice cream with you. Well, thank you, Jam, and that's great. I love these kind of calls. Keep them telling. For sure, yeah. Don't even think about that. Like, if you're on a runner, if you're on a diet, man, maybe ask your doctor if TMS is right for you. I know, right? It does feel like we talk about food a lot. Apologies about that.

But we love it. 801-47-10462. Keep them coming. All right? Don't stop sending. Don't stop believing. Finally, Toots McLaren in the chat would like to say this. He'd like a word about parades.

He says, hello again, Scott and Brian. It's Toots here. I was thinking about what Scott said sometime back about not liking parades. That got me to wendying myself about my hatred of the dreaded spectacle. So I guess he agrees with me. She'd be so happy. She's a verb. Yeah, she'd love that, except for the Y.

She wouldn't like that. Anyway. Yeah, she wouldn't like that, yeah. She goes, I came to the conclusion, what has set my deep-seated hatred of parade so firmly. Picture a 12-to-13-year-old boy with a bad, bad 80s haircut and gangly skinny legs with his socks pulled up to his knees just below his green corduroy cut off shorts. Already uncomfortable in his own form and not wanting to draw any attention to himself, he is made to, by some adults, walk out to the parade and hand in hand with another. boy of the same age and a bouquet of flowers. No, no. Hold on.

You don't say hand in hand. Just hand another boy of the same age of bouquet of flowers. Very different scenario. Very different parade. Nothing wrong with it, but you know. No, no, not at all. But, yeah. Anyway, same age, a bouquet of flowers.

Anyway, for F's sakes, how embarrassing was that? I could be wrong, but I am sure I've uncovered why I dislike parades pretty much my entire life. Thanks a lot, adults. Although, to be honest, parades suck anyway. I really like the show despite that. Yeah, I'm with you, dude. I can't stand them. It's not for the same reasons.

I just find them really boring and tiresome and always hot. You're always on the sun. Yeah. You know, and it's funny you bring that up because we talked about that Halloween parade that we went to on in late October. Nice and cool outside. You're in a jacket. It's cooler fall weather and it was great. That was a great parade.

It got me thinking about the other one, the only other one that I'd say is a great parade, which is the Dragon Khan Parade, which is everybody who cosplayed up for DragonCon walking by in a huge parade down Peach Tree Avenue. I don't know what street it is. Amy and Chuck could correct me on that. But they all come down, and so you finally get a chance to see,

oh, here are all of the Doctor Who related costumes. Here are all of the Stormtroopers. Here are all of the Rick and Morty's and all that stuff. It is peach tree. I got that right. Wow. Yeah, well done. It's been a while since there even.

It's nice. Yeah. And it is, it takes a long time. And again, it's Atlanta over Labor Day weekend, so it ain't, it ain't cool outside. It's miserable and muggy and hot and sweaty. But it's still, you know, there's no marching bands. There's no floats. None of that.

but you do get all of the Ghostbusters, you know, the Ecto ones that slowly drive by as well. So it's, it's, uh, uh, well, okay, I did, I get, I got peach tree right, Amy. I may have said Avenue, but come on now. Remembering it's peach tree. Name any street in Denver. Yeah, name one of them.

Martin Luther King Jr. Circle. That's it. That's it. That's a good as you get. There you go. Exactly. Name one single Colorado street. Yeah.

Uh, anyway. So, yeah, no, it's, that, that would be the other parade. is worth it and uh it's really cool i would agree if it was less humid that would be perfect because that time of year's not that hot it's okay yeah you know but yeah those kind of parades yes brian's absolutely right i would enjoy one of those but it's still i don't know it's just standing around it's just the standing around that's what it is i just get tired of stand and anyway uh thank you for your solidarity toots mclaren i appreciate it uh we're both toots in the end let's get out of here brian we're almost done.

Fryan, sorry, frogpants.com slash TMS. Fryan, Bribebitt. Anyway, frogpans.com slash TMS is the place to get all your stuff. You have precisely, let me just,

let'll check the calendar, how many day, you have two days to submit. Yeah. Yeah, get your film festival, 30 second film festival submissions in at film or at frogpans.com slash film fest. You have two days.

All right. Friday, it ends. Midnight, Friday. That's right. just how it is. Any other submissions sent to us after that time will be chucked in the bin with peace and love. Yeah, peace and love for sure, but chucked in the bin.

I mean, the truth of it is, if somebody submitted the next morning, I would still take it. We're not weird, but we're trying to get it all in by front of course. So get it in there if you can. That's going to do it for today's show. Brian, let's play a song and get the F out. What do you got? Now people are saying, what about Evans Avenue? It's like, okay, you're cheating.

You're Googling Denver and you're looking at the, that the, big streets and yeah there's a up in long month there is a main street amy so i was going to ask if someone said main street because everyone has main street yeah and a broadway and uh martin luther king boulevard and uh yeah yeah yeah of course state street you guys have a state street her argument is that there are a thousand streets in in atlantic called peach tree this and peach tree that listen i don't know i know i know i know of one because when i went to atlanta it was to the Journal of Constitution and to DragonCon. Those are the only things I've ever been to Atlanta proper for.

I've only been to their airport, and I'm surprised it's not called Peachtree Airport. It really should be, yeah, peach tree airport. Anyway, all right, let's get to this. Shane Maddox wrote in, shaved Maddox. Hey, hold on. Got to do this. Just slowly rotate. Very good. Uh-huh.

he says greetings stash and beard before scott asks yes i am taking a 360 degree selfie as i write this too late i already got i already got it uh it's finally time for me to turn up that one magical age that everyone keeps raving about 42 i know i'm ultimately doomed in the old lady clip here not anymore i know you're getting the dursch day but whatever happened to the very brief talk of the switchover being the recommended colonoscopy age we did talk about that The emptiness machine by Lincoln Park is still quite new, but it's quickly become one of my favorites. It's a bit hard to find a decent cover that's not AI generated, but I think the one by as day break seems to be about the best I've heard. If that one's not available, I, of course, trust Brian to pick something equally as fitting.

See all in a few months, Shane Maddox. Nice. It's always good to hear from Shane. Oh, here you go, buddy. Have a day to you. Yeah, I hope you have a good Dirst Day. Love it. Love it.

Great Ders Day. All right. Yeah, happiness, I'm sorry, the emptiness machine, or the happiness machine, definitely not a Lincoln Park song. A single that was released last year, as day breaks did this great cover right here, going out to you. Hope you had a great birthday, Shane. It was yesterday, but we had two people for yesterday. So, you got push, buddy. Sorry.

Yeah, you got bumped. Got bumped. It's all right. Happens. Yep, exactly. All right. Happy birthday, Shane. Here you go.

Here's your song. We'll see you guys tomorrow for a Thursday edition. the morning stream. Already under my skin And I know exactly how this end I let you cut me open Just to watch me bleed Gave up who I am for who you wanted me to be I don't know why I'm hoping for what I won't receive

Falling for the promise of the emptiness machine The emptiness machine Going around like a revolver It's been decided how we lose Because there's a fire under the altar I keep on lying too Already pulling me in Already under my skin

And I know exactly how this ends I Let you got me open Just to watch me played Gave up for whatever You wanted me to be Don't know why I'm open What I won't say Followed for the promise of

The emptiness machine I only wanted to be part of something I only wanted to be part of a part of I only wanted to be part of something I only wanted to be part of part of I only wanted to be part of something I only wanted to be born Then you get me open

Just to watch me bleed Gave up for whatever you wanted me to beg Don't know why I'm open Stop fucking naive I'll look for the promise of The emptiness machine The emptiness is shame The afterlife machine

Oh The afterlife machine Hello Hello, I'm a tailor And your pants size is frog You're always welcome at frogpants.com They carry on like that in public What do you suppose they do when they're alone?

Thank you.