The Morning Stream - TMS 2772: Flaccid Water

Episode Date: January 30, 2025

Inappropriate Tail Thoughts. Curved and Floppy. What's His Name with the Sister? Old stuff just feels good. Drop the Hard and stay with the Wolf. Don't piss on the floor ya hoser! CONTROL-ALT-DELETE Hair Salon. Jake John Bovi. Drink a hot beverage out of a hockey player?! Tortilla blanketing all of you! Greep Altitude. It's Your Turn, Heartburn! Dreamy Rat boys! Sink cereal. Eating Cereal like a monster with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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slash retail. If Iron Man and Wonder Woman walk into a bar, the first thing they would do is discuss how to support the morning stream at patreon.com slash TMS. It's canon. Coming up on the morning stream, inappropriate tale thoughts. Curved and floppy. What's his name with the sister? Old stuff just feels good. Drop the hard and stay with the wolf. Don't piss on the floor, you hoser. Control, alt delete, hair salon.

Jake, John Bovey. Drink a hot beverage out of a hockey player? Tortilla blanketing all of you. Greep attitude. It's your turn, heartburn. Dreamy rat boys. Sink cereal. Eating cereal like a monster with Wendy and more on this episode of the morning stream.

Night is the most dangerous time, so extra precaution is needed. Carrying a light reflecting article provides better visibility. To be on the safe side, walk facing traffic and wear light-colored clothing for quicker recognition by approaching drivers. If you knew it was me, would you have listened? The Morning Stream, Conan, the Barbarian. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to TMS. It's the morning stream for Thursday, January 30th, and it is 2025. I'm Scott, and that's Brian.

Hi, Brian. Hello. Happy Thursday to you. Yeah, it's a Thursday. You know what that means? It means Wendy's here to scold us and tell us how to live our lives. Yep. Other stuff, too.

Make us do better. Yeah, that's a good way to look at it. We're just here to improve the way we live, not change it entirely, you know? We're not here to tell you how to live. We're telling you that there may be some alternatives to the way you're living now. Exactly. Tell you how to live better. Yeah. So grab a brochure, grab a seat.

Doesn't matter where you sit and enjoy the show. Hey, everybody, we're here. We're going to get it going and we've got a couple of quick things here. I am starting to put new comic strips up on frogpants.com. Which takes you to the newsletter over there on Substack. And I think you ought to head over there and get them because I got one coming today that is a biting social commentary about AI. in the wake of all this business this week with the with the AI stuff I hinted at yesterday but I'm going to start using it as a platform

because it's easy to distribute over there it's a more regular place to put comics and it won't just be oh here's a new Fred and Can here's a new whatever it'll be all sorts of stuff I just need a place to brain dump my comics and I'm going to do it there so I like the one you did talking about the history of political political parody comic strips

or you know comic strips that that poke fun at current events and problems and issues and things like that that was fascinating like seeing all those

those older ones and so I'm loving this new direction yeah it's cool it's a lot of fun to do and that one in particular is still up there and it's public

so you can go see it but basically I got on this tear one day where I was like you know how I feel about sometimes history is the best way to deal with like current events because you're like oh yeah well a lot of this has happened before we just got to go back and look and just because we weren't alive

didn't mean it didn't happen and and that sort of thing so I was I got curious I'm like well wait a minute political cartoons been around as long as I've been around but when did all this start and it turns out it's like 1700s-ish there's a couple of really specific dudes responsible for its for the explosion of that kind of satirical illustration they would call it then today we call political cartoons back then they called it that and then every paper's got a guy on staff who does this stuff and i just watch zodiac again and it's all about uh um barrenthall what's his name with the sister and uh shit gillan hall thank you you know what the sister how did i get it from that but i you know you know the guy with the

sister sister uh the whole half of that story's about him you know figuring out who the zodiac killer was and he's a car he's the freaking cartoonist for the standard examiner or whatever that's right yeah i'd forgotten that that was uh they just got in this mood of like yeah political cartoons how do they work and so i deep dive put them up there and you can read it all about it too uh among other things over at frogpants dot club that's your simple easy to get to uh very good join the club hey uh also we got one more day for the film fest this is your last morning all right it's tomorrow by midnight tomorrow. That's it. That's all you got. Brian's ready to judge. I'm ready to judge.

Yeah. Oh, we're going to try and even do a live, a live, as many of the judges as we can do a live little judging thing where we all watch them together. And it's going to be fun. Looking forward to that. Yeah, yeah. And like we said, we're not going to be like, we're not going to rip on people. We're just going to. Of course not. No, I mean, God, you guys put in, no matter, even if you, your 32nd film festival, entry took 30 seconds like to to come up with the idea the concept execution and submission took 30 seconds we're still going to say you know what that's 30 seconds more than I put into it that's right good job that's right we're going to give you even the most baseline basic credit if you just tried right that's all that's all that's required and then some of you're going to do some excuse me amazing creative thing and you're going to win so yeah I don't know who you are

yet but we're going to find out I haven't previewed any of these because I don't want to spoil myself until we're going to do it live with each other and you guys are then going to get a big old prize package all the details if you're still thinking i could do this in like a couple hours you can head on over to frogpans.com slash film fest slash film fest is where you go it's not slash film fest slash film fest i may have confused people parkpans dot com slash film fest that's it that's the whole URL right right right you know sometimes repeating is a mistake Anyway, go check that out. H, TTP, then a colon, then a slash, and then another slash.

Oh, shit, I forgot the Ws. There's three of those. And don't forget the certificate at the beginning now. You got to have those. All right. I'm going to play a call for us, if you don't mind. Cool. Of course.

This is a, just a nice call from Racer 951, who, we like that guy. He's great. We do. Yeah, he had this to say. Hey, this is for TMS. This is Racer 951 Y. The one of, if not the only, hot rodders and one of many 40K lovers in the tadful. Just call and say hi.

I don't know. I have a question for you all. It's just nice to hear somebody. You know, he's into his 40K figure collection stuff and he just wants to just poke in. It's cool. Yeah. I thought that was really nice. Well, thanks, man.

Yeah. That was an older call. I've had that for a while, so I'd heard that one already because it wasn't It was before the vetting process. Yeah. So I had a little bit of pre-knowledge on that. But that was very nice. Now, that's what I have not, though.

This is apparently a bionic woman response. I love this vague headline that we get from your vetting team. Yeah. And I don't even know what it means. Bionic woman response. It's something to do with Randy, so I think I kind of know. I think he maybe brought something up on a recommendals or something. Anyway, hopefully this isn't too.

Randy Centric because he's not here to hear it, but let's find out. Hey, this is Jam and Birmingham calling for TMS. I'm just curious if anyone else listening to Randy's clip of the Bionic Woman had an overwhelming emotional response to that clip because it struck something in my childhood memory that I could not even suppress. It was just, it was weird. And I'm just curious if that happened to anyone else. Love you guys.

Talk to you later. Bye. I guess I had a massive crush on, what's her name? Jamie Summers What's her name? What's her real name? Can they give her name? She was almost Captain Janeway.

Right. Yes. I still, Lindsay Wagner. Lindsay Wagner, thank you. That's right. There's a little piece of me

that would have loved to have seen her as Janeway, even though I think the pick was right and in the long haul, I'm really glad that Catherine zip her head. What's her name? What's her name? What's wrong with me and name? Mr. Chiquotay, please.

Mr. Paris, come to my office, Mr. Paris. This is not bode well for us today. We're five minutes into the show, and we're not able to remember anybody's name. Kate Mulgrew, Catherine Zipperhead. Geez, louises. Well, you know, maybe she goes by. Like, my name is Catherine Zipperhead, but you can call me Kate Mulgrew. It's my Hollywood name.

My stage name. I mean, I love her, so I'm not sad. that she's there, but to see a Lindsay Wagner, like an alternate universe where she was her, just to be, just for curiousness sake, I would have liked it, because I had such a crush on her as a kid. No, but I feel that. Like, you know what, right now, old stuff just feels good, you know? Yeah. In times of, in times of turmoil, there's frustration.

Sure. You go back to what was, what you at least felt like was a simpler time. I know it actually wasn't. When I was a kid, there was all sorts of horrible stuff happening in the world. but you didn't know because you're a kid and all you're exposed to are fun cool stuff hopefully in the family you're in so I know that already

you don't have to write it and tell us that it's all in your own head how great things used to be but fine I still take comfort in it I want to go back to some of it oh yeah for sure so yeah for sure no that's there is that I do love that that's you know why we do our

seen it before but binging it again it's kind of what I'm getting with The Simpsons these episodes I've never seen but it's still going back to something that that brings me comfort. I'm in the middle of season 30, and this is a little bit of a rougher season. Oh, what are we talking?

What season? Do you know the other? It's just, maybe they weren't firing on all cylinders like they normally are. Like, there's a, they feel like there are a couple of, you know,

there was a whole episode on, on Homer watching Stranger Things without Marge. Oh. So relatively recent So this is what like season 30 Probably 32 or something Something like that Season 30

And yeah And I don't know what year that is 2017, 2018 I think so Is that about when that started I think Something like so But anyway So a little bit of a

Maybe a little bit of a rough patch But you know what Even when the Simpsons Isn't firing on all cylinders They're still firing on more cylinders than many other sitcoms so sure Stephanie says I need to watch Stranger Things for the love of us all I've seen Stranger Things season one and two I just haven't

I just haven't carried through I don't I don't know why it's not like I didn't like it I did I really like season one season two is fine three and what do we we have four and so there's a fifth coming right do I have that right so I think so maybe I'll just wait for this fifth one and then and then binge the last I don't know why. Will you go back, will you go back to, like, rewatch the first two to kind of... No, I'll just recap it.

No, you'll just start for... Yeah, recap, yeah. Yeah, there's plenty of good recaps out there. Probably do that. Because there are things I've forgotten, clearly. I mean, it's been a while, so... Yeah. That was, like, pre-pendemic.

And the fifth season will be the last season, so it's a good... That'll be a good one to, like, wait for, and binge, and... Yeah. And, uh... Mason Gregor in the chat says this current season, or most recent season, it's really current but four was really good he says so does rainbow bright no i mean you know i'm not it was good it's a phenomenon for a reason i'm never i've never been in the boat of like uh stranger things me i don't feel that well i can't believe season four was three years ago is uh may 20 22 what jeez

what yeah yeah that's really three years ago holy shit it's really three years ago like almost three years ago the two years and nine months but or eight months but that sounds like an insane thing to say that's crazy right yeah if they don't hurry up you know all the kids are going to be like adults by the time they do the final season 11 is going to be 40 i mean i think she's already in her 20s right i think so yeah they must all be so yeah billy bobby brown is uh just turned 20 okay uh about to turn 21 all right februate 19 she's already married says icor is she really think she is she i know she's she got married she's only 20 she's uh chat chat says she got married oh she did she married bon jovi's son jake bon jovi that's right yeah that's right

she is married you know what if my name was jake bon jovi i would change it to jake anything else not that it's nothing to ron bon jove well yeah like the bon jovi part you got to get that out of there really yeah because i i don't know why that annoys me it's not that Bon Jovi, he's, that's great. Your dad's John Bon Jovi. He's a huge success and you should be proud and it's great. That's not the problem. It's just something about being, everyone will have an expectation of you if they hear,

oh, by the way, Jake, or I'm sorry, John, yeah, Jake Bon Jovi is coming over tonight. Oh, really? Oh, awesome. Oh, he was a little bit of a disappointment. I really thought he'd be. Or just change it to John Bovie or something. You know, just John Bovie makes it up. Jake to John Bovie.

I don't know, but anyway, I will catch up to it. I'm sure it's, you know, I like that weird kid that looks like a bird. What's his name? Finn Wolfhard. Finn Wolf Hart. I like him. Did you keep that name? The Finn part, yes, the wolf hard, I would consider.

I would probably go Finn Wolf. Just get rid of the hard. There you go. Yeah. Yeah, just drop the hard. Just stay with the wolf. Finn Wolf. And he's still, I mean, he's still, he has a look of a gangly young person.

Well, he's, he's fitting into that, uh, hot rat boy, or what they call him, the hot rat boyfriend. Oh, yeah, a rat boyfriend thing. With the, uh, with, uh, Shalamay and, uh. So, Shalamee, the dude from the, the bear, and who else? Right, yeah, Jeremy Ellen White, uh, uh, see, and I would think the girls and want that, that rat boy the most, because he's buff, he's ripped. Yeah. Well, these other two look like they are looking for weed in the backyard. Jeremy L. I mean, you put clothes on Jeremy L. White, and he looks like he's looking for weed in the back of a panel van as well.

Yeah. I will say that it's a genre, they're starting to be genres of people. And this rat boy thing is one. Yeah. Whatever they want to call the one that Sidney Sweeney's part of, there's a genre of young one. Sure. We had the, you know, we had the manic Pixie Dream Girl for a while with Zoe Day Chanel and, uh... Yep. Uh, bring that one back.

I like that one. Yeah, I think that was, I... Somebody please let me know. That one's not looked at favorably or it's like a... Oh, is it? It's considered an insult or something. Oh, I don't know. I want to say Randy, when Randy talked about that trope a couple years ago, I said, yeah, you don't, we don't want to use the term manic pixie dream girl anymore.

Really? That's a thing? I didn't know that. I moved Catwoman. Oh, that's why he's moved Catwoman. I like Brayboh Bright, Monica, in the chat. Yes, it is. No, it's not.

Well, I'm glad to see that we all come together and agree on something. Once again, agreement just around the corner. Oh, okay, because it's a male fantasy. Gotcha. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. Oh, well, Kim, it can be a female fantasy, sort of, can it? Right. I don't know.

I mean, are these women? and fantasizing that Timothy Shallamee is an actual rat boyfriend? Yeah, is that, or did we project that? Did we, because it's possible men do this, we may have gone,

yeah, look like a bunch of rat boys. Guess the girls are into rat boys now and that's right, right. Yeah, I think we probably did it more than the women did it. Yeah, it's a good point. I'll tell you, hey, the women in our audience, I'm always, always ready to listen to

because there's a shit we get wrong, you know? Lots of it. I think that that Shalom May kid, you know, despite his 360 hacking days on YouTube, I do love that about him. I think that's a great place to start your career as now one of the biggest draws. I mean, the guys have bona fide movie star now. He really is, yeah.

And he's what? How old is he? He's got to be like 20 something now, right? He's almost 30. He like turns 30. He was saying on SNL, I turn 30 next week or something. What? Is that true?

Timbo, Thay. Chalah, Timothy Chalameh. Yeah. Yeah, 29 turns... Oh no, I guess December he turns 30. Okay. Well, he is... He's the real deal.

Like, it's easy to get... I guess he said, I'm going to turn 30 this year. Was he on... He did SNL this week or last week, right? He did, yeah, this last Saturday. I liked his thing back when... Maybe they did it again. I don't know, but the thing he did with...

Oh, whoever was dating Ariana Grande for a while. Big goofy, doofish-looking dude. John, no. What's his name? Damn it. Anyway, that thing where they're going, Yee, yee, that thing where they do, like, the rapper thing. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Oh, Pete Davidson, yeah. Yeah, I love that bit. Oh, my gosh, it makes me laugh. That's so good. But I don't know if they did it this week. They didn't do it this week. All right. It's too bad.

Oh, Lord, on high. are you all right oh another one number two oh those those were big and the the cat sleeping on her perch just ran that was that was enough to get anara high tail in it out of here you do sound a lot better though you sound like you're on the tail end of this thing other than it is you know inching towards healthy inching ever slow so slowly so so slow low slow low or so slow slow so slow so slow so slow so slow so slow jolly john bovey i got it john bovey uh well anyway so i know Pete's not on the show, but they bring people back all the time, Rufus. Yeah, all the time. Yeah,

I don't even, I never assume that they're not willing to go, oh, guess who's here today? Dana Carvey just walked in for something. Like, they do it all the time. Yeah. Oh, yeah, especially this season for the 50th, everybody's showing up. Yep. Yep. Yeah. And that's fine. I like it. I think it's great.

Although, there are people, they're not going to bring in certain people. What's his name? Who's the, You can do it. No one likes him now. Oh, Rob Schneider. Yeah, I guess not. They're probably not going to bring back... He's a shit.

Maybe Victoria Jackson because of her health issues, but prior to her revelation, she was kind of going off the deep end with stuff. Yeah. I didn't know she was sick. She all right? No, it's a cancer thing. Oh, man.

Yeah. Wish that on anyone. I don't care who you are. I know. Exactly. You know what I wish on people I really don't like and I think are bad for society? I don't wish cancer on them.

I wish they would just tribut. rip into a giant hole full of hot coals and spikes. Oh, wow. Okay. But survive. No, no, no. I want them to, I want them to, I want them to be ended that way. I don't want it to be as slow, painful death is what I'm saying.

I don't want to wish cancer on somebody, but if they want to fall back into a pit of vipers or whatever, and it's over in like two minutes, that's okay. I'd say permanent ingrown toenails, 10 of them, all 10. That's good. That's good. Yeah. No, no death. No death. You know what? That's good.

I like it. Brian. There'll be times you wish you were dead, but, but, you know. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and I'll amend it. And I'll say there's certain people that if they could just get really explosive diarrhea when they are on camera. Like if they're on a podium, let's say. And they just have uncontrollable diarrhea. Or maybe, and just spitballing here, maybe during their confirmation hearing. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, that's good, too. Nothing but explosive diarrhea. Have him just sit there going, oh, oh. Is there something wrong, Mr. Whatever. Can I, I need a minute, you know, and then they never, it never ends for him. Yeah. Oh, man. Anyway.

And I'm not going to, I'm not going to bring anything up. Like, I'm not going to talk about the politics of anything, but Jimmy Kimmel had a hilarious thing last night where he showed a current confirmation hearing. And the wife of the person who is getting. confirmed in the background listening to all the things that this person is being accused of and all of a sudden you hear boom boom boom do no way that's great uh to disturbed angel in the chat calm down we're playing we're taught we're joking all right this is what we do everything is not a serious take we're not advocating anybody die or be sick yeah yeah all right we're just joking around that's how you deal with your frustration we're not wishing ill on people

Oh, you hear. You were just venting. That's what you do. Let us have our moment. Yeah. All right. I know Talia is, but we're not. All right? Okay. Another quick thing before we go, you saw this, and I didn't know they'd come down to it. So what happened? They're down to three names for your Utah hockey club, Scott. Three names. That explains why my neighbor was yelling at his dog so loud. Long story. Oh, really? Is that really? If you guys ever hear, let's put it this way. No, I can't because it'll give something away. Never mind.

I have a, let's just say, I have a Canadian neighbor who was very mad at his dog yesterday, and I've never heard anyone yell like that. So, I'm just saying, Canada, you're supposed to be nice. You're supposed to, you know, all the stereotypes we have about you guys. It didn't, it wasn't clear yesterday that that had taken hold. Posting that poop on the floor, eh? What you're doing? You stupid dog, eh?

I'm going to throw a hoser. I'm going to throw a piss jug at you, whatever they do up there. Anyway, so what are we down to then? narrowing it down to three, and I want you to tell me which of these three is your favorite. Number one is Utah Hockey Club, just keeping it what it currently is, but you've been around the city and stuff. You've seen how many people are wearing the Utah Hockey Club merchandise, so keeping it as that name might not be such a bad idea. No, but I also say to those people, don't buy that shit until we know, you know what I mean? Right, right.

It's your fault or buying it. it all right uh second one is utah mammoth that's the one i voted for or the one i would want i like mammoth yeah they had they were originally talking about so all the ones they were talking about initially were uh mammoth blizzard uh outlaws venom and yety and the yety cooler people said nope not using yety yeah trademark stuff trademark issue yeah that's the one that i think had the most votes when they did the initial survey and then they ran into this trademark thing so which is funny because is it just because hockey is on ice and you put ice in a cooler and yeti makes coolers is that the um i mean i assume it's

just like a confused like people are get confused confused like oh i want to go see the yeti tonight oh the cooler no no the hockey team or they say hey drink a hot beverage out of my yetty out of a hockey player like i agree with you that's dumb but i think they're probably just some baseline like Gotta protect our trademark, and I'm sure that's all it is. Okay. I wonder if the same thing happened with Blizzard, if Dairy Queen said, nope, you can't call it the Utah Blizzard. Yeah, or Blizzard Entertainment was like, hey. Oh, sure, yeah.

You can't feed the Blizzard. So what are my other options? So those are the first two, hockey club and Mammoth. Third one is the Utah Wasatch, which is a new one that they've been talking about. So we have the Wasatch Mountains. That's what that's based on. Exactly. Which I think is a Native American.

American origin name for those mountains. It is. It's a Ute, Indian word meaning low place and high mountains. That's right. That's right. The Wasatch Front, we call it a lot, stuff like that. Yeah. Okay. And they're saying that if they make it Utah Wasatch, they could still have a

Yeti as the mascot. They just won't be called the Utah Yeti. Oh, right. Because you still got to go mascot. So if you do one of these vague ones, you're going to have to pick something. I'll bet they do that anyway, even if they end up. No, I'll a mammoth, they'd probably do a mammoth, they'll probably do a mammoth, a willy mammoth looking thing. Imagine that, though? Like, what the hell does that look like?

Just a guy with a hairy elephant head? Well, I could tell you, Scott, because the Colorado mammoth, the lacrosse team that I have season tickets to, has a woolly mammoth as the mascot. No way. Okay. So do you have a, do you have one you can show me? I'm going to send you a photo, yeah. Take a look here. Let's see here.

Because it just seems like a big, big, big. old head, right? Like a big old. It's a big old, it is a big old head. Oh, yeah. You know what? This is all right, though. I like this. It's not bad. I mean, I don't know how, you know, whether ours would be even close to this, but this is all right. I like it. And ours would probably be white, snowy white or something, if I had to guess. Right. Kind of like our racial makeup here in the state. That's not exactly true. We have a great, we have a lot of Hispanic folks, islanders.

we got some people think it's all just a bunch of white Mormons that's not what people think it is but keep thinking it to keep our costs low and keep thinking we're weird i'm totally fine with it like to reiterate we're weird as hell here you don't want to live here it is not the most beautiful state in the union and we don't have incredible parks and amazing places to visit so stay home and keep our housing low all right here we go here's the one i was trying to send you okay oh okay yeah he's right up there is this did you take this shot i took that one and then uh that's awesome yeah i love it that's the woman who sat behind me for a little while yeah she looks very uh into her phone at the moment she there's so many who are just into their phone that just

basically sit there like oh they score it awesome and they look up from their phone do you have a hair place called hair editors is that a i guess that's awesome yeah editing hair instead of i had my hair edited i love that oh the official The official salon sponsor, it says, up top, after all that. There you go. See, yeah. All right. Well done. Look at all these hardcore fans.

Ready to roll. Getting a little pinchy zuni here. Yep. You can, the next one. Oh, yeah, look at this. You guys are going to love this. Is this recent? No.

Let's see, when was that taken? I love it, dude. Because I'm finding some great ones, actually. That one was taken on, oh, yeah, no, that was about a year ago, February 23. third 2024. Look at these two. They're jealous. These three.

They're like, man, how come we're not with the mascot getting a picture? Exactly. Those are the people in the area that, uh, where people,

uh, um, wheelchairs, crutches, things like that can get accessible seating because they don't have to go upstairs or anything. They can just come right in from the main door and we go up, long flight of stairs and then down a long flight of stairs to get to where these seats are.

And do you get to, pick those every year? How does that work with season ticket type stuff? We can. We can change. We don't want to change. But you could if you wanted to. You could just like... We could if we wanted to. I'll send you one more here. Yeah, I like this one. Here we go. Yep.

This is the this is Rocky, the Denver Nuggets. Oh, it's like you look like a Pikachu tail on it. Look at that thing. Yeah, kind of is with the electrical tail. The two people next to me are Sean and Jenny who were

former neighbors of ours and then there's Tina making the greatest face looking at what Sean is about to do to Rocky's tail Yeah About to touch Rocky's tail

About to Well he They'll send you one more else This is a rat Right here This is a rat boy by the way That is a rat boy Yeah

That's the genre of boy we're talking about That's right All right Here's one last photo What is Brian's genre What Sean is about to do with the tail. All right.

Oh, geez. I don't know if that's appropriate. And his wife looks to the other direction. That's good. That's right. And Rocky had no idea. And this guy back here is stoked back here right behind his head here. Yeah, he is.

He's totally laughing at what Sean's doing in the tail. That's awesome. That's great. I love it. Well, never give up your, oh, geez, look where your eye is on this, where we have the screens looking at. I have Sauron on there. That's right.

Well, that's great. So my vote is for, I could go Blizzard. I think Blizzard's cool, but I think it's probably... Well, Blizzard's not one of the options. Oh, it's not, okay. It's Mammoth, Hockey Club, or Wasatch. All right. I would do Mammoth.

Wasatch is too exclusive to this place. If you didn't live here, you'd have no idea what the hell that meant. Sure. And it would just be kind of lame sounding. So I think you do something cool like Mammoth. Yeah, I think Mammoth is good. Yeah. And you can do that.

I mean, even though there's an IHL team called the Mammoth. Or no, no, yours is a, it's sorry, it's lacrosse, isn't it? It's lacrosse. I keep thinking it's IHL for some reason. And NLL is what the National La Crosse League. And we have the Grizzlies already, but that's an IHL team. And that's a hockey team, but it's, you know, lower farm team thing. Right.

So they can't do that. And then also, let's see, Mammoth doesn't, have any Zs in it so we break the Utah right you don't have the double Z business I don't know if we dared temp fate that's why Blizzard would have been a great one Utah Blizzard would have would have made so much sense yeah we'd have the two Zs yeah

all right we'll see what they do that's great I'm glad you found that I'd forgotten that they were still trying to negotiate the whole deal so yeah good to know all right you guys for the next four home games they're going to be letting fans vote on iPads that they have set out at the at the

stadium so we'll see the fans say. A little kiosk kind of thing where I can just... Yep. Oh, that's cool. I don't know that. Yeah. I'm supposed to be getting tickets and I keep being told they're coming and then the person

who's supposed to get me tickets keeps saying, oh, we had to use them for a client or, eh, we had to... Oh, no. Really? Yeah. I really want to go. And then the neighbor who should be able to provide them is still a little cagey about it. Gotcha. Even wanting to socialize it all.

Which I understand. I'm not complaining. It's fine. Yeah, of course. Of course. I'm not sure for your hands. handouts? Or maybe I am. Anyway, let's get to the news. We have some news and we shall cover it. It's time for the news brought to you by. Brought to you by Coverville today at 12 p.m. Mountain

Time, Twitch.tv.tv. Coverville. Celebrating what would have been Michael Hutchinson's 65th birthday. Yeah, dude from NXS, lead singer of NXS would have been 65 if you can believe that. So, of course, covers of things like, Need You Tonight, Mediate, Mystify, Never Tear Us Apart, New Sensation, What You Need, Devil Inside. My God, they did so many great songs. And some covers by Michael Hutchins, including a Rolling Stones cover that Michael did with the London Symphony Orchestra, which is really cool. Wow. Yeah, they were a hit machine for a while there, weren't they? They really were, yeah.

That one album. Was that album called? It was called Kick. It was the, yeah. That thing was on permanent repeat in my car for a while. It was. I mean, you know, everything from guns in the sky to calling all nations. I mean, that thing, even the non-hits were awesome. And I'm bummed by the number of bands that do covers of Need You Tonight and don't follow it up with Mediate.

As far as I'm concerned, that's all one song. If you're going to cover one, you better cover both of them. That's like Boulevard of Broken Dreams and the other one that's on American Idiot. I love how those two songs roll together. Oh, that it blends right into it. Yeah, and you never hear them. When they play them on the radio, they're always separate, it's super annoying because when you hear it on the CD or whatever,

it's like magical. But it's also eight and a half minutes long, so I get it. If you're going to cover, what's another example? If you're going to cover Eye in the Sky by Alan Parsons Project, you better cover that instrumental thing before it, which I think it's called Taurus. Yeah. No.

Is it Taurus or is it? Ford Taurus. No, it's, Taurus is something different. It's called. That sounds right to me. It's the thing that the Chicago Bulls came out, too. Oh. Oh, oh, oh.

Serious. Thank you. Yes. Serious. Different constellation. Thank you, Adam Barnhart. It sounded right when you said it. Yes, Heartbreaker, Live and Love and Made.

Another great example. Or you can't just cover one song from Side 2 of Abbey Road unless you cover the whole damn medley. Yeah. There's a bunch of stuff on various Pink Floyd albums that are like that, too, where it's like, Yes. How are you doing just, you know, hey, teacher, leave me alone or if the song goes. Exactly. Right.

You've got to do another brick in the wall part two and then into Vera Lynn or whatever it is. Well, that's great. I'm looking forward to it. Hutchins 65. How is that even possible that he was going to be 65? He died too young. Died way too young. 1997, man.

In a gnarly way that no one likes to remember. Exactly. We won't even talk about that. No. Yeah. Bob Gildoff, I still hold Bob Gildoff a little responsible. He riled Michael Hutchins up in those last few days because of the relationship with Paula Yates. Oh, I didn't know about that. Yeah. Speaking of the wall. Jeez. Oh, right. Good point. Yeah. No kidding. He's in the movie. He's in the movie. He's pink. Do you ever think we'll ever happen? Do they think that ever happens? The Wall movie?

Oh, we could totally do the Wall for Film Sack. We should. Oh, my God. That'd be great. What we should do is keep our eye out for any upcoming Pink Floyd anniversaries or something. There we go. Or the anniversary of the wall itself, the album. That is, that's, you know, to be an interesting one, because that was an Ellen Parker film, if I remember correctly. I think so. It's a lot of music, obviously, but there's dialogue. I mean, we can.

Oh, lots, yeah. You, is you, stand still, our day. It's been so long, dude. We should do it. We should do it. I'm throwing it in the hat right now. saying let's find it i don't know where it's streaming probably isn't uh yeah a good point might not be but that's one i have on i think i've got it on blu-ray if i might have it on DVD but not on

blu-ray i just remember the marching hammers yeah there's a little bit of uh dirty dirty stuff but you know the album has dirty dirty stuff on it so yeah plus we've done the cosby kid with the shotgun and the hoo-ha we're fine that's right it's true we know we know how low we can go Listen, we did Zardaz. Okay, I think Zardaz is the... Yeah. That movie is two-thirds of naked people. Yeah, it's just John Connery and a tiny diaper.

We can do it. We can do it. Oh, I've seen Reptumus Prime. I've seen Britt Floyd, and they are fantastic. Oh, they cover band or something? They are, yeah. And the Australian Pink Floyd... I think they're just called the Australian Pink Floyd cover show or something.

I've never heard of them before. Yeah. They're good. They're great. They really do a good job. You know, now that you say it, I think they were one of our summer concert series over here at the Amphitheater thing. Oh, yeah. I feel bad.

I didn't go. They don't bicker like the real Roger Waters and David Gilmore, too. I always, that's so funny when I hear about those two fighting, I always think about comfortably numb because it's such a great combination of the two voices. Yeah, goes back and forth between the two voices. And I always think, like, in the studio where those two just like, you are receiving Oh, come on Gilmore That was bullshit

You know what I mean Separate Separate rooms basically Like how Sting And Andy Summers had to do it Or was it the other guy Was it? Oh yeah, those guys

Always fighting weren't they? They had a bit of a Tiff Yeah Well, let's do the story We got a story Yeah let's actually do new stories Alley Express in the news this week

For having their AI model release But also They have this story going on A Georgia man Ordered a drill From Ali Express He lives on all the peach tree avenue He lives on all the peach trees

And that's a great call back to yesterday Thank you Thank you very much Yeah it was really good Anyway he ended up getting a photo of one instead They didn't send the drill They sent a photo Savannah man

Savannah man Savannah man Hey I've been to Savannah What's his power then? What do you think his powers are? Able to eat one of those gophers in eight seconds, even though it's all caramel and nuts and pecans. Nice. Excelsior. You forgot that part. Excelsior. I got to close it out with an excelsior. Yeah. It's been a while. We haven't done one.

Excelsior. Anyways, so here's the deal. November of last year, obviously. Savannah Man did what hundreds of millions of Americans do every day. He bought something online, but Sylvester Franklin did not get what he paid for. He decided it was time for some new tools. he logged into Alley Express and ordered a drill. I've used the place. I bought things there.

They've always come, just fine. It's never been an issue. They didn't send you a photo. They sent you a blanket that might as well have been a photo. Yeah, that one. A photo with fur. That thing sucked. That thing was not as cool.

I guess that was Timu, but same thing. Oh, right. That's right. That was Timu. May as well be Alixpress. They're all the same. In fact, I'm pretty sure Timu is just like a brand to be more suitable for Americans to go, oh, because I think a lot of people,

you see Ali Express and go, where is that the Middle East? It's like, no, it's Chinese, dude, it's Chinese. Right, but the Ali, the Ali, you know, tends to freak people out. Ooh, Ali. Yeah, a bunch of racists. I'm blanketing all of them. I'm tortilla blanketing all of you, all right? Nice.

Anyway. Thin-ass tortilla blanket. It looks so cool in the pictures. It looks shit in person. As an actual tortilla. Yep. It lasted about as long as it took for my dog to gross it up real bad for a thing. Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

Then I threw it out. I threw out the giant tortilla. Sure. Anyway, he ordered this drill. He got a photo of what he ordered. And he said he paid $22.47 for a pressure washer. And this is what he got. It's a screw.

No way. You really did get a screw, didn't he? Yeah. And here's the, here, you guys. I'll show you this picture. Oh, this poor guy. I know. I feel a little bad for him.

But also, that seems too cheap. It's like it should say I owe you. at the top. I owe you, drill, and all these accessories. Yeah, there are descriptions. That's the one thing about the Alibaba stuff or the Ali Express stuff. You need to really dig deep into the description because often they are not what they seem to be. I did this with a device that was supposed to be an external video game thing that I could plug into anything and play on it. And it was only 17 bucks and it was like supposed to be awesome. I was going to test it for play retro. And so I ordered it, got it. All it was was an old style hard.

drive, spinning hard drive, not even SSD, like 500 gigabyte regular ass hard drive with a USB connector on the back of it, the old kind. And it was full of ROMs, all suspense, it's very sus ROMs that I don't trust any of them. And it didn't, you don't just plug it in and it works. You have to like drag them out and it's, it was all bull crap. And basically what it comes down to, at least this is Dunaway's description to me. He says the way Alibaba works and the way Alibaba works and the way Collie Express works is they take massive overstocks from other places that they cannot get rid of. So in this case, old hard drives nobody wants anymore. They slap a new description on it, throw some files on there and call it like a product that you could sell. And that's how they

unload this stuff. So you just got to be really careful about reading it. And you'll be okay. Anyways, it's been going back and forth of them since you ordered it. November still has not received a refund. In 2021, the Office of the United States Trade Representative at it Ali Express who is listed to a notorious markets for counterfeiting and piracy. The website has the de-rating from the BBB. That's the Better Business Bureau. Indeed, it is.

In 2024, yeah. See if he gets a refund or if he just gets a picture of his money. Yeah, that's right. The State of Georgia's Consumer Protection Division of the CPD located on Peachtree Hill, off Peach Street Lane, received three complaints. against the company. Three whole complaints in Atlanta or in Georgia. Yeah.

Good Lord. Well, anyway, good luck to this guy. I hope what's his name? Sylvester Franklin gets justice. I do too. Poor guy. Give him what he wants. What he ordered.

All right. We're going to take a break. When we come back from the break, Wendy will be here. We're going to spend some time talking about an email she did receive. And that'll be fun. So stick around for that. Brian, we need a song in the meantime.

Scott, it's time for some rock. What? Rock. Great. This is a band called Swim the Current. And, man, you can tell from their photo, you can tell from their logo, these guys know how to rock. This is their newest single. It's called Right, Your Wrong, produced by George Pond and Sahaj Dekodin and David Kaplanar.

Oh, let's see. Okay, so, yeah, we're talking about, boy, all this week we've had a lot of artists who are from other bands this is kind of a super all-star lineup here as well so marcos leal is formerly of il nino bassist george pond is from disciples of verity guitarist greg antine drummer chris moore from uh ultraphonics and rock of ages and lead guitarist joe gerrary uh well just brought along for the right i guess he's now from another band anyway here is the band sweat the current and the new song right you're wrong I close my eyes, and all the thoughts I push aside. Extra non can feel alive in our lives.

I can't settle up the hurt inside. The bitterness goes on and on and on. Underneath the roses Underneath the roses Say the words We regret And the echoes they won't Right so long before death

Take down away But just right Perfect catty So let's rewind And relive all the days combined Open up because we deny Empty skies And fill the void with memories

So all the words live on eternally Eternally, Eternally Underneath the roses Underneath the roses Say the words We regret At the echo

They won't fade Like too long before death Take some way The chest of perfect candy I'm thinking I'm thinking I'm to need no roses, Why don't know. It's a world

When we cry At the end Because they want to Why too long before death It's up The test right A perfect

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Nice. I like that. The current. Fits the song. The Curn. The name. Swim the current. Yeah.

All the water references there they got going. That's right. That's right. All right. Wendy is in the wings. Yay. She's all green, which usually is a good sign. That's good.

She remembered to turn her phone on her. She'd like to give her a little beef, a little heat. Nothing wrong with that, a little brotherly heat. Nope. You know? Exactly. That's what being a sibling is all about. Yeah, a little heat, a little heat, a little trouble, little tease. You know, it's not as bad as chasing her around the house with a cold soldering iron.

Yeah, or whatever the hell that was. Soddering iron, whatever it was. Yeah. I'm sure I did both, to be honest. I was that kind of brother. I like to tease her. She's the one that, you know, she's the, one that of all i we have this lifelong lesson of if you're going to sign a contract with somebody

make sure you read it well because when i signed wendy's contract to clean her room or whatever it was i signed it scott jensen and i i i didn't have to i didn't have to adhere to the contract after that so worked out great i love it that's so funny it's a real lesson it's why we need lawyers and there's too many of them that's right it's your fault i agree a packaging all the other crap we do to to help ourselves now. It's all due to the Tylenol scare in the 80s and Wendy and my contract to Scott Jensen. All those things.

Hey, you guys. I never got that ice cream cone. That's right. Check this out. Oh, hell no. That's my sister Wendy. She is a therapist and somebody who helps people all the time with real problems. She comes on the show on Thursdays for therapy. Thursday and helps you with yours. Wendy, welcome back. How the heck are you? I'm doing well. How are you guys?

Where'd you end up going last week? You had something cool. Yeah. So, you know, my little gaggle of friends from high school. We still get together once a year So we went on a little trip together It was super fun You're a lot like your niece Carter Carter just this morning at 630

Left to go to Sedona, Arizona In a rented van With five of her friends They're all from high school And they get together and just do this Every once in a while And you're the only two people in my life That are that regular with people

They went to high school with I mean Carter's less removed from high school obviously. Yeah. Well, I got a bit of a gap. Yeah. It's pretty embarrassing. Yeah, yeah.

Now, that's great, though. I know you guys always have a good time, so I'm glad to hear. Yeah, we always joke, like, we don't need a reunion because the only people I want to see, I see maybe once you're here. Yeah. No, it's a lot of fun. And very, like, I came back and I'm like, all right, I can live life. And then I'm like, America. What?

America. Yeah. Yeah. Gets a little weird. But it was good. I'm glad you got to escape it. Currently, Carter's. escaping to Sedona. My wife has escaped to a Mexican cruise with her siblings. Everybody's doing

their little yearly, hey, we do this thing once in here. Let's all go do it. And yeah, I'm here, you know, I have to hold it down the fort. I just have to hold down the park. You should try, you should try vitamin D the natural way. It is amazing. I did this, I did this morning, although it was an inversion version, but I went, I took the dog out and had a great walk this morning. You know what? It felt great. It was great. But I felt like, Way to go. I felt like I was breathing in somebody's exhaust because we're getting inversion right now. Oh, yeah.

It's not my favorite thing in the world. People need to fix that. It is bad. I don't know how you, we need some supernatural solution because it's just a nature thing. No, it is not. Look at the companies that are allowed to spew whatever they want that end up in your valley. You're right.

When we had the, when the pandemic happened, it was amazing because the pandemic happened and for the next, during the lockdown, for the next like huge chunk of time and it was winter we had not only we'd not have an inversion of any kind it's the clearest I've ever seen the valley I could see Provo from where I live I could see downtown Salt Lake from where I lived it was that clear

and it was so nice I thought please let this be a new thing let this be the standard I didn't mean let's have disease all the time that's not what I meant but like let's learn from this and go oh you know what that was great can we figure out a way to make that happen

all the time and no we didn't anyway right now it's not too bad there's times where if the right conditions in the weather happen

it can be like Shanghai in the 70s here so I can't complain that hard it's actually okay you can sort of see the mountains anyway Wendy you're here let's get to it

this is an email you received that I'm going to read is there anything you'd like to say before said read no okay I'm just going to get to it. All right, here we go. Dear Scott, Brian, and Wendy,

I wanted to share my experience working with Wendy in therapy and participating in her previous program, real steps, especially as she is about to launch the new course with No Better You. I hope others can benefit from the transformation I've experienced. This truly comes from the heart, and it's difficult to fully articulate the difference between my life before and my life after, but I'll do my best. Before working with Wendy and her program,

I was stuck in a perpetual state of freeze. Oops, my browser went weird. There we go. Several years prior, I had been diagnosed with a chronic illness, and I spent time either in a flare or terrified of the next one. I was incredibly hard on myself and people pleasing perfectionist who felt like I could never do anything right or good enough. I was convinced I was a burden to everyone around me.

To make matters worse, I had a terrible relationship with my body and with food in general. Oh, I relate to this right now. Oh, my gosh. You guys, I ate the stupidest thing yesterday. But sorry, I don't want to, it just reminded me of this. All of these issues kept me glued to the couch, afraid to branch out, afraid to move forward, and consistently beating myself up about it. I was out, sorry, so out of touch with myself, my feelings and my body that I felt. All I felt was numbness.

My relationships were suffering and I was suffering. Everything changed when I started working with Wendy, with her guidance and with the support of an incredibly empathetic and compassionate and encouraging community. I began to uncover the root causes of what was keeping me stuck. I was able to make small, meaningful changes that helped me climb out of the rut I had been in for years. I addressed the deep-seated family and cultural issues that fueled my perfectionism, people-pleasing tendencies, body image, struggles, and food-related challenges. For the first time, I began treating myself and my body with care and respect. I could use some of this.

Now, almost five years later, I feel like a completely different person, and I am still a work in a progress, but I feel much more grounded and confident, and most importantly, I feel unstuck. I'm no longer glued to the couch. I have a career and hobbies I love. I enjoy moving my body. I no longer feel out of control around food and my relationships are thriving.

All of this is because of Wendy. Her team and her community helped me learn how to take better care of myself in an achievable and sustainable way. So my question for you is about sustainable change. I'm thrilled to say that I have achieved it. My reoriented my entire life and there's no going back.

In fact, my old life feels almost unrecognizable as if it belonged to, someone else or happen in another lifetime. Can you complain? Can you complain? Can you explain how this reorienting process works from a brain perspective? How does something new stick and eventually become reality? I assume it's connected to the healing work I did, but could you explain how that process

works with grief, deep gratitude or grief attitude? S. We're going to call this person S. All right, Wendy. Not only this has been a fine advertisement for the upcoming program. But it's also a great question. When permanent change comes to somebody, it can be a little overwhelming that you're not quite sure how it happened or how it's stuck. Why did it stick?

Like those kinds of questions probably come up. It clearly has for us. So let's talk about it however you want to tackle it. Yeah. Well, let's talk about and maybe everyone could sort of think about the things they have ever done to change. Like, so someone who has stopped drinking forever, right? Like, they don't do that anymore. Like, you know, maybe they decided it's time to get sober and then they've stayed sober.

Or, you know, I met a woman the other day. She was eight or nine years old when a teacher at her school asked her why she ran so funny. Oh, she is. And never ran again, did not exercise again in any kind of, you know, meaningful way till her 40th birthday and decided she was done thinking about that and has run, and I am not kidding, something like 56 marathon since. Jeez, that's awesome. Yeah, every continent.

It's like swinging so far to the other side. Like, are you kidding? I will do this, you know? Yeah, I'm going to show you how I can run. Yeah, so it turns out she loves running and it got ruined for a long, long time, right? And so you look at those things and you're like, wow, that is incredible. And so there's a couple of factors that sort of play into. like how anyone makes a change.

So if you think about, so I want you to each think about something. Is there anything you've stopped doing? You used to do all the time or you started doing something you really hadn't done before. And now it's just so normal for you. And then we're going to talk about how you actually can create that.

So do you guys have anything off the top of your hands? Oh, man. Brian, do you have anything to jumps first? I mean, it's become normal for me. Now we go into the gym. three times a week, if I'm not feeling, if I don't have the flu, stupid flu, gosh, dang it. If that counts, I mean, just getting, you know, not doing anything except just trying to eat better for several years and not doing that even very well, but then saying, you know what, all right,

let's just try and make that change and sticking with it, if that, if that counts is what you're Yeah, and so can you, do you go to the gym without a lot of effort every week? Yes. Yeah. Sometimes. Okay. So it went from like kind of having to force yourself to like, this is what I do. Yeah. It's just part of my life. This is this is part of my life now. It's part of your life. And that is exactly like what what happens when we do something sufficiently to change. So I like this email for all the reasons. It's very sweet. And also it is pointing to this, the neural behavior or the neural differences after you have made a change. So there is a theory called the trans.

theoretical model or a shorter, more obvious version, would be just the stages of change. So we've used this for a long time to understand what people have to do in order to make a change. And so these are going to sound familiar to you. So you can pick your exercise one or maybe Scott, you have one right now, which is to stop eating garbage accidentally and feeling terrible. Well, I can tell you this. I went from, see, this is maybe I'm, maybe I need to hear this more than anybody because if you'd asked me, say, months ago, one of them would have been just a complete overhaul of my diet and it had become easy and I was more interested in healthy food and I was not, you know, dipping into

mistakes and that sort of thing. And since, I'm not trying to tie this to any kind of current events, all right, but kind of since last November or so, I've slipped pretty hard. Part of that was, well, it's the holidays. Everybody's over. We're eating stuff you shouldn't eat. right but it's not that and I can tell stop yeah I can tell I've dipped in that regard and it's really frustrating because like even last night um it was just so it was so reminiscent of an old way I used to do it because when I was okay when I was younger and I was skinnier and everything just burned out of me like it was nothing um which was not hard at a metabolism it was just constantly on fire all the time I could eat whatever I wanted whenever I wanted it as much of it as I

wanted it and it didn't matter well the other day i catch myself eating a bowl of cereal over the sink like a like a monster and it wasn't enough because i also had a little bit of some leftover soup and i think i i think i dipped pork rinds into the soup like weird choices like things that are not great right sure and i know that they are while i'm doing it and i'm like looking at myself like you this is pathetic what you're doing right now but yet there i am doing it and it's been i won't call it like a relapse but i definitely have had like a a backtrack as of late and i'm not happy about it at all backslide or something yeah it's really frustrating because i um it's affecting the way i like when i go to bed at night i'm like all right heartburn it's your it's your turn

you know welcome to stage right yeah what do you have on deck for me tonight with the weird dreams and the pain and the pain well if we had our emailer here i'd say okay so same same z like all sorts of challenges with food and body image and you know but what did you do to make five years later um none of this is an issue and i know this person and it's not right it's just that's gone and you're like okay well and she gave a couple of or let's see they gave a couple of hints to a small changes, right? And notice the addressing the deep-seated family and cultural issues that led to the people-pleasing body image of food problems. So, Scott, maybe you haven't done that step.

You know, like there's more to change often than, especially because we're always often talking about health changes. Like, oh, I'm going to work out. I'm going to eat better. Okay. You both gave us those. So they are not in a vacuum. not simply that you just can't help yourself. I mean, there's a pretty big industry making you want to eat garbage.

And I'm sure once you've seen pork rinds dipped in soup and you're like, that doesn't I'm not going to say ice cream, which is extra gross. But anyway, so... It kind of does sound good, actually. I won't lie to it. I won't lie to you. It was good. Like, it's a good...

Right. And here's the thing. There is literally nothing wrong with that. You gave us the clue to your problem, is you were saying that this is, you were saying that this is terrible to yourself as you were doing it. Right? While I'm eating it, while I'm over the thing, eating like I'm 12 over the scene, not at the table, not with a nice prepared plate. Like Kim's probably rolling over in a grave she doesn't have yet while she's off on this thing. And I'm just over there eating this like a freak and I just see myself. And I go, what are you doing here? Right, right. And our emailer would say, I had one million of those voices in my head that told me I

did it wrong. That food was bad, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And sometimes you can do this fun trick if you guys ever want to. Get a jar and a bunch of marbles. And every time you have a mean thought about yourself, put a marble in the jar and then go to your favorite person on earth and pull out a marble one at a time and say something rude to them. That's what? You're going to have no relationship, right? And so your internal world is berating and negative and unkind and critical and it's, you're not doing it right or no one will love you. Like, you have all that going on. And that's, that's really what this, this person and I worked on about was, what are these,

the inner, what are the inner critic saying? And then where does that come from? No kid is born with an inner critic. They're not born with it. What happens is they learn from the mirrors in their life and the society that they're, they're in. What is acceptable? What isn't, right?

And so the internal world develops, think of it as like a bunch of dialogues to hand, when you're eating pork rinds over the kitchen sink. At some point, someone told you, and you noticed you even said 12-year-old behavior. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Like, that's what a stupid kid does.

I guarantee you did that exact thing as a kid, but some diet or in your life probably let you know that wasn't okay. Or that, you know, I'm supposed to be grown up or mature, you know, whatever. So it comes from all sources. It doesn't always have to be the most obvious, like your mother or, you know, whatever. It could be that teacher saying you run funny. and taken up most of your life. So you never do this thing you end up realizing, you know, you love.

So, so all of that is it goes much deeper than the behavior. So, so sometimes we get stuck on the behavior is the measure of like, here's my goal, or I'm using willpower or I'm going to change when really behavior is just one of the many things that bring or that sort of define why we do anything, right? So when we look at how to change something, going back, to the trans-theoretical model, which I think it sounds so much cooler than just the stages of change. But the idea is that we've got stages we go through when we want to change something. So the first stage is pre-contemplation. And that is where they're not going to do anything yet

and we're about six months out from anything real actually happening. But they just, you know, maybe you're just living your life. You're not quite aware of the behavior. You know, oh, in mean girls, remember when she was given her that bar and told her it was a diet bar and she's just eating them? It's like that. She doesn't know. She doesn't know she doesn't want to eat this thing that's full of calories or something. Right.

So pre-contemplation, unconscious, right? The second stage contemplation, and this is where the person becomes aware of the problem and considers making a change. They are looking at pros and cons. This is the really like, I should age where you're like, ah, I should probably do that. Or January's coming. Or I got to get in a swimsuit or, you know, whatever it might be around, you know, various things. Could be, I need another job. You're just now contemplating like, I should probably

make a change. You start thinking about it. Then there's the preparation stage and this is when the person is ready to make a change. They gather information about the problem. They may try small things to see how it goes, right? This is where we're prepping. And then action is where they are taking steps to actually change that behavior, whatever it may be. And this is the, I'm committed to this and I'm going to work towards this. This is often a stage where people start telling everybody what they're doing. And that can both be helpful because you have support. And then sometimes it can backfire because it feels really good to tell people you're doing

cool things. And then. And then not do it like, yeah. Yeah. Right. Exactly. And then if you don't do them, you feel like, oh, my God, I just told everybody that I'm doing this.

And I've been having. Right. Yeah. Right. We add like a weird burden to ourselves rather than support. So that's why in this action stage, we've got to be a little smart who we're talking to. And then the maintenance stage, and this is the one most people struggle with, is, you know, you're just trying to maintain this new skill or this reduction of some other behavior. And in this stage, it's really important to remind yourself how far you've come, you know, and the final stage, and this is the one most people.

And Scott, you're in, you're in this stage right now. This is where you regress to an earlier stage. You have a relapse, right? It feels like that, yeah. Yeah, relapse is a good word. Yeah, and it just happens. Now, what to do with that is what makes all the difference in the world. Because if it means I'm a failure and those inner critics are just, I think of them like flies on something like, oh yeah, see, you're an idiot and you can't do this or whatever those inner critics, like sort of the way they talk.

Because a relapse is normal. It is an important part of change. I don't think there's a person who has quit something and. not had some form of a relapse or, you know, started something and then, you know, went a week where they were sick or on vacation and it got disrupted. This is just normal. And I think sometimes our brains aren't built super well to see that for what it is. Rather, it's seen as a failure.

Yeah. To treat it as a blip or just a speed bump, but you're still on the road. You're still. Yeah. And so if you are told to expect it and you are, you are essentially like, oh, when's that coming? And this is okay. And you have the language and, and, and your inner critics can be quiet during a relapse. It's really, it's like having a little vacation. You just can, hey, this is what it is. And then, you know, there's no wagon to actually fall off

of. It's, I could just start tomorrow, right? And, and when you take away all of the bullying, the inner bullying that can happen, you'd be astounded at what, how much freedom you have to just pick up the thing, you know, where you're starting from. So, All that being said, so the emailer's point is like major improvement in life by doing these small things and learning how to quiet the inner critic, understand the source, the cultural source, the familial source of so many of these things, right? They're unstuck. When they're unstuck, then they can start doing hobbies, build their career. I mean, you look at the language here. I enjoy moving my body.

I no longer feel out of control around food. My relationships are good, right? And you're like, whoa, it's all from doing this slow change, right? And keeping it sort of think of about it as both flexible and consistent. And then in the end, you've done it so long. And this is what's cool. And this is the neurological part I really like is when your brain has, so we call it pruning. So when you have a, okay, what language did you both learn in high school?

Spanish. Yeah, how's that going? A little German. I had one German class. I use a little bit of it these days. Very little of it. Okay. One pequito.

Oh, Wendy. Wendy, you know, I know. I know. I know all the dirty Korean words, but that's not because of class. I mean, but that, Scott, those were given to us as children, and so they're in there deeper, right? I truly believe that. But if you stop, you use it, if you don't use it, you lose it is the idea, right? So if those neurons are not firing around a language, eventually your brain will go, these are

unnecessary and it prunes it. It literally trops down all those neural synapses and it's trying to be efficient, right? And so what happens when old habits and then are replaced with good habits and they're sort of long enough in existence, we have a new neural network around that and the other stuff gets pruned. That's why people will experience. I was really happy when she wrote about that. Like, it's almost like it's someone else's life or an entire lifetime ago. Yeah.

Because truly, we have pruned, developed. I mean, our brains are constantly growing. We can find 90-year-olds who are still developing neural synapses. That's incredible because we think, oh, no, that's got to stop. And all they have to do, and all any of us have to do is something different, new, hard, something we haven't done before. I know some, our brain will never stop. I know a 90-something-year-old.

that could use some of that. They could use doing something new. Yeah. Try something different. Like, be nice. Yeah, be nice. Just try being nice.

That's all. Yeah, just see what it's like. But notice I said the word hard. I think that's, it would be in that case. But I also think it's related to like the actual stretching. It's easier when you're a kid, going back to the language example.

You can absorb a language so easily because there's a lot of fresh neurons ready to fire together, right? And when a lot of that is taken up by lyrics to songs, you really don't need to know anymore, you have to push and push in order to get some of those neurons to fire and wire together and for some of the others to prove. This is why we're like, oh, no, old man, grumpy is because we stop growing and you have to push your brain in order for it to grow. So this was a major life switch from chronic, you notice you didn't say, I don't

still, I don't have a chronic illness. It does a chronic illness. But her life does not revolve around it, right? Like everything has shifted and all of those new behaviors help with a chronic illness probably, right? But it really is a new neural network that she is operating from. And that is the coolest part. And so when I'll work with clients, I always joke about this. I would love to like film my first session with them, but I don't because that's weird.

But if I could film the first session, because, you know, we're six months in. all sorts of things are changing. They're really, you know, starting to feel good and life is good. And then they say things like, I mean, it wasn't that bad. And I'm like, oh, man, can I just pull up the video? Can I show you? Because you don't remember. It's kind of ironic, right?

But you don't remember because your neural system has actually shifted. So this is how you get something to be sustainable is that it's practiced enough. It's flexible enough. And eventually your brain's like, I guess I don't need that old pattern or that old stuff. because I no longer have a voice in my head telling me I'm worthless or I no longer need to eat all this food and I don't know why or I can't stop, you know, like a binging response because I am more aware of my emotional situation and I know I have five other things I do when I'm feeling emotionally overwhelmed or I feel less emotionally overwhelmed because I'm, you know, so you can see all like the virtuous cycles that's ultimately come about and then the brain wires around it, which is like the coolest point. Do you think the state of brain science ever gets to a place where as a treatment, especially for those who are maybe having the hardest time rewiring themselves in this way, that some, I don't know what this looks like, but, you know, I was just thinking like put a new chip in,

but whatever that involves, that rewiring of your neural network to better adhere to what you want your life to be, do you think we ever get to a place where that's ever, it's short-cutted? Because it sounds like it's probably, this is always going to be like the hardest thing, right? Like this, what you're describing is not like, guess what, tomorrow, if you just think different in the morning, it's all better. It doesn't work that way. You're going to have to really work at it. It's rewiring your, yeah. Yeah.

Well, take, yeah, that's a really great question. And there's a couple of things. Let me first talk about the drug-free version is really truly to do things you don't do. And that's not so easy. If you think of biologically, we're built to survive. And one way we know we're surviving is when we're comfortable, right? And so we crave comfort. And then when we get comfort, it's really tricky to, like, it's a constant battle

between being too comfortable and actually being miserable. And then being so uncomfortable, you're miserable. So we need somewhere that's a healthy in between. So, for example, like, if you never do anything on purpose that's hard. It's one thing when hard things come at you, that's a very different thing that I'm going to do something on purpose hard. So have either of you ever done a cold plunge, like a fold to your neck? Yes.

It's in cold water. Okay. I didn't want to do it ever again, but it was life altering for a short time after. 100%. Okay. So that is an example of you're never going to get used to ice cream. cold water. You're just not. We're not built for that temperature. So what you're doing is you're shocking A, your muscles, your fat, your body is doing some really cool things. But

your brain is also getting like, you are, you just fell in a frozen river, dude. You're going to die. So it has all sorts of things getting activated that it's growth hormone actually is released. Like survival, repair, all of those things, right? And so that's why you feel so great. That's why it's better than 20 cups of coffee. is it, you know, obviously you were freezing at wake you up. And then you sleep better that night than you've slept in years, right? Yeah. And so that's because you have chosen, because it is a choice unless someone shoves you in,

it is, you have chosen a hard shock to your brain that is very uncomfortable, and our bodies are meant to be somewhat uncomfortable, so we survive. And then we can move to having a comfortable day, and that can balance some of this. most of us though are like when she says i was stuck to the couch she was literally stuck to comfort right no risks the safest place we have in modern life is sitting on a couch a you're not going to get hurt also you get to watch fun things i mean this is the kings of the past would have given anything to sit on any of our couches right um and toilet paper and flushing toilets okay so all that comfort though means not a lot of neural growth and when we don't do much um you

start to lose ability mobility cognition like we start dying right and when we're young we can get away with it sort of but definitely it's really obvious when someone's older um if they stop doing some of this so the the cold plunge is an example of like giving yourself an artificial way to be uncomfortable um but if you think of like um okay then my other point was something and it's gone speaking of i need to get in a cold plunge so yeah get on a cold punch so we're If you're out here anytime, let's see, I know you guys are coming here in July, but we bought one, well, Carter did. We bought one of those cold plunge tub things that put out in the yard. And her, Kim, Nick, Taylor, they've all done it.

Carter's done it three or four times because that's why she bought it. And they're all like, dad, dad, do it. And I'm like, I've done it. They're like, no, do it. You need to do it. You're going to just like, you're going to be great. And I'm just like, oh, I don't want to do it. Like put ice in there in July and I'll do it.

it. Right. I don't want to do it now. It's refreshing. Yeah, it's already 20 degrees outside. Yeah. Just take me outside my undies. That'll work. Anyway. So I did this with on this trip with my friends and we did the sauna first. So we are freaking roasty hot and then got in. I'm telling you that was ideal. And I just floated and like I was up to my chin and everyone else is like just huddled and dying. And I was like, oh, this is because of Minnesota, I'm fine. Yeah, probably. But the truth is, if you can really relax, you can move to comfort, which is wild. That is wild. And then, you know, you got to get out. But so, okay, I remember my other one.

So that's the non-drug version, right, is to go on a hard hike, try to find a beautiful view, suffer a little bit on your way to anything, right? Walk far to get to an appointment, right? anything that actually takes you out of comfort all the time is a great way to grow your brain and remind it you're alive right that's part of why it keeps growing it's like we're alive and we got to survive the other one to answer your question about like what is where are we headed

with brain science when it comes to this is we have a lot of folks who have struggled with treatment depression treatment resistant depression so that means they have tried the talk therapy they have tried the combination with medication they've tried every medication. I mean, I have watched people do every humanly possible science-based thing they can do and they still are deeply depressed. It's, you know, like it's nothing we can do with modern medicine. And that is so hard. And so what we have found is that psychedelics, MDMA, psilocybin, which is mushrooms, other things like that, that what it does is it goes in. And in order to, to give anyone a trip, it takes the processor, sort of the midline of the brain, which is where

all this processing and ruminating and depressive thinking, all that lives there, right? And it takes it offline and then shows you the weird things, right, and trips you out and, you know, like it takes you away from the hardness of the reality your brain and your neural network has created for you. And it gives people, A, a break from that, but then creates more neuroplasticity. So we're at the beginning stages of really understanding where this will go. You guys have, yeah, we've talked about this a little bit before, but maybe microdosing instead of antidepressants is in the future for some folks. I think the real future is ultimately individual biometrics so they can give you a blood test and say, oh, you, it'll work if you take

Prozac. It will never work if you take Prozac because we're going to get better at knowing who gets what. And there are currently genetic tests that can give you an idea. Soon, I hope, anyway, that it'll be more ubiquitous, and everyone can just sort of access easier care that way. But these others sort of, if you think about it from a neurochemical thing, all those drugs are really doing is giving the brain a break from the stuff that's making things so hard and allows it to rewire a little bit, right?

And so a combo of therapy and ketamine or a combo of therapy and psilocybin, which, by the way, ketamine is legal, psilocybin is not yet, and the crap knows what's going to happen for the next four years. People can abuse ketamine, right?

It's a fairly abusable thing. I mean, I guess you can abuse anything, right? You can abuse literally everything. But ketamine is the way it's used in clinics, and you can find this anywhere. Essentially, you could go into a clinic and they can give it to you or, you know, it's definitely not.

like any of those other drugs is treated very differently. And this is really recent, too, by the way. So you can go and have an infusion and sit there for 45 minutes and listen to lovely music and have a little trip. And your brain just starts to loosen some of those networks that are really causing you problems. And that has been our most, at least in my lifetime, pre, pre really good antidepressants, you know, I don't know what, we were shocking people. We were there's all sorts of things we were doing trying our best right and then an antidepressants has had made a big difference for a lot of folks and then this is a sort of the frontier the most new thing at least in my lifetime where we're looking at

can you change the brain or give the brain a chance to change sort of chemically and it's a little faster and that type of thing I myself am a big fan of you know combining all the good stuff and making sure you're dealing with all your demons, actually. So it isn't that we're just trying to make your brain magically work better without any of the healing that's necessary underneath and internally. So I'm kind of a combo fan. Anyway, but it's exciting. We'll see if, you know, if it's not all chaos and war, we'll be fine.

And we can learn these things. Yeah. We can learn more about brain. Let's do it. Let's get in there. Let's make that a plan. Real tiny note. I'm thinking, could you substitute, like, just a really cold shower for this?

You know what? Yeah. For the cold? Sure. Why not? All right. And so even if it's 30 seconds or a minute of just at the end of your shower, just turning it ice cold and getting as much as you, you know, it's, I don't know.

I'd want to do at the beginning and then warm up with a hot show. Yeah. I know, right? But see, that's the thing you want to do. When you do it at the end, though, it acts, it's better than as many coffees as you can imagine drinking to stay with it. It's like a six-hour window of awakeness. I'm going to try it.

I'm going to try this tomorrow before. Six-hour energy drink, basically is what it is. I would start with this, Scott, turn it to just crank it cold. Step back and then just start with your legs and put like, like, you know, you're taking an army bath or something. You just go up your legs a little bit and your arms, start with your, just your extremities at first and then do it every day and then you can add your core of just like, and, you there's a lot of screaming.

It's all good. It's fun. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I'm going to give it a try. And I'm here alone tomorrow. And if you're ever really hot, do it then because you already want it. I'm 100.

So tomorrow for the first time and a long time, I am 100% alone in the house tomorrow. So I'm thinking about doing it then because then my screams will go unhurt. Yeah. No one will know. Yeah. Are the dogs still there? Yeah, they're here. I guess the dogs are here.

They'll like, yeah. But they don't care. They'll still. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. She's in trouble.

Does that mean? Will that affect dinner? That's all they'll think. Right. Yeah. Real quick to, so this is a side thing, but I think it's just a good time to remind people sometimes the stuff you say or do. At the time you say or do them, especially when you're a kid, you don't realize the impact you're having on somebody else's psyche. When you chase your sister with a cold soldering iron, she thinks is hot, is probably not a great thing to do.

Hell, it may even drive her into a career in therapy. Who knows what that will do. but I remember once my brother Mark said what did he say oh this is we're adults he was talking to somebody else and they were he was just talking about careers everybody was having in the family and he says he gets to me and and his words were basically and who knows what scott's even doing right and I remember being like put back by that I was really like oh man yeah my brother really say that it bothered me and then later before podcasting or or no during This is all during, yeah, this is all the stuff I'm doing now.

This whole, whatever it is I do, this was, this was his reaction. That's what he's talking about. And I, and I, and then later, he came out here in, I think it's 2015, came to Nurtacular, was there for a lot of that. Wendy was here too. He came back from Sweden for it. And he said, then I overheard a conversation where he said to somebody in a very similar context, he says, well, Scott's, Scott's the one that's got it all figured out. He's got, he's doing what he loves. And he's got this, you know, this great.

And like, it was an opposite. of what he had said the other time. Right. But our brains are so funny. I had wired myself to think that he, A, didn't get or care or like what I did. And there's also a piece of me that's like, well, that's stupid Scott. Who cares? Just don't worry about it.

But I had that feeling. And then I had this new feeling of, oh, he does respect what I'm doing and thinks it's cool and all of that. And then now those two things sit next to each other in my virtual movie theater in my head and they argue with each other all the time. do you know what I mean it's not like a big thing it's not a huge deal for me but it's enough of one where you can just see how that day those two days two different two different neuro cable ways were laid down you know even in your adulthood it's like shunk here's a cable where it's a very uncertain shunk here's one that should erase the other one but they don't they're just kind of hanging out there now and trying to decide which one feels like the more dominant one one day

over the other it's a weird thing and you don't know and that's I'm not even saying he I'm not saying this is malicious, not at all. No. He didn't understand it before. He understand it better when he saw it up close. And then he said really nice things about it, which is totally a normal thing. We all probably do it. But you just never know who might be listening to that and going, oh.

You know, forging a neural pathway, a permanent neural pathway with it. Yeah. Yeah. And so when that type of thing happens, and this goes back to actually what the emailer was saying about like what used to be the way they lived and thought and experienced the world. And you have to work to get that unstuck to pull the cable out of the room, right? Like, it isn't just go away. And so, you know, as people are listening, they may, whatever the thing is, they wish to change, right?

So pull up in your mind, all the things you wish you could change. And then dig a little, and we're using Scott's weird cable analogy, what cables are on the floor that are, were laid there by others, right? And you might even hear it in your own voice, like, well, I can't do this because it doesn't even make sense. Well, that's not your voice. No kid is ever born thinking, this cool thing I really like doesn't make any sense, right? So, like, yeah, I think you can start to identify, oh, these are things that actually get in my way. So when people do really cool stuff that some of us are like, what, how would anyone ever be able to pull that off?

part of it is they either remove those cables or they didn't have those cables in the first place or maybe the cables were necessary to be part of that motivation and they have overcome. Like it's pretty incredible because we really should all just be sitting in a corner whimpering and being comfortable. But we do that and we're miserable, right? Like the actual consequence. That's what's so like humanity is like, yeah, keep moving every day. Okay, fine.

We'll let you sleep at night, like a little bit, but it's probably not going to be great. And never stop. It never, you know, when it comes, it comes, and it's never stopping. And you're like, yeah, because we die if we stop or we're miserable if we stop. But if we do too much, we also die. So good luck, everyone. Yeah. Do your best.

Do your best. A happy medium. Yeah. Yes. But I'm telling you, without those weird cables in your life, it is so much better. Yeah, I need to. The cable of me eating cereal and then right after. that soup with pork rinds.

Dipping pork rinds in it. I probably need to tweak that. Oh, and a handful of crazons. I forgot to mention that. I had a handful of raisins. I know. They're good. They're fibery.

They're, they're, I mean, but it's the same time as the problem. I know, dude. I know. Yeah. I mean,

it's like your mind says, oh, just had something really salty, those pork rinds and a soup. I need something sweet to balance it out. Oh, now I've had too much sweet stuff. Now it says something salty.

Give me those pretzels. Yeah. But then picture me standing in the kitchen doing this all from the counter and then the dog's eating whatever I drop and it's just an embarrassment of riches. I ate a leftover piece of fried chicken over the sink a few days ago. There's nothing at all wrong with that. You don't want to make a mess.

I hear you, boys, but this is a fun excuses you have. No, one thing I'm going to do, Scott, is when after Health and PE on KBU starts, it starts Monday. Everyone, please go sign up. Go to knowbetteru.com. Yay, please. I will send you some of the inside stuff that we're doing, and there's just one thing I want you to watch. You're going to really like it.

But it's related to this, like, the self-blame we all feel around these things, and it does such a good job of, like, none of this is your fault. You did not create all these tastes in the lab. Anyway, it's pretty fascinating. So I'll send it to you. All right. I'd love to see it. That'd be great. And I will get your email because I check every time now.

I don't not get them. Excellent. Check your spam, people. If you signed up and you haven't seen anything, check your spam. Check your spam. I really try not to make it spammy sounding. Email came today. So if you didn't see one today, then you're not doing it wrong, you dummies.

And I will haunt you a couple more times this weekend and then it will be radio silent while we do the eight weeks. Excellent. Wendy, have a fantastic week. Thank you for all the good stuff. And may your temperatures be above zero. all right bye bye

oh wow that was a good one it was good yeah is it bad that I'm kind of hungry for all the things I talked about

is that bad probably bad natural we do that all the time with us it's you know we talk about food and then it's like

that food sounds so good I had Taco Bell yesterday because we talked about it on the show yeah how to chicken

yeah oh good I had a chicken chalupa and a bean burrito that all sounds and a Baja Zero

because my Taco Bell Dlasm I don't know what they did here I hope I assume it's back and it was a temporary thing, but I probably just like the ice cream machine of McDonald's. Sometimes they got it. Sometimes they don't. There you go. Speaking of things we've got,

a bunch of shows coming up, Coverville at noon, core at noon. So you've got two noon choices to make. One is very video game focused. The other one is very music focused. You know who you are. All right. So if you can, yeah, if you can watch the one you love the most. And then if you like the other one, we do vaught. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Go back and check it. then. All right. Also, what else we got? TMS Playdate. Tomorrow, 9 a.m. It is our patron playdate for the month, and that means patrons get in

first for the games themselves. But anybody is welcome to come, and we do fill sometimes with people when we need them. So it will be live at Frogpants.tv. Tomorrow, 9 a.m. Mountain Time. TMS Playdate. Play retro later that afternoon. Brian Dunnewayne and myself playing a little

bit of the old original Xbox. Can't wait for that. It's going to be fun. Cool. Film sack this weekend. are doing a Transformers movie that according to Brian we are really in for so uh rise of the fallen is it the one it's okay let me check one more thing is it the one with

the two like street talking hillbilly hillbilly transformers Brian I forgot how bad I hate that movie voiced by Tom Kenny and I can't remember who the other one is but a revenge sorry Revenge of the Fallen

I'm so Jiminy Christmas I'm so not looking forward to it now Well, I just done turned into a Volkswagen. Why did they do that? It's so dumb. Anyway, that's coming up, film sack this weekend. And, of course, the instance this Sunday, that's the time of the month, although it will be technically February. But January was nuts, so we couldn't get one in.

But we will be doing an episode early this month, which will be Sunday. And I think that's it. I think that's it, Brian. I think that's it. Let's get out of here. Let's play a song, though. You've got to do that. A song would be great.

Yeah, Eric rode in and said, Dear Shuttle and Booster, I've been a long-time listener of many of the Frogpins family podcasts, starting first with the instance, then on to the morning stream. I've been listening to both since 2008-ish to today. Today marks my, we won't talk about the math on that one. Today marks my 50th trip around our star, and I would like to request the song Jump from the band Good Terms. Oh, not Van Halen, eh? I was thinking that would be Jump. It's a cover of the song Jump. Oh, it is a cover of that song.

Covering band is good terms. Listening to you guys has gotten me through many long days, working at the Space Center in Cape Canaveral, Florida. Whoa. That's super cool. Super cool. Buried the lead, man. That's awesome.

Can I come visit you at work? Yeah. Yeah. The morning stream has been a part of my life for the last 17 years, and for many more to come. I can always count on you both to brighten my day, no matter how hard it may have been. I wish the best for both of you,

and to everyone in the Tadpool signed Eric. Happy Thursday, do you. Happy birthday, young man. Hope you have a very good Dersh day. All right, this is. Just write exactly what you request. This is the song Jump cover of the Van Halen song, of course, by the band Good Terms.

They released this as a single back in 2021, and it rocks. Here is Good Terms. I'll get up, I'll get up, and nothing gets me down. You got it tough. You got it tough. You got it tough. I've seen the toughest around. And I know, baby, just how you feel. You gotta roll with the punches to get to what's real. I can't you see me setting here I got my back against the record machine. I ain't the worst that you've seen.

Can't you see what I mean? Oh, might as well jump. Might as well jump. Go ahead and jump. Go ahead jump. Oh, hey you, who said that? Baby, how are you been? You say you don't know.

won't know until you begin. I can't you see me standing here? I got my back against the record machine. I hate the voice that you see. I can't you see what I mean? Can you see what I mean? Oh, might as well jump. Go ahead and jump.

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