The Morning Stream - TMS 2808: Panera Weed

Episode Date: April 14, 2025

Is it too early for a weed sandwich? You get NO Power, No Showbot, and NO Lieutenant Yar!! Emotional Support Croc. Rubbing the lucky horn. Moving Swingers To The Right Side. Flash Our FiOS! Slingin' H...ot Truth. Giant Beaver Story. Billy Jean is not my Mother. Put Morbius in the Corner. Bathroom Defendants. Aerospice. Del-TONA!! If You Live In A Pocket. Wolf Eggs with Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 As the deafening applause roared around her, Shelley smiled through her silent tears. She couldn't hear the ovation. But she had already played her final note. That's a real shame. Help pour Shelley out by signing up today at patreon.com slash TMS today. Coming up on the morning stream, is it too early to get a weed sandwich? You'll get no power, no showbot, and no lieutenant y'ar. Emotional support crock.
Starting point is 00:00:23 Rubbing the lucky horn. Moving swingers to the right side. Flash Arfios. Slingin' hot truth. giant beaver story gross billy jean is not my mother put morbius in the corner bathroom defendants aerospice deltona if you live in a pocket wolf eggs with bobby and more on this episode of the morning stream i'll be dead and you'll still be sorrowing your lovy-dovey and your mummy magnificent you idiot wait a minute are we trading again
Starting point is 00:01:00 The Morning Stream, one way or the other, this war ends tonight. Hello, everyone, and welcome to TMS. It is the Monday morning version of the morning stream. It is Monday, April 14th, in fact, and it is the year 2025. I'm Scott Johnson. That's Brian Ibbett. All of these things are true and more, more things. Confirmable truth.
Starting point is 00:01:29 That's correct. Yeah, if any of you at home had any question about whether we're not slinging hot truth here on the show. That's right. Hot truth delivered to you. Screw the media. We're here with the real facts about what's going on in the USA. That's right. And you found the, you're looking, you found the right place, I guess.
Starting point is 00:01:47 That's right. And those of you who are watching this show on video, and remember me talking last week about buying the godiest Marvel-themed hockey jersey or a lacrosse jersey ever. I'm a man of my word. I'm wearing it today. Look at that thing. I'm wearing my horde one. Just we had hockey jersey theme today. I didn't think about it.
Starting point is 00:02:09 It's the only hockey jersey I have. And that's kind of dumb. I like hockey. I should have more hockey things. I've been a fan. We have a team now. You know? They're not very good.
Starting point is 00:02:19 And we're also changed the name soon. So it'd be dumb to spend money on the Utah hockey club. I don't know because I think that that when the name changes, that Utah Hockey Club apparel is going to be in high demand, like it's going to be, you know, maybe not necessarily collectors on it, because there's so many things right now that is sold and touted as,
Starting point is 00:02:41 this is going to be rare someday, and, you know, number one issue for a brand new DC team. Yeah, it's not because everybody buys it. Yeah, it's never, the speculation rarely matches the end result. However, I did notice at a Costco, they had a whole bunch of,
Starting point is 00:03:00 Utah Hockey Club stuff really cheap. Oh, really? Yeah, which tells me that they're ready to do the rollover. And so now it might be the time to do it. Yeah. Yeah. You can get that stuff at a good price, then I would do it. 12 bucks for a jersey or something like that?
Starting point is 00:03:15 They're cheap. So I might do that. Yeah, yeah. Maybe today. Maybe today. Maybe. Well, anyway, we got a lot of stuff to do. It's a Monday.
Starting point is 00:03:22 That means the brand new week ahead of you, folks. Hope you're enjoying things. We're literally a couple of weeks from TMS Vegas. Lots going on there. more on that in a second. Before we do, though, man, all right, I'm used to this. If you pull up to a Taco Bell at like 2 a.m., you expect to see... For your fourth meal?
Starting point is 00:03:41 Yeah, for my fourth meal, like a damn hobbit. You expect some, like, people got the munchies because they're all loaded up on weed. You kind of expect that. Of course, yes. That's the place they go. I didn't expect it at a Panera bread. All right. So I go to the Panera bread yesterday.
Starting point is 00:04:00 I went in there just to get a sandwich and Kim got a drink and I got a soup or something with the sandwich and we had one of them coupon deals and, you know, big fan of the Panera now that we've got the club and everything. Yep, yep. So we go in there and the guy I'm behind in line waiting for my stuff, I have never smelled a more overwhelming level of like the dankest, like swampiest weed. It's just some skunk weed basically is what. Oh, real bad, dude. Like, he'd been all night in it. He looked really rough. He had the baggy eyes and all that.
Starting point is 00:04:35 And maybe he's going through... Maybe this is the worst time of his life. I don't even freaking know. I don't want to speculate. All I know is I was getting some serious secondhand whiff of this dude. It did not affect my, you know... I didn't get high or anything because he's not smoking it. He was hot boxing on his lunch break.
Starting point is 00:04:52 Yeah. Yeah. But it was weird. It's just a weird thing to see on a Sunday at like, I don't know. we were there at like 11.30 or something in the morning. Just a weird thing to see. And we're in a city and state where it's not legal. So I don't know, you know, not that you can arrest a guy because he stinks, but it's just unusual.
Starting point is 00:05:11 I expect this sort of thing. Like I say it, 2 a.m. in Las Vegas or L.A. or, you know, somewhere legal. Colorado maybe even. Yeah, Colorado for sure. Like, it's to the point now where you just kind of, if you're going to be outdoors, is even not even like a like I'm going to a crowd event a parade a concert a outdoor show or something like that you definitely expect it there sure but you kind of even expected just walking down the street and like a little shopping area kind of thing yeah um uh it's weird but Utah I would not expect it at all yeah Claire says medicinal is legal here she's right but there's no way that go there's he was overdosing on his medicinal then because my gosh this is no way it was so strong and they do the medicinal here comes in smokable formats so it's not like that's unheard of but this much i mean it was so it was i'm trying to think of a good
Starting point is 00:06:09 comparison i think the last time i i felt this wave of it hit me was in anaheim for like the last blizzcon i was at and it was like the second year that that it was public legal or whatever and it was so overwhelmingly strong like at night when we were going over to that bar for the, I can't remember the name of the thing. Oh, the Blue, the House of Blues for the community member thing. Anyway, it was really, really strong there. That was like this, but one person emanating it.
Starting point is 00:06:41 And the entire Panera was like, oh, my gosh, did they even make food here? Because all I smell is weed. It was so bad. So anyway, it is what it is. That's good. Well, enjoy. your new grass bagel
Starting point is 00:06:54 and hope your my weed bagel. Hope your Cheetos sandwich was delicious. Yep. Changing things up down there at the Panera. It felt like if I used the little console you used to order your stuff ahead of time
Starting point is 00:07:08 if you want to do it that way, I felt like if I used it after that guy, I could lick it and I would have had a, like a... Just a contact time. Yeah. Well, you would have gotten something. I don't know if it would have been a contact tie, but you would have walked away with with a little something extra somewhere yeah and i don't want that right now i got
Starting point is 00:07:25 Vegas coming up i don't want to get sick coli or whatnot i know man like you said like you said man two weeks two weeks from the actual week start yep you know right now um two weeks from today uh Travis and tom and bobby are going to be getting ready for their live podcasting stuff no they're probably still going to be sleeping or maybe getting breakfast getting a pink box donut getting ready for their deal. Yeah, I mean, as they should. I'll be getting ready to put the last two
Starting point is 00:07:55 Frog Pants, All-Stars through their Tashville. Sorry. You know, you always, weirdly, you always pronounce it that way. You always have a weird way of. Yeah, Turcha, Taskville. Yeah, strange how that keeps happening. Very odd. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:12 So this is us right here. Look at the two weeks lady. That's us. That's us right there. Exactly. Two weeks. Well, that'll give you a freaking cheater. I turn that off.
Starting point is 00:08:19 Jeez. That is hypno-toed level. It's too much. Too much. By the way, if you, you know, since we're bringing it up, talking about TMS Vegas, if you're not yet part of a team for swingers' mini golf, but you're on the left side as far as like a straggler, go ahead. And if you're okay being a captain, all you have to do is a captain is book the reservation for your four-person team. everybody's agreed that as soon as you're booked they will Venmo the money to whoever
Starting point is 00:08:49 but move yourself over to the right side create a team we'll pull three more people over two more people however many we need to fill out the teams but let's get let's make sure we get all that squared away with the six 630 7 o'clock and 730 mini golf folks yeah get in there swingers let's get that done yeah okay quick note here
Starting point is 00:09:11 about T-Mobile home internet It's actually a phone call, and Jason R has a question. Oh, interesting. And I think I can answer it, so let's give it a shot. Hey, Scott and Brian, this is Jason R calling again. I will enjoy hearing you discuss about what the R stands for again. Just curious if you guys actually ever tried that home internet from T-Mobile. When I looked into it, the price was great and everything,
Starting point is 00:09:38 but they were saying it was only 100 megapits per second and you couldn't get any faster speeds. So I'm just curious, if you tried it, if it's any good, I don't know how anybody gets anything done with 100 megabits per second, but just was looking for some firsthand experience. All right, love the show, though. All right, Jason R. Today, you are Jason Robards, Robards, famed actor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jason Robards. Dad or Grandpa or Judge in so many 80s films that we know and love.
Starting point is 00:10:09 Yes. He was in a Corey's movie, one of the Corey's movie. he was what license to drive I think he was the judge in that judge I get all you do is picture Jason Robart in like a judge's robe and sitting there with a gavel
Starting point is 00:10:26 yeah yeah dream a little dream Sean Bloom confirms okay yeah I said license to drive I said license to drive sorry dream a little dream a little dream yeah and he was the one he's in it's a little movie we like with Tom Cruise the what's his name Magnolia he's the one dying. He's dying. He's the one dying.
Starting point is 00:10:44 Yeah, that everybody, like, he's Tom Cruise and Julianne Moore's dad. Yeah, yeah. Dushbag lawyer guy, chief partner in the movie Philadelphia. And the other one I always remember him in is the day after tomorrow. He was the one in the car when the bombs
Starting point is 00:11:00 hit and then on the EMP hit and all the cars stopped. I always remember that. I wasn't allowed to watch that when it aired. Maybe that explains. It scared my grandmother. It's scary as shit. That thing still scary it's scary it's yeah it gets scarier the the closer our little uh little uh clock hands get to midnight yeah it does feel like you know we're damn close you guys got to understand this thing was like
Starting point is 00:11:25 height of the cold war and 86 85 five something like that and it was a big tv miniseries event and it's still to this day i've seen it parts of it kind of recently and it's kind of weird how well it holds up in the freaky department like in the kind of like ooh this is scary it it really affected a there's a whole generation of people that got like nailed by this thing by that show yeah like it uh totally yeah oh steve guttenberg jo beth williams are you sure this isn't the big chill uh that i'm looking at here sounds like i think it had a weird it had a weird cast of like comedians and yeah i b madigan um yeah i wonder 126 minutes this thing this thing came in 1983, came with so many
Starting point is 00:12:09 warnings about don't let your children watch this. It's very scary. A lot of parental guidance needs to be used here. Oh yeah. They were always giving us warnings back then. Yeah, but I imagine it's got to be streaming somewhere. Does ABC? ABC has a streaming service.
Starting point is 00:12:34 I wonder if... I think ABC is there, or is that CBS? Who has Paramount? CBS? That's CBS. That's right. You know what? Let me tell you a tradition that continues to this day.
Starting point is 00:12:44 I can't get ABC and CBS. Correct. I realize they're similar ABC, CBS. It's almost sounds like they're reverses of each other. Terrestrial. Yeah. And I just, you could lie to me and say, ABC is doing this and CBS is doing this and actually have it be the opposite.
Starting point is 00:13:01 And I just believe you, because I don't know. I can't do it. NBC, I get it. It's a separate thing. There's an end in there. it really separates itself but which one is the eyeball i don't remember i think cbs abc i don't know uh currently not streaming available for rent on amazon but um oh my gosh who would do who would rent that shit right exactly three pay your three ninety nine to watch this piece of garbage um but the uh uh it that whole abc nbcc
Starting point is 00:13:28 cbs cbs thing about god it was 20 years ago 30 years ago at this point where all of them changed whatever local channel they were. We had four, seven, and nine, and for the longest time, Channel 4 was NBC, Channel 7 was CBS, Channel 9 was ABC out here. Yeah. And then 20 years ago,
Starting point is 00:13:47 there was a big switcheroo, and they all changed, basically everyone shifted to the left. So I think NBC became Channel 9, CBS became Channel 4, and ABC became 7. And we don't care about terrestrial numbers anymore. Obviously, it's like,
Starting point is 00:14:05 I go to Hulu TV, I hit whatever thing I want, I watch whatever I want. But for that, for those time, for that time between when they changed it and when I went fully to streaming, it was still freaking confusing me to remember what channel was which. Yeah. No, I don't like it when they did. They did that to us at one point as well, and I don't remember who went where. It was actually the two CBS, ABC. This is probably part of the problem. Those two switched because they used to be, it was always two, four, and five for us.
Starting point is 00:14:32 and then two and four swapped at some point and I lost all track of who the hell they were but NBC has always stayed on four four or no five so the other two flip flopped around it yeah and I don't know why they got to stay there they had the you know their eyewitness news at Channel 5 eyewitness they had a whole like slogan thing
Starting point is 00:14:52 maybe that's why I got stayed there but yeah NBC growing up NBC's all that mattered anyway everybody else kind of yeah it really is exactly must see TV they were they were right That was accurately named programming. They were kind of killing it. Your friends, your Frasier, your cheers, your, and then your ancillary Carolina in the city
Starting point is 00:15:14 and just shoot me and all that stuff that kind of floated around it. Brainebo Bright says, what was PBS? Ours was Channel 7. Ours was CBS. Six. Yeah, I think it depends. Just all depends on local market
Starting point is 00:15:26 where you land on the channels. And nowadays, what even is a channel? Exactly. That is even picking up stuff on a TV antenna with a strip of tinfoil stuck on the very end of it to help. Exactly. But now that I've gone off on the Jason Robarts thing, I should probably answer his question about T-Mobile. Answer the T-Mobile. Answered the fucking question.
Starting point is 00:15:49 So here's the deal, Jason, R. We have been very happy with it. We've had it now for, gosh, we're probably pushing five months of it or something. Got it right before the end of the year. And it has been great. We do get way more than 100 megabits per second. We get something closer to 800, 900, something like that. Pushing a gigabit, gigabyte.
Starting point is 00:16:13 The downloads, or sorry, the uploads are slower. I want to say that's somewhere in the 60 to 80 range. But that was to be expected. That's just that kind of service. It's been reliable. I think that they tell you different depending on where you're located, though. Because wherever you're, it's all pulling off 5G towers. Basically, it is a 5G.
Starting point is 00:16:32 collector device and if you've got nearby 5G tower access especially multiples of them it's going to triangulate and give you a better speed if you aren't and they'll tell you this because you're in a certain zip code or something they'll like they'll tell you what how much lower it would be sounds like you're maybe in a bad coverage area or an area that's just not going to give you as much bandwidth so that part is a bummer because it all depends on where you're at but if you can find a place or a If you live in a pocket where you can get really good 5G coverage, it's been great. It's a lot like what does Verizon do? I forgot the name of their thing.
Starting point is 00:17:08 Xfinity? No, Xfinity is like their cable, isn't it? Yeah. Well, I thought it's also their internet services and not. No, that's that's Comcast, Universal Comcast. Oh, right, right, right. That's right, yes. I can't remember the name of it.
Starting point is 00:17:24 Wi-Fi, is it? Whatever it is. Anyway, there's a name for it. And then AT&T has a version of this. They all kind of have a thing with this, and it's all about, like, connecting to the 5G towers. So your results are going to vary, but we've been very happy with it, and it is way cheaper. Fios, that's it. Thank you, Monica.
Starting point is 00:17:46 Fios. Yeah, okay. I remember hearing about Fios. Well, you'd think you'd want to, if you're going to come up with a short word that everyone remembers, you ought to come up with one that everyone remembers. Exactly. Fios. Fios. It sounds like something I got a flash on my motherboard. That's some bullshit. There's a Fios firmware upgrade that you got to download. Great. Flash your Fios.
Starting point is 00:18:05 How heck do I do that again? Yeah. But anyways, the point is, it's great if you can get the right coverage. If you can't, I totally get it. But the price is so much, I had Xfinity before, Comcast before, and I freaking hated it. It was so unreliable. This thing, no issues. I've had to restart it once, I think. And it was because of some, probably a brownout or something like that. I don't know. Yeah. All right. Speaking of calls, we got a call from Dr. Tolbert. He wanted to chime in on emotional support animals because we called him ours, I believe, right? Didn't we say, we said something.
Starting point is 00:18:39 We said he's our emotional support doctor or something like that. Oh, we were talking about somebody wanted a snake, emotional support cobra or something. There was something weird. Something weird somebody wanted to have or they got in trouble for having or didn't actually. Yeah, exactly. Oh, it was a bunch of tigers. That's what it was. Oh, tigers.
Starting point is 00:19:00 That's right. Yes, emotional support tigers. Yeah. So, all right. Let's play this and see what happens. Good morning. Jens, your friendly neighborhood family doc, swinging by to answer your somewhat unintentional page from 10 April. Scott, you asked if there was anyone like Dr. Tolbert for emotional support animals who could answer questions.
Starting point is 00:19:16 It just so happens that I, Dr. Tolbert, can answer questions about emotional support animals because I write letters for patients all the time who are trying to get their animal qualified to be an emotional support animal. There are several different state and local laws that govern the use of emotional support animals, but there's no one single federal legislation. Patients can get any kind of animal qualified from a spider to a snake, to a dog, to a cat, to a lizard. And it mostly involves getting a certification that they can present for places like apartments or other rentals or for airlines. And it allows them to bring their pets and their emotional support animals into a place that they normally wouldn't be able to. allowed to enter. There is no single governing law, and so it can vary from place to place. So anyone who's interested in getting an emotional support animals should make sure that they
Starting point is 00:20:05 know those regulations and what they are allowed and not allowed to do. But in general, most primary care physicians will write letters to help patients get their animals qualified. Hope that helps. And if you have any other questions, don't hesitate to page me, even if it's unintentional. So I can get an emotional support spider. I could do that. You can. Totally. Yeah. what a weird ass idea that is i mean what a crock and you can also get emotional support crock yeah you can get a uh i sounds like anything anything yeah now i guess the story was less about whether the guy the story was more that he'd never he didn't actually go through the the trouble to do that part channels to have it licensed as a right yeah and if you live in a state or you live in a province or
Starting point is 00:20:51 area of the world where tigers, wild tigers are not allowed at all, well, you're never going to get a register as an emotional support animal that are already illegal to have. So that guy was screwed either way, I think, unless he was from Missouri, because then they're weird over there, but I don't know, man, that's nuts to me. That's nuts. A spider. Imagine, I got a little spider over here. Let's pretend this little Diablo is a spider. What do I, what do I do? He sits over here in a cage or in a little glass thing, and I'm like working away with Brian and going, oh, you know, I'm having one of those days. It's like, hold on a second.
Starting point is 00:21:25 Hey, how are you doing over here, Spider? Give me some. You just look, basically all you can do is really, you can't really pet it. You can't really pet a spider. Maybe a tarantially you could, but. Yeah, it's a weird thing. Like Tim in the chat says, I thought Jim Rainer, the female dog was my emotional support animal. I mean, she is just naturally.
Starting point is 00:21:40 I don't have to have her license to be that. Not licensed as such, but, but does the job without the licensing. Yeah, and I assume she'd have to have some very special training to get any kind of licensing, and I can tell you right now, from the bottom of my heart, she is ill-prepared for any of that. She could never do it. Whose little plastic Diablo is cuter? Let's see.
Starting point is 00:22:03 Yours for sure. This thing is more like Diablo 2. He's evil. Yours is cute. I have that guy, too, somewhere. I don't know where he is. Yeah. Came in our swag bags.
Starting point is 00:22:13 I guess you're supposed to hang out upside down like that. I'll be honest. I don't know where, this is Diablo 2 style Diablo, and I don't know where I got this. it's just completely showed up one day like the devil himself like the true prime evil the world it didn't exist yes it's greatest trick really
Starting point is 00:22:34 all right a couple more things quick PSA good news everybody good news the swag only version of the TMS 2025 Vegas trip is up so if you can't come but you want the goodies as it says right here on this page you can do that you can get all this stuff included in a obviously a much lower price because it doesn't cover the the trip
Starting point is 00:22:58 ticket so for as low as 2499 you can get all these things mailed to you directly in a little cute box that comes with everything in there and again it's the double-sided challenge coin exactly we got the the frog pants shot glass we got stickers we got Mario becoming one of those last of us mushroom head guys we got carters got a monster trap thing for a print i got uh uh what's his name getting licked kirby getting licked kirby ice cream and then of course our uh awesome uh drink coaster which will also feature this year's art and then this main thing here is a sticker anyway if you wanted the uh the swag bag and you've been just sitting around going well i can't come but where's the damn swag it's up it's at frogpants dot shop you can go there right now uh click it the link
Starting point is 00:23:49 that's on the TMS.V. Vegas will also take you to the same page. Just go out to the main menu and choose the swag-only pack. It is there. There are limited quantities, so if you want yours, now would be the time to grab them and all the info's there. So go check it out. That again, frogpants.com slash,
Starting point is 00:24:05 or sorry, frogpants.com has a shop link. Wherever you get there, just get there. All right? I'm not picky. Very cool. Yeah, no, go grab them. Buy them all. Get them all purchased. That's right. What else is going on? Oh, we have news on the tourney. We do. Yeah. We finally filled those last two spots. And so Chuck sent me
Starting point is 00:24:26 the final set up brackets for the TMS Vegas tournament. And oddly enough, the guy we just heard from, Dr. Tolbert, is going against you in the first round. Oh, shit. That's not going to be good. He's going to use some trick, like put propanol, propanol on the stick or something, make me go to sleep. Exactly. He's going to cover the something numbing agent for. the buttons or something. So as soon as you start touching them, you lose control of your controls. Great.
Starting point is 00:24:57 Control loss. Let's see. There's some other fun ones. Looks like Greg for Walkman is going against Mara. Bobby's co-host in the first round. Free Monster and Leonomas. Oh, look at that. Dr. Niki.
Starting point is 00:25:13 I'm sorry, Dr. Niki. Nicky. Nicky. Dr. Nicky versus Claire in the first. round two of my favorite ladies who could not be more different personality-wise i'm excited to see this little this little battle i'm against rummy mike in the first round i don't i i know i've met rummy mike but i can't remember visually uh let's see he's always drinking rum steve in new hampshire oh windy and steve nice yep yep nice Wendy's not very good you'd think she grew up with arcade
Starting point is 00:25:46 machines she did she didn't play like i did she's not that great so you probably got a pretty good chance, Steve. There's another good matchup. Leslie, I'm sorry, not Leslie, the Jen versus Stephanie Inopets. Oh. You know what? I don't know who I would pick in that. Keep grills versus Stephanie in a pet.
Starting point is 00:26:07 So there you go. Nice. Yeah, there's some good lineups here. And you and I potentially, if we were to go up against each other, the earliest it could happen would be looks like, wow, not until 1, 2, 3, 4 the 5th round. Oh, not till the
Starting point is 00:26:28 finals. Oh. You and I are in opposite sides of the bracket. So Oh, shit. So if you and I are playing against each other, no more no more Tron advantages that you can you can, you know, complain about for ad nauseum. Dorn, Tron,
Starting point is 00:26:44 beat me. I'm bringing some power cable cutters with me, just in Okay, so, because Tron is not my game, and Brian is very good at it. Those trailers for Aries, have you excited? I'm pretty excited about the new movie. Yes. Yes. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:27:06 Yeah. And nine-inch nails. Not Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross, but nine-inch nails during the soundtrack. Essentially the same guys, but it's under that moniker, which means, It should mean something to people. It should mean something. Harder edge. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:21 I'm excited about that. I'm excited because here's the thing. I know everyone loves to hate on what's his name? Jared Leto. I know people like to do that. Oh, yeah, sure. But I think it's misplaced. Sure, he's in some stinkers and sure he's a little weird in real life.
Starting point is 00:27:36 But I think you say it's weird. It's his little like-a-do real-life stuff that I think warrants the... Sure. The, yeah. And the fact that he's like pushing 60 and looks 24, like there's some weirdness there. However, that guy, I think, is a good actor And given the right parts, he's really amazing And I loved him, Blade Runner 2049
Starting point is 00:27:55 I have no problem waiting to see how this goes I'm not so cynical that I think everything from here on out It's going to be like freaking What was the De Vampire shit? What was it called? Morbius. It's not going to be Morbius forever. Oh, gosh, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:28:12 We can forget, if we have not already forgotten about Morbius, we can forget about Morbius. Yeah, put Morbius behind us, really. That's what we want to do. Please put Morbius in the corner. Let us now play a game. All right. Okay.
Starting point is 00:28:26 Tradition is that Mondays we bring Brian Dunn away in here and we let him have at it. If I can find him here, here we go. Very excited about that. He's had a whirlwind weekend. Lots of traveling around driving 12 hours, one direction, 10 the other. He's probably tired, a little bit pooped. But we're here for him. here to bring him back into the fold, as it were.
Starting point is 00:28:50 There he is. Oh, that music means Brian Dunaway is back from his World Wind Driving Tour. Hello, Brian. Oh, hi Scott and Brian. I'm so glad to be out of the car. We drove all the way up to Ohio, watched our indoor percussion band. You make it to semifinals. That was amazing.
Starting point is 00:29:16 they did great and then we had to come home through the mountains again and and on the way through I was like hey we should we should pee before we get to this long stretch of single lane highway sure so let's let's take the last exit on the right before we do that cool cool oh look there's a buckies we haven't been to one of those in a while clean bathrooms right there yeah exactly what I thought clean bathrooms oh guess what I took the exit one hour later when we finally got back on the road because apparently the one in Severeville just opened up and it's the world's largest
Starting point is 00:29:51 buckies and I'm like well great so man okay so good like packed to the gills yeah dude there was like thousands of people there I mean I've seen less crowds at Disney World when I've been down there
Starting point is 00:30:05 it was insane there were there were like two bathroom attendants in there so many bathroom attendants they had places to gather for the bathroom attendants I'm like okay, this is too much. Wow, yeah. So when you say attendance, they're just cleaning,
Starting point is 00:30:18 are they hand any towels, or what's that like in a Buckees? They were, I don't know, they wouldn't let me in. There was a big group of, and they were in a circle. I was like, what are you doing? Let me, what do you got?
Starting point is 00:30:26 What are you doing over there? It's like, they were like, bathroom defendants than attendance. Yeah. Yeah. They were summoning the latest batch of those weird nuggets they sell. Yeah. Bathroom preventants is what they were.
Starting point is 00:30:39 Sure. I knew we were in when we walked in and there were shopping carts. I'm like, oh, shit. Yeah. Shopping cards. people are shopping in here fine so in to sum it up i made a huge mistake uh trying to pull over and do a quick pee i looked right into the mouth of capitalism and there was a big giant beaver in there yeah yeah and the beaver stirred back at you and it stared back i mean
Starting point is 00:31:03 how's it go and you owe some uh beaver nuggets no thanks sir yeah all the beaver nuggets you can eat at those places i will tell you this though that barbecue their barbecue sandwiches are The bomb. Yeah, they got a big old griddle in the middle. And, you know, they got like six people on there mixing up meats. Yelling every barbecue done or whatever they're yelling.
Starting point is 00:31:26 Yeah. Every new batch is ready. Definitely corner in a corner to a weird ass market with that thing. It's insane. Nothing wrong with Buckees. Just not the place you want to accidentally find yourself and it's like, oh, I got a pee. Uh-oh.
Starting point is 00:31:39 I just walked into a tourist attraction. Yeah. Well, you did go across the street, go to the Exxon over there. or whatever, should do that. It would have been a lot better. Well, it's good to have you here. We're going to play this here game. We're going to have some fun, win some prizes, all that stuff.
Starting point is 00:31:53 But Brian, Ibbott here has to explain these damned rules. Brian, how's it works? That's right. Oh, there's so many. Welcome to the morning half-houses, a trivia game where I'm actually going to be giving the two of you the answers. I'm going to give Scott and Brian a category and six possible answers, three of which are correct.
Starting point is 00:32:08 And three, like the people not letting anybody get into the Becky's bathrooms are incorrect. Depending on how confident they feel with the category, they can provide one, two, or three guesses. But if any of those guesses are wrong, you get zero points for that round. One correct gets you a point. Two correct gets you three points, and three correct gets you five points. We're going to add up all those points after three rounds. And whichever one of you comes out on top is going to win a prize for their contestant. Here are the contestants that are members of our tadpool that aren't able to be here live.
Starting point is 00:32:39 Scott, you're playing for Dwayne Coyle in Illinois. Oh, I love, Dway. He's awesome, yeah. Oh, yeah, bro, baby's awesome. Go check out his book. I don't know if it's commercially available yet. A MOOC for all seasons. Go look for that wherever your books are sold.
Starting point is 00:32:55 Brian, you're playing for Siddhartha in Brazil. Oh, Brazil. That's where you'll get my area done. That's right. Is that your Brazilian? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. His special zone. I like to keep it legit.
Starting point is 00:33:10 No, sir. You don't have to go to Brazil. to get your... Well, they did have some in Buckees, but I wasn't sure. Oh, yeah, don't do that. They're good at... Brazilians. Yeah, they'll mix you.
Starting point is 00:33:21 It's the same guys making those awesome barbecue sandwiches are the same guys that give you Brazilians. Don't do it. Yeah, exactly. And they don't wash their hands in between either of those things. So you're going to get barbecue sauce in a unit, and you're going to get pubes in your biscuit sandwich. No, no, I'm kidding.
Starting point is 00:33:38 Please sponsor TMS, Buckees. Anyway. Let's get to your questions here. We're going to start off with number one, as we always do. Countries where women did not have the right to vote in 1950. So obviously this is, you know, things that people are thinking about right now with maiden names and married names and passports being looked at for when you get to vote in November. But let's look at the countries where women did not have the right to vote in 1950. Your choices are Iran,
Starting point is 00:34:13 Spain, Canada, Greece, Thailand, Switzerland. Okay. Three of these are places that women did not. I'm going to offend somebody if I say the wrong thing. I know, right. I know. You'll lose your right to vote is the problem. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:34:29 What are you kidding me, Brian? I don't know anything about Thailand's history? I know. No. Stupid American trying to pee a buckies. What more from me? I did the dumb American trying to take a piss of buckies. I'm trying to pick a frickin' ass man.
Starting point is 00:34:43 That's awesome. All right, Scott has lucked in with his answers. Brian working on his. Very good. All right. Well, you guys each chose two, and you overlapped on Thailand. Thailand, women got the right to vote in Thailand in 1932. Yeah, it just needs you out back to get Iran.
Starting point is 00:35:06 Correct. Iran, women didn't get the right to vote until 1963. Greece, not until 1952. And Switzerland, like super progressive Switzerland, not until 1971. Interesting. I don't know that there's so much progressive as they are, like, they don't want to pick sides usually, right? They don't want to pick sides, neutral. I guess progressive versus neutral, but, you know.
Starting point is 00:35:27 Yeah. It is a little weird. I would have never. Stubbets there and climate conferences there and stuff like that. Yeah, I would have never. Sorry, go ahead, Brian. Yeah, I thought Iran was like progressive for a minute and then they fell back and I couldn't remember. And I was like, no.
Starting point is 00:35:41 I'm not sure they even. That was the only one that I was sure of when I did this game. Well, that's what I thought, too. But it felt like bait, just like the big down beer. It felt like bait. Here's my question, though, is can I, if I'm a lady in Iran now, Iran, Iran, whatever it is, am I, can I vote now? Or is still not voting in Iran. Iran, Iran.
Starting point is 00:36:04 Does anyone know? Iran. Yes, no, Iran, women got the right to vote in 1950. I'm sorry, 1963. Oh, okay. That surprises me. I figured they were still stuck in the dark ages, but that's what I'm like. Yep, yep.
Starting point is 00:36:17 All right. Apparently not. Wow, okay. So apparently a lot of, a lot of heat against Switzerland in the chat. I guess we were mistaken to think that there was anything good about Switzerland. Oh, okay. Bombie and Claire both have plenty to say about Switzerland, apparently. We don't know anything about Switzerland here in the U.S.
Starting point is 00:36:36 Come on. We don't know. Apparently not. Other than that's where five of my bank accounts are. Let's get to question number two. And question number two is all about history and Lynn Manuel Corana. Which of these are founding fathers who appear in Hamilton? You know whether you see it live or watch it on Disney Plus.
Starting point is 00:36:57 I didn't watch it. Am I a bad person? Yeah, you are. I'm so dumb with presidents. You don't like any of them. I don't like none of them. They're all bad. All right.
Starting point is 00:37:08 Well, I think. All right. You both have locked in. And you guys locked in on five different ones. All John Adams, John Adams basically did not get picked by either of you. Boy, a lot of John Adams hate, too. Let's see which ones are right though. Scott, you went straight down the right side.
Starting point is 00:37:29 Brian, you went with the bottom 20 left, Hancock and Franklin. Scott got it all right. Jefferson, Madison, Washington, all three of them appear. Yeah, and I saw the state. or the Disney stream of the live thing, whatever that is. And it's easy to remember, I think it's easier to remember once you've seen them standing there, doing a part. And then it's easy to remember who you didn't see singing or whatever. It really helped me to have seen it.
Starting point is 00:37:59 So if you hadn't seen it, I was just thinking, what would you put in there? John Hancock being all flourishedy with his hand signature. I was like, maybe that's something. And I thought Benjamin Franklin, sure, he's in there doing something on a $100 bill or something. I don't know. Well, if you were talking about the John Adams miniseries, all of these people showed up. That's right. The Giamati deal.
Starting point is 00:38:20 John Adams only gets mentioned. How Scott is murdering me. Oh, he, I couldn't even remember if he got mentioned. That's interesting. He gets mentioned. He gets honorable mention. And I want to say that. So I guess the only two there weren't even near it.
Starting point is 00:38:36 Maybe Franklin. Franklin is so weird. He spent most of his time in France in a tub or whatever the hell. I was trying to think of what might rhyme well with Hancock and Franklin. I was trying to think it rhymes as well. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Sure. Well, the good thing that
Starting point is 00:38:50 Jefferson, Madison, Washington all rhyme with each other. So you've got three built in names that all right. I should have thought of that. Right. All right. Well, we're going into the last question here. And Brian, you need five. You need to go, you need to shoot for the moon
Starting point is 00:39:06 to even tie Scott. And that's if Scott doesn't get anything That's got going to blow it, so no problem. Yeah, that's true. All right, let's get to our last question here. Music. Oh, I love this. This is a great question.
Starting point is 00:39:18 Which of these six songs? Whoops, why isn't it switching over? There we go. Which of these six songs contain the word mother in their lyrics? Your choices are, Mama by Genesis, Stain Alive by the Bee Gees, Billy Jean by Michael Jackson, Julia by the Beatles, Happy by Pharrell Williams, and theme from Shaft by Isaac Hayes. three of these contain the word mother in the lyrics three of them do not oh my gosh what about
Starting point is 00:39:44 mama does mama does not mama is not the word mother and i've clearly everything you need is on the card staying alive stay alive my mom says stay alive i have no idea um well wow this is where i could really blow it but i'm ahead enough i probably don't need to do more than one so i'm going to say that one's a father not a mother I don't know I wish this was Pink Floyd and uh no no dancing you were hoping for dancing yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:40:20 all right Scott locked in with one Brian Dunaway locked in with three that is a smart move because I had to yeah now let's look at your choices here Brian you chose
Starting point is 00:40:36 right let's start with that one let's start with that one Let's start with theme from Shaft, because you obviously know that one. Some people say that Shaft is a bad mother. Shut your mouth. Oh, mother. Yeah, easy one. Easy one.
Starting point is 00:40:47 Yeah. That's an easy one. That one you got correct. Sure. Staying alive by the Bee Gees. Whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother, you're staying alive. Stay alive. Staying alive.
Starting point is 00:40:57 Yeah, I got those. And you those for sure. I wasn't sure about the Billie Jean thing. It feels right. Well, let's look at these two. Billy Jean by Michael Jackson. Scott chose Julia by the Beatles, which is a song that John Lennon wrote.
Starting point is 00:41:08 about his mother, Julia. There you go. There you go. However, he did not include the word mother, even though it's a song about his mother. Billy Jean does contain the word mother. We have ourselves a tie game. Are you kidding me, dude? How are we tied at five?
Starting point is 00:41:27 How is this possible? Because I know about my mother's songs, and you know apparently about Hamilton. So, there you go. Right. Okay. I'm surprised Billy Jean. I thought Billy Jean was a dad reference. I completely screwed that up. Claire, no, Billy Jean is not
Starting point is 00:41:42 your mother. Not the lyric. Billy Jean is not my lover. The lyric is, let's find it here. He wrote, and mother always told me, be careful who you love. There you go. She wrote Billy Jan is not your mother, which is true. Billy Jan is not our mother. It's true. Billy Jan.
Starting point is 00:42:02 Also not. Correct. Yes. Billy Jan is not my mother the legend of billy jenn which means we go to a tiebreaker you you get the points before brian did so i'm going to let you choose whether or not you um you give an answer a numerical answer or higher or lower which would you prefer i'll be the higher or lower person duh okay all right um oh god this is great all right 52 i'm going to rub my lucky horn while we do this i'm going to rub it Oh, gross. Dude, really? What? Yep, rubbing my lucky horn.
Starting point is 00:42:37 All right, going back to 2018. Remember 2018? Heady days, 2018. Yeah. Not including expansions, how many board and card games were released worldwide in 2018? Around the world. Board games, card games, but not expansions. Right.
Starting point is 00:42:57 So this is 2018. This is for the pandemic. I would say after the pandemic, people would be like, be like, oh, get some board games out there, dude. so this is probably just regular old run-of-the-mill year for board games sure i mean it's probably there was still a rush going on because they were becoming more and more popular people even before the pandemic board games were seeing a resurgence so right right right all right so um i can't go to board game geek right i can't and i can't imagine that without a lot of exporting their API you would
Starting point is 00:43:30 get an answer to chat gpt is it's really smart no i'm not going to do that. All right. So how about I'm going to go oh, Jesus. Every time I go to Barnes and Noble, there's like 50 new board games. So I'm going to say there were 69,
Starting point is 00:43:48 dude. 69. 69. 69. 69. That's not. Scott. How, uh, that is incorrect. Uh, is the actual answer higher or lower than 69? I am the rhino. Which is a more and say.
Starting point is 00:44:02 Rino. which I'm going to say that that number should be higher this is a little harder than I thought I was going to be
Starting point is 00:44:12 but I'm going to say that number is higher yeah I will tell you it is indeed higher 3,884 board games and card games I should have said
Starting point is 00:44:23 420 I was trying to think of funny numbers and I was 69 420 I was like 420 sounds a little high I was like 69 it is
Starting point is 00:44:30 that is just under 4,000 two low on that one. That's, I mean, that's way higher than I would have. If he'd have said 3,000 or 2,000 or 1,000, I would have said less. So, yeah, just for comparison. I said 1 million. What would you have said that? I would have said less. Just for comparison sake, in 1968, 207 board and card games. All monopoly. Variations. All variations. All variations of monopoly. That means congratulations going to Scott for eking out the win here at the
Starting point is 00:45:01 very end. Scott, that means Dwayne is going to get a copy of Total War Faro Dynasties and Trapeg II on Steam. I know nothing about those games, but... Both are excellent. That Trapang 2 is a extraction
Starting point is 00:45:17 shooter that is very, very, very good. That is a... Not a game to sleep on. It's got its fans, but a lot of people don't know about it. It's very, very good. Nice. But don't worry, Sadartha in Brazil, you are getting a copy of My Little Universe. also on Steam
Starting point is 00:45:32 all three of these games courtesy of Wesley Well that's fantastic I love being done away So Donaway kiss my butt But also You know the new day
Starting point is 00:45:43 That we record Play Retro is now Mondays at 4 p.m. Mountain Time And today That's today you better hurry up and prep We're going to do all the hydro thunder business All the associated games
Starting point is 00:45:53 The thunders We're doing the thunders The loosely connected Thunder series From Midway games during the late 90s, early 2000s. Hydro Thunder launched title for Dreamcast. And, of course, there's off-road thunder and Arctic Thunder.
Starting point is 00:46:09 And you might be surprised what I thought about that last one today. Oh, really? Interesting. I like them all. I think it's hard to beat Hydro is kind of the top pick. But we'll talk about all those later. Put your quarters in now and kiss our butts. He's gone.
Starting point is 00:46:25 Ooh. Ooh. Ah, ha, ha. All right. Sure enough. Brian, we have time for one news story. So here it is for you and your enjoyment. It's time for the news brought to you by.
Starting point is 00:46:39 Brought to you by Daily Music Headlines, which you can subscribe to for free at DailyMusikheadlines.com. There are options if you want to avoid the ads. Please do. Please avoid those ads and subscribe with whatever the thing is that gets you no ads. I don't know. Tom handles all that. But today on the news, you're going to find out about the space
Starting point is 00:47:00 Mission, the all-female space mission that has a musician on board, Katie Perry, Doja Cat, releasing information about her brand-new album, and Addison Ray found an interesting way at Coachella to announce the release date of her debut album. She wrote it on her butt and then turned around and moon the crowd. You can find out all of this by going to daily musicheadlines.com and subscribing there. Do you get into why Katie Perry? I don't want to spill the popcorn in the theater here but is it sure okay did they did they pick why or do they say why she's the pick they've never really said why like they just um uh i don't know how they chose because it's a lot of it's a lot of um let me pull up the the sheet again because the
Starting point is 00:47:48 other people in the deal are are legit yeah they're all astronaut people right there um no there's a journalist Lauren Sanchez aerospace engineer Aisha Bowes civil rights activist, Nobel Peace Prize nominee, Amanda Wynne, producer and entrepreneur, Carrie Ann Flynn, and then Oprah's Bestie, CBS Mornings Anchor, Anchor, Gail King. Oh, okay. Yeah, so. All right, so it's kind of all over the place. It's not like it's. It's kind of all over the place, yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:20 It's, you know, you've got sporty spice, science spice, booby spice, fireworks spice. Sure. That is, like, Katie Perry's both. she left the earth Silver rights spice and aerospace spice Aerospace spice there you and this is Bezos's deal right his thing It is Bezos yeah blue origin or whatever
Starting point is 00:48:40 Okay the big penis shaped rocket Right well that's exciting Good luck to them and may Katie Perry find Back up boobs while she's out there Oh my gosh Jim John's like it's a lot of horrible people The worst people one place I would argue that a civil rights activist
Starting point is 00:48:57 and Nobel Peace Prize nominee is not a member of the worst people to put in space. Yeah. I mean... Say what you want about, you know, Katie Perry, pop singer, whatever. Sure. But I think all the other people on this list are pretty dang legit.
Starting point is 00:49:12 Last time they did it, it was Shatner and then I don't know who else went. I assume some billionaire friends or whatever. I don't remember anyone talking smack about that. I think, honestly, I think the fact that it's all women is kicking up more ire than it should. I think that's a weird thing for people to do.
Starting point is 00:49:30 Anyway, let's get to what. That's true, Jim Johns. You didn't say it was the worst people. You said it's wealthy people being bored. And somebody replied to you, I see you said it's the worst people in one place. Gotcha. Yeah, that's the chat for you. Correction.
Starting point is 00:49:44 Correction issue. Here is Katie Perry on her trip. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, sounds a lot like Shatman. Exactly what she's going to, what she's going to say. Weird. All right, quick story. Central Florida woman arrested.
Starting point is 00:49:56 after selling human bones in a curio store. Oh, shit. Oh, no. A Deltona woman. Deltona. It's not the same as Daytona. Oh, is that from the video game, Daytona game? Yeah, Daytona.
Starting point is 00:50:12 Don't something go away. You know that song, don't you? It's a good one. Let's see. Do I have it here? I do. You want to hear it? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:26 Daytona Let's go away That's it Let's go away Is what they say Oh gotcha Oh yeah Daytona USA
Starting point is 00:50:34 Yes of course Great game Terrible music Great game Yeah Anyway Deltona is where this is Where this lady's from
Starting point is 00:50:41 Different place Was placed in handcuffs After an officer Found Human Bones Among her wares At an Orange City Curio store According to the police
Starting point is 00:50:49 Department In an affidavit Police said They received a complaint Just days Before Christmas About the store Dubbed Wicked Wonderland
Starting point is 00:50:56 trying to sell human bones. According to the police, the story had reportedly been advertising various human bones on his Facebook page, complete with pricing details. Here they are. Brian, if you want to know what these are going to go for, here are your bone prices.
Starting point is 00:51:09 Number one, two human skull fragments. 90 bucks. It's not bad. Human skull. I mean, you can get a lot of fragments from one human skull, so that seems like a cash cow right there. That's true.
Starting point is 00:51:21 You get one skull, you're probably going to make a couple of grand on that skull. Human clavicle and scapula, 90 bucks for the pair. Wow. Human rib, 35. You can start your own biblical human race with a human rib. That's right. That's right.
Starting point is 00:51:39 You know, you could spring forth a woman from that rib. That's right. Yeah, if that story is to be believed. And then a human vertebrae, $35 also, not bad. And if you want a partial human skull, I don't know what partial means. They don't define it. It's missing two fragments. Yeah, two fragments.
Starting point is 00:51:57 This thing's got eight-tenths of its fragments still. It's 600 bucks will be what it will cost you for a fake, for a real skullhead. Anyway, it's not legal. You can't do this. I didn't, I mean, I wouldn't do it, but I guess I didn't realize if you owned bones, human bones that you couldn't, maybe you're not even allowed to own human bones, right? Human remains? I don't think so. There may be some variance on that depending on age or like, you know, obviously people do archaeological digs and then take them to museums and those museums own them.
Starting point is 00:52:32 So that's different clearly, but I don't know how they make that distinction. You know, like probably you have to have some special licensing and show a bunch of work. And if a lady just shows up with a bag of bones, that's like not legal. Right. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. Pretty wild.
Starting point is 00:52:47 Yeah, maybe like a little sign or your back, your driver's license says, nope, you can have, you can have. and donate my bones to the Curio storm. You can have one of my ribs and two of my skull fragments. That's all you can tell. Right, exactly, yeah. Anyway, that's a fun story. Hey, we're going to take a break. When we come back, we're going to have Bobby here.
Starting point is 00:53:06 He's going to do a little science. And, you know, it's always good to learn. We're here to learn. Okay, everybody. Yeah. So be prepared for some learning. Before we do that, though, we're going to learn about a song, Brian brought. We're going to ease you into this Monday with some sweet, sweet indie in the middle.
Starting point is 00:53:21 This is a rising folk art, indie folk artist Evan Honor and Powerhouse vocalist Cameron Whitcomb. They're both on separate headlining tours around North America, but if you can imagine their paths intertwining, connecting, if you will, that would bring them together for this song right here, a brand new single called My Expense. They actually just met last year and quickly decided they'd be fun to make music together.
Starting point is 00:53:48 And they certainly have. This is just a single, not ahead of a new album, anything, but it's Evan Honer and Cameron Whitcomb with a song called My Expense. once I'll get dinners and lunches Because you gave me that chance But you've been distant It makes sense You need space I'll give it
Starting point is 00:54:37 I note that job It got to stress If you want it or listen Well now I'm stuck with the check And for months that I regret A first glass in a diamond ring I'm drowning in your dead I'm fucked up, I'm depressed,
Starting point is 00:54:58 Pay no mind to the money spent Well she don't mean a single thing she says And it's all at my expense Offer excuses Convin' myself That you're only human You don't have to call me back It's getting clearer
Starting point is 00:55:31 As time goes on It's all smoking mirrors Why did you give me the chance We were distant It makes sense I should have seen it coming It was me Had you stressed
Starting point is 00:55:52 You always planned on running No Now I'm stuck with a check And for months I regret A first glass seat a diamond ring I'm drowning in your death I'm fucked up
Starting point is 00:56:09 I'm depressed Pay no mind till the money's spent But she don't need A single thing she says And it's all at my expense You can give the change Because it's all you need
Starting point is 00:56:26 You can't need it You can keep the same Because I'm not here You're going to need it You're going to need Now I'm stuck with a check And for months that I regret A first class seeded a diamond ring
Starting point is 00:56:50 And I'm drowning in your dead I'm fucked up, I'm depressed Pay no mind to the money spent But she don't mean a single thing she said And it's all in my expense You can keep the change because I know you needed it. Yeah, I know you needed it. You can keep the change because I know you needed it.
Starting point is 00:57:19 Yeah, I know you needed it anyway. you give out very little sugar with your pronouncements while i sat there watching you i gave some thought to stealing a kiss though you are very young and sick and unattractive to boot but now i have a mind to give you five or six good licks with my belt i could use the lend of a needle and thread on a hot meal time? That is. Evan Honor and Cameron Whitcomb with a brand new single that they joined forces on. They Voltroned together to create this song, My Expense. Go check them out today. Separately on their tours. Yeah. I guess they, but they both can perform it, right? That's the deal. Right. Yeah. Why not? Yeah, I guess not. I mean, I guess it doesn't, unless you got some
Starting point is 00:58:28 big beef with your, like the Pink Floyd guys all have beef where they can't play some songs and right, right. You have to have a fight, I guess. Obviously, Daryl Hall and John Oates, big, big battle over who could perform what in concert between the two of them. So, yeah, big, big mustachioed beef going on between those two. That's right. Although, I think, didn't he shave that? Didn't Oates shave his mustache? He did years ago, and he looks, he looks so weird without it.
Starting point is 00:58:56 I don't like it. It looks like Baba Booy without it. Yeah, it's not a good look last time I saw it. It's not great. No, no. All right. Bobby time. Yep.
Starting point is 00:59:05 I'm going to add him to the call. I guess he's got the goatee going right now. So he's got the mustache and beard going right now. Oh, all right. Well, that's an improvement probably. I don't know. Better. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:14 Yeah. Let's do some science, y'all. Science. Bob is hungry and the soup looks good. It sure does. Bobby Frankenberger all the way from South Carolina, his own self. That's two of them today that we've had on the show, him and Dunaway. joins us now for a little science talk.
Starting point is 00:59:31 Bobby, welcome back to the program. How are you, sir? I'm doing well. How are the two of y'all? Well, you know, yeah, pretty good. I mean, I'm looking forward to seeing you in person soon. Yeah. Watching you record a podcast live two weeks from today.
Starting point is 00:59:48 Yeah. I'll show you. I'll show you how it's done recording a podcast. Oh, good. Oh, finally. Oh, my gosh. And show you bring a soundboard and show us how one of those work, too. Was the line from Devorak?
Starting point is 01:00:01 Yeah. Oh, they'll bring that. They'll show you how to operate a soundboard. Yeah. He's still, I don't think knows, so he needs to come to us. Devorak, you've been summoned. But no, that's great. I'm excited to hear you and Tom and everybody do their thing, you know?
Starting point is 01:00:15 It's always us up here yapping on the TMS mic, but to hear you guys do it at a TMS event is even cooler. So I'm looking forward to it. Playing some mini golf two weeks from today as well and getting all that going. That's going to be fantastic. I'm excited. It's good day to have you here, though.
Starting point is 01:00:31 Let's talk about some science before it all falls apart. yeah before everything falls apart um i think we're in the middle of that happening uh but you know who knows yeah the um you guys hear about the dire wolves oh yeah no no i just you mentioned that asking me about it but i i have not heard anything about this story i'm surprised i'm surprised because it's been all over the news if you certainly if you gross okay so you know if i did maybe maybe it'd be yeah relevant to me yeah certainly if you paid attention to the science news, you definitely have heard it before, but I'm surprised because it's been
Starting point is 01:01:08 everywhere I look, I've been hearing about the dire wolves. Let me explain what I'm talking about since obviously, Brian, you said you hadn't heard it. This company, colossal biosciences, which you may recognize that name, because they're the ones that keep talking about how they're going to
Starting point is 01:01:24 try and bring back the woolly mammoth. And if you heard, did you, do you remember hearing about the woolly mice? Yes, we talked about it here. I think we did a brief story on that here. Yeah, that was colossal biosciences as well. They were doing sort of a proof of concept trying to take the genes that apparently were supposedly make the wooliness on a woolly mammoth.
Starting point is 01:01:51 And they put that into some mice to see what would happen. See if they could get the mice to, and they were very cute mice, very cute. Oh, they're always cute. Furry or not, bald mice, mice with half their heads missing, whatever, two eyes, three eyes. eyes, four eyes. We don't care. We like mice. They're cute. We're fine with minds. So, colossal biosciences. I don't know if that was a question
Starting point is 01:02:11 about whether or not you guys like mice, but I'm glad you clarified. Sure. I'm using one right now. Yeah. But they genetically engineered some gray wolf DNA to, according to them, and that's what the discussion is going to be about.
Starting point is 01:02:27 I think mostly, if I guess, what them will be today is allegedly they de-extincted the dire wolf now did they or didn't they that's that's a discussion we can have but I want to get I mean my my understanding okay so this is how I received this news it came in a giant blast one day of they revived the long extinct dire wolf that was the story definitely didn't revive it because it was not a dead animal well brought it brought it back via you know kind of Jurassic Park styles what it was the initial blast And then the follow-up blast was, don't believe what you read. They just use some aspects of the DNA and put it in with a current brand of wolf, brand, breed of wolf. And they're calling them dire wolves, but really they're not. They're just now sharing some of their DNA, right?
Starting point is 01:03:19 I think the discussion to be had is a little bit more nuanced than that. But you're right. And that's the typical cycle you see with science news and then science communicator follow. follow-up is you'll see a company who's doing some science stuff or maybe even a science outlet who will do a big press release, a big blast saying, look at this exciting thing that we're doing and they'll either oversell it or they'll misrepresent it or something like that. And then you'll see that all over the place. And then a day or two later, maybe even the same day, but soon after, you'll get a huge blast of science communicators like a lot of popular ones. People like Hank Green was all over this, for example. Oh, yeah. And they saying, like trying to, trying to do damage control in terms of what the what the what the what actually is going on right right um and that's not necessarily to tear people down or anything but but uh when you i don't know there's you want to you want to properly represent what is happening so what did they do i'll tell you what they did uh we'll talk about the facts and then we'll we'll talk about the
Starting point is 01:04:26 details uh basically they genetically engineered gray wolf DNA they took I took gray wolf DNA and inserted dire wolf segments. First, first aside, did you know, did you know that a dire wolf was actually a real thing? I didn't until, if you would have, if I would have seen the story, I would have said, wait, wasn't that like a Dungeons and Dragons thing at first? That's exactly, you know, became part of every RPG or World Warcraft or every other video game since. Yes, I can't believe I'm, I can't believe I'm saying this. I cannot believe I'm saying this. I knew they were real before all this. How do I know that?
Starting point is 01:05:03 And all of my smarter friends don't know that. That I don't understand. There's a lot of knowledge. There's a lot of knowledge. That's where actually the surprises that you think that your friends are smarter. Sure. I knew that they were there around before, whether or not they, you know, they got nearly as big as Game of Thrones portrayed them as and things like that or, you know, whether they were great familiars. I mean, those are all, that's all pretty fictional.
Starting point is 01:05:27 But I knew that the wolves themselves existed. they were pretty big a dire wolf was uh they existed about somewhere between 125,000 and 10,000 years ago and they were about 20% larger than a gray wolf gray wolves are pretty big so a 20% larger than a gray wolf is pretty big yeah so they were pretty big but what what colossal biosciences did is they they took gray wolf DNA and they identified um they took 14 genes from dire wolves and they and they inserted it into 20 loci what that's just basically locations of gene locations on the on the genome and they inserted these 14 genes into 20 different locations and made a genetically modified DNA strand they then emptied out an egg cell from a from a wolf and I think it was a wolf I don't want to say that for sure it's possible that it was a dog because they used a dog surrogate to birth these puppies, these pups. You know what I love that? Somebody's casually listening and they heard you say wolf egg and they all now think that wolves come from eggs.
Starting point is 01:06:43 Sure. Because they're not really listening. Yeah, yeah. They're not thinking about like, you know, internal, you know, human egg type eggs. They're thinking like, oh, wait a minute, dire wolves had it. Like they just sit on the eggs. Yeah, exactly. bunnies come from eggs, wolves too. Sure. This is all true. By the way, the bunny egg or the egg egg? Right, right. Who knows?
Starting point is 01:07:04 By the way, height-wise, I just something I found here. Dyer wolf versus human versus wolf versus saber tooth. These are the comparisons. The dire wolf is this middle green one. It is just about as tall as a saber tooth, not as big or as long, but just about as tall, which means right up to this average human's waist, a little higher maybe. And regular wolves are more like a dog. down there. So anyway, just to answer
Starting point is 01:07:27 that question before. Very close to how they're represented on Game of Thrones, size lies. That's true. That's true. Yeah. So they emptied out this cell. They inserted the genetically modified DNA and then they put that into a dog surrogate and then they birthed
Starting point is 01:07:43 some animals. Back about, I think around six months ago back last year, two male pups were born. They named them Romulus and Remus which is a reference to the the mythological origin of the city of Rome
Starting point is 01:07:59 if you know Romulus and Remus were brothers that were raised by dire wolves according to the mythology and then they had one female pup that was born three months ago and named it Calisi which is an obvious reference to
Starting point is 01:08:15 Game of Thrones or the Song of Ice and Fire which annoyed me a little bit I don't like that she doesn't have anything to do with the die of wolves. Exactly yeah why not one of the Starks who actually Yeah, why not call it, I guess John Snow is boring, but Brand would good. Brand's good, why not? Well, I was a female pup, but you've got female starks, plenty of them.
Starting point is 01:08:35 Are you? Call it Aria. It's easy. Not a problem. No problem at all. In fact, what was the mom's name? I liked her. Caitlin.
Starting point is 01:08:44 Caitlin Stark. Caitlin, yeah. Caitlin the wolf. You give it to the dragon. You're not hatching dragons from your eggs. Exactly. Yeah. Hors shit.
Starting point is 01:08:55 it. Anyway. So, a little bit about dire wolves. I said they were born. Not they were born, but the dire wolf actual species lived around 125 to 10,000 years ago. It went extinct about 10,000 or 11.5,000 years ago in what was called the quaternary extinction. It was the same extinction that killed off. You mentioned the saber tooth tiger. Killed off the saber, a bunch of large mammals, like we call megafauna.
Starting point is 01:09:22 They died around this time. the saber-tooth tiger, the woolly mammoth, which is also something colossal bioscience is trying to bring back, and then this, the dire wolf. And so, yeah, they brought it back. The question everybody's asking is, did they de-extinct anything?
Starting point is 01:09:40 Is this true? What they're claiming that they did, is it true? And I think it's a, I think it's complicated. The conversation is complicated, because what does it mean to de-extinct something? What does it mean to for something to go extinct? at all, what does it mean to be a species
Starting point is 01:09:56 even? And if you bring something like this back, does it fully qualify as what you're saying it is? Right. Is it really a dire wolf or is it a just a gray wolf plus? Deluxe. A gray wolf deluxe. I actually think that's
Starting point is 01:10:12 the easiest question to answer because that comes down to the numbers is, you can look at it genetically. Oh, like percentage match, DNA percentage match or something. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. So the gray wolf and the dire wolf. So again, to clarify, what they did was
Starting point is 01:10:27 they took modern grey wolf DNA and they inserted into some spots in that DNA or they replaced dire wolf DNA for certain parts of the gray wolf DNA. Grey wolves and dire wolves share about
Starting point is 01:10:45 99.5% of their DNA, which sounds like a lot and it is, but to put it into perspective, we share somewhere between like 98 and 99% of our DNA with chimpanzee. Yeah, chimps and us are real close, right? Yeah, and we're clearly very different. Yeah, that's what that few percentages makes a massive difference apparently.
Starting point is 01:11:08 Yeah, and the reason I bring that up is because just these, these 20 different genetic swaps did not bring, even though they're 99.5% different only, it certainly did not make these pups genetic. identical to dire wolves all right so they're not sure they're not genetically identical to dire wolves but does that matter i don't know um the uh you could at i think it's easy to say that they're at the very least hybrids of dire wolves and gray wolves right i wish they were hybrids of apes and dire wolves that'd be cool like this thing oh gosh dire apes dire apes yeah i'd be into that they would definitely look something werewolf like, wouldn't make sure.
Starting point is 01:11:54 Right. Let's cover the planet with a bunch of those. I think we'll all be fine. Oh yeah. It'd be no problem. Playing God that way, it's fine.
Starting point is 01:12:01 We'll be great. Yeah, we'll totally survive the uprising of dire apes. So that's one of the definite, that's one way you can define a species is that it's genetically different enough to be a species.
Starting point is 01:12:14 But that's not really an adequate, I don't think definition, a complete definition of a species. Because there's some things that are very close together genetically that you would call different species there are certain bears that are different species
Starting point is 01:12:30 polar bears and black bears but they're probably pretty close yeah one of the or polar bears and grizzly bears or brown bears you know all these different bears and one of the reasons that we call these different bears different species is because they are geographically
Starting point is 01:12:46 so far apart that they don't that they don't make offspring because that's another definition of species is that you have two animals or things that are not able
Starting point is 01:13:02 to reproduce. Either they don't reproduce they can't reproduce or if they do reproduce they don't make viable offspring. That's another way to define space. And in this case, geographically speaking, never the twain shall meet. You're not going to have like a polar bear wander down to the Rocky Mountains and have sex with a
Starting point is 01:13:17 freaking grizzly bear. Anyway. Those two are never going to see each other, right? Yeah, I don't know how far the range is, but I, my understanding is no, that you wouldn't like, why would. A spotted bear would be cool, though, like a dark bear, but with like big white, like spots. The Dalmatian spots or a Holstein cow kind of spots. Yeah, I mean, that's a, that's a bear I could get behind. You'd kill me still, but.
Starting point is 01:13:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just don't get in front of it. No, behind it's fine. Always be behind, never in front. Anyway, sorry, Bobby. no that's all right another way so genetically
Starting point is 01:13:55 if you look at the genes of these different types of species they sometimes are very very different sometimes they're kind of different but there's another there's other ways you can you can look at and think about a species one of them is morphologically
Starting point is 01:14:08 morphology is the way the physical like way an animal is built you know does its skeleton look very different does it have a tail does it not have a tail what does its body look like um so animals that are morphologically different you might think are are different species but that's not an adequate way to look at species either because yes you can look at a bear and you know uh an ant eater and you can say
Starting point is 01:14:36 they're very different they're clearly right yeah um but look at um look at a chihuahua and a pit bull or just like even in dogs, there are very morphologically very large morphological differences in dogs. And those dogs are not different species of dogs. They're all part of the same species. They're just different. I don't even know if they qualify as subspecies. I'm not super I'm not really good at like taxonomy.
Starting point is 01:15:14 I mean, they call it breeds, but breeds is kind of a loose term, right? It doesn't have much... Yeah, yeah. We call them breed, but that's more of a human... Order, the phylum, like the whole taxonomy, yeah. Yeah. So if you had, like, we got this Weimeriner in the house,
Starting point is 01:15:32 and we have like a tiny little Italian greyhound mixed with a menpin. Those two, but they're both girls, but let's just say one was capable of carrying the other's offspring. Probably not going to be viable puppies, maybe. but there are like take a chihuahua and a pit bull you don't see a lot of chihuahua pit bull crossover do you it's not very common and I'm not sure why that would be other than maybe
Starting point is 01:15:56 that's the level of incompatibility you're talking about no I think they probably would be compatible in terms of being able to make offspring even viable offspring because they're incredibly close genetically they're the same species right the reason you don't see them is because why do we breed dogs the way that we breed them is because we're looking for desirable traits. So if they
Starting point is 01:16:18 don't share traits that we want to mix for our own vanity reasons. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Then we're not going to breed them. But I don't think that there's any problem with a chihuahua and a Y Moraner, except for like, you know, logistics. They might need some
Starting point is 01:16:34 help. Right. Exactly. The actual act might leave a few things to be desired if you're the dog on the receiving end. But, yeah, no, that makes sense. I guess, so then this would be more like ape dog. Like a chimp had relations with a with a, with a, with a, whimeriner.
Starting point is 01:16:55 And now you got a ape or a rhiner, right? Yeah. Or I'm a monkey. You're trying to come up with an example of two animals that breed and make a non-viable offspring. And we, there's an easy, a mule is, is the example. A horse and a donkey breed, and they make. a mule which is not viable so horses and donkeys are different species I didn't know that that's crazy I had no idea yeah yeah yeah you can't reproduce right you can't like you can't mate two mules
Starting point is 01:17:26 and get another mule you still have to go yeah I didn't know any of this I thought mules oh I guess we are the smarter friends Bobby but like figured it out you're right if you have a well hold on let me understand this so you a mule when somebody says I'm I'm going across the valley with a mule in a cart or whatever that mule's not going to have babies or cannot
Starting point is 01:17:54 reproduced I didn't freaking know that the poor damn things what are we doing there I think the reason that they were that means it can have all the sex at once and not have to worry about getting breakers
Starting point is 01:18:06 I think the reason that they were bred together by people is because I don't know what traits, but there are some traits in a horse and some traits in a donkey that they wanted to combine to make them a really good nature. Yeah, right, exactly. Okay, wild. I didn't know that
Starting point is 01:18:24 about mules. I'll remember that next time. So do drug mules, you don't have to be asexual or have no reproductive organs if you're a drug mule, right? That's just a person with a bag up their butt. Right, right, exactly. It's just Clint East one. All right. This is making sure I got that right.
Starting point is 01:18:40 I just haven't seen the But he doesn't put a bag of drugs up his bum. No, no, I don't think he does. But he is the titular mule as far as I know. I haven't seen the movie either. But as far as I understand, uh, go ahead. Make more make money. Uh, I couldn't.
Starting point is 01:19:01 I lost count. Did you put four up there or five? That's amazing. You're feeling lucky. Yeah. Exactly. Anyway. Sorry.
Starting point is 01:19:11 But yeah. So, so that's, uh, That's the, and the reason that they don't create genetic, like, viable offspring typically has to do with, for genetic reasons. So that, that sort of touches on the genetic difference between a species. But there's also, like, behaviorally, you can define a different species behaviorally. How does it behave differently than different animals? And then another one, and this definition of a species is important for the discussion that colossal bioscience is causing is another way to define a species is, does it fill? an ecological niche
Starting point is 01:19:44 somewhere in the world like does it if you remove it from an from an environment from an ecosystem what what did it
Starting point is 01:19:56 what purpose did it serve and is it was it the thing that was serving a purpose in the environment is it going to cause changes in that ecosystem by removing it
Starting point is 01:20:07 most of the time right usually the answers yes yeah most of time usually the answers yes yeah when do we're also very humans have been historically, maybe we're better at it now, but historically we're pretty bad at knowing
Starting point is 01:20:17 when that's a problem or isn't or when, not even just removing things, but introducing things to ecosystems and then everything is all. I think usually, it's not that we're bad at knowing, it's that we just don't ever think about it, right? Like we just do it before we think about it.
Starting point is 01:20:33 Or that we didn't know at all. Like, we know now, but back when, you know, we were introducing you know, animals into to different islands or something like that to either farm or or solve some kind of problem. We just didn't know that enough about ecosystems and how they work to be able to predict that that was going to be a problem. But sometimes you're right, that's happened before where one animal was brought in and caused a problem.
Starting point is 01:21:06 so then we brought in another animal to solve that problem, which that new animal causes another problem, and it's challenging to solve those issues. You got like one dead, you know, you caught, well, usually you see this happen a lot with trees and plants too, right?
Starting point is 01:21:22 They bring a thing that's not an indigenous. They plant it, and they're like, oh shit, that strangles the roots of the thing next to it. Well, what's bringing these bugs because we know those eat them? Uh-oh, turns out those eat corn. It's like, we're so dumb with that stuff sometimes. The human equivalent of the woman who's swallowed a fly
Starting point is 01:21:37 basically we keep adding to it until you know she's humanity is the or I guess the animal kingdom is the ecosystem is the lady right yes I hope she'll die or I guess she'll die or however it goes I don't hope she'll die but maybe she'll die
Starting point is 01:21:54 the reason that perhaps perhaps she'll die there you go the reason that the ecological question is is I think the most interesting one to part of the conversation to have in terms of what's going on with colossal biosciences is because that's
Starting point is 01:22:10 what they're claiming that they're trying to do. I know that they make a lot of flashy announcements and everything saying, oh, we're going to bring back the woolly mammoth. We brought back the dire wolf and all this kind of stuff, but what they're claiming
Starting point is 01:22:26 that they want to do and what they're claiming that they the technology that they're working on. Because there was a lot of really amazing science that went into making these animals whether you call them a dire wolf or not right what they did there's a lot of really cool science that went into but this gets you notice this gets you investment this gets you grants this get you people paying attention because you're claiming you're claiming maybe slightly
Starting point is 01:22:53 incorrectly that you're you've brought back the dire wolf but the subtext is well not really but here's what we did and it was amazing and please give us your grant money right yeah it's it's yeah absolutely there i don't think it's i don't think anybody like it's no secret why they're selling it the way that they're selling it because they're going to get more attention more publicity more money
Starting point is 01:23:14 all that kind of stuff but what they're trying what they're claiming that they're trying to do is that their pitch is this hey we humans are on the world and we're causing things to go extinct or we're
Starting point is 01:23:28 threatening extinction of a lot of animals and when those things go extinct when humans historically have have caused things to go extinct it leaves a niche that is no longer filled and it and it changes that ecosystem what we want to do and this is them saying this what we want to do is
Starting point is 01:23:52 create a technology that allows us to create an animal that has the proper characteristics what if we could create maybe it's not the exact animal anymore but maybe it's something that has the right characteristics that the other the animal that when extinct had that allows it to fill that niche in the same way that that extinct animal did and it can save the collapse of that like it can rescue that ecosystem and prevent it from collapsing what if we could do that that's what they're claiming to be able to do now that's the starting point i think for these big large conversations that need to be had um that that none of us here i'm sure
Starting point is 01:24:33 Except for maybe Scott who's smarter than the rest of us. Just on dire wolves. Just on dire wolves. All the rest of it, freaking forget it. You got any mule questions? I got no answers under mules. Right. Mules have brains because...
Starting point is 01:24:47 And that's what we need to figure out is, is this the right way to go about it? Or is this just a vanity project? Or are we... Is it real advances in science? Is it really? Yeah. And again, a lot of the technology that's going into this is real stuff that we're learning and very interesting in its own right. But they're talking about a biodiversity crisis, which is definitely happening.
Starting point is 01:25:17 Things are going extinct. You know, I'm sure you've heard before the talk that we're living through the next big mass extinction and that it's human caused, right? I didn't know that, but great, terrific. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to add to your file of existential dread. I know, exactly. You know, the good news is there's no more room. No more room to add to my existential dread. It's that thermos is full.
Starting point is 01:25:45 Yeah. But yeah, that's, and so it's a biodiversity crisis that we're dealing with right now, and they're saying we can develop a technology that has solved this. I don't know the answer to that question. My gut tells me that this is not the right way to handle a biodiversity crisis. instead the right way to handle it is to stop causing things to go extinct yeah that'd be good maybe we do that yeah
Starting point is 01:26:08 um but maybe maybe they're what they're doing creates you know like like we can hope and pray all we want that we'll stop making things go extinct but maybe they're betting on perhaps a more realistic outcome that we're not going to stop
Starting point is 01:26:26 making things go extinct and they want to come up with some way to to at least help. Maybe their solution is not a one, a single solution. They're just creating a tool that will be able to be used 50 or 100 years down the line when we're going to have to start figuring out how to do this. If I had to guess, or if I were to try to be as generous and optimistic as possible about what they're doing, because I think there's, I think there are plenty of people out there
Starting point is 01:26:56 talking about why what they're doing is not great. Um, and I agree with a lot of the people that are saying that. But if I'm to be as optimistic and generous as possible, I would say that, that they're, the technology, they're, they're going to make it so that any new species that go extinct, we will have tools for how to minimize and mitigate the impact that that has on the ecosystem in which that animal lived. and that what they're doing a help. I don't think what they're currently publicizing and telling everyone that they're doing is probably what's actually a good useful use of this technology, which is bringing back the thylacine, which is the, you know, the thylacine is just a sort of a weird tiger animal out in Australia that wouldn't extinct.
Starting point is 01:27:55 Or the dodo, they're talking about bringing back to dodo. Everybody loves the dodo. Why not the dodo? You know, we don't... But they're talking about doing that. But again, my thought is, these animals, the woolly mammoth especially and the dire wolf especially, they, the ecosystems they were a part of have already changed. They're not the same ecosystem anymore.
Starting point is 01:28:18 Bringing it back, these dire wolves that were made, they're not going to, if no one's going to, or they shouldn't, let them put them out into the wild because they're going to They're going to eat the things that the, maybe the existing wolves rely on. Or they die because this doesn't necessarily make a dominant species of wolf. It could just mean they go out there and don't know what they have to do in an environment they didn't live in. Yeah. Can we find out maybe the dire wolves eat woolly mice? And then we kind of create the solution to the problem that we create.
Starting point is 01:28:50 Yeah. That's why they call themselves colossal. They got colossal F up if they. That's right. What were those, um, yeah, on Star Trek, the, the, the tribles, the, the tribles, yeah, that's what the woolly mice remind me of. So they could be a solution to the tribles problem. We know how that went. Real quick, Rufus DeCat in the chat says, I want my Liger, Napoleon Dynamite knew it was possible.
Starting point is 01:29:11 That literally happened. And that reference in that movie is the Lager that was at the Hogle Zoo, our local zoo. And when I was a kid, I saw this thing. It was a living, breathing beast. It's now stuffed and still there. You can go see it. When it died, they taxidermy. And now it's still there and there's a whole thing about it.
Starting point is 01:29:28 But it was this rare time where a tiger and a lion got it on and created a hybrid, which is extremely rare. They don't really mix. Yeah. I don't, obviously it doesn't have a big application here where we're talking about entire ecosystems and, you know, the ongoing of certain species or whatever. But I saw a Liger and it was weird as shit. Yeah, that's actually an example like the mule of two species that are able to breed,
Starting point is 01:29:54 but they make non-viable offspring. Right. As far as I know, the liger is not able to, is not viable to make offspring. And it had no other Ligers to cuddle with. But, yeah, the point is even if you made another one, they couldn't do it. They couldn't interbreed. Now, if you got a Liger and a mule together, though. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:17 Oh, the possibilities are endless. The muleger. Muger. A muger. Yeah, the muleger. Well, this is fascinating. interesting stuff and also some good clarity on the story that's been floating around.
Starting point is 01:30:28 Yeah, for sure. Kind of been all over the place on this thing, but interesting stuff nonetheless. My guess is we'll probably talk about these guys in the future. It seems like they're they definitely want to be in the... You just can't get away from colossal biosciences. They're all over. They keep popping up over and over again
Starting point is 01:30:42 doing interesting things or troubling things. Depends on how you look at it. Just the name just feels like a science fiction horror movie company. Like it just feels like. Or they should be the bad guys in a video game. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:56 Yeah. Right. Right. Exactly. A subsidiary of Umbrella Corporation. Yeah. Umbrella Corporation. Umbrella Academy is the whole different thing.
Starting point is 01:31:06 Very different thing. One other thing I was going to say about this was what, Bobby. It was the thing I was going to say. I can't remember. One more Tiger thing. I can't remember. So instead of saying that, I will say you have a podcast called All Around Science. And it covers this stuff and way more all the time with your co-host
Starting point is 01:31:23 Maura. We're going to get to find out. I can't wait to meet Mora in Vegas. It's really great. It's exciting. Mora is a fantastic person. You'll love meeting her. She's great. I'm looking forward to that. Anyway, tell us more about the show, where it can be found, all that fun stuff.
Starting point is 01:31:39 Yep. Our podcast is called All Around Science, and we just talk about science stuff that we're interested in talking about. It's sort of, you know, whatever. We always try to cover something from the news, and then And then you sometimes more than one thing, but something from the news and something that we're just really interested in. We just talked about in this episode that just came out today, we were talking about open label placebos and whether or not there was a piece of research that came out that some researchers were trying to test open label placebos and whether or not they're an effective treatment.
Starting point is 01:32:17 And I had some things to say about that. You know what an open label placebo is? ask you, what's that mean? Open label. It's where you give a placebo which a placebo is just nothing, right? It's has no active ingredients. Whatever, sure. Yeah. So it's a, it's a, it's fake.
Starting point is 01:32:33 But an open label placebo is when you give someone a placebo and you tell them that it's a placebo. Oh, well then it's not a placebo anymore. Yeah, how does it? Well, that's sort of hints at what my thought is. I have some problems with this research. Yeah. Yeah, I have some problems with the research and what was happening. But we talk all about that.
Starting point is 01:32:51 on this episode that just came out today. So check it out all around a science. Go check it out, you guys. That's good stuff. Actually, I want to hear that one because I need to know more about it. That seems insane to me. Well, it's a placebo. It's only a placebo until people know it isn't.
Starting point is 01:33:04 And then it isn't a placebo anymore. Weird. That's right. Blind taste test, but go ahead and take your blinds off and see which one you like better. Yeah, there you go. Bobby, have a fantastic time. We're going to have one more of these, right, before Vegas? No, I don't think so.
Starting point is 01:33:20 Oh, no, no, we won't. Right. You're right. One more, yeah, Stephen Schlecker next week and then Vargas. Oh, yeah. On the Monday I would have been on, instead of watching me on YouTube, you can watch me in person if you're in Vegas. Yeah. You'll be in that canyon room or whatever it's called.
Starting point is 01:33:36 Yes. Canyonero room. Bobby, have a fantastic time. I can't wait to see it. Stay safe. And your wife's coming again this year, right? Your wife coming? Yes.
Starting point is 01:33:45 Very excited. We love Stephanie. She is great. He's the best. Too many Stephanies, though. We got like four Stephanie's. now. What are we going to do? That's why we have one of them
Starting point is 01:33:55 just go, who hates mobile games? And then she'll put her hand up and then go, okay, that's not the Stephanie we're looking for. All right, see you later. All right, we did it with Bobby. That means it's time for us to do it with the final moments of the show. And a couple things. Monday show today at 1 p.m. Mountain Time. It's new time. Every Monday at 1.
Starting point is 01:34:13 And play retro at 4 with Brian Dunaway and myself, as we mentioned earlier. So if you're looking forward to those, all that's up at the schedule. frogpants.com slash schedule and we'd love to have you live if not all the podcasts are there so get them how you want it um oh one note this isn't done yet so it will be you know what maybe about tomorrow i can give them a link but um i'm going to give tms deserves its own youtube home in terms of like oh i've been hearing you doing this with a few of your shows yeah yeah core cor's up now in that way we're just getting started with all of it but core play retro we're
Starting point is 01:34:49 going to get through on YouTube channels. There's a whole bunch of reasons. I won't get into them here, but the TMS deserves its own thing. So that will be happening soon. I should have a link tomorrow. In fact, I think it's already set up. It just isn't public. And then we'll need about a thousand subs over there just to get it.
Starting point is 01:35:05 So we have all the features we want to post longer form and all that. So more on that soon, probably in the next day or so. Maybe would I be able to post stuff then? 100%. 100%. That's the whole idea. I don't want to make it. We'll have editors.
Starting point is 01:35:20 We'll have editors, which means you get editor status. We can give it to some of our guests if they want. Like, Bobby's got some cool science thing he wants to post up there. He totally can. Like, just want to make it a little bit more of a, you know, if you come to us for the podcast, it's all, nothing changes. It's all good. Everything's the same as it always is.
Starting point is 01:35:38 But this will just be a better sort of home for video stuff and content. So watch for that. All right. That's going to do it for today. Brian, you got anything else before we go? I got nothing else. Obviously, TMS Vegas prep has taken over my ability to spend any time developing the Redon Aerolite.
Starting point is 01:35:59 My goal still is to have at least a mock-up or a first one done before TMS Vegas. So hopefully another live stream where I refine this object even further. And it just looks like the best way to do it is as two pieces. Sure. And not as trying to do it all as well. So we want to make the best red-on-air light possible for you, the red-on-air listener. Yes, the red-on-air listener. We're thinking of you first.
Starting point is 01:36:28 You're thinking of you first. Claire said, are they splitting up the Discord? No, it's all staying there. So this YouTube thing has nothing to do with that. That's my whole point is nothing really changes for most of you, including live stuff. We do live stuff the way we do it. But where the content sits, where we might put up extras, junk like that, We're giving its own focus.
Starting point is 01:36:49 So no stress. Don't change your lifestyle around us. We're all good. All right. Brian's play a song. Let's play a song. Yes. Michael from Edmonton wrote in.
Starting point is 01:36:58 I'm so going to miss Michael. Free Monster. This, this. Oh, they're the best, man. They are. And the two of them just, like every time the two of them walked into the room, just smiles and having a great time. And Amanda and Michael, and you brought, they brought me some fantastic, or a gin,
Starting point is 01:37:17 which we just finished up. That's gin you don't mix with stuff. That is gin. You kind of just drink straight, the Asoka, Asoka, Jen. Anyway, Michael wrote in and said, Hey, Scott, Brian, and the whole TMS community. Michael from Edmonton here,
Starting point is 01:37:30 sometimes Freemonster in the chat. April 14th, today is my 41st rotation around the sun. Look, you little youngster. Just like wine. Just like a little kid still, man. You're little. Totally is, yeah. Just like wine, scotch, and I guess cheese.
Starting point is 01:37:46 I get better with age. Since you have hooked me into the show Paradise, I was hoping to request, We Built This City by Aaron Wright and Jill Andrews for a song. This was the version, I think, that they played, if I remember correctly, on the show, as the ending song cover for an episode. If not, let's see, the covermaster feels
Starting point is 01:38:07 to be perfect in the background, D&D Tavern. Thank you for all the years of fun, joy, and laughs. Amanda and I will miss you all in Vegas this year. Cheers, Free Monster. Well, Yeah, you're not going to miss us nearly as much as we're going to miss you. So, I'm sorry, and hopefully, 2026 will be the year that we get to see you again. And until then, maybe we'll move to Edmonton.
Starting point is 01:38:33 Who knows? I don't know. Anyway, let's play this right here. Released all the way back in 2014, but again, I think was used as the cover for that episode. Paradise, here are Aaron Wright and Jill Andrews and a very mellow version of, we built this city. We built this city of rock and rock. Say you don't know me or recognize my face.
Starting point is 01:39:07 Say you don't care who goes to that kind of place. blood sinking in your fire. Too many runaways leading up the night. Barcone plays the number. Listen to the radio. Don't you remember? We built this city. city we've built this city on rock and roll someone's always playing corporation games who cares they're always changing corporation games we just want to dance
Starting point is 01:40:16 Someone stole the stage They called us irresponsible Run us off the page My Coney plays the mountain Listen to the radio Don't you remember We built this city We built this city on rock and road
Starting point is 01:40:52 We built this city on rock and roll We built this city We built this city on rock and roll We built this city We built this city on rock and roll We built this city We built this city on rock and roll This city
Starting point is 01:41:23 We built this city on rock and roll Hello, I'm a tailor, and your pants size is frog. You're always welcome at frogpants.com. And I'm addicted to coffee in a month.

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