The Morning Stream - TMS 2834: Generative Passive Aggression

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

I don't trust people with pits. Skeeters in Your Mouth. Style Advice With Wendi. Rare XL. Toddlers Cheat at Mini Golf. You have to break that skin in. I can definitely see why you ate it! Demo Grape. Match the Hanger With the Plane. I've got a pair of nostrils! Lightly Salted Porupine. I Forgot That Didn't Happen. The Grapes I Snatch. Dr. Gerry Sounds Like a Real Doctor. Teaching the Littles the Dirty Words and more on this episode of The Morning Stream.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Coming up on the morning stream, I don't trust, I don't trust people with pits. Skeeters in your mouth. Style advice with Wendy. Rare Excel. Oh, toddlers cheat at minigolf. You have to break that skin in. I can definitely see why you ate it.

Demo grape. Match the hanger with the plane. I got a pair of nostrils. Lightly salted porcupine. I forgot that didn't happen. The grapes I snatch. Dr. Jerry sounds like a real doctor. Teaching the littles, the dirty words, and more on this episode of the morning stream.

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Welcome to TMS. It is Thursday, January 5th, 2025. I am Scott Johnson. That is Brian Abbott. Good morning. Yes, it is. Hello there. It is indeed.

We have many fives today. We have, well, we don't have five, five, 25. But we have, we have six, five, 25. Six, five, 25, yeah. Yeah, it sounds like measurements. I would like a man. I'd like him to be six five and 25. Yeah.

Yeah. I think we can work that out. That'd be great. Sure, sure. Hey, everybody. We're here. We got a lot of stuff to cover today. We got my sister later.

We got, you know, a bunch of things. It's a fun Thursday, fun Thursday planned. and you're here to have fun with us. Okay, so just sit back and relax, especially you live, folks. It's nice to see this group of distracting freaks. It is. Yes. Come here every day.

I'm not going to bite. Yeah. No biting. Don't dangle that carrot in front of me in the chat room, folks, because I ain't biting. There you go. Hey, you ever take a six and a three-year-old mini golfing? Is that a thing you've done? I definitely have not done that.

Well, you know, I take that back. When my nieces, my nieces were about that difference. in ages when teen and I, when George started dating their mom. So maybe I did, but, boy, yeah, yeah. But it's been a long time. I don't remember it. Well, yesterday this happened with Van and Phoebe, and I got to tell you, that is a riot. If you can do this sort of thing and not go too crazy with, you know, siblings who were kind of my turn, my turn, that kind of thing.

It was so much fun. And we have the most amazing video of Phoebe just cheating her way through mini golf. she doesn't understand. Does she do the hockey thing? Like basically where she's just pushing the ball into the cup? 100%. What you have in your head is exactly what she did. And so it was a lot of like two hands and going and then like doing it forward and then bumping it five times in between shots.

And then I don't know, six or seven and then saying I win and things like that. And you're just like, yeah, you win. Good job. You're doing great. Super, super fun though. But don't go in there expecting the rules to be adhered to. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

No. You're not going there saying, okay, what did you shoot on that one, five? Okay, how about you, Phoebe? Did you do three? I think that was a three. You kind of hit that ball twice. Yeah. Their mother's going to be a little mad, though, I think, because I think we didn't put

enough sunscreen on them. Oh, no. It was an outdoor one, and we got a little son, a little son, son, son. Yeah, it happens. You have to do that eventually. You got to break that skin in. Yeah, yeah. She tries really hard to keep that down, but, you know.

Of course. Smartly, too, because we got a, you know, history in my family, There's some skin cancer, so it'll be careful. Definitely not something you want to get wrong, but... No, but do you do the best you can, and then you go out. It happens, yeah. Well, speaking of ailment, you had a headache all night, and you said you had a theory as to why, maybe? I did.

Well, so yesterday after the show, I had to race up to Boulder to meet my client for lunch and ate some delicious Indian food. It was a buffet, but, you know, you had your teakamasa and your panir sag and your non-dean, I'm not going to say non-bred, because non is bread. Uh-huh. Do you have any of that tendery? Butter chicken? Butter chicken?

I think I did, but they didn't call it buttered chicken. It was some other name, but it was definitely, it was definitely butter chicken style. I love buttered chicken. A layer of basmati rice underneath everything. And, uh, even though it was a buffet, Scott, and I could have had all I wanted to eat. Yeah. Because of the, you know, the bike thing. I'm, I'm being good.

And I just had one serving and said, There we go. Done. Nicely done. I'm impressed. I would have a hard time with that. I don't think I could do it. It was tough.

It was very tough. So I had the meeting with them, came back down to Arvada, and said, I need to get a bike ride in before the rain comes. The clouds were starting to pull up over the mountains and build, and you know that you've only got, you know, the ticking time bomb is coming. Sure. So because I've been concerned. concerned about the training ride Saturday, I knew I needed to do a training ride, training ride. A ride to train me for the training ride on Saturday. And my big, you know, not dilemma, but something that we noticed when we looked at that,

the elevation of the training ride is that it's like, a little bit of downhill and then like up a big hill where you get a thousand feet of elevation gain in about eight miles. 10 miles. Yeah. It's a lot. It's a lot of uphill. It's a lot of uphill and it's steady uphill. So I asked myself, all right, well, what do I, what areas around here do I know I can get that kind of hill?

Now, there's right by the house, we have a reservoir. And one of the rides I like to do is counterclockwise around the reservoir because you've got big hill, level off, big hill, level off, big hill, level off. Big hill, level off, and then a huge downhill at the end that comes all the way back home. It's a good way to break that up, usually. It is. But if you go around clockwise, it's basically big hill and then downhill, level off, downhill, level off, downhill, level off. And I looked at the elevation and like, all right, this actually looks like it's going to be pretty close.

So that's exactly what I did. It hopped on the bike, and I did the, it's always really intimidating the counter, I'm sorry, the clockwise, right around the reservoir because because of it's these huge switchbacks that seem to go on forever and they're, you know, it's all an increase in grade and you're just going back and forth. But I'm proud to say that that I didn't even have to drop into the lowest gear on the bike. I was able to do it without succumbing to, nope, got to go on the lowest gear. So I'm feeling pretty good about the ride. But once I got to the top and I started doing that, you know, downhill level off.

I'm going pretty fast. I'm going between 18 and 24 miles per hour. And I'm going through cloud after cloud after cloud of mosquitoes. Oh, shit. Just constant mosquitoes. And... We have them right now bad, too. What is that about right now?

I don't know. I mean, we've had a lot of rain, so there's a lot of standing water for them to, you know... Probably that. To lay their eggs and hatch and stuff, which I'm sure is a big, part of it. And I basically, you know, I've got my glasses, but I've, you know, I've got a pair of nostrils and I've got a mouth. And sometimes, you know, after writing, it's like I'm breathing through my mouth to catch my breath. Nope, not with this. I was like, like, you know, squinching my, the lower half of my face trying to keep my nose as tightly shut and my mouth as tightly shut as

possible. Like only letting in just enough oxygen to to keep me alive basically. Yeah. Otherwise, you're breathing in a bunch of malaria corpses. Oh my God. And I'm thinking West Niles, Zika, who knows what, you know, these little shits are. I don't

trust those little bastards. No, nor should you. It was you know, of the 10 mile ride that I did, 9 and a half mile ride that I did, the first uphill, four and a half miles all the downhill constant mosquitoes

almost the whole way home was constant mosquitoes and they're ricocheting off me and there's you know some of them are probably going down my shirt or into the holes of my helmet and biting me there and stuff so I'm wondering if my headache was

me getting some sort of like some weird mosquito virus or something could have been also could be just you trying to unusually regulate your breathing trying not to suck them in that could be enough to easily could be could be that too yeah oh man that's that is a lot yeah probably i there's nothing worse than a headache you can't explain i freaking i know i know hate it hate it hate it hate it hate it but i'm glad you're feeling better this morning we almost had a we almost had it down brian you know almost had it down brine down brian down brian man down wait brian man down bike man down i like that yeah well uh anyway

I'm glad you're doing good. Yeah. We have another hot take on the grocery grazers from Jeff. I love it. I think we almost need to start another podcast, just specifically about grocery grazing. Sure feels like it. This is what we got from Jeff. He says, hey, sketchy and bites.

That's a fun way to start this since we just talked about mosquitoes. Says, I have a question about the grocery grazers. How is this not stealing, he says? If you take an item to checkout, but for whatever reason, no money on your card, no cash, the store machines are down, you aren't allowed to keep it. how does that not or sorry how does that work for food you've eaten you can't give back the grapes that are making their way through your large intestine i mean i think they'd be making their way through your small first but anyway well probably at that point still in your stomach probably uh unless those are some speedy ass grapes yeah entirely possible i suppose but maybe you're you're not getting good grapes if that's happening anyway says if you've ever been at a checkout and i'm able to pay it's embarrassing but irreversible i would feel extra terrible if i could and give back what I already consumed. I have no problem with needing something to gnaw on while you shop. Just pay for it first.

Yeah, yeah. It's a situation where, like, it's going to be such a rare occurrence that you get to the checkout. And no money in your car, no cash, stores, machines are down, whatever the potential problem is that grapes, for whatever reason, don't bother me as much as those other things that we talked about, like the, you know, hork in the, the, um, the, um, the, uh, whipped cream out of the can, the ready whip and, and stuff like that. I think Dr. Nicky said that she and her mom, when they go shopping, they hate, uh, hate shopping. Uh, they get where they grab a baguette and just started eating the whole baguette while they're, while they're shopping. Yeah, a little bread never

hurt nobody. Yeah, exactly. So, like Monica says, coverville, have you ever gone over the speed limit it's the same it's not the same it's not the same because there's not the same there's not even the same physics it's the same in a general sense of we you know as you say we all break the rules but it's not the same in that um uh there's you know there's the the stuff that you may eat that maybe doesn't you don't or maybe your kid eats that you maybe don't realize they've eaten and you put it back on the shelf on the on the on the uh the thing without buying It's a little, it's a little like saying, I slapped a guy's hand. I mean, okay, murder, because we all break the rules.

Well, that's what I was going to say. It's like, you murder a guy or you slap him on the hand. There's no difference. Of course, there's a difference. Yeah, exactly. This is not the same crime wave. Exactly. Different category of crime, I think.

Yeah, I get his point, though. I think that it is up to a little bit of interpretation, though. Clearly, I think it is because we've been talking about it. I think so. But I still say that grapes are the easy exception to the rule. Yeah, you want to, it's the one thing where you can sample something without opening a package. See if it's going to be okay for you to buy. And it's, you know, it's not sour, not overly sweet, not tart, whatever.

Right. You have a grape. All right, yep, this is a good bunch. And then you buy the bag. Yeah, you need to have a way to know you're a good shopper that you bought the good stuff. Exactly. And even if it's one where you have to weigh it, one grape, one half-ounce grape is not going to change the price of it, you know, dramatically where you're taking money from the store. I do wish there was a way to better know if the watermelon you're about to buy other than, you know, people have their methods of thumping and all that. And that works. And Kim does it. It works. We get good watermelon. We had a great one yesterday. But you don't really know until you get home. No, those are, and those are more of a crapshoot.

Like, at least they have the watermelons that are cut open, cut in half, and you can see the, they've got plastic wrap over it, so you can see how red it is and that sort of thing. Sure. You know. Don't get them if they're mushy. Don't get them if they're mushy. Or kind of overly red means they're going to be, yeah,

that is kind of been sitting around for a while. Dr. Calhoun says, Scott and Brian, is it okay? So it's okay to pirate games to try them out. beforehand. I'd equate the grapes to more of a demo than pirating. Yeah, it's a demo grape. You're not taking all the grapes. No. You're getting a demo. You don't eat a bunch of grapes and go, you know what, I've eaten this whole bunch of grapes. I didn't like them there for. I'm not paying for them. Right. You don't do that. And you know, I give it more like you're streaming an album before you decide if you're going to buy it or not. There you go. Yeah. I like that.

Or, or. It's a victimless crime. The grape growers of America would like to call in and tell us how wrong we are. But I'm not opening a bag of Oreos at the store, taking one out and saying, okay, yep, I like these. Or, nope, I don't want these. Give me the Post Malone ones over there. If grapes were sealed, we wouldn't be able to do what we're talking about. Right, exactly, yes.

I don't think, and I don't think. And it's really the only, like, it's kind of the only thing in the produce section where you're really going to do that. I mean, there's, of course, all your rind of fruit, you're not going to pry open an orange and say, oh this is good the bags of clementines or something um but even like you know the ones that do come in smaller portions like your green beans or or things like that you're not going to pop one open and taste it and say all right these are some good green beans yeah we're not doing that so so look we're going to do our best everybody i know this is a controversial thing yeah you're all going to continue arguing about it for right exactly exactly oh yeah cherries actually Q star that's a good

point. Cherries, those usually are kind of on the, aren't they more loose and you kind of just grab handfuls and put them in the bag and then weigh them? I think you weigh those more, yeah. I'm sure there's probably some pre-packaged thing, but that's a, that's a tougher one because you're not guaranteeing that the cherry that you eat is going to be part of the same cluster that's going to tell you how good the other cherries are. Yeah, plus exactly, it's not going to be indicative of the rest of the cherries. whereas the grape is. I don't even know if really eating a grape tells you how good the other grapes are going to be. I mean, it's not a hundred percent, but it's closer because you're on the same vine.

You're on the same vine. But we've had those bunches where you get to the bottom of the bunch and there's like the weird little, I'm almost a raisin grape. Plus, I don't trust people with pits. So when you try a cherry. People with pits? Yeah. So well, it depends on the people. Oh, I just say, you don't trust shoppers to deal with pits and not choke or something. Exactly. Or spit it out somewhere, then I'm going to step on it. Oh, yeah, good point. Yeah. What are you going to do with the pit? Yeah. Whereas, you know, seedless grapes. It's kind of a, again, victimless crime. Yeah. All right. Maybe still a crime, a very minor one. It's not, I don't know. I, it clearly if it was as big, if it was a huge deal, you'd hear about grocery stores, guys at, swarm, swarm, Schroger.

Right. An old lady took a grape. Get in there, quick. Stop her now. Like, that's not happening. Totally. Yeah. So it'll all be fun. You know, go by from farmers markets anyway. Don't go to big corporation grocery stores. Go to your farmer's markets. It's borderline summertime. It's end of spring, beginning of summer. Every weekend, you've probably got a farmer's market near you. They will let you taste a plum and say, yep, I'll buy a bunch of those plums.

That's the best part about farmers markets is they want you to taste the things. Exactly. If your mouth is open and you're not careful, they will shove their fruit in your mouth. It's a crime if you don't taste their fruit. You're insulting them if you don't. Yeah, who wants that? on their record. What about those big-ass grapes?

You know, you've had those before where they're like almost a small plum. They're so big. I like those. I'll admit it. I'll eat those. In fact, there's really hardly a grape I don't like. The only kind I'm not sure of is those genetically modified ones that taste like

cotton candy. Have you had those before? Yeah, yeah. That just feels like I'm doing something against nature. Exactly. That's definitely a situation of you decided that you could. but you didn't ask if you should or whatever the phrase is. Yeah, we're messing with stuff we can't control.

Yeah. So don't do that. Cotton candy. Let's see. What else? There's another thing that I was going to respond to that somebody brought up in the chat. Oh, no, they didn't bring it up. Red grapes, not as much a fan of the red grapes as I am in the green.

Agreed. Especially the ones with the little tiny seeds that are just enough to be irritating, but if you swallow one, you're not going to die. That is a grape that is not committing to whatever bit it wants to be. Exactly. Be a seed or don't be a seed. But yeah, quit this. Cut it out.

Pussy foot and around in between. I like the dark purple ones that are seedless. I don't know what those are called. Those are really good. Yeah. Yeah. Those are the ones I base all my grape, my grape desires on are those. Yeah.

Anyway, hey, speaking of things where we might need a doctor to help us, Dr. Tolbert wrote in about that ham and I thing yesterday. Oh, yeah. Good. Let's hear it. Yeah, for sure. We're going to play this. Hammond, I think, is in the chat. He is. I saw him there earlier.

Awesome. Hammond, this is for you as well. So here you go. Let's enjoy. Good morning, jents, your friendly neighborhood family doc swinging by to answer your questions from the four June episode about Hammond Chamberlain's swollen red eye. Unfortunately, what happened to Hammond is something called a subconjunctival hemorrhage, which is just a fancy way of saying that a blood vessel between the conjunctiva, the outer layer

of the eye that covers everything, including the inside of the eyelids, and the sclera of the eye, the white part of the eye, ruptured. A small blood vessel broke, and it bled into the space between those two different layers. Luckily for Hammond, it's not anything dangerous or bad, and it oftentimes doesn't even affect vision. In fact, for most patients, they don't even know they've had it until they look in the mirror and see it. So the good news is, over the next couple of weeks, it should reabsorb and shouldn't cause them any troubles. But there can be some complications from those types of hemorrhages, especially if you notice any bleeding down into the iris part of the eye, which is something called a Haiphima. That's a lot more concerning.

So if there's blood just in the white part of the eye, usually not an issue. don't even have to see a doctor for it, but if you start having vision problems or difficulty seeing, seeing double, any other changes in your vision that are new, especially after noticing the blood, then you definitely want to get that checked out. And you can start with primary care or an urgent care, but absolutely an ophthalmologist would be somewhere down the chain if things were more complex or difficult. Hope that helps. And if you need anything else, don't hesitate to page me. So there you go. There's the word on the street. Yeah. Yeah. I, you know, the old wives tale in me, the urban legend in me wants to say,

Well, you know why that happened? It's because Hammond sneezes like this. Hey! Hey! You know, and he holds in the sneeze? Like, when I sneeze, it is like, it is earth-shattering. I scare the cat. I scare Tina.

I'm like, oh, yeah. I hear about it from neighbors sometimes. I'm so low. Yeah. I do the same thing. I feel like that's a healthy way to sneeze. If you try to hold it in, what are you doing to yourself? Yeah.

Are you trying to fool people to thinking that you don't sneeze? Yeah. I think you're more likely to pee yourself later on in life. it all comes down to the bladder yeah everything's about you know continents and uh working toward a better bladder situation yep yeah anyway let those let those sneezes fly cover your mouth when you sneeze by the way oh hell yeah um but uh but yeah cover you know but but sneeze apparently there's some nasty new COVID variant that is really easy to catch coming out of California there's cases in California yeah so everybody be careful I'm going to Vegas at the end of the month that's a nice little place between me and California which probably means means, you know, just got to be a little cautious. I mean, it is the, if there's a disease anywhere in the country, the first place that's going is Vegas. Probably, yeah, because you've got so many, like, travelers from Asia and, like, everybody

from California and, like, all your coastal stuff just, like, feeds in there, and they're all close together, and they're all blown on each other. I don't know how that place isn't just always shut down, but, you know, maybe it's keeping us healthy in the long run. I don't know. Right. Thank you, Dr. Tolbert, for your eye advice. Yes. Love his call-ins too. It's great microphone, great audio quality. It's like, you know, it's a...

He's like a pro. It's like the guest that we don't have live, but he sounds like he's here live because it's so good. Exactly right. BioCow, aka Preston, or it's the other way around, Preston, aka BioCow. I mean, really, an AKA is just, you know, it goes both ways. Does it? Can it go both ways? Yeah. So if I'm Scooter and then I say Scott, aka Scooter, or Scooter, aka Scott, that's okay, your way? Yeah, Coverville, a.k.a. Brian Ibit, aka Coverville, also known as. It's not like a known more, more famously as. It's just a... That's good to know. I always thought it was that. I thought it was a known more famously as. Or an FCA formerly known as. No, it's just as also known as. I'm never going to have to think about that again. I like it. There you go. Good. You don't have to worry about the order of your A.KAs. Indeed. Here's what BioCow says about art stuff and particular things you and I do that inspire him.

And I think this is a funny call because, well, we'll get to it. Here we go. Thanks, Mojin Blend. It's BioCal. I was calling to ask your permission for something. I've realized that I've been watching you guys for years. You are amazing artists and everything you do. But by watching you create art, whether it be drawings or 3D printed models and things like that, your art influences me indirectly.

And it might bleed over into my art. For example, Scott, I saw you do this. shading technique one time and procreate, thanks for that recommendation, and I use it now. But I'm just realizing that it's definitely going to find its way into my art, and I need to get your permission before I continue making art in the future. So do I have your permission, please, to make art that is likely going to be influenced by you? And as I say that, I'm realizing I should probably send an email to Jim Davis and Gary Larson. And do either of you know anyone at the Charles Schultz estate? This list is going to get long. All right. I

I interviewed Charles Schultz's sister once, so I guess I'd have that connection. But, yeah, you don't have to ask for any of that. This is all like the way this works. Influence is free for all, free to share. AI saying, I'm going to take a piece of column A and a piece of column B and a piece of column C and make something new. That's a different thing than influence. Yeah, and we love hearing that people get ideas. That's great.

And that's, where do you think we're getting it? Like, half of my inspiration as a kid came from the Gary Larson's of the world and the Mort Druckers of the world and these guys who had just massive impacts. Not so much Bill Keene. Less Bill Keene. Less Bill Keene. I wasn't super into Bill Keene, but, you know, I had these influences. BC was a big one.

Don Martin. Don Martin was big, like a lot of mad stuff in general. Yeah, yeah. So what am I going to, you know, what are you going to do? It is just what it is. And, you know, you inspire us with, with cool web ideas. Software, cool, yeah, exactly.

All the time. So, yeah, I wouldn't worry about it. You don't need permission for anything. Run away with it. In fact, I think it's awesome that you saw me do some shading technique and decided you would like to do it. That's great.

That means you're paying attention. That means you're learning. That's right. It's great. And learning is half the battle. Go, Joe. That's right, Joe. Hey, one more thing.

Brian, you got a little something about your training ride. We talked to some. Oh, did we already talk about it? Yeah, we were talking about that. Yeah, that was the. Was that pre-show? or on the main show? No, that was during main show.

That was me talking about the mosquitoes going in the mouth. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that went places. I know, it's been a while. We talked about, had a big grape discussion, a lot of eyeballs, and... Yeah, it feels like days have passed since I heard about your ride. That's insane. All right. Got to go on another one today, too. Oh, fun. Was it, what are you doing right after the show, or...

Yeah, yeah. It's another day where we're in this stage in Colorado, and I think you probably get the same thing because of the, being in the Valley, is that you get into this springtime cycle of days are beautiful, early afternoon, gorgeous, and then the clouds come in and it rains until the evening and then, you know, then the lather rinse repeat for the next days, like several days. Sure. That's what we get here right now is the, if you want to ride your bike and not be in the rain, get it done before two. Yeah.

Early June is basically what it used to be May for us, And that's very similar weather patterns. It's very strange. Like last night was like downright cold. Yeah. But the day before that we were burning up. Like it's just and then there's rain and then there's not and then there's clouds and then there's not. And the super clear valley, you're like, this is a perfect day.

And the wind is so bad. It's like so weird. Yeah. But then it'll all settle into some real dark heat come July. So that'll be fine. For sure. All right, you guys. Let's do a little bit of news.

Let's get some news done. It's time for the news and it's brought to you by. Brought to you by Coverville. Today, happening a little bit later, because of the aforementioned bike ride, look for Coverville to start up around three. I know that's going to be right in the middle of the six-hour core megathon. But, you know, if you need to take a break, or you just, you know, you don't like video games. Crazy.

Entirely possible, sure. Yeah. Then I'm going to be doing music today celebrating 40 years ago. So in June 1985, we had a pretty incredible. collection of albums that came out. Hunting High and Low by AHA, the album that gave us Take On Me and the Sun Always Shines on TV. Brian Ferry's Boys and Girls, the first, I think his solo album after Roxy Music, or an early solo album. No, I guess the first solo album in seven years and the first since he had disbanded Roxy Music in 1983. There we go. Cupid and Psychi

85 by Scriti-Politi. If there are any Scriti-Politi fans out there, you know. Now, there's a name I've not heard in a long time. Little Creatures by the Talking Heads, you know, and she was and Road to Nowhere. Cory Hart's Boy in the Box, Worldwide Live Scorpions, crushed by orchestral maneuvers in the dark, Stings Dream of the Blue Turtles,

Mr. Ministers, Welcome to the Real World, Hart's debut, or not debut, a debut with Capitol Records after they left a lot. Electra, I think. Like, it was a great month for albums. Jeez. And I can't believe it's been that long, but also that seems a little shorter than I was thinking it was. In some cases, right?

Like, with some albums that don't age, not really don't age well, but they sound like a product for their time. Aha's first album. Sounds like a product of its time. If you tell me, take on me was 60, I would believe you. Right, exactly. But Stings Dream of the Blue Turtles. Free, free set. damn free, all that.

It, that doesn't feel like it's in any specific place in time. That is, it's kind of, it's got such a unique, um, uh, sound to it that doesn't say, oh yeah, this is purely an 80s album. Sure, sure. Um, or that. Oh, LC Knight says, you heard that the lead singer of aha has been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease. Oh, man. I didn't hear that.

Morton Harkett. God, what incredible voice on Morton Harkett. I did not hear about that. I don't like that at all. Stupid age, stupid time. Anyway, that'll be happening around three, so tune in for that. Be playing Marvel Snap with the new Morgan Le Fay deck. Some fun stuff happening with Morgan Le Fay and Merlin and a magic, a magic deck.

Nice. Very nice. Marvel's Merlin, everybody. Keep that stuff straight. Marvel's Merlin. Well, you know, Marvel has a Dracula. Marvel has a Merlin. It's still, you know, it is Merlin-like.

I love Marvel's versions of things. Thor is, you know, Marvel's Thor versus like the Thor's based on. Norse God. Yeah, Marvel was way bigger on that than... DC did it too, but Marvel seemed to do a lot of it. Yeah, they really co-opted a lot of it. It kind of did. To the point that now when people think...

You hear you say Thor, people's first thought is M.C.U. Thor. They don't think about the old school. The fact... Right. All right, here's a couple stories. Porcupine. You know, they're all pokey and the whatnot with the quills? Yeah, all pokey and sure. Well, this thing stowed away in a wrecked plane transported more than 500 miles.

Oh, wow. I realized it, yeah. So this didn't fly somewhere with like a bunch of people in it. Right. It was like put on the back of a hauler and driven across part of the country or something. Yeah. In this case, it was partly hovered with a helicopter, partly with a boat and then a giant trailer, like you said, like a hauler trailer. Oh, wow.

Okay. Wildlife rescuers in British Columbia are caring for a porcupine that stowed away in a wrecked plane for a trip via helicopter, boat and trailer, the Interior Wildlife Rehabilitation Society. said, it is frequently contacted and remove stowaway marmots from cars. I wonder why the, I don't know, porcupine on a plane, they say it's unique, but why would any animals? I guess they just like places that look like they could nest. Yeah, they just crawl into a nice little secure place where it doesn't feel threatened and just kind of go for a little nap or something, and then all of a sudden it gets picked up and hauled out.

Yeah. This reminds me of something for no good reason. because you said that and I was thinking when Rainer once hit inside something she shouldn't have and then I thought of something Phoebe did yesterday

so they're over here at the house and I hit my finger in the kitchen and I went I thought they were outside and I went I go damn it to shit is loud as I could

and I hear this tiny little little girl voice in the room go damn it to shit oh no it's the worst when they repeat oh geez so her mom will be happy with me

Anyway, whatever. She's got a potty mouth these days. It would have been great if she would have said that all during miniature golf. Every time she missed a put. Damn it to shit. Damn it to shit. Well, anyway, it says here, blah, da, da, da, blah, blah.

Oh, it was only once the record you've been unloaded to the company's flat deck in Kelowana. Colona. Colona? Colona. That's a weird way to spell Kelona, isn't it? I don't know. It looks Hawaiian.

I mean, if you're thinking of like the stuff that you spray on to smell good. It's a different Kelona. Oh, baby. But, yeah, is it, uh, Wisconsin? Where is that?

British Columbia? Yes, it's up in Canada somewhere. Okay. Colonna. It says, uh, they found it hiding underneath the pilot seat, which is just kind of funny. Uh,

with the help of our supporting veterinarians, we lightly sedated. Almost said salted. What's fantastic. I like my pokeypan, lightly salted peas. Braised on the back. Anyway,

intramuscular injection into the rear end. There's a little bum. Interior Wildlife set on social media. Then we pulled it out gently by the front arms a few minutes later. No quills shed. Safe for the humans involved and the animal itself, unquote. That's nice. Everybody won.

That's funny. I mean, you got to wonder what a porcupine thinks when it's getting a shot like. So this is what it feels like. Yeah, right? Because they don't know. They just know that this is what they do to other people and other animals is, stab them with their needles. It's like, oh, oh, wow, okay, this is

what it feels like when somebody... Well, it's a little like you never see your face unless it's in a mirror. It's like that. Right. Yes. I always think about that. You know what else I was thinking about yesterday? It didn't make me panic or anything.

But I just thought about how humans really have a very limited hole to breathe through. So it's really important that we get oxygen. It's important to everything we do. we have to breathe, the atmosphere has to be what it is, all this stuff. This is part of the way humans have evolved. We cannot just be plopped on the moon and expect to survive.

We must have the atmosphere and the environment that we have to breathe it in. Sure. We sure gave ourselves a tiny little tube for it. You know what I mean? I'm just saying. So it's both a small literal hole and a figurative hole. Like it's... Yeah.

I mean, you got three holes. We need a very small requirement. You got two nostrils. You got your mouth. But they both go down. same hole. So that tube, if that gets cut off, somebody wax it, cuts it, whatever, you're screwed. It's just such a limited, like, we ought to have like, I don't know, a couple other redundant. You know, we have two eyes. Like a backup hole. A backup hole that I can breathe through.

That you can breathe through. Like, if you needed to an emergency, you could breathe out your ears if you needed to. Sure. And you always see, like in doctor movies or whatever, there's an emergency, they stick a pen in somebody's throat. The tracheotomy. Yeah. But it's still your trachea. It's still the hole. It's the one. Right. So.

I always think of Radar, by the way, getting instructions from, uh, hot guy back at, uh, back at camp. Like, all right, radar, look for a, look for a ballpoint pen. What? Yeah. For whatever reason that is, that is like the, the go to one. It really is. Yeah. They had one in the pit.

They have, they have them in almost every medical show, but that's the one I go to is radar out there. And, and we had a trivia question on this the other day. And it was, you know, I guess, you know, I guess, got corrected technically it's the trachea but there's it's a strechaotomy or something like that it's not like a tracheotomy

there was a whole different name for it it was like oh that's what it's called when you put the let's see tracheotomy is the one we're talking about with radar right well but no it's apparently called something else that because they brought up the one in the pit and they brought up the one

on mash and it's like straight uh boy doctor dr tolbert maybe it's time for another uh paging dr tolbert paging dr tolbert streaked uh all we have is a doctor chattelotella there you go

I don't know but uh I have no idea I don't know what that's called but I always thought it was tracheotomy also uh the sometimes in these medical dramas and there's another fun one they always do where they take a straw or a pen and shove it shove it into somebody's chest because they're their lung collapsed

and now suddenly psh, it's coming out of there again. Like in the new Mission Impossible, a certain character has to have that done. Right, has to have that done. How real is that? I mean, when I pull it up on Wikipedia, it is the tracheanomy,

but we got corrected or not corrected, we had to come up with the other name. Prycothyronomy? Let's see. Mayo Clinic gives it. Yeah, there was some. Let's see if we can find this. Why is it done?

Bada-da-da. Yeah, they don't give me the other name for it. Yeah, I'm only seeing tracheotomy, and I thought there was some, like, there definitely was another name that we had to come up with that wasn't tracheotomy that I thought began with an S

and I'm not seeing it. Oh, look at this poor lady here. Their tracheotomy. That's the same one on the Wikipedia page. She just looks like, a little too happy about it, actually. Well, it's the, it's the, the planes going down,

but we all must remain calm like they put in the emergency guide on an airplane. You don't want people screaming on the images. It's like, yep, they're just putting a hole in my throat and jabbing a thing in there. I don't like the, I see instruments like this and I get very uncomfortable. I don't like this stuff at all. Right. Oh, yeah, no.

I don't want any of this shit anywhere in my throat. I don't want to have to have this done. I want to go through my whole life and die without this ever having to be a thing. Crike? Oh, LC Knight says, Crike sounds right, because it's called. a crike tube. Maybe that's what it is. That sounds familiar.

Suddenly, Craig sounds familiar. Crike. I'm going to do, I'm going to type crikeotomy. Maybe in the pit they said something like Craig. That might be it. Yes. I'm having, I'm having a flashback about that. Yeah. Anyway, all right. This will take, uh, oh,

stick around and watch two old guys Google stuff. Yeah, we like to do our own research here on the show and uh, sometimes it means real time. All right. That's how it works. Uh, here's the thing for those of you who don't like bees. Okay. This isn't just fishing for titles, I promise.

Yeah. In fact, let's play the official. Where's the bees? I mean, we don't play the original one enough. Here it is. I don't like bees. There we go. This is perfect for this article.

14 million honeybees have escaped. Oh, no. Yeah, they're on the loose now after a truck overturns by the U.S. Canada border. Too much fentanyl up there. gotta shut it down gotta close those borders they're just letting all the all the bees

we love bees we call them we call them bees we love the bees they provide lots of honey I don't like those African bees I don't like the Jerry Seinfeld bee the Jerry Seinfeld bee is not a good bee is a bad bee yours is getting better and better by the way

it's just cricothyroidomy by the way I found it oh we got it That is specifically when you put the, you know, it's a medical procedure, sometimes referred to as a cryotomy trachea or emergency tracheostomy involves making an incision through the skin and the chrycothyroid membrane and inserting a tube into the trachea to create an airway. Okay. So that part of the process is that. It is that. It is the procedure. So I don't know what the difference is between a chrycothyroidomy and a tracheotomy, but apparently it was enough of a difference that we had to, we had to adjust our trachyotomy. trivia answer. Well, may none of us ever have to have one done to ourselves? That's what I hope. Oh, here you go. Here's the difference. Cricothyroidomy is an emergency procedure, while tracheostomy is usually for long-term breathing assistance. So that lady, that very calm lady, that looked like she was going to have that tube in for the rest of her life is a tracheotomy. But radar, helping that dude, what's in the Jeep, with Hawkeye's help over the walkie-talkie was performing a cryothymie. This is great.

And they don't tell you that in MASH. They didn't get all specific bastards. Oh, you know, we didn't talk about how sad Loretta Swett passing away was. Oh, I know. Yeah. 87's in a wonderful age,

and I'm glad she got there and all that stuff. But that one really hit me. I don't know why. Really bothered me. I mean, she, you know, Alan Alda did a few other things, like quite a few other things.

But Loretta Swit, I always only ever connected with, with MASH. I don't know if she ever did like comedies or things where she played a different character because I don't remember every single red of sweat do anything but be

hot lips of a hand the Christmas parade or not Christmas parade what do you call it when the kids do a Christmas program pageant or something so I think it's called the Christmas pageant do you ever watch that?

No no yeah that was actually all right she was like a teacher or a mom or something and it's a really it's all super family focused like a thing you watch on TV but she was quite good in it

but there's just something about her arc on that show where she starts out as oh she's the hot lady everybody wants to make out with and she's a little two-dimensional and then if you listen to interviews and stuff she's primarily responsible for the evolution of that character into a more strong character it was such a great evolution like that episode i'll never forget the one where she's talking to nurse kelly did you ever once invite me in for a cup of coffee yeah

or a lousy stinking cup of coffee yeah that was a that was a big one that was a big one she's great she won an emmese and did amazing stuff so well deserved yeah i think that leaves Kramer, a Kramer, Klinger, um, radar. Is it still live, isn't it? Yep, Alan Alda, Klinger, radar, and of the main cast. I think they're the only ones. I think that's it, right? Really?

I guess I'd forgotten that Mike. Yeah, Mike, oh, Mike Farrell's alive, sorry. Mike Ferrell's alive, okay. BJ's alive, yeah, it's the other one. That's why I'd forgotten that because it didn't happen. Because it didn't happen, yeah. It's easy to forget stuff that didn't happen. Yeah.

Who played Trapper? I forgot his name. Yeah. McLean? McLean? No, that's... No, McLean Stevenson was Blake, Colonel Blake. And he died... Long time ago.

Long time ago. Yeah, so did Frank. Frank died in his 50s. Right. Smoker. Big time smoker. I can remember who played Trapper John? Wayne Rogers.

That's it. I was going to say, it sounds like this old school Hollywood name. Wayne Rogers presents... Lucky Strikes. Anyway, so yeah, we're down to like three. And then there were three Wow Anyway these bees

They're everywhere Watch out Don't die It was 70 By the way 70,000 pounds Of hives That's how heavy

These bees Really the bees Oh my God That's just the hives Yeah Which I assume Includes the weight of the bees I don't know

Bees away But that's just insane Yeah I guess Well I guess we're never going to use That road again That's done There it is

The greatest It belongs It belongs to the bees now. Elsie Knight with the hot facts today. The greatest Christmas pageant ever was what it was called.

Okay. 83 on TV. And it was right around the time the show ended. Nice. So, anyway, seek it out if you're in the family fair. Yeah.

All right, we're going to take a break when we come back from this break. My sister Wendy will be here. We are talking an email we got. I think it's a good one. So stick around for that. A little follow-up deal is what we've got.

Yeah, a little deal-y-o follow-up deal. I like those. But that'll be without we have to have a song. We can't do that. We have to have a song. You need, you basically, we just got to ease into the Therapy Thursday with some music. And we're going to get some music right now from the Chris White Experience. That's right, the Chris White Experience. This is, this guy's from London.

And this brand new album is called Volume 7 songwriter. It's got a very cool, bluesy vibe to it, which I really, really dig. Let's see. Anything else 60 years? he's the came to Prominus in the mid-60s as the bass guitarist and occasional lead

vocalist of the English rock band The Zombies so what's your name who's your daddy Oh I used to love that song Is he rich like me I still like that song

It's great It's a great song Anyway this is a song called Keep On Running Away Here is the Chris White experience Experience I used to know you was a heavy lady, but you can't keep changing. No free range. Keep on running away

I keep on right up chasing I saw you hiding in some funny places With your head up waiting It's all faking fun You keep running away Keep on running away I keep on right up chasing But if you slip away

You've got to keep away by moving fast I know that it won't last When I get up to you You're going to make me do it all again Oh yeah I saw you shifting like a lazy racer In your roadways, laces, going places fast, you keep running away, keep on running away, I keep on right up chasing. Right behind you now, I'm going to find out how you got this far.

I know who you are. When I get up to you, I'm going to make you do it all again. Do it all yet. Thank you. I'm going to be. I'm going to be. I'm going to be. I'm going to be.

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Very nice. I have to check that out. I like stuff like that. Yeah. All right, you guys. It's time for us to ping my sister and bring her in here and play her thing. Psychosomatic.

That boy needs therapy. Psychosomatic. That boy needs therapy. Lie down on the couch. It's too early for a fish sandwich. I keep forgetting I added that part. All right. Hey, look who it is.

It's my sister Wendy joining us. Hi, Wendy Dunford. Hi. Hello. I'm screwing up the sound again. No, you're on. Are you on, where are you at? You're on your computer or phone or what?

I am, but it won't let me use my, uh, yeah, it sounds like, it sounds like you're on some weird mic deal. Can't tell what that is. I'm not picking up my headphones. How about now? Now? Oh, I hear myself on you. I'm going to put no headphones. That boy needs therapy.

That boy needs Wendy needs help on our computer. I know. That girl needs Adam. Are you on maybe a different microphone than you think? Yeah, tap on the wall. Oh. I don't say punch it. Just tap on it.

Yeah, we lost you entirely. So she's probably switching. It sounds like she got a headset or something. Yeah, sounds like it. Which is totally fun. I'm not a very good one. No, I'm going to go ahead and pitch in to get her a new one. Yeah, sounds good.

We'll see what we can do there. Oh, hey, Preston, you're in the chat. Did you hear your call earlier? He did. He came in actually just as we were playing his calls. Oh, well, good. It was perfect timing. He was like, I just tuned in and I heard my voice.

I would have felt bad if we hadn't heard you. All right, well, while Wendy deals with things, we'll see what's going on here. I'm sure she'll figure this out. She's capable. She's, you know, she's a smart woman. She's all these things, you know. Right, exactly. She was raised in a pressure cooker where I chased her with a cold soldering iron and she lived.

I mean, she was born in a crossfire hurricane from what I hear. Another song I really like, actually. Oh, on in a crossfire hurricane. Let's see. What is she? Is she even blinking? No, she's not. Let me see if I can do anything from here.

Oh, she left. Oh, wow. So perhaps a rejoin is in her future, which is fine. She can do that, and we'll be happy to take it. In the meantime, I may pause things. Yes, I will. I will pause this. Wendy, you there?

Yeah, can you hear me? We can. A little still. a little weird, but it'll work. It'll be fine. Oh, my gosh. What is this clean feed? I don't like it. It's easy. It's something on your... You got some weird mic switcheroo going on. I don't know what it is. You know how it has, like, your name, and then it says headphones.

Yeah. But I'm trying, and it's just mad at me. Well, look, you're your mother's daughter, all right? That's a terrible joke. Hey, it's good to have you here, and this will absolutely work for our needs. We're going to talk about an email that we got. And this one came this week with not a whole lot of extra info, but I'm going to read what we got. Somebody named S.

And they say this, Dear Scott, Brian, and Wendy, this is Style again. Oh, I guess they gave us an Ngu. We'll call them S, but they're a real name. His style. I assume it's a nickname. But anyway, I previously wrote about my younger brother being The Scapegoat. Thank you for reading that email. It was surreal hearing you discussed my life, and I truly appreciated your thoughts.

I'm in the middle of three boys, 48, 47, me, and 41. She denied it completely, cut off relatives, and we dropped it out of fear that she would cut us off too. Our dad, our dad acknowledged it once and then never again. Our younger brother, dealing with a divorce, chose not to engage. Since then, we've built a relationship with John, but my mom still doesn't know or won't acknowledge him. And now this January, another half-brother has surfaced. His name is Chris. We've welcomed him, too, but we have.

haven't told our parents we're stuck i want my kids to grow up knowing that family matters all of it but there's fear uh that bringing this up could destroy what little contact we have with our parents i don't want to hurt anyone but i also can't ignore these new relationships what should we do thanks for listening so we've got a bunch of new family crop on up out of nowhere secret children that parents didn't talk about yeah yeah um and trying to manage that deal with that and do all that stuff sounds like he's got it sounds to me like style's got the healthiest possible perspective yeah toward this but um wendy where do you want to go how do you want to how do you want to attack well i yeah i'm remembering it kind of going back in my mind like when this previous

email was it was pretty chaotic and we were we were suspecting mom has some uh personality disorder kind of that's right yeah yeah i remember that yeah yeah so i'm going to guess without mom have treatment were still the same situation. Those things tend to just last. You know, they're sort of hard to treat and then they take a hot minute and a lot of folks just are like, I'm fine and keep cutting people off left and right and or having the same problems, right? So I'm just going to make that assumption. And so let's get to the core of what this person is actually asking they are saying well they're saying basically mom still has a lot of power in this family system to scare everyone or you know kind of be in the be in the middle even if people aren't

talking to her right like there's a lot of a lot of that going on and that is not not fun and so the question might be like all right how do I be authentic or be myself or be what's maybe the right word here and teaching my own family about what what matters or how to live with people or live without you know whatever sure um and guess what none of that is affected one bit by your mother you are going to teach that whether it's blood family or a family of choice neighbors friends whoever you know you bring into that circle you can teach them what matters i think the scary thing often in these dynamics is that what has been modeled to you has kind of messed

with your own definition whereas your kids only know what they know, right? So if I could ask a follow-up question from style, it would be like so how do your kids, what do they think? How much listening in have they done to what you guys think about?

You know, like are you guys talking crap about people and they're hearing you? So now they have those same opinions. You know, that's a challenge, I think sometimes happens. So I'd love to know more about just like what did your kids already think? And that's a great place to start. Sit down with them and ask them what they think family is and what matters because blood is, you know, and everyone's different. There's different like sort of microcultures

of this. But how someone treats you, I think, is a great definition of family. And sometimes having a switch of definition can really free people up to make choices to be around people that are healthy for them or not healthy for them, right? So I would check the kids first. Kids, when you talk to the kids, is there an age consideration here? Is there anything like that they have to worry about? Yeah, I'm guessing, let's look at the, he's 47, so at most, these kids are maybe up in the, could be in the 20s, all the way down to, they could be little kids, right? So that would matter.

That's a great, that's a great point. If they're smaller, you're just still teaching. You're like more indirect, you could ask, like, what do you think a family is? Or what's important to you about family? And you can just ask those kinds of questions. And then you could also do some teaching of just talking about love or treating each other well or, you know, any of that. And then if they're older, they can probably handle more. But you're really wanting to know, it's a little bit of like, you know, you think a kid understands and they don't necessarily.

So you want to check first. Like, just take their temperature. They might be like, I haven't thought about grandma in 20 years. What are you talking about? Or they may be like, oh, I'm so excited to have a half-uncle Chris or, you know, this is awesome and more the merrier you just need to check first what they're thinking if your core goal is to stop this generational stuff and to do a good model for your kids so that would be I would start there and I would worry very much less about those other things and more

about how that is going before I I because so often as parents we're sort of like what's in their best interest and we're making it up as we go and we're not checking with the stats yet like actually find out um what do you think we would do what would be our reaction at you and i and you know misha and everybody right now if suddenly we got news that mom had three love childs out of out of the marriage somewhere would we you know that's not how it works it's men have loved child oh well whatever that's true i was just thinking because mom's still around But let's say that we find out that dad had loved children we didn't know about. And they're all in their 40s and 50s now or something.

What would we, what do you think our reaction would be? I feel like we'd be able to handle it pretty well. I think we'd be like, sweet, more the merrier. Unless they're super weird, then we'd be like, we're not related to you that much. Yeah. No. I think it'd be fascinating. I mean, isn't this the era of, you know, getting your genetic testing and finding out all sorts of things?

You're like, oh, boy, you know. so this is not unheard of but um yeah he didn't say who the half siblings were from right no didn't get into whether it was like dad's side mom's side or multiple yeah sure mothers or one mother yeah yeah and now this January another half brother I know exactly yeah we got some stuff going on and I think I mean as I hear that I think again this idea and maybe this is um because I've experienced this and living in a lot of different places where I don't have family

is that the family, you can choose a family. You can create connections. And the nice thing about a chosen family is that you really don't have to spend every holiday with them. But you can. So there's some definite benefits.

I think friends giving is a fun extension of that of like taking something that was traditionally a family behavior or a family-owned. kind of dynamic and actually making it more enjoyable or whatever, right? So I think really thinking about how you want to be in a family and then making those decisions, checking in with your kids, seeing how they're feeling about things.

And then, because we have this same dynamic of what was the line here with, oh, we cut off and let's see, she denied it completely, cut off relatives and then we dropped it out of fear because she was going to cut us off too. Yeah. And this idea that she's the one that cuts out a family. And when you're at the risk of being cut out by your mother, right, that is a big, that's a big fear. That's a huge one. Yeah, I don't want to minimize that at all.

But how much energy goes into tiptoeing around them or sort of making, I don't know, the center of the family system, there is a way to move. away from that being the center of the family system. Typically, personality disorder folks are really central to family systems. And it's because they're the most chaotic. Like, think of, like, a series of people and you're like, who's the squeakiest wheel? And then everyone is noticing, aware, you know, making sure their needs are met. Some of the squeaking will stop. Right?

And it's always like the really sweet, quiet middle child who's just like, oh, let's take out the garbage while you guys, you know. And so, and that's, that's our guy, right? He's the middle child here. So the peacemaker and trying to make it right. So I would really think about your own definition, your own thing you want going on here, and have that be a focus.

And see what comes out of that thinking and those conversations and use that as the foundation rather than we're going to get whipped around based on mom's changing opinions or whatever Yeah and obviously

this is not simple I just can't get over the fact that style this person calling themselves style

is this forward thinking about it and saying well okay well I've got these these are people in our lives

we have to I'm not going to just not acknowledge it or pretend it didn't happen the way everyone else has

for all these years and I can't help but think that this is a huge head start to like a resolution because he can sort of head it up and it's funny you mentioned in the middle child and that is kind of the I don't know if the stereotype it's real but middle kids do tend to oftentimes uh you know they're quietly making sure stuff's okay in the in the middle of it all and it sounds like maybe he's that he's got that role here but um I don't know I can't I can't quite get past the idea that he's already half there because of this attitude he has and the rest of it is just about all right mom well we're gonna deal

with you or not and either way my kids are gonna understand this and exactly like he's he's kind of it sounds like he's able to compartmentalize this stuff and be like i can have my relationship with these kids and these other people and not are these siblings half siblings and not have to if he was younger he might have to get permission from from uh who's his family from his mom. Yeah, I think this would be so much harder to deal with in your teens or your 20s or 17, yeah, for sure. Any of that era, anything pre-30 would just seem like, oh my gosh, what?

And then you would just, it would distract from everything. But now you're in a more mature place, I think. I mean, it's harder because so many things are established. So you've, the relationship has got to be a lot. You're coming in while this person is in their 40s in their adult life, well into their adult life. So they've already established their relationships in there, who they are as a person for decades, as opposed to meeting them when they're young, and you kind of like learn, you grow together, so to speak.

Sure. It's such better news than some news you get, which is like, oh, no one talked about it, but 40 years ago, all your siblings were abused and you weren't, and now we have to do with that or whatever. It's more like, oh, you had some surprise siblings. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Off we go. Let's have some fun. And also, I mean, I'm remembering now, and I was rereading the first paragraph about that the younger brother was the scapegoat, and I'm remembering this idea of like, you know,

it's like the classic structure of a family, a dysfunction in a family, or an alcoholic family or various sort of versions of this where there's a scapego. And the scapegoats like the family truth teller, the one who's not willing. willing to play the game. And, you know, so this, this younger brother gets all the crap. And now the younger brother is dealing with the divorce and not engaging in this other stuff. So we've got their own struggles. And so that leads me to this idea, right? Okay, so your brother's the scapego. Then your brother is now getting divorced. I really like to ask people how you want to show up for others, how you wish others would show up for you. So often people will

complain like no one showed up for me or i learned who my real friends were because blah blah blah happened and and that is a everyone's going to pat your back online when you talk like that right but when you your therapist talks to you it and you find out like okay let's let's talk about what it is you how do you show up for others kind of that the hypocrisy of ourselves as humans which is just like well yeah i couldn't go help my friend at the funeral because you know i was busy but where was he for me You know, there's our self-centeredness little issue happening. And so I would ask that question in my series of questions I would want answered, which is,

how have you shown up for this little brother? And is there something there you want to tweak that feels better for you? Yeah. And then at the same token, you might be in a family system where no one shows up for you. So that would be my secondary question, depending on the case, right? Is like maybe it's that you do show up too much. maybe it's that you're giving and giving and giving, which I suspect might be more the case in this one.

But asking yourself, like, how do I want to show up for family, whatever that means, and then how do I have people in my life who are showing up for me, that there is this true support and connection as opposed to this sort of fraught, difficult obligation or dancing around, you know, walking on eggshells? And, you know, it feels all very exhausting. So often people will like, I'm just out of this family system. I can't do it, right?

Yeah. Hardly can blame them sometimes. No, exactly, exactly. But if you're going to stay and you're going to create that most healthy version, you're going to need boundaries. You're going to need to have really open conversations. You're going to need to look at your own stuff. Like what keeps getting activated in me that I feel so responsible. Right.

So it is not just a stereotype with middle children. part of it is that socialization of having to please an older sibling who has more power and a younger one who's crying and gets more attention or whatever, you know? Like how do you actually, has your brain develop around that, that nurturing? Never really thought about it, but it's almost like the stereotype of the oldest child and the stereotype of the youngest child are what build the middle one. Yeah. The middle one is a result of the other two being the thing we think they are.

I don't know. It's weird. Right. And there's, it's a little chicken in the egg, though, because my middle kid was born. He was five days old. And I was like, this is the best human baby ever born. He's so helpful and he's only five days old. And he has never not been the most middle child ever.

And it's weird because I saw it so early. So I was like, were you in the line for middle children because it fit you? Like, what is this? Yeah. He's the regional. He's the regional. manager for middle children. Right.

Right. Yeah. At a higher position. Yeah. And so that obligation or maybe the sensitivity that develops from that or the, you know, just the skill set or because I'm sure, you know, there's people could be like, I'm a middle child and I'm the hellian. You're like, okay, you do that. Or I'm the scapego. And scapegoats often just are a personality issue with the parent.

They get, the parent is triggered. It doesn't always have to be the youngest. that is not a like only youngest child thing. Sometimes the youngest child be the favorite and then the oldest is the scapego. That's always a fun dynamic. So some of it is identifying roles, seeing what's actually underneath all this.

And but I really, like if I could emphasize anything for style, it would be to take into consideration themselves maybe for once. Because you notice in none of these emails, it's about them. It isn't about them. So I've been doing this thing recently. This is maybe a jump off to anybody else, another email or something. But I've been working with sort of middle-aged folks, just generally, and asking this question.

I work a lot of college age and middle-age at the moment. Like, I'm getting these two, like, ends of the spectrum in a way. It's pretty interesting. Sure. And the middle-aged folks, it's like, I'll just say a version of, like, who are you? I mean, I don't make it weird, but I'm going, who are you, you know? and it is really difficult for them to say who they are without it being what role they play or what they do, right?

Especially in American culture and really boiling down to like the things that feel real and solid about themselves or that they like about themselves or things they enjoy or think about, you know, it's just like very core to who they are, that it's a real struggle for them to answer that. And then I'm working with college age students who are just like, who am I? And I'm like, okay, so people go 25, 30 years and don't figure out that question without a million roles, right? So it's pretty fun to do that kind of work with people and get them to, usually it's a bit of an existential crisis because they're like, I have nothing. I don't know. Right? So it's fun to kind of explore and figure that out.

And so I think about style here, the middle, middle age, you know, hitting all of, has kids. It's hitting all of the tick marks that I would want to ask this question. Is it easier for the, you were talking about how you talked to like college age kids as a different demographic? Do they answer that question differently? Yeah. Oh, 100%. Because they are developmentally exactly at the point where they're supposed to be figuring that out. Okay. right and so you take you take the like sweet cute kid with all the confidence and then he hits middle school and suddenly super self-conscious yeah that is developmentally normal and the brain activates and develops the the self-referential stuff that didn't exist before right and so 18 17 to 25 26 is the the developmental milestone of just like who am I and and am I capable and am I you know this is why college makes a lot of sense.

sense in this moment and this is where you know job training makes sense because you're developing towards what do I do and what's my competence and that's really powerful and and usually what happens is you develop the competence like I'm a veterinarian and that's how you identify because it gave you the competence and so it's it's fun to work with them when they're you know young and get them to do some of this work before their job takes over their identity. It'd be so much fun if you could travel through time and have somebody in their 20s answer this question and then jump to when they're 50

and ask the same question and see if it worked, see if it worked, you know? Yeah, and answering the question is one thing like measuring their sense of self measuring how much they understand themselves. I think that would be so cool. Why can't we jump through time? That would be awesome.

It's Brian knows all the reasons why. It won't work, though, because he's a big time travel guy. I study the time travel. I'm sorry. It just won't work. If you ever see a movie about time travel and you have questions, Brian will be there to help you. Just ask me.

I'll help you out. I'll let you know why it doesn't work, why it's broken. It sounds like I'm kidding, but I'm not kidding. He really knows. He's really good at this. So that's pretty wild. So in this particular case, it just seems like the mom part is kind of impenetrable at this point. Yeah. I would say, I mean, I don't have enough details, but I could make from an educated guess that if she can't have a, all she's got is cutting people off denial and we're all afraid she'll cut us off. We're probably pretty entrenched. I mean, I'm assuming her age is in the 60s or 70s. Probably, yeah.

I'm not saying people can't change. It's just certain people don't do what it takes to do that or, I mean, you try to imagine, I do this sometimes too. I try to imagine someone at some. stage like imagine if they'd gotten therapy 20 years ago yeah what a different trajectory this woman might have i read this crazy article and i don't know where it is now of this woman who was just incredibly physically abusive to her two daughters and went to therapy in her 60s and brought her daughter in to apologize for all of the abuse and she was like i wasn't even ready to hear the apology i was just like it's fine it's fine it's fine and tell she had to have her own journey of recovering from being, you know, viciously abused as a child. And this, and, but this woman in her 60s and 70s made it right, did all the hard work.

And I just think it gave them a chance at the end of their life to have a real relationship. It takes a lot of guts. And, you know, sometimes I, I have to remember, like, it sounds cool to get therapy now, but it didn't 20 years ago. It definitely didn't 40 years ago. Yeah. You know, and so to really work on yourself takes a lot of vulnerability and humility and and wanting a different outcome for your relationships,

you've got to do the work instead of just assuming everyone else is the problem. Yeah. That's that's part. But I like Stiles' attitude. And I like his style, too. I like his style and his attitude. I like Stile's style. He's styling is what he is.

Well, style as usual, give us some feedback, let us know how things go. He's always been great about that as well, and I'd love to hear how this stuff goes. Guys got a full plate. Got a lot going on. Yeah. This dude. So, yeah, good luck with all of it. Wendy, no better you.com.

It's a thing. It's a thing. Today's the day. Today's the day. Big meeting. Brian, have you already logged in and watched any of the classes or anything? Oh, no, I haven't. Didn't realize there was already classes to watch.

I thought that today was the first day with the live homework. This is clearly your problem, not my. No, I did not clarify that. No, you can, you log in right now. You can watch. They drop on Mondays. get them anytime after Monday. Cool.

So, but you're going to be there tonight? No. No, I'm not. But only because it's, I've got a movie scheduled tonight for, with a tadpuller. We're going to go see the new John Wick

spin-off. Ooh, nice. Okay, you can watch the recording. Those are, those I know I can watch on my own time as well. So I'll watch the other one this afternoon. I'll watch the Monday drop this afternoon

and then I'll catch up with the other one. I love it. Okay, I was thinking, I got to tell Brian in public if he's, I know. He's ready here. I know. I was ready for you to ask me, and that's what I was so quick with the, nope.

Nope. No, I love it. Yeah, it's going great. And, you know, we're first weekend, and it's, there's been some really fun moments already. Oh, good. Exciting. Yeah. I'm very excited.

I'm, I've already, thanks to Logan, already been using some of the stuff that we, that we kind of, the pre-time management stuff that we covered in one of the live workshops. groups. Okay. Yep, exactly. It's been great. That's awesome. Logan's great. We love Logan.

It's great. Yeah. It's going to be so fun. So, yes, thank you. He's not just the name of a town, a sleepy town up north where I live. Anyway, well, this is great. Wendy, always fun hanging with you for those at home or like when I want to learn more. Go to know better you.com.

That's no better and then the letter you.com and read all about it. You can be in line for the next time. This stuff falls or happens. Falls is in the right word. And it's K-N-O-W, by the way. What did I say? You didn't spell it, but K&RW. And I had an email recently.

They just made my day. Somebody was really struggling to get to sleep. Their partner was really having like whiplash with changing jobs and shifts and stuff. And so they downloaded the sleep guide and put it to use and fell asleep immediately that night. So if you need some sleep help, there's a free resource there and there's a free procrastination resource. So free stuff on the website as well. Fantastic. stuff go check it out it's windy dunford we'll see you next week all right bye bye her buzz went away

which was nice it did like about halfway through the call she was clear like her her network figured itself out i think what happened is networks find a way that sounded like someone leaning on the cable wrong or it was pulled out a little bit when she was leaning into like all the data wasn't getting through because the cable was pinched a little bit more like something's interfering like some power supply somewhere some shit was going on i hate stuff like that But it all worked out in the end. That's why you need those stupid little magnetic blocks, those magnetic cylinders. Oh, the ferrites, yeah.

Yeah, the ferrite. I love a good ferrite. I do. Yeah, they're great. Plus, it makes it so you can use that cable as a weapon if you need to. Yeah, yeah, that'll leave it mark. All right, hey, you guys, that's it for the show. Quick reminder, Coverville at three-ish or so, you figure.

That's right around the time. That's right, three. Yeah, we'll just shoot for three. Okay. I'll, that way, you know, if people, well, I just don't want to wait for him to say, okay, it's time. No, just plan on three. Just plan on three o'clock, you guys. It'll be right around the time Core takes a break, so it actually might be perfect if you're sick of Core at that point.

And maybe you won't be. I don't know, but Core happens today at 1 p.m. It is a big preview day. There's a couple things going on. Today is Switch to Launch Day, so we have some stories around that. And also, the big Games Fest kicks off tomorrow. Oh, right, yeah. And there was a PlayStation thing yesterday, and there's an Xbox thing on Sunday.

So it's like, it's like E3 replacement is happening right now. The PlayStation thing, the only thing I saw from that was, of course, it recommended it to me on YouTube because it's a Marvel thing. But a Marvel fighting game that kind of has a very Capcom feel to it, but has really cool character design. I'm not a big fighting games person, so I won't pick it up, but I kind of like the, the, um, The look is really cool. I can't remember what it's called. I think it's called Pragmata. It's a pragmata.

Oh, no, no, no, wait, hold on. It's a Capcom joint, right? Isn't a Capcom? I'm pretty sure it is, yeah. What do they call it? Shoot, you're right. I just have to get all cut up on this before one today because some of this I missed. Yeah.

But yeah, I think the new James Bond game looks insane. I'm mostly excited about that. Fighting souls, yeah. Fighting souls. Oh, I didn't see the James Bond game. Whoa, what? I mean, these are all, my only beef with yesterday's state. play is that almost all of these are

coming to everything. So they're not PlayStation exclusives. But the one I'm most excited about is the James Bond first like game because it is made by the hitman people. And that means a very different approach to a bond game. Not just let's go shoot stuff. It's going to be

a lot more than that. And I am very, very, very excited. I'm excited about that. Oh, cool. Yeah, go watch that trailer. You'll get a kick out. I will. Yeah. Anyway, so there you have it. Yeah, the Marvel game nine of 12 is coming to everything i don't think it's just epic um the the thing i just saw said steam epic and i mean epic is uh ghost xbox right uh well epic epic's just their store

they're up there pc store it competes with steam yeah yeah so really they just mean they're coming to the two big stores on pc um anyway it looks great yeah i saw the alien earth trailer before the show today have you seen the trailer yet no not the new one Brian, I am put it in my veins. I'm ready. Take my money. Oh, it looks so good. Cool.

We actually get characters. We get a little bit of story tease. Oh, good. I'm so excited. I can barely handle myself. Excellent. Anyway, Core, today, 1 p.m. be there for that. TMS Friday happening at 9 a.m. tomorrow. So you're going to want to be here for that.

If you are a patron and if you are not one, you can sign up now and still be there. And we'll have more core stuff, a live stream of the main event reveals tomorrow. from summer game fest so watch for that and then film sack this weekend we are covering double trouble one of the worst movies we've ever seen it's rough but we had fun we had a good time but i was really happy with my my song on that one really proud of that crooner loungey crooner business total banger it's one of your best and uh also we like a bad movie sometimes it's a terrible movie and yeah it makes for great conversation so anyway you guys got to check that out that's going to do it for us frogpans dot com slash tms for all your needs brian let's get out of here with a song. What do you got? I've got a song in my heart and

do do do do do. No, this is a request going out to Nathan and Jennifer. Hey Brian, June 6th marks 10 wonderful years of marriage for my wife. Jennifer and I will be traveling to escape our children on the 5th and thought it would be nice to surprise her while we're driving. We danced to both of the songs that they gave me at our wedding and a cover of either would be awesome. Any genre will do. Love the show though, Nathan. Let's hear it for people married on D-Day, right?

June 6th. Oh, man. Can you imagine? Tina and I got married almost 33 years ago. It'll be 33 years tomorrow on D-Day. And Storm in the Beach at Normandy, also getting hitched. You know what? I think you guys are going to make it. I think you and Tina are going to...

I think we got a really good chance at this point. Yeah. It feels like a really good start, you know, to a nice long marriage. Yeah, as long as she lets me play my freaking midnight sons. Well, I'm sitting on the couch next to her. That's a whole new thing. Anyway, the songs that Nathan and Jennifer, that Nathan requested, either Ed Shearin's Thinking Out Loud or Nora Jones's Come Away With Me.

And I'm going with the latter, going with Come Away With Me by Nora Jones because I love the original and it gives me a chance to play a Spice Girls cover. This is by Emma Bunton, better known as Baby Spice. In 2019, she released a whole cover album, yes. Oh, I'm so happy. It's called My Happy Place, making her happy as well. This is her cover of Nora Jones, Come Away With Me, featuring, who's this guy? Who's this chub?

Josh Kumra, joining her on vocals, turning it into a duet. Here is Emma Bunton. Come away with me in the night Come away with me and I will write you a song Come away with me me on the bus Come away where they can tempt us us with their lives

I want to walk with you on a cloud today And fear is where the yellow grass grows me high So won't you try To come away with me and we'll kiss on a mountain top Come away with me and I'll never stop loving you I want to wake up with the rain falling on the timbre.

I'll sleep there in your arms. So all I ask is for you to come away with me in the night. Come away with me Frog in Pants If you're looking for something froggy smooth Find more at frogpants.com You couldn't do that before You've improved on perfection