The Morning Stream - TMS 2864: Illegal Vacuums
Episode Date: August 5, 2025I'm simulating Walking Here. Frozen dead guy days. Eat The Pie. Escape from Gandalfini. They're Really Hard To Penetrate. ProDeus Proteus. I Like Things On Sticks. Coco van has neither cocoa nor Van. ...Discuss. Small Town Goofy. What does a Shroosberry taste like? Walking Down Monopoly. That's A Lot Of Stinky Wieners! I Can Haz Cheese Burger Picture? OK Boomerang. It's Cage Season with TVs Travis and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Hello, good morning and welcome to TMS.
This is the morning stream for Tuesday, August 5th, 2025.
I'm Scott Johnson, and that's Brian Nibbitt.
Hi, Brian.
Hi.
Hey, hey, how.
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, man, 8, 525.
That's pretty good.
That's a fun one.
That's pretty good.
Yeah, yeah.
What do we got here?
2864.
So no, no, five.
in the number today, but
it'll be nice if it lined up.
It would be nice, whatever. We're just happy
to have a fun thing to say every morning.
Exactly. All right, everyone.
It's good to see everybody. Nice to see
the live chat. Nice to see everybody
there. Big thanks to
my wife this morning
for taking care of the dogs so I could be here
on time. Oh, nice. Yeah, just a little
shout out, her direction. Oh, we did a little
cooking video if anyone wants to see it. Kim made
Cocoa.
which sounds like it has cocoa in it but it doesn't it does and van it also doesn't have van no it does not have van well it has
He put his hand in it, and then that was it.
But other than that.
No, he didn't do that.
But we had, it's a French dish that is just one of our favorites around here.
And Kim made it, and we made a video while we made it.
And the entire recipe's up there.
Go find it on all the little video socials and whatnot.
It's a nice short under three-minute cooking video,
even though the whole thing took about three hours.
Yeah.
It was nice, though.
If you're hungry, I recommend it.
You have a very clean kitchen, which I imagine is all Kim's doing.
I think it was.
Well, let's put it this way.
It was 100% her doing.
Yeah.
And she's always good about a clean kitchen.
However, I'll admit the night before, I left things a little disarray.
And so she managed to get that all back in shape without.
So she had to reclean it in preparation for the video recording.
Yes.
She did a very nice job.
It was almost as if I had never been there, which is probably good for everybody is to have me not in there very often.
Sure, sure.
It works well to have her on screen and you narrating and holding the camera for sure.
Exactly.
And making dumb jokes about extra virgin olive oil.
For sure.
Anyway, hey, I got a quick thought.
I was watching the, I think I, maybe if I didn't recommend it on a recommendal, maybe I should or maybe I've just brought it up before, but I've been watching the foundation series.
Yeah.
It's probably on there, right?
I probably did season one.
I don't remember.
I don't remember if you recommendled it or not, but I know we've talked about it.
and it's one of those that I have not sat down,
set down to watch yet.
It'll be one that I watch without Tina
because I don't think she expressed any interest in it.
Yeah.
Where do you land?
I know you like Lee Pace.
I like Lee Pace a lot.
You know, I actually just listened to,
they had Kristen Chenoweth on the Howard Stern Sunday School show,
live show yesterday.
And it just reminded me how much I loved the Pieman show,
dead and loving it.
No, eat the pie.
Pushing daisies, I believe.
Pushing Daisies.
Much better name than anything I came up with.
Eat the pie.
Eat the pie.
Yeah.
Delicious pie must be eaten.
It was such a great show.
It was a great show and it was a great introduction to Lee Pace, our Ronan the Accuser.
Yeah.
So good in there.
Gosh, dang it.
He's good and everything, but I'll tell you what.
This dude is eating scenery and foundation.
Is he?
Yeah.
Wildly good.
But here's the thing that occurred to me.
So I finished season two, had already seen season one.
Season one's a little uneven, but I blame, well, even the producers blame it a bit on a jacked-up production schedule due to the pandemic.
It was mid-pandemic when they had to stop everything and all the stuff that had to do that got kind of weird and messy.
So I feel a little bad for them because they had to deal with it.
So season one just feels a little off.
Still worth seeing, but it's just you can tell there was a disruption from the pandemic in the middle of it.
Season two is a rip-roaring and oh my gosh kind of season.
It's really, really good.
Season three is already underway, but season two in particular is what I was catching up on.
And I finished season two, loved it.
It gets really wild.
Not here to talk any spoilers or any story points, but I want to ask, or this is just a
general question to foundation fans from the book series, because the books are not wildly
different, but this show takes a bunch of liberties.
It needs to because the density of the foundation novels is ridiculous.
They're really hard to penetrate, I think.
A lot of math, a lot of philosophical space, religion.
It's just, it's complicated, those books.
They deserve the classic status they have,
but I think the show's doing a really good job
of making it consumable and fun and exciting
and, you know, something you want to see on TV
and not be bored.
Yeah.
Here's the question.
To those who have read the books or are big fans otherwise,
is Lee Pace is playing a character
and his character is from a,
let's call it a dynasty,
that in the books,
none of that exists,
but it's crucial to the show.
The show,
I don't think the show is the show
without the empire stuff
that he's involved with.
But in the books, it's not there.
Oh, really?
Yeah, there's an empire,
but there's not a,
this way,
don't exist, he's not, his character doesn't exist in the way that it's portrayed in the show at
all. Like, not even, it's all a whole cloth made up. Is it a way then to make viewers, like give viewers
a quicker way into the story without the reading that would be involved in the books? I don't know.
Like the, if anything, I'd say it's just an, it's, it's, usually with, when they water stuff down for
TVs and movies, you kind of go, oh, I like the books better. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But this is a case where I actually think the show made it superior because of this choice.
And it's whole cloth writing.
It's like all new added to the story that does exist in the books.
But it's like this added layer.
And it makes it so much more compelling, so much better than I think it would have been had they just done what the book does.
And so if there are any long time like Asmoff slash I-Robot slash, it's all in the same universe, foundation fans out there.
Oh, is it really?
Oh, I didn't know that.
Oh, yeah.
That's cool.
The I robot.
Is all of Asimov's stuff like in the same universe or is it?
I don't think all of it is, but I think a very large chunk is.
Okay.
There may be some off.
Just saw a retro coffee couple for a second.
I'm like, wait, what?
Oh, yeah, look at those people drinking.
Didn't mean to hit that.
That was our jazz music pre-show.
But I don't think so.
Okay.
But there are tons.
He did a lot of little short stories and stuff, so maybe maybe those don't.
Oh, I don't have connections, but the three laws of robotics comes up.
These are connected.
Oh, yeah, definitely.
And they're, but they're also, this is the other weird thing about it.
Like the Dune series, at least later in the Dune series, there's tons of, there's tons of, like, really extended out stuff, like hundreds of years passed before your next plot point.
And this show is doing a really good job of representing that.
And I think it's the Lee Pace stuff that's doing it.
Anyway, I'm just curious.
Anyone out there, ride into the show.
Send us your emails, your thoughts, your comments, whatever.
I'm curious where your head's out.
that if you are fans of the foundation and how you feel about what they've done.
Brian, we got a quick note here from speedy, speedyman.
Speedeman.
Is that he'd say it?
You'd say it that way, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Like if the D was capitalized, I'd say he's speed demon.
But in this one, I'd say he's speedyman.
Speedman.
So we're assuming he's a very fast man.
I would assume so.
He says, I have a question for Scott.
Sorry, Mrs. Speedyman.
He says, I have a question for Scott.
on TMS you have said a couple of times when Prodeus is given away as a game code
that it's a cool first-person shooter,
but it's actually just a chill walking simulator game.
What's the FPS you're thinking I've really called?
Love the show, though.
I've listened to every episode since the start.
No, it's called Proteus.
It's just spelled different.
Oh, really?
Yeah, he's saying Proteous is Prodei.
Yeah, he's saying Proteus with a T.
This one here is Prodeus.
Prodeus.
Okay.
Prodeus with a E-U-S.
That just looks like a very cool, slow walking first-person shooter with guns.
Yeah, with lots and lots of blood, demons, all that stuff.
So it is nothing like a walking simulator.
It is not chill at all.
And it is one of my favorite action shooters in recent years.
It's so good.
And the one we gave away, because did we give one away yesterday?
Is that why it came up?
Yeah, Wednesday or maybe it been last Wednesdays.
Oh, it could have been last week.
Yeah, when Bobby was doing his thing.
Can't remember.
But it's one of my favorites.
I love this game.
It's so good.
If you wanted, it's on Steam for 20.
$24 bucks or maybe one day you'll win it on this show.
I don't know.
But yeah, I don't know that we've ever had a code for the walking simulator version of the game or of the one he's talking about.
Proteus is a weird name for a walking simulator.
I agree.
I mean, let's just say it's weird to have a walking simulator game.
That feels like, you know, I understand some chore core kind of stuff, but having a walking simulator seems like a weird choice.
They're usually just story driven.
It's like, I don't know.
imagine like what's a good example of this there's a game called s something esther
esther's something someone in the chat will know this anyway it's weird it's a cool story
but you just walk around in first person mode you don't really do anything except see stuff
and it's probably one of those things that once i try it i'd be hooked yeah you probably like
on the game right now where i'm just building a house yeah over and over and over again a different
Different house every time, but I'm building a house.
Yeah, if it's a good, a good story, then who cares how you get in, I guess?
Yeah.
I don't know.
Those are, they're fairly popular.
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That's cool. Yes. Four people injured after a tractor trailer crash spills thousands of hot dogs on I-30.
It's a lot of hot dogs. Oh, the humanity. The hot, don't somebody think
of the hot dogs.
Can you imagine the loss of lunches?
I mean, gosh, dang.
There was a separate tractor trailer full of buns, but it had a very different number.
It had a non-parallel number of hot dog buns.
They didn't match up.
Please, everybody who doesn't understand that reference, explain it to them.
Because if you buy a bag of buns, it's weird, right?
Explain it to those who do not get it.
You buy hot dogs come in a pack of 10, buns come in a pack of 12 or 8, usually.
they never match up.
You have to buy multiples of each just to get them to match up.
That's right.
It's a scam.
It's a racket, in my opinion.
I could be wrong on that, but I just realized my other mic is like picking me up.
Is it doing that?
Hold on.
Let's try this.
Hello.
Yeah, the Carter mic was on.
Yeah, I heard you.
It's off now.
Hopefully I wasn't echoing too much.
Anyway, let's get to it.
Four people were injured after a tractor trailer crash, left thousands of hot dogs scattered across the highway,
according to the shrewberry volunteer fire department shrewsbury shrewsbury shrew i think that's how it said right
yeah shrewsbury uh crash involving at least one tractor trailer and another vehicle happen on i
interstate 83 it'd be great if it was a mustard truck you know right yes that would be the only appropriate
vehicle by the way exactly i don't know where this shrewsbury township is a pennsylvania i believe oh that's a very
of Pennsylvania name, that's true.
Yeah.
They got townships.
Since it says PennDOT is the,
probably the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation,
PennDOT.
Ah, gotcha.
Did you ever do any papers in Pennsylvania?
Yes, let's see.
The Philadelphia Inquirer.
Oh, that's a big one.
The Erie Times.
Was it just scary in there?
It was eerie.
Really eerie.
How else do we have?
We had Pittsburgh.
Post Gazette.
Oh, no, Asbury Park is New Jersey.
What do we have?
There was another Allentown.
Oh.
Allentown.
Living here in Allentown.
And they're part of Brian and all came down.
Yeah, I was there for a whole week.
That was the week that my friend Don and I decided we were going to go get some hoagies
and then drive across to Atlantic City from...
Nice.
From Allentown, Pennsylvania.
How is it, Atlantic City as a comparison to, to me?
Gross.
Is it?
Yeah.
So, like, you know, the strip is this nice, long, lush, posh.
You don't feel, you know, you get annoyed by people when you're walking down there,
but it's just the porn flippers and things like that.
Yeah.
It's a much shorter area in Atlantic City.
There's a very nice boardwalk, but again, that boardwalk.
But again, that boardwalk is maybe about half of the length of the strip, if that.
And you definitely don't want to go, you know, you worry about other places on either side.
Really?
Yeah.
So there's not like, I mean, I only have Vegas to compare to it like a casino city, or Reno, I suppose, I've been to.
But it seems like there's always like a good chunk, like the newer strip or whatever.
The boardwalk is where you want to walk.
And there's a little bit of a strip.
but also the all the casino hotels resorts aren't i guess they are kind of in the line but
it feels like like the borgata and a few of those others are scattered in different places
kind of like how the palms and the rio are on the um uh off of the strip but it feels like
there's more of that in atlantic city um does jim own a bunch they own a bunch properties there
right they probably do yeah is there like but there's no like an equivalent mgm i think there's an
MGM Grand, New Atlantic City, I think.
There was, again, this was 90, or mid-90s when I was there.
I don't know how much of things have changed.
But, for God, I remember being really, really nice.
There was one hotel, before I even saw any of this in Vegas, there was one hotel that had
a video display on the outside, and it was just constantly going.
And then later we finally saw that in Vegas, I think, on the new deal, the resorts
world oh right right yeah i was going to say that it was familiar so that's that's wild i've never been
yeah i don't know and it's funny because as you walk walk through atlantic city it's like oh there's
baltic avenue up there's mediterranean avenue they're kind of that's kind of a shithole oh indiana
avenue like it's you know you're walking down monopoly and even some of the street signs have the
colors that match the the the property colors from the game itself oh i didn't realize they were are
they, do they seem appropriately priced on the board compared to the location?
Yeah, I mean, boardwalk and park place, nice.
Yeah. What's the big one? Baltic's the expensive one?
No, Baltic is the worst. Baltic and Mediterranean are your poop brown properties.
What am I thinking of?
Park Place and Boardwalk are your big ones, your big expensive ones.
Okay. And then you've got North Carolina, Tennessee's yellow or orange, Pacific, North Carolina, and,
what's the other green shoot um i used to have these all down yeah i can't remember yeah i remember
vermont there's yellow is vermont no vermont's light blue vermont oriental um are your light blues
then you've got st charles uh what are your purples your your um shoot man i used to have
all of these down i could i could rattle off all the properties right around the board i'm impressed
you got as many as you did i can't remember i know you
York, Tennessee, and it's great. I can remember two out of three. I can never get a monopoly on any
color because I can only remember two out of the three properties in each one. I remember the houses
are green, the hotels are red. Yep. That's all I know.
Let's see I can get the reds. Illinois, Indiana, and Kentucky. I get the three reds. Well done.
The yellows are Marvin Gardens. Yeah. You never forget Marvin Gardens because it's so
different from all the other ones.
I want to meet the guy named Marvin
who had a garden. These are my gardens.
Forever verbalized
in a board game.
Anyway.
That's pretty good.
Your monopoly knowledge is strong.
I just, I know the guy that says
go to jail has a whistle in his mouth.
I know that. Yes, he does. Exactly.
He's just constantly blowing that whistle at you.
Do you like or not like the fact that the board, when they do a
themed one, let's say like a World of Warcraft board or a
Marvel or anything.
I have the Eternals version.
Perfect.
So you've got, it's a good example.
They keep, they always keep the go to jail.
Maybe they don't always.
I just think they do.
They have the go to jail guy and the $200.
The go collect $200.
Yeah.
Those always stay that, that art never changes, right?
Those have to, right.
There's probably, um,
the Parker Brothers agreement that those can never change in any of the Opelie spin
Is it Parker Brothers?
Yeah, I think it's a Parker Brother.
Or if not, it's the other one.
What's the other one?
There's like two.
I know, yeah.
It's either Milton Bradley or Parker Brothers.
Yeah, I can't remember who does what, but yeah, I always wondered about that because
it just seems like a weird sticking point.
Like, why, who cares what the go-to-jail guy looks like?
I just wonder, like, if, you know, when they do the, like, the Vegas version,
KT. Data says he's got the Vegas version.
I wonder if they have like a little bit of a pushback, like, you know, some property
says, oh, we don't deserve it to be in the light blue.
well, we should at least be in the orange.
Yeah.
They're like a big faction fight over that.
Right, exactly.
I love it.
Well, the good news is this.
Yeah.
They've cleaned it up mostly.
They got the hot dogs.
A thousand pounds of frozen hot dogs, dude.
That's a lot.
And there's no way that that didn't wreak it up for a hot minute,
even if it wasn't spoiled yet.
Oh, it would stink.
Yeah, it would stink, like a nasty bunch of raw hot dogs.
And I imagine the slipperiness of the hot dogs were what caused the,
the injuries, right?
Like people driving through
hot dogs.
My favorite line in this
is they have somebody who was taking a video
of this thing with like a viral video
of the incident.
Here's the quote.
A person can be heard saying off camera,
quote, we just got a whole truckload
of hot dogs, unquote.
Wow, thanks guys.
Yeah, well, well done.
Yeah, you really killed it.
All right.
Here's what time it is, Brian.
It's time for something awesome.
This is Travis, and you'll do well to listen carefully to what he has to say.
That's right. TV's Travis is with us now.
Hello, TV's Travis. How are you?
I'm doing well, and now I want a hot dog.
Oh, well, I think I know why you want one.
We've been talking about him.
It's good to have you here, man.
How's it going in TV Travis's world?
It's going well. It's going well.
I am three weeks away from leaving for Dragon Khan and still not prepared.
but, you know.
Are you, are you cosplaying?
I will be on Saturday night.
So I'm going to be part of the botched podcast Bloodfewed Saturday night at 10 o'clock.
And we are all dressing as we're going pro wrestlers.
So I'm going to be posed as early version Bray Wyatt.
I've got an awesome Hawaiian shirt and a friend's bringing me a nice Panama hat to wear.
I had to find a pro wrestler that had long hair and a big beard.
Yeah, right.
There's a requirement.
Yes, exactly.
I mean, you know, you could be ironically somebody who didn't have long hair.
lung hair and a big beard but that's true i could yeah but i get it you don't want to uh you know you
want to right go clear sure go full full travis is what you're going to do i wish i lived closer to uh
i mean it's not like you like live very close to dragon con but i do wish i live closer because it would be
it would be a very cool thing to get to go to every year yeah it's just such a hall from denver and
and we almost always have stuff going on that weekend yeah yeah it's a weird time of year like
I always end up missing the Tadpool Southeast meetups
because it's like right around the time
We had some people go to Jen Con that saw each other
I saw a picture of Dan and Eric Van Skyhawk hanging out
Eric was helping run a booth for somebody
which is a that's a lot of work
you know and he drove from New York to do it
or Jersey I mean you're you're basically tied up there all day long
unless you you know split the duties with somebody else
but it's a lot right uh i prefer a duty free uh experiences yes like my duty i don't want my duty
split yeah i like some duty free hey uh well it's good to have you here man you uh come on the
show uh on the occasion and tell us or try to uh challenge us with a bunch of trivia questions
uh and you're going to do it today so laid on us who's ahead what's going on uh so right now scott
you are still ahead five to two entering uh month eight brian creeped up last time and one last
I did.
The route was my rally.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yeah.
You're coming on, you know, you're coming on strong.
You're not mathematically eliminated yet.
Yeah.
Could happen today, though.
No, no.
No.
The worst I could happen today was you get mathematically tied.
Okay.
All right.
Everything's fine.
Fair enough.
So we're going to start round one.
Brian, you will start our bidding on this movie.
We're going to guess cast members from this movie.
I'm going to get cast members.
Okay.
Cast members.
How many cast members do you think you need?
Um, let's do three.
Three, all right.
Three.
Cast members.
Scott, do you think you can do it in less than three?
I may as well try.
Let's do two.
I'll try.
Okay.
Brian, you have a chance to go for one or you can make you out take two.
I'll do one.
I'll just name a movie that whoever, whoever you tell me is in.
Sure.
All right.
If I can, which is, you know, that's even a hit or miss.
a prospect
All right
Your one cast member
Brian is
John Malkovich
John Malkovich
Boy a good one
because he's been in so few movies
Yeah he's barely done anything
In his career
Just a slow career
Guess I can say
Fantastic four first steps can I
Oh
Let's
Let's go dangerous liaisons
well that's a fun guess but wrong sure i like that you went there though yeah i do too because
you could have done the obvious i didn't want to do the obvious but maybe what you know when your
next one turns out to be someone else from that obvious one i'm not going to say it just in case but
sure all right so i get one more right okay you get one more so we have john malcovitch your other cast
member is john cusack oh um uh uh uh
Conair.
That is correct.
Oh, sweet.
Nice.
You didn't fall into the trap.
Well done.
All right.
That's hard, though, because like Brian said.
What could have been being John Malkovich?
And, you know, once he said that, I thought, oh, he's going, he's going tricky.
Yeah.
All right.
I think I know where we're headed theme-wise, but let's see.
So round one has gone to Scott.
Scott, you get to start the bidding on round two.
We're doing a comic book character.
Okay.
By powers and abilities.
Powers and abilities.
So how many of their abilities?
Yes, different abilities or things that they've got.
Okay, I'll...
Based off of...
I went from Wikipedia, just so everyone knows.
I'll do...
I'll do...
I'll do two.
Two, all right?
Okay.
I'll try it in one, because it'll be...
It'll be martial arts or good with weapons or something like that.
Agility.
Probably right.
Yeah.
I mean, you would think that, and in this case, no.
Okay.
The one is superhuman strength and durability.
Okay.
Well, there's a lot of those as well, but...
Durability, interesting.
Yeah.
Let's say Luke Cage, Power Man.
No.
Scott, you get a second ability if you would like it.
Yeah, give me a second power.
So we've got Superhuman Strength, Durability.
The other one is pyrochinesis.
Pyrocan control fire?
Oh, geez.
Kinetic control of fire.
And he's super strong and durable.
And you said hero.
He's not like some villain or something like that, right?
Did you say hero?
I just said comic book character.
Okay.
Okay.
Fair enough.
I don't know this
I don't know this
I can't
I don't know
I can't I don't know one
I don't know who does both those things
I want to say Red Fraggle's guess in the chat
is my favorite so far Jack Jack
Oh
That's true
Because he does have the superhuman strength
Yeah that's a good one
Even that didn't help me
Who is it?
Okay so here's a couple
other abilities.
Let's see if either of you can just guess it.
Hellfire.
Hellfire.
Oh, it's Sertr?
No.
Probably not.
Yeah.
I don't see you pull insurter out.
Another one is...
This category scares me because Brian's really good.
Oh.
What did you say?
The next one?
It's a ghost rider, isn't it?
It's ghost writer.
Is it ghost writer?
It is?
It is ghost rider.
Damn it, and of course.
And there's our theme.
What a dumb ass.
There it is.
all right
I love Ghost Rider
I'm embarrassed
I didn't get that
he's great
I'm a little embarrassed
for you too
you should be
all right
all right
so round
three is our music round
Brian you get to start
the bidding
on the song
so I've got one
two
three five
and I think
eight second
I like the you still
prepare the five
and the eight seconds
yeah I know
I'll go through the motions
which
Never play them.
Just in case. I've got to do the one second.
It's both an offensive and a defensive move.
Go for it.
I totally get it.
Go for it.
All right.
Here's your one second of this song.
I have a feeling you're going to get this one.
Okay.
That is a wicked game by Chris Isaac.
Featured.
Prominently in the Nicholas Cage film Wild at Heart.
That is correct.
Nicely, John, Brian.
Jesus.
Shit.
All right, Scott, you get to start our bidding for round four.
I love that song.
We are tied 1-1, by the way.
Okay.
So we are going to deal with a director.
And we're going to go with titles of films that this director has done.
Okay.
Let's do...
Director.
I'm just going to try it in one.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
Okay. All right.
Your one film is called The Straight Story.
Oh, that's the one about the, it's David Lynch.
Yeah.
That is correct.
I love that one. It's the one about the motor.
It's one of his, one of Scott's favorites, yeah.
I love that movie, the lawnmower thing with the old guy and it's Brady G.
It's so different from every other David Lynch thing.
It's the only rated G movie he ever did, which is insane to even say that about David Lynch.
Like he's usually very R, because you don't know what else to give that guy, but R, right?
There really is no, like, there's no one you could sneak up on to Travis for David Lynch.
If David Lynch is the answer, it's not like you can say, uh, let's go obscure, Eraserhead.
Right, it's tough.
I mean, I could go real obscure and find some of his shorts.
Oh, sure.
Some of like the stuff that he did in his later years.
I think you did the perfect one.
It just so happens I have a big fandom for that movie.
It's kind of rare for most people, though.
I don't think most people think of it.
Well, and I also had Wild at Heart on the list, but, like, you know, with Wicked Game, that was going to be a final one.
So, all right.
Scott, you are up to one with going into round five.
Brian, you get to start our bidding on this movie.
And again, we're going with past.
He's 3-1, isn't he?
Because he got Conair.
Oh, nobody got Ghost Writer.
Okay.
Nobody got Ghostwriter.
Okay.
So this is naming a movie from cast members.
Is that what you said?
Cast members again, yep.
Okay.
Let's do two
Two, okay
Scott, do you want to try for one?
You feeling lucky?
I don't know why I feel like doing this, but let's go, let's have Brian do it at two.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
I don't know if that's a bad move or a good move.
I just feel like doing that.
Okay.
We'll find out here.
All right, Brian, here's your two cast members from this movie.
Joaquin Phoenix and James Gandalfini.
James Gandalfini and Joaquin Phoenix.
Holy shit.
I mean, the only James Gandalfini thing,
I got to think about this,
the only James Gandalfini thing I can think of is the Mexican with Brad Pitt.
Such a good movie.
That movie is good.
Yeah, but, you know, I feel like I've got a third.
name because I feel like
Nicholas Cage has to be involved in this somehow.
But maybe not,
maybe not. Maybe, you know, maybe I'm reading
too much into it. Wachene Phoenix
James Gandalfini.
A joker.
Yeah. I know.
It makes it very easy to pick movies that were
released before James Gandalfini
passed away.
Oh, he was like a mobster
like, I mean, obviously
mobster in The Sopranos, but I think
he also played like a tough, like
a much worse
person, um, in
something.
Shoot.
Um,
oh, I'm going to kick myself.
Um, I'm sure I am.
It's going to be something,
I'm going to say, uh, gone
in 60 seconds.
Gone in 60 seconds.
It's probably a, it's a fun movie, but no.
It's a guess.
It's not a good guess, but it's a guess.
It is a guess.
Scott, you get to guess based on those two.
So I don't get an extra one.
Oh, he does get a steal.
Nope.
Okay.
Oh, he just gets a guess.
He can steal, but he gets...
I get no additional thing.
No additional info.
Gotcha.
All right.
I just don't know what they were in together.
It must be...
It's got to be Joaquin Phoenix in a...
Like a post-s-s-world.
Shit. I don't know this one. I don't even have a good guess.
You know what? I'll do. What's the one? There's a prison one where Gandalfini's the warden and there's a bunch of escape shit going on.
And I'll call that movie, Escape from Gandalfini prison.
Incorrect. All right, here's a couple other cast members from that movie. Maybe you'll get it.
Okay. All right. Catherine Keener. Love her. Okay. Yeah. Peter Stormer. Love him.
And Anthony healed. I still have no idea. Wow. I mean, a great cast, whatever this is.
Man, I've got enough. If it turns out to be this escape prison thing and I just don't remember the name. I'm going to be so mad if that's what it is.
I still don't know the guess.
Yeah, I got nothing.
Yeah.
It's not the escape from Gandelfini Prison.
It is, in fact, a movie directed by Joel Schumacher, 8mm.
Oh.
Why do I always think that's a Brian DePaulma movie?
Why do I do that?
It feels like it, right?
Because it's, you know.
It feels like it would be a Brian De Palma type movie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I never saw.
I've never seen it.
I just always think that.
We need to film sack that shit someday.
Yeah, we do.
It's, uh, it is, it's a, it's an interesting.
interesting one. It's a, I know it was controversial at the time. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know much else about it. I had a friend of mine who went and saw that movie with his mom. Really? He hadn't let him let him live that down. Yeah, let's just see a movie about snuff films with mom. Great. So this, but if this was Schumacher, then he made Gandalfini and Nicholas Cage wear nipple suits. All right. Yes, exactly. Cool, cool, cool. All right. So we're still, what are we now? We're still. Two one. How many questions you got left?
that was the final round
Oh no
Of five
Best of five
Scott wins
I've been mathematically
prevented from a win
But there's still a tie potential
Yeah there comes to a tie
I like this
Now wait what happens if we get
What if we get to the point where
Let's say we do tie in a future game
What do you do with the rest of the years games?
I imagine I mean I imagine
Tiebreakers
Yeah
Like you just do a big tiebreaker for the very end
like a, for all the marbles tiebreaker at the end of the year.
All right, excellent.
Yeah, we'll have some winner take all.
If that happens, by the way, if that happens, people are going to be like, they stage the whole damn thing.
Like Brian Sandbagged or Scott, you know, whatever, whatever.
They're going to think it's totally staged.
If I could be that good at what I'm doing, I would do it.
But I'm just not.
You know what I say?
Let the controversy flow.
I'm totally fine with it.
So, yeah.
So that's-
You figured out the theme.
And everyone in the chat did too.
It's, it's August.
Yeah, it's your month.
Yeah, it's Cajie Ploosa, man.
It's a great time to be alive.
Love it.
So I've done two episodes.
The next one will be coming out tomorrow,
and that was on Dream Scenario,
which just came out a couple years ago.
And if you haven't seen that movie yet,
I recommend it.
It's weird, but it's really well done.
Heard good things, yeah.
The third act is a little divisive.
Some people, like, fan reviews didn't like stuff that happened in Act 3.
Yeah.
But I didn't mind it.
I actually thought it was kind of clever.
Overall, I think it's a really good movie.
I also did watch Wild at Heart for the first time.
And that was a tough one because that's not available anywhere to stream or buy.
Oh, really?
Oh, wow.
Even to buy it.
Wow.
So you hit to, okay.
Can you buy that?
Weird.
I had a friend of mine that had the, he had bought like the criterion collection DVD.
And so I was able to watch that.
I told you, I warned you ahead of time that there was a scene in there that still bothers me to this day.
And it involves a marble floor.
And I'm not going to say anything more about it.
Oh, my.
Yeah.
I'm going to have to think about that.
Yeah.
I don't think I've seen Wilden Art.
Oh, really?
Oh, wow.
I don't think so.
But it sounds like it's going to be a long time.
This is a representation of my individuality.
I can't remember the line, but it's so good.
It's so good, yes.
Sean Bloom says Wildeat Heart is on Internet Archive.
So Archive.org has it?
I'll have to check.
Oh, there you go.
Maybe I'll watch it there.
Well, there you go.
Hey, make sure that people know where to go for all this.
Where are your show URLs, all that stuff?
Yep.
Tvistravis.com.
There's links to all the shows there, everything that I do,
and I will be putting up some post-DragonCon videos there as well.
And there's links to the YouTube channel that has a bunch of video stuff.
That is a pretty more up there.
I love it.
If you're coming to DragonCon too, I'll be afternoon 4 o'clock.
I'm doing wait you haven't seen live at DragonCon.
Nice.
With the sandlot.
I've got a couple of teenagers.
who've never seen the sandlot and i'm really curious to see what they think about a movie from
30 years ago that was set 40 years prior watching it today yeah no kidding right that was one that
i saw late in life too so i get it yeah well i think i only saw because it was local film locally and
everybody made a big deal out of it so we had we kind of had to it was like compulsory around here
anyway well that's fantastic dude looking forward to hearing how all that goes for you and we'll see
you soon by travis you and your beard be take care
All right, we got this now.
All right.
Brian, I have some insane facts about Colorado.
I would like to throw at you.
And then I want you to tell me if you think these sound right.
Now, it's not a quiz, but it's like, these are some weird things.
It's going to be a, did you know this?
Yeah.
This is a crazy to me, the stuff that I found out about.
Okay.
Oh, interesting.
Yeah.
We'll see if, yeah, we'll see how true some of these are.
Some of these obviously aren't, you know, like this first one, they don't enforce this.
but it is illegal in your state the entire state to lend your vacuum to crazy neighbor you can't do it
really it's illegal to lend a vacuum to a neighbor in colorado yeah Dave came to you it said I need your
vacuum you're not allowed to buy the books anyway you're not allowed to lend him your thing it's
literally on the books but it's not enforced at all it's just never got you know nobody's taking
the time to repeal such a dumb thing right right that's really funny and you know if it
was anything it would be i mean crazy neighbor does borrow my um uh we have a it's basically a
chain saw on a long stick on a long pole that you used to cut down thick branches of your tree
without having to climb up there you can just basically extend this thing hit a button and
that's cool i like to see how that yeah but it's a great weapon too i'm sure but uh yeah that's
awesome i like things on sticks if i'm gonna be honest things on sticks are great yeah i know a place
in pennsylvania where i can get a lot of hot dogs on a stick if i need to right
I'm sure.
Here's another one.
This is crazy.
Colorado once elected a dead man to office.
And this was an ancient history.
This was 2016.
This is,
it's a,
it's part of the
Netherland Frozen Dead Guy days.
Really?
Yes.
So years and years and years ago,
the town of Netherland,
little sleepy mountain town,
goofy people living in Netherlands,
by the way,
as evidenced by this,
had a
um stored their dead their father who passed away in their freezer outdoor freezer
and uh thinking that maybe one day they they thought they would just do some home cryogenics
and uh some Swedish or Norwegian uh dude and so every year now in netherland they have what's called
frozen dead guy days and they have a um people race down the hill in freezers um
They have like a soapbox derby made of freezers.
They sell frozen, you know, treats, things like that.
It's, it's, uh, it's goofy.
But yes, Frozen Dead Guy days, it's a thing.
I love small town, uh, goofy.
I like it.
Yes, yes.
We've elected a cat mayor.
We've probably elected, somebody said we elected a dog mayor, probably did.
But I know there's a, uh, I know we elected a cat mayor to the town that, uh, that we were going to go for, um, uh, for a little family group thing this year.
but we opted not to.
So I wonder if this guy,
so this says here in 2016,
state Senate candidate David A.F. Romero
died shortly before the election.
So he was alive when he was running.
Oh, this is a totally different dude then.
Yeah, it must be.
I thought this was a part of Frozen Dead guy days.
So this is a whole different thing.
I did too tell I kept reading here.
It says,
Wow.
Let's see.
He still won due to early voting.
And then they had to fill his seat posthumously
with somebody else, whoever was second.
Oh, hilarious.
Okay.
Yeah.
No, I apparently, this is a whole different thing than the thing I was thinking.
Yeah, it sounded.
I thought maybe they trolled a frozen candidate in or something like that.
That's what I thought they did.
I thought for sure that they did like a little joky, we're going to elect the dead guy mayor.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, who is it?
Was it Justin's mom always gets put written in for president?
Yes, the right in vote, absolutely.
Gloria, Robert Young.
I like that she still is the same middle name, too.
It's all just part of his last name.
Let's see.
There is, okay, there's another one.
There is a UFO watchtower in Hooper.
Do you know where Hooper is?
Been there, yes.
And it's, it moved.
It used to be by Buena Vista.
When Tina and I drove, it was a big mystery day planned weekend.
We went to this place called Movie Manor, which is way down south.
And it's this hotel.
The hotel with the screens outside.
hotel faces to drive-in movie
theaters. We could either watch
the one with the kids
I can't remember the name of it
or we could watch It Chapter 2
and we decided
we were going to get in the car,
get better audio and actually park in the
drive-in movie theater and watch the movie.
Makes sense.
But one of the things around there
was this UFO watchtower
and it's, I wanted to really
go up, get up close to it. We
didn't get super close to it because it had just
moved. Yeah. But it is
is like a, like a, you know, an actual little tower you can lay down, like sit on a lawn chair on the top and look at the skies.
It used to be right by the sand dunes.
And if it had stayed there, we would have had time to check it out fully.
It says 360 degree views of the valley, hosts an annual UFO festival.
The locals there claim it's a hotbed of alien activity, says this.
Sure, sure.
Yeah.
With no proof at all.
Weirdos.
Definitely weirdos.
I love weirdos.
I was going to say, you get a lot of weirdos outside of Denver, but guess what?
You get them in Denver as well.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
They're everywhere.
Yeah.
The cheeseburger was trademarked in Colorado.
Did you know that?
Cheeseburger.
I didn't know that in 1935.
It's old.
I've even taken a picture of the place where you can see the cheeseburger.
Like there's a metal plaque.
It's right off of Spear Boulevard, just west of I-25.
It's a bank parking lot,
First Bank or some bank.
And they have a plaque that said the cheeseburger was invented
in a diner on this very spot.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
How have we...
Okay, we've been playing this clip for years.
Cheeseburger.
We've been playing that for years and not once have we known about this function.
Have I brought up the fact that there is a cheeseburger plaque?
Wild.
I'm trying to see if I've got...
Because I took a photo.
It is...
Now, I have a lot of pictures of cheeseburgers,
but I don't have a picture of the plaque
if I do a search in
in app photos.
I can't pull up that plaque, unfortunately.
Darn it. Yeah.
One final one.
There's a tiny town
just off I-70 near Glenwood Springs
called No Name Colorado.
Yeah.
What's that like in there?
You got any services in there or any kind of anything?
No idea.
But it, there's, let's see if I have a picture of that.
I always, it took a picture of the exit sign
as we went by.
It claims here, it says it got the name because early planners never replaced the placeholder.
It just stuck.
Yeah.
Just as you're driving towards Glenwood Springs, it's one of the last exits, one of the last towns.
And it's no name.
And it's like a little exit that goes off to the, yeah.
I love that.
I want Colorado.
We also have a tiny town called Tiny Town, Colorado.
Really?
Yeah.
I want to live in Tiny Town.
And there's like a little, and there's a little model tiny town.
there's a little model tiny town of tiny town in tiny town
this is almost better than Philmore Beaver
honestly
it's pretty good
yeah guys
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dot com slash tms all the links are there uh andrew and colorado wrote in and said hey scott and brian more
colorado fun right that's lots of colorado today in colorado uh for sure he says i ran across a coding
phase last week uh that i cannot get out of my head on conflict do nothing phrase not phase phrase phrase
phrase it's the phrase the pays sorry everybody phrase for sure he says it's a database thing but i love
the implications and would love to see if it sparked any fun design ideas from you. I feel like
the opposite of a Therapy Thursday segment. Yeah, on conflict, do nothing. Interesting. I feel like
that actually could be, maybe not be the opposite of a Therapy Thursday segment. It is very much
a, one of the tenets of the Dale Carnegie, um, uh, pathway is to, you know, if there's no
benefit to to
budding heads on something it's easier
just to let it go you know if somebody's like
if you know that they're telling somebody
they're wrong about something is
not going to better them or better you
than just let it pass
and don't do anything so the on conflict
do nothing I think is
yeah it is and Wendy would tell you
she would say she would tell us
that
the trick to that to knowing
that that's the case in that one particular
case is to take some time
not immediately react and not go you know imagine your mother text you and says i don't know you
were hard as a kid or something and you could and you know that anything you say will just make her
back herself into a corner yeah right so you're supposed to just take it double down take a
or or write it and then save it don't send it yes and then go back and look later and if it still looks
good well then maybe you send it but if you look at it and go oh i don't know i was too mad when i wrote
Like, that's usually what happens.
Yeah.
For me, anyway.
No, it's a very good idea.
And it's a good practice replying to a text, you know, somebody in Discord, somebody on Twitter or threads or blue sky or whatever.
Yeah.
It's like, you know what?
What's the benefit of me responding to this idiot and telling them that they're an idiot?
I'm just going to.
Yeah.
Why expend this energy?
I'm not going to change.
I'm not going to make them change their mind or make them feel differently.
Yeah.
this happened this morning by the way
I was checking out
I saw you text
I saw three dots in my text message
and then they disappeared
No it wasn't for you
It was a thing on blue sky
Somebody had said
I wish I had it handy now
Because I could show you the image
But basically
Somebody had written a headline
For some pop culture site
That didn't know
So they wrote
Brie Larson
To play female version of Metroid
An upcoming film adaptation
And this guy
reposted and said oh great
Nintendo's gone woke or son oh no seriously
now one of two things is happening
either that guy's an idiot really thinks that this is the case
and also the original poster maybe even they knew
that they were just stern to pot I don't know
everyone knows that Samus is a girl it's been
known since 1985 when you finish
that game she takes off her suit and she's a lady
that's the whole thing
everyone knows it but my nerd senses
were tingling and I got to this
I see this and I just go
shit I can't let this stand you know and I start typing and I went no not only can you let this stand
you can mute slash block and move on exactly there's a chance that he knows exactly what he's
doing and you're just going to give him way more exposure there's a really good chance he knows
yeah and that and that I'm falling into his stupid little mouse trap yeah so exactly so two things
are true one skip that stuff move on don't waste your time number two
F that guy.
All right.
Exactly.
Those are the two ways I feel about it.
Don't give him the time of day.
Don't waste your breath.
She's going to play a girl version of Metroid.
Which is also stupid because
Metroid isn't a person.
Metroid is a
alien creature race.
Right, exactly. It's not even
the character. It's like, you know, Zelda
and Link. Yeah, it's like, oh, no, they've got
a girl playing Zelda.
That's woke. I am dressed as
Legend of Zelda with my green hat.
and my boomerang
I'm not boomerang in the newer games
by the way I'll just say that really I like those
that might be by the way
you played the new one right donkey Kong
you played tears yeah he did Breath of the War
Tears of the Kingdom absolutely loved it
but um great game
a Zelda game or a
I mean the Donkey Kong platformer
it's almost enough to get me to plunk down the money
to get a it's really good to get a switch too
but, I mean, if I can find one, that's the only problem.
That's the other problem is that I missed out on my chance to buy a Switch 2
when I said, nah, Nintendo can't afford it right now.
I think they're easy now.
I can get them anywhere.
Really?
Costco's got them.
Oh, really?
Okay.
Yeah.
They were able to fill.
They were able to fill pretty quickly after.
Although there was about three or four weeks there where it was almost impossible.
Well, shoot.
That was going to be my last bastion of hope to save my money was to say, well,
at least there's no
at least they're not available anywhere
darn it actually what I meant to say
was they're gone nobody can get them we don't know
they're really rare yeah thank you
good luck thank you for saving me
we got a quick text to speech
here to play from someone
about Brian's visit to DC
and if this
they chose the voice for this so
maybe it's a lady
again this is impossible to tell because
they can choose whatever the voice they want but here
hello there usual lurker here
I am curious if Brian during his visit to the Holocaust Memorial Museum
went through a tall room filled to the ceiling with photos of victims of the Holocaust,
taken during happier times.
The company I work for produced those portraits for the museum a few years ago,
replacing the older faded prints with new ones in longer-lasting porcelain enamel.
I'm not sure what to call how I felt.
Spending most of my day focused on mundane things like matching color and contrast,
to the museum's proofs, only to suddenly be hit again with the realization that these were real
people, living their lives, having parties, visiting friends. My coworker and I would recognize
people across multiple photos and wonder who they were before they lost their life so horribly.
It was a massive job for our little company, but it was an honor, and knowing our work will make
sure those portraits are clear and striking for decades of visitors is humbling. Most of our
aren't so somber and it's fun to look through old-timey photos for the silly facial hair
or blurry pets thanks for the many years of entertainment during the more monotonous parts of my day
i love blurry pets they're amazing uh yeah do you remember this room or oh without a doubt
this was this was a powerful room too because not only super tall two stories maybe maybe even
higher because it's on the top level or no it's on the second level and you go around it
when you're on the top level but you go through it on the second level and it goes through
but also there are iPads or tablets scattered all through the room attached via magnets to the
wall and you pull it off the wall and you point it as you as you maneuver around the photos
some of their frames glow and if you focus on one of the glowing frames frames ones
it actually shows the photo slides over and then gives you details about who's in the photo oh wow
that's cool and um really amazing technology and yeah teen and i spent about 10 15 minutes in that room
just looking at different photos and oh my god it was i mean that that place you know is powerful
from front door to exit um but um that that room was especially that's cool the thing with the
die power the tablets is cool i wonder if you could do like uh well eventually if we're all if we're all
eventually wearing ar capable glasses one day because they're light and easy and become as ubiquitous as
phones i could see all kinds of cool applications for that totally yeah you know like i know that
people are scared to getting tracked and all that stuff but i think there's i think there's something
cool about that yeah well that's great thank you for letting us know that's awesome you worked on that's
really really really cool yeah and those and those pictures look great so good job and and they'll
look great forever and be as powerful in 50 years as they were last week.
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It is. Yeah. Learn about why everyone is so mad, including me, at Rod Stewart.
Oh, that stupid AI thing.
Gosh, dang it's so gross.
The thing that the smiling Kurt Cobain just makes me feel dead inside.
I hate everything about it, and I'm mad at him, but I'm mostly mad at people who walked up to this elderly man who doesn't probably understand the impact of it.
It said, oh, yeah, it's fine.
Mr. Manelow, these the kids are into it.
They're way into it.
Rod Stewart, by the way.
Oh, not Barry Manelow, sorry.
I mixed those two up because they both look like an old wet reed to me.
I mix them up.
They're all plastic on top of a stick.
Anyway, yeah, check all that out.
Brian, we've got to play a song for these people.
We do.
Yeah, this one is going out to,
is the last minute one I wanted to get in today going out to September.
September's father passed away last couple days.
And they, I think I'll just, if it's okay with you, September,
I'll leave it.
The two of them had a very complicated relationship.
and um but the song that they never really had music in common uh september said but um but this was a song
that that did have does have some meaning uh for her and um uh and and so we're going to play
a version of it right now uh this the original is missing persons words and this cover came out
way back in 1997 there aren't a lot of covers of the song that don't sound just like the
original. But this is a really good one. It's by the echoing grain. It's from their 1997 album.
Hope Springs Eternal. Here is Words.
and the sound is coming out
the words are audible
but I have my doubts
that you realize
what has been said
you look at me
as if you're in a daze
it's like the feeling
at the end of the page
when you realize
you don't know what you just read
what a word's for
no one's
anyone
No one listens what it works for
No one deserves
There's no use talking all
Might as well go up and talk to a wall
If all the words are having no effect at all
It's a part of thing
Am I alone
Something is to happen
To change the direction
I've helped us through it's giving you the wrong impression
It's a song to say to myself
What a word's for
No one listens anyone
No one listens what a word's for
No one listens
There's no use to get on
Do you hear me
Do you can?
Do you hear me?
Do you can?
Do you can?
It's true any further and another thing we'll find.
Not only are they tough.
They are they deaf and dumb.
They could be going blind.
No one notices.
I think the time I handle you.
Media overload,
embody new affection.
It's getting there impossible to cause a distraction.
Someone answered me.
Before I pull out of the lock.
What a word's gone.
No one listens anymore.
What a word?
No one listens what it works for
And no one listens there's no use talking on
What it works for
And no one listens to anyone
And no one listens what it works for
And no one listens
There's no news talking about
Do you hear me? Do you hear me? Do you hear me? Do you hear me?
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