The Morning Stream - TMS 2870: Ice Booby Cream

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

Mexican Hawaiian Shirt. Scamming the Scammer. The Gamification of Uber! Isn't all Milk Breast Milk? The Morality of a Bagel. Matt Instruction Manual. Uber chicken. I don't like Kleptocracyyyyyyyyyyy!! Time Traveling Glitch. Cinnamon tools. 100% that bitch. You get NO WILLYS and NO DILLYS and no lt yarr! You only live once. Buzzhands. Lesbians in Subarus with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Curves, Weight and Girls one that won't say no taco bell gives me diarrhea talkabelle gives me diarrhea TakaBF MMSD the morning stream if you don't want the silver you got to take the lead stream for August 14th, 2025. We are one day away from my Korean brother's birthday. Everybody wished Matt a birthday. Happy birthday. At least we think it is. It was all 100% made up at the time. Nobody knows. It was a throw a dart at the calendar, basically, kind of thing. I mean, it was at least like the day that he was adopted, that you guys adopted him? No, we didn't get to pick it. It was the orphanage picked it. Yeah. It came on his cabbage patch doll one sheet, basically.

Yeah, basically. They gave us like some information or paperwork that said what his birthday was, but they had no actual information about that. Yeah. The Matt Instruction Manual is what, yeah. Yeah, we all actually think he's a little younger. We have a theory that he's younger than his age, his official age. I think he's closer to my age, but. Wait, then the documented age. He's younger than his documented age. Yeah. And they do that so arbitrarily. They kind of just, guess when those these kids were little uh at the orphanage so i don't know if there's a scientific way to do this like you get into a tree and count the rings or whatever right you know well it sure was a rainy season in uh south korea back yeah i don't know how you can do it maybe there's a DNA test or

something you can do that'll say how old a person is versus what we think he is you know i don't know we should ask lizzo because she's really good at those DNA tests oh yeah i've heard she sings about it a lot for sure she does yeah you'd think if she was 100% that that if she's allowed to do that then she must know um Brian I heard some audio yesterday that I had to share with you as a fellow comic book fan absolutely um I don't you don't hear Alan Moore talk much he doesn't do a lot of interviews kind of a people seem as a bit of a hermit he's a little bit of recluse yeah or a recluse if you prefer that sure unless you're talking brown the spiders right then those it's a brown recluse it's a spider that just really likes to hang out with its

fiddle shape on its back little bastards do you know my mom claims that she got bitten by a brown recluse uh when i was a kid and i'm thinking you'd have like the necrosis and the like the skin falling off and sort of thing wouldn't you if that was the case yeah is that a guy just good question is that a guaranteed thing if you get bit i don't know how it works with those maybe they maybe they uh i don't know maybe it varies or is there a treatment can you go straight to to the, to the, to the, to the sawbones and have avermectin. Yeah. Put a little cream on it.

I have no idea. That's right. Rope some dirt in it. Anyway, uh, Ellen Moore. Alan Moore. So he does this interview and he said something that stuck with me and I can't get it out of my head. And I'm going to play it now. And I think it explains a lot about where he is as a, as a creative, sort of the genius we hold him in that kind of esteem.

Sure. But also why he's so anti, don't make. my stuff in the movies. I don't like your adaptations. I don't like who owns the rights to my stuff, all that. He says this and he really stuck with me. Here you go. Comics, I would have to say, is one of the most sublime media in the world. It can do almost anything. I would also have to say that it is one of the most voracious and kleptocratic industries in the world. And until it's sorted itself out, or would probably advise you to avoid it, wait until it has proper publishers who are not based upon a policy of rigorously robbing every talented person that passes through

their hands. Now, this is him saying this in 2025, which I think is significant because it tells me that the comics world hasn't changed all that much. There's a little bit more like the, you know, the images of the world give creator rights that's a huge step in the right direction but I think in like mainstream like DC comic stuff yeah yeah

the publisher owned the rights and not the creators back I think it's still true isn't it somebody makes somebody new now let's say they make a new villain in the Spider-Man universe I don't know what that looks like we've got our buddy you know

Jerry Conway who created quite a few characters had a few characters under his belt i guess marvel owns those as opposed to it's not a co-ownership no he has no ownership take those to a yeah he has he has credit you know he can say oh yeah jerry comway

co-created the punisher or whatever right but he can't like take that to dc and say all right i'm going to start doing a punisher comic for dc i don't think he can go to marvel and do anything they have to hire him to do anything with it yeah right and the uh like

the one i always think about is um Todd McFarlane's Angela. Yeah. Because she was a spun character that then moved to Marvel, like Marvel. They bought her, right, or something? Is that the deal? Okay. I don't remember the deal on that, exactly.

But he probably got no money for it, or did he? Maybe he did because of his ownership in Image. There may have been something to do with Angela was originally designed for something they were doing before they started an image or maybe i don't know i'd have to dig it up yeah that's interesting um that that always seemed like such an interesting one because you know seeing a character hop from one um a modern comic company to another one that happened all the time before right like um uh i mean human torch technically i guess it was just marvel was under the original name when human torch was developed oh right all the corporate bull crap oh the check

Dr. Cahoon's saying that the Neil Gaiman created Angelin won her in a lawsuit. Oh, that's interesting. Oh, Neil Gaiman did. Okay, I thought that was a McFarlane creation because it was part of Spawn. I guess not. Okay. Well, I think it was originally Gaman created it for Spawn and the arc he wrote. But then that's interesting that I guess because it's in the Spawn.

See, I'm guessing as much credit as we give image, there's also issues there. There's just different kinds of issues. there too. Yeah. Let's not sleep on the fact of a new, a new word that I learned that I pretty much can get from context, which is kleptocracy. I love it. It's good, right? Yes, a kleptocracy. Yeah, I don't know. Can we call a government that? Probably. One that takes all the people's money. I think we certainly can. Yeah. Certain, certain governments for sure. Yeah. Sure. Why not? Anyway, also, yeah. Seek it out. Look for, just go out there in YouTube, like, do a search for, uh, I can't remember how I found it

somehow I'd look for I was looking for something to do with Swamp Thing and I can't remember how it happened so I click through it but I think if you just search for like Alan Moore interview 2025 you'll find it

and there's way more to it he talks way more than he's done in years and it gave me a better perspective on the guy I don't think he's so much of a hermit or a curmudgeon as he's just pissed at the industry and probably more aware than most people are about

the inner workings of the industry too yeah I mean he got screwed as much as anybody with his creations he's considered one of the greatest creators of all time and doesn't get not just the financial credit, but certainly sometimes not the even credit credit for some of the stuff he's done. So, you know, we all think,

we all look at Watchmen and go, all time, classic, change comics forever. Yeah, but he doesn't get jack shit for that now. It's all Marvel all the time. Or no, DC in that case. Or DC and, yeah, right. He's that. You know, Vertigo or whatever it was at the time.

Brian, you went, you got a story. Let's tell us the story. Yesterday. Yeah. I did some Ubering yesterday afternoon. Ubering, ride sharing, whatever. You know, I drove people around. I did my crazy taxi IRL.

Oh, nice. Do you play Offspring while you did it? Yeah, absolutely. Nothing but offspring on a loop. Come out and play. Nice. Anyway, and coming close to the end of my day, and I dropped somebody off in Westminster,

fairly close to my house. So I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to do maybe one or two more. I'm not going to accept any rides. that go out east. I'm only going to keep going west back towards the house. And while I'm driving my next to last ride, taking her back to her apartment, I get a new ride. And it's like, okay, this one's pretty close to pick up. I start driving there. And as is the case, sometimes when you are on your way to pick somebody up, you'll get a call. And it'll say Uber

in the call. And you answer, and there's a recording that plays for both you and the person calling that says, this is an automated message from Uber or a recorded call from Uber. Don't give out any personal information, blah, blah, blah. Because they really, at that point, even though they're calling you, they don't have your phone number. They're calling into an Uber line. The Uber line is calling you. So neither me nor the person have each other's real phone number.

Right. And... Do you have real names or just, you don't have any of that? I get their first name. The passenger, I just get their first name. Got it. so I answer and they say hi this is a Jacob from Uber support how are you I'm like oh good and immediately the hackles on the back of my neck go up because like this is this is this is

this is very similar already to how it started before they didn't call you know they called from the Uber passenger line as opposed to just a direct call from Uber so I'm about two three minutes away from the pickup spot and he starts to going, well, we had a passenger that said they were dropped off by an intoxicated woman. Now, I can tell you're not a woman, but have you been drinking, sir? I'm like, no, I haven't been drinking. Don't be, you know. And I'm saying, okay, now I know this is.

You kind of knew, right? I mean, there's no way. This is, like, right out of the playbook of what they did before when they at least got me to turn off the app and do all that stuff. I'm like, and so I'm already like, hey, you know, it's kind of a dangerous place for me to, to stop right now. Can you give me your direct number so I can just call you, get to a safe place and call you back? Oh, no, sir, you can't do that. We need to keep you on the line here. I'm like, oh, okay.

And the whole time I'm like, okay, you know, like, I'm knowing. It's fun to play along a little, right? Oh, my gosh. It's so fun. So he says, all right. So Brian, yep, looking at you right here, you're clearly not a woman, you're a bald man. I'm like, well, yeah, you can get that from the photo that comes up in Uber. And you drive, let's see, it's a gray key of soul.

Oh, yes, it is a great key of soul. I don't think of myself, like, I don't know that you can see that as well. Okay, you're still driving. Driving towards the pickup spot. And he says, okay, well, you know, it's policy that when you, when something like this gets reported, we need to do a we need you to turn off the app you need we'll cancel the ride are you go ahead and cancel the ride and then we'll find another driver for that passenger and I'm like well you guys are Uber can you not cancel the ride he says oh no I work in health or safety passenger safety so

I'm not able to cancel the ride I'm like really well that seems weird that you can't cancel the ride well I'm not in a safe place to do that so you'll have to wait until I get into a safe place like oh that's fine um let's see and i said and you're sure you're not a scammer right you're sure you're sure you're not a scammer and i finally you know i'm finally calling him out on oh no sir i understand and you know what we like that we like our our drivers to be diligent and recognize you know but i haven't asked you for any personal information yet have i'm like no you haven't you're about to i know it's coming and so i'm like so i'm like stalling him because if i can get to the pickup up spot. Then the timer starts, right? And after two minutes, he starts getting charged if nobody

gets into my car. Okay. And so right now at this point, whichever one of us cancels the ride, that person is already going to get charged. This is like one of those movies where they're tracing the call and if the guy hangs up at the right time, it'll end it. There's a guy holding, you know, keep him on the line. Keep him going. Keep him a little bit longer. That's great. So, but, you know, they do this little trick where they figure out a place where they can put the pushpin so you can't get close to it. In this case, it's in the middle of a lake. Oh, yeah, you're not driving out there.

No, but it's a residential area where everybody around that lake has a boat or a dock or whatever. They can go swimming or jump off. This is North, but it's really nice. And I'm able to pull my car into a driveway of one of these houses and get close enough to the pushpen that boom, the timer starts. Now, this is a two-minute timer that counts down. If they cancel the ride within those two minutes, they only get charged for the cancellation. But once it turns green, that means I'm getting paid more for waiting longer than two minutes

to pick somebody up. It's interesting. With Lyft, you have five minutes to get to the car and get in before you start getting charged. With Uber, you've got two minutes. You better be on your game. Better be ready. I'm surprised those are so disparate. That's weird. I'm too, because everything else between the two services is pretty darn close together, but that's a different thing.

So I pull in this driveway and the timer starts and he's like, okay, looks like you stopped. Can you go ahead and cancel that right? And I'm said, well, you know, I'm not really in a good place because the, you know, my back end is still kind of sticking out into the street. I'm kind of looking around, and I'm telling them all this, kind of looking around to see if there's a more safe place for me to park. because right now, if a car were to come around this corner, they totally hit me, even though I'm in somebody's driveway. And I'm kind of worried that they're going to come out and start being like, what are you doing in our driveway?

Yeah. So I'm waiting. I'm waiting. Yeah, still stalling. Ooh, not really in a place that I can do it. He says, well, all right. Well, so here's what, you know, go ahead and cancel the ride and then turn off the app. And then let me get your phone number so we can just give you a call in a director.

Oh, there it is. I'm like, now, wait a minute. Yeah. You said you weren't a scammer, but you're going to. clearly asking me for for personal information and uh so i say that to him and he says yeah well you look like a and he uses a homophobic slur oh well there you go on the show that comes out yeah that kind of seals the deal yeah cancels the ride with three seconds left before the before he starts getting charged you know they always does come down to they're just the worst people they really are

they really are the worst people man yeah they you know they can't just just scam you. They have to be the worst. The worst. Exactly the worst. Damn, dude. Well, good job, though. I love that. Keep him on the line. Keep him going. I got $3 and I wasted about 8 to 10

minutes of his time. I just wish I could have gotten more out of him. I mean, he was watching that timer just like I was and he wasn't going to do anything. And then, yep, bio-cow, absolutely 100%. As soon as that happened, reported them, reached out to Uber's support. They're really good, by the

and said, yep, here's the information, here's the drop-off point, pick-up point. They're able to look and see what the order is and immediately cancel that person's account so they don't do it to anybody else, but also like track the phone number, the credit card, or whatever. So I don't know what they do on there. That's those guys. But, yep. F those bastards.

Good job. I'm glad you didn't. I mean, obviously, you're prepared for this sort of thing. I'm prepared. I want more of them to call me because I may not get as much as I do for a regular ride, but I still get some money back for the fun. Yeah, and you're chilling, you're having a good time sitting there, you know. It becomes a game, like, where I can say, okay, the pushpin is in the middle of that warehouse.

What's the closest point I can get to that warehouse to get the, the timers there? I love it. I love it. All right. Well, that's awesome. So beware out there, people. Beware. That's right. Don't try and scam me, chumps. Jerks. It's time for a little bit of news. And turns out it's brought to you by.

It is brought to you by Coverville today happening earlier than usual because well I'll tell you why in a second but Steve Martin is turning 80 and Isaac Brock who's the lead singer of the band Modest Mouse is turning 50 or turned 50 last month so it's time for me to do a little double cover story featuring music of both artists

yes Steve Martin has done a lot of music both you know his originals he was the first he and Steve Martin and Chevy Chase were the first people to record my little buttercup even though that sounds like like an older song that's being that they just happen to cover for three

Amigos. It was written by Randy Newman and Steve Marty and Chevy were the first people to perform it. But that song he did for The Jerk with Bernadette Peters, that was not originally by him. So you'll hear a cover of that as well. As well as some modest mouse covers. It's going to happen right after TMS today because since the Nunnales are in town, they managed to snag a reservation today for Casa Benita. The people that they were visiting couldn't make it. So they invited Tina and I, we're going to go. Hell yeah. Get in there. A little Casa Benita, which is why I'm wearing

the Mexican Day of the Dead Hawaiian shirt today. Welcome, partner. You look like you could use some casadillas. Looks like Dad got custody this weekend. About some nachos. Well, that's awesome. We have time for about a story. Let's talk

about the breast milk flavored ice cream. Now, this isn't like, it's come up before. We've talked about the idea of this in previous episodes, years ago even. But this is one you can actually go out and get now. And we finally made it to market. There's a new ice cream available nationwide. If you haven't tried this, well, maybe it's been since you were a baby.

Who knows? Frida, the parent company, and Oddfellows, a small batch ice cream company based in New York City, a partner to release a limited number of breast milk-flavored ice cream pints nationwide. So you can get it anywhere with actual human breast milk. Yeah, terrific. yeah somebody can get a handle on these we'll try it on the air i'd try it well it says breast milk flavored ice cream

let's see uh let's say they launched the breast milk flavored ice cream earlier this year and understandably limited edition got a lot of attention now the viral flavor trying to see if they can tell if it's real yeah um to address the elephant in the room no frida and odd fellow's breast milk ice cream is not made of real human breast milk oh shit okay yeah well then there's no fun in that i'm almost A little bit of fun because you have to picture a dude in a tasting lab who's, uh, let me try the ice cream again. Nope. No.

No. Let's, I almost was more scared of a thing that tastes like breast milk instead of the actual thing. I don't know why. Sure. Yeah. I don't want to think about how they had to make it. I do love that guy, though. I haven't seen him in a while. Okay.

Yeah. Sorry. He's amazing. Sorry for triggering people's misophonia, by the way. Oh, is that a trigger to do that? Yes, that eating sound, that slurping, drinking sound, for sure. Interesting. I did not know that.

All right, well, guess what? That's the news. It's time for Wendy. Some good news. And we're going to play her thing if I can just find it. Where did I put her thing? There it is. You want therapy equipment?

Therapy equipment I got. That's right. Hey, everybody. It's my sister Wendy. She is our therapy Thursday expert. She comes on here every Thursday and talks about stuff that you, might find helpful in your own personal life. Wendy, hello and welcome back. Hi. Hi. How are you guys? How the heck are you? Doing well. Yeah. Last time we talked to you were in a car. You sound like you're in a nice

warm place today. Yeah. That car happened to have its check engine light started blinking last night. Uh-oh. I'm in the think of the figure out. Do you people know this? I did not know this. You Google that real quick and it means don't drive it. the check engine light. Yeah, if it flashes, it means you're going to rip through something and cause more damage. I didn't know that. When that came on in my Kia Soul, I pulled over, I opened the trunk, I'm sorry, open the hood. That was my first problem.

I checked, the engine was still there. I said, okay, I've checked the engine. Got back in the car and drove off. I mean, it's just telling you to check it. I did what it asked me to do. It told me to check the engine and it was still there. So did you, you did the right thing, though, pulled over, figured it out? Yeah, well, we were very, very close to home, so we just gently drove in.

And, but it has to be towed and fixed. And we are currently four drivers, two cars. Now we're four drivers, one car. And everyone needs to be everywhere at once. Of course. A lot of bike riding now in long distances is happening. Sure. The weather right now is good, that sort of thing, conducive.

And they're kids, they're just fine. but that's why I'm a little discompobulated because I just got off the phone with people. Oh, that's a lot of fun. I'm here. It's not still your Subaru, is it as a different car? No, I'm, my Subaru, that's so old. I know, that thing that lived forever. Why did you bring that up?

I know you're sad. And you're not even like the stereotype lesbian lady that owns one. You know what I mean? Oh, I love a lesbian in the Subaru. That's the best. You know, in back, there's a requirement in Boulder, Colorado, by the way. Yeah, you have to be a lesbian to do it. And you know what?

If you're in a snowstorm, you will notice the only cars off the road are not Subaru. Yeah. It's true. Yeah, no, they're awesome. They last forever. Subaru, Honda, and some Toyota's, I just think, you know, if you want to live, if you want your car to last forever, you just kind of stay in that zone. Yeah, just stay in the lane of the whatever they are.

Anyway, yeah. So thanks for letting me get that out. No worries. Now that that's out of your system, we can dive right into this great email you sent me. This is, I think, a pretty interesting one. And it is from Jay in Oregon who says, hey, Scott, Brian and Wendy, I've been trying to break a couple of bad habits and start a few new better ones. Nothing while, just like going to bed earlier and actually drinking water like a responsible

human being. But every time I start strong, I somehow slide back into my old ways. Case in point, I tried replacing my nightly eat a whole sleeve of cookies while scrolling TikTok ritual with read a book and have some tea ritual. Two nights in, I was back to my Oreo and algorithm combo like nothing had. changed. I really like how this person writes. This is fantastic. Why is this so incredibly hard to change this habit or habits like this, even when you really want to? It is just a will or is it just a willpower thing or is there some sneaky brain wiring at play here? We'd love to hear Wendy's take. And if Scott and Brian have any bizarre life hacks, I'm all ears. Thanks for making

Thursdays and mornings in general way better, Jay from Oregon. Boy, do I feel this one sometimes? This is a, this one hits home for me. And there are days where I'll justify this because I'm like, ah, today was hard and I'm all spent and burned out. I deserve this sleeve of cookies. Yeah, you kind of think you do. You talk yourself into it like, I deserve to sit here and eat a pint of ice cream and watch bad TV when really, you know, you really don't.

You should probably do the opposite of that when you're feeling that way. Well, actually, there's a great place to start because the deserve a little commentary. By the way, we watched Better Off Dead the other night with our kids. Oh, I love that. It took a minute for them to warm up. Like, why is this so slow? And why is this, you know, but then you get to it and there's such great lines, so many things. Anyway, but one being the, this just like, I don't even know now.

My brain just quit on me. Shoot. Uh-oh. Too many Oreos at night. No, no, no. Oh, yeah. Just kind of this idea of like you think you deserve something. Okay.

Oh, I want my $2. That was what was making me think about it. Anyway, I was like, how much it did deserve his $2, though? He did deserve $2. Yeah, but what our brain lying to us, right? So it's this great example. One of my kids was like, wow, you could just talk about suicide like this. This feels wrong.

Anyway, it was great. But the idea of like the brain lying to you, like you're better off dead. You should, you know, I should kill myself because, you know, girlfriend, whatever. Anyway. And so we started to. talking about how your brain lies to you, and this is a perfect example of your brain, guess what? Wants, Oreos, and TikTok. So think about it, and it's going to tell you anything to get it. So what it tells you is you deserve it, and guess what you believe that? Because everyone wants

to feel like they deserve something. So it's this, it's this interesting little cycle happening in your little brain, and you're like, yeah, I deserve it. When really, if we just took out the story that you deserve it and just look at the biology of it you're just craving rest energy relaxation

like you're you're craving things because it's been a long day right yeah so the so the energy the energy part being obviously you know food in this case sugar yeah right

and it's raw form sure okay and it takes raw process form yeah most positive Yeah, it's not like sugar cane. You're like, you know, I just want to chew on some sugar cane. Okay, but hold on.

So, yeah, like we have these very biological needs at the end of a busy day when we're tired. And now we have all these options to give our brain a thing it's craving. So it's craving some dopamine is craving, some endorphins. It's craving. Energy, it's craving, whatever, because it's depleted. Which is why we never make great choices, you know, If you're starving and you go into a grocery store or eat in a terrible restaurant, you're like, I don't care. If it's edible, give it to me.

Sure. Because we are in a desperate biological state, and that sort of shuts off the good decision-making parts of our brain. Right? So when this person, that's a great email, because it's like both the, you're actually biologically needing something at the end of the day, and then you ritualized that thing. So I love that use of that word because the sleeve of Oreos and the TikToks was saying, my biology is craving these couple things and I've created a fun little ritual that I do every night. So this is a habit that's been created and it's awesome, right? It has all the elements of a good habit.

The problem is the person doesn't want that actual behavior. Right. Right. So we just use similar principles to create the book and tea ritual. Right? Because a book and tea, they also want to do that. The difference is one is a slow drip of dopamine. The other one is a fast. Quick rush. Yeah. And so it's so easy to make something that has the quick rush more habitual because it's rewarded so readily and quickly, right? Which is why anything is addictive. You know, it has to have a couple of elements to make it so. But this just is built on. So if I could have Jay in front of me, I'd say, They are at how long have you been doing the Oreo and the TikTok? And they're like, oh, the minute TikTok came online. The minute Oreos made superstuff Oreo.

Yeah, as soon as there was a sleeve available to me or whatever. Okay. All right. So I would start with, and then, you know, you guys, we can work on one of your habits too. But I would start with this. So everyone think in your head, like, what's the thing you want to shift? Start in your head with why are you doing it? Like, why is it already so?

easy to go there and it might be something like the Oreos are on renewal shopping carts that just show up at your door like Amazon Amazon subscribe and subscribe yeah exactly

so they're just always available to so that could be one reason this is you know the why the Y is going to go from why there's Oreos right there in front of me and TikTok's always available to the deeper why which is I'm bored I'm lonely

I'm hungry, I need to sleep. Like there could be, you know, the Y is kind of, you know, oftentimes maybe be biological. And then there might be a social component to the why. Why is this what I'm doing? And instead of something else I want to be doing or should be doing or, yeah. So, so analyzing that can be helpful. So let's go through. We're going to take one for, we'll use theirs, of course.

And then also one of you share one of your things you want to change. All right. Got one. All right. I mean, I have many. Mine is mostly like this guys. It totally is. Last night, Kim made Shorma. It was amazing.

We made a video about it. I want everyone to have it tonight. It's fantastic food. So good. But it was so good. And she always makes double batches because she likes to give it to neighbors and all this kind of stuff. So there's always extra everywhere. And I had plenty there if I wanted seconds.

But I'm thinking to myself, this is plenty of food. It's good for me. actually. There's lots of, you know, Mediterranean-style food and, you know, pickled onions and, you know, stuff that's good for your guts and all that. And she uses ground turkey and lamb instead of beef, which is better, just less oily, less, you know, whatever. And so all these, it's actually a pretty healthy spread and it's olives and all these other things. So I go to eat it and I eat it so voraciously like it's never going to go, like I'm never going to have it again. Like it's the last swam on earth. Yeah. And it's so dumb. That in itself is dumb. Because

of course it's not going to be, but I'm just like, oh, this is so good. And then I give myself no time to start to fill full. Instead, I go, well, someone's got to eat this other, I got to have more of this. And I don't have my brain's going, no, you don't, don't. What are you doing? Why are you doing this? Why are you walking in there? Why is it on your plate already?

Why are we already outside eating it again, you know, all of these things? And I don't know why I freaking can't resist that kind of thing. And I think part of it is, I don't want to see anything go to waste. I have a real weird thing about that. And I think it comes. Who raised you? Well, that's I mean. I think it comes from like, especially in dad's case, especially after the business loss,

everything was tracked, carefully placed, spent, saved. Like we were just not, we were willy-nilly about nothing. And so for me, it was like, if one scrap of this is wasted, I've somehow failed the agriculture universe. and there were starving children in China. Yeah, of course. Can't forget the starving children. Yeah, I think a lot of us got that.

I mean, I remember hearing that and being like, what, but I still hate peas. Brian, what do you have? What do you have that's like one that jumps out? Pastries are my freaking downfall. Like, you know, I'll go to Panera for my free coffee in the morning. And it'll be, you know, like, oh, they're offering me a free or a, a one dollar bagel today if i just buy a bagel it's like all right you'll get a bagel do i get the the maybe just a plain bagel or a blueberry bagel or an onion bagel no i have to get their stupid

cinnamon crunch bagel which is you know a bagel that has been encrusted in some sort of sugary like you know like cobbler basically you know um so i i can't do that you know every day but i do it especially because i and here's my justification oh i feel bad because all i do is come in here and get the free coffee and you know they're they're not getting any additional money out of me you know i'll i'll throw them a buck yeah that's how they get you that's how i well that's how i justify it it's you know i don't need the bagel um i want the bagel but i would argue that is that's why they do that deal is they know people are going to oh for sure yeah they know people feel guilty or at least they'll be like, oh, you know what, a cherry Danish does sound good today or that

sort of thing. Yeah, and I didn't have to pay for coffee. I may as well just spend that money on it. Yeah, it works really well for them. It is genius. You know how much money they're making off their coffee that's free so much. It's unbelievable. And it's because, yeah, and they have, what we're going to go into is the four principles

of habit formation and they, they know them. They've paid someone really, really well to make this happen. And so we want to just. use the same tools to your advantage to get the thing you want out of this. So, okay, so let's go to both of, both of your stories, actually, is there a social component or a missing social component to either of your habits? That's interesting. I was alone because Kim went to take this food to neighbors, so I was eating on my own yesterday.

Which is part of the problem. Yeah. So she took off. so tell me how i just said it was part of the problem maybe you don't think it is but what do you uh how what what do you think that impact is on okay there would have been there here okay so the truth of it oh i lost brian i think there's video anyway Brian do you hear us his internet may have gone down all right we'll get we'll let him come back um the uh the if kim had been there and carter for that matter oh there you are hello instead of having you went away for a long time you're back

hello brian are you there oh i think he had a big he had a big glitch and that was some of the things he said between the glitch i think we just heard that was like a time traveling glitch oh no he has left his station all right anyway what i was going to say was yeah i was checking the router oh yeah you're good now that was weird and i totally till we shut the bed just now it's really weird and then it came back weird um anyway so i would say that if she had been home her and carter had been home they would have told me whoa dad slow down you're good don't it's not going anywhere or hey

you're not starving what do you like i would have had some of that feedback so the fact that they were gone i probably took a little advantage of that and went i'm all by myself do whatever i want Yeah, I think that happened a little bit. All right. So you're telling me on the regular, you have baby children telling you to slow down and eat. Well, she's 28, but. I know. Yeah, I wouldn't say on the regular, I would say that they are mindful of my goals, because I have some goals that I have some goals that I'm kind of loud about.

Like, I don't want any rice. I don't want any rice. Rice is my, you know, my kryptonite, blah, blah, blah. Like, different things like that. So they're hyper aware of where I want to be. So when I blatantly fly in the face of that, they're pretty quick to go, Dad, what are you doing? Yeah.

They're watching it happen in real time. Okay. All right. So there's maybe another piece to that. And then Brent, I'll ask about yours, is that you're not stopping to talk. You're not engaging over food the way food is meant to be engaged over. And the reason for that is it's. how our digestion works like it we've never ate alone historically or maybe we were caught a deer

and raw dog in it in the wilderness by ourselves but for the most part we are you know we're meant to communally eat. We truly are and our biology is indicative of that in the sense of the 20 minutes to even feel old is a serious amount of time. Now that might be because you're chewing on a bone or like whatever reasons it's delayed it's it really is delayed whereas our thirst quenching response is almost immediate right water will keep us alive food is optional in our biology which is not totally optional but pretty optional compared to water right well time wise yeah you can go what 30 you can hot minute yeah you go for a bit without quite a bit without food water you're done in a day or two or whatever it is yeah it's it's not great and so that so that from a biological

sense makes sense but modern food can you can eat so much of it without with high caloric density and low nutrition so you're still actually kind of hungry and still eating that and and then 20 minutes flies by and you're on your third serving and you're way past what you actually needed so it is just a setup for this right it is built for this in in terms of whatever and if you don't have the slow down of the social or your babysitters there right then you are you're going to keep repeating this okay so Brian let's do yours and then we'll get into the four principles and then this other guy yeah go ahead what is your oh sorry what is

your why why are you getting free copy what's the social part what's missing or not or needs or is there is there we lost Brian uh hold on yeah he fell out of the audio hold on crap hop back into clean feed. I think he just got kicked out of the clean feed as all. Oh, okay. Because I would make up this. Either Brian is going to meet someone there to have his free coffee, and then that's really appealing, right?

Sure. Oh, yeah. Heck yeah. It's just the free is appealing. And we should say it's not necessarily free as it is. That's bizarre. That thing you pay, I think it's 13 a month or whatever it is, Brian. pay for coffee and then you go in 1199 or whatever it is yeah yeah so it's not technically

free but it basically if you're using it often enough it's basically free like it yeah i mean it's cheaper like i did the math and figured how much it would cost for me to buy how many bags of coffee i would go through a month and and then take in the driving the time it takes to get over there because time is money uh so you know the drive over there is uh um is a factor as well, and it's still cheaper for me to go there and get it. Yeah, especially now because coffee's gone up, but, yeah. But, you know, just like Scott was saying about the shwarma, it is a matter of like, I've got to eat this as quickly as possible before my, before the angel on my shoulder

says, Brian, you don't need this. You don't need to eat the pastry. You don't need a muffin or a scone or whatever, the cinnamon crunch bagel or whatever it is. So it is a matter of like, yeah. you're not going through a drive-thru and saying, I want a coffee and they hand it to you. Oh, no, no, I go in. I go in because I take my own cup.

It's already got my non-fat creamer in there and my splendos. Like, basically, I walk in, I go boop, boop, bo-boop, bo-boop on the little iPad. I say hi to the names of all the employees that I know, all the employees. I know their names. And then I walk over to, in this case, the ice machine, get some ice put some coffee in there and i have a walk out with a nice iced coffee which already has my stuff in there okay and no one is saying do you want a bagel with that not even well the iPad does oh yeah the iPad says hey if you and here's how it gets you too it says if you uh

hit yes in the next next 10 seconds you get a bagel for a dollar like does it do that for you no yeah timing they have little timers and stuff for the little timer they've got They really have, and it freaking, well, it doesn't work every time. It often does, though. It often works. It often does. It's like, ooh, a bagel for a dollar, man. That feels like a good idea.

And then I get the worst possible bagel. I do love to think about the full-time employed human beings that have done all of this to you. Like, there's so many teams who've had a million Slack meetings because they need to trick you into doing this. Okay. So you're up against it. Like, this is not, this is, this is well orchestrated. It totally is. And the social part is, you know everybody's name, you have a familiar ritual.

Again, the word ritual, right? It is a ritual, yes. I'm getting so much out of this. And they have decided that $12 a month is not enough for what they're giving you. Right. But they're doing it all on purpose. So if you, so there is a social component. And the reason I'm asking about that, and I would ask this person about the sleeve of Oreo

and the TikTok. What is the social component about that habit? And it's likely you're interacting one-sidedly, usually, with people. You're getting, you're laughing. You're seeing how things work. You're getting your community maybe. Yeah, I'd say that. I mean, there as well.

There is a, you know, it's not like, it's not like they talk to me more when I'm getting a bagel than when I'm just getting coffee. I'm sitting there chatting with them for a good. good couple minutes and it's that same couple minutes whether or not i'm just putting ice and coffee in my cup or i'm waiting for them to toast and slice a bagel i don't get their cream cheese we have low fat philadelphia stuff here so at least there's that on my encrusted with sugar uh bagel sure so so at least that fat freeze there okay so here's what we're going to do we're going to take all three of your stories and we're going to add we're going to take the four principles this you can find this in James Clear's book, Atomic Habics, Habits.

But it's these four principles essentially to make anything become a habit. And so there's a loop that we all have. There's a cue, and the cue is maybe you see your cup in the morning and the craving is I want my coffee and the response is to go drive there, get the coffee, and then they use this exact thing to get you to buy the bagel. And then the reward is you get your iced coffee and you have your bagel, okay? And that, now there's your habit. Now, there's a whole other cycle of regret and all of those things, but that's, that's, we want to use the actual biology of this to help.

We'll start with the, right, the first, the first, uh, bad habit first. Yeah. Right. So in your case, we would say, okay, Q craving, those things are, you know, going and getting the coffee. Your response to how you meet that craving is the thing you want to adjust. And the way to adjust it is to, here's the four principles. You make it obvious. You make it obvious. what you want. You make it attractive. You make it easy and you make it satisfying. They have done that for you when it comes to what you're doing, right? So make it obvious is you decide before you go that you will only get your coffee, right? I don't know if it's written on your dashboard of your car, some way to make it very clear what your decision is. And you need to make that decision attractive right they've made that bagel really attractive they have sure you have to figure out how to make your decision more attractive and easy for you so don't read anything just know the button is no and click it without reading it maybe yeah i have to do something like this for

a lot of things yeah yeah and then make it satisfying so there needs to be something about not buying that bagel that is satisfying. Now, can you buy a bagel? I'll reward myself with a cherry pastry if I say no to the bagel. Perfect. Yeah. Or just really, really savour your coffee, right? Or enjoy the conversation. There are other ways to feel good in life that are not sugar. It's hard to to believe. But it's just a fast one. And one is the social part. One is the savoring of your coffee. another is enjoying the ritual of it like you know there's different things there so so scott yours would be tricky because you would you probably just need your babysitters to come help you eat sure um but it would be slowing down and savoring again this like how to make this more

satisfying because you were not eating for satisfaction no you're eating like it was going out of style though it was good you just didn't give it much time to actually taste good take out that you ate too much. Take out the judgment of that and just a socializing experience where you are with people you care about, having a chat, and you're really tasting the food. Doesn't that sound awesome? It is usually more like that when they're around now that you mention it. Or if I think about it, when they're around, when they don't take off as soon as it's made

and it's fresh and hot and they go to the neighbors, usually we're all there together and we're enjoying it, we're talking or whatever. And I would be much slower. much more thoughtful, much more mindful, and probably less likely to grab seconds or thirds than in the other scenario. In the other scenario, I feel like there's a clock ticking. It's weird. It's like, you're going to get caught sneaking the food.

Yeah. If I don't eat this quickly, I'm going to talk myself out of it. It's not just that. It's also like we're only on this planet once. And I know that seems like a far flung, esoteric way to think about it. But I just go, well, I'm not going to be here. It's not thinking. It's not thinking.

You're not rational at that point in time. Yeah, it's lying. Like there will never be food again is a lie. I deserve this as a lie. All of this stuff is your brain going, I got a great story that's going to justify what we're about to do. And it does. So for you, I would, in terms of just making it attractive and easy,

satisfying and obvious to do eat slowly, it's just wait until everyone's home. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I should have done. Right. Just have a rule. I eat with people and when I don't eat with people, I really slow down or I eat on a smaller plate or you have some other way to like make it more clear or easier for you

to follow what you want to follow as opposed to. If anything, it's worse right now because I made good strides in this area and lost weight and got into a place where I'm way better off overall and, you know, my most recent labs with the doctor are like, yeah, you're way better. All your stuff's in range. What'd you do? Oh, I just ate less. So I've like done the work, but I, there's just these moments of like, yeah.

Ah, screw it. That's your last chance. There's a rebound effect. This is why most dieters gain weight because we are built to handle starvation periods. And then, you know, feast and famine is really our biology. And so if we, we famine too much and there is food. everywhere we can't sustain a famine because we can actually get to food right so it's really tricky so slow and steady and maybe have a week where you two days where you just gorge

yourself to like let your body know you're not it's not the winter of 1918 or whatever it's really interesting the Minnesota where I live by the way on the Minnesota Starvation Study you should read it sometimes freaky-diki they would never do it now because it's super unethical but they just They put it, and hilariously, it's what most diets are, 1,500 calories. They put all these men on 1,500 calories a day for like a year and a half in order to see what would happen. Could they feed soldiers less? And they were trying to discover, like, what's the optimal amount of food?

And, I mean, it destroyed a lot of them for life to just be on what we would call a low-calorie diet. Yeah. And they would collect cookbooks. they would obsess about food like the amount and this was 1930 something maybe early 40s so it's not like they could go get Oreos right and so we have a our biology is no different and we so we can create problems for ourselves so I would be nice to yourself and figure this out um okay I want to answer the guy before we're in the town I want to answer the guy's thing really quick so those four principles let's let's take he's got a sleeve of Oreos and he's got his TikTok yeah so that

is obvious, attractive, easy, and satisfying. So if we want tea and a book, we need to make the decision and the habit what he wants to do, obvious. So number one, remove the Oreos. Number two, put your phone on bedtime mode or whatever, have your book available, an awesome book, like super exciting books you're looking forward. 100%. An awesome book. That's to make it attractive, right? We're making it easy by putting it out. We're having the tea pot right there, tea bought, and you need to make it very satisfying. So the way to make it satisfying, obviously, is the good book and your favorite tea, and to really relish that moment. And so you come back to it the next night. You've got to do it more than two nights

in a row, like they said, because you still probably have Oreos in the house. So get rid of the Oreos. Trust me on this. If the Oreos, it's something like four to five minutes, a craving may last, That's a long craving. That's like heroin. That's probably longer. But, you know. I get it. I know what you're saying, though.

Yeah. Is that for most food cravings or sort of muscle memory things, we've done it so many times. Our body just does it without us even knowing. You've got to give yourself time. On average, it takes about 66 days to change a habit. Oh, wow. That's way more than what people usually say it's two weeks, right? Yeah.

The three weeks, the 21 days was made up by a. Somebody wrote a self-help book. Some jerk. It's not based on any science. Some blower. Can you change a habit that quickly? Yeah, if it's a really easy one. But hard habits can take up to almost a year to change.

So I'm going to guess at the ripe old 60-day range, he could change this habit forever. You truly eliminate it. You no longer want to go to TikTok and you just sleep of Oreos at the end of the night. Like, it will be gone. But to extinguish it, you've got to follow it. other principles to make it really appealing to you, make it really easy to do, really satisfying all of those things, you're on your way. But most of us, what we do is we're like, that's hard and I don't want to, and then we go back to, it's just the easy thing. So, Scott, your homework is to

only eat with people. And Brian, yours is to make somehow this iced coffee and that socializing the most satisfying thing and say, no, no, no, no. And even give yourself. that part the reward yeah yeah make that reward say to yourself this is the reward easy just quickly hit no on everything as you scan out um whatever you got to do and maybe give yourself a time frame to to practice it so you have a little momentum yeah yeah for two weeks and i'm gonna get a coffee every day without a single pastry and then maybe i'll reward myself once but like that yeah i mean you know they've got they've got cinnamon over on the counter maybe you know when I successfully say no

a little tap of cinnamon into the coffee doesn't have any sugar a little flavor a little bit of a reward sure love it love it I love cinnamon put that on everything oh man of all the spices is there a better one I say no you'll be hard pressed to find one

well this is all good I would like this listener also to follow up feel like I want to hear how this goes we're all sharing a very similar experience I think Jay in Portland so or Oregon you know another Yeah, Jay and Oregon, make sure to buy the breast milk

flavored Oreos, and that'll keep you from eating the Oreos while you... Yeah, that'll do it. Or you know what? Even better, those weird Japanese ones or Chinese ones we got, eat those because they're terrible. Oh, God, they're horrible. Still have the box out here. No, they just are, they taste like... They're like floral. They taste like perfume. Yeah. Every time you take a bite,

it's like walking through a Macy's and a lady sprays you with their stuff. Okay, that's actually really great. The only Oreas you're allowed are the ones That are bad. And then I'll never eat another Oreo again. You really, it's to extinguish a behavior. Absolutely.

Okay. Also, I have a great idea. If everyone next week could bring some cinnamon with them. Okay. We're going to do the challenge. Is that what this is? I have an amazing trick with cinnamon. No way.

Cinnamon and sugar. If you have both, great. If you only have cinnamon, great. Everybody brings some, I will blow your mind. Oh, my gosh. If it's a way to make it mix in water without. clumping or rising to the top. I'm all for it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's not it.

Okay. That does not happen. Bring some cinnamon and sugar. That thing's a bastard about that. We'll do it. No Better You.com. Everybody go sign up for future stuff. You lazy butts, get in there. Yeah, by the way, decisions have been altered and made, and we are starting a brand new class.

We're not going to go back to health and PE in September. I know that's maybe not. It's what was written for a long time and expected. But very fun, new changes. So I'm very excited. But the class, a new class, it's a working title. But it's, so I started talking a little bit about happiness and some of our other episodes because that is what I'm all about today.

And so it's a happiness class. Oh, nice. The science of happiness and how to freaking feel it more. That's going to be great. That would be, awesome. It's not open for registry or anything yet. But you can go to the website and see we're making some changes and doing something. something differently.

Get on the list so that you know when it becomes available. That's right. Give her your free information, everybody. She is not a scammer. No scammer here. And bring your cinnamon next time. I'm telling you. Okay.

I'm going to make a note. We're bringing cinnamon. It's happening. Bring them separate. Yeah. Yeah. I'll bring. You want it in powder form, right?

Yeah. And if it's cinnamon sugar, awesome. If it's just like you have just like cinnamon in your cupboard and you don't have a cinnamon sugar mix, but great. All right. Should I make, if I can make a sugar-cinamine mix, I have all the tools. Should I mix it before? Yeah, put a little bowl.

You don't need a lot. Could I just bring a shot of fireball? Is that, because that's kind of. No? Oh, man. That's a shame. All right, we'll do it. Wendy, have a fantastic week.

We'll see you next time. All right, Brian. Yes, sir. Got to get some word out here. Anybody listening to this in the food business? Let's say you make Oreos. I don't care. Wherever you are, whatever you do, if you want me and Brian to do,

do foodie tests of the things you make and do it right here on the air. Get an email to Scott at frogpants.biz. That's B-I-Z. We want your snacks. All right. After all of that talk with Wendy, we want to make sure to just turn this car around.

It's kind of funny timing. Yeah. I was going to mention it earlier, but now it's sounding ironic. But anyway, we do want your snacks and they can be healthy snack. We don't care what they are. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. But if you're anybody anywhere working the food adjacent world of a distribution or wholesale or you're the you know the some kind of small indie farm putting together bottled stuff whatever it is we are interested in doing that we want to have more foodie

segments here on the show that's scott at frogpants.biz or you can find all that on the website and let us know quick reminder about shows today get tms friday tomorrow actually monica will be joining us is the teenth episode so she'll be here uh coverville today it'll uh not 11 but right after the show at right away yeah yeah soon as we're done to give me like 15 minutes to Reset. And so starting by 1015, 1030, but the, you know, the countdown will start well before then. So you'll be able to jump in there. Be ready for that. And core today, 1 p.m. got a big core today. So I say that every time. It's always big. So I don't know why I say that. It's just always huge. Carve out four hours of your life and check out of core happening today at 1 p.m. FilmSack this weekend we're doing the new War of the Worlds with Ice Cube because it's so bad we have to. Brian watched it last night. Yeah, how to go.

this is one i swear to god scott every once in all we get a movie where it's like oh i was wish i was watching this with a live watch along with the film sack guys this is that time because um you know so many jokes that that i make don't translate well to me typing them in a note because it's like that really just applies to that moment but um as you watch it make a little note how many times you see Ice Cube go, get out of there! Oh no.

There's a lot of, it's almost like his catchphrase in this film, get out of there! Great, great. Well, from the humble beginnings of NWA and the early days with his rap career all the way to this, boy, how far we've come.

I can't tell you how many times I checked how much time was left in the movie. Like doing the little, the little gentle tap on the Apple room It's like, oh, God, there's still 45 minutes. Be one of those where you wish there was a way to cut out all the silent moments and then just play it like that. Exactly. Well, I'll know that, I guess, better tonight because I'm watching it after core.

Cool. I would like to feel brain dead on Friday and Saturday. So, lots of fun. Anyway, that's all coming up this weekend. And all those shows are available all the places you get your shows. Frogpants.com slash TMS is the place for us to tell you to go. that'll be the place where you can sign up for stuff get song requests, all that sort of thing.

Speaking of which, Brian's got a song. What are we playing? Yeah, this is an artist named L. Bell, E-L-L-E-B-E-E-L-L-E. And I love how Buzz Hands, or I'm sorry, BuzzBands, that's a much better name for a music review site. BuzzBans L.A. reviewed her as, it sounds like the national as an 80s pop band.

Boy, couldn't describe it better myself. This is the new single, Treat Me Right, by L. Bell. Oh, this sounds great. I was just thinking about L. Fanning. I know there's no connection. No relations.

As a matter of fact, I described the artist as a she, he's a he. Oh, well, there you go. It's not even, we're not even in the same universe. Anyway,

but to put a bow on that, I would say I'm very excited about Predator Badlands. Anyway, uh, sure. That's going to do it for us. Thank you guys for listening.

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