The Morning Stream - TMS 2894: Sean Spoiler

Episode Date: September 29, 2025

Red On Air Dog. Scotty Potty Pudding And Pie, Bumps the Girls and Makes Them Cry. A Duet About Ugliness. Chuck-a-lucks in my Thin Mints. A Fighty Little Movie. Isn't Istanbul Constantinople? Cuz I'd like really wanted to know. 10,000 Groundhog Days. Wake Me Up Before October! (WHAM!). One Dirk Diggler After Another. Schmawn Schmen. Three Dog Nights at the Johnsons. The best Ability is Availability. Double-Blind Placebo-Free Study. 40 Seconds of Mars! Science Doesn't Care About Your Feelings with Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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The morning stream. Get your bleep and tannico out of my face. Hello everybody and welcome to TMS. It's a brand new week. It's Monday, September 29th. It is 2025. I am Scott Johnson. That is Brian Abbott. That's right. The penultimate day of September. Almost done. We've almost completed and achieved September. Billy Joe was sleeping. No. That's right.

Yeah, he still is. Tomorrow we need to wake him up. That's right. That's right. He says when September ends. He doesn't say after September ends. Like after it's over. No.

He wants to be woken up as it's ending. 1159 right before the first, right? Right, exactly. Somebody calling him. Tomorrow shortly before midnight, wake up, Billy Joe. I'm sure that guy has never heard any jokes like that in his life. I know, never ever. I'm sure he hates,

I'm sure he hates this time of year like Timberlake hates man. Yeah. Although, I guess so the deal with Billy Joe is his dad died and the songs about that. And then somebody asked him, is it okay that we make these jokes about September? And he says, I don't care.

It's fine. Go ahead and do what you want. But there's no way that it's not a little annoying to him. Just a little bit. Maybe a little bit. Or maybe he welcomes the, the life, the positive life that it's taken on, like the comedic joy that people get out of it and maybe that lessens the grief that he might still feel.

Yeah, it could be. Maybe he'll come on the show and tell us how he really feels, you know? Yeah, see if we can get that going. Brian, you saw a movie I wanted to see and I didn't get a chance because I'm not going to go along. I'm going to wait for Kim. Yeah, no, this is a good one to see with Kim. It is, the movie is called One Battle After Another. which sounds it sounds way more well I mean it is fighty it's violent it's it's at times a little gory

a little graphic but this is the brand new Paul Thomas Anderson film and it feels like a Paul Thomas Anderson film although you think with the DiCaprio that it'd be a Scorsese film but no but no but it's a Paul Thomas it's a PTA film they get to finally do it after we're talking about a film sack that he turned down the role of Dirk Dixon Diggler all those years ago, regretted it. I don't know if he turned it down or some conflict. I can remember what the deal was. Right.

He was doing another film at the time he had to pass on Dirk Diggler. And so they finally get to work together. Any work or any recommended Marky Mark to do it? And that ended up being kind of a career defining moment for him. And then those two work together in The Departed. And then here we are full circle. Finally we are. Exactly.

Yeah. But this is, this is great. This is one of those films I was talking with TV's Travis over socials over the weekend and there's nobody who phones in a performance here. Like DiCaprio's excellent, Benicio del Toro. It's a different role for Del Toro where he's

he's just a nice guy who just wants to kind of help everybody out and be cool. Oh, that's nice. I like that. Regina Hall is so, his daughter holy cow Chase

Infinity she is she's one of these actresses that I think we're going to see a ton of stuff from in the future she is really really good

I don't know if this must be new I think this might be her first film but she's just just wait we're going to be talking about her moving forward because she was fantastic you even get one of the Haim sisters

Alana Haim, who I think is... She's the licorice pizza one? She's the licorice pizza one. Yeah, she must be Paul Thomas Anderson's favorite Heim's sister. Yeah, he likes to have his... He brings his people with him sometimes. Yes, yes. All the O'Toore directors do that.

Have you noticed that? They all have people they pull around. Yeah. If Philip Seymour Hoffman were still with us, he would have been in this film. And I don't know. I think he would have been, he might have been the Benicio del Toro character.

He wouldn't have been your main guy, though. no but he he would have been in this thing um it is uh god it is so good but the person who steals the show from me steals the movie every scene he's in and that's why i think if anyone in this film is going to get oscar recognition it's going to be sean penn sean pen plays this this military dude um lockjaw stephen lockjaw and he is um he you can't You can't look away from him in this film. He commands your attention every time he's on screen and he plays this really twisted, warped, dude's got some problems kind of thing.

But you kind of, there are times you're kind of rooting for him, but you're mostly rooting against him. But yeah, he's really good. I don't know what Jim John says, second spoiler. I don't even know what the first spoiler. I think he's saying that you're mentioning actors in movies they act in, and that's somehow a spoiler. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, I told you Sean Penn is in this. Darn it, I'm sorry, Jim Johns.

Yeah, I don't think that counts as a spoiler, Jim. No, I'll just say his name rhymes with Schman Schmen. There you go. And that, you know, if you know, you know. Yeah, he was married to Madonna. That's not a spoiler. Exactly, exactly. But I just saw him last night and the thing I'm going to recommend it when Nicole's here next

week. Oh, cool. Yeah, and it's nothing like I expected. It's not a movie, movie. It's a documentary that blew my effing mind. I can't wait to talk about it. But anyway, sorry, continue on. I wonder if I know what that is. I'm so shocked by it. It has a connection to our show in a weird way. Really? Oh, because of early clips that we played on this show, like in the first, yeah. Yeah. What I went in expecting is not what I came out with. I was blown away by it. I can't wait to talk about it. Anyway. Yeah. Okay, cool. How you like that, Jim Johns? I didn't even say the name. oh wait shit i did john sean pens in it shit oh you blew it now yeah people now people are gonna know exactly what it is um anyway uh highly recommend you go see uh one battle after another uh in theater

see it with a crowd crowds for for a movie like this it's like a pulp fiction kind of thing right where oh shoot i mentioned another film darn it jim johns um oh just don't say who's in it don't say who's in that oh crap i almost said samuel l jackson and john travolta oh no All right, Jim Johns, we're done teasing you. You're all right. Anyway, it's excellent. Go see it in the theater with a crowd. It is very, very, very good.

Nice. I can't wait. I like all his movies, so I'm excited to see it. Yeah. I don't know if this is a breed thing, but can someone out there tell me if Wimeriner's are unnaturally sad when their owners go somewhere? Because I know a lot of dogs, they get a little person sick, you know.

They're like, where's my person? Whatever. but Carter was at the Comic-Con all weekend, the fan X here in Salt Lake City. She stayed downtown with her friends, ran a booth, did the whole thing, had a great time.

We'll talk about it later on the Monday show, but she was there that entire time. And it took that whole time for Ripley to finally get okay and comfortable with hanging out with me alone. And then by the time she's kind of okay. And this is after a couple of barf sessions because she's nervous

and she's shaking at night and where's my purse and this and that. Finally she's starting to like be, all right, well, I guess this is my new normal. And then Carter comes home and then it all resets. Is that a breed thing? I don't know. I mean, because Ripley, well, I guess Ripley is more your dog.

No, Ripley's her dog. Oh, Ripley's her dog? Yeah, Rainer's my dog. Rainer's your dog. I'm sorry, yes, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah. Oh, right, right, right. You were talking about Ripley's the one more Rainer.

Yeah. Yeah. So she, Rainer's just normal freak show like she always is. Red on, red on air dog. Red on air dog. And Boomer was super chill the whole time. Like, you know, I'm having three dog night over here. And they're all basically behaving. But Ripley's acting like it was 9-11.

Like she was just so. Oh. So out of it and so sad. And it didn't matter what I did. She just looked at me with these big stupid eyeballs going. I know she's here. Where is she? You know, kind of thing.

When's my people coming back? Yeah. And the answer is yesterday. And the answer is now, it's all reset. So when Carter goes somewhere again, I got to do this all over again. It drives me freaking nuts. I saw something on socials that made me excited because you've tinted at it here on the show.

Tell me about what's going on with Uncle Cousin. Uncle Cousin, yeah. So my niece Rainey moved to New York a couple weeks ago, three weeks ago, because she's going to acting school. She's going to fame, basically. The school from fame, she's going to be in fame. Yeah.

She went out to New York to an acting school. And one of her new roommates said, hey, create a routine that you can do every week that tethers you back to home and you won't get homesick. You know, people get homesick when they come out to do this. And this is a good way to kind of prevent all that from happening and still maintain, like basically gives you an outlet to get all that stuff that you need from home. so you can focus the 99% of the rest of the time on acting on school. I'm going to try this on the dog, by the way, later. There you go. Yeah, nice. Give her a routine. Actually, it's probably pretty good. But the reason for the name is because technically Rainey's my cousin.

But because of the way George and I grew up in the same house, fighting all the time like brothers, his daughters just naturally started calling me, uncle, and Tina, and Aunt Tina and Uncle Brian. Nice. And so we decided after like several names, like that was the first name they came out and we kind of laughed at because it's so dumb. And then we started looking for other names that we were coming up with for the show. And everything's taken by like eight other podcasts. So we're like, you know what? Uncle Cousin is kind of funny actually.

I like it sounds like we should have a banjo music intro but I love it I think it's a really really great name it's memorable rolls off the tongue it's exactly what it is exactly and so we put up the first video up on YouTube Sunday yesterday and so go check it out you hear all about what what it's like going to acting school and it's far more intense right from the get-go right from jump than I would have expected to be, but her school is in the basement of a Broadway theater that is an active still, you know, active Broadway theater. It's got Jonathan Graff up there playing what's the movies in, Blink or Twitch or or some one word thing that I can't. Can't remember. Yeah. But anyway. Twitch, isn't it? No. Glitch? No. I'm looking it up really quick because he was Seymour in Little Shopper Horrors. Tweek. I can't think of it.

I can't think of it. He was obviously he was Hamilton, the wasn't he the Hamilton guy? Wait, not in, you don't mean Hamilton, Hamilton, Hamilton. Hamilton. Hamilton. Oh, he is in Hamilton. He was in the, who was, he was

in the original, the original cast. Yeah, the original film. The Disney Plus, live film. He was King George. He was... Oh, the guy from Mine Hunter. Yes. Yes. Gruff. Jonathan Gruff. Yeah, but what's the one-name thing? Yes, I don't know. It's something brand new and I'm looking to see. I can't find it and I'm not going to spend it. You know, the rumors are they've got the script all polished up and they're going forward to the new season of that. We're going to get some Bill Tinch closure. Really? Yeah. I'm so exciting.

Oh, my God. That'd be awesome. That'd be amazing. Yeah. That's right. Kristoff from Frozen. He is, he is that and that. Oh, I forgot about that too. Yeah. Yeah. Well, anyway. Yeah. So. Matrix revolutions. He was in really. Resurrections. Huh. Didn't know. Okay. Yeah. He was the bad guy-ish dude in Resurrections. Okay. Oh, Resurrections. That's right. The, the more recent one. The recent, terrible one. Yes. Okay. I mean, not terrible. Whatever. It's for somebody. It ain't for me. That movie didn't work for me. Yeah. I tried. Anyway. Anyway, check it out. So, yeah, so she's bumped into him multiple times to talk about that. So, yeah, go check out. It's Uncle Cousin. It's on the

Coverville YouTube channel, which I'm guessing is just YouTube.com slash Coverville. Might be at Coverville sometimes. It might be at Coverville. I can't remember if I... Depends when you locked it in. Yeah. Because they do it different now. They used to do it.

Right. You know, you just get a real name and now they have the ad in there. I don't know why they do that, but it's dumb. Anyway. Well, there you have it. Check it out. But then Wednesday, in two days, October 1st, patreon.com slash rock puzzles monthly it's all approved and through the setup and um you can start signing up i've got a very limited number of sets of playtesters so if you if you want to if you

can guarantee me that you're going to give me feedback i've got a reduced price um because i still have to you know produce the puzzles for you and stuff but you'll get a reduced price subscription but i mean even even the regular subscription's cheap um it's less than a cup of coffee every month So that'll be coming patreon.com slash rock puzzles monthly on October 1st. And if you missed us talking about that, get your puzzles on. If you guys like, you like trivia, you like pub trivia, like anything in that vein, you're going to love this thing. Go get signed up. Exactly.

There's even a free puzzle. If you go to rock puzzles monthly.com, you can download a free puzzle. There's been a ton of people, by the way, who've grabbed that. And some people are like, oh, yeah, figured it out in 10 seconds. other people like hey you give me a little bit of a nudge yeah these are this is the way it should go happy to give nudge is happy to help um because puzzles are meant to be fun not meant to frustrate the hell out of you so yeah it's also a good sign that you've got a good tricky puzzle yes exactly it's kind of the it's kind of the thing i aim for it's like i want people to feel

proud when they figure it out and not feel like oh well i just had to connect the dots one two three four five it yeah yeah so get over there get it done all right guys check it out we got got a game to play and we got somebody sitting in for somebody else because the other person I'm talking about is not in town. I don't have to say any of this. I just have to play this. Welcome to the program. One TV's Travis. Travis Crawford joining us in place of Brian Dunaway who is traveling right now. So he is not here. Travis, welcome to the show. Hi there. How's it going? Oh, hey, man. Hey, is this your, it's like your second week in a row in the half-asses, I think, or something. I did tad Pooley feud last week

Oh that's what it was Okay Well we're happy to have you in any form We get you in I hope you're happy to sit in When Brian is unavailable Yeah It's a it's and I promise

It's not just because you have a login And it's easy for us I just call it No but that doesn't hurt It doesn't hurt It's exactly what exactly what I was gonna say And plus jokes on us You're into it

Yeah you're into it You're into the shit Yeah And like they always say The best ability is availability That's right Is that what they say I like that. I like that. All right. I'm glad to have you here, but what's really important is that we compete head-to-head. Brian's got the rules. He's got the people we're playing for. Brian, tell us all about it. Let's see how this goes.

Sure. Welcome to the morning. Half-ass is a trivia game where I'm actually going to be giving you to the answers. I'm going to give Scott and Brian a category and six possible answers, three of which are correct. And three, like getting spaghetti sauce on your pristine, clean, white t-shirt is incorrect. Depending on how confident you feel with the category can provide one, two, or three guests. But if you get any wrong, you get zero points for that round. Get one right, gets you a point. Get two right, gets you three points. And three right gets you five points. We're going to add up all those points at the end. And award prizes to not you, but the people you're playing for. You're guys playing for some contestants.

We pulled from the Patreon, Scott. You are playing for Bob Mentionton. I think that's right. Mentionton. Mentionton. Menfrenfrengenson. Well, Mr. Manfredson, it's a jump. Travis, you're going to be playing for Brian Mitchell Young.

Sounds a little familiar, but not the same young we're thinking of. By the way, I found this goofy kid. He's probably 12. It just makes the most annoying TikTok videos, and his name is Justin Young, and I'd like to forward him to Justin Robert Young all the time. He hates it. He just sends me F words and says this is a hate crime. I'm sure he does.

All right. all right well i'm happy to play for these guys let's see how this goes well all right sounds good your first category let me refresh because i'm guessing you guys are seeing a uh gray screen there we go yeah we're talking all right uh category number one cities located further south than new york city speaking of new york city where my niece is which of these cities are further south the new york city paris beijing soul istanbul katmandu and And Rome. Oh, man.

Oh, Dr. Calhoun is Brian Mitchell Young. I didn't know that. That's why you mentioned you're another Brian. Oh, I figured his real name, last name was Calhoun. It was Calhoun. I did too, yeah. I need to know more now. Brian Mitchell, Young Calhoun, Sengen.

Sengen's and Esquare. All right. Conservative choice of two today. Oh, I shouldn't tell you that. I chose all three. There you, yeah. All right. Well, he's working.

We're going to lock those in. That's fine. I'm going to be all right. Okay. Both of you've locked in. Actually, both of you did lock in on two. First one you guys locked in on was Rome. Let's just get this out of the way right now.

Rome is, so New York City, by the way, is 40.7 degrees north, the 40.7th parallel, or I don't know if you call it that. Sadly, Rome is north of New York. Yeah. 42 degrees north the three answers and you guys got the other two Beijing, Seoul and Kathmandu

crap I knew Seoul was for sure I thought Rome was a trick question because it's kind of you know on the edge It feels south right I mean it's south and it's southern in its oh no I guess it's not it's more central in the boot

in the boot I knew I knew Paris was north and so I figured Rome being south of Paris made sense But I did, when I did this, I did Soul Catman doing Istanbul. I thought Beijing was further north. So I thought Istanbul was further south than it is. Used to be never, isn't it Constantinople now?

Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. You know, that song did nothing but confuse me more. I was going to say, yeah, it's nobody's business but the Turks. That's right. Stupid Turks. Let's go to language. And how about words, English words,

that originated in languages of the indigenous peoples of the Americas. Which of these words originated in languages of the indigenous? None of these words did, because I can't pronounce them. People's of the Americas. Your choices are horse, bison, chipmunk, woodchuck, turkey, and opossum. All animals today. Oh, man. Oh, man.

Yeah. Um. Is it possible that that's, yeah, I'm doing these two. Okay. All right. I'm scared. Look at you guys. You guys both, let's see.

So, Scott, you chose bison and chipmunk. T.V. Travis, you chose bison, turkey and a possum. Oh, bold moves happening over there. Yes, when for three. I'm going to tell you right now that chipmunk and a possum, I'm going to tell you right now, those two are correct. Damn it. What about bison, though?

What about turkey? No. I already know I didn't get it. All of these are making me hungry. That's true. I guess so, right? Because I told you. Well, bison and turkey, both incorrect.

The other one was Woodchuck. Woodchuck, opossum, and chipmunk were originated in indigenous people's languages. So bison is such a, that's such a carrot to grab, like, because we think of the bison roaming free and all that. Exactly. Yeah, Woodchuck and Chipmunk both come from the Algonquin. This is one I can't pronounce. Algonquin. Thank you. Languages. And a possum came from Powhatan. Oh, it's all makes sense to me now that you say them. Poitomee. All right. Let's go to the last one. Maybe you guys will have better luck with this because this is music related and it's country music related.

Oh, my favorite. Yeah, exactly. Which of these are actual titles of country songs? Oh, shit. Your choices are. She's acting single. I'm drinking doubles. She got the ring and I got the finger.

He were so ugly I couldn't drink him purdy. You're the reason our kids are ugly. If she wasn't so good looking, I might have seen the train. And baby, I might not be Elvis, but at least I ain't dead. Oh, man. Three of these are real actual country sung titles. Three of them are equally hilarious, but not. I mean, they all could be.

They all could be. She got the ring. I got the finger. Amazing. My favorite is, he were so ugly. I couldn't drink him purdy. Yeah. I'm going to be conservative here at the end for zero to zero.

So I don't like these like. He scare me, because this is where Travis or Brian just whoop me in the end. No guts, no glory. All right. Well, let's look at, uh, let's look at, she's acting single, I'm drinking doubles. TV's Travis, you selected that one. Probably right. That is a real song by Gary Stewart.

She's acting single, I'm drinking doubles. All right. Uh, let's look at, uh, you mentioned you really liked it. You didn't. Nobody chose it, but she got the ring and I got the finger. Shit. That's a real one. That's by Chuck Mead.

Okay. Man, these are names I've never heard of these people. Yeah. All right. Well, the third one is a duet by Conway Twitty and Loretta Lynn. And it's called, you're the reason our kids are ugly. Unfortunately, that means we have a scoreless. Wait, that's a duet where they tell each other.

I love it. As soon as I heard about it, I'm like, I got to go listen to this. song and it is it's great it's like you know go listen to it after the show today but it's fantastic i love it that's amazing all right that means we have to go to a tiebreaker and um damn it uh let's oh this is kind of interesting all right hmm well let's go with this one sounds yeah all right um oh do i like this one better oh i like this one better because it's a good movie one and and uh you guys both like movies you both really like this movie sure um i'm gonna let tvs travis decide if he wants to guess at the number or or make scott or make scott guess at

the number and then give you the over under oh oh i will make scott guess and i will take the over under okay all right scott yeah in the film groundhog day how many times is Bill Murray's character seen reliving Groundhog Day? Seen reliving. Seen reliving. Because I know he says a whole lot more than he's seen. Correct. And we'll talk about

what Harold Ramos himself has said about that. But... Okay. Uh, 25. 25 is incorrect. Travis is the actual number higher or lower than 25.

25 is incorrect. I am going to say higher. It is higher, but only barely, 38. 38 times we see Bill and Murray reliving Groundhog Day, although Ramos estimated the film portrayed a 30 to 40 year loop. Yeah. So he was trapped, according to Harold Ramos, he was trapped in that thing for 30 to 40 years. Yeah, and the movie made a reference to some 10,000 plus something, right?

Or somebody said something in it. Somebody said, yeah, somebody said that he said, The Harold Remus might have even said that that he estimated that Phil went through everything 10,000 times. Well, what's his name sure as Heckfire remembered him, you know? Oh, Neil knows. I guess, yeah, Bobby's right. It's like, yeah, it's 50% higher. But I guess compared to the 10,000 times you went through the loop, it's barely higher.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're talking about relative position on that scale, everybody. That's pretty close. So congratulations. Bing, you got it. TV's Travis, you win the prize for Brian Mitchell Young. Brian is going to get a copy of Venba

and Ten Hearts on good old games. Nice. But don't worry, Bob Mentionton. You're getting a copy of Fate, the traitor soul, also on good old games. All of these, big thanks to Grievous for donating them. Yep, no, it's come

to you in your, I should tell this to people so they know where to look for them, but these always come to you in your private DMs on Discord. Not sorry. Patreon. I don't know why I said that. I was trying to clarify things and muddied the water. Patreon is where I send them. So that's because that's where you signed up. That's where I'm sending them. So you watch for that and your little private messages over there. Some people said, hey, I think I won the other day, but I never saw a code. And I was like, checker Patreon message. That's where you need to look. Yeah. So do that. Travis, I was going to tell you something. What was it? Travis also saw one battle after another in love it. Oh, do you like it too? You're a big fan. Oh, so good. I'm so excited, dude.

Can't wait to see it. I'm really curious what the middle-aged people in the audience were thinking about certain scenes in that movie, because I don't think they were prepared for them. I know I wasn't. Also, before that movie, they played a trailer for Chainsaw Man, which I don't know if either of you are familiar with that anime at all. I know. I watched an episode, and my daughter and her friend, Alicia, watched the whole thing. That's all I know about. In my theater, watching that trailer, I wish I had a video of it because they had no idea what was happening.

Really? It was amazing. that's awesome i mean a guy has a chainsaw grow out of his face in the trailer and these people were just like i don't i literally heard them say well i'm skipping that one yeah that's got a following that thing was a huge hit so uh watch out morph chainsaw man coming your way okay i remember i was going to ask you i wanted to ask you this is kind of a trivia question for Travis all right do you can you name off the top of your head the movie that clin eastwood and charlie sheen were in together oh oh oh

because I'd forgotten it existed and then I saw a thing that reminded me it existed and also there's a backstory about that now and I don't want to spoil any of it because it's worth saying. Now he's going to use it for name that movie tomorrow. Great. No, I can't. It was 1990s

The Rookie. Oh, yes. He was a veteran cop Eastwood. Charlie's his younger partner. It's an action crime thing. It's all kind of done in the Clint Eastwood, Tough Guy style stuff. I'd forgotten that existed. I think I've even seen this and I still, I don't, I don't know that it was all that memorable, but I learned this, I learned something in this documentary I saw about those two

that blew my freaking mind. I can't believe how excited I am about a Charlie Sheen documentary, you guys. I'll talk about it next week, but I was going to say, how long did you last, keeping it a secret? Well, I mean, everyone's probably got the, you know, they've figured it out, but it didn't. I can't wait to hear what you think about the ice cubes. That's the, that's the the amount. Holy shit. I didn't know about that till this. I had never heard about the freaking ice cube thing. And they, and they talk all about that story. This thing is some raw, honest business. It might be my favorite documentary I've seen in years and I can't stand charging. Wow. Yeah. But it's so, do you like him a little bit? Do you dislike him a little bit less after seeing it? I just have, I have so much a better context for his life now that I understand him more. I still think he's a good. His hot messness is still a hot mess. Yeah, I mean, it just brought out dushiness that was, that was, I was going to say hidden, but it wasn't hidden. No.

But it emphasized the duchiness. I'll just tell you, I'll tell you this, Martin Sheen, the man is an angel. I'm sure he is. Yeah, I'm sure he was super supportive during all this. It's absolutely wild how supportive. You guys got to see it. Anyway, I'll go way deeper next week, but it blew my mind. Didn't expect it.

Travis, having you here is always a treat. People check out his show, of course. Of course, why haven't? No, hey, everybody, you haven't seen it. What is it? Give me the title. Yeah, close enough. Wait, you haven't seen.

Is what that's called. I got that right. The very first time, I'll fix it in post. Anyway, we found out during this that K. K. Katsumi has never seen Groundhog Day. So I'm sure you've done a weight you haven't seen with, Ground Hug Day, but boy, it feels like, this one almost, do you need to... I have not, so you've never seen it. Oh, no, I've seen it.

Okay. I haven't done an episode on it. Yeah, but you haven't done an episode on it. Oh. I keep my spreadsheet of potential episodes close at hand at all times, so... Cool. I almost peed a little when I heard you hadn't seen it. Well, that's fantastic.

Travis, thanks for sitting in, and we'll see you next time. All right. Cool. That was fun as usual. all right we have now to bring in another friend of the program the one the only the Bobby Frankenberger I can't find it where does the science thing go there it is

science Bob is hungry and the soup looks good I feel like we have been devoid of quality science content for too long and Bobby you're here to bring it to us what's going on man well um I'm doing great

how are you guys doing good man good we've missed you here missed you yeah feels like it's been i don't know why it feels like it's been a long time feels like it's been three whole weeks it feels like it's been more than that which is the weird thing yeah that's the weird bit oh i'll get you on video here too maybe it feels maybe it feels like that to you you're like yeah i didn't miss you guys yeah you guys are just puss um i know i know i definitely like coming on here i think i miss the i miss the connection to scientific knowledge you know it's actually some legitimate stuff for us to discuss on the show instead of naked

and disheveled flight attendants locked in bathrooms yeah yeah great way of putting it so having there's some science to that is there some science we can talk about for that there's science everywhere Brian that's what's so great I love that good excellent everywhere you look there's just a little bit of science

around the corner well Bobby let's get into it I'm sure you've had something something brewing for a while my original plan today was I've been I've been I started marathon training again and um good lord yeah it's so good lord it sounds hard it sounds so hard to me but you do i don't know how you do it whatever it's it is really hard but i just started and so my whole plan for today was i've been doing some reading or i was going to be doing some reading about

how our muscles gain energy and you know i know brian you do the the the bike race and so we've talked about that before and so i was going to be doing some reading about that before and so i was going to talk a bit about that. But this weekend, I got a little distracted by two things. First was Hades 2. Oh my gosh, dude. I watched Scott play some of that. I'm like, okay, I can't wait to, I'm still loving the first Hades. So I'm in no hurry to get to the second one. Yeah, take your time. Hades is probably a perfect game. Hades was already such a all-timer. I can't believe they're, at the very least, equaling in a couple of ways

surpassing it with this new one. I don't know how they do it. It's some of the like cutscene dialogue, like some of the only games, one of the only games I can think of where I'm not tempted to zip through the cutscene dialogue to get to the action because it's so well written.

They also respect your time. This is something people don't really think about when they're playing that game. But that game's got a lot of interstitial stuff between runs where you are learning more, getting world building, character building. But it does it in these little chunks that don't feel like they're overstaying.

they just tell you and you get a nice meaningful thing and then you're off to another run and it never feels like oh my gosh I got to talk to this guy again I don't know how they pulled that off but it's the perfect mix of that every game mechanic every game mechanic is is sort of like fits into the world in the story perfectly and like it's it's great but that's the other thing I was distracted by this weekend was thinking about

out Tylenol and pregnant people. Oh, really? I wonder why that came out. Out of nowhere, really. I heard from a reputable source that only good it can happen. Yeah, only good. Only good. Don't do bad can happen. Only can have good happen or something. It can only have good happen.

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This is Canada like you've never heard it before. Listen to Canada land, wherever you get your podcasts. Acast helps creators launch, grow, and monetize their podcasts everywhere. Acast.com You know, I do want to say a little bit that because I was hanging out with my family this weekend and they wanted to make fun of the way that Trump can't pronounce a acetaminophen and the way that he can't and and that's all in good fun and we love doing that but i do want to say that like if you focus too much on that you're you're you're criticizing the man

for all the wrong things that's that's the least of all the evils oh sure no it's uh but uh really for me it's just one extra thing to criticize him for right right but it is fun i will say it is very fun um but uh but i wanted to talk about that because and i know a lot of people have been talking about it all over the place, but I wanted to not rant about how terrible RFK Jr. and Trump are, which by the way, yeah, doctor. So I was looking at a picture on an article of the three of them up at the press conference, and the thought struck me that if you had sent this image back to me in the late 90s and told me that this guy who is every once in a while on the Oprah Winfrey show and the host of this show who was on Home Alone would be standing up there with the

worst of the Kennedys telling us all about what we have to like that I would have I don't I don't know that just just blows my mind anyway yeah if you could go back in time you would freak your past self out if you would have sent me that same picture and said one of these people had a brain worm I would have said well that's a toss up yeah they share one goes all the way between that thing is starving anyway go ahead so so there was a whole press press conference talking about Tylenol and it being connected to autism and i wanted to talk about what the what the science is about that not just to say it's all not true which it mostly is not true but there is some motivation behind like i want i think it's helpful to understand where do these things come from what motivates these kinds of announcements and why is this happening you know it's feels so out of nowhere but it it it is motivated by an agenda and also there are like like a lot of people are just like where how are they supporting this at all but there is um there are studies that have that they're using to support it and it helps to know um what is wrong with those

studies and and what we do know and and so that you can have a firm understanding of what's true and also if you're engaging in an argument with people you can just you don't you don't have to just rely on how poorly Trump can pronounce things you can also have a few facts behind it yeah have a few facts good the people i see talk about it keep referring to a Harvard study can you speak to that a little bit like what is that study and why is that so central to those who think this is a good idea that they got up and made this announcement and kind of demonized the product and then kind of walked it back. Oz came out like two days later and said, well, if you're pregnant and you're, you know, go ahead and, you know, work with your doctor,

but it's fine. Tylenol is still probably your safest method during pregnancy. Like he kind of walked it back. But what's this Harvard study? Do you know what's going on with that? So I don't know about the Harvard study in particular. I do know about a study that was done with, In Sweden, that is being used to support a lot of this idea of Tylenol. But the thing is, RFK Jr. uses scientific evidence, kind of like a drunk uses a lamp post. Which for support rather than illumination. No, I've never heard that before. You're going to say it's a place to pee, but I like your, I like the other part of yours better.

Yeah, it's an old, it's an old saying, like a drunk. use the lamp post for support rather than illumination. I've never heard that before. I love it, though. Yeah, and so there are mountains of evidence that have been built up over decades that show that have been done by very good scientists that show that autism is dominantly a genetic condition, right? It's not really environmental. And that's RFK juniors.

If we're talking about motivation, that's kind of his motivation behind a lot of this stuff, is to show that autism has environmental causes. And that's sort of like a dog whistle for vaccines, right? And many of these pseudoscience people, one of their methods for getting their agenda pushed forward is using like a wedge method, which is if you can sort of wedge your way into the direction that you want to go in,

which is, in this case, is showing, you want to show that vaccines cause autism well if we can first figure out a way to get the public to accept that autism could be caused by environmental reasons then that gets us a step closer right because that means it's not it's not predominantly genetic it's actually it's actually environmental which is not true all right so we know that that's that it's really not true um but there have been some scientific studies that have come around that have looked at all this stuff and one of them was so you were you were mentioning a Harvard study like I said I'm not I know that there are several preliminary studies that have looked at Tylenol use during pregnancy and it's linked to autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders not just autism and they've they've shown that using autism during pregnancies linked somehow to an increased risk and these are all preliminary studies that's important to note because it means that there's not a lot of follow-up things that

have been done that you do in good science to to make them more rigorous and and make us more confident in their results right but there was one that was done on a Swedish national database of nearly eight almost 186,000 children right so they they looked at and a lot of countries in Europe, they collect just a lot of data on people in the medical system. It's a pretty big sample size, that number. Yeah. 186,000 children is quite a lot. Yeah. And what the review found

was that there seemed to be a tiny increased risk of neurodevelopmental disorders with Tylenol use during pregnancy. Right. And they know this because people will come in and they'll answer surveys about the types of medication you used while you were pregnant. Or, you know, if there were a lot

of doctor visits, you know, every time they come in. What medications have you been taking in the last few weeks? Stuff like that. So they know. Now, the first thing you've got to think about is when you hear something like that, especially when it's a tiny risk, is what are the confounding factors? Do you know what I mean by confounding factors? Confounding. Interesting. Confounding. Compounding? No, confounding meaning something that's getting in the way. The classic examples of like what in science, what a confounding factor is, is is that if you look at the statistics, ice cream sales increase at the same time

that crime rates increase. So you could try to link them together and say, well, as one of them causes the other, or people deal with a crime by going out and getting a frosty. Well, I've heard the whole causality versus causation. Is that what we're talking about? So that's what a confounding factor is.

Right. So causation would, if you were trying to imply causation there, you might say, oh, well, eating ice cream causes people to go commit crimes, right? Right. Because of this data. But it could be that there's a confounding factor, which is that increased daylight in the summertime causes ice cream sales to go up and also causes crime rates to go up. Oh, that's, okay. So something that may connect the two. something that is connected that it's causing both of them to happen. Or another fun one is time spent studying has sometimes been like the more you, the more, if you take a big sampling of a bunch of people, the more you study, the lower your grades get. And so you might think, well, studying just makes you get bad grades. But what could be a confounding factor there is that is the difficulty of the class you're taking. The harder the class is, the more time you might spend studying. And also, the,

the lower your grades will tend to be overall. Right. Right. Yeah. So anyway. Sorry. For quick correction, I said something else. I meant correlation versus causation. Thanks, Sarah, next in the chat. So keep your emails to themselves. Save some data where you need those for AI stuff. Okay, go. We don't need your well actually is for that one. No, we're good. So a confounding factor in this situation might be that there's something else going on that's causing both pregnant people to need to take Tylenol. and also their children to be born with autism. We don't know what that is necessarily, but there could be something else, right?

Maybe it's that there's a genetic predisposition. There's some genetic thing that makes pregnant people, a pregnant person more likely to get a fever, and that same genetic thing also, you know, increases the likelihood that their children will have autism, right? We don't know what that thing is, But it could exist. It's not, it's totally conceivable that that could exist.

So good science says we need to figure out a way to control for that, a way to eliminate that possibility. Design some studies or some statistical analyses to figure out how can we test to see that this maybe not isn't happening. A very common way that this is done is through what's called a sibling control analysis. because if you're trying to test for genetic factors you want to find a situation where the genetics are the same but the circumstances

maybe are different right and so see if if the genetics are the same and the circumstances are different and then you get different results then those then you make sense you attribute it to the circumstances

you've at least ruled out genetics right right right so that's what they did That's what people have done with this same study, with the Swedish study with all these children that showed a tiny increased risk of neurodevelopmental disorders. They did a sibling control analysis. They looked at mothers who have had two children, one where they took Tylenol during the pregnancy, and one where they didn't. It's as simple as that, right? And what do you think they found? I'm going to guess that Tylenol had no effect.

They found that when you controlled for those factors in the system, sibling control analysis, the risk factors completely disappeared. So, unlikely that it was the Tylenol because they found that those people, the risk stayed the same, is what I'm saying. I may have said, I may have worded that weirdly and kind of implied the opposite. What I mean, to be clear, what I'm saying is that when they looked at people who did take Tylenol on one pregnancy and didn't on the other, the risk of their children having autism was the same was equal yeah right yeah no one wasn't higher than the other yeah right the Tylenol didn't see doesn't seem to have affected that um at least the Tylenol itself now you could say that there's other things going on who knows but it doesn't seem like the Tylenol itself

affected that also they looked at another thing which is if you if if an external environmental factor is causing something say taking a medication or exposure to a toxic in or something in the environment, then you would expect to see what's called a dose response curve, which means the more you're exposed to that environmental factor, the more your risk factor should increase, right? They looked at that with all this data as well, and they found that there was no dose response at all. It didn't matter how much Tylenol the pregnant people were taking.

it didn't seem to affect the likelihood that children would be born with autism. Yeah, bad news for me is taking Tylenol for a headache doesn't even actually work for me. It doesn't do anything. Although, I mean, that's just me. Prophan works for me, Tylenol never does. But if I, the other day, I took two Tylenol, extra strength, adult, and then threw a bunch of toothpicks on the floor. And I couldn't tell you how many were in that pile. You couldn't say definitely, definitely 398 toothpicks.

No, no, but I did have a serious urge to watch Judge Wapner later. I had to watch Wapner. No, none of that happened. Yeah, it's interesting, though. Like the scientific method is great, right? But that's what you're describing. We just have a new, it's a new political football. And that's why I'm frustrated by it, because I would rather say, oh, is there a possible link?

So-and-so says so. All right, let's try some tests that we'll see if we can narrow that down. Oh, looks like we're wrong. or it looks like we're right, or whatever the results are, and then you move on to new questions. That's the point of it. I love that. More of that, please. We have learned from decades and decades and decades,

more than 100 years of using the scientific method that we're just not good at looking at data that comes in and making decisions. You know, you look at, take this situation as an example, RFK Jr., already thinks that, that autism is caused by these external factors in the environment like vaccines. So you see some evidence that helps support you

and you're like, see, there you go. Well, science doesn't work that way. We calmly look at it and we say, okay, well let's, it's built on disproving things, right? We say, okay, that evidence supports what I, what I think, but let's try to prove this wrong

because if we can prove it wrong, then we know it's not support because it's wrong. but if we if we continue to try and try and try and prove this wrong and we can't then that that strengthens the position of that evidence right yeah also just the concept of proving something right or proving something wrong is at the core of my issue with all of it it's not that science is trying to prove something quote unquote right or wrong which is very subjective language it's that it's trying to just see what is and that's what i want i want i want what

is. I don't want what serves my biases or my narratives or, you know, I may, I have predispositions like everybody else does. We're human. Sure. I don't want stuff that just feeds into my predispositions. I want things that are and then the methods that were used to determine

what they are. And then then I'm good, you know? Right. Because the bottom line is, yeah. Because the bottom line is that the science and the truth doesn't care about your beliefs. Right. Yeah. People hate that statement, but it's It's so true, though.

It's so true, yeah. But they don't like it because, again, we're so predisposed to feel like we're being dismissed if someone says, science doesn't care about your opinion. Like, you want to. Exactly. People are so weird about that. And just the phrase doesn't care about your opinion is like, that's where people get all. It's like, well, it feels like an attack.

Yeah. Yeah. Odds don't care what the last roll of the dice were in craps. No. Nope. Right. Yeah, exactly. If you go to Vegas.

the odds don't care about how much you want to win. The odds don't care about how much debt you're in. Right. How much you need the money. Right. Exactly. So it would be really easy for us to just laugh at them and I mean of course it's not because we know that

encouraging people not to use Tylenol while they're pregnant is dangerous because untreated pain and untreated fever during pregnancy actually does have risks. Trump even said during this whole press conference well it's easy to just don't do it and are encouraging pregnant people to tough it out,

which ignore the, like, forget about the fact that, that, like, all that statement exists inside, like, a history of discounting women's symptoms and medicine. But also, it's just dangerous to not treat those things. Are you saying, are you saying, come back later and walk it back? So you're not, so you're saying that, that just minimizing, telling people to rub dirt in it and walk it off

is not a good medical solution in life. Weird. Is that you're saying? Weird. Yeah, I know. Weird to hear. But so we could easily say like, oh, these people are just idiots. That would be easy for us to say. But I believe that it's more insidious than that. Yeah. I believe, as I've already alluded to,

that this is the beginnings of a wedge method of trying to eventually lead to what he's already showing that he's trying to do, which is get rid of vaccines, because he believes that vaccines are linked to autism and other harms in people. I did enjoy how pissed anti-vaxers got after the Tylenol thing

because they were like, wait, you saved this big moment of the triumvirate of idiots who are going to get up and finally get vaccines out of our lives and they got up and said Tylenol is the problem. So they were like pissed off

all the anti-vaxers. Like, no, no, it's the vaccines that cause the autism, not the other thing. Well, and this is speculation, this part of it from me, but I've heard some other people say the same thing on some sources that I read, that it feels like Trump, you can say this

about any time Trump gets up and speaks, but it feels like he wasn't supposed to say all that. It feels like he was like in a meeting before this press conference and they were saying, we're going to talk about Tylenol and autism. And then the second half of the conversation was this is how this fits inside a larger strategy for make America healthy again, right? right. And but then so then he just went on and talked about the second half, which is the larger strategy of a, and that's when he started talking about the MMR, the MMR vaccine and wanting to split the MMR vaccine into separate shots, which by the way, that sounds like, oh, makes sense. But that's effectively saying we're not going to give the MMR vaccine anymore for a lot of reasons. One of the one of the insidious reasons is that not too long ago, They said that they're doing this gold standard science thing with vaccines where they're just, they're not going to, every new vaccine has to be FDA approved, right? I think we talked about this one time.

But you cannot, you can't have a double-blind placebo-controlled study on a vaccine that already exists and is standard of care, which each part of the MMR vaccine is. So by saying we're going to split them apart, you're effectively saying we're never going to use them again. because they would never get approved because no studies would get approved by a review board and so that's why, again, that's speculation I'm not, but it feels very devious

what's going on, yeah. Because it is. Yeah. Pricks, buttholes. I don't care if you yell at me on YouTube or anywhere else. Those guys are jackasses. F that shit. Anyway, hey, Bobby,

as always, good to have you on. get a little political anger out. Nothing wrong with that. Yeah. Well, I've stopped trying to be, this is a direct attack. Like this whole, these four years are going to be directly attacking science. So I've stopped trying to be quiet about it. Yeah, I'm not, I got no more.

I got, I'm all out of poops. That's a medical condition of a whole different, but I got no, I got no more. They're all gone. Hey, don't forget to check out your cool science podcast, which happened on the weekly. Tell folks about it and what you're up to these days. It's called All Around Science. My co-host, Mora, and I, we talk about science and just fun stuff that we like to talk about with science. We're actually this week just today we are doing a feed swap with another cool science podcast called Oceanography, which they do a lot of cool science communication about ocean science, marine science.

So check that out. I really like the guy who does these interviews with all these marine scientists and does a really good job of it. but you can find that on our feed all around science as well as all the other weekly science stuff we talk about. Yeah, all the time. And if you see him playing in Hades, just know that he's there to save the underworld from forces that they're out to kill him.

So mode it be. Yeah, so mode it be. I hate that phrase in the game. It's the only thing I don't like. Everything else is great, but that phrase the noise of hell out of me. Anyway, hey, Bobby, take it easy and we'll see you next time. All right, there he goes.

Very good. I have, I got one thing to play for people. a phone call we've held since last week and I want to play it. This is from Duku. Who do we usually have in the chat with a Duku name? Maybe it is him. I'm actually not sure. Yeah, I don't know. I can't think of a Duku that isn't count.

But is there somebody who just comes in as Duku? I'm not sure. But he's got a Star Wars thought, which makes sense because his name is Duku. And here's what he has to say. Dear Sibolba and Bosque, you mentioned John Williams liking classical music more than movie scores. Lucas and Williams used whole stuff. the planet's suite as inspiration for Star Wars. For Mars, Holst wrote a war-sounding theme for the bringer of war. In it, you can hear inspiration for the empire's themes as well as inspiration for things like Gladiator. Listen to about the last 40 seconds of Mars, and you will hear the moment where

Luke is about to blow up the Death Star. So, the Star Wars soundtrack is also a cover, sort of. Love the show, though. Love it. Great info. That's cool. Yeah. I need to go listen to that because I want to, because I know what he's talking about, the Luke part, which is like, d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-. Oh, I thought it was the da-da-da-da-da. Oh, I thought he said right when they were about to blow up the Death Star, didn't he say? Hold on. Yeah, and you'll hear the moment where... Let's see, where is it? Isn't it when he's talking to Ben and the X-Wing and they do the little refrain that da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Oh, maybe. Oh, no, I-cour is saying,

you're right. Never mind. I'm confusing the two then. Well, I want to hear, I want to go hear all that. I've never heard that stuff. I don't think I've heard it. Like I haven't heard that whole suite. So it'd be fun to check that out. And I didn't realize William. I mean, it's funny.

It's like inspiration versus cover. Yeah, right. That's a weird distinction, right? It's a, I mean, there's a lot of things that are, that are inspired. But then there are things like there's a couple Billy Joel songs where he actually uses classical songs that were influential to him in the melodies. And that's, that's technically a cover. but being inspired by him doesn't make it a cover. Yeah.

Well, thank you. We appreciate that, Duku. That's super cool. Yeah. You were a jerk in the prequels, but we like you here. You're nice. Hey, we got a classic mashup to play after the song today. So stick around for it.

This one's called Classic Mashup Sharpech Chokley. And I believe it's based on a bunch of film sack stuff where nobody knows how to say words right. I don't know for sure. Oh, right. We're talking about the dude from District 9. I'm pretty sure he comes up in that. I was thinking it was about Deepak Chopra or something, but no, that's exactly what it comes from.

I think that's it. Yeah. I was thinking about this. You know what you ought to do is throw the mashups in the Monday music folder. And then when you grab my song, you'll automatically grab the mashup too. And then you won't accidentally forget to include at the end of the show. That, you know what? You guys can't see this.

Brian can see it. on my on the notes i made a gigantic with font size that i use almost 18 points there it is 18 point uh size thing with giant red letters says classic mashup and post after the song that's mostly a note to me to not forget it yes so brian is right to have this like this is a great idea i'm doing it now it is literally the biggest thing you know a spreadsheet except for the on time drop down that never never changes doesn't change and the and the other good news is now it's in there So if you want to hear it without having a scrub to it. Oh, that's a good point.

Now you have access to it. I can do that. Life just improved for everybody involved. Look at that. Anyway, stick around for that. That's coming up after this. In the meantime, frogpants.com is our website. You will find everything you need to know there.

And that's going to do it for us. Brian, let's play a song and leave these people to whatever the hell they're doing today. Okay. Well, let's see. J.G. wrote in and said, my boss, despite being a demanding schedule with work and family, has a deep passion for creating music.

I'm inspired by how much he's able to achieve, and I want others to hear what's possible when you pour your heart into your craft. Also, kudos on the show updates. I was cautious at first, but the first week was great. Love the show, though. And based on the day he was writing this,

this was when we did the big switch to hour-long episodes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I even, we've had nothing but happy times. since then it's all good that's great that's great to hear all right so let's get to it this is a band uh indie band so it's indie today but by request so it's combo um this is shadows divide is the artist comes from a single that they've just released this is brand new the song is called conquer

living deep inside of me a fire that won't burn out you can try to break my will just know i won't back down so just Stand and face me, the last one standing, All right of me face your ending now This is war Now I will Have my victory tonight

and all we'll see are brought under the lights. This is my time. But my time to wear the crown. Watch your kingdom fall as I stand tall and know there's nothing. I can't conquer. And I will conquer. alive with everyone in fear you think you're invincible

but let me make things clear is that all your violence I'll leave you silence all you will be a faded memory now this is worn I will have my victory tonight You pretend you're the king and all will see a fraud under the lights

This is my time My time to wear the crown Watch your kingdom fall as I stand tall And no there's nothing I can't conquer I've been afraid I've always been pushed to the ground obstinacy and waves of tears

It's time to stand up now I will Have my victory tonight You pretend you're the king in all We'll see a fraud under the lights This is my time My time to wear the crown Watch your kingdom fall as I stand tall

And know there's nothing I can't conquer And I will conquer And I will conquer And I will conquer And I will conquer Now all I see crumbling, lost in his story, goodbye.

I'll see the sun. Yeah, what's her boobies mom? What's her boobies? Can I give her name? The one that showed her boobs a lot when she was in horror movies. Now she's great. Oh, Jamie Lee Curtis.

Yeah, Jamie Le Curtis's mom. What's her name? Hold on. I know it. Oh, like a... You do it. It's like a name. name you would have if you lived

in Cuba. A little bit of a Hispanic last name. Yeah, like a Cuban name. Okay, you're headed there. Rosio O'Donelson. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, Sabrina Maria von Treacle pants. I don't know. Starts with a G. Oh, Gina, Gina, Gina Perez,

Gina of Roseette, Rosie. Gina, hold on, Gina Davis, no, Gina Chit. Gina Chit. Give me the first name, first letter of the last name. T. Torres, Gina Torres. A.K. Rowling did the artful Avenger or whatever. Oh, yeah.

The Systematic Democrat. What was that book called? Yeah, what was that? That was something weird. The efficacious penumbulum. By the way, she has not been nominated for Best Director since she directed what's his name's penis in the piano. So there's that.

Oh, really Harvey Keitel's Penes? Yeah, Harvey Keitel's Swing and Dinger. Can you name one other thing about the best? that movie. There's a piano in it, and his wiener, and then Molly, or Holly, uh, Hunt, or who is it? Who's in that? Holly Barry. I'm not going to say it, because I want to see if you can come up with something besides Harvey Catchell's penis. Uh, it's really shocking and it's all I remember. Helen Hunt, not Helen Hunt, Molly, it's not Helen Hunt. Oh my God, your son was you've like put all, you've got the, all the pieces. You just need to put them together. Holly Hunter, there,

these. There we go. Had that charpock chokly or whatever's name is, as a mad docmer. What's his name? That was beautiful. Charcalaoclea or something. What is it? Charkalot. Poclea. What's his name?

He was in the District 9 thing. Right? The District 9 guy? Am I thinking of the right guy? Yes. You're thinking of the right guy, but I want you to figure out his name right now. No. Charac.

Charpac. No? Just start with the first name. Charpac. No. Not even close. Also, no. Let me try it again.

Charlie. Charlie O. Charleo. Charlie. This is great. This is not it. Last name's easier than I give it credit. What's his last name?

Chop. Choply. Choply? Choply. Choply? No. Charpock Choply. This is like, did a close-pegnola get out of jail free card? It really is. This show is part of the Frog Band Network. Yes.

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