The Morning Stream - TMS 2916: Ninjas Stole My Woman

Episode Date: November 5, 2025

Weird Banging to Leonard Cohen. Cussin' Dunaway. Schwarzenegger Face. Salad with a side of Pizza. A taste of The Duke. Alan Moore. Never Happy. Paging Doctor Blonde Guy. We Went Gay Instead! Deep Frying Your Bicycle Seat. Is pizza a pie because I really want to know? Dark Ass Syrup. Put on your Guy Fawkes mask and burn stuff. Willow and the other girl. A car full of ravioli. What Most People Call Warm is Cold with Tom and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

When you gaze upon the clouds, what do you see? Elephants, a train, perhaps your mother-in-law's face twisted into an intense expression of judgment. No matter what you see, see your way to patreon.com slash TMS today. Coming up on the morning stream, weird banging to Leonard Cohen. Cussin Dunaway. Schwartanegar face. Salad with a side of pizza. A taste of the Duke.

Alan Moore, never happy. Paging Dr. Blonde guy. We went gay instead. Deep frying your bite. bicycle seat. Is pizza a pie because I like really wanted to know? Dark ass syrup. Put on your guy fox mask and burn stuff. Willow and the other girl. A car full of ravioli. What most people call warm is cold with Tom and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Mine, you brought a posse to my best hideout and you asked me if I mind. What is it? She's only your girl, because she ain't had a taste of the Duke yet. This is the morning stream. Hello, everybody, and welcome to TMS.

It is Wednesday, November 5th. It is 2025. I'm Scott Johnson. That's Brian. Hi, Brian. Hello. Remember, remember the 5th of November. That's right. Get on your guy fox mask and I don't know, burn stuff. I don't know.

Who did we, who did we discover, did the, was behind the mask for part of the movie before they replaced him with Hugo Weaving? Oh, right. We did learn that when we saw that. Yeah. I forgot. It was weird. It was like a surprise. Yeah, like it was somebody that they originally cast before Hugo Weaving and they filmed a bunch of scenes and had Hugo do the voice over this person's acting. Yeah. But the first part of it. But it was actually somebody we all knew, right?

It was like a familiar name. It was another actor that we knew, yeah. I can't remember who it was, though. Who was under the mask in V4 Vendetta? I'm actually... I think it was Eric Stolls, but thank you, but too. I love the reference, though. I love it.

I like that. Oh, it was James Purfoy. That's who it was. James Purfoy, because we saw him in something recently. Yeah. for film sack and that's what made us go back and discover he was yeah it was

it was uh oh that's interesting I didn't know this this is probably another reason Alan Moore's pissed in the comic Alan Moore by David Lloyd and Alan Moore V's identity is deliberately left unknown for the entire run of the comic

mask is symbolic representing an idea instead of a person so they never meant for that to come off and have him be all gnarly underneath like they did in the movie but you know whatever Alan Moore's never happy with his adaptation so that's just how it is yeah he's just going to be a grumpy old bearded man is what he's going to be yeah super smart made

some of the most amazing stuff ever he has a point about the corporate side but maybe a little too far there buddy yeah you know i think i'm ready for a new adaptation of watchman um HBO did such a great job with the their um not really sequel i mean it was the story adjacent right it was like the after yeah it's like in universe but it's later yeah exactly and i'd love for them to say all right you know what let's let's do a proper watchman series yeah i really liked that one it was great they want to go they want to do like hit the original material i'd be fine with that do it i don't hate the movie i like the movie quite a bit i don't i don't hate it either uh it could maybe do without 18 minutes of uh weird banging to

Leonard Cohen, but, you know, whatever. It was a weird choice, wasn't it? It really was weird. Make you want to go to, like, Zach Snyder's house and just ask a question. Just say, yeah. Hey, hey, dude. Like, the thing, the thing he's depicting is literally, I think, a frame on a page of the comic. Right.

Exactly. Yes. And he's like, what if we drug that out to be like a 20-minute ordeal? Let's play the whole version of, that whole original version of, hallelujah. What do you think of that? Yeah, that's true. It's crazy. All right.

you know that hat we talked about on on team mobile tuesdays yesterday the yeah yeah the free the knit hat i was 100% like there's no way i'm getting that ad i'm not bothering at this i'm just gonna we mention it on the show i'm never going to think about it again yeah i'm not getting that hat last night kim comes home she got a couple of hats so that's hilarious i meant to bring it downstairs yeah it's upstairs i meant to bring it down but it's just big pink looking i was gonna ask you is it pink it's like team mobile is pink so is it yeah i'm not sure i'm gonna wear of that often not really pink guy no I mean, right now, it looks like I'm about to rob the museum.

Right now, you look like a floating face in space. I really do. If I pull this over my eyes, I'm a ninja. Yeah, I'm a ninja. I'm here to take your women or whatever ninjas do. I don't know if that's what ninjas do. I did just watch, in preparation for Predator, I just watched that Predator Killer of Killers.

Oh, yeah. It's good. And I, you know, there might be, who knows if there's going to be some tie-ins with that, but I imagine there would be since it's all Tractenburg. There might be some nods to that. Did you watch all the way to the end, the very... I did, the end credits and the little surprisey thing in the end credits? So it's interesting when it first launched there were only two of those faces.

And then later added a third, which you've seen because you saw it more recent. So you would have seen the... I saw the face that might be telling me to get to the choppa. There you go. I'm sure no one will figure that. No one will set that one out. No, that was so cryptic. Nobody is going to figure that one out.

No, not even the greatest world hackers. I mean, it's been out for two weeks, and even that, and that's not even really a spoiler. It's like, oh, okay, all right, cool. Yeah, no, it's not really a spoiler. Arnold Schwarzenegger's faces in it. People, that's what we're saying. Or an animated version anyway. Yeah.

But he's in like stasis or whatever. And then I think the plan is, if I read this right, he's going to insert stuff from this new thing in there, too. oh really yeah which is kind of a crazy idea to go back because i mean it's digital and it's on prime so or hulu so why don't you just you can just you can do this is no big deal it's not like there's dvds out there you have to you know people have to worry about to exactly replace on we're going to replace your DVD just send it to this address what did you think of it overall though do you like it i loved it i loved that style of animation too yeah that kind of uh arcane vibe painterly sort of thing going on yes exactly

Fewer frames per second, but, but beautifully blurred when it needed to be blurred and that sort of thing. Yeah. It was really, really sharp. I thought it was cool. I mean, it was basically three big action scenes, but I'm in for that. That's what this is about. Yeah. It sets up the world, right?

It sets up the predator world. And I think the third one. The yatchas or whatever they're called. Yeah, when it brings them all together again, I think that, well, the trailer, the latest trailer for the new, movie for Badlands seems like that leader dude is in that in that in that thing the the one ultimate predator yeah the king of all predators until someone takes them out or whatever the deal is yes yes it's really great though you guys haven't watched that really worth seeing and the new movie's getting good reviews I'm very excited okay good I was gonna look at

that today so that's great the early reviews are coming in good yeah one's the uh is it this weekend it's yeah we're seeing it day after tomorrow no we're seeing it tomorrow night I think Kim and I are going on Saturday. Cool. Cool, cool, cool. Yeah, there it is 90%. That's pretty damn good. That is pretty damn good.

So far, anyway. Hoping that, I mean, I know there's going to be some, some Wayland-Utani kind of mix-in stuff. And I mean, I guess the character, the character that we're seeing in the trailer is a replicant. Yeah, she's a full-on-Wa-Ley-Utani replicant. Not-replicate, you're right. That's Blade Runner.

Synthetic. Synthetic. Thank you. Yeah. Although, if you listen to Ridley Scott, he says the two universes are tied, so they're sort of the same. But I don't know if that's, I don't know if I like him saying that. It kind of annoys me.

I don't mind. I don't mind it being like, I mean, I guess you have to figure out, all right, what, what's, yeah. Because replicants bleed, regular old red blood. Right. And synthetics don't. If it's a time thing. Didn't, I thought, wait, hold on a second. And I thought there was something released with Prometheus,

like a bonus video on the Blu-ray that does definitively connect Blade Runner to the alien universe. Oh, I don't know. If there was, I missed it. I'd love to see that. Yeah, I don't have a bit. I mean, if they can give me some plausible ties, I'm fine with that. But right now it just feels like he's going, yeah, they're sort of connected. Anyway, see you later.

I'm going to lunch. like it just seems a little a little half-hand handed but right right was I going to say the bur-ber-ber oh yeah she's full on her eyes when she's in when she's in like recharge or refix

mode or whatever she's got the wailing utani logo on her eyes and oh really okay that I didn't catch or maybe yeah I don't think I caught that in the maybe we saw an early trailer before like there's probably been multiple trailers that had different things in them so so you haven't seen her

I mean it's in the trailer so it's a spoiler for anybody but she's she's in half for a lot of this movie okay you've seen that she's carried around like c3 p on chubakas back basically yeah i'm actually really excited about the dynamic of that i think it's interesting so anyway 90% damn good i can't wait you're gonna see it before me um we probably talk about a little bit on friday and then i'll probably see it saturday i'll be i'll be of course very um very secretive about it on friday i like it one quick piece of advice though for folks here in the Salt Lake Valley. There's this place. It's a bit of an institution.

A lot of people think it's their favorite pizza place. It's pretty close to being mine locally. But when I was growing up down by the University of Utah, it was this pizza place called the pie. And everybody went there. It was just like, if you had a date, you went to the pie. Everybody loved the pie. And it was these big, gnarly cheese would stretch like the commercials.

Like pizza. Right. Like, do you demonstrate good pizza? Yeah. Usually those were faked, right? And this was like real. He was like, oh, my gosh, this pizza is so good. And there's a second location that's been around for, I don't know, 20 years or something out closer to me.

So Kim and I were out dropping off our voter stuff. And we thought, well, while we're out here, let's just grab dinner. And I was starving. I'm like, let's go to the pie. She's like, all right, let's go. And when you're hungry, you see things on a menu and you go, yeah, I could do that. I could do that. But really, you don't need all of it.

But you're hungry, so you're thinking with your stomach, not your brain. You're thinking exactly. It's less about, I'm hungry and I want to eat in a thing. the piece. It's more like, I want to eat another piece. That's tasty. So we did the smart thing and got the smaller pizza, because even small, they're huge. I still have half of it today to eat. Like, it's not even that. They're, they're small pizzas are gigantic. They're big ones cover whole tables. Like they're stupid. So we got, we were smart about that. We got wings, which weren't that big. So that's fine. And then we were like, well, we should get salad or something and not be

monsters. And she goes, yeah, what do you want to do? And I said, well, what do they got? And she goes, well, they have one called, she called it the big salad, like Seinfeld style. She called it big, so you want the big one? And I went, sure, that's fine. I didn't really bother looking. It's actually called the family salad. And when it came out, it came with five bowls, a gigantic bowl full of salad and about eight little dressing cups. Sure, sure. It's a family size, like a shareable family size salad. Yeah. And we laughed for like 20 minutes about how dumb we were about it. It wasn't expensive either. That's part of it. then why it threw me off because I was like well that's cheap just get that and it was like the biggest I felt like sharing it if there were people closer to us I would have been you got lots of salad we got these bowls here I'm like come and get it but anyway shout out to the pie their food

is so good still it's probably my favorite pizza in Utah so good if you get a chance to swing by one of the locations you will not I wish we had them here it sounds awesome sounds so so good it's so basic though the name pie the pie the pie yeah and they have no other kinds of pie that's the pizza pie that's it which i don't love the name i don't like calling it pizza pie it's always bug me really yeah it's it's something that my grandparents did yeah they're the only people i ever knew who called something like called it pizza pie yeah would you like should we get a pizza pie tonight it's like is that like saying like you're differentiating it from a fruit pie yeah it's a pizza pie i guess so i just no i don't i don't i don't feel like it needs to

happen either like no just call pizza yeah that's a It's so, it feels so old school. It's such a dumb thing. But nonetheless, and notwithstanding, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, it is time for us to play a game. And we can't do that until this hits. Oh, look who it is. It's our old pal Brian Dunaway joining us from South Carolina. Hello, what's going on?

It's good, Brian. Oh, hello, ooh, you are a weird mic. Oh, you sound fine now. I didn't do nothing. That's not you. You're fine. Hey, what are you doing? You're not you.

Your mother scratcher? A big election day yesterday. Everybody out running around, Poland. Big election day. Already looked in my area. You know, it's an off year, right? So I looked and I was like, all right, well, we got here and my local council people. Nope, everybody's running on a post.

So I guess there's really nothing, no referendums on the ballot. I looked at the sample ballot I could have went or I could have stayed I'm a little surprised by the no challenge thing because we had all of ours had challengers but the challengers were both non denominational they were non they had no party affiliation

no party affiliation right right yeah most of our local elections don't require you to have like a party affiliation that's what I was a common thing it must be not partisan yeah yeah which I like and also they were both on the record the two in the the incumbents people are tired of and the two people that were coming or challenging them were both women and outspoken vocal critics of cities and local councils

working with ice to to round up people and I said well I'm voting for these two ladies bam and our local our local area has been having transparency issues there's not enough people that are semi-translucent, I guess. But no, they are, they're like, what are you doing with the money? How come everything keeps going up? What are you doing with? So we got some of that going on. Sure, of course.

They're trying to turn us into a city instead of a co-op or a HOA or whatever, which I am all for, but the HOA is like, no, we like the money. We would like pay the money. I always feel stupid anyway when I have to go through it. It's like, hey, we're voting on the wards. I'm like, oh, wards, I don't know how to pie up. I'm not to slice up my area into wards. I know.

And then you got wards and you got your parishes and all that. Right. That's fun stuff down there. Well, let's move past it, not think about politics and instead think about our brains. Brian, let's explain to the people how this game works and who might win what. It's time to play the tadpoole feud board. I've surveyed the tad pool on some nerdy topics. and Scott and Brian

enough to predict the answer that they gave us. It's Scott and Brian's job to see how many of those answers they can guess, and the player with the most points after the end wins the prize for their contestants,

and contestants have been pulled from our supporters and Patreon at patreon.com slash TMS. Scott is playing for Matt Bogey or Bogeet? Bogey. I don't know. Brian is playing for Chris Mills.

He's he pronounced. Chris Mills. That's what I'm just Chris Mills. Yeah, Chris Mills. that's all right uh we'll talk about what they can win after the game but let's go ahead and get to the game let's uh give you guys your your question here i need to refresh there we go all right we asked 472 tadpoolers name your favorite lgbq plus character no he's just gonna go with his favorite LGBT period just doesn't matter what it is uh i heard the start of the word character

so i'm going to say uh uh oh my gosh yeah nice You put yourself in a spot. I know. I got to beat the timer. The kid, the, uh, the, uh, doctor, what's his name from Discovery? The doctor, Dr. Blonde guy. Blonde guy from discovery.

Dr. What's his name from discovery? Snap. Snap, snap tics or scape, scape, scape, skeeps go. All right. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Um, uh, that's number 11.

It's number 11. It's number 11, really? It's number 11. I'm going to have to put a timer on you. Oh, Stammits. Stamitts. Paul Stamitts. But I can't give you the bonus, bonus guess.

No. Why not? I agree. You can give him the bonus. If I'd have the name. If I had the name. All right. Hey, if Dunaway, I'll give it to me, fine.

I love how he's flopping around. I want to see him flop around some more. Okay. All right. Flop around some more. I'm not going to give you the full question. I suppose he has even seen the whole question. Well, I get the full question.

Do I get the full question? question for the bonus or no? Nope. We have to treat it. We have to treat it like you heard what you heard and you just get another guess at it. All right. Agreed. Agreed.

Jeez. It's hard to think of names. I know. Okay. I'll say, I don't know any. Job of the hut. Job of the hut. Job of the hut.

Show me job of the hut. There we go. Job of the hut. Got that out of the way. Now I get to re. read the entire question for Brian. Brian, we asked 417.

Rupert. Name your favorite LGBTQ plus character from a television show. Okay. Still Rupert. I'm kidding. So, yeah, that does narrow it down just a little bit. A little bit. A little bit.

Yeah. Oh, man. I don't know. This is hard. It is hard. Geez. I feel like I'm Paul. I'm pulling blanks here.

Let's give you 10 seconds as well. It's only right. All right. Then give me RuPaul. Somebody else had to say it. I'm not lonely, I'm not lonely idiot. Show me RuPaul.

All right. We go back to Scott. We're just going to play around Robin until you guys name somebody on this one. A lot of the characters, I'm getting confused. I'm like, I know what I know their stance in real life, but they don't always play those characters in the roles. That's true.

That's true. All right. So I actually do have. so now, go ahead. All right, well, hold on to your, hold on to it. I'm going to say, um, okay, can,

if I get the actor and the show right, but not the character, do I live? I'll be generous on that, sure. Okay. Um, this one I actually know,

but I'm going to be prepared for future ones. So I'm going to say, um, uh, Hunter Schaefer's character in Euphoria and I think her name was Jules. I don't know her last name, but it was Jules.

Yes. Show me Jules. Oh, man. I still didn't make the top. Where is that? She's very good in that, by the way. She's fantastic. They all are.

All these kids are going to, well, some of them already are. Zendai is already killing it. But Jacob Aorty and that new. I feel like Sydney Sweeney's probably doing okay as well. Yeah, she's doing all right. She's doing okay. Yeah. I always wonder if that Alexa, I forget her last name,

but the other, the competing girl in her school is if that girl is going to do anything cool. What? I've never seen a single episode of it. it but uh sure yeah anyway brian back over to you for i guess okay well when he said uh he said but i'm gonna go with uh how about some uh some david from uh shitt's creek right was i don't even see the question my tad pooly feud i know because you haven't even gotten on the board yet okay we don't get the question that not that till that somebody says something that's on the board yeah Show me, David, you, David.

Oh, shit. Number one answer on the board, David Rose from Schitts Creek. Dan Levy. Damn it. Obviously, shoot. Yeah. Duh. Everyone's saved. So, Brian, congratulations. You have control of this board. Yeah.

All right. So all I got to do is just go down just a, okay. And it's got to be a TV show. What's actual question? Name your favorite LGBT character from television. I can't go, I can't go movie. Okay, I got you. I mean, you can if you think the tadpole screwed up, but, you know, it's not meant to me. Yeah, okay. I could see that.

Yeah. I can see that. And now who's popular? All right. So now I've got a full question. Now we've got to, who's popular? Let's see. How about, oh my gosh, why am I drawing blanks?

I know why I'm drawing blanks. I'm so afraid that I'm going to fuck this up. Excuse my language. You're asking white straight guys. You're asking white straight guys to not say something stupid. to make us seem like it's it's a big ass racist dumb asses yeah so i'm like i'm squirming around so thanks for that yeah you just don't want you know what makes you think she's gay what do you think that character's gay so i'm going to go with so i'm going to stick with

comedies that always seems like a good place to put it i'm going to go with uh a cameron uh from a modern family because we watch better for a good bit Yeah. Oh, it's a good, good one. Yeah, the Levitin show there. Cam Tucker, show me Cam Tucker. Number four. Yeah, there we go.

So do I need to also go with Mitchell? Because he's on there. Okay, let's go with Mitchell. Yeah, let's go Mitch. All right. Show me Mitchell. Oh, really? So we got, people like, people like Cameron, way more than Mitchell.

Mitchell was number 18. So that, that rates the, um, was Cameron the redhead yeah okay so yeah yeah he's the lawyer that actor actually is yeah he i was gonna say he's actually gay where the other dude is not yeah with others playing so maybe that maybe that's part of it maybe uh all right let's go with don't mess up don't seem like a straight meaning exactly don't don't say the wrong thing uh let's say this is such an old pick But whatever. Will from Will and Grace. There you go.

Will from Will and Grace. He was gay. I was actually thinking about going that direction too. Yeah. Show me Will from Will and grace. Yeah, it's too old. Will. No, I don't think it's too old.

I think you pick the wrong gay person because even though he's gay in that show, they always kind of, kind of, you know, kind of like, he's not like, is he really sure of himself? I don't know. Even though that's some subtext I probably added in myself. You probably did. Yeah. But watching it, it always felt like that. Are they trying to tell me that maybe he's not as gay as he wants to be?

So I'm going to go with Jack because he was flamboyant. Jack. Oh, Jack's all right. Like your reasoning. All right. Yeah. Show me Jack from Will and Grace. Number three answer on the board.

Do you know how the tadpool works? By the way, Will was number 16. Okay. It's on there. That's good to know. Interesting. I don't feel too bad. Now it kind of makes me want to go.

Oh, I think we had it backwards. Molly says Cam was the larger and Mitch was the red-headed lawyer. So the actual gay character didn't make it, or gay actor didn't make it on there. That's funny. Not as high as. That's what we said. All right. Yeah.

Well, no, we said. No, we reversed it. Yeah, we had it backwards. Cam and reversed it. Flipped it round. Yeah. So here's the much too-lived show that the world was just not ready and really kicked all this off. I'm going to go back to Ellen.

Have you watched that show recently? no Ellen DeGeneres from her show no I know sure not the talk show no no no we know right right the actual show started out originally was called friends like these or these friends of mine or something like that yeah yeah yeah just changed it to Ellen yeah for the second season show me Ellen amazing Ellen did not I don't even you guys have forgotten what she gave up she she did yeah I remember that episode where she came out to Laura Dern and and And then Melissa Etheridge said that if we get, if she converts five more people, she gets a free toaster or something. Oh, my gosh.

That was hilarious. Oh, Ellen Morgan, tied for 53rd place. Okay. I'm going to go with, I don't know why I'm remembering this. We should call this the tadpooly squirm. Yeah, it's a little squirmy. Every once in a while, you should have a topic that makes us feel uncomfortable. Right.

name your favorite phrase that sounds racist but isn't I don't know her name in the show but I'm going to say Laverne Cox and the character she played in Orange is the New Black All right I like her a lot in that I can tell you her character name was

Character name was Sophia Sophia Brissette All right Forgot that entirely Show me Sophia Brissette She's awesome She is awesome She's number 48

She looks like she If I crossed her somewhere She'd just kick the shit out of me I don't know why Brian it's your turn again We're almost out of X's here I don't know if you've noticed too That's fine

That's fine because You know So I'm gonna go How about with how about Mr. Smithers Who was originally a black guy But we decided to go gay instead, right? I forgot about that, right?

First season or something. I don't think it's gay instead. I think it's just, he was also gay. You know, I don't think I'm meeting with it. You know, I'm not sure about this black guy thing. Let's make him gay. You were worried about saying the wrong thing, right? Show me, show me,

Waylon Smithers. Oh, come on, people. Yeah, I was surprised by that too. I thought he'd be way higher. Waylon Smithers was, um, let's see. 52 in the list. Dang, man.

I know. Very surprising. It's all very closeted though. So it's kind of hard. Until later. Until later. You watch the more recent stuff. Yeah.

The newer stuff, he's, yeah, he's a lot more. All right. Well, Scott, there's just one strike left on the board. Let's see if you can get some points before, before we're done with this game.

Before we get the hate mail. Yeah. Yeah, let's see if we can beat the emails. All right. I'll go with, David Rose's boyfriend on Schitt's Creek. The guy from Outer Range season one and two. Okay, the vet guy, right?

They're not outer range. Is it an outer range? Whatever, that cowboy Thanos is in it. It was good. They canceled it, though. Anyway, that guy. Patrick Brewer is the character you're trying to think of. Yes.

Yeah, Patrick, that guy. Show me Patrick Brewer. Damn. Okay. Okay. Okay, so I had one more. On the list there, by the way, over 20. Yeah, go ahead. I had one more, only because it's been on my mind recently. Sure. The Stranger Things character, Will, have they officially, like, said anything?

Because we got Ethan Hawke's daughter, right? Oh, right. And she's out. Yeah, she's out on that show. But I don't know about, I don't know about Will. I know there's been conversation about it. So I don't know if you ever, And she was on the list as well. Let's see. She's quite the talent. She's amazing.

She is. Robin Buckley is her character name. Yeah. Yep. I mean, it's set in the 80s, 90s, right?

So it's hard to say whether that would be... This is about what I expected from three white guys, three straight white guys. Well, okay. I think I would have done a little bit better, but let's see.

Let's see how many of these... No, no, you think you would do better because you're like, you're approaching it. When you're, probably saw the question was like oh let me think about that for a minute nobody standing over your shoulder yes that's true that's true i don't have the pressure hundreds of people listening yes very true i don't have the pressure that you guys have uh number two willow from buffy i almost

said willow and the other girl uh she was with somebody else though or there was terrible terra yes i almost said that and thought no those guys aren't gonna bah damn it um we just lost uh this actor in the last, geez, last year. But he played Captain Holt on Brooklyn Nine-N-N-N-N-N-Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. That's a great one. I love Captain. Brewer. No, what was it? Brouwer. Brower, Andre Brower. He's so good. He was so good.

With the most recent, the 15th Doctor and Kudigatwa, we've got the doctor. I haven't seen that yet. I haven't seen any of those yet. I mean, I guess, I guess depending on how you feel about the very last episode of the most recent season there's a question about is he the current doctor or the previous doctor so I guess we'll see about that

speaking of Doctor Who this is our only double in the top time Oh, didn't think about that Torchwood of course Yep Captain Jack Harkness Especially knowing the tadpool That's absolutely one they do A lot of fans of the Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt

chose Titus Andromedon played by Burgess Titus Burgess I was hoping you were to say Titus I never did watch that or Burgess Meredith He's chicken some chicken Come on Kimmy Schmidt

You're unbreakable Get back out there and take him down That's right This is what I was surprised That you guys didn't come up with From The Last of Us It's Ellie Oh Jesus

And we just I just watched that like six months ago That's a good one And the only character to carry over from the office to the paper which has its moments I'm not completely sold on it though but I'm warming up to it

Oscar Martinez God that would have been good points The way I look at it with that show is they have to at least give it what they gave the original office which was a season of awkward not hitting every point and then let them find their way so hopefully they can I hope. Yep exactly

well there you go I have high hopes for it just rounding out some of the big ones here after the top 10 you got Paul Stamitz was number 11 as you saw Rosa Diaz Bill from The Last of Us that great Nick

Offerman episode can be a drummer from the expanse great one there Cora from Avatar Zena Warrior Princess Garrett from Deep Space 9 Wait is that true I think that's

I think that might be fan that's fan fiction right I think so I don't think Zina was ever It was ever official, but Omar Little from the wire Lafayette Reynolds from True Blood, Marshmallow from Bob's Burgers, Dreamer from

Supergirl. Hugh Culber from Star Trek Discovery, John Waters on the Simpsons. I mean, he's not a character that's a real person. Kurt Hummel from Glee, SpongeBob, Bert, and Ernie. That's Sanchez.

That's canon now. Callie Torres. Damien from Mean Girls, David Fisher from six feet under, let's see, Garnet from Stephen Universe, Guillermo from what we do in the shadows. Oh, that should have been higher. Yes, definitely should have been higher. Jacob from Abbott Elementary, Jody Dallas from Soap, the great Billy Crystal character, Mr. Garrison from South Park, Pee-E-Herman, rolled from Letter Kenny, Sulu, Velma, and Agatha all along.

Well, I don't think soon the character wasn't gay. He wasn't gay. That's the first thing I was doing because I know a lot of these actors and I'm like, okay, but yeah. He wasn't playing gay. He just was gay. He just was gay. George de gay is what they called him. I mean, you've ever seen him shirtless.

I mean, yeah, I do it. I mean, I know what I'm looking at when I see him. Doing his fencing, man. Abah, hubba. Oh, yeah. That's good stuff. He has good musculature. Now, the best news today is that the loser today,

Got the best game possible. Oh, really? Okay, well, that's going to be your guy. So, Brian, because you won, Chris Mills is getting a copy of Air Memories of Old and a Juggler's Tale, Chris, you've came to Zobby. Yeah. And Scott, you played for Matt Boge. He is getting a copy of Ball X Pitt or Ball Times Pit, courtesy of Ithor Inggy Goodmansson.

You did better than me, dude. we actually had an Icelandic story in daily music headlines today and so I saw that weird BP combo and so I had to look it up for that and I'm like oh it's pronounced like TH okay interesting that's funny that's on daily tech or daily music today

daily music headlines today yeah I'll check it out it's a story about Hammond likes to put shit like that in there just so I stumble all over it sure and we know how he works how he operates that's a very that's a new game and very good game and is currently at overwhelmingly positive reviews and is killing it across

switch and PC so you are getting the better game uh so that means i lost i'm not that's not true there's no conspiracy here i tried um but no i've seen this game i want this we've talked about this that it's like moving breakout basically it's like breakout mixed with a there's a whole weird like city thing it's so cool it's a rad game see i'd i'd take the code for myself but i want to get it on switch two anyway, so I'm going to wait until it's on switch two, or wait till it's a discounted on Switch 2. Yeah. I've got some unicorn overlord to play anyway. That's right.

You got a, that's a big game. Well, there you have it. Well done, everybody. And you'll see these codes in your DMs over there on the Patreon. Okay, so watch for that. Brian Dunaway, tonight. We had to change the date because you had some stuff yesterday. Yeah, Ethan had his

hernia surgery. He's out of out of that now and he's heading home. So woo-hoo. Yeah, woo-hoo. But we'll do play retro tonight, 4 p.m. Mountain Time, and we're going to have a great time talking about Halo Combat Evolve for the original Xbox and all the harried stories around how that all came to be.

So, tune in then and find out. In the meantime, Bungi. Guss my butt. Bungi. Bungi. I like that. Instead of bungee, fantastic. Bungie. Bungie. Dunaway and his weird moments of nonsense.

Okay, we are going to go straight into talking to our pal Tom Merritt. Let's see if I can get that going on here with the thing and the stuff. Isn't technology wonderful? It sure is because Tom Merritt is here to make it wonderful. That's right. Tom Merritt.

Ace Detect, the man himself. What's going on? Oh, you know, just living the dream, Scott and Brian. How about yourselves? Doing all right? You got that you got a jacket on that tells me that L.A. is not as hot as I've been led to believe. Is that what's going on?

today, no. I mean, what most people would call warm is what we call cold. So, you know, everything's relative. That's true. Yeah, we're, uh, we're currently sitting at a balmy, uh, it's probably close to Bryans too, I'm guessing, but 57 degrees. Oh, that's exactly where we are. Oh, really? Are you really? Are you really? Nine right now. Oh, yeah. Okay. Ow, that's, you know. High of 61. That's actually lower than I thought it would be in L.A., but, uh, what do I know? Yeah. It's, uh, it's, it's cool. Let's put it that. All right. Well,

we couldn't have picked a cooler guy to come on and talk about technology. We're doing this thing lately where we get your questions. Yeah, I like this. We got a banger today because I just, I don't know,

it fits the time we're in. And this game to us from I-Corps. Regular. Yep, Kevin's the man. He wrote this following message. Are you, sorry, are there any efforts to create laws to require AI-generated content

to be clearly labeled? I think we would all appreciate video, audio, and social media bots to be identified with clear penalties for those who fail to comply. I tend to agree with this. I don't know about the penalties or how severe they should be, but I would love it if I just knew on stuff.

So if you saw an account and you're cool with a bunch of AI content, then fine, have it be labeled as such so I can make that decision. There ought to be a law. What I would prefer is a leak-proof technical way to do it. But I don't know that one exists. So maybe we can address all that, you know, and figure it, you know. I guess we have to answer the legal part. Why do you care? I care because I like to know when something's being presented is real or not.

Why? Well, then I know that, well, okay, if I'm on an app and I'm meant to engage with somebody. Yeah. That's the point of the app, right? Let's say it's Twitter slash X. And I'm on there and somebody says to me, a very smart bot even uses my name and talks to me. And I reply back. I would like to know that my assumption that there's a person there is true or not. If I know it's a bot, fine. Maybe I'll still interact. If I know it's a person, fine. I'd rather interact with them.

What if it's a person pretending to be something they're not? Do you need to know that too? Should there be a law that says that you can't? Oh, I see what you're going with this. Interesting. I mean, that's exactly what a bot would say. How do you know I'm not? I guess I don't know.

Exactly. You're a very realistic version of Tom, I'll tell you that. How come Tom's got my? my lights behind him in his studio. That's really weird. What's going on, Sora? Well, yeah, so I understand where you're going with this, but I ask these questions, not because I don't think there should be a law. Let me just be clear. It's because I think a lot of times we jump to like, I don't like this thing, so there should be a law for it. I think you can end up with some laws that have unintended consequences that way. And there are times when there are perfectly good public pressures. that could make something happen better in better ways than laws can. This may or may not be one of those things, but I always like to kind of force myself to think about that stuff. To answer ICOR's question directly, though, there are not only efforts. There are three big places with laws.

China has a law, what is it called? It is called the administrative measure for the labeling of AI generated content, which took effect September 1st, requires service providers to, clearly label text images, audio, video, and virtual scenes distributed in China, both visible and technical. So watermarks, metadata, all of that is in the law. There is also a law in the European Union, which will go into effect on August 2nd next year. Some aspects have already gone into effect, but the entire thing goes fully into effect next year. Mandates labeling systems where transparency is important, things like deep fakes, public interest.

text. Labels must be clear and easily understood by humans and must be in a format that machines can read as well, like embedded metadata or watermarks. And finally, there is a law in the state of California, in the United States of America, that will go into effect on January 1st. It's SB 942, requiring entities with a generative system that has more than one million monthly users to provide a free publicly available detection tool, offer users the option to include a disclosure, embed metadata for identification, and require licensees to maintain these disclosures. There's also another bill called AB853, which goes into effect January 1, 2027, that requires online platforms to detect and provide provenance data for content distributed.

on the platform. So that's a little more broadly applicable. And that one goes in in phases starting a year from January 1st. So January 1st, 2027, and then applies to cameras and phones and voice recorders to provide disclosure of when those cameras, phones, and voice recorders might be using any kind of non-human generated filters and stuff by January 1st, 2028. So those are those are laws on the books chinese ones already in effect uh european one is going to do in effect next august and california has one that goes in fact this coming january first as well as the following two january first after that so you gave me a better answer to your original question as to why one of them was um i used a bad example but if somebody wants to fish somebody they are much more likely today

with today's tools to be able to do that in a very multimedia sort of way than they ever have been before. I think that proposing legislation that would curb that is in the public interest because people will not be defrauded. So there's one.

I don't know that this does that though. Right? Can do that though. This doesn't do that. If I want to fish you, I'm not going to label it. Well, that's my point. Oh, yeah. No, the California one, yes. But I'm saying like if there's a technical way, and I'm not saying there is.

No, but if there's a sure. Yeah, go ahead. What I'm saying is, is if I'm going to fish you, I'm going to use a tool, and I'm not going to label it, and you're not going to know because I'm violating the law, because guess what? I'm already violating the law. Exactly. What's one more law to break when you're breaking the law? Okay.

So, okay. And that makes sense. I mean, if, I guess what I'm saying is, like, like you're always saying with copyright stuff, sometimes the stuff has to evolve with the change in technologies, right? So as we get to a place where this isn't far-fetched anymore where somebody can get on a phone line, a landline, and using equipment on their end, and it's still illegal to begin with, but they can call your mother and say a bunch of words that sound like your voice in real time, answering it in real time, and say, I'm in the hospital. I need $10,000 or else I'm dead, blah, blah, blah, whatever the scam is. It just seems like these laws that either already exist on the books or ones we haven't thought of yet probably ought to learn to adapt to those. and maybe they are, I don't know. Well, I guess what I'm saying is some of these do require digital watermarks and content creation stuff, like the one in California that's coming in a couple of years.

But the Fisher just will rip that stuff out. Just like copyright laws, you know, sure, they require you to use digital rights management and not break it, but somebody who wants to flout the law will break it. There are ways for people to do this kind of generation which strip out the watermarks and all of that. So I think because you're dealing with lawbreakers in that case, it's already illegal for them to do it. Right. And so they're going to find more illegal, more illegal ways to do it. And I'm not saying you shouldn't have the law.

I'm just saying I'm not sure that is the point of these laws. Usually the point of these laws is you should know if you're seeing something fake in your social media platform or news, right? That that should happen. And that will cause bad actors. Bad actors are less likely to do that there, right? Because, you know, the platforms have a vested interest into making sure they keep that stuff off because they don't want the backlash. And if the law requires labeling it, then they'll implement that. And the fact of the matter is, Instagram, Facebook, most of these platforms have already implemented their own rules that comply with these laws to say,

if you're putting something that's generated up, you have to label it. What the laws do is give them a little more teeth to say, you know what? We're going to enforce that. You could get your account suspended because we have a law at our backs that we have to comply with. Yeah, I guess what I would ultimately prefer is if all of the providers, the AI companies themselves, whoever found a solution, and then it became standardized between them, you know, I don't know.

I can't think of the last example of that, but you know. Yeah, there's one called C2PA. That is an industry standard that almost everybody is adopting. And it embeds cryptographically secure provenance markers into media so that you can detect it. And if there is a labeling law, then use that to label it without me or you being able to do anything about it. They can say like, oh, we can tell you used a C2PA compliant tool to create this. and so we can tell that it had AI. If you've uploaded stuff to Instagram and it said,

looks like this is AI, it might be because of that. Not always. They've got other ways of detecting it too, which sometimes they get wrong. But the C2PA thing is an industry standard that is exactly what you're talking about. Oh, good. Problem solved. Yeah, exactly.

Well, and that's the thing, right? It's like, there ought to be a law. Great, there is. There ought to be an industry standard. Great, there is. They're still bad actors. We'll figure out how to get around the laws and the standards. Sure. And so if you're saying it should be impossible for bad people to do bad things, I agree. And this makes it harder for them, certainly. But it doesn't eliminate the possibility. So there has to be other things like just being aware and keeping the pressure on platforms to do their best to pull bad actors off and identify them and all that kind of thing.

Yeah, I think if the way you win this war, if you're one of the platforms is you get really good and ahead of it so that you. you're the place people think of when they go, oh, yeah, they're really trustworthy when it comes to letting me know what's fake and what isn't. Like, I'd like that to happen. I'd like Open AI or whoever it is or whatever platform, let's say, you know, TikTok.

If they got really good at going, yeah, this is AI for sure. Blue sky's pretty good at it. They tell you, they put a thing up in the profile of the person. Instagram does it too. Yeah. I've seen it. And it's tried to apply it to my post, sometimes because I was definitely posting

something and I'm like, yeah, no, this is me making fun of chat GPT so you should label it as AI generated. But sometimes it said, it looks like this is AI. I'm like, no, that's just a picture of my dog. I don't know why you think that's. Yeah, the whole false positive thing is a whole other aspect of this. Yeah, yeah. We still have to

get her heads around. But, well, it's interesting. Kevin, I don't know if that answered your question. I think it did. There's stuff already going on. You know? Yeah. And more on the way. let's see if I can find my notes here because there is one in Utah that is requiring the disclosure

of AI use in communication with consumers so that already in Utah you have to say if you used AI when you're talking to someone who is your customer and Tennessee enacted the Elvis Act which protects individuals' voices and likenesses from unauthorized AI replication.

Okay. Sure. That makes sense. They want to protect the King's legacy. They want to... Yeah. And the Elvis impersonators. Yeah.

Not Costello. Yeah. Interesting. I have to look more into that. It does apply to others, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not only impersonating Elvis that is... I think that's great.

They got to talk about what their state is known for it to get it, you know, get people to notice. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. Colorado has a law as well that is about a... C-SAM, you know, child pornography and deep fakes. There is a U.S. law that will punish you for trying to impersonate someone. There's a likeness law. There's another U.S. law that was proposed in 2023 to provide labeling nationwide.

That one is still live. It hasn't been killed or voted down. It just hasn't been passed yet. So that one's kind of simmering in the back burner. They kind of have to go back to work to you and do that. So hopefully they do. Well, there's that. There is that.

well there you have it Tom Merritt always always good stuff if you guys have your questions out there poised or any of this brought up new ones send them in the morning stream at gmail.com happy to pass them on for a Wednesday segment of the show Tom what else is going on in your world we can talk about

well coming soon to hopefully a bookstore near you is synced know a little more about tech an actual physical book the ebook is already out there If you go to Lulu.com, L-U-L-U-U-D-com, you can find the e-book.

And then that one is under distribution, so it should show up on Amazon and bookshop. org and stuff soon. This one took a little longer because I messed up the proof copy and had to redo it. And so I'm waiting for the proof copy to come, and then I'll approve that. So in a couple weeks, you'll be able to see this one on bookstores as well. That is freaking awesome. Well done. Love to see a physical thing, man.

Yeah, man, me too. It represents a bunch of cool work. he is ace to tech on all these social media platforms that we think are bad at telling us about AI prom. Tom Merritt, have a fantastic week. We'll see you next time. Thanks a lot.

Bye now. Bye ye. Bye ye. Tom or Tom, Brian. Hey, Brian. Yeah, yeah. I know I sound like him on Sora sometimes, but that doesn't mean I'm him. No.

Did you see my thick and liquid one I did of you? Yes, where I'm sitting in the thick and liquid. Yeah. I really like how. Like the iterations of that one where, okay, so for people who haven't seen it, it started with a chef boy R.D. stuck in a car that's filled with ravioli. And the cop pulls him over and says, where are you going, son? He's like, just trying to get home. And his car is, he's up to his neck in ravioli. The car is filled with it. Then somebody turned it into the colonel, Colonel Sanders, in a car full of chicken.

And it's spot on Harlan Sanders. and at that point he says just trying to get home son or something like that but adds the word son then there was you with kimchi kept the just trying to get home son and then me and thinking liquid again keeping the weird little trying to get home

son yeah but then what's weird is yours morphed yet again where you said all taking care of dispatch or whatever at the end oh yes right like I do the last the cop's final words even though it's it's so janky dude iterations such xerox failure yeah but i love i love how plus it looked like your car is full of

like the runs or something it was not gross thick of liquid yeah all i did was say they can look could i figure to be like apple juice or orange juice this is like some dark ass syrup it looks like yeah and that's the best the way i could describe it yeah so i know that android got their version so now we'll probably see a few more of these when you guys tag us it's a treat so don't stop doing that. It's super fun to watch how you became aOS. We actually like seeing your creative ideas. There's only been one that I said,

no, I don't think we're using this one. I can't remember what the reason was, but it was like that's, that's, what was it? Do you remember it all? I can't remember what it was, but it was like, I think it was in drafts and I reached out to the person and said, yeah, this doesn't feel like a good, a good thing.

I can't remember what it was, but yeah, people are fond of trying to find ways around the restrictions. And, make us say or do things that you would never say or do. I do like the, uh, I don't like me. Yeah, nobody can get him to do the beat the way we do it. Yeah. Which I don't understand why that can't be done.

It should be able to be done. Let me check and see if I've got invites. They've never given me further invites, which, um, I don't know why. Let's see. I do. You have invites? I do. I don't know.

I didn't, as of yesterday, but I do today. Weird. Why are they not giving me any invites? Sorry. I hit the invite button. I have no remaining invite. You're right. I don't.

Well, still. I don't know. Maybe they slowed down. At least you got two waves of invites. I did. One time I got like 12 of them. I think if I had to guess because they got the Android launch, they're now trying to, they're probably favoring that to proliferate the platform.

Sure. If I had to guess, I don't know. Yeah. Quick email text here from Captain Ed. Ah, good little captain. I know, right? I thought he was colonel by now, but whatever. He may have done something.

Got him in trouble. Reminder, Wednesday, November 5th, 2025 is the 70th anniversary of the Great Hill Valley Lightning Storm. Wow. The one that almost took out the clock, if it weren't for that weird guy in a lab coat and kid in a life preserver. Life preserver jacket thing. Right. Yeah, the save the clock tower lady. this was the day, guys.

That's awesome. I love it. Yeah. 70th anniversary. It's insane. Not for the movie. Don't write in. We know the movie's not that old. We know. We get it. 1950. The fictional event that occurred.

That's right. It's the 70th anniversary of that guy taking his wallet. I think he took that guy's wallet. Another one here from Dave. Dave says regarding the UPS at UPS, Sorry, USPS delivery, where you were thinking, you know. Yeah, where I think I screwed that lady up by making her just leave her UPS packages at the... Where I think she screwed up, but whatever.

Yes. I think it's cute that you two think UPS drivers don't ever stop at the UPS store and vice versa. Brian, you're all good. I'll bet the UPS driver picked it up at UPS within a few hours of his daily deliveries. Oh, maybe. Let's hope he did. I don't know why Dave knows this. Maybe he's in the business.

Maybe. but that's a you know that's a pretty bold claim for i mean if if that were the case then why wouldn't they just say leave your uPS packages here too yeah exactly but still yeah i that's a great point if that was true i'm not saying it's not entirely true there's probably because this happens and so they have to sure do stuff but if it was that simple yeah you just have one one bucket to fill them all and this isn't a this isn't a full-on post office this is a third-party store that is authorized to do U.S.PS mail, so I don't know. I mean, but they probably do receive UPS packages.

or I'm sorry, UPS packages. Probably receive them, yeah, because they also do PEO boxes and all that crap there. Yeah, so I think they'd probably be, yeah, who knows? Yeah. Well, Dave, if you have further thoughts, let us know. Captain Ed Pined in, pinged in one more time and said on Wednesday, meaning last Wednesday, during your epic holiday food,

had Pooley feud. You mentioned using the French fried onions or green beans or on green beans as the only option. You should try putting them in a salad or on a burger. Oh. Burgers. Just even on a sandwich. Like, you know, how we were talking the other day about putting potato chips on a sandwich.

Why not the French's fried onions on there, too? Yeah. I have bag of these right now. I might do that. I'm sold. You have sold me, sir. Yeah, it's not bad. I've left over pizza, so I might do that.

I don't know what I'm doing today. But that's going to do it for today's show. Thanks for all your messages. Keep those coming. Go send us your emails, the morning stream at gemel.com. If you'd rather send us a text, you can go to voice. dot app slash TMS. And if you're confused or you can't remember any of these things,

all of it is linked on the site. So just go to the website, frogpants.com slash TMS. That's going to do it. Come back at four today for me and Dunaway in our thing. It's going to be fun. And we got a Thursday show tomorrow. We will not have Wendy.

We will have a call now. She's traveling somewhere besides the thing we're doing later. I don't know what she's got going on, but she's flying somewhere. She's got to fly a lot. I hope she doesn't. encounter any lines like I saw in the Houston airport. Holy shit. Because of the

shutdowns. Yeah, no kidding. I mean I don't like any of that, dude. That's freaky. Yeah, somebody not to make you worry or make her worry further, but somebody left a note, a bomb threat note in the bathroom of an airplane here in Denver. Great. I mean, it was a

flight from Denver to New York and yesterday. Oh, on the plane's bathroom? In the planes bathroom. They didn't find it until they were landing. And then So the captain comes on. The audio is pretty interesting because the captain comes on and says, all right,

if you were the person that left a note in the bathroom, please flag somebody down, ring your call bell, and let's, you know, and fess up because here's what's going to have to happen. We're going to have to, like,

not park at the gate and do a complete disboarding and search and blah, blah, blah, like, just save us a lot of trouble. Yeah. It's the funny that we just, the captain just,

assumes it's BS. It's not like whatever your demands are, we'll meet them, but it's fine, it's fine to protect these people. It's like, all right, whoever the Joker is. Yeah. Plus, it's still a major felony, right? What they did? Totally is. Absolutely, yes.

Get that turd out of there. Exactly. Just, wow. If you find that audio, it's pretty interesting. I have to check it out. I'll look for it today. All right, frogpans.com slash TMS, as I mentioned, the only other thing we really need to bring these people is a song.

So Brian, let's play one. Yes. Our friend Badpour in the chat room says, I'd been listening for so very, very long. Indulge an old man and play cover from the early days. Either of these is great. I also like to wish a happy birthday to Cleo, who is also celebrating her birthday.

Bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bad poor. So happy birthday, Cleo and Badpour. You both get this. Happy birthday, do you. Congratulations, and I hope you don't get diarrhea. There you go. Perfect, excellent. so bad pour is two choices one of them was a mashup and uh sorry the other one is a cover and we're

we're playing the cover um this is great and i'd forgotten we'd already played this but i love this version this is uh megan washington and her cover of sublime's santaria in the sweetest sweetest version of this song you'll ever hear oh my gosh i'm so excited here it is we'll see you tomorrow. Come on back. I don't practice Saneria. I ain't got no crystal ball. Well, I had a million dollars, but I'd spend it all if I could find that Hunter, and that's not sure that she's found.

Well, I'd pop a cap in Sancho and I'd slap her down What I really want to know, my baby What I really want to say I can't define Because it's love that I need all My soul will have to wait till I get back get back and find a hide of my own daddy's gonna love one and all and I feel a break feel the break feel the break and I got to live it up oh yeah well I swear that I would I really want to know my baby

What I really want to say is I got mine Because it's love that I need, oh, yeah My soul will have to wait What I really want to know, my baby What I really want to say, I can't define Because it's love that I need a Tell son she told that If he knows what's good for him

He'd best go run and hide Daddy's got a new 45 And I won't think twice Stick that babble straight down Sanchez stroke Believe me when I say That I got something for his punk ass What I really want to know, my baby What I really want to say

I can't define Because it's love that I need Oh, yeah My soul will have to wait This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Yes, get more at frogpant.com. Then why the big rush to the moon?