The Morning Stream - TMS 2921: The Good Oil

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

No Colored Filament, I'll just make do with Black. Dropping the Eff. K-Pop Badoo Badop. We are living in a SOCIETY!! The Army Of Weirdos. Where's the meat? You're so close! Well-Trained in Alcohol. Luke J. Skywalker. Sucker for Structure. Lil Cussbag. Would you like Geritol with that? I don't like ChatGPT degrees... Maybe it's Taco Bell? Maybe it's Salmonella. Darth Micheal Vader. Harvesting Potatoes With Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

There's a tale going around that putting up Christmas trees too early will bring shame to your village. You can only fix it by signing up for our Patreon at patreon.com slash TMS. Coming up on the morning stream, no colored filament, I'll just make do with black. Dropping the F. K-pop-da-bo-bo-da-p. We are living in a society. The army of weirdos. Where's the meat?

You're so close. Well-trained in alcohol. Luke J. Skywark. Sucker for structure. Little cussbag. Would you like Jarrett Tall with that? I don't like chat GPT degrees. Maybe it's Taco Bell.

Maybe it's salmonella. Darth Michael Vader. Harvesting potatoes with Wendy. And more on this episode of the morning stream. He looks at the hand of a man and tells whatever. It's true. Sipsy dick will show you. Your word doesn't mean as much as a Chinese dollar.

The morning stream. F*** off, Hairball. Hello, everybody, and welcome to TMS. This is the, there's the pre-show still floating. Got rid of it. Oh, okay. Didn't want to tickle that one out of existence. I know.

Two days in a row. We can't handle that. It is November 13th, 2025. I am Scott Johnson. That is Brian Nibbitt. And damn it, it's a Thursday. welcome everybody it is it's a Thursday it's kind of a Friday Thursday for us because you're going you're going down to Vegas for Memorial it's off days for me so

tomorrow will be I get to do daily music headlines because Tom and I lean are leaving early so I don't usually do Fridays anymore but tomorrow I'll do it very nice I get a nice little heads up on the on the new releases are you forced to include a certain percentage of K-pop coverage when she's do anyway because Tom puts it in our Tom Tom anytime he sees an article

on a on a day actually doesn't matter what the day is he puts it he flags it in our feedly so oh that's great but I'm glad he does

because you know all right Hammond Hammond does a really good job of picking from the wide spectrum when he's picking articles right

he makes sure that there's that if something's at the top of the list as far as here's information that's coming in a lot for for music uh here's a headline here's a story that's getting repeated a lot he makes sure that that's in our list yeah but he always does make sure to pull something from um blabbermouth dot net or or whatever like he's got three or four sites that are all heavy heavy metal and heavy progged and stuff so sure If there's, if ghost or dream theater has a, um, has a story, it could just be, ah, the lead singer of dream theater, uh, woke up and put on a bathrobe and then stubbed his toe on the side of the oven, it's going to be a story you're going to hear about.

Hell yeah. That's what his magic beard is for. It's what Hammond does with it. Uh, I, we don't often get the K-pop stories. So that's why I'm glad that Tom does his part to kind of say, hey, here's a good story about hive and new jeans or Laceraphim or Cat's Eye. and we make sure to get those in there. Well, it's not K-pop. Oh, yeah, that's true. But also, it's important to remember that K-pop is legitimately a freaking force. Like, there's no denying it.

The top 10 right now is rife with it. What are you going to do? The number one song for most of the summer was golden by K-pop Demon Hunters. Yeah. For most of, until, until Taylor Swift upset the apple cart with Ophelia, it was golden for, for, something like 20 weeks or 30 weeks or something. Yeah, it was the feel good hit of the summer, you might say. It was. Yeah. Well, I think that's great. The daily music headlines stream went up

yesterday. That's up on YouTube, right? You can watch that. It is. Yes, we did a stream last night, talked about the Grammys, talked about who we think is going to win. We talked about who we want to win. Listen, I look at those lists and I see Lola Young, whatever categories Lola Young is in, I'm like, I want to see her win. I want to see her do as well. well over here in the States as she does in the UK. Yeah, I'd be great. I like her stuff a lot. She's a unique. She's uniquely weird and I like uniquely weird. Is she

okay since she biffed it on stage? Everything okay with her? She doesn't she hasn't she hasn't rescheduled any of those concerts that she had to cancel. So yeah. That messy song's real good. I'll tell you what.

I played that the I played the version, the radio version which drops all the F-bombs in place of I'm too freaking dumb or something else some other word

and the kids are in the car littles are in the car and they love this song so they're screaming that out of the top of their lungs well one day we're in the car and that song plays and it's not the radio edit

the uncensored version I didn't know it's just in a playlist right and the kids are screaming at top of their lungs but then they both stop both car seats in the back of my car they both stop and they look up and go pops

that lady swears I said yeah She sure does. She sure does. Just tells you how messy she is. Yeah, just like your mama is what I tell him. She's a little cuss bag these days. Taylor is.

Really? Oh, yeah. When she's the little one at six who said, Dad, you need to swear a jar because you swear a jar because you swear too much. You cuss when you play games and all this stuff. You need a swear a jar. Okay. All these years later, I can count on her dropping the F for no reason in the house

whenever we're all hanging out and doing something. It's, hey, now I want a jar. I want recompense. You need, right. I recommend. Tina, people probably wouldn't believe this, but Tina swears like a sailor. She can't. I've been around it a couple of times.

Definitely can let it rip. The more irritated she is with somebody or something, the more she just lets fly. And boy, when she lets fly, it's a sight to behold. Are you ever the target of her let fly? No. No. Good man. Good man. Yeah.

I know how to stay on the right side of the law. Yeah. Yeah, Kim is also that, but only when she drives. Only when she's pissed at the other drivers. You guys should hear her in the car. She does not let people just get away with shit. Somebody cuts her off. Somebody's like too fast behind her.

Guy didn't use the signal. I heard some stuff in that car, you know. I'm sure. I'm sure you did. Yeah, last night. So I don't know if it's going on there as well, if you're able to as well over in Utah. But here, the last couple nights have been saying, hey, if you're far enough, north in colorado you'll probably see the northern lights because of the there's super lot of

a lot of sun activity it's it's firing out its ions and it's it's it's deal and causing a lot of um lights to dance in the sky and tuesday night it was clear enough that we we could kind of see colors with the naked eye but way clearer through your phone camera oh and so last night she's like oh well this is even you know it's supposed to be even better tonight tonight's going to be the the um the highlight or the you know the the best day to watch it um so we're like cool nine o'clock we hop in the car we drive to this this really nice location by us that is up on a hill and you can see miles like in the distance but it's you know you've got tons of open sky and horizon way down lows i guess the the way to describe it yeah and but it's a place that a lot of people know about

and so we've got a lot of cars that are doing what we're doing but some people aren't You know, we got out. We had jackets on. It was still pretty nice out. We had jackets on. We walked out there. Other people decided, well, we're going to stay in the car. And some of these other idiots decided they were going to keep their headlights on. And another person, we don't know where they went, but somebody bumped their car and the alarm started going off for a good solid three or four minutes. I would be so annoyed. Oh, my gosh. So freaking irritating. And Tina, this is where, you know, where Tina. is just like, let it fly. Like, the inconsideracy of people is probably her biggest trigger.

And mine, too, really. Like, if people are inconsiderate. We're in a society, right? That's what George says it. But we, this is true. We all have to do this together. It may be a joke to Costanza for, you know, Seinfeld. But seriously, we are, you know, we are here to live around each other and not make

life difficult for this person because you want it better for yourself. It's like, yeah, you know, I can, if I, if I do something for you, it doesn't inconvenience me. If I'm polite, if I'm respectful, it doesn't cost me a penny. Not a dime. If I flick on my turn signal because I'm headed towards you on a turn lane that also could be going straight, it doesn't cost me a penny to run that turn signal. That's right. Not a dime. Not a penny. Not a nickel. None of it. Oh, did you see the last penny got printed yesterday? That was a thing. Yes. Yes. I saw the countdown of the dude in Philadelphia. All right. Three, two, one. Last penny. Last penny. I want the last penny because you know that last penny is going to be worth way more than a penny because it's a single penny. Do you think they

know which one or does it just get dumped into the same vat as the second to last penny? If they were trying to, if they were trying to avoid this problem of freak, everybody freaking out trying to get the last penny or buy it up or someone spending too much money, they probably put it in a mix so you'd never know if I had to guess. Yeah. Yeah. The article I read didn't say, but yeah. If they're smart, they just say, oh, okay, you know, they sell those little plastic coin holders that have a little opening in. They could just say, um, this penny was printed on the last day that pennies were minted in the United States. That alone is cool. Sell, sell a thousand, sell, sell, sell a hundred thousand of them. Oh, don't give the orange monster other ideas how to make money.

It's new Trump pennies, Trump pennies worth a lot more than, uh, Trump, doge going. Just saying it's a doge going. That comes out good. I like the way that sounds. Dodge coin. Um, yeah, it's a weird thing. I-Corps mutes. I-Corps mute's now.

What's the matter with you? Oh, man. Look, it's a grand tradition throughout history for us to mimic and make fun of the current administration, whoever it is. Yeah. Uh, you know, we can. We could be doing that. We could be doing. That's right.

Right. Uh, I, I did not have sex with that woman. we could do any of that yeah any of those things we could do a garbage of tear down that wall I made a I made a sore video of him doing SMR a SMR on a microphone of Reagan and it let me I was surprised because I was talking on the show before how they wouldn't let me do any Reagan things but let me do that one yeah I feel like presidents I would have thought that presidents were open because Tom's Tom's was full of presidents for the first few weeks of Sora. Yeah, like Nixon and freaking

FDR, like a lot of FDR doing a lot of stuff. Yeah, I think you're for your public figure. It's kind of fair game. Yeah. But for whatever reason, I tried a bunch of Reagan things. And it wasn't weird content. It was like Reagan walking a dog. Invalid, can't do. Against our

guidelines. Then I'm like, give me Ronald Reagan at a desk doing an ASMR stream on Twitch. And it gave it to me. And he's going, yeah, okay, listen, everybody. You distracted. You just and sore with all these other things like, oh, ASMR, that's a show. Oh, a desk. Okay, all right. Wait, oh, Reagan? Okay,

whatever. Let's go. Yeah, we'll let that one through. What's also weird is I saw this really wild one yesterday. They need to work this act because it's so dumb. It exists. There it is. So I go to do a mix, a remix. And I say, replace this guy getting, who's eating all the nacho cheese

or whatever with me. So I say, just it replaces with me. And it comes back and says, against our guidelines, can't do it. Like, it's me. I'm saying you can do it with my face instead of whoever that guy is. Yeah. It's me. I'm giving permission for you to use my freaking face. Yeah. This is literally consent, you dicks. Anyway, take that, Sam Altman and your army of weirdos. All right. Hey, uh, quick thing. Yeah. Went to Spitz with, uh, as mentioned yesterday with Kevin, Katie Data. Yeah. Yeah. Great time. Always love hanging out with him,

talking, chat, and working towards some Nurtacular planning for AV things and, you know, just stuff like that and um but also we were just talking in general but here's the funny thing i'd forgotten just how much i don't i'm not the one paying usually at dinner because kim carries all the credit cards i don't like having a wallet full of shit so if we go out to dinner she'll do it now i have a wallet and i have all my stuff so when i go on my own it's fine it's not a problem but i don't know what was wrong with me yesterday we get to this place it's like 15 minutes north he comes about 15 south we meet in the middle sure it's a great uh it's like you know like we said greek food and these yeah mix and matches of like euros and stuff like that and we go

it was really good it's very good place i think their fries were a little oily but whatever um maybe it was good oil i don't know like olive oil or something like yeah or coconut oil or something something pretend that's the case yeah i'll just pretend that until i have a gut bomb about a half an hour from when the show ends um but anyway i'm in there and we get to the thing to order and I'm like, well, let's see, I think, and I just feel old for some reason. Maybe it's because Kevin's, you know, whatever he is, 18 years younger than me. Right. But we're standing there and I go, yeah, I think I'll have this euro here.

And she goes, what kind of meat? And I go, oh, now where's the meat? And she goes, well, it's up here. You're there. And I say, oh, okay, I'll have the combo of lamb and beef. That sounds great. And she says, okay, and what sides? And I go, oh, um, uh,

And she goes, and she says this. She goes, oh, you're so close. And I was like, I'm going to jump over this counter and freaking. Oh, my God. I love it. Like, she goes, you're so close. I go, am I? She goes, it's on the back.

And I go, oh, I flip it around. Okay, well, give me the fries, I guess. And then Kevin orders his. Oh, bless your heart. It was kind of like that. It was like that. I felt that. So she says that he orders.

And she goes, okay, are we paying with this? I've said, I'm buying today. Here's my card. and uh and she goes okay and she goes do you need a receipt and i said no i'm fine i'll just track it and she goes all right all i'll have to do is after i run this i'll just need a signature and so we're standing there and i'm just kind of looking around let the decor going interesting they're putting up christmas stuff my brain's kind of not there yeah yeah and kevin she's just looking at me like this going like waiting and kevin pokes me and points at the things i think you're

supposed to sign that day and i'm like ah shit it's a freaking screen there it's not some paper I'm waiting for like it's 1978. It's a freaking screen of course because we live in 2025. I just felt like the biggest dofish yesterday and as I'm walking to the table I'm like I had to convince myself no this is fine

you just you're a little airheady today it's fine. It's not a big deal but for a hot minute there I felt like some lady was like okay grandpa let's get you back to bed like totally that's like she's going to escort you to your to your seat and a little bib on you. I didn't like it Brian

I didn't like it. Not at all. I'm sure. But hanging out with Kevin was great. That's so cool. Always good to see him. Dude, I get to tell you before we get into the news. Oh, is there more I'm saying? No, I just noticed Kevin in the chat says,

L.O.L. She asked you twice. Ha ha. What you mean for the signing? She probably did. I don't know. It was probably worse than I thought it was because it just felt. Everything felt off. She was very nice.

I gave her a nice tip. Almost didn't because of the crack about, you're so close. You're so close. you're so close. I know that's really funny. Like, oh, yeah, sweet old man. Scott pulls out the checkbook. It felt like that. I'll admit it. The whole thing was sucked. And I was wearing kind of a sweater, this thing, you know? Yeah. Oh, it was your cardigan. Yeah, my cardigan. I got the, you know, my hair's kind of up. I got the glasses with the horn rims. Yeah. No,

it's, uh, it's like, oh, I'm sorry, professor never bought a thing in his life. Can I help you with any like that kind of feeling. It sucked. I hated it. Anyway. Sorry, you were going to say. Well, no, I was going to let, I'm going to let you finish. I'm just going to tell you that I'm a weak individual, Scott. Black Friday usually doesn't get to me like with a, oh, well, I must get that. But so many people in my life, Tanner and Clark and training of the other people. There's a bunch of, there's a bunch of people.

Sorry, had one more. Just had one more to get out. A lot of people in my life have 3D printers that have the whole AMS thing, which allows you to do the multiple color, four colors of filament, all getting fed in there and it uses them automatically. And I feel like for a long time, I've been the last one. The last one just still sitting there without an AMS printer. Well, any cubic had their Black Friday special deals, and I'm a big fan of their Cobra Max. the one that I print, like, you know, I can do a full-size helmet that fits my head. Yeah, Bobby has one, exactly.

But I can print one of those helmets that actually just fits my head. Pull it off the printer, put it on my head that quick, right? Pretty cool, yeah. No, glue and stuff together, anything like that. So I wanted to make sure that I still got a large format printer. And they had a deal on their Cobra Max 3 with the AMS. So I just bit the bullet and said, okay, all right. going to sell.

Is it a good deal? It was a really good deal. It was, yeah, more than half off. And that was, you know, I'd been looking at it around the $700, $800 range. And that was their previous discounted version. This one was low enough that I'm like, all right, I just got to do it. That's great because it means talk of projects on the show and stuff will benefit from your. Exactly.

There'll be some good content. I can do some more fun stuff to put up on Etsy. I like designing stuff and now I can design stuff that is multiple colors so sure I'm excited well that work like you know how with ink printers color printers it's always like oh shit I'm out of the yellow but I have

plenty of the magenta the you know whatever the other four color stuff is is it the same kind of issue where it's like well I'm sure printing a lot of things that are black it's not supposed to be black but you know what I mean yeah like if it runs out of a color it won't say I'll just substitute this other color okay so you would stop and you'd feed it

Right. You'll say, it'll say, you just ran out of such and such. We'll pause the print. And then it's like, okay, cool, load in another, another rule of that filament or whatever. That's cool, man. Yeah. It's really cool. Does it blend color? It doesn't blend them in the process, right? You just get. It can, it can. Like melts them together so they fuse or anything. Yeah, sort of. I know that there's, there is a way to do that. I don't know. I don't know which printers actually do like the kind of. color sublimation kind of stuff but the the the the bamboo doesn't do it i don't think the cobra does it the um bobby says no but but what i mean but maybe bob maybe i'm explaining it bad i guess what i'm saying is i've seen those ones that are like the articulated snake stuff and they're rainbowy in that they kind of all blend colored filament that's just a colored filament that's just rainbow colored filament oh of course that makes sense okay yeah so you've got a filament

that's produced that that cycles through the colors um but there's There was one, and I want to say it was made by micro 3D that claimed to be able to do that. And it was like a ridiculous price, but you would feed in four colors, and it could do, it could do some sort of mixing of some of those colors. But that's cool. Yeah. I'm excited for you. When do you get it? In a few days.

Like, their shipping was, uh, was, yeah, was pretty, uh, supposed to be pretty, pretty soon, pretty quick. Well, you think that's cool. I found a clearance, glow-in-the-dark, full-sized skeleton at Walmart.com and ordered that. Nice. Yeah. You know, best time to do it after Halloween is get those. I bet you paid a lot less for your thing than I'd pay it out of my thing. I think it was like 850 and it had, it's all green like a color printer might make.

So I've got a really cool, awesome color thing. No, I don't. It's not that cool. But yeah, that's awesome, man. I'm excited to hear what you make and do. Yeah. Yeah, I can't wait. I can't wait to play around with that.

The tool that I use, which is called Orca Slicer, allows me to quote unquote paint parts of my model with different colors, so I'll be able to say, you know, print Spider-Man's head red and then Pitter's legs blue and then print this part white or black or whatever. That's cool. I didn't realize it was that. I don't know what I thought. I guess I thought it was more simple.

it seems they're not simple but the use cases were less complex so if you say here's a spider-man statue all the color stuff like the black logo where the red and blue intersect that it's smart enough you can apply the color to whatever it is you want to be those colors exactly and as it's printing it does this dumb thing where it's like oh i need to switch from red to blue okay i'm going to go over to the side spitting out all the blue until i get to the red okay now it's red now it's red I'll come back over. So it can be kind of wasteful. Oh, I was going to, yeah, I was going to ask about that part.

Yeah. So that's the only, that's the drawback with the AMS systems is they get a little bit wasteful. Looks like it's the micro 3D. I remember it was a micro 3D. The Ren Color AC10 does film it mixing. Oh, okay. It was super, I remember, I remember seeing their Kickstarter for it.

I was like, that's so stupid, expensive. There's no way I'm getting. Yeah, but that'll do like you could probably create flush tones. If you do, right, exactly. All you need to do is have CMIK, basically, right? CMIK filament and... That's kind of awesome. Do that, yeah, but...

You pay for it, though. You pay for it, for sure. Well, we have time for one quick news story, and it's an important one. So we're going to do it. It's really important that we inform people about this. So let's get to it. Today's news is brought to us by. Brought to you by Coverville,

today there will not be a coverville because i'm in the process had um uh because of some other domain issues domain switching issues i guess that was pre-show so if you didn't hear about the domain switching issues then uh uh sorry uh you got go listen to the pre-show but um client emergency need a landing page by the end of the week and because things were going so wrong with with go daddy another domain and hosting services not talking to one another it's all getting pushed it today. So my afternoon is going to be entirely freelance. No, no music. No, there'll be music. I'll be listening to Apple Music's Focus Focus playlist because that's rad. I like their focus. Yeah,

it's a great playlist. It's a good one on YouTube music now I found as well. It's basically the same thing and very, I love that kind of stuff. Yeah. I've been into Sitar music lately. I don't know what's going on with that, but like deserty satar like, oh yeah. It's probably, it's all very dune and Jason, it's probably why I like it. Oh, yeah, yeah. I love that stuff. Here is your story, the one story you're going to get today.

Kim Kardashian of the Kardashian fames. A person, we don't really talk about here. None of their family really come up. We don't talk about them. It's really because we really don't care. I think something came up when she did that, was it the butt pose on cover of Vanity Fair with the champagne or, I want to say like,

very early in the TMS days, we talked about that. but I think that's it. Yeah, there may have been a Kanye crossover or something. Yeah. But here's your big story of the decade for Kim Kardashian. She did not pass the bar exam. Oh, man. Oh, wow.

I had such high hopes for this. The reality star and mogul revealed on her Instagram Saturday that she failed the tough test, writing in her post, she's not a lawyer. She just plays one on TV. Oh, that's hilarious. I don't think she even does that, does she? I don't think she even does that. Exactly right.

They're mostly pictures of her with big books open on tables while she's in a bikini out by a pool. Really? Yeah. Which is so... I hate it. She didn't read any books. She even admitted she used ChatGPT to study for her exam.

Yeah, she blames ChatGPT for the fail, which she should because these things are good at detecting that, so what are you doing? For sure. I don't want a lawyer that got their degree from ChatGPT. Thank you very much. Yeah. She claims now she's going to keep plugging. away at it adding she won't take any shortcuts she'll simply keep on studying okay okay well gpt

was a shortcut lady well i'll generate a diploma for her on mid journey and then we'll just call it good here's your she thanked everyone for supporting her weird uh adding falling short isn't a failure it's fuel i was so close to passing the exam and that only motivates me more so she's gonna go do it okay good for her you know what you know good for her for trying to to better herself with a degree in a field that isn't uh just allowing cameras into her kitchen while she talks to kiley about some random crap yeah good for her for that good for you for actually thinking about a career yeah i like that i think that's a great way of looking at it um all right everybody that's all the news she wrote let's get into this something wrong batman has anybody seen when

Well, I have. I've seen her many times. But right now, we see he's online right now and she's hanging out with us. Hi, Wendy. What are you guys? Good. We're good. What's life like in the old Minnesota zone? You all good. Yeah. It's good. Yeah. I'm going to see you on Saturday, I guess, right? Yeah. I wish we weren't seeing you for the reason we're seeing you. But I know. I know. I also am so done going to airports. Can someone just help me? Well, not only that, but it's kind of a mess right now, right? All these delays and weirdness and canceled flights and stuff. So irritating. Yeah, I haven't had any of my flights canceled, but it's the threat of it perpetually is so annoying. And anyway, I forgot to ask you what you're doing. Are you staying, where are you staying? Not that we have to do our whole itinerary here, but are you?

Yeah. Because we'll. Misha figured it out. Oh, Misha did the whole thing. Hips caliber. Oh, beautiful. I know. Vegas.

there's what do you mean where am I saying I'm going to circus circus you kidding me we're going we're going to be in our still have the baby elephant that pulls the slap that's a real bum that's a real bummer um no we're in so we're in our time share thing and I thought if you hadn't had anything arranged we'll probably have a pull out or something I just didn't know what you were doing yeah I Misha kindly just said I'll figure it out just get yourself here okay but I'm only there like I'm like Saturday I fly out Sunday so it's not yeah you're in and out really one night and you're gone so yeah busy times everybody I hope things calm down for everybody in the month of of November for the rest of it listen to yourself

you are clearly not a mother or a woman or paying attention to what's going on with mom right now or at all in charge of anybody yeah you're right it's just me being an overly just being a little optimistic and uh you know we'll see how it I'll take it I'll take it uh good well it's good to have you here when he comes here on Therapy Thursdays to talk about you guys and your problem. She's an actual therapist with a real job, but sometimes she slums it here and helps you with yours, not with your job, with your problems. Anyway. I can help you with your job.

Yeah, I help you with your job. Sometimes it is about your job. In fact, today is this one? No, this is not this one. Anyway. This is about his job. Yeah. Last week was definitely about a job.

Anyway, I'm going to go ahead and read this one and we'll talk about it on the other side. This is Mike from North Dakota, who says, hello salad and beans that's me and you Brian I have to be beans oh this is the wrong email shit sorry I was like who wrote this is I skipped down to Farts our regular email today my bad

Anchor wrote in the people that make your portable speakers and headphones and stuff just kidding I don't know who it is dear Wendy of the boys I have been working in a creative field for most of my adult life and there are days where I feel like everything is going amazing and everyone around me is as on board as I am. And then the very next day, I feel like no one cares about anything that I am doing

or making. And those around me are just hanging on by thread of interest. And then the next day, I am back to feeling like things could not be going better. You get the idea. Is this normal to have these kinds of peaks and valleys when it comes to their work or their impact on the world? Pretty sure this stuff is all on my head and things are going great. But try and tell me that tomorrow when we might not have the same conversation. And we might not have the same conversation. It's driving me crazy and making me feel like I don't actually know what is real in my professional life. Any advice? I love Therapy Thursdays and what Wendy brings to the show as a whole, respect, needs an anchor. I don't know why it says needs an anchor, but needs an anchor. He said the

name on that thing I got was whatever, but I don't know what that means. Needs an anchor. An anchor speaker, an anchor charger deal. Maybe. Yeah. You and I are fans of that brand. We like those guys. Yeah, let us know what you need. I might actually have an extra around here. Got some earbuds or whatever. Anyway, so Wendy, it seems like a, I don't know, I feel, I can relate to this one back in the day, especially the job I work in. You're always having, I don't know, it's kind of a form of imposter center, I suppose. It totally is. Yeah. Where do you want to go with it? Okay. Well, yeah, the back and forth is pretty normal. I mean, I would love a little more detail, like,

what is the creative field? Yeah, that would help. And it's like the reliance on people being interested, yeah, which is back and forth every day. So you guys would have a really good sense of what this was like. So I want you to go in the archives. Like when, do you not feel this anymore, either of you? I still do every once in a while. Yeah, I do too. I think it's with any, I mean, there's probably parallels on the like more white collar kind of like.

like you go into the office every day, you're working on accounting or whatever, human resources. I don't know what people do in an office anymore. I've forgotten. But, um, but it feels like, wear pants. Yeah. Okay. Well, they've already got me beat. Uh, but the, but I feel like with a creative job that, you know, that probably, um, not amplifies it, but makes it makes it, makes it likely to happen on this side. Like, uh, uh, shoot, I worked really hard. come up with that design or or this logo i design then why aren't they happy with it why you know why do they feel just kind of why do i feel disregarded on some of this stuff but then you're right yeah the next day it's like oh i feel appreciated and respected it and acknowledged and yeah definitely

the same kind of stuff here too you just feel like um so part of it with my deal and brian can relate to this too i'm sure you the the feedback is audience feedback uh or listener or reader feedback and sometimes you don't either get it or maybe one negative one came in in a sea of positive ones and those negative ones just stand out like a wart like where did this war come from and that's that's hard to get over but also just those days where people are just living their lives and busy and are enjoying what you're making they just aren't going out of their way to tell you all at the time sometimes you can take that as like why is it so quiet in here and then you may mention it like I've done that before I'm in the show I'm like man you

has been quiet last few days and then suddenly I'm flooded with stuff saying oh I'm there all the time I just don't always say it so I'm going to say it more you know what I mean like it's always seems like it and it and then it brings you back to like oh okay things are fine everybody's cool we're all good and then it's just this weird like right where right sometimes yeah I don't think it's as bad what he's describing sounds a little more extreme to me um but but yeah I think we can relate. Okay. So the extreme might be there at a maybe beginning of a project or something or, um, you know, the timing can be relevant or whatever. Right. So what I would do with this is, I would ask a couple more questions. Like I'd understand what the business was first. I think that

helps. Because sometimes what you can find is like the very thing they're doing is like their dream. And so the vulnerability is really big there. versus another creative project where they're just like, oh, this is fine. You know, like, so we bring to things our needs. And sometimes those needs are not actually appropriate for the thing we're bringing it to, right? So if I need to know I am a good person and now I require the internet to respond well to me in order to know that, that is putting a lot of weight all on the internet, you know?

Like it's, and so sometimes I, with folks that I deal with something very similar is so often their job will either be the absolute worst nightmare for their personality, right? Like they've, they sought out a thing, probably because they're creative, right? And they're maybe more sensitive to whatever. And then they get into a particular place where that sensitivity is just like lit on fire. every day. So I'd get really curious about what it is and then why we're there. And then what need is this filling? And then where else in your life are you maybe neglecting that that need should be getting filled? So maybe it's some other kind of feedback or support or whatever. If it's going to cause you to crumble, there probably is some place that it's in the wrong

spot. So I would go through all those things, kind of dig around, see what we can find. I always, you know, if you ever want to see people who need just like chronic mental health treatment, watch stand-up comedians. They are incredibly obvious about it, at least to me. And some are like on the nose directly talking about it, but they will describe this, like, need like the drug that it is to have everyone laughing and to to be centered and have it going well is a high they you know you can't probably understand unless you've experienced that and how important that is and and you know why they got there in the first place and you know so I find that endlessly fascinating and I wonder if people are less funny the more healthy they get

just to be honest there's um interesting movie coming out with will not Porte, not Farrell, who is married to Amy Poehler? Arnett. Wynette, thank you. A movie coming out with him where, you know, everything goes wrong in his life and he actually turns to stand-up comedy, but it looks like it might be kind of the support of what you're saying in the... Yeah, you work it through public and then get the accolades or the, or you bomb.

Like, it is so vulnerable and risky, right? And so I love when I'm working with people, and we're often talking about their jobs. There is always something about a job that is just needling an actual core need that they don't realize that they're suffering because of it. And they could, you know, and that's what I help them do is figure out, can we meet that need some other way? Or what if you didn't do a job that tortured you every day? you know so um sometimes it's that we just kind of get going etc so it sounds like this person is always been creative i'm going to just assume they're sensitive typically creative people also have just more ability to see and feel and some of that why would you say that why would you

yeah why would you say it to us oh my gosh i'm feeling this feeling this heart hold on hold on i need to go journal this uh i had a client the other day she leads this team that it's such a stressful work environment. And she said, her person, whatever people she manages, says, so I need to take the day off. I'm not doing well. And she's like, okay. And so on Monday, she's like, how are you doing?

How are you feeling? She goes, I just needed to listen to my body. And my client's like, I get it, but also don't. She's like, if I listen to my body, I'd be in the hospital. I was just talking to Brian earlier about those air plugs that you squeeze into your ears. And all I can hear is like heartbeat and weird intestinal things and literally listening to your body. It's awful like that. You hear that all the time?

That sounded real. It was real. Well, it was recorded real. I didn't do it in real time. And it wasn't mine. I should say. Okay. All right.

Yes. Yes, I am. Damn it. Yeah. I mean, nothing's changed. No. I know the answer to that. Anyway, okay.

Surprised to you? No, I know. Have I met you before? Well, one thing I would do here, though, is like I would have, hold that apart a little bit of like, what are your fears and how is this playing into them? And why are, why the ups and down every other day, kind of pay attention to like, what are you doing on the day it's up? What are you doing on the day that is down? People are often behaving in ways that actually make them feel worse and are just not, don't know, right? So, for example,

you know, everyone's having their coffee or drinking their caffeine in the day. And for some people, it is really not a great drug on their brain. And for others, it is awesome. But for everyone, it's headache prevention or wakes you up. But your own individual sort of system might not thrive with certain elements. And so I would have this person look at how they're spending their day a little bit too. Like how overall are they caring for themselves? And then as well as what does this mean?

What does this... do for you or not do for you and do I need it do I need to be this the like the comedian thing I need everyone laughing with me is an interesting thing to um think about right um you hear that you hear a lot you hear a lot of tech comedians talk about that how they yeah they need it or you know can't go on without it sort of thing yeah yeah so are you guys familiar with gary Coleman the comedian Goldman? No. You know, I'm Brian? He has this amazing joke. He's like, either you've never heard of me or I am your favorite comedian of all time. And it's so true. Anyway, he is absolutely hilarious. He does a bit about a shatter-proof backboard at a JCC that will make you wet your pants. It's super fun. So look that up. Oh, I have seen this guy. Yeah. Okay. So I recently saw him here and it was 100% a giant therapy session and so funny and so well done. But the story is this. He was a very bright kid and his father, his parents got divorced and his father comes along and says he's not mature enough and demanded the school district not let him advance past the first grade. repeat the first grade. So a very bright kid repeating first grade in the 70s, so you can

imagine. And he is, the summation, you know, maybe you all see this. So spoiler alert, but the summation of the whole thing, which had so many funny details and amazingness, was that his dad was a seven-year-old in 1933 and did not think his son matched that maturity level of what a seven-year-old should be, right? Or six or seven-year-old. And in 1973. Anyway, so, so the summation, though, was he had these books he'd written in first grade and he had them on stage with him and he read them to us and, you know, of this amazing like journey. And then he goes to see his therapist in New York and apparently all the comedians go to the same therapist. So he'd talk about who he would see coming out of the office. It was pretty great. And in the end, he said,

I use my audiences to validate that I'm good enough and smart enough. And that's what you all just sat through for an hour and a half, is to remind me that I am, I've never been the same since that happened. And my whole life has been trying to prove I'm good enough. Wow. Right? And you're like, yeah, hi. We just watched this little therapy journey.

And everyone's like, it was really well done and very funny. But it was also like, wow, I just watched someone completely. the therapeutic reality of most comedians or, you know, I'm not saying this is everyone, but it is very common. And so in the creative fields of any sort, when you need your bank account is based on if someone likes what you put out, as you guys both do, right? You're both in this. It's hard to mess around with trying to understand it a little bit because you need the drive

and to make the things. there's a lot of suffering that goes along with that. So I would recommend he work this out with somebody. As usual, some therapy might help. Shocking. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't sound like he's in dire straits or anything, but that can be a bit of a yo-yo.

Yeah. I notice as, I don't know, I can't speak for anyone else, but myself, but as I get older, I don't care. I have less care about it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what that is. You could probably tell me what that is, but it's probably just like, I don't know. it's fun to talk about you're like i got no poops to give but it really truly there's something in me

that's like less concerned about other people's opinions um people telling me how i should be versus how i want to be you know those kind of things that in your 20s 30s and 40s you feel like you're oh it's so important you're held to it yeah you just have to you have to adhere to it or whatever and now i'm just like yeah go go pound sand oh well yeah pound some sand for all i care that sort of Right. Well, some is just maturing and age, right? And then others experience, right? If you started this career right now, you might not be quite as advanced in it, right? I mean, he did say something interesting. He says, it's driving me crazy and making me feel like I don't actually know what is real in my professional life. So I'm going to guess the balance you've figured out in your lives is that you know when you're not working and you know what is important at home. and what isn't. And maybe some of that delineation is much stronger. Maybe we've had to work on that.

But I'm hearing this from Anchor and I'm thinking, okay, well, you might need some support, right? So take any profession and the ones where people burn out or don't stick around long enough are typically ones where they don't feel supported, even just from a manager perspective or colleagues or whatever, right? And so to find, you know, find your people where you're sort of creative types and you can share together or you can be supportive, right? So most therapists have other therapists that they connect with or we don't call them support groups, but you know, we staff cases together. Like you just can't do stuff alone. And often when we are doing stuff alone, especially of like you're rising in some, like you think of musicians or like famous

people who are just skyrocketing. They're so, they're in so much risk because of the agendas of people around them and not the genuine support that you build over time, which is why, you know, we get the Britney Spears of the world, unfortunately, right? And so you have this like, where are your people who are not competing with you, who support? you can see what you're going through and you can like process with is also a great benefit and yeah and also add on to that people who don't have their livelihood isn't dependent on your success because you know it's it's like having great this person is always going to agree with whatever I do and and not be you know not not because they don't want to rough the waters they don't want

their paycheck to to disappear yeah they need you yeah right blow small poke up your, yeah. And also, it's that reality check. I guess is what I'm picking up on is like if you are unclear what is real in your professional life, what I'm hearing is I don't know if I'm good enough all the time. Like there's some inconsistency or that flipping back and forth, you know, or it's either so big and then the next day it's nothing. Like that's a really quick back and forth.

Yeah. And that whiplash would not feel good. So anything that's going to ground you from that or keep a real good delineation between your private and professional life, you know, everybody needs a friend who's just going to be like, what are you doing? Like you need that honest, whatever. So maybe there's a couple of areas of finding ways to be a little more grounded. So we're less in the, I'm having de-realization in my life from professional to personal, right? because creative endeavors are from your soul, right? There's a big difference between like,

I'm going to go put a few widgets together on it. Yeah. What is it, 1940? Some widgets. Some widgets. Yeah. Let's get some widgets going. Yeah, no, it's, I think this is all really, this is all really good.

It's all a very personal thing. And we take it more personally than if I was out harvesting potatoes. And there's nothing wrong with harvesting potatoes. In fact, sometimes I'm jealous. us of what that is there's something about like the just doing the the routine of just chunk chunk chunk a through z and you're done you go home and you watch your do list is empty at the end of the day because you did all the things you need to do for your farm yeah there are times where I'm just like that sounds awesome you know and then I'm like but yeah what's the internet like though

anyway and what do they think of me and I mean you're asking for feedback all the time and sometimes getting feedback whether you want it you know that is really tricky. In fact, I was recently reading a study about physicians who are really good like super physician or super theorists. They were calling super shrinks, right? Anyone who's really good in their field, what makes them different from others? And specifically, it was about therapists. And like, why are some really good and some are not? What are they doing differently? And you're not going to find some particular thing or style or who's like, oh, I do that and then I'm good. And so they're trying to figure out what it is.

And the main thing they were really coming down with in most industries, including therapy, is that it's people willing to take and listen to feedback, seek feedback, make changes, like honing their craft. That is the ones that do excellent work. The ones where we cannot take the feedback, we are protective of whatever we think we're doing right, tend not to be as good. And so I imagine when you're creating something and it's just coming from a vision in your head and you create it, put it out in the world, any feedback is like, well, sorry, that's the thing I had my head would be really difficult. So you're in a place where you're going to get it all the time and people will pay or not pay you for that creative act, but actual feedback, which is part of getting good. is like very vulnerable to do.

And it's vulnerable for anyone in any industry, but especially so and it's creative, I think. Yeah, I agree. Well, let us know how things go. Hopefully this will give you a little perspective and it will make those days a little less rollercoastery for you. But like Wendy says, therapy is often the answer. Wendy, always a pleasure.

I guess we'll be seeing each other this weekend. So I look forward to that, but also in the meantime, Any No Better You stuff, people should be looking at work. You should all go to No Better You and give me your email and then things will come eventually. But I would actually like to propose something different for next week if anyone is available to do this. I would like some live mojo. Do people listen live, Scott? Oh, yeah.

People have been commenting about every single thing you've said, good and bad. Yeah, good and bad. All right. That's so nice. Thank you guys for protecting me from all the bad feedback. It means I'll never get better. So there's better. Anyway, I would love if somebody would do this with me.

So this last round, we did happiness, the happiness molecular happiness class. And we were all given up something that was making us miserable. And people gave up lots of different things. One person, Scott, gave up done for donuts. Oh, how do you do that? I know. So sad. Anyway, but I gave up news and social media.

And I have not come back. So I'm going on five weeks now, and I have so many observations I just want to talk about. I would love that because I've done the same thing with consuming on those platforms. I still do stuff where if I make something, I'm posting about it. But I stop consuming. So I do want to talk about that. But what I want is some people to volunteer as tribute this week and do it. Live.

Yeah. Okay. So if they can do a week off before we can talk, would be awesome. Okay. And just pay attention. If you can't pull it off, just like write a note why. You know what? It's more about to observe yourself in your attempt to basically decouple yourself from the dopamine delivery system.

So you might have, it's just Facebook or whatever, like pick something that you are unintentionally doing. and that makes you feel a little crappy. And what I mean is, like, you just muscle memory, you just pick up your phone, you click on this thing, and then you spend an hour and you feel like crap after, and you beat yourself up because you waste a time. Those things, so pick one of those, give it up, and then we'll talk about it next week because it is really tough.

It doesn't have to be like, you know, digital, right? Like mindlessly munching on stuff at my desk because we have all this leftover Halloween candy counts, right? Yes. So, for example, I have a client who's doing this with me, right now and it's he gets his coffee he goes and sits in his office and then he scrolls the news for an hour and a half and doesn't start working and he's like I have got and then he's unmotivated the rest of the day so we have just said you can only have coffee standing and talking to real people like that's his new rule and so he's going to do that for a week and then we'll see because what

happens is you'll have a couple days where you'll be like and then things will start clicking in some fun ways and I'm really excited to talk about. I'll tell you what I'll do just to help facilitate this. We'll create a forum inside of the TMS group on Discord and I'll reiterate what you said and let people, you know, kind of establish their ideas. If they want, you want to be public about it or not. And then we can kind of know who's doing what. So by next week we kind of have a better idea of who's who and, you know, how they did. And then have them if they want to put anything in there or if we want to do it live where they can just offer what I'm really the most interested in is what are they noticing about their brains because we are all training our brains every day like we're

mad scientists to behave in certain ways and to experience the world in certain ways and I want to know what they notice as they stop some of that training and what happens with motivation or what happens with reward anything with their dopamine reward feedback system just anything they're noticing. So it's really an observation. Try a little experiment, observe, and then we'll talk about the observations. Okay. Sounds awesome. I love it. Wendy, have a great week. Have a good couple days until we see you. Hopefully your stupid plane ride is not dumb. Okay. I probably will be, but I hope it isn't. All right. We'll talk to you later. All right. Stupid airlines. Yeah. She's, poor thing. She keeps having it. It's easy for us. We're like, oh, five hours of

Vegas. Let's go. It's get in the car. It's not a big deal. Yeah. But flying is kind of a pain unless you've got plans, you know? It's a big pain right now, for sure. Huge pain. All right, let's get to this quick email and then we'll get out of here. Sure. Mike from North Dakota is the one I accidentally was starting to read before. This is your salad and beans.

That's right. And this is about salad. So perfect timing on the name. He says, hello, salad and beans. I have some thoughts on your Cafe Rio experience. I just took my national food safety certification test, so this stuff is on my mind. Very cool. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

I don't know how you do you just sign up for that and just do a well I'm sure it's part of his job right like it's uh oh yeah probably I don't know what I was thinking it's like oh I just feel like having good safety skills just randomly you know I think I'll take a national for uh national food safety certification test just to see how I do yeah this is how Bobby started flying I think it's a rumor anyway uh he says if you got sick from the salad the first time this would make some sense I think that was about the time that a lot of ecolive outbreaks were happening in leafy greens and they haven't really stopped. My second thought is that more than two people report getting sick from eating the same food, the restaurant in question should contact the health department. We did do that at the time. We called it in and just said, hey, like a family of five, we're all sick. Every one of us in the only common denominator was that food. I don't know what happened after that.

If they, you know, they didn't shut down. If they did anything about it, they didn't report back to you and said, all right, do we have contacted the health department and they're going to show. shut us down for a little bit and a bunch of our employees are going to be out of work for a while, thanks. Yeah, not a lot of follow up on that, I don't think. Yeah. Anyway, it says, so I would have been well within your rights

to contact the health department yourself, but you don't have to take a test to be certified and loving the show, though, says Mike. Oh, pretty sweet. It's very nice. Yeah, I'm curious what that test looks like. I'm just, you know. I know. Yeah, I'd be curious. I would look at it up later and see what that's about.

Like, do they give you a list of symptoms? And you say, okay, that one's E. It's about this one. Nope, that's salmonella. That one, nope, that's just Taco Bell. You have to go through all of them before that one's just talk. I'm having Taco Bell reaction. That's just Taco Bell. Here it is. The National Food Safety Certification, $21.

You get up-to-date interactive engaging courses, mobile-friendly, self-paced format, print your free certificate instantly when you're done, and present it to your state health department. All right. Wow, so for $21, you can take the, you can, like, get some courses and take the test. That's hell of a deal for a certification. Now, if you want to add Utah... Do that, Kim Kardashian.

Look at that. 20 bucks. You've got 20 bucks. That's right. And it's valid for three years. And if you want Colorado or Utah alcohol training, it's specific per state. I'm well trained.

I'm well trained in alcohol. Thank you very much. You could teach them a thing or two. Right. Yes. That one's 45 bucks. So there you go. I've been studying for this time since I turned 15.

My whole live. Thank you for that message. If you'd like to send in your own, there are various ways to do it. There are emails. There are web forums. There are voicemails. There are texts. It's all available at frogpants.com slash tms. Brian, it's time to go. We should play a song and get the, oh, a quick. So programming note, core is today. No coverville, as you mentioned. Correct. Film sack this weekend. It's one we've already recorded, but it will post. I'll be gone Friday through Monday, which means no TMS Friday and no TMS Monday. But we'll be back

Tuesday and do not worry we're not this is not us that Monday we're not bumping Nicole we're bumping we are well we're bumping her a week we're just bumping our week yes we're not we're not canceling Nicole we're bumping yeah we're not going to leapfrog her and go straight to stephen we're going to for the following Monday we're going to go back to Nicole so watch for that I got to let those other two guys know so they know why their schedule's different but oh there you go yeah and uh there will be a guest the connection tomorrow so while I'm listening to music today I'll be thinking about my guess the connection for tomorrow very nice Let's play a song now that they'll have to guess about

until you tell them what it is. Yeah, this is something that folks can listen to as they hop on tomorrow and say, why no TMS? How come Scott didn't tell us? Yeah, always happens. Happens every time. I-Corps wrote in,

Hello, I-Corps in the chat room, wrote in and said, Hello, Salacious and Becrum. I love that Salacious B-crum is the only Star Wars character with a middle name, or at least a middle initial. That's true. There's no...

I'm Luke J. Skywalker, and I'm here to save you, Princess. Yeah, nobody else does. Nobody, I mean, there's probably, there's people, these characters, there's probably, take that back. There's probably characters with three names that we don't think about, but that aren't, yeah, mainline ones, but nobody's saying, oh, look, it's Darth, Anakin Vader. That's right, I'm Ponda Lynn Baba. Wait, see, three, P.O. There you go. Is Jarr, his both his first name and his middle name?

This Jar Jar Binks is a... Yeah, I don't know. It's a very weird thing that they give this one prominent character, a middle initial. Darth Michael Vader. There you go. Darth Michael Vader. That's awesome. I love it.

Anyway, uh, hello, salacious and bee crumb. Uh, on November 14th, I will turn 60. What? Hold on. Hold up. You're lying, you big liar. I need to get to the gym. That is some horseshit.

No kidding. I'm kidding. I would have put you 12 years younger than us. I was going to say, how do you look 10 years younger than us, but you're actually five years old than us? No one's going to believe this. This is some horseshit. I just don't believe it. Exactly.

Exactly. Clean living. As a birthday present to myself, I'm retiring. At least that's the plan. Thanks for being a big part of my life. It's great to have friends and connections in this crazy world. If you could play Jake Shimibukuro's cover of While My Guitar Gently Weeps, that would be great.

Jake can do things with a ukulele that you don't think are possible. It's so freaking true. Can we test the ship's phaser horn? Ah! Oh, that combo. Yeah, so phasers. There you go. Let's test the ship's phasers. Okay.

And then the honk. There you go. It's been a while since I've heard less, let's test the ship's phaser. At least it's been a while since I paid attention to just how she says phasers. Yeah, it's an all-time classic for a reason. I love it. I love that guy's mom. That guy's mom will be of this forever.

All right. Yeah, for sure. Exactly. Louv Rob by Pros, bro, signed Icor. Nice. Nice little play on the, I love the show, bro. All right. Jake Shimubukoro and his cover of the Beatles,

While My Guitar Gently Weeps. This thing is absolutely amazing. And it feels like when you listen to him play, it feels like there are eight people playing ukulele. But it's just him. And the things he's able to do with the ukulele to make so many simultaneous different sounds come out of it is absolutely amazing um anyway uh here you go from the album gently weeps from 1990 no 2006 here is jake shima bucuro and while my guitar gently weeps

POMAYOR. Thank you. Thank you. Music . Thank you. I don't know. I mean,

We're going to be able to be. I'm going to be able to be. I don't know. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Yes, get more at frogpant.com. You think this is a joke?