The Morning Stream - TMS 2934: Raw Chicken Patterns
Episode Date: December 11, 2025THE CHICKEN IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE! Prolapsed Woopie. The Farting is Probably on the Menu. Snipping the Tip. Oatie Face. Taco Bell at 250 Pesos. Every airport has a train. Thank you for being... a Brent. Almost Six Five-hundreds. When in Doubt, Throw it OUT. Non-Decorative Hobbies. Oh Hi, the Brian Dunaway Story. An Actual Woman. Lost Driveways. What kind of dog is this, with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to TMS.
It is December 11th, 2025.
Scott Johnson here.
Brian Abbott there.
What's going on?
Hello.
Hello, it's Thursday.
It's, I think, one of my favorite days of the week.
Maybe my favorite day of the week.
I like Thursdays quite a bit, too.
Yeah, we've talked about this before.
We've got the anticipation of the weekend coming.
It's just nice.
Yeah, I always feel a little better on Thursdays.
But then I do this thing where I marathon shows on Thursdays.
and then I'm really tired at the end of it.
I've got to figure that out.
I mean, it's just because core goes so long.
It's just so long.
Four hours long.
Yeah.
Three and a half hours on average.
That's a long time to be in front of a microphone.
But today it starts later.
We start today at four o'clock because from four to five 30, we have a regular show,
or 500th show.
Oh, congratulations.
Yeah, it's a pretty good little.
I think you're really going to stick with this thing.
Yeah, I feel like maybe this one's going to go the distance.
Maybe it's going to work out.
Yeah.
And then right after that, we roll right into those game awards.
So it's going to be a bit of a marathon tonight.
Oh, right.
Yes.
I think that goes to like nine or eight or eight 30 or something.
Holy cow.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's going to be nuts, though.
But another 500, that's, I don't know how many 500s that is.
The show obviously passed that mark a long time ago.
Yes.
We've had six 500s or.
Let's see.
What is today's episode is 2934.
Oh, almost six 500.
Yeah.
Five.
500 we've had five five hundreds yeah and we're 66 episodes away from our our sixth 500 yep
that's a lot of 500s you guys that is a lot of 500s yes we're like 20 something episodes away no
I'm sorry 40 something episodes away from 3,000 no we're right it's 2934 today right yeah so was that
we're 66 oh 66 episodes yeah I'm thinking that would be seven today would have been 60
Oh shit
We've fallen into the trap
We've fallen and we talked about
In and out yesterday with the whole 6-7 thing
Amazing
I know it's all coming around
The kids are right
The kids are right
All roads lead to 6-7
Yeah the kids were right the whole time
Yeah
Hey I got a story that it started out as like
Oh my gosh we've got a trend to
I know I know
I was so stupid oh my gosh
I was excited so excited for this
Okay great I can't
You're gonna be embarrassed
You're gonna be embarrassed for me
all right oh no okay so you know the other day I told you there was a whole chicken uncooked just laying in the neighbor's driveway yeah that's still you know that happened that was a thing I threw it away never never could figure out what happened yesterday I go out there and I see a chicken wing on my driveway okay but this time it was cooked and I was like oh the plot thickens what's going on here did
someone swing by here and throw a cooked piece of a wing, you know, it looked like it had been
like even seasoned. The skin was kind of brown and whatever. And it was just laying there
on my driveway. So I get my phone. Like a full chicken wing, not like a little buffalo wing,
but like a full chicken. Yeah, like a full, like detached from the shoulder or whatever you call
that on a chicken. But not deep fried, like no batter or anything. It was like, but it did look like it
been cooked. Yeah, like a baked. Rotissory. There you go, rotissory style. That's it. Yeah.
Couldn't think of the word. So that's just laying out there. Yeah. And I go, oh,
right. This story just got a new chapter. I'm like, all right, are people, anyone around here?
I'm going to figure this out. And then I presented this and Kim goes, that's ours. And I said, it's what?
She goes, yeah, that's ours from that, from that lemon pepper chicken I made like two weeks ago.
It was finally kind of going a little south because nobody finished all the leftovers. So I threw that out.
you must have dropped it on your way out to take it to the garbage.
To take the trash out?
Yeah.
So I think that was just me doing that.
I just dropped chicken.
But because, I mean, there's a lesson in this about escalating stories, right?
Oh, sure.
You see things that support your bias and you immediately jump to it.
We're looking for patterns.
We're looking for raw chicken patterns all the time.
Raw chicken patterns are everywhere.
It turns out.
But yeah, that was just me dropping chicken.
Could it, if it, maybe it wasn't you dropping it as a possible that you, that a fox or a coyote or something got the chicken out of the?
Possibly. It could be an animal. It could be even one of the, we have a giant neighbor dog that's about the size of a truck. It's possible that dog did it. It's possible. There's a bunch of possibilities. But also, you know, me walking out there with a couple of bags. If the bag was like had a little hole or not quite totally tied up at the top or something.
um as i took it out to where the where our cans were
it's possible it just flopped out there but it was definitely chicken we had
and uh also i was irritated because i think that chicken still had life in it i could have
eaten it not that i'm going to eat it now that's been on the ground but i don't think that
two week old chicken was had gone south yet no gosh no it might have been oily it may be
a little greasy yeah two weeks is on the edge man that's on the edge how do you go how do you
test you smell it sniff test absolutely yeah yeah and what's the smell on chicken that you don't want
it's just like a kind of rotting flesh kind of anything that doesn't smell like what it should smell
like basically you know you base it on the seasons that was lemon pepper chicken if you smell something
that's stronger than the lemon and the pepper then then that's where you need to draw the line and
say okay I'm smelling something that's different that's not lemon nor pepper you know how do I
How do I, how do I get this out of the house in one piece into the trash can without dropping a wing on the ground?
I just hate, I hate wasting food so much that I probably err on the side of it a little bit more when there's something.
Listen, I still have that damn salty barbecue in the fridge because I'm like, I could eat some of it.
You can put it with something else, something bland, and then maybe the combination of the two will equal the normal amount of sodium.
That's so, so dumb.
By the way, huge, huge things to sports cut in the chat.
He says, advance, Merry Christmas, Scotty, too haughty, I, Brian, and the TMS chat plus all other frogpans shows.
I've been listening for nine years and I always love listening to you to chuckleheads and read from the community and made a donation of 250 bucks.
Whoa!
Generous little Christmas, it's a Christmas miracle.
Holy crap sports cuts. Can I come there and get my bowl cut? I'm trying to get it.
That's right. Do you put on?
television like the the i've never been in one of those obviously they came out after i started
shaving my head the sports haircut places yeah yeah i don't know what they actually do there what's
their um specialty just that just that you get a haircut while you're looking at oh at NFL channel
or something okay so there's TVs around and all that it's like a sports bar instead of a bar
yeah exactly oh is it really 250 pesos oh it is
Yeah, so it's like $1.50 or something like that.
Yeah. Well, it's still very nice. It's fine. It's very nice. Yeah.
I mean, I got.
C. L. Dorito. Yes.
It's terrible.
All right. Let's see. Who can top that?
Yeah. Top 250 pesos.
All right. Well, it's still very nice to be very generous.
That was very nice. We see $2.50.00 and we go, oh, dollars.
I don't know how to understand these chat things.
I know. Imagine if it was yen.
be like 40,000 yen or something.
It would be,
250 yen would be
$0.88 or something like that.
I don't know.
Still feel like if I lived in Japan,
I would, I would petition the government
to just get to figure it out.
Make a larger denomination or something.
When you walk into a place and they go,
how much is that bolarama?
That'll be 650 billion yen.
It's like, okay.
I mean, maybe it doesn't matter now because we're all electronic.
It's all phones and credit, but.
It's right. Exactly.
It might as well be.
space points for all it matters.
Yeah, it's very weird.
Anyway, Brian.
20 bucks. All right. So that comes out, 250 pesos comes out to about 20 bucks.
Oh, that's not bad. Yeah, that's not bad.
So that's like, I don't know, what can you get, what can you get in Mexico for 20 bucks?
Oh, I don't know about Mexico, but I can get a couple Taco Bell value meals or whatever
they're called, boxes, what the, the deluxe box or what they're.
Oh, the cravings box. Those are really good.
Cravings box. That's the one.
Let me give you some advice about Taco Bell yesterday.
My daughter, Taylor, picks them up for us and brought it here.
Yeah.
Just was being very nice.
She's like, hey, you want Carter on lunch?
I'm like, sure, that'd be great.
So she brought it over.
And here's the trick.
Even if you're ordering off DoorDash or something, there's a trick.
The trick is you go to their values menu.
And you could say this about any place.
But in particular, there are like, for example, there are combos on the Taco Bell menu.
They're going to run you $12.
bucks but if you go to the values menu you'll find the exact same three items yeah yeah buy them
separately they're like a dollar 20 99 cents two bucks whatever and you'll end up spending like
four bucks on the same thing totally or or you do the the cravings box which lets you swap out things
and it's like great all right cravings box but swap out the the you know the soft taco for a bean
burrito or whatever i mean you can you can get to the things you want too with a little
swapouts. Yeah, and there's a ton of food to be had if you're into that food. I mean,
I'm not saying it's good food, but it's, you know, it's cheap food. It's cheap food. And sometimes
you just crave it and you want it. And I did yesterday and I had a fantastic little beefy burrito
cheesy thing and some kind of double-layer taco thing. And it was good. I spent like three bucks.
Yeah. I would do that today, but I've got leftover spaghetti that I can't wait to dive into.
Oh, throw a little of that barbecue on top of there, say. I could actually. You know,
would kind of work because it is beef
it's like a beef bolognese sauce
and a little bit of
burnt ends salty burnt ends
I don't know about the barbecue flavor though
yeah
the barbecue flavor or the barbecue sauce flavor
I don't think would go well with the bolognese
yeah putting that on there is a little weird
yeah Brian you got some advice for our hobbies
I do yeah so we've talked about the
fantastic offering from the
um
Bob Smith Industries uh glue
this is the best stuff this is the stuff I get at
Hobby Town, and it is
clearly $4.79
for a little tube right there.
Not bad.
And, you know, like
hating to waste food, I also hate to waste glue.
And sometimes when you're using this, you
put your little bloop, blu, blu, you
glue on stuff, and then you cap it,
and then you set aside. And then the next time, it's like,
oh, there's a little bit of crusty glue on there.
I've got to kind of scrape that off with
an exacto or whatever. And
I've thrown away so many bottles that had
half of the glue in here because I've I've you know I kept cutting down the um the little
applicator bit to get rid of the crust that was up at the top I've tried jabbing um
things down in there to open up the hole um the dude at hobby town said here's what you do
you you cut the little tip off right and a little tiny little tip cut off on there yeah and then you take
A little tiny nail.
Now, this problem is, this is a picture hanging nail.
There's probably better nails.
There are definitely better nails upstairs that I didn't bother to go up and get.
But you just basically put the nail down into the tip and you keep it there.
Put the cap on top of it with the nail in there.
And then when you get ready to use the glue, you pull the nail out, use your glue, put the nail back in, put the cap back on.
Does it resist sticking to the metal or something?
Is it how?
It does.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like the metal, for whatever reason, the metal, the metal nail,
comes out a lot easier than the
than you know
trying to put like a wooden toothpicker
or a plastic toothpickers
probably do some similar thing like that
with most of those kind of adhesives are hardcore
glues and stuff yeah like your
your crazy glue well crazy glue probably
would do well with metal this stuff does
you know
Bob Smith Industries
CYA glue cyano acrolyte
I love Bob Smith he's the best
Bob Smith I hope Bob Smith
that's a guy who's just like you know
what i don't need a special fancy name we're just going to but it is but it is funny that that's
like oh i've invented this glue you know what this needs is is a good unique name like bob smith
industry's glue yeah hi bob smith industries how can i help you i love it yeah love it so that's
great nice little tip there you go tip take that very and that you know what don't be putting
nails in your tip but do in this case um that this is great advice because
I know we have a bunch of people in our community.
Yeah, a lot of hobbyists, a lot of people who build models,
a lot of people who do other things.
Easy reader says, can use a thumbtack and leave the cap off?
Yeah, I mean, if the thumbtack is,
if the pin part of the thumbtack is wide enough to completely block the hold,
then yeah,
because all you need is something that keeps air from getting in there.
Yeah, as long as you keep air from getting in,
you won't harden or lose, you know, you won't lose the whole bottle.
Exactly.
So.
That's cool.
nice thanks hobby what's the what were they called what's the place hobby town hobby town
i don't know who that is better than hobby lobby hobby town USA we've got a few of them here
in denver i love it it's like they've got it's all stuff well i was going to say it's all stuff
for things that i love but they have more than that they've got like rc cars and rc planes kind
of stuff train model train kind of stuff but then one whole side is the valetho paints that i
like the really good brushes big exacto cutting tables and things like that and then another section
are like the the um aurora models that you used to get as a kid like of monsters and superheroes
and funny cars and stuff like that's cool it's like hammond toy no is it hammon toys there used to be a
place here maybe there still is and it was like that it was like a lot of it wasn't just going to
Michaels or something where it was all crap materials.
Right. That's what differentiates it from Michaels. It's not like aisles of styrofoam in every shape
possible and floral plastic flowers as far as the eye can see.
This is like, now this is for, you know what, this is men's hobby town.
Yeah. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. It's not. It's not men's heavy town.
Ladies are welcome. You can come in there too.
You're non-decorative hobbies. You're, you know, your serious models and trains.
and RC cars and planes and stuff like that.
Van and I have a tradition when we go to these stores, any of those.
They always have the letters, you know, like the big painted letters or the ones you can paint.
And I will always go find the V and a V and A and an N and make his name.
Oh, I thought you're going to say you put fart.
You'll fart out on the shelf.
No, but that's a great idea.
That's what we'll do when he's 12.
But for now, when he's six, I just make his name and have him stand by and we take a picture.
So I got like, I don't know.
10 of these shots of him standing by his name in a hobby store.
That's cool.
Kind of fun.
But yeah, the fart thing's probably on the menu at some point.
Yeah, I think when he's tired of that, you move on to fart.
Yeah.
I did give him a whoopee cushion about two weeks ago.
I think we talked about it.
He thinks that's the greatest thing in the history of the planet.
Still enjoying the whoopie cushion.
Well, so this is one of those where if you are, if you love it too much, you're going to break it.
And he ruined the lip part.
It like tore open with a really hard sit or something.
Uh-huh.
Prolapsed.
Like a prolapsed whoopsy cushion.
Yeah.
It wasn't meant for such things.
So we're going to have to get them another one.
I don't know what I'll get him.
Yeah, that's sewn back up.
Probably get them like one of those self-inflating ones or something.
So you don't have to blow on it all the time.
That's right.
Oh, geez.
Let's get some news out of the way.
And then a little bit later, we'll be joined by my sister, the therapist, Wendy Dunford, who will help us with some therapy.
But before that, we're going to do this.
It's time for the news, brought to you by.
Brought to you by.
Another thing that I do every year, you get your Beatles show around Thanksgiving.
You've got your countdown around the end of the year, around the last two weeks of the year.
But before we do that, we have to do a Christmas coverville.
Covers of songs that are either your traditional Christmas songs or more modern Christmas songs,
like, all I want for Christmas is you and Zat You Santa Claus and stuff like that.
You're going to hear people like, you won't hear Mar I carry.
I'll tell you that.
with with with a complete certainty no today you're getting here folks like
phoebe bridgers st vincent the darkness brian adams the renaissance um
the oh hellos which is a band that i figure uh uh must have had some inspiration from
brian dunaway who probably has a band called the oh hi oh yeah right no that's a great name for
something oh hi the oh highs there's a movie coming out or came out already called oh hi oh is it like a
that sounds like a place right like in over there is an there is an oh hi oops oh hi yeah and it's
oh j a i california right california okay is that the is that the movies about or
set in or something uh no there is i think the movie is actually oh h h i oh truly a done away
experience great it's truly a done away experience yeah it's uh 2025 american romantic comedy
film directed by Sophie Brooks
and starring
Molly Gordon and Logan Lerman.
Ah, people I don't know.
People you don't know.
Oh, also starring David Cross.
There's the first name that you'd recognize in Ohio.
Yeah, he painted blue because forget it if he isn't.
He's not.
I'm sorry.
He did not blew himself for this film.
That's too bad.
Yeah.
Well, that's great.
Doing it live today right after the show or?
Live right after the show.
That's right.
That's what we were talking about.
about 1015, 1030 a.m. Mountain Time, Twitch.com. TV slash Coverville.
Fantastic. Our first story today, a woman in complete disbelief.
Oh, man, she's a disbelief woman is what she is. As she discovered, her entire driveway has been stolen.
I have a photo of this, and it's going to blow your minds when you see it. It's pretty crazy.
Yeah, can't wait to see this. There's an actual realtor. She's a realtor. She has been left shocked after discovering somebody made off with her entire driveway.
Page Baton of Tennessee had bought the house back in 2024, hoping to quickly flip it.
Things appeared to have been going swimmingly with the job, but a buyer coming to visit the property in November this year with a buyer coming to look at it.
So last month, I guess.
Yeah.
But Paige was in for shock, which you got a call from the potential buyer, as they had seemingly innocuous questions for her that left her shocked and wondering what the earth had happened on Earth had happened.
But there's a lot of use of the word shock here.
Shock, a lot of shock.
Story was picked up by local news stations.
She explained, let's see.
I would argue that you can't steal a driveway.
You can just turn a concrete driveway into a dirt driveway.
You know what?
I'm going to agree.
The use of the term stolen implies they took a thing that they could then resell or have
or do another driveway with.
There's no way.
It also implies that once you take away the concrete, it ceases to be a driveway.
and it's still a driveway.
It's just a dirt driveway.
It's like my escalator's broken.
No, your escalator just turned into stairs.
Yeah.
And she thought it was just like a mix up with a contractor or something.
Maybe they thought, you know,
oh, we're supposed to take it out instead of fixed cracks or something,
but they still don't know.
I'd love to see what the before photo,
if there's a before, like what the driveway looks like before.
Maybe the article's got one.
Let's see.
No, no, no.
You'd think as a real.
her, she'd have pictures of the driveway beforehand.
This is her here, I think.
Oh, no, that's someone else.
Woman 43 heartbroken after doctors told her she had two years left despite being
fit and healthy.
Well, that's a dark story.
Geez.
Anyway, I don't know why.
Is that a picture before they told her?
Because that's an awfully happy picture for somebody who just told them two years left.
Yeah, that's an odd pick for a photo.
Anyway, I guess just keep your eye on your driveways, everybody.
you never know somebody who might come and do stuff i always worry about that isn't there kind of a trope
in movies where just you know like one of those big reckon balls will take something down
but i didn't order that but it's the wrong thing wrong house i feel like i've seen that oh for sure
yeah i think that's what's going obviously i want to think money pit but money pit was intentional
that that that house just kept getting demolished bit by bit um but it does feel like you know we've seen
something where there's, you know, a guy standing in the street with his hands on his hips.
Yeah.
Pointing at the house behind him that says condemned.
And then the building over the, you know, then there's a guy with a raking ball scratching his head.
Like, it's not, it's not, am I thinking of Hitchhiker's Guide, the movie where Arthur Dent is, his house is set for demolition and he stands in front of the thing.
His house was set for demolition and he just didn't get the notice about it because of the, it was.
hidden in a
box in the back of a thing
with a sign that says
beware of the leopard
That's right
And they were putting a road through
or something highway
I can't know what the deal was
Something about that's ringing familiar to me
Maybe that's what I'm thinking of
Yeah
Anyway also it's not a prank
Or even a revenge thing
Because to do this
Requires too much
You'd have to come
And get get get get break it all up
Take it away
It's a massive job
You know
You'd pay somebody
eight grand to do that.
Right.
Which she may end up doing.
She's going to be paying somebody eight grand to do it.
Hopefully there's a ring cam with showing, you know, which company came and took the thing
apart so she can kind of track down the chain of command.
Part of me gets a little annoyed that people are still flipping houses and not, there's too
much investment in the housing market, not enough people just being able to afford to live in
homes.
I hate that.
So I'm not saying, I've got relatives who have like four houses that they just rent out because it's an investment.
And I get it.
They do Airbnb at a couple of them.
The other two, they rent to some people who live here.
But I don't like how housing has become investment property instead of the value of it should be that people have a house.
And that it's affordable for more people to get a house and pay for a house.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.
The housing market sucks ass.
I hate it.
The housing market sucks ass.
I don't know if it's because of people flipping houses, but it's, but here, you know, and there, the prices just shot up and.
It's really bad.
Yeah.
And my kids, I can't afford this shit.
Mm-hmm.
You know, we thought it was expensive when we were in their 20s.
They're all like.
Totally, yeah.
No, Tristan Kay, I mean, they currently have to have a roommate with their apartment.
and they're married, married with a roommate.
Yeah.
Feels like it's got bubble quality to it.
Maybe it'll pop.
We'll see what happened.
Yeah.
Big corporate, like Zillow buying a bunch of houses.
It shouldn't be able to do that.
F off, these people.
All right, one final story before we pull Wendy in a zoo in Denmark.
I feel like we talked about this story.
Was it the same zoo?
Let's see.
A zoo in Denmark asked patrons to donate their pets, not as attractions, but for food.
did we talk about that we talked about this yeah um that might have been an old story on it is
august 6th 2025 oh yeah this came up in my feed and i think somebody just reposted it that's all
it yeah so i'll move to this one a drone dropped crab legs steak and old bay uh the the
what do you call it seasoning yeah inside a south carolina prison perfect dang that drone
someone's got a good friend that drone was driven by brian done away
South Carolina Department of Corrections said contraband was dropped by a drone at the Lee Correctional Institution
in what the agency described as an apparent attempt to deliver drugs and other items into the prison.
The agency spokesperson said the drone dropped off items early in the morning hours at the maximum security prison in Bishopville or Bishopville.
In a post on social media, they said this.
Seems like some folks were planning an early holiday, old bay crab boil and steak dinner along with their marijuana and cigarettes.
all dropped off by a drone.
I'm hoping everything was cooked because I don't think you've got the
stuff at prison to cook a steak or boil a crab.
Like this has to be like, yep, we've cooked it,
now we're dropping it as opposed to...
Yeah.
We're dropping raw steak and a frozen crab.
Makes me want to know if they dropped chicken off at my neighbor's house as well
while they were at it, maybe.
Could have been a drone.
I'd have been.
All right.
Well, there's your news.
Hopefully that helped inform you as well as entertain you.
It is time, ladies and gentlemen, to do this.
Something wrong, Batman.
Has anybody seen Wendy?
No, I've seen her.
She's right here.
She's with us now.
Hi, Wendy.
How are you?
Hi.
Hey, what's going on?
How the heck are you?
I'm good.
How the heck are you?
I'm about a week away from you being here again.
I know.
I think I should just live there.
I think so too.
It would make things so much easier.
Yeah.
Or I should get rich.
and take Delta so don't have to walk the whole length of that freaking airport.
I know, right?
Oh, it really, I'll say this, the Solic Airport, the Solic International 2.0 airport,
which has been getting great reviews and high ratings on timeliness and all this stuff.
And it's beautiful what they're doing and really nice thing.
They're on to stage three, whatever that means.
All of that stuff is fine.
But unless you're a Delta flyer, it's hard, everything else is BFE.
And they are talking about putting.
a train
something
yeah
every airport
has a train
yeah so they're doing that
that's part of phase
three or four
whatever they're doing
but right now
because I get there at seven
I'm like
pick me up at 745
yeah
most of that is walking
so anyway
it'll be good to see you
again though of course
and we'll be a little sibling time
hang out with mom
fun stuff
be good
I have a story to tell you
when you get here
it was so stupid anyway
it'll be great
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unless you got anything else you want to lead with wendy okay here we go dear windy and those
other two dorks i think he means us brian great start yeah you think and he's and he's 100% correct
It feels like he's right.
I'm not going to argue with him.
He says, you can call me Brent on the show.
That's my dog's name.
So this is not really a guy named Brent.
I love that he's his dog isn't Brent.
I know.
It's a great dog name, Brent.
You guys, your dog's got a name like that, right, Wendy?
Tommy and his girlfriend up the street is Ivy.
That's amazing.
They just seem like old timers, you know.
Tommy and Ivy.
That's amazing.
Well, anyway, he says this.
I have a question.
Why do I do something in particular all the time?
I really
put in caps
let offhanded comments
get to me
even when the comment
was obviously
throw away
and not meant seriously
someone once told me
as a teen that
10% of joking is real
I think that's how it went
anyway
I feel that I assume
the person saying the thing
always really means
what they are saying
it can be about really
any aspect of life
work, hobbies, sports,
anything.
It just bugs me
for weeks and weeks
and I feel like
I even will avoid that person for a while because I'm mad at them or something they probably,
for something they probably never did, uh, sorry, for something they probably didn't mean
or even do. Uh, anyway, don't know if this has a name, but whatever it is, it drives me
crazy. Some info about me. I am 42. I work a full time job in a tech related field. On the side,
I like to paint golf and fish. I am single, no kids, no girlfriend right now either. I have a lot
of friends, mostly from work, and we hang out
on the weekends. Oh, and I live with
Brent. I hope this helps. Some of
this helps. Sincerely, Brent
in need of Brent and deed is how he cited.
Brent and Need is a Brent.
Yeah, Brent and Need is a Brent indeed.
So, yeah,
that kind of lays it out. This guy hears
somebody make an offhanded little
jab, little side thing, and
he takes it seriously, even though he's
pretty sure the person saying it
doesn't mean any harm. They're just being
fun and ribbing you.
You know, I don't know about the 10%
But I've always I've heard that there's
And Redfragel actually has the quote
Many a truth hath been spoken in jest
But it was like, yeah, there's little truth
And every bit of sarcasm or something
To that effect that I've also heard that phrase
Yeah
And so I am so guilty of this too
Like somebody will make an offhanded comment
Or mean something innocuously
And I'll try and read more into it
You know, some self-esteem issue
I'll read more into it than there really was intended
Well, let me ask, do you try to read more into it or you can't help it?
I can't help it.
Yeah.
It's what happens, it's like a little tiny splinter.
It's like, all right, they say something, pretty funny.
I kind of brush it off.
And then it's like, wait, there's like a little splinter in there.
Oh, it's jabbing deep further and further into my skin, the more I try and brush it off.
I can't get rid of it.
It's going deeper.
Now it's infected.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's a great analogy.
Okay.
I'd like to start here.
What kind of dog?
is this. Clearly, it's a golden retriever. You don't name a pug, Brent. No. But that's even
funnier. Yeah. It's a golden retriever with a red bandana. Sure. Although, I mean, I'm with
Wendy that if it was a pug, that's an amazing name for a pug. It's an amazing name. Right. Get in here.
Okay. So, sorry, that that's distracting until I know I can't answer the other, no, just kidding.
I love what a dog person you become over the years, by the way. I love it. I do love a good dog.
Well, I think, and I think I like cats, too, and I'm confused because I feel like the world has divided itself on cats and dogs, but they're great in their own way.
Like, I think the cat who kind of hates its owner is so funny to me.
Oh, yeah.
Pets are awesome in general, man.
They're great.
They are great.
Okay, all right, moving on.
All right.
So I was told as a teen and it feels real and I've been thinking about it ever since is a thing, right?
And then also, you know, that's probably true.
I mean, Shakespeare did say it best.
Like, it's a thing, right?
And yet, most of us are walking around, that's what humor is, right?
It's gathering, it's awareness enough of a situation to gather some element to then reference that makes it funny or callback or whatever.
Like, it's a sign of intelligence, right?
So if someone is joking with you, so we should talk about this just briefly.
And then we'll get to what this is and what to do about it.
But I think it varies on your history or your background or what felt like love as a kid.
So, you know, I mean, we all know Scott was emotionally and psychologically abusive to me.
Hey, now.
I just chased you one time.
I'm kidding.
Not at all.
But there was enough teasing and there's enough playfulness and there was enough humor and enough jabbing and joking that I think there's a, there's a development.
of like, oh, that's a love language, right?
Right.
And not even like a thick skin.
It's like a, no, you just translate it.
You translate it differently.
Thick skin would be like, oh, that hurts and I'm just dealing with it.
It's more like, if we're not.
Framing it or reinterpreting it or interpreting the way it's intended, I guess.
If I don't make fun of how you say a word wrong, then it doesn't, it means I don't feel
close to you. Right. And vice versa, because I do it all day long, right? So, okay, so there's,
there's, there's, there's, there's a foundational piece to did, is there some sensitivity
generally? Because that is not how you, uh, that doesn't feel like a love language at all to you.
Like, so you kind of can measure your own stuff. I think the key here is some self-awareness,
right? Where is, where is something someone could joke about with you that you would like, be like,
Totally, yeah, because you're aware of it and you're confident about it and it doesn't bug you.
So maybe it's about fishing or your dog Brent.
You're like, yeah, let's tease or joke about that or, you know, let someone make a sarcastic something, you know, because the key is not, are you, like, it's, do you feel confident about that thing?
And are you used to, like, jabbing as a way of interacting?
because some people really are
and they meet other people who are not
and chaos ensues
or you meet someone who does
can also speak that language and you're like
oh sweet I know I'm safe to be
you know do this with this person right so it's
you're all over the map with different people
different things so I can kind of hear it with this guy
like if he's with these friends on the weekend
people he works with and he says
and some of them say hey we're all going to this bar on Saturday
and we're going to do this and this
are you in? And his answer is, oh, shoot, I'm, I'm supposed to be fishing that day.
And then the friends go, I mean, I'm making this up, but this seems reasonable that something
like this could happen where the friends are like, oh, Mr. Fisherman's got to go fishing.
Okay. Well, I guess we'll, you know what I mean? That kind of thing from the giver,
the person saying it, is just taking the piss, however they say it in Europe,
dorking around, you know, busting your balls, as they say in America or who.
wherever, wherever says it.
But on his end, maybe he's, he's taking, like, especially at the beginning,
he's like, yeah, yeah, whatever, okay, I'll see you guys later.
But then later it, like, eats at him.
It's like, do they really think, like, why do they think my fishing's so dumb or what, you know?
Like, I'm obviously, I'm making all this up, but that feels like a common thing that might
happen to our, to our Brent.
Right.
Right.
And the guy saying it, if he had better eloquent words, it.
would be like, we're really going to miss you.
I wish you were coming.
Right.
You know?
It's actually a way of saying, we really want you there.
You're not coming.
I don't know how to handle that disappointment.
So I'm going to mock you.
Well, and the other problem is if he starts to say, let's say he goes,
screw you.
I love my fishing and walks away.
Now he's got a new problem, which is all of his friends are going to walk around on eggshells around this guy.
Right.
And they're like, oh, don't set him off again with the fishing.
Yeah.
We, apparently we struck a nerve.
We can't joke with them about the fishing.
He's very sensitive about that or something.
Which is why it's so disarming when someone will tease themselves for you first
because it means they're like, oh, yeah.
You're opening the door.
You're giving them carte blanche to, right, the self-deprecating stuff you start with.
Yes.
And you're wearing a hat with a giant fake fish on it.
You're like, I'm owning this.
I'm proud of this.
You can all suck it.
And feel that way authentically, right?
So we're talking about how we learn to socialize at our essence.
And every culture will do a slightly different thing here.
And so you can take whatever you've learned and go to another country and be like,
wow, I am bombing.
This is not how this works.
So like this saving face concept in Asian cultures, you know, you're not going to just
razz somebody because of something or you come to Minnesota and you're too direct.
they're going to freak out, right?
Like, it will have its own, people will have their own style.
And within that culture, there's family styles and that, right?
Okay.
But he's, I think, alluding, there's the global look.
But here, if you look at, like, down deep per person and, like, what he feels,
it sounds like he has the brain rumination deal.
That happens a lot with a lot of things, and his brain has chosen this thing.
So people's joking or sarcasm or whatever it might be.
It doesn't matter what it's about.
It will just bug him for weeks and weeks.
That's a long time, right?
And that's what he's saying.
He's like, hello, I don't need to be thinking about this little dumb thing for a long time.
And then I'm going to actually behave in the real world based on this story I've been telling myself.
So we've talked about this before, but essentially this idea that our brain needs to understand what's happening and it will make up.
everything it can to understand.
And if it got,
if someone came to him,
said something,
it's like,
say that little thing happened.
And then the next day,
the guy called him and just said,
you know,
that was not cool with me.
I'm really sorry.
I did not even mean it rude,
but I'm sure it came off that way,
but like,
we just wish you were there.
That's all.
Yeah.
Would that stop the ruminating?
I think it might.
It might for,
it may even for good.
It might even with that person anyway.
It might actually deepen the,
the understanding.
about the two like yeah i see now more where you're coming from and and i now have a better understanding
that you didn't mean any harm by this and yeah and you were just joking and it's also figuring out
you know what things people are confident about with themselves and what things they're really
sensitive about with themselves like somebody could make make a joke about me saying cheese brian
are you ever going to get to paint all those minis you've got in that room and i could be like i know
right you know be totally uh on that but if it's something that i'm more um you know like hey brian
And when are you going to clean up that basement?
I see you're digging mini-discs out there that you bought 25 years ago.
You're like, oh, what are you doing?
Horton down there?
It's like, okay, all right.
It's, you know, easy.
Easy.
This matters.
Yeah, yeah.
So you have that difference, right?
But, I mean, he put here that it can be about anything, which makes me.
Yeah, it's true.
Makes me think there's probably worse ones than others.
But maybe it's a bit of the,
the sort of underlying confidence thing.
So I have no idea if Brent the dog or Brent the man have this issue.
But I think sometimes not knowing quite how to read a social situation can get you into real
trouble.
So take our neurodiverse friends who are not always reading facial expressions correctly
or feeling the vibe and meeting, you know, reading the room.
Like those things can be really difficult.
And so you may also not even know.
know that's what's happening, or you're mis-kewing, and then your brain will do this thing
that every brain does, which is try to make sense of the feeling that you have.
So I'm going to guess someone says something sarcastic, he has a feeling, and then his brain
is going to do a permanent full-time job for weeks to try to understand it so that he doesn't
feel bad anymore.
The irony is that it makes him feel worse.
Right, right.
So I would challenge them to do this.
In fact, let's do this with everyone at the same time.
Let's do it.
Okay.
So everyone think of something recently somebody said or did.
And you can, you know, a part of you is like, well, it's just being funny.
It's just silly.
Like you have a justifier part in your head trying to make it all better, probably.
And then you have another part of you is like, can't stop thinking about it.
Like, what do they mean?
Or do they not like me?
Whatever the story is, but you've got something.
recently.
Didn't everyone got one?
I have one from,
it's kind of from years ago,
but it still bugs me.
So here's a long term one.
I have one from a few days ago.
Oh,
good.
Ryan's got a fresh one.
Oh,
this is perfect.
We got a fresh one.
Then we have a lingering,
festering one.
Very stale one.
Generally speaking,
oh,
I'll just tell you what it is.
So this person is somebody who I like and respect and is close to me and is family.
I'll say that.
That's all I'll say is their family.
And because they literally are family.
Um, and they said some years ago, uh, didn't know I'd heard him say it, but said to somebody else,
they were talking about what everyone does for a living.
Yeah.
And when they got to me, he goes, and whatever it is, Scott does.
And then moved on.
Yeah.
Now, that bugged me.
It still bugs me to this day.
Sure.
Even though there's a part of me that knows they're just, they actually really don't get it.
And they don't fully understand it.
And so they, and they're in a very different place and mindset.
They don't think about any of the stuff I'm doing because it's not in their wheelhouse at all.
So part of me knows that that's just them being flippant and funny and like, well, whatever it is, he does.
Because I know the same person as in other situations said, well, Scott's the one that's figured it out.
He's doing the thing he loves the most.
The rest of us are all scrambling with stuff we don't necessarily like.
So same person said that at a different thing.
same person at a different time and later by the way so it should have been like this healing
moment but instead i just feel like they just don't get me at all they just don't get me and it bugs
me it bugs me to death so there's my festering sore well there we go it's not like it was actually
not going to have you share anything but since you did oh sorry i thought you were asking for that sorry
i was but i was going to have everyone just conjure it and then we were going to all work collectively
with it i'm going to work with yours first and then and everyone can follow the same step
Okay. So what I want you to do, Brian, I'm not going to make you tell yours. It's also very fresh.
Yeah, because it would embarrass somebody in our community, frog pants community here.
Yeah. And drop names. Just kidding. Okay. So I want you to, I want you to conjure the experience.
So both of you picture, because you guys can, I want you to picture when it happened, kind of where you were, what this scenario was.
And the irony, right, is Scott yours is just as fresh as Brian's would be, even though it was years ago.
Yeah, it's like five, six years ago.
Yeah, because it frees, it like it's a freeze frame almost, right?
Okay.
So everyone who's got one of these that's just been kind of it causing them, you know, this distress, Brent, you two.
And I want you to picture the most recent one.
And see yourself in that scenario.
Okay.
And just like you're viewing it from outside, right?
Maybe you're, it's in a, you're looking through a window.
at the scene, but you're up on a hill, you're looking at it.
Just kind of observe it, okay?
And so while you're doing that, I want to, I want you just do it for a minute and just
see if anything shifts as you're paying attention to seeing it from a distance with
time and like you're literally a character watching it.
I mean, it's, I kind of have the same.
There's a dichotomy for me because on the one hand, I'm still annoyed by it because if
you really don't care, you'd ask, what, what is it that I,
do and then maybe I could tell you, right? I could explain it and you'd have a better understanding
of it. But there's this other half of me that still says, no, of course, A, he doesn't know,
B, it's fine. Who cares? Like, why are you, why does this matter? And there's an aspect of this
that I think you may have said, but it's an important one, I think that it's, when it's somebody
that you look up to or see as a, maybe mentor is not the right word, but just something.
somebody in a position of respect say that to you.
That's different.
There's a power dynamic differential there that isn't the same as if it was just some rando.
If it's some rando, I do not care.
They don't get under my skin anymore.
It doesn't bother me one bit.
In fact, I am at a stage where I am all out of shits to give.
And if you are there just to be miserable and lame, you're on mute.
Like, I'm done.
So that doesn't bother me at all.
But when it's like something like, you know, somebody you love, respect, or otherwise,
I don't know what the words are for those things.
But that's where, that's why I think I have this split.
Because on the one hand, I think they're now, they may not understand it,
but I think they're impressed that I got to do what I wanted to do in life.
But at the same time, they say things like that when they're talking other people.
And why I can't let that go, I don't know.
It's weird.
Because you had to assume there's even maybe a little bit of jealousy.
He knows that you're doing the thing.
You found a way to turn the thing that you love doing into a job.
Yeah.
Into a career.
And, you know, he's said as much that, well, Scott's got to figure it out.
He's, you know, able to do what he loves as a career.
But then he, the, the comment was almost like a little like jealousy jab of like, man, I wish I could do that.
But whatever Scott does.
Yeah, whatever he does.
It's like, yeah, exactly.
It wouldn't be a joke if you were a lawyer.
He wouldn't be like, well, whatever Scott, we all know what you do.
That's right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, but at its core, and this is what we're hitting at, is that he is hitting on some kind of insecurity, and it may not be that you are ambivalent about your career choices.
It could be that, but it's probably more about needing to be understood and having times in your life or a history of not fully being understood or being seen as different or whatever.
And here is somebody who's, I'm going to just use the 80s movies.
trope is a jock and is not get the nerd and it is and there is some sort of left over bits
of that that are from a younger time in your life and he just typed in the code real quick
and pushed a button and has never thought about it since as a funny joke or whatever and
for you it's it's already there's already chords in there that have been played before and so
that's why it's so sticky because our brains will want to protect
us from the things that were previously painful, they don't want them to, you know,
our system doesn't want that to happen again. So it's hyper vigilant. So when I'm looking at
Brent's story, I'm like, I mean, this is my, I got to not do this in real life, guys, which is
like, what happened to you? I'll be in public and see someone and be like, honestly,
what happened to you? Like, why are you doing this? I don't think there's any way we can ever stop
doing that because I do that all the time. I don't even have the therapy background. And I'm like,
what the heck happened to you to turn you into this kind of? Yeah. Yeah, because something did,
right? And so something here for Brent did. And, you know, for you, Scott, there's maybe something
there too. And so here's what's powerful is when you can go and find it, right? You can find
where that original wound took place or that series of small death by a thousand cuts.
you know, I'm working with an adult woman who just was diagnosed with ADHD and I've been
telling her this for years and she went to a psychiatrist who told her in 10 minutes.
She's like, don't you have to test me?
She's like, no.
And this woman is brilliant.
She is literally altering the course of the earth.
She is, her whole deal is cooling technology, selling it to hot countries.
Like, she's a genius.
Yes. Now, what's challenging is she's heard her whole life, that whole problem of potential versus ability versus follow-through versus impulsivity, like all of the things that go with that diagnosis of being a brilliant human being with a different kind of brain and a different kind of functioning.
And she's doing all of that with her hands tied behind her back.
So we're finally, finally, girlfriend's getting a little riddling in her and I'm telling you, cooling the earth is going to happen.
Anyway, she's just incredible.
So it's like from, from, and you're looking at someone, you're going, oh, look how successful
and wonderful they are.
But I could poke, I mean, I know now, I could poke at how she, it took her seven years
to get her bachelor's degree because she changed her major.
And I'm not kidding, seven times.
Jeez.
Oh, wow.
That's a lot.
Yeah.
And then dropped out of law school.
I mean, the stuff this woman could have probably done if she could have focused would
have been incredible, right?
But I could just needle in.
anywhere there about something, but I wouldn't know.
I could be joking.
And sometimes we're picking up stuff because there's something that makes it funny or you can't
be sarcastic unless some of the truth might be there, right?
But who knows if you're hurting someone or not?
So that's just it.
Every one of us has our own little keyboard and there's certain chords.
People play and play accidentally because they're related to some way we were hurt previously.
So that's what I would have Brent get really curious.
about, you know, when did, when does he remember the first time? Somebody joked. I assume it was
as a teen. That's why he remembers this 10% of joking thing. You know, uh, you know, what,
what happened there and has this shown up in other relationships and, you know, how is he
trying to protect himself? And I'm telling you right now, we already know how his brain is trying
to protect him. And that is ruminating over and over and over for weeks and trying to protect them
from that person who might actually hurt them.
So it comes in the form of being a little mad at them and avoiding them, right?
So the answer is not grow a thicker skin or just take it as a joke.
Rub some dirt in it.
Yeah, rub some dirt on it.
It's actually to figure out maybe there's some things that need some healing.
And, you know, we can still, no one's going to ever have zero wounds, right?
And no sore spots.
but maybe that they're less about literally every topic might mean that this is a pretty core one,
a pretty core developmental personality one that's getting, you know, kind of triggered here or there.
So, Scott, we're not going to leave you hanging, though.
We've got to help you here.
Oh, I mean, sure.
I mean, I'm kind of just like.
Do you feel better now?
Well, I guess I say, so I'm trying to dance around.
You said it still bothers you a little bit.
It does still bother me, but I've, there have been some recent developments that have made me realize how.
that it's a little petty to have it still bother me, given other realities.
So I think Wendy knows what I'm talking about.
I do.
Yeah.
So that's a weird thing, too, in its own, right?
That that kind of helped me get not, you know, like suddenly I went, oh, why I'm, that's
dumb to think about that anymore.
This other stuff's way heavier, you know.
Okay.
So that can be helpful and can be growth, right?
But let me, because I know too much about your background, let me cheat.
a little bit here is any of this connected to like think about i want you to think about when you
were a kid and you had to explain what your dad did uh that's funny that's interesting probably yeah
yeah there's a bit of that i remember that being hard yeah really hard difficult to describe
because he was he was kind of all over the place too talk about being neurodivergent at a time where
nobody knew what the crap that meant yeah yeah um but yeah there was some of that there's also
just always been you know i was always just a little odd so so you combine the two and i'm not
saying describing what your dad does is going to blah blah blah but your dad was your dad and mine
i still don't even know how to describe what he did and uh i have some i mean i have a fairly
straightforward profession but i have found myself in a similar like i mean what
I do? I don't know. Do I call myself this word? Like, it's, it's weird. We have weirdness around
this a little bit, right? And I think it's because dad did so many weird things. And it wasn't
always successful. And sometimes it was devastatingly not successful. And sometimes it was crazy. It was
not like everyone we knew and their dads. No. Like everyone we knew, we could say their dad's job in one or
two words. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And you have never had that job. No, never had. I don't have a way to
describe mine that way. Dad never did. No. I mean, yeah. Mine's the closest to one word,
and it still feels weird. Yeah. Yeah. So you can take, so even just that. So I want Brent,
I want Brent to hear that. Like, so if Brent has siblings, um, that have a chat with them
about their own experience with certain things, like see if they do that, talk to a friend about
this. A friend just, like, okay, what do you do when someone like Rizzes you, whatever the word is?
And not Riz, sorry, razzes you.
Someone, they razz your Riz.
They glaze you is what you really want.
Okay, so you ask them about it and see if they have any like insight into you or to,
you know, your history, right?
Sometimes that can be harmful.
So just even pieces of puzzles being put together can help, right?
And recognizing.
So, Scott, I also know if we think about this person's own father figure situation.
Yeah.
you can have a lot of compassion for we got them way better end of the deal oh no doubt about that
yeah and so that freedom to express yourself as your weird full self and make a living doing it
is incredible and i think this person sees that and never had that option yeah um and i i think that's
that that's the the fun part of it actually digging into some of these things for people is you realize
it is not just, I'm stuck in my brain repeating itself.
That is the far end of the deal.
And it is your brain just trying to protect you
and find a story that keeps you safe
from someone who's going to hurt you.
And it is our system working the way it's supposed to work.
It sucks.
It is not the best option.
I know this is so gross and it's the Johnson,
so it has to come to barfing and poop.
But if you think about the best,
way for a human not to be poisoned, it is to excavate, excavate, evacuate the whole system.
Nobody likes it. No one would vote for that system. Everyone would be like, yeah, let's never have
nausea be a thing. Like, no. But can you think of a better system that does the job? It may be,
you know, similarly, our brains have only a couple of ways and our systems have only a couple
of ways to protect us and fear is our biggest one anxiety panic run fight or flight all of those
things they don't feel good they're all unpleasant you're right they're all unpleasant but
they're affected because they're unpleasant 100% if it felt like a cozy hawk cocoa in your hand
you wouldn't do anything you would just probably die right so that ruminating brain
picking up on one small thing and reeling it around like a rock
Tumblr making it smooth and perfect and well-worn is its way of saying, I don't have any other
tool but this stupid story.
And I'm going to do it until you are safe from harm.
And I don't even know if that guy's that scary, but it doesn't matter.
We are going to keep you safe.
So to stop that, you've got to figure out why it needs to protect you and give it a break.
It doesn't need to do it.
It doesn't need to do it for 99% of your interactions.
But it is doing it for a reason.
So finding the reason is part of the chance.
and shifting that can be really powerful.
It's also, you know, culturally interesting that somehow it matters so much to people.
It's the first question they ask at a party.
If they haven't seen you for a long time or whatever, they ask you, so what do you do?
Mm-hmm.
Oh, it's so American.
That's so, like, part of who you are.
And it really, I mean, I guess it is in some ways, but it's not the key thing.
No, it's who you are, not a part of who you are.
Yeah.
It's who you are.
Right.
Well, and think about what it does.
I can sum up who you are.
if you tell me you're a lawyer or a doctor.
I don't need to be that curious about you, actually.
I have a bunch of information.
I think I've told this story before.
I'll tell it really quick.
In Sweden, it's the opposite.
You do not ask what people do.
That's kind of rude.
Now, it's not that it never happens,
but it really is not a social norm like it is in the U.S.
And a friend of my-
Tipping in France.
You just don't do it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's just weird.
And they know Americans are going to,
so they just kind of manage it.
but a friend of mine worked for Volvo and he was at this sort of gathering for some meeting or something
and some Americans had come for various reasons and there was a lot of different people there
and the CEO of Volvo was there and this American came up was like so what do you do and he's
like oh uh I work with cars and he's like okay well what do you do with the cars he's like a lot of
things with the cars like he just it was like don't why are you
asking. And what that American really was asking was like, how do I rank you? How do I understand
you? How do I know you? So a great trick should be. Are you a taxi driver? Are you a mechanic?
Are you a CEO? Or do you run the joint? Yeah. And their organizational charts are very flat in
Sweden. So it's really hard to tell who's in charge. But one thing would be really fun at a party is,
you know, you ask everyone to come, but they're not allowed to talk about their jobs. And you'd have to
real stretch on what we what do we talk about because it is really culturally normative so yeah it's
the thing you just did for eight hours before you got to the party you literally are like you know
doing that every day for five days or whatever your work schedule is and so I get why it's the
easy go-to but there are some people started with yeah what are your fears no one's going to
talk to you know right yeah that was the last time you felt scared yeah yeah that's interesting
because no one's asking that nobody's going
And why do you think the sky is blue?
And then you can answer that question.
There are scientific answers to that.
But that's so much more fun than, so how's business?
It's like, shut up.
I hate that.
They got to get creative.
That's why people avoid social settings.
They need to get more creative.
Okay.
So final words for Brent.
Just get curious.
Talk to somebody who has done this in your life before.
Maybe it's been a while and find out, I mean, I just wish someone could come
back to him and apologize or say like, you know, just so he could, he would have actual proof.
And he might. He might actually have proof that the hard thing is it's not what cures it.
It is, it's truly figuring out why your brain is trying to protect you from getting these
sort of sensitive responses. Like, for example, if it's about work, hobby, sports, literally
anything, maybe it's the joke means someone thinks he's wrong or dumb.
And that's the core thing, right?
You can find it if you go looking, oh, my greatest fear is that people will not think
I'm smart or they will think I'm, you know, whatever.
Like you imagine taking a kid and being like, you are greedy.
You aren't sharing with anyone.
You are greedy.
And the rest of your life, you're like, I just can't be greedy.
I'm so worried.
I'm greedy.
I'm worried people are going to think I'm greedy.
You're like, where did that come from?
Oh, well, well, you can find it.
You know, it's in there.
So just to be curious about the source of this, I think.
When he says, is there a name for this, it's called sort of being alive, anxiety and
rumination.
There's all sorts of terms you would use for what's going on with his brain.
And some people experience this like their inner critic.
There's a lot of different versions of what this is.
And there's a lot of ways to help it.
Well, there you go.
It's not terminal.
I like to think we were talking to Brent the dog the entire time, by the way.
You know what I mean?
I hope he's a pub.
You know, Brent is rubbing his chin saying, you know, that's a good.
good point. That's a very good point. Yeah. Yeah, I hope that's what's happening. But if it's not,
Brent, let us know if this helped. And remember, Brent, you've got a Brent and me. Yeah, yeah.
We've all got to, we all need a Brent right now. Yes. In that, I mean a dog. We all need a dog,
is what I'm saying. Wendy, that's awesome. Let's do, I guess you're going to be here next week.
So I mean, I don't know if we'll see you. I don't fly until Thursday night. So I can still do it if you want.
Oh, okay. We'll see how things are going for you craziness-wise.
and make sure it works.
But that would be cool.
No Better You, anything happening over there
and we should worry about?
Yes, so many things happening in January.
So go give me your email.
That would be great.
And you'll know, you'll be the first to know.
Nice.
So just go to knowbetteryou.com.
That's right.
And, sorry, K-N-O-W better letter-U.com.
Yeah.
All right.
Go find it.
It's on the website as well.
I have a link up there.
Thank you.
Thanks, everybody.
Wendy, that was awesome.
We'll talk to you soon.
Bye now.
Okay.
Bye.
And now we leave.
Quick, quick note.
So you got Brian right after all this with the coverville.
Let's get you in the mood with some, you know, the Christmas song and mistletoe and wine and deck the halls and I'll be home for Christmas and all that stuff.
All the fun stuff.
Get in there.
All the fun stuff. Twitch.tv slash coverville.
Hey, where do you stand?
That's a quick, dumb question.
Where do you stand on being Glamageddoned if it's a cover of?
last Christmas and not covers don't count has to be original okay that's what I thought and that's what
um we were talking with Tom and on their bonus thing last week and they were saying as long as that
doesn't happen you're okay so I thought I got whamageddon by a cover and then and then they told me and
I went oh okay cool I'm good and about a half an hour later the real one was on so the real one came on
yeah Tina uh so Hammond um Hammond got wammageddon minutes into December 1st like basically he was
up late, Stacy put on a station and Wham's Last Christmas was one of the first songs that got
played after midnight on December 1st. So he got immediately Whamageddon. For me, it was
later when I was asked to listen to something by somebody. And I don't think they intended
for me to get Whamageddoned, but they wanted me to check something out. So there's that.
They weren't there to trap you. They weren't there to trap me. That's good.
Yeah, I think they may not know about Whamigan, and they ask me to listen to something.
I think it's a fun, it's a fun game. I like it.
It is a fun game, yes. Daniel, you didn't get Wham again in November because the game starts December 1st.
That's right. Any previous, any, yeah, listen to it all day on the 30th of November. Who cares?
Exactly. Get it out of the way. But once December 1st starts, you, that's when the game starts.
Yeah, that's when the heat happens. Real quick here, Accord today, 4 p.m.
I wrote 4.30, but we've decided to bump it up a half an hour just to give us
a little breathing room.
So 4 p.m. main show, that will go an hour, and then at 5.30, we switch over to the Game
Awards stream for however long that goes, and then we'll do some wrap-up stuff after.
So if that sounds interesting to you, then do check it out.
That's all the details at frogpans.com slash core.
And just watch for the live videos popping today at 4 p.m. Mountain time.
All right, that is it.
Frogpants.com slash TMS for all your needs here, except for,
a song we don't know about yet because Brian hasn't told us.
So what is it? All right.
This goes out to Jim. It's WAM's
last Christmas. Oh, I'm sorry.
Just kidding.
Rob Belander wrote in
and said, hi team. My wife Teresa
celebrates her birthday in early December and
she loves Billy Joel. Her favorite
song is Through the Long Night. Could you find
a cover of this or failing that?
Something from Glass Houses. Thanks,
guys. Love the show, though. Signed
Rob. Well,
Rob. Rob.
a guy named Hussolonia
record an entire album
covering every song from Glass Houses.
And for a while, he actually,
he didn't have a way of distributing them.
He didn't put them up on Apple iTunes or Spotify.
Spotify wasn't around when he reached out to me.
He said, any chance you would host the album for me
and I could give people a link to download it from,
you know, a secret folder on coverville.com.
And so for years, not only did I play
his songs on the show, I actually kept the album on the site. It's not there anymore. It came down
just when I did a recent cleanout of the website. But this is one of the songs from it,
Through the Long Night, because it came from Billy Joel's Glass House's album. Here is Hussolonia
and Through the Long Night. We'll see you patrons tomorrow for a TMS Friday. So tune in for that,
you big weirdos. We'll see you then.
The cold hands, the sad eyes, the dark Irish silence, it's so late, but I'll wait through the long night with you.
with you
The warm tears, the bad dreams, the soft trembling shoulders, the old fears, but I'm here,
with you
with you
oh
what has it cost you
I almost lost you
a long time ago
oh
you should have told me
but you had to bleed
to know
all your essence
Since past, you should be sleeping.
It's all right, sleep tight, through the long night with me, with me.
No, I didn't start it, you're brokenhearted from a long, long, long.
time ago
Oh
Where you hold me is all
That I need to know
Oh, it's so late
But I'll wait
To a long night
With you
With you
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