The Morning Stream - TMS 2937: Buck Blocking Brian

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

Crossing the Johnson streams. MAGA hat blazing. I Like Huge Allen Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeys! There Will Be NO Whore Houses In My Christian Minecraft Server! Thank the Lord I'm High. Scott's huge tool. Hannibal and Martha Sitting in a Tree. Blinded By That There Light. Annie are you Car Sick? Guitar man died too early. The Ricky Spencer Experience. Bring Your Shit, I've Got A Shovel. Stuck in the Package with You. Un-Box ba-duba-dop. A Quantum of Solace with Tom and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Santa has about 500 elves doing his dirty dirt work, and only half of them get health insurance, let alone a living wage. Be glad you're not an elf, and instead give us a couple of bucks at patreon.com slash TMS. Coming up on the morning stream, crossing the Johnson's streams. Mega hat blazing. I like huge Alan Keith! There will be no whorehouses in my Christian Minecraft server. Thank the Lord I'm high. Scott's huge tool.

Hannibal and Martha singing in a tree. Why didn't buy that their light? Annie, are you car sick? Guitar man died too early. The Ricky Spencer experience. Bring your shit. I've got a shovel. Stuck in the package with you.

Unbox. Bop-da-du-wop. A quantum of solace with Tom. And more on this episode of the morning stream. My favorite way to unwind is with a Virginia slum and a big scoop of cottage cheese, half a tomato. Oh, that was great. The morning stream. Get your bleep and tannico out of my face. Hello, everybody, and welcome to TMS. This is the morning stream for Wednesday, December 17th, 2025. I am Scott Johnson. That is Brian Nibbitt.

Good day to all of you and to you, sir. Yes. Sorry for the lateness. Everybody. We, uh, I've had some stuff going on. Yeah, a little technology change of things that had to happen. Once in a while, you've got to do a little upgradey, you know, a little thing thing. Sure. And then when that happens, you do what you can do. A little weird, though. I don't know if this is something that we can fix here, but I tried to get into the game.

Yeah. And it lets me, it has the right room code and has my name, but it won't let me hit the play button. So I don't know what that means. Let me see. Let me refresh it. I see Brigh Guy in. Try, try joining, like, refresh your connection. Let's do that again.

Let's see if we get it. Nope. It just says, it acts like it needs my name, which I then put in. It tells me to choose a color. Oh, it finally came up. There we go. Okay, good. Yeah, I just had to probably reset on my side.

All right, we're good. Anyway, so today, if we have a few little glitches here and there, you'll surely understand, you know. Pretend it's a Christmas miracle. Yeah, because we're that close. We're like, what, eight days from Christmas? We are eight days, yes. Basically, one week from today is Christmas Eve. I'll be going to Tina's mom's house, seeing her brother.

Yeah, excited about that. Is he coming full mega hat blazing or is it going to go, okay? Who knows, probably. But I'm sure there will be under the breath comments about anything liberal. I'm sure, I'm sure. Sure, why not? But I, you know, wave it off. His kids, it's funny, they don't, they actually don't take.

take after his point of views and those sort of things and they're there and we you know i mean we love all three of them but uh yeah the more the more my experience is the more extreme a parent is about a thing the more the kids will drift the other way correct yes or at the very least they'll be a little more centered you know yeah yeah just probably good speaking of which i just got the weirdest thing in the mail this is so weird so i don't know if you got one of these i don't know if this is for tms i don't know what this is for okay uh but i was actually nervous at first because it was so heavy we thought Is this like a bomb or something? Uh-huh.

We get this package from this guy named Ryan Stuck. Okay. Okay. All right. Check, whoops. Let me get full screen here. Check this out. It's as heavy as it looks. Oh, wow.

It's a gigantic Allen wrench. Huge Allen wrench. Yeah. That's hilarious. I don't, and this is solid steel, like, I don't know what to make of it. That is really cool. God, I can't imagine how much that cost a ship, though. I know, and it was all banged up, and I was blaming USPS and all that.

And then I realized. No, once we saw what it was, there's no way this was going to have a decent box by the time it got to me. Yeah. Oh, gosh. Yeah, no kidding. That's something that, yeah. And you do this by weight, right, when you do the rates on this? Oh, for sure. Unless you do priority mail flat rate. Uh, this has got to be like, that's such a, it's got to be, I don't know, 20 pounds. What a weird. I mean, the cost, it probably costs more to ship than it costs to produce. I agree. And he probably works at some steel place or something. I've, I have no letter, no note.

I got no idea. You need to take that to IKEA and say, what can I put together with this? I'm going to go in there, say, this came with the box, and it don't fit none of the... This was in a Billy bookcase. Yeah, this don't fit none of the holes y'all gave me. The hell's going on here at this sweetest bowl. Give me some of them meatballs for free. Anyway.

That's fantastic. Do you get anything else interesting in the mail, Scott? Not yet, although we have... Two boxes that haven't been opened yet. Is one of them like a little priority mailbox, like about yay big? Oh, might be. Did you send me a small priority mailbox, yay big? I did send you something.

I got these. Let's see. No, it's not, this isn't you. Clearly not you. No. You'll know it's me. We got these t-shirts from our Navy guy. Oh, that's cool.

Yeah, so that was nice. One of us is an attractive adult. The other is a turd. Anyway, yeah, I'll have to, I've got a stack over there. I bet it's in there. I'll bet it's in the stack. Wow, look at you. But it wasn't for this thing.

This Allen Ranch. I'm glad that didn't smash the other packages when it got. I know. I'm worried somebody else's mail is just in shatters because it shipped alongside this in a truck. Anyway, whoever that was, if this is the show you listen to where you, I don't know who you are, please let me know. I'd love to know the deal of the story here. He knows your affection for small things made large and large things made small. Yeah.

And why it feels like this show is because we've talked about IKEA all the time. Yes. The silliness of, you know, how many Allen wrenches you end up with because you just keep them. We've had these conversations. That's why I feel like it's tied to the show, but I don't know. It's got to be. Yeah. Yeah.

Just my vibe. One quick note before we get done away in here. Funniest thing I found out about Martha Stewart where I was watching that documentary about her, which I finished. It's a wild ride. People should watch it. It's good. Even if you don't care about that, the lifestyle, you know,

cooking influencer stuff, it was pretty fascinating. I'm looking forward to watching it, yeah. I knew hardly anything about it. Like the court case, I just knew the surface level stuff, which, you know, that's all most people remember.

But it was really interesting. Anyway, I did a little deep dive and I found the weirdest trivia on her Wikipedia page. And it's here in our notes. I'll read it. Okay. Martha Stewart,

after she, her and her husband broke up, dated Anthony Hopkins, the actor, but ended the relationship after she saw Silence of the Lambs. She stated she was unable to avoid associating Hopkins with the character of Hannibal Lecter. How amazing is that? That's amazing.

And how, I mean, I can't think of, I can't think of any, any actress that I would date that I could not separate from, like, her most heinous role. Like, uh, dating Sharpton. Lee Theron. Oh, you know, I've got to break up with you. I just watched Monster. Yeah. That's the same thing, right? Because she's so good in Monster and so, like. So unlike what you perceive to be her regular personification. I think I'd be able to work it out.

I think I'd be able to make it work. I think maybe she's, she is a perfectionist, which makes her very imperfect. It's a whole thing. And she kind of admits it on camera. She's like, I don't know. My life's weird. I don't even know if I'm happy. It could be just part of that. like that personality that just is like nope i can't separate the the character from the actor yeah i think you're i think you're right it was it was a fascinating experience too oh hell yeah because then i wouldn't be able to watch like um uh any of the other anthony hopkins roles yeah like meet joe black oh but that's about that serial killer hannibal lector yeah i can't watch this tv adaptation of westworld hannibal lector's in it yeah right exactly very weird yeah anyway

Let's get Dunaway in. Let's have a game. Yeah, it sounds good. I'm pretty excited about this. Let's do it. Brian Dunaway, joining us all the way from South Carolina here in these States United. Sometimes we are. Brian Dunaway, what's going on?

How are you? Thanks, Yoda. Oh, hi, Brian. That was a little, that was a little Yoda eat, wasn't it? Yeah. Didn't mean it to. I'll allow it. You won't you tighten yourself up with that huge Allen wrench?

Where's it go? I don't, dude, I don't even want to store this thing, like let alone display it. Like, I kind of want to put it in a fancy, like,

you know, people put samurai swords. Yeah, they put them in those little colors. That would be great. Like, like, like shrine it.

Yeah, like shrine that thing. Yeah, shrine it up, put a light on it. That'd be great. That would be great. I wish I had,

I wish I had like nesting doll versions of it, where it's the huge one, and then slightly smaller. I'm sure you will now. You put it out there. I got my package. I don't want to say what it is in case Scott got the same thing. Or you customized each one of them.

Nope, Scott got exactly the same thing. He is not open to you. I'm not going to tell you what it is. Just let you know it is amazing. And oh my God. Really? That thing is heavy. It's got to be almost as heavy as your Allen wrench.

It is awesome. I know. That's what Scott said I got this thing in the middle that was really heavy. I'm like, oh, he's, he's, He's talking about what I sent him, but apparently not. The only thing, I've never, Brian, every package Brian's ever sent me I've loved with one exception when you sent me that viola pee. Other than that viola pee, it's been great. It was a jug of pee.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is about the jugs of pee. Yeah. If you, I mean, if you have it handy, we could certainly do it like while Brian Dunaway is answering the question. I think Kim took it upstairs.

I'm going to text her right now and say, bring me that. Hold on. Okay. Cool. Oh, I love it. You bring me... You're not going to say, please. I'm going to say, bring me that.

Bring me that. Let's see, packages that I got. Thank you. Okay. I hope that's on your fast typing. Just bring me that. There we go. I'm pretty fast.

All right. Well, done away, we're going to get right to it. We're going to play a game. And in this game, we're going to win some prizes for some fantastic people. Brian, I'll explain the entire ordeal. Allow me to explain. It's time to play the tadpooly feud. I've surveyed the tadpool on some nerdy topics.

It's gotten bringing enough to pretty. the answers they gave us. It's got and Brian's job to see how many of those answers they can guess at the end of the game. We're going to add up all the points I'll really do it as we go. It's, you know, won't have to wait until the end. And the winner will actually be winning prizes for their listener contestant.

Contestants have been pulled from our supporters on Patreon at patreon.com slash TMS. Scott, you're playing for Jason Crosby. Oh, of Crosby steals and Nash. Not to be confused with the band. Yeah. Exactly the one. Brian you're playing for Anthony Pennington

Anthony Pennington Yes very fancy I like that name All right Cool very cool All right let's get to it here Put your hands on your buzzers We're doing that today

Okay oh yeah Oh shit My thing's all wrong I'm walking around I'm back hard Just realize there was another screen I didn't fix Let me fix that real fast everybody This actually you can start

Scott uses that browser There's his password. Yeah. That application there. Oh, all threads. Sure. I have the most boring.

You guys should see how boring my stuff is. It's so boring. I've seen your stuff. It is boring. That's pretty boring. Everyone always thinks they're like, oh, let me see what's in there. It's like, they're really just shit all in there. Yeah.

Okay. I think we got it. We'll fix it so we get the pretty LED things in the background. But in the meantime. Whoops. What happened? Oh, yeah. I forgot about that.

Yeah. I'll fix it. Keep talking. Keep going. All right, here we go. We asked 472 Tadpoolers to name a song that you didn't realize was a cover for a long time after hearing it. Scott. Spirit in the sky when I die or whatever.

Yeah, the Norman Greenbaum, Spirit in the sky. Damn it. That was a good one. It's a good one. I'll tell you this. Nobody in the 4702 answers. said that one. You know why? It's because you told me, you taught me that one and it

really stuck out. Yeah. Because when I found that out, I was actually a little blown away and it was one of those TMS days. Plus, it's a song that you really like. Like, you've liked the doctor and the medics cover for a long time. Yeah, I used to dance to it back in the day. Brian, any answer

on the board will get you control. Nothing compares. Thanks, Prince, for that wonderful song that Ben Schneider-Connor did, I guess. He kind of recorded it beforehand. yeah. He did record it. He actually plus it's a cover. He wrote it for a band called The Family. They recorded the version and then Chenade. So it's

a cover of a song by the family that was later covered by Prince. Show me nothing compares to you. What? No. Nothing I know. Surprising on that one too. That one did make the list. It is number

13. 13 on the list. Well, at least it made it. Jeez, Louises. You know what? And I guess instead of, because normally we would go to our contestant, but since I think we just go with whoever picked the higher one on the list. So Brian, you're getting control of the board. I'm making an executive decision. We've never had this before, have we? We have not. Because usually, like you said, this is the first one that we've, the first one since we didn't have a contestant player, call in player that we could go to for the third. I can't decide if this is going to be harder. because me and Scott are so connected to coverville that we get a lot of inside information but so there's the tad pool a lot of them listen to it so I want to say I didn't know this

I don't think until you told me but I didn't know Joan Jett did not was not the original singer of I love rock and roll I saw him standing there by the record machine by the record machine yeah knew he must be been about 17, yep. Creepier

when you hear a guy, the original guy sing that song about a girl who must have been about 17. Let's see if I love rock and roll is on the list. Nicely done. Originally the arrows, we're going to have a lot of overlap because

I decided to put the original artist in all of these. So yeah, the arrows originally doing I love rock and roll. Right. Six points for Brian Dunnway. finally have some points on the board kicking ass early i don't know if i'm kicking ass but i'm certainly enjoying it and i've been listening to some e l o yesterday as a matter of fact which one

was it it wasn't the one that i didn't eolo do blinded by the light wrapped up like a douche douche and isn't that a cover isn't that what somebody told me at one point in time do you want me to answer any of these questions uh yes i want you to answer all those before i see say the answer. You could just say the answer. All right. I'm going to say blinded but that light there. Sure. I hope it's numbers. Oh,

what? That's your bonus. That's right. Springsteen. That's right. Man for Man. Springsteen did the original Manford Man's Earth Band did the cover. I always forget. Yeah, it's the one we all know. The one you all know. The one original, I mean, if you've never heard the original one, it's

mostly acoustic, right? Because it's from Bruce Springsteen's first album, Greetings from Asbury Park, New Jersey. And it's, you know, it's, you know, acoustic guitar. Yeah. Well, you watched a lot of Xandadu when you were a kid. No, I remember, well, I think the problem is, I'm like, part of that memory is from my mom's vinyl collection. I remember there was a couple of albums I loved,

and Blinded by the Light was, like, awesome. It seemed like it was like a Warner Brothers label on it. And for some reason, maybe just getting them confused, but man for man is, duh. Now that's a Netflix label these days. Oh, it is. You're right. I don't know if Netflix gets a hold of all the music.

I have no idea. Oh, that's a really interesting question. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And I think the only other. I might have to report to them now? Yeah.

Jeez. All right. What else you got? What else you got, Brian? Another big one is tainted love, right? That one's a big. Yeah. Tainted love.

Bound, bough. Yep. All right. Let's see if that's on here. Show me. tainted love love my taint oh no one answer on the board originally by gloria jones gloria jones was the person driving the car when uh they got into an accident the accident that killed uh mark boland the lead singer of t rex who had the the song uh bangy gong get it on was uh the te rec song nice not know

that wow yeah no people and it's funny because a lot of people probably thought the man of the the the uh the Manson, Marilyn Manson version was the original. And then they heard the soft sell version and thought, oh, wow, that must be the original. But no,

it even goes further back. All right, Dono way. It's on you. And, okay, and I think that ends my turn because I can't, I am like,

I'm like really blanking on cover songs right now. Should I just start the timer, make it official? Do it. You could, but that would be so mean Why would you do that? Yeah, I did it anyway.

How about you, everybody loves Christmas songs. That cover of the Mariah Carey song, she didn't do it first. I don't know. What do you call the song? I can't even think of the song. She sings now. That just felt like a mercy killing right there. It was just hitting that buzzer.

Thank you. Good Lord. Why am I blanking now? You're thinking of all I want for Christmas is you by Mariah Carey. that is not a cover that's an original okay all right um scott what have you got okay okay I like to think that I know things but there are times there are times where I just don't so I'm going to go ahead and say oh I know shut up I know hold on um uh I can't think of anything, dude.

That's what I did, too. It's really hard to think of a song. All right. Let's do something that's recent. That's maybe on people's minds. Let's do... Where's the time read? Rub my nut by the triple monkeys.

Rub my nub. I can't think of anything. I couldn't either. What happened? I don't know. It's so important. embarrassingness like right in front of coverville guy i feel so stupid i think you guys could look at the the chat room at this point and let them okay right right well before i look at the chat room i did

i did i did i did think of one um i'll just been listening to a lot of johnny cash for some reason oh there you go all year she listens to freaking she's like singing christmas music then it gets near christmas time she starts singing she starts doing like hurt by johnny cash and i'm like why you play and hurt and you realize he's not the original right sure is he really listening to christmas music year round oh it's the worst that's awesome i kind of love that i think you go all in or you're saying it you either do that or you don't do that like you know what i mean so i just respect it if that's what you do for sure go all in yeah but but nin uh did it first which people get confused sometimes because some people think that the nin right the cash

Oh, I just found a one. I just a lot of one. All right. Show me hurt. Yeah. More point seven points bringing up to 14. And I'll try again. But I can use the chat room you said.

All right. I'm going to go to the chat room. Doesn't mean they're right, but you can. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm going to try one more without chat help. Okay. Brian still has.

Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. But you can go ahead and try if you want to. I'm going to, I'm holding it. I'm holding it. I'm going to, I'm holding it. I'm going to go. I'm going to go with red links talking about some respect from Aretha Franklin.

I do remember that being R-E-S-P-E-C-T. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and I think other people are saying it too. Rainbow Bright says it, yep, yep, yep. For sure. All right, show me respect. Show me some respect, Brian.

Yeah, absolutely. Oh, Fredding did the original. One of the biggest things that Aretha Franklin's version adds is the R-E-S-P-E-S-P-E-C-T and the backing vocals. Yeah, yeah. Seems like I remember the Beach Boys being a bunch of thieves. Brian Wilson, his whole, I'm just kidding. Watch what you say. Watch what you say about Brian Wilson.

I love it. I know my audience. I will defend Brian Wilson to my dime day. For some reason, and I think somebody mentioned it, and I, I, I, just want to say it even though i know it's probably not on here yeah um i love the fat boys when they did the twist it wasn't really a cover as much as kind of a reimagining yeah yeah all right for for some movie like for uh disordalies or something disorderlies yes yeah yeah i know way too much about fat boys we should have made the topic fat boys sure sure all right is uh all right

is that what you're going with fat boys yeah let's do some twist sure sure sure All right. Yeah, not even in the full list. Thing of its time. Not even in anything, just me. It's a thing of its time. All right, I will always love you. Dolly Parton to What's her beak.

Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one. Another big soundtrack one, right? Because the first one came from the soundtrack to Best Little Horror House in Texas. And the second one was the soundtrack to the bodyguard. Don't say that word. Oh, sorry. Horror shop.

Hor shop. Horror apartment. Yeah, how dare you say house? My gosh. this is a family program sorry Logan show me I will always love you there we go scouts on the board with four points

okay nice cut yeah it's nice until you now realize you got nothing you can use the chat room now though oh yeah that's true I'll get you've gotten one by yourself I think there's no shame at that point okay I will I will allow it I think Tom would also allow it I think there's a bunch of like hurry the hell up

there's probably about I don't know there's got to be a bunch of 90s kids in here who all did the smooth criminal by Alien Ampharm, whatever. Are you okay? Are you okay, Annie? Yeah. Are you okay?

Yeah. We used to sing that to my friend's wife, Annie, when she would get car sick. Because it happened all the time. She was always car sick. And we used to tease her. We go, Annie, are you okay? We'd say that in the front seat. She'd get pissed.

Anyway, I think I would just do it. No matter, even if she wasn't sick, I'd just show up and say, Annie, are you okay? Are you okay, Annie? I couldn't help it. Anyway, uh, show me, uh, alien and farm smooth criminal. Oh, no. Number 15, popular, but not popular enough to make the top 10.

All right. Shit. I'm going to lean. Oh, I'm going to lean. I core. I core is saying I'm just grabbing people random. Sorry if you've got some better ones out there, but Icore, girls just want to have fun. Ah, sure.

Yeah. I do remember that being a cover. Yeah. That was for also. Was that for a album as well? that um that was enough for a soundtrack if that's what i'm sorry yeah soundtrack it was absolutely for an album called she's so unusual her debut show me girls just want to have fun yeah robert hazard did the original one number two geez debut albums of course because everybody

always has to stick a cover on their debut album she stuck two of them on there um she also did a cover of uh money changes everything by i got it i think that was also included on the first all right yeah what do you got it so i got it Now, Allison Chains, faculty, another brick in the wall. Oh, that's such a good version of that song. Yeah, it really is. All right. Show me another brick in the wall.

Good call. Everyone knows that's Pink Floyd, though. I don't think, yeah, nobody should, nobody should be surprised by that. I'm hoping that I was hoping that the tapful is desperate as we were at some point. It's like, I don't know. That's a really good point. You know what? Good, good, very good point.

All right. I'm going to go with all along the watchtower was a Bob Dylan joint and I think it was most famous from a guitar man died too early. Guitar man died to early. The guitar man died too early.

Ricky Spencer. I don't remember his name. I think you're thinking of Jimmy Hendrick. Show me all along the watchtower. Ricky. Number three ends are on the board. Take you up to seven. Ricky Spencer.

Ricky Spencer was his real name. Move over. Led Ricky. Spencer take over All right You actually did Tainted Love Right Yeah, Tainted Love's already covered

No pun intended Let's do 8, 9 and 10 So big points So I mean, you know You get a couple of these And you can do it You can take the lead

I'm gonna go with Yana's Black Betty Bam bamb Let's do that Oh sure, yeah Let's see Ram Jam did the original Mountain I think did the cover

If I remember correctly show me whoa black beanie bamblam no and that's game triple strike triple strike Brian one with 21 points Scott to Scott seven let's look at these last three up here it's funny because this this survey must have come out right after we were talking about this who let the dogs out originally by Anselm Douglas covered by the Baja man oh my gosh we talked about on this show we talked about on TMS and I think that's why I don't know why anyone uses that, or why anybody said, you know, what we need to do. We need to cover that.

Exactly. Here's a, here's a song we need to redo. How about this one right here? Natalie and Brulia covered it, the original. Oh, torn. She made that herself. She made that hers, man. She did.

She totally. Yep. And finally, the Beatles at the end of Ferris Bueller's day off, he's on the float, but really the original version was by the Isley Brothers Twist and Shout. I did not know that either. Yeah, I didn't have that one. Beatles OG, man. Well, that means we have a winner.

Brian, well done. Other Brian, tell us who they are and what they've won. Yes, so congratulations. Going to Anthony Pennington, the third, Esquire. You're getting a copy of Tools Up and Technotopia, both of those, courtesy of Keith Hicks. As is the prize for Jason Crosby, you're not going home empty-handed. You're getting a copy of Dusk.

Dusk is real good, yeah. You'll be pleased with dusk. I can tell you that. Well, there you go. Congratulations. Everybody involved tonight, me and Dunaway get together, 4 p.m. mountain time. Maybe a little early if we swing it.

We're not sure yet. We're trying to figure it out. I think it'll work, yeah. I think it will too. But watch for the stream to pop. And we're going to talk about an old video game. Brian Nibbitt or Dunaway, tell them what we're playing for what we're talking about. We're going back to Jagged Alliance from, I believe, 1995.

You guys have recommended this. It's a DOS and we're doing DOS December this month. So check that out. Show up early because me and Scott are going to talk about. blue light specials layaway and maybe some Kmart stuff yeah you only can catch it live unless you're a patron which you can catch it anytime and go back to all the archives that's right that's patreon.com slash play retro that is going to do it brian uh done away kiss our butts I keep seeing Ibit and done away together you do don't don't hang up on me accidentally yeah I don't know what's

going on there all right here we go now now I can feel good about playing this isn't technology wonderful It sure can be when Tom Merritt's involved and he is involved. In fact, he's here. Tom Merritt, thanks for being so patient. Welcome to the show. How are you? I am well. Thank you for having me. Oh, it's so good to have you, man. We're late because of technology, really. Yeah. When it comes right down to it. Isn't it wonderful? It is wonderful. Technology is wonderful. Hey, it's good to have you here. Here you are. There's a video of you now. I love having you on lately. I've always liked having you on, but I like it lately because these questions are so much freaking fun. You guys are saying that's great stuff.

We got a really good one today. We're going to read it today real quick. And, oh, before we do, Tom gets to witness this. Oh, Brian, I got your package. Yeah. We're going to open this box. See what Brian sent here. An unboxing?

An unboxing. Live on the show right here. See, now I'm going to have to make one for Tom, too. I know. Now everyone has it. Everyone in the audience gets one. We all win them are. All right.

You get a box. And you get a box. Okay. Oh, sorry, I'm hitting my keyboard. All right, here we go. What, the world. Did you print that?

Dude, what? All right. Hold on. That's the box. That's a VHS tape. Yeah. But what is it? It is. It's a 3D printed VHS tape.

It is. Yep. And not only that. How did you do this? Very, very many pieces. Many, many pieces. It's got the white spindleys. It's got the,

thing at the bottom it's got like he just went to a thrift shop it's it i mean it's not a real tape this is a this is the most film sack ass thing i've ever seen in my life yeah and and uh so take the tape out of the box there really quick and examine the tape itself okay it says well you don't like just see uh you mean it it it does something yes you can oh can i turn it no no you can open it and there's a videotape in it There's a thumb drive with a thousand movies. Where do you open it? It's a recording of late night with David Letterman from 1982.

There you go. It opens like a book. Yeah. Oh, here we go. I was trying to open the back end. Yeah. I can keep my weed in here. You can keep your weed in there.

You can hide whatever you want in there, sticking on the shelf. I love this. This is so great. I had no idea what is this is going to be. This is so bad. I feel bad. I just bought Scott Ramen. I didn't get anything cool like that.

Well, he can eat it out of that box. Yeah, absolutely. A hot little bit of rot. I mean, this is edible. You can eat off these, right? I have no idea. Yeah, I don't think you can. Food grade plastic, right?

I love this. This looks like it looks complicated. This is using your new, like, multicolour process stuff, right? Yeah, so. I was going to say, the case is as impressive as the cassette itself. It is real, like a real cassette. Isn't that awesome? Oh, my gosh.

Good. That's cool, man. I like it. Love it. Got one for, made one for all the film sack guys and then one for Hammett as well, who's already gotten his. So Randy,

sorry if you're listening and haven't opened yours yet. Spoiler, spoiler. But they did deliver it yesterday, so you had your chance. Yeah. Are they all the same brand? Exactly the same.

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Nice. Except. Randy's includes actual tape of a, an unfortunate incident.

Major league or something. Oh, We've got some. A major league would be perfect. He loves that movie. All right. Let's get to our question today. Tom Merritt, we got a good one for you.

One that I would have a hard time answering because I don't know what the state of all this is. But here's what it is. The topic to us is about cybersecurity. This is from Sean G. Who says this. I have a cybersecurity question for Tom, if he'll have me. I like that. Recently, I learned the term quantum anxiety.

While full-scale quantum computers aren't here yet, the harvest now decrypt later threat seems pretty real. Bad actors are stealing encrypted data now, planning to unlock it once quantum decryption becomes viable, pushing companies to scramble for, quote, quantum resistant cryptography. Are you aware of any efforts in particular to have this stuff off before it becomes a problem? Yours in binary, Sean G. Yes, yes. And Sean, I will have you. Thank you for having me. I will have you. You've made me very happy. I would refer you to cloud. Cloudflare's state of quantum, state of the post-quantum internet was posted at the end of October. It should be easy enough to find at cloudflare.com or just do a search for state of the post-quantum internet in 2025, Cloudflare.

That is going to make you feel much, much better. There is a lot being done. A couple of years ago, actually, the National Institute of Standards and Technology verified a standard for post-quantle quantum cryptography. And they haven't stopped. They continue to develop it and improve on it. But that was a huge step towards saying, okay, here's a standard we feel is pretty good at resisting post-quantam attempts to break cryptography. So you can feel good that there's a standard out there, and people are adopting it. Apple announced that they are going to upgrade their I-Message protocol in February 2024, and did that. Google has been implementing this.

And the governments, most governments, including the United States and Europe, have put 2030 as a deadline for making sure that all data is encrypted so that it is going to withstand quantum computers coming to break it. If you're a little lost and you're like, wait, what are we even talking about? When quantum computers get good enough, and you will often see this referred to as Q-Day. Q-Day is the day that a quantum computer can actually factor numbers. That's one of the things quantum computers are going to be very good at is factoring numbers, and factors are how we encrypt things. So if you use an encryption technology, it's usually based on factoring two very large numbers that would take a classical computer, you know, to the heat death of the universe to try to figure out,

to try to guess. And if people are breaking encryption, it's usually some other ones. way around it rather than the factoring, right? There was some other weakness in it. The problem is quantum computers can factor really fast and these large factors are not good enough. So we've created new standards that will be difficult for a quantum computer and a classical computer to break. The thing that he was referring to, the harvest now decrypt later, is the idea that you can go and find encrypted data that you can't break now and wait for quantum computers to be developed so that you can then decrypt it once quantum computers happen.

The whole harvest and harvest decrypt, harvest now, decrypt later. The idea, you know, the worst case scenario would be we did nothing. We're using strong RSA encryption today. Tomorrow or quantum computer comes online and somebody can just take all of the stuff that's encrypted that day and break the encryption. And so no encryption matters anymore. So the slow motion race we're in is to get everything under post quantum encryption now so that by the time quantum computers get good enough that the data that they can break,

the old data is so old, it's not really that valuable. And so we want to be as many years ahead of that as possible, which is why I mentioned that Apple is already doing messages encrypted, that Google is doing encryption and that governments have put this 20-30 deadline of let's try to make sure we're using post-quantam encryption and NIST continues to develop and

push standards that'll get stronger and stronger so that when we get post-quantam computers there is only old data that can be decrypted and that won't be terribly useful. When are we going to get post-quantom computers? In 15

years. That has been the answer for 30 years. nobody really knows. It's not going to happen tomorrow. That's why I said go read that Cloudflare article because they're very good at stating like, here's the scares we had this year, here's the state of quantum computers,

and the one line that's going to make you feel the best is that quantum computers can factor up to 15 numbers. When you're talking about classical computer encryption like RSA, you're talking about millions of numbers. So they're not there yet. They could get there really fast, right? We could see what happened with LLMs, where suddenly there's a rapid evolution. And I imagine when we get to quantum computing and Q-Day, it's going to happen pretty fast.

But we are so far away that everyone thinks, well, we've probably got at least five years, which is why the 2030 deadline, and probably more than that. So it's unsettling to think about, but unlike, a lot of other things in technology that have happened where we sort of advance the technology and then we're like, oh, crap, we need to fix this Y2K bug. We are well ahead of this one. So I wouldn't feel too anxious about it. I'd feel just the right amount of anxious about it. I was going to ask you, you made the, not the comparison, but saying, you know, is this like

another Y2K thing where it feels like we're behind the eight ball and nobody planned ahead far enough or we waited too long? We're planning ahead right now. That's good. That's really good news because I think it's impossible not to freak the public out regardless. And there are plenty of clicks to gather in the next 10 years, you know, freaking them out with headlines. But it's good to know that there's, you know, actual behind the scenes, you know, work going on. Now, you say old data may not be terribly important. Is there is there any effort to say, well, even that old data will run that through the new encryption model? Oh, yeah. No, we're going to, we're going to encrypt us.

as much as possible, but if someone breaks into a database, which happens every day, right, and gets encrypted data that is RSA encrypted, they have it. There's nothing you can do about that. They've got a copy of that data. They can't get into it now, but at some point they're going to get into it. Is that good? No, but Q-date everyone thinks. Now, no, granted, if it comes faster than we expect, this gets a lot scarier. It's really, really not very close, though. So, you know, the fastest anybody is saying is five years. But if Q-Day came faster, then, yeah, that data would be more relevant. But let's imagine it's 15 years away.

Some people think it's even 30 years away, right? But let's imagine it's 15 years away. Well, 15 years ago was, what, 2010? Yeah. So imagine if, like, suddenly any data you had encrypted in 2010 is now crackable. I mean, how much of that data is even still? around how much of it is relevant. You know, the stuff that criminals are going to be going after are things like passwords and bank data and stuff like that. There might be some embarrassing

text messages that are 15 years old that might pop out and cause some trouble for some public figures here and there. I'm not going to say that's impossible, but that's not going to affect most people. Most people are worried about bank records and passwords, which is another reason why switch to pass key because paskey is is forward compliant and and usually quantum uh post quantum protected and it runs and it sits beautiful when you get it once you get it and you see it in process you go oh this is awesome the biggest advantage of pass key is the ease of use that way the second biggest advantage is your password and your pass key are not sitting anywhere so no one can break into a database and take your pass key

All they can take is your public key. And the public key is called public because it's okay for people to know it publicly. And see my chapter on how public key cartography works in the book Sinked, if you'd like to know more. But yeah, so PASkey is going to be huge because it makes it much more difficult. It's like, yeah, okay, I have a database full of passwords. Well, nobody uses passwords anymore. There's no database full of Paskies. So that just makes everybody more skill.

Yeah, I like that. So what you're saying, though, is we don't need to worry about that photo of you I took in Sullyx. City in 2010, when we all went to see Iron Man 2, and that photo, that one photo, so what? Who cares? None of the data from 2010 is going to give. No one gives a crap. Yeah. I'm not saying, I wouldn't say blanket, like, don't worry, there will be no problem

with old data being decrypted. I'm sure there will be. But it's not the devastating sort of like, oh, my gosh, they stole all the money or all the nuclear secrets or whatever. Now, somebody comes out, you made a funny comment when I told you we were running a little late. And he said, this is actually a great line if you don't mind me sharing it. I said, hey, we're running

a little late. I'll unmute you. You can hear this stuff. And he says, no worries, as long as we don't reach quantum supremacy before we record. And that actually made me think. What happens if, I don't know, six weeks from now, Google, deep mind, somebody goes, we did it. And it's now

available in the stores next year. Does that suddenly, I mean, the timeline, obviously that gets pushed up and everybody has to scramble a little bit? Or are we? Yeah, yeah. I mean, it would. There's two different things, too. There's quantum supremacy and Q-Day, and it's worth knowing the difference

if you really do want to dig into this. Quantum supremacy is the idea that a quantum computer can do something, anything, better than a classical computer can. And we're in the region right now where people have claimed quantum supremacy and then others are skeptical. And so we might get quantum supremacy soon.

But quantum supremacy is different than Q-Day. Quantum supremacy is it can do something better than a classical computer. That's not necessarily the same as being able to break RSA encryption. RSA encryption is still hard. Right, right. A quantum computer cannot break it right now. Could it, you know, be able to do some factoring better than a classical computer? That would be quantum supremacy.

Is that factoring good enough to break RSA? Maybe not. So, you know, quantum supremacy happens first, then Q-Day happens down the line. Certainly Q-Day happens faster if you reach actual quantum supremacy. but not like the next day. So even if Google comes out tomorrow and says we've reached quantum supremacy, we've got a quantum computer that's really practical

because they've already said they reached quantum supremacy and nothing much has happened since they said that, right? Right. Yeah, no, that's pretty wild. I hope that it's not... You know what we're going to get in the next? Let's say it's 15 years. In that 15 years, we're going to get like a hundred movies

that try to make this the scariest thing possible. Like, it's going to be the new, you know, terrorist attack. It's going to be the new whatever. Like, everything that was in the 80s, taken over the world, kind of stuff. You know what reminds me of actually kind of reminds me of the ideas behind Pluribus. It's very different. But the idea that suddenly all of it's open. Yeah.

There's no barrier to anything. It's just all the data suddenly walls are down in one fells group. And everybody has access to everything. Jeez. Yeah. We all have a hive mind. There's like some secret lab. uh in doing startups in uh silicon valley that that has secretly had you know reached cue day

but is not trying to tell anybody uh because they don't want this to happen and then terrorists break in and steal it and bring down all the walls uh the good news in reality this is bad for that script but the good news in reality is we're already doing post quantum encryption on stuff uh so not everything would be available at that point your your messages for example are not available. A lot of Google stuff is not available. A lot of other major companies have been doing post-quantum cryptography. Certainly, defense and national security stuff are doing post-quantum cryptography already. So we're already getting ahead of the game. We're just not entirely ahead of the game at this point. Right now, we're in the stage you would call the quantum identity.

Then it will be quantum supremacy. And then we'll have quantum ultimatum. And then legacy, I think, is also. And then we'll branch over into the quantum identity. of solace. Yeah. Oh, I even think of that. That's fantastic. That's what I'm hoping

I could bring you today. A little quantum solace. A little quantum of solace. A little quantum of solace. That's excellent. Well, Tom Merritt, as always, we love the answers

to these fine questions. If you guys have one, please send it in the morning stream at gmail.com. We would be happy to field them in a future episode. This will be the last time we talked to you before Christmas

because we're off next week. Oh, Merry Christmas. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Merry Christmas to you. Happy New Year. Happy holidays. That's right. I hope all of you get a.

giant uh and actually yeah whatever this is Alan wrench in the mail yeah and because uh the 31st is probably going to be play date this is probably the last time we'll talk to you this year Tom oh my gosh it's almost like you and I need some sort of way to do a live stream or something with no you're right I don't know other people with the daily music headlines group on Friday the 26th such an essential part of yeah yeah it's life even for if you don't have music so Friday the 19th right Friday the 9th 19th. I'll just make the decision and say, yeah, Friday of the 19th, let's do a live stream. Lock it in. Headlines. 2 p.m. Pacific, 3 p.m. Mountain, 5 p.m. Eastern. Well, we'll just do it. Works for me. Lock it in. I love it. You know what? Eileen will have a brand new painted office in time for that. Oh, wow.

Oh, my. Now I feel lazy. I got to clean my office. Tom Merr, is there anything else you'd like to mention before we let you go today? Yes. If you'd like to learn about quantum computers or public gate cryptography, check out. Synced. Know a little more about tech available at fine bookstores everywhere, including DailyTechnewshow.com slash store. We can get a little discount on it. But it's also available on the Kindle if you want it that way. And it's a book about all this kind of stuff. So this is a perfect companion for today's conversation. Thank you again for the great question. Yeah, heck yeah. And keep those coming, everybody. We appreciate it. Tom Merritt, everybody. He is Ace Detect on all the

social medias before they get hacked by quantum computers. We'll see you next time. All right excellent work. Yeah. I was a little worried about all that because I hadn't tested the Discord stuff. And he was having a freezing camera thing, but it wasn't me, but for a minute I thought it was me. Oh, God.

So I was like, what have I done? What did I do wrong? It was barely enough time to come up with this stupid born supremacy joke. Right, right. All right. Ryan, we got a quick email and then we're out of here. Yes, sir. Anonymous rode in and says, Hey, Sora bait. So I guess I'm a Sora, you're the bait?

Yes. Oh, yeah. Good call. Yeah, I guess so. He says, I can't help but notice that someone on Sora just keeps making videos of Scott making meals. I'm wondering your guy's thoughts on Sora's ecological footprint and if it makes a difference if it's being used for art versus something funny versus what looks like it may be part of some sort of cyber performance art piece.

Love the Sora, though. Anonymous. So is it okay? that it's AI and it's using up a bunch of resources if it's funny and it's art. I mean, here's the problem. Everybody, whenever they hear about AI stuff, their immediate thought is that, oh, it's just dumping water. It's using all these resources. It uses resources and it uses cooling.

But so does everything else. When we're flooding, like right now, by the math, YouTube uses more resources to run than OpenAI needs to run their stuff. Interesting. Okay. So it's easy to get into this mindset that the only resource needs are happening in AI. It's just not true, right? Right now, I'm using a fair amount of resources to have two computers running, three monitors and all this shit. And it's not to say that they can't, you know, that they aren't a problem, especially at scale.

It's going to be. It's going to be a huge problem. But also innovations will happen in the meantime, make it more efficient or whatever. The bigger question is there's the ethics about gen art and gen music and, you know, AI generation in general. There's the question about other practical applications in science, medical fields, manufacturing, that kind of thing. And then there's a whole question about should the thing like the SORA video thing even exists because it's freaking stupid. Yeah. And it's completely frivolous.

Yeah, I don't know. Honestly, for me to make any kind of definitive on any of those things just means I'm going to get shit all week from people. So I'm not going to do it. Right. So I just feel like it's here. It is what it is. everyone's got opinions. For some reason, it's

the most vitriolic you're going to make some of your friends if you have an opinion. Very devices. So F it. I'm not doing that anymore. I don't have time for it. I don't have time to argue with everybody.

And for the most part, like, you know, like someone could come to me and go, well, I think gen art, generative AI for art is amazing. It's really changed the way I, I'd have a big issue with that. Sure. But if someone came to me and said,

hey, these medical systems have improved by like 98% an accuracy when it comes to diagnostics and stuff like that because of some of these models that are directed at just doing that that's hard to argue with the success of that that seems like innovation to me but somebody somewhere wants to argue with me about that of course so what i'm doing is saying i uh you that's enough for you to know what i think i think anonymous brian do you have anything to add to it yeah i mean similar things right like um there are aspects of what i do

that AI has made much more helpful. Sora is not one of them. Sora is just, you know, fluffy little whatever. And boy, there's somebody out there who put us in every single fictional restaurant and diner from sitcoms, movies. We're always eating or making food. Right, exactly. We're eating burgers at Jack Rabbit Slims or El Pollo Locke, or I'm sorry, Dos Poyos

Harmonos or whatever. But, no, when I'm developing puzzles, I've got like the whole structure. of the puzzle. I've got some answers built in. It's like, okay, it needs to result in this. And I'm stuck on, oh, I need a nine-letter word where the first and second letters are this, and the seventh letter is this

so that it works. AI has been instrumental in coming up with that. Not to mention like placeholder artwork and text for websites so that I can show a customer what I want them to be able to provide actual copy and actual photographs

for. Yeah. And I Right. And again, our chat room being emblematic of this. Sure. Emblematic? Emblematic of this. Emblematic. Not the right word. Ever, the more we say it, the less it sounds like the right word.

Yeah, I should just say it the one time and move on. I don't know why I did that more. But there is no consensus. So if you're looking for one from us or anyone else, you do not need my approval to do whatever you're going to do. Go do what you're going to do. And it's not here to. And it's not black and white for either of us. And it shouldn't be, right?

like there is aspects of it the medical industry the the stuff like that where AI is showing some huge benefits and and positivity and then in you know other areas where we don't like it seeing seeing AI prompted art seeing AI prompted music things like that it's like no not a fan but it's it shouldn't be a black and white like all AI is bad all AI is good it's like any tool like any um any it's like you use yeah it's like the internet itself the internet you know what the internet's really good at communication talking with your friends keeping up your family making cool content doing what we're doing right now you know what else that's really good at distributing child porn where nobody can find it fooling grannies into giving

up their uh their information so they could get uh yeah identity theft and it's not i know not a direct comparison but in a lot of ways the complexity of the question is very comparable so yeah uh take that for what it's worth uh everyone listening and I'm sure I'm still going to get shit no matter even if I didn't make an opinion I'm still going to get shit it's fine bring your shit I got a shovel bring it throw it in the thing bury it that's right done with her shit done with the shit we didn't talk about it with Tom but the very first week of January him and his crew are doing full um coverage of of CES so we'll be getting oh right yeah we'll be getting some awesome stuff those weeks so very excited can't wait to see

can we just see the new technology and stuff that's out there that I'm not going to be able to afford. Kevin's going to. My guess is it's probably going to be a ton of robots. Yeah, it's going to be a ton of robots. Hopefully not ones like that Russian video where they just walk and fall over. And they have to cover it with a, cover it with a blanket to say, nope, you didn't see anything. Forget what you just saw. I want some of those Chinese ones that freak out on the ground. The ones that seem fine when they're working. They seem to be getting everything done, but the minute one tips. then they just it's it's it's uh uh darrell hannah at the end of blade runner when she's uh malfunctioning

yeah like that after she's been after she's been shot and she's malfunctioning feel like people need to be like a hundred yards away from that thing when it falls yeah oh god yes yes sir it's gonna it's gonna get near that snake now no because it's angry and it's yeah it's gonna take out your shin bones be careful right uh all right keep the messages coming that came to us, by the way, is a text over at voicecast.com. All this stuff is over at frogpants.com, so you can find it all there. Good luck to you. Hey, Brian, let's play a song. What do you got there? Yes. And Luke

Seidwocker, yes, we are out all of next week. TMS out all next week from the 22nd to the 26th. Scott and I have a bunch of video games. We've got to play. Yeah. We do this every year. We always take the week off. Yeah. Sometimes it's, sometimes it's Christmas Day to New Year's Day, but in this case, it's going to be just the week around Christmas and we'll be back the last three days of the year, 29, 30th, and 31st with a play date on the 31st. Yeah, we kind of have a, our general rule through the years, if there's family emergencies, those take precedence. Right. Somebody's super sick. That takes precedent. And even then we try to come up with something to replace it.

But if not, those take precedent. And then we give ourselves this one time. Because most of the year, it's like, I think the most we've missed this year was because, TMS Vegas happened and that was literally us doing a lot of TMS. Yeah. We were just in Vegas doing the thing. Yeah. So you just I don't know why I'm trying to get extra validation here, but it's the one week we give ourselves. Yeah. Come on. We've

freaking earned it. That's right. There'll still be plenty of other stuff. Frogpants stuff still happening on certain shows. Like you're still going to get other things. But just the daily morning grind, we're opening it up so Brian and I can relax, read the morning paper, wave to the neighbor. you know they'll still be they'll still be daily music headlines those first two days of next week

and there will be um the coverville countdown the last the best 20 covers of 20 25 um will be sometime that week so yeah and you're still part of that is this week they're gonna still get core you're gonna still get um lots of stuff so don't exactly don't fret is what we're saying oh my gosh yes this is a fret free zone you know our bosses don't usually give us time off so let them give us this I'm off. Bosses are dicks. Our bosses are freaking worst.

Dix. It's like they don't even know us. I know. They don't care about us. It's like they don't even do. They don't know what we do. They don't do the things that we do. They have no idea.

My boss makes me get my own insurance. There's no co-thing. I know. Isn't that crazy? And dental? Don't even ask. Yeah. Optical?

Freaking. He's such an ass. All right. All right. Let's get out here. Do you have music? You have music. I do have a song.

I should have pulled that up, but I do. TRPW. Our friend who loves Mbop by Hansen did not request Mbop by Hansen. He did request this, though. I've been hearing this song a lot lately in YouTube shorts at the moment. It's a Russian version of a Spanish song called Porque Tevas by Jeanette, a song from 1974. I discovered that an English language version was used in a 1990 German movie called Kill cruise der skipper which uh which i added to the film sack recommendations actual let's let's watch uh der skipper

for film sec i think it's fantastic listen we had a weird japanese song earlier this week that was all in their language we're going to have one now that is uh all in russian this is called vse yoli rebatya um i'm sorry that's the name of the band the song is called v pausledanee razz i'm gonna believe you on that yeah all that stuff is true and if you don't believe me ask t r p w he'll tell you more about it but here it is all that stuff i just said all right we'll see you guys tomorrow wendy'll be here big therapy thursday tomorrow we'll see you then all It's

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