The Morning Stream - TMS 2995: Manually Stamped

Episode Date: April 20, 2026

Free Bag of Nuts with Every Swag Bag. He Played The Red On-Air Light. The Flippin' Flippers! Bagtacular Nerdtacular. Oh, It's A Turd! Meta without the verse. Mark Suckerberg. I Don't Wanna Spill All My Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeans! Kevin, Do We Care About Skating? It's Gotta Be These Corpse Hands. Picasso and M&M's. Happy WEEEED Day! Hand Carved Frog. I'm Cuckoo for Cocoa Prints! Coming at the Atmosphere too hard with Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Happy weed day. Hand-carved frog. I'm cuckoo for Cocoa Prince. Coming at the atmosphere too hard with Bobby and more on this episode of the morning stream. Before you approach, you take them two guns of ears and you lay them on that rock over yonder. Because he was naughty, I suppose. This is the... the morning stream. I'll swallow your soul. Hello everybody. Welcome to TMS. This is the morning

stream for April 20th, 20th, 2026. I'm Scott Johnson. That's Brian Abbott. Hi, Brian Abbott. Hello. Hello to you, sir. You want to see something kind of cool? Of course I do. All right. So it's a Monday. We're here. It's a fresh show. May as well show a fresh thing. Yeah, show me a cool, fresh thing. I put up a video about this. Some people may see it on the YouTube or whatever. It may as well show it here. So, one of the things we're excited about with this year's Nurtacular is we're going to go a little nuts with the bags. And by that, I mean, we're not just going to go buy some bags or print bags. It's just boring ass freaking cellophane bags or whatever.

For the swag bags, we have decided instead, we got these really nice. Let's see if I can show us without giving away the farm first. Oh, cool. Yeah, I'm hoping that this is what I think it is. These like multi-threaded, like, cotton blend. Canvasy, yeah. Camvicey toats. And then you say, oh, well, what's on there?

Well, what's on there is this great big, you know, stamped frog. Is that one of the stamped ones? That's one of the stamped ones. Oh, that's gorgeous. And then on the back, you got this little seal. A little Nertacular stamp seal. But now you might say, well, who's printing those for you? That's cool.

Nobody, we are. We're manually doing these. Alicia's printing those. Yeah, Alicia has this whole setup with like this custom made rubber stamp thing. And it's basically she had to carve my frog image and this thing. She had to hand carve that into rubber. carved it? Yeah.

Oh, wow. I know. We're going old school with this. Like, really, like, and she loves this sort of thing, so this is not like a big ass. She really wanted to do it. It's going to be a lot of work, though, because there's tons of these and they have to have time to dry, and we've got to figure out where we're going to put them all while they dry, and then we've got to flip them over to the other side.

But either way, these are all going to be manually stamped. I say stamped because that's what it is. Great big rubber bong. Yeah. And they're awesome, and they smell. They smell really good. 100% handmade. I mean, that is, like, that is fantastic. Yeah. The only thing we didn't do is sew the bags ourselves, but who does that in 2026, you know?

Yeah, nobody. But that includes anybody who got bags who can't come and they're having them shipped to them. You'll get one of these as well, along with everything that goes in it. So, anyway. Very cool. We are in the thick of that business right now. Fun stuff. Nice.

All right. I was going to tell you something. What was it? Oh, how was exit eight? I'm dying to hear the. review. Yeah. Yeah. It does. So when saw that Saturday morning, this is the game that's based, I'm sorry, the movie that's based on the game that's based on the short story. Is a short story? I think so. Or maybe a small, it may have been a manga or something. I can't remember.

Oh, yeah. That, you know, that would totally make sense. Not sure, though. But played the game, made it through once and said, great, did it. Don't need to play that again. Played it on VR, which is a, like on the meta. It is an unnerving experience with some of the anomalies that happen in that tunnel. Just freak you out. Because I played and beat it on PC. I can't imagine if I ever saw a head set. The dude that came out of the wall that has the print that's printed to look like the tiles.

Yeah. That freaking broke me. That got me too, but I can't. I would have died with what I would have done if I was in a fan. Yeah. Oh, man. But, uh, so the, the game is fantastic. And the movie does a great job of capturing the things that make the game really good and unique and, and, um, unnerving.

And, and what's the word? Like, uh, uh, uh, kind of put you on the edge. Um, something kind of discordant about it, right? Like, like a, like a dream you can't wake up from kind of, kind of, uh, exactly. Exactly, yes, liminal space is that. But here's the cool thing is that Tina's never played the game. Well, Tina never played the game before seeing the movie. And she really liked it.

She enjoyed it. So Monica asked in chat, was I right that Tina would be okay? Yeah, absolutely. This is not the type of thriller. This is the type of thriller that Tina likes, actually. It's the psychological thriller. She doesn't like the slasher for slasher's sake. Right.

Like never would have any interest. in seeing a terror fire movie. As a matter of fact, we saw, what did we see? We saw a trailer for a new movie coming out with Adam Scott. Oh, it's part of the insidious series. Right. I wondered how, yeah, how'd that go over?

Usually, usually right after the trailer, I don't even have to look at her. She'll just whisper to me, nope. As, you know, basically saying, if you want to see that, great. You know, good thing. The Alamo app is on your, phone brain because you could uh yeah hockham oh we did see no not hocom the insidious one but we did see

a trailer for hocom as well um i'm not sure i know what hocom is it's a movie uh it's another movie hockham yeah um oh dark coaster hockham is the one with adam scott but there was also a new insidious one that we saw trailer for oh okay oh here's okay adam scott let's see hocom directed by dylan mccurney yeah okay both of these both these trailers both got a Nope 13 All right

Now there was another one That it's kind of funny Felt like Exit 8 It takes place in a department store But it's got a lot more Characters that are figuring out That this little

Abandoned Department Store actually Has walls that you can go through And open up into a giant Weird space That's not the back rooms is it? Might be. Let me see.

The one with Chewettel of the four. Yeah, that's the backrooms. That's also based on the game series. The game based on it? Okay. Yep. Same deal. Well, same deal.

That makes different writers and all that stuff. But that yellow of everything, that's right out of the games. Like, it's almost like they're, I think it's a good thing. But they have gone with that exact aesthetic in that. And I think that will serve it well because those are unsettling. I don't like those games. they freak being the FAA. I wonder if

if backrooms is available on VR on the meta. Oh, might be. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure on those. And there are a bunch of variations of it,

like a bunch of people quickly made liminal space sort of copycat backrooms kind of stuff. Me and Carter played some co-op and one that was just, is basically just stay away from the, I think it was called Escape the Backrooms is what it was called. Okay.

But there's this, there's this idea right now, at least in games, maybe this will bleed into movies of the backrooms is like empty convention space in an old ass 80s era convention center style place where it's just kind of devoid of anything. But then it's that horrible yellow lighting

and the carpet is kind of shitty. And it taps into something of your childhood. It's really hard to explain why these are so effective psychologically. But man, they get me. Really get under my skin. Yeah, there must be something like dream related or something where you see these kinds of spaces more in dreams than in real, yeah,

real, uh, in the real world. And when you see a movie like this, it's the PTSD you had as a kid having these weird fever dreams of, of, um, of,

of, of, of, of, of, um, this one comes out in May and I might be able to get Tina. After seeing Exudate, might be able to get Tina to see back rooms.

Yeah, I don't think, I think, I think it'd be a very similar experience. It's more about unsettling and less about just gore for no reason, you know. Yeah. Yeah. So should be all right.

that's good how many how many exits out of eight would you give it out of eight exits uh i would give it i would give it a solid seven and a half i mean it was i can't think of what i'd complain about but uh seven and a half exits out of eight and i'm hoping that um that the popularity of the movie gets them to move uh do it a VR version of of platform eight oh yeah right because that's out now I haven't played yet. Yeah. And I'm really just tempted just to get it on Steam and not do the VR version if they're not going to do a dedicated to Quest version or dedicated to VR version.

Yeah. But. Problem with VR development right now is there's no one's making any money in VR. I'm sure. Yeah. It's all like little tiny indie. Here's the same game that you play it a bunch of times with a different skin on it, basically. Just not a lot of money in it.

And all, I mean, in meta, in particular, is kind of. They kind of stopped. Yeah. It's like they fired everybody and said, eh, AI is the future, not this anymore. Yeah.

Thanks a lot. They renamed their company meta. Right. And then the whole idea was the metaverse, VR, whatever, and now they're not doing it. Yeah. Good job.

Yeah. So I'll probably, I'll probably break down and just pick it up on regular steam. More like Suckerberg. I'm excited about that new The social What's the new name?

The social network sequel They're doing Oh I heard something about this, yeah It's got your Your dude from I can't think he was from From succession

He's a big whoop now Oh, Faden Not him McFadden Other guy Um He looks The main dude that played

The main son, yes. Yeah, yes. He's in it. He plays Zuckerberg now. The shot I saw was kind of dead on. I don't know how they did it. They made them look just like current Zuckerberg. But it's Sorkin back. What's his director?

All of them are back. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Nine of Snails guys doing music, the whole smear. And I think it was it called the dilemma, the social dilemma. Okay. Something like that.

And I'm sure it gets into the more modern like that company. and he kind of sold at sole kind of shit. Nice. We'll see. Yeah. There you go. Just a little heads up. Platform 8 currently on sale on Steam for $2.79.

So. Perfect timing. No brainer. And if you haven't played Exit 8, there's the combo, which is just $5.2 for the bundle. Do it. If you've not played eggs, yeah, get the whole thing. Yeah. That's great.

I'll bet they time that with the movie and all that. Probably. Yeah. because yeah, I'm sure. That's awesome. What a great deal. Capitalize on the popularity of the film and the fact that it's doing so freaking well. Yeah, highly recommend that game.

Man, I had a good time. Yeah. Stream the whole damn thing just so people can hear me screen. Seeing the movie, first thing I did was pull it up and set it up for Tina and she's like, oh, all right, I'll do it for like a minute. 45 minutes later, she's taking it off like, okay, I've got back to exit zero so many times I've done. Yeah, but it's compelling once you get into the loop of it because you really want to see it through. Even though it was short, I think the whole thing took me maybe. I may have only played for an hour and a half before I finished it.

And obviously I didn't see everything. I kind of wish I had because that would be cool. I guess I could YouTube it. You should because I did that yesterday morning before FilmSack. I went through and tried to do a speed run. And apparently there was something in one of the hallways that I kept. missing. I finally figured it out that on VR, you got to look at your hands because

there's an only, a VR only thing. Sometimes they're withered like corpse hands. So as you're going through, you might be looking around like, all right, everything looks exactly the same. You get to the end, it sets you back to zero. But apparently, so I finally discovered it's like, oh, it's got to be these corpse hands. Oh, wow.

I see, I didn't know that. Yeah. I never saw that. I know there were things I missed because I've heard people talk about them, but I haven't heard of that one until, today. That makes me want to go and like try that again. Try it again because I did it and I bet it of the 28 anomalies, I'll bet you I saw most, if not all of them on the speed run I did yesterday morning

because there were a few things that I missed. But man, there are some freaky ones that I hadn't seen on my first run through. That's awesome. A lot that I hadn't seen on my first run. Well, there you go. Anyway. Big recommendation, everybody. Go watch it.

Big recommendation. Watch it. Play it, live it. Go have B. There you go. Yes. Tell me about Burgess Diesel and his rep rap festival. Yeah.

So yesterday, so every year right around this time, there's a thing in Loveland, Colorado, about an hour and a half north of me up by the bushes. That called the Rep Rap Festival. And it's a festival for 3D printing, but more specifically, filament 3D printing.

We didn't, two huge ballrooms of vendors and spaces and tables and stuff. Not a single resin printer. It was all filament stuff. Wow. But it is companies and filament makers and other companies that make stuff. You know, I only took one picture during the whole thing, but I'll share it with you because it's really cool. Cool. You just do it on my phone if you want, whatever.

Oh, I just dragged it into Discord. That's where you're going to get it. Totally fine. It's doing the fun old HGIC version. I can compare it. But, so the outside is all vendors. The inside is like makers. So I could get a table there next year for Coverville 3D,

have my Khyber Crystal stands, my, or those steam deck, morning stream deck stands that I did for people's steam decks. Probably make a new version for Nintendo Switches. This is a chocolate 3D print. that they had there. Oh, cool. I'm all, I'm so,

again, curious about food printing. I think that's wild. Yeah. That's a wild idea. These looked better. I'd seen candy 3D printers before,

and, uh, this is absolutely the best looking stuff I ever seen. Like the detail on that skull, that rose. Yeah. I mean, it's absolutely amazing.

Yeah, that looks really good. And it's all edible, right? Like, all edible. Yeah. And is it limited to chocolate? Can it do other substances?

I think it's limited to chocolate because there's a melting temperature for chocolate that's lower than like a melting temperature for other like regular hard candy that you'd put through it. It would probably have to be harder. So I asked the guy, like, do you put, you know those chocolate baking discs that, you know, when somebody's making tempered chocolate to cover a cake, there's these little discs that you buy in the store that melt better? Oh, yeah. Yeah, Kim has a whole bag of these in the freezer. Yeah. Yeah. So I said, oh, do you start with like just the discs like that?

And he's like, oh, no. And he pulled, reached behind him and pulled out and showed me what looked like a poop in a bag. And Westkin confirmed this that I actually said, oh, it's a turd. And then I caught myself and said, wait, so that, like you put that, you just drop that tube in there. and it's like a really looks like a turd like a perfectly smooth cylindrical turd

that you just put in the you didn't get any pictures of this thing did you? No I didn't I don't think it's on the I don't think there's any in the background of that photo I had so it was like

I can't really see the turd it's kind of like let's see do I have that clip it's a rat turd yeah it's a rat turn yeah giant rat the biggest rat you've ever seen

But anyway, like the 3D print stuff there was pretty cool. There's a company there that's got, so normally you've got your plate and then you've got the printhead that goes up and down. They were showing off a printer that can actually turn at different angles and like rotate the printhead. And it works with a belt instead of a flat surface so that you can print really long things because the angle of the print. will keep printing as the rest of the print moves away on the belt. So if you want to do like a giant articulated dragon or a giant snake or something, you would do it like this because as the snake moves away on the belt, it's printing the back constantly as the rest of the snake moves away.

Oh, wow, dude. That's cool. Really cool. Yeah. Is it, I was just looking up, I just did a search for chocolate printers and it gave me this cocoa press. Is that the brand of this thing? Because it's the same colors. Shoot, I've got the... It looks like that. Is that it?

Yep, that's it. Coco Press is the name. I love the name. Do they... I was trying to find a turd, yeah. But they got a lot of printed stuff here. Let's see. Does it not look like they have any pictures of the turd?

Darn it. Like, how do you... See if there's a shop. Like, see if you could... I was going to say... There it is. Coco Buddy? What the hell is that?

I don't like that. I don't like that. No. Coco cores. Oh, look. Oh, they have it on the... They have it in a filament roll. That's crazy.

Yeah. No. It would be that orange thing on the left there that, that, uh... No, one more down from that. That one right there. Plunger, okay. That's kind of what the turd looked like. Except it was chocolate covered, right?

It was chocolate, yeah. that's great. Oh, that's terrific. That's cool, man. Very cool stuff. I love that. So, who knows, this is the first time I've been able to make it because usually in the past two years, there's been something else going on right around this time.

I'm sure related to either TMS Vegas prep or the MS-150 or something. So. Yeah, sometimes Vegas is like this or next week. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So. Weird.

Yeah. So this was the first time I'd gotten a chance to go and who knows. Maybe next year I'll get a table and just just have some stuff there to sell and whatnot. That'd be awesome. Yeah. Get all deep into the local 3D printing scene with all the people and stuff. Exactly. Pretty cool. All right, guys. You've heard him, you know him, you love him. Here's this. Oh, why did it end? That's weird. Oh, there we go. All right. Sorry, positive by accident. Hey, everybody. A man who cannot be paused. it's Brian Donaway joining us. Hi, Brian. Unposable. Oh, hi Scott and Brian. Yep. You're both implausible, unpossible, and improbable all at the same time.

Oh, how'd you pull that off? I'm a three, whatever thing is. You're a threesome. You're a threesome. I'm a three threat. That's right. All three of you. A triple threat. Here you're here to play a game with us that we call the Monday morning half asses. Brian Abbott has all the details and rules. Brian, why don't you explain to us how this works. Okay. Welcome to the morning half asses is a trivia game where I'm actually going to be giving you to the answers. That's, you know, pretty easy. Just here's the answers. Oh,

there you go. You've won the game. Terrific. I've given, I'll give Scott and Bride in category and six possible answers. Three of which are correct and three that are incorrect. Depending on how confident you feel with the category, you can provide one, two or three guesses. Not zero by the way. I've never told you this. You can't, you can't, you know, yeah, you have to guess. We've never talked about that before. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. There's no penalty. I mean, Right. Why would you? Zero points. Yeah. That's great. Uh, Get one right gets you a point. Two right gets you three points.

Three right gets you five points. The player with the most points after three rounds. Wins the prize for their contestant and contestants will be pulled for members of the tadpool that support us on Patreon. com slash TMS. Scott, you are playing for grave fitness. Yeah, grave fitness. I mean, look, you're dead. You need to stay in shape.

So gets your grave fitness on. That's right. Just don't do sit-ups in the coffin. Brian, you're playing for Landon Roy, or if he's Canadian, Landon Waugh. Oh, look at you with the French-Canadian business. It's impressive to have a goalie for the Colorado avalanche that had the last name, Wa, Patrick Waugh, and it was R-O-Y.

That name's familiar. Why do I know Patrick Waugh? Why is that a thing? Maybe he's a hockey player or something. Yeah, he's a goalie for the Colorado Avalanche. Okay, duh, yeah. He played the red on air light is how he played. Well, no, the reason that hit me.

me so weird is because I used to play a lot of NHL, whatever the game was of the year. And the announcer, because I played a lot of the avalanche as close as I had to a team, right? Yeah. And he'd always go, on the ice, Patrick Waugh. Yeah.

And he said it the same way every time or whatever gameless was. And so when you said that name, it just brought up an old version of me. That was weird. He was such a, is such a great goalie. I mean, he, like a Colorado, icon for the longest time.

And when they won the championships, you know, it was all, a lot of it due to his his blocks. And he's long retired, right? That's all. Long retired. I don't know if he's, if he's coaching another team or like, you know, assistant coaching

other teams or something, but yeah, he's good. Max Trowah says, dude had a spine like a slinky. Oh, I like that. Did he go downstairs and a loner in pairs there you go anyway all right

there you go so those are those are your players I've got the the things are in front of me the cards and let me refresh because I'm sure I'm going to have to do that do do do there we go by the way the Colorado

mammoth the original team called the mammoth is number one in the national lacrosse league which means playoffs start this week weekend.

Sweet. And we have home field advantage, which means I'm on the hook for buying a ticket for every single game. So as long as they keep winning, I have to keep paying for tickets. Oh, is that how that works? That's how it works. When you have season tickets, you're basically saying, I'm committing also to buying all the playoff games.

Now, they give you links to where you can sell playoff game tickets, but I at least want to see the first playoff game this weekend. That's wild, man. Yeah. Wow. All right. So there you go. Some years you're hoping the team's losing, you know?

I kind of, yeah, exactly. Like this, after our tax payment, I'm kind of like, you know, put up a good fight in this first playoff game. It would be the worst thing. Yeah, yeah. You're lost. I'm sure you'll be a little weak on the road. It'll be okay. Exactly.

The last, if they win, if they make it all the way to the finals, which would be here, it'll be like the weekend before I leave for Vermont. Oh, my gosh, dude. That's a nice stretch. Yeah, it is. Molly, no, we're playing San Diego in the first round of playoffs. LaCross Powerhouse, San Diego. That's right. The San Diego seals.

All right, here we go. Can't take it serious. Nope. Okay, first question is, the ships on which the Boston Tea Party took place. We all know this. I mean, this is like every kid learns this, like the Nina, the Pinta and the Santa Maria. Name the ships that the Boston Tea Party took place on. The Orpheus, Eleanor.

Beaver, Forward, Dartmouth, Marlboro. Oh, my gosh. Right. I love this question, though, because I have such a blind spot to what they would have actually been named because it feels like the tea party would just, it'd been like one of those unfortunate things. It's like, uh-oh, I shouldn't have parked in the harbor this week. Right. Yes, exactly. I'm going to, I'm just going to. We never learned this one. I'm going to go with ones that just sound real.

Yeah, yeah, me too. Like these, there you go. Maybe two of these, yeah. I don't want to. I don't want to spill all my beans. This feels like a bad one. All your beans. Look, back then, when we were taught these things,

it was never, like, I feel like the point was, oh, they dumped the tea, moving on, and then the teachers never said shit about no names of nothing. Yeah, it was rebellious, right? It was against the, it was against the king and the taxes. That's right. It wasn't against. against the people who were parked in the,

harbor who happened to be carrying tea, right? Right. Exactly. Those poor guys. Oh, what a day they had. They got shafted as the promise. Yeah, they did. All right.

Why did you get none? You guys both locked in on Dartmouth, which is a great name for college. I've been to say it feels very of that area, right? I mean, that's right. Yeah, exactly. And also a great name for a ship.

Yeah, it's one of the ships that the Boston. in T-partage place. That's appropriate. A little checkmark for both of you on that one. And that's where you split. One of you chose the Orpheus. The other one chose the Eleanor. Some assholes always naming their ship something, you know, like,

oh, I have education. I'm going to name my ship Orpheus. Right. It's a red pill, blue pill, thing. With Orpheus. Close enough. Yes. Bye, own.

Guess what? The Eleanor is the correct one. Yeah. Orpheus. Orpheus. Forward and Marlboro were the fake answers. Dartmouth, Eleanor, and the Beaver. Oh, poor somebody's poor.

The Beaver. Oh, leave it. Which one has tea on it still? Leave it to the Beaver. Poor old Eleanor. Probably named after somebody's mom or probably. Probably.

Yeah. Eleanor Rigby. You know? Yeah. All right. I feel good about the start I've made here. You should. You've got three points going in question number two.

Question number two. We're going to go into mythology. Who knows? Maybe Orpheus will be an answer to this one too. Maybe Orpheus isn't this one. Maybe it'll be in all three today. It won't. Winged creatures in Greek mythology. So which of these creatures has wings?

Wait, I know this. All right. Fortunately, there's not a Red Bull. Centaur, Carribidus, Griffin, Hippo, Lectreon, Minotar, and Harpy. Three of them have wings. There's any of them red Bulls. I don't see any... Red Bull gives you wings.

I don't see any red Bull. I think it's crazy. they still do the same ad campaign all these years. I know with that same illustrator. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Same thing. I don't get it.

Especially because I think their reputation as an energy drink doesn't match the tone of the commercials. It's just a weird thing. You're saying it says you got too much energy in it? No, I think they're just, it's not a problem even. I just, I don't know. I don't know. Do I need to start the timer for you, Brian? Oh, no, no.

I was listening to Scott. I apologize. Yeah, apologize. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, that was my fault. Okay. Now you've locked. All right.

Well, let's see. You guys, there are two very easy ones in this list. Yeah, two are easy. Let's talk about those two. The Griffin and the Harpy. Both correct and both the only ones you chose. The Hippolytrion was the other one. I wanted about that.

Yeah. The Cribbdis, I believe, is a sea creature. It's the one named shaped in, uh, uh, stings wrapped around your finger. Oh, yeah. Is a sting song? Yeah. So, you know, he says, you consider me the young apprentice, caught between a sila and caribdis. That's what he was saying?

Yeah, it's between a rock and a hard place, basically. I didn't know that's what he was saying. I had no idea. I thought it was one of those lyrics where I'm like, well, I'm never going to know what that was. So I'll just move on. But, yeah. Genie says it's water. It's not the sea creature.

So it's a rock and water, basically, right? Cill and caribdis. Interesting. That seems like a bad place to find yourself. And, of course, centaur is, you know, half man, half horse. It's where Brian's character in the whaling caverns is still sitting there with all the centaurs. If I hadn't, if I hadn't, the Carybdis thing threw me. If I hadn't, if I had known what that was, I think I would have gotten this because it was obvious centaur and minotar.

You could take centaur and minotar out. Yeah. And the hippo lectreon or whatever. It sounded birdie. Sounded half birdie. Yeah, yeah. Yes, hippo. Half hippo, half birdie.

Half hippo, half birdie. That's right, yes. All right. Well, going into the final round here, Scott with six points, Brian with three. It all comes down to this. Which of these two people were alive at the same time? Your choices are. Charlie Chaplin and Kim Kardashian, Harriet Tubman and Ronald Reagan, Pablo Picasso, and Eminem,

Leonardo da Vinci and William Shakespeare, Johann Sebastian Bach, and Lud von beethoven and daniel boone and davy crockett three pairs of people actually have their lives overlap i'm gonna need like 10 minutes to to think through this one because i well you're not gonna get i probably could logically get these i probably if i had long enough to think about it you could suss it out yeah this is fast math yeah and i'm not gonna start a 10 second timer because this is a lot of information to throw at you but i'm going to uh i'm gonna start the 10 second time in about here look i'm just gonna i'm just gonna hit three that feel right because like i said it would take well beyond whatever you got you might murder me here this might be it no i don't think so

no i don't think so all right all right okay both locked in all right hoping for a tie because that's probably the best i could do um yeah yes well since you don't like choose to then then then that is about the best you could do um all right you chose um um all right you chose um um both of you chose Harriet Tubman and Ronald Reagan. Harriet Tubman died in 1913. Ronald Reagan was born 1890. Two years before in 1911. I'd heard this one before somewhere.

I don't know where, but somebody had said it out loud and it stuck with me. Somebody just randomly is talking like, oh, could you pass the mac and cheese? By the way, did you know Harriet Tubman and Ronald Reagan overlap by two years anyway? It was something like that or it was like, somebody was saying, or I was saying, I can't believe I was born before a certain famous person died. And then they said,

oh yeah, you think that's weird. Harriet Tubman and Ronald Reagan existed. What do you hear about this? Yeah, it was like that. And I just never forgot it. It's weird. Yeah.

All right. Scott, you chose. Popov Kasa went a lot longer than you would think, and I was trying to remember exactly when. Yeah, he totally did. Let's look at Charlie Chaplin and Kim Kardashian.

Nervous about this one. Charlie Chaplin died in 1977. Wow, look at that. Good job. Kim Kardashian was born in 1980, three years after Charlie Chaplin died. Shit. So no points this round for Scott. Let's see how Brian did.

70s kid for some reason. Yeah. Johann Sebastian Bach and Ludwig van Beethoven. Von Beethoven. Von Van Van Beethoven. Ludwig, let's see, Johann Sebastian Bach died in 1750. Mm-hmm. And Beethoven was born in 1770.

No points for Brian either. Oh, shit. Scott wins it by three points. Good job, Scottie. Eminem and Pablo Picasso overlapped by one year. Yeah. Picasso died in 73. Eminem was born in 72.

Yeah. And Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett, 1820 was the death of, Daniel Boone, Davy Crockett born almost 100 years before that in, oh no, 40 years before that in 1786. So they overlapped a lot, actually. Yeah, that's wild, man. Jeez, Louise. There was almost 100 years between Da Vinci and Shakespeare, though. DaVinci died in 1452, Shakespeare born in 1564.

Wow. Well, there you go. I feel like we also learned a little something. We did. Oh, no, I didn't mean to learn something. Sometimes we walk away. accidentally happens. Yeah, we walk away smarter. And I think we did that today. But we also walked away

with a winner. Brian, who won what? That's right. Scott, you won, which means that Grave Fitness also walks away a winner. He's going to get a copy of Legacy, or he or she, is going to get a copy of Legacy of Kane's Soul Reaver 1 and 2 remastered. Man, that's like two games right there already.

And Dungeons of Hinterberg. Both excellent things. The two remasters are really well done. I played through the first one so far. I expect to get to the second. And there's a third too, but it's separate. It's the one where Kane comes back. Anyway,

and then that that other one is also very good. So I just want this winner to know. These are no small winnings today. These are good winnings. And Landon Roy, a member of the Succession family as well, you're going to get a copy of

Chichichia. I don't know if that's how you pronounce it. It's T-C-H-I-A. And it's all about growing little tiny plants on Bob Ross's ceramic head. Yeah, no, it's an amazing, like, Breath of the Wild-like. It's a very good game.

I have that one as well. He may have been the big winner of today. Sorry guy I played for, because this other one, that other one's like a really kick-ass. I mean, Legacy of Cain is like, who was a AAA title when it came out? It was.

They're just, you know, I don't know. Like, if I... Years have passed. You put him a gun to my head and you say, which of these three would you take in a pinch? I'd probably take that third one. Sure. Either way, you're both winners, you know.

Big thanks to Wesley for sending us all of those games to give away. Nice. Hey, Brian Dunaway, guess what, man? What man? Tomorrow night, you and I, watch Red Pro right here on the channel. Yeah, no, tomorrow night? Tuesday. Yeah.

Oh, that's right. You're gone. Yeah, I forgot. You have a thing. You got to go. I'm going to see the stars on ice. That's right. Legends are coming out, and we're going to go.

watch them skate around and be awesome. Get out. Like Brian Boytano and Christy Amaguchi and Dorothy Hamill? Who are you saying on ice? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, those you just said. No fool.

No fool. No fool. Oh, is it? Lissa Lou? Yeah. Madison Chalk and Evan Bates. Oh, so more recent, like the recent Olympic. Okay.

Yeah. So this is some washed up like Lollapalooza, bring everybody back together kind of thing. This is like a new people. Oh, man. Yeah. Man, Henry Rollins is going to be sending you an email. Yeah, I can't wait.

I can't wait to hear from him. That's awesome. I can't wait to hear how... Yeah, that's great. I totally forgot it. Normally this thing we do is on Tuesdays, but this week we're doing it all on Wednesday along with Play Retro. So thank you for the reminder.

That'll be all Wednesday night, starting at four. And that means a good, solid couple hours and a half with me and Brian. Yeah, it's going to be great. Yep. We'll talk about trapper keepers while we're, you know, pre-show. Hell yeah, dude. Trapper keepers, I love it. Yeah, trapper keepers are weird.

But anyway, in a new episode of Play Retro went up yesterday. We had to record late this last week, but you all can get a couple of big boost this week from us. Brian Dunaway, Kiss our butts. Wow. May 12th, they're coming to Loveland, Colorado, where I just was for the Rep Rap Festival. And May 14th, West Valley City, Utah. Oh, look at that. Yeah, so we could go see them ice skaters as well if we wanted to.

You know what? That's in the R. Grizzlies Center, which is the IHL hockey team and the one they use for a bunch of Olympic stuff. And it's like right down the road from KT Data, I think. Oh, really? Oh, interesting. Maybe he and I don't have to. I don't know. Do we care about skating, Kevin? Maybe we don't. Maybe we don't. I don't know. What do we do? We don't know. I don't know. I don't know either. Hey, everybody, it's time for a little science. So buck up and get ready. Science. Bob is hungry and the soup looks good.

Let me tell you why he's hungry. He's been working on a deck for like two weeks. Wow. Oh, my God. I know. And I think your deck's done, though, right? You're done? You're in?

Yeah. Yeah. It's finally, well, so it's, I hesitate because it's, like, the deck part is done, but there's, like, a whole thing we're going to put on top of it to sort of make a, like, pseudo-screened-in back porch situation. It's, like a... Sure. It's one of these standalone, like, like, gazebo-type things that you build.

It's made out of, like, aluminum. And normally, you know, you put them up and you put them in your backyard somewhere and it's usually stand-alone kind of thing. But we're going to put it on top of the day. I love the word gazebo, big fan. Yeah. They call it a gazebo on Amazon where I'm ordering it, which you can get, holy can. You can get everything. You can get everything.

I feel like I'm behind the times a little bit saying that. But like I would have never thought I would have had to go directly to these people to buy a 12. by 20 foot like aluminum structure. But no, you just order it on Amazon. Oh, yeah,

they'll send you anything that you want and you're willing to let an underpaid employee prepare and ship to you in record time for not enough pay. I am worried about that,

though, because this is big and probably heavy. What are they going to do? I don't know. What's the biggest thing, Brian, what's the biggest thing

you've ever ordered from Amazon? Like size wise. Yeah. Because I feel like there's got to be something. We've gotten something that it took two people to bring to the front door, and I'm trying to remember what it was. A box of condoms, am I right?

Jumbo. Still unopened. What did we get? It was like something massive. But it was... We've done this, too, but I can't place it either. You know what? It was something furniture.

It was like a credence or something. We did a Christmas. We did a kitchen tent. Table set with chairs. That's what it was. You just reminded me. Was it something like that? Something like that. Yeah, credenza, I think, in our case. Like a big wooden credenza that sits in the front of the house. Yeah. It's pretty crazy. I think you can get cars now, too. You can. Yeah, Hyundai works with Amazon, so they will deliver your, your Ionic 5 right to your front door. Whoa. I didn't know that. Yeah. Do they always say Amazon?

Do they take a picture? Like, do before they leave, do they like have a picture in front of your house just to prove they delivered it? I hope so. Yeah. In a just world, that's how they do it. That's amazing. Well, Bobby, I'm glad you're getting a bit of a respite after you've done all the hard work and heavy lifting before that other stuff comes in. And it's giving you a chance to think about some science topics. We didn't really get a chance to talk about the Artemis II mission much here on the show.

So kind of hoping that you brought a bunch of that with you. Let's do that here. Yeah, lots of things that talk about. Speaking of things that happened while I was building that deck, that's what, that's when this Artemis 2 mission landed. It took off. It launched before we started building it. I'm trying to find the date on here, but my notes are really bad.

Like I've been working on this construction project up until like yesterday, almost. But I do have notes just for some reason I can't find when it launched. It was somewhere around two weeks ago, and then it splashed down in the middle of last week. And, yeah, it was a pretty amazing experience to see. Did either of you guys watch it launch or Splashdown? I watched the splashdown. Oh, nice. Oh, hey, look.

So between the two of us, we saw the whole thing. I guess I saw the splash down in retrospect. I didn't see it live. But as a Gen Xer, I was, of course, pins and needles because we were all traumatized as children, having been sitting in class the day. This was, you know, people think it's a stereotype. It's absolutely true. People of a certain age were in class with a TV on in the class watching the launch of the challenge, not Challenger.

Well, no, it is Challenger, right? The one that blew up. The one that blew up, yeah, a challenge. There was that one in Columbia. And in Columbia on the reentry, right? Oh, right. But yeah, we watched that Challenger thing in real time, in class. And it honestly was very traumatizing.

Teachers like, okay, well, I guess we'll turn this off and we're going to try to have school. No one know what to do. do. So I feel like any time one of these big deals happens, I'm just like sitting here going, oh my gosh, don't be like this again. Don't be like this again. And I remember in 03 or whatever it was when, when Columbia broke up in reentry, it was like PTSD for me. So I think a whole bunch of us who all were subjected to that, we're all just with Artemis just kind of going, please be okay. Exactly. Yeah. Like you got, you guys have a long way to go. Please don't have any screwups along the way. Yeah. They're all nice. They all seem like good people. I just didn't want you

to die. I think it's people that were that are that are you know like you guys were around when when Challenger happened because my my in-laws were here when the splashdown happened and and they were they looked a lot more nervous than I did but I don't remember going through that and watching that on TV you know I don't think I did so so so it was a it was the Challenger was a free period. at my school, for me anyway. And so I was hanging out with a friend of mine, Latasha, in the library.

Trying to get moose and squirrel? Was that your, you guys, what you got to get to? Not Natasha. Oh, got it. She and I were hanging down in the library and saw, like they had the TV on the front of the Elm C. And so we sat there and were like, oh, my God. And then we went across the street to the McDonald's and got fries.

Just to, I guess, to calm our nerves. I mean, that's one way of dealing with it. We were in class. It was in 1986. What would have been? We'd been 16 then, 17, whatever we were. Something like that. Yeah.

And I remember my teacher, Mr. Woods? Shit, I don't remember. He was so stoked. He was all into space. Loved it. He's a teacher on the... And he's a teacher, exactly. All the teachers were really jazzed about this,

which is partly why schools were broadcasting it because it was like, this is the first teacher mission and all that. Yeah, that was a, that was freaking rough, man. So now, let's look at the positive. In 2026, we freaking pulled it off without a real kink, as far as I know, except for that outlook problem. They set people the furthest away that anybody has ever been from the earth.

That's right. Absolutely. The original record was set by Apollo 13. You may have heard of it. And that was around a 400,000, a little over 400,000 kilometers back when Apollo 13 made its sort of famous journey where they didn't get to land on the moon. That was their plan. But Artemis 2 went 400,406,771 kilometers with people on it.

And yes, that's the farthest any humans have ever traveled from Earth. And it was a pretty amazing journey for a lot of reasons. You know, it went off without a hitch, you say. But part of that is because NASA's got such a focus on safety now. and they sent Artemis 1 up with nobody on it, right? To practice this whole thing and make sure everything could work. And it turned out that on the way back, I don't know if you remember, on the way back, Artemis 1's heat shield failed.

Oh, right. I do remember that now that you said. I kind of forgot about that. Yeah. You have a nice success and you forget that there was some trouble getting there, you know? Yeah. And so if people had been on there, it could have been a lot worse. And so they had to make some adjustments to how things were going to happen in order to account for that.

And it was successful. One of the things that I have been telling everyone that I can talk to that wants to talk about Artemis is one of the things that to me that is so fascinating about this. You know, we send things to like Mars and the moon and everything. And it's already really fascinating to me because you're kind of like aiming at. this target that is that is so small from from how far away we are right like yeah and you're hoping that you're going to get there but the moon this moon mission in particular was was different what we kind of think about you don't really think about it but in your head I bet you you're thinking you you you kind of get into orbit you go around you you point at the

moon you shoot at the moon fire your rockets and you drive your way there you fly your way there and then you kind of like spin around the moon and then fire your rockets and fly your way back to earth but that's not how it works actually that that description assumes a lot more control than than the astronauts actually had because what they did is they launched into orbit and they they took a couple of spins in orbit to to do some things to to make sure everything was working right and all that kind of stuff but when they when they did their last burn um to live leave orbit what they call the trans lunar injection. And it's called that because they're injecting themselves into the transit between the earth and the moon, right?

So the trans lunar injection, that, when they fired their engines to do that, that was the last time they used the engines at all. Ever. Yeah. They just coast. They literally coasted the whole way to the moon and back. The math in this makes my head spin. It really does. You're kidding.

I don't know how they do this. Because you have to, so there's a couple of reasons why I think that's so fascinating. Because first of all, when I described you say you point at the moon and then you fire the engines, that's not how it works. You don't point at the moon. You point at a place in space where the moon is going to be when you get there. Because, you know, it takes a couple of days. The moon is going to be moving the whole time. And so is, so are you actually because for a lot of that, you're still within the gravitational

influence of Earth. So Earth is still also pulling you along while you're going out. And so you have to do all this math to figure out where is the moon going to be, where am I going to be when I get to that point and let's point at that spot. And then when we get there, you know, but you're not even just pointing at the moon. You're pointing at a place next to the moon that will properly grow, allow the moon to grab you, take you on a journey around the moon, and then shoot you back at the Earth, right? But again, not where the Earth is, but where it's going to be when you get there.

And so, and then it's even more fascinating than that, Scott and Brian. Because, have you ever heard the description? So when you come into Earth, that vehicle that the astronauts are in is moving very, very fast. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's kind of crazy how fast it's going. It's something, something in the order of thousands of kilometers per hour, right?

Wow. And they, to stop, they have to use the atmosphere, right? The atmosphere slows them down. So because the atmosphere is thick and they're traveling as fast. as they are, they'll hit the atmosphere and it'll slow them down. But have you ever heard the description of the Earth's atmosphere comparing Earth to an apple? If you shrink Earth down to the size of the apple, the skin of the apple is, you know, roughly what you're talking about in terms of how thick the atmosphere is right. Oh, really? Okay.

Yeah. So it's a little bit, but isn't it a little bit like, oh, what's that term? Okay, you know that liquid that's both hard and liquid at the same time? What's that called? Like some of this. You punch it, it's hard. Yeah, what they do with like baking powder. Like if you mix baking powder and water, you can.

Non-Newtonia. That's it. Thank you, Kelly. Yeah. So I guess my question is this. It feels like if you come at the atmosphere too hard, it's like punching that non-Newtony. fluid. If you come at it at an angle or

the right angle, the right math, the right dip, the right, whatever, it's a little more like just pressing on the liquid so it is actually porous you can get through it. Is it like that? Because if we hit the atmosphere too hard, you're just just scatter yourself all over Mars or what? It's not

quite like that. A non-Nutonian fluid is very specific in the way it's defined and it acts differently depending on how it's really just more. It's really just more like going off of an like jumping off of a very very high dive and and hitting the water you're it's you're going to smack into the water right right and because that's kind of what's the density the vacuum of space is so thin compared to the atmosphere and you're going to hit it and

it's like smacking into the atmosphere but more importantly than that is that so that is a factor 100% that you're going to smack into it. But you need the atmosphere to slow you slow you down. And if you just come straight at the earth, straight at the earth, you're not going to go through enough of the atmosphere to slow you down before you hit the earth. Right. Sure. So if you come out of an angle and hit a lot of it, like go through.

Right. So think about that apple skin and how even come, you have to come at just the right angle. to hit it enough of the atmosphere to slow you down enough, but not at such a shallow angle that you'll just skip off of the atmosphere like a stone. That analogy was famously made in the Apollo 13 movie, and it's true. That that's what would happen if you hit it at too shallow of an angle. They did actually use a new technique, a new maneuver where they intentionally skipped off the atmosphere and then came back down. um whoa that's awesome what did that do why what to what end was that done this time it slowed them down

it slowed them down a little bit before they made their final um entry into the atmosphere oh and that that would probably mitigate the burn or the um the issues they had with the last mission right the yeah and that's when they made the change to it because they in the first mission artemus one when they had no people on there they had more of a a straight in kind of a direct approach without any of that and that's when they said well we i think we were coming in too fast and too hot and uh that's what caused some of the heat shield to come off so let's let's slow ourselves down a little bit but remember you're coasting that's the whole point is that they're just coasting so they can't slow themselves down but my whole point is like that again to

to what you said scott like the amount of math that had to have been recorded to hit it at precisely the right angle. Because they do have a pilot on there and he is able to turn and maneuver, but not in any way that affects that. It's more like... It's not Skywalker shit. It's like, you know, little, little, you know, micro movements to the left or right or the, you know, little adjustments, right?

Like, you can't do much. Yeah, they're not able to affect their trajectory. They're able to affect how they maneuver around objects. within their trajectory. So that's one thing that they practiced while they were in orbit around the Earth. Eventually, they want to be able to take this spacecraft and be able to dock with things that are in lunar orbit

because that's the whole Artemis. Eventually, we want to have like a base on the moon and then some satellite platform surrounding the moon that you can fly to and dock with and then take another vehicle down to the moon, You know, stuff like that. They want all the super cool data centers up there on the moon. Literally, that's what they're really.

A bunch of these guys who are arguing that the best way to handle the capacity we're going to need for our future of technological needs is to figure out a way to either in space or on the moon house most of our data center type stuff so that it would be cool, hyper cool. And then the massive lung extension. That's what I was going to say. The one part they never get into is the connectivity. bit. The data and the power. Yeah. I don't know how they're going to do that, but whatever. I need to look more into that and who is making those arguments. It's probably just Musk farting in the middle of the night on X.

Well, maybe. And the reason I say that is because I've heard people say that, and I could be wrong. I am no physicist or an expert in these areas. But I always think the reason when we cool something that's hot like a data center or anything, the reason it is able to be cooled is because some matter is in contact with it, whether it be air or water or something, that pools the heat away. If it's in the vacuum of space, there's nothing to pull the heat away. It will just get hotter and hotter. Yeah, yeah. Because there's no, like, air to, does that make sense? Do you know what I'm saying?

I get what you're saying. Yeah, I don't know. That's the thing. Every time I heard it talked about, it's usually the context is we want to have it. orbiting in space somewhere, like in just literal space. The problem is the radiation, the radiation from when it's in the sun's direct line of sight,

for lack of a better way of saying that. Yeah. In wow terms for people to play World Warcraft, but it's in your line of sight. It seems like that radiation, it certainly isn't going to stop radiating, and you're running without any kind of, I don't know what your protection plan is,

but the technology to get from orbit down here and quickly data-wise is improving. Like, say what you want about who owns Starlink. Starlink itself is kind of a miracle the way it works. Yeah, and there's a lot of, you were talking about extension cords. There's a lot of research going into figuring out how to wirelessly transmit electricity. Yeah.

And through, from space. Yeah. That could be a problem that they solve eventually. My favorite part of its whole mission, though, was and I guess any missions they do now are kind of like this, but this one in particular, because it's been 50 years, right, since we've done this particular.

More than 50 years. More than 50. Let me tell you about cameras 50 years ago. They were shit. Even the best stuff, even the best things that NASA could have had. Garbage. Now, they get up there with some really

professional equipment on device, sorry, on ship, on inside. Some of them are using their freaking phones and devices. Yeah. And taking just some shots from windows that are 400 times better just those crappy phone shots than the all of the pictures from 50 years ago.

Sure. So you end up with like some of the most insanely gorgeous stuff I've ever seen in my life. Like just outstanding photography from this mission, which again, and video. But again, not that the point of this was just to go take some pictures like it's a damn trip to, you know, Vegas or something. mission. Yeah. It was more like, you know, we've never been able to see with this granularity of detail, these craters on the moon, it's juxtaposition with the earth and where it is at any given time. Absolutely mind-blowing stuff. It really acted as a real inspiration at a time where I feel like a lot of people maybe needed that. So it's good. Yeah. But they eventually

splashed down and everything went really well. Everything went swimmingly, pun intended, because they Splash down in the ocean. Splash down, sure, yeah. Yeah. But that thing looked gnarly. Whenever they show those capsules after the splashdown, they're so crusty. They look like. Right, from all the heat.

Yeah. You know, they look like you screwed up your marshmallow at camp. It's just that bad. And you're just like, were they just one minute away from annihilation? Again, here's the 86 kid talking again. Sure, sure. Can't help it. It just seems like such a, our sci-fi is so easy.

It's just like. we gotta get to Planet Z. All right, getting the ship and let's go. We just don't think about it. But when it comes to actually what you have to do to make shit like this happen, crazy. It has to, you were just talking about heat. It has to be able to withstand 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit on reentry. I found the numbers of how much it slows down in my notes.

It's going 24,000 miles per hour and it has to slow down to eventually 19 miles per hour. Jeez. Jeez. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. And while they're in it, how much inertia are they feeling? Do you think when they're slowing at that rate? I'm sure they're feeling that it's got to be the most turbulent thing you've ever been in. Yeah, it's a lot. Have you ever been in an airplane when it's descending? Yes. I hate that feeling. Yeah. You bet their ears were popping quite a bit.

The stomach was in their throat. Yeah. But when they're like going really fast, just. in the kind of orbit or the trajectory they're working on and all that. It's such a wild thing to think that to them, they're just chilling. There's no like, in there. Yeah, yeah. But outside, their relative speed to the objects they're orbiting, like you said, a thousand miles an hour or something like that.

It's crazy to me. 24,000 miles per hour? Wow. And you don't feel that because it's the relativity thing. But it's just like they don't know that. or they do know that, because they're brilliant human beings. But that's such a weird thing to me. It'll always be weird.

It's the reason I can't watch the first Superman movie because when he turns the earth the other way, everybody would have just been thrown to hell and back. Yeah, I mean, earthquakes and who knows what, it would have destroyed us for sure. Oh, yeah, no living past that. Yeah. On re-entry, they start to experience 3.9 Gs,

so that's almost four times the force of gravity. But yeah, it's, it's the Gs that you feel is relative to how, how close you are to any massive gravitational object, right? Because that's where you're feeling that is when you're, when you're going against the force of gravity. Is that why they test you in that big, what's that called? The right stuff. Centripical, centrifugal force machine. Yeah, that's when they know you got the right stuff. That's my understanding.

but it was all really really cool the next one the next one they will not be landing on the moon I know if originally the plan was that Artemis 3 they would be landing on the moon but I think we talked about actually how they changed that plan and Artemis 3 is going to be another flyby testing other things and the whole thing about NASA lately is about safety which which is of course great

in fact that's the reason why they decided to create a trajectory where they would be coasting all the way to the moon and back is because of safety because and this will make sense when you hear it think about it if something goes wrong with the engines or anything no matter what they're going to end up coming back to the earth

on their own accord anyway even you know like like nothing's going to stop that once they get once they finish that trans lunar injection they're on a

they're on a it's a foregone conclusion they're on a path to come back to the earth no matter what happens. That's how it's going to slingshot. What I like about this is that the emphasis on safety, obviously there's history of these moments, many moments in NASA's history where there have been disasters that nobody or seemingly nobody could predict. I saw a documentary about the challenger stuff that made me wonder. But the point is like if you want to continue to have the space program to get the money you need to make it happen, the talent, the everything else, you're going to need to

make that first priority or else there's no there's nothing nothing will cool you on something more like nuclear energy here in this country than a disaster nothing so why have we not been back for 50 years for this kind of mission or similar mission probably a lot of it's that like you got to balance well how much how many billions are we spending for this but also how do we know you're not just going to blow everybody up on your way back in like i think this is the right priority I think. Yeah, totally. Absolutely. Probably a very obvious thing to say, but I felt like saying it. No, but it's not, it doesn't go without saying, Scott, because as you are making the point, Challenger and Columbia, there are two very, two manned space missions that were, lives were lost, right?

And in, in that 50-year period, so it's, it is a dangerous thing. We're sending people up. strapped to, you know, millions of pounds of... Fuel. Explosive fuel. Like, explosive. Like, I told my daughter that I said, she's like, oh, where are they inside that thing? And I pointed to the very top.

I said, see this little tiny triangle right at the top? That's the whole place where they live. She was like, what's all the rest of it? I was like, that's all gas. All fuel. That's all fuel. And that's all going to, that's what takes them there. And it will all explode.

And hopefully it doesn't explode with them attached. Just the tip is what they say in NASA. Here's the thing. I did notice that I looked at the old Apollo 11 or something capsule. Apollo 11 was the first people on the moon. Yeah, that was the very cramped little space in that capsule. They were literally kind of right on top of each other. This one I thought was pretty cramped until I saw that one in comparison.

And they've definitely got roomier in the tip than they used to be. Yeah. You have to leave a little room in the tip. You've got to leave some room in the tip, guys. room and the tip. Yeah, a reservoir, you might call it. That's terrible. One other thing I was going to say, I wanted to answer something. Someone that said, Bombie in the chat says, if they would do safety number one, I don't think humanity would have ever reached the moon. Well, yeah, if you want to talk about motivations other than safety, one of them was we need to beat the Russians and they need to beat us. And there was this competition happening in the Cold War that made that happen. And there were deaths and there were catastrophes leading up to it and near misses and all those things. I guess what I'm saying is in the year 2026 of our Lord. I'm glad there's, I don't know, I like the safety first thing, you know, and I like that their Mars rovers seem to live forever.

Those Mars rovers are freaking eating their veggies or whatever. I don't know what the hell's going on with that, but they get like, what, 10 years out of those things they thought they weren't going to get? Yeah. I love that. But let's not kid ourselves. We are also motivated by competition with China. for our current space.

Well, that's true, yeah. Yeah. Are they... But safety is definitely more of a concern now than it was 50 plus years ago. Yeah, that's for sure. Well, this is good, interesting stuff. I'm glad we got to finally talk about it because we didn't really get to do it here. Yeah, very cool.

If you have questions about Artemis, you should send them and I'll answer them. Sure. I'll ask them, sure, but more importantly, you ask them. I have a feeling all around, sometimes. has gone deep on all this? Is there any of that you'd like to recommend? Yes, the last two episodes that we've released, one of them being today and then the other one,

the one before that, were nothing but Artemis. Normally we do like a news item and then a feature, but the feature was news for the past two episodes. So we just spent a couple of hours just talking about Artemis. And like you said, we went real deep on what the journey was, how they went, got some audio from, transmissions they made. It was a very emotional journey.

And we got to hear a lot of it. And we talk a lot about that. So check out all around science where we talk a ton about this stuff. Wherever you get your podcast, you'll find it. Bobby Frank and Burger. Good luck with the rest of your business over there, your thing, your deal. Your yard. Thanks. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That. Yeah. Your deck. I couldn't think of the word. but soon you'll be out there sunning, you know, waving mosquitoes away. I don't know what you do down there. I have no idea. I'm making all this out. The point is to not have to sun.

That's why we're trying to cover it. Sipping a mint julep, because that's where you live, right? You're in the south. Oh, yeah. A little mint julep in some, what do you call it? What's that drink we like a lot, Brian? Gin and tonics. Sure.

Just out on the porch. Sipping that. What's the sign that you've had too many gin and tonics? It's not being able to remember. You know what it is. It's when I'm podcasting with you or anything by myself. If it's not in my notes, I can't say it.

Yeah. No, I feel you. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, I get it. I have the opposite problem. I say all sorts of shit, I should stick to the notes. Bobby, have a fantastic week.

We'll see you next time. Thanks, you guys, too. Bye now. All righty. Bye. Bye, everybody. Actually, we do have to say goodbye to everybody. We're done.

We're out of here. Hey, frogpants.com slash TMS is our website. use it on the frequent and if you're looking for any information about upcoming shows upcoming anything links to all the stuff we talk about it's all right there at frogpants.com slash TMS there's also a nerdtacular link there

so if you can come or even if you just want the swag bag there's links right there for you to grab them. Today the Monday show will happen at 1 p.m. Me and Carter will be hanging out and talking while my mother, my mother, her mother is in California with her girlfriends having a good time. Having a little ladies trip.

Yep. They've had a plan for a long time. They went to Disney and, I can't remember what all they're doing. Disney for sure, though. Very cool. Yeah. She said she was on Space Mountain yesterday and was surprised how nauseous he was when she got off.

Really? Yeah. Sometimes that'll do it to you, you know. Yeah, for sure. Anyway, have you ever seen that place with lights turned on, by the way? Yes. I've seen videos of it. I've not seen it with lights turned on in person.

We did because something broke and they had to turn them on. Just temporary. there was one where the ride after us had that happen and we were standing out out like where the uh um where the where people come out of the ride like just past the gift shop because a couple members of our group had to go to the bathroom and the next group came out and they were talking about how they turned the lights on yeah it's very odd it's so weird I'm sure it is it basically any all scaffolded and yeah all the theater of the mind you have about space mountain gone yeah just yeah yeah

It's a warehouse full of shit. It's what it is. Sure. Yeah. But it works when the lights are out. Anyway, I think that's it. We've got to play song, though. We got a little something there lined up.

Yeah, this one's going out to Mark. Mark said, Dear Scotch and Bonnet to celebrate my anniversary of turning life, the universe, and everything, plus one. I'd like to humbly request the cover of The Last Saskatchewan Pirate by Scotland's preeminent pirate-themed metal band, Aylstorm. I love that name. If the covermaster is unable, blah, blah, blah. I'm able. As always, appreciate the broadcast and shove the low, Mark in Sydney.

Shove the low. I like that. Shove the low. All right. This is Ayl Storm from the EP. They released a couple years ago from Voyage of the Dead Marauder. It's a cover of arrogant worms. The last Saskatchewan pirate.

Here is Aylstorm. Well, I used to be a farmer and I made a living fine. I had a little stretch of land along the CP line. But times were hard and though I tried, the money wasn't there. the bankers came and took my land and told me fair is fair. I looked for every kind of job. The answer always know. How are you now?

They're 20 go. End off just another bum. Then I thought who gives that down if all the jobs are gone. I'm going to be a pirate on the river, Saskatchewan. Once in a while, things we do in our past, they come back, they haunt us a little bit, they spring from nowhere. And yesterday Brian sent me maybe one of the most. delightful things I've ever seen in my life. And it was like some sort of corporate video taken in

1996 featuring the one and only Brian of it. I have clips, dude. I want to play him. Oh, let's hear it. All right. So here's Brian in his first lines. He's in a suit, by the way. This is so badass. Brian in a suit. Yeah, Brian in a suit. This is a very youthful in his 20s, Brian, talking about whatever the hell pre-print figures are. But here you go. I'm going to play this for you. I think circulation can give me those preprint figures. I'll check with them and I'll get back to you. I'll see if I can get some information for you. I'll get back to you. I freaking love it, dude.

I love it. We got this right around dinner time when I started looking at it, and everybody's gathered around the table, the kids and Kim and I, and we just put this on my iPhone 6 and laid it out in front of everybody, not knowing anything about what you sent. I had no idea.

You just had said, hey, don't put this on social media yet. You need to watch it first. Then Brian pops in with that line about the pre-print figures, and I just about lost out of a mouthful of food. I think I kind of horked some of it up all over the place. And then your other line, which is my favorite bet. I want to paint a visual

picture here. And you can correct me if you think I get any of this wrong, but it's Brian in an office showing the wrong way or the current way that this might go down versus the automated rep person. Exactly right. Yeah, it's funny because in normal infomercials, this would be the black and white bit and Tia would be in color. Right. And you'd be flipping a tray around and spilling it all over yourself or something. But, you know, you're in this office, you're in the suit, you're like across the desk from somebody and their phone, you know, all their stuff is on their desk. And you say this, I'll just give you the line here.

Here we go. The new health and fitness section? I'm not sure, but I'll find out if I can use your phone. Now, the best part, the way you're overturing toward his phone. Yeah, it's like, can I? Your hands just inching over to the phone and picking it up ever so slightly. I was dying. And forever now, forever, forever, we have things like this.

I think circulation can give me those preprint figures. I'll check with them and I'll get back to you. Talk to circulation. Okay, call me back. Bye-bye. Bye-bye now. Can I use your phone? Incredible, dude.

Incredible. You call the clip clap. This has been a Frog Pants production. Find all our shows at FrogPants.com. Listen, you're not pissing in somebody's pool, are you?