The Morning Stream - TMS 3062: Less Ratner

Episode Date: September 3, 2026

I'm a makin a nice pastaaaaaa. These aren't the swingers you're looking for. (S) I'm up all night to get heartburn. 10 different vibes and none of them were good. Serial Killer or Swinger? Pineapple Anyone? This is the John Stewart you are looking for. Come to Randyland. We moved Catwoman. The Wheels of Podcasting keep on turnin. Definitely Not Non-Alcoholic. Seeking a leather-couch-type man. All Swung Out. Eating 8-15 Raw Tortillas. Make me look fancy. Just the right amount of abuse with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream.VIDEO: https://youtu.be/f36cBwbRDxo Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In 1957, Frank Sinatra called rock music, quote, the most brutal, ugly, degenerate, vicious form of expression it has been my displeasure to hear. And he also had nothing nice to say about the Beatles when he heard them a few years later, until he heard the song something, which he then described as, quote, the greatest love song of the past 50 years and even recorded his own version. Anyway, have your own turnaround with TMS today at patreon.com slash TMS. Coming up on the morning stream, I'm making a nice pasta. These aren't the swingers you're looking for. I'm up all night to get heartburn. Ten different vibes and none of them were good. Cereal killer or swinger.

Pineapple, anyone? This is the John Stewart you are looking for. Come to Randy Land, we moved Catwoman. The wheels of podcasting keep on turning. Definitely not non-alcoholic. Seeking a leather couch type man. All swung out. Eating 8 to 15 raw tortillas.

me look fancy. Just the right amount of abuse with Wendy and more on this episode of the morning stream. Ready to have fun? Doing what? Well, you like Kellogg's Rice Krispy cereal? Sure, we had them for breakfast. Then how about making marshmallow treats with it this afternoon? Yeah. Okay. Come on. When we heard there's a hot cereal with crunch, we said great. The morning stream. What do you say? We get nipple to nipple. Hello, everybody.

I'm welcome to TMS. This is the morning stream for September 3rd, 2020. I'm Scott Johnson. That is Brian. I bet. Good morning, good Thursday morning to you. Very, very weird feeling week, having us just do the two days and then a Friday. Totally.

Yes, absolutely weird. But, you know, I'm here for it. Yeah. Yeah, me too. I got up today and went, you know what? We're doing this. Yeah, it is tough, though, right? Like, you were kind of thinking, oh, my God, I just came off vacation.

Maybe I could take another day. But no, no, the wheels of podcasting got to keep turning. Yeah, those wheels roll whether we're here or not. So we may as well be here. That's the way I look at it. Exactly. It's good to see you all. Nice to have a little chat going on and whatnot.

We should have Wendy a little bit later, so that'll be fun. Cool. Looking forward to all that. I forgot to tell you yesterday. Yeah. Two things that were pretty funny about this trip. Excellent. One of them I told on the Monday show yesterday, I'll reshare it here.

But it was just too good. Too good not to share twice. When we were barbecuing, because they had these outdoor gas grills you could use at the timeshare thing we're using. And they're covered in like a canopy thing. So there's not a lot of sun on you and that sort of thing in the summer months. It's the stuff that's right next to that playground. I told you they got destroyed by the storm. Oh, they got washed out.

Yeah. So it's right there. And there's also between us and the washed out thing was this like planter. It was like a long, I don't know about this long, some sort of deep planter. It just had like random looking plants in it to me. It didn't look like anything other than just like, this is decoration out here or something. I wasn't sure what it was. And so I didn't bother with it too much.

But then while we're out there, some guy comes out. out there and he starts digging in there and he's very excited and he's going ah he's like digging in the with his hands he was his hands pulling stuff out like yanking things out and Kim goes Kim goes oh I think that's a that's like an herb garden okay and I went oh that's weird it's just like a random herb garden back here but sure enough she was right it's got had like chives in it and like oregano and a bunch stuff and just stuff that you could use as you're grilling back there like go and help yourself to some free cilantro or something yeah just hoping no one, you know, Pete in there or whatever.

You always worry about what people do to public things. But, but yeah, it's kind of nice. And we did some of the chives after this guy left, but here's the best part. Guy comes out. He looks like my uncle Joel in that he is a product of the 60s, still got that really long ponytail that he had. Gray? Yeah.

Oh, gray as it can be. Yeah. You know the look, right? I totally know the look. Yeah, there's a very specific look to that. and he has got that look. He's also wearing cargo shorts way too high, just way up here.

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And like the exact kind of shirt you'd think he would wear with it. Like it was just a walking stereotype. Big giant professor glasses. And he grabs a bunch of stuff and then he turns around to us and he holds it out like kind of like this in his hands. And he goes,

I'm making a nice pasta. And, And then he turns around, turns around and goes back to the thing. It was great. Awesome. It was great. Oh, my God. That's fantastic.

I was like so positive. I was going to remember to tell you that story yesterday. And I just forgot to write it down. There was a lot. We had a lot to cover yesterday. A lot to catch up on. That's great. Oh, my gosh.

It was good. And I'm sure it was lovely. I bet it is. Yeah, like an herbie oil pasta as opposed to a sauce-based. Sure. Yeah. And his wife, I assume it was his wife, but the lady he was with that I saw

to the door he went through didn't have any of the stereotype of... Oh, really? She wasn't the female version of the thing we were saying. Yeah. Yeah. So I just feel like that guy locked in at some point and said, I'm never budging off of this look. This is what I am right here. Yes.

I've moved on maybe from Grateful Dead concerts to leftover salmon, but but same same vibe. It was just such a crazy thing to have him be so excited to tell us what he was going to do. I'm making a nice

pasta. Like, I'll bet you are, dude. Well done. But then, and then the other thing I forgot to tell anybody was Kim and I were at the pool. We went there as often as we could because we just like a good pool. And we're chilling in the pool. And at some point, or actually we're sitting on chairs and I'm reading a book.

Kim's doing a Sudoku thing. We're looking like your typical freaking midlife couple, you know, sitting there. Yeah. And another couple who, they looked a little older than us, kept kind of like eyeball on us and like the, the husband had like a cup full of a drink that was definitely not, it was definitely not non-alcoholic.

Like it definitely had something in there. Some was booze. It's definitely boozy in there. Yeah, I can't explain why I felt that way because I didn't smell it or taste it or anything. I just something about the vibe, just could tell. And this guy is like tatted up and wearing a trucker hat and just a, and he looked like he's never, he's never worried one. There's never been a day in his life where he said, I've got to get some SPF 50 and make sure to bring that in my truck. Gotcha. Okay.

Do you know what I mean? That like leathery. His skin has been conditioned to handle the elements. Yeah, it's like red leather, kind of. Yeah, yeah. And then the wife. Red yellow yellow yellow leather. Red leather yellow leather.

Don't ask me to do it. I'm terrible at that. so he so she's there in her uh he's there in her husband's kind of swirling around with him and they keep looking at our direction keep looking at us and then i catch it then they'd look away and they'd they'd kind of float around a little bit more and i'm like they're being weird and i bump kem i go what you think that's about she goes i don't know they're just maybe they think they know us and so they get her a little closer and she finally the lady finally breaks the ice and she pulls up to the side of the pool puts her arms up on the edge of the pool and goes so

What are you guys up to this weekend? And I go, I decided to speak. I said, oh, you know, just chilling by the pool. How long have you been here? I go, we got here yesterday afternoon, I think it was. Yesterday afternoon or around five or something. She goes, interesting, interesting. And then she'd be quiet for a minute.

She goes, so do you have any friends around? You have anybody around here that you're just like hanging out with or anything? Oh, God. It almost sounds like, is there anybody who will miss you if you disappear suddenly? I know. I was getting like 10 different vibes at the same time and none were good. No, right. So she kept fishing like that, questions like that and comments like that.

Kept going and going and going. And I was just kind of like really nonchalant. Like, yeah, we like it here. We like Moab's cool. And she asked something about, where's your favorite place to eat? I'm like, well, we haven't really been anywhere yet. and, you know, like, she just kept going. I have some toast I could recommend.

Yeah. There's a toast place you need to check out downtown. How do you feel about toast? I have a place I could recommend, yeah. Toast! So she goes, she kept doing it, and eventually, I think I said something. I don't know what did it. It just feel like a light switch turned off. Like, I don't know what it was I said.

But whatever it was I said made her go, no, and then go away. Yeah. Yeah. And I wasn't, I wasn't rude. I didn't say anything like mean or I didn't ignore her or anything. I think I just maybe said, yeah, we're here for our anniversary and I don't know. I think I made it sound really wholesome or something. I can't explain what this was. But she just went. You were hoping maybe there was a little bit of lasciviousness. There was a little door opening. Yeah. Basically, I think these people were swingers. That's what I think. Yeah. And they were, let me put it this way. We're not in that market. Okay. sure we're not swingers but if we were we keep shopping this was not these were not the swingers these are not the swingers you're looking for

yeah exactly like they were really you know just find normal people but if you're gonna ask if you're gonna if you're gonna ask me if I want to enter that lifestyle yeah yeah you gotta give me a better floor model to work with oh for sure sure yeah yeah I mean You know, it's what, everybody's got a, it does, just because you're with somebody and you're swinging doesn't mean you're, you've changed what you find attractive and what you want. Everybody still has their like, no, I'm looking for, you know, the Zoe Dachianel type or I'm looking for the, the Andy Garcia type or something like that.

Then, you know, I'm sure somebody would say I'm looking for the skin cancer looking red leather type. I'm looking for a dude that looks like a pullout couch. Yeah. That's now on the curb. Someone's trying to get rid of it. Like that was the bad. Right. And then nothing from them.

It looked for a baseball mitt. And after whatever this was, this final bit of interaction, she kind of just goes, swoosh and just swishes away. He follows and then never a peep out of those people again. I'll bet that you said something like, yeah, just see what happened with the stormed into that playground? man, just destroy the place. I hate swings, man. Swinging, I really, I hate swinging, so I'm okay with that playground getting washed away.

Yeah, every time people get sad when there's no playground, but me, I love it when there's no swinging going on. No swinging. No upside down pineapples here. Is that still a thing? I don't know if that's still there. I have no idea. Is it upside down or is it just pineapples? I thought it was upside down, I thought.

But maybe it's just. You're not just, you're not conflating upside down pineapple. cake with with upside down pineapples and swinging pineapples. Even dumber, I might be confusing it with those Brazilian beef meat places where they, you flip the little

thing to say you want more meat. I might be doing that. Choroscaria or whatever they're called. Yeah. Phelan says upside down. Okay, so I guess that is it. It's an upside down pineapple. So do you do you like get the pineapple if you're swinging

and then you turn the pineapple upside down when you've had enough swinging for the day? I mean, I mean, I hope so. Just like the, just like the Tarascaria, you just say, okay, yep, I'm full of swing in today. We turned the pineapple upside down. Two neighborhoods ago, we had neighbors that were apparently into this and did, I guess, had like, in their car, the air freshener is a pineapple, but it was flipped. Okay. So they purposely, like, made a new hole on the other side.

Yeah. And hung it like that. Yeah. No kidding, right? And we never really talked to those people. They were kind of two blocks away or whatever, but we would hear these stories, man. And it was just like, what are people up to over there?

It just seemed really foreign to me. But I don't know, these, you know, whatever. Good luck to them. I hope that they struck Peter while they were in Moab. I don't know who they would have found. I know for quite a while. We had listeners who also did their own podcast, the average swingers podcast, and they were such a great resource of like, yeah, tell me about this lifestyle. Who, okay.

Cool, glad I'm on this side of it, but good for you. I'm glad you guys are doing well with it and that sort of thing. Shout out to Ryan Og in the chat who said, swinging sounds exhausting. He made a really great Mova joke here. If I wanted to disappoint two people, I'd go gank my bot line. Dude, that's amazing. I get that reference. Yeah, yeah.

It's good. We got gamers around here, everybody. We all know. We know what's up. Anyway, that's how that all went. That's funny. Well, you know, it's a good lead into the, I'm continuing on my Marvel rewatch of stuff.

I did the, I followed the, good, good. I did X-Men and then X-2, X-Men United. Then I went into, right into Captain America, first Avenger. And then the Avengers. I forgot how good the Avengers is. It's so good.

It is. Everything but Captain America's uniform is good. I hate that. Yes, yes. But you know, they had to start somewhere. But, I mean, Marie Hill and Colson and all that stuff. And I would have been burdened with glorious purpose and all that. Hulk chasing the widow around is often.

Yes. Through the, geez, just the, you know, that whole destroying the bottom of the. helic carrier with the Hulk fight. And then I said, well, the next thing it wants me to watch, it wants me to go right from Avengers, right into Avengers' Infinity War. And I'm waiting because I'm seeing

on the 25th or 24th, I'm seeing End Game Encore which has all the new bonus footage that leads right into Doomsday. Not at the Almo, by the way. I'm seeing it back at a freaking AMC theater because Alamo is it listing it. Oh, weird.

Did AMC secure some kind of rights or something? I don't think so. I think Alamo just probably said, yeah, we don't need to. We've got our own old movies we want to show again. I see. So wait, this isn't a double header then. They're not doing Infinity War right into endgame. It's just end game.

Okay. Oh, now they're showing it. Avengers Endgame Encore 6 p.m. on the 24th. Oh. I'm going to try and get tickets for that because I'd rather see it at the, I mean, obviously, I'd rather not pay for it. Well, yeah, plus it's just your place now, man. You're used to it.

It's my place. Yeah. strongest of the Iron Man films, but I forgot how much of a really good storyline it was Tony having all the PTSD from the wormhole from the New York battle and interacting with kids and stuff. And he's just, you know, they make that character so good with the kid. He's great. That kid is great. That kid is a good actor. Yeah. Kind of hinges on him doing a good performance and he really kills it. It really is.

The whole thing with the, you know, extremists and you'll never see me coming. Yes. God, I love what they've done with Trevor Slattery since then. Yeah. And you still need to make sure you watch Wonder Man, even though it's only one season. Crime.

Yeah. That's still a great season. And God, he's so good. So that's confirmed canceled. They're done. It's confirmed canceled, which blows my mind. Because it got an Emmy nomination. It's like it's done the best,

critically, of all of the Disney Plus Marvel stuff. So I can't understand why they would do that. It must have been a really low watch rate or something. I guess. That sucks. It does suck. I haven't even seen it and I'm mad at them, you know? Yeah, yeah.

It's like, make something good and then keep making it. Why do you do that? You'll be even madder when you see it and say, oh, my God, this thing is so good. Why did they sleep on it? Yeah. I was going to say about that. I forgot.

I forgot. I had something I was going to say about where you were headed with what you're going to see next. Oh, I was going to say, people can say whatever they want about three, Iron Man 3. It's so much better than two. Two is bad. Two is bad, right? Because that was the one with his drinking and that whole thing. Whiplash was, you know, I like that.

And Sam Rockwell elevates everything. everything he's in. Yeah, that stuff's cool. But you're right. That one is... It's just uneven and weird. There were things that I was expecting to see in three that I'm like, oh yeah, I guess that was in two, the whole Sam Rockwell side of things.

That's the one where he uses the suitcase suit. Yes. In two. Right, right. He's at the racetrack or whatever and whiplash starts whipping. Uh-huh. Yep. It starts slicing race cars in half.

Like there's stuff to like in. in two. It's just two feels mushy and uneven and I don't know. I don't like two. Three, I like three just fine. It was fine. Yeah. And seeing all those suits, man, that was badass. That's really badass. It's so cool. Especially and they do that in three obviously with the whole the final battle, which is

you know, 14 different Iron Man, empty Iron Man suits fighting alongside Tony and that was the Shane Black directed? Shane Black. Yeah. Yeah. I like Shane Black movies. I'm down with it. Yeah. So what's next then? You're off. That's where you ended or where you're? No, I'm going to keep going. But I'm not going to do everything.

We saw Dark World recently, you and I for couch party. So I'm not going to do that one again. I think I will watch Guardians of the Galaxy one and two again because those, they're just so much fun. You know, it was. They're all timers, man. Yeah, exactly. It's some of my favorite Marvel stuff. I would argue the Guardians of the Galaxy saved the DC universe because these were so good and so successful

and put James Gunn on in like perfect light that everybody went oh shit we should spend all this money and hire him over here because man am I I'm enjoying lanterns so freaking much Oh it's so good I love it dude I love the vibe of it it's just great

in this flashback episode this last one Yeah, how they're doing time jumps is great. Usually, that sometimes hits me wrong. These are working for me. They really aren't. And what's her name that was in this new episode? I love her.

She's in everything. Yeah, from Hamilton. She was Peggy. Peggy. Yeah. I can't think of her name. She was in, she was the wife in Truman Show. Oh, Laura Linney's.

Laura Linney. I thought you're talking about John's mom, who was Peggy and Hamilton. Oh, you know what? I just screwed up. When you said Hamilton, I thought my head went, John, no, it went John Adams. And what's her name from Truman Show that you just mentioned? What's her name again?

White Lady plays the Guardian. Laura Lennie plays John Adams' wife, Annabelle, or whatever name was, in John Adams. Oh, it's so good, dude. It's so good. Yeah, I know. I need to, I need to watch it. Hell of a hell of a thing. But yeah, anyway, they're just going places and I'm into it. Cool.

And this Aaron Pierre guy? Okay, look, I like the ladies. I'll tell you that. You know that of me. I like the ladies. You can say he's an attractive person without qualifying. He's more than that. Nobody is going to.

He has the dreamiest eyes. Yeah, no, he's a very handsome man. And he's convinced me that this is the John Stewart we were looking for. For sure. He will be there. that for whatever the future of the DCU is for his time there. Use him as much as you can. Yeah.

Get him in movies. Get him in more seasons of lanterns. All that stuff. He is awesome. Someone said they are contacts, Luke Seidwalker. I don't think so. The other movie I saw him in with Don Johnson,

that Southern Revenge thing was, I can't remember the name of it. I recommended it here on the show. He has the same big, beautiful eyes in that. All I'm saying is in Britain, they know how to make very handsome black people. I don't know how they do. Yeah, I mean, listen, Idriselba is kind of on my list that if,

geez. If, you know, if I did ever decide to dabble and I had a completely open menu, might start with Idriselba. Why not? Yeah. Might start and end with that guy. You never know. You probably snap me in half.

I love it. I love it. Well, all right. So, but you're getting there. going to be you're going to finish all this and everything is going to be good to go before yeah i'm going to try i'm going to try and end with uh infinity war right before i go see uh end game encore nice and now and and what was great is with the amc i could go see in game encore at three o'clock in the afternoon Tina's working she's like yeah you go see

it without me it's totally fine I'm looking at the times for alamo and there's a five o'clock show in the big theater yeah uh which means Cortina is like instead of me going and seeing that and being back home cooked dinner, whatever, I think I might be gone for dinner or I get her a ticket

and there's just that, which I think I might do. Yeah, yeah. I mean... I'm going to reserve a ticket right now for Tina. Yeah, lock it in, lock it in. It's free. If it's open,

then I'll put my giant tub of popcorn in the seat next to me. Just kidding. Popcorn. I've discovered that popcorn and chips and salsa at Mexican restaurants are my my kryptonite, my downfall.

Same, I won't stop if there's it in front of me. Exactly. And like if I, you know, I can watch my, I could get on the scale every morning and I can watch my weight go down, down, down, down. And then we go to a Mexican restaurant and I'm like, yep, I'm only eating half my burrito. I'm going to take the rest home. But don't forget about, you know, the chips and salsa. If you think about it as, all right, I'm eating chips and salsa.

every chip, I'm eating a quarter of a tortilla. Yeah. Would I sit at a table and just eat eight raw tortillas? Just one right after the next. Eight to 15 raw tortillas and a ton of salsa, which is full of, you know, some good stuff, but there's like sugar in there. Yeah. No, you're totally right. It's a misleading thing.

And they keep bringing it to you. That's the other thing. It's like, oh, can I refill that for you? No! No! Give me this prediction. Do you predict that this encore deal gets to be the new version of the movies streaming once this happens? Oh, without a doubt.

Without a doubt. But probably not until, I would say, two weeks before the release of Doomsday, Disney Plus pulls the, you know, hits the button and switches the current end game that's on the service to be this new end game. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah. All right. I think that's true. Why wouldn't they?

That'd be dumb not to. Right, exactly. But I do feel like it's going to be, it's basically Disney's way of saying, hey, what this does for us is it says, remember all that King's stuff that we did? Yeah, yeah, forget all that. Endgame encore,

boop right into Thunderbolts' Fantastic Four and Doomsday. That's all you need. Yeah. Just skip right over it. Just skip right over. You don't do anything of that. It's so, I don't know. I don't know.

I don't want to beef about it too much, but... I know. There was some great parts of the multiverse saga, but... Just like a soft tissue part of a strong muscle. Yeah. Where it got a little weird murky and... It did, and they forgot, they forgot what made the first, the, the infinity gauntlet phase.

What they call that first phase? Phase one or phase. Yeah, there was some name to it, like the infinity gauntlet phase or whatever. But how all of the movies, ended with, here's more Thanos kind of progressing, showing that he's developing the background, and then Infinity Saga.

And then, but Multiverse saga's like, hey, look, we've got the kid from one direction now, and we've got this character, and hey, here's for Louise, Ted Lassow, bo, bo, bo, you know, stuff like that. It just got goofy to the point where Multiverse has this problem even in the comics.

Like, it's just cluttered and and convoluted and and kind of unsatisfying in the end. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know why they decided to tackle that so hard. There are plenty of storylines I could have lifted from. I don't know.

I don't know. I kind of get it on the one hand and then there's part of me that's like, why did you guys do that? I'm excited for them to get back on track after Secret Wars and say, okay, now we're focused. It's the mutant saga. We've already got a couple, you know, we've already introduced one.

No spoilers. and we're going to keep on going, but I'd love to see, love to see some of those great Claremont storylines adapted for, um, for the big screen in the right way. Yeah.

Bring it on. More Claremont. Less, uh, I don't want to throw one under the best. Les Ratner. Wes Ratner. You know,

that's a good, that's a slogan for all of Hollywood. Less Ratner. Less Ratner. Yeah. I mean, I've seen last stand. It's garbage.

Yeah. Uh, all right. Well, let's, get into some news stories before Wendy arrives and we'll see what we can dig up here. Here we go.

It's the news and it's brought to you by. It's brought to you by Coverville. We'll have a Coverville right after TMS today. Celebrating the birthday, the 80th birthday of one Barry Gibb, the last remaining BG, last living BG.

I thought we lost all the Gibbs. I didn't know that. I thought all of them were going. Oh, he's still around. He's 80. He's born in 1946 on the Isle of Man, of course. Sure. Because, you know, you look at that beard and that feathered hair and what else do you say? That is an I love man. But covers today of the BeeGs by folks like Les Claypool, the Polyphonic Spree,

Baby Spice, the Wallflowers, Chumbawamba, goodness. Hansen, I mean, you know, if it, if, Dexie's Midnight Renners, listen, you don't want to miss this. There's some really wacky stuff in today's episode. That sounds awesome. Yeah. And I think of Barry Gibb.

Yeah. I think of this, right? Oh, boy. This is your Barry Gibb. That's your Barry Gibb, right? Like, that is, you know, what we, what women defined in the 70s and 80s as there's a man right there. Yeah, there's a man. He looks, Chris Christofferson's another one.

They all had this look. Kenny Raj. Yep. That feathered hair. Early Sam Elliott, they all look like this. Closely cropped beard. Exactly. Yep.

Now, he looks like somebody who maybe wants to sell me AARP membership stuff. I mean, you have any gold you'd like to sell? I mean, he kept the hair. That's cool. He did. Or tried. I think it's a little thin up top. You know, I live in that realm as well.

Exactly. By the way, we talked. a little bit about swinging earlier. Robin Gibb. One of the B, you know, one of the BGs, along with Morris, Robin Gibb, had an open marriage. Oh, I didn't know that? Yeah. Was he the one that was married to the British pop lady? Oh, what was her name?

Well, here are the three of them. Which one's he? Robin Gibb is in the middle there. Maurice is the one on the left with the hat. Okay, I think Maurice is the one I'm thinking of, I've married the British pop lady. and that was a weird relationship but not as far as I know it wasn't open yeah Molly Hollis

and Dwina Murphy Gibb were Robin Gibbs' wives let me see who Morris yeah look at that name's gonna jump out of me as soon as I hear it exactly I know it's it looks like it should be pronounced Maurice but it's um oh Lulu Lulu that's her yeah

she was interviewed on something I don't remember where I heard it she was really good interview She cracked me up. Oh, she's, and she's, God, she's such a great singer. Yeah. Still around doing her stuff. She is.

Yeah, she's still alive, yeah, 77. But I mean, look at, so, okay, just this quick shot here. Yeah, yeah. Look at Barry. I mean, that's a, that's a handsome man. That is, like, it's here, he's a Marlboro man, basically, is what he is. He, ha, ha, ha, and he starts singing, you want to run away, though. Yeah.

You're like, what the hell's coming out of him? Exactly. All right. That's all well and good. Let's get to these stories. Right after TMS at Twitch.tv slash coverbill. There we go. Yep.

If you hear live, we'll just do a raid so you guys can head right over. A woman has live streamed herself vandalizing a World War II memorial before asking viewers to, quote, make me look fancy. Oh, geez. Yeah, I love this one. This is great. And by love, I mean hate. A Kentucky woman allegedly live streamed herself vandalizing the World War II memorial before asking viewers to edit the footage to edit the footage to. to make her look fancy and spread it across the internet.

Melissa Ferris, age 41, of Elizabeth Town, Kentucky. Not to be confused with, there's another one in Pennsylvania or something. Right? Aren't there multiple? I think so, right? Yeah, like, uh. Or I think of at Allen Town. Well, there is an Allentown, Pennsylvania, yeah.

I might be confusing that with the song and everything. Yeah, Elizabeth Town, the only one I think of is Kentucky, because Tina drove through there when we did a Kentucky, Tennessee, hit a bunch of newspapers, but we turned it into a vacation trip and went to Dollywood and all that on the same trip. Kim wants to do a trip to Dollywood now. Oh, sure.

Because of all this. While we do it, we should swing through Texas and go to Frank Beardywood. Because everyone, in all of these famous deaths recently, everyone's forgotten about Frank Beard. The beardless member of ZZ Top, at least for a while.

He did grow a beard for a while, which is like, don't do it, dude. Don't see it. succumbed to pressure. Yeah. Your name is Frank Beard. Be the only one with no beard. That's right.

Exactly. Anyway, poor one out for poor Frank Beard. Anyway, this lady's in trouble. She, let's see, each federal, or each federal felony, and it gets counted every time she did something to this thing. Carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison. Right now, they're just allegations. She's not been convicted. But anyway, she maintained the public Facebook and Instagram accounts under the name Melissa Lovewell.

Lovewell, sorry. I don't like that name. A screenshot included in the federal criminal complaint showed her Facebook account with about 878 followers where she described herself as a digital creator. Oh, geez. Okay. I hope they throw the full book at her and she gets like three decades. Absolutely. So I'm like looking at this.

What is she? Does she spray paint? I'm seeing, yeah, orange paint spelling hands, clean, spelling out clean hands dirty money on a wall. Yeah. She has a saddering green and pink paint. She's got some message to tell. But you know what? You're going to do that on a World War II memorial.

and not expect repercussions and you're filming it? What's wrong with you? I mean, if she did that in front of the wrong people and by wrong people, I mean the right people to be there and see her doing it. It'd be the wrong people for her. It's basically what it is. That is, and that's such a cool, that one was a cool memorial.

Oh my God, Tina and I, we got there right at dusk. That was actually the one that I crashed my bike. We did that bike tour around the, the, oh, yeah. All the memorials. Yeah. And it was getting dark, and I was following the lead dude.

And somehow he missed this giant hole, this giant dark hole in the lawn. And my friend tire just went in there and just stopped me instantly. Oh, my gosh, dude. Yeah. I was fine. I got up and I was laughing. He's like, oh, my God, are you okay? Do we need to call some?

Like, oh, no, I'm fine. Bike working still? Yeah, great. Good. Keep on going. Keep it up. Yeah. Keep it up, Colorado, boy, they say.

Exactly. All right. there's that. I hope they throw the book at her. Yeah, absolutely. Throw the book. Now. To as many books as you have, all the books you have. That's right. Now we're going to throw the mental health book at people. Something wrong, Batman. Has anybody seen Wendy?

Well, she's right here. Unfortunately, she had to listen to our entire news story, but she's here. It's all right. It's all right. Hi, Wendy has thoughts about it too. Hi. Hi. Hi. How are you? Hey, good. Real quick. I just want to add a land for people to go to if they're interested. Oh, give us a land to go to. When you're in Pittsburgh, it's called Randy Land. Okay.

And you're going to meet Randy. You just, you wander around outside. He has painted, he's a guy with autism who has painted a million amazing signs. And like, it's incredible. I'm looking at the site. Oh, my gosh. Look at that. It's wild.

And, you know, Pete lives in, Pete, Abe lives in Pittsburgh now. And so Adam and Abe were able to, you know, chat with the guy. And then Abe's been back. It's like, it's a tourist trap now. And he's always outside, ready to talk to. He's the cutest. And anyway, it's impressive. Wow.

I'm blown away. I'm looking at the website. That is some of the most colorful stuff. Does he just own this little zone here? Yeah. I think he just inherited the property and has just, like, I think it, he can't stop painting. And there it is. He has an incredible sense of one thing that's hard in color theory, no matter where you're doing it, digital or paint or anything, is getting, like if you're aiming for brightness of colors, it's actually hard to mix for it.

It's like tricky. Your eyes don't, like I'm bad at it. I'm terrible at it, actually. This guy's freaking nailed the concept. Just beautiful contrast. I need to be autistic is what I'm saying. You really ought to up your game. Yeah, I really need to improve it.

Where do I get that? Wendy, do you have a, you know people. Let's get that done. You know a guy who can be hot to. All right. Let's get to our time with Wendy. It's Therapy Thursday, a chance for Wendy to use her real world mental health skills and help you guys with your problems when you write them in.

This is an interesting question we got this week because that's just not what I expected. I'll read it and then we'll talk about it. This actually came from Omega 9. He seemed to be fine with us using his name. He's in the chat today, I believe. Yep, there is up there. He says, hey, show and Wendy. I guess we're show, Brian.

That's awesome. That's fine. Yeah, I'll take it. Might not be enough for a Therapy Thursday show. Oh, it is. But I have this question and have had it for a while. Every Thursday seems like a downer. So many people have so many different dramas.

When you are the person that they come to with all of the drama, how do you separate yourself from the emotional trauma? Kind of rhymed. Just listening is hard enough sometimes. I can't imagine doing it every day as a job. How do you, quote, leave the office at the door, unquote? Is it something that they teach you in school? Just wondering, love the show, love what you do, says Omega 9.

Really great question. One that, you know, when I first started reading, I was like, well, let me tell you, Brian and I, every Thursday, and we prepare ourselves right. But as soon as we stop reading these weird news stories, we don't take them home with us. Yeah, we just leave them at the door. But Wendy is a whole different bag of chips. everybody she talks to is, you know, and this is, I guess, Therapy 101, all the therapists are hearing sometimes the worst things ever all day. Yeah, yeah.

So how do you, how do you guys do that? I think this is super interesting. So I guess we'll see how much of this too. Oh, yeah. Her job, but her job always runs into this, right? Lots of it. Yeah. How does she not bring that home to Brian?

So Wendy, what do you do to keep it out of Adams flossing face? Oh, well, that's usually where it goes. No, actually, can we start with Tina? How does she do it, Brian? Can you share her secret? You know, she is just really good about compartmentalizing stuff. And so for those who don't know, Tina is, she manages an adult protective services team for the county. And what that means is she's dealing with a lot of elderly people who are getting exploited, but also people who've suffered traumatic brain injuries or have other.

developmental difficulties that are getting exploited or mistreated or abandoned by their family, that sort of thing. And so she sees kind of the worst of people in a lot of ways at times. And the stories that she tells me, she does tell me the story. So it's not like she completely shuts it off at the end of her day. But sometimes the story she tells me, I'm like, God, how can people treat their family like this? even if there's like some some disagreements or maybe estrangement or things like that,

just treating another human being the way they're treating family members is amazing. And kicking them out of their own house and taking and selling their stuff and things like that. But Tina has always been really good about none of that emotion and drama leaves the office. And she comes home. She'll tell me about her day. um you doesn't get teary about it if it's a sad story or doesn't get angry or well sometimes it gets angry that that's the one part of it she maybe brings is if she's angry and she's relaying this story to me about the way somebody treated their elderly grandmother then she'll you know the

anger will come out then but she it's a great discipline that she's just able to say yeah that happened at work i'm not at work anymore i'm not thinking about it meanwhile i'm sitting there of it then you're like, God, how am I going to fix this SEO problem with the spa in Clive, Clive, Iowa. And I've got a show at noon. It helps. It helps that you're not also reeling with the same stuff. Yeah.

It's a little bit of a difference. Yes, for sure. Oh, I've got to watch this dumb movie for film psych. Oh. I'm guessing there's some situation where there are two full-time working cognitive therapy people in a household. that seems almost like untenable. How do you even,

how would you even handle that? Like if Adam was like a full time one of these and you guys, that's all you guys did. One of these. That just seems like disaster to me. But maybe I don't. Maybe this is the part that we're going to learn today is how, how,

you know, part of what you guys do is putting it to the side when it needs to be put to the side or whatever. Yeah. I mean, you have to, you know, Tina wasn't born yesterday and is now able to do this.

nor was I, right? Like there is a learning curve to it for sure. I think some people, it's like, um, more or less easier to figure that out. And then you have folks who like it is, it's just not feasible. Right. Like they're too, they're too sensitive. It's going to be just too traumatic for them. You know, maybe there's a different way to, to be helpers, right? Um, because at the end of the day, Tina is helping people and I am helping people. There's no powerlessness in it. And I think there can be overwhelmed, right? For sure.

There are days where this happened literally the other day. I had multiple suicide situations of just people really on the edge. And there's a lot more work I need to do, like involve family and, you know, make sure they're safe and get people to hospitals and resources. So it's just a lot more work. And it's serious, right? Like, I'm not, I don't get to laugh. And I mean, there's still some laughing. But it's not, it's not like I'm here for the comedy, but it is very much like, dang, here, this is real.

And it's go time and we got to get you safe and that kind of thing. So it's pretty intense. And I afterwards, I walk across the street where a couple of my neighbors are all hanging out. And I was like, I just need to talk to somebody not suicidal. And they all went, well, maybe this isn't a good time. because this person, and they start listing, like, well, my alcoholic stepdad needs to be in rehab, and then the other one's dad was dying. And I was like, it's fine.

This is normal sadness. I just don't want suicide. And that's just the truth. They were like, we were just talking about how everyone's falling apart. And I'm like, well, that's every day in my world a little bit. But when it's outside in the real world, that's hard to. So, you know, sometimes you just need the opposite energy. and now I've learned my neighbors don't bring it.

But it's comedy or it's finding a counterbalance or having a partner who's like, well, I just couldn't get the design right and the user wasn't happy or whatever Adam's stuff is. It's just not... Whatever Adam's doing. Fantastic. Whatever.

I mean, his stuff is really cool. I mean, he makes wound care possible. Like, you go home and he's helped design all the stuff that there's these really cool. they're called wound vax, and it's like this machine you put on a wound that's not healing, and it pulls all the skin up, and it, you know, you heal three weeks faster. It's incredible. And so I know what he's doing matters and his good work and stuff. But, you know, no one is threatening to take their life on the phone with him, right? Like, he doesn't have kind of the

same intensity. So I think it is a balance. He'll kind of talk about a cool thing, and then I'll talk about a hard thing and, you know, it's sort of settling. But I would say this, you know, anyone, like the question is a great one because it's like, well, how do you, how do you get to that? You know, are you trained? Do they talk about it? And I would say there is some basic training around it that can be conceptual. Like you just, you have to actually do the work to build the muscle, if that makes sense. So I felt like my early training was just so intense. I had to learn really quickly. If I wanted to have any life, I had to be able to shut that off. I mean, one of the biggest turnover, sort of in any helping professions, we have, we have a lot of turnover in certain

ones because it is just so difficult. So EMTs will have a high rate of burnout and, you know, they are seeing the really hardest parts of humanity. And they have a mix of this is people's fault and this is absolutely nobody's fault and it's tragic and hard and you're you're you're seeing people at their scared scared us they're most difficult you know you go from these intense situations that are so like life altering attention and and sensation and everything and then you have to go home after that and be normal i don't know how they do it you're walking into maybe a dead body 10 days ago. You know what I mean? Like there is so many levels of things that they may be running into that are kind of incomprehensible for us, most of us who are like, my spread tree is not working.

Yeah. Or whatever, you know. Um, bless, we need you too. Don't worry. But that is higher burnout, right? And the other, like in social work specifically is child protective services. Yeah. So adult protective services doesn't have quite the turnover rate because there is a little less of, um, I mean, I mean, I think it's very similar. It's not easy. So bless Tina and her team. But child protection services can be really, really good. Well, it's like the difference between someone in their 80s passing away and someone who's six years old passing away.

There's just something different when it's kids, you know. And that helplessness and just like the level of cruelty or, you know, difficult situations kids are found in. And it's complex, right? And anyway, so all of that to say is there are way difficult jobs. people do and they have to figure out how to manage. Now we have some really bad ways of managing that and then some just really natural human ways that can end up making our real lives harder. So for example, you know, burning out, you start to just, you can have these experiences where you stop having empathy at all, right? It just has, it's like it shuts down to protect

you. So you struggle to feel certain things in, other context. So emergency room physicians and staff are, it's really common for them to not have a lot of, you know, think of the fight or flight the rest of us have. They don't, it's like that tampons down because they are in emergencies all day. That's literally where they're, you know, being called to calmly work. And so I worked with a few ER physicians at one point and the, the sort of adrenaline junkies that a lot of them turned into so that they could feel. So I remember this, a couple of people I had been working with, and they were all, was when I was in Utah, and they would all go like cliff jumping on the weekends or

they tried those squirrel flying suits. And I'm like, what is happening? Realizing like, oh, they know how emergencies work. And they're taking these huge risks, right? but it's to feel and to have to activate their systems when they have trained in practice to not have them activated for what would activate literally everybody else, right? Right. And does everybody else around them while they're there? 100%.

100%. The ER is full of, and you need to be like almost a nervous system regulator for other people. And so you're being calm, you know, it makes a big difference. But that often means because stuff is maybe shut down. And so having an emotional, healthy life and processing is probably the antidote to that. But a lot of people are busy and do their thing and find that their relationships are where some of that emotional bluntedness causes problems. Right. So in my case, my training was very early on with sex offenders and kids who are victims of sexual abuse.

And that was like that to be by fire. And so, you know, and I learned so many things and had such great mentors who were just really good at sort of walking through what they did and how they kept healthy. And then there were plenty of people I saw who were not healthy. And I was like, oh, that's not the way to do it. So, you know, I'm the youngest kid. I've observed a lot of people older than me doing things. So it felt very natural to just pay attention and go, I want to be like that dude and not that one. or and recognizing, and here is probably the key,

and this is for any helper, is maintaining the awareness and, and finding like the joy in being helpful. Like it works. You can do some good, right? And there's sometimes when people realize, like, I've got to get out of this job or I need to do something differently

because the meanings sort of slips away. Because it's inherently very meaningful, right? to be helping people. But then you can numb out to that and different things. So moving around to different places and positions. So I don't work with those populations anymore, partly because when I started having kids, I was like, oh, there's no way I can do both of these things.

I cannot talk to these kids and then raise kids. I can't do it. And so having boundaries is really big, right? And figuring out what you can and can't do. And I think, you know, Brian, you mentioned with Tina, being able to process a little bit at the end of the day, that was huge. You know, there is, there is, um, spousal privilege with confidentiality where you can just kind of share with your vent.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I am. They also do puppy day, by the way. I just got to tell you.

Oh, there we go. Once a month they bring in puppies to the office. Love it. Absolutely. Just for an hour you play with puppies. It's like a mental, you know, mental health, uh, perk. Yes. The animals in this world are doing.

the heavy work. Yes, they are. Keeping us all going. And that's actually a really great point. I'm glad you brought it up is you have to find in your free time and in your life really living your life, right? And counterbalancing it. Think about it if you, like, lifted heavy boxes all day.

When you got home, you probably shouldn't be lifting more heavy boxes, right? You need a massage and you need to rest and maybe, you know, some way to counteract the strength. train that it was. And so coming home to a peaceful place is ideal, right? And friends and activities and life. So that counterbalancing. But really over time, you just learn what works for you and what doesn't. So one thing I have done for years and years is I have like a threshold idea. So like I crossed the threshold to out of my office into the rest of my house and I'm not, I just am not working. Like I have an office. I go to and there is the hard stuff and then I cross the threshold and I don't have the hard stuff.

You know, sometimes, I mean, I will process with Adam if it's a really tricky situation and he just listens and he has a really good imagination. So he's like, oh my gosh. And then I'm like, you go back to wounds. And he does the physical wounds. I do the psychological wounds. And so it's, it's worked out. I mean, we've been doing it for 27 years now. So it's, I have, we've, We have a pretty good rhythm. But early days is a lot. I mean, he remembers thinking, this is going to destroy her. And that's really scary.

Yeah. I think, you know, this person has to figure this out. And, you know, he was really good at letting me just be horrified a lot and, and manage his own horrifying response. And not trying to manage it for me, letting me, you know, sort of figure out. Process it. Yeah. You guys are going to be awesome in the, in the zombie. Apocalypse. You're going to have

you're going to have wound stuff taken care of. Adam's got that. And Wendy's over here fixing all our psychological problems. It's going to be great. He's going to be like, let's make sure this app works while the zombies are coming to get your wound. Good point. Where's the internet? Where's the

electricity? Where's the internet? Zombie finder app. Yeah. So are you do you feel like like if there's one thing we need in this world, it's people who are helping kids with trauma, right? But that means we're asking people to try to be a professional in a in a case,

in cases where they're just horrified every day by what's happening. And it really can be detrimental to them. Is that, is that world not highly populated by mental health professionals? Like, is it hard to get people to fill those jobs? Like the stuff you were trained on, do you feel like that, that's, I don't know, are we, are we lacking in that because we're asking so much from the healthcare professionals we have to deal with it. Well, that's a great question. There are, what is the country? Oh, someone could look this up for me.

Zimbabwe. There's a country. Not Zimbabwe. I think it's somewhere in Europe has more therapists per person. Per capita or something. I think it's like 220 for every, I don't know what the numbers are. But we're kind of in the middle of the pack. We're not in massive trouble, but we, you know, it's kind of like nursing, staffing shortages or whatever, you know, in any highly burnoutable place, most people are not there because they're going to make all the big bucks.

They tend to be there because they are called to be. They feel it. They're, they naturally are inclined that way. They're interested in psychology and people and, you know, they have their own, you know, sense of being there. I think when they are reimbursed by insurance like they should be or, you know, treated well, paid well, given proper training, taught how to manage their stress, you know, we could keep a lot of people happier. But I mean, I'm describing the opposite of like the corporatization of the helping model. Yeah. It's it's that, so that's a frustrating piece. Like, I sound hilarious like TikTok the other day where was this therapist like just out of the shower with her head and the thing. which is always funny.

Anyway, and she just said, imagine you get hired for a job. And they say, we can't tell you how much you're going to make. We'll see. And when you do the work, then you have to fill out 45 pieces of paper, send it to us. And maybe a few months later, we'll tell you how much we think that was worth. Like, it's crazy.

The math of, like, the exchange of goods for services that happen with health insurance and clinical work. So it is daunting and even with the best insurances, people are, it's tricky. So could we talk about the whole system as functioning really well? Probably not. But are there all people, always people born every year that have some of these natural abilities and a natural desire? Yeah, absolutely.

Like, you know, this summer, Elliot was a lifeguard. And it was so fun because I knew a couple other kids prior to this. And I thought, man, if I had a guess, I would have. assumed you'd be a lifeguard. Like there's just like a class of young kids who are like, yeah, I'm going to risk my life for you. And that's just an impressive, like, interesting little human thing we have gone on. And then there are other people, they cannot do that. It's not going to work. We don't even need them to try. But we do need some, you know. Sometimes those guys get those jobs anyway. I'll be at a pool and I can tell. Like, they'll be like a vigilant kid in one of those tall stand

things and I'm like yeah dude if I bonk my head he's got me he's got me covered and I'll see another kid and I'll go he's staring at the bikini girl he doesn't really want to be here he keeps looking at his phone like there's always like I like it when I see the vigilant kid is all I'm saying I like that and they

do exist they do exist and we need them right Fred Rogers was not wrong we got to look for the helpers and they're all we are there's always helpers it happens it happens it happens everywhere. You just kind of want to be where there is at least one. But you mentioned earlier just like kids being traumatized and needing help, right? The training, the work to get there. I mean, there's a lot of steps that go to it because it is a really,

you have to be really trained and careful and good at that because we can do more harm, right? And all helping professions, there's an ability to do real harm because the people are vulnerable, right? And so Tina's whole deal is seeing the vulnerability in adults and helping them. And the same goes with the kid version of that because people in their distress are at their most vulnerable. So I never think of myself as very powerful. It's not like, oh, I got the power. But every once in a while I'm like, oh, I could really harm this person because they're, you know, I wouldn't. Right, of course.

And even with ignorance, you could harm someone. But it's also like a fear like, ooh. If I say the wrong thing, I could really harm this person. Right. Right. And so there's the double-edged sword. Right. And going back to, I'm just going to do a little plug for one of the best things this country's ever done is the phone number 988.

And that is the suicide hotline. Yeah. And it is finally funded exists. I mean, I think maybe it's been doged. I don't know. But I think it's still working. Oh, God. Let's hope not.

I hope so. I know. 988. It says it still exists. this. I just looked it up. It does. But it's, it is, it really has been needed for a long time. And it is this just incredible resource. The, the volunteers on the other end are so trained. Um, and essentially you call if you are having suicidal thoughts. If you have a suicidal plan, if you have nowhere to turn, no one left to talk to, you can call at any stage. I can call it and say, hey, I got a client.

This is what's happening. Can you give me some advice? It is, it is a, it is a, staffed with incredibly wonderful people who are well trained to handle and get you resources and get interesting so if i just knew some if i had a friend or something and i felt like they were talking in that zone i could get info yeah oh for sure oh like you see that before um movies and tv shows well tv shows now where this episode depicts suicide if somebody you know is dealing with a sort of thing that's true yeah i i always those always come up and i go my brain for a hot second's like that's interesting and then I forget about it. Yeah.

But yeah, I guess that is always meant for if you, you or someone you know, like, so yeah, of course I could call it. I don't know why I didn't think of that. And so to really, and so you're not alone in that fear you're talking about, which is I don't want to do the wrong thing. I don't want to say the wrong thing. Yeah. And we all have, whether we've had a suicidal thought ourselves or not,

we all worry, we're going to say something to someone and make them suicidal. I don't know what it is about being a human that we think we can convince or it'll be our fault or somehow we'll bring it up and say, do you feel suicidal? And they'll be like, oh, well, I haven't thought of that. But now that I have, thanks for the idea. I mean, that's not how it works, but we act, especially if you're not used to talking about these things. It's not comfortable.

You're scared. You want this person to be okay. And so sometimes people say nothing. And actually, the thing that saves lives is just asking. And so if you are afraid to ask, call 988, talk to someone there about. it and they can give you some advice. And similarly, if you are struggling, they are an incredible resource. They can help you, you know, and sometimes these things come and they get strong and just talking about it is the relief that you need and then they can guide you. And it's anonymous.

You don't have to give them your name. You can just work through this and they can, they can obviously give you more resources. Anyway, so it's a fantastic tool. And I think that's probably the one thing I deal with these days that is probably still the hardest on me. I mean, I work with trauma all the time, but it's adults. Adults are much easier than kids in my book. And I may, once my kids are all of the house, I might think, okay, I have energy for kids stuff again, and I may do it again. But it's a training that happens earlier. He said something in the email when he'd say, let's see, oh, how do you separate yourself from the emotional trauma? So part of the training is, you know, when you talk to you have a random person and say,

what do you think my job is? They would say, oh, you're just listening to people complain. It's just so fascinating to me. Because I'm like, is that what you would do if you want? You would just complain? Because you're kind of telling on yourself in a weird way. And or you don't maybe have anything other than complaining to deal with, right? And then I always just like, well, good for you then.

Like, that's great. You got nothing else going on. But no, that is not what happens. And really, the training is I have tools I can help this person with. I also know, and this is something for friends, family, loved ones, you are helping by just being present. That is 90% of my job is to be present, to care about the other person. I don't fix it. I don't tell them what to do.

And nor should you. most of us get in the trap of trying to tell someone what to do or give them advice. You know, the few times I will do it, my clients never take my advice. Sometimes I'm like, guys, that was pretty good. But what I do do is get them to think a little differently or have them try out something new or have them explain to me. And I ask questions that get them deeper and then the light bulb goes on, right? That's how somebody learns and gains. And that is true for all of our interactions with other humans.

It's actually a lot going on for them and how we respond determines if we're traumatized or not. I am not taking on anyone's trauma. I can be really sad for someone. I have a client who has a sister who's really young dying of cancer right now. It is we are crying together. But that is different than I'm now traumatized and I can't function. So if you're taking those emotions on, you probably. need some help with that. There's techniques and ways to not do that. And having your own therapist

can be really helpful and having, you know, a group of other therapists that you meet with. A lot of times therapists will meet in groups and help each other process and practice boundaries. Because we're humans, right? And so we're not always good at this. And, you know, it is a skill that grows with time without burning out and shutting down as a human. That is the sweet spot is trying to figure out and you need some serious vacations where you help no one. That's the other one. Yeah. Right. Well, I think this is fascinating. You never really, I've never like just you and I, brother, sister time. I don't think we've ever talked about like this side of your job. Like what what it takes to do that stuff. So I find it super fascinating. I have to think our listeners do too. And

Omega 9, I hope it answers your question. And we can tie it to last time, you know, you would burn me with a cold soldering iron and play typewriter. I have a high threshold. Yeah. I do. And so I don't think most people have ever worried about me. I've helped. See, I helped Wendy be a far better.

I'm sure that's how that went. Just the right amount of abuse. Exactly how it works. You've chased somebody around with a cold soldering iron. you make the next generation of mental health possible. Well, that's awesome. It was really good insight, and it's kind of refreshing today to do something

that's a little slightly different than we usually do. For sure. That was cool. Wendy, I know. Go to Randyland. Also, No Better You.com is a place to go. Get signed up for future stuff. You get something coming up soon.

What's going on over there? The class starts on the 13th of September. You can sign up until midnight, the night before. Yeah, go to the website. I'm sending a few more emails out, and then I'll stop bugging everybody. Yeah, we have quite a few people already started.

We have scholarships left. Just reach out. Begins on the 13th, the second day of BlizzCon, everybody. Sign up today unless you're going to Bliscon. And you'll be done with Bliscon by the after the first class. It'll be fine. Also, guess what's less expensive than Bliscom? Right.

Yes, exactly. Guess what's less expensive than therapy, this class. Just trust me. This is, you're getting, you're getting freaking 25 years for one, the cost of one session. This is proactive therapy avoidance is what you're providing. It is. And what's fun is, I have a friend who's going to do the class and she's a family physician. And she's like, I just need to know how to help my patients feel a little better.

And I'm like, girl, this is the class. Anyway, so it'll be a lot of fun. Also, I want to say a quick thank you to anyone who has donated to NOR's, campaign to get out of Gaza and go to school in Italy, go to medical school in Italy. I was talking to the person who's running it and she just broke into tears. It was only her and a friend who had donated before all of you jumped in. And she was like, I can't believe how much hope I have. So they're very, very, very, very grateful.

If you can still do that, if you haven't done it yet, that would be very kind. Even a dollar, you guys, for real. Tiny.c.c. slash help noir. It's N-O-U-R. Go there now and if you can help out. That would be awesome. It's a really good cause. Wendy, have a fantastic week. We'll see you next time. Bye now. Bye. Bye. Bye. All right. We have finished what we started. Yes. Tomorrow will be a TMS Friday. All right.

Everybody, it's the fourth. So there's no teenth. So there's no Monica, but we'll have plenty to do. that's right we'll have a there's a you should I think have one for me oh is it a quiz for you this week cool I think so I'll double check and make sure I've got it yeah I can make sure I can look in my folder and see if I've got something yeah I get confused he was a yeah he was a yeah he was a yeah he was saying I've got really excited about the one I've got for you this time around I'm like oh cool all right excellent that dude's always excited about what he's got he is always excited yeah be like Jamie be always excited yes check out his Patreon while you're you know, while we're talking about it. Yeah, TMS smashups still is the name, I believe. That's right. Oh, I've got an alternate titles game for us for FilmSack on Sunday, too.

Ooh, I like those. I hate hearing my voice from 2016. So alternate titles for this movie include. Hey, guys. My balls haven't dropped yet. Anyway, here's the question. That's right. Exactly. Also, Coverville today.

We'll do a raid right after the show. So watch for that. You should be dancing, as the BGs famously said. Yeah. Get your Barry Gibb. Bon and his brothers. And then Cor, after that. I don't get how they did that.

To this day, I just don't get the vocal range, but whatever. Then core at noon, lots to talk about. There was a Sony state of play today. We'll break that down. Oh, cool. Talk about all that. We're getting close to Wolverine release. Yeah, real close.

We're, what, a week and a half? Yeah, like what, the 18th? I think that's right. Something close to that. I don't know which of the three of us will get it. I don't know. We're all a little mad at Sony right now, so I don't know. I don't know who's going to get it.

But whatever, expect some coverage of that and more on core starting today at noon. And then TMS Friday, as I mentioned. Then the instance on Friday will be doing something to two. Then Filmsack this weekend. Good Lord. So much stuff. You know, Scott takes a vacation. But we're back with a.

We're back with a vengeance. Do you know what the... What's our movie? I forgot. Oh, it is called Absolutely Anything. That's right. It is recommended by a film sack fan, film sack listener. I watched it last night.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's one of these... God, I mean, on paper, there's so much potential for this thing. But it is that zany wackiness that made me almost walk out of the Beverly Hillbillies. Oh, no. And I don't want to say more than that because I don't want to taint your, I don't want to taint your opinion of it. But there was, it was the couple points during the thing. I'm like, I was going to message the film set group and say, maybe we need, maybe we need to keep looking.

Yeah. That happens sometimes, you know? Yeah. So. Interesting. Well, I don't feel tainted, but I do, I do feel my taint. Oh, good. You're feeling it right now.

Yeah, right the second. Right hand. Right hand, taint check. Everybody do a taint check. It's good for you. All right, that is it for the show. Frogpants.com slash TMS is our website. If you're looking for anything, you'll find it there.

Let's get out of here with some music if you don't mind. Yeah. This is going out to Lydia and John, who say, we are hitting the road again. This time it's from the Catskills back to Arizona. On September 5th, we will reach our 40th anniversary. So help us celebrate any day along the way. We'll be fine.

They're awesome, by the way. I love them. They are the sweetest people. When they came to Nerdtacular, they told me that when they went to Moab, or maybe it was after, but they went to Moab, and he got about halfway into the hike to Delicate Arch.

Yeah. And it was like 105, and he went. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think I'm doing this. I'm going back. And I don't blame him.

No. Nasty. Heck no. They're awesome. Just traveling around as a couple. I know. And that's the way you do it, right?

You go from the Catskills to the Arizona. I mean, it is the, You know, if it ain't Arizona, it's Florida. But you do that, that, uh, they're, they're an absolute sweetheart. So congrats on their 40th. That's amazing. Hoping to get to see them when we go to Prescott next, next month.

But, um, oh, there's some drama going on with, uh, with that. Oh, family, how we get into it. Family drama. Family drama. Yes. My favorite. It was all good up until one person who was not planning on coming, all of a sudden decided that they were coming.

And it's like, oh, way. yeah i know this feeling yes i'm sure you do i'm sure you do all right anyway uh so i originally was thinking all right well they said pick any song whatever song you want i was going to do go west by uh the village people of course pet shop boys have a great cover of that song i decided to go a little bit different direction slightly um with a song called uh gates of the west this was originally done by the clash a great song by the way did i put it in the folder? I'm just looking right now. Yeah, I did. Okay. Yeah, I see it in there.

This is, yes, I'm looking at it right now. This is such a great song. And the Clash put it on there, they included on their box set, Clash on Broadway and in the supermarket, or super black market clash in 1993. It's a great song. It's been covered a couple

times, most notably by Jesse Malin. But I like this version right here by Adam Masterson. This was included on a CD that was taped to the front of an uncut magazine and you gotta love these these are great this is a this is a great example of it here's adam masterson as lydia and john make their way towards the gates of the west lucky one on chill avenue who could keep your hot one when ice or turn to blue but with the begging sleeping losers as it turning for the night i'm hitting back the home and i can see those lines i should be

Jump and shouting that I made it all this way From Camden Town Station to 45 for the Why not many make it this far Many say you're great, but just like them You walk on, you can escape your fate All can't inside East side, Jimiomian's half-sides to But Satan needed something new

The gates of the west They've been Cast a shot That's a share And he's telling the waitress It's outside to both say That's a chef Find all our shows at frogpants.com

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