The Morning Stream - TMS EXTRA: Let's talk about Deadpool & Wolverine!

Episode Date: August 18, 2024

WARNING, this is chock full off spoilers around the movie. :) Also joining us, Brian D. and Randy from Film Sack! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hi, everybody and welcome to a special one-off TMS that you're going to want to shut off right now if you don't want any Wolverine and Deadpool spoilers. I guess it's the other way around. Deadpool and Wolverine spoilers. So this is going to be fully spoiled. Very spoiled. Fully, fully spoiled. We will leave no holding back. We will leave no secret. It's been out for three weeks. It's three weeks. Three weeks is plenty of time. Also, people have the option to shut off because we just told you what this is. And if you're wondering why there's this weird extra file in your TMS feed, your public feed, your public feed, today it's because there was a lot of out of townage happening earlier in the week and me and Brian wanted to provide you know a little little something to say to say we missed you and we've decided to invite the film sack guys with us so we're all here together our film sec buddies who you hear on TMS anyway every week why not invite him to this too I mean geez yeah they're all you know they're big a part of it as anybody so we're gonna merge all the podcast oh shit I wasn't crossing the streams all four streams are getting crossed right now so you say we're three is it really been three weeks that feels like we just saw that the movie came out yeah oh my gosh okay time flies um

it's been three weeks since i had covid crazy that's right you had covid had to cancel your tickets opening night had tickets center of the theater that i bought the minute they were released and uh and that morning i tested positive and it's like well i guess i've got to cancel a marvel movie that's a i remember at the time going i'm going to see this in a theater and brian can't that made no sense to me exactly the world had turned upside down um well anyway we've all seen it since and uh i think we're all in pretty decent agreement that that it's pretty great i mean i really oh yeah it's especially yeah fan service unlike brian cox we loved it yeah oh wait brian cox didn't like which brian cox the the scientist or the the actor yes the scientist

no the actor who is this recently uh came out and said oh it's not good at the movies. It's going to make a lot of money in his party time, but it's not good. Is he just, he's, he's not a fan of what, like, superhero stuff and all that? It feels cheap, I think. I think that I think if you read between the lines, I think he's saying that there's not a lot of substance there. It's just part of time. Well, I'm going to agree with him in some cases, but not in this movie, because this movie knows it's being cheap. It knows. It's a summer movie, man we always we always get fun summer movies yeah but it doesn't mean that we've stopped making other deep movies it's also Deadpool deadpool knows what it's doing deadpool knows that it's fourth wall

breaking and it knows that it's goofing around and it knows this stuff is ridiculous it knows it unlike some movies where we're like oh they did bring so-and-so over to crud you know like they're trying to do it earnestly this movie's like no i mean i'm even looking at the camera and making fun of you while i do it like it's just different and i think uh a lot of credit needs to go to Sean Levy. Like everybody loves to talk about our two main actors. They're great. All the side actors.

They're also great. But this guy, Sean Levy, this free guy, he is like, he is like had a career building up to this moment. Like if you look at what he's done, it's like this is all leading to this, this amazing collection of fan service. Like you say, like that's awesome. Yeah, he's great. And they've been working. Go ahead. Did we see this coming all the way back in Real Steel?

Did we watch on film sacked? Did we do Real Still here? I see. Yeah, we did. Yes, we sacked Real Steel. And I feel like there are some connections. But really, this movie, for some reason, has more connections with Night at the museum for me. And I don't mean like obvious references.

I just mean like the pacing and the tone and the fun of it, you know? Sure. I didn't know that he directed. directed real steel. So there I go. Jackman was in that. Yeah. Jackman.

And Ryan Reynolds was in free guy. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Sean Lovie looks like if you merged the Joker with oh my gosh, who's the other guy? Alan Cumming. If you.

Okay. Dressed up Alan Cumming as the Joker. It's kind of like Sean Levy, at least his Wikipedia photo. which I'll paste in your nice um I didn't realize he's done he's done a lot of stuff I didn't know he's done he did the night of the museum stuff I didn't know that yeah

yes yes as the red light on air yeah have you look at you say that shit I missed it I'm too busy looking up his stuff with uh John Cleese uh Kevin Klein and no not Kevin Klein who was Steve Martin Steve Martin yeah you were but you were close in the you name that Kevin well Kevin Klein is his his boss right the commissioner right and then cleese was something yeah right I just could not remember who actually played freaking Clousseau yeah pretty good I didn't know he did

birds of prey there's a bunch of stuff I didn't know he did so all right I don't give Sean and levy enough credit credit guy obviously knows this stuff and I you know the but there was some falling out with the previous Deadpool directors or something or guy or some some him and you keep hearing about these things him Ryan Reynolds and directors kind of bonking heads. Well, and not to mention T.J. Moore or T.J. Miller? Miller. Sure, sure.

Yeah. Everybody had a falling out with that guy. Yeah. Yeah. The world had a falling out with T.J. Miller. Yes, as needed. But all we need to do is add Hugh Jackman and you have fun. So much fun. You do have fun. So let's get to the spoilery parts. So the stuff that

nobody's, everyone's afraid to talk about out online or was at the time. I don't know. And maybe now nobody cares. But there's a lot a lot of fan service-y Easter eggs. Love it. Yeah. Like you got everything from Wesley Snipes playing Blade again.

You got what's her name? You got what's in your wallet back is Electra. Electra. I can't think of her name. Oh, Jennifer Garner. That is. The shame.

The variations of Deadpool are where I find the most wild moment. you know Matthew McConaughey is one of those dudes yeah a cowboy pool yeah right

Blake lively as your lady deadpool which I didn't realize lady pool until lady pool until afterwards yeah some of those were from the comics some of them are not

like the little flying head with the beanie is from the comics I think handsome pool is also from the comics the flying head was what's his name from Flyerfly I think of his name

Captain Malcolm Ronald Phelian. Ethan Phelian was flying. No, I didn't know that. That's great. Yeah. Yeah, that was pretty cool.

Just the voice, yeah. I don't think they mo-capped him as far as I know. World's ugliest dog is in this movie. Like everything. Oh, he's so cute. No, he's not. Dude, letting that dog lick inside your mouth is the grossest thing in that movie. It's disgusting.

And that because that tongue never really stays inside the dog's mouth and it's collecting everything on the outside and then putting it in your mouth. It's not even like, you know, the fleet of place is inside a dog's mouth. And that tongue never spends. any time inside that and I know there are like dozens and dozens of women at home listening to this maybe there's dozens of brian sitting right here's ear to ear grin when that dog comes on the screen we're talking about no i'm not talking about that dog i'm talking about they're putting them putting your tongue in ryan reynolds mouth i get it yeah that too there's tons of i love right

here i love how you attached yourself to that wagon before i finished because you were like uh yeah no you gotta be fast it's pretty gross like there's that movie is gross by design But that scene is the grossest thing in the movie, in my opinion. That's what gross scut out the most. Yeah, everything else is just blood and stuff. Who cares? But that was like, oh, my gosh. The best fan service to me was the stuff, even though it's not necessarily specific, it is the cool-ass stuff that you go, I've been waiting for y'all to do some cool-ass stuff.

And you guys fighting in a closed environment in that car, stabbing each other just over and over again relentlessly. I was just hoping you were going to. to say is the uh the collection like the the cavalcade of wolverines and the other universes that are like oh my god there's the wolverine age of apocalypse wolverine and old man logan and um the cover of the marvel issue where the x-man issue where he's strapped to that big x above all the skulls and stuff yeah that i really wish i had been alone when i would have been i wish i'd have been alone when all that stuff happened though because i was with people who were not of of the comic reading variety And so I was like just dying inside to go, that's this reference right here.

And that's this reference. And I was like, shut up. Good. Because you're in a theater and other people are enjoying the film around you. I know. And talking, even if there were people who knew what you were talking about, you would have had to save that until the end credits and talk to them then. Yeah, not allowed. If I knew them, I could just look over at them and just open a mouth that go.

A knowing not. Yeah. Yeah. The one that they did that got me because they really truly got me. S. Evan shows up. I went, oh, all right. Alternate. And you know how they fooled us? For years, they've been saying, there's rumors he might come back as Captain America. I swear they planted that for this. So that when I saw it, I went, oh, of course, he'll be Captain America. And he's in this. Old Man Rogers. Yeah, it's going to happen. And then he's not. He's freaking

Johnny Storm. It was amazing that they did that. Yeah. They've been, they've been kind of moving that way to the film telling you, oh, we're saying, you know, we're saying goodbye to a lot of, uh, characters from the fox side and yeah i should have been able to guess it had no clue i didn't there's a question so like we're we're really getting into the weeds on all of the weird little appearances and stuff and i'm wondering i'm wondering weeds too i get a lot of weeds i know i know i know but when a movie feels like it packs in more than you can take in therefore it demands to be seen a second time do you do you have like a sliding scale on that where it can go too far and you get a little offended

because it requires that you watch it again. Oh, interesting. Yeah, if a movie is not very good, then I totally would agree that that is a horrible thing to do, right? So now it's like, oh, my gosh, I want to see all these Easter eggs again, but I don't want to sit through this whole film again. With this one, it's going to be a pleasure.

I can't wait to watch it again and look at, because you've got all the, you know, we talked about Gambit and, or I didn't talk about Gamble, we talked about Elektra and Blade, but we get Gambit in here, We get X-23 coming back from Logan, which is so great. I want her to be, you know, there's been this tease of this Young Avengers, you know, that Ms. Marvel and Hawkeye, you know, Hawkeye's daughter, Kate Bishop. Yeah, that would be great.

She'd be amazing. That would be, she would be fantastic for that. But then you've also got, you know, the red Nightcrawler's dad, Azazel. Yeah, that was cool. In there, you've got, we get Sabretooth, we get Juggernaut, not the same one. Yeah, but that OG Sabretooth from the Fox one, I couldn't believe they used him because he's, he's one of the weakest things about those first X-Men movies. For sure. That's why they, I love it.

I love it. It's a short order, and that was great. It's like this big buildup, oh, it's going to be a big, oh, no. Nope, that guy. That was great. like they really did see it's the thing is you don't really realize it while you're watching it but later you realize this was a love letter to the fox stuff that nobody gives much love to and it deserves more than we give it right like it deserves more and one piece of it not in the montage during the credits which was which i did tear up during because it was so great not uh not during any of the characters there is one piece of fox um x-men stuff completely untouched by this and unrecognized and it is the underappreciated new mutants

film from 2021 I guess it would be what do you think that was why do you think they skip past that I don't know I maybe because none of people sought and they people would look at this and have no idea probably couldn't get on you Taylor Joy to come back as as magic yeah I wonder about that I mean they got

if you can get Curtis small as bullseye from the dare devil movies was it Ray Park was Toad Ray Park in this do we know no it was Daniel Medina Ramos you got Silak that wasn't Dead Eye McGee what's her name

yeah I wish it could have showed us I wish it would have showed us toad because they they kept like flying past him and I was like yeah it's like just let me see let me see for a second I see if he's not go too fast Isha Hussein

Isha Hussein is Silak oh it's just Silak okay as opposed to Olivia Munn who was her Olivia was not Olivia in my. Yeah. Oh, right. Lady Deathstry, Callisto. Jane Laugh.

Thank you. Callisto, Chloe Kibble. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But that, I mean, I've never seen a movie throw so much at us and get away with it. Yeah, well, that's the thing. Like, you can't help but compare this to the Flash. You have to compare it to the Flash.

Yeah, the recent one with the multiverse. Right. And how is this so much better? How? Oh, gosh. It's just like in every. It's a possible way. It's so much better.

It's so much better. I think it's direction. It's writing. It's also Deadpool's innate ability to just, we know it's ridiculous. He looks at the camera and says things. When freaking Blade says, I'm the only blade, it'll only ever be one blade. And then Ryan Reynolds looks at the camera for a very long time during an action scene. And it's even like, it feels like it's not just a, yeah, there's a blade movie coming.

out reference, but it's also like, well, who knows if that Blade movie is ever going to come out reference? Like, it's such a multi-layered look he gives the camera like, yeah, Blade movie coming, but maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe never. Maybe they even bring out. They do an old man

snipes thing first. Like, who knows at this point what they're going to do. And we've talked about a lot of these nods and fan service and stuff, but the thing this movie is able to do is to deliver that and still be a good movie or enjoy. movie to someone who's never seen it.

I've seen it twice. I don't know how many of you guys have seen it twice, but I saw it my second time with non-marvel comic reading people, and they absolutely enjoyed it. They just loved, you know, how it paste, the humor, and they got all of it. Did you enjoy, and for yourself, you enjoyed it as much or more than the second time? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, because I got, I caught a couple of things. Not many, but I caught a couple of things I didn't catch the first time.

They don't hide it too much. Most of this stuff is right there on the screen looking at you. Yeah, that's true, right? That's the whole, yeah, the whole thing is just like, look at us. We're right here in your face. I love the age we're in where if you make the effort to go see a movie at the theater and you come away going, I can't wait to see that again. You just wait about six weeks. And it's going to be online, you know? Yeah, that's a good point. I, yeah, I just, I found so little not to enjoy. And when I was reading some of the reviews and hearing people get cynical about, you know, I don't, I don't know. know, maybe it, maybe, maybe Deadpool is meant to be not too much too soon. Do you know what I'm saying? Like the schick is a kind of a schick. And when it's happening, it's really in your face.

If there was a Deadpool every, Deadpool movie every other year, I think maybe that would be a problem. Like it would just wear a little thin. But because of how these have been spaced out and the way that these movies have been made, I, I find them to be bright point. Well, certainly when they were Fox, I found them to be very bright. points compared to everything else. But in this one, I mean, this is the best MCU movie I've seen since endgame for me. Like I don't think I've seen anything I've liked more since end game. Shang Chi probably comes pretty close for me. I really enjoyed Shang Chi and the End Guardians of the Galaxy 3. But but yeah, thinking about it's like, you know, I still I still put those end game and

Infinity War above everything else in the MCU. And it's hard not to to raise this up to pretty close to that level as well yeah it's it's very good yeah in the next time i watch this movie i'm gonna first watch logan i don't know what i think it's oh you've seen logan yeah i have i'm saying i'm going to watch logan and then this oh and then lean it's because it's that it's his consecutive performances and they're very different and it's all you know it's a lot of there's a lot of performances by hugh jackman in this movie but like i just like the idea of because logan is so deep and so hard hitting and it's like in the end you're just like exhausted and i just like the idea of going from one to the other yeah i think that's a great idea um yeah i now that you say it

oh whatever like if i when i see we just saw romulus and we're not going to talk about that movie but if i see it again soon or when as soon as it hit streaming or whatever i'm in the mood to like chronolo do a chronological doing yeah yeah i'll go watch and yeah i think that would just be that's what I started doing, yeah, I watched Prometheus. In preparation for Romulus, I watch Prometheus, and God, why can I never remember the second one? Oh, Stowway. Covenant? Covenant? Thank you. Yeah. Stoweway, Alien Stowway. I also didn't realize, and this is, you know, as an alien thing, doesn't belong here, but there were a whole bunch of short films released maybe three years ago, two or three years ago, like alien or, and alien hideaway or something like that.

There were all little individual director pieces that are all really good, really well made. But I'm surprised. It's a world I can't. I didn't know that. It's a world I can't get enough of the alien franchise. But speaking of worlds and stuff, so are you guys all, you guys all watch Loki, right? You're all called up on the time variance of third. party and all that stuff because I was curious how

that was going to affect people because I didn't realize it was going to be such a large part of this film. Yeah. Yeah. And it's such an easy, I mean, Marvel has written themselves the perfect key to unlock any door that they want with a multiverse. Almost to the point where, you know, where Deadpool himself has to look at camera and say,

I think we've done too much with the multiverse or can we wrap this multiverse thing up. But, I especially love seeing Succession guy, McFaden. Yeah. in there as well. But no, hopefully Marvel, you know, if they do trim the sacred timeline or trim everything down to the sacred timeline, hopefully they still keep the TVA because, again, it's such

an easy way to say, hey, if we want to do an age of apocalypse thing, we totally can. If we want to do, uh, um, that's like your doorway to that stuff. Sure. Yeah, exactly. And they don't, they don't need, uh, Dr. Strange opening up different little doors or anything like that. They can just do the TVA business and that's how they can kind of leak it in. It's almost their what-if, really.

Oh, yeah. Good point. They can leak into Marvel zombies from the TVA. They can leak into... I'd probably give audience as a better anchor point to understand when something's going to be one thing or the other and not all this confusion all the time about where we are and what universe we're in and all that.

I think that's actually a great idea. The 1602 stuff, I think, would be such a great thing to translate. Oh, I love that comics so much, dude. Yeah. Oh, I would love that. Yeah, that's a great way to think of that. Also, just, you know, time. tying things together without limiting

what you want to do creatively is a smart thing. So, you know, I think Kevin Fagigi, Geigee knows what he's doing. Fagigi. He knows what he knows what. He knows what. He's got the pulse. Will he be able to keep it going? That's the question. That's the question, Brian. You never know. Oh, yeah, did just download me. They didn't do any, they didn't touch. Thank goodness. On anything with the Fantastic Four reboot with

Michael B. Jordan and angry blogger Dr. Doom and like a little sly reference to it. The only thing we got from that is some footage in the montage and that's it. Right, that's right, yeah.

Get them standing around talking and doing stuff but they never yeah, the skin deep here. What was it? What was his? Not skinned. Yeah. The plastic surgery show.

Right. Dipok. Napuck. That guy did there was a brief shot I'm standing around, but, but yeah, I, I, you know, whatever. It's such hit and miss with that Fox stuff. And I, you know, it's easy to forget how much credit you should give the original, uh, X-Men and X-Men 2 for that matter. But, but X-Men 1 in particular, comic book movies get the, that's really the start.

Like, we all want to say, oh, it's Iron Man. I don't know, man. I feel like that X-Men movie established a new, a new way of, didn't they, everybody's claiming blade was the, no, that's true to. Blade did it too, yeah, because prior to that, we had really crappy, I mean, we had the Incredible Hulk TV show, but then that spawned a made-for-TV movie with four as a lawyer or, it was just horrible. It kept in America with a motorcycle. Yeah, it was really bad.

Nobody knew what to do. But the thing with Blade, it was an easier sell because it was basically a horror movie and didn't have any cape or cow kind of crap, whereas X-Men was like, we're going to take these mutants. It's going to be a big deal. this is like mainstream comics and the fact that they pulled that off in 2000 2001 whatever it was pretty great i love probably my favorite uh fan service was the the costuming getting to see to see that and finally you know it's like because that was one of the things it was a real big issue during the when first x-men come out it's like well how are they going to costume these guys what era are they

going to costume them from and we got end up getting that generic you need ice man to come put your fire out or whatever's going on there you know robin's done better pull that thing out of the mic right for your styrofilm melts. Nevertheless, my point was. Back to your point. Yeah, no, kudos to pulling off a Wolverine costume in yellow. And even the cow like the cow, bad. Don't think that ever would look good, done for real, and it looked just fine.

It's Hugh Jackman. Hugh Jackman can pull off literally anything. Which is crazy because, you know, he's at the age where you don't do these things anymore, which he is full on says. I wasn't going to do this because I'm just old now. I don't want to do this anymore. But there's that. But also, just the fact that you can make that cowl and that costume work at all is proof that we were too scared all the time.

You could have done it then. It would have been fine. It helps having a hype man, Deadpool, Ryan Reynolds, standing there next to you, hyping it up to. Yeah. He's like, look, if I can buy and sell a vodka and a mobile company, you can be Wolverine. you can come back and be Wolverine you know oh you know who else can pull off anything as Wolverine uh Henry Cavill Henry Cavill

Henry Cavill can tell off anything that was great dude did you hear did you hear the side story that he got like super barfey sick after that because the scenes they had to reshoot a bunch and his scene he's really huffing and puffing on that cigar yeah yeah and he's not he's not a cigar smoker so it got real bad at the point where he just started hurling offset that's okay just makes his abs all the more tight

That's what I say. Yeah. But he really pulled that off to the point where I went, ooh, hold on now. Yeah, we really want it. I know. It's like, I know this is a joke. Make it happen. I know Gambit is a joke in this too.

Yeah. Make it happen. Yeah, you know what? Put those two together. Great. Make your Wolverine Gambit movie. Oh, Wolverine Gambit, sure. Yeah.

And Wolverine with Henry Cavill fits. And I would not balk at it. I would actually embrace it. Make him the MCU guy. I mean, I guess they can't. Well, again, alternate universe, whatever. But they got to, whatever they're going to do, there's a future Wolverine and it can't be,

it can't be him forever. Even though the joke is. Yeah, even though it's 20 years, for 20 years you're going to be, or whatever he's in. But, yeah, like, it's time to see what they do there and hurry up because Henry Cavill's not going to be young forever either. So, you know, let him, what was the joke about how they screwed you up the street

referring to D.C. or whatever was. those guys at the street really effed here whatever it was love that yeah not afraid to uh to hit where it hurts yep and make fun of marvel at the same time make fun of dc and it's just great what a great movie the thing is though i don't you know i think you can have a good time at this thing unless you're super prudy about language and stuff like that and violence um then you probably won't like this movie oh they they i mean this is such a if you go back and i did i just Went back after I watched this and sampled some of the just the standard Deadpool movies. And this is so much more brightly lit.

It's a lot less dark. Even though the humor feels similar and it's still Ryan Reynolds, man, it, it, it just falls heavier. So much heavier in those films than it does here. Interesting. And we found out, go ahead. I was just going to ask God, have you got a chance to watch Deadpool 2 yet? No, I still haven't seen Deadpool 2, which seems weird, I know. but yeah what do you I just haven't seen it I don't it's not because I've not wanted to in fact I was after this I was like I'm going back right now I'm just going to do this a couple of characters you need you need the origin of Peter was one of the best parts I mean and I didn't even get mad even though you should totally be mad that you were robbed from some kind of real you know answer to a couple of plot points that Peter just walks up you can resolves I know just he just plot holes it up right you should be mad I'm not I love you know I love it

plugs it right up. I like that guy a lot. So, Rob Delaney. He worked for me regardless. With and without a beard. He's always good. Yeah.

Yeah. That guy was great. Randy, sorry. You were going to take us home. My final thought of this thing is like, we actually get to see that in the future, Deadpool's going to die and Thor is going to cry.

That's awesome. Yeah, that was great. Like I don't know if that was actually Hemsworth doing a scene or if they digitally put his face in there i don't know i can't tell it was that's from uh yeah from for dark world oh is it yeah he's looking he's basically doing that over loki uh yeah the supposed of loki and uh oh that's right okay that makes sense that they did that um but i i did like that even the smallest of cameos looked like they were just having a ball and i think this is

like such great redemption for characters like or actors and characters like um Electra and that kind of thing and I don't know it just gives it just gives people's good work even in questionable projects

some validity and did it in a really funny way and I don't know I just admire everything about this movie I thought it was awesome yeah so go out and see it

everybody if you haven't yet and if you haven't why are you listening to us why are you listening to this or wait a week and see it on video on Disney Plus yeah I'd get out of here right now

and go go watch but do we know when that's coming home it's probably sooner than used to be six weeks six weeks i don't know it's first billion dollar first billion dollar worldwide i think of the year right or maybe the quickest yeah or something yeah wow because dune too doing good well think dune take that brian cox it was dune we believe we believe late october for disney plus what if they'd have brought brian cox back as uh striker maybe that's why that's that's what people were giving him shit about they're like you're in a month yeah did he is he piss well why he's he so pissy i'm sure he's just been having a

moment yeah but i'll blame him you know it's like it's easy it's like uh what would have had our our succession reunion yeah oh right because of uh the um what's his name yeah tom tom yeah i like him too he was great too what a sniveling a hole in this he was oh he really is yeah and i like singing with his britt of his actual accent yeah very richard e grant oh big time big time yeah i wouldn't mind seeing his loki again that would no that would have been good too yeah Well, there you go, everybody. Our spoilery look at Wolverine, or sorry, at Deadpool and Wolverine. Keep giving the wrong billing to it for some reason.

And if you enjoyed this, well, maybe we'll miss some TMS days in the future and have to talk about more stuff to make up for it. Who knows. But thank you, Brian and Randy, for hanging out with us today. Oh, thank you guys. It was super fun. Everybody else, we'll see you on our next episode. Bye now.