The Nick Bare Podcast - 109: Exploring Self-Worth Beyond Achievements with Lucy Davis

Episode Date: February 24, 2025

Lucy Davis is back for her third podcast appearance, where we discuss the importance of balance between high-performance living and mental health. We explore Lucy's love for Texas and her experiences at the Austin Marathon. We also tackle the challenges and insights gained from balancing intense physical goals, business endeavors, and personal mental health. This episode highlights the importance of being present, letting go of external validations, and the empowering shift to self-awareness and vulnerability. Lucy shares her journey of navigating life changes, redefining goals, and the transformative impact of aligning actions with core values and purpose.CHAPTERS:00:23 Love for Texas02:40 Austin Marathon Excitement05:03 Injury and Perseverance06:25 Reflecting on Business Growth08:27 Emotional Support and Relationships12:02 Personal Growth and Self-Discovery21:33 Balancing Ambition and Mental Health31:11 Identity Beyond Fitness37:30 Living in the Moment39:07 Striving for Relaxation and Presence41:12 Coping Mechanisms for Stress46:01 Living a Little: Embracing Life's Moments51:32 Commitment to Personal Growth57:02 Mindset Shifts and Core Values01:05:12 The Power of Vulnerability01:07:27 Moving Forward Through Challenges01:20:59 Concluding Thoughts and Future PlansBecome a BPN member FOR FREE - Unlock 20% off FOR LIFEhttps://www.bareperformancenutrition.com/pages/bpn-membership?srsltid=AfmBOorlpjVeag2kkt3eZ5UpWcFA5Bb2v5V_93lmO47Vn_Y8DRdLwDLLMENTIONS:BE 2.0 (Beyond Entrepreneurship 2.0): Turning Your Business into an Enduring Great Company by Jim Collinshttps://www.amazon.com/BE-2-0-Beyond-Entrepreneurship-Business/dp/0399564233The Let Them Theory: A Life-Changing Tool That Millions of People Can't Stop Talking About by Mel Robbinshttps://shorturl.at/JCOSBFOLLOW:IG: instagram.com/nickbarefitness/YT: youtube.com/@nickbarefitnessLUCY DAVIS:IG: instagram.com/@lucydavis_fit/YT: https://www.youtube.com/@LucyDavisFit

Live a little. Life is so great. I'm so thankful for how hard I have worked and how hard I do work. But living a little to me is appreciating where I'm at right now, appreciating the incredible people that I have in my life. The amount of love that I have to give other people and they've got to give me. It's being present and content. But something I do need to work on is being presently there every single day when I wake up. Sometimes it's not doing harder or doing more, but it's doing different. That is the game changer. I think if you commit to this and follow through where you're at 10 years from now, will be completely different, mentally, physically, all the things.

So I would like recognize this and commit to the change that you want to to see. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the podcast. I have Lucy Davis back for her third appearance. appearance. Third appearance. On the pod. Yeah. Have you ever had three people on before?

It's, uh, there might be a few people, but it's like definitely less than four. You are one of them. Yes. Happy about that. How does it feel to be back in the great state of Texas? It's one of my favorite places in the world. Is it? It really is.

And people, a lot of people say, oh, you can travel to so many different places. And I, I am doing. that but a place that makes me really happy I get to spend time with people that I love and appreciate I will always be coming back here like when I say I land off the plane and I just glow differently I just feel very content here is probably the best way that I can put it and I am back multiple times for the rest of the year as well but no I absolutely love being back we didn't bring the weather I'm not going to hold it against you but it is absolutely freezing It is freezing. It is freezing. I'm not, I'm not, I didn't bring winter weather clothes. So I've worn this pretty much every single day that I've been here. Well, it feels like every time we have a race to basketball weeks here in Texas, like this massive cold front comes in. But I've always had this feeling when I have always flown back into Texas, Austin specifically. There is something about the Austin, Texas airport.

that makes me feel so welcomed and comfortable. It's like the perfect size. It's not too big. It's not too small. It's really easy to get an Uber or to your car, get in and out. But I always feel just like really good coming back to Austin, Texas. Yeah. You feel that?

Yeah, I can relate. It's not a complex airport at all. It's literally you get your bag, you go through, and then you're there. Your taxi's there. And also, it's only 10 minutes-ish from where I'm still. staying so it's not like an hour long journey. I get here. I see people. Jet lag didn't even hit me really at all this time. It's good. Yeah. I just, I wake up half four, five o'clock anyway. So it almost works in my favor for the first couple of days, but then I've just naturally

still being getting off a half or five because I like having the longest days here. I want to get up early. I want to get my run done. I want to be out there. I want to be with people. So yeah, the jet lad completely was absolutely fine this time. Well, I'm excited for you to experience the Austin Marathon. I can't wait. I'm a little biased because one, it was my first marathon ever, and it's in our backyard. But the energy of the Austin, Texas Marathon is unlike anything else I have experienced. And when I say energy, you go to some of these marathons and there's people holding signs,

and it's more like goofy energy. This is like committed energy. Yeah. This is a city that's filled with people who love fitness, who live the lifestyle, lots of runners, lots of endurance athletes. But everything from the start line to the finish at this marathon

is just good vibes. I could not be more excited because a lot of people are like, oh, like, what time are you going for? I was like, no, no, no, I'm, doing this marathon for the energy, for the vibes. It's not, like I'm not in a marathon block. I have always wanted to do Austin Marathon. Obviously, VPN sponsors this year,

and it makes so much sense. I think me and Luke are going to run it together, and we're just going to have a great time. We're there to kind of support other people when we're running it. I know it's also very hilly, so I'll get some hill training in there whilst I'm doing it. But not every single race that I'm doing has to be, okay, go for a sub three or do that.

No, no, no, I'm going out there for the energy, for the vibes of the race and to actually just take a step back and enjoy it and be around people and support other people who maybe are going for a time. But for me, for this one, it's enjoy it, be with the people you love and have the best time doing it. Yeah, I approach races two different ways. One, it is a full send. I put in a huge prep.

Yeah. I am dial. I don't, I don't see the course. I don't see the people. I'm just focused on every intention of each mile. That's like one full extreme. There's nothing really in the middle. The other extreme is just having fun, feeling,

and embracing the experience, being there for the people. So it's either one or the other. Unfortunately, I can't run this weekend because I'm dealing with some Achilles issues. And I never get injured. You know, all these, of all these fitness preps I've ever done, there's always something, as you know, something flares up. Yeah.

Things hurt. Naturally. Uncomfortable. And you can just train through them. Yep. This is the first time in a long time, I can't train through an injury. My fear is that if I do try to train through it, I'm going to end up tearing or rupturing my Achilles and then I'm out for a year plus. That's the last thing I want. So I am pretty bummed that I can't

run the shakeout tomorrow, which is Friday and then the race Sunday. But it's still going to be a great time. Oh, it's going to be the best time. I think that's where with injury and there is a difference between, oh, I've got a slight pain. And no, no, no, no. If I push through this, I'm actually going to injure myself and put myself out for the whole year. But you still get to be a part of it and amongst it and I think it's super cool like BPN are there. Is this the first year they're the main, main sponsor? Yeah. Of it. That's really big from like a business perspective as well though. This is huge. Looking at a different, okay, not running it and things, but from a business perspective, that is so exciting. It's huge. I mean, like it's still, it is still very surreal

for me. 2018 is my first marathon ever. It was the awesome marathon. And that was such a pivotal point in my life, but also for this brand's future and trajectory. If I didn't run that marathon in 2018, I don't know where I would be and where this brand would be today. That's like where I got the itch. And then from there was another marathon, then Iron Man's and Ultras and going after sub three. My first sub three attempt was actually the Austin Marathon in 2021, which I missed by 24 minutes. Huge miss. So train from the year, came back. But this weekend, I think this is the first year the Austin Marathons is ever sold out. Wow, that's big. There's over 22,000 runners, all of them fueled by BPN products on course. Go gels and electrolytes. The only nutrition

source on course. That's really, and usually it's not, I think when I've done a lot of marathons, there's usually like five different brands. Right. Or there's, you know, you've got multiple hydration things and then electrolytes and then you've got 10 different bars. So just to have one, that's really special. That's, yeah, I'm excited about that. It's very cool to be a part of.

Honestly, like, that's why I'm not that upset that I'm not running. Yeah. Because I want to be there for the community. I don't want to miss any part of it. Yeah. I just want to be able sit back and take it all in and just witness all the hard work that's gone in to not just this race, but the last decade of building, not by myself, but with a team and other people. And this weekend's going to be a really pivotal moment of our history as a brand. Does that, does it make you feel emotional at all?

You know, when you think about, I don't know why, because like I've, I've, I kind of say I've been with BPM the last year because I think of the Speed Project. And that's almost when it hit off me. I know it is October, but it does feel like so much longer for me. It's crazy to think that the Speed Project was almost a year ago. Yeah. I know. We and George was speaking about it.

I mean, like the first conversations we had, the first time I really spoke with like BPN was last February. And that's where you're on Anna Carle. I was like, it's been like a year since that. And when you speak about the brand, because I obviously, I understand the history of it and where you've come from and just from knowing you. But it even makes me feel emotional because it's like a level of proudness of, oh my God, this is actually, and I know how hard it is, I think, for like a business perspective to, I guess, like, look from an outside perspective and look in. Yeah, it just does it make you like feel emotional or is it just?

I know, it's all the emotional. In a way of, you know, this is going to be a big moment for us. And not to say that we've made it, but to say that we're doing it. Like we're doing what we said we'd always do. And I think back to like those moments, I can picture myself right now in my college apartment, what that apartment looked like, where I was sitting, the laptop I was working on, the website we had at the time, like where I was packing orders down out of my bed, like all the things, my printer, that apartment, I can visualize every little component of it.

And thinking back to where we started then and where we're at now 13 years later, 2005 is going to be a really meaningful year for us. one being the main nutrition sponsor of the Austin Marathon. That's part of it. But then in two months, we're moving into our new HQ, a 76,000 square foot facility. That's so exciting. Have you toward it yet?

No. Oh, I can't wait. I'll show you. Yeah, we'll do that. I can't wait to show you. It's right around the corner. But if you would have shown me, you know, 22-year-old Nick Bear, when I was just getting started, where we would be in 2025, I would just said, there's no way.

Yeah. There's no way. But it's just been a lot of consistent, hard work, choosing the hard writer of the easy wrong. And honestly, like, if I have to pin it down to one thing, it's been aligning with the right people, building with the right people. And that makes the biggest difference. just having the right people in the right seats on your team to help build with you because there's no way I could have got here by myself. It's been with the help of a lot of other people.

But yeah, it's an emotional experience for sure. Yeah. It's like that with anything, isn't it? Even when you're going through the most difficult times, you really recognize who is there for you. And it's almost not necessarily at your worst, but at your worst like we all go through periods

I even know like the past three months like last year I was good I was okay I was happy I was not my best self because I was burying a lot of emotions and almost put myself so far into like work and competing

and not dealing with things that I knew I had to deal with but I wasn't quite ready to deal with it and the people who were there for me at that time business wise like my team but also my friends and family and you really recognize in your weaker times and your more vulnerable times where you're not 100% who is there for you and then you come out the other side and I feel great and I'm still dealing with things but I'm really happy and it's all and the same people are there

that's when you know you've got your people and sometimes you lose them along the way and that's absolutely fine. But yeah, you go through pivotal points, whether it is divorce or having children, getting married, starting a business, your business goes to shit, whatever it is. The people who are there for you in the times of the suck are very, very important to me now. Like, I appreciate it more than I can even tell some people, like how they have been so incredible over the past couple of months and I can give that back to them now because I haven't had the emotional capacity sometimes to be able to give that last year. I struggled quite a lot with my emotions and I love giving. It's like one of my favorite things about myself is putting other people first and I couldn't

really do that last year and I really struggled with it and people stuck by me and that I will carry that with me for the rest of my life like those people. So like building the business and things that I've got. I know I've got really good people around me. So I enjoy listening to you say that because like 13 years later, so in like five, six years times I can be like, oh, do you remember that time that was really difficult? But you got through it with your people. And I know I couldn't do without people in my life. No way. I struggled with that whole concept for a long time where I thought that when I first got started, the people I got started with. And when I say got started, started, this can be applicable to a bunch of different chapters in my life.

But I just assumed that they were going to be with me indefinitely through the highs and lows and the hard times, the good times. And then when people started fading off, when times weren't as high any longer, and you thought that people were so loyal to you, when things weren't going right, they were the quickest to jump ship. And vice versa, sometimes when it was the hardest times, you had people who leaned in even more. But I've realized and learned, I've talked with Steph a lot about this, that there are people in your life who are going to be very close with you forever.

There are people in your life where the relationships will kind of fade into the background, but they'll still always be there. Like you make a phone call, they always pick up. then there's people who come in for seasons and chapters of your life and you might be best friends you might be very close you might share every part of your life with them and you just assume that they are going to be a lifelong partner with you forever and then next year you realize you're not talking to that person at all but they were in for a very instrumental and important chapter or season in your life but you might not ever talk to them again and you're going to

have more relationships like that in the future. There are people who come and go, and there's people who stay through thick and thin. But that's just part of life. That's part of building relationships. It's the hard part about maintaining relationships. Yeah, and then you can only learn from it through experience of those different friendships

and those different relationships. I'm 28 and I'm only just kind of realizing it now. And it's hard. Sometimes the seasonal ones, like that's what you call that. I like referring it to that. It makes sense. Yeah, you have friends for like different reasons or relationships for different reasons. And I was speaking some about it last night at dinner, saying, and I was asked,

do you regret anything that's happened in your life? And I don't think I regret a single thing that has happened. And there's been some really hard times, really bad times. But if I didn't do those things, if I didn't experience, the bad, the good, the negatives, whatever it is, I categorically would not be the person I am today because from the hardest times, from the times that I thought I've not been able to get through it, or I've been at my lowest of my lows, you learn more about yourself in those areas of your life than you do the positives. The positives are great. We all want the positives. They're optimistic.

I'm very optimistic person. I have learned more about myself probably in the past six months, especially my emotions and my self-awareness and who I am as a person, then I probably have my whole 28 years of life. And it's almost me recognizing that of, I don't regret a single thing that's happening. You shouldn't live with regrets. You can't look into the past because you can't change it. You can just change and control what you think moving forward.

So I'm not going to be stuck thinking, oh, I could have done this, I should have done that. Yeah, there's probably loads of stuff I could have done. But I didn't. And at that time, I made that decision for a reason. And it was probably the best decision that I could have made at that point in time. Even right up and now and think, oh, good God. I can't think about it.

No, I don't regret it because I wouldn't have gone through the hardest times to get where I am today. And again, it's just something that I am still learning about myself and learn to be a bit more vulnerable and a little bit more aware of my emotions at the age of 28. And it's just taking me a little bit more time. it's just a constant learning lesson of life. One thing I found in, I'll be 35 this summer, which is even crazy to think or say, I'm going to be 35 with two young kids.

I'm like, where did, how did I get here? What happened? It was a few months ago. I was hanging out with Fons and Luke in French. and we were filming some videos and we were working out and it was a late night workout we were feeling it, we were flexing

and filming it and I got home and Steph was like you do realize you're like 10 years older than these guys and you're still flexing in a mirror post workout. I still feel when I'm with those guys I feel like in my early 20s.

They make me feel young. But what I have found is as I've gotten older with each incremental year, that each incremental year is more dense in terms of a quality of wisdom that is gained and achieved. So when I look back to when I was 30, for example,

the amount of insight and perspective and wisdom I was gaining in that year was less than what I am as a 34-year-old and will be as a 35-year-old because with more time comes more experience. And I'm not just living to live, but I'm living to grow and get better. I'm searching for that development.

So I am pushing to do more to accomplish more. And with that, there's failure that accompanies it. But when you push, you're pushing beyond what you think or couldn't be capable. So with each additional incremental year, it's not just another year. It's another year to gain so much more quality wisdom. Well, that's one of the things that I've really been working on.

And we kind of touched it the other day when we briefly spoke in the gym. I always felt, because I obviously hadn't seen you in a while, and I almost opened up to in a way of being, I have things that I didn't deal with that I'm dealing with now. And one of my, it's just so weird because I always write my goals up every single year. And an entire person, I have a fitness category, a race category, business category, a personal. I'm very much a high achiever and that's how my brain works. It just is. It's the growth mindset. It's looking into the future. It's what's next,

next, next, next, that I have realized normally taken a backseat of I'm constantly thinking about the future, that I forget being present is one of the most important things that I have not been doing. And yeah, I worry about the future. I'm not scared to admit that there's things that I worry about, like being a young business owner, I worry about other people and I think about them and I put them first, whereas I've almost had a real reflection of, okay, okay, Lucy, you've got all these incredible things happening. But one of the biggest goals, that is your scariest one, and I hate to admit it, is you've got to work on your mental health. You've got to do this or I've been avoiding.

it, which I'm semi embarrassed to say or speak about that I've just kind of been like, nope, I'll deal with you at a different point, you're not important. Now I've realized, like, my biggest goal for 2025 for this year, yeah, I've got loads of races. I'm going after a world record. I'm going after world first. My biggest goal, the top priority, is just putting me first and working on, I think, things that I know I need to work on. I don't know why it makes me feel a little bit embarrassed to talk about

because it shouldn't. I'm not embarrassed to talk about mental health and things like that. It's just I'm very aware that I haven't done it. So it's kind of, it's recognizing things about yourself like every single week, every single day. But yeah, when I bumped into you in the gym the other day, I was like, yeah, I'm pulling Ballin Marathon because I've got to work on mental health.

Like that sentence doesn't, I don't really, I don't identify with that person. I identify with the hardcore grit. So when I said that to you, I was like, oh. Well, that's why I wanted to have you on the podcast. I know. Because we need to talk about this. And let's hang out here for a little bit.

Because people who listen to this podcast have a very similar mindset like you and me. We are very driven people. type A, go, go, go, and achieve at our own expense. The intent is never to like achieve at other people's expense, but I think we both are willing to sacrifice our own personal health to achieve and then help other people along the way. And it's like, well, Nick and Lucy, you can take care of yourself later. because what I have found through this whole journey, and I'm in a similar situation right now

where I'm trying to be very intentional with what I pursue and also recognizing the collateral damage that comes along with what I pursue. Because I can push really hard and I can bury myself into the ground and I can do that for a long time. And I'm okay, or I should say, I used to be okay with it affecting me.

But then when I realized it was affecting other people my life, people who I work with, my family, my kids, that was an eye-opener for me of, okay, like, what am I trying to accomplish and why? Am I trying to accomplish more just to do more? Or am I trying to accomplish something that has really meaningful impact but doesn't create this collateral damage around me? So let's hang out here for a little bit.

what does a better mental health environment look like for you compared to where it is right now and why you've decided to pull back from some of these races because you had a very aggressive race schedule going to 2025. Do you know what? It's still pretty aggressive. And I've already competed four times this year we're in February.

And I'm aware of that. And I think this is the important. for me, says I enjoy competing. I enjoy that environment. It makes me happy. I thrive off it. I like training for something. That is really important to me and I will always have that. And I do have a lot of goals coming up still this year. There's just the one thing that I struggle with and I always have is I have become this like person who has quite a hard exterior in terms of, oh, she does really cool things. She does hard things. Oh, she's got a business. Oh, she's, she's great. Like, I've identified with that and I've attached onto that. And that's also other people essentially validating that as well. Like,

we work so heavily on social media. There's a lot of people, not that I need the validation, but they give it to me. They do, they give me that validation. So I'm like, oh, I am this person, which I know I am deep into my core. But what's, happened, I think over the past couple months where I've been through a real significant life change, I've maintained that identity of, you're really hardcore. You can't be sad, you can't be vulnerable, you can't cry, you can't care about your emotions, because you're this person. And that's what I did a lot last year. Even I think back to our podcast, I was probably in that mindset of like, I'm great. I was like, I was masking it. I was competing back to back.

I was travelling, working so much. Like I look back and I always make myself feel stress about how much I was doing. And I, for me right now, with my headspace and where I'm at, is knowing that I am enough as a person for Lucy Davis. And it's almost questions that I ask myself of, like am I enough just as Lucy?

Am I enough as a daughter? Am I enough as a friend? I'm enough without all my achievements. Will people look at me the same? If I'm not doing things all the time, if I'm not competing, if I'm not competing to a high level, so it's not just competing when I compete,

I want to break world records, I want to go a sub three marathon, I want to do these things. But if I'm not doing them, are people going to think less of me? Are they expecting me to do this? Of course they are. That's why I put Belin down because so many people like, when did you stuff three marathon?

I was like, I'll book it. So I signed to Berlin, not for me. Not at all for me. That right, I'm not, I don't know, I will do sub three. I might even do $2.50 one day. I didn't, I don't need to do Berlin. It would be straight into a marathon prep after Chicago, after high rock's worlds. Because I didn't want to give myself a break to work my mental health. I was like, if I just keep training in a block for something, if I just keep working, if I fill my calendar so much, I don't have to deal with all these things of my real deep emotions. And they're quite sad questions that I ask myself that, oh, am I enough without doing hard things? Am I enough without these competitions? Well, people still think the same people who

love me and care for me. I actually don't think care about anything that I'm doing to that degree. Only I really care about those goals and those races because they're mine and they're special to me and they're important to me. I wouldn't expect other people to understand them. And I know that I have almost hit a wall or I'm hitting the wall or I hit it and now I'm climbing back over the other side of, okay, you've not looked after your mindset in terms of dealing with emotions. You've not dealt with trauma. I've not dealt with things that I know I need to. to physically be able to perform, to presently be there for my friends and family, to be the best person that I can be. Like one of my favorite things about myself is I'm a really kind person.

Like, I put other people first and I love that about myself. That's what strong mental health will look like to me is believing and knowing deep, deep internally. Lucy, people don't love you for what you're doing and these things. They love you for who you are as a person. So I think it's what good mental health will look like for me is me feeling that. It's all good of me while saying it. I don't feel that yet.

I don't feel that. I've not even spoke about this before, so it's really, I feel almost like awkward speaking about it. But I think that's what it will look like for me is, knowing that I am enough. I think this is great stuff to share. It's so scary though. It makes me just feel uncomfortable.

It makes you real. Yeah. And I think the one thing that social media has done, it is amplified, not necessarily our need, but our exposure to external validation. External validation has always been there. But when you build a platform and a community

where there's hundreds of thousands of people following you, like in your case, and you're receiving comments and feedback and all these messages providing this validation around what you are doing, which then forms your identity, you and yourself create an identity around that validation. That's normal.

I've 100% been that same situation. I've been there many times before. My question for you is, this might be hard to answer, maybe you don't have the answer. I'm assuming you get a lot of your validation from these physical fitness challenges, races, competitions, high rocks, marathons, ultras.

Who is Lucy Davis without fitness? And what legacy do you want outside of fitness? accomplishments. You know, when I said to you before, this was one of the questions that I sat with when you were like, oh, we're going to see what this. I didn't even really have an answer. And it almost made me feel quite sad because I see fitness as that's how I've chose to live my life. So it's almost like ingrained in me. It's a part of who I am. But it is also because I happen in sport my whole life, I've almost not known different, as in from as soon as I could walk, I was in sport. That it's who I am. I almost see like fitness as a lifestyle. And I don't necessarily identify with a particular sport. Like I don't, I don't identify myself like as a high rock athlete or as a runner. It's not that. Mine's the situation that I have is I identify with doing hard things, which in turn is me doing all of these races. and me without like the fitness side of things,

I don't think she fully exists right now. I don't. I don't. It will always be a part of my life. Sport and fitness will always be a part of my life. Who I am without that is understanding that I'm a very giving and kind person. And one of my favorite things to do is be with people. people that I love and doing things that they enjoy and understanding different cultures and learning

and writing and photography and fashion. There's all these different things that I am so interested in, but because I've not been present within my own life as much as I could be, I also own a fitness business, I own a fitness app. So again, it's, even when I'm thinking about business is very much in a fitness sense. I have other projects that are all in the fitness space that I... You're speaking to the choir right now. I know that I just so happen to be launching all in the fitness space because that is who I am. And I'm proud of that. Like I'm really proud of the person that I am today. But it is, it's, it's knowing, it makes me very awkward to not have the best answer to that question because I'm still figuring it out. And it's not that

I don't enjoy doing other things. But yeah, a lot of my hobbies and interests are based around fitness. So like even going for a hike in the mountains, like the mountains are a safe space for me. I love them. They make me feel whole and calm and relaxed. And I can't even, the silence. But is that still class as fitness? Because it's hiking.

I don't know. I don't know what realm that comes into. The photography side of it. I love learning about cameras. I've been annoying trace so much. I'm like, well, you help me fix my camera. I'm going to take all these little pictures. Yeah, maybe that's a little hobby. I love expressing myself through fashion. I love doing that. I'm doing a lot of writing at the moment because I have a big project that I've been working on and I'm

writing so much and I'm learning about myself and are they all not related to fitness? I don't know because it's who I am. So a lot of the things that evolve around my life are based off that. But I think you can pitching them whole into different categories. But yeah, I really, really struggle with that because it's the life that I've almost chose to have and I'm super thankful and grateful for it. But you're trying to understand, yeah, does the other likes and passions that I have, they still come under the umbrella of physical and mental well-being, which is fitness. But I don't think there's anything wrong with that. No. I think people try to make other people feel bad that their identity is tied to something they love doing.

But who are they to say that you're wrong? Yeah. A few years ago, me and Steph went to premarital counseling before we got married. And that was a point in my life where I was so focused on just building the business. That's all I cared about. Like so much of my passion is around fitness. and building business. And I was creating a lot of collateral damage in my life

because I was in an Ironman prep at the time. I was scaling and growing business, trying to hire more people. It was just like it was a very fun but tough time. And a therapist asked me, who am I without BPN? And I sat there and I couldn't answer it. And I got pissed. I was like, this is stupid.

I'm out of here. So we just never went back. And I sat. with that for a while and I felt really bad because I couldn't answer it. But then I realized, why do I feel bad? I thought to myself, why do I feel bad? Because this person who doesn't know me or live the life that I live or have the same passion and purposes me, who are they to judge me? So I think there's a time in your life where you have to be focused. And you don't have to have all these passions outside of the one thing that you identify with and you love.

But again, I think people make us feel bad for not having that thing. So then we feel bad internally on ourselves. And it's an internal battle. So when I ask the question, like, who are you without fitness? If you don't have an answer, that's completely okay. Yeah. Because that is like your focus right now. And you shouldn't feel bad.

Yeah. It's almost I'm just making sure, which is why with the whole very much working on myself and, you know, yeah, having therapy. And really me working on that element helps me. like be more present within like fitness and how it is such an integral part of my life and it is who I am and it's who I identify with but it's also it's like being out here yeah I'm training a lot and it's it's fitness base but I'm training with some of the best people ever and I'm having so much fun it doesn't it doesn't feel like stressful or anything like that and I'm working on my emotions I get to run the marathon with Luke

And I get to be around everyone. We're doing a really cool, like, filming thing in the moment with, like, Hi, Rocks. And it's just, I'm like, this is really fun. But it's also pulling it for me to be, okay, well, be in that moment, Lucy. Be present. Be present in this podcast. Be present when I'm trained with the labs later.

Be present when we're having steak in Texas. And it's these things that's important to me. It's living in the moment. For a lot of people, I think it's like, oh, live in the moment. No, no, I really, I recognize that I do need to live in the moment and not be so worried about the future. The future to the future. I can't think too far ahead. I have my goals. I know what I want to achieve, but I shouldn't be thinking about those future intense goals because they are intense every single day of my life. They're goals that I have. They're not going anywhere.

I know I can achieve them. They'll be hard to achieve. But I don't need to wake up every single morning and be like, oh, that's intense. No, no, no, I can be more present. I can, I should be a little bit more relaxed. I'm not, I'm not the most relaxed person in some instances. I think a lot of my friends definitely my sister and family would, would say that because I am a high achiever and I look at the next best thing all the time. I think, yeah, we get a lot of validation from social media and it's not, I don't rely on the validation, but I think people are lying. they don't sometimes enjoy that level that people give to us in such a, in such a positive way. So yeah, I guess I'm trying to detach from those sort of things and just

be, be here I am, live a little. And yeah, that's, that's good. I think mentally that's where I'm at. It doesn't mean I'm not happy. I think this is a thing just because I'm working on myself and I'm prioritising my mental health. I'm a very happy person. Most of the time, like I've always got a very high baseline level of happiness. and optimism. But there's something internally that. So maybe a little bit disjointed at the moment. And I recognize that. And I'm working on it.

I can 100% relate to what you're going through right now. And being a little bit older than you, a few years ago, I was really in the thick of this. And I still revisit it quite often. And people like you and me, and again, most people who are listening this podcast,

have the same mindset. We don't have to be provided motivation, and we don't have to be influenced to be disciplined. We are like naturally, our baseline is disciplined. Our baseline is motivated. We want to achieve. But I think what we need to do sometimes is like let off the grip a little bit because I will grip harder and harder and harder

until someone's like, hey, like your knuckles, like your knuckles, they're white. You're gripping so hard. When you're going through a very stressful time, what is your coping mechanism? And I'll share you mine first so you can think about it. When I am overwhelmed or I am stressed, I try to control what I know I can control. and I wasn't able to recognize this myself, but Steph was able to recognize this. So if I'm overwhelmed with work, where I'm stressed out, there's a lot going on, there's pressure, I will control to crazy degrees my diet and my training.

I will amplify volume intensity of training, and I will amplify the strictness of my diet, where the scale comes out, sometimes my fitness pal and logging food comes back out, I won't touch anything that doesn't fit into my diet. I will hit my macros to a T. That is the previous, like, obsessive, compulsive, eating disorder,

problem within me. And that is just my coping mechanism. Like when I feel like life is getting out of control, I will grab on to what I know I can control. that is my coping mechanism. I now can identify it. Steph and my team can definitely identify it. Can you picture what yours is?

I know exactly what mine is. I've almost just like, I've almost just recognize what it is from you saying that when I'm at very high levels of stress. And I know I know I can feel. it just feels different. I will fill my time even more, as in I will book more races, I will book in more meetings, I will take on more things for the business that I physically know I don't have the mental capacity to do so. But if I'm doing that and I'm busy enough,

I don't have time to even think about being stressed because I have so much on. As in, I think that's, that's actually what I do. I fill gaps and time. so I don't have a second to sit with my emotions or the feelings of stress because then if my time is so full, I'm full. I don't have time to sit with my emotions or even worry about those things because I'm by booking new races or new projects within the businesses and then focused on those that I'm not then worrying about the stresses that I had. They're still there. I've not, they're probably worse. But that is definitely something that I do.

It's like the person who has problems gambling, where you go into the casino, you go in with $100, and you tell yourself you're only spending $100, and you lose $100 in the first five minutes. So you go back and you pull another $100 out to try to break even, but then win a little bit more money back. And you lose that and you go back.

you keep digging yourself a hole and you never get ahead. And you're hoping that one of these times you go back, it's going to be that hit that gets you ahead and you feel better. But it isn't. You just keep digging and digging and digging. Yeah, but I recognize it. And I am self-aware of it. I think I've become very self-aware over the past couple of months of my emotions.

And certain, like, boundaries that I think I've almost set for myself of what I won't. I won't. or I don't have the mental capacity for. And that's within like friendships and like my family relationships and business. Like the people that I work with are absolutely fantastic because they can, I think they know sometimes more about me than I even know about myself because I spend a lot of time with people that I work with and they recognize it sometimes. And everyone was like, well, you're doing it.

Like we don't need to do that new project. Like I was looking at new units and they were like, hmm, No, no. Like, without, oh, let's just pause on that. Because I was trying to fill a gap of the amount of stress that I was feeling. I was like, I'll add to my plate. Why not? May as well.

I'm already in the thick of it. I'm very thankful for people like that who do recognize it. And it also makes me very self-aware of situations that I put myself in. Yeah. Because then everyone else, when you take on more and say yes to more, it's not just you taking it on. It's everyone. Everyone else.

Yeah. I want to take a quick break in this episode to talk to you guys about how I use our products around my endurance training and how you can as well. Now, here at BPN, we've created products to fuel your performance and optimize your recovery. But I want to talk specifically around how I use these products in my morning run. Before my morning run every morning, I'm not training fasted. I want carbohydrates and I want electrolytes. So I consume two scoops of G1M Sport, which is our carbohydrate and electrolyte powder,

and one go bar, which is our lightweight oat-based bar. With this combination, I'm getting about 800 milligrams of sodium and 76 grams of carbohydrates total. Carbohydrates for the fuel, electrolytes for the hydration. This is going to set me up to have the best run possible. Fuel and hydration. Now, based off of the distance, duration, and intensity of that run, I will add in go gels during the workout. And the go gel is our simple ingredient, endurance gel, 24 grams of carbohydrates in each gel and 110 milligrams of sodium.

We have a non-caffeinated version and a caffeinated version. The caffeinated version has 75 milligrams of caffeine per gel. And I will have one go gel every 30 to 45 minutes or every 4 to 5 miles. And we really created the go gel for these bigger effort runs or endurance training sessions and races. They are extremely useful during races because you get a quick hit of energy. from the fuel, the carbohydrates, some hydration from the electrolytes, the sodium, but they also digest very easily. So you're not going to have stomach discomfort and GI distress.

And then after my run, I want to rehydrate. So I'm always adding in our electrolyte powder, one to two scoops. Each scoop has 500 milligrams of sodium, full electrolyte profile. So I'm using our products to fuel training. enhance hydration, maintain effort intensity during training sessions with the go gel,

and then rehydrating immediately after. So that's how I use our products around my early morning runs and all my endurance training and how you can as well. So go to BPNSups.com, check out all of our endurance products to fuel your performance.

And now back to the episode. You made this post the other day saying that your new mantra is live a little. And we've, I think we've been like skating around that for a little bit. But like, what exactly does that not necessarily mean to you, but what does that look like? Living a little. I say that and it relaxes me.

As in, I don't think, you know when you hear a quote or someone says something to you and you resonate with it at a time in your life when you needed to hear that more than you even realized? my sister said that to me. The first day I landed in Texas, I pha-timesed her. I was like, I've got all these things on. And she was like, whoa. She was like, you're in.

And I was like listening off work things. And she was like, whoa, live a little. And I thought, I do. I was like, I've got a great life. I almost was shocked when she said it. I was like, yeah, I am living. I've got a great life. I'm really relaxed.

And she said, Lucy, everything you've just listed off, you've made your trip seem stressful and you've not even been there for a day. I was like, but nothing's stress. And we spoke about it and we went through it a little bit, which is why I resonated so much because it's like, oh, live a little. Life is so great. I'm so thankful for how hard I have worked and how hard I do work. But living a little to me is appreciating where I'm at right now,

appreciating the incredible people that I have in my life, The amount of love that I have to give other people and they've got to give me, it's being present and content. And I think for me it's pulling back on, as I said before, I do enjoy looking into the future and thinking of the this, this and this and this, that's great. But something I do need to work on is being presently there every single day when I wake up. And I don't wish my life away at all. but I think I have been doing that. I've been so fixated on other things that are happening

that aren't always in my control that I'm getting to the end of the day. It's like, okay, new day. Go again straight. It's like, whoa, you've just had the best day ever. Let's just sit with that and appreciate how incredible life is and where you're at right now and having the gratitude for that and those moments.

And that's what living in little is to me. and that's something that I, every single day I wake up, I've done a lot of journaling recently. More like brain dumping as I write everything down. It's been helpful? So helpful. And I was a little bit, not against journaling, but the way I pictured it was people writing essays.

And that almost stressed me out. I was like, I don't have the time to be doing that. They're almost just thoughts. Like sometimes I write one word and that's it. And it just might be a moment that I'm, feeling. So, or like, I scribble a little bit, or I draw random things. I was writing about emotions the other day. And I, I drew like a beach and waves in the seaside because I was describing to myself how emotions feel like waves and they come and go and we're not tired to them. And they're

okay and they pass through. Some are big, some are small. So instead of writing all that, I just drew it. And I instantly felt very calm about it. But every morning I've woke up and I write, live a little. And it just relaxes me. It makes me feel whole. It makes me feel content. And that's where I'm at with that. What has held you back from living a little in the past? What is your fear around allowing yourself to live a little? Letting other people down, I think is a really big thing for me. Not that I don't think anyone would ever say that to me if I take my foot off the gas a little bit and I'm not this go, go, go, go, go, high achiever all the time. I worry about letting my team down.

I worry about letting my family and my friends and my loved ones down. If I am not identifying with that hard exterior woman that everyone, so I'm about to say expects me to be that. I don't think anyone expects me to be that ever. I think I could be that I am who I am without that. but in my head it's if I'm not doing all these incredible amazing things, if I'm not doing this, if I'm not doing that, if I'm not pushing on with business, people won't look at me in the same way or I won't respect myself.

And I think that's made me not take my foot off the gas to a degree. But by not doing that, I've probably had the opposite effect to myself where like my sister's been so pivot. Like she's, she has, like, the relationship. relationship you have with your family and like a sibling for me like my sister she will tell me how it is and she will be pretty brutal sometimes and she's the only person who really will tell me what I need to hear at different points and she said the other day she was like you're like you're like you're almost like wishing your life away she's like you're 28 your life just started you're in a new

chapter your life has just started enjoy it she's like enjoy your time live a little and it's uh Yeah, it stuck. My piece of advice for you is I think it's really important. And I only share this advice because I've been here where you're at many times before is in the past couple of years, I've been at the same intersection that you're at right now. And I have recognized it. And I've said I was going to make a change. And then I never did.

And I went back to my old ways. and kept burying myself. And then I would finally get to a breaking point where I'd recognize it again, say I'm going to make a change, go back to burying myself. And through burying myself, it creates all these like rips and tears in other parts of your life with people and business and all these things. My biggest piece of advice is recognize this and commit to making a sustainable change because I can guarantee you if you do make that change because I committed that change recently.

The growth you see on the other side is 10x what it is if you just maintained what was, I say comfortable, not actually comfortable, but comfortable for you. Sometimes it's not doing harder or doing more, but it's doing different. That is the game changer. I think if you commit to this and follow through where you're at, 10 years from now will be completely different financially, mentally, mentally, physically, all the things. So I would like recognize this and commit to the change that you want to to see.

Do you know what as well? I almost hit this point last year. I was like, yeah, I'm going to, I'm all in with that. I didn't. I've been there. I've been there. Completely lied to myself. Didn't really do anything about it.

Didn't deal with emotions that I knew I should have been dealing with that everyone was. And it was almost, I gave myself some grace because it's like, okay, that's fine. Now I recognize that. I'd never had those emotions or how I felt before. I didn't even know how to deal with it. So I just pushed it aside. And I did a lot. I learned so much about myself.

Whereas now, like the past week, it's hit me. And I'm like, oh, no, yeah. where I'm fully committing to that. And I've done it in different ways of, like with therapy, for example, oh, I'm fully committed as then, I've said to my therapist twice a week every week, which is, it's a lot.

I will. There, I've had some out here and I sometimes Instagram myself a whole day. Because I'm a very committed person. I pride myself in being committed to my sports, to my businesses, to my friendships. And it's like, okay, Lucy,

you're committing to this now. And I have. And I'm actually really proud of that, like the past couple of weeks, like three or four weeks, I have fully committed to this. And that's how I'm a high achiever. So me saying I'm committed to something, I'm going to follow through with it.

And I just didn't do that last year. And I'm aware of that. Whereas this time, and it's only been like, yeah, three or four weeks where I've really kind of drilled into this and like recognize how I, I'm feeling. I already feel a big weight off my shoulders. I already feel a lot better. So I'm seeing it's not, this isn't an overnight thing and I'm aware that this is going to be, you know, a good couple of

months. But the small changes that I have noticed in myself, being kind of to myself, a new level of confidence, a confidence that's like authentically me though. I think one of the best things that I like about me is that I am very authentically me. Like what you see is what you see is what you see is what you get kind of thing. It's not, I'm not different online than I am offline. And I'm like proud to kind of like recognize that in these, these changes that I'm going through. Because yeah, for a lot of people, it's they need to put their foot on the gas and do more. Whereas I, I'm doing the opposite and I've never really had to do that before. So the big one is me, again, for a lot of people it wouldn't maybe relate, but pulling out of Berlin,

for that sub three because it's not, I could do that race. Oh, for sure, I'm ready for a sub three. I'm, I'm itching for it one day. It's not that I could do that race in September. It's the fact that July, August, September, I want to take off competing, as in I don't want to be in a prep. I've been in a prep since 2021. That's like four years. I'm doing that because I want to go on a holiday which isn't work. I want to spend time with people that I love. I want to not be in a prep and I don't really need a massive explanation to people for it. But again, that's like me committing to not doing a race. It's almost sounds backwards, but it's for different purposes and different reasons that it sounds really backwards. Actually, me saying that out loud,

but now I'm committing to me prioritising. People who truly know how to commit. and have committed to something in the past, we will completely understand what you're doing and why right now. So I just finished reading this book, which is a business book, but it's very applicable to this. And it's called BE 2.0 by Jim Collins, and it stands for Beyond Entrepreneurship.

Yeah. It's probably my favorite book I've read in the last two years. I loved, I listened to the audio book. when I was running. I finished it, order the hard copy, and now I lay in bed at night, and I'm reading it and highlighting all this stuff. I'm pretty much highlighting the entire book.

I'm like, what's the point of this? But it talks about how, like, in business, vision is so important. But again, this is very applicable to life. Vision is, like, what needs created at all corporations, organizations, companies, brands,

individual family units. Vision guides strategy. And then strategy guides tactics. And within vision, there are core values, there's purpose, and there's goals. So what most people do,

and what I've done before, is I just go and create goals. And my goals, in my mind, are my vision. But my goals aren't aligned with a purpose, and that purpose isn't aligned with core values. So first, like, to create vision for yourself or your business or your family, you create core values.

Core values aren't like these lofty integrity, honesty, you know, those characteristics, like very straightforward. Like, one of our core values at BPN is that we will not. pursue growth at the expense of profitability. Like, we will always be profitable. That's one of our core values. So you create your core values first. And your core values as a business or as an individual shouldn't change more than one time every 100 years.

Your purpose also shouldn't change more than one time every 100 years. So our purpose at BPN, which is also aligned with my purpose. And as I read this, you'll realize it has nothing to do. do with like these physical feats or challenges. BPN's purpose and my purpose, help people realize that anything is achievable with hard work, commitment, and consistency, and then provide them the fuel resources and inspiration to do it.

What I get the most out of in life is like helping people realize and achieve confidence. You said you would never run. I want to inspire you to go for your first run and then run a marathon one day. And I want to guide you to get there. I want to show you how. That is like my purpose. That's what I love to do.

And then you create goals. And your goals in a business, for example, which might be different from personal, are 10 to 25 year goals. So your goals are only created after you've already identified your core values and your purpose. And the reason I share that is to say that what I used to do, and I believe a lot of the people do, is they create goals, they think they want or other people want for them. But what ends up happening is those goals might not be aligned with your core values

or your purpose. So those goals are completely in a different, moving in a different direction from where you want to go and be. I've definitely, I can think of goals off my head that I have almost set for other people thinking I have definitely set of myself and I've not. And I also, I think I do really within my heart, I know why do, why do. And it wouldn't even mean I ever have to compete again, ever and I am aware of that like my I'm so passionate so passionate like I think about it daily because it excites me so much is helping specifically women because I almost grew up in

sport and I struggled there was times that you know the stereotypical and women can't do this they can't do that and I think it must have stuck with me from such young age you're like honestly the age of like four or five years old, I've been in sport. Like, why do what I do now? I don't, I don't want people to do these, like, ridiculous. It's the insane kind of like the things that I'm doing. I want them just to know, like, as a woman, you're capable of so much more than you ever know. And you realize you should, you should be, like, hold on to that and be so proud, like, to be a girl. And that is why I do what I do. And I know I don't need to compete or do this or be to, to, to, to, to have that as like one of my purposes and why I'm doing what I'm doing. And I do recognize that.

But it is, I probably will definitely read that book and almost like sit with it and break it down myself to understand why I am doing these things as well. Like I can't give you a solid answer to I want to sit and read that book. I think I saw you post it on your story. I've already screenshot it to add to read. And like I think I'll learn a lot from it. But yeah, I know my purpose. And I do have a lot of my core values. But there's things that I definitely need to realign and work on slightly. Yeah, as we're talking about this, I'm thinking like, I don't want people to think that we're saying you should stop pursuing goals in all these physical challenges and all these things. Because as you're

talking about what your goals are with creating content in these races. As a dad who has a young daughter, Charlie's two and a half years old, I want Charlie to look up to people like you who are women owning who they are true and authentic and kicking ass and while other people chirp and make comments and say things, you just keep leaning in. And if I could have one magic power that I could just like cast onto my children as they grew up, it's just confidence.

I want them to be so confident. I want them, and that's my goal as a father. I want them to realize that if they want to do something, they can do it. No one's going to tell them otherwise. No one can put them down and they are so strong and they are so confident. I tell Charlie that when I'm putting her to bed every night,

you're going to be so confident. You're going to be independent. You're going to be strong. You're going to be successful. I just speak that into her. And that is what you're doing for women in this world. But I think what I know is the goal of what we're trying to get across in this conversation, this discussion, is that sometimes in that pursuit, you sacrifice your own personal health because you care so much about helping other people. And it's okay to take a step back sometimes and say, I'm going to take care of myself.

It hasn't changed my goals, my ambitions, but I'm going to be very intentional with, like, putting myself first for a little bit so I can better serve other people later. Well, that's what it is. It's almost, I've taken it as I'm not a weak person. I'm not. I don't really, that's just not who I am. But me opening up and being vulnerable in this conversation, which is definitely a vulnerable conversation,

is actually, it's pretty brave to have people, I want them to be like, oh yeah, she's this heart. And I am. That is who I am. That is through and through. But also, I can be vulnerable and I can be proud of that. And I can be still this person, but recognizing and being more self-aware of my emotions.

okay, well, that will make me a better person for people around me. It'll also make me more confident. I lost a level of confidence last year, and it's come back so much over the past four or five weeks because I'm focusing on myself. And I'm telling myself every day I wake up in the mirror. I'm like, you're a great person, Lucy. You are confident, you are successful, you are thriving.

That's like a level of confidence that I have needed. And yeah, I'm going after a world record in a month, the one that I got and then got Veehan. And then doing Last Man Standing. I've then got Harrow-outs' worlds. I'm not doing, I want to do those things. There's just certain races that, yeah, oh, that one can be put on pause.

And that's me just being really self-aware. And, yeah, the hope of this conversation is, you know, we're not all completely bulletproof and we hit a point that it's like, oh, okay, I've got to recognize that. and it's almost, I'm almost like more proud of that. I'm recognising it and being able to be vulnerable and speak on a podcast about it because, yeah, hopefully people can take more away from this conversation.

People might listen and be like, oh God, I'm definitely in that area. But I know I can get through it because I can be brave, I can be strong. It doesn't really change who you are. I know my core values is this. I've got that grit in me. I'm committed. I'm consistent. I'm resilient.

I pride myself. self of those, but I'm kind, I'm vulnerable, I'm caring as well. And I think that'll help me be like the most confident person that I can be, that I lost a little bit of myself last year. But yeah, it's a, it's a really interesting topic. Sometimes you instill more confidence in people not by being bulletproof, but by being vulnerable. I'm thinking back to like, some of the recent comments in DMs I've been getting around my whole ankle situation. My Achilles, just my foot in general. I'm not really sure what's causing the problem.

I have an MRI Tuesday to really figure it out. I'm getting so many messages saying, dude, I'm so sorry. Like, here's what you can do. Like, you're going to get back there. Like, don't, don't, don't keep your head up. Don't let this destroy you. I'm like, I'm good. I'm good.

Like my identity, and this might be a different response today than it was two years ago, my identity is not a runner. It's not even necessarily an athlete. That is something that I do. But when things happen outside of your control and they challenge your goals and what you were working towards, I now just go back to my core values and my purpose. and I reshift that time and energy towards something else. I'm just going to keep moving.

I'm not going to lose momentum. I'm going to reshift and refocus that on moving forward. And once this leg is back to normal, I'll be good. We'll be running again. I'll be training, going for that 2.30 marathon. But I think a lot of people reached down and thinking that my whole soul was crushed. When this happened, I'm like, yeah, it sucks.

But, like, it's part of it. Now I get to put all this focus towards the BPN community this weekend, running the Austin marathon, the athletes, get to cook steaks for you guys today after your workout. Like, just keep moving forward. But that's it. Like everything you just said, it's, because I've struggled with injury in the past and I've been like, oh, my, God, I can't believe, I can't, whoa. Like, injury sucks. Like, it actually does.

Like, it today is definitely, like, a difficult thing to get through. For sure. But, yeah, I've had it. in the back, even with I tore my forearm in December, and I just didn't train it. And people, people were almost like mortified for me for this. I was like, no, no, honestly, like I'm good. Like I was really focused on like the businesses. I was spending so much time with my friends. I just moved. I'd moved cities. So I was spent, I was meeting new people. I was spending a lot of time on my own in Manchester because I've never been a city girl before. I was so excited.

And I realized at that point, I was like, oh, I am actually. if I do get injured or these things happen, there's other things that I can focus on, which is still helping me move towards goals in different ways. But it doesn't have to be based around me competing or me training or doing different things. And I also think with fitness, because as I said before, it is very much part of my life. Depending on obviously what injuries you get and things like that, I can try new sports. Like I could do some cycling. I don't usually cycle.

but my sister's training for 70.3. They're all in Lanzarotti at the moment. I'm going to fly out and meet them. Go on the bike with them. Like try different things. Do some swimming. And yeah, like almost just not pigeonhole myself and attach myself, which is why I said I don't attach myself to running to high rocks to the gym.

It's, yeah, fitness as a whole is part of my life. But if an injury does happen now, I'm in a far better headspace to, I agree with that to deal with it. That's the best part about cross-training. Yeah. It's like, how can I train? Let's learn something new. Let's try something different.

The goals will shift a little bit, but I'm going to keep me in my body. Yeah. That's not going away. No. We might have like slightly covered this, but I do want to ask this question because I think there's some really valuable, like, direct key takeaways that we can share with people. what is one mindset shift you've made recently that has transformed your life? This is very recent because I've only just finished the book.

And I don't know if you will have read it or listened to it, but it's called the Latin Theory. Oh, yeah. Mel Robbins. Yeah. Yeah, I love that book. That changed my perspective on a lot of things. I've always been aware of my Robbins. I think she's absolutely fantastic.

I like how she speaks. I like how she comes across. And I read like a certain genre of books, and this one was recommended to me. Like I like a lot of business books and things like that. I thought, oh, let them theory. I probably need to let a few things go. It is one of the best book.

I actually listened to it on my runs, the let them theory in terms of, The reason this changed my life so much is because, and it was a complete mindset shift. It's not just a book that, oh, no, no, I really use this now. Not wholeheartedly, not my whole life isn't based on let them. But the idea that you cannot control other people's mindsets or how other people react, you can't control every single situation, and you just have to, a lot of the time, let them, let them be, let them do what they need to do, stop trying to control everything.

There's not, there's not things that I can control in my life. There's also things that I can't. And one of those, the biggest things is other people's emotions, how other people feel, what they're doing. I think people might pick up from this podcast that I do care a lot about what other people think and I try not to, but I struggle with it. I, you know, socials or friends or family or whatever it is. I'm like, oh, what are they?

Let them. Let them think what they're thinking. Let them have the emotions that they're having. Let them say what they want to say to me and then let me. And it allowed me to have a lot of self-acceptance about myself. And also, I guess, a high level of respect for me and my boundaries of not always trying to please be. people. I do that quite a lot. I think I do things sometimes just to make other people happy.

I'm good at having hard conversations. But sometimes I'm like, oh, I just want to make them happy. I can't control it. Let them, let them do what they've got to do. I can't control every single situation. And it kind of, I guess, is almost tied into the live a little, because I'm then not worrying so much about what other people are doing that I can't control or that I'm not that happy with or whatever it is. It's okay. You've just got to, you've got to let them move on from it. So that's a mindset shift that I've had of thinking. And it, it's relaxed me quite significantly. Yeah, Steph shared that book with me and I really enjoyed it. You know, example, like you were kind of like getting to, if you pulled out of a race

and the fear was that other people would start talking about that being a lot. weakness or the Lucy Davis isn't as tough as she used to be. Let them think that. Yeah. Let them. Who cares? It's very freeing. It's completely freeing when you do listen to even and she speaks quite heavily on like friendships and relationships and whatever it is. You've just got to let them. So I actually would advise people to listen to that book. And it's even if you're kind of like not going through something. I think you learn a lot from it and it's very valuable to maybe how we should live our lives to a degree. Yeah, I thought it was a good one. One that I wanted to share, a mindset shift that I've made, I think over the last couple years, is acknowledging that you

don't need a title to start acting like you've already achieved it. And I was spending time with one of our athletes, Sally McRae, she's a good friend of mine. And we were talking, this is probably a few years ago. And, you know, Sally's a professional athlete, professional runner. She's like, Nick, you're not a professional athlete, but you train and you eat like one. I was like, yeah, you're right. I don't have that title. And I might never have that title.

But I'm still going to, like, when I set a goal, I'm going to act like I'm a pro. I'm going to train like a pro. I'm going to recover like I'm a pro. I'm going to eat like a pro. I'm going to have the mindset of a pro. Being professional is not a title. It is a mindset and a practice. And that mind shift was truly like revolutionary for me.

And I want people to think that same way. You don't have to be a pro. You don't need the title to start acting like it. I absolutely love that. And that's so true. it's, I think almost when I first started getting into running, I was a little bit embarrassed to say that I started running because it didn't really tie with just like going to the gym and had all this muscle and whatever I was doing. And I almost put a self-limiting

belief onto me that I'm not this. So you can't, quite negative, like around it. You can't do this, you can't do that. You don't look like a runner. You're not this. I almost started to say to myself, you are a runner and are having more of a positive outlook on those, because I'm exactly the same way, I'm not a professional athlete, but everything that I do and like how I choose to live my life and being, and I'm not, it's like the business thing. I'm not the most successful business and, but you almost put those limiting factors on yourself and you pigeonhole yourself by saying you're not that. So I can relate to that a lot. I think that's a, that is a fantastic mindset shift. If you view yourself as an amateur, you're going to train like

an amateur, you're going to eat like an amateur, you're going to think like an amateur. Yeah. It's a mindset. Game changing. I like that. I feel like people will take a lot away from this podcast because even I've taken a lot away from it. This is one of my favorite conversations. Yeah. I mean, I feel like. I feel like. Like I've been sat here sweating because I've, I've definitely, they're really, they're like hard conversations to almost have with yourself. You're, I find you very easy to talk to because we do have like a similar, even though at different stages of life, there's like similarities.

But then us having this conversation for your audience, it's like, okay, well, this is probably going to help people. So even if it feels a little bit hard to open up about certain things, that's okay because like I said before, it'll probably make me even more confident moving forward and you open up to a level of bravery. And if people had comments off the back of this, it's that whole thing of where I'm like, okay, let them. Let them. Let them. You have your comments. I'm good. One of the best things Steph has ever shared with me is that sometimes people don't need advice. They just need to know that they're not alone. And that if someone else is going to

going through something similar, they might not need or want the answers of how to climb out of it, but know that they're not the only ones trying to navigate it. And that in itself is like, okay, this is normal. Yeah. I'm okay. I'm going to make it through it. It's not just a me problem. Yes. And that's true. I think everyone can relate to people in different ways. And yeah, I think from maybe an outside perspective, this conversation might shock a lot. lot of people from me because when I land in Texas, people are like, but you glow differently in Texas. I'm like, okay, I don't want to come across fake

because I am so happy and I feel great, but this conversation is important because we need to share to other people. I am so happy and I feel really good and I really do and I can feel it in my call. But also I'm dealing with things at the moment and that's important to share that you can glow and you can be happy and be dealing with things

and still get through. Like you can still move forward, even through more difficult times where you're still trying to navigate your mindset or is it your physical health or whatever it would be. You don't have to be stagnant during those processes. I'm very much moving forward through this

and it's a hard period to move forward through but I don't feel stuck and I just, I need people to recognize that you can definitely move forward through more difficult times as well. You can still keep moving forward even if you're dredging through some mud. It's just you're not moving

as fast, but you're still moving forward. Yeah. Well, Lucy, another great conversation. Three podcasts down. I know. The next one will be the fourth when I'm back in March and then May, the last one standing, fifth one. I can't wait for you to see the ranch for this race.

I'm so excited. I'm putting like so much time and effort into this ranch build out. The trails are going to be so nice. Like, oh, I cannot wait for you to see it. I can't wait for that race. It's going to be, you know, I'm, I'm so. secretly confident about that race. I'll tell you that.

Everyone's thinking, oh, these people, I'm also doing it. You view it. Yeah. It's mindset. It's mindset. It's great.

All right. Until next time. Until next time. Signing off. Thank you so much. Thank you.