The Okay Podcast Powered by The Strength Co. - EP 18: Pork Rolls, Billy Martin & MARSOC feat Andy Herbert

Episode Date: May 3, 2024

Today we were joined by a marine buddy and special guest Andy Herbert. Podcast Hosts: Grant Broggi: Marine Veteran, Owner of The Strength Co. and Starting Strength Coach. Jeff Buege: Marine Veteran, Outdoorsman, Football Fan and Lifter Tres Gottlich: Marine Veteran, Texan, Fisherman, Crazy College Football Fan and Lifter Check out BW Tax: https://www.bwtaxllc.com TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Intro 01:37 - How Long Is The NLP? 02:44 - Learning To Grind 06:08 - Jeff Joins! 08:57 - Hockey 11:14 - Soccer Leagues  17:14 - Baseball 20:11 - The NFL Draft 23:11 - Mike Tyson Fight 26:40 - Andy Herbert Joins! 28:58 - Tres Story 30:36 - Andy’s Marine Career 41:26 - New Jersey Culture 01:00:43 - Billy Martin 01:04:16 - Jersey Turnpike 01:07:35 - Andy’s Training 01:15:14 - BW Tax Jersey Style 01:19:03 - How To Train for MARSOC Selection

All right, and welcome back to episode 018 of the OK Podcast powered by The Strength Co. I'm your host, Grant Brogy, here in studio from the upstate of South Carolina with PJ, where the price of Bitcoin is $60,212. But remember, since episode 001, we're still up about 20,000. So do not fret whatsoever. Things are still on the up. If you're freaking out, then you shouldn't be freaking out. Bitcoin Anomics, like Bidenomics, except with Bitcoin. Yeah, it's the same thing, except it's not. It went below 60 for a hot second there. Oh, no. Did below 60. So I guess it's over. Sell it below 60 for a hot second there. Oh, no. Did below 60.

So I guess it's over. Sell it all. What's the block height? Got to wait for this little thing to tell us. Yeah, we can wait for the block clock. Shout out, Zach Copley. That was a great gift. Great.

This has really added a lot of ambiance. I think so. All right, block height. We don't need to wait for the robots. 841,57575 today there you go today april 30th the end of the month in the year of our lord 2024 we've been coming at you 18 weeks and the show is going on so much that i am i'm gonna say i'm not watching the bruins game but i watched the first two periods and i have a feeling my cell phone will probably come out late in the third, but we're recording anyway, but it's playoff season and you really

have no other chances. Do you want to miss a Celtics game? Do you want to miss a Bruins game? We got to record anyway, just like get a lift when you don't want to. How long is a novice linear progression? How many weeks is that? Because we're 18 weeks into the podcast. Oh, when do we finish our NLP for the podcast? Yeah. So four weeks in a month. Yeah. About now. Yeah. I usually say, so Ripto would say six to 12 months. Okay. But I would make the argument that once you're an advanced novice, you're not really a novice anymore. There's a lot like you're not running the bread and butter program of three sets of five. Yeah. Yeah. And like there's, there has been changes if you've done it. And just having coached a bunch of normal everyday average people, most people don't

want to put on a bunch of weight, so they're not putting on a bunch of weight. And so that limits, you know, how long that thing goes anyway. So could someone run it upwards of a year? Yes. But most people, I think about three months, you're starting to change a lot of programming variables. And yeah, week 18. We're almost done with our NLP. Yeah.

We're advanced novices at podcasting. So if the quality is still bad. That's embarrassing. That's your fault. We know what you're doing. Speaking of that, we switched up. Fiance is going up one pound increments. I got my little plates, my little micro plates.

Oh, you got half pounders. Yeah. Well, I realized that you need more than a half pound because you put the half pound on and say you're a 60 pound bench press. Go to 61. How do you get to 62? Yeah. You need one pound.

Yeah. So you need like all the increments to get from 60 to 65. Or just 0.75 pounders. That would be nice. If only someone made something like that. If only there was more than five people in the world that believed in going up by a pound at a time. They should though. I might make them. Yeah, but they just don't. And most people aren't consistent enough to even need to do that. Right. right well so that was an example of today so we lifted earlier she went from 60 pounds on her bench press 60 or three sets of five and then went to 61 and just looking at it not a coach but I've done this for a little while I was looking at I was like

that was the right increment to go up yeah like that was it was a Like that was, it was a grind. Yeah. It was a grind. Good thing you got strength coat plates in there. Thank goodness. Because otherwise the pound wouldn't make a difference. Right. Well, they're not strength coats, so who knows if they're a pound or not. Well, I just mean, but there are variable that's not changing. Oh, that's true.

Whereas if you're in a commercial gym and you have, you know, a bunch of cheap plates. And you can't, you don't know. You don't know. Did my five by five today. Did you get three 25, three 25, five by five. That was a slog.

That was a slog. How long between sets? Oh, like six, seven minutes out. It was, I was taking my time. I had luxurious rest periods,

but I have to sometimes it was a slog, but you got it. Yeah. Got it. That's tied to PR. That's tied to PR. Yeah. So three. That's tied to PR. That's tied to PR. Yeah. So three 26 next time. Yeah. But, uh, it's good. But so if you want to do that much work, you'd be mad if you only went up a pound. That's true. You'd be like, ah, like that wasn't worth

it. That's true. Seven minutes of rest. I should have made a five pound PR. You got to learn how to get through that. Like there's training and then there's just the grind of, Hey, you got to mentally get through this and get yourself under the bar. Five by five. So mental. Yeah. We've talked about that. My, uh, my lifting partner back in the day, um, his name is Troy. Uh, if you're listening and, uh, we would lift before school and during high school together. And I remember, I don't think, I mean, I probably got some novice gains from it, but like we trained so wrong, right? Like we would go into the gym and it's back day. We're like, all right, before we start back day, we'll just do 50 pull-ups just

to grind ourselves into the ground. And then we would do, we'd probably do 30 sets of like to failure back exercises. Oh yeah. And we would do that every like five days a week. Sounds great. Yeah. And I'm pretty sure we completely did too much volume. We probably were not recovered. Probably weren't eating enough. 16. Oh yeah. I was like, this was 14 to 17. Yeah. Yeah. It's fine. It's fine. But you know what that taught me though? I don't, you know, the, the training was questionable, but it taught us to grind because we would basically compete like on how much pain we could take before they quit, you know? And I think that was good. I think that was important. Learning to grind is the hardest part, especially for self-taught lifters

thinking that something's hard and it's not as hard as it, as it seems. Uh, let's get Jeff in here. hard yeah and it's not as hard as it as it seems uh let's get jeff in here jeff in the house we uh got started a couple minutes ago talking a little training but uh trey's out again he'll be back next week and uh have some big news for the for the listeners and fans so uh big trey you're missed but uh we can't break tradition so episode 018 of the okay okay okay podcast uh powered by strength co yeah we're getting better at that we're getting it down uh jeff where are you at your camera looks good man uh did you get a lot of springs wow did you get a facelift you look yeah i got a facelift no i got i got my ears lowered ah yeah man your setup looks good my ears lower it's the mobile

podcast studio it's expeditionary uh proof of concept out here war fighting doctor in nailing down ttps sops all that good stuff yeah it's good are you uh are you training or you out there for fun uh training well i mean kind of fun i don't know are you doing a planning conference yeah it's the the final planning conference uh the fpc i'll be in the ipc next week for mine getting ready for mbc yeah okay okay okay okay okay okay got it so you're out there uh you're on orders can't do anything stupid you're a real marine right now real marine real marine yeah yeah simplify well go ahead go for it oh yeah the syndrome driving through colorado like oh all the green uh like crosses and oh those yep the colorado

variant of pharmacies all right ah i thought it was legal yeah i thought it was legal i went in and told him i had a headache um yeah i forgot about those pharmacy things is it completely legal there yeah you just think they were the first one, right? It's worse than California there. I think so. I think so. Yeah, just in terms of like the... Because the weed culture in California, I mean, obviously, there's a lot of people smoking weed,

but it's like predominantly like surfer, what you think from the movies, like 1970s, what's up, bruh? And don't get me wrong, I'm sure there's plenty of gangs running and doing weed and probably pot smokers will laugh at me for my weed cake in california but colorado like everyone's just high everyone's laying in the whole seven yeah rocky mountain mountain high oh bingo so it's like going to a cvs to just pick up some weed pretty much wow wow that's incredible

so we've heard wow yeah yeah yeah i don't i don't visit those establishments don't partake yeah uh we kind of got a lot to cover uh love it and i don't know know which way you want to go. We have about 15 minutes before our guest comes on. Playoff hockey is underway. What's jumping with that? Yeah, intermission between the second and third period. They're tied 1-1 against the Maple Leafs. They had a terrible first period, only two shots on goal. But yeah, exciting game, playoff hockey.

Everyone's fighting, but they're playing terrible. I don't know you know, everyone's fighting and, you know, uh, but they're playing terrible. I don't know how it's one, one, it should be like five, one maple leaves, but hopefully Marshan turns it around in the third and they pull it out. Uh,

Carolina's up three, one, I think I saw. Um, but yeah, it's, uh, that first round,

it's like, it's like a whole different game when it switches to playoffs. Like it's just so much more. Do you watch much of it, Jeff? A little bit. Yeah, Kaylee's into it. So we'll get home, and if she's home, we'll put the games already on. Or when she gets home, I'm like, what hockey game's on?

Yeah, so that's fun. This is actually kind of an underrated sports time of year because there's no football. Oh, yeah. You have college baseball going, entering the regional soon. You have NBA playoffs. That's been pretty fun so far. And what's amazing about NBA playoffs and hockey playoffs is if someone gets hurt, it's detrimental to the whole thing. You've got a football team. Okay, if your quarterback gets hurt, obviously like detrimental to the whole thing like now you got a football team okay if your quarterback gets hurt obviously that's really bad and if you have a good safety get hurt it's

really but there's so many more factors where it's like your five guys and your center you know sprains his calf it's like oh man like do you even have a shot anymore? But anyway, playoff sports. This is a good time of year for sports. I mean, you said no football, but I saw this game on the other day. Was it called the UFL or something? No. What is it? Yeah, something

like that. There's like a spring football they're trying to make happen. Yeah, I don't know. You're making a football joke. No, not a football joke no no yeah like american football you know oblong brown thing that they throw through the air the piglet spinning piglets that's right uh i hadn't seen that i did see though today um there was i was somewhere i was working on my laptop and all of a sudden i just i had my noise canceling headphones on and all of a sudden i just heard people like erupt and i was like i bet they're soccer fans

and i turned around and they were like screaming at a tv that had soccer on uh what was what was today today is uh semi-finals for the champions league which is like the big tournament where like tournament where like so each country in europe like has their own like soccer league and then depending on how big your league is and how well it does you know so like the english premier league gets its top four teams are then entered into the next season's champions league so at the end of the season top four teams go to the champions league same for like la liga so the spanish league the italian league i think it's four teams uh germany's league gets four teams and so they all like you know the biggest names in european football are all in a tournament and now they're down to the semi-finals so it's like it's a big deal a lot of money so it's a tournament it's not like a regular season

it's like a tour it's a tournament that happens like within every season yeah yeah it's kind of funky and like so like the best teams it's kind of crazy how many games like they end up playing if they're like so like last season manchester city won the premier league. Oh gosh. What else? They went, they went in the champions league and another like big tournament. So like they literally played every possible game that they could basically. And it's just insane.

How many games those guys play? Yeah, I can't, we need a flow chart. So it's like the all-star game, but with teams and it matters and it matters yeah so would you rather win the premier league or the championship league that's a good question we were talking about this the other day with some with kaylee and a couple of people that at work that watch

soccer also i think the league i think like the premier league because oh slang for okay they're both leagues they're both leagues but yeah yeah yeah because it's like you have to put together like a whole season it's just like a longer grind i think for the premier league yeah i think yeah yeah and like some teams you know well not so much in the premier league but like the other some of the other tournaments like all right early stages like you'll rest some of your players so you'll kind of play like your b or even like your c team in like the early rounds just to kind of like get through them but i don't know champions league is is pretty cool to win okay but and that's it was the semi-finals semi-finalsifinals, yeah. I actually don't.

I did not see the score. You've been up in the air getting your frequent flyer miles. I was in the Amex lounge doing fit reps. That's the best. Nothing like a good fit rep. It was good. Let's see. Okay, so it was a draw.

2-2. Just to make it more simple, we'll just throw draws into the mix so they play like two they play two legs so they'll play a home and away i mean i would imagine to play soccer you need two legs you need two legs it really helps you gotta have two legs but yeah so it was a real madrid versus bayern munich so like two of the like the biggest teams historically in European um European soccer so Germany and a Spanish so what's two legs mean so like they'll play one game in in Munich so Bayern Munich will play at home and then next week they'll play in uh madrid so like each team gets a home game like means game and then it used to be that like away goals cat like were worth more so then they take the aggregate of the goals scored for your

team and that's how you go forward so that's too complicated it's dude just make it a score a score it's like europeans a pound is 2.2. No, dude. Because it's 1 kg. It's like, why? No, man. It doesn't make any sense. I don't like that there's draws. I don't like that.

It's fine. It just makes it dramatic. Because there's away goals that are worth more. But yeah, I know what you mean. You know, I think it's solved that by just making winners and losers. But they play two legs. So if the second game's two two who wins then they'll go into uh i think they'll go right into penalty shootout or like they'll do

like uh yeah extra time or overtime and then eventually it'll go into a penalty shootout if they if no one scores they're over complicating this is this like some big massive play to make more ad dollars or something oh Oh, it probably definitely is. There's so much money in the champions. It's crazy. It's crazy. Can't have one game with a winner and a loser. Can't do that.

No, no way. What do we play here? FIFA? Uh, here is MLS. So major league soccer. Okay.

And then our like regional. So like the U S team plays in what's called the CONCACAF. And I can't remember what that means, what that stands for. CONCACAF. Yeah. We have a soccer team here. Do we? Yeah, Greenville.

Is it the Swamp Rabbit soccer players? No. Same teams, they just march's, uh, same teams. They just march them out. Yeah. No, hang on. Uh, Greenville SC soccer triumph.

Yeah. Greenville triumph. Ooh. What league is this? Uh, three time USL league. USL. I wonder if that's like,

if you have to think about it, it's not that big. I think that's maybe like a minor league of MLS. Yeah, it's some type of minor league, but it's kind of a big deal. People get into it. You went to a baseball game recently, right? Yeah, I went to the Greenville Drive game, which

is the high A team for the Red Sox, but they have a moniker called the Rana del Rios. Rana del Rios, Rania del Rios. So river frogs, which I didn't know. And so like,

I don't know. They, they were honoring the upstate historic Latina, Latin, Latin, Latin, Latina, Latino,

Latin X, Latin, not Latin X, just Latin presence. And yeah, so like they came came out in pink jerseys, and they had river frogs, and it was kind of interesting. And they were playing Spanish music all night. And our neighbors gave us tickets.

And so I was texting the neighbors. I'm like, did you just give us this? Because Diana's Mexican, and you guys didn't want to go on Hispanic night. And they said no. But it was pretty funny, because they have a little hype man running around with his microphone he's like all right now we're gonna we got you know uh freddy and willie out here and they're gonna spin around for 10 seconds on this baseball bat and then run and grab this base you ready uno dos he like, he's like Cinco. Oh, what's up? Sais. And I'm like, he really

doesn't know how to count in Spanish. Like I feel like this dude did no prep. He didn't know prep. Minor league games. Nice though, because we went at the start and we stayed till the seventh inning stretch and it was a tie game and we're both like, all right, time to

go home, go to bed now. And you don't you don't worry about don't worry about it at all. It doesn't matter. Baseball games are the best, just hang out sport, sporting event to me. Like you just go, you're eating a hot dog. You're chilling. It's like no pressure. If you get up in the middle of something, like everybody's walking around, I feel like it's the most chill game to go to. Like if you're at a basketball game or a football game and it's your team, like you're invested, you're not, you're not breaking focus the entire time, but it's like a, it's like a, just a big hangout session at a baseball game. You know, I got to get down there. Yeah. Oh, you haven't been not this isn't. Oh yeah. Isn't that ballpark kind of like modeled after Fenway? Yeah. They have a replica of the green

monster to scale. I mean, it's smaller, but yeah i mean it's smaller but yeah so it's it's that's cool it's pretty cool yeah it's pretty cool and they're a high red sox team so like there's been like tristan cassis it's the first basement for the red sox and when i first came here like three years ago he was playing first base for high a but that's the problem with high a it's like if you get someone good they go to double a and they go triple a and so it's just like constantly changed so it's like oh they want like the greenville drive won the playoffs and it's like oh the greensboro grasshoppers must have had that home run hitter they had get called up or you know it doesn't it's just crazy yeah yeah yeah and everyone looks like they're in high school all

the players which is yeah they probably Yeah, because they probably just were. Yeah, they probably just were. Yeah, they look something like that. We got anything else on the sports topics? Sports topics. Got any takeaways from the NFL draft? What do you think about the Patriots? What, the snagged two quarterbacks?

Yeah, well, the Tennessee guy, who is it, Milton? Milton, yeah. Who's the other one? Drake May, UNC. Oh, yeah, yeah. Wait, Patriots didnke may unc oh yeah yeah wait patriots didn't take drake may did they they didn't i thought they did no drake may went first no that was kayla williams drake may jalen polk yeah that's right yeah yeah patriots did take drake may yes yes you're right yeah you're right uh i got thrown off because michael buckley ventura meat company

was messaging me about the Tennessee guy. Yeah, Drake May. I mean, I think it's – I mean, we got nobody right now. So I think it's fine. I think the draft is really – you know, in the past, I liked it, but only because Bill Belichick would, like, make weird picks. Yeah. And so it was just interesting to be like oh look he picked this

you know whatever because there's a left-footed spiral or left left-sided spiral when he punts it you know or whatever and so i would follow up for those reasons mainly but i've never really like watched it uh i think i watched it when clowny got drafted um but i was watching that detroit there was like 250 000 people that went into the city there were so many people and i'm like who would travel to a draft outside of like your son is yeah you know gonna go in the first round of course like you're gonna go to that but as a fan of a team yeah i don't really understand that i'd rather just spend money and go to a game and it seems like less and less players

like go yeah or actually at the draft when they get drafted i don't know and i guess it's in green bay next year which i'm like that's interesting like very small town i mean i think the city itself will probably like rally around it and be hyped on it but i'm like oh i wonder what that's like going to be for the out-of-towners traveling in yeah yeah um yeah i don't know i didn't really i saw drake may because my mom's big chapel hill fan so you know the patriots got him i was like that was interesting spencer rattler went in the fifth round to new orleans and it's the first quarterback to be drafted in 25 years like I paid attention to that yeah but no I like I didn't I'm not I didn't watch it closely to have really any super intelligent

takes on on what happened my only like take on it I thought it was interesting because you know that these like GMs and all the front office people and there's people crunching numbers and watching hours and hours of film and then i felt like a lot of people's draft strategies just got like blown up like when like quarterbacks just started coming off the board and people were like we do we need a quarterback like we're getting a quarterback i don't we don't care we need a running back we need a linebacker we need an offensive lineman we have we already have 10 quarterbacks but we're getting a quarterback and you know mike tyson said everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face that's right yeah that's what the draft is how's his training going dude that guy is terrifying i watch every single one of his instagram guy jake paul it's i think it's july

20th and uh dude's looking sharp you You know, it's funny. Some people just have talent. Like they're just born to be something. And even at 57, 58 years old, I watched Jake Paul training and I watched Mike Tyson training and I see Jake Paul and I go, he looks like he's learned and practiced boxing for a few years. Like he's been training. He looks like a good boxer. And then you look at Mike Tyson and you go, there's just something in that guy that was built meant to punch someone. Like he moves like no one else. Just like the sound of him hitting the pads. You're like, Oh, who's better. Jake Paul or Logan Paul at paul at what boxing jake paul youtube does logan do that too

he did it a little bit yes yeah he did an exhibition with floyd mayweather actually yeah yeah yeah got whooped but that's not too which one did you meet a jake i'm a jake i met logan at the arnold there you go and he was filming himself classic content logan he's jacked yeah he is jacked they're big boys big boys i'm pumped for this fight though i mean i'm real pumped with it the only thing i'm worried about with tyson is that one his conditioning because he's gonna be 58 and i just i just don't think he's gonna be able to take hits like he would be able to when he was younger. I think that's true. His speed and his knockout power and his skill up there, still up there. But I'm like, if this goes deep, I'm kind of worried about the man. Well, I'm sure if you're interested in watching it,

Jeff, then you'll have like some type of Marine requirement that'll prevent you from watching it. Probably. Yeah. So if you want to watch it, just don't think about it don't look at the date and you know it'll be on that i'm sure you can yeah that's how that goes yeah it's getting yeah yeah uh streamed on netflix yes oh interesting isn't that crazy yeah yeah didn't tyson have a another exhibition what did he do one here recently yeah um with who was that guy tyson and um tyson recent fight what was his name holyfield roy jones jr oh okay okay roy jones jr is that bones jones is no different different guy but bones jones is like ufc oh that's right because he he trains with big Stan Efferding.

Oh, nice. He's got a big deadlift. I think he pulls like 600 or something. I watched a lot of that fight though with Tyson and Roy Jones Jr. Because I was like, okay, this will be like a peek into how I think maybe he'll do

with Jake Paul. Maybe this is like a window into what's possible. And he definitely looked older, but dude still got it. He still, he, he didn't, maybe it might've been like a tie or something like that, but I think you, I think you, I thought you hate ties. I hate ties. I'm, it's not my rule. I hate ties, but yeah, if you guys start talking,

if we start talking about like boxing and UFC on the podcast, then I'll, then I'll participate in the sports conversations. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. Dana White, Donald Trump,

kid rock. I'm in topics. I love it. Yeah. Perfect. Uh, all right, let's get a big Andy in here.

Tom check. Uh, looks like he's also in a hotel room. Uh, you bet your, you bet your, am I allowed to curse on this thing? You just be you, Andy. You just be you. Then you bet your ass I am. Oh, I thought you were going to say you bet your sweet bippy. Oh no, I come, I come, I got my cannon cockers sticker here.

If you notice it's not put on that well because I let some of my Marines do it, and so they didn't know how to put a sticker on a water bottle. Yeah, water. Water. And with that, we'll introduce you to the folks because we do a great job of getting guests on, talking to them, and then never

saying how we know them or how. We're professionals. Yeah. Captain Andrew Herbert, USMC. You got out in what? Like 2020? June of 2021. June of 2021. We'll dig into his Marine Corps career, what he did, what he did after,

because he did some kind of like contractor government scam right after he left active duty or something like that. But Jersey boy and through and through Penn State grad, big Penn State fan. And one of the great things about the Marine Corps is it just brings together different personalities and you have to work together whether you want to or not. I'm not saying we didn't want to, but it was just funny. You got like biggie Southern Georgia guy, me, South Carolina, but likes Boston sports.

And then you just got Jersey, baby. There's someone missing here. Yeah, yeah. So big Trey couldn't make it today. We'll announce next week why, but some cool stuff happening there but as my mother would say it's not my news to share. Mom why didn't you tell

me that Jameson did so and so well he told me but he didn't tell me if he told you and it's not my news it's his news so it's Trey's news but we'll let him share it next week but he was sad that he was missing you today. Oh, man.

I can't tell you how sad I am to miss him. Yeah. I have a good Trey story I was going to share. I might share it anyway. Yeah, go for it. You definitely should. You should lead off of that. Even better.

So Trey and I didn't necessarily... I don't think Trey and I saw eye to eye on a lot of things. Just because he's taller than you? Yeah, no, because of his height. Classic. I was trying to put a good foot forward. You guys are living in the Dana Point house.

What a house. Up the hill to the right. I think the street was named Fish or something. Summer Wind. Yeah, whatever. Anyway, I walk in and you guys had a great vinyl collection. Grant, I know you're a big vinyl guy.

You guys had a great vinyl collection. Trey had some of his vinyls there. And one of the bands that I'm a fan of that Trey's also a fan of is Future Islands. And I go over over i was just getting into future islands at the time i go over i see right on top of the new future island vinyl and i grab it i'm looking at i'm like yo who's future island vinyl is this is yours grant and i hear trey from like around the corner you would have thought i killed his dog yell at the top of his lungs put that fucking thing down don't touch my shit and I was like

oh alright I like Future Islands but he's like put it the fuck down don't touch my shit so did you put it down? yeah I put it down anyway good to see you too

where's Devin? He'll listen to this Friday morning and then he'll next week when we record, he'll let us know if that's true or not. And I'm sure we'll talk about it in the following week. Yeah. So you came in, came to Tango. You know, I left Tango in 16.

Jeff, you left in what, 15? And then typical Marine Corps stuff, it's like you just lose track with people. I mean, we got that group thread. You text once in a while. But kind of like, what did you do then your next five years? So you did eight total, right? Yeah, I did eight total years active duty.

That's right. So what did you do? So you finished up in 511, like XO position, I assume. total right yeah I did eight total years active duty that's right so what did you do so you finished up in 511 um like XO position I assume or uh no so rather than do the XO job I wanted to get some sort of out of Camp Hamilton experience uh so I went over to Sierra on the second UDP to Okinawa as like liaison officer. So, Roy Dlam was the XO. I went over as the liaison officer and did liaison work with MEF, with the Air Force Special Forces, with the Koreans and the Japanese for integrating HIMARS in that, you know, it was the second time we've brought HIMARS into that theater.

And it was actually really cool. I got to do a lot of high level briefing and bringing them up to speed. And then you guys are familiar with that high rain mission. Well, you can blame me for it. Did you guys do the first one? Well, I, so the army had been doing something and I helped incorporate it into the, like the high rain terminology was something the airport had on a couple of slides and we just grabbed it and ran with it.

I know what it is. Jeff knows what it is. But for the listeners, for PJj just like explain the 30 second sound clip of the high rain yeah high rain is short for high mars rapid infiltration and you put a high mars launcher on the back of a c-130 or c-17 um you bring it into a uh expeditionary airstrip you roll the launcher off the back you fire the rockets or missiles you roll it back on and you get out of there um yeah concept bang really quick the old shoot scoot the old shoot shoot move communicate but that really took off because i mean even now in the smcr when smcr is doing a

lot more things so many these days than it than it used to but uh but yeah mean, our last AT, Jeff and I down there at Fort Hood. I mean, Fort Cavazos. Cavazos. Yeah, that was it. No, it was Delta Battery. I forget which one it was. Fox? What are you laughing at? We got to be politically correct over here.

Did they change the name of that one? Yeah, they changed it to Cavazos. I thought you were just speaking Spanish because you mentioned the gate guards. Yeah. I don't know why they named it or Cavazos or who it is, but when I would just say Fort Hood out of like, you know,

just because you know people be like, oh, no, no, Cavazos. I'm like, oh, okay. So then I was like, well well now i have to say fort hood every time just to freak people out yeah yeah all right so you come back from you oh go ahead jeff i was those poor gate guards that had like been working at fort hood for like decades like the civilian ones and like said you know had their whole spiel like ingrained in their brain we would like come into the gate and they'd be like welcome to the great place fort hood ah fort cabazos i am so sorry gentlemen i am so sorry about that come

on through i'm so sorry you're like whoa dude it's all right what is it up with the army and like prepping their gate guards to have like little sayings what would they say in the marine corps you just get living the dream sir every time are you are you this is what you're doing this was your dream to check ideas at the point you're fapped out you hate this fapped out your unit actually hit you that's why you're here you weren't performing or you did something wrong right uh so you come back from udp you're a war hero you yeah thank you redone the marine corps uh long-range artillery strike program and you get orders to i get orders to marine corps recruiting command headquarters in beautiful quantico virginia um and i got assigned as the aide-de-camp to Major General Paul Kennedy.

Nice. In relation to Robert? Loose family relations because they're all from Boston, and they're all Kennedys. So if you find a Kennedy in Boston, there's a good chance. What was it like working for a general? He was awesome. So it's very much general or admiral dependent. He was really cool.

I mean, they're all pretty demanding, but you just do. I mean, I tell people all the time, you can't do that job. You don't deserve to be a Marine officer. It's like that simple. And when people get fired, I'm like, it's probably because you just dropped the ball on something that is real. Like you messed up his schedule. You put him in the wrong uniform. You didn't have his hotel.

Right. So that's the kind of stuff you're doing is like booking his DTS for him, telling him who he's meeting with, briefing him on. Hey, sir, you're about to meet with, you know, I don't know. Yeah, that's like table stakes. I don't know. Yeah, that's like table stakes. Okay. And then the better you get at it,

you can be kind of like the protector of the office. Like, yeah, that person, you know he's in there eating a sandwich, and someone shows up, and you're like, no, that person's not going in there. You know what I mean? Like, no, he doesn't want to talk to you. Oh, he's busy right now. He's doing X, Y, and Z. and then he had direct line to the common on his direct his reporting

senior was the common on so dealing probably the most pressure situation was just dealing anything with the common out because it's so immediate most of the time um and that's a one year that's a one-year job right for you yeah that was a one year so i did that for a year um he was awesome we stay in touch still uh he got out of the marine corps um as a two-star or did he go up as a two star um as a two-star he he could have stayed but he's like now i'm done um but he got out and he i think he's doing like consulting or something. Started his own consulting firm. Shocker. He had a cool background. His experience was cool.

So it was cool to work with him. What was his MOS? Infantry. Yeah. He was Madison's Futures Plans Officer in the invasion in 03. Ramadi Battalion Commander 04. Had regimental command in Afghanistan in 2010 or 09 to 2010. So marja sang in kajaki those were him uh and then his first star command was third meb out in japan when the nepal earthquake hit and then the typhoon in the philippines so he did both of those responses so vast experience

across different parts of the marine corps really cool And then he had recruiting. He was a recruiting station commander, and he got tasked to be the commanding general of recruiting command. So you went from 511 right to their one-year gig, and then you have this weird... Really weird. Two years of availability before I can get out. Where do they put me? So yeah, i stayed in the command and i went to the marketing and communication section and i was for a job hey hey hey hey hey um yeah it was a so that's the part of the marine corps that direct liaisons

with our advertising agency so all the commercials you see on TV billboards the YouTube small clips that you get in between and all you know works to the ad agency and the direct liaison to that is the marketing communications section inside McCrick I went over to be an action officer slash national partnerships officer so I was the direct liaison for all of our national partnerships with USA Wrestling, USA Rugby, the Women's Volleyball Coaches Association, those types of organizations where we're targeting their members because we think those kids will become successful, good Marines. And we want to put, you know, raise awareness and expose them to the career opportunities in the Marine Corps.

So I would plan events, do community engagements, travel around the country, things of that nature to try and raise that awareness for their members. All right. So I did that for two years. And then you're done. Oh, and then, uh, so then on Februarybruary 27 2020 i resigned my commission

um and if you do the math on that about two weeks later the dod issued that stop loss stop move and i was faced with the internal leave i was not no so my eas was um june of 2020 and what i did was um you were like i hear there's a shot coming and i want to wait for it oh yeah that's another that's another story we won't get into on this podcast uh grant we'll talk about that j 6th offline, offline over a couple of slices in the great state. And yeah, so I resigned two weeks later, COVID happens. I had a,

I had a pretty good gig lined up or I was in the interview process with a pretty good gig for a job. And then that stopped. And long story short, I extended my EAS to September,ember got out went immediately on ados orders for a year and i was the legislative affairs liaison for the command so i worked in a small plans and research section and i answered questions from congress did you mean to get out and go in the reserves and then get put on ados or did you go out and like an opportunity came to hop on ADOS for a year um I had a good relationship with the chief of staff and they had this open up by

classic marine corps movement it was an open position they needed someone to fill hey listen you guys know who Paul D Kennedy is yeah yeah call him ask him about Herbert I can do this job basically basically um now the chief was really cool my artillery officer um so you know we take care of our own um and yeah so i did that for a year so i was answering congressional inquiries i was preparing uh statements for testimony for the generals and sergeants major and stuff like that all right as pertains to recruiting of course yeah that's good that's good. That's good. Well, I like hearing about Marine Corps careers.

Maybe like five of our listeners like hearing about Marine Corps careers. We should probably talk about other things. I've been to Jersey twice. I mean, not in my life, but in the last six weeks. I'm going to New York next week. PJ is engaged to a York next week. PJ is engaged to a woman from Jersey. This is Hickey's guy.

This is not Hickey's. What do you mean Hickey's guy? I don't know who Hickey's guy is. Oh, boom, boom, boom. Who's engaged to... I don't know who Hickey's guy is. I watched the podcast with Hickey. And?

And Hickey was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, who's this guy? Oh, yeah, that's me. I got interrogated. I was terrified the entire time, but it's fine. You got to see him over a camera. You didn't see him in real life. He'd be so scared. Yeah.

He's six foot seven. Oh yeah. I wouldn't even be there. He's a little giant. And if you ask him how tall he is, he immediately thinks you have an IQ very low. You're really tall. How tall are you? And he's like, oh, you're stupid.

But anyway, I feel like PJ, let you get your AirPods back in PJ being engaged to someone from South Jersey, which I think is really just Philadelphia. Do you have, I mean, he might have some, some questions for you, like what he needs to be warned and scared about. And you might have some questions for you, like what he needs to be warned and scared about. And you might have some questions for him. I feel like there's some good... Because you're Jersey City.

I live in Jersey City. But you're from... Point Pleasant. That's the shore side, right? That's the shore town. Like the actual Jersey side. That's like about 20 minutes. Just break down the geography of the state for us.

Break down the state. Okay. If you look at the geography of Jersey, there's like that little cut in on the coast. Yeah, that's Italy. It's like Italy. And if you put a straight line right about that area,

you get... You showing him that? Yeah, yeah yeah he's a visual learner screen yeah this is making work for Geordie I love it then we'll play a Dunkin Donuts potential sponsors because they're like every four feet but that's right yeah yeah so that is kind of like the middle line middle some people people say there is no central Jersey. I disagree. That's the first take we've had of that side of the take. Yep, yep.

Because I do feel like I'm from central Jersey. I'm the overlap gray area between north and south Jersey, right? So I believe that would be a central jersey if we're if we're using english and um so the north jersey side that's your new york uh transplants if you will and then the south jersey is your philly transplant and even the south jersey shore uh which is like the ocean city atlantic city wildwood stone harbor i call that philly by the sea because as soon as you get down there and you're below the atlantic city expressway you see more pennsylvania license plates than you do jersey license plates okay okay um so that

go ahead continue no you say that area where you know fort dix is you're like the northern part of South Jersey or like you're nearing the Central Jersey area. So what's weird about that place is, so I land in Philly. I'm like, I'm in Philadelphia. I drive for 30 minutes. I feel like I'm all in Philadelphia. I stop and eat. It's technically Jersey, but everything's Pennsylvania.

I'm in philadelphia and then all of a sudden i'm like am i in georgia because it's nothing but like maga signs and confederate flags and trucks up on blocks and farms stuff and i'm like is did i take a wrong turn on the jeff should move there yeah Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, I have not seen what my front yard looks like in Salt Lake right now. To feel at home? Is it just an interesting way that I'm going, or is there a very country... New Jersey is the Garden State. Yep, that's what they say.

Let's not forget. Let's not forget. yep let's not forget let's not forget um it has a pretty vast um area of the state that is you know farmland you know you can can we get a fact check on this i think they have more horse farms or more horses per square mile than any other state or something like that like we have a lot of horse farms and horses nice fun fact can fact. Can you ride one? No, absolutely not. I found a fact on Google, which has to be true. New Jersey has the most horses per capita with nearly 10 horses per 1,000 people.

There you go. Per capita means amount of something per people. Yep. Yeah. I'm a visual learner. That's a lot of horses. I can visual learner. That's a lot of horses. I can't remember. That's a lot of horses. That's a lot of horses. Save a horse, ride a cowboy.

That's right. Well, I have some important Jersey questions, but yeah, Biggie. Let's go to those guys first. You got any Jersey questions? Well, so my fiance is from, I don't know exactly the, exactly the town, but I think that's a red flag. Probably.

Well, it's because I've never been there. Her, her, her parents like moved to what they would say, central Jersey. So I've been there. Oh, so you don't know the hometown. Okay. I don't know the hometown, but she was around like the Vineland area. If that sounds like dead center, central Jersey, like right down there. And so, um, yeah, I was just wondering what you're, now I'm curious since you said that there is a central Jersey, because most of the people that I've talked to from Jersey, adamantly tell me, at least the people I've talked to, adamantly tell me that there's a North Jersey and South Jersey. What are people from Central Jersey like?

How are they different from the North and the South? Vineland is South Jersey. That is not even close to Central Jersey. It's Philadelphia. It's Philadelphia. Well, in Grant's world, it's Philadelphia. Yeah. That might be easier for you to understand.

My fiance would say it's Philadelphia too. She would go birds. Yeah, I's yeah she's a huge she i yeah i know she's a huge eagles fan that's the worst yeah um yeah violent uh definitely south jersey so what you should know about them the easiest way is it's just philadelphia they like the eagles the phillies the flyers so they're terrible sports fans um they live too far from the stadium to make a meaningful trip over there, so they go once a year and they make it their whole personality. It's awful.

Central Jersey. It's a big sports town. Philly? I don't know. That might be a bridge too far for me. Let's see how far I can push this. Her parents moved to the Cherry Hill Haddonfield area right across.

Very much still South Jersey, but closer. Close. Okay. So that's not central as you would say. No, no. Central Jersey for me. We're narrowing this down. I like it. It looks kind of central. So Central Jersey for me, if you use Monmouth and county as kind of your your east coast uh lateral limits and you and you square that across and i'm hoping there's like a map

you can google so many of these maps that show central i'm deep in google right now this won't even be work for him this week he's just studying his uh family yeah exactly that that's like the central jersey area okay so it's over like on the on the east side kind of a little bit well yeah if you i mean if you were bridged out across that would be your cross section if you will yeah okay so what are people from central jersey like how are they different from the north and south jersey oh man they're kind of like a combination of both okay um like i'm a short kid i'm a beach kid i grew up in a beach town right so that's kind of like my personality a little bit but i'm also italian on my mother's side irish and german like jersey people are all mutts for the most part of those three or four different uh you know cultural ethnic backgrounds um we fight over

if it's pork roll or tail or ham just as much as north jersey does i think it's pork roll but i'm a purist okay okay good have you had pork roll yet no i my questions are all about food but i wanted to go yeah around the horn here um. People wise. The thing about Jersey, it's a lot like as well. Central Jersey, in my opinion, is more like North Jersey than it is. Okay.

That might help. Okay. So she would just call it North Jersey, but I, I appreciate your take. My last question. Bonus bonus round. Have you heard of a Panzerati?

A Panzerati? It's a food. No. Describe this food. Is it like a maserati made out of it sounds like a pepperoni it's like a fried calzone looking thing panzerati yeah i don't know so that was that was something that she told me like hey there's like food here sometimes like people don't know about she's like you've never heard of a panzerati so So I was like, no, is that a motorcycle? I frequent some of like, I frequent probably the most Italian American town in New Jersey because my uncle Giuseppe lives there.

And I can tell you, I've never seen a Panzerati. This must be a Philly thing. Yeah. It might be a Philly Italian. Sounds like a German mutt Philly thing. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Jeff. the affiliate italian the philly german mutt sounds like a thing yeah yeah all right jeff my question you talked about what is pork roll like it's taylor ham is one name for it

so is it is it just ham that just they just call different names like i need a thorough breakdown of what this meat is i hope there there are New Jersey listeners here, because what I'm about to tell you is the Webster's Dictionary definition, if you will. Okay. This should be law. Straight out of the pub. Yes. So pork roll is the tissue or the like the um post-it note wouldn't be right like the tape instead of saying like scotch tape right like pork roll is the thing the actual definition of this food is pork roll taylor taylor pork roll is like the first one to go big go mainstream

from trenton new jersey so taylor pork roll is like the cream of the crop of your pork roll. Okay. So people in North Jersey wrongfully call it Taylor ham because it is like a ham. It's like a salted ham. Right. Okay. Okay. But it's a sandwich.

It's a breakfast meat for your sandwich. Okay. Okay. So bacon instead of sausage, instead of ham, egg and cheese, it's a pork roll, egg, and cheese. And so the people from North Jersey call it Taylor ham. It'd be like saying, give me a Kleenex.

It's a Kleenex tissue thing. Got it. Got it. But nowhere on the Taylor pork roll package does it say the word ham. Whoa. roll package does it say the word ham um whoa so so for street cred though if you're in north jersey and you walk into a spot that serves these things and you say hey yo give me a tail of ham give me a tail of ham and mac and cheese they're gonna yep what do you want that on boss what do you want that on boss a homie i don't know no a hard roll a bagel bagel bagel okay let me want that on boss? A homie. I don't know. A bagel. A bagel.

Let me get a man on everything, please. So what if I walked in and said I wanted a pork roll? They'll know what it is, but depending where you are, they might be like This fucking schmuck. They'll be like, yeah, you mean tail hand, buddy?

Okay. What do you call it i call it pork roll because when you go when you go into that place that you just described to me and you're ordering yours what do you say you open the door ding ding ding ding and they don't say anything well if they do i'll just tell them that they're wrong and i'll say i'll say i'll say unless that's taylor pork roll you're slicing in the back just give me my pork leg and cheese on a hard roll can i can i add something here uh this is that this is live tv here i uh sent my fiance a quick text said have you heard of pork rolls and she said oh yeah thank you for calling it a pork roll

all the a-holes in North Jersey think that's what it's called. No, I said, or should I call it Taylor ham? She said all that a-holes in North Jersey think that's what it's called. That's right. Did she say a-holes or did she write it out? She wrote it out. I'm just, I'm just guessing how dirty she was. There's a lot of words, a lot of words. Yeah. Okay. So pizza, Northeast, New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, I think undisputed the best pizza in America is in one of those three States. Yeah. Like no one likes the Detroit stuff. No one likes Chicago.

I mean, obviously some people do, but that's the best pizza. I love Detroit pizza. Oh, okay. We'll get back to that. Only Detroit pizza.

It's from Salt Lake city. I like Detroit pizza. I don't mind it. Yeah. Yeah. My rule with Connecticut too. My rule with pizza is all pizzas, good pizza for the most part,

like all pizzas edible, but some people pizzas way better. You just gave me the geography, uh, New Jersey. And based off what you told me and me being there a little bit, if I land in Philadelphia, I can go anywhere in the state within three hours.

Correct. Absolutely. Maybe within two and a half. Right. Yeah. So someone's coming into Philadelphia and they're like, Hey, I'll drive up to two and a half hours anywhere in the state to go get a slice or a pie, whatever you think is the right choice there. I generally have the camp that you buy a full pie, eat it where it never goes into the box if you want the full experience. But I come in and I say, hey, I'm landing.

I don't have to work until tomorrow. My flight gets in at noon. I want the best pizza in Jersey. Or if I need to cross state lines, I'll do it. Where do you send me? Can I get a follow-up question? From me or for you? From me to you. Are you looking for a New York style or more like your neapolitan style or what so i like new york style but my my rule is if i'm somewhere and there's a native i will listen to the native so like yes my preference is new york style um and then um margarita is like probably my second favorite so okay but if you told me you got to have this Neapolitan, it's the best pizza in the state,

I would go eat the Neapolitan set. Okay. So there's this place in Jersey City called Raza. Raza. R-O-S-A. R-A-Z-Z-A. Raza. It's like a five-minute walk down the street from my apartment and

many consider it one of, if not the best pizza in the area, but it is a Neapolitan-style brick oven. It's Bobby Flay's favorite spot. It's not even in New York. He says it's his favorite spot in New York City, and it's not even in New York City. Yeah, it shows you what he knows. He probably calls it a Taylor ham.

That was good. That was a good laugh we got out of you. That was a belly laugh. I love my pork roll. That, and I can't take your mustache seriously. Yeah, it's all right. No, Rob is one of them. There's a place in my hometown very good called Rosie's

and Point Pleasant Beach that it would be close to your New York style place those two I'd probably be like hey one of these two are good now you could throw a rock in New Jersey and find a place that you're going to be

more than happy with. That's what I've, that's what I've been. Although I'm sorry you didn't have a great experience at whatever the, I mean, that was, that was, again, it was fine. It was just, it was just undercooked and a little doughy. And I was expecting, so I'm kind of expecting I'm in the state of New Jersey. Everything's going to be a seven or above, right? Everything's going to be like on the higher end of the scale.

And the first time I, so when I'm there, I'm like, I don't, don't waste my time with Philly cheesesteaks. Get me out of Philly in the pizza country. Like that's what I want to waste these calories on. And yeah, that's what I did. But every other time I've had it, it's been great. There was another one. It was technically in Pennsylvania.

Cause I was over by Bristol area. I forget exactly where, and's been great. There was another one. It was technically in Pennsylvania because I was over by Bristol area. I forget exactly where. And they had the sauce on top. Yeah. I'll send you the link. I can't remember the name. Surprisingly, surprisingly really, really good. Because my thing is I like New York style, but I like more sauce.

I want to taste the sauce. I think that's the feature of pizza. So I think because it's on top, there was just more, but it was still thin and crisp. So I liked it. All right. So follow up question before we leave the food. So I'm coming in,

I'm in Jersey and I'm like, Hey, I want to eat the most Jersey thing I can eat. Do you send me to get pizza or do you send me to get a pork roll? Yeah. The most distinct Jersey thing you can eat that is very distinct and only found in New Jersey.

Now you can get it in some other states because Jersey people have left the state because they take 50% of your paycheck. That's a conversation for June 6th. Don't get me started, brother. Well, actually, we'll segue into'll talk about taxes in a little bit but that was my setup yeah um and um yeah so i would say the most quintessential thing you can use

as a pork or egg and cheese sandwich i prefer it on a hard roll or bagel. A hard roll like a round piece of bread you could knock on it and it's not that hard. No, it's like a Kaiser roll. It's a round roll. I don't know how many episodes you've listened to. There's been a lot. 18 of them.

I get to one every couple weeks. That's good. At the beginning I was carnivore and trade determined hard cheese is cheese that you throw at someone and it hurts when it hits. Yeah. Not the same. No.

So not the same as a hard roll. Okay. Okay. On a hard roll. So that's the most, that's quintessential Jersey. Yeah. That and any, any Italian food. Okay.

Um, I'm going to set Jeff up here before we talk about, uh, the government taking all your taxes. So Jeff has a master Sergeant right now. That's born, born and raised in Jersey. And, uh,

he tells us a story about a gentleman and, um, that was a baseball coach. And I'm just going to like kind of prompt Jeff with that. And I'm just curious if like every Jersey person knows about this or if this is a Sean Shepard original. We're talking about a former Yankees

manager who died tragically. Was it Christmas Day? Going for a drive? Christmas Day. Christmas Eve post-Night. Oh yeah, it makes more sense if it's post-Night. Billy Martin, as he would say.

We always have this joke where he's like, I think if we're out getting some drinks or something like that, and we'll jokingly say, because we Ubered there, we're going to Uber back because we have a plan. We're going to arrive alive, all that good stuff.

And he'd be like, I think Billy Martin said it best when he said i could drive apparently his last words and there's this joke that he tells yeah and he would tell it with some of his buddies from jersey like for years and like and then like he's like oh yeah when i tell the guy some of these marine uh buddies uh in te in Texas, like the Billy Martin joke, they just love it and laugh. They're like, hey, yeah, what what is that joke about? Like we he's like, you guys have been laughing at that joke for years and you don't know what it's about. So we're checking to see what your level of knowledge on Billy Martin and his his tragic demise. I mean, I'm a Yankee fan. Yeah, I'm like a dire Yankee fan. So, you know, I know i know yeah i mean

billy martin was fired like three or four times by george schreiber like yeah there's famous yeah yeah classic famous uh like him throwing his hat down and him in press conferences billy martin's a legend um and yeah he died died on christmas eve poor guy um A hell of a way to die, though, I guess. I don't know if I would make a joke. How old is this guy? 40? Yeah. 40?

Yeah. He's still in the core. I don't know what you guys do over there in the reserves. I bet he's 43. Something like that like 41 yeah at the youngest i love how everyone was just laughing at him without like they were lying to him this whole time yeah no it was hilarious yeah and that was that was the best part of it because

he was just like hey yeah so i was listening to the podcast the other day you guys mentioned billy matt and i was telling my friends like oh i got this podcast going okay and i was telling them all about the podcast and like these guys just love the i can drive and and and they just love it and the guys were just like yeah what is that joke he's like you don't know who billy mattin is and uh yeah anyway i've never heard the joke it's not a very good joke but but you could say too soon, but it works out. So shout out Sean Shepherd, Master Sergeant Marines, potential sponsor. Big Jersey guy. Yeah, big Jersey guy.

Big Jersey guy. Have we thoroughly covered New Jersey? I feel like we... Anything we missed? Bruce Springsteen, no. Yeah. I just know that you guys call it the shore. I call it the beach, but I'm from there. Whoa. Are you a shooby?

No, I'm a local. Okay. What's your thoughts on the Jersey Turnpike? I was on it today. I'm on it most days. I drive right past the beautiful Newark airport every day on the Jersey Turnpike. Is it underrated? Overrated?

It's rated. If someone makes a wrong turn on the Turnpike, are they just a moron? Or are they replaced? Did you personally make a wrong turn on the... Well, I didn't make a wrong turn i it was like one of those things where google maps is like and there's like four turns but yes i went the wrong direction and it was a 12 minute consequence

or 12 mile consequence on top of the money i didn't care about the money but it was like i gotta go 12 miles now before i can exit yeah i. I would never call my XO a moron. So yeah. Okay. I appreciate calling me XO. I can still call you XO, right? Yeah.

You can still call me XO. Is he your next guest? Uh, yeah, maybe we'll get him on. Talk about, uh, pancakes.

That'd be electric. That'd be great. That'd be great. Uh, okay. Let's just get a couple of hot takes from you. And then we want to talk taxes with you. NHL playoffs.

I know the devils aren't in there. No, you hate the Rangers. I do. Hot take. Who's, who's winning the cup. I,

I like the Panthers right now. Okay. The rats. Yep. And I know you don't love that. Last year was tough. That was brutal. But I mean, I'm just curious who you think is going to win yeah I think the Panthers are

built pretty good I honestly wouldn't be shocked if you see the Vegas Knights squeak out through the rest of this the rest of their series with the Stars because it's the year of the back to back the Chiefs go back to back

what was I talking about my roommate yes the Chief of the back-to-back. The Chiefs go back-to-back. What was I talking about with my roommate? The Chiefs went back-to-back. They went back-to-back. The Premier League, I know you're a big soccer guy. Man City did go back-to-back, yeah. The Chiefs went back-to-back.

Now I'm losing my mind. It wasn't MLB. It wasn't MLB. It mind. Yeah, that's okay. Wasn't MLB. Wasn't MLB. Wasn't NBA. That's okay. It was a good line. Someone did. It's the year of the back-to-back so I think the Golden Knights. Okay, so out of the East, you're saying Panthers. Out of the West, you're saying

the Golden Knights. Yeah, I just don't want the Rangers. Honestly, the B's can go and I'd be fine. Yeah. Okay. All right. Got it. Basketball. You watch NBA at all? Yeah. I got the Knicks on right now.

They were on. I don't know if that game's over. I think it is. They won. Knicks won. Yeah. All right. So NBA.

Correction. Sorry. Sorry. Sixers won OT. Oh, come on. Hey. Don't let me Trust the process. The NBA, like the Knickerbockers in the East,

because I'm a Knicks fan, and in the West, the Nuggets. Yeah, I think the Nuggets, I think the Joker's the best player in basketball right now. I think the Nuggets are the team to beat. If KP for the Celtics is actually hurt with his calf, I think that they're going to have a hard time. if KP for the Celtics is actually hurt with his calf, I think that they're going to have a hard time, but if he's not that bad, I think they, they have a shot. I think, I think nuggets Celtics.

Yeah. I think, I think the Knicks can give the Celtics a run. That's why I'm okay. And then last topic for we, before we get you to talk a little bit about the, those Jersey tax laws, what's up with your training these days? So you've been kind of on and off the starting strength method. And then I don't know, maybe three months you hit me up and you were like, dude, I got to get going again. That's right. How did that go? Where are you at now? Yeah. So like September, October, I was like, I need to whatever I was doing. And I don't even know what I would call it.

It was just like a random combination of things in the gym. Um, whatever I was doing wasn't working. Uh, your, your buddy, Paul Horn, I saw he was, he was dropping radically simple strengths. Um, I bought it, read it, liked what he was putting forward, you know, starting strength methodology with kind of his programming um in that simple way it seemed like it fit for what i was looking for that time in my life so i started doing that um to include like the meal plan that he puts in there yeah so i was i was pretty i think that's probably like 80 80 80, 85%, um, committed, like consistent to the meal plan,

like, which is kind of what I, you know, I think he's looking for. That's his point is like, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Um, but yeah, I was doing the, you know, the big bowl and things like that. Um, putting on numbers, numbers are going back up. Um, I was being pretty methodical and what I'll tell you the couple of things that I noticed over the years from stopping, I really stopped lifting starting strength in like 2017, like seriously as I was like, obviously when we were all together, um, we, I was doing it pretty seriously. And then I stopped thinking, Oh, I don't know. I was being dumb. Like, Oh, I'll just use the lifts as like part of my lift

and do other things because i'm you know i got a little bored or whatever right um but i had bad shoulders i you might remember i had bad impingements when i was benching back in the camp penalty and you know the pull-ups from the marine corps my shoulders got bad so i know you had a shoulder injury we talked a little bit about that um I started incorporating like some of the stretches and as I was putting the bar back in that position and I always had tight shoulders in that position, but stretching and things like that walks through short, like my shoulder pain, I want to say entirely went away, but it dissipated a lot by just hanging from the bar and then getting under the

bar while stretching it out and, you know, getting back into the lift. And I felt phenomenal. Now, I got injured snowboarding in February. So for about three months, four months, I was doing really well. I was in there, you know, every other day or three or four times a week. Five pounds, five pounds, five pounds. Go, go, go, go, go. Yeah, five, five, five, baby.

Getting my fives, getting my numbers back up i got my deadlift and squat back over 300 pounds my bench which was always weak um was getting back in the 200 225 range and my press my press i was plateauing at like 125, and I bought the pound and a quarter weights from the Strength Co. That's a plug. That's right. Beautiful weights, by the way. Beautiful weight belt. If you didn't know, they have a beautiful weight belt. They have beautiful straps, leather straps, the best straps.

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So are you still lifting? So once for sure, I got hurt, started this new job, and I've been lifting but very inconsistent i haven't been able to find the tempo i need um the job's been pretty busy i'm down here in virginia for an on-site uh tomorrow um i've been working like 10 12 hour days so i just haven't really found that consistency but i'll get it on the weekend when i can at least get like a day you know or and one or other day in the week so i'm trying to try to keep with it but my numbers have taken you know i got hurt so my numbers took a hit from that but um it's one of those things i'm like super glad i

reached out and said hey what do you think i'm super glad i found radically simple strengths is i i don't have you know i have a different mindset about it now and like i know it's a lifelong process and just because i'm in a few months where I'm not consistent, doesn't mean that like, I can't find the time and then build back that consistency again. Cause it's being strong is a lifelong process. And if you put timelines on it,

like you want to hit goals, like that's great. But if you put timeline out, like life gets in the way, unless you're a professional lifter, like you do it, you know, granted you it's part of your life because it's part of your job and your

business. But like, like it's in the way, like, don't let that stop you from eventually getting back into it. Like my lifting shoes are right next to my, my belt. And I look at it every day and I'm like on Saturday,

I'm like, yeah, let's throw it on and get in there. It, it, it sucks. But I do something. Yeah. And I moved and I moved and get in there. It sucked. But you do something. But I do something.

Yeah. And I moved. And I moved weight up and down. Yeah. I did a consult with a guy today. I'll make this brief. And he was basically, I'm getting stuck. What do I do now?

I want to lose some weight. I've gained 15 pounds doing this thing. And I'm watching his videos as we're sitting there on Zoom. And I'm like, dude, you're deadlifting 365 for five. You're squatting 320 for five to depth like you're benching in the 200s like these lifts are great like and he's like yeah i get this like you know i really want deadlift or squat 405 for five and i'm like okay great like you should have that goal but stop missing sessions over it and just go in and do like if you if you can squat over 300 pounds for three sets of five, you're like in the 99th percentile, like just keep lifting. And he's like, well, when do

I start focusing on weight loss, fat loss? I'm like, now, like right now you're 40 and it's only harder to lose weight, get your weight down, figure out how to stay at a weight that's healthy. And then, yeah, your progress will be slower, but anyway, get back into it. All right. I stopped drinking for a while and lost 10 pounds there you go yeah you can drive you can drive you can drive love that love it um so do we need to give you some nuggets information about our sponsors bw tax or did you do some research and you're ready to rock? I have a couple different ad reads I could go off of. Wow. Wow.

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Well, we'll put some music to it, clean up the audio. And I think you got a spot on the board. Yeah, I think you made it. 100%. I think you made it. 100%. it 100 yeah you can call me i can do it again if you need me to i got a couple of on here what's the marketing i'll do ad reads for free yeah there you go well if you can find us a sponsor but the list is so long and it's a small opening for us allowing people to give us their money to take it. But with a word of advice from you and if someone comes in and they're a Jersey company and they want 500 listeners a week to hear about their product, we're going to ask them, is it a Taylor ham or is it a pork roll? That's right. If they answer that wrong, we're not taking their money. We got rules. Yeah, is it a pork roll? That's right. They answer that wrong. We're not taking their money.

We got, yeah, we got standards around here. That's right. Uh, Andy Herbert, thanks for coming on the show. Uh, any, any place that like, we saw that nice zoom LinkedIn photo you had with the bricks. That's old. Actually. Any like, do you want people to come find you or nah?

Don't find my Twitter. Okay. That's another conversation for offline. Yeah. Do you want people to come find you or nah? Don't find my Twitter. Okay. That's another conversation for offline. Yeah. I mean, if anyone's interested in looking post-military transition career advice, I did the business school route, and I do service to school mentoring with people. So if anyone wants to find me on LinkedIn, it's just Andrew Herbert. I think it's linkedin.com slash a Herbert on the Instagram, Andy Herbert one, whatever. Yeah. If you like food and you enjoyed the food portion talk of this episode,

highly recommend giving Andy Herbert one to follow. It's just constant pizza, it's just constant pizza Japani you know all kinds of pasta ramen you name it yeah that's my favorite spot so well thanks for coming on dude yeah thanks guys good to see you XO Jeff

one more you gotta give us an okay okay pretty good pretty good I'm a little upset I got no cat in this episode either. I see all the doors are closed. I'm not a cat guy, but I respect that

you are because you own it. Yeah, thanks. Devin was a cat guy first. When you get Devin on here, you got to make sure everyone knows that Deville DeSquirrel was the first cat guy first so when you get Devadon on here you gotta make sure everyone knows that Deville Descrel was the first cat guy alright dude

thanks for coming nice to meet you we just got here alright so we've been going a while. Actually, we talk sports, talk food, talk a little lifting with Herbert. I don't think I was going to get through all those questions, but a quick plug, our Slack channel, go to the shrink.co, click media. You'll see all our YouTube youtube videos you'll see links to the okay podcast

scroll down the bottom click coaching and you can join our slack channel it's 29 a month come on there's five uh starting strength coaches that moderate it the everyone on the okay podcast is on there uh and it's a lifting community it's over 200 lifters uh you post your form checks post nutrition questions hey what's the best knee sleeves? Where should I buy my belt? If you're asking about weights, it's just going to direct you to the strength.co. Sorry, we're a little biased, but you can get on there and do stuff. And one thing that we started this week is, hey, you got lifting questions, post them here in the thread. We'll read them off on the podcast and we will answer your questions. So we posted that this afternoon,

about, I don't know, maybe three hours before we started recording tonight afternoon about, I don't know, maybe three hours before we started recording tonight and got, I don't know, a dozen questions or so. We're not going to go for them all, but I think we got to go for the guy that posted the very first one because I think that started the chain reaction of them coming. And in future episodes, we'll block out a good chunk of time to read your questions and answer them. So, Jeff, why don't we hit that first one? Jeff Lerner Okay. Yeah. The first question up is from Daniel. Daniel Hales is out of Raleigh, North Carolina. So just up the road there from Grant. And the question that he wanted to put in there,

he's curious about. So, Grant, as a marine and a strength coach what strength benchmarks would you like to see and it's a little bit of a little bit of a jargon issue here what would you like to see a soldier attain before marsok selection i think he meant marine before marsok selection i will i'll bite my tongue know, snap it back. Just, you know, it's just ignorance. It's okay. It's okay. So strength metrics before a Marine attempts MARSOC selection, right?

Can you clear up what MARSOC selection is? Yeah, I'm going to clear it up. I just want to make sure I have the question down. That's the question, right? Yeah, that's the question. And I think, Jeff, you'll have some good stuff to weigh on in this. So first of all, for the civilians out there that listen to this,

yeah, like PJ, you know, one way it's like walking into that Jersey store and ordering your Taylor Taylor. Exactly. Branches, you know,

have identities. And so a Marine is a Marine. A soldier is a member of the united states army a sailor the united states navy what's a coast guardman a coast guardman a coastie i don't know i guess maybe could also be a sailor but they jump out of helicopters and stuff anyway they don't they don't really matter navy marine and uh army is what matters uh and air force when she's an airman and space force guardians yeah yeah but marines basically don't like being called soldiers because not a part of the army so uh david was his name right uh daniel daniel we forgive you

now you know those now you don't do it wrong uh marsoc is marine and reconnaissance special operations command right yep um and it is so an army of green berets uh what's the navy have the seals seals forget those guys yeah um coast guard has the para jumpers or paratroopers as uh air force air forces paratroopers. Air Force. Air Force's paratroopers. So it all falls under Joint Special Operations Command. And basically, everything that's ever been a movie's been made about or something that people think are cool or that uses a recruiting tool, it's that.

And the people that get all the money, no matter if there's a continued resolution or not, it's JSOC. It's Joint Special Operations Command. And so the Marine Corps always had reconnaissance. A reconnaissance or recon swam underwater, went in, did raids, killed people, cool stuff, but technically wasn't a part of Special Operations Command. And when DOD was like, hey, Marine Corps,

make a special operations command they were like we don't need to we have recon and we're marines we're amphibious every marines rifleman and uh and they said nope you will and this is like oh three somewhere early 2000s it was like there was the first battalion which was technically a recon battalion that got funded anyway. Yeah. Now, the interesting thing, and I don't know if Daniel knows this, but the difference between MARSOC and all the different special operation commands and the other services is that in MARSOC, you have to already be a Marine. So Navy SEALs, they use it as a recruiting tool. Not saying it's a bad thing, but like, hey, I want to be a Navy SEAL. I'm Geordie.

I want to be a Navy SEAL. And you go in and you go into buds and all that stuff and you fail out. And what do you end up doing? You end up painting ships. You know, you end up doing something else. And MARSOC says, hey, you are already a Marine and now you can apply to become special operations in MARSOC. And so they look at your track record, how you've been running your PFTs. If you're an NCO, what your J-PAS scores are.

If you're an officer, what your fit reps look like. They look at all that stuff and they say, yep, you are allowed to now try out for something called assessment and selection. And assessment and selection is, what is it? 30 days, Jeff? I don't know exactly what the Marine course is, but I know like armies is like three or four weeks. Yeah. Something, something like, something like that. And so you get to go to that A and S they call it in the Marsoc world and it's

physical requirements. So that's where this question would come into. And I have had quite a few Marine clients over the years that have said, Hey, you know, I'm a first lieutenant. I'm trying to go to MARSOC. How can I get strong for assessment selection? Or how do I get strong for special forces for to broadly term this stuff? Or how strong should I be? Or what should I focus on. And so basically, kind of like everything else, I always say the answer to this question is, well, first, you hopefully have already actually gotten strong. And not just so that you can turn that strength into endurance that you're going to need, but so that you've gotten strong so that you can handle the rigors of the course and not get injured. A lot of guys, I'm sure Jeff knows, I know, good guys, they go in, they're doing great, they're performing well, they turn an ankle, they tear an ACL, you heard Herbert hurt his shoulder in the Marine Corps, they do something and then they don't get to make it through selection. If you get strong, everything's more durable, your ligaments,

your tendons, and you're stronger and you're more resilient against injury. So hopefully you've done that novice linear progression and gotten strong. And if you have, then what I would do is say, hey, strength is no longer the number one goal or getting stronger, I should say, is no longer the number one goal. I now want to turn this strength into endurance that is usable. And so for a lot of guys that are going to ANS, I want them to be able to do pull-ups and chin-ups and max that out, no problem. So whenever they have to do the Marine Corps PFT, that's not an issue. And so I'll usually have like two days in there where they're doing pull-ups or chin-ups. One of them is weighted and one of them is for max reps.

They need to get in the pool a couple times a week because you're going to have to swim. And if you don't usually swim and all of a sudden you have to swim, you can be in the best shape of your life, but you're not used to the water and that's going to present a problem. And it doesn't need to be crazy. The swimming standards for MARSOC and getting through A&S, I should say, I don't know the further part, but it's not crazy, but you need to be able to jump off the 20 footer, land in a pool and swim 800 meters in camis, you know, which it makes a big difference, you know, so you need to have some swimming endurance. And then any of those style things, you want to just have basic endurance or rucking endurance. So if you're a Marine and you

want to go A&S in your training, you know, hey, go put on your pack and go ruck, you know, mountains if you want, only thing I don't like about that is it does open you up for some injury in your training to go to the thing that allows you to be accepted to this thing. So I really like heavy sled pulls, uh, get a sled, put a thing around your waist, your antenna shoes, you're in your neighborhood and you're pulling it around a cul-de-sac looking like an idiot. Uh, but it's low impact and you're getting the, uh, stressors that you would get from a heavy rock without the injury of or without the risk of, oh, I stepped off a rock weird and twisted my ankle or that sort of thing. Now, none of that actually answered this question.

Strength benchmarks. I think you need to be squatting and deadlifting in the 300s. I don't think you need to have a 500-pound deadlift. I don't think you need to be squatting and deadlifting in the 300s. I don't think you need to have a 500 pound deadlift. I don't think you need to have a 400 pound squat. I think you need to have a squat or deadlift in the 300s. And I think you need to be able to, you know, bench a good bit above body weight, you know, for a set of five. If you can press your body weight, you know, that's great, but you need to have a decent press. But I don't think you need to focus on it. It's not like, if I deadlift 500 pounds, I will be ready for MARSOC. It's no, I need to be strong so I'm durable and then take that strength and do these other things to turn it into endurance. So the program I usually have people do is on their squat day, I'll say, hey, you're going to squat a set of eight reps, but I'll write on their five to eight reps. And week one, I want them to pick a weight that they know they can get eight reps for. And then they're going to do a back offset for 15 to 20 reps. And so let's say a guy's built up his squat to 350 for three sets of five. He might on week one do 335 for a set of eight and then maybe take

100 pounds off somewhere like that. Maybe even a little more and do 20 reps. So maybe he does 330 for set eight and then he does 200 pounds for 20 reps. And that's his start. The following week when he gets back to squats,'s going to take the 330 make it 335 he's taking 200 make it 205 but for both of those sets I'm going to say five to eight on the squat on the top set and then 15 to 20 on the back offset and what I'm going to tell him is you're going to run this for 12 weeks and you're only going to stop and reset if that top set falls below five and if that back offset falls below 15. And you're just going to LP that thing. And so what it's going to do is it's going to take, hey, I got this 350 pound squat. But when I go to assessment and selection, there's no, hey, go squat 350 pounds.

It's grab this heavy log, grab this heavy piece of gear, drag this person up the hill. So I want to be able to take my strength and turn it into some type of endurance, but not long endurance. I also need long endurance. That's why I'm dragging the sled around the yard. That's why I'm swimming in the pool. But in terms of I need to be able to take my strength and use it for short duration burst of actions where I need to be above average. I do a similar thing in the deadlift. I do five to eight for the top set. I do 10 to 15 for that drop set just because sets of 20 deadlifts. Again, by the time you're deadlifting 20 times, you're just opening yourself up for loosening the low back and maybe hurting something. And then I just have them five by five bench, five by five press,

five by five pull-ups and chins. And it's really only two lifting days that I set people up like that. And then it's two to three lifting days that I set people up like that. And then it's two to three conditioning days a week. So I don't think, Daniel, there's a specific, you must have this strength metric to be ready to go to MARSOC. It's, hey, you need to have gotten strong. I do think a squat and the deadlift for anybody, regardless of body weight, get it up in the 300s and then have a good conditioning base for you know long slow distance type of stuff and then also have the capacity to work really hard with loads for you know 60 seconds or something like that I don't know Jeff what do you think you you've been around much Marines have done this kind of stuff yeah I think only thing I'd

get kind of like sprinkle into that is less. Yeah, like I don't know if there is like really like a benchmark that needs to be hit. And there's not that's not really a thing that's tested at ANS. And so you need to be able to like I think you said be durable. So like lifting weights because it's going to be a grind. Right. It's going to be like day in, day out of kind of just like these thrash sessions a lot of time on the feet so i think that's like another big thing of like getting time on the feet doesn't have to be like crazy hard long distance runs but like it can be easier slow distance runs like walking with a sled introducing some ruck stuff

but like you don't need to be a guy that's like i'm gonna throw 100 pounds in this rucksack and go for a 10 mile run like you're just gonna grind yourself into dust and then you're gonna show up for the selection event and you're just gonna be smoked before you've even started so it's kind of it's i think like you said lifts and like the 300s for deadlift and squat. I mean, probably want to have some sort of like pressing capability because, you know, there might be some pressing logs overhead, sandbags overhead. But again, it's like not there's not gonna be like a one rep max like event or anything like that. So yeah, and I would say endurance will be big. Yeah, I would say that even like the shoulder health for like logs, it's not like, hey, I'm going to get a log that I'm not strong enough to lift overhead, right? Because there's probably going to be six dudes on that log. Yeah.

And who knows how many. The thing is you're going to do 300 reps though. So if you, you know, or whatever it is. So if you don't have strong, durable shoulders, then they're going to wear down. So it's not, we're one of the things is you're gonna go swim 200 meters come out of the water and there's a log press competition no it's just gonna be like you're gonna swim you're gonna come out of the water you're gonna

grab a log and you're gonna run around the beach with it and press it overhead and your shoulders gonna get a lot of work how do you make sure that your shoulders can withstand a lot of work well they're strong and healthy and they've also been exposed to some endurance events. You know, that's, that's kind of the idea. And that's the same idea with the squat and the deadlift.

And so, you know, I don't think you're a Marine Daniel, so you're not eligible for ANS right now. And you may have just been asking it in general terms. But it's, if, if someone is and they're thinking about it and they're like,

Oh, my squat's only a two 85, like that's fine, right? I just mean you need to have a good base of strength. In order to have muscular endurance, you need a basis of strength, some type of foundation. So, yeah, good question. Good opener. Good opener. Can I add one tagline on there?

Yeah, please. Not just as a question. stuff can i add one tagline on there yeah not just a question is there are there body comp recommendations like would you recommend a certain body composition or like it hey it's better to be lighter it's better to be heavier or anything like that i think it's the first it's kind of one of those like really variable things because it's like you've ever like so you know i've like worked with seals green berets and stuff um from my time at anglico and it was like oh there was like every you run into every body type i mean you you probably don't want to be the super crazy jack out of your mind muscle dude

because then what you're going to run into is you're going to be on a 12 mile ruck and like your muscles are just going to be you know you have giant arms your biceps are going to need all this blood that flows through them but those muscles aren't helping you at all but they're going to take up some of like your aerobic capacity because you know blood has to flow through them so those muscles don't like wither away and die at some point um but you probably also want to be like the stick figure that runs a 14 minute three mile and then they strap a rucksack to you and it just absolutely buries you and all of a sudden you can't keep up with anybody so like you kind of you kind of want to be that like balanced in between guy probably uh but i mean you see all body shapes and sizes, guys that are five foot four, make it

through. And then guys that are like six, seven that make it through and are huge. So it's just really variable. Yeah. I think it's, and like, so I don't think the people, there are some freaks there, but I don't think they're necessarily like genetic freaks. I think they're just kind of like most of the people that are trying out for this thing and make it are messed up in the head uh i don't mean in a bad way that's exactly what i want fighting the enemy but they're just like i like i've seen little guys do events and i'm like how is this even possible but he's just like i will do this right and i've also seen big guys that you know it's time to go run three miles and it's like how do you run in 1830 like you're you know whatever so they're definitely like outliers i would say you don't want to be

going into that type of uh sustained very rigorous physical event you do not want to be under 13 body fat right like you don't want to be super thin because you're going to lose weight you lose a good bit of weight and then you also um you know you probably want to be under 20 i mean in the marine corps you definitely want to be under 20 because you don't want to the first thing they're going to do is they're going to height weight you if you're out of composition they're going to say okay how big is your neck how big your waist oh you're under 18 you're good oh you're 19 you're kicked out right away really yeah oh yeah yeah so you so you have to be you want to be within regulations um but from a

strength coach perspective i'd be like hey once you start to get over 20 you're not gonna have as good a performance as you could have if your body fat was lower and at the same time once you get under 10 you know you're not going to have the same ability uh i'm not saying you can't pass and can't make it but you're not going to be as useful to go into this type of thing if you are yeah you know 12 14 15 i mean that's probably what the composition you want yeah i don't think you got to be thin i don't think i'd be little or big or whatever i mean plenty of uh marines berets all these people have made these things of various sizes but yeah so i'm excited about the slack uh questions i think that'll be good um and ask us more stuff uh lifting questions are great but if you join in, feel free to ask us other things that you'd like to hear about.

Life things, our takes on history, sports. We had a good question there from Jeff out of Atlanta asking about the top three Southern Revolutionary heroes. Had to think about that. What came to mind right away without any South Carolina boys. Yeah. Francis Marion and then Patrick Henry of Virginia were like the first two. I was like those two. And that was like a third. I'd have to think about that, but we're not answering that question this week,

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