The Okay Podcast Powered by The Strength Co. - EP 22: Surgeon Stories, Hockey & Memorial Day feat. Dr. Caleb Gottlich

Episode Date: May 31, 2024

Podcast Hosts: Grant Broggi: Marine Veteran, Owner of The Strength Co. and Starting Strength Coach. Jeff Buege: Marine Veteran, Outdoorsman, Football Fan and Lifter Tres Gottlich: Marine Veteran, Texan, Fisherman, Crazy College Football Fan and Lifter Join the Slack and Use code OKAY: https://buy.stripe.com/dR6dT4aDcfuBdyw5ks Check out BW Tax: https://www.bwtaxllc.com TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Trump Supports Bitcoin 04:48 - People Love Bench Press 06:42 - People Don’t Know What To Eat 09:52 - Sleep 11:54 - Not Realizing You’re A Novice 18:16 - Jeff and Tres Join 23:40 - Basketball 28:40 - Caleb’s Job 34:28 - How Doctors Make Money 42:24 - Are Squats & Deadlifts Bad For Your Back? 46:16 - Lifting and Iron Mans 49:17 - Crazy Doctor Stories 56:20 - Will I Need A Hip Replacement? 58:29 - New Surgeon Stories 01:04:21 - Fishing Stories 01:09:11 - Favorite Bone 01:10:58 - Funny Tres Story 01:12:45 - What PJ Learned From Music School 01:15:02 - Grant’s Lessons From Owning A Business 01:19:26 - Jeff’s Favorite Book 01:23:13 - Caleb’s Incredible Ad Read 01:28:45 - Memorial Day 01:37:59 - Hockey 01:43:47 - Tres Signs Off

all right and welcome back to episode 022 of the okay podcast powered by the strength co we're recording here in the upstate of south carolina it's still spring the weather's nice the price of bitcoin is 68 058 doll hairs and it's now supported by former president Donald Trump. Huge. Huge. He's all in. Yeah. Yeah.

He went to the libertarian national convention or something like that. And it was like, that makes zero sense. What the Trump? Oh yeah. Trump is a libertarian. I mean, he didn't make any sense as a Republican. No, no. Yeah, exactly.

But he was just going, I mean, you just go get votes. Yeah, that's it. He's like Bitcoin. Sorry, but his funniest line in his speech was like, basically, do you want to be losers? I think you should be winners. Vote for me. I was listening, driving up to,

Diane and I went up to, shoot shoot where we go up and up further in the upstate we actually didn't cross the north con to fly fish and we were driving up and we're driving through like pickens county which i think was like 98 trump supporters yeah and an ad comes on the radio hey listen it's donald trump well that's not my donald trump voice i don't have my donald trump voice that's okay i lost it because I don't listen to him anymore. It'll come back. But he's like, listen, Mark Burns has been your governor, your congressman.

He's been fantastic, a terrific guy. Let me tell you about the wall in Texas. And he talks something like, what does this have to do with South Carolina? No, he's just going. And he's like, he'll never let you down. He never has. He never will. He's a great man.

Never. He's fantastic. And I'm like, you. He never has. He never will. He's a great man. Never. He's fantastic. And I'm like, you literally just said nothing. Oh, yeah, dude. Yeah, he just goes all vibes. And the guy comes in. And I support this message. Yeah, of course.

But yeah, he's actually, it was kind of a big deal. I will just say for my Bitcoin update is that not just that it's Trump, but that he's a presidential candidate and former president saying at a convention that he supports it. He thinks it should be in the U S he supports people's right to own it, use it, transact in it, build businesses. At the same time you have like, there's like a Ethereum ETH ETF approval. And so for all the people that were like, the government's getting abandoned, the banks are never going to allow it. He said he would never allow a central digital bank, right? Yeah, a central bank digital currency. Yeah, and all the libertarians and republicans were like,

woo! And Elizabeth Warren's like, no! Yeah. Doesn't RFK also support it? Oh, he's a huge supporter. He was early. So there you go. We're not political here.

I don't identify as a Republican or a libertarian. I'm a registered independent for the record. Um, but I do identify with RFKs bench press, dude. He was doing a, he was with Mark Bell. I saw on a video and I've had so many people send me that video and I'm like, you don't think my algorithm was built for me to see this video. My dad sent it to me yesterday. I'm like, one, this is a month old. I think two months old. At least. Two, everyone sent it.

And then, dad, you didn't provide any context. I thought he was going to be like, should I be using the slingshot in my bench press? No, absolutely not. I tried one one time when some guy in Block Haven had one. Yeah. He was messing around with it. So I was like, okay, give me a shot. I was like.

It's fun. It's like jumping on a trampoline. Yeah, it is. I mean, the only thing. You can jump higher. I only was like, okay, give me a shot. I was like, all right. It's like jumping on a trampoline. Yeah, it is. I mean, the only thing. You can jump higher. I only see it useful for like maybe injuries or something. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, there's maybe some thoughts for like some overload.

Yeah. But that's like way, it's way past. And probably it's still overthinking at that point. Yeah, can you like pin press it? I mean, it's whatever. It's whatever it's whatever it's cool though it's fun we don't have block yet what in the heck bro how are we gonna know so anyway trump supports bitcoin rfk supports bitcoin rfk can outbench donald trump that's for

sure um what should the strength standards for like a 70 year old president be you know yeah they should have a strength standard for a president. We could do a basic strength test. Like if you can't bench 135. Oh, I was going to go back further. Oh. So you have to walk upstairs to get into the gym. And then the door weighs 15 pounds.

That already canceled out a bunch of people. RFK is now the only person that is running for president. The only person. That's the only guy that's running for president the only person the only guy yeah yeah anyway and jaco uh massonomics had a good meme today it said people always ask if i'm far left or far right i'm far from figuring out how to squat and i was like amen here i am first 10 minutes talking about donald j trump forget about it yeah exactly anyway uh let's see what's new yeah what's new had a guy today i did a consult with that said he um has followed me for a long time that's why he signed up but the main reason he signed up the thing that put him over the edge

was he watched the video about doing x extra bench presses on Saturdays. And he was just like, can I really just do that? He's like, I already have a starting strength coach. And like, they don't tell me to do that. Did he sneak it in? I'm like, just do it, bro. You don't, no one needs to know. Yeah. That was what your coach don't know. Yeah. No, it was pretty funny though. Um, that's cool though. Yeah. But he was like that video. I was like, I have to hire this guy. I was like, great. Cool. Yeah. No, it was pretty funny though. That's cool though. Yeah. But he was like that video. I was like, I have to hire this guy. I was like, great. Cool. Yeah. Everyone bench press on Saturdays five by five and then call me for our long conversation. Dude, that just goes to show no matter what you do, no matter how much you teach about everything, everyone's going to just love bench press. All the guys are just going to want a big bench. Yep. He had some great,

he had some great other questions too though. Okay. And the, um, the angle that he was coming at, you know, was great. And he, you know, started the combos. Like, I'm not looking to fire my coach. I'm like, I'm not looking to like, take you from your coach. You actually like, I don't, I don't have any coaching availability right now. Um, but he was like tying in his schedule, you know, can he do extra bench? How did you know he's gaining weight at this rate? Is that too much? He doesn't want to end up being fat, but he's not scared to gain weight. You know, a lot of basic questions. It was good. We covered a lot. And I always tell people when they call, I'm like, Hey, we can either do 30 minutes now. And I can give

you some homework assignments. Cause I also break down their lifts for them. They like upload their lifts and I give you a homework assignment. And then we down their lifts for them they like upload their lifts and I give you a homework assignment and then we do a 30 minutes more like a month or I was like sometimes we go the whole hour and like at an hour he was like I'm so sorry I took the whole hour I thought I was gonna have two sessions I guess I'll get another one I was like right on man hey man brother so we helped that we helped that guy out I think um what's a common thing that is there something that people always ask you in these consults or like a common yeah i mean no one ever knows how to eat for this program because they're like told they need to eat a lot but they don't want to get fat

uh okay and so like it's a lot of it always comes down to like but what do i eat um that's tough because it's different for people too yeah it's different for people so what i usually what i usually tell people is you already know what not to eat yeah and then there's always a pause and they're like what do you mean i'm like start naming things that aren't good for you doritos hot che ice cream, cookies, caramel, Frappuccino, Frappuccinos, syrup. Starting strength diet, caramel milk, latte macchiatos. Yeah. And I'm like, you already know that. I'm not saying you can never have these things. I like to eat pizza. Right. Right. I don't like Frappuccinos, but I like to have ice cream. Like, I'm not saying you can never have these things. I like to eat pizza right right. I don't like frappuccinos,

but I like to have ice cream like I'm not saying you can't eat these, but like you already know, like what you're not supposed to eat and then it's like well, what do you need to fuel your body protein? You're going to need some fats carbohydrates. Yeah, maybe we've kind of debunked that myth. I thought cars were fake. Yeah. But for, but for new lifters, I think you definitely like, I mean, you could do it on the carnivore diet, but it'd be harder.

It is harder. Um, but yeah, so we just kind of like talk through that. And then we'd like, usually it's just talking like more habit. Like, Hey,

tell me about your day. And then you kind of go through it. I feel like no one knows how much they eat. No idea. So I, I hate calorie counting for people to lose weight or to gain weight. I hate it. But I really like people to do a seven-day food log when they start trying to make a change and log every single thing down to the breath mint that they put in their mouth

to understand that when you go to Buffalo Wild Wings and you order 20 wings thinking, I'm not going to get fries. I'm not going to get bread. I'm doing the right thing here. I know it's fried, but it's just protein. Everything will be okay. And then you get like six extra ranches. Yeah. Ruined it. You would have been better off with the fries. I'll just get a salad. It's 1200 calories. Yeah. That sounds the worst. I hate salad munchers. Yeah. I mean, it goes both ways too. Like people who are overweight, they have no idea how many calories they're putting in. And then people, the guys who are underweight are always like, dude, you don't even know,

dude, I ate so much for breakfast. I had like a whole yogurt. I had like this half a bagel. And then like maybe the other half too. Yeah. I'm like, dude, when I was getting weighed, I was eating a sleeve of bagels at a stoplight. That's eating. Yeah. It's a different level. Pre-covered in cream cheese. Yeah.

Although you just take it with Zympic and then. There you go. Done. Reverse. We need to make strength Zympic. Strength Zympic. Yeah. Sell it on the strength co store.

Yeah. You, you shoot it intramuscularly. I think this is called trend. Dang it. We're late to the party time for a rebrand. Um, but yeah,

that's usually, that's a common thing. Um, yeah. A common thing that I dig and find is that people don't sleep. Yeah. I mean that, that's hard though.

I mean, it is hard, but like I had a guy, I had someone recently that they run international businesses. It's hard, right? They got a lot going on. I'm like, Hey, I get it. Like running a business. Like I, like I totally get it. I'm like, wait, man, you want to sit here and talk about programming this change? Should I do a light squat day right is my knee slide okay and you're sleeping three and a half hours a night according to your whoop yeah and you're buying all these supplements like you gotta find a way to at a minimum sleep five

hours and that's a minimum minimum which means that you blocked off six hours because unless you're a robot you don't lay down and just sleep just boom sleeping and wake up yeah so it i mean five hours is like a short that's like a long nap dude no three hours is a long nap five hours is a short rest cycle that like if you usually get seven in a night and you have one night that has five you're fine you're okay but it's not sustainable if you're getting three or four like you're kind of you might be dead oh three or four i mean i don't know i don't know how you can do it for like 72 hours yeah run off of six hours of sleep but you can't do it forever my sleep's been rough lately you only been getting like nine or what only nine dude i've been now i got like probably five last night actually um

yeah if you want to assist congrats you made the strength co-minimum i made it i did i'm good anything over five you're fine you're good better do your five by five today exactly yeah i'm yeah dude i wish i could right now i'm you know i want a home gym so bad. Everybody wants a home gym. I miss the home gym. You have one. It's just in storage. It's spread across the country currently, but it exists. It can... Yeah, I just need to bring it back together. Come back together.

Bring it back together. Yeah. I think one other thing we should talk about before we get these guys on here, speaking of just thinking about talking to people and common themes. And one thing that people... How do I put this? People really want to buy a program

and a new thing to run. It's like they all want to do it. Like, hey, I want this 12-week program. And the intent and the heart behind it is good. They're like, hey, I really want to get stronger. I just need someone to tell me what to do. I just need someone to tell me what to do. And so you get this kind of person and you say, okay, I'm here to tell you exactly what to do. What's your lifting background? X, Y, used to be be a runner benched in high school

whatever 405 yeah 405 with my dad um you know here's my background and it's like okay uh have you ever run a linear progression program or have you run one in the last three years since you just told me you haven't been working out no hey. Hey, watch these two videos. How to start starting strength. What is starting strength? It doesn't have to be starting strength. It can be strong lifts. It can be mad cow. Can't really be a bad cow, but it can be a lot of different things. But something where it's like, hey, what's my baseline of strength? Let me add a little bit of weight each time. I'm not telling you you got to run that program for six to nine months, but if you haven't been getting strong, hey, do these three basic,

four basic barbell exercises and add a little bit of weight, but no one wants to hear that. And I, and I'm even like on the, the optimistic side of, Hey, you'll run this for four weeks, maybe five, like balloon will plateau you out a little bit. And then we'll give you like a percentage based workout. What I like to call a, how you feel workout, you know, then we'll give you like a percentage-based workout um what i like to call a how you feel workout you know like rp yeah we'll give you something but like i'm doing you a disservice if you come to me and say that your number one goal is to get stronger and i know

i'm not talking about grinding a 10 second rep five squat i'm not talking about like running a hardcore lifting program i'm talking about like running a hardcore lifting program. I'm talking about like, Hey, you got to bend your knees and your hips at the same time. You got to go all the way down. That was really easy. Put a little bit more weight on. Um, no one wants to hear that. Everyone wants a fancy program. I'll give you a fancy program. That's, that's fine. But you're wasting your time. You should do it for a little while. And if Ripito scared you off, or if powerlifters on Instagram blowing their knees out scared you off, or if all those bulky CrossFit powerlifter girls that are just everywhere these days. All these bulky women scared you off. That's fine, but you can still look normal, be normal, not be obsessed with only lifting weights. And for like a month, you could squat and deadlift and add five pounds and you

would make a lot of progress that you could then take into a cool fancy program so there you have it do you ever program do you ever put stuff in people's program that they're like hey this guy's not gonna do this unless he gets to do like I don't know dumbbell flies something all the time I mean I like guys all the time you know whether it's a console or either a new coaching client or they're walking in the gyms they're like what about arms and i'm like i don't even skip a beat back in the day i'd be like don't worry about arms just run this program now i'm like oh once you squat and bench heavy and deadlift heavy you need to do um five sets of eight with 45 pounds on the curl bar,

followed by six sets of nine. Nice. Nice. With 25 pound dumbbells. Yep. And like do that after your workout. And they're like, oh, okay. Wait, I don't want to do all that.

It's like, well. No, they don't do that. They don't do that. Oh. They just pull rep five of their deadlift. Yeah. And they're like, I want to get the heck out of this gym. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I don't even, I mean, it's the same thing when a woman walks in the gym and says,

Hey, I do Pilates seven days a week. Great. Keep doing Pilates. And I spent three days a week. Fantastic. Keep doing it. Starts lifting, starts getting results. Why is my squat failing? You still doing pilates 12 days a week yeah well maybe you're a little bit over you know like and so i try to let them come to that realization but yeah no i put stuff in people's program all the time i mean um and i don't always think it's bad i actually don't care if you blast arms at the end of your workout zero problem with that go blast your arms it fine. Go run a mile after your workout. Well, I don't care, but they're going to run into the problem that the whole point of starting

strength solves, which is, Hey, if you only have so much time, do the best bang for your buck. And then they have to discover that themselves. Right. It's, it seems like it like it's, and I'm not even like on the diehard side of run this program for nine months. Yeah. I'm literally like, run it for one month. Can you even do that? Yeah. Run it for one month. And I mean, if a guy adds, what is it?

Five pounds a week, 15 pounds times four math in public, 60 pounds to a squat. Pretty good. Yeah. Could he add 120 in two months? Probably. So hopefully he runs it for a month, likes what's happening, adds more. But anyway, you don't need a fancy program. What you do need is a down to earth tax consultant. And that's why we have our friends at BWTaxLLC.com. As I like to say, it's never too early to start working on next year's taxes because I guarantee you

the government is already working on figuring out how much money to take from you. So you're late. Yeah, you're actually honestly May 28th after Memorial Day. Did you are late? You're behind. Anyway, thanks for listening to the nonpolitical, non-biased no opinions on weightlifting or people's behavior intro to the OK podcast. Amen.

Amen. Episode 022 of the OK OK Episode zero two two of the. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Guidelines. Okay. Podcast power, brother strength. We are so good at this. Twenty. We're getting worse. My bad.

Two, two times. Bingo. Oh, bingo party. Is your mic okay, Trey? I don't know. Tell us about bath time as a mic check.

It was. Does it sound kind of weird? Yeah, just check to make sure you selected the mic. Oh, on your Zoom. On Zoom. Don't you edit this out. This is what makes this podcast okay okay we're live tune in for trey's eyes panic scan around the screen

he's probably only begins three hours of sleep a night and expecting eight hours of sleep results let me see if i go to more uh there's a little microphone in the bottom left. There's an up carrot sign. Click the carrot, follow the carrot, and then it's going to show all your microphone options. It's like a microphone Yeti stereo. Yeah, that's it. Okay. All right.

Sound funny. Yeah. Back the camera up a little bit. I mean, the mic up a little bit. What about now? Yeah, that's good. Tilt up a little bit i mean the mic up a little bit what about now yeah that's good tilt it a little more vertical yeah vertical yeah vertical even more straight up straight up straight up what about now oh yeah there we go so remember that uh that bass fish that was in every cracker braille growing up as a kid yeah what song did he sing it came out my birth year oh don't worry be happy oh yeah the bass no that's the song yeah and then the bass would turn its head off the wall and sing

you know yeah damn it's a lot younger than i thought yeah uh well you're 86 right yeah yeah i'm 86 years old yeah oh yeah oh i missed i feel like it sometimes kind of like when i said there's like five things you need to know and three days later the joke registered well i, I think it hit me a couple hours earlier, and I was like, oh, I should probably spot it. Anyway, you no longer sound like a bass fish, Trey. Oh, dang. That's what I was going for. So special guest on tonight.

We'll introduce him later. We'll leave you in suspense for 10 minutes. Not that special. What are we hitting up in the preamble there Jeff I think we'll just jump right in do we want to talk NBA I can go yeah

yeah I just spilled something it's just sweep it on up yeah here pacers yeah seriously Indiana RIP people from Indiana can't play basketball. Nah, dude. Do you think Mavs are going to sweep?

You know, I don't know. I just opened the door and tried to peek, but I have the YouTube TV multi-view channel up, so I can only see the hockey game, which was in commercials, so I don't even know what the score is. Brutal. I do think they're going to sweep. I'd love the T-Wolves to want the mavs sorry tanner and tommy

i want the mavs because kairi stomped on lucky and was terrible when he played for boston and i just want to beat him and i think luke is the greatest and i want to beat him uh but i mean i also like series you know i'd love for for the wolves to stretch this thing out. Oh, we missed it in the pre-show. By the way, the Block Heights, 845579. Shout out, Zach Copley. Just letting you know. Is that good?

Yeah. That's like saying today's date. Oh, okay. Oh. So I didn't realize. It's still running. It's still going. Oh, that's good.

I didn't realize it. So cap space from the NBA, how they do it, I think it changes every year. Right. And so it's determined by the revenue they brought in the prior year. So it's beneficial for the games to go to like a seven series games. Cause it makes more money. Right. So it's funny how I, and I could be completely wrong there's probably some of these researches but no one no one do it because i'm going to be right

um i think you're right but it's like yeah you're right dude that's crazy wow so like some people like can't afford if the cat space is real small then they have to like get rid of players or wait are you, are you saying cat space? Yeah, cat space. Oh, cool. Jeff's cat space looks pretty big. Huge cat space. Trey, just humor me and turn your gain down a little bit more.

You want me to humor you? But don't turn your gains down. Just the gain, not the gains. That's right. Now talk. Be careful. I get them confused all the time. I think that's better. I think that's better.

It was a little hot. You were coming in hot. Coming in hot, dude. You know what? I think I'm just going to go. No, no. NBA financials. No, no, no. Keep spitting. We're supposed to talk NBA finals, not financials, Trey. Oh, sorry. I misunderstood that. What do you want to call BW attacks next? Trey, does that fish sing in your background?

Yeah. It does. Don't worry. Be happy. I don't know. What do you think, Jeff? Mav sweep? I think the Wolves will get one game.

I don't see them coming back. It felt like... 154-0. Dude zero dude yeah it's not the odds never tell me the odds never tell me dude i love that part of lord of the rings uh game of thrones yeah but i don't know i kind of thought watching the game the other night when uh anthony edwards had that dunk which was was massive. Just massive. And then I thought he was going to kind of like take over the game a little bit. And he kind of did for a couple possessions. And then no one else wanted to help him out.

So then the Mavs just were like, okay, no, we're going to, we're not going to allow you to do this. And just kind of like they stomped on the gas and went on that run. But well, live update, they're they're up 30 27 halfway through the second the t-wolves are oh okay so they came back last time i checked got ourselves a ball game rangers are up one nothing too oh the texas rangers yeah that's oh it's very relevant i thought you were talking about like the uh the texas rangers and they are like walker texas ranger yeah like you ever watch that show like of course i watch

it sometimes you know how chuck norris does a push-up he pushes the world down um in the arms of a ranger i used to watch it my older brother would make fun of me and call it Walker, Texas Redneck. Wow. That's not even nice. Burn. Just call him a dork. Burn. Hey, dork.

Hey, dork. Chuck Norris is a beast. Like, he's a real beast. Honorary Marine. Really? Yeah. How's that work? He and Greg gave it to him.

Him and John Cena. How do you become an honorary Marine? I don't know the rules. Look it up. Fact checker. All right. I don't know. Can I apply it?

Yeah. John Cena was in a movie called The Marine, so I'm pretty sure that's how he got it. We'll just make it. Jordy's like Chuck Norris, John Cena, and Jordy. Jordy's like, I have about I have to talk to three Marines once a week for 22 weeks for two hours. I gotta get something. Come on.

What's even worse is he has to edit all this and watch us. I hear it twice, dude. I hear it with you twice. What's the lowest possible rank in the Marines? Private. Can I be a private dude? You want to be a Lance? Actually, let's just give him a St. Babs medal. Yeah.

Yeah. There we go. I don't know what that is, but I like it. Yeah, you do. That's good. That's good. Oh, man. I don't feel like we can make NBA finalsals predictions until we know the two teams in it

I'm with you so Jeff thinks Timberwolves are winning tonight I think they'll get one well he said they'll get one and they're down 3-0 so I think they have to win tonight I also think they're winning tonight the math checks out yeah

homeschooling five requirements for not losing the series oh god one win one game there you go hey by the way just just update on the my my honorary marine status uh it says it's a title designate designed to reinforce the special bond between the american people and the marine corps by recognizing individuals in the civilian community who have made extraordinary contributions to the Marine Corps. Okay. What do you call this? That's what I'm saying. Let's do some quick math. We turned 249 this year. Check. So we're going to do 52 episodes a year.

52 times 4 is 208 add another 52 you're at 260 overshot anyway you get the idea I think when the episode drops that matches the Marine Corps birthday if it airs on November 10th

we make Geordie an honorary Marine that's fair and we record live from Tun Tavern. The plane is aligning. Hold on. We can time it. We can make it happen. Love it.

I love it. Why are you saying hold on, Trey? I'd open another. What flavor you got there? Lime. Big fan. Classic. Everyone stop. Everyone stop. I'm opening a drink. I'm incapable of doing this myself. Well,

I think we should get this special guest in here. He's ready. Let's do it. Because we're going to open up another topic. Who knows? Yeah, can you hear me? There he is. Oh, wow. look at this guy you're out of here

hey brother can you put some headphones on and illuminate yourself not my first rodeo give the people what they want oh by the way you misspelled my middle name it's P-O-W-E-L-L oh my bad. Oh, Powell.

Yeah. Powell. That was a Texas pronunciation. That was a Texas. I have never in my life until now. No one's ever asked me, how do you spell Caleb's middle name? So it's. That was.

You ask me every day. Yeah. I was like, oh, okay. I changed it to Al. Yeah, Al's the good one too. Okay, good. You had I changed it to Al. Yeah, Al's the good one, too. Okay, good. You had the pre-audio on. So if you're wondering why we asked Trey what Caleb's middle name is,

it's because this week's guest to the OK Podcast is Caleb Powell Gotledge. In Texas, they say Caleb Powell Gotledge. Something like that. So Trey's brother is here. Thanks for thanks for coming caleb yeah thanks for having me you're like in the bottom of the barrel you're in your scrubs are you guys recording a new season or what yeah exactly dang tell us a little bit about yourself um i don't know how in the weeds you want to get uh i'm a resident orthopedic resident in west texas um in my last year i guess if it's a five-year training program um moving to new york next year to do a fellowship oh wow that's a big That's a big jump for a Texas boy. Yeah. We lived in Baltimore for a year, so we're excited to go back to the Northeast.

Baltimore. Baltimore. Baltimore. So you're a resident of West Texas and of orthopedic school. Correct. Dual residency. Nice. Yeah. Well said. i see what you did there yeah yeah classic uh okay so you're about to okay you're about to finish school go to new

york and then what do you have like two more years of uh how long is the fellowship uh fellowship's a year but i'm planning on doing two so uh i'm applying to my second one this year but looking at maybe london oh nice whoa okay you sound like i'm not there and and during the fellowship do you like do your job or like i mean i kind of have an idea of like i have no idea what it's beneficial to kind of explain in a briefly like the medical school track and i can take a stab at it if you want me to yeah well even my family doesn't really have a good idea uh four years of undergrad four years of med school i did a fifth year i did a research fellowship um and then you do you apply for a residency you get into whatever subspecialty you elected to pursue and they're all different

links but all the surgical ones are at least five years yeah so orthopedics is five years and then like 95 percent of people do a fellowship and so those are generally a year and more people are starting to do two fellowships but it's still not not that common so so you do it kind of oh another cat yes oh my goodness what kind of cat is that oh nice siberian so many cats in this podcast i know let's see if i have mine i would love to do a cat flex right now yeah but it's i don't know correct me if i'm wrong so like after you do your medical school you do your rotations to figure out kind of what you want to do and then you do your uh residency and then within your residency you kind of do rotations within that practice right so yeah again we can i i don't mind getting into the weeds with it i don't know if it's kind

of like the marine stuff where there's probably a very small group of people who are actually interested but um yeah you're saying you're not are you saying you're not interested in our previous episodes long time listener first time long time i've listened to almost all of them no but okay but med school it's four years two years is pre-clinical so you're in the classroom and then the last two years is all clinical rotations so you'll do all your core rotations, which are like family medicine, internal medicine, general surgery, psychiatry, OBGYN, and then you can do electives. What's the coolest one? The coolest rotation to do? Yeah. Depends on what you're looking for. for i mean like coolest like in terms of experience i thought my orthopedic oncology

rotation was the coolest um which is like bone tumors and muscle tumors and that's what my second fellowship will be in um but coolest as far as lifestyle like psychiatry is hard to beat here it's done by like it's like 9 00 a.m to 2 a to 2 p.m every day and that's the only time people have issues yeah once they get to two they've either got it figured out or they just like you know go to the bottle or something yeah yeah so that's good um personal experience there or what no no no no yeah no nine to two nine and two um wow we got a real live doctor in the house. Okay. I have a real practical question. Yeah. And you don't have to tell your specifics, or you can if you'd like, but you hear how much school is, particularly medical school, and then you hear how much

doctors make once they become doctors. Sure. What's the average? What's yours? However you want to play it. How much... For you to go through school, do the fellowship, go to the end, you have to live. I don't think you're getting paid right now, right? You're paying to learn.

I'm getting paid. You are getting paid. Okay. How much do you rack up when you start to recoup some? And then what's... Do doctors start actually... Do they pay their loans off in five years,

15 years, 20 years? Yeah. No, it's a good question. It's really multifaceted, depending on what you're interested in, where you're willing to live, things like that. I mean, undergrad, it's similar to undergrad, right? A&M is like one of the cheapest schools. Are you an Aggie? Yeah. Gig them. There you go. uh, it's, it's similar to undergrad, right? A&M is like one of the cheapest schools. Are you an Aggie?

Yeah. Gig them. There you go. Farmers fight. You got it. Uh, but like A&M medical school is like the cheapest in the nation. I mean, it was like 8,000 a semester.

Okay. Um, and, but I, I did my research fellowship at Hopkins and that's like 90,000 a year. I went to school with Johnny Hopkins. Yeah. So it's, it's very variable.

I mean, I'm lucky that my parents put aside a 529. I got some scholarships. My dad had the Hazelwood act and I stayed in all state schools. And so I had no debt coming out of med school. Oh, so you're out of med school debt free. Yeah. Underwide med school debt free. That's amazing. You're smart. Lucky, I think. Yeah.

Work in the system. And then in residency, it's variable depending on where you are. You start off generally around like 50 a year. And then you get an annual salary increase if you're in like california new york they give you you know slightly higher salaries but it's just to off offset the cost of living so um by the end of you know five years i think i'll probably be making somewhere around 70 um and then my fellowship in new york they're paying me like 105 okay um but that's all like very dependent the other fellowship in baltimore was going to pay me like 65

okay um so it's just very variable and then if you practice in like lower socioeconomic areas or things like that you can get uh you know they if you do it for a certain amount of time they can defer all of your loans and stuff like that so okay so it's not like equal playing if you if you're a doctor once you're all done in west texas versus hollywood it's not the same not the same if you're in a bad part of west texas then like you may have some benefits that you can yeah and because they want good doctors everywhere even for poor people as it turns out and i mean a lot of the rural places they, they'll pay you more to come because nobody wants to live there. And so in places like Dallas or wherever, where I was looking at going, it's so competitive that you're getting paid proportionally less.

And then, again, this is really deep into it, but you get reimbursed in like a procedural field like surgery based on something called RVU or a relative value unit and there's a like the CMMS or the the accrediting kind of governing body federally sets these kind of arbitrary RVUs like per procedure so if I were to go put like a nail in a femur to fix a femur fracture, that's a certain amount of RVUs kind of throughout. And then when you sign your contract, you are kind of negotiating how many dollars they're going to pay you per RVU. And a lot of times they'll have a threshold, like you have to get 10,000 RVUs a month. And then once you meet that threshold, 10 000 rvus a month and then once you meet that threshold then they'll say for every rvu over that we'll pay you like a higher percentage back for rvu and so like one of the guys i work with out

here i think his threshold is like 8 000 but he gets like 16 000 a month so his quarterly bonus is like 250 000 nice and so i mean depending on where you practice you can make a lot of money but it's all a lot of it's like kind of an eat what you kill type thing in private practice where the more you work like it there you go the more you work the more you get paid but in academic settings like what I'm going to do, a lot of it's salary oriented. So we're going to pay you $400,000 regardless of how productive you are, but we expect you to be this productive. Okay. Before we leave the doctor stuff, when we get to the cool pal stuff, I just can't stop saying pal. Um, at what point you mentioned competitive, right? Like Dallas competitive, like everyone finishing their residency, their fellowships, whatever. Obviously there's like a resume of you went to John Hopkins, you went to wherever it's not as

good. You went to him, USC, like you went to different places. Like there's always like some pedigree from the degrees but at what point in a doctor's career is it like whoa your body of work means that like we want to pay you way more or does that happen um like because you hear of like oh like my dad when i got my knee replaced i went to musc it's the top Mako knee surgeon in the US. I have no idea if that's true. Everything's the best in the top with him. But I assume someone is regarded as the top knee replacement doctor and either gets more clients or gets paid more by the hospital to be there or I don't know. Yeah. I mean, a lot of that is dependent on what track,

if you're doing private practice or academics in private practice it's very much you know if you're the best it's based on volume so how many surgeries you do per year um and for like knee replacements i mean i don't know maybe you're doing 600 knee replacements a year or something like that but that's probably not the highest but sure um but i think once you start hitting a certain volume your kind of regional and eventually you know national potentially reputation starts to advertise for you and then you can start to pick like, Hey, I want to do, I only want to do knee replacements on BMI below 24.

No, you know, other comorbidities, no diabetes, no smokers, all this stuff. And you can be more selective when you're starting out, out your, you know, taking general call a lot of times. And so you will pick up trauma cases to try and supplement your income that way because you don't have the the market presence i guess i see but if you're in if you're in an academic setting a lot of that's driven based on what meetings you're speaking at what publications you, how important are the publications you've done, what grant funding you have, things like that.

Man, Trey, I feel like we could all be doctors by the end of this. Honorary doctor. Honorary doctor. Yeah, honorary doctor. Yeah, honorary doctor. It's just like honorary Marines. I have an orthopedic question. Send the orthopedic.

Love it. All right, send it. The entire internet has told me that squats and deadlifts are bad for your back. Is this true? It's a yes or no question. If you say yes, I go out of business. Everyone's told me everything's bad for your knees and your back. Everything.

everything's back to your knees and your back everything uh it's so it's just one of those things where you um i think you have to balance the risks and benefits right there's some publications that are saying uh as long as you're if you think about it from like a mechanical alignment point of view like just take your knees for example um if you the more motion you do right you've heard maybe like motion is lotion where um the more you move the better it is for your joints um and that's kind of because the articular cartilage of your joint is nourished by its synovial fluid which is it's it's a vascular. So it's the fluid that's inside your knee. And the more you move it, the more you're constantly bathing those chondrocytes and synovial fluid. He's literally speaking my language. And so, but that's under the assumption

that your mechanical alignment is perfect. Any aberration in your mechanical alignment you're stressing the cartilage asymmetrically or or maybe you know non-geometrically with in relation to your articular surface and you're creating kind of hot spots of focal pressure which is going to potentially damage the cartilage and so so it's like a balance of are you going to use it enough to nourish it but not so much that you wear it out type of thing if your alignment is not perfect if your alignment is perfect you could do basically whatever you want to do you know in perpetuity um and in my viewpoint the back is like similar you have you need to make sure you're doing things safely you need to make sure you're not neglecting like your core you need to make sure that um you're loading things and maybe more of like a mechanically advantageous

way you're not putting yourself at increased risk by doing things um unsafely you know like if you if you take like power lifts for example and you do them in like a crossfit type of way where you're doing a power movement but you're doing it for endurance i think in my opinion i don't know how many people would agree with this, but you're kind of like negating the whole principle of the movement because you're doing brother preach. Yeah. So you're doing a power lift, but you're doing it for endurance and that it's not the goal of the training movement. And so I think you're putting yourself at an increased risk in that manner but i think it's just it's finding a balance and doing things in a smart way so i know how to i know how to get them to like give us the non-doctor answer okay do you deadlift yeah okay do you deadlift somewhat heavy uh when i can yeah okay what's your like what's your uh pr on deadlift somewhat heavy? When I can, yeah.

Okay. What's your PR on deadlift? Like 515. Okay. Case closed. Case closed. Case closed. Okay.

And that's for a single, right? Yeah. Yeah. And do you ever deadlift more than like six reps? If I am going really light light then like 225 and maybe i'll do you know more reps but i won't do more than like 12 to 15 sure yeah all right i think we're on the same page good question jordy yeah yeah so we do this thing every week every week we have a guest and every week we're so organized and how the show's gonna go as you know you listen to it, we all ask the person a question.

So Jordy just started off. Now it goes over to Jeff to ask the doctor. This week's segment is called Ask the Doctor. There you go. Dr. Powell, you got a question from Jeff coming. Okay. I expect big things from Jeff. Not a doctor question.

So there's a big rumor going around big rumor going around the internet that you caught wind of trace training progress so you took some of your doctor money siphoned it off to the adoption agency to fast track their application two babies would show up two twins would show up and just totally sabotage trey's training so he wouldn't catch your prs what do you have to say about this it's a big win on the internet right now it's all over r slash subreddit i'm all over it okay college got one subreddit it's the long game chet chess not checkers you know yeah it's the long game it's the long game chess chess not checkers you know always been much more like naturally athletic than me trey will like do something for a very

short amount of time and just get really good at it and i am not that way it's called peak male performance i mean i need something i'm not a doctor so i need something in this family i know the feeling okay okay so hey don't let him show you shot he's pretty strong too yeah you have a pretty good training athletic background right you did some triathlons and stuff yeah iron man which one did you do uh lake placid yeah nice oh serious all right what's your favorite bike swim or run bike yeah i mean i'm so bad at swimming it's crazy and uh like a great marine yeah literally my my like training regimen for swimming was just like time in the pool it was like I didn't have coaching yeah so I would like when I was peaking I was doing an hour and a half straight twice a week but yeah it actually my my half Ironman

swim time was like 44 minutes and my full Ironman was like 109 minutes or something or an hour and nine minutes. So I feel like it improved and then running, running, I'm just terrible at like nothing I can do gets me there. How big a boy are you down there in Texas? I'm like 5'11", 225 right now. Oh man. You got some, a can of whoop-ass inside of you.

Yeah. Yeah. Meat wagon, baby. Yeah. That's what they say down in West Texas. Yeah. All right, Trey. Hit Dr. Powell.

Oh, man. I was going to see if you had any. Actually, I was going to side note. Do you remember the... This is for Grant. grant grant you remember that 5 11 doctor that girl redhead yes the mo she was a lady you remember her yes so kael went to a wedding like his brother-in-law's wedding i think it was a little and she was there yeah and she goes i hate trey so much she does not like me did you deny the flu shot no it's definitely warranted that's why she hated me because i

was like i'm not doing the flu shot and she's like what do you what do you mean i was like why would i why would you inject me with the flu and And then I took the flu shot. But I just, you know, it's a chance. I was like, this is doctor confidentiality, right? She didn't like anybody, I guess. She didn't like anybody. I mean, the logic was there. Yeah, yeah. Solid.

I'm going to see if you usually have a pretty good story or two from whenever you have like a patient come in or you're on call or something like that. Yeah. You got some clowns that come in in the middle of the night. I didn't know if you had any good ones. Oh, man. I haven't had any good ones. I just come off a week of vacation, so I don't have any good ones recently.

Yeah. What's your favorite one? I remember there was a guy who was complaining about chest pains. Hey, let me ask you a question, and then I'll answer it for you, Trey. Go for it. No, I'm just kidding. That's not what I'm doing. Trey.

Go for it. No, I'm just kidding. That's not the one. Wait, was it chest pains? And then what? I don't remember this. And then you asked him if he had had any caffeine or something like that, and he said he had been doing cocaine. Oh, yeah.

Oh, that one? That's just a normal Monday. Yeah, that's pretty typical. I don't know. We had a guy come in a couple weeks ago who had he was shooting meth up in his hand and because he

blew all the veins out in his arm and his hand was just like grossly like the skin was falling off his hand. There were maggots on his hand. Yeah. Uh, that's,

I'm trying to make a good one. There was a, there was, there was a good one. Probably three years ago. Not funny, I guess, but there's like,

there's a decent like cartel, like drug presence in, in West Texas. And there was like some rival cartels. And one of the rival leaders had broken into the other leader's house and like shot him and attacked his wife with a machete. She came in and

her hand was cut off. She was all hacked up from her upper extremities. I feel like you did not understand the assignment. That was hilarious, man. West Texas, aka Northwest Mexico. west texas aka north northwest mexico yeah yeah the car i guess it's back to me so what year did you graduate texas a&m uh so i was class of 13 um i ended up doing i double majored and minored so i ended up graduating in 14 and then i did a master's uh in biomedical science and then started med school in 15 and then i took a year off in

19 to do that research fellowship okay so you arrived in 09 yeah so trey was a senior no trey was a i was a junior his freshman junior yeah yeah oh okay okay and but you weren't in the corps cadets i was you were okay you were on the corps cadets so like were you guys in the same battalion were you guys in the same company same unit yeah okay i always wondered how that was because like at the citadel if you have a family member you can go in and you can be like yeah like actually my youth pastor for my church was like, you want to be in Delta company? Cause when they do parades, everyone goes Delta frat and they go,

these nuts. And I was like, hell yeah. I want to be people. No, what sold me in Delta was that it was in first battalion and first battalion had won intramural sports for 15 years straight. It was like all the athletes were in 1st Battalion. Anyway, that's what I liked about it.

But I always wondered, because you'd see guys like, brother would be a junior, kid would be a freshman, and we'd always mess with those kids more. And then when their brothers would get mad, then we'd just pick on their brothers because it's like, come on. You wouldn't be a junior if you were never a freshman. What was like in Aggieland? You guys are mice?

Rats? No, that's me and my... Fish. You're fish. You're fish. You're fish. What a small animal yeah don't worry we're knobs like a doorknob so we should officially change that to mice now

i got nothing to say so i can wear squirrels your squirrels i think what what company were you guys in c2 old army company ah uh did you guys take care of Reveille no it's E2 oh okay so sorry Caleb

but I have an enormous amount of Texas A&M knowledge his brother-in-law was a yell leader in 08 you missed it

you missed it by that much too bad head yell leader Trey excuse me yeah head

lead midnight yell um what was some like interactions when you were a fish trey's a junior i mean i feel like he i feel like he mostly ignored me honestly uh i don't know do you feel like did you guys get along in high school like like you've always been like friends or no Did you guys get along in high school? Like you've always been like friends?

We, no. I would say no. I don't think we got along. Well, I think later in high school we started getting along. I mean, I think it's pretty normal. I have three brothers. I think it's once I left and then Cale had some space from me. Cale was like, okay, yeah. Yeah, maybe.

We didn't get along at all, really. Before that. It's typical brother stuff but yeah i don't know that reaction is this a psychiatry rotation i have a random question this might be like kind selfish. You might have to bill me for this, but, uh, so my dad got a hip replacement at a pretty young age. He got it at, I think he was 50 years old and nothing. It wasn't like an injury thing. It just hip started hurting. Next thing you know, he couldn't walk. He goes in to get assessed. He has in the, the surgeon's like, yeah, you have

no cartilage in your hip. Like it's just not there anymore he's like that's not good um but my question was this now i'm gonna sound real dumb here not a doctor but is uh is that a genetic thing that i have to worry about like am i screwed at 50 years old i'm gonna have no cartilage or is that completely fake uh impossible to say from that really brief that was such a detailed description dude probably uh not genetic if i am just shooting off the cuff i don't know what genetic trait that that would be but uh probably like either probably had hip dysplasia, like from a young age, um, which like predisposes, like,

I don't know if he did some sports as a kid that are really intense or something. Like sometimes you'll see the gymnast, uh, like tennis and he had a desk job. It wasn't like he was an athlete. Yeah. He might've had dysplasia or you can get something called a vascular

necrosis of your hip. Um, which, you know, can happen when you're younger. usually there's like some there's some inciting factor like uh yeah like corticosteroids or something like that okay i didn't know if it was like if it was one of those things where it's like oh if your parents got replacements on joints you're more likely to or is it that's like a completely unrelated thing no probably unrelated okay cool i'm in back to

squats yeah you made it i made it congrats uh jeff jordy's not a doctor and you're not a j-tac you got another one for caleb i'm not a j-tac, dude. This sucks. Or an SSC. Oh, dude. What am I doing? Wow. Poor Jordy. Boom, boom, boom. What's it like? Is there like a standard first surgery that they teach you? And what is it like doing your first...

I'm guessing there's someone there when you do your first one. They're not just like, all right, you watched this video on YouTube? Watched YouTube. It's not the Marine Corps. What was that very first one where it's like just you in the room kind of like man so here we go very the very first time i ever like cut someone with a scalpel um i was at hopkins doing that research fellowship i was i thought you were gonna say i was 15 and it was Trey. Yeah. Have you heard this story about Trey cutting our sister? No,

let's get there next though. I was, uh, I was doing this research fellowship and it's a lot of times you have these kind of like easier surgeries so they'll do stuff like either wash it out or like if there's an infection and you have to cut something open and wash it out um or uh i was doing it's called a removal of hardware so if you go in and put some metal in it has to come out for whatever reason, then it's just called removing the hardware. And so I was doing that with this guy at Hopkins. He's like a big dog, really well-known in the field. A lot of RVs. Yeah, a lot of RVs.

He's the one that named removing the metal as a surgery. Yeah. And it was on this young girl because he was a pediatric orthopedic surgeon and they hadn't like fully she was like anesthetized but not she could still feel stuff she just wasn't like homeschooled what does that word mean uh she was like put to sleep under anesthesia it. She, she was still responsive to some degree, depending on you can like, depending on the level of like anesthesia.

And so I, I was like freaking out, like really nervous. And I like start, like made the initial cut and she was like, her leg like jumps off the table. And I was like, I was like freaking out. and then i don't know

i don't know if i should tell you yet the first real surgery that i did this makes me sound like a terrible surgeon but um there's better than there's a a fracture that's really common orthopedics called an intertrochanteric fracture where if you look at your femur the shaft kind of goes up to the ball um for the ball and socket of your hip and the intertrochanteric is like right through my watch band kind of like right up like right at the curve of your femur and it's really common in old people um and i was doing you treat those with something called an intramedullary nail which is just like a big piece of metal that goes down the middle of the femur like in the hollow part

and i put in it's it's a long rod that goes down the middle and then there's a helical blade that goes into the neck and into the head so it i mean it it kind of looks like this essentially but metal uh i don't have i have one i have one in my drawer we'll see about operating on my cat later and i uh i got the portion in the head and neck but i missed the part that goes through the femur because if you think about an x-ray it's just like a two-dimensional picture of a three-dimensional thing. So it looked like it was in, but it was really behind the femur. And I was really embarrassed.

I'm still embarrassed about it. But that was the first real surgery that I did, and I totally botched it. Yeah. So is that just like a back it out back yeah yeah like is it is it kind of like i mean i know it's not like putting a screw in the wall but is it it's almost exactly like that yeah okay yeah yeah so i missed it missed the stud go back in okay we're good now yeah yeah basically yeah and the person and the person suffers none from that none i mean other than they have like

you know it's like a 15 minute longer procedure or something like that okay yeah but in terms of like recovery recovery and stuff though none like physically yeah yeah nothing like that where you're like this is going this is like drilling in there really easy like this well so i drilled into the bone but wait so real quick and pardon my but like like are you literally using like mechanical drills yeah okay so you're like wow so it's literally like i should have just pulled this out this is like oh look at dude you could be a starting strength coach look at that real human bone let's talk about arms. I took he took it home. Yeah, that was from that surgery.

I took the femur. Pretty sick, huh? He did. Yeah, here it is. Now you should explain it. No long term issues. Look at him getting out of bone to actually try and teach us. Then we just roast him. I'm sorry. As I like to say, I'm

sorry, pal. Trey, hit him with like a deep sports question. Trey likes to go into the weeds. We've been trying to do sports. Trey likes to talk about like what the freshman from the top high school in Arkansas that is potentially interested in Texas A&M is eating for dinner three nights a week. And what his coach's name is like Trey, Trey really gets down. He hates sports.

Yeah. I don't watch sports. Yeah. Okay. Okay. He has no idea. Next topic. It would be a very short answer.

Yeah. Sees too many injuries. Wait. So, so you fish though. That's what I want to bring up. You fish. Yeah. I, yeah. I, you like to fish i like to fish yeah okay um so i just went

you know we've been to alaska several times probably what four or five times now to go halibut salmon fishing um i just got back from hawaii yesterday and we went deep sea fishing there, um, which was cool. Well caught yellowfin tuna and a striped Marlin. And that's what you said the photo of, right? The striped Marlin. Yeah.

Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Um, but that was, that was fun. The, the,

so I just like randomly booked this charter. I had no idea. That's where my question was. Yeah. And this guy was just wild. He was like a weird combination of like, he was like a drill instructor and like a really hard coach. And he was just like degrading you the whole time.

That's how my guide is. That's exactly how my guide is except the redneck version. Yeah. Well, this guy, he was like, we, it was me and my brother-in-law,

my father-in-law and my brother-in-law's wife. And, um, I think he was like trying to like rein in his like inappropriate comments sometime because the, the guy is like the deckhand or whatever, the other guy there who was helping us out, he, he had like gotten his shirt all bloody from like prepping this tuna. And so he took his shirt off and the captain was up,

like up at the, whatever you call it, you know, steering the boat and it was like, Oh whatever you call it you know steering the boat and was like oh you need you need another shirt and the guy was like why do you have one he's like yeah i got one up here it says i like big gay men he like looked at my sister-in-law i was like gay men like you could tell he was clearly trying to say something way worse than that yeah and that was like way worse his filtration of gay men and you stood up on on the deck and said we're from texas we can take it i was like hey i'm a big gay man yeah 5 11 225 with a 515 deadlift i want to mr femur screw what say you no that's good we caught fish yeah we caught yeah four four fish nice there's a big fish too so yeah seriously so i've done charter fishing i've and then like lately i've been picking up fly fishing

so i got hired guide then i try to go by myself would you say like when you like to fish you like So I've done charter fishing. And then like lately I've been picking up fly fishing. So I got hired guide. Then I try to go by myself. Would you say like when you like to fish, you like to like go out and make sure you have success? Cause there's nothing I like better than fishing with like my guide. When I go with my guide, I got to shout him out. John Connett's hairs,

fly fishing. Like I catch fish. I catch big fish. I learn a ton. Like it's amazing. When I go my by myself, like I went with my oldest brother today, I caught one nice rainbow. And then, like, the second fish I caught was, like, that big.

And I was like, hell yeah, brother. I caught that by myself. Like, this is amazing. But I was also like, I understand why some people would never want to view fishing from this because I go in with, like, okay, what do I have to learn? What are the bugs doing? Like, what's the's the water doing you know how can i conserve this country for jeff you know i'm thinking about all the big topics but like when like when you fish would you say there's like like your brother clearly is taking a bass fishing to the point where like

he can go by himself and catch whatever yeah do that or are you like hey i really enjoy being on the water i'm a busy doctor when i go i want to bring in a striped marlin um i mean i i honestly don't fish in lubbock at all there's there's a pretty good bass lake actually like not far from here i don't even have like like any equipment here to do that i know you can get some yeah but pretty fish emporium if i i mean if i go i just like like when we go to alaska i i'm not really bothered if we don't catch very much it's like i just like being out yeah they're hanging out with family and you know being on a boat in the middle of alaska and hawaii was the same way like being in hawaii just hanging out and catching up stuff though yeah it helps it for sure yeah it helps me catch that so before we like wrap up and talk about his financials

and what his plans are going into the next tax season. Any saved rounds from anybody? Quick shots. You good, PJ? What's your favorite bone? Ooh. This is not an uncommon interview question for orthopedic

residency. Wow. You just answered and said, big gay man. i don't know potential sponsor yeah vgm yeah i i don't have a favorite but probably like to fix maybe like i like tibia plateau fractures i think those are kind of cool or femur fractures. Those are cool. Big ones.

I mean, you have a few, most ass. So yeah, the most overrated bone. And if you were like, you don't need this bone, get this bone out of here.

You know how they just pull the appendix out. Like that. Oh, gallbladder. Useless. Yeah. You don't need to filter bile. i mean fibula like i feel like the fibula is not i mean it's important but it's not like vitally important like some of the stuff

that you do for reconstruction you take something called the like a fibula autographed where you just a vascularized fibula where you just take the vascular pedicle of the fibula and you can cut it cut out that section and move it somewhere else um oh i thought you were like autographing bones when you cut people up like i had it was here yeah no autographed trey here's the homeschool guy over here was with you. Wow, so you don't even need it. I mean, you need parts of it, but you can do without it, I guess. Nice. Trey, you got to save around for your little brother.

Oh, man. Hey, who got the hotly contested? Who got the buzz cut first? Me, for sure. Yeah. Agreed to disagree. You did take it to the extreme here recently. I was going to say, I don't think that's a buzz cut.

Yeah. Did we want to talk about this story of Trey stabbing her sister? Yeah, go for it strong strong word is we don't have a say around but caleb does questions down if you guys have oh yeah oh yeah yes yeah so trey was what were you like five or something older i think no i was like four better that's not

true he's probably like 16 i was i was four yeah he like drove to this incident no he uh my dad had given him a pocket knife and just i think he taught us to whittle or something and trey went up behind my sister and was playing gi joe and like put it on her neck and cut her throat dude she had to go get stitches like in her and it was like a quarter of an inch yeah it was like a quarter of an inch away from her jugular vein okay you were a little baby you don't can't any remembering cam was a little bit yeah it scarred him dude yeah i was traumatized dang yeah that's not true train the murder got it yeah yeah so what questions you got for us caleb um okay let's see here talk about being a doctor so jordy oh uh you mentioned a

couple times you studied music i think right yes i mean yeah so i so i was reading this book last week on vacation um and he had this quote in this book that i thought was interesting he was like from the point of view of an architect. And he was like, um, basically like everything in life is mathematics and music is applied mathematics. And architecture is like applied music of math.

And, uh, and I thought that was interesting. And I was wondering if you use like what you learned studying music, like day to day, or if you think about it at all after graduating okay karen tower geez oh man yeah that's that's a deep pal dr pal i'm gonna attempt to have i'm gonna attempt to have somewhat of an intelligent answer here but um i do think

that there's a relationship between music and math um there's there's i wouldn't call it formulas but there are rules there's structures there's, I wouldn't call it formulas, but there are rules, there's structures, there's things that work and things that don't work. You can obviously bend the rules later, but typically like, Hey, if you're in the key of C, you're probably going to be playing G and F. Like it's just kind of the structure of things. It's almost like a lack of formula. And so I do think that there's a lot of math components or like related kind of math things. And so I do think that there's a lot of math components or like related kind of math things. In terms of what I use from music school, I mean, besides like actually like playing, I would say that it was all around the skills you learn from performing.

So how to, because you're on the spot, you're in front of a lot of people, you can't mess up the pressures on. So just that process of being in a high pressure situation, um, having to prepare for it, having to prepare so much that you can do it when you're nervous, all of that, um, understanding how to, how to improvise when you mess up on stage in front of a bunch of people and try to save it. I would say that just learning how to handle those situations helps you with a sales conversation or, you know, probably, you know, anything, you know? Yeah. That's what I would say. Cool.

Good answer. Big music guy. That was an intelligent answer. That was my best shot. That was good. My favorite bone is a female. Yeah. All right.

Grant. Oh, no. my favorite bone is a female yeah all right uh grant oh no um what would you say most difficult and rewarding parts of starting your own business are and what do you wish someone had told you prior to starting their own business that's a good question we'll think about for a second um okay i think Okay, I think... Should I go difficult first? Yes. Yeah, okay. Because that's what comes to mind. I think difficult, what I didn't realize,

and maybe this is partly in part being a Marine. So I think one of the reasons I started a business is because as a Marine, it's like, make a decision, go do it. And it's like, you see an opportunity, you're like, I should do this. The other thing that's like set up a Marine Corps structure is Jeff's the CEO, I'm the XO, Jeff, you're dead. Oh, look, there's this other guy ready to do your job. And I think what I didn't realize in business, like a small business like mine is

like, there's no next person. And like, yes, like we have a great team. People are great. But in terms of like the vision of the company, making sure things happen, like going on at like the, at the, the, the size and stature that we are, it's like, Hey, I want to go fly fishing for a day to a place for no signal. I'm going to get back home at 6 PM and be up till 2 AM, like catching up on all the stuff that

didn't get done. So I never really asked the question. That's also my fault. I never went into life thinking like, I'm going to own my own business. I just did it. But I think the difficult part is realizing that if you own a small business, you are the small business. And yes, you can have great people helping you along the way, but you're the guy. And if you don't do something, you don't do something. The rewarding side, I think, is double. Some people would say, Oh, you're your own boss. You can do what you want. You can go fly fishing on a Tuesday, whenever you want. like that is, that is rewarding

to do. I would say that the, the, the first part like kind of cancels that out. But I, I think the rewarding part is like your vision and like your change. Right. And again, this may be coming from again of my background as a Marine Corps officer, it's like you have a bad Marine, someone that has an important job and they're terrible. You can't fire them. You can't say, I don't want to use them anymore. You have to use them. You can go through a bunch of bureaucracy to try to get rid of them, but you can't just get rid of them. This also happens in big companies. As I talked to my brothers in places they work at, but I think being a small business owner, one thing that's nice is you find someone good,

you're like, hey, we're going to do this together. I'm going to make sure it's worth your time. And it's going to be great for you, and it's going to be great for me. And boom, it's good. And then you get someone that's not great, and you're just like, hey, yeah, I'm not going to pay you to do this anymore.

And this is down to our biggest businesses are cast iron plates. And, you know, we had a foundry doing it. We had a machine shop and we had an e-coder and the e-coder just like started messing everything up. And I'm talking like large amounts of money going through them. And I was just like, these people suck. Let me find another person in Wisconsin. Oh, these people are better. Boom. Switch to these people. And these people are like, these people suck. Let me find another person in Wisconsin. Oh, these people are better. Boom. Switch to these people. And these people are like, wait, what?

We've been doing this for you for two years. I'm like, yeah. And all of a sudden, you're terrible out of nowhere. And I brought it up six times. And here's all this stuff. It's over. And I think having not like, oh, I can make decisions, but being able to make sure the service or the product that you're providing is good and having complete control where it's like, tomorrow, you can be like, hey, no, we're no longer meeting our objectives. I actually think that's rewarding. That's more rewarding than like, oh, if I want to sleep in till nine on a Wednesday, cool. I'm a business owner. That's whatever. But being able to make an impact in

what actually drives your livelihood, I think that's probably the coolest part of it. Cool. So sleeping in and firing people? Yeah. Nice. Thanks. Sound like a real winner over here. That was a good answer.

Jeff, obviously this podcast is riddled with your accomplishments obviously yeah um what would you say your proudest accomplishment has been or if you don't want to answer that because i know you're very humble what is a favorite book you've read recently okay definitely the book question oh come on oh no um actually it's it's kind of like timely because i think there's a bunch of posts from the camaraderie of the marine corps and the sergeant major of the marine corps about being at bella wood uh i just read a book that was all about like the battle of Bella wood. So famous battle Marine Corps history, world war one Marine Corps was kind of in a really weird spot in terms of like their just like existence that like a lot of people were gun informed

to just kind of like, Hey, we don't need them. We've got the army, like let's get out of the Marine Corps. And it was like a big battle that kind of like solidified the Marine Corps is like, you know, need within the construct of like the military branches and did a lot of great stuff.

And it was like just horrendous battle. A lot of people lost their lives. But really good book. I think it's called The Miracle at Belleau Wood. If anybody wants to go look that one up. Yeah. hole at bella wood if anybody wants to go look that one up um yeah honestly i you know it's a battle you learn about like from ocs and tbs they talk about it but i didn't know the whole like backstory and the actual like importance of it uh so that was super cool to kind of understand

like where its actual position in the marine corps history was so i recommend that book wait to screw up the accomplishments jeff yeah the accomplishment is that i read a book i mean on the 6th of june 1918 jeff biggie in the marine storm bella wood jeff is just your sincerity is palpable through the screen. It's crazy. You're just a mensch. You're a real mensch. Sometimes. I don't really have a good one for Trey. That's fine. I wrote down what motivates you, but I don't know. You don't have to answer.

There's two things. They're about this long, and they weigh about this much, and they cry for food. I will say it was funny because we were talking i was talking to jeff about when i was coming up with goals for weightlifting and it was just one more pound than what caleb lifted so that was a good motivation there you go lovely competition yeah yeah it's good all right so There you go.

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I didn't mean to take your doctorate degree away from you, by the way. That was an accident. I wasn't listening in the beginning. A lot of people do it, yeah. That was great. Well, Caleb, is there any place you want to lead people if they need a femur surgery? No. Anything you want to advertise?

None? Nothing? No, no. I'm taking a hiatus from social media, so don't look me up or find me. Go to New York next year. Yeah. Well, thanks for coming on. Caleb Gottlich in Texas.

Everyone calls him pal. Thanks for coming. Dr. Gottlich, I think you're the first doctor on the show. Gotledge in Texas. Everyone calls him pal. Thanks for coming. Dr. Gotledge. I think you're the first doctor on the show. Am I right? True. Unless the random guy from the Arnold was a doctor and we didn't know it. But I don't think so.

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good dude dude he's so much smarter than you ah dude what's funny he's not much smarter than you. Oh, dude. Trey. You know, what's funny, he's not even the smartest one in the family. Yeah, the sister you tried to kill. I understand. First of all, who gives a three-year-old the pocket knife?

Trey keeps getting younger. Yeah. I was four. I was three. I was three. I was three. Three or four. I tried to actually answer his question. He goes, do you like firing people? Cool.

I've been sleeping until nine. I was like, wait, what? First of all, yes. Is the answer. You know how satisfying it is to fire somebody who's not good at their job? Was I not clear? Oh, man. It's tough. Good. fine is to fire somebody who's not good at their job yeah was that not clear oh man dude uh good stuff good yeah thanks for having him on trey uh can you have your brother next week yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah actually i would love to have your dad on oh if you can make that happen i would love to talk about like 1950s. He would love that.

Yeah. Okay. Big Paul. Was he captain? No, he was a commander. So, O5. Commander. Okay.

Love to have Big Paul on the show. Okay. Okay. Big Paul. We'd probably need to pre-write his questions so he could do a little research. Although, he wouldn't need to do research because he likes it he's like already researched it graphic memory yeah is it just 1950s baseball or is it no 50s no no well oak oak okay uh this morning i went outside and i was drinking my coffee and i looked at the pool and i took the

cover off and i said i think the water temperature is about 71 degrees and put the thermometer in. It was actually 71.2, but that's okay. In 1984, when I put the pool in, it was actually 71.4 degrees on this day. And yeah, anyway. He sounds like I'm this. Then I went back in and I verified in my Excel document

that I've been tracking daily pool temperature. Is your dad eating all those? A real thing. No. Is your dad eating all those? A real thing. Is your dad Chad GPT? Yes. That's who has to know my questions too. Jeff's dad. That's what it is.

Jeff's dad answering emails. Grant bot on Slack is actually Paul. Jeff, I think we Slack is actually Paul. Yeah. Uh, Jeff, I think we got like two topics and then we'll have to wrap it. Okay. Top two slides. Like, you know, at the end of a slide deck in a Marine brief and you hit the quad slide.

All right. We're at the quad slide. I'm a big quad slide. I love it. I love it. Love the quad slide. Um, so let's talk, I think memorial day that there were two subjects i think that were dropped in the our little thread there about memorial day um one being like kind of i i don't know if it's a misconception but some of

like civilians and i definitely got some like texts and stuff like that of like oh thank you for your service and it's like okay it's any I don't know how do you approach that like it's like that's not what Memorial Day is actually about but I also don't want to be like hey dummy that's not what you should say to me well let me let Trey answer that first so I whenever I ask and then we'll ask PJ because he'll have like an unbiased opinion. I always take it kind of, because that happens to me every now and then. Take it as just like a, I don't want to say educate the person, but just basically say, hey, thanks for that. Like today's the day just to remember those who didn't make it.

So that's, and I'd say Veterans Day is kind of what you're probably thinking of the difference between Veterans Day and Memorial Day and kind of separate those two out but yeah I try to keep it and remind people of like hey these are for all the people who didn't come home so what do you think PJ

I mean about Memorial Day like what did you think Monday like you're a patriot. Yeah. You love this country. I'm just, no. Yeah, yeah. You're made in USA t-shirt.

No, but like, I mean, don't be somber, but I'm just saying like, as someone that didn't, like, so when people serve, whether you've been to combat and had someone die next to you or not, like, you definitely know someone or know a brother in service that lost someone or you know someone that served and then killed themselves like you definitely know so like i think we're

kind of like biased as to like oh well this isn't about thank you for your service i think most people just don't think about it they just it's just like a memorial remembering remembering the the armed forces or the people who served. But I mean, I knew it was for the people who didn't come home. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that, but I don't think that, I don't think it's ill.

I don't think that people say that like out of ill will, or I don't think that's like malicious. I think it's just, no, no, no. They don't think about it that much, which is actually just a luxury, you know? Yeah. That's a good point. No, it's good.

Yeah, no, I mean, I think I kind of take trade response depending on the person. Like, you know, oh, like, this is Memorial Day. Grant just fires him. Yeah, I just fire him. No, like, I just, like, I try and tell them. I mainly think of, in California for five years, I always talk to this Catholic school on every Veterans Day.

And on Veterans Day, I would actually talk about Memorial Day so they knew the two difference. Because I would ask them, what is today about? They'd be like, everyone that died. I'm like, no. And so then you'd explain it to them. And then I also tell them them like hey it's a good thing to be aware about because they're like you probably know someone that served and they

probably know someone that died right like i mean i think of head yell later texas a&m grant his dad f-18 pilot buford south carolina 1988 collision in training, you know, died when Grant was two. And so, you know, when I think of Memorial days, I think of men like that. I think of like guys that I have known of that have died guys that I've served with that have killed themselves. And I, and I, you know, I think of it from that realm. So I just try to tell people like, hey, it's different. But at the same time, I'm never offended when someone's like, happy Memorial Day. I'm like, oh, you know what? They realize today's about the military and they thought of me.

They mean well. Yeah. I mean, people probably should know more. Probably important to keep in mind, but I just don't think it's top of mind. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, people probably should know more, you know, like probably important to keep in mind, but I just don't think it's top of mind. Yeah. What was the other part in there? Did you do a little moto run? Yeah, kind of, but no, but also, yeah.

So it was actually Saturday before Memorial Day. Okay. I was like, I need to do a little low right of Leo. And so I was just going to do this jog. It's like two miles out and back. And after one mile, you get on this trail. And so I hit this trail. And if there's a run going on, there's usually signs all the days before. Like, on this day, there'll be this run.

They just warn you, but I haven't been running. So I'm going, and I'm like, there'll be this run. Like they just warn you, but I haven't been running. So I'm going and I'm like low and slow, baby cooking a pulled butt barbecue. Like Jeff Biggie. Hey, it's not about the speed. It's about moving the legs. And I hit that part of the trail and I just see army flag, Marine Corps flag, you know, police firefighters. Right. And I'm like going and I'm like looking at everyone. It's like, you know, police, firefighters, right? And I'm like going and I'm like looking at everyone. It's like, you know, this fire department, this police department, and they're like taking up the whole trail. So I'm on the grass on the side and they're walking actually and like carrying flags. A lot of them have weight vest on. And I'm just like looking for any one Marine Corps. And I'm like speeding up, like without trying.

I'm just like, I'm going faster. I'm going faster. And also I'm like, man, I'm like passing these people. And I get to the front and there's like three guys in the front. And one of them was wearing a desert Marine Corps boonie cover. And I actually have headphones in playing fleet Foxes.

That's what really gets me going when I run. And as I pass, I see the Marine Corps thing and I just go, I get. And like, right. As I pass, I see the Marine Corps thing and I just go, I get it. And like right as I pass, I just hear, yuck, yeah, devil dog. And I'm like, it's so motivating. I like sprint. But the bad part is like I'm almost at my turnaround point.

And so I'm like, I'm going to have to go there, turn around and come back fast. And so I go back. And when I'm coming up, to go there, turn around and come back fast. And so I go back. And when I, when I'm coming up, the guy like recognizes me. And so he's like, hi, yet. And I'm like, and then like from all throughout the formation, people start saying Iran yet. And I was like, Marines are the greatest, like the, the greatest people ever.

Like you just run by and go yet. And they all get excited. So, yeah, no, I was not a part of a motor run but I ran by a moto walk and uh I was motivated so that's what matters well I need you to do the Murph because you're anti-murf right oh he hates the Murph I did the Murph so many times. Not anti-Murf. I had a client say that I was anti-Murf. He was like, I feel like when I tell you I'm doing Murph training, you're anti-Murf. And I was like, no.

Four years ago, when it was your first month of starting strength, and you were doing 300 air squats to prepare for Murph, and wondered why your squat wasn't going well, I was just saying, well, it's because you're doing Murph every day. There you go. Wow. Big pro Murph guy. Funny story on that. Monday, I went fishing on Memorial Day with my wife and the Battalion XO texted all the battery CEOs and he was like, happy Murph Day, brothers. 35 pound vest, 16 and then like they all replied like with their times and then I get off the water at like 17 or 5 p.m for you non uh military types

I named him Murph here Here's my Murph. Oh, that's really good. Dang. That's a pretty good time for a 35-pound vest. Yeah, I thought so too. Range of motion is always subject to scrutiny. So is Mark Zuckerberg's time. Yeah.

I did see a video. This is kind of a crossfit talk here of dave bailey grant might know who that is uh doing uh murph with 100 pounds and it just looked awful yeah didn't like two hours but what's your best murph oh gosh uh i don't know i'd have to i'm sure i have something written down somewhere dude this guy's jacked yeah dan billy's jacked oh my gosh he's got massive arms oh oh g crossfit yeah actually not the os of g's but pretty og but pretty og yeah i don't know i was usually around like low 40s weighted or unweighted weighted yeah so the bat but i don't

remember i've done it done it waited a lot i i was sub 30 unweighted okay that's good but like one time and like but yeah i haven't done it a long time i actually thought about it because i saw like when they post that i was like god if i didn't merge today i don't have three i haven't done it in a long time i actually thought about it because i saw like when they post that i was like god if i didn't merge today i don't have three i don't have three hours anyway next slide let's see i guess we kind of covered basketball and then we got to cover hockey. It's about Florida, the state of Florida, and the rich tradition of hockey. Former Floridian here. Shout out. Do you know what the team name is of the team

in the East Championship right now? There's no way. Can you name two hockey teams from Florida? No. Not at all. One of them was in the city you lived in miami no no you go by the florida panthers case closed not a hockey state funny they're playing the new york rangers original six it's florida there's no ice rival of boston so like i should pull against them and i'm like

i want the rangers to win yeah like and maybe two years in a row the panthers knock the bruins out but i'm just like no one one in Florida cares about hockey. No, yeah. Kaylee and I are usually pretty anti-Florida teams. It's 2-2 in the third. We're born for the Rangers in that one, for sure. Yeah. But they also have a lot of championships.

You're just anti-Florida for any reason in particular? He hates the Everglades. He doesn't like the San Francisco. He's just kind of trash state. Yeah. for any reason in particular? You're still like... He hates the Everglades. He doesn't like the San Francisco. He's just kind of a trash state. Yeah. Just a generally trash state. Potential sponsor, Florida. Florida.

Yeah, yeah. You know why he hates it? Because we're from the south. The south. Florida's not the south. Not at all. Florida is Florida. Florida's its own thing just like i think texas is his own thing yeah yeah yeah and you hate texas too right is that what you said

jim as long as you still live there i won't hate the nice thing quality only redeeming qualities the nice thing about Texas is everything's bigger that I have found to be the case yes including the DFW nightmares love DFW

you got any save rounds on that list Notre Dame lacrosse was an interesting one I saw on there. My theory on it, though, in my head that I created was that you were at some restaurant, someone came in wearing a Notre Dame lacrosse shirt, you said something to them,

they said something back to you, and then you struck up this big, long conversation and now you're going to be the strength and conditioning coach for the Notre Dame lacrosrosse team everything was true until the last part but yeah what do they win like four years in a row or something i don't know yeah they're like really good and they're talking like they're good and yeah no i was hoping actually actually nolan wanted me to talk about lacrosse so i wasn't talking about oh nice hopefully no one made it this far i actually

forgot what my main takeaway was but i did run into someone wearing a notre dame hat and i was like go irish because like i really like to when i see like fans to like say their thing because you immediately know if they're a fan and i'll be the first to say that red hatters are the worst of this like you see a boston hat walk down this uh sidewalk or greenville i'll be like go socks they don't even they don't even look at me they have no idea what's going on but every now and then it's more fashion go socks and then they'll be like actually go celtics and you're like oh yeah that guy knows. It's a fashion piece. And so I like to do that with teams like go blue. Actually, I will say Michigan fans are pretty good.

If you see a Michigan hat and you say go blue. So I just like to do that. And I said, go Irish. And he was like, go Irish lacrosse. And I was like, I know nothing about lacrosse. And that was the wrong thing to say. I was educated on how they're champions. It's funny you say that.

Lacrosse was big in Indiana when I was growing up. I know a lot of people who played lacrosse. I don't know. I just made that connection. I only knew the guys from Duke lacrosse. Hey. Hey. Not well, yeah.

Not well. I don't know. Only there with my age. Who put lacrosse on the map, Duke? Not well, yeah. Not well. Not well. Who put lacrosse on the map, Duke? Nolan Hickey. I watched one lacrosse game. It was the... Yeah, it was Cats.

Oh, yeah. Was it play? Kansas? No, UConn. Was it UConn? Wildcats. I think it was UConn. UConn, same thing. Was it UConn? Wildcats! I think it was UConn.

No, it wasn't. She was... It's up in... Northeastern. It's up in Illinois. I had the mascot right. Big mascot guy. Look who showed up just in time for Wildcats. Say, Nolan, Nolan, Nolan.

You mean Northwestern? Northwestern. It was like Easter. Yeah, I'm thinking New England. It's a purple team, right? Yeah, Northwestern. Yeah, it's up there. I'm pretty upset

I messed that one up. That's okay. Well, if you made it this far, we appreciate you listening. Big thanks to Caleb Powell Gotledge for coming on the show. Trey, thanks for hooking up a guest.

Yeah, my bad. Dr. Gotledge. Indeed. At this point of the show, we've always done what we'll continue to do we've done it 21 times well actually I guess it's happened 19 times because someone decided to have two

babies and missed two episodes but at this point of the show we turn it over to the doctor's brother tell us what we can do what episode is this again? 022. 022. All right,

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