The Okay Podcast Powered by The Strength Co. - EP 26: All About Ozempic feat. Dr. Jake Herber

Episode Date: June 28, 2024

Podcast Hosts: Grant Broggi: Marine Veteran, Owner of The Strength Co. and Starting Strength Coach. Jeff Buege: Marine Veteran, Outdoorsman, Football Fan and Lifter Tres Gottlich: Marine Veteran, Texan, Fisherman, Crazy College Football Fan and Lifter Join the Slack and Use code OKAY: https://buy.stripe.com/dR6dT4aDcfuBdyw5ks Check out BW Tax: https://www.bwtaxllc.com TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Summer, Bitcoin & The Debate 07:27 - Training Family Members 16:29 - Jeff Joins 17:57 - College Baseball 21:16 - JJ Redick & Coaching 29:57 - Jake’s Background 33:49 - Ozempic Deep Dive 01:05:03 - Being A Doctor In The Air Force 01:14:17 - The Midwest 01:16:10 - Soccer 01:20:45 - Lifting, Massenomics & Lift Hard Live Easy 01:33:54 - Epic BW Tax Ad Read 01:40:16 - Hockey 01:46 - PJ Signs Us Off

All right, and welcome back to episode 026 of the OK Podcast, powered by The Strength Co. We're recording from the beautiful upstate of South Carolina. It's kind of weird. It's still light outside. Yeah, the summer. It was the longest day of the year. June 20th. June 20th. Yeah, I always thought the first day of summer was something made up by Connor from the Costa Mesa gym, which meant that he was off from school. That sounds right.

But apparently it's scientific. But I don't believe the science. But I'll tell you one thing. It's still light outside. The summer solstice. Yeah, solstice, solstice. But the date is June the 25th in the year of our Lord. Twenty twenty four.

The block height is eight four nine five zero two. Shout out Zach Copley. We'll talk about him a little later in the year of our Lord, 2024. The block height is eight, four, nine, five, zero, two shout outs that copy. We'll talk about him a little later in the show. Uh, I was a little worried we were going to come into the show in the fifties, but we're not, no, we're good, dude. We're good. We're fine. Yeah. We're 61. Uh, what was, what was, uh, what was Bitcoin on January 4th? Great question. We should have that just posted on the wall. It really should be. Yeah, I know it's up since then. It closed. Oop.

BYC is not BTC. It's asking me about New York City. Yeah, it opened at 43.2 and closed at 43.159. Okay. So we're still up a large margin. A large margin. Did it flash yet? We're still on block height. But yeah, we're still up a large margin oh large 60 did the flash yeah we're still on block height but yeah we're at like 62 000 um not to fret whenever i see a dip i think here we go trump is going all in on bitcoin is he what do you do now now he's talking he keeps talking about it

uh the bitcoin uh and he's maybe a bitcoin the bitcoins like if i named my company strength co he would call it the strength the strength cause yeah and he i think he's getting he's in talks right now about talking at like the big bitcoin conference or something in july this summer that's the one in miami i think is i think that's the one he's talking about i've been there a couple times it's interesting yeah i some people go, it sounds like a nerd convention for geniuses that are going to all get rich on the moon. And everybody goes and there's all these speakers and then there's two people that they care about. Yeah. And that's usually how it goes. Who are the two people this year? I don't know about this year, but before it's been Sam Bakeman Friedman. He wasn't a speaker, but he was a big deal. I know

Michael Saylor was a big deal. I know Ron Paul spoke at it. OG. So that Trump might speak at it. Trump might speak at it, which is actually kind of crazy for him to do that. That would be wild. I mean, we'll find out Thursday. What was he at?

34 felonies before 36, 36, right? 34. I think it was maybe 34. So yeah. After he's probably at 36 now after the conference will be at 68. Yeah, it'll be at 68. Just like the price of Bitcoin.

If today you're listening to it's Friday morning. Hopefully the leader of the free country and the person trying to become the leader of the free country is still alive and didn't kill himself on the debate stage last night. Oh, yeah. I wonder how that went. You know, I used to... No, it's this Thursday. Well, yeah. If you're talking to people like it's Friday.

Yeah. Futuristic. Usually I kind of get into debates, especially like early primaries. I watch them. Because they're funny. Yeah. But this one, I don't really care. And not because I'm not a good statesman.

I'm just like, eh. It's like a rerun? Two 80-year-olds. It's like I've seen this before. Hope nobody craps their pants. I mean, my opinion on how much valuable information am I going to get from any given debate is low. Oh, no, it just might be funny.

It just might be funny. It might be funny. But at the same time, it's still a cultural moment that I feel like, hey, even if 99% of this is garbage, there might be 1% that I feel like I want to know. Or you just want to see it before the internet rebrands it for you. That's the worst. And shapes it to you the way they want to.

Like if he, if, if, if president Biden comes out on drugs. Oh yeah. I want to see it with my own eyes. I think they should both be on drugs. I think they both will be.

Yeah. I mean, you should, you should have to be on Adderall and Ozempic. If you're going to talk a lot about Ozempic tonight. So if you're the kind of guy that usually logs on and listens to Jordy and I talk about Bitcoin and you're a hot alert of the moon and then you log off, that is not your night for tonight. We are going to talk about Ozempic and how to get shredded. Yes.

And jacked and rich on Bitcoin. Here's the price right here. 6178 current price of Bitcoin up from 43,000 when we started just 26 weeks ago. It's not bad. No, it's great. It's not bad. That's great. 10, 20, like 25% increase.

Yeah. Even if you think back to the last all-time high, like a few years ago, it hit $69,000. Nice. Nice. And if you think about that, you're like, oh, and then it went to this big crash and everything. And then you look now, you're like, well, it's like well it's actually like 61 it's actually not that crazy it's fine you're doing fine it goes on sale every once in a while yeah he needs to it goes on ozempic every once in a while speaking of which uh the uh block height zach copley sent us the block clock

we have a new gift if you're not watching on YouTube head over to the okay podcast uh I think that's exactly what it's called on YouTube the okay podcast I'm holding a Jim Bowie Bowie knife uh Jim Bowie the man who created the knife uh Battle of the Alamo wish Trey was here to talk about the war of Mexican Independence but in any event we want to make sure we can get into this box so from zach copley um i've had this knife since i was 13 years old it's a case uh i call a b f k and if you can't figure that out big fancy knife yeah big fancy knife uh so i have no idea what he sent uh jim booey used to do it like this all right right. I'm going to check it out here.

A lot of packaging. Oh, yeah. I need the knife once again. It's a Crypto Cloaks. It's a Bitcoin grenade. What? Look at this. It is a Bitcoin grenade. Just what I needed.

Guaranteed to take you to the moon. You can pull the pin and everything. I'm scared to let go of the handle. What happens if you throw it? Yeah. So shout out, Zach Copley. Thanks for the Bitcoin grenade. We are ready to go to the moon here.

We have everything we need. This is awesome. The pin's out. Uh-oh. Let's see what happens here. Oh. Oh. You put a bitcoin in there what i don't know since you did that bitcoin just hit 120 000 yeah for the hotness we'll put that up front forever to be displayed on the show oh you have stuff you want to send to us uh ds dms on instagram join our slack for 29 a month and spend more money on shipping labels to send us

stuff but we'll take it yeah you're really missing it missing out if you're not on the slack community Instagram join our slack for 29 a month and spend more money on shipping labels to send us stuff but we'll take it yeah you're really missing it missing out if you're not on the slack community you're missing all the latest updates you're late you're missing the jokes you're missing the memes you're missing the emojis um you actually really are missing a lot because uh for example today some guys gave me some YouTube topic ideas I filmed a couple YouTube videos today uh what should I say before the guys get on I did want to say something I've been dealing with the last few weeks is uh training family members and specifically training your kids or training your wife and I'll take the first one first so training your kids so

everyone's seen the overzealous dad the the overzealous mother. They have children. They think the children are athletic and they read a bunch of stuff and they want them to be big and strong. And so they want their six-year-old, their 10-year-old, their 11-year-old to lift weights. And there's nothing wrong with that. If a kid can go into a BJJ hall and get thrown around and twisted around, and if he can around and twisted around and if he can go play football and if he can go play pickleball and you know or whatever's trending right now and play some type of sport there's nothing wrong with him walking to the gym and lifting weights the only thing that you need to understand parent is that you're not gonna train a child that's pre-puberty

like you were gonna train yourself right, right? So you come in, you're weak and pathetic and you're 30 years old post puberty. We're going to add weight to the bar each time and train you. If an eight year old walks into the gym and he's a young kid and he's underdeveloped, we can teach him how to squat. We can teach him how to deadlift. We can teach him how to press and bench, but it's not going to be the same thing. He's just going to kind of be learning. So if your kid's like super interested in lifting weights like hey that's the thing to do you know instead of the girl going to cheer or gymnastics she comes to lifting class but it's not going to be the same stimulus or thing to add so don't be afraid of it

bring your kids to the gym or if you in a garage garage gym and you want to teach them how to deadlift, like do it. But, you know, children aren't very good at getting to their correct position and holding it. And they're also still developing at a rapid rate. So Tanner stage four is what we like to say in the literature. Once a child's a Tanner stage four post puberty, you know, they can train them for boys and girls. You know, usually that's puberty, you know, they can train them for boys and girls. You know, usually that's anywhere between 13 and 16, somewhere in that world. So, uh, if your kid's seven, eight, nine years old, and I don't know, it's summertime and you're looking for something for him to do. And he wants to go to the strength co Costa Mesa. We'll take them, uh, just know that we're not going to progressively overload them this summer. Second one is the wife. And the reason I bring that up is because it comes up all the time. I was training two guys at Durham

this week. They came in for a nice session. They're both, you know, kind of studying for their strength certifications and to be personal trainers. And I was asking them, you know, who they were training. I was kind of giving them business advice for where they're training out of all that kind of stuff. And, you know, one of them said, you know, I want to train my wife, but you know, rip a toe says not to, and rip a toe says I can't. And he said it tongue in cheek, like he laughed, but I don't think that you can't train your wife. And I don't think that rip a toe actually means that you can't train your wife. And I think that if you think you can't train your wife, it's actually problematic. So the first thing I'd say is one, my scenario is a little bit different. I met my wife, she was cutting my hair, and then I sold her a gym membership. And then she started training in the gym. So I always kind of knew her as a stylist. And she always kind of knew me as a coach. And to this day, she cuts my hair. And, you know, I train in the gym. And so that was, you know, prior to marriage.

I trained in the gym. And so that was prior to marriage. And the story, and Rips talked about it a bunch on his podcast, and they'll be like, you go in there and you critique your wife and your wife gets mad and she quits training. I don't really think that's the issue. I think the issue is the way that actually you got her to go into the gym. So I think the problem is, is your wife doesn't want to train and you pass to her to train and you want her to train and she's doing Pilates and she's doing spin and she's happy. And maybe even she looks great. She's fit, you know, but you're like, you got to train, listen, I'll listen to Grant. And Grant says, you know, sarcopenia, you're atrophying unless you train, like you got to train. And you know know those kind of things maybe

she's like well does he not like the way I look why do I need to train I'm doing these other exercises they seem to work fine or maybe it's not an appearance thing it's just like leave me alone I don't want to go squat and deadlift that's something that you do and so finally maybe it's your birthday maybe it's your anniversary she decides to make you happy and she goes into the gym. She goes into the gym and now either one, you're uneducated or you just, you know, you don't know how to portray the information you want to do. And she finally goes out there to make you happy in your barking commands that are telling her to do things. And she feels like she's doing it wrong and she never wanted to be there in the first place. So I think that's generally where the problem arises from is she didn't want

to be there in the first place. And I say this with everyone in the gym. It's the same with your parents, the same with your grandmother, same with your uncle, the same with your cousin. It's the same with your wife. Anyone that gets strength training for long-term health, they get really excited about it and they want to get everyone they know and care about to do it. want to get everyone they know and care about to do it. Listen, you cannot save someone else's soul from eternity in hell, and you cannot save someone else's muscle mass. They have to do it. They have to decide. It is the only way that it happens. And so if your wife or your brother or your uncle or your aunt doesn't want to go to the gym, even if they go in there to, to appease you for a few times, as you add weight to the bar, what happens? It gets harder and they're going to get mad.

So I don't think it's the issue that your wife or whatever the relationship is. And I don't think that I don't even think that Ripto thinks that, I mean, he says that because Ripto likes to say loud things that are funny. Don't train your spouse. She'll kill you. Right? Like it's funny, but you can, but she has to want to train. Uh, and then also you need to like, not be a jerk about it. Uh, but that is where I think the problem lies. It's not in the fact that you can't train your spouse. I mean, you should be able to train your spouse. If you can't train your spouse, you're not going to be able to like figure out things day to day, like how to fix the garbage disposal on the sink. Right.

So, um, yeah. So anyway, don't be afraid to train your kids, take them to the gym, let them have fun. You know,

they're not going to train hard like you are, but they're going to do something. And your spouse, you know, just don't be a jerk about getting her to the gym. Make a compelling argument, have her watch how to get your wife to lift on the strength of YouTube. I have one helpful tip on this.

Yeah. In all of my years of coaching experience. I thought you were going to say in all your years of marriage. Yeah, that too. I'm not a starting strength coach. I'm not married, just engaged. But I have been a teacher before and gotten people to learn either martial arts or music or just a bunch of different things or working with a person who wants to get started with doing videos. Sure.

And the one thing I've learned is people don't make decisions based on logic. They make decisions based on emotion most of the time. And so talking to you're right, you can't make someone want to do it, but is there anything that you can do to try to help that along? Ultimately you can't, but I think you can help or hurt it. And the main thing is you have to make it fun, especially the first session. I feel like you have to optimize for not does she have, or he have, or whoever you're training, have the perfect squat today or the perfect deadlift or did she add or he add five pounds of the bar it's hey was this an enjoyable experience because if it's fun then it's like a reward then you're like oh i had a good time doing that if you're barking at her or him and trying to like force them to do the squats correctly and add five

pounds you didn't do it right that's technically noted then it's just like a bad experience and the emotion of that experience was bad and who wants to do things that make them feel bad yeah i agree with you that's like gym sales though but gym sales the person still wanted to walk into the gym what i'm saying is that getting them into the gym in the first place is where i think the problem lies with relations like that's gym sales like hey you come to the gym you have to have a good time yeah you think you want to do this you may not want to do it but you have to have a good time i'm just saying like i think the spousal thing becomes a problem because it's like over and over like hey look i just deadlifted

this you should deadlift it's like i don't want to live yeah it's like over and over and over and so i think that's like the problem that like the reason riptos is that all the time and every guy meets like oh i'm afraid to sharing my life yeah yeah i think it's like well the approach from like way back 18 months ago right when you found lifting yeah you actually started the problem yeah instead of you know whatever but no that's a good point yeah i mean you have to you have to make it a nice experience so many guys go in and try to be like the hard charging like this is the way to do it because i know exactly how to do it and if you don't do it right you know that's bad you're not gonna have fun i mean i don't think anyone means anything bad about it like i don't think it's bad intention about it like i don't think they're thinking about

the approach of you know what to do um like i don't think they mean i just think they're like hey i really like this thing my wife should do it yeah and you know you gotta approach a little bit different that's true yeah let's get Jeff on here all right GIG gig'em gig'em you see that a and M drama today dude I mean welcome to episode 0 to 6 of the okay okay guidons okay so much better without trey podcast uh i'm your host grant brogie pj here in studio mr biggie major biggie joining us from utah and uh gotlitch is uh maybe here maybe not so it happens you're a busy dad and a salesman in Texas. He was actually going to Oklahoma to hop on a hotel and get on the podcast and George Strait came on.

I was like, take me to Texas. And he turned around. I was like, sorry, guys. I hate it when that happens. I hate it when that happens. I'm going to take him to Texas. Yeah. He may join us, right?

It's a possibility. You never know. Possible. Possible. 10% chance. You'll have to keep listening to find out. Yeah. Zach Copley sent us a Bitcoin grenade.

What does that do? I'm unsure. Whatever your imagination holds. You can pull a pin. I guess you could put stuff in it. Oh, gosh. Does the pin just fall out? Great.

Oh, my God. The price of Bitcoin's in my hand, we have it now so now we have two bitcoin trinkets here and counting yeah um shout out to bitcoin yeah and is that copley um he's bitcoin let's talk college baseball we had a guest here in love it 12 minutes did you see the game totally Do you know who was playing? No. Okay. Nice.

Yeah. All right, next slide. You want to give the... You guys go for it. Go for it. Do you want to give the rundown on the grant? I think we just go through the final, right? Yeah.

When, you know, so you had A&M, Tennessee. A&M came out, blew the volunteers' doors off. What was the first game? like 8-1 or something? Something like that, yeah. Yeah, it was handily. One big.

Every Aggie was doing a midnight yell across the country. I did have a good feeling for the Vols. And I actually have an in-stone and text message with old BW. And I said, I think the Vols win this. And they were down 1-0 in the second game, in the fifth inning. He's like said I think the Vols won this and they were down one nothing in the second game in the fifth inning he's like what are the balls doing I was like oh they'll win this game and they won that once they split it it's best of three in the World Series in the finals okay so it's a short series and so then the rubber game yesterday Vols went up big A&M came

storming back yeah six five the Vols win the national championship. Goes straight to the press conference. How do you say that guy's name? No clue. Something. Let's just call him Schloessinger. Yeah, that's what I thought. I know that's very wrong.

Coach S. Yeah, Coach Schloessinger for the Texas A&M gig and midnight male cheerleading Aggies gets asked like, Hey like a coach after a heartbreaking loss like this we know that you know there's a big job opening up to you know down the road and just want to know like if the after this heartbreaking loss if it made you think about anything like that that was a pretty good reporter voice I feel like that was actually really good yeah I felt like I was at the press conference yeah Yeah. Well, can you just be Coach Schloessinger and give your little, his rebuttal?

Yeah, I'll just, I'll kind of ad-lib the quote here, but it was like, yeah, I left my wife and kids to take this job. Like, this is the only job I'm ever going to have. Like, this is my whole life. Texas A&M, definitely not going to take the Texas job ever. Yeah, except really angry. Yeah. And can't believe you would ask me that and then got up

and stormed out of the press conference and then woke up this morning and took the Texas job. It was like, you know, he saw the offer. He was like, well, I can reconsider. That's a lot of heroes. They're going to move my family out here.

Wow. I'm going to make my wife and kids get back with me. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. I left him for a reason. I said, one more zero and I'm back. Yeah.

Done. Yeah, that was crazy. I don't know his background, how long he's been there. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't matter. But like, how long he's been there. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't matter. But like, yeah. What a man of principles.

Coach Schloessinger. Yes. Yeah. Man, if you're the Texas team, you're like, wait, what kind of what kind of guy are we getting here? Is there like A&M's known for great coaching decision. Hey, Jimbo, here's your national championship trophy. What? Jimbo, here's your national championship trophy. What? Jimbo, you're fired.

Dude. Gig him. Yeah, a lot of good stuff. Yeah. That was college baseball, season over. I know there's another big sports topic, another big kind of like championship thing. I think we should maybe hold off on that one

until post-guest or with the guest, maybe? I guess they're a sports fan. Yeah, sports fan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We should hold off on that one to post guests or with the guests. Maybe I guess they're a sports fan. Yeah. Sports fan. Yeah. We should hold on to that one. So doesn't it's like jump into another coaching topic with JJ Redick. No coaching experience.

Yeah. The Lakers head coach. First press conference. Just dropping F bombs. I don't know how to answer that. Cause I don't really care. I'm like, Oh,

Hmm. I like the energy. Yeah. Yeah, not a podcast, bro. Yeah, it's not the OK podcast. OK, OK, you play is a Duke Duke for college and then NBA kind of all over. But

like he's not much older than us, is he? No, he's 40. Was he just he? No, I think he's 40. Was he Duke lacrosse? I think he just turned 40. No, no, no. He was a freshman. He was a freshman during Duke lacrosse skate. Was he?

What? He might have been. He was close to that era of Duke. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Duke lacrosse. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I got a Duke graduate in my family. Yeah. Yeah. My brother. Nice. Your brother, JJ Redick? Yeah.

He's excited. Yeah. Did he play lacrosse? Huge lacrosse guy. Oh, yeah. Hey, they're innocent.

It's true. It's true. People forget that. People forget that. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting hire. I think that i mean obviously i'm a national champion celtics fan here so i'm not going to think say anything positive about the lakers but but i really do think that the lakers are ruined until they get rid of lebron james because no of the coach is a puppet head until LeBron's done doing LeBron stuff.

Yeah. I'm not saying he's not the top player in the league, even at his old age. He's very good. I don't think he's the top player at his age. I think he was. But I just think there's so much LeBron pull. Yeah.

I mean, especially with a young coach like that. I mean, Mizzou is young. So I'm not saying young coaches can't do it, but I just think LeBron holds too much power in the NBA. Like, I think it's a... Like, what are you going to tell LeBron as a coach? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, LeBron, like, is talking about what trade deals they're making.

Like, he runs the team. This guy's playing, this guy's not. I mean, that's Grant fan view, right? Yeah. I'm not in the locker room because I take the cameras out of the locker room. Those cameras are out of there. Out of the locker room because I take the cameras out of the locker room. Those cameras are out of there. Out of the locker room. No hot mics.

Yeah, no hot mics. But yeah, I just think, what is this poor guy going to be able to do? I don't know. He tells LeBron to work on his free throw. He's like, uh. Yeah. Hey, LeBron, I was watching your squat and then listening to the OK Podcast. And you need to look down, brother.

Down and not use a tonal you need to get you some strength co plates that's right that'd be epic or whatever yeah yeah you need a strength tonal oh yeah yeah yeah start cranking those out grant come on oh yeah actually you're making microchips right you make plates right i'm making it i'm making an lsd navy ship right now as soon as i finish that i'll move on over fire up the total machine crank some out yeah yeah that's good but yeah it's like first time nba coaches like do not have a good track record and then usually those coaches have coaching experience at some level so he's never coached never like not even out of the NBA ball I think Marietta high school no 2021 I think was his last

season in the NBA and then he's just been doing I think like the commentator and podcast thing he's got a cool haircut now and yeah he does have his friends of LeBron so do you think players make good coaches it seems like he who's my guy has a lot of potential who's a lot of potential who's myself 60s six championships black seven oh bill russell yeah the player coach he yeah he was the coach and the player at the same time now that is crazy that's player coach bill russell i met his wife that's kind of like a singer songwriter yeah did i talk did i tell you about me meeting his wife no oh yeah i heard the story night before the game oh come back diana goes to bed go down get some get some water. Lady's standing there. I ordered like fries.

And, you know, I'm carb loading. I'm competing now in the Lift Hard, Live Easy Classic. We'll talk about that later. But I'm standing there, and there's like a couple avid Celtics fans, the bartenders there. And she says, oh, don't worry. We'll win tomorrow. They threw that game in Dallas just so they could come home and win.

And the guy goes, they better win. And the lady next to me goes, they didn't throw that game, but they better win. I'm ready to go home. And I look down, and she has like three rings on, like championship rings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With like foam and like gigantic, like dwarfing her hand.

I said, well, it looks like you have some experience. So I'm counting on a game five win tomorrow. And she goes, my husband was Bill Russell. And I was like, oh, I'm sorry for your loss. And she's like, thanks. And then I didn't want to be like, hey, let me take a selfie. But I knew who she was only because Bill Russell's account like a month ago tweeted, let's go Celtics when they won the East

Conference Finals and it went viral on Twitter because it's been inactive since he died. And I remember reading a news article that one of his ex-wives, this was wife number four, had gotten into his account and done it and appreciated all the support and said she'd be at every game.

But anyway, so I went upstairs and did some Googling for 20 minutes. I was like, yep, that was her. Verified. Anyway. Yeah, but to answer PJ's question in a shorter way, do players make good coaches? I mean, Jason Kidd, the coach for the Mavs.

He's really good at losing championships. Yeah. No, he's good. Steve Kerr, like the Warriors head coach, former player. Dabo Sweeney. It's a bunch of Dabo. Wide receiver for Alabama. I think he was number two on the Lakers list.

Yeah, that's right. We want Dabo. J.J. Redick or Dabo? What do you think, LeBron? Redick, please. Whoiddick or Dabo? What do you think, LeBron? Riddick, please. Who's the best basketball coach to have lived? Classic answers would be like John Wooden, UCLA basketball coach,

like numerous national championships. Coach K. Yeah. Coach K for sure. Who's the guy? Red Auerbach. Celtics coach. Bobby Knight.

Bobby Knight. Yeah. Yeah. Great coach. Very fiery. Yeah. Who's the Lakers? Who's the Lakers when they won?

Oh, Phil Jackson. Phil Jackson. Yeah. With the Bulls and the Lakers? Who's the Lakers when they want to let, Oh, Phil Jackson, Phil Jackson. Yeah. With the bulls and the Lakers. Yeah. Um, say Steve Kerr. Yeah.

Uh, how many of them are players? So I think the weird thing is, is like all those guys pipe played at least like high school. Yeah. I think the question is like how many like played and were like decent in the NBA and became a coach. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that's what I mean. school. Yeah. I think the question is like how many like played and were like decent in the NBA and became a coach. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, that's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Because a lot of those guys played something. Um, I don't know.

Yeah. Phil Jackson played in the NBA. Um, it's like, you know, just okay. It was okay. Okay.

Um, like I say, I would talk about Steve Kerr, Mike Krzyzewski, coach K played at army yeah i want to say um i think when phil knight was or not for the uh was it bob knight yeah yeah yeah when bob knight was at army like coming up as a young coach i think he coached coach kate army um i feel like most of them played at least college yeah but it's college

yeah okay yeah big basketball experts over here big basketball we know all the 1 800 basketball everything's gonna end with either an auburn reference or a celtics reference uh phil jackson was just to make us sound smart like we knew other people all right triangle offense triangle offense that's right uh r.i.p bill russell uh should we get this guy in here let's get him in let's do it jake welcome to the uh okay podcast you know i gotta say this is fun because we don't really know you i know i've met you last year at the lift hard live easy correct yeah but you were competing right that's right yeah so i probably like stuffed a camera in your face and was like what's up and then later you were like what's up

but we didn't like i don't know you know you um i feel like i know you from your Instagram, which is Midwestern Jake from State Farm, right? That's right. Yep. Okay. And where are you located? Right now I'm in, well, how would I do this? Eastern, Central, Southeast Nebraska. Yeah, close enough. Omaha, Nebraska, essentially. Ah, home of the College World Series. Omaha. Yep. Yeah. How's the tourism been this week it's been busy it's been busy yep but not too bad today we had a uh a good uh tornado warning but that was about it yeah do the sirens go off like in the movies

oh yeah yeah and they live right by the air force base. So they always, uh, a big like voice comes over and says lightning within five. Nice. And, you're in the air force. That's right.

And you're active duty. Right. But you have some type of like a weird job. Yeah. It's super, I mean, the job's not weird. So I'm a resident in a family medicine residency.

So I'm technically a doctor, but still in training. So I have people watching over me. And the program I'm in is like a dual program with the Air Force and the University of Nebraska. So kind of to help out the Air Force side, they will often join and collaborate with various residencies. So like family medicine, I think there's 11 that are joint with the Air Force throughout the States. Okay. Other, yeah, other specialties do similar stuff, but that's kind of how we get a lot of academic exposure while also having some active duty exposure too. Okay. So do you wear a uniform every day?

Not every day. So if I ever, if I have to be on like the base clinic or I have to go on base for stuff, then yeah, I'll wear it like normal. But like if I'm doing like an inpatient month or like right now I'm on an emergency department month up at the main hospital. So I don't have to wear like my OCPs for that. But otherwise, yeah, I would. Okay. So you're working at a civilian hospital day in, day out right now. Right. Yep. Got it. What's OCP? What's that? What's OCP? Couldn't tell you. That's not a trick question. Oh, you don't know. Okay, good. Then you're a

real military man because you just say acronyms and you have no idea what they mean. Okay. You're properly indoctrinated. Yeah. That wasn't a trick question. I just am always interested in what acronyms mean. And anyway, we'll have to look that up. Yeah, no clue. I know they come after the ABUs. The ABUs got phased out and then there were OCPs. They're the same thing the Army has, but we can tell you what they mean.

Jeff, do you know? It's like... Operationally controlled professionalism. Camouflage, pattern. It's what we would call camis or like utilities okay it's there's gonna rattle it off here I'll get um I'm looking hold on OCP Air Force everything just says OCP I think it's uh it's a new word operational camouflage inspirational camouflage pattern oh nice sounds right okay so so camis pretty much yeah all right got it um well let's dive right in because you uh so jake is a active listener we appreciate it you're one of five and i've seen this garage on instagram before with you having the tv behind

you playing either our podcast the massonomics podcast while you're doing your training, which I want to talk about your lifting in relation to the air force. I'm sure Jeff loves some questions about that, but you did catch my attention because you're the only person that's ever deemed the account. So that was a big deal. But no, you, uh, we were, we were briefly talking about a Zim pic and he was like, you know, Hey, um, if you ever want to like, talk more about that, have me on. and he was like you know hey um if you ever want to like talk more about that have me on and i was like oh that's interesting and then we kind of struggled to schedule for a while but i've been telling my live zoom you know i have like maybe 12 guys that coach on zoom and we have a couple ozempic users and we have a lot and i said we're bringing on this we're bringing

on this ozempic specialist and so every week they're like hey when's the olympic guy coming on and so thank them because that reminded me like oh i got to go back and peg jake and then i'm like wait i remember this guy he's in the air force like so you the bait works i'm here for the olympic uh tell me what's going on yeah yeah. Yeah. So I thought you guys, uh, you caught my ear cause you're chatting. And then I think the conversation kind of went to like, well, why do people even need it? What's, what's the point? Like, what if we just, you know, do training? And I can't remember if it was you PJ or you grant who had said like, well, it's, I think of it as like, from what I understand as a crutch to help kind of just move the process on. It's like a tool to use while you're moving

forward, um, trying to get more fit, lose weight, things like that. And for, I mean, as at basic level, that's pretty much what they are. They're great weight loss drugs. There's a lot of other weight loss drugs. I won't really get into those, but like the ozempic type medicines, they were big initially for diabetes. And then one of the side effects was it makes you not want to eat so much and it makes you lose a lot of weight. So then everybody was like, well, we can use these for weight loss.

And a couple of them have recently been approved for weight loss. And so really the main reason like a primary care doc like myself would use them outside of diabetes, especially if I had an appropriate case, you know, they've tried other medications. They've got doc, like we've got actual documentation that they've done the diet, they've done the exercise stuff, and it's just not working, would be to help promote the process and kind of lubricate the wheel to get them moving. It's not necessarily something I use forever. We're sometimes in like diabetes, we may use it for a long period of time. For weight loss, it's more to stimulate that progression to get to a point where we're making the change. Our body is kind of almost like shocked to get back to a point where we're eating appropriately, but we're also losing weight or we're keeping weight off.

And so that was kind of what sparked my interest. and so the basic the way they work is you've got glp1s which are like your ozempics your trulicity some of the others that aren't as common they work basically to slow down our body's own process of making glucagon which basically tells the body that oh we're starving we need we need sugar liver make sugar and so the liver will make a lot of sugar. And in obesity and diabetes, those processes can be a little skewed. So you're making a lot of sugar that you really don't need, but your body is thinking that it's in like a starvation or a stress state. Some other things it does is it increases insulin, but it increases insulin in very interesting ways. It targets certain tissues like the liver, like skeletal muscle, like some other tissues to actually

take in sugar. So take in the glucose from the blood. Yeah. And so that's how it works really well by decreasing our blood sugar. And so that's why it's super effective for diabetes. We can see what's called A1C, which is like a three month average of the blood sugar. It has a pretty good drop in blood sugar over three to six months. But then that's why it also works in obesity because it drops our blood sugar, not to a point where we have dangerous side effects necessarily, but it lets our body utilize that sugar as an energy source a little more efficiently than what our body is used to. Some other ways which are pretty common side effects is it slows down our GI motility. So food just doesn't move through as quickly. That helps make us a little

more full. It also signals the brain in certain ways to essentially tell the brain like, hey, we're not hungry. We're actually full. Stop sending these hormones to tell us that we're hungry. And so with all those aspects, that's how these medications from like a basic level, that's how they work. So they target several different ways. level, that's how they work. So they target several different ways. So more than just making the person not want to eat, which was my kind of very preliminary research, but I was thinking like, hey, it's a brain signal to like, don't release hormones, don't eat. But you're saying there's more things going on physiologically that are also positive in terms of helping with weight loss or lowering blood sugar in diabetic

cases. Right. Yep. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. So it's kind of, it's kind of twofold. So what, what kind of person, so I get the diabetic person, but you get an obesity person and they come in, well, one, like how does an obese person come in to see the doctor? Do they come in and just, I'm like, like, do they come in because they have other issues because they're obese? And then you look at it and say, Hey, your main issue here is you're obese. Like as a strength coach, someone comes into my gym. They're like, I have tons of back pain. I'm like, Hey brother, deadlifting will help.

You're 80 pounds overweight. Like I guarantee you that is like your number one contributor to why you have back pain all the time is you're 80 pounds overweight. I guarantee you that is your number one contributor to why you have back pain all the time is you're carrying this extra stuff around. So is it... Are you treating... When people are getting prescribed it, are you treating the obesity or are you using it because the obesity is causing other things that you're concerned about or both? Yeah, a little bit of both. So when people come in to like my clinic now, I only see like dependents of active duty members, certain populations of active duty members, and then retirees. So I don't see like the civilian aspect per se, but the people I see aren't necessarily

active duty, if that makes sense. But usually for the most part, they'll come in and it is more like on an annual physical type basis. Like, you know, we're kind of going through stuff, we're going through preventive measures, but hey, you know, we've got the blood pressure issue, you're on medicine for your cholesterol. You know, this is what your BMI is, I've noticed your body weight is steadily increasing. What are you doing to combat that? I usually ask people, what is your diet on a day-to-day basis? What are typical foods you often will eat or cook for yourself? What's your exercise look like, if any? And then sometimes I'll get people that are like, you know what?

I'm interested in trying to lose weight. How does that how does that conversation look? And usually it'll start with it'll start with nutrition and diet and exercise. And then I'll usually have them come back after a few months to see if they've made progress. And then after that, it'll just kind of depending on what progress they've made, if any, I'll have them come back. And that's where we if any, I'll have them come back. And that's where we may potentially talk about medicine. It's a little tricky in the military.

They, you can't just jump to like your ozempic or things like that. You have to trial, I think, three to six months of diet and exercise. And you have to show and document that that's failed. So essentially just like no weight loss. Right. And then after that, you have to try two other medications for three months, document that you failed those before you can get to those, those Ozempic type medicines, those GLP-1 agonists. So, and I want to turn it to these guys here in a second, because I know they'll have a bunch of questions, but so you get a person that comes in and you let's say it's a retiree

they're obese or overweight and you tell them diet and exercise or they tell you what they eat because i'm just i'm always curious on like human behavior right because i'll get people that come in and they say hey i want to lose weight i want to get stronger say hey well tell me what you're eating and they're like well in the morning i eat overnight oats and at lunch you know i eat some rice and chicken and broccoli. And for dinner, I usually have like salmon and a salad. And I'm like looking at them and I'm thinking nothing you said to me is true or that's all true. And you also had three cartons of ice cream or whatever it is. Right. But like, it's easy if you're someone that trains and eats, you know,

for health to, to know, is that tough? Or do you see that where people come in and they tell you, or just layer questions on, you can run with it. Or you tell someone, they tell you what they're eating and you say, Hey, make this adjustment, add this exercise in, come back in three months. And they come back in with documentation and say, it's failed. Is it like, Oh man, like like I like do you ever feel like this you weren't doing what you said you're doing or you know what I mean like is it is that like frustrating or or like what's that process like before you even get into the medication side yeah yeah so usually um when people come and talk to me um

when people come and talk to me, I very rarely so far had the suspicion that somebody was just like, oh yeah, I eat nothing but lean beef and protein and vegetables and berries. And I've cut out all snacks. I've maybe had one or two people that I was like, hmm, this seems suspicious. Most of the time people just flat out, because you know, you're at the doctor, you, you've wasted, you know, yeah, you've, you've spent enough time to get there. They're usually like, well, you know, I might have a bowl of cereal and then I usually will go get takeout for lunch or I'll pack a ham sandwich. Um, and then dinnertime, usually it's hectic with the kids. So we get takeout or we get fast food real quick. So oftentimes I feel like I just don't have time to cook. That's usually the conversation. And then when I have like weight loss specific appointments, which is one nice thing, I'm able to kind of organize my clinic and I have a lot more weight loss patients than a lot of my other

colleagues do. So those usually will be a little more specific. They know what they're eating for breakfast, lunch, dinner, because usually the way I'll start the conversation after trying to get an idea of where people are starting with a baseline is these are the foods I recommend at these meals with these added things to it. And I also recommend using something like MyFitnessPal, where you can enter literally every ingredient and run with it. And you can save meals, you can do this. And that's usually how it'll start. It's kind of 50-50 on how people then follow up. Either no changes made or they've made decent to drastic changes. And, you know, we've got something to run with.

And do you find that most people are ignorant of how bad some foods are? Like, that's kind of what I have found is, you know, they'll explain things like some of it is truth. Like, well, you know, I'll get, you know, I'll have chicken and I'll get a side of ranch or, you know, and I'm just like, wait, wait, wait, let's talk about the ranch for a second. And like the nutritional benefits, none. I mean, I guess some fat calories, some calories, right. But like versus, you know, everything else you're getting and I'm always kind of blown away. And maybe it's just because I've always been interested in health and fitness and I've been on my fitness pal so much or help people. But do you find that a lot of time it's like people just don't know some of the decisions that they're making, like how bad those foods are?

And it's not like, it's just ignorance. Like they just have no idea. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Because a lot of people, you know, they just, that's exactly, that's not something that's in their repertoire. It's not something they were really ever told to go do. So exactly to your point with the ranch, you know, you see people very commonly, I've got, I eat nothing but salad and, you know, a bunch of vegetables and chicken. And then it's, you do a little more probing and it's like, well, what dressings are you putting on? How much ranch? You know, it's okay to have maybe a little dabble ranch if you've accounted for it, but are you just guzzling the ranch down? Are you guzzling the vinaigrette and butter down? How does that all

work? And I would say probably 90% of my weight loss conversations, it usually ends up with an, oh, I had no idea. Like salad and cereal seem to be the two biggest contributors. But yeah, people, they just don't necessarily look for it or they don't, if they do look for it, they don't necessarily what specifically to look for. And they don't break that down or understand like, okay, yeah, sure. Your carbs might be low low but you really have to pay attention like how much added sugar then is in that and so that's kind of where then i come in and we break a lot more stuff down yeah okay so i have one more question for the uh you know let these guys hop in here so one i find that super interesting i always think that salads are

the worst and they're not right like it's not like a salad's evil, but it's people actively trying to do the right thing. It's people on a business trip. You know, they're trying to like, Oh, I gotta have a business lunch. And you know, it has walnuts in it and raisins and like all these different sugars in the dressings. And I just always think it's interesting that people think like salad healthy. And it's like, Oh, like you would have probably been better off eating a burger and getting some protein and like having some carbohydrates than all that stuff. But back to the they get to the point where you prescribe Ozempic or, you know, something of another name. One, how long is it until they see results?

And then what happens? So stuff's happening, you know, in the liver and in the liver and through the GI system. There's brain things happening, making people not hungry. Then do they start making behavioral changes because of these things and start eating well? Or are they just eating way less, or if both is when you take them off it, do you see like a huge increase in weight or habits being built? I guess that's my interest because I always think, hey, all of this, maintaining a healthy body weight for your life is a lifestyle, which is habits. So what is the success rate as far as that goes or run with that a little bit?

Yeah. So the azempic medications are very effective in weight loss and pretty quick weight loss. Most of the studies that I've read, they claim that the average weight loss within a three-month period is actually pretty minimal, you know, maybe five to 10 pounds, but the patient anecdotally, the patients I've seen, you know, you can be looking at 15, 20, 30 pounds of weight loss pretty quickly, like within three months, which, you know, is not necessarily something I shoot for. I usually tell people, look, two to four pounds in a month is pretty sustainable. And you're going to be able to keep that over the long term. But these medications are just very effective because we've got the they help the body burn fat, they help the body utilize blood sugar. They also make you not want to eat very much. Like if you ever talk to somebody who takes Ozempic or Trulicity, Manjaro, any of those, they get full very quick. And if they start, if they eat too big of a meal, like they will know to the number of bites, how many, how many bites of something before they get nauseated to the point

that they may have to go vomit or, you know, just miss, miss a couple meals. That's how effective these medications are. And so usually people do, because that's not necessarily something you want in the long term. People do build some pretty decent habits out of them. However, I've seen plenty of people with how popular they are. Their habits are terrible. They may eat minimally, but then they try and have a big meal and they're like, look, I don't know why this medication makes me nauseated. I'm vomiting constantly.

I can't tolerate it. Well, that's how the medication is. We talked about this when we first started it. You can't eat big meals. Small frequent meals are your friends. Big fatty meals can cause this. Heavy carb meals can cause this. And so those are the conversations I usually train with people or if I've got somebody who's on it already and then I'm seeing them for a different reason I usually try and have that conversation just because the medications are so effective and they have a lot of great health benefits that I don't necessarily want somebody to be on it have all those symptoms and think no

this medication's garbage I can't tolerate it I need to get off or I need to try something else because every medication in these classes has those side effects to a certain degree. And so usually the way we can do that is talking, instructing them on, you know, the small meals, educating them. And then we often usually will start at the smallest possible dose, titrate up every week until we get to a certain point. And then from there, every couple of weeks or so, we can titrate up as tolerated. If they notice, hey, I'm still eating small meals and I'm still nauseated with this dose increase, we just go back down and we keep that a little longer until about to get used to it. I've never had a patient who was on it long term and still had those side effects provided

they followed the appropriate educational instructions we gave them provided we were able to titrate as tolerated um and so that's usually how we go around it Hmm. Guys have thoughts. Yeah. I have a question. Yeah. So I want to talk about the, the,

how you think about making a decision to look into this in terms of cost and benefit, because every, I'm not to tell you this, every thing that we ever do is just kind of a cost benefit thing. So on one hand, I think, well,

if these are so effective and these, this is such an effective drug, why would, this is a serious question, why would we not put anyone who's 10 pounds overweight or more on Ozempic? Why not just like automatically do that? And then on the other hand, if there's serious side effects, why not save this medication for anyone who's 400 pounds and over or something like that? And so it's not really that the medication is good or bad. It's like, well, you're, you're weighing a risk and reward. And so I imagine that for some people it's like, Hey, this is totally not worth it, man. You should probably just

easy on the ranch, you know? And then another person is like, Hey, yeah, diet and exercise is great, but you're in a critical situation and you probably, we probably need to add this into what you're doing because you're in trouble and we need a quick fix. So like, how do you think about that weighing those costs and benefits? Exactly. And I, the way you kind of broke it down is, is pretty on point, you know, in medicine, we have to do a lot of triaging to figure out, you know, like, even like on the battlefield, you know, who is the most injured, who needs the most acute help right now, similar kind of thought process goes through with a lot of these chronic diseases.

Now, if we throw out the diabetes aspect for these medications, and we're just looking at weight loss, there's only a few that are, there's only a few that are approved by insurances for just obesity. Now, if you have diabetes plus obesity, it's pretty much take your pick. Then it just becomes to like, okay, do we have shortages? What do we have to do from that standpoint? But with just weight loss alone, there's only a few that are approved for us to use without paying out of pocket, which definitely becomes tricky. And so the military guidelines are when it comes to obesity, anybody over a BMI of 30 would be considered obese. And then from there, you have that conversation of, you know, I'm looking at a patient and I'm thinking, okay, is this somebody that I can truly get down without medication and

get down relatively quick that we aren't worrying about a lot of long-term side effects from chronic obesity? Or is this somebody that I'm going to be dealing with their obesity for quite some time? And the more time they're obese, the more risk they have of putting on more weight, the more risk they have to their cardiovascular system, their liver, their brain health, all that stuff. And so, yeah, if I've got somebody who's teetering at 30, I'm probably not necessarily hopping to one of these medications. Plus with the military, I can't just hop to this medication.

I have to try a few others. And usually I've had pretty good success with a couple of those other medications that work in different ways. A few times I've had to come then to the Ozempic type medications, but like you kind of brought up, you know, as somebody where you're looking at somebody who's a BMI of 40 or 400, you know, they're over 400 pounds. They've got a lot of health issues. Then yes, that is definitely something that kind of triggers my thought process a little more is, do I already have hypertension that I know that they've got chronic cardiovascular disease? Do

they have high cholesterol? And I know that we're just adding on things that increase their risk and obesity just across the board increases cardiovascular risk, then yes, I'm going to fight to try and hop to one of these medications like your Ozempic, your Manjaro, things like that that are approved for weight loss in obesity. So that's where I'll kind of play into it. The other side then is the cost. The other side then is the cost. Ozempic is somewhere around, depending on the pharmacy you buy it from, if it's out of pocket, it's somewhere around $800 to $900 a month. Oh, wow. Which is, yeah, it's four shots or one shot every week. So essentially four shots worth would be roughly $8 to $ eight, almost eight to a thousand

dollars a month just for weight loss if we couldn't get insurance approval. So I've had that conversation because people don't want to jump the hoops of the other medications because they've heard from their friends that Ozempic works so well. I lost weight so quick. I just want to be quick and easy and lose my weight. And then I feel like I'll be more motivated. And I have to have that conversation of, look, insurance won't cover it. You know, you could be looking at a thousand dollars out of pocket every month. Is that something, you know, is that something you can manage? So that's a conversation I've had a few

times. I've yet to have a biter on one of those. Oh, interesting. And so just one, one quick follow-up is that, so let's say that someone is a BMI of 31 has disposable income. Is there anyone you would say, Hey, still, you shouldn't do this. Like because of the medication itself are, what are the downsides of taking that, that you would say, Hey, still every other factor is cool, but I still wouldn't take this because of X, Y, Z from the medication. And before you answer it, what I would say, because what was interesting on your previous response was that it sounded like to me

the negative side effects of Ozempic are because proper decisions are not being made while on it. That's what it sounded like. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but like, hey, if you are on this drug and you're eating small frequent meals that are good for you, right. You know, not super high fat and all the things you listed, it sounded like you're not going to be nauseous. You're not going to be vomiting. You're not going to be these things. So that, you know, like, I guess it sounds like a barren drug right now.

And I just like, you know what I mean? Like the sounds like a barren drug right now. And I just like, you know what I mean? Like the way, the way it's being just talked about right now, I'm like, well, then everyone who should just be on it, who's 10 plus pounds overweight. So I'm like, is there any downside to taking it? Yeah. There are definitely some downsides. Um, for one yet, nausea and vomiting is by and large the most common. And I have seen some cases where people get into a little bit of trouble because, you know, either it is truly they are following our instructions and they just cannot tolerate it. And they get to the point that, okay, I've dehydrated myself from vomiting or I've got diarrhea, which is another common side effect. Then now I'm in

the hospital or I'm at least in the emergency department and I need IV fluids, then that's definitely, if you've ever had that, that's something where I consider and say, okay, let's switch medications. Let's look at other factors. Not something that I would necessarily say is an absolute contraindication, but people have a history of nausea and vomiting. I definitely have a prolonged conversation with them about it and might try and start at other, other points, other medications before trying one of these, just because it could definitely increase that risk of having those cycles of nausea and vomiting, which, you know, you think like, oh, wow, you could, nausea and vomiting, that's nothing crazy.

But I've definitely had people who have prolonged hospital stays, trying to control it with a bunch of other medications, trying to then stay on top of it with their fluids, managing their electrolyte balances. It gets pretty complex. So that's definitely one thing. Another thing that these medications do have a warning for is there is a risk of acute pancreatitis, which is inflammation of the pancreas. The thought behind that though, and there's not a lot of great data to support that these medications truly cause that,

but essentially it's just that from the theory behind it is that either, you know, your diabetes or your obesity has already inflamed the pancreas and it's in overdrive. That some of these other nausea, vomiting things can potentially barrel roll into pancreatitis. So there's there's the warning that it can cause it. And, you know, I've had a couple of people who come in and they have this medication and we immediately go, okay, let's stop this medication, get them squared away, get the pancreatitis under control, and then maybe consider a different medication. But newer data is coming out to suggest that these may not be the sole culprit to cause that.

So we'll see what further research shows. Otherwise, there are some other black box warnings, absolute contraindications for these, like people who have a family history of like certain thyroid cancers or people who have certain thyroid conditions, they actually say not to use these because it can significantly increase your risk of those thyroid cancers or thyroid conditions. One of them is called medullary thyroid carcinoma. And there's actually like a familial syndrome that's got a risk of that too. So anybody that would have that history would be an obvious, don't do this. But those are really the big things. There's even data coming out to

suggest that these have a lot of great cardiovascular benefits, potentially due to weight loss. But there is also some protective effects of the cardiovascular system. And so a lot of new research is being funneled in to try and figure out like, is this something we could use in somebody who maybe isn't obese, who maybe doesn't have diabetes, but has cardiovascular disease? Like, would that be an approved option? So we'll see. But those are usually the biggest side effects and biggest things I'll talk with people about like, hey, this drug probably isn't for you. Yeah. Jeff? I had a couple of questions, but you actually covered the answers,

so I won't make him rehash those. Okay. If you want to keep talking about Zembek, mine's more like Air Force, military, career path-related, so if you have more Zembek stuff. I got one more, and then I want to make him quit working, and then

we can just have fun and talk all the stuff you want to come on the podcast for. But I'm always interested when I get a, like I do a nutrition consult for someone or I have someone in the gym and alcohol is a huge factor, right? And when you start to like peel back the onion, it's like, brother, you're drinking eight beers a night. Like, of course, right? And so it's usually an easy win. And so it's usually an easy win. Like I actually love when I get a casual beer drinker on like a nutrition consult because I'll be like, hey, only drink beer on Fridays and or, you know, some kind of like simple rule to follow. And they'll just start shredding pounds. And then they realize, you know what that does. But my question is, you know, you talk about, hey, small meals, maybe not high fat, you know, these things that Ozempic gives you these problems. What if you have, because a lot of overweight people that I see, the problem is actually alcohol consumption, you know, which leads to all kinds of other medical conditions I know. But do you see negative side effects for, you know, people that are drinking and taking this?

I've never actually seen a specific case where somebody was drinking and had this, but I've seen plenty of cases of alcohol-induced, you name it, pancreatitis, nausea, vomiting, X, Y, and Z. And so that is definitely on almost everybody that I see for an annual physical. Even if they're coming in for something else. Sometimes if I've got enough time, I'll definitely probe them to try and figure out where their alcohol level is, how much they drink, you know, is it per week? Is it per day?

And then I'll dive further in because yeah, that is the, one of the easiest things to try and peel back and just say, look, these are empty calories. If we can cut down on this, maybe not four beers a night, maybe one beer, and then maybe one beer every other day, then maybe one beer a week, whatever. And they start seeing those results. And the ones I've had, it's impressive. That being said, trying to convince somebody, especially a potentially retired military member or somebody else who's undergoing a lot of stress is a different story, but yeah, definitely. Yeah. No. Okay. Great. That's good. Yeah. No, Jeff, take it away on the,

on the career stuff and all that. And then we'll talk sports, all that kind of stuff. Thanks. That was super informative. That was great. That was great. Yeah. So they solved the answer. There was some commercial That was great. Yeah. So yeah, they solved the answer. There's some commercial the other night that was like a GLP one. And it was this guy doing this like injection, but like, then that was like all the information in the commercial.

So you're like, what, what is that? And then I'm like, Oh, okay. It's like one of these other like similar, like weight loss drugs.

Got it. But yeah, just kind of curious on like how you, how you came into the Air Force, what it's like coming, like, were you, I guess, assuming you were a doctor before commissioning in the Air Force, or you like you selected to go to the Air Force and then they paid for your school. Just kind of curious how that like, I always think it's interesting with these like special kind of like, I don't know, specialty jobs in the military, how people like get into that and kind of then like, what, if any sort of like entry level training, like, what is it like a very

truncated kind of like, all right, we know you're gonna be a doctor. We don't need to like, you'd march around and run through mud pits and do all this crazy stuff. Cause like, Hey, we really are just after your, your like very specialized skill. Um, so yeah, what was that like for you? Yeah. So I got a scholarship for medical school. Um, first found out about it when I was an undergrad, I knew I wanted to be a doctor, um, you know, was going through classes. I think I actually first saw the Navy scholarship program and I looked more into it and it has a monthly stipend. You get a sign on bonus. And then the big selling point, we will pay for all of your medical school.

Oh, well, sign me up. And then my dad had served in the Air Force for several years back in the 90s. So Air Force was kind of on the higher end of my list. So Air Force was kind of on the higher end of my list. But ultimately, the Air Force, the Navy, and the Army all have this program called the Health Professions Scholarship Program. So doctors, PAs, I believe NPs, dentists have their own thing, but it's pretty similar. Ultimately, you know, if you get accepted to medical school, you have a certain GPA. You get a couple of letters of recommendation, you pass your entry physical, they will essentially pay for your entire medical

school for a certain amount of years. So like you can do a four-year scholarship, you owe four years back, three years, you owe three. And then I think two is the least that you can sign on for. So you could get a minimum of two years paid for, but they pay for all of it. They give you a certain stipend every month to help cover living expenses. And then if you're a four-year scholarship recipient, or if you're a three-year, but you sign a certain paper, you can get a nice little sign-on bonus kind of at the start of your scholarship. So that's, I found out about

that in undergrad. It's like, this is what I'm doing. I know I'm going to be a doctor. I don't want to pay for medical school. It's already hard enough to get in. Most schools are somewhere around 30 to 50 grand a year, a couple or even more than that. And so was able to get in, did my entry physical at MEPS, one of the worst experiences of my life. But we made it through. Great. The nice thing was. Turn your head and cough, Jake.

Yep. Because I was in Officer Select or whatever they called them, I got a little better. Treatment. A little better treatment. Yeah, thank you. Front of the line treatment. I remember getting a scar put on mine or something like that. And I was like, oh, yeah, you come over here. Yeah, thank you. You had like front of the line treatment. I remember like getting a scar put on mine or something like that and I was like, and they were like, oh, yeah, you come over here.

Yeah, it was something like that. They funneled all the officers into a certain area. They didn't yell at us. You weren't front to back. So got that done. That's a nice way to put that term, front to back. But yeah, and then so got my scholarship started. I actually commissioned while I was in medical school. So it's kind of weird. You commission, you get your stipend, you're technically a second

lieutenant, and then you go do officer training school down in Alabama. But for the medical people, they're like, look, five weeks, that's all we're asking, five weeks. You don't even have to stay the full eight weeks, just five weeks. We're going to teach you how to drill, how to march, how to do some basic stuff, and a bunch of leadership lectures. And that was my OTS experience. It was interesting. And then after that, I really didn't do anything military related until my third and fourth year of medical school when essentially I would do an audition rotation or an away rotation with a base for what I wanted to do. So it was a base clinic, but it was all medical. So I didn't have to go do drill or I didn't have to go sleep in the barracks or anything. I didn't have to go do drill or I didn't have to go sleep in the barracks or anything.

And so that's pretty much how it was. And once I graduated med school and I knew where I was going for residency, then it kind of just skyrocketed with the amount of exposure and Air Force paperwork and yada, yada, yada. Figuring out what a ditty move was and being out here. Are you a captain now? I am. Yep. Okay. Got it. Nice. Yeah. Do you ever feel like when you have to do super military stuff,

kind of like a fish out of water? And Jeff and I can say that comfortably because we both left active duty, spent some time as just like total civilian before we came back into the reserves. And, and I'll tell you this, I go once a month and I get this like weird butter, like I'm the commander of a unit and I'm like, wait a minute, like are these Oak leaves on the right way? Like how do I do it? Cause you just don't do it every day. Like when you're active duty, it's just like, Oh, that's what I do.

Like, do you ever, I don't know. Like like when you're doing like you must have to like go to a formation once in a while right occasionally yeah so we'll have meetings where we have to we have to be in formation or we have to stand at attention but yeah it's especially so like our first year residency is a lot more at the big hospital so very not military and then the next two years will be a lot more military focused and then. So very not military. And then the next two years will be a lot more military focused. And then obviously after that, it'll be full military, but it's definitely, there's various things. It's like, definitely have to think about and try and remember like, okay, this is how I'm supposed to do it. Or, you know, this is how I would do it

at the hospital. But like, is there a process? Like, who do I need to talk to you? Get this paper filled out? You know, what do I need to talk to get this paper filled out? You know, what do I do? Whereas I could easily figure it out there. No clue over at the military clinic or like the other day they held a kind of like a little graduation ceremony because you finished your first year. And in medicine, when you finish your first year residency, the military deems you fit that if needed, you could go serve as a full-fledged doctor. And so you have a little graduation, you get a piece of paper, you go to our program director, which is, you know, he's essentially like a lieutenant colonel. He presents you with

something, you shake his hand, a photo op, you're supposed to salute. And sure enough, like I had my badge on, I wasn't supposed to have that on because it's not military um shook his hand and i forgot to then turn and come to attention and salute him and so they you know they're all very understanding because they know they've all been through it like these guys have no clue what's going on and they're just like a quick like hey you know we got to keep doing this is actually how we do it yeah so yeah it's definitely like a if i'm in that moment i have to slow down a little bit train remember yep you know i want my doctor to know very little about customs and courtesies and a lot about medicine so you're okay with me if i ever get hurt i want to be seeing you like you're not caught up in the

drill manual so that's good um okay so you're just finished your first year residency that's where you're at now so now you got two years congratulations yeah congrats yeah and are you thinking you're doing a air force career um probably not i think some things would definitely have to lean way in the right direction to stay in for a full 20. But I mean, just with pay alone and then moving around constantly, those are kind of the two big things. The military does a pretty good job of trying to catch up with the pay gap, but then the moving on top of that. So we'll see. The short answer is no, but I'm not opposed to it. Yeah. I think the moving's by far the worst.

And do you have kids? I have a daughter, yeah. Yeah, so you have one. I mean, I view everything so much differently now that I'm married and have a kid on the way. I just think back to when I was a second lieutenant and like, what's wrong with you, Sergeant? Get control of your wife.

And now I'm just like, oh man, that was terrible advice. Because you're just insensitive to it. But yeah, it's a... If you want to do 20 active, that is a... Really, thank you for your service to... And yeah, to the service member, but to the the families and like moving around, like it is moving is the worst. Like it is. Exactly. Yeah. People say they hate public speaking. I'm like, no, you don't.

You hate moving. That's what you really hate. Yeah. Uh, okay. So let's get into the fun stuff. We get it. You're a captain. You're an Ozempic specialist.

Uh, you're also a lifter. You got a good gym back there. Yeah. This is the best background any guest has had, I think. Yeah, I think so. Absolutely. You got a band, Masonomics banner back there. I love it.

Okay, before we get into sports and your lifting, so I want to talk about your lifting and maybe the Lift Hard, Live Easy Classic, but your Instagram handle, Midwestern Jake from State Farm. So we got a Indiana boy over here. What's up? Go Hoosiers.

Yeah. Talk to me about your thoughts on Midwestern versus Midwest. Like what, like where are you from? Yeah. So born and raised in Indiana. Northeast corner up in, yep. Northeast corner up in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Went to school, went to school went to

school down at iu bloomington um this is the first time i've moved out of the state was to come out here to nebraska so obviously went super far never left the midwest still um and so that's kind of yeah that's kind of where the whole midwestern thing came from because I've never left the Midwest very much. Have a big Midwestern family. A lot of the, I catch myself doing a lot of the, you know, oh, didn't see you there. Oh, sorry. Oh, let me get that door for you. Is a big thing. Yeah. I tried. There was a brief, there was a brief time in college. I tried to cut that out and it just, it wouldn't happen. So I just went with it. So yeah, that's where that came from. And then of course, ever since that, that stupid, stupid State Farm commercial

came out like 15 years ago, the Jake from State Farm has just been nonstop. I still get people that are, Oh, where's your khakis? You know, I'm in the hospital taking care of some super sick person. They're like, Oh, Jake from State Farm, where are your khakis? Oh, great. Haven't heard that one before. Hilarious. Yeah. Okay. Who are your sports teams?

So, big soccer fan. So, Jeff's flag back there is a sin. Big, big Manchester United fan. Oh, no. It's been a rough go, but I've followed them since I was, I don't know, five or six. So Beckham era and then just ran with it in the past 12 years have sucked. So yeah, big Manchester United fan outside of that. Love college football.

If I didn't like Notre Dame, it'd probably be a sin for where I'm from. So love watching Notre Dame football, try to love IU football, but they just, they're struggling. So it's hard, but I still love to watch them. Then IU basketball for the pros, a big Boston Celtics guy. Yeah. for the pros uh big boston celtics guy yeah my dad yeah my dad forced that on me and i'm finally finally getting some love from him yeah and then uh big miami dolphins guy so also finally starting

to get a little bit of love from them too yeah yeah so kind of all over the place no that's good i like kind of all over the sports fans when they're when it like makes sense right like uh people ride me all the time because i grew up in south carolina but i've like all like i've only ever liked boston sports and they're like you also like the confederacy like what is wrong with you well you don't understand okay explain this my people were in in Milan when that happened. Yes. So, no, that's good.

Well, should we talk to, should we break into about the Euro thing happening, round of 16, or should we go right into the Stanley Cup finals? I feel like you guys could have a soccer moment here. I mean, we can talk some Euro. Have you been watching the european championships i've caught some highlights so this is the first time that my career school has fully gotten involved and kept me from watching soccer because the er has i've been on a lot of night shifts so

i caught a couple i think it was like um portugal had a you know end of had a game-winning goal in the 91st minute, so I caught that. I've seen a couple other highlights, but unfortunately I haven't gotten to watch too much of the Euros this year. I've heard there were some great upsets and great games overall. Yeah, it's been interesting. I think England, who's always just so intriguing to me, looks absolutely lost.

They don't know. I don't understand how that team can only produce two goals in three games with that pool of talent. Portugal looks good. We'll see how Ronaldo keeps fitting into the lineup as they move on into like the knockout stage. Germany looks really good. Spain looks really good. So I think it's going to be to be good like uh round of 16 and then further on so i'm pumped it's been good so it's around a 16 and then something starts saturday right or the round of 16 starts saturday and it's playing right now round of 16 i think it starts saturday yeah so i think a couple more groups have to finish out um So there's still kind of more stuff teams up in the air as far as who's actually going to comprise the last 16.

But it's kind of like coming into focus a little bit. One of the groups is all totally up in the air. All three teams are all four teams are tied at three points. So we'll see what happens. And this is only European, right? Correct. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm trying only European, right? Correct. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. I'm trying to figure it out, Jake. But if you like, you don't under. It's all new to me. So I just like I kind of got the World Cup down. And what I mean by that is if you live in South Carolina or in Southern California, I only live in southern coastal areas. But if you live in Southern California and you go to lunch to get tacos and the world cups on everyone yells goal when mexico scores so i thought i had the world cup figured

out but uh and then jeff has just been blowing my mind for 26 weeks and all this complexity of soccer yeah no as as somebody who grew up playing soccer it's uh very used to re-explaining a lot of these or explaining the rules, explaining the different relationships and the different leagues and like how the EPL doesn't play in the Euros or the World Cup. Those are all players that come together and play in club, countries different. You've got the Copa America, you've got CONCACAF, you've got the Euros, you've got the Asian League. It's a mess. Yep. I could definitely understand the confusion. Okay. okay love it we're glad you're here to sort out our weight loss mess and our soccer mess um okay are you going to lift hard live easy this year i am are you competing i am okay so tell

us a little i don't know give us the two minute version of kind of your lifting background, maybe touch on how you found massonomics. And then let's talk about what you're hoping to hit at the Lift Hard, Live Easy 2. Sure, sure. So like most young adults, I hit my stride, very poor form in college with just your typical bro splits. That's when you benched 405, right? Oh, well, yeah, of course.

Yeah. Everyone does. Yeah. But, you know, darn muscle has just been strained ever since then. No. So started out there, did a lot of your typical bro split, kind of squatted well above parallel, deadlifted with a dog shit form, all that fun stuff.

Got into more of the medical school or closer to medical school, really started paying attention to a lot of more of the form because I couldn't figure out why my bench wouldn't go up, why I couldn't actually squat. So that's really where it kind of took stride. And then COVID threw a wrench at me and shut down my school's gym. So that's when I started and bought a cheap rack off Amazon that I still have. I found some guy that was selling a bench with a cat bar and a bunch of weights. And so steadily added on, found that working out at home is much more fun, especially doing like a power lifting split with your squat bench deadlift.

And so early medical school definitely did a lot more of like the, the more hypertrophy type stuff. And then any, any stretch mediated hypertrophy or just hypertrophy just hypertrophy okay yeah you're missing out brother i know i did start to learn about some of the you know eccentric and pause squats and this that uh but i don't know i didn't care for it too much i was like yeah i'll be okay. And then early med school started to figure out, you know, like I'd always watched strong man and stuff like that, but got a little more exposure

to powerlifting. And I think somewhere around like my second year of med school started seeing massonomic stuff pop up, but more so their t-shirts on other people. So I think I saw like the PBR shirt was the first one. I was like, that's cool. Cause I drank a lot of PBR in college. So that would be cool. And then finally found their podcast, I think like three years ago. And then, you know, the beer parodies just hooked me, hooked me in. And then I, you know, listened and saw what else they did. And so been, been an avid follower and ever since.

And how long have you been a lot of money how long you've been a supporting member you know i've got my card here just for this occasion let's see man since january 21st 2022 member number 112 yeah pretty good pretty good all right so you're gonna you've been a member a minute. That's good. And so last year you competed. Was that, have you done powerlifting meets outside of that, I assume? Or was that your first?

Yeah, I did. My first one was in 2022 in the spring. It was a local meet back in my hometown. And I think it was, I ended up with like a 1230, 1235 total. So not too bad. Yeah. I'd hit a deadlift. I never thought I would hit. So I was pretty happy with that. And then thought I would do a couple more because it was my last year of medical school. So I had a lot more free time and just, I don't know, either they were too far away or something happened at the same time. So just wasn't able to do any more that year.

Then moved new as I was accepting that I was coming out to Omaha, that I'd be very close to Masonomics and that they were just so happening to have a lifting event. It's like, well, I can't, I can't not compete. Can't afford not to. Can't afford not to. Can't afford not to. So made the trip up. So you drove? I did. Yep. Cause it's like five hours, five and a half hours roughly. Yeah. Yep. Not too bad. It was an interesting trip though. Cause

I couldn't show up till Friday night. So I actually had to weigh in, in my clinic and just send a video to the meat director. And he was very, very laid back about it. Ended up getting in. Big Dave. Yeah, Big Dave. He's awesome. Got in at like 1 a.m., got a little bit of sleep, showed up at 8, ready for the lifters meeting and went with it.

Ended up adding, I think think like 60 pounds to my total. So I hit like a 1287 total, which I was surprised, um, pleasantly surprised that I was able to do that. So we'll see what the shooting at one 98, I'm guessing I'm competing at one 98. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Nice. So yeah, I actually took second place in the 90 kilo class last year. Nice. So yeah, I actually took second place in the 90 kilo class last year. So we'll see if that happens again. I don't know. The competition's doubled.

Yep. So allegedly, you know, a lot of people sign up early on and then, you know, fall away. But the competition's doubled. But do you expect the way your training is going on? Because, you know, it's funny. Powerlifting is such an interesting sport because everyone thinks like no one cares like you care like all you care about is watching someone's like third deadlift and it takes more than five seconds and then you're like oh i know what that feels like that guy's cool and then you look and you're like oh that was only 300 pounds or well that, that was 700 pounds.

And like, it doesn't matter. Right. It's all like relative, but, and that's what I think is sometimes makes it lame because people are like, Oh, I have this total. It's like, dude, I don't care. Like I'm just trying to get stronger myself. So, but in that, in that vein, are you expecting to based off your training, are you expecting to, to put up a new total you never have? $1,300. Oh, yeah. I'll definitely break $1,300.

I really, going into this past year after the meet, I was like, man, this year is going to be just mentally tough with my job and residency. I don't know if I'm going to put any weight on. I might have to just mentally be like, look, if I take a hit, I take a hit. It's okay. But surprisingly, numbers have been going up. My squats taking quite a jump. So I'm hoping that I can hit a 500 pound squat. That'd be a first for me. Yeah. Deadlifts making a little bit of, a little bit of gain. So in my head, I think, oh yeah, you know, what's an extra 20 pounds on what I just hit. And then I watched the video and it was just all shaky. And I'm like, I could hit 1400 pounds. So realistically, I don't know. I might be able to hit, you know, 1340, 1350.

In my head, I'm thinking, oh yeah, 1400 is on the table for sure. But you're thinking like 1300,300 with second attempts. Like that's a... Yeah. And you've never done 1,300, right? Yep, yep. Never done it in the meet. Not that I'm trying to tamper your expectations,

but like, I mean, that's cool, right? Because like maybe 1,400 is not there, but crossing the next 100 is a fun ride. Yeah. All right. Just add steroids and then you got 1,400. Yeah. Exactly.

Exactly. Yeah. And are you still using your cap set there? No, I haven't used the cap bar in a while. I actually upgraded. I've got a Texas power bar, you know, an elite FTS safety squat bar, a bunch of bells of steel weights that I bought like six years ago. So the only thing I don't have is some quality American made iron plates. I got to get my hands on. Yeah, no, I appreciate,

I appreciate that. I was actually going to say, I kind of assumed you were using your original stuff. It'd be kind of cool. Well, no, I always tell people and I'm, I'm here to sell weights,

right? That's what I'm here to do. But I always tell people, you know, Hey, what do you have now? And they tell me, and I'm here to sell weights, right? That's what I'm here to do. But I always tell people, you know, hey, what do you have now? And they tell me and I'm like, hey, go use it three times a week for a month.

Exactly. And if you actually do that, like I would rather, especially if I'm talking to the person, I'd rather sell you a pair of 45s because you're like, I don't have enough weight. Like, yeah, sure. I'd love to upgrade you.

But if you're not using it, like, you know, I was kind of hoping you were like, yep, still on the cap set back here. But no, that's good. Yeah, well, but one day we got to get you some stuff. Yeah, exactly, one day. Yeah, we got to get you some stuff. So, yeah, I signed up today. I saw it.

Yeah, yeah, I got doxxed. You know, I did get doxxed. I had to Google what doxxed meant. I got doxxed um you know I I did get doxxed I had to google what doxxed meant yeah as well I doxxed myself oh so so I was talking to Tanner on the phone we're talking about lift hard live easy we're talking about like some competitions we're gonna do at the booth and I use the term booth very lightly like we have one fold-out table uh we'll have like maybe 40 shirts and some hats like it's it's it's table uh we'll have like maybe 40 shirts and some hats like it's it's it's nothing grand but i was like yeah i gotta get like make some videos you know i was like i almost don't want to bring content grant i kind of just want to like go and

have a good time he's like yeah great you can't do that like you got to bring content grant like we need him for my scenario so i was like no i'll bring him but you know what i mean he's like yeah i know what you mean so we were like spitballing some ideas. And then he mentioned Tommy was competing. And I had no idea Tommy was competing. And he's like, yeah. And I'm like, man, I would love to compete. But I also want to be able to talk to people and sell the stuff I am bringing. And he was like, well, you know, it's like you can do, you can either do the whole thing, bench only or push pull. I was like, oh, well, maybe I'll do bench only. He's like, oh, yeah, you should totally do bench only.

I was like, well, then I can still like do everything. And like the bench, I won't stress about. I mean, I'll stress about it because I want to like do better than I've ever done. But it's like, you know, warming up a bench is a lot different than warming up a 500 pound squat. And so I went to sign up for bench only. So he's like, so I'm on mass and I'm excited to hang up with Tanner. I'm on the site. And then he like sends me big Dave's email and Instagram, which I already follow him on Instagram. And he's like, message him because I'm on their site. And there's no like, you know, sign up

there. So I message him and he's like, Hey, fill out this form and then screenshot it and send it to me. And I was like, dude, I'm happy to pay. He's like, no, you're sponsoring the event. All sponsors are free. And I'm like, okay. So I fill out, screenshot it, I send it to him. And then Tanner messaged me like, when you sign up, tell the Discord. They'll love it.

Which, by the way, if you're someone that listens to this, and I know we have some starting strength enthusiasts or Southern Baptist enthusiasts that don't know what Masonomics is powerlifting podcasts about nothing, funny t-shirts and stuff. And they have a discord. If you like hopping on the internet at work and not working and talking to people about silly goose stuff,

it's a good time. It's a lot to keep up with. I'll give you a warning, but you can join for like three bucks and help two nice guys out in South Dakota. So go become a supporting member. That was the number that he read. He had his date. Then it became a number, a member, number 121. My wife's number 69. Nice. So you can go and you can go and join and support that. But anyway, so I just took the same screenshot and I put it in lift hard, easy classic thread oh and it's like grant brogy address date of birth phone number email and as soon as i posted it i thought

i should what have i done no no i thought i should before anyone did anything i was like i should delete this and i was like that's massonomics like this is like my family. Like, it doesn't matter. What could go wrong? And then everyone's like, you've been doxxed. You've been doxxed. You've been doxxed. I'm like, what is doxxed? And I'm like, oh, like when people find your personal information.

So then I just, I was like, I thought this would lead to birthday presents. And you have my shipping address and my birthday. And then like all these memes, like, oh, poop again. shipping address and my birthday. And then like all these memes, like, Oh, poop again. And so then I just deleted it, truncated the screenshot where it was just my name and the name of the meat. And I was like, sorry, my phone's been ringing for an hour. I sold $50,000 in plates. I had to delete it. And, uh, yeah, anyway, but, uh, yeah, so I'll do bench only, which I'm excited about. Um, yeah, it'd be fun. it'll be fun we'll eat taco john's and do the whole thing uh any animals i do i have a couple dogs uh german german shepherd collie

mix and then a husky all right nice yeah big dog they keep yeah they keep me busy yeah i'm sure plus the daughter plus the wife plus the weights plus the discord plus the discord yeah it's a busy life yeah it's a full-time job I hear you speaking of like full-time jobs you know it's uh running this podcast 26 weeks we thought it was going to be kind of a hobby endeavor like hey we'll just get on here we'll podcast now we're bringing on guests and. And there's literally lights on in this room so that people can see us. If you're not watching us on YouTube, head over to the OK Podcast, subscribe to the YouTube channel. And we really have one friend that keeps the lights on for us. His name's BW, last name Tax. And he runs BW Tax LLC. They're a small CPA firm out of Greenville,

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little song and based off your military experience we don't know if you'll know the song but we hope you do and then we're gonna have you give your best okay that you can give but uh is it this? It's already up. It's ready. Yep. All right. All right. All right.

All right. Off we go into the wild blue yonder Flying behind into the sun Here they come, zooming to meet our thunder At them boys, give her the gun Down we dive, spouting our flame from under Off we run, hell of a run We live in favor of yawning flame That was pretty good. Give them one. Love it.

Yeah, so for those who don't know, off we go to the Wild Blue Yonder. If you go to next year's Memorial Day, this year's Veterans Day day they'll play all the tunes and that's the lovely air force tune so and you're wearing blue for the blue yonder we appreciate that so um yeah we know okay give it to us okay all right that's good that's good that's good uh well midwest Midwestern Jake from state farm, air force captain, thank you for your service. Uh, that could sound like I'm being funny,

but I'm not, uh, it is, it is a real thing. And it's a, it's a requirement that people have never put on the uniform. Don't understand, but that's the whole point of it is that they don't have to put on the uniform. So other people do so appreciate your service. Uh, I feel like I learned a lot. one of our more informative guests i know we made you work you know you probably felt like you were in the clinic but um i think that our our audience um on all the platforms are actually really going to enjoy that i get asked about it all the time and i uh honestly i learned a lot and i'm i'm now excited to go and actually even learn more because uh

that was some really insightful stuff um looking forward to seeing you in uh less than a month um anything like i i know you're just a a humble service man but like are you looking for people to go follow you on midwestern j? Do you want them to give to the Notre Dame Foundation? Any place you want people to find you? Midwestern Jake from State Farm on Instagram. That's pretty much about it. I really don't have any GoFundMes or anything like that that I necessarily need.

Go support your local children's shelter something like that that'd be great go support massonomics you know for three dollars a month you can be at the level cheers to you uh grant jeff thank you for your service as well gentlemen appreciate it pj thank you for helping set all this up and being here um and it's an if you love if you love what you do you never work a day in your life. So I love talking about this stuff. I always love talking about this stuff and have that conversation.

So I'm always here to talk or chat about these kinds of things, but it's been an honor and a privilege to be on here. All right, brother. Thanks for coming. Yeah, I appreciate you. Some cool headshots

or you doing anything interesting so we can crank out a uh thumbnail with lots of flames and smoke and uh i'll see you in three weeks all right see you guys thanks man see ya dag gum i feel like a zempic expert i lost weight just listen to that i'd say he's a good dude that's a good dude ah yeah good dude good dude lost weight just dad gum yeah i didn't know anything about ozempic i just i can picture trey trey friday morning at about 8 42 texas time uh hey uh midwestern jake it's trey I want to book an appointment. Talk to you here. Tell me more about this miracle drug.

That was good. I guess. Jump into game seven or talk about how the Stanley Cup finals ended up. Yeah. I mean, 3-0 Panthers. I hate the Panthers Edmonton comes back but it's like you knew

it's like you knew they couldn't do it it's just that the odds were against never tell me the odds yeah that was yeah Kaylee Kaylee's super into hockey so she was into it and was really pulling for Edmonton

and like before the game started last night I was like Yeah, Kaylee's super into hockey, so she was into it and was really pulling for Edmonton. And before the game started last night, I was like, she was like, who do you think is going to win? I was like, well, I think it's going to be Florida, just purely based off the odds. Hard to beat a team four times in a row. Yeah, yeah. But then it was like Florida bang and then Edmonton bang,

and you're like, okay. Like, oh, this is good. And then it just was like Florida bang and then Edmonton bang and you're like okay like oh this is good and then it just was like nothing yeah but you see they really clamped down the defense they yeah they kind of fixed all the problems that had plagued them in the first those last three games um yeah but it was great really compelling stuff yeah it was a good series uh Bruins traded Linus allmark backup goalie for that first round pick i think and somebody else or seventh round pick and something else um but it's that weird time in sports nba's over nhl's over college baseball's over yeah obviously college basketball's over and now we have baseball we have baseball but you're really like just waiting on the end of august yeah i mean you

care but it's just like like it's it's kind of no no yeah yeah you don't really want a hot dog to just melt in my hand. Yeah. So weird time in sports. I guess that's why I got to follow soccer closer. I think pickleball season is in swing. Pickleball, my favorite. Yeah.

I'll tell you what. The courts are popping off at the park by my house. That's for sure. Even though it's been crazy hot here. Yeah. How hot, actually? Like last three days, it's been like 98 ish yeah okay but it's dry heat it's a dry heat yeah it doesn't count yeah it's here in greenville um no it's it's actually so hot here that you i won't say you can't fish but i can't fish the main three

rivers i fish so i'd either have to drive further into the mountains and right now i usually drive between an hour an hour and a half so i'd need to drive like two or two and a half or i'd have to know like spring creeks okay but the water's cooler yeah once i like i'm i'm like Googling and, you know, reading blogs and stuff, but I don't know. And then it's like, you know, I don't, I don't want to be the guy that's out there fishing.

Hey, what are you doing? Water 68 degrees. Yeah. Those fears are going to fry their brains. Yeah. So, uh,

that's kind of sad. Um, yeah, but I guess that was due to happen. I guess everyone here switches to small mouth when this happens. Oh, interesting. Yeah. But I guess that was due to happen. I guess everyone here switches to smallmouth when this happens. Oh, interesting. Yeah, which I feel like, I don't know, I've never done it, but it seems like a completely different style of fishing.

But they're still doing it on a fly, and they're still doing it on some of the rivers. But I guess the smallmouth, everyone's catching smallmouth now. That's when the jaw's in front of the eye. It's when the jaw's in front of the eye. Okay, yeah. That's right. I learned that.

Yeah, they have a smallmouth. Ah, that's where it comes from. they fight hard not like those dumb large mouth bass lazy ass fish yeah lazy ass large mouth lazy mouse that's what i call them lazy um so yeah so uh let's see trey couldn't make it today. He'll be here next week. We got another guest. Trey, anything? I mean, Trey. Jeff, Trey on the brain.

Anything left in the slide deck? I mean, we're at an hour and 45. I feel like Jake really delivered. That was pretty much it. Yeah, you got to start watching the Euro, and then Copa Americaica team usa involved in that so i'm all about i'm all about usa yeah when does copa america start that started last week okay yeah last week so that's like then the tournament that's like north america and south

america all in one tournament so normally there is like a just a south america tournament and like just a north america and central america tournament and then this year it's like the this summer tournament is now like north america and south america so like brazil argentina u.s canada mexico uh yeah it's a good one it's a good one okay and it already started sorry yeah us played yeah it's a good one it's a good one okay and it already started sorry yeah us played on sunday looked really good one two nothing um hey against yeah oh gosh who did they play south america central america i can't remember now oblivia and it was like so they should have beat them so like they like actually like looked good against a team they should look good against which usually doesn't happen so it's like it's good it's good okay when do they play again thursday is their next game i can't remember

who the opponent is it's the middle of the day they've been playing like in like the evening i think okay like you probably like your time like 6 p.m okay okay nice so right is like you think it should be cooler and it's still really hot exactly yeah don't worry panama on thursday uh a lot of them yeah yeah panama he's not saying animal just in case anyone's wondering. Uh, well, PJ, I think it's your turn to sign us off. Is it?

Yeah. Yes. Oh, I just like how Trey does it. He goes like, Hey guys, Hey, just do it like that.

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