The Okay Podcast Powered by The Strength Co. - EP 48: Civil War, The Army & Boston feat. Major Tim Bane

Episode Date: November 29, 2024

Podcast Hosts: Grant Broggi: Marine Veteran, Owner of The Strength Co. and Starting Strength Coach. Jeff Buege: Marine Veteran, Outdoorsman, Football Fan and Lifter Tres Gottlich: Marine Veteran, Texan, Fisherman, Crazy College Football Fan and Lifter Join the Slack and Use code OKAY: https://buy.stripe.com/dR6dT4aDcfuBdyw5ks Check out BW Tax: https://www.bwtaxllc.com TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Intro 06:44 - Drill 11:49 - When Should Kids Start Lifting? 20:36 - Audiogram 28:58 - Tim Joins The Show 37:08 - Army Career 43:42 - Meeting Grant 46:20 - Balancing Military and Family 57:50 - Future Plans 01:07:14 - Powerpoint 01:13:38 - Favorite States 01:16:38 - Tom Brady 01:17:45 - Favorite Sports Moments 01:21:15 - Favorite Boston Movies 01:24:34 - Civil War 01:33:15 - Faith 01:37:15 - BW Question 01:39:27 - Tim is OKAY! 01:48:31 - College Football 01:54:00 - Sign Off

All right, welcome back. Whoa, is my mic hot? No, you sound good now. It was. Yeah, just don't scream into it. Just don't scream. Oh, let me, let me. I can't not scream in the intro.

Jordy can keep all that. All right, and welcome back to episode 048 of the... Okay. Okay. Guide-ons. Okay. So Jeff's the problem podcast powered by the strength Co. I'm your host, Grant Brogi. The price of Bitcoin is $92,550. That's seen on the

block clock here. Shout out Zach Copley for sending us the, uh, block clock today's date is November the 26th. We're two days before Thanksgiving. We're already giving thanks though, because we did all the time when you live in the upstate of South Carolina, where we are broadcasting from, uh, I we've alluded to it. We always mean to talk about it, but we never do. But I'm not saying this is the last episode in this equal fall chair, but it could be, uh, at some point we'll get into that. But, uh, yeah, on the chair, November 26th, 2024, that's the year of our Lord. Of course. Um,

I think I hit all the intro. Oh, we're brought to you by BW tax and grid iron green. I think it's green grid iron. I'm going to say it wrong every time it kind of goes with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We had the helmet guy. So this is the Navy Marine Corps, 2021 helmet with the red visor. They call it the strength co edition. You can buy it on our store. I want you to strength co. Dare I come on here and just sling my own product. But the strength, cause get the black Friday sale going on right now. $500 saves you 50 bucks. $1,000 saves you 150 bucks. No, excuse me. 1500. Yeah. A thousand saves you 150. It's like unbelievable deals.

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I learned that. Yeah, the hard way. Yeah, actually let's just get right into that. So that's the intro. We do not have, I'm just gonna hit this right up front. So it's the intro. Um, we do not have, I'm just going to hit this right up front. So it's like, it's a confirmation brief. All the key players are there, but the guy that clicks the buttons on the slide is not there. And cancel the brief, right? The whole, the whole day falls apart, but we're going to brief anyway, but Jeff's not here anyway. Yeah. So you bought, you

had, you lost the bet. Yeah. So if the people who listened last week, all everyone, yeah. I heard the bet was the loser buys a helmet of the other team from the helmet guy, from the helmet guy. Yeah. And like I said, very cool, very cool website, a lot of options. Yeah. Can customize it however you want to. So I'm pretty impressed. And it was a good price. I thought it was going to, I was going to be pretty expensive.

So let's just brass tax it. Was it 50 bucks shipped? So 37, it was 37 bucks without shipping. And that was like customizing. And I added like a, a visor, 37 some chains added a visor. Yeah. So, and I think when all said and done, yeah, I think 50, I think 50 bucks shipped to Utah. So, yeah, cool. So Jeff's got an Auburn helmet on his way. It is cool. And I will say, and I'll tell you this, I make, I'd much rather you go buy a pair of Shrinko 45s and buy the helmets. But I will say, this is like a great, I forgot what to buy you for Christmas. Oh yeah. And like, you give any guy

that likes college football or football and you get buy him this it's going on his desk on Monday. It's just like, it's also great. Just military. Like, Hey, Hey, Lieutenant, here's good job. Thanks for, thanks for everything you do. That's what I'm saying. We've sold a couple of Marine ones this week. So thanks for your support. Um, the helmet guy, yeah, the helmet guy, the helmet guy. We love the helmet guy.

Can't stop talking about the helmet guy. We've always loved the helmet guy. We left him in the queue for a long time. And then finally, BW did some stuff with our taxes where we decided we could have two sponsors and here we are. That was very nice of him. Yeah, so I do have an important question for you, Trey.

Who's running the slides? Yeah. Oh, no, it's me. It's me. So Mr. Bouger is gone. So let me pull up the slide deck here. I hope he like formatted everything correctly. He did all right. I think he like formatted everything correctly. Um,

he did all right. I think he just kind of shoots from the hip. So, yeah. Um, I want to get in plan. I want to get, we do have a guest tonight. So if you're listening and usually log off or you want to log off right now, cause Jeff's not here. We have a guest night in about 15 minutes. Um, army major, long time listener, first time caller hails from Hanover, Massachusetts works in Intel. Yeah, it's by yeah, like maybe 15 minutes. Big Civil War guy, like huge Civil War guy for the wrong side. Yeah, you can interpret that as you want. Let's just say he's not from Gullah Gullah Island. And yeah, so he'll be on tonight. Actually, you posted some stuff in there.

We touch on college football later, man, but you posted some stuff about, one, this was your first, you just got back from a drill, right? I love drill. Like I wish I could drill continuously. But this was the first, this is the first long, long trip since being dad actual, right?

Ah, you're giving me that dad content bait. Yeah, first time I left home, it went well, but it was tough. It's hard. And every, yeah, every, every dad probably knows that, but it's hard. And like, I think for me, like you gotta do drill part of my career. You leave. I'm like, they'll be fine. And then I woke up Thursday morning and I do very little

in the scope of what my wife does compared to what I do. Yeah. But I will say I try really hard, right? Like that's all that matters. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I did my best, but I do give it a shot. And I did wake up Thursday morning in New Jersey.

a shot and I did wake up Thursday morning in New Jersey. And I just thought like, man, who washed the breast pump and brought it upstairs? So it's like a hands with the way like who grabbed the baby at six and like took her downstairs? Like who washed the dishes who followed the laundry? And like I found myself them like as a single man, but like, since I'm married, like, I can't remember the last time I washed laundry. Yeah. But now like I just do laundry all the time. It never ends. Yeah. And I just felt I felt like it made me sad. No, but I was like, Oh, man, poor D because like she already has a lot of laundry. And I was like, I felt like it made me sad. No, but I was like, Oh man, poor D because like she already has so much. She's got a feed edge. She like carrier. She's got to like do everything. And I'm like, now like all this extra stuff. But it went well. I

mean, she's, I think destiny's child said it best. She's a survivor. Yeah. Yeah. But no, she did fine. But yeah, it was, it's a thing. Yeah, it's a thing. And it was funny. I was talking to some of the Marines about it that I was drilling with and they're like, oh, the first time he leaves the worst. And I was like, so guilty almost. Oh, super guilty. Yeah. The most guilty. Like, you know, it's like for work, but you like, you like, I got into Philadelphia, rental car was all jacked up.

Everything was wrong that could have been wrong. Fight was delayed. And I go in and I always eat at the same place every time before drill. And it's sold and it's ruined. And that was one of Jeff's slides, taverns. It's a tavern, wooden paneled walls. It's right outside the military base. It has like Marine Corps patches, army patches, Air Force

patches, police patches, like everything you could imagine. Whole things like military motored. I always go there the night before. I land, I go in, I eat dinner and I know the staff. Of course you do. And then the next day, of course I do. And then the next day we go there usually collectively. And so my gunny had texted me like two weeks ago, he's like, it's called Terra's. Bring back Terra's, make Terra's great again. On the record, okay, podcast, I want Terra's back. And he's like, I told him about it selling and he went and he was like, I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym.

I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym.

I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym.

I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to go to the gym. 1999, like there was history in that place. All gone. It's called Oak and Ember. The logo is like a flame. It's like super hipster. It smells like paint. It's like white in there. And so I get there like 915 and it's like a military tavern. I never thought, like generally you like walk into a place as a Lieutenant and you're like, Oh man, all the military's in here. But this place was almost kind of cool because you'd walk in, you're like, he's drilling, he's

drilling, he's drilling, he's drilling. And all that vibe was gone. Place was empty. But I'm like, whatever, I'll give it a shot. So I sit up at the bar because if you sit at a table by yourself, you're a psychopath. And I'm like, Hey, can I get a menu? She's like, kitchens closed. I'm like, what time was it? 9 15, 21 15 for your military types. And I'm like, kitchens closed. Just to get kitchens closed. I'm like, Oh man, you guys have really changed it up. And she's like, yeah, a lot of people don't like change, but just give it, give it some time because the new menu is epic. I said, I'm sure it is. My only problem is I can't try it. So anyway, the Tavern closed and that was sad, but yeah, anyway, Tara's is gone. It's now Oak and Ember. We boycotted

it the second night. We found another Tavern. looks like a house that's a restaurant, not Applebee's. No, I actually don't remember what that place was called, but went to another place. It'll be fine. Peblums, Peblums is further. Yeah, that's fine. I think you may have posted some lifting questions and I think maybe last week we had the longest episode ever and didn't cover lifting. That was pretty impressive, yeah. Yeah, so maybe- On a lifting podcast.

Yeah, well, I don't know that you call it that at this point, but I have a lot of things to talk to you about. Maybe you should ask one of those questions now. We just get it out of the way. Man, yeah, that's actually a good, it's a good point. You know, it's just done. So I think I had like four of them.

I think you had like five. So why don't you just scan the slide deck. It's probably on your agenda and then you just pick one and I'm just going to shoot from the hip. I may do like a weird strength co-intro because I'm running on fumes and short on content, but okay. Don't don't be shocked. Man, there's yeah, what a good one. I was curious about, but are you, I would do that. Are you ready? I'm ready. All right. I'm going to intro you to it. You ready? Sorry. Okay. Podcast listeners, but content was short on time and content. Grin is here. Hey guys, welcome back. Scraper from the shrinkrinko, live from the OK Podcast.

If you don't watch the OK Podcast, go down to the show notes and go watch it. You can see the whole episode, mostly about college football. But today we're going to talk about... Lifting. Lifting, because that's all we know. That's all we know. Trey, what's your question? Hey man, so you're a dad.

I'm a dad, right? Yeah, we're both dads. Yeah, we know. Trey, what's your question? Hey man, so you're a dad. I'm a dad, right? Yeah, we're both dads. Yeah, we know we're dads. So girls, girl dads to be specific, both of them babies right now. But I think I've heard a lot of people ask this before, but I've heard, what age do you start kids lifting? I'm sure you get this question a lot.

But it's like, is it too young? Is there too young to start or is it start immediately? What do you think? Wait, what's the girl dad part or is that the follow on question? No, it's just like, Hey, we're girl dads. I'm just getting more specific on what type of dads we are. Girl dads. I would say we've talked about this a little bit in videos past, but first of all, you need to think of lifting as any kind of recreational activity. So if you don't ask someone, well, some people do, like, what age can I teach my daughter

to swim? Or what age can I teach my daughter to swim? Or what age can my daughter play soccer? Or what age can my daughter go to recess and slide down the slide? You just do those things. But there's something about the barbell that makes it weird. So the example I've given before, and I still like to give, and we generally use it with boys, but let's use it with girls. So you have a girl and she wants to play sports and she's, I don't know, eight. And you put her in gymnastics and she runs and flips and jumps and jumps on a beam and falls over and like hits her head on a pad. And we're like, yeah, that's okay. Or she

plays volleyball and she like runs, goes up to the net, goes to slap it and runs into another girl at the net as she's trying to spike it and hits her head and falls down in the sand or in the, in the indoor court. And we're like, yeah, that's okay. Um, or with boys I often say, you know, they both put on football helmets, go visit the helmet guy if you need a helmet. Uh, seriously show note links. If you've got a helmet that want? And they run full speed at each other and they hit each other in the head. They both do targeting and we're like, that's fine. And then someone sees a child deadlifting and we're like, what are you doing? You're going to stump their

growth. And that's wrong. At the same time, what I have seen as a gym owner and as a dad, I identify as both, some people want like they're too, it's the same thing in sports. Like the dad was good at football, so they're like forcing football on the son or daughter or whatever. And it's like, yo, let him be a kid. We see that in the gym too, where the dad just deadlifted 500. And so he's pushing the kid really hard. What I would say is if they are pre Tanner stage three, homeschool knowledge right there. Pre pubescent, pubescent, prepubescent. You should not be training them, meaning you should not be loading them super, super heavy and trying to make the same adaptations that happen to you in your forties happen to your child. You should though, however, introduce them to the gym.

I think it's a great thing. I think like, it's kind of like Trey, Church of Christ, myself, Southern Baptist, like our parents just like took us to church as kids. And like, you don't know what's going on. You don't know what you believe. You don't know that Christ died for your sins, but you're just like, church, this seems like a good thing to do. And then later in life, you're like, oh, this is like the answer to all my problems. I should go to church. I think the gym is kind of similar. Like if you expose your kid to it, you show them to it. Like, you know, I pass the offering bag, this kid loads of 45, whatever the case is, strength in America, like it

introduces them to it. And like, of course they can lift if they can run around on a soccer field, volleyball court, football field, tennis, whatever they can totally lift weights. What are kids bad at listening and controlling their own body. So they struggle to understand movement. Now, obviously there's athletes, there's kids. We had like three kids under 10 at this last year's turkey poll, pulling some impressive numbers with like rigid extension back. So there's obviously anomalies, outliers to the general stuff,

but most kids struggle to hold position. So if they can hold position with like a lightweight, do the lightweight. Often it's more like practice. Like the kid is practicing lifting weights. The kid is practicing, you know, doing this thing and then later it gets really hard. Very similar to a sport, right? Like a five year old playing football is not learning a button hook. He's not learning a post route. You're like, go catch this ball. And he just takes off. But he's familiar with it. So I don't think there's a too young, I would say like, don't go crazy with your kids and like add five, add five, add five until they're post puberty. But yeah, I think, I mean, I don't know, I kind of assume with my daughter, I'll have a basement, hopefully maybe a garage. I always want a basement gym. So it's climate

controlled, but a basement would be nice. But that like just a part of life, she sees this stuff. And then, you know, over conversation, it can, it can happen. But I think introduce your kids to it. But don't think about like training. Don't force it on them. Yeah. Well, it's not like don't force it on them. Like don't have them do it at all. I think it's like, like I have seen parents over the years. We were like, my son keeps squatting a hundred pounds over and over. I'm like, yeah, he's nine. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. And they're like, why wouldn't squat

200? I'm like, he's nine. So there's like definitely a thing to manage there. But wait nine years. Yeah. Wait nine years. Yeah. No, I mean, I think most 13, 14 year olds, I mean, it kind of like varies when kids hit that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. We're all different. Some of us are manufactured in Texas. No, I think that's a good point. I like you see in other sports too, like parents who just like, want their kid to be good at soccer. Yeah. And then they just like get burnt out by, I don't know, by the time they're 13, they're done with

it. So yeah, I get it. I mean, yeah, it just kind of ease them into it. Just, I think it's, watch me do this and kind of set an example is kind of what you're saying. And then over time, they'll probably get into it themselves. Yeah. No, it's a me do this and kind of set an example is kind of what you're saying. And then over time they'll probably get into it themselves. Yeah, show the benefits. I want to hit another slide before we get the guest on here. Yeah, I can always hit another slide. You, you took or one you brought up audiogram and I was, did you take up audiogram and I was, did you take an audiogram and TBI test recently?

Yeah, I took both. I think, yeah, let's hit that right now. I'm just going to tell the guests five minutes. Um, let me just tell them real quick. The major equal rank. Um, yeah. Okay. So let me start with you. Audiograms and TBIs. TBIs is not the name of the test, but I'll get to why I got there. But you've taken an audiogram. I've taken an audiogram. I'm so bad at it. I love that we think it's like a skill. It is what it is.

So can you explain the process a little bit? So audiogram, you go in, so audiogram, especially in artillery, you do this a lot and you, you sit down and they test your hearing multiple times throughout your career to see how much worse it's gotten. Cause usually with artillery, it gets a lot worse really quickly. Like you probably came here out of one of your years, right? Right one. Yeah, right. So what they do is at the beginning, they set a best baseline baseline like right when you come to the Marine Corps and you go in and you sit down

and you put headphones on, kind of like grants wearing. And they'll play- Except from 1964. Oh yeah, super old. And they'll play of the faintest beep. And they, some are loud, some are louder than others, some are very faint. And then you sit there and you have a button you're holding it every time you hear beep you click it and

I nice do that throughout your career a couple times and the reason I'm so bad at it is because I'll sit there with my eyes closed and I hear faint beeps and the people are always like Stop clicking the button. Like nothing is playing right now. I'm like, can I have four or something? So to explain a little even further in depth. So I hadn't taken one since I left activity in 2019. And that friend of mine that's deploying has to take one before he deploys. And so I was like, you know what, I'll do this with you. And so you walk into the room and it's four Marines at a time. And it's like vertical coffins. So it's like a door. It's like a refrigerator actually.

Okay. And there's like a little chair in it. And there's windows on both sides or on one side or both sides. Yes. You can see the person next to you. So I go in and like you open the door and they're like in the person delivering the audiogram, like guest and artillery, I've probably done this by my sixth one over 13 years, but they act like you do it every day. So they're like, booth two. And you open the door and I'm like, okay, I guess I sit here. And then I'm like looking, there's like cords on the floor. I look over, there's a newly promoted corporal next to me. And he's like,

I'm like, and I like hold up the little clicker button. He's like, oh, so he like holds it up. And then like, he puts it on like, blues on his right and supposed to be in his left. It's like, you know, it's like we put them on. And then he's like, looking at me. And he's like, now what, sir? I'm like, now you stare at me. And he like thinks I'm serious. So he's like staring at me, like thinking I'm gonna like give him the commands. And it's like, this is an audio test. When you hear a beep, push the button. And it just cuts off. So I just keep staring at him. then he realizes that I was messing with him. So he like turns his back to me, but yeah, it's exactly as Trey said.

It's like, yeah. And then you're just sitting there and you hear nothing. Uh, yeah. So I failed. Um, how, how gone is your right ear? Is it just like, so I asked that specific question. I said, like, is my right ear that bad? And they said, well, it's way worse than when you started. I was like, well, cool. But like, how much hearing do I have in it? So I don't know, they actually called me back in for further testing. The guy was also super like, well, some people are really like intelligent

of reading lips or like understanding, you know, human movement. But you should definitely have a, but you should definitely have a hearing aid. I was like, okay, thanks. What'd you say? Yeah. What? So audiograms and then the brain test is what I call it. It's called like a HMS, AMOS. I don't even know what it stands for. Is it for TBI? Yeah, it's for like, it's a brain. I like my name brain test. So it's like, here's a bunch of numbers associated with an object.

It's like one is a triangle, two is a infinity symbol, three is a square, four is an equal sign, five is a whatever. And so you see it and then you just have two answers, like left is yes or no and right is no or something. And so you go through that test and you just do it and like you're just getting getting through and then it goes like the next test and it looks like a Tetris board and it's like shapes. And so you'll, they'll show it to you and they'll pull it away. And then you'll just see like a blue screen for like five seconds. And then two things will pop up and then you have to click which one you had seen last. And so you go through the whole thing and you're supposed to, and it says like answer quickly and accurately.

And so you just like, you go through, but like the real test, which I've taken it out three times, but I forget it. I've forgotten every time. I've always said that every time I take this, I forget it. Then at the end, the only test that mattered was the numbers and shapes from the beginning. So it's like, and there's some of the tests in the middle are if it's over five, push the right button. If it's under five, push the left button.

It'll be like nine minus four plus six. Are you asking me? Yeah. Oh, 11. Right. And so I installed there. Yeah. Some of them hit instantly though, and you click it and then some of them you're like

one minus 10 plus eight. Wait, what? Yeah. And, uh, and then, but none of that matters. And then at the end they're like, is for a triangle or an equal sign? And you're like, I don't know. But you feel super dumb. So anyway, there was one Marine in there.

I won't say his name. And you go in and it's two computers facing two computers. And people may be in different like portions of the test. So I'm outside, there's a bunch of guys in line. I have to go to a brief. So I cut the line because I'm a major and a jerk because I'm major and a jerk. And I'm like, Hey, I got to go now. I'm like, how long does this take? And Alliance Corp was like, well, sir, some people it takes 20 minutes. Some people it takes like an hour. I was like, wait, why?

They're like, well, if you fail, you have to do it again. And I was like, okay. So I go in and my exos like right across from me and the same corporal that was next to me in the audio grams to my right, there's a Lance corporal like top right at the table. And I can tell he's frustrated. So I'm just like being funny talking like I shouldn't. I'm like, oh, triangle four, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then like whenever I have a blank screen, it's like loading because it's the government. I'm like, how long you been in here? Marine is I'm taking it for my third time.

I keep failing. I'm thinking like, I'm thinking like this is a baseline test. Like how do you fail? So he gets through before I'm done. And the Air Force guy comes in and he's like, you know, you ring a bell when you're done. So they do to come in. And he's like, All right, you're done. He's like, you can go. And the Marines like, Did I pass? And he goes, Um, no, but this is what's going to be in your record. No, but this is what's going to be in your record. And like the other three of us.

That's rough. That's rough. Yeah. All right. Let's get this guy on here. All right, man. Tim, what's up, man? Hey, how are you guys doing?

Doing well. Dude, this is the best audio we've had in a while. Tim, what's up, man? Hey, how are you guys doing? Doing well. Dude, this is the best audio we've had in a while. Wait, mic check, mic check. Tim Bain, how we doing? Good, how are you doing? Thanks for having me on. His audio is great. It's the best, man. Dude, do you want to be a co-host?

I've been saying, haven't I been saying that call times? You guys need somebody to make jokes in the background, sound effects and things like that. Someone actually intelligent. Yeah. Welcome to the show. Major Timothy Bain graduated the Citadel. Native, will we say of Hanover Mass? No, a little Virginia time in there, right? Yeah. Every good Mass hole spends some time in Virginia. But yeah, he's in the army. Longtime listener, first time caller. I've gotten away from introducing

people because like the Marines just like start reading their profile on LinkedIn. And then lately a few people have been saying, why don't you introduce your guests? So today I'm going to give it a shot. Tim Bain met in 2006, a knob year at the Citadel, both in Delta company, Delta frat. And I don't know, I found out he was a Bruins fan and he made me a Bruins fan. We were both already Patriots fans and Bruins were good back then. Long live Tim Thomas. And yeah, good friend of mine came home to South Carolina a few times and then traveled in the army as the, as the military takes you, it just takes you away. And so he's a guy that, you know, you

keep up with, I know he's got children as a wife named Anna and I know he's got a couple dogs, but he's a guy that really, if a Boston sports teams makes the playoffs, we're talking and outside of that, he doesn't care about my life at all. It's the glue that holds a friendship together. But it's a good glue. That's a good glue. Am I right or wrong, Tim? No, you're 100%. And it's the time that I really start caring about Boston sports at this point in my life

is when they make the playoffs, really. It's really just one team is the Bruins. Yeah, you know, I know I was a growing up was a Patriots fan. You know, having that childhood with Tom Brady, I mean, you couldn't couldn't have asked for much, much better. But ever since then, I think ever since he left, I'm falling off and being a fan. So you'd be okay if like, the Patriots, the Red Sox all have losing records if that meant the Bruins are gonna win the Stanley Cup.

Yeah, 100%. I mean, there was nothing better than those years. True fan, I love that, yeah. Leading up, I think it was the 2010s, around the time frame when the Bruins were marching to the Stanley Cup. Tim Thomas was in the net. Was that 08 when we won?

I think it was 11, if I remember correctly. And then we went again. Is that when8 when we won? I think it was 11 if I remember correctly. And then we went again. Is that when y'all won everything? Was that? Is that when y'all won everything? I feel like there was a couple years where it was just like every sport like that. Every time, yeah.

The Red Sox were 08. Yeah, I think you're right. I think it was 10 or 11. But Thomas had a shot a few years there, yeah. Yeah. And he really carried them through. Since they haven't had a, they've had goal, I've had some good goalies since then, but they just, none that can really carry them through the,

the playoffs, the grind and the Stanley cup. So I know they just go ahead. No, I was gonna say it's interesting because the last two seasons, three seasons since Chad Montgomery got there now fired, they've just come out and they get you so pumped. And it's like, there are two different things. And so, you know, they won more games last year than any team in the NHL ever. And they go and they just like bomb out in the playoffs. But you know, they're like, I'm going to go and I'm going to go and I'm going to go and I'm going to go and I'm going to go and I'm going to go and I'm going to go and I'm going to go and I'm going to go and I'm going to NHL ever. And they go and they just like bomb out in the playoffs. But yeah, it's yeah, I don't know. It's a coach is fired. I don't know. Who do we keep? Linus?

All mark or do we keep? We kept swimming. Swimming. Yeah, I think you would. I mean, yeah, you would know more than I would at this point. Grant's more of a Bostonian or Massachusetts than I would at this point. Grant's more of a Bostonian or Massachusetts than I am at this point. That's not true. Yeah. Would you say, is the Bruins, you know how Alabama and then you have your blue bloods of college football, would you call Bruins like a blue blood of the NHL?

Yeah, I think- You might be biased. I don't know if you take off your Bruins hat. I think if you mean like blue bloods, like blue collar or- I would say more of just like Yankees, when I think baseball, like Yankees come to mind, right? When I think football. That's sad. I know, but it's like, that's what everyone thinks about it.

Or when you think soccer, you think like Manchester United. You know what I mean? I guess Bruins, I'm in Texas, man. I don't know that much about NHL. Would you say the Bruins, like weren't they one of the originals in NHL? I don't know if I make that up. No, I think they were Bruins, Flyers. Like four or fiveals? Yeah, I think they were. I'm not sure if I would make that up. No, I think they were.

Bruins, Flyers. Like four or five? Yeah, original six is what it's called. Bruins, Flyers. So yeah, I would call them. Yeah, they're blue blood. Well, let's see if we can get that. Bruins, Flyers, Blackhawks.

Those are Canadian team? I think Blue Jays. Red Wings? Red Wings. I want to say the Rangers, but I'm not sure. We got to look it up for the listeners. Someone will roast me if I got the Canadian team wrong. See, we used to have...

So you said Hanover? Is that where you're... Yeah, Hanover. Is that close to Boston? Yeah, it's about 15 miles south of Boston suburbs, south shore area. Okay. Gotcha, shore area. Okay. Gotcha, gotcha. Yeah.

Maple Leafs was right. Six is Montreal, Canadians. Anyway, yeah. Explain to him where you're from. This guy's from Texas. He thinks everything revolves around the Alamo. We'll get into the Civil War later, but yeah. Yeah.

From Hanover, 15 miles south of Boston, it's a suburbs, beautiful area. I haven't come back home too often, but I'm trying to think of other towns in the area. I mean, it was mostly, you know, we're probably about 20 minutes, 20, 30 minutes from Plymouth, Massachusetts along the way. It's where a lot of my family lives right now. But my whole family is up in Massachusetts is kind of split into, I guess, there's really two, well, four regions, I guess, kind of talk about there's Cape Cod, there's Western Mass, and then there's the North Shore and South Shore. And so I'm from the South Shore. And that's predominantly my mom, my family's from the North shore,

but everyone's kind of moved around since then. What's your accent? Do you think I have one? So I actually think you sound more like Casey Affleck right now than you ever have. So my parents definitely have an accent. Bill Burr. I've heard of Todd. I've sound like more like Ray Romano than anything. He's not even from Boston.

It comes out every now and then. I say saw or saw instead of like I saw him. I don't have like car or anything like that. I just say car, but I think you could lay it on though. What do you call the thing you pull out that you keep clothes in that's inside your dresser drawer? Okay. Yeah. That's, that's pretty, that's pretty non-nonsense. That was on purpose. Yeah. He thought about that one. Yeah. He had to think, he knew he's like, I'm going to say it right. We'll get it to come out. Well, welcome to the pod. We often call this pod the okay podcast

where it's grants, friends and D-list celebrities. And I think you check both of those boxes. So no, I'm kidding. I have some questions from our sponsor, particularly for you. But first, I mean, I know you're an Intel guy, but and because I'd love to catch up and I'm not exactly sure, but like, where are you at in your career? What are you doing right now? How much longer you got? Like, you know, you don't have to tell us about Ranger school. I know it was tough, but it's like, where are you at on that? Tapped out, baby. Yeah. Yeah.

No. So I'm not been to Ranger school, but I've been in the army for about 14 years. Branched originally was military intelligence, career field, coming right out of the Citadel. That's what I originally commissioned into. I'm a major right now. I'm currently stationed at Fort Knox, Kentucky. So about 45 minutes from Louisville, Kentucky. And I'm at- Are they okay podcasts we call that Louisville? Louisville. You're right. That is how you call it. I'm at Army Human Resources Command. So I've kind of looked up to try and explain what that is. And I've been doing that for That's it. That is how you call it. I'm in, uh,

I'm at army human resources command. So I've kind of looked up to try and explain what that is. So I'm a career manager right now. So what the army does is basically instead of having, um, you know, basically I have managed kind of the orders on it's, it would be equivalent of you guys, like your monitor or a detailer. Okay. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Is that like a bee billet that you're at right now or?

It's kind of, it's like a broadening assignment. I think we would call it, you know, it takes me out of my original kind of cohort or career path and puts me on this track where I kind of manage. And my particular career field right now is in strategic intelligence. So it's a different branch from military or it's a different concentration within military intelligence. We have essentially two sets of MI officers. We have your all source intel officer, and then you have your strategic intel officer. So we pick up those officers probably about their field grade time. So their majors or senior captains

and they really serve at like the strategic level as the name says. Pentagon jobs. Pentagon jobs, defense intelligence agency, interagency, joint environment. And there's only about 300 of us. And you're placing them like you're like, so the Marine Corps Monitor means you're the guy

looking over a subset of a type of Marine or soldier and you're deciding where they go. That you're that guy? Yes, yeah. Would you probably do a little bit different than the Marine Corps now where they used to do it was I would do the decision like kind of stratify talent, top third, middle third, bottom third.

But now everyone kind of goes into what's called a marketplace. And it's a two-way marketplace where units and officers kind of get to interview and kind of compete as to, they get to choose who they want to hire. That's actually pretty cool. Yeah. So that's an army kind of brought it up. It's like a business. Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. And you got to put a resume, you gotta interview, you kind of rack and stack your preferences in the units and you try and get a one-to-one match. So they've taken out the career manager's role in a lot of that. So a lot of my role is advisement, but I do cut the orders for those officers

and they do a lot of career advisement. A lot of the time my job is focused on officers that have emergencies coming up with family considerations or we call it a married couples, or just anything that comes up in terms of career, we have boards, promotion boards, all sorts of stuff. Totally out of my lane. When I first got into the job, I was like, I don't know what I got myself into.

But I've enjoyed it. I've enjoyed it now. I enjoy the kind of management side. I do not miss, I do have a passion for Intel, but I have not missed it since sleeping. Yeah. Prior to that. How long have you been in that?

This job right now? Yeah. I've been in for about, I got here in May. So about six months I've been doing this job. Oh, okay. So fairly new. Yeah. Yeah. I've been in for about, I got here in May, so about six months I've been doing the job. Oh, okay. So fairly new. Yeah. Yeah.

You were going to say prior to that. Yeah, prior to that, I was in a traditional strategic intel position. I was down in Tampa for about two and a half years. It's at CENTCOM headquarters working out of their J2 shop, their intel section. It's cool town, I like Tampa. Yeah, it was a good time. It was pretty busy, obviously, with everything kind of going on in the Middle East

during that time frame, but very action-packed. I got to do everything that I wanted to do as an Intel officer. So I was kind of ready to move on and do something else, and that's what this job popped in. Not something we were too excited about. We were looking actually go to Germany for a little bit, but then we were convinced to come over to Fort Knox. Yeah.

How do you like Kentucky? Oh, I love it. Yeah. Honestly, I love it. I love it a lot. The people are very friendly. It's beautiful up here. We're in like Northern Kentucky, Kentucky Anna, I guess you a lot. The people are very friendly. It's beautiful up here. We're in like,

Northern Kentucky, Kentucky, and I guess you can't say. So just people are you one thing about Kentucky to is the people make you feel like you belong here, I think. And there's a lot of people, especially on the border region here is a lot of transient Louisville, a lot of farmland, it's the largest beef producing state, east of the Mississippi, I believe. So tons of farmland. That's what I'd say. Oh, east of the Mississippi.

Yeah, east of the Mississippi. Yeah, Texas, right, yeah. Yeah, would you agree that Kentucky is where the South meets the Midwest? Yeah, that's a great way to put it. Um, yeah. And so I think that's why I love it here. I mean, I love this region, Kentucky, Tennessee, West Virginia, um, because there's a little bit of that. Midwest, South Carolina. Yeah, I do.

It was a little bit of a Midwest feel. People are very friendly in the Southern field, or I guess that conservative nature, conservative cultural feel here. You don't have to tell us how you voted. We already know. Yeah, exactly. I got my hat right here, so. Oh, yeah.

Oh, there we go. A supporter. Yeah. I would explain, outside of his military career. Like I'm a Southerner, but a New Englander like at heart. And I think, I think Tim is a northerner, but like a Southerner at heart. Like, like you, you love like the, just like, Hey, how you doing? Nice to see you. Like, come on into church, sit down. Here's a-

If you drop the y'all, yeah. Here's an apple pie. Well, yeah, I mean, so first time I met Grant, I was obviously at the Citadel, went to his house, and I mean, his parents were a huge part of my life, and Grant was a huge part of my life, who lead me to faith in Christ, but we had the Southern meal, and it was sweet tea. It was like boiled

cabbage with some, it was either, I call it a shrimp and dumplings, but you guys call it frogmore stew. But I think it was what he called it. But it was just great. And South Carolina would just call that dinner. Dinner. Yeah. Actually we call it supper to be fair, but go ahead. I actually would call it supper to be fair, but go ahead. Yeah. But yeah, Friday, it was introduced to all of that. So yeah, this is it all.

Grant took me under his wing. I mean, there was most of our company there was for, I felt like Sumter, South Carolina is like 50% of the company. And in a lot of people from South Carolina anyways. And there are a few of us from North and I think the northerners are kind of looked like as weirdos. Why would you come to this school and things like that? And we are a little bit different, but fair question. Yeah. But Grant took me under his wing while I was there. I don't know why, but, um, cause you were a Bruins fan. Yeah. Great as low standards.

He took me, he did the same for me. Yeah. It was, it was, it was great. Introduced me to Southern culture. I remember we went to University of South Carolina football game. I was always wearing Deer Sucker stuff. I was always like way overdressed. Just like trying hardcore to fit in and it stood out. That's awesome.

Do you remember when? Do you remember what game we went to? Arkansas. Arkansas. Yeah, we did win that, right? I was about to say you probably did. I fell asleep. But yeah, they did win.

So. That was a run. Darren McFadden. I can't remember. I fell asleep. But yeah, so that was run. Dere McFadden. I can't remember. Uh, I think that was the Dere McFadden years. It would have been like, Oh, nine or eight, but you might've just missed on my camera. But yeah, but yeah. Um, okay. So army's going well.

You're a year 14. You can't really afford not to stay in now. Like you're kind year 14. You can't really afford not to stay in now. Like you're kind of stuck. Let me ask you a question. So I have this friend of mine that did nine years active duty and then went in the reserves for four years. So now he's at his 13 year mark. And he also feels like yesterday he lives in Greenville, South Carolina right now. He has a podcast. He like makes, yeah, he like makes gym equipment. And his wife has a lot of like questions of like, how long are we going to do this? And I'm just like, well, the what I tell my friend is like, like, you kind of have to do it at this point. So I say twofold. One, like, how is moving, like cover the ages of your kids. I think I know I'm ahead, Bella, you say, but cover the ages of your kids. How is moving all the time? And then like, as a dad, we're all dads here, you go through like,

this like, man, this is the best thing ever. But then you also get involved in your military work. And you're like, man, these 18 year olds also need leadership. And I know your current role is not, you know, necessarily dealing with that. But I don't know, like, how do you know, like, how does the family feel about like riding to 20? Are you 20 and out? Like, what's the horizon look like? And like, how have you made that work as long as you have? Because you got married two years out of, like you got married as a first Lieutenant? Almost right out of the city of Louisville.

Yeah, second. We got married in 2011, deployed six months later, 2012. Yeah, that's great for marriage and family life. Exactly. Yeah. I've always said that. No, thanks for asking. So it's actually been front center of our lives as of late. It's been difficult. The longer, the more moves that's later on in your career, the frequency of them, I feel like they pick up. Because I'm really only averaging about two and a half years

in assignment and then I'm moving on. I can say that it's been difficult on my wife. She's fully supportive of the whole situation. And as the kids get older, their ages, right now my son Timothy is age nine, my daughter is seven, Charlotte. It's been difficult. This past move coming up here was the most difficult for them to kind of adjust to and so to answer your question

I'm probably looking at about 20 and out and that's that's what I've given my wife kind of as the you know the mark on the wall but I have kind of said okay you know at that point the kids are gonna be in college how are we gonna kind of fun or the you know if they going to be in college, how are we going to kind of fund or, you know, if they want to go to college, but how are we going to kind of fund that? The benefit, you know, the beautiful thing about the army right now as an officer is that you can work off of one salary. And my wife has been able to homeschool, we homeschool our kids because of all the movement around has been, that's been the only consistency that we've been able to have. So it has been difficult.

I mean, it comes to the point where every three years we're looking to like, you know, we kind of get antsy or looking to move, or at least I am. But I know this time around, it's been front and center. My wife has been dealing with some health stuff as a result of kind of, you know, moving can be a traumatic experience for families. And, you know, in your, you know, depending on

where you end up, you have to start over, find community, find a church, find, you know in your you know depending on where you end up you have to start over find community find a church find you know what new medical services or health care that's difficult as a whole so I think you know the way I've kind of planned out right now we do one more move and then that would probably be it. That'll take you there. Yeah. Yeah. Are you, no, it is. And I think it's like worth hitting on and, you know, we always joked that only my mom listens to this, but I will say going to the Marine Corps bowl last weekend, a lot of military folks listen to this. We had, I mean, I say a lot. I just mean,

there are people in the military that listen to this, but no, it's not nothing, I mean, I say a lot. I just mean there are people in the military that listen to this, but no, it's not nothing, but yeah, it is a lot. I mean, moving is a lot on its own. And then one deployment is enough to weather and multiples more. And I think as a young man, you think in the back of your mind, like, I'm gonna do all this cool stuff and then I'll settle down. But then if you decide to go to 20, you find yourself like kind of where we are, uh, and you active duty the whole time, even harder, but you're like late thirties or mid thirties or whatever you want to call it. And you're like, man, I still have to move every two years.

Um, and it's, and it, it's, it's difficult. But as we like to say on this show, we support the troops. Thank you for your service, Tim. But no, seriously. Yeah, no, but it is tough and like shout, shout out to Anna for, for, for doing it all. Because I think it's in a way, I think it's like much harder on the wives because you do have like the camaraderie. Like the reason this show exists is because I met Trey and Jeff as a young lieutenants and we like all hit it off and it's not the same on the

other side. You do have to find other things like maybe you get fortunate like, you know, Abby Tradeswise has been real cool with Dee and I mean, Kaylee has been great too, but like you do hit some of those, but it's not a guarantee. And so you have to find a church, you have to find a school, like you have to find other people. And I think it's like way tougher on the families. And so let me ask, well, you got married right out. So I'll just tell you this. And then you can laugh at me. But when I was a lieutenant, I got to 511. And I remember checking in, they were like 90 days,

you'll be in Afghanistan or 100 and whatever it was, it was some, it was either 190 days, 90 days, I can't remember. And I remember being like, okay, let's go. And then I remember doing all this training and like, you want to go die, right? You're like, I mean, like you don't want to die, but you're like, I'm ready. I go, I've read Nathaniel Fick, One Bullet Away. I'm ready. Like, let's go. And I remember like sergeants, staff sergeants, corporals, hey sir, like I can't make this exercise. My wife's having a baby.

And I'm like, suck it up. You joined the Corps. And now I like view that so much differently. And I've actually called a few Marines and I'm like, hey man, I'm really sorry. I had like no perspective, but it's, yeah, it's, that's a, it's, you don't think about the family part. Yeah. I'm a Marine Corps, would you have a baby? They would issue it to you.

Yeah. No, you bring up a good point. I mean, in my role right now, I obviously do a little bit of life coach with officers that are from everywhere from captains all the way up to lieutenant colonels. And the number one factor that I see officers getting out is stability. All right, and so. Yeah. And so. That's why I got out, yeah.

Yeah, and you know, especially the Lieutenant Colonel years, you know, you can continue on to about, what, 30 years of Lieutenant Colonel, but. Yep. But you have that opportunity up until that point, it's been a rat race, it's been an up and out system, but now you can kind of make it to Lieutenant Colonel or your promotable and now you kind of take a step back

and say, okay, what do I actually want to do? Especially at that 15 year mark. And you have the option at that 20 year to vote with your feet. And I can talk about the Army right now. I think they're in a tight spot with officer retention and they are in very much a retain mode. So if we have an officer that comes on and says, you know, I want to drop my retirement paperwork or my separation paperwork or something like that,

you know, we have incentives to try and get them to stay to get them maybe to the location. But more often than not, it's not even that. They just don't want to move again. It's not about where they want to go. They're just like, I'm good with where I'm at. Family situation with spouses being able to work in order to kind of keep up with this economy. Spouses have to work a lot of things and their career field takes just as much precedent over an officer these days.

So times are changing. Yeah. And so, you know, it seems like we're marching towards more of a war flooding based on everything that's kind of going on in the world. And who knows what's going to happen. But you know, we would have a hard time, I think, turning the thicket back on of like trying to mobilize everybody. And you know, it would probably revert back to what you were saying. Like, you know, the army, if they issued, if they would, you know, if you want to kiss, they would issue one, you know, but yeah, but that's not where we're at right now. So definitely not. No, no, everyone's on the, on the other side. I mean, I think that's like, for that buddy of mine that won't be

named. I mean, I think that's why his reserve units getting called up is because retention is that bad. You know, and you know, the, I can't speak. I mean, the national guards, its own things, supporting the States. We need to get into States rights. We need to get civil war stuff. We will, don't worry. We're about to make it real fun. But yeah, but, but like that's its own thing. But you also have the army reserve. But what I've always seen, and I mean, my career is not that long, but since 2011 is, Hey, this unit that's active duty is short, like four of this type of Marine reaching the reserve grab for plug and play, and now we're mobilizing and activating entire units.

Uh, and it's the And it's the retention. It's, yeah, I mean, I don't know what the answer is. I mean, I know that in the SMCR world, particularly on the illicit side, guys will come in, they'll enlist, they'll get assigned to Fort Dix, New Jersey, Seal Beach, California. They live within 100 miles,

and they'll be in that unit for 10 years. And I've never seen cohesion so tight. I mean, it's like the tightest you've ever seen because it's not just, Hey, I'm going to leave in two years. It's I'm here for as long as I decided to do this. And I know everyone's wife knows everyone and it's super tight. I remember we had a guy that took his life in 2020, staff sergeant of mine. And it was during all the nonsense of everything locked down. And so I just like, I texted one Marine staff sergeant and I said, Hey, my warehouse in California is open at this time for anybody that wants to come by. 200 Marines showed up. And because like that's the kind of

cohesion you built like when you give stability, right? Because people know everyone. And so yeah, it's an interesting thing. And at the same time, like, you got to go places, you got to do things. And, and a lot of times the move is tough. And then you do the move. And then you're like, man, I'm such a better army major having done this thing completely, you know, like it's so it's, it's difficult, but I think the family nucleus is the important part. And yeah, it makes sense that that's what you're seeing that as people are later in their career, they're like, yeah, I'd rather hang out with my six year old and go to whatever. Okay. So before we get into some stuff I have, you're at year 14.

Yes. Yeah. You're in zone for Lieutenant Colonel, or is that coming up soon? A couple more years. A couple more years. Okay. So, so you're very similar to Marine Corps timeline. So you get Lieutenant Colonel, you ride to 20, you tell Anna 20 and done, I'm done. You get a cool shadow box that you don't know what to do with because the army people give it to you. And you feel like this gift looks like it's a funeral gift,

but I'll take it. Okay. And then like, are you going to the FBI? Who's the next whitey bulger? Are you going to go back into government work or like, what are you thinking? That's a great question. I think the easy button would be, you know,

to try and pursue something Intel related in the government because that's what my career field is at. But I don't know what I want to do. I know I want to do something different. I know I've kind of liked the management side of this, of the house with what I'm doing right now. It's just because it's completely different one. I'm not going to skip as well.

And like I said, I got to do kind of everything I want to ever do as an Intel officer in my last assignment at SYNCOM. I mean, and so there's no hot job out there that would kind of I'm thinking about in the world. I mean, honestly, the thing that I really long for is the stability, is to be able to settle down in a location, be involved in the community, whether that's a lacrosse coach or something like that. I don't know, but that's really what I kind of long for.

I do want to be able to work. If you get out of 20, I'll be 43 years old. I still want to contribute to society in some work capacity, I guess. I just don't know what that is. Right now, I would tell you it would not probably be Intel or a government job. I did look into FBI at some point. At some point I was thinking about getting out of my career. It didn't work out. And so the federal law enforcement, which was crushing, because Grant knows my father was in federal law enforcement. He was an FBI agent, right?

US Marshal service. US Marshal, that's right. Yeah, and I saw- Oh, Brailen Gibbons, all right. Yeah, I saw the Army as a means to an end. I was thinking, I was seriously concerned about getting out. I had my paperwork ready to go and applied to all these agencies and the door was shut one by one. And so that was a clear indication that this is not the route that

I wanted to say that the Lord was leading me to. So I I just stay in. And, you know, for the better, there's a couple options. We talked about, I was supposed to go teach at West Point in the Military History Department. And I ended up turning that down at the last minute. I was on the, I was kind of like a downward spiral of like, I don't know what to do. And then this kind of, I went to work at the Pentagon and I was one there at the watch for just, monitoring world events and advising army senior leaders on kind of what was going on. And I got to see the intel world

and that kind of offered me this opportunity to look into the strat intel world, strategic intel. Because I won, I wasn't in a Humvee with a map board, battle tracking stuff, just exhausted and cold and wet and tired. I got to see actual real Intel, I guess, and see how it works. That was, it was a little bit more of a

comfortable lifestyle, but also a lot more job satisfaction, I think, with some of the stuff that I was interested in, particularly what was going on in the Middle East at the time and Russia and things like that. Sorry, I'm not sure if I answered the question. I feel like it went off on a tangent, but. No, I love it. I love it.

Yeah, it's essentially, but you're kind of like all of us. You don't know what you want to do when you grow up. Yeah, exactly. It's fair enough, man. I feel like that's very normal. Yeah. No, I think it's tough and I don't think anyone thinks that. And I think you turn the corner at, I guess most officers run eight, nine year marks, depending on your commissioning platform.

And at that point, if you're doing good, which I know you were based off how you did at school, it's like everyone's just telling you, stay in, stay in, stay in, stay in. And then it's, so you stay in. And then all of a sudden I think it's, it's not a midlife crisis, but it's like you find yourself at this like 13, 14 year mark and you're like, wow, like these things don't matter as much as I thought they did. My family matters more at the same time. Like now I have all this experience and I see like the institution going a different direction and it should go the other direction. And so you have this like internal battle. Um, no, I think it's, I think it's an interesting thing. And I always tell Marines when they want to get out, uh, I still tell them this, you know, everyone

trying to tell you to stay in has never gotten out. And I think that's like a really important thing for people to think about. You know, I generally think if you do one enlistment, you should do two for the enlisted side. Or if you're an officer, you should do in the Marine Corps. After your first one, you do a B billet, you know, which army calls it way smarter. Marines are too dumb to understand that's a broadening experience. So we just say B billet and they're like, yeah, B billet. But, but like, you know, to show you more of that, I always tell people like, Hey, you spend all that time in training, you know, officers, you spend like, if you're an artillery officer, you spend two years in training. It's like, don't flush that down the toilet, like see, you know, what's out

there maybe, or like you have Trey who got out after it. He's like, I'm getting out anyway. And then I look at him and I'm like, dude, you're like stable. You live like, my wife told my, my friend that's deploying. She was like, look, after this, can we please just buy a house and like, hang out? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's coming because it's tough. But yeah, it's, it's a thing that no one knows. And if you stay in, you don't know anything different. And so when someone gets, goes to get out, you just say, well, like, well, this is what I did. So you should do the same thing or, you know, slight variation of it. But anyway, that's, that's the military stuff. Well, I'm sad because I really thought you were going to go and find all those whitey

bulger bodies as an FBI agent, crack the cold case and John Connolly is still alive, but I guess you're not. Does he? So on the Intel, man, so did you get designated that coming out of the Citadel? How does it, because we go through TBS and we find our MOS. Like did you find out like right out of college? Pretty much yes. After going to our camp, it's nowhere near TBS

or anywhere that you would put in our preferences and based on how high you score on the OML, you kind of get what you get. So I think, I know one thing that's different about Army Intel and Marine Corps Intel is one, I really like how the Marine Corps do it, at least for their ground intel officers, and correct me if I'm wrong,

they send their ground intel officers to infantry officers course, I believe, or sniper school and things like that. The ground intel officers to infantry officers course, I believe, or sniper school and things like that. The ground intel, yes. Yeah. The SIGINT and the other guys go to their own school, I believe. Yeah. That's correct.

So I thought that was always a great model, especially because intel is all about having that relationship with that commander who's often a maneuver guy or gal. So in the Army Intel world, we don't have like the Marine Corps has Air Intel, SIGINT, things like that. We don't have that aspect. We have all source Intel officers, but then they have skill identifiers that like I'm this, you know, I have a skill identifier, a background in signals intelligence, but I'm primarily an allsource guy or I have a background in GEOINT or HUMANTS or things like that. But first and foremost, you're like almost like every Marines rifleman, well, every MI officer in the Army is first an all-source guy.

Gotcha. And so later on your career, if you want to go into the strat intel field, that's also available to you, which a lot of MI officers do because there which a lot of MI officers do because there is a lot of job satisfaction with the work that they do. Like I said, you're working at that kind of joint strategic environment. A lot of folks coming into the intel world come to find out that that's not actually what they are doing.

It's a lot of field training, exercises, staff work, MDMP, things like that, that just, the way they kind of advertise it is not always as lines up with reality. And so the strat intel field is kind of what I think a lot of folks think that they were gonna get when they first joined MI, if that makes sense. Yeah, no, I kind of like the way that that's organized,

though, because like you generally have an idea of how all the intels kind of tie in together. Versus I think the Marine Corps is kind of like the way that that's organized though, because like you generally have an idea of how all the Intel's kind of tying together. Versus I think the Marine Corps is kind of like very, what's that, what's the word, compartmentalized? Asking the wrong guy. Yeah, I know. I was, so they do their human and then that gets fed up. You know, it just, it seems like they're very good

at that one thing that they do, but kind of tying them all in together. I'm sure they have some sort of training. Yeah. But no, it's cool. It's cool to do it. But that's the only question I have. So Tim, I was going to ask you, and I'll ask, I'll tell you why I asked this later, but

how good are you at PowerPoint? Well, it depends. I mean, I guess. Yeah, so that's, you know, I think the funny thing about MI officers is they are, they're staff officers, right? And so you've got to be great. From the time they're a lieutenant. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And so I remember when I first went to military intelligence, the basic officer leaders courses, I had no idea really about PowerPoint, but we had some prior enlisted folks that were with us.

They were like PowerPoint was because they were former MI enlisted, MI enlisted and they just knew how to do some stuff. And I just remember thinking, wow, like, but yeah, I would say I'm pretty. Although PowerPoint seems to like update these days, I like figuring out there's all these new things on there. I'm just like, it's just, yeah, so, so, so let me, let me reframe

this. How good are you? So like, there's like so many things, right? There's like, call out slides where the slide looks the same, but you keep clicking it and different text pops up. But how good are you at like knowing what the commander wants to see? Or how good are you at seeing a brief and being like, nope, that thing's touching that color, that CUI thing at the bottom is too low,

bringing up an inch. Like, are you better at critiquing and sending the boys back to work? Or are you more of like, hey, let me just sit down and fix this real quick. Yeah, a hundred percent. Great question. I'm the latter. I'm not very good at critiquing. I've always been, and that's actually been

one of my weaknesses, I think, is that I, my commander's always told me, he's like, hey, I don't need you to be like the senior analyst. I need you to be the manager. But the thing about the Intel world that I've kind of struggled with is, you know, your guys that are in the institution, the Intel shop are doing a lot of work. But for me, kind of in order, if I'm going to do the briefing, I need to actually have like hands on. I'm that type of person.

How you build a slide is actually really important because the way your eyes are gonna go and read it, oh, I agree, yeah. And so, where it became, and a lot of times in the field of exercise, I end up doing a lot of the work because you're the two and you wanna be, have that relationship with the commander. And so that's just, I would say that's pretty common across the Intel world right now,

at least in the company grade years. As you kind of get up higher, you're obviously more of a, you're leading the MI enterprise quote unquote, and you're less hands-on, more directing. But you know, still it's. But still it is difficult. There's been a lot of twos that have been fired. It all comes down to that relationship that you have with the commander.

Yeah. And so understanding what his needs are, tailoring the intelligence to how he kind of conceptualizes the battlefield, things like that, all important. So I would say, to be honest, I think I picked the wrong career field. I think I would have been better in combat arms.

I mean, there's some way smarter folks out there. You've been a great artillery officer. Yeah, pull string, go boom, man. It's pretty easy. So that's what the army is, it's combat arms. So I get infantry armor, field artillery. And so you're an intel guy, you know, you're almost alone and unafraid in those organizations.

And so that camaraderie is sometimes missing, you know, because everyone kind of looks at you as the intel guy, right? Right. But not that I have regrets, but if I would kind of go back and do it again, I'd probably do combat arms first and then first and then, uh, go into it. I get it.

Yeah. Everybody wants that Ranger tab. I get it. Rangers lead the way. Yeah. What did they say at Fort Drum? They had a saying and it was like, uh, uh, oh, they said on to glory. And then the soldiers say a climb to glory or on it.

Yeah. And then you say, what do you know? Have you been to Fort Drum? I have not been to not been to Fort John. Worked with folks at the 10th mountain. I can't remember what they say. Okay. Yeah.

They say to the top. Okay. And so my dumb butt goes through there and I'm like, Hey, here's my ID. And they're like, Hey, here's my ID. And they're like, Glow to glory. And I'm like, what? And he's like, Excuse me? I'm like, No, what did you say? And he's like, I said, climb to glory. I said, Oh, okay. Why? He goes, Well, it's our saying here, sir. I say climb to glory. You say to the top. And of course, like I got a bus full of Marines. And they're like, well, it's our saying here, sir. I say climb to glory. You say to the top. Yeah. Of course. Like I got a bus full of Marines and they're all like, sir, can you

stop? I'm like, wait, can you try again? He's like, climb to glory. And I'm like, hang on, hang on, hang on. I'm like, Hey guys, when he says, climb to glory, glory, we all scream to the top. I'm like, one more time. He's like, climb to glory. And the whole bus like to the top. And he's like, wow, sir, no one's ever done that. I'm like, one more time, he's like, climb to glory. And the whole bus is like, to the top! And he's like, wow, sir, no one's ever done that. I was like, that's because you don't say it right. You say, climb to glory. If they don't know what to say,

you tell them to the top. Anyway, I digress. If you don't know this, Grant, I've been thinking about this. I'm sorry if I'm interrupting, but- No, you're good. At the Citadel, we're in junior year, Grant and I were supposed to be on Cadre, but first semester, Grant, I think you were in

internship. And so I ended up having to become, Grant was going to become the Cadre platoon sergeant. So I turned up being, I ended up doing it in Grant's stead, but Grant would have been way better. I mean, Grant came back, no, you came back second semester and he was like a cadet private or whatever. And he led one of our runs and like, he was just way so motivated, way fantastic. Oh, Grant was just being great. Exactly. And everyone loved it. And he was born bred with that type of stuff. I, you know, yeah. So you're saying I should have been enlisted, but, uh, yeah,

Hey, you're a terrible officer. You should have been a Sergeant. Got it. Uh, well, let's make it fun. So you're from Hanover mass. Your wife is from, uh, Anderson or Spartanburg. Uh, she's from easily. So easilyburg? She's from Easley. Easley. Oh, even better. Yeah. Okay. Up here on the upstate.

So you're no stranger to the upstate. We're going to quiz you on that a little bit. You spent some time because of your dad as a marshal in Virginia. You obviously went to college at the Citadel, which is strange to me as a Northern aggression guy, but people see the same thing for me. But like you could go anywhere, all the things that you gripe about about the army of,

hey, I move all the time. Like right now, forget it's the army, it's any corporation. They give you a job that you like. And they're like, you can live anywhere you want and take and raise your family. Where are you going? So my heart leans towards Tennessee, although there's an asterisk with there. I've never been driven through Tennessee, but I've never really been.

It's a great drive. I'll tell you that. The reason is one, I think it's, you know, obviously it's a beautiful state, a lot of history and big history buff. It's I think cheaper cost of living to buy a house down there, a lot of military retire down there for obvious reasons. For some reason, I just love this region of the country, all the way from Kentucky, Tennessee, West Virginia. It's really interesting to me.

So it would probably be Tennessee. Okay. Yeah. And like hot seat, truth gun to your head, what city? Or not a city, what suburb? Can play that both ways. Yeah. It's probably near the national area. It's gotta be Chattanooga, right?

What, what'd you say Chattanooga? Yeah. I love Chattanooga. Yeah, I'm a big Chattanooga Knoxville fan in the suburbs. I also really like Nashville. I think you live like 20 minutes out of Nashville. Great spot to live. Yeah. I'm a, I'm a, you can become a Redditor's fan. Yeah, man. Don't get me started about these Southern hockey teams, man. Like there's nothing worse than we bruins losing. I just learned Texas had one last year.

Yeah, and he texts me every time the stars route us. He's like, oh, the stars win. And that makes me hate it more. Cause I'm like, you don't care. Like you don't care. I saw the Bruins fire their coach. I guess that because they lost to the stars. Yeah, that's exactly what he said to me.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Which was a legitimate question. So the South. So you're not going to New England, not even New Hampshire. No. Okay. Got it.

You're out. All right. Cool. I have a buddy who lives in New Hampshire though. Live free or die. Yeah. He's a great guy. Loves it up there. He was in Massachusetts and moved up to New Hampshire, bought a house

up there. Is his name Ben Murphy? It's so Ben Murphy's counterpart, Michael Holler. Oh, even better. Okay. All right. Are you sad that Tom Brady wasn't number 10? Because then all of his swag would have been TB 10, Tim Bain class of 10. Like, yeah, have you ever thought about that? I've thought about it. Okay. I've thought about it. Yeah. So I love Tom Brady. I mean, I know, I know he gets a lot of flack. He doesn't like greatness. Yeah. I, it was great.

It was great growing up to be with him. It was really sad to see him leave. There was that one time, that one year he was great in downtown Tampa and that was exciting to see because we were in Tampa at that time, I think. Oh, nice. So you're one of those things. Got it. Reunion.

So yeah, it's truth and advertising. I'm probably more of a Tom Brady fan than anything over the New England Patriots. See, I still want Bill Belichick to go take over Navy football and bring him back to greatness with the beer. That's like my hope. But yeah. Force hit it out, right?

Yeah. If even better, that'd be incredible. We're just happy we have five wins after zero last year. There you go. OK. I assume you've been to some live sporting events in New England. We're just happy we have five wins after zero last year. There you go. Okay. I assume you've been to some live sporting events in New England. I know the answer to this. Like I know you have been to.

You've been to at least five, I assume. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So give us a power five, Tim Bain, New England sporting events. You can go whichever way your brain works. I don't want to dictate your slide. We'd never dictate anyone's slide.

You dictate your slide. You want to start at five and go to one, but top New England sporting events you've been to. And it might be a loss. And you were just like, hey, I went with Mike Lawler and it was great. Or whatever the case is. Great question. Hey, I was with Mike Lawler and it was great. Yeah, or whatever the case is No, great question. So I think number one

Was obviously Bruins going to a Bruins live event. So I was not a hockey fan until I went to a Bruins Event everything was in high school up until that point. My brother was the one that was the hockey fan. He played hockey Early on his years. Um, I was more football. I could care less until I went to the Bruins. They were playing the Capitals and saw our Vetchkin kind of skating around. It was a zero, zero game all the way till the end. Tim Thomas was in that. And at the end we were on the, um, third period, we were on the, uh, capital

was on their goalie side and the Bruins scored with like three minutes left and the crowds went nuts. And that was really it for me on the Bruins that kind of sold me. I became like a diehard fan where I bleed black and gold at that point. Okay. The next number one of your power rankings number two. Next number two was my parents went to Boston College. We grew up watching Boston College play hockey.

My dad used to drive. Sorry, Eagles. Yeah. My dad used to drive the Zamboni in college. So we were huge hockey fans. Any really Boston College hockey sports team that we went. I remember one team, one game we, they played the University of Maine. There was a guy skating to center down the ice and Boston College player came and just absolutely

just lifted him up and wrecked him and the crowd just went wild. The second thing, the third one would be probably another Boston College game against Notre Dame. And that was a night game in live. Boston College ended up winning and that was just- Also hockey? Oh, it's football, sorry. Football.

Oh, okay. Yeah, they are rivals and so we used to go to Boston College football game a lot. Isn't everyone a rival of Notre Dame to be fair? Yeah. Yeah. We played them this year, I don't even like them. Yeah. Four and five.

You know, I never I've only been to a New England Patriots preseason game. And so I couldn't list any of those out there. I'm trying to think honestly, I, you know, the Red Sox games, we always had poor seats, or it was always raining or something like that. I can't remember. Doesn't everyone have poor seats? Yeah.

Seems like no good seats in Benoit, but they're all great. Yeah. So there's nothing that stands out in my mind. I've been to a couple Celtics games, never could get into really the Celtics. So I'm really gonna tap off at like three. And I could probably just add in a couple more.

Maybe South Carolina, Arkansas. Oh yeah. South Carolina, Arkansas. Yeah. South Carolina, Arkansas. Okay. No, that's good. We got a couple power fives we're playing. I kind of like that you stopped at three there. So we're going to switch gears. Power five, one to five, start at five, start at one, Boston movies are, so one, it's probably The Departed. I was just talking, just recently started doing CrossFit the other day and I was just talking to a guy

and he's just like, we're talking about movies because I went and saw a Cladier too recently. Oh, it's out. It's out. It's out. Is it good? I didn't realize it was out. Is it good?

It's not good. Okay, we'll get's not good. Okay. We'll get to that later. So we're talking about, we're just talking about movies these days just seem to be not that great. We saw, let me pause you. We saw 300 together, right? I think so.

Yeah. And I fell asleep the whole movie. No, I did. We saw, we saw 300 together and what's the movie about blood that's like four hours long? There will be blood. No, it's like a Western kind of deal. The oil bearing.

Yeah. Yeah. It kind of looks like wider, but he's not. Yeah. Some consider like one of the best movies of all time. Yeah. I felt like doing that too. Yeah.

Well, it's a long movie. Anyway. Okay. So you saw gladiator two, you didn't like it. Uh, but's a long movie. Anyway, okay. So you saw Gladiator 2, you didn't like it, but top five Boston movies. Top five. And you were talking about your friend Departed. Departed. The Town is probably number two. Okay.

Gone, Baby Gone, number three. Yep. I actually, this is a surprising one. Number four is, I forget what it's called, but it's Mark Wahlberg. It's about the Boston Marathon bombings. Oh, yeah. No, not Independence Day. Patriots Day. Patriots Day. Patriots Day.

Yep. I really love that movie. That's a good movie. Yeah. And then I'm trying to think of another, Fever Pitch would be number five with, no, I'm just kidding. Over Good Will Hunting? With, you know, so Good Will Hunting, I never really kind of got into it as a whole. Okay. Are you fever pitch with the guy from the,

yeah, I'm just kidding. From the about the red socks with Jimmy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's actually a good flick. It is kind of a good flick. Yeah. What's, what's the one with, uh, the whitey boulder one? Oh, that's black mass, but I'm really surprised that Tim didn't say Mystic River. Oh, actually, I forgot about it. Actually, I just watched Mystic River probably about a few months ago. That's a great movie. Every time I want to cry, I watch it. It's no fever pitch though. Yeah, you're right. Exactly. So Black Mass, the movie's not as good as the book. If you haven't read the book. Amen. Yeah. Well, which, which, which book?

Black Mass. Okay. Cause I've read like probably I've read more about Whitey Bolger than probably I should have. But yeah, yeah. Black Mass is a good one. I like the one by the Boston Globe writers. I think it's called the Bolger Brothers. I'll take a photo and I'll make Geordie put it across the screen. He loves when we do that. It creates more work. Yeah, we like to create work. It's like when the commander's like, Hey Deuce, make the weather appear on the slide. You're like, why? Like zero additional. Yeah.

Anyway, so we'll do that to him. Okay. So we got your top five New England games. All right. So slight change of gears, but why we're on power rankings, you are a history buff. You're an interesting bird to me because you side with Chamberlain. But at the same time, you're a Southern sympathizer. You like star of the West. Top five Civil War generals. And you can pick from either side and you

can pick God over country. You can pick secession, you know, whatever. Like if you were like, hey, I've studied all this. These are the five guys. And I'm saying it funny, but like seriously, these are the five guys. These are my favorite because both have reasons. You can have dinner with them. Yeah.

Not a great question. What's your top five? Yeah. So Jackson, number one, without a doubt. He was, the Lord had to take him. Otherwise, the South would have won. Then we would have. So number two, I just read a book about George Gordon Meade. It's really his Gettysburg campaign. Meade gets a lot of flack throughout this time. And I really liked it. It was by Kent Masterson Brown. But basically he makes the argument that me actually did a very good job in managing the campaign for Gettysburg. So I would, I

would, I would rank him up there pretty high. Obviously, I'm actually, I'd probably back him up to three and put Grant down as number two right now. Not me for the, for the listeners. He means the general. Yeah. A lot of confusion. Longstreet is up there. I just read a book, a biography about him. It's more of his political post-war and how he kind of corralled the South and helps the South kind of come back into the fold of the Union afterwards. I thought that was pretty honorable as a whole. It was really interesting to read. And then, you know, I would have to say five

is probably Chamberlain. So I didn't have Lee in there. I've read a few books about Lee. I was about to ask you, but I like that you're ready. Lee, my take on Lee, you know, I don't judge these folks. I think that's what historians do. That's part of their craft is they'll make a judgment on them.

And I just don't try and judge them based on today. But Lee, contrary to popular opinion, my opinion on Lee is that he was a great strategic leader. You know, he was, he saw kind of how the way the South needed to win the fight or win the war by obviously invading the North and having decisive battle. Tactically, the way I've understood Lee was that, yes, he understood tactics, but he had Jackson and Longstreet, his kind of two war horses, and he didn't until, you know, early on, he would kind of allow them to really take

on the tactical fight. And you can see that later on in the war where he had to kind of get more involved, especially the Gettysburg campaign. That's why you see some of the tactical mishaps that happened early on that kind of campaign that eventually led to his defeat. Operationally, he's probably up there as a pretty good leader. He could have done probably more to kind of get logistics fed up to the Army in Northern Virginia by asking the Confederate government there as a whole. But that's my take on Lee.

So good strategic thinker. I know that's kind of contrary to opinion where a lot of people think Lee is a great tactician. But I think he's a great strategic thinker versus the tactical side of things. More of a rah rah guy then. I like it. I like it.

A book that you may not know, The First New Hampshire Battery written by William Marble. He wrote the four book series on Lincoln with the famous one that Professor Kyle Senisi, who we'd like to have on the show. He used to talk about Mr. Lincoln goes to war. But it's primarily about the New Hampshire battery and Pickett's charge. But it's written from the point of a New Englander saying, I thought that the South was just trying to kill us. I didn't know the politics that were at hand. But Marvel, if you don't know William Marvel, he's from South Carolina, New Hampshire, bachelor degree in history from Keene State College. This is a 122 page book. The first New Hampshire batter. It's a lot about artillery with a lot of like hidden messages, but a,

but, but good read. I think that's a good, that's a good top five with, and like, we got a lot of Southern listeners and you, you kind of like, you covered Lee without us asking. So yeah, that was good. Okay. Let's see what else I got here on for you. Okay. I have a question. So Tim Bain, first time caller, longtime listener, this podcast powered by the strength, a long time supporter has bought a squat rack in the past barbell weights, like doesn't ask questions, doesn't ask for a discount vets are the worst at that. I mean, like right now we're running a black Friday sale. I mean, seriously, we're running a black Friday sale. So at any time you can go to the bottom of the page, you click military, you log in with ID.me,

you get a discount. Right now, the discounts are running our way bigger. You can't stack discounts. You get one or the other. And I'm dealing with zero customer service right now. Because everyone's like, wow, the strength goes thrown a sale. Fantastic. Except from vets. They're like, Hey, I'm logged in at ID.me and I'm only seeing the black Friday sale. Where's my additional percentage off? And I'm just like, there is no, like, you know, you don't get both. But, but I say all that to say there was a text message thread that may have been screenshot and then sent, and there was money that was sent to you for weightlifting equipment. And I have to give Trey some context. So BW, a good sponsor of the podcast, we're about to talk about him a lot in just a second. Tim, BW,

and myself have a thread that generally goes during sports season. And, uh, it was something about sports betting and Tim like haphazardly like bad, a money line, like by saying yes to someone on a thread. And so he sent it to us. And then, and then there was also this like in the screenshot, like someone paid him, I think her name was like Valerie, whatever her name was, I tried to fire LinkedIn. I tried to fire on was. I tried to fire LinkedIn. I tried to fire on Facebook. I tried to find her everywhere and I couldn't find her. And she paid him $200 for weightlifting equipment. And I said, wait, did Tim sell off his strength go weights? And so I asked him, I said, what was this about? And I screenshotted like zoomed

in and he said, I'll find out. That's a good Tim Bain laugh right there. So did you sell off some weights? So yeah, I had to, we were over it. When we moved, we were overweight and so, yeah, not your bodies. Yeah. Your vehicles. Not your bodies, your vehicles. And we weren't going to have an area where to put it. And so I did sell some to the SOCOM Sergeant Major, Command Sergeant Major out there. He was, I'll tell you a story. I was selling stuff and he came up to me and he was looking at the ladies. He said, I know Strength Co.

I love Strength Co. I've got some stuff in my, he's like, I know strength. I love strength. I've got some stuff in my, he's, you know, he's like, I don't need any more strength co-plates, but I'll take them. You know, like he's like, he's my wife doesn't says I don't need anything, but I love strength. So you're well known, you know, in the community. That's real. You didn't just make that up to appease me. No, no, no, no. So calm commands are major. And he came in his

souped up truck and we're not souped up, it was a nice truck and he had a Belgian Malinois, you know, just kind of sitting in the back and you know. Is that a dog? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Not a person.

It's a mean dog. Yeah. So yeah, he was, I remember he was like, yeah, I love strength. Oh, I got tons of stuff. But he, you know, he was like, I don't need anymore, but I'll take it. He was, he sold them to a lot of the things. And then I think the girl that you mentioned was, uh, I sold her something. I forget what it was. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.

I didn't actually want to, whatever it was, whatever you sold it to for, it wasn't enough. It doesn't matter. I didn't actually want to. Whatever it was, whatever you sold it to him for, it wasn't enough. You should ask double, but good. Okay. So at this point of the show, well, we usually go into stuff, but I actually think that you know, you're a believer in Christ. That is like the sole mission of your family and your career. Have you found that difficult, like to be in the army and be sold out to the Lord? Or like, or have you found it like this has been the thing that's like made me deal with the circus? I feel like I should ask you that.

No, that's a great question. Talk about that in any way you want. I think the Christian and military, I find myself quiet about it. I think, you know, and the more I guess the more I, I guess when I find a Christian in the military, I'm surprised now these days because I feel like I'm finding less and less just as a whole. And so it's not that I, what I loved about you, Grant, you're very good at evangelism and I've never been very good at that. You could probably, you know, in obviously instrumental leading my faith,

but in this timeframe, I mean, it's not something that I am vocal about where I may be more vocal or willing to talk to folks about, you know, history or whatever, something like that. I feel like if we're at the point in the military, you know, the career field environment right now is if I were to bring it up, like I would get chastised or something like that, you know. Yeah. And so that's just my take now. And so I do find it kind

of difficult, I guess, in a cultural sense, but in a sense to where I rely on my faith. I mean, I find myself at times a day praying about a particular issue or something like that that I'm trying to work through. And I'm not perfect by any stretch of imagination. And my wife's going through some health stuff right now, and it's been difficult. I've been angry. And trying to balance that with the military. And so I would say as a whole, yeah, it's been difficult.

Yeah, no, I think it's, go ahead. I don't mean to be so negative. I mean, we are told that we're supposed to carry our cross. I just, I guess I've never, you know, plenty of folks that served in the military, but, and I know there are folks that are Christians, but I don't see them very vocal about it, I guess, for the most part.

I just happen to know just, but, you know, yeah. Yeah, no, I get it. Yeah, no, it's a, it can that buddy of mine is going over there. And so he came into like, you know, we had to sign a bunch of stuff. And then I saw him at the ball later. I was like, Hey, Gunny, thanks for coming by. And he's holding a baby. Right. And I'm missing my five-hour break, but I'm still going to be there.

And I'm going to be there. And I'm going to be there. And I'm going to be there. And I'm going to be there. And I'm going to be there. And I'm going to be there. And I'm going to be there. And I'm going to be there.

And I'm going to be there. And I'm going to be there. And I'm a bunch of stuff. And then I saw him at the ball later. I was like, Hey Gunny, thanks for coming by. And he's holding a baby. Right. And I'm missing my five week old. And so like I grab his baby and it's like three months. Right. And I'm like doing all the stuff that I've learned. Cause I'm an expert Tim. I don't know if you know this. I'm a dad. If you need help, just call me. Yeah, I got it. And so I'm doing all this stuff. I'm like, what's his name? He's like Malachi. And I'm like, Oh, like the book of the Bible. He's like, Oh yeah, I'm a born again believer. And I was like, me too, brother. And so like we had a good moment, but it was funny because I had worked with him that whole morning. And I don't want to say not that I would have never known in the sense of like his conduct wasn't good, right? But it just

doesn't doesn't come up. So it is a thing. But I wanted to, I wanted to say that. And for the folks listening, just so they had a chance. Okay. I got one more funny question that's going to lead us into our sponsor BW tax. This question's from BW, which I feel like your ad read is either going to be terrible because you know him too well or the best we've ever heard. But he just said TB topics. If you didn't know the power ranking questions were from him. And then he said, does he remember the FTX senior year when he was BW's first sergeant in an ambush and BW got an E, which I don't even know what that means.

So FTX field training exercise for your non-military types or for your non-citadel types, the ROTC guys have to do it. Every cadet has to be involved in ROTC. You were the first sergeant and BW was in your whatever and he got an E. Don't remember? It's better if you don't remember. I don't remember. Is E for excellent? Yeah. I assume it's for excellent at taxes. I honestly don't remember. Is it E for excellent? Yeah. I assume it's for excellent at taxes. I honestly don't remember. Yeah. You know, BW, he's a good old, he's a good chess player. I played him a couple of times online.

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Like, are you, are you being funny for the sake of the podcast? No, no, I'm dead serious. He's that good at chess. And so that's why you you guys were talking about, when you guys were talking about, was it fly fishing? I think I was like, I want to learn how to fly fish. And I was like, I need a hobby. And BW was like, what about chess or, you know, chess is not your hobby? I was like, no, it is. I need like an outdoor hobby. So yeah.

You should take a, you should take a fly fishing. Yeah, or a good area for it. And I have found it's the one thing that completely takes my brain off of everything else that I actually like enjoy. So if you want to come down here, I'll take you. But after my friend gets back from deployment. So anyway, at this point in the show, a couple of things we go through Jeff's not here. His parents are in town. The only reason we excuse people from the podcast is for family. And so he couldn't make it his parts next trade.

Just, just take them through it. That's, this can be probably the easiest one. Probably the easiest one we've ever done. So you've, you've listened to the show before. Oh yeah. A long time. We make the, you're our second listener, man. I appreciate that.

It's a, we make all the guests do a little ad spot for our favorite tax man, BW. So we'll give you a couple of facts. I'm sure you already know them. And then you just get, you take 10 seconds, you take 10 minutes, whatever you want to do and just get a solid ad read for the main man BW over there. So we'll spit some facts at you. You gotta throw the chess player. I didn't realize he was so good at chess. Yeah, that's a good one.

See if you can incorporate that in there. That's pretty good. Let me start and then you go again because I feel like Tim's a little bit different. We talk about BW every week. We always have for 48 weeks from the start of this podcast, back when Bitcoin was 42,000, we've talked about BW tax. But one thing that I find interesting about BW tax is like, he loves Boston sports,

but he's totally embraced the South. The guy sends me more Gamecock news, Citadel insights, Greenville County road updates than anyone I know. And what it shows me is he's a community man. And so whether you're in his community or another one, he could always do your taxes. And I'll tell you, like some people like in the town, we'd call him a toony, but in South Carolina, we just call him a friend. And so he's, he's, he's, he's good at taxes wherever you are. Trey. So the thing I'll have to say about him is I called him on the legitimate tax question

last week. It wasn't, yeah, it wasn't even for the podcast. I just had a tax question because I'm like, Hey, we're doing our tax with him this year. And I called the number. It said, Hey, if you want to talk to BW, click one. I clicked one. He picked up like first rate. So it's legit. Like you call him, you're not talking to anybody who's like a, a chat bot or anything like that, or click one for English click two for county, whatever it might be. Yeah. So you

call BW, you get BW. Okay. Yeah. Are you ready? Yeah. You need more info. No, I've got it. We have more. Okay. All right. Go for it. Go for it, Tim. And I'm not saying you have to New England accent,

but it'd be great. If you have action. Okay. Take it away. So guys, you guys know I love this country. The one thing I always find myself complaining about is the gradual decline of just good old customer service that in this fast paced and automated world.

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It's like a game of chess where every move matters. BW Tax has a passion for chess and it translates in its commitment to each client's situation for their strategic foresight, planning and commitment to keeping you several steps ahead of the game and keeping the IRS at check. That's all I got. I think that rates that rates a gum. That rates a bag. That was good.

OK, Tim, well, I know you're not out here for the fame or the glory because that's why you joined the army and you get it all there. But I don't know if people find you encouraging, if they liked your insights, maybe it's a young second lieutenant in the army. Maybe it's a guy, I don't know, has to move with his wife and family if they wanted to find you. And if you wanted to be available, what would you tell them? So I'm not on social media. I'm on Facebook, but I have very few limited friends of only, I'm just, they can.

It's just BW and me. Yeah. Are you on Facebook? No, I'm not on Facebook. I've never been on. I have about 50 friends. I've kind of narrowed it down just to close friends and family, I guess. I get it.

Big Intel guy. So, I mean, if somebody wanted to- Yeah, this is more like somebody wants to follow me, if somebody wanted to reach out, they're more than happy to, you know, I am I allowed to share my email here or just hold off on it. If somebody, I guess they can contact you and I can more than happy to talk to you.

Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, yeah, that works. So if you want to talk to Tim, DM the OK Podcast, which brings it up saying the name, man, Jeff's not here to do his part. Do you want to do it or do you want me to do it? Oh, I think you got this. Okay. So, so man, we generally walk people through it from the Marine Corps side of life. And the army side of life is a lot different. I think you go into the army is actually one

thing that took me to the Marine Corps because we did not commission at the same time. I did it later. But you know, you got the, I see I'm going to butcher the ranks. I'm going to butcher it and you clean it up. All right. So like what's your gunny in the army? Is it a Sergeant first class, like the crusty guy that's just like pissed at everything. Is that Sergeant First Class? Yes. Yeah. Okay.

So Sergeant First Class, I don't know, you're drawn weapons and everyone's supposed to be there at 06 AM and everyone's there at 06, but like the specialist hasn't even opened the thing. But the Sergeant First Class has counted everyone. And the specialist opens at like 615 and the last soldier comes up and they're at the back of the line. And even though it doesn't matter, the Sergeant First Class is pissed.

And he's like, okay, I know I told you zero six. Um, we just need a, okay. You can put in a solid form. You can just say it, whatever you want to do. Okay. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. I've heard worse. Well, Tim, tell Anna and the family and the dogs, uh, hello. Thanks for coming on. We're, you're the first army, Tim, tell Ana and the family and the dogs, hello. Thanks for coming on. You're the first Army soldier to come on. Second. Salute.

Who's a CrossFit guy? Oh, correct. He did like three years. My bad. But we didn't talk anything about the Army. He's the first Army officer. True. Yeah. Yeah. Second soldier. So remember, if we get mean DMs about how come the OK Podcast only brings on the Marine

Corps, we have brought on Army before. Yeah. But we're glad you're here. I don't know. You want to give like a Casey Affleck impersonation before you leave? I don't know if I could to give like a Casey Affleck impersonation before you leave? I don't know if I could. Nailed it. Done. That was good. Yeah, that was perfect. Uh, you have to click leave and we have to let it upload. Uh, but thanks for coming on. Would you give him anything Trey?

Oh, I'd fight to give him anything. I'd probably be a good dude. Yeah, good dude. Some insightful stuff there. I feel like he could have talked civil war for a pride. Oh, you have no idea. For this podcast is reaching new heights. Joe Rogan numbers.

I've been going a while. Yeah, he could have gone deep in the Civil War. I thought it was top five. I didn't want to pick him apart, but I actually struggle. He said departed very easily and I'm a big back and forth with the parted in the town. But I agree with him. I think the parts best Boston movie things better movie unless you want Boston nostalgia, the scenery in the town. But anyway, I digress. We have other things to talk about. Yeah, both good movies. Great guests. Good dude. Tim Bain. Thanks for coming on. Man, we are just blown to the timeline. What do you want me to do? You want me to just hit the top 12 and talk? Man, I just think it's robbery. We did it. Come out. Yeah,

I did. Okay. Have you looked at it? I have. Okay. Can we pull it up? I think I got it right here. I have not looked at it. Start from 12. Oh God, we're not there. Okay. South Carolina number 15, whatever wants to know about 12 Clemson and out. I think one, like I honestly expect South Carolina to win this weekend. Which puts them in. They jump Alabama and Ole Miss. Yeah. Okay. So Clemson's then out. Correct.

Boise? I think they stay. Indiana. I think they stay. SMU. I think they're out. Who do they play? I think if SMU, I think they clinch the ACC,

I'm not 100% sure. They might have to win, but if, I think if SMU, I think they clinched the ACC. I'm not 100% sure. They might have to win, but if I think they'll lose, if they end up playing in the ACC championship, which it looks like they're going to, they'll lose to Miami, Tennessee. I think they're in Georgia. I think Georgia's in Miami. I think they're in Notre Dame. They're in Penn State. I think they're in Texas. And yeah, they're in. Even if you beat them, they're in. I think they're I think there's since everybody lost last weekend. I think they're in Ohio State. And Oregon. I think they're in. So there's one spot up for grabs and it's Clemson. I could see, I think Boise state has, I think they, if they win their conference, I think they were automatically in. I might be wrong on that. But I think, I think Clemson,

I could see South Carolina hopping in at a 12 spot. So you think is South Carolina, I said SMU is out too. Well, who they play. So I think there's SMU will probably play if they make to the AC Championship, I think they play Miami. I think Miami beats. So they done right now. Like they must play. They play California. Oh, I could totally see California beating them just randomly. That'd be nice. Also ACC, right? That makes a ton of sense. Atlantic California conference.

Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, so you're saying there's a chance. Is there any shot where A&M gets in? Well, so you're saying there's a chance is there any shower A&M gets in they have to win. In my opinion, they have to win the SEC. So they got to win the next two games. So what, so if they beat Texas, are they in the SEC championship? So A&M, if catch everybody up lost to Auburn and a four overtime thriller, it was a good game. It was fun to watch. Yeah. Sad. Sad for me. Great for Jeff.

But since they lost, I thought they were out. And then come to find out since Alabama lost to Oklahoma pretty spectacularly by the grace of Oklahoma, A&M is, if they win, they're in to the SC championship. So if A&M beats Texas, they're in the SCC championship. The winner of the Texas versus Texas A&M game goes to the SCC championship. They go to Atlanta. Wow. And play Georgia.

Wow. Giggum. Which is great because Tennessee will be nuts if Vandy beats Tennessee this weekend. Then, then who knows? So if Tennessee beats Vandy, Georgia, because Georgia beat Tennessee. And Georgia, I think Georgia is in no matter what, even if they lose, even if Georgia loses the SEC championship, let's say to Texas or Texas. I think they're still in.

I think they'll be in a later seat. Crazy. I know. That's just me guessing me. Who knows after last weekend, anybody who knows. Well, this is absolutely crazy. Absolutely. About the South Carolina game.

Yeah, I'm going. Oh, are you really? I'm going. So my brother Jordan really? Yeah, I'm going. So my brother Jordan, Home Depot, if you don't shop at Home Depot, shop at Home Depot. Online sales are crazy right now. I just bought a new washer and dryer for my house in California for that buddy of mine

that's deploying out there. Check him out. So yeah, he's coming with his family. The girls are gonna stick with the wife and the baby and I'm going to South Carolina Clemson. I'll be there noon kickoff. That's kind of lame. Yeah. It's actually super convenient for my life though. So I'm not mad. That's why they planned it.

Yeah. That's why they planned it. They planned it around me. Let's see. I'm just going to hit a couple topics. We're not going to talk about them and Washington Cowboys game was a crazy finish. Patch Genos, Jeff and I ate Philly cheesesteaks. We didn't like any of them. Yeah, they sucked. No, they're terrible. Just see pizza while you're there. Glad you're too. Tim said it sucked. We don't touch that next week. Is Tim being a spy? I don't think we figured that out. Yeah. I think we covered all the slides. I got no save rides, rounds. I got no alibis. Try to take us down for a landing. Hey, this episode 048.

Shout out to the 4 8s out there. Oh, oh wait, four. I forgot that. Yeah. Shout out to the four eights for my favorite and least favorite MOS. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of the. Okay. Okay. There you go. Miss Jeff. Podcasts. I'd like to thank our sponsor as always BW Tax, keeping the lights on. Good dude. Better at taxes. I'd like to thank our other sponsor, gridiron, green gridiron. The helmet guy. Mr. Helmet. Yeah. Mr. Helmet.

That's what it was. Fine. You can see that link below. Click that link. It will take you right to it. It's super easy. It took me about 30 seconds to design a helmet, pick one out and send it over to Jeff, unfortunately. I wanted to send him a Chicago Bears because Jeff's a big Green Bay Packers fan. Huge Bears guy. But hey, deal's a deal. He got the Auburn helmet. Man, good dude again. Love talking to Tim. That was great meeting him. Interesting kind of his life journey so far and kind of how everything's worked out. So glad he came on. Hey, we're open to anybody who wants to come

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