The Okay Podcast Powered by The Strength Co. - EP 98: Debating Rip, Elk Hunting & Safety Razors feat. Justin Jones

Episode Date: February 27, 2026

In Episode 98 of The Okay Podcast, Grant Broggi, Jeff Buege, and Tres Gottlich sit down with outfitter Justin Jones to break down one of the biggest debates in strength training:Is lifting heavy enough — or do you need conditioning to perform in the real world?Justin runs extreme mountain hunts in Wyoming, where 10-hour days, high elevation, and brutal terrain expose the difference between “gym strong” and truly prepared.Timestamps:00:00 - Intro04:14 - Staff Brief18:29 - Safety Razors30:26 - Justin Jones Joins The Pod33:21 - Meeting Rip & Visiting The Gym42:48 - Justin’s Lifting44:18 - Debating Rip & Lifting After Getting Strong01:00:28 - Hunting & Growing Up01:09:37 - Raising Kids & The Value of Money01:13:46 - Fishing01:16:59 - Chow Talk: Game Meat01:18:53 - Carmen & Lifting For Older People01:24:18 - Overcoming Back Pain Fears01:30:09 - Justin Is OKAY!01:41:29 - Olympic Hockey Victory01:48:27 - Saved RoundsPodcast Hosts:Grant Broggi: Marine Veteran, Owner of The Strength Co. and Starting Strength Coach.Jeff Buege: Marine Veteran, Outdoorsman, Football Fan and LifterTres Gottlich: Marine Veteran, Texan, Fisherman, Crazy College Football Fan and LifterJoin the Slack and Use code OKAY:https://buy.stripe.com/dR6dT4aDcfuBdyw5ksCheck out BW Tax: https://www.bwtaxllc.com BUY A FOOTBALL HELMET:https://www.thestrength.co/mrhelmet/?utm_source=The+Okay+Podcast&utm_medium=Podcast&utm_campaign=Okay_Pod Check out Justin's business: https://ishawooaoutfitters.com/

All right, welcome back to episode zero-niner eight of the OK podcast powered by the Strength Co. We are recording live. That's right, live. You heard it here. We are live on X right now or so we think. We can never really prove if these things are true. But we are trying to be live. And so if we're not live, we hope we're live.

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joining us. He's a member of the Killer Bees. He's from the Greater Salt Lake City area. He's currently not in a drilling status. And also joining us, you're not drilling, right? You're good? Not currently drilling, no. Yeah, also joining us from Marfa, Texas, Marfa.

That's M-A-R-S-A-M-A-R-F-A-M-A. That's like Marfa, okay, Marfa, Texas. I don't know where it is, but I know it's real because someone made a lot from Marfa, Texas. And I said, you know what? That guy is going to get a shout out that he's never even heard of. of the OK podcast and she probably doesn't listen to. Is Mr. Trey Gautlich, Robert Gowlitz, the third, father of three.

That's why he's the third. God knew he'd have three kids. This is episode 0, 9 or 8. We got a lot of exciting things to talk about. We got a guest from Texas tonight. So if Southern Grant comes out, that's because we're from the South. Texas. Oh, Texas.

Yeah. So you may get a little Southern Grant tonight. when old Justin Jones comes on the line, keeping it rolling with our D-list celebrities. But first, first, no, no insults to anyone. We don't want real celebrities. We want D-Less celebrities. BW Tax said today,

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All right, hey, great intro. Great, great work, everybody showing up to the brief on time. All right, cracking, cracking cold ones. It's good. Stay hydrated. Ura. All right, let's kick this off. Looks like we got the slides pulled up.

Let's kick it over to S1. How are we looking admin-wise? That's you, Dre. Sir, really nothing major for the group, except I'm going on leave for the next two weeks. I just want you to be aware of that. I submitted it to the XO, just waiting for him to confirm it.

Sir, I'll get with you offline on that. outside of that, a lot of legal stuff coming down. A lot of Marines not throwing away their trash, and that is an NJP offense as the battalion commander's guidance. It came down. So we're going to be prosecuting some Marines for either not throwing away trash, throwing recycling and trash, and trash and recycling.

Can't mix them. It just not acceptable. So, sir, that's really all I have. I will update you on the legal status of these Marines later. Excellent. Excellent. Yeah. Trash five real quick.

just trash five here or not trash six. Are you telling me as our admin chief, you don't know how to put in leave? Oh, sorry, no, I put it in there. I just wouldn't everybody in the group to know you have not approved to get. That makes more sense. Call that putting you on blast.

Yeah. Yeah. Talk to me on a sidebar. Actually, let's have a sidebar real quick. Okay, got it. And often, often one of my favorite tactics. is that is like that, hey, well, I haven't gotten any traction from the emails or the, you know,

that I sent five minutes ago. The stuff that I've said in the office, but like, I'm going to drop this here in this meeting. That way, I have all these witnesses and the commander. And so I know it'll get actions now. And then they're not going to say anything. Yeah. Great. You just get, you just get yelled that afterwards.

Yeah. But you're going to get you what you want. You're going to get your leave approved, maybe. You're going to get a leave for a few weeks. You probably just approved. it honestly. Yeah. All right.

Hey, great stuff, S-1. Let's kick it over to the Deuce. Hey, this is Corporal McCartney. My S-2 got selected for Marsok and no one here knew that he applied. I know he was motivated,

but I guess he's going to like ascension and systems or something. A&S, I don't really know what it stands for. But he left and he's gone. And so he told me to do my best. And so I'm going to keep working on the laminar.

And I'm hoping that, yes, sir, pending any questions, nothing for the group. He told me to say that if I got nervous. Okay. That's what I love about the Marine Corps is people can just leave and you will never see them again. Like, oh, S2's gone forever. Okay. Well, he was here for two months. I guess we'll get another one at some point.

Okay. Oh, yeah. He's a really good friend. He's gone forever. Yeah. Okay. That brings it here over to ops. Ops.

We're up to our eyeballs in prep for the trash operations inspection. The toy, as they call it, the T-O-I. We're updating all our binders. The toy. We've got all our binders. We've got hundreds of binders in the S3 right now that we're just updating. None of them have been touched for two years since the last toy. But hey, we're updating them.

We're basically just changing dates and getting new signatures on all the pieces of paper that need signatures and dates. And we're not really changing any of our policies or actually doing anything different. But we're going to pass the inspection with flying colors because we have great. binders. That's all I got for the three. Hey, Trash six here real quick. Just want to make sure we get the new binders. That means there's old binders. New binders make old binders. Old binders make trash. Just secure it. Excellent. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir, for covering the cycle of operations of trash.

Thank you. Always a good reminder. It's the fundamentals. And we got to be brilliant in the basics. Let's turn it over to. Hey, hey, that's why you're an iron major three. You get it. You get the big picture. Okay, you get the big picture. You, you commanders listen to that company types. When you become a major, you just macro, no longer micro, macro trash. And then for you, lieutenant's in the room.

That's big trash. We're looking at, we're looking for big pieces of trash, okay? Big blue trash. All right. Okay, that's for logistics. What do you got for us? Oh, is that me? Sir.

I hope you out. Oh, I appreciate that, sir. Yeah, sir, for the group, I just want to let you know. Faismo still come down the pipe here in a couple of years, so we're just always getting ready for that. The main thing, though, is, I don't know if I got the email that I sit out, our readiness on our dumpsters went from 10% to, I would say, we're roughly around 20%.

So, head in the, the right direction, sir. Ah, that's good. We're up. So outside of that, uh, yep, I want to thank all people for the working parties for the,

uh, for, you know of that trash. I call those emu bobs. Is that what they call them now? That's what they call them there. Emu bobs in Australia. Yeah,

for our, for our Australian listeners. Oh, wow. Very insightful, sir. Um, so that, yeah,

we'll have another working party here today. so I'll just be expecting those Marines back again. Thank you. Hey, good brief, four, good brief. I know that generally put our best major is the XO or the three, and it's kind of that guy with a messed up career that we put in the four spot, but we appreciate you. We appreciate what you do.

We do. And a good four is a good four. That's what I've always said. Yeah. Sonsu. Hey, I have chaplain checking in here. I need everyone to call on to make sure they are checking their radar. If you have any questions, make sure to hit me up on the teams,

and I will be happy to review the radar operation manual with you, as well as walk you through this passage in 1st Peter. Therefore, preparing your minds for action and being sober-minded, set forth your hope, fully on the grace that will be brought to you in the revelation. of Jesus Christ. As obedient children do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, but as he who has called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct. First Peter 1.13 through 15 ESV and trash sticks here.

I said a couple words wrong, NASB on the brain. But be prepared to secure your mind, secure the trash, and set your hope on Jesus Christ over. So Chaplin, appreciate you calling. You don't have to say over. You're on the call. You're on the call. So we're not, this is not radio transmissions.

It's live. It's live on X right now. You can just stop talking. And we'll know that you're over. Good advice. Good advice. Yeah. Good advice in life.

Okay. Any medical dental types in the room? Brief our readiness. Yeah, sir, this is HM1, doc, as a lot of you call me. I, we just PHAs, okay, I know you did your PDA, but we need to do your PHA, which is separate. And no one can go to sergeant's course unless they've done PHA. And I've sent the link to all of the corporals and below to their emails that don't exist because they're not a mix in. but I email it to them anyway as if they had it.

And so if they could just log in and do the PHA, that would be great. And besides that, I have nothing further for the group. Good brief. Good brief. Okay. Let's keep over. Trash six here. So you mean to tell me you sent emails to email addresses that don't exist?

Well, so technically they would. I mean, I'm not the S6. I don't want to take away from the six as brief. They could exist. but technically they don't but they would if they were on McSin and I think

finding everyone's phone number would be hard so I just did that instead that way I can say I did my job and then do you know what I mean sir five you're in me to talk to her offline

yeah all right go ahead three okay thank you sir S6 S-6. Maybe you have an update on these emails and where they went. Or did Doc? Yes, sir. I'll get with the doc on these theoretical emails.

We'll get her straightened out. Sir, as far as prepared, we're still working on those record jackets. As you know, brief last week, we do them all away, start all over. It's going about like you would expect. Probably have to throw them away again, but we'll get them right eventually. we're in the middle of the Comex right now so we took a pause from the record jackets we set up this sloping V

been prepared for this long range comm that we're doing at the battalion FireX I believe we're seeing some batteries various places I don't know no one really filled me in since I'm all the way up at the middle of nowhere up there

but yes sir that's really all I have for the group hey real quick gutting here Com chief. Thanks, sir. Appreciate what you do as my lieutenant and everything. I just want to remind everybody, October 1st, you need to do Cybermoo, Cybermoo, CYB, Cybermoo. Cybermoo, just type it in the Marine Net, go in there and do it.

And if you want to get these email addresses created, you got to do Cybermoo. It's two-part test. You can test out if you want. Anyway, sorry to cut you off, Lieutenant. But, sir, I just want to make you, I'm here. I deserve a seven block. I got a first class PFT, and I'm working real hard in the comm shop, securing trash. Thanks, sir.

Gunny. Good stuff, Gunny. Good stuff, Gunny. I appreciate that, you know, that experience you bring to the comm shop and taking that young, young Buck Lieutenant and put them under your wing. Make sure you're taking notes there, LT. LT. make sure you're taking notes and listening to everything Gunny says.

Those are wisdom bombs. He's dropping on you, wisdom bombs. Let's see. What do we got from outlying stations? Outlying stations had a couple check-in. First one, we got Mike Kelly checking in. Been fairly consistent. We appreciate that.

He's looking for a weight update from old PJ. Wondering how old PJ's tipping the scales these days. My boy's still drinking milk. PJ, just put your body weight across the bottom of the screen. Just have it float by. I'm going to go out of limb here. I'm going to say PJ has not been lifting as much as he should, but as a new dad with a new baby, he's eaten more than he should.

But because he's not lifting, he's not putting the weight on like he should. And I'm going to guess he's 189 pounds. I was going to say that. Yeah. That's what you've always said. Yeah, I'll price it. I'll price it right at you. They'll do 190.

Okay. You're going with the over. I get it. We got any more outlying stations? We got one more. We got one more. We got Marcos Ortega, Master Guns Ortega, aka tippy top,

aka tap 48. Roger, over is what he has to say to us. Just checking in. Just checking in with a comm check. Just a quick com check. I appreciate the brevity. Brevity on the. the radio and uh tap for a roger out that's well we appreciate you i didn't hear from shani

shep this week via okay podcast but i did see him in person uh what you say is by driving by driving you didn't want texting drive smart smart yeah yeah drink and drive safety behind the wheel is priority yeah uh old shani ship saw him in person that was fun um my way out of my buddy's way out of my buddy's way out of Newark just before that storm. I mean, we sitting in a pizza parlor watching the snow come down with old Shawnee Jr. And, and I said, man, you think I'm going to make my flight? He said, ah, it's nothing. That's flurries. And I said, oh, okay. And, yeah, so good to see him, friend of the podcast. A friend of me, I can fly. Yeah, that's what the airbags are for. Yeah. That's what I've always said. Should we start the show?

I'll start the show. I think we should start the show. You got about 10 minutes before the guest comes on. Oh, excellent. Excellent. Yeah, take it anywhere. Any which way, but loose. Well, both of you, well, Trey brought it up and then you had a follow on comment

of the same sort of theme of the safety razor. Sounds like Trey, you're a recent convert to the safety razor. Yeah. That's it. Okay. Good topic. Okay. Next topic.

I made the transition. I made the transition because, dude, those, I was using the Gillette, you know, mock five, whatever it is. And, dude, that stuff's like 35 bucks for like five razors. It's crazy. Ridicously expensive. Usually locked in like a case and you have to like call some money over it. Yeah. That's super annoying.

That's my biggest deterrent for not buy this like a long time ago. And so then I was like, I'm like, man, I wonder. And I tried Dollar Shave Club for a little bit. And it's just cheap razors. I wasn't a fan. And then I'm like, oh, what's this safety razor about?

And then I've gotten really into just the process of shaving. The art, if you will. I got, yeah, the art. Yeah, excuse me.

The art of shaving. I have like the ladder, the bowl and everything. What brand did you go with? Hinson. They said that was a good starter one. Yeah. I,

um, I could go on. I could, I mean, how in depth do you want to go here? I, do, my biggest issue is, yeah, is not the shaving aspect of it. Like, I don't have a problem with that. And I like it, but it's the, it's getting a good lather is what I've had trouble with. So, if you're going to let me have my way here. Yeah.

I think that there always no shave. Chits that are in the Marine Corps, which the Department of War or Secretary of War has said, hey, one year and you got to go. I actually think that the problem is that people don't know how to shave. They have no idea how to shave and they buy these stupid razors with multiple blades and it causes a ton of problems. And the real answer is if you need to shave every day, like one, you have to take your time and two, like you need to, it's like cutting a tri-tip.

you're not just going to like cut it the same direction with the grain. You're going to go against the grain and guess what? The grain changes as the meat turns. And that's the same thing that happens on your face. And I got into safety razors when my grandfather died in 2008 because I was helping my grandmother clean out the room. And she was like, do you want his razor? And I was like, well, that's kind of cool. And it's like a spin from the bottom, which opens.

like a butterfly at the top and you put like kind of like what just looks like a regular old razor blade or is a regular razor blade and you get both sides and um yeah and somewhere around there I learned like oh there's like a like you got like map your face out and take some time and then I got away from it and I did dollar shape club for a while and then as I got um not old but older I started like getting a bunch of ingrown hairs and it's because like the way the multi-blade just like clips everything. And so about two years ago, I went back to the safety razor. And, man, I'm, I mean, a straight razor would be better, but you need more skill and more time.

But yeah, I use, I think it's called Supply Company. Okay. And yeah, I'm a big fan of the safety razor. And if you take the time, do it correctly, you know what? You don't have like ingrown hairs and an irritated face. And that would fix all of no shape chits in the Marine Corps. That's my, that's my philosophy. Yeah, no, I have noticed.

It is a lot smoother as far as doing it. I still, every now and then I got to go over like twice because I'm still trying to, I guess, as you said, map the face, map the tri-tip. That's what I call my face to try-tip. Yeah. little tried to. But yeah, no, what are you using for shaving cream? So I go back and forth. My mother-in-law sells like face products.

And so for Christmas, she gave me some kind of like Mary Kaye shaving cream that I like. But prior to that, like my buddy's whole deployment had like a wooden bowl. You put the block of soap in there. I then heat the badger brush and then foam it up in the bowl and go to the lather. I have also in a bind, like when I was on ship, I bought a shaving foam. So designed for brush application, but it's like a squeeze bottle. And you basically squeeze it on the brush and then you lather it on the face. And so I did that for a few months.

That was okay. Not as good as like a bowl with like a hot, lather. But yeah, no, I'm all about like badger brush, soap, cube, mixing it up. I'm in. Yeah. I think it's fun, man. I think, like you said, a good strength code product would be like a helmet from Mr. helmet, like a mini helmet, no visor. No visor.

Water could spill down the front and you just put the cube of soap in there and you lather inside the helmet. Idea. Mr. Helmet, green grid iron, gridiron green. click the link in the show notes. What's the learning curve like on the safety razor?

Well, Tray's done it more recently, so I'll let Tray. Yeah, it's still taking me a minute for sure. But I think the hardest part. First time, yeah. This last the last couple times I've done it, it's gotten much better. Are you 10 shaves in? Are you five shaves in? I'm probably like five. Okay.

How often you shave it? Yeah. I have to do it like every two to three days. Must be nice. It is pretty nice. Always a Marine tray. Yeah. I have a no-shape shift with my company.

So they're a little bit more lax. Do you have it on you? Go ahead and just produce that and hold it up to the camera, please. Yeah, please. Make sure it's still with a date. I have flown with my safety razor. I don't even know how many times. 50, 35.

like more than two dozen. And I had a red eye to New Jersey, my buddy last Wednesday, Godfather 6. And I go through and I get stopped. And they're like, what is this? And it's like all my coins.

I had like all my Godfather coins. I'm like, they're coins. Like, what do you mean? They're coins. I'm like, they're like challenge coins.

Like metal discs. Yeah. Like they're round. And they weigh, things. So they're like, okay, those are fine. What is this? I'm like, it's a razor. I'm a Marine. I shave. And the guy's like, well, you can't bring that. I said, I've literally flown to this thing at least two dozen times. You must have flown with it without a blade. Said, nope, definitely not. Definitely always flown it with a blade. He goes, well, you're going to have

to leave and throw the blade away. And I said, well, here, let me show you. And I unscrew it. And I go, I can take the blade out right now. There's a trash can, like three feet from me. I said, I can just throw it away. He goes, no, if you keep the blade, I might have to keep the razor. And you won't have the razor.

I said, well, I don't want you to do that. I'll just throw the blade away. Can't throw it away there. What do you mean? Well, if someone throw, if you throw it away there, TSA agent can cut their hand. I said, okay, well, what would you like me to do? I would like you to exit security and throw it in a trash can in the lobby. I said, so a customer of the airport or the Orange County Airport staff can cut their hands,

but a TSA agent can't. And he goes, yep. I said, so you want me to walk out of security, throw it in a trash can, then walk back through? He goes, yes. And when you do, you're going to get flagged again. When I said, okay. and everything inside me, like, prior to being married and having a kid and, like, just being an a whole, wanted to, like, be everything that was inside me. And I was like, all right. So I, like, walked out through the razor blade in the trash can. Poor Orange County Airport employee, probably has a cut hand.

Walked back through security. Walked back through security. Same guy. Love it. Acts like he's never seen me before. And I'm like, hey, should I hand you the razor now? He's like, sir, just put your bag in the conveyor belt. I'm like, no, I'm the razor guy. And the airport's not busy, by the way. Oh, yeah, it's John Wayne, right? I don't think, yeah, John Wayne, I don't think a single person had gone through in the time that I, like, walked around.

He's like, sir, just put your bag in the conveyor belt. I'm like, okay. So I put on the conveyor belt. It gets flag. It goes on the secondary track. And I'm like, okay. And he doesn't come look at the bag. Someone else says, like, any idea why we flagged you?

I said, well, yeah, I think it's my razor blade. I was just here about 90 seconds ago. And they flagging for the razor. She was, no, it's these metal discs. What are these? They're coins. They're coins. What do you people want for me?

Yeah. And then on my way out, we'll kill this safety razor story because our guests in the lobby. of my way out of New Jersey, I get stopped again for the race. So by the way, I went to New Jersey. I have to buy shaving cream and and you know, single blade

throwaway razors to shave for four days. I'm driving in New Jersey. I go to meet Sean Shep and I'm like, I forgot to leave my barbassol shaving cream at the drill center. So I walk in to meet Sean Shep and I'm like, here, here's shaving cream. And he's like,

okay, why would you give me shaving cream? I'm like, because they can't fly with it and I forgot it. So I gave him shaving cream, which is funny. Because I took a couple photos with him and he's holding shaving cream. And then I'm flying out and they flagged my bag again. I have no more disc, right? The disc are all gone now. And it's this nice young black female.

And she's like, what you got here, boy? And I'm like, well, I think it's my razor. And she's like, yes, the razor. I see it flagged right here. She like opens it up. She pulls it out. I said, well, there's no blade in it. They stole it on my way here.

She's like, who are they? I'm like, well, technically you, TSA, you guys stole it. She goes, you ain't got no blade now, but I'm going to have to keep the razor. And I said, you've got to be kidding me. She's, I'm just joking, baby. I can't believe they took that razor blade from me. That's so stupid. Here you go.

You have a nice day. And I was like, oh, all right. We're good. We're good. So I guess there's good TSA people, too, you know. So, yeah. Yeah. Hinson.

I like supply. I think you'd like supply, Trey. I'll try it out next. Yeah, go ahead. Go with what you got. Safety raisers. Potential sponsors. All of them.

All of them. Yeah. Let's let this guest in here. Let him in. There he is. I was got the flag up, too. Yeah, look at him. Justin, what's up, brother?

Oh, yeah. You like that? Yeah, I love that. What's up, man? how are you? I'm doing good. I thought I'd add a little decoration for the show.

Yeah, no, that's good. We appreciate it. Let me introduce these guys to you and you to them. This is Justin. He, we'll get into it later, but he works out at Rips Gym or actually works out in his own gym now, but he's in Wichita Falls, Texas.

I don't know when we first talked, but he's somebody that I saved to the business line and he keeps calling and buying more stuff. And so I've always liked him. And the other day, he called me. And we started talking about lifting and conditioning. And he runs an outfitter's business. And we'll let you get into it more just in here shortly.

And we're talking about being in the mountains and walking around and being a marine and needing to do conditioning. And he's asking me questions. I'm starting to answer. And I just said, dude, just call him to the podcast. And he was like, yeah, I'll just call him to the podcast. And so that's where we are. And Justin, my two buddies here, I was Marines with,

I guess kind of still Marines with Jeff. He's in the Reserve still like I am. But as lieutenants from like 2012 to 1617, we were all in Southern California together. Jeff's from Georgia. Trey is from Texas. Right. He's Aggie.

And yeah. And we just talk about lifting. and hunting and politics and, you know, sports, and that's what we do here. Sounds like I'm in the right group. Yeah, there's go. Yeah. Still use big words. Well, cool.

Hey, thank to right. Well, that's cool. My vocabulary is small anyways. It's all right. Well, first, I would like to say thank you for your service. I had the most respect for you guys. My brother was actually in the Corps in California or did his, boot camp training in California and a lot of my family are military.

Awesome, man. Again, thank you very much for your service. You're in Wichita Falls or there is correct. Okay. Like how far are you from Rips, Jim? Eight minutes, 10 minutes.

Yeah. Which, if you know RIP, that's too, that's too close. Yeah, it's way too close. Yeah.

You got to be, Grant, you got to be an hour from a, Sam's Club. I'm kind of a Costco guy. Yeah, that's the problem. Yeah, that's the problem. You got to be an hour from a Sam's Club. Okay. Well, I'm coming out there in May, so we'll have to hang out. Please do. Yeah, let me know. Yeah. Yeah. You come out to the house. For sure. So when did you, we'll get into lifting and I want to get into hunting stuff and we'll kick it around, but I kind of get the conversation started. Did you like,

grow up in Rips Gym or did you find it in like your 20s or what's your? No. Yeah. I didn't find Rips Gym until I was in my 30s. Okay. But I had, I played a lot of sports growing up. High school and college had always lifted, power lifted, always loved it. And, but you know, when you're going through especially high school and maybe early college,

you really don't have a lot of instruction. It's just lift, lift, lift, lift as much as you can, as fast as you can. You got one hour to get your big four in and get out on the field, you know. And that's really how it still is today. And as I got a little older, I started figuring out that this is not the way, you know, depending on your goals, obviously, if you're going to continue in sports or if you want to be a power lifter or Olympic lifter or whatever. and so I'd actually walked into Rips Gym one day in my earlier 30s. I wanted to start competing again, and I'll never forget meeting him.

He was like... Wait, so I got to pause you for a second, and I want to hear about this moment when you walking to his gym. But did you, like, know that starting strength was a popular book and the author of it happened to be down the street, or were you, like, on your phone looking up a gym and just literally stumbled in? Well, no. So there were a few like Gold's Gym, and we had a powerhouse gym. We had other bigger commercial gyms here. And for everybody in this group, you've obviously worked in a big commercial gym before and it's impossible. Kids on their phones, people walking around. And I was like, this is never. So I did a year of that. And a friend of mine told me about Ritz Jim. I still didn't know who he was at this point. And so I walked in. I said, hey, it's small. It's all. old school plates.

I'm already liking this. And I'll never forget the first time that I racked the bar, unracked the bar to squat. And I hear Ripp's voice. And I still didn't even know who he was. He's like, rack that shit up. You're doing it all wrong. I was like,

I felt like my dad was about to kick my ass or something, you know? Yeah. Really didn't know. And so he comes over and he goes, let me show you what to do. And he grabs my hips and he pushes my legs out. He's like, you know, he just like manhandles me for a minute. And I was like, I don't even know what to say right now, you know.

And from then on, it was kind of like, I wouldn't even sure if I wanted to come back or not. But then I went home and I was like, man, that was pretty badass. Like nobody ever does that anymore, right? And so I went back and went back and then started training there with some of their other guys, Nick and all those guys that are there. And then I have a lot of friends that have trained there over the years that have powerlifting competed, under Rip and Nick and all those guys there.

And so I just kind of fell in love again. Did you already have a home jam at that point? Or were you or not yet? Nothing like what I have now. It was very minute. Yeah. And, you know, just as course went on, I learned a ton and I still go back up there and I lift with Rusty and all of those guys fairly

often to do spot checks or, you know, we go to lunch together. He'll come over here or whatever. And it's always good. I don't care how good you are or how strong you are. It's always good to have somebody watch from time to time, you know, to help you grow and learn. And so I still go up. Or even just to lift with somebody, you know, I, you know, on deployment, I lifted with a bunch of Marines, now that I'm back, I've been lifting with Ray's a friend of the podcast. And he's a 61-year-old dude. And we lift between, you know, 8 and 10 in the mornings, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. And I mean, there's just something about like just another person in the room.

Like, I'm going to work a little bit harder. I'm going to, you know, and yeah, he's not a coach by any means, retired firefighter, but so I'm being like, hell yeah, brother. And you're like, yeah, I'm going to keep going, right? I got to go now. Yeah, there's a lot of value to that. Yeah, no, for sure. Okay, so Matt Rip kind of got you.

And then did you, you know, you're an athlete, you play college sports and stuff. Had you, did you ever, like, run the program, like three sets of five, three days a week? After, yes. And I still do it today, in fact. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. So, yes, when I got them, like playing baseball and then softball and all that kind of mess, I kind of got more into powerlifting competitively again and wanted to get bigger and stronger. But as you know, as you get bigger and stronger, your flexibility leaves you. A lot of other things leave you as you get older. And I don't know how old you guys are and it doesn't really matter. but, you know, I'll be 45 this year. Okay.

You got about six years on the crew here. Okay. Well, that's cool. Well, maybe you guys can teach me a few things, you know. Yeah, I don't know. So I still lift heavy today, but kind of to go back what you're talking about, I did at one point. I decided, hey, if this is, it's a proven method, I'm going to give it, I'm going to give it a solid, year to two years of doing his program.

And I can in fact tell you, I mean, it really does work if you stick to the program. Yeah. But what I found is, I mean, I own a couple businesses and my son plays a lot of baseball. And so that was kind of the start of my home gym because every time I went up there, it was busy. I mean, it's not a big gym. So there's a lot of people in there. And I just decided that I needed to start working out on my own.

but following his program. And I still do that today. And Nick, I want to get into your programming stuff, but isn't it kind of crazy? So you said you live eight minutes from his gym. You know, I live, I own a gym here in Southern California. And I'm 0.8 miles away. And it's probably, I could probably run there as fast as I could drive there because like stoplights and stuff.

But even me, like I own the gym, it's good for business for me to be in the gym. I get to see customers. I get to, you know, if I fill myself, squat, there's a logo in the background. And in the back of my mind, all I ever think about is, man, I just like want something here at the house. So that, you know, I wake up before the kid. And it's like, well, I could be squatting right now. And I could knock my squats out. And this would not be ideal programming from a progression standpoint.

But it's sure. It's if I wake up at six and the baby doesn't wake up until seven and my wife still sleep, I could go to the garage or the backyard and be done with my. squats. And then later, all I would need to do is press, which I could do at my, you know, my warehouse or go to the gym or whatever the case is. And it's funny how when you're busy and you're 45 and you have a kid and they play sports, wherever the case it is, like every minute almost matters. And you're, you're, you're eight minutes away from, in my mind, the best strength coach in the world. Right. And people in my mind, like no one has brought strength

to a more general population and made it accessible and taught people to lift and get strong than Mark Ripatow. And you're still like, and not as a knock on you, it's just reality when you're at this stage of life. Like, man, driving there, and if I got to wait like five minutes ago in a squat rack, like I don't have time for that.

Like I got a squat, you know. Yeah, well, and you know, you guys are busy with your careers and what you do, right? kids and family. And so time is everything to me. And my workout days are still Monday, Wednesday, Friday. And as God intended. As God intended. And my meals I eat at the same time every day, all six meals I eat at the same time is within 20, 30 minutes. And I'm meal prep and wherever I'm at, if I'm on the road, whatever, I just eat, eat, you know, whatever. So I stick to that regimen. and it still works.

Now, the caveat is to that, and I think you can agree, is that at some point, you're going to hit your plateau, or you're going to say, okay, I'm 40 or I'm 45, where is that top line? What are you willing to load on your back again? Where does it stop? And then that's where you kind of reprogram your training for your, your special ala you know for what you do right yeah i think uh and i want to get in this i want to get

jeff into the action he's kind of does more conditioning than than i then i should do more but he knows a little bit more but i guess to give the listeners a little bit of an idea so you're 45 you own some businesses we're going to talk about your outfitters business because we all like hunting and stuff and we want to talk about that but like i don't know what's your best squat bench and deadlift So people have an idea of the numbers you're kind of talking about. So right now, so on my 44th birthday, I squatted 415. Nice. Oh, yeah.

So Friday will be my heavy day. And I'll do, you know, your normal warmup, two sets of bar for five, 185 for 5, 235 for 3, 285 for 2, 325 for 2, 325 for 1. And then I'll hit 365, 370 for three sets of 5. That will be Friday's way. workout. Okay. And then Friday is also press day. So I'll do overhead all my warmups. And then I'll probably do 185. I may, depending on how I feel that day, I may try to push 190 for three sets of five on overhead. Okay. And then I'll do my warmups on squat or deadlift. And again, depending on

where I'm at, I'm going to at least try to do a set of five of 425 to, you know, 445. And what are you going right now? 217. Okay. I asked that because I want to get into what you started to ask me on the phone because I think it's interesting conversation. So, I mean, you know, Trey was in the gym two weeks ago filming this podcast when it was done. You know, he pulled four or five for five.

Jeff is a 485 deadlifter. And there's some kind of like, I don't know exactly where the threshold is, but if you're around a 200 pound male, which we kind of all are in various ways, it's like, yeah, well, like, you got to get your strength up before you focus on other things. You got like, if you're 200 pounds, you need to be able to deadlift 405, right? If you're 200 pounds, you need to be able to squat 315 or more, right? You can do more. You know, you need to get your press up.

You need to get your bench up. and then at some point though it's like in order to keep those things going up I have to spend a ton of time in the gym focusing on recovery focusing on my protein and for some people that's worth it if you're in the sport of powerlifting you're like hey this is my hobby this is the thing that I do I care so much about taking my squat from 425 to 440 whatever the number is but for most people it's like hey I want to be and strong because it's just a better way to go about life. But I also run a couple of businesses.

I have some kids. You know, I got a wife. I'm in the Marines, whatever it is. And it's like I want to see the numbers go up, but it's no longer my, my goal, like my number one goal anymore. And like that's where I am, right? Like I, you know, I've squatted 505 before and I failed 515. Those are, that's like my best lift on the squat.

I actually have zero desire of squatting 510 and hitting the PR. I have like I could care less. I have a big desire to keep my squat like in the 400s. Sure. But I also like need to be able to run and I need to be able to do stuff. And so I need to be athletic. Yeah. Because like when you specialize too much, you become bad at other things.

Like when I squat at 500 pounds, I could. not run a 24 minute three mile. I could not at that time. I was 240 pounds. I would not have been able to do it. And so it's like, well, if I top my squad out at 465 or 450 or whatever the number is, it doesn't matter. Well, now I can be a little bit lighter body weight and I can do other stuff. So I guess my question to you is you're kind of like at that crossroads and what kind of physical stuff outside of lifting are you needing to do that brought you there and then kind of what are you thinking in terms of conditioning and the way you kind of want to take that? Sure. So I've actually started implementing it actually it's funny you bring this up because

Rip and I had a very heated discussion about this several years ago. Of course. And I have an outfitting business. My partner I do. He lives in Wyoming and I go up in the fall. Okay. And it requires very physical. especially elk hunting is very physical. I do a lot of archery elk hunts, and they're very physical, very demanding. Even before you kill one, you're exhausted.

I mean, you're pounding the mountain. I sleep, you know, my daily, I'm up at 3 a.m. I'm catching horses. You know, mind you, I'm a five-hour horseback ride from trailhead just to my base camp, and then you're on horse every day for hours and hours all day. So I'm up at three I'm catching saddle and feeding Then I'm getting customers up

Then they're getting dressed My cook's already cooking And that deal goes on And so Rip was like We were talking about being stronger in the mountains He goes Justin, that's all bullshit All you need to do is have big strong legs and a big strong back

And you'll be fine And I said Ripto in all due respect Hands down you know more than anybody I know about big power lifting But I'm telling you're full of shit when it comes to pound in the mountain. Because muscle takes more oxygen to fuel than fat.

Simple fact, right? And if you don't train for what you do, you're not going to be any good at it. And that is, especially if I've gotten a little older, I've had to find where that happy median is of still lifting heavy, being strong, but implementing other lifts into my program, such as farmers carries. started doing a lot of burpees. So tomorrow I'll do 100 burpees after. I'll do like a circuit where I do 25 mountain climbers, 15 to 20 burpees as hard as I can, 160 feet of farmers carry carrying 100 pounds in each hand, and then 25 more burpees as soon

as I hit the floor. And that's one set. And I do that after my squats and after my overhead or actually tomorrow would be dumbbell bench. But sure. So I'm doing that. And then I have a backpack that I can load plates on that I can get and show you. But it's basically up the end of a barbell. And I can stack 45s, you know, 2.45s and a 25 on there and go for, you know,

you can't really jog in it, but you can, as fast as you can go with that at killing your shoulders, you know. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So I do a lot of genuine stuff, heavy man bag or strong man bags, you know, those are another big good exercise. That's real life stuff, right? It's not a unilateral move like a squat or a deadlift. You know, I can't tell you the last time I was in the mountains and had to put four hundred and five pounds on my back and squat it. And you guys can respect that as being Marines. You know way better than I do about hump and rucksacks, big heavy sacks up and down the

mountain, the crucible, all the stuff that you do. Hell, you need to be teaching me that, you know what I mean? And so you guys know that unless you're doing extracurricular activities, extracurricular stuff, I mean, you humping a hundred pound rucksack up the mountain, up and down, up and down, up and down, or running five miles every day is not very conducive to you lifting super heavy. Yeah, I want to kick this, I want to kick this over to Jeff, because I feel like you have some good comments on it. But I also want to say like to, you know, the reason I had Justin say that, you know, he can squat 415 and press 185 and deadlift in the 400s is because this conversation really only becomes relevant when you've done the work to get your lifts up.

And that's where I think Ripeto is right most of the time. It's the most times like you get a new lifter and they're like, I want to squat 400. I want to run a 20 minute, 20 minute, three mile. You know, I want to do 30 pull-ups. They have like all these goals. And it's like, well, brother, if you just focused on getting strong, all those other goals you had would get better. You may not achieve them, but they would get better.

And but the problem, not the problem, but the area that I think Justin's in is where a lot of folks are in is like, hey, I did get strong. Am I the strongest? No, but like I'm not a 38, you. year old weak guy that can't squat his body weight, right? Like I can deadlift double weight my body weight. Yeah. And I have other aspirations. And I actually think you're in a small population, Justin, compared to most folks. And I think we all are. Like all the four of us here, we're kind of in a small population. And so I say all that to say, like, I think the name of starting strength

is so intelligent because it's, it's exactly what it is. Like, hey, when you're starting strength. And then it's like, well, there needs to be a book like living strength and then another one called finishing strength. Right? No, I'm serious. Like it's like there's the barbell prescription which says strength training after 40, which I think it should be titled strength training after 60 because a lot of that changes they make. Like I don't think a 40 to 60 year old man is old yet, right? I think there's not a lot that can be done. Right. So I think there's like a living strength book. And then I think there's a finishing, which is like, you know, Trey's grandmother. wants to learn how to squat.

And it's like, hey, this is also possible too. But anyway, I say that as a precursor. But Jeff, like, you've done a lot of conditioning stuff. You've done the long runs. You've done all that stuff. Like, what are your kind of thoughts and what Justin's saying? No, I think that's like, that's funny that I would have loved to hear that argument between you and Rip. Because I think there is something that like, okay, if a, you know, a guy that's got a 400-pound deadlift,

300 pound squat, you know, he could maybe go one day, like in the mountains and be okay. But at the end of that first day, he's going to be just wrecked. And then if you got to get up the next day and do it, he might do okay for a little bit. But if you're doing this, like I looked on your like that guiding website, you know, you have some like 10 day hunts on there. That guy's not going to make it if they have no conditioning base. So you have the strength and then you throw in the conditioning base also like that's where you can get, you can start stacking those long days.

on each other and then actually express your strength while you're doing it because your body has the aerobic ability to handle all that workload and then recover from it overnight and then get up and do it like day after day after day so i think that's like the big thing is like yeah that strong guy might be good one day in the mountains but like you start asking and do this you know multiple days in a row he's just going to get wrecked at some point yeah and i've seen that a lot as a coach is like and even just not even going to wyoming hunt nilk for 10 days But it's like, I'll be coaching someone in the gym. They're doing great.

And they come in on a Monday and the weights are beating them up. And they start complaining about knee pain. And then you're like, well, what did you do this weekend? And they're like, oh, me and my wife went to Yosemite. You know, I'm 50. And we hiked whatever mountain, which is great, which is phenomenal, right? Like, I'm so glad you didn't did that. But it's like, well, one, of course, the weights are beating you up.

You, like, out of nowhere did this extremely physical activity. and then two of course your knee hurts like you don't usually hike six miles up you know to the top of a mountain and back and you did out of the blue yeah it's just a completely different set of muscles I mean you know

and that's what I was trying to explain to rip I'll give you an example so my partner lives in Wyoming just outside of Cody TJ is a big dude he's just a mountain dude he drinks a lot of beer talking about T.J. I like him already. 250, 260, somewhere in there.

When we get done with sheepsees, and we'll shred down, he'll shred down to like 245. But he drinks a lot of beer the rest of the year. And he still kicks my ass. He's just got bigger legs. He's just a bigger dude. But he's born and raised there. He pounced them out all year long. And so there is strong.

Maybe you need to drink more beer. You ever thought about that? Dude, I'm giving it a acre. I'm like, I'm trying, TJ, I swear to go. But he just, because he's born and raised there, it's the altitude. It's what he is accustomed to. So he can go, I mean, it takes me, if I'm there a week, I can stay with him from then on. But I need a solid week to get my butt in mountain shape to keep up with him.

He can just go. but so I do believe there's different structures like you were talking about Jeff you know if you don't do it you're never going to have it right so lifting laterally like what we do and if you're not humping sacks and you're not picking dead stuff up off the floor like heavy strongman bags and you're not doing the real stuff your body or hiking long periods with heavy weight your back your shoulders your feet your ankles your knees are just not, it's different. Yeah.

No, I agree. I do think there is a, maybe I'm rip-a-dope brainwash. I do think there is a, if you are strong, you can build up these other medians rather quickly, right? Sure. It's like if you just did farmers walks and messed with a bag, you'd be worse off than if you can squat, you know, 400 pounds. I agree.

had them on. But yeah, no, I think, I mean, I 100% think you got to, you know, if you have a job, like in your case, you know, going and leading these guys and like Jeff and I's case still in the reserves, you know, it's like you can't, if you don't run throughout the year, which is a bad example, because I'm not a running fan, but if you don't run throughout the year and you think you're going to go run a good three mile, you're crazy, right? And you can't, like, yes, can in six weeks you improve it, sure. But if you don't have like some kind of metabolic base or even, not even just metabolic, not even just cardiovascular, like if your joints and your tendons and your knees and everything's not used to like, hey, I run once in a while and you think in four

weeks you're going to make yourself a good runner, you're crazy. Yeah. So can I can I tell you combat? I want to tell you a funny story if that's okay. So one of my, absolute best friends. His name is Dustin. He was in the Army, served three tours in Iraq, one of my best friends. He's a good dude. Three or four years ago, I took him up. I know Marines, Army guys, you know, but he really is. You guys would like him. Yeah, good dude is. I know you haven't listened to the podcast yet, but we, good dude is like one of our terms. After we have a gas, we say, that's a good dude. It's like military slacking for like, if you like someone, you say he's a good dude.

Anyway, continue. Well, he and I shoot a lot together. We hunt a lot together. I mean, we build gun stuff together. And, you know, he's that kind of guy. And so he came up and did a hunt with me, an archery elk hunt. And then he smokes. And I'm like, hey, dude, I really think you ought to, like, for the next three or four

months, like, chill on the smoking and drinking and start. getting a little bit of your legs underneath. And he looked at me. He goes, I'm not a bitch. I was in the Army. I got Army legs. I'll be fine. And I'm going to share this picture with you guys later of him. So when he first got there, I had this horse named Cream Pie. And I had bought Dustin. Yeah. So it was tied up on the backside of my trailer. And he comes over and he goes, what am I riding? And I said, well, just walk around the trailer. You'll figure it out. And, I had bought cream pie this rainbow halter and lead rope. So you couldn't miss it.

And he walks around and all I hear is like, you son of a bitch, you know. So we're pounding the mountain one day and he's got, we're going across this rock shell and then we're going straight up this shoot. I mean, it was a pull. I mean, I was kind of tired. Well, I got up there. TJ and I were already up there at least 20 or 25 minutes before Dustin come bebop, be popping up to the top.

And he just lets go a cream pie, hits all four legs, and starts throwing up on the ground. You know? I was like, what happened, Mr. Army? He goes, I don't know if I can say what I want to, what he said, but he, you can love it. You get the

rest of it, you know. And it was hilarious. He goes, I'll never do this again. So, you know. Well, Trey, why don't you ask Justin? I mean, I'm I'm so curious about one, like your main business, that you have such a big gym, but I'm also interested in your hunting business.

But Trey's a fellow Texan, so maybe he'll unearth something. I wouldn't. I mean, Trey, why don't you dig at that? Yeah, man. No, it's, I think it was funny. You said you're like eight minutes from the gym. I feel like, well, I feel like everything in Wichita Falls is eight minutes away. Well, that is also not a lot.

Yeah, which is nice, which is what I like. about Wichita Falls, but are you born and raised there? No, sir. No, I was actually born in Dallas, and then when I was young, I moved with my dad to East Texas and grew up farming and ranching. And East Texas, breaking horses in the summers and all that kind of stuff. You kind of got an East, East Texas twang to you. What part of East Texas? Do you know, Paris?

Yeah. Yeah, so I'm in between, my dad lives in between Paris and Texarkana. Okay. Yeah, man, that's pretty, that's pretty furry. So how did you kind of, did you kind of grow up hunting or did you, like, how that kind of loved fair start? Yeah. But how'd you end up in Wyoming?

Well, so weird story. So, yeah, I've hunted my entire family are all big hunters. We all hunt fish. I'm way more extreme than most of my family. But I was hunting when I got a lot. older and had enough money that I thought I was ready to go. It is nowadays for sure. Yeah.

If you don't have the money, you're not going. And so I got, I started hunting with a friend of mine named Kobe Johns. And, and then I had hunted the camp that I have now was the first camp in Wyoming backcountry hunt that I ever did. And these camps were held by permits.

And the permits generally only come up every 20 to 30 years. So, I mean, people use them. And then, but you can't own. It's all wilderness, right? So you are not allowed to own the land. You just hold the permit to outfit in there. So I had met my partner, T.J. Up there hunting.

And about a year or two later, this camp comes up for sale. The permit did. Monty Hoyce owned it. And he was ready to retire. He was going to move to BC and just continue doing other things. So he calls me up one day and says, what do you think about buying this camp together? Of course, living in Texas, I was like, hell yeah, I'm a thousand percent in, whatever it takes. Oh, man, what a learning curve for me, but it was well worth it.

Yeah. So how many years? This is 10 years, 10 or 11 years? Okay. Okay. Nice. And is that, you mentioned you own a couple businesses. Is this, I mean, I imagine the outfitting business is a side business for you.

It is. Yeah. So my main business, I started in college. I started an insulation and drywall company when I was in college. And this year is actually my 20th year. Oh, wow. Yeah. And then my wife and I own some retail stores as well, five retail stores in Wichita Falls, Lotton, love

ambrillo in midlands and like retail clothing yeah um so have you heard of adam and eve yeah oh you have some of those okay that's that's me yeah there you go okay yeah cool someone's got yeah no nice nice no it's it's a brick and mortars man it is uh it's it's gonna get me out of construction i'll tell you that much i mean it's there you go And Jeff, I got to say, I really like your Liverpool. Hey, I like that. We were just up there not too long ago. Oh, cool.

Did you see a game? Yeah, my wife is English. Yeah. Nice, nice. No, we didn't get to see a game. We went up and we're going to hopefully next time, but her parents still live right outside of London. So we're up there a lot.

That's cool. And, but yes, yeah, but we'll talk about that another time. League fans. So that's kind of how have you ever been? Yeah, our honeymoon, we went over to England. We saw, she's a Chelsea supporter, although she claims she's not anymore. But so we saw Chelsea play. West Ham and Arsenal play the next day. And then we timed it so we were there for two weekends. So then we went up to Liverpool the following weekend and saw him play against, against Forest. Man, isn't that country so cool? It's great.

Yeah, it was great. Yeah, no. England, England's great. You know, and Justin, you won't get this reference, but when I was eating with Sean, we were sitting there and soccer was on, he was like, isn't Jeff a Liverpool guy?

And I said, no, I think he's Manchester United. And we had like a five-minute conversation. Are you not a Manchester United guy? No, Liverpool, Liverpool. Okay, my bad. Yeah, my bad. Not even close.

Yeah. Us Texans don't get it. I guess it'd be, is it the equivalent of saying you're an Aggie and you're actually a longhorn? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Okay.

My bad. Except for in Scotland, those are like fighting words. Like, they go to blows over stuff like that. I feel like they might do that in Texas as well. Yeah. Remind me on the next one that I don't wear the wrong shirt.

Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, before we close out of the hunting, I guess I'm just curious. Do you have to advertise? I mean, all businesses, there's advertising to an extent.

I went on your website. I saw the 10-day hunts, the five-day hunts. You want to hunt elk. You want to help hunt, you know, moose or whatever I saw on there. But I'm always just interested in people's businesses. You know, you own a drywall business. You own retail stores. One, who are your clients that you're bringing to the mountain on a 10-day hunt?

And then, two, how do you find them? And do you try or is it like, hey, you want to come hunt out? It's 10 grand. And that just like separates who you deal with. No. So we do, we used to do a lot of shows. Dallas Safari Club shows. I mean, Michigan show.

We used to do quite a few shows, hunting shows around the U.S., especially for the first, I'd say six or seven years. We pounded the pavement pretty hard. And now we have such a big, Thank God, we have such a big following and a lot of repeat customers that, I mean, we're booked. We're booked all the way through almost 2028 right now. Wow. Okay.

And are those Texans? Yeah. I would say probably 50% are from the south, Texas, Oklahoma area. And then we have a fair amount of guys from the East Coast that come over and then some, you know, something rest kind of trickle in from all over the place. Okay. But the South predominantly. At this point, it's word of mouth.

It's just like, I've hunted with this guy, you should hunt with this guy, go ahead and book it kind of deal. Yeah, we get a lot of referral work. Yeah. Yeah. And how many months a year are you up there? Well, so it kind of varies. It depends on my son's baseball schedule. It depends on my hunting schedule.

So, I mean, I archery hunt. Talk about a guy living the dream. How does your business work? Well, it depends on my son's baseball schedule and when I want to hunt. Well, I mean, shit, date, at some point, you got to go start doing stuff for yourself, too, you know. That's right. Don't get me wrong. I've been very blessed and very lucky that just through hard work and a lot of dedication that things have just falling the right way, you know.

And I've been lucky. I've killed brown bears in Alaska. and I've hunted over about, you know, all over the place. I'm going to Africa for two and a half weeks in May to bow hunt. That's awesome. So that's just, you know, but I didn't grow up really poor. And we had to work really hard for everything we had. And so, you know, I just, I'm really tight, actually,

but I do like spending money on hunting. I guess I'd ask you a dad question off of that, Because, you know, I didn't grow up really poor. My dad was a preacher. There's five kids. There wasn't a ton of money. But we grew up as if we were really poor. And it like, you know, it was like, oh, you want something besides corn flakes.

Well, then you make money and you go buy it at the store, right? Like that was kind of the thing in the house. And it's like, okay. And then, you know, my brothers are much more successful than me and work. really hard. And I'm always like, well, is that what you have to do for your kids? Do you have to make them like worry that what the next meal is? Because if if you do make some money, it's like, well, I want my kid to be in the best baseball league, right? Like I'm sure you're doing with your son. And I want them to have these opportunities. I'm curious like we all had to buy our own cars,

pay our own insurance, you know, all that stuff. So I bought a 1881 Dodge D100 for 1,200, for 1,200, self a neighbor and you know we fixed it all ourselves and and i'm curious you know now that you can spend money on hunting or whatever it is like what's your philosophy with kids like do you do you give them anything do you give him nothing grant i'm probably what most people call an asshole because i am pretty hard on my kid i'm pretty hard on my nephews um so in order for my son to play baseball and hunt, he loves to bow hunt. He has to make straight A's. That's rule number one. And rule number two is I only match the effort he gives me, right? He loves baseball and he wants to try to play college baseball. And I tell him, I will get up at five every

day and run with you and train with you and push you, but you have to come get me to do it. I'm not going to do it for you. You know, this is life. Something I've started. with him when he was nine or, I'd say maybe 10, maybe none, is I bought him a invoice book. It's probably the best thing I ever did. I bought him an invoice book, a carbon copy. And I said, from now on, you're going to learn to work and use some of your money for the things that you want to do so that you understand. And so now that he's older, we'll come up with jobs. He gets no allowance money at all. How old is he now, by the way?

he's 15 he'll be 16 in May okay okay and he has his own he has his own bank accounts his own investment account that he's earned to to build up and so what we do is when there's work to be done like real work I make him negotiate with me and tell me what he thinks his time is worth and so if he says hey I'll do that for 20 bucks and I think he's leaving too much on the table I'll say well that's a two-hour job I think you might want to read consider, but then sometimes he's too low. And I'm trying to teach him. Now he's got it down to an art, right? He's like, well, I'll do that for 75 bucks. And I'm like, yeah, I'm sure you will. You know, but so what we do is all the jobs that are to do that day, he has to write on his

invoice, each job and what the money is that we negotiated for that task. And he totals it up. And he doesn't get paid unless he brings me an invoice and we both sign it. And then. Awesome. I pay him and he puts half in his account and the other half he's free to do whatever he wants. That's awesome. But that's just my philosophy because I want him to understand that life is hard, you know. Oh, I got like two bits now that I say, I'm like, one, I feel like no one ever told me that having kids is the best thing in your life. And two, no one ever looked at me square in the eye and said, life's really hard. A lot's really hard.

And if they did, they didn't give me a good sales pitch on it because I didn't know. And then you go to the Marines and you just get yelled at for racing constantly. That's right. That's right. Well, these guys may have a couple more questions for you. Then we got to kind of take you through our little podcast routine. But I did want to ask you, you said hunting and fishing. What kind of fishing do you do?

Jeff and I are of the fly fishing variety. Trajord, large mouth, small-mouth guy. What do you do? I'm basically, if it swims, I want to catch it. But I love fly fishing. Fly fishing in Alaska is probably one of my most memorable. I mean, I took the boys up a couple years ago during the summer and taught them to fly fish.

And I got to fish the first day out of seven days of fishing and never touched my fly rod again because those two bastards were hooked up as fast as they could get it in the water. I was helping one and telling the other one to hold on. I would put the fish in the net, wrap it up, and put it in the water while I went and helped the other one. And so I love fly fishing, but I do a lot of croppy and bass fishing too. Yeah.

Okay. Trey, you got comments on the cropping bass as a Texan? No, that's the best one. That's the only fishing, my thing. I've done fly fishing once, and I was in Alaska, too, and it was pretty good, but I'm more of the – and get a large mouth on, man. That's the way to go.

Grip it and rip it. But yeah, oh, yeah. That's, I'm all about it. And with the croppy fishing, I like eating them. But every time I've done it, we've used that live scope. And I'm just not a huge, it almost takes the fun out of it a little bit. But, yeah, no, I'm basically. It's almost cheating.

Mainly largemouth bass. Yeah, I know. What's the live scope? I don't even know what that is. That's that radar. I'm a conservative. conservationist guy, you know? I'm here for the environment.

It basically tells you where to put the damn lure in their mouth. I mean, it's like this litter. Hey, I'm going to pick this up and share something with you. Yeah, so this is a, yeah, so that, so that, yeah, you see, so those are some of my bears that I've killed

with a bow and some of my I don't know if you can, I don't know if you can see that. I've got to, but or I don't know which way. Yeah, so that's I'll see a bunch of dead animals. Oh, wow. Yeah.

And then I'll just kind of walk you through my, my, I've got some, I finally talked my wife and I let me put my big bull moose in the house. But this is like my reloading room. So, that's, oh, wow. Look at you, man. Yeah. So that's kind of, this is where I spend all my, all my guy time. Oh, man.

Yeah. It's a great place. I'm, I'm, I'm not booking at the courtyard barriot in Wichita, Falls. I'm staying with you, Justin. I'll sleep on a horse stall mat at the gym. Dave, you just come on. I've got a guest house here where I live. You guys can stay right here. We'll hang out.

Yeah. Yeah. I'll be out there in a couple weeks. Are you going to be out there, Trey? Which Salt Falls? Yeah. I'll give you my phone number. You're welcome to yeah. Well, we'll try to hook up and have lunch or something. Yeah. That sounds great. Go ahead. I don't know.

I don't know the question for him. So with all this, I saw all the pictures online on the website. So we do a lot of chow talk on here. What's as far as the meat, if out of all the animals you've had out there, is there one that a lot of people like kind of flies under the radar maybe? To eat. Oh, to eat. Big horn sheep.

Yeah. Oh, interesting. Really? Yeah. Man. Big horn sheep is really good. And so are there. I mean, I have lots of ways.

I mean, we'll chicken fried. A lot of times I like to, I have a rub that I make, and I'll rub it, let it sit out to room temperature, especially if it's like a piece of backstrap. And I'll rub it, let it sit for a few hours, wrap it and bacon, and put it on my smoker until it's about, you know, 130 to medium to medium rare. Let it sit out for about 20, 30 minutes and rest and eat it that way. or, you know, yeah. Man.

Big Horn sheep is really good. Caribou is really good. I love elk meat. Elk meat's hard to not eat. I mean, that's, yeah. Yeah. So, man. Well, Justin, I'm going to see in two months.

I'm going to come hang out. Me and my buddy Connor will be there for the starting strength seminar. And, yeah, I might not ask to take you up. If the guest house available, I'd rather give it to you than the Marriott. I know you'll tell me I can't. I'm not allowed to give it to you, but if nothing else, we'll get a lifting session together and, you know,

hang out and, yeah, it'd be good. 100%. Yeah, you're not paying me anything, man. That's not going to happen. You can come in here and yell at me

and pretend you're a rip or something. I'll take that as payment. How about that? You've been coached by Rip, you'll need to hear me, but sure, we'll lift together. That'll be good enough for me.

So do you know Carmen? Oh, man, I love Carmen. Yeah. So Carmen, I love that woman. Carmen is hilarious. And she knows I mean it with all respect. But like, I love Carmen.

Yeah. So Carmen trains my wife. My wife started training up there about a year ago. And, you know, so my wife works out with the ladies group. And Carmen's her one-on-one coach. And Rip did the same thing to her. They were in their lifting one day. And Rip just, she's never met Rip in her entire life.

He just walks up, grabs her hips, pulls her hips down. And said, you squat like this. And she's like, what in the hell is going on? I was like, well, you've been introduced to Rip. Yeah. There's a lot I appreciate about Rip and his standards, though, because, I mean, it's like, I mean, I've been in there as a certified starting shrink coach, coaching on a seminar.

And I remember one time coaching the deadlift. And, you know, this is probably my fifth, six seminar I'd done under his two to and it's also his business starting strength. And I'm coaching the deadlift. And he comes up and just says, what in the F you doing? Her hips are way too low. He grabs her hips, lifts him up.

He's like, you can't coach your way out of a paper bag. Like, what are you doing? And I'm thinking, this is like, like, all the patrons or the customers here are like, you have said that Grant, had a coach and you're just re-ed-deemating me in front of everyone which probably makes me think

like what is they said but like I mean that guy yeah I've told the story on the podcast for it but I'll tell again for your benefit we posted a video my mom is big my mom and dad are big lifters now they're 69 and 67 or the other way around my dad's

69 he'll be 70 this year my mom 67 and I made a video when they started lifting lifting in 2019 and they have lifted at least two days a week since 2019, I've never missed. They're like, is psychopathic about it as you and I are. My mom can death lift 250 pounds. My dad can pull 365.

Like, it's cool. But the first video I made, I called it, how to get your parents to lift. And on the front end of it, I talked about, you know, how I kind of got them to come into the gym and do the thing. And there's like some B-roll of like my mom's first squats. My mom was scared. She's a runner. She's fit. And she's a 15 pound bar in her back.

And, you know, I couldn't get her to go all the way down. And so I put a bench for her to squat to because I was like, well, it'll take the fear out of her mind of like falling over, right? And she still wouldn't touch the bench. So I put a bench and a 10 pound weight on it. And I was like, touch the bench when she did. And then I removed the tin. And then she touched the bench.

And then I removed the bench. And by the end of the day, we had her squat. depth. But in the video I made, you know, I'm coaching them. I'm also trying to film putting something together later. I never showed like a to depth squat. And I sent the video starring strength. You know, they like coaches to submit content. And it was really, I mean, in my mind, it was really good video. It's like my mom like, well, my son owns a gym. I figured I should go visit it and try it. and I'm getting older, and he says he's going to have kids, Graham kids for me one day, I should do this.

It's like a great, it's like a really feel good video. But in the video, the only time you see your squat, which is like five seconds of B roll, it's like, you know, two inches above parallel to touch the plate on top of the bench. And man, Rip called me and acted like I killed his wife. Killed his wife.

What are you doing? like she I'm not doing that video why did you put a bar on her back before you had her to parallel you should have focused on parallel with a bodyway squat before you ever you know put a bar on her back and in one sense I'm like man he's right and the other sense I'm like well I also realized that I had one opportunity to make my mom not be scared of barbells right because she was going to go back to South Carolina and she was going to go work with someone else. And so like my, I'm a sales guy. I'm thinking if I can make her not afraid of this barbell, we can get her to depth later, right? Which we got her to depth that day. I just didn't show it on the video. Anyway, I sell it to say,

I, as annoying it is as like someone that in some aspects as an employee of his, I do really respect. Like there's no compromise, right? Like you're not doing it right. I'm going to grab your hips. I'm going to fix it. I don't know who you are, Justin Jones' wife,

but I'm going to yell at you like if you were a high school football athlete. Like there's a right way and a wrong way. And I'm going to make sure you do it right. And I appreciate that anymore. I really. And there are very, if any, guys left like that out there that are old school. And that brings me to question. I would like all of your opinion on me.

Okay. Yeah. Hit it. With you guys, you know, being in the Marine. and being heavy lifters alike, how often do you find people that, like I know I do when I'm trying to help people learn

and getting younger kids or older people, my age, trying to get into lifting. They want to lift heavy, you know, and we're trying to start the foundation, and they're like, oh, my back hurts. I'm, you know, I've got a bad back or I've got a, I'm afraid to hurt my back,

you know, how often do you three guys hear that and overcome things like that in your profession and what you do. I'll let these guys. I'll let these guys go first because I could go all day. Well, yeah. Jeff. I get it. Yeah.

You hear a lot. They are like, so we just did our, I had some of, yeah, we're service now. So I had our drill weekend this past weekend. And we did our like physical fitness test.

So we did our, our pull-ups. We do a plank now. And then a three-mile run. And just hear it all like the, oh, sir, my knees at like, oh, my, hit my knees in back.

And I'm like, how old are you? And they're like, I'm 26. And I'm like, no, man, like, you're just probably weak at this point or like, so obviously, you got to, you got to get a lift. Like, you can't just be running or you can't just be doing the, the PT sessions when we show up once a month for, uh, for our drill weekends. I was like, you got to start, you got to get a barbell. You got to start lifting like that'll make all those, you know, if you're, you know, in your 20s for sure, 30s. definitely just getting a little bit stronger all that all those like back pain and knee pain is it's going to go away like it's it's the barbell is is truly like is medicine for real try they crazy thoughts

yeah well i was on the other end of that so i think i wasn't really lifting too much at least not the kind of lives we're talking about uh when i was in the marine corps until grant kind of brought me into this Colt that he started. And so, um, so yeah, I don't know. I feel like I was in the other new that.

So I kind of, I don't know. I was never afraid I was going to like be hurt or be too weak or anything like that. But I don't know. Yeah, that's, I don't have an experience probably is what you're talking about compared to probably Jeff and Grant can probably speak to a lot better.

I think it's crazy. And then I'll let you riff, Justin, but I, it is insane to me the amount of any kind of, any kind of discomfort that anyone has ever faced in their life in their low back or their knees, they will give it as a reason to never do anything in the gym. And it is, and it's quite frankly, it's a shame what you see in the Marine Corps because it's like, you're a United States Marine.

You just, you just hiked three miles with me, Karen, a M240 Bravo crew serve and, you know, a 60-pound rucksack on your back and you think you can't squat 45 pounds. I mean, it is, it is, but it is, it's where we're at. And I think it's getting better. I actually think it's getting better. More people are lifting weights and doing things, but it is wild to me. And it's also, there's some generational stuff there, you know, it's, I have grown appreciation. I used to talk a lot of smack about dudes over 40 like you, because every dude, every dude over 40 would come in the gym and tell me all their ailments. And I'd be like, you're full of S-H-I-T.

And then now that as I come up close to 40, I'm like, oh, stuff does actually hurt a lot more. This is actually real. But on the other side of the spectrum, it's like, brother, you're 23. You don't get to tell me anything. You could drink 47 beers last night and still squat 405 in the morning, right? Like you're guaranteed, dude. You are young. It's wild.

And it's, yeah, it's crazy. Like, even today that I know a lot of 20 and 30 year olds that could not, I mean, and no, nothing, I mean, I'm not a Marine, but like, they couldn't hang with me if they wanted to. And I teach my, you know, even talking to my brother and younger guys and my son is that it's the grit, date, it's inside of you. What, what are you willing to sacrifice to get to where you want, right? And that's the same in the gym. Do you want to get to a certain lift or a certain pounded? Do you have to grind? You have to get in every day or your days in eating and training and push through the pain. And you will come out better on the other side, you know? And yeah,

there's lots of days at 45 or almost 45. I come in here and I'm a little, I just find other ways to get in it. You know what I mean, whether it's a 10-minute bike ride and a hip stretch, you know, that I do this weird stretch where I put my knee on the ground and put my shin vertical up the wall and then pull the opposite leg and pull the opposite leg under your under armpit. Well, let me tell you, the first like three or four times I thought my entire quad muscle and hip were going to blow out of my leg because I was like, this is not. normal but what I found is that now I can do it and I hold it for two minutes each side. Yeah. Now it completely opens my head. Don't tell Rip you're stretching. Yeah, well, you know what?

Until Rip comes over here and yells at me, I'm going to keep doing it. I don't do any static stretch other than that one, you know. Yeah. Hey, so we got like two little bits that are kind of silly, but we take every guest through it. We think you'll enjoy it. Jeff, why don't you take him through the first one? And then, Trey can take it to the tax one. Go ahead, Jeff.

Okay, this next little bit, so kind of harkens back to the naming of this podcast for the OK podcast. And so it comes from basically like, you know, in the Marine Corps or probably even like in the Army, you know, you got those guys that have been around for, you know, 70, like anywhere from 12 to 17 years. So they've seen some stuff, you know, they're they're a little cranky. maybe they're in their 40s now and they're, you know, stuff's, stuff starting to actually really legitimately hurt, you know. And so they don't, they don't put up with any, uh, any nonsense. And then you get the young, you know, the young kids brand new to the military. They don't know that anything.

It's their first time, like, away from home and they're scared out of their mind or they're just dumb and 19 year olds, you know, just remember being 19 and not knowing how to act, And so sometimes the older or more experience, usually it's a gunnery sergeant or a gunny has to get the attention of the young buck. And so he gives them a good, okay. Like maybe they're doing something they're not supposed to be doing. And that's like to snap them out of whatever they're doing, get him to look. And then usually he then goes on a tirade of correcting them and telling him how terrible they are and how they need to fix themselves and then sends them on their way. So we have our guests give their best okay.

So whenever you're ready. You can put in a sentence if you want. Yeah. You can just scream okay at the camera. It's just a part of what we do. No, that's okay. Okay. That's pretty good.

That's really good. Yeah. I thought you were going to go more with Rip always says during the seminars. All right. Okay. All right. Yeah. No, that was good.

Well, I hope you'll pass your test on that. Yeah, we do have a sponsor of the podcast. We have two sponsors. That's how, you know, as I tell my mother, there's a real podcast. Like, people pay us to talk. And so, Trey's going to tell you a little bit about a sponsor. And then we have you kind of do what we call like a cold stick ad read. It's kind of better for folks like you.

Like we're buddies, but I don't think you've listened to a bunch of episodes. So we'll tell you some facts about the sponsor. And well, Trey, Trey, just take them through it. Okay. I think it's going to be good because, you know, like when people come in and you're coaching them and they're like, oh, I know how to squat and they actually don't. It's going to be easier. So I think it's going to be good. So, yeah, so as Grant mentioned, we got a couple sponsors here. And the original sponsor of the OG is BW attacks. And the kind of the stick we do, as Grant said, is we kind of have you just do an ad read. You kind of take it wherever you want it. It can be as long as you want, it can be as long as you want. But I think we're just spit a couple of things. facts to you about BW tax and then you kind of will take that process that information will give you 3-21 action

and then you kind of read back whatever ad read you come up with so BW tax based in South Carolina that's where the headquarters are however you don't have to be in South Carolina to do for him to do your taxes he'll do your taxes wherever you are

so anybody else I would also say BWT he's like basically there to help you navigate the red tape of which is the government. You own a bunch of businesses. You have brick and mortal retails. You have an online business where you do outfitting in Wyoming, you know, plus you have your drywall business. So you got you got business going to Wyoming.

You got business going in Texas. You got, you got, you know, county tax to pay. And it's like, man, I'm just trying to make a living. I don't want to navigate all this tax law. and BW Tax, that's kind of actually his bread and butter, so to speak, of, hey, Justin, you focus on making the next dollar and I'll focus on how to keep it in your pocket. And so, like, it's a real dude that kind of helps you with that. Jeff.

Yeah, the last little bit we'll give you about BW. It's a, you know, he's a small business, which I'm sure you can appreciate owning a few businesses yourself. But he's there for you. Whenever you need to call him up on the phone, you got a question about something with your return or does he need to get this type of form for him to work with you? So you can call him.

He'll pick up the phone, right? It's not going to send you to some robot answering machine system or, you know, send you to, oh, no, you need to go to our website and talk to some AI chatbot. It's a real human being that you'll get to talk to. you know, ask your questions, and he'll get you good, solid answers. Now, verified.

I called him on vacation and he picked up. Yeah. Kind of like when you call the strength code, Justin, and you get me and you're like, like, you're like, brother, if you're going to have kettlebells in two weeks, I'll just wait until you have kettlebells.

Yeah. You know, it's like, which I'm still, Bob's still waiting, Grant, by the way. I mean, it's no big deal. They'll be,

as we say, Wichita Falls, they'll be up Monday. They'll be up Monday. Monday. Is that with a you or? With me. They'll be up on my store money.

Okay. All right. BW. Tax, feel like you can give us an ad read? So you want me, just so I'm clear, you want me to take the information you gave me,

put an ad read together for this BW. Tax, just anything I want. Yes. You might say something like what I love about BW. Tax and then you just go off the cuff. Okay. The bar is so low here.

Justin. Yeah, you can't lose. Everything's a win. The bar is so low. Okay. All right. So you just let me know when not when, let's see. Three, two, one, action.

Yes, if you're looking for a place to handle all your tax needs, and I'm talking from Wyoming to Texas, from California to South Carolina, baby we got you right here at VW tax. We can handle it. You don't have to come to us, and I've got my phone fear you right here, 1,800, 444, 6,000. You can call me. I answer the phone.

I'll take you. I'll keep the money in your pocket, baby. Oh, man. That's the first one done as first person, BW. Taxis. That's really good. That was exactly the idea, Justin. Exactly.

That's so good. Justin, you're a businessman. I don't think I'm shopping for Adam and Eve right now, but I might be in the future. If you wanted to direct people somewhere, where would you want them to find you? Maybe you wanted them to see your lifting videos. Maybe you want to go to your outfitting.

Where should people look you up? Personally, my cell phone. That's the best place to get a hold of me. I'll be honest. I don't have a lot of lifting videos. I mean, I just, I lift solo, you know, 99% of the time because I like lifting solo and I'm very motivated for myself and I'm always pushing myself to do more. but in terms of outfitting,

not that I'm a lifting coach by any means, I'm always happy to help, but I would like to learn, continue to learn and improve. But my cell phone honestly is the best, you know, if you guys want anything, we'll ship it,

or I can direct you to our websites. Yeah, what's your outfitting website? Because people probably will want to look up your hunting stuff. The best thing to do is to message us. I mean, you can go to Ishwa Outfitters.com or you can look us up on Facebook as well. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. And then, I mean, my cell phone is on all of that information. And so they're welcome to anybody can reach out. They have questions, me or my partner, either one. And for the listeners, that's I-S-H-A-W-O-O-A-Outfitters.com. issue outfitters.com Justin, we'll put your link in the show notes and then people can text you from there.

Sure. Brother, it's been great to have you on. I feel like I know you. And in May, I'm going to be at your house, deadlifting weights and hanging out. I'll be waiting. I'll put on a few of these street co plates for you and see if you recognize them or not.

They might have a little chalk on them, but you know. That's all right. All right, yeah. Thanks for coming on, man. And this will air Friday at 9, and we appreciate it, man. If you would do me a favor, would you shoot me a link to where this is going to air just so I have a... Or you can shoot me a copy or whatever, but... Yeah, no, hey, I want to say thank you guys for taking the time to let me join your crew.

And I had a blast. Hell yeah. Hopefully we get to do this again about other stuff. Yeah. We'll talk to the next time. Yeah. I love it. All right, Justin.

Appreciate it, man. Yeah, you bet you guys have a great man. Let's see you. Good. Dude. Good dude. Good dude. Yeah, that was fun.

Texan right there. I loved it. I love that you sniffed out that East Texas accent. And I was like, oh, Tray. Tray is like, you're not from which you're talking. Falls. Where are you from?

That accent. We're texting you from. I'm lining up with my fine. To text in here. Hey, boy, that'll sound like Wichita Falls to me.

That dog ain't going to hunt. No. Good dude. Good dude. Tough to do against tall grass. Oh, tell you what. Auburn.

Auburn. Auburn. Yeah, we got to get a couple. Auburn. Auburn. Auburn. Dude, they had some massive elk on that website. Dude, dude.

That guy's website. So all jokes aside, I don't know. It doesn't sound like he's taking new clients. He's booked through 2028. Yeah. But I went to his website and was like, oh, my God. Yeah. They are slaying animals, crushing animals.

Monsters. And I love the aesthetic of the website. like none of the photos were polished there's literally and this isn't trash six talking there's like trash in the background right like everything i would do in my barbell gym to like make sure everything looks good it's just like hey bro you come up here you sleep in this tent and you kill animals and that's what we do it's good good stuff good stuff all right well let's take it to a few uh other topics yeah i guess we should start the show Trade?

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what we've been doing. What do we even? I don't know. I don't know. Let's talk Olympics. Let's talk Olympics. America.

Truck. Yeah. Great stuff. Great stuff. Big wins. Men's women's hockey. Over Canada. Both in overtime.

I mean, just epic. Epic. Pretty great. I don't know that it gets better than that, honestly. first time since 1980, great hockey. That surprised me. I guess I hadn't realized it was like, oh, yeah, we haven't won this thing since 1980. I was aware, but I think I did come to a new level of realization of how long that's been.

Yeah. I will say I'm on a chat with Troy Campbell, Sr. last week's episode of the podcast, which, by the way, to everyone that's commented that you appreciated the hockey talk, we appreciate you. Troy Campbellson, you got a lot of comments. And I'm on a chat with him and his son. And when we went to the break between the third period and overtime, he texted Jack Hughes for the winning goal.

And he called it. He knows his hockey. And the guy knows his hockey guy. He knows his hockey guy. You know, what can say? Do you see like all the connections? between like the in 1980 so like the last guy to get cut from that team was jack use oh i didn't see that no i didn't see that one yeah my my my my feet is full of NBA players complaining about a jammed

finger and then jack he was losing two teeth and coming out and scoring the gold medal that's my feet so yeah there were a lot of those it's pretty good pretty good i really love the clip where that's the Canadian hockey players they get their medals and then it's like them handing like the little stuffed animals and they're like those be like the beanie babies thank you thank you this is

just what I was hoping to get after a crushing loss thank you thanks for coming here's a stuffed animal uh classic classic Olympics uh man yeah good stuff good stuff dude that was fun

because it was on So I caught the first period. We were up one nothing and then we went to church. And then it was just funny like looking around church, like everybody like sneaking it on their phones. I love that. So my favorite thing about that, so I actually do like hockey and I realize that a lot of,

I wouldn't say a lot of sports fans. I would say where Jeff and I are from and you, Trey, like in the South, which I also thought was interesting that Justin thought the South was Texas. He said, south and then it was like east coast and i'm like brother we won't correct the but that we won't get on that right now but uh you know a lot of southeastern don't like hockey but what's fun about the olympics same thing like i don't follow swimming but when michael phelps was just

racking up gold medals like there was nothing i cared about more and it was fun i was also in new jersey with marines and new jersey marines do care about hockey plus jack hughes from the devils so it was a big day for New Jersey, which is good because I can't think of any other big days for them. But like, yeah, we got pizza. And anyway, but it is fun that when it's like the Olympics, it's like America. Yeah. And like nothing else matters. And honestly, if you don't like that, don't listen to this podcast.

Yeah. You're not listening anyway. You're not excited about America. just like kicking Canada's ass. You suck. That was awesome. That was phenomenal. Even if you don't know anything about hockey,

like that was just great. It was good. It was good. I do have to give a quick little tidbit before you go on three. My buddy had his yellow ribbon event, which is like the Department of War close out of deployment so they can bring family members. And I'm going through and I'm trying to. to shake every Marine's hand and like say something to their parents.

And I get this happened on two occasions. I'll tell the first, but I get to one table. And it's Corporal Moreno, Stud, 3531 Motor T operator. Phenomenal Marine did a great job. And, you know, my, my classic is like, shake the Marines hand. He's like, you know, sir, good to see you. I hadn't seen you in two months, you know, whatever. And then I look and then I make the detain't.

It's either girlfriend, wife, or mother. And sometimes it's clear, sometimes it's not clear, and I did mess it up a few times. In which case, I would just say, hey, sister, how are we doing? But I'm like, mom. And I actually recognized her because she came to see her son off. There's a yellow ribbon before you leave to deploy as well. And I actually recognize, I was like, mom, she said, yeah. she said, I listen to the okay podcast, the whole deployment.

And I said, oh, okay. Okay. And she goes, powered by the strength co. And I said, yeah. And she goes, yeah, I like found it and was like, oh, if my command, if my son's buddies, if my sons. How does she say it? She said it very well. She said, if my son's commander is the buddy of the podcast host,

maybe I can get some insider information. And I was like, well, do you still listen? She's like, no. As soon as he came home, I stopped listening. I was like, oh, wow. We saw that damp. Yeah. All the moms and trust.

Turns out it's not just Grant's mom. It's other kids' moms. But she was, yes, she moved her okay and a powered by the Stranko. And I was amazing. So caught off guard. Like I was not ready for that. So. I would have been like,

excuse me? Yeah, Cropo Moreno's mom. If you DM the OK podcast somewhere, your address, I'll send you a t-shirt. So do that. That's good.

That's good. Now, and you're on next week as a guest. I mean, that was my initial thought was like, so you want to come on the pod? We're in an hour and We are.

Do we have any save rounds? There was, I mean, we might go down a rabbit hole, but Trey's supposition that if we dropped everything and just practiced curling, like, could we, could we be? 100%. No. That's the one sport. That's the one event. I feel like pretty confident. No.

No. See, you say that. No. The, I think, on the girls. there was a dentist. She's a full-time mom, a dentist, and she curls on the side, and she's in the Olympics. Yeah, like, no one does this professionally.

And I go, I go, if we drop everything, get funded by somebody. Maybe if we get powered by the strength co. I don't know. Could we get powered by the strength go? I vote. Pick up. I don't know. Pick up.

Who'd be a good fourth, Donnie? Donnie Bowers. BW. Tacks. BW. BW. Tacks, yeah. Yeah.

That's who's funding it. Yeah. Yeah. BW. If you're listening, which we're pretty sure you are. I'm pretty sure he's not. Dang. Dang.

You never know. Eastnakes one in every now. Yeah, every now then. Yeah. He's too busy being a warm body. It is his big time. Yeah. Answering the phone.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a time of here. Well, I'm curious. Why you think you know the answer and we could ask him. I think that is true. Tat Nicoloskill there that we don't even know. We could try and call him.

He did say last time we should have called. Man, it's, it's 10 p.m. on commie time. It's like zero two over there. I'm not calling. I won't do that to his wife. I don't know. Come on starting a show sometime. We could put 2034 on our radar.

That's the Salt Lake City. Ah, geez. Grands Bean. What's the technical aspect of it? just like curling it one way versus crawling. I don't know anything about curling. I just know that if you want to be an Olympian, you've got to be way better than I am.

I think I would, yeah, but I can't get in that position. I'm pretty sure to like start the thing. I wouldn't know how to, I wouldn't know how to cheat like the Canadians or whoever it was. Do you have a difference between Swedes and Swiss? Yes. Yeah, there's, yeah, Sweden and Switzerland. I feel like that's fake.

That's the same thing. There was a West Texas. Yeah, you're right. There was a, there was an AI, like, video of, it was the Canadian hockey team. And it was that Canadian curling guy. And he was, like, doing the finger thing on the puck to, like, push it into the goal. I'm like, dude, all around the best. And then they all got Beanie babies at the end.

So, I mean, that's all that really matters. That's why you go to the Olympics. Get that. They much that Beanie babies worse. Jeff, can Tray take this thing down for landing? Let's do it. Let's do it. Trey. All right.

I in legitimately asking this time, what? 098. 098 of the Okay. Podcast as always. Actually, no, not as always. We'd like to thank our guest tonight, Justin. Good dude.

Great dude. Flirting with great dude, for sure. Really cool hunting outfit. it, really cool stories. I love talking, lifting with him. If you're in Wichita Falls, sounds like you can stay at his guest house. So,

that was nice to him for opening that up. To everybody. To everybody. Yes, that's what I got. His phone number is readily available. And you stay at his guest house. I was like, don't say your phone number. Please don't say it.

Just go to the website and find the phone number. Don't get your phone number. But no, good dude. I'm glad he was on. Good talk to him. So, as always, like, think our sponsors BW Tax, good guy better at taxes. Tax season's coming up quick.

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