The President's Daily Brief - BONUS CONTENT: Mike Baker & Jillian Michaels

Episode Date: December 14, 2025

Mike Baker sits down with Jillian Michaels on her podcast Keeping It Real. A wide range of topics were discussed including everyone's favorite topic - Jeffrey Epstein. How did he acquire so much influence power over our elected leaders? Who were his connections? And what was his real relationships like with the global elite? All that and more on this special edition of The President's Daily Brief. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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with some bonus content for you, because after all, it is the gift-giving holiday season. Well, have I got a gift for you? Look, recently I've had the chance to sit down with the great Jillian Michaels on her excellent podcast called Keeping It Real. Now, happily, Jillian didn't put me through one of her famously tough fitness workouts, but it was a mental workout, as she asked a whole series of smart, thoughtful questions on some very serious topics. In this portion of our conversation, we focus on Jeffrey Epstein, yeah, him. how he built his influence, the shadowy network around him, and the unanswered questions about just how far his reach really went into politics and power.

So, here's my conversation with Jillian Michaels. Mike, how are you? Doing good, doing very well. Thank you very much. And appreciate the opportunity to catch up. Oh, my gosh. You're so kind for joining me. I got a lot on the docket for you today, from Venezuela and narco-terrorism to what Trump is doing in Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

Gaza and the ceasefire. What do we do about Iran? I cannot help but begin with Epstein. So I'm sure you're sure you expected this. You know, I just recently heard of him too. I want to start out by reading you what the average person is hearing about this guy and why the average person, of course I'm referencing myself here, can't help but think there's a lot of nefarious stuff going on. So I want to read you this list and then I just just weigh in. Tell me what I'm getting right, what I'm getting wrong and what we can make of the things that are actually true. So first thing you've got is Jiselaan Maxwell's father is Robert Maxwell, who had confirmed intelligence ties to Mossad, true or false?

Yeah, you know, it depends on what you mean by confirmed intelligence ties. Like there's this, everything from recruited asset to cooperative contact, to, you know, unwitting, you know, provider of information or insight. There's a range here. And so typically when somebody says, oh, he's, you know, confirmed ties, you got to start defining what does that mean. I don't know what Robert Maxwell's specific connections meant in terms of his ties to Mosside, but there's no doubt that, you know, that there were linkages. I just don't know it would be speculation to say to what degree, right? Was he, but did Maasad itself, right, as an Intel service, because that's what you do.

You categorize these people, right? So if it's a CIA, for example, you would say, okay, this individual is a recruited asset. That means you can task them. You can say, here's what we want to know. You go out and get that information from your contacts because, you know, I've recruited the, deputy foreign minister of a country. Now he's a recruited asset. He's on the hook, right? So I don't have to beat around the Bush. I can tell him I need the following information. There's the cooperative contact where, okay, you know, he's not disinclined to chat with me, but I can't

direct him. I can't task him, right? I can talk to him. And if I phrase my conversations correctly, right, he may either wittingly or unwittingly provide me with the insight that I'm looking for. You know, And then there's just the occasional contact that, you know, you kind of refer to them as a source, but they're not taskable, they're not controllable, they're not recruited. And so maybe, you know, you're hoping that one day you can strengthen that relationship and turn it in the direction of something that's more taskable. So that's a long-winded way of saying people have to be careful when they start talking about these things because there's more complexity to it than just, and there's a lot of folks out there

that just, it's all, everything for them is black and white. right so i'm just trying to be a little bit more nuanced i suppose that's what that's exactly what i'm wanting to know uh from you that's exactly why you're the expert here you talk about these different levels of recruited recruiting someone and being able to utilize them why would they cooperate and then it kind of leads me to the question of is that actually what epstein was supposed to be doing in jumping ahead presuming He was an asset of some intelligence agency. Would his gig be gain leverage to make them taskable,

whoever he has gotten access to? Well, yeah, I've had this conversation before. I remember I was talking with Joe Rogan one time about this. And, you know, I just got pilloried by one, like, slice of society that they're all, they've got this unwarranted confidence that they know everything that's going on, right? So they say, well, of course, Epstein was a, you know, recruited asset of Mossad. Well, okay, A, you don't know that. B, maybe he was.

But, you know, just going out there and saying black or white, this is what it was, this is what it was. And who knows? And the emails that have been released so far still don't really clarify much. Yeah, there's nothing confirmed. Zero. I have a whole list of everything that is not. confirmed, as I jump ahead here, no government has ever confirmed Epstein was CIA, Mossad, M16, or an intelligence agent. No declassified document identifies Epstein as an

intelligence operative. No proven evidence that he ran an official honey trap operation for any government. No proof intelligence agencies directed or intervened in his 2008 plea deal. No documentation that financial structures prove espionage activity. And no confirmed evidence that Jisland Maxwell herself was an intelligence officer. Right. And yet, if I were, what I would say is this. Look, if I, you know, if I saw Jeffrey Epstein, he was a collector of people, right? And so either he did that because there are people out there, right, that love to be close to people of importance.

It makes them feel important. And then they start portraying themselves as movers and shakers. And that's, and that's, so, you know, again, carving this out and saying, okay, it could be one scenario. or another. I'm not saying which one it likely is because we don't have that evidence yet, right? But if I'm an intel service, and I've said this before, if I'm an Intel service, Jeffrey Epstein is a real person of interest, right? Would I want him as a recruited asset? Well, sure, because why? Because he's collected all these interesting people around him, right? Both in diplomatic circles and finance circles, government, media. All these people, from my perspective,

some of them are probably people that I would like to know what the hell they're doing. Right. So if I'm Assad or I'm the agency or I'm anybody, right, as an Intel service, Epstein's going to be the sort of guy I'm going to look at, right? So all we can do is look at the gnomes here, which are coming out from the emails, and hopefully they just go ahead and release everything. I don't think they will because they're not going to release things where there's an active investigation.

But you look at and just go, sure, he had a lot of contact with Ehud Barak as an example, right? Well, yeah, and what did he do? Well, he had intelligence responsibilities there in Israel and IDF responsibilities. And if, you know, so unless Ehud Barak was just in touch with Epstein for his own prurient interests because of Epstein's, you know, abuse and trafficking of young women, then, you know, maybe was there something more. Well, again, I can only go by what I would do if I was an Intel officer and Epstein crossed my path. I'd say, damn it, you know a lot of interesting people. Yeah, I'm going to push this relationship and see what this is all about. Right. Or maybe one day, all you are is an unwitting

contact because you have this desire to surround yourself with people of interest. And there are a lot of people like that in financial circles who love to pal around with the elite in society. So that's not unusual by itself. But again, you know, would an Intel service be interested in them? Sure. Would Epstein be a recruited asset or just an unwitting contact or a winning, you know, a source? You know, who knows? But there's a range there of possibilities.

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Ahud Barak, who you mentioned. Lawrence Summers, everyone's talking about former U.S. Treasury Secretary. Like, he, these are strange people that, are you going to drop William Burns name at a party. I know a lot of these billionaires and they name drop just the way you're talking about. Oh, and you know, Bill and Hillary this and Barack and Michelle that. And I understand all of that, but I very rarely hear I was hanging out with Catherine Rumler the other day. And this is where you're just like, okay. Yeah, but in certain circles, that's got a lot of, a lot of weight. Look, in Washington, D.C., if you're carrying the bags, even, if you're the bag toadie for,

you know, some senior government official, you're an important person in Washington, D.C. somebody goes, oh, it's got FaceTime with, you know, whoever it is. So suddenly you're important. And look, people, fraudsters, I will say this, you know, I've got a company that does an awful lot of fraud investigations. Fraudsters, scammers, they have certain indicators. They do certain things over and over again. And one of them is using entree from one person to get credibility with somebody else that they're looking at or targeting or want to talk to or want to have pulled into their orbit, right? Of course.

My business partner does it in business all the time. He's like, okay, this guy knows this guy. And if I let this guy know that I know this guy, it's going to give me like I've been pre-approved over here. I watch you utilize that strategy. And nobody's doing their due diligence, right? Nobody's doing their due diligence because, hey, it was like the, you know, it was like the crypto scam, right?

Suddenly you had people like Tom Brady promoting crypto. And then other people are going, well, I got to get on board because, you know, I don't want to miss this train. And so I'm going to use somebody who, you know, for whatever reason, is willing to vouch for me to gain credibility to this person who is not going to do any due diligence on me. Look, a lot of people were dealing with Epstein after he was already known to be, you know, a sex effect. And you would think that would be enough of a red flag to say, eh, you know what, I'm not going to go to his party. Or let's not have him come over to the office to me. But that didn't happen because other powerful or perceived as powerful people were vouching for him. And he was using that to roll through and collect all these various people in his orbit.

Mike, what about this? This is super weird, right? The guy never graduates from college. But he ends up working at Dalton, which is where like the most elite family. send their kids to school, high school. It's run by Donald Barr who apparently used to work,

used to run the OSS, which was a precursor to the CIA. I think I loosely understand that connection. I'll let you clarify that for me. And he hires this guy who's not qualified to work at Dalton to teach math and physics. And through that connection,

a parent who sends their kids to Dalton hires him of Bear Stearns. Yeah. Weird. Not weird. Not really. Again, I, you know, on the surface, it sounds very bizarre. Yeah.

But I've been, you know, between a couple of decades with the agency and more than a couple of decades running an investigations and security services firm, you see a lot. And so that sort of activity, again, I put that down to those. Those are certain traits that fraudsters and scam artists typically do, right? They're inflating their CV. They're getting a door open and then using that to push their way through and get to a position. Because, again, people, for the most part, and this is where I think society is really going to fall down, right? because we're moving into this fast-paced world of AI, which is just accelerating the problem

of disinformation and misinformation. People are not naturally cynical, skeptical, curious, inquisitive, or they just don't have the time to be, right? And so Epstein fed off of that human trait. And he knew that people weren't, once he got to a certain position, people weren't checking, you know, You would think they would, particularly after his conviction. Yeah. But it just doesn't happen that way. So you see people rising way beyond where you think they should be because they're living off of some very shaky foundations and lies that they've told and they've been able to scam somebody and that person's vouch for them. And then it just keeps on going.

What about this piece? So 2008, you've got this guy. He's convicted of having sex with minors and I believe running some sort of a problem. prostitution ring involving these minors. And he does like no jail time. And he's allowed to leave for 10 hours every single day. And there's a rumor. I guess it hasn't been confirmed that when Alex Acosta was being vetted during his, I guess,

joining of the Trump transition team in 2016 and he was the guy going after Epstein in 2008, he basically apparently said, I was told. to stay away from Epstein. He's above my pay grade and made some sort of implication he was told. Like, Epstein's one of ours. Back off. Again, now, not confirmed.

As far as I can, couldn't find anything that said it was confirmed. That he said that. Having said that, though, he did get, Epstein got no penalty, no. Mike, like, this is where I keep, just keep looking at this going. I hate going down the rabbit

whole because we've all become so vulnerable to these conspiracy theories after COVID that at some point I feel like I'm wrapping myself in tinfoil and waiting for the mothership to land outside. But this just like I'm like Jill come back to earth and let's deal with reality. We don't know. Nothing's confirmed. But when you look at something like that, it's just so friggin bizarre. And they just keep adding up. Like what would be any other reasoning for this guy walking pretty much with that kind of conviction in 2008? well even by 2008 he had developed quite the cadre of of wealthy influential individuals and he had probably co-opted some of them or felt that look you know you kind of owe me right for whatever reason

that's probably how some of them felt right so i think you had people because you did have people you know pressuring and pushing on his behalf i think that um you know in a normal world, you think that's, that's crazy. Why would you, why would you maintain your ties with somebody that's, that's now in this position? So, you know, it's not speculation, but it's not, you know, uninformed speculation that you could say, yeah, these people felt some form of obligation beyond just, well, sure like Jeffrey. We had some great, great dinners together, you know, or he made me some money, right? So now I feel like I've got to vouch for a convicted sex effect. That doesn't make a lot of sense. So I would assume that part of what Epstein was doing,

you know, he was not, I guess is that he was probably looking at every opportunity to gain leverage on all these various individuals who he was drawing into his orbit. And that then served him pretty well it looks like because you're right he did almost no time it wasn't really even time half half of every 24 hour day he was allowed to to walk so okay you mentioned leverage right and now we're all hearing about i think it's like stacey platnik who's a congresswoman out of the virgin islands i didn't even forgive my ignorance i didn't even know they had congress people with virgin i was like oh I guess so, yeah, that's part of that. Sure. And it comes out that she's texting with Epstein to get information on Trump while Michael Cohen is testifying.

And I'm thinking, as we all are, hold on a second. This guy's got dirt that you're going to use against Trump. So there's clearly the leverage there. He was a collector of compromising material. Just so he would be a sicker? I mean, they were texting back and forth during Michael Cohen's, you know, testimony and in questions that Epstein was suggesting be asked, did then end up getting asked. Right.

Is this normal? No, I wouldn't think it would be. We don't necessarily have normal times. You know, Washington, D.C. is a very dysfunctional place now. But look, you know, the author Michael Wolfe was, you know, he's neck deep in. in these emails and texts with Epstein, offering up suggestions, you know. And look, Wolf is making money off of writing about Trump.

So that's all self-interest to, you know, work with Epstein and try to provide him with advice and guide. Who the hell would be providing Epstein with advice and guidance? But there you have it. So it is, you know, which again, it all kind of circles back to why people are just so fascinated with this. I would argue that, you know, the Trump administration,

the first thing they should have done was release, everything. It's just as transparent as possible. Just say, again, if you've got an ongoing investigation, clearly from a law enforcement perspective, you have to redact that. The problem sometimes can be they throw out a big net in terms of what they're going to redact, right? So, you're never really sure whether all of that information. It's that classification. We tend to over classify everything, right? But I would have thought that some strategist in the White House, Trump administration would have been smart enough to say, you know what, let's just release everything. You know, but it turned out to be a bit of a self-inflicted well, but it's a self-inflicted

wound for everybody. It's the Democrats, it's Republicans, because Epstein didn't care. Right. He wanted to just pull everybody in that he thought could benefit him in some fashion or that he could gain influence or leverage over. So Mike Johnson said that releasing the files without redaction could pose. a national security risk. And it's like, well, what the heck would that be? And then he said that Epstein disclosures have to be limited

so we don't do permanent damage to the political system. Again, what the heck? And then I guess he let it slip and then kind of pulled it back. And I actually watched this clip I can even insert it. It's so hard to believe that Trump once acted as an FBI informant in connection with Epstein, which has not. been independently confirmed and he's like no no i didn't really mean it and it's like okay all right let's presume that this guy is intelligence and he's got compromising material on everybody i mean he's

connected to friggin everybody in one way or another whether it's bill clinton somehow donald trump somehow Barack Obama bill gate i mean the list is so extensive it's insane and i'm an intelligence agency. What in the world am I doing with that compromising material, Mike? Like, like, if we, again, let's go tinfoil hat. What am I doing if I have dirt on the leader of the free world? What am I leveraging? Now's the time to save on new carpet at the Home Depot. Receive 10% off your total carpet project and 12 months special financing. Plus, we'll measure your space for free. Choose from a variety of stylish, on-trend options fit for everyday life with life-proof, Lifeproof with petproof technology, home decorators collection, and traffic master carcets.

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but you certainly would want that information. What? And again, look, if I'm, if I'm, pick a service, right, the FSB, the, you know, Chinese Intel, Massad, agency, UK service, it doesn't matter. Pick any Intel service that's got resources and the abilities. And, you know, they look. What are they doing? They're looking for targets of opportunity.

They're looking for interest. If you see, I keep going back to the same thing. If you see somebody like Epstein who's got this big. orbit, was able to get in front of people. And Epstein himself is promoting this, right? The emails show that he was trying to posture himself, position himself as this guy who could talk to foreign authorities, whether it's the Russians, he offered to the Russians said, I can talk to Sergey Lavrov, you know, and provide insight into how Donald Trump thinks. Because, you know, even though they didn't have a relationship at that point, I know Donald Trump, you know, because I had a relationship

with him at one point. So he's putting himself in that position. If you're an intel service, you're going to look at that guy and go to get, yes, I'm going to do what I can to try to, and again, in an ideal world, he's a recruited asset, right? Would Epstein have put himself in that position? Who knows? I don't know. But, you know, at worst, he's an unwitting source that you develop a relationship with, so you've got, you know, one or more of your people bumped up against him, and you can, you know, reach in and out and find and then, you know, his contacts, maybe then you target those contacts directly, and at some point you benefit from that. So, yeah, I mean, that's, that's all I can, I'd be speculating if I said, and that's where I do love, I do love social media. I do love

the world of social media experts because there are people out there. Yeah, you, God damn it, no, he was definitely working for a son. You know, and you're thinking, okay, well, well, you know, Well, good luck, Spanky. I have no idea how you have so much confidence in your opinion based on no experience. You know, could be a variety of them. And again, he had definite contacts with people who would have looked at him and thought, yeah, he'd make a really interesting contact. You know, Intel services go after much less interesting individuals for targeting and recruitment. Believe me, some of them you look at and go, why would you even waste your time?

time. But, you know, they do it because maybe one day it will turn into something valuable. You know, I think it becomes a chicken and an egg conversation for people. And what I mean by that is Zebstein, a creep and a pervert who got compromising material for his own ego and to gain power and influence, or was he a manufactured individual who set up this, I guess, honey trap, a pito ring to go, okay, this is all going to be structured. What is something? What is something nobody can come back from. You know, these kinds of crimes against young kids, it's just disgusting.

Yeah, if that was the case, I would think, I mean, look, you know, are honeypots, honey traps, a thing? Sure, they are, of course, yeah, they've been there since, you know, somebody invented espionage. If what he was doing was, I'm setting up this whole trafficking thing at the behest of an Intel survey.

Yeah, that's what people think. That would be really, that would be really, would be very sloppy trade craft, right? Because he's a convicted sex offender. He's, you know, he wasn't hiding it necessarily, right? People were talking about this for years, right? But and now everybody's expressing outrage. It's like some of the Me Too people. People who were like just, you know, caught and castrated during the Me Too movement, people knew about their behavior for years. But it just, it didn't serve their purpose to complain about it at the time. it got enough of a head of steam that people suddenly could say, well, I'm outraged by this,

which I've known about for years. Right. So, you know, it's that that would be my take on it. It would be you would, if you were going to do it, you would have done it if it was a professional intel service and a much more. Fashion and discreet and clandestine fashion. That helps a ton. Because I think people feel like, oh my God, if our intelligence are willing to sacrifice children at the altar of, you know, geopolitical power. What does the world come to you?

But it didn't even occur to me that it would be sloppy SpyCraft because I have no idea what that would even look like. And that maybe, that's probably one of my shortcomings. I look at things from an operational perspective because my wheelhouse is not necessarily, you know, some grand geopolitical, you know, or political, you know, strategic thing. But I can't say from an operational,

perspective, he'd be a target of interest for absolute short. And also, you probably wouldn't, I mean, you know, you'd be a lot more circumspect in how if you were going to do something like, and it's also just an awful, you know, I, you know, you wouldn't, he was, look, he was a horrible person who was engaged in horrible activity. And, you know, frankly, deserve to die. however he's still not quite clear. But I think, you know, I think he, if he was an intelligence asset, it's because he fell into or onto the radar, right? Yep. At a certain point.

And like I said, I would have, you know, worked to recruit the hell out of him because I would want to know everybody in his Rolodex. Of course. And, you know, but, you know, what you'd be looking for would be, you'd be looking for those international contacts, right? Yeah. You know, okay, what? He's got contact with some Russians? Huh.

Who's he dealing with? Right. He's got contact with a Chinese financier. Okay, who is that? Right. Those are the targets I'm really interested in, but I'm using him to get to those individuals. Again, that's, if we're just talking operational strategy, that's where you would have gone with it.

Of course. You know, the one conclusion that I did. arrive at is why go through all the hoopla? If he was intelligence and you wanted him gone, why put him in jail with two security guards? Like, it obviously is a very bizarre thing that he had two guards on him and nobody caught in and the one guy supposedly fell, whatever. But I imagine if you were intelligence, you could have just taken him out. Night night, could you poison the underwear like Putin? I mean, like, Micah, I'm just thinking. Yeah, you put some polonium in his tea or he never makes it to, you know, on a flight to his island or, right?

Whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Plain problems? I mean, why? Why? That's the one thing that, you know, I didn't, as mentioned, I didn't, it didn't stop to think about how if I was CIA or Massad or M.I.

Whatever the heck, I would set up a honey trap operation. But I did think this is a hell of a long walk to get a ham sandwich. Like, why not just take the guy out? Yeah. And the other thing about it is sometimes, this is maybe it's apropos of nothing, but it kind speaks to all the like the armchair quarterbacks on social media who sit and know everything that's going on and you know sometimes you know the the truth is that an intel service honestly couldn't organize panic in a doomed submarine right regardless of which intel service you're

talking about right they and by that i mean it's oversimplifying but i just mean that sometimes intel services are given a lot more credit than they show because of you know we're all used to films and Beach books and we assume that they can they're all knowing all powerful. They're human run organizations and, you know, sometimes they've got their limitations. So, you know, it is interesting. But yeah, Epstein is the Epstein problem going away? No, because it serves a political purpose too, you know. So we're going to be talking about this for quite some time because until it becomes

something that one side of the other in Washington, D.C. can't beat the other with, right? it's going to be a thing. Yeah, that's what I get to the end of this road. And none of this is about the victims anymore. It's being weaponized by both sides who both have skin in the game. So I can't really wrap my head around that. You know, we've all seen the clip of Stephen A. Smith pointing out very passionately that Democrats had four years to release.

These files didn't do it. Trump ran on it. He began the whole conversation in 2016 on stage with Hannity, implying that Clinton was going to go down. because of it. And you're, it's like, what, you guys are absolute idiots on both sides. Where does this go? Mike, what do you think we walk away from when all is said and done? And do you think we will have ever gotten to the bottom of it? Will there be a sacrificial lamb? Is no one going to go down? Is it like Kennedy? Nothing ever comes out. Yeah. No, I think it's, look, I'm probably the wrong person to ask. I'm very cynical about what

happens in Washington, D.C. It's the city where investigations go to die. So I think, I think, But look, we'll get a bunch of files released, a lot of redactions because of legitimate reasons for active investigations or because of the victims were minors. You've got to protect some of those identities. And so I think there will be redactions that will piss people off. But at the end of the day, like I said, I think if once it becomes something that's not viewed as a potential. two by four to hit the other political party over the head with i think it just goes away at some point um and we all get focused on something else we have our time multitasking it's not the way it should be right it should be uh that you know you'd have a serious investigation and you know the

cards fall where they fall and there are consequences but there typically aren't consequences is for bad behavior when it comes to Washington. I can see why you would be cynical. Well, that was my conversation with Jillian Michaels on Keeping It Real. Now, I'll be sharing additional portions of our discussion on other topics here on the PDP feed in the coming days. If you enjoyed the conversation, I'd encourage you, please, check out and subscribe to Keeping It Real with Jillian Michaels. Each week, she brings on terrific, interesting guests, well, okay, and me, and covers a wide range of topics with a no-nonsense of approach. So, thanks for listening, and as always, hey, stay informed. Stay safe. Stay cool.

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