The President's Daily Brief - The PDB Presents | The Megyn Kelly Show with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson

Episode Date: April 22, 2024

Today we'd like to direct your attention to another podcast, the Megyn Kelly show. Megyn Kelly is joined by Emily Jashinsky, host of "The Federalist Radio Hour," and Eliana Johnson, editor of the Washington Free Beacon, to discuss former National Enquirer head David Pecker taking the stand as the first witness in the Trump Trial, what was said in the opening statements by prosecution and defense, the absurd accusations of election interference, claims that Trump is passing gas in court, the ridiculous media coverage of the trial, antisemitic demonstrations on Columbia University's campus, protests crossing from civil disobedience to harassment and violence, Ilhan Omar’s daughter speaking to MSNBC about her suspension from Barnard College over anti-Israel protesting, her splashy profile in Teen Vogue, the Biden Administration's new Title IX rules that will hurt biological girls and women, biological men in women's bathrooms at schools now national policy in America, and more. Subscribe to The Megyn Kelly Show.  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0awxEJH88Xur0GHXuteBLw?si=UYTJl1P6TQippmzAu3f69g&nd=1 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-megyn-kelly-show/id1532976305 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey everyone, Mike Baker here. Today, we're mixing things up a bit. I'm excited to introduce listeners of the President's Daily Brief to another must-listen podcast, the Megan Kelly Show, hosted by the one and only, you guessed it, Megan Kelly. Now, as most of you already know, Megan is a world-renowned journalist,

who made a name for herself interviewing some of the most interesting political, legal, and cultural figures in the world. She's always been known for being open, honest, and, well, frankly, at times, more than a little provocative. Now, she's bringing her journalistic experience, energy, and insight every day to her own podcast, The Megan Kelly Show. Give it a listen, and if you enjoy it, remember, you can subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.

And now, I'm very pleased to say, here's Megan Kelly. Welcome to The Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 11 every weekday at New East. Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show. Former President Donald Trump is back in court today. This is it. and potentially our first witness. An abbreviated day, though, so far, because one of the jurors had a toothache.

So court is expected to adjourn early today so that the person can get to the dentist. I mean, we've all been there. It's tough to function in the face of an aching tooth. But we've got opening statements underway right now, and of course the media is back. They're back to their bizarre reporting about their favorite target,

including one report about alleged, flatulence in the court. Objection, Your Honor. Objection, flatulence. Just when you think it can't get any stranger or stinkier. Apparently it does. Meanwhile, elsewhere in New York City, oh my gosh, have you been following what's been happening at Columbia and Yale? Don't send your child there. My God, especially if you're Jewish. I mean, if you happen to worry about like your child's safety and he happens to be Jewish, Columbia University is not the place for you. It's now in campus, in chaos on campus, as anti-Jewish protesters are literally attacking students. Even the Biden administration is condemning it, finally, through a spokesperson, not through Joe Biden.

While many in the press try to pretend it's really just not happening, he's not a thing. Don't worry, look over there, nothing to see you here. Joining me now, the EJ's Emily Jishinsky, who is culture editor at the Federalist and host at the Federalist Radio Hour. and Eliana Johnson, who's editor-in-chief at the Washington Free Beacon and co-host of the Inc. Stained Wretches podcast. Ladies, welcome back. All right, let's kick it off with Trump, because that's happening right now,

though there's plenty to get to on these campuses and beyond. Here's the update. They started off the morning ruling on, it's called a Sandoval hearing in New York State. It's a special thing in New York where the judge and the lawyers sit down and they go over what the prosecution will be allowed to confront the defendant with if he takes the stand so that the defense knows exactly how bad it's going to get in terms of his past bad acts, and they can hash it out prosecution and defense attorneys

before the prosecutor tries it. And basically everything is in except for Trump's cheating on a math test back in the fourth grade. It's basically a total green light for every alleged bad act in Trump's past. He can be confronted by the ruling against him in the civil fraud case brought by Letitia James, the $474 million judgment. He can be confronted with the findings of his gag order violations in his civil fraud case, not just this case, in the civil fraud case. He can be confronted with two federal jury's findings that he defamed E. Jean Carroll, not the sexual abuse liability, but the defamation liability. Good luck to the Trump team in trying to explain, or whatever team's going to be charged with this, what he defamed her about. How are they going to get in that he defamed her without without getting into the underlying.

allegation. She said he sexually abused her. He said she's a lunatic. And then she sued him for defamation and one on both. So I think this is a little too cute by half. It's a way of getting a both in, but trying to seem fair because he excluded sexual abuse finding. Trump can also be confronted with his agreement to dissolve the Trump Foundation. The judge said he will allow prosecutors to introduce Donald Trump's infamous access Hollywood tape enforcement. to evidence, not the tape itself, but the transcript. So they can get, grab them by the P-word in there. I mean, so basically, Trump can't testify is the first effective ruling of the day. Because Emily, all he's going to be doing is trying to prove to the jury, I'm not a bad person. There's a reason in

the law we exclude character evidence as a role because you're not trying somebody on whether they're a good person or a bad person. O.J. Simpson seemed like a perfectly nice person when he sat there to be tried for nearly beheading his ex-wife and Ron Goldman. The trial wasn't actually about that. It was about whether there was proof beyond a reasonable doubt about whether he committed this crime. Your character doesn't say whether you did it or didn't. Here in New York, we're going to allow a trial in Donald Trump's character. And he's been in business so long and has been such a colorful character for long enough that he really can't effectively allow that to happen, which means he can't take the stand. But what do you think? Yeah, I mean, I agree with that completely.

seems like such a great use of everyone's time, just going through the annals of Donald Trump's various expressions of his own personal character. I think that will serve the public very well at this point. He has been so shy to reveal his true self up until now, but maybe, maybe, finally they will get to the bottom of it here. I'm also wondering how real this toothache is, because I would honestly, if I were sitting in listening to this, probably, you know, spontaneously have a toothache as well. But, you know, I agree with exactly what you're saying. here. And I think also it's important to remember that this is clearly a tactic. Liz Cheney has an op-ed in the New York Times opinion page today talking about how important this trial is. And you're

starting to see, I think it was Pramilla Jaya Paul said on a Sunday show just yesterday. Something to extent does, you know, we wouldn't have even been here if Donald Trump had just been impeached. So what's also on trial, I think of the tactics of the left here. And the more that we're sort of putting Donald Trump's character on trial after, you know, everybody. has had years and years and years to listen to a trial of Donald Trump's character, the left is going to lose in that sort of court of public opinion ruling. This just in, Peckers Up. Sorry, had to do it.

That was like a New York Post headline. Had to do it. Is it New York Post? I missed that this morning. I got it from Steve Crackauer. No, you should write the New York Post site. Oh, yeah, no, Steve Crackauer should do it. Peckers up.

He's on the stand, David Pecker. I think now former head of AEI, or not AEI, AMI, American Media, which on, actually, they're laughing, AEI, very, very different. They finished the opening state. After Trump got all those negative rulings on what can come in if he takes a stand, they did opening statements, and now the first witness for the prosecution is David Pecker. There's a lot to go over here. Before we get to Pecker, because I know you ladies love Pecker. What? I can't. I can't stop myself. I don't know what you should blame. You're Steve. That one was me. Okay.

The prosecutor, I'm going to give you guys and the audience just an overview of what's being said in opening statements. Just keep in mind as you listen to this, there's a reason they call them opening statements, and then they call what happens at the end, closing arguments. You're allowed to argue the evidence in your closing. the opening statements are supposed to be just statements of what you will be proving in front of them without tying, you know, fantastic conclusions together and stitching a narrative and so on. The opening statements are supposed to be factual and not argument. So this is what the prosecution says they are going to be able to prove prosecutor Matthew Colangelo.

He begins by telling the jury that Trump, and just for the listening audience, there's no audio, there's no video. So this is the only way we can get through this trial. get updates from the court, and then we have to read them to you. That's why I did a dramatic reenactment of the press coverage the other day. Begins by telling the jury Trump lied over and over and over again by disguising his business records. Trump, Michael Cohen, and David Pecker formed a conspiracy at a meeting early in the campaign to help Trump get elected. Colangelo has referred multiple time to this conspiracy between these three men.

For the record, Trump is not, he is not charged with conspiracy. It's just a colorful term to describe they met and reached an agreement about what the National Inquirer and other magazines within the AMI Empire would do when it came to Trump. The New York Times reports, let's see. Okay, they're talking about how the National Inquirer did indeed go on to try to help Trump's campaign in 2016, including by embarrassing some of his opponents like Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. they put up a couple of the headlines, reports the New York Times, Jonah Bromwich, I see one juror, smiling slightly, as Colangelo describes some of those headlines. Remember, they accused Ted Cruz

of his father of participating in the Kennedy assassination. It was a long list. Okay, they say the prosecution, Pecker will testify that $150,000 was more than the National Inquirer would typically pay for such a deal and that Pecker had trouble being reimbursed for the money. Crucially, Colangelo says Pecker will testify that he spoke to Trump about it. Forgive me for not understanding the math on the 150. Stormy, I think, was paid 130. I think they paid 30 to a dormant at Trump Tower. And then there was another, I might have been 150, to Karen McDougal, who is the Playboy playmate. So, you know, what's that? 330 or so all in. Now, critically, they say that David Pecker is going to testify he spoke to Trump about this.

So he's going to put it first person. You know, I can tell you Trump was in on it because this is all the alleged election interference that they claim Trump was up to. Give me a couple of other, giving him one more minute to leave this out. He says he has an audio recording the prosecution does regarding Cohen, Michael Cohen, that Cohen made between himself and Mr. Trump discussing the Karen McDougal deal. She was the playboy playmate of the year in 98, with whom Trump allegedly had an extramarital affair. The National Enquirer paid her off to write, quote, health columns for the National Inquirer. She never wrote any.

This was really a payment, they say, to keep her quiet instead of going public with the affair. Ultimately, the National Inquirer assigned a reporter to write the articles and put her name on them. Okay. Jurs will hear Trump, the prosecution promises in his own voice, urging that this money, the $150,000, be repaid in cash. I'm not sure I understand what that means. Be repaid in cash to whom? The National Enquirer is paying her the $150. And I know that the Michael Cohen payment to Stormy was out of a Michael Cohen payment, and then he got repaid. He said, as by Trump. This does not connect Trump to the actual crime, which only relates to a payment to Stormy Daniels. Okay, sorry, it's getting confusing. But anyway, they're saying that this

pattern of paying off Karen McDougal suggests a pattern of behavior that prosecutors will urge the jurors to take into account, make assumptions about Trump's involvement in the payment to Daniels based on what he did with McDougal. He also, the prosecutor described a communication from Keith Davidson, the lawyer for Karen McDougal to Dylan Howard. This is the guy actually running the National Enquirer under David Pecker, the owner, as it became clear that Trump was winning the election. This is where Karen McDougal's lawyer says to Dylan Howard, as it became clear was Trump was winning, what have we done? And then Colangelo says it was election fraud, pure and simple. This is their theory that covering up an affair like you have some obligation

to let your affair partners come out and humiliate you. Otherwise, it's election interference. Okay, so Eliana, if you ever run for office and something bad in your past comes back to haunt you, and somebody says, I'm going to tell everybody about how you cheated on some math tests, which we know Eliana Johnson never did. You can't do anything to make them go away. Otherwise, it's election interfere. You have to sit there and let yourself be embarrassed, whether it's true or not. Otherwise, you could wind up in New York State Supreme.

So I'll stop there for now. What do you make of this theory of the case and how it's going so far? I'll stipulate that I am not a lawyer, however, I am familiar and I've talked to folks who are familiar with the defense, the Trump side's legal strategy here. It's pretty clear to me that the prosecution's goal is to throw the kitchen sink at Trump and make the case that he's a bad, skeezy person. Look, we know all of this stuff, and I think the defense is going to try to focus very narrowly on the crime for which Trump is being prosecuted. And they're going to argue it is not actually illegal to have an affair with someone and then sign an NDA. That is not that is not illegal. People sign NDAs in the course of business all the time.

And the challenge I think for the prosecution is going to be to prove that Trump personally ordered whoever the person was in the Trump organization, some junior person and I believe that guy is going to testify to falsify those business records, that he had control over how the record of this transaction was entered when he got a bill from Michael Cohen, and that therefore Trump personally was responsible for the falsification of that record. So it's a lot more complicated, I think, than the prosecution is presenting it, which is Trump's a bad skeezy guy and does bad skeezy things and all that stuff is illegal. But they're clearly trying to paint a larger picture and obscure what I think is like a pretty minor flimsy and weak case. And there's a reason that Alvin Bragg's predecessor did not bring this case.

The defense is going to say that they can't tie any of this to Trump, that apparently he's going to argue that Trump repaid Michael Cohen, that we're going to argue that Trump repaid Michael Cohen, that $130,000 check that Cohen cut to Stormy, that Trump repaid Michael Cohen for legal expenses or legal retainer, I think, is how it was listed in his business records. 420. So he's making the argument, ask yourself, would a frugal businessman like Donald Trump, would a man who pinches pennies like that repay a $130,000 debt to the tune of $420,000? That's what the defense got up to say. And they went on to say this follows. President Trump is innocent. President Trump did not commit any crimes. He's doing what any of us would do. They say, the story you were just told

by the prosecution is simply not true. He says, let's see, that money that he gave to Michael Cohen was not a payback. He was President Trump's personal attorney. So they are going to dispute that the monies Trump paid to Cohen were reimbursement for whatever was paid to store me. And they're going to be relying on Michael Cohen's testimony that there was a deal between Trump and Cohen that Trump would use $130,000 to pay off Stormy and he would do it through Cohen. That's how they tie it around Trump. He says in closing, well, in closing to this particular piece, I have a spoiler alert. There's nothing wrong with trying to influence an election. It's called democracy. I mean, I like that. It's true.

what they do they do all day long. They try to get elected. The point is, though, if he paid money to get himself elected and he didn't document it as a campaign expense, it could potentially be a campaign finance violation, Emily. It's not in this case, because as former FEC election officials have told us on this show, it's not a campaign finance violation unless the only reason one would ever pay it is to advance one's political interest if it has a dual purpose like that. Plus, I'd love it if Melania didn't know or that. Plus, I really don't want to be embarrassed with the public knowing I slept with Stormy Daniels. Then it's not a campaign finance expense, which is undoubtedly why the feds also refused to bring this case. Despite being very

eager to bring a case. Yeah, I think that's important. The absolute crux of the case is that it has to be the only reason for the payment. And if they had classified it, actually, as a campaign expense, who knows what legal routes the left would have pursued to challenge that, actually. So that's another interesting question. That's so true. I mean, there's an argument that either there's nothing that he could have done in order to prevent his wife. Again, this is the hypothetical. Let's say, you know, concede Donald Trump's argument. here. Let's just, if you give him the most charitable version of this, it never happened and he just didn't want Malani to have to deal with the pain, which is certainly legally an argument that he can

make because nobody's in his head, unless they have documentation proving otherwise that this was only the specific reason that this happened was just for one thing, the campaign only. Now, that may be the case, but can they actually prove that? It was the only reason? That's highly unlikely. And it feels silly to even bring the questions about Michael Cohen as a witness into this because it's the case. I mean, you have to go through so many layers of ridiculousness just to get to how the jury is going to look at Michael Cohen. But that is another legitimate question. It's one that the Trump defense is obviously going to raise over and over again, the credibility of his testimony. If he is what this is all hinging on, if he's the one who can say that was the only reason for the payment, does it matter to the jury?

If it's coming for Michael Cohen, I don't know. But yeah, this case is just weak all around. We've known it for a year, and it's just going to become increasingly clear as the process goes on. That's so true, because the normal way we get into arguments about campaign finance violations is when somebody tries to use campaign money

to go buy themselves a suit for a presidential debate instead of their own money because they're cheap skates. And then they get in trouble because that suit is not something that would only ever be purchased for a debate. It's something that people purchase all the time for various reasons. And the way it was explained to us by this former FEC guy was even if the person can say, yeah, but I never wear suits. I literally only bought it for this debate. It's not going to fly. So they're like they don't have it. They're trying to turn the hush money that was paid to stormy into something that could have multiple purposes, right?

And that they, that was if actively being used to interfere with the election and only for that reason. And I just don't think it's going to fly, at least if the jury comes to understand what the law is. Here's a little bit more from the defense, Eliana. Prosecutors, this is via New York Times, objected multiple times during the defense's opening statement. That's bad for him. You're really not supposed to do that, but unless it's egregious. There were two bench conferences that interrupted the state, the opening. That's also extraordinary. In one, the defense attorney, Todd Blanche, tried to tell the jury that Michael Cohen has perjured himself.

The prosecution objected. The objection was sustained. It seems that Blanche, the times goes on, Todd Blanche will not be allowed to accuse Cohen of perjury directly, but he will say that Cohen lied under oath. The legal distinction may matter to some jurors, but the concept is likely more important as the defense team continues its efforts to undermine Cohen. They're not going to care. The jury's not going to care one bit, whether he lied under oath or whether he lied in a way that it amounted to a legal definition of perjury. He's a liar. He took a stand and lied. That's all they need to hear. Blanche brought up, that's Trump's lawyer, Stormy and Cohen. He calls Stormy biased against Trump. The money she made from the Cohen payoff was pure opportunism on her part. It says she's made a lot of

money since this story came out. Of Michael Cohen, Blanche calls him a criminal. He says Cohen has publicly called Trump a despicable human. He says Michael Cohen, quote, wanted a job in the administration. He didn't get one, offering a motive for Cohen's testimony against Trump. And he equates the catch and kill scheme involving the National Enquirer alleged by prosecutors to ordinary editorial decisions made. by newspapers. I mean, you're the editor-in-chief of a news publication, Eliana. You don't do catch and kill, but I don't think he's wrong. I don't think he's wrong about that. Like, look at the number of things we see. The Biden administration has gotten killed or massaged in the press over the past three-plus years and when he was running as well by a complicit media who's

who in return got the hopes of electing him. Maybe they didn't get Oh, that's all, I mean, that's all the National Inquirer got, Inquirer got, too. David Pecker didn't get money. He wanted Trump to win. So he buried some stories and promoted others. And that's exactly what the New York Times has done, what NPR has just been out at his doing. Like, how is it so incredibly different? The pecker and catch and kill thing, I think, is super interesting because there, I have a couple questions about it.

The first is, you're right. I think that raises questions about Pecker and the National Enquirer, which is not known as the most reputable news organization around. But the question is, is it illegal? So Trump had an arrangement with this guy, but was there a legal issue with that? And is that what this case is actually about? I don't totally understand how that relates. to me, I guess my focus and what I've tried to wrap my head around is the NDA Trump struck with Stormy, how it was billed and represented within the Trump organization, and whether that was a legitimate or not campaign expense. And our friend Annie McCarthy is the one who has really helped me understand this by talking to him and listening to his podcast, where he distinguished between, as you were talking about, a campaign.

campaign expense is polling, is something like that that literally would not have existed but for the campaign, an advertising. As Emily said, there are lots of plausible reasons. One could have signed an NDA with Stormy and paid her $130,000 to keep her mouth shut. The campaign is one of them, but there are lots of other reasons too. And then the second is Michael Cohen was Trump's lawyer. NDA is a legal agreement. This was billed as legal fees. They have to show that the entry in the Trump Organization's docket of this agreement, the payment to Cohen as legal fees, was intended

to cover up this campaign finance crime. That's complicated. And I think it, this, it's frustrating to say, but it's actually going to hinge on the jury being impartial and fair-minded. And I think that really is the challenge of this trial. And my understanding of how the defense is going into that is that is also the challenge that they see. This is a hostile jury pool. Manhattan had a not a friendly jury pool to Trump. And the real challenge of this of this is like getting the jurors to look at this with fresh eyes and to view Trump, to view this on the merits. Okay, so to that point, we ran this soundbite last week, and I encourage everybody to go back and listen to the whole episode. But we had Brad Smith, his name was.

He was appointed to the FEC under Bill Clinton. All right. He now is a Republican, but he was appointed by a Democrat. He's a fair-minded guy. And he came on, I don't know, how long ago it was within the last year or so. And episode 522-5-2, 5-2. You can go back and listen to the full discussion, well worth your time, and you'll learn. he explained it this way. It's very clear. Listen.

Stormy Daniels had the right to blackmail Donald Trump, whether he was running for office or not. Trump could have paid it, whether he was running for office or not. So, you know, people could judge for themselves what they think of the behavior and so on, and that's legitimate things for voters to look at. But in terms of visit a violation of campaign finance law, I just think the answer is no. And I think we wouldn't want it to be yes. That would open up a whole can of worms down the line. Hold on. There's another sound bite that I want to play that we ran. the other day that's more explicit.

We're trying to find it. We'll get it up in one second because this guy lays it all out very clearly. Now the question is, like, this jury is not going to have expert testimony on the law, right? That's an argument you make to the judge when you're crafting your jury instructions, right?

Like, did, this is where the lawyers going behind the scene and say to the judge, this is how the jury should be instructed. I would say the question is, did Trump pay off Stormy Daniels through Michael Cohen? number one. Okay, if yes, then, if yes was the purpose of paying off Stormy Daniels entirely to get himself elected. If no, then proceed to not liable. If yes, then proceed with asking additional

questions. Okay, that's how it works for lawyers. You've got to style it for the jury so that the law, law is baked in. You don't ask the jury to figure out what the relevant law is. That's the job of the judge and the lawyers. We found the sound bite, Emily. So this is, this argument you're about to hear is the accurate statement of the law. And what they need to do is find a way of getting this into the jury instructions to reflect what we're all talking about here. Let's suppose I decide to run for Congress and I say, you know, I need to be in a debate and I need a really good suit. So I go out and I spend, you know, $2,000 on a suit, which I would never otherwise do, right? It doesn't make it a campaign expense, even though my purpose was to do it to influence the election. Or suppose I'm an

individual and I have a messy divorce in my background and I decide I'm going to run for office and I say to my lawyer, can we seal those records? And I pay my lawyer to try to seal those divorce records. Even though I'm doing it for the purpose of influencing a campaign, it's not a campaign expenditure. Because those are things you might do for non-election-related purposes, as is paying off a lover whom you allegedly had an affair with while your wife was pregnant. That's the allegation here. So I just don't see this just, I know the judge doesn't like Trump, but you know what judges don't like more than anything else? Getting reversed. And the law is the law. Like someone's actually going to have to take a look at these legal standards, which are black and white and easy to

understand, relatively, and wrestle with this reality at some point. Like, it's one of the reasons why the case never should have been brought, frankly. Yeah, and Brad Smith raised such a good point there about also the potential ramifications for precedent down the road if you do this, because to your point, Megan, say Donald Trump had classified these payments as campaign expenses, what would have happened then and what happens if this ruling comes down? And what happens if this ruling comes down and says that it was improperly not classified what happens to those purchases people make that are intended to influence an election but are not exclusively election related. And I suspect that there's going to be an argument made that Stormy Daniels herself wouldn't have needed

to be paid off if Donald Trump had it run for president. Therefore, this is all just about the campaign. But that is also not a good argument because it brings it back to, oh, well, you would never have needed a suit if you hadn't decided to run for president. I mean, it's not a good enough. No, not at all. I mean, we can be really cynical and look at the jury and say, you know, it comes down on this area that voted 85% for Joe Biden over Donald Trump, being able to assemble an impartial jury there.

I'm pretty cynical about that, honestly, but I know some people on the left are frustrated with brag for even bringing this case because they look at the other ones down the road and say, listen, we're talking about a potential hush money payoff to a porn star for Donald Trump, a man who was like actually planting stories about himself in the tabloids for years. This is known to the American public long before he decided to run for president. Meanwhile, they're trying to focus on January 6 cases, on documents cases. I mean, it just, it does look extremely silly next to all of that. The media coverage continues to be a joke.

Brian Stelter just tweeted out. a source close to Trump tells at Dana Bash, CNN, that he, what? He confessed? He, what did he, is mad at the world right now? What? As he's being confined to a courtroom. What the? This is so absurd.

Eliana, you would fire somebody who works for you who sent out such a dramatic. Breaking, breaking was the headline. He's mad at the world because he's confined. Get a hold of yourself. Trump reportedly struggling to stay awake and his lawyers yawned. This is from the New York Times. At least two of his lawyers have let out yawns this morning. The poor legal to him. You mean they're human? They're normal humans who sometimes in their early morning court hours. Yon? What else? Blinking? How's the breathing going? Update to follow.

Okay. That brings me to this soundbite. It's from Bob Micellus of the The Midas Touch. And this is an interesting update he brought. Hold on a second because this guy's, he's got some thoughts for you. Okay. He's the co-founder of this show The Midas Touch. He, let's say, it's a liberal political action committee formed in 2020 to stop Trump from getting reelected.

The guy's also a partner at Garagos and Garagos, so he knows our pal Markwell. and he's also business partners with Colin Kaepernick and works across all of Kaepernick's ventures as well as his nonprofit. So that's the guy you're about to hear, Ben, who's got some thoughts, some hot breaking news that you guys should hear firsthand. Take a listen. And I'm hearing from credible sources

who know what's going on in the courtroom and what I'm hearing is that take it for what it's worth, but that Donald Trump is actually farting in the courtroom and that it's very stinky around him. It's a putrid odor in the courtroom and that Trump's lawyers are like repulsed by the scent and the smell. I'm hearing it from actual credible people

that as he's kind of falling asleep, he is actually passing gas and that his lawyers are really struggling with the smell. I think you'll actually start to hear more of that. I mean, they're hot on the trail. of the flatulence, they, they could see it coming. They sensed it coming from a mile away. And Emily, this is like the breaking news from the courtroom

that Trump is allegedly passing gas and his own lawyers can't stand it. Eliana likes it. As opposed to the lawyers, who would be really happy about this situation. This is great happenings in there. Yeah. Exactly, right.

It's like, well, how do we know, like, how do we know it was Trump? How do we know what was in the lawyer sitting next time? Can you locate the source of the gas exactly? I mean, I would ask for a criminal probe on that, Emily. He might get indicted for this next week. Yeah, well, don't put it past them and don't give them ideas because they're going after this case, so who knows what they will do next?

But, you know, saying that he wouldn't be surprised if the media starts talking about this more. I mean, I guess he's probably right about that because the media's already reporting on the yawns. They're reporting on the nodding. I mean, it's just, of course, though, if they can, If they can find a credible way by their low standards to get this into print, they will. They definitely will. Truly, Eliana, they're on the scent. They're on the scent of something big, possible flatulence in the courtroom.

I mean, it's weird how, like, I don't know. You tell me if Trump were sitting across from E. Jean Carroll and she let one go. Do you think the media would be updating and reporting on that? Or is it just Trump gas that makes national headlines? I'm curious. I wonder. No, I actually know the answer. It's just a farce.

It's a different kind of. F-A-R. It's a farce. Look, I think it goes to the sort of bigger issue here, which is that voters don't really like Trump. They don't really like Biden. And the candidate in the general election that's hurt is the one that's in the headlines. And the fact that Trump has these legal cases against him and is sitting in a courtroom, it gives the media very easy excuse to keep Trump in the headlines every single day. day. And this is the sort of news that we're going to hear about him. And this is the real reason.

I think a lot of these trials are damaging for him. It keeps him at the center of the news when the headlines we should really be seeing our Trump out campaigning and prosecuting the case against Biden. And instead, we're hearing about, you know, his odors from the courtroom. Not to mention, Biden fails to say anything about the rampant anti-Semitism on college campuses coast to coast. We're not talking about that. We're talking about possible Trump gas, which again, remains unproven. Whoever smelt it, dealt it, that remains the default rule both in court and out of court. Sorry, Ben, but that's just the way it is. Update from inside the courtroom, David Pecker has left the stand. He has taken the stand and has left the stand. Court is over for

the day. He was not cross-examined. It looks like he's going to come back and resume his testimony tomorrow. This was because of the, it was a 1230 appointment for the jurors tooth. So everything remains in abeyance. And so far, David Pecker talked about how this is basic checkbook journalism where all the tabloids pay money for stories. Legitimate news organizations that are in the business of actual news, we don't do that. We would never do that. So that's a distinction. But if you're a tabloid, you can do it. Let me tell you something. The, you know, highbrow news organizations are not sin free on this either. I remember we'd watch Good Morning America crush on pictures on a huge story. I don't know, let's say it was like Casey Anthony. And we're like, my God, how are they getting these?

You know how they do it? They pay a licensing fee for the photos. It's all fucking smoke and mirrors. I'm sorry. It's just like, that's disgusting too. You know what you're doing. You're paying a licensing But you're buying, you're buying a story. You know, are you really that much better than the National Enquirer? I don't know. I'll let the viewers decide that. All right, standby, quick break, and we're going to get into Columbia and Yale and the Biden administration. More with the EJs just ahead.

Columbia University cancels in-person classes as a new encampment forms on university grounds. And a sign on the perimeter reads, Welcome to the People's University of Palestine. Well, I appreciate the honesty. I mean, that's really true. So good for them for finally getting it right. This photo is courtesy of Columbia student author and former Megan Kelly show intern, Ricky Schlott. Per CNN, this new encampment has around 200 protesters inside of it. It's taking place opposite the lawn where the original encampment took place before police went in on Thursday. So they had already started. Then on Thursday, after the Columbia president testified on Capitol Hill, they went in and tried to disband. the whole thing. They removed it because she, under fire, finally authorized them to break this

damn thing up. Meanwhile, these Jewish students are trying to go to class and learn past these, like, Globalize the Intifada chance. Okay, sure. NYPD officials held a press conference just a short time ago saying university officials have currently requested the NYPD only patrol the exterior of the campus. But they said if there's a crime in progress, we are going to go in. Over the weekend, Jewish and Israeli students on and around campus were subjected to chants like, yes, Hamas, we love you, we support your rockets too. Do you believe these turds? Watch this video, courtesy of the Israel Files.

We say just as you say how burned Tel Aviv to the ground. All right, you get that. I can barely read a little worse on my own screen, but it's all anti-Semitic stuff. Time to rebel. Hamas, give him hell. some said they were told to go back to Poland. This woman here stood in front of the protesters who were holding up Israeli flags.

And for the listening audience, she used a Kaffa headscarf to disguise her identity because they're all cowards. You want to be an anti-Semite. You do you, sweetheart. But be woman enough to show your face. You're disgusting because you know it's wrong

and you don't have the guts to just own it. You want to get your job at what? Goldman? Good luck. And you know you can't show your Jew-hating face. So you cover it up while you hold a sign that reads Qasam's next targets. Al-Kasom is Hamas's armed military wing. Their next targets, American Jews or their supporters, holding up Israel flags. She wants them dead. You see? She's not hiding the mess. She's just hiding her disgusting face. But you know what? We'll find out who she is. And then companies will be free to hire her or not. That's the great thing about America. They can make their own choices. By Sunday, a rabbi linked with the university, Columbia, sent a message to a group

of mostly orthodox Jewish students that stated, quote, I strongly recommend that you return home and remain home until the reality in around campus has dramatically improved. Back with me now, the EJs. Aliana, I'm so disgusted by these rabid anti-Semites. This is not anywhere near the same as someone saying, I think Israel's gone too far, too many people have died. I don't like the disproportionate response in my view. That's a legitimate debate we can and should be having.

This is something else entirely. These protesters are calling for the elimination of the Jewish state and for the death of Jews on campus. And you have, as you mentioned, campus rabbis saying that Jews on campus are not safe. And there was a follow-up. I'm not actually totally clear if it was from the same rabbi or a different rabbi, saying that Columbia is now offering armed escorts to students who remain on campus. It's not that easy if you live across the country. country to just jet out of Colombia. Passover begins today. They're offering armed escorts to students

to get to and from their satyrs. So that is what it takes for Jewish students on campus to go about their daily lives. And these students have shut down the school. They can't have classes in person. And it's interesting, you know, we heard President Shafiak last Wednesday testify before the House Committee on Education and the Workforce saying, I really don't think these people are mostly driven by hate. These are legitimate political disagreements. And it's just a small minority of the students. And I think we're seeing the protesters give lie to that. These are hate-filled chance. And whether it's a small number of them or not, they are showing their ability to exert control over the campus. The solution I think has come to is it's time. It's time

for expulsion, removal and expulsion of the students so that the school can function. 100%. Kick them out. Get out. Get all the way out. If you're not from here, go back home to your whatever country, your Jew-hating country, which is probably how you learned it. I mean, it's amazing to me that they want all the benefits of being at an American university.

Some of them aren't even from here. I just want to come over here, bash our country, bash a bunch of Jews, hold up signs, encouraging people to kill Americans on campus and then, you know, okay, on their merry way. And some of those are Americans too, which is even more disgusting. They're like a cult, Emily, because we cut this one video just to show what's wrong with these people? Like what's happening here? Listen to them mindlessly followed this man in the chanting.

Like they're, you know, it's like church. This is, it's like church where you chant. There you pray to God. Here, you're praying to some loser student representative who apparently has zero tolerance for Jewish people. Watch this. So that we can. Maybe it's a woman. Start to push them.

Start to push them. Out of the camp. Out of the camp. One step forward. One step forward. Another step forward. Another step forward. We ask that you please respect.

That you please respect. respect our privacy, our privacy, and our community guidelines, which you have so far disrespected, which you have so far disrespected, and leave our camp. And leave our camp. One step forward. One step forward. Oh my God, they all have their little beanies and their masks outside way post-COVID. Emily, you tell me, why is that? Why are they masking outside? No, it's a great question. I mean, protesters at least used to have some style. I also, I'm curious, they said this is like the encampment University of Palestine at Columbia. I feel like they probably can't do their like queer study classes. If that's their

Palestine University at Columbia, that might make it a little bit more complicated. Yeah, it raises so many questions. But I mean, I mean, I think it's important to support free speech when it's hard precisely because we are now seeing fully on display how absurd their claims to not be. I'm not saying all these protesters are anti-Semitic, but clearly some very vocal leaders of these protests are anti-Semitic. So on the one hand, I think it's important to support free speech when it's hard. I think it's also reasonable for schools to have narrow codes of conduct that determine, you know, we're here and we respect inquiry. these temples of inquiry, American universities, but we do it for the sake of the good.

We do it for the sake of learning. We do it for the sake of enlightenment. And so, you know, when you're crossing those very obvious boundaries, camping outdoors, you know, civil disobedience that's crossing into obvious violations, like saying Al Qasam's next target and pointing towards a Jewish student. At Yale, they're playing music that says Israel's going to die. That kind of stuff is so it's not just the obvious hypocrisy

that people like Bill Ackman picked up on after October 7th with Claudine Gay and the other university presidents is also just in some cases so very clearly crossing the line to not being good faith criticism of Israel and being blatantly anti-Semitic. And there's just been so far repercussions that totally are disproportionate to how the left would react if there were violations

of student conduct from the right, if there were actual legitimate hate speech coming from the right. I mean, I've watched these universities for years say that you can't host a lecture by a conservative speaker because of the security concerns. But you can just camp outside and say Al Qasam's next target and play music that says Israel's going to die. Come on. And then some Jewish students going to have to go into class and sit next to that lunatic. I mean, it really is one of those things with thought experiment. Like, imagine if this were a bunch of anti-black protesters out there with a sign in front of the few black people who nerved the angry mob to come out with, you know, American flags.

And then one of these white supremacists goes over and stands in front of them with a sign that reads, the KKK's next targets. Imagine what would happen. They would not be keeping the police off campus. They would not be letting the students go back to their dorms and eventually resume classes and sit next to the black students. they would be expelled like that because there are behavioral codes on college campuses that include anti-bullying and anti-harassment. And that's because there are federal civil rights laws that ensure that these students should

not be subjected to that while they're on campus. We're not talking about snowflakes, hurt feelings after some mild comment. They're threatening and calling for the death of the Jews. It's a problem. I got to take a quick break. Eliana, I give it to you and we come back. We'll pick it up right there. Elian, I'd love to get you to weigh in, but I do want to point out it's not just Columbia.

Over in Yale, it's alarming too. In the video we're going to show you here, Yale students formed a human chain to block a Jewish student from entering the university. I can't believe this is happening in America. Watch this. We're here. Go get in my way. All right. So it looks to me like a conservative Jewish person.

He's obviously openly Jewish, and they're not letting him pass. The mob follows him. He moves left. They move left. He moves right. They move right. As a swarm. And they're not letting him.

This is America. This is, this cannot happen at Yale University. Didn't you go there, Eliana? I'm a 2006 graduate and the Beacon also had a reporter up there covering the events as they transpired on Friday and Saturday where just much like at Columbia, the students were camped out in tents on a university plaza. and it is noteworthy that these events took place at a World War II memorial to Yale students who served in the wars and tore down an American flag and cheered as it was brought to the ground at that memorial.

We actually have that. Here's a bit of it. SOT 7. Taring down the American flag. That's what they're cheering at, folks. I'm sorry, but that weird, it's like a part of the call to prayer, that sound. I've heard it in too many terror videos. It still brings a chill when I hear it. It's

alarming. And to see it, to hear it yelled when an American flag falls on one of our most prestigious, or at least used to be, university campuses, Eliana, brings up something very, like vile. I mean, it just, I recoil. I can't believe this is not for, free speech. This is not about free speech. These people are calling for the death of Jews. They're tearing down American flags on American university colleges. And we're just sitting back saying, you Jews, go ahead, Eliana, Schrefield, perfectly comfortable going to class and crossing their little picket line as the mob swarms in front of you tearing down a flag, our flag, to say, no, try it. We dare you. Yeah, at a memorial for young men who went and

fought and died fighting the Nazis. It's insane, and it's noteworthy, that administrators issued warnings on Saturday, but did nothing. And at late Saturday evening, a young Jewish student, a young woman was sent to the hospital when one of these protesters poked her in the eye with a Palestinian flag. and this morning, the police were called in to start arresting people. It must be Yale University's president, Peter Salivay, announced a year ago that this would be his last year. They are looking for a new president. And so I think that has motivated him to take a more hand his approach.

This is not his problem. It's the next person's problem. However, he must be watching what is taking place on the Columbia University campus and thought, I've got to start clearing this out. But if these guys don't know already that the response to this is not to issue warnings and stand by as people start to get hurt as private property, private university property is desecrated, rules are broken, university entrances and exits are blocked from students. You know, warnings are not enough.

Time to start calling the cops. I listened to a recording that we were not authorized to share that a student took of her call to the Yale University Police Department where the police officers told. told her, we are concerned. We have not been authorized by the university to do anything yet. That obviously changed overnight, but 48 hours this went on. Students were hurt. Property was desecrated.

People were not allowed to pass freely through campus. Enough is enough. You know, you don't have a right to attend Yale University. Time to, you know, students to be expelled. Yeah. honestly, I would expel them and I would do whatever I had to do to get them off campus, whether it's cops, National Guard, we have to get dramatic. This cannot be allowed.

This is not about free speech. You know where you can go have perfect free speech rights out in the town square. Emily, you know, you mentioned it earlier. Free speech is important. Yes is. No one's saying they're not allowed to scream this hateful shit. That is the glory of being an American. You can scream hateful shit unless it amounts to incitement.

but you have limited free speech rights when it comes to the center of the campus square. And this has gone beyond that menacing that they're doing to the Jewish student that we just showed there. That's illegal. You can't do that. That is not okay wherever you are. It's certainly not okay on a college campus. I don't like when, and no, you weren't doing this, but when people try to reduce this kind of behavior to free speech, it's bullshit. That's not what this is. So we need to be really clear on acceptable behaviors. And all you need to do is picture a bunch of whites doing this to a black student about 40 years ago and ask yourself whether you defend it. A reporter got kind of trolled on Twitter over the weekend. I want to say just from the New York

Times of the Washington Post were saying she was there and what she saw Columbia was, you know, a lot of, you know, a lot of that crazy stuff was happening. Tia. She's the one who blocked me. I used to follow her and then she cheered, this is what resistance looks like after a bunch of Israel babies and women and children were murdered. And I was like, okay, it's over between the two of us. But she's out there. So she's a Washington Post columnist who is out there. Hold on. I pulled it.

Oh, here it is. Okay, just to add to what you're saying and then I'll give you back the floor. I teach my last class of the semester at Columbia this coming week. God help them. That explains a lot. And the university has made this situation into a war zone. Well, so far we agree, but we disagree on how it's by them permitting these protests in the first place. No, she says, most of the people posting about Columbia have not stepped foot on campus and have no idea what's going on. As I said,

the demonstrations I saw last week were comprised of students of all faiths and backgrounds. Columbia escalated this situation by calling an armed police. The ones I saw, Hitler's always been very nice to me, Emily. All I saw was a perfect gentleman who was a very talented public speaker. That's what she's doing here. I didn't see any problems. Oh, then none must have existed, Karen. Well, it's insane to put the burden just on the university for the actions of the students. I mean, I agree. Like, I think we all agree the university is doing too little. So yes, she's right on that point. I guess she wants the university to do too much. But like some of this is the university's fault. But you're seeing so little.

of people holding, people who are organizing these protests, people who are peacefully participating in legitimate civil disobedience, they are not being asked to take control of the situation because to the extent that Karen Atia is allowed to teach whatever nonsense she's teaching in that class, clearly Columbia University is letting people make these arguments, these ridiculous arguments that Hamas is the resistance, something Judith Butler has said before as well.

clearly those arguments are happening just fine. In fact, they're being facilitated and encouraged by these universities. And, you know, I think those arguments are ridiculous and wrong, but universities are obviously teaching them. But nobody is saying to the students that are organizing these protests, the burden is on you to reel back, the violence, the calls for Israel to die, the people holding signs that say Al Qasam's next target pointing at Jewish students, if you organize a protest, you should be held. to account when things get out of control. How many times have we heard this exact same argument made about people on January 6th, you know, or they point the finger at Donald Trump, even though he said, go protest peacefully. And I think to some extent that's reasonable. But it's the same thing. But there's nothing in this case.

Nobody's saying, hey, those students that are organizing this, they really need to step up and tell those other people to cut it out because they don't, in some cases, want those people to cut it out. No, God, they're leading them. I mean, it's, I mean, like, I think we could all agree if they were having a protest on campus or even a sit-in if it weren't, you know, incredibly disruptive. And, you know, that's really the test disruption under Supreme Court precedent. But if they were having a protest and chanting something like Israel's committing genocide, okay, that's an opinion. Many people have it.

That isn't okay. But threats, threats against Jewish students are not okay on a college campus. That's just crossing a line that they would never allow anyone else to cross. And it's insane that these Jewish families now have to worry about these schools at which they spend almost $70,000 a year in tuition, I think it is, $67,000, I think, for Columbia now that last check. I've got to talk to you about Ilan Omar's daughter, Eliana, because she's made herself a public face of these protests.

You're shocked, shocked, I know. and she's at Barnard, which is right next to Columbia, and is participating in this sit-in, this nonstop off again on again, I guess it is a bit more accurate term, but pernicious sit-in. And she, along with the other students who are not complying with the police directives and so on, came out, got the full vogue. Is it teen-vogue treatment? It's always teen-vogue. It's always teen-vogue.

and is, look, here she is. She's such a hero. The headline, Irsa or Isra Hersi, Ilan Omar's daughter on Columbia arrests, Barnard suspension, Palestine protests. The subtitle is

the longtime social justice activist and Barnard Jr. 21 talks to Teen Vogue about the 48 hours following Columbia University's decision to send NYPD into a campus, Palestine solidarity encampment. That's not exactly how it went down. But she decides to paint her time there as like she was basically just kicked out of the last homeless shelter in New York with no food and no roof over her head and says as follows. We were reading our email and it said we had 15 minutes to go get our shit if we wanted it. And we'd have to go with

public safety escort. I was like, I'm not going to do that. But I was a little frantic, like, where am I going to sleep? Where am I going to go? And also, all of my shit is thrown into a random lot. It's pretty horrible. I don't know when I can go home. And I don't know if I ever will be able to. I mean, could you spare me? You're, like, I've only got crocodile tears for this person who was out there leading all this shit. And then to double down, She goes, of course, on MSNBC and listen to this. Now, I want the audience to pay particular attention to something we discussed last week, which is her reference to the alleged chemical weapons that she claims were deployed against her.

We know the truth, thanks to the free beacon, Eliana's publication. Listen. Do you feel that you are being targeted because of the fact that it is in solidarity with Palestinians and against what Israel is doing to Palestinians? Palestinians. Oh, this is 100% targeted. Every single protest that we have, there's a group of counter protesters that bring all of their items, their flags and things like that, and they're not seen as having un-s sanctioned protests or really receive the kind of disciplinary warnings that many of our fellow organizers receive just for being seen at these protests. And so there is

definitely some hypocrisy here, especially you can kind of see it with the students that were, that were sprayed us with the chemical weapons and the fact that there's no public information as to what happened to them, but rather the university is actively discussing what is happening to the students here and making it a whole public spectacle rather than when we haven't done anything to physically harm students, whereas those that sprayed those chemical weapons physically harmed students. Care to comment on that, Eliana? Let's just start with the facts.

The chemical weapon in question was a fart spray purchase on Amazon for 20, $26 called Liquid S. Okay? And I really have that in the Trump trial too.

Yeah. And she says nothing happened to these students. These students who sprayed that were suspended, which is why

they are now suing Columbia University for accusing them of spraying a chemical weapon. They were suspended immediately.

Columbia president Manu Shefee, testified before the Columbia University Senate and said that these students had used chemical weapons. These students were former IDF soldiers and then came to Columbia. So she spread this misinformation and the fact that this was not any kind of chemical weapon, but in fact, this harmless fart spray purchased off Amazon surfaced in their lawsuit where they are litigating their suspension. So what she said that we can't protest, but they can and nothing happens to them, is total and utter bullshit.

She's on MSNBCC and got a spread in team vote. They got suspended and she got a slaughter. And she said our protests appear to violate the policies. Either the protests violate the policies or they do not. Her protests, her behavior violated the university policy. Beyond that, her mother, you know, Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, was questioning the Columbia University president

weighing in on behalf of the protesters and never disclosed to the American public that her daughter is one of the protesters who's going to suffer the consequences. One would think, at least in the interest of propriety, that Representative Omar would say, you know, my daughter's on the campus and she's one of these agitators.

No, no, no. She didn't say a war. heard about that. But in the interest, Omar was actually the one who got Colombia President Shafiq to say there are no anti-Jewish protests that I've seen and allowed representatives. She did. Right. She was the one who asked the question. Have there been anti-Muslim protest? Shefique said no. She said, have there been anti-Jewish protests? Shafiq said no. And then Elise Stefani stepped in and said, I'm sorry. You testified that there have been no anti-Jewish protests. would you consider death to Zionists?

Is that anti-Jewish? And Shafi had to backpedal and say, Oh, actually, death to Jews. They weren't labeled anti-Jewish, like when the notice that they were happening went out. They just, you know, they just evolved in that direction. And then her three co-panelists, the chairman of the board of trustees, Jay Carney's wife, Claire Shipman, and David Schizer, Shizer, whatever his name is, they all said, they all contradicted Aaron said, of course,

there have been anti-Jewish protests on this campus. So anyhow, you know, she, what she said is a total and utter lie. I think we're being too hard on Ilan Omar's daughter, who, let's face it, for a brief period of time, her uncle became her stepdad when her mom married her brother. So it's, you know, that kind of stuff can cause lasting damage, which can manifest itself in a number of ways, Emily. I'll tell you why the campus cops are not throwing the Israeli. protesters off campus. It's pretty clear. It's depicted, for example, in this soundbite from Colombia with the Jewish students sought for. They're singing, they're waving American flags, and Israeli flags.

They're not covering their face. No face is covered. This is why they don't get. bothered, Emily, they're not doing anything. And I realize Israel right now is in the midst of a bombing campaign against a group that attacked it viciously on 107, which is controversial. But these students are getting processed. These Americans are getting harassed. That's where we enter. Well, this show isn't a big foreign policy show. This is probably not where you come if you want daily, you know, 501 foreign policy updates. But we get into it when it crosses over. into what's happening to us, right, to Americans. And this war is a great example of that. We're not doing daily updates on this bombing campaign or that bombing campaign. There are shows for

that. But this, you target Americans for their beliefs or just because they happen to be Jewish and all Americans should be standing up against you. That you're not allowed in the United States to do this to a group on a college campus. Well, and I think our standards for our campuses have just slipped and slipped to the point where we're almost numb. But, you know, to watch this happen, yeah, again, at like temples of inquiry, like the American university system used to be the pride of the country. It used to be the envy of the world. And what we see now, you know, again, people, they burn American flags,

they take American flags down. Some of this is protective speech, et cetera, et cetera. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about people saying death to Jews. We're talking about people saying Al Qasams next tar. We're talking about in some cases some very obvious incitement, violence, and stuff that goes well beyond what our colleges, why they enshrined free speech, free expression, and free inquiry into their missions. And that is for the purpose of bettering our society. What we are seeing is not bettering our society. And if you are going to practice civil disobedience, and if you are going to practice completely non-civil disobedience, and then go on MSNBC, and then go on MSNBC, and you're going to practice civil disobedience, and then go on MSNBC. and cry about the consequences for you, which so far appear to be like maybe losing some stuff

you were camping with, but also getting an MSNBC slot, a spread in teen vogue, all kinds of plotts from the media, then you've completely lost the plot here. Universities are so deeply, they are now so deeply run by an ideology that is utterly incoherent, although it's coherent when it's convenient for people who believe in that sort of oppressed or oppressed dichotomy, when that's convenient to them, it's all that they can cling to.

And that's why they struggle so much, just like Claudine Gay did in front of Congress so many months ago. So the same thing happened just last week. They struggle so much with this because they can't fundamentally cop to the logical conclusion of their belief system. And that is where they're hitting the brick wall, and it's why they're not capable of treating people equally when it comes to cracking down on protests, when it comes to cracking down on speech, that's why. It's because they're held hostage to this completely incoherent ideology. I would love to see, like, if Ron DeSantis were president right now, I would love to see what he would do. I just feel like it would be a post-Brown versus Board of Education moment.

he would say not one Jewish student will be prevented from going to class. Not one Jewish professor will be intimidated on his way into the university. No. And I don't care what it takes. And I don't give a shit if you don't like National Guardsmen here or if you have a problem with the large police presence, too bad. Too bad. You brought it on yourselves. It's not just over here.

As I watched this video from London, Eliana, all I could think was, thank God we divorce them. God, we divorced England. But then you look back here and you're like, well, we're actually not doing so well ourselves. But this is outrageous. Look what the London police did and said to a Jewish man who showed up at a pro-Palestine protest. Sot 9. You are quite openly to it. This is a pro-Palestinian bar. I'm not abusing of anything, but I'm worried about the reaction to him. Why are you arrest? Because your presence is antagonizing

large people. We can't deal with all the friends. If they attack you. Okay. So your presence is antagonizing them because you're quite obviously Jewish. Now they've tried to dial that back because there was such outrage.

And so first, the London Metropolitan Police Service apologize for the language of that officer, but said, look, counter demonstrators have to be a way. that, quote, their presence is provocative. You know, those damn Jews, they just keep showing up and like wanting to cross the sidewalk. It's very annoying. And then the Metropolitan Police Service later deleted that apology and issued a second one that simply reads, in an effort to make a point

about the policing of protest, we caused further offense. That was never our intention. We have removed that statement and we apologize. Being Jewish is not a provocation. Okay, you finally got there. But what a disgrace. I feel very provoked by Eliana right now. You know, it's a disgrace. And to your point, Megan, I do actually think that the situation in Europe is worse than the one that we've seen in the United States. And in many ways, what we're seeing on these college campuses, it is a warning sign that if we don't nip this in the bud and we don't, that these university administrators don't lay down the law.

about what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. Next, it will be our workplaces and many other places in this country. We've seen that, like we've seen the ideology already. In fact, it came into our newsroom. It came into the workplaces. Next will be these sorts of protest. We will have tent, you know, tent campouts in our offices and city streets. And like, this stuff doesn't stop.

It is not contained on college campuses. The Europe stuff is a real warning for what could happen in this country. I'm like, I feel like we're months away from stars of David. I know we've seen some of that spray painting, but like some identifier or like what the Christians now are going to have like a cross. Like, don't get me. You know, Christ is King. It's just we're getting, we're on a dangerous peer right now. And we need to not jump.

We need to not jump. We need to pull it back, get back together and stop the nonsense. And there are certain core principles we can all agree on, which is civilized debate and safety, not the fake kind. like, I can't hear your controversial opinion on abortion, but real safety. Like, I'm not going to get killed on the way to biology on college campuses where, you know, are best and brightest, or at least some of them are just trying to get an education. I've got to ask about Joe Biden. Emily, this was Joe Biden in his campaign ad when he was running for president on Charlottesville

and Trump. It was there on August of 2017. we saw clansmen and white supremacists and neo-Nazis come out in the open. Their crazed faces, illuminated by tortures, veins bulging, and burying the fangs of racism, chanting the same anti-Semitic bile herd across Europe in the 30s. And that's when we heard the words of the President of the United States that stunned to the world and shocked the conscience of this nation. He said there were, quote, some very fine people on both sides.

very fine people on both sides. But those words, the President of the United States assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate and those are the courage to stand against it. And in that moment, I knew the threat to this nation was unlike any I had ever seen in my lifetime. We can't forget what happened in Charlottesville. You get the picture.

Can't forget what happened in Charlottesville. the horrible anti-Semitism that we saw on camera. That wasn't the only time he's remarked on it with his face, with his voice, now that he's president, and we see death to the Jews and Al Qasam's next victims right here and death to America and pulling down the American flag. What do we get? We get a spokesperson from the White House saying, the ancient story of persecution against Jews in the Hagada, which is the book they read during

Passover, also reminds us that we must speak out against the alarming surge of anti-Semitism in our schools, communities, and online. Silence is complicity. Even in recent days we've seen harassment and calls for violence against Jews, this blatant anti-Semitism is reprehensible and dangerous, and it has absolutely no place on college campuses or anywhere in our country. Now, if you could just put him in front of a camera, stick that in the teleprompter, and let him deliver it with any sort of vigor, anything. I'll take what we saw in 2020. It could be a W. But it's not because the spokesperson put this together, understanding they had to do something, and there's no heart in it because Joe Biden probably doesn't even know it was issued. What do you think,

yeah, and let's say he does that a couple of days from now. I mean, it's already way too late. The campuses have spiraled completely out of control. It's just a complete absolute. of leadership. And, you know, leadership, not even just in a policy sense, but in the sort of sense of this is like the calming national figure who is supposed to be also sort of a thought leader, somebody who kind of puts their foot down when things are spiraling out of control. And that's obviously what's happened on college campuses. So I don't know that they actually would have said anything if they didn't also feel like they had to put out a Passover statement. You know, if it hadn't been Passover, I genuinely wonder if they would have said anything to this.

It's not surprising at all that it's a statement from a spokesperson as opposed to the president. They don't want to draw any attention to this whatsoever. We saw that there has been so much backlash on the left to the president's policies that they went to Dearborn. They dispatched high-level people from the administration to Dearborn to try and modify people in that area who are just absolutely incensed by the Biden administration's policy. so he can't. I mean, if he does it, it'll be too late, but he certainly doesn't want to draw any attention to pushing back because he's getting so much heat for being, you know, relatively supportive as they see it, of Netanyahu and the prosecution of the war up until this point. So, I mean, it's just he's, he's in a little bit of a trap, but it's one of his own making. He really needs to watch it, Eliana. He needs to watch it if he caters to this fringy element of the left, because there are

are a lot of liberal Jewish voters who are with him so far, but are starting to turn on him and take a fresh look at Trump. Dan Cienor was just tweeting about this today. And I don't think he's wrong. I think the president may be misjudging how strong a voting contingent the Elon Omar's of the world control and maybe not factoring in as much, a big core of the Democratic Party is Trump's not wrong that, you know, American Jews tend to vote Democrat. They're like the more conservative, Orthodox. They're a little bit more Republican. You tell me if I'm wrong, but he's going to start to lose this core, the core people

if he caters too much to that far left flank. Biden is between a rock and a hard place on this because he cannot get far enough in the real world. Speaking in real world, terms, he cannot get far enough to the left to pacify the Ilhan Omar's and Jamal Bowman's of the world, the squad members, the folks protesting on campus. They are going to protest his convention. They are going to make his life miserable. Clearly what he is doing, which is essentially calling for conditioning, aid on Israel. He has put so much pressure on Israel. They have not gone into Rafa. He has turned

and become a strident critic of the way Israel is prosecuting this war. That is not enough for them. He cannot get far enough to appease them. At the same time, the chaos that they are sewing, and the general impression, I think, among the public, that there is chaos afoot in the country on our college campuses and elsewhere is really, really hurting Biden. But issuing a statement like the one he did and doing it in front of the campus, or doing it in front of the camera, excuse me, saying, this is totally unacceptable. We need to restore order. Look, we saw Ronald Reagan do that when he was gearing up for a presidential run,

would further inflame the very people he is trying to appease and whom he needs not to disrupt his convention. I think he has screwed himself here. He's in a very, very difficult situation. And even with like suburban moms who see what's happening on campuses. So it's not even necessarily just democratic, typical Democratic Jewish voters. Look at a suburban mom is going to look at Biden, you know, and say this is offensive. This is out of control and dangerous.

And by the way, we saw. I was a suburban moms. Yeah, go ahead. Oh, you know, we saw the Columbia president try to do. a kind of Biden. She was also between a rock and a hard place where she said, I'm not going to go before the committee and say, hmm, ha, I don't know, is a call for genocide of the Jews harassment. She wasn't going to make the same mistakes as the folks who came before. So she went up and said, this stuff is bad. She was really apologetic. And in the testimony, that her testimony went much

better. She was well prepared. She returned to campus. And now she's paying the price. Like, there is just no way for Biden, the Democratic Party, the left to escape the actual ideological reality that they have created. Okay. So those suburban moms need to be paying attention to this, among other things, and Title IX and what happened on Friday as this administrative agency engaged in a power grab, unlike many others. And you're going to get a little preview when we,

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Offer details apply. So there was zero coverage, zero on the Sunday shows of what just happened to Title IX, in which the Biden administration, through one of its administrative agencies, redefined the term women. Transwomen, which is fake, that's men pretending to be women, are now included in Title IX, which is meant to protect women. But now if you're a man pretending to be a woman, you get the same protections that we get. You can come into our locker rooms.

You can come into our bathrooms on any school campus, on college campuses, on K through 12. It's just fine because we're going to be completely safe because there are absolutely no sickos who are going to take advantage of this bastardization of Title IX. or are there? I take you already to the University of Tampa and Young America's Foundation, which happened to catch one of these fakers coming out of the women's restroom. I think this is just on Friday. Watch. Excuse me. What are you doing in the women's bathroom? I'm sorry?

What are you doing in the women's bathroom? I'm pee. Okay, but you're a man. Yes, you are. You are clearly a man. and you were just in the women's bathroom. Do you know how much money I pay for the school and now there's a man in my bathroom?

Well, you should talk to the administration. Oh, I definitely will. I do feel the need to go into women's spaces as a man. No comment on that? Do you think women don't deserve their own private spaces? Nothing? Really? Do you support women's rights?

No? Okay, so there's just a man in our bathroom. That's wonderful. So the University of Tampa allows this. Just have drag queens as well. And then drag queens walk by the same moment. Okay, for the listening audience, that was a man who looked over six to, who had teeny weeny, hot pink, like biker shorts on, you know, the kind where like your butt hangs out with a black belt going around Barabelle style.

and a teeny weenie green bikini top with what appeared to be some sort of fake breast going on up there and hot pink sneakers and his long man midriff exposed. It does look like he actually tried to shave his body here. So thumbs up on that one. And a blue wig. This is the absurdity that these young women,

when I went to college, I was 17. There was 17-year-old walking in there, having to deal with that. And then you're supposed to pull down your pants. supposed to take your pants off or lift up your dress and do your business. And not to worry, you're good. Not to worry, Emily. You just take your prejudice.

And by the way, to that point, Riley Gaines had just tweeted out. She gave a speech at the University of, what was? It was one of the state universities in New York, Sunni Cortland. And she put up on Twitter the sign that was in the bathroom there, which was basically telling all women to ignore any objections that they might feel. Here it is. upon seeing, oh, here it is. Do you feel like someone is using the wrong bathroom? It doesn't then finish with. If so, say something. Go get help. It says, if so, don't stare at them.

Don't challenge them. Don't, what's the third one? Insult them. Don't purposefully make them feel uncomfortable. Do respect their privacy, respect their identity, carry on with your day, transgender and non-binary individuals, you have every right to be here. So in that fight we just saw between the young woman and the pink bottom guy, he wins. And now it's national policy and K through college education and beyond in the education front, that he wins thanks to no lawmaker other than Joe Biden. In full disclosure, I'm completely biased about that Tampa video because my part-time job is at Yaff's journalism program. We're very proud of that student because the first time I saw that video, I was like, that girl conducted herself brilliantly and was like so sharp in that interaction.

And the video going viral sort of, it just puts it all into perspective for people who aren't on college campuses right now. You are looking at the reality of it. And on that poster that Riley Gaines tweeted out, so important in the bottom right. corner of that. You see it says Title IX on the freaking poster telling college students who are uncomfortable. It doesn't matter if they're conservative or liberal, young women who are uncomfortable with what just happened on that video, that it is a Title IX sanction policy for you to shut up and take it. And that's exactly what the Biden administration's position on this is. And the Biden administration's position to schools is that if you do not follow our law, our regulation that

It wasn't passed through Congress. It was just done by an executive decision. If you don't follow it, we are threatening your federal funding. So if you're not responsive to these women who feel unsafe, to these girls who feel unsafe, your federal funding gets yanked because you're in violation of Title IX, which was a massive achievement of the women's rights movement. It's a farce. It's pathetic.

And the fact that none of the Sunday shows, as you mentioned, felt that they should discuss it, tells you exactly how far the media has gone and how far the left has gone. Yeah, they don't care. By the way, I forgot to mention the man in that video is probably about 50. I mean, this is like not what a college student looks like in any way, shape, or form. There was a video posted online over the weekend of two men posing as women, having some knockdown dragout in Costa Rica. And they are wearing similar outfits to the one I just described. They look absolutely absurd with their big belly sticking out, and they're going at it. And I'm thinking, coming soon to a restroom near you, ladies. This is what American locker rooms are

who are going to look like as these sick guys work out their issues in our presence where we are just in there to have our safe space, to do our business, to get change for gym, whatever. I don't want to look at it. And by the way, Eliana, let's not pretend that men don't tend to be more violent as a rule than women. We just saw that at a school in Pennsylvania this weekend where a boy pretending to be a girl beat the hell. Out of a young girl, he took one of those Stanley mugs, you know, which are big and substantial, and beat a female student who was 12

so hard with it that they're not showing the video online. She received several staples in her head, and it led to a bunch of parents and students speaking out at the school board meeting right after not understanding why No one in the media or even at the school will mention that the attacker was so-called trans, was a boy pretending to be female. Watch. I went to the guidance counselor and told her since I was second on the hit list.

Then I went to course and I was told, watch your back. He is going to come for you and this other girl. The girl who got attacked didn't see it because she was faced backwards, and all of a sudden you just hear these terrible, like, loud bangs of the Stanley bouncing off her head. And then you see Mel grabbing her hair and hitting her against the table and just repeatedly hitting her with the Stanley. There was blood going everywhere.

And laying in bed last night, I just kept repeating it in my head, and we shouldn't have had to sit there and just watch this. that, like, watch them clean up her blood with the mom. Watch her repeatedly yelling that I'm going to murder you. There was multiple complaints about him. This was a teenage boy who beat on a little girl. All right? Call it what it is.

I don't care. I'm here because people reach out to me. I'm here because apparently too many people are afraid to just say that. Men and women are different, all right? How come none of the articles said that it was a boy attacking a girl. How come half the people here kept switching between he and she? And again, I have nothing against any type of community. But what's right is right and what's fair is fair.

This is not the place for a platform for transphobia. I do not agree with that. And I know many others there too. And they booed her. This was at the Penbrook Middle School in North Wales, PA. Megan, I actually think that the two things we've talked about are connected, one of which is the treatment of Jewish students on college campuses. And the second is this reaction to men and trans folks using women's bathrooms. And it's like what we see of the result of having these hierarchies of oppressions.

And a lot of these anti-Semitism committees on campuses have said what we're seeing on campuses is this double standard where when Jews say, hey, this is discrimination. we're not comfortable with this. This is a problem. They're not believed or they're told privileged and we're going to discount what you say. You're the only group not allowed to say we're being discriminated against. And it's the same thing that we're seeing

with this bathroom issue where when women are saying it, and look, I remember visiting colleges with my parents. And in fact, like, I had mixed sex bathrooms in college. It felt weird and awkward. It wasn't with trans. It was just like we're a call. across the hall from a boys suite and we go in and out. And there's just a natural feeling of like, this is strange to get out of the shower and see a guy brushing his teeth there.

But the response is now when women are speaking up, you're not the oppressed. The trans are the oppressed. You cannot speak out about this. You are lower on the hierarchy. Be quiet. You're right. What you say is not valid. And that that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, was my reaction to see in that sign. Your claims of discomfort feeling attacked are not valid. You must shut up because there is a class that is higher on the oppression scale. Let me show you what you're going to get. Let me show you what you're going to get as a result. Okay. Coming soon to a bathroom or locker room near you, Tara J. Here's Tara's original video. Tara is someone who likes to post naked D's all over his Twitter account.

I mean, left and right, it's like a gay porn Twitter account, and pictures of himself in a diaper who now has decided he's a she. And this is how we first came to know Tara last March when he made his original threat on the bathroom issue, is Sot 12. I dare you to try and stop me from going into a women's bathroom. It will be the last mistake you ever make. I dare you to try and stop a transgender woman in my presence from using the bathroom. It will be the last mistake you ever make.

This is a call to action and a call to arms. You need to arm up, plain and simple. Go out, buy a gun, learn how to use it efficiently. Well, he's back, Emily, and now he's threatening, well, you'll hear. Take a listen to Saddle Levin. Yeah, I'm that person, and I stand by every fucking word I've ever said. Nowhere in that video did I threaten women and children. Getting my name defamed and slandered in news articles, I've even had famous people mention me.

People calling me a petto, as long as I can find out who you are and where you live, you're going to get in trouble. You're going to get, you know, you're going to get a knock on your door for that. Calling me a petto because I am a woman and I use a woman's restroom and I use women's locker. No one has ever fucking stopped me. No one. No one will ever fucking stop me. Great.

Great. That's what we're going to come around. By the way, the people he threatened were Tim Poole, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, lives with a lawsuit. And you tell me, I mean, it sounds like they're going to get a lot more than a lawsuit if they run into this man posing as a woman. And that's the Biden administration's answer to the dad that you play. before who says men and women are different, et cetera, a middle school is, now screw you,

this guy is right, the guy who's saying take up arms, but that's not a threat to women and children. You know, we need to take up arms to anybody who stops a man from entering a woman's bathroom because their identity is of a woman. No, that person is correct. And I could not possibly agree with Eliana more that this is exactly connected to what we talked about on college campuses. They don't want to own the logical conclusion of their own oppressor-oppressed dichotomy, which is that now men who identify as women, they are taking the priority. They get priority over actual women because they say they feel like women, because somehow they've rewritten Title IX, not by Congress, but by executive fiat to include men.

I mean, it should be a massive scandal that the media is covering like crazy, that parents are outraged about and parents are outraged. But you barely even hearing anything about it from the Republican Party. And the Republican Party, you know, opposed it during the Obama years, but should have been going full court press then too. Thanks to the policies of this administration, never mind their corporate enablers like Planet Fitness and so on. You or your kid could be mining your own business in the locker room, getting ready for a

workout or post-shower, toweling off. And that, that lunatic can come in wearing, his diaper, claiming he's a woman, but packing a gun. And you're in the wrong. You just shut up and take it. And you can say thank you, Joe Biden, because he's the one who made it happen. Ladies, thank you so much today. And always love having you. Thanks, Megan. Thanks, thank you. All right, tomorrow we have the full Trump trial covered with our pals, Dave and Mike. We'll see you then. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.