The Ramsey Show - App - How Should I Invest My Inheritance? (Hour 1)

Episode Date: December 16, 2019

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Live from the headquarters of Ramsey Solutions, broadcasting from the Dollar Car Rental Studios, it's the Dave Ramsey Show, where debt is dumb, cash is king, and the paid-off home mortgage has taken the place of the BMW as the status symbol of choice. I'm Dave Ramsey, your host. Thank you for joining us. Open phones at 888-825-5225. That's 888-825-5225. Amy is with us in Louisville, Kentucky. Hi, Amy.
Starting point is 00:00:57 How are you? Hello, Dave. Thank you for taking my call. You've been a pure blessing to our financial health. Thank you. How can I help pure blessing to our financial health. Thank you. How can I help today? I have a question. I took out a term life insurance policy in 2000.
Starting point is 00:01:16 I was paying on it. And in 2016, I was deemed disabled, so I'm unable to work. And my insurance agent offered me the opportunity to be able to have free insurance payments that they would take it over due to my disability. And at first he made it sound like it was great, you know, they would just take over my regular policy and it would be no problem. Well, further into it, he said, oh, the only way they'll pay for it is if you transfer this policy over into a whole life insurance program policy.
Starting point is 00:02:05 So I've known this agent for many years. He was the one that I, you know, dealt with 20, almost 20 years ago. So I went ahead and I said, okay, I will do this. So I went into a whole life policy. That insurance agency is actually paying my monthly installment. It's been six years since we took your financial peace class, and so there was a few things that I had forgotten over the years. We were doing your smart money makeover right now,
Starting point is 00:02:51 and I realized, oh, no, I put myself into a position that may not be so healthy for the long term. So I wanted to call and find out your advice. So you have a whole life policy that doesn't cost you anything? That is correct. I would keep a free whole life policy that doesn't cost you anything? That is correct. I would keep a free whole life policy. Okay. I mean, if you can get a term policy that's a bigger policy for free, that's fine. But if you've got free insurance, you're not getting ripped off at this point.
Starting point is 00:03:21 My guess is you had a waiver of premium rider on the original term policy uh meaning that you were paying a little bit extra that said if you became disabled that they would pick up your premiums they did not do this out of the goodness of their heart they did this because of coverage you had purchased and and my guess is the waiver of premium probably because it's a whole life company you're dealing with not a term company probably said the only way the waiver premium kicks in is for it to be whole life but if it's free meaning it's not costing you a single dime then yeah i would leave that alone and and plus you're probably not insurable or there's a possibility you're not insurable but um you know free whole life i would take uh but other than that, I would never have a whole life policy.
Starting point is 00:04:07 Thanks for calling. Sarah is in Oklahoma City. Hi, Sarah. How are you? Good. How are you, Dave? Better than I deserve. What's up?
Starting point is 00:04:16 I just had a quick question. I currently own my own cleaning business. I've been doing that for about nine years. But I'm also in school right now trying to finish up my prereqs for nursing. And so I could tentatively start this fall in the nursing program for like an RN. It'd take me two years if I get accepted. But I have three small kids. And so I didn't know if I should just hold off on applying or if you'd say go for it, because I make good money cleaning, so I just kind of back and forth.
Starting point is 00:04:53 Okay, let's say that you went through nursing school, and you pass, and you get your nursing degree. Okay? Mm-hmm. And what are you going to do? Go to work as a nurse, right? Right. And how many hours a week are you going to be working, and what hours are you going to do? Go to work as a nurse, right? Right. And how many hours a week are you going to be working, and what hours are you going to be working?
Starting point is 00:05:10 And with small kids, is that where you want to end up? I'm okay, but I don't want you to go through all of this and then go, oh, I can't really use the nursing degree like I could when I, because I can't control my hours with my small kids. True, true. I mean, if you want to control my hours with my small kids. True, true. I mean, if you want to control your hours, you've got to have a place you can do nursing where you can control your hours. I don't know what that is, you know, off the top of my head,
Starting point is 00:05:37 but maybe there is one. I don't know. Maybe there's some places that have flex hours or things that would work with your schedule with small children. I mean, the nursing field is a wonderful field, and I would encourage you to move that direction. But I would not invest all of this time, money, and energy only to realize, oh, I've got small kids and I really don't want to work all the time. I don't want to work normal nursing hours or whatever that is.
Starting point is 00:06:04 So you need to investigate and decide where it is you're going to end up when you finish all this effort and if you're going to end up in a good place when you finish all this effort then yeah i would go after nursing i sure would the beauty of being self-employed where you are right now and doing cleaning houses is that you can control it you can set your hours you can set your hours. You can set your times. And if the kids, you know, you can even talk to somebody and say, my kids have a play this Tuesday morning, and so I can't come this Tuesday morning. I can come in the afternoon.
Starting point is 00:06:36 I mean, you can do all kinds of stuff. You can't really do that if you work at a hospital. You can't just call up and go, well, my kids have a play. And so, you know, you can, I guess, in some places. But you've just got to find a place that you're going to and so you know you can i guess but in some places but you just got to find a place that you're going to have you know the three small kids thing just long as you got that part figured out with the nursing then go for the nursing that's all i'm saying christina is with us in charleston south carolina hi christina how are you hi dave i'm good how are you better than i deserve what's up um so i just started your class i'm in my fifth week i'm currently working towards baby
Starting point is 00:07:06 step one good um i work two jobs trying to pay off my debts of consist of hospital bills and the irs okay now the irs i'm not making grounds on how much how much money do you owe the irs about three thousand okay how much money do you pay on it for two years already how much money do you owe the IRS? About $3,000. Okay, how much money do you... I've been paying on it for two years already. How much money do you owe the hospital bills? About $11,000. Okay, good. And you're single? I am.
Starting point is 00:07:35 And your income? Total with both jobs is like $35,000. Okay, and your main job is what? About $29,000 thousand what do you do lester buildings we build steel buildings what do you do i work in the office currently and i'm over term department okay all right so you have a twenty nine thousand dollar office job and then you have a part-time job that's bringing in six thousand dollars a year five hundred dollars a month with doing what uh working at Casey's General Store.
Starting point is 00:08:06 Okay. All right. Good for you. Thank you. And so now we're on a budget, and you're trying to work through this. You don't owe anything on your car. Nope. Paid for.
Starting point is 00:08:15 Good. Okay. And no credit cards, no nothing of the sort. Okay. My student loans paid off. All right. I'm going to continue to just crank down on that budget as hard as I can and crank up on the income as hard as I can.
Starting point is 00:08:28 Maybe different extra job, I don't know. And so we can work our way through this. You can do this. It's probably going to take you about two years to get completely clear, looking at the numbers you're giving me right now. But it's doable. You got this. I'll help you.
Starting point is 00:08:40 You call me back anytime. I got a call the other day, and I thought it was worth talking about again. It was from a wife looking for life insurance for her family. She asked why I only recommend term life insurance instead of cash value plans like whole life. I usually explain how you overpay for coverage, earn a horrible rate of interest, and don't get your cash value when you die. But this time, I just had her go straight to Zander.com and get a rate. And then we compared that rate to the whole life plan, and she immediately saw the huge savings. She realized all the things she could do with that money, like paying down debt, investing in a smarter way. That made it
Starting point is 00:09:30 real for her. It makes no sense to buy or keep a cash value plan when there are smarter, less expensive ways to protect your family. That's why I suggest that everyone go to zander.com or call them at 800-356-4282 and get a free quote that's zander.com or 800-356-4282 Thank you for joining us. Rachel is on the line in Pennsylvania. Hi, Rachel. How are you? Hi, good. Thanks for taking my call.
Starting point is 00:10:17 Sure. What's up? I have a five- and six-year-old, and I want to start saving for their college, but I'm not sure how to go about it and what is a good ballpark figure my husband and I should be saving each year towards it. Well, if you sit down with someone in the financial business, like a SmartVestor Pro as an example, and they can stick into the calculator, you know, you can ascertain what you want to have when they're 18, and then that will tell you how much you need to save per month to get there. So you need to start having the discussion of where you think these kids are,
Starting point is 00:10:56 what you're willing to pay for in terms of where they're going to school. If you're willing to pay for Harvard, you're going to have to save more. If you're willing to pay for Vanderbilt, you're going to have to save more than if they go to the University of Pennsylvania or they go to Penn State. Okay? And so, you know, an in-state school, in-state tuition is roughly anywhere from 25% to 30% of what a private college will be. Okay.
Starting point is 00:11:23 And so, you know, you just got to start looking and saying this is, where did you go to school, by the way? I went to Mr. Cordy University. Okay. What about your husband? And my husband went to Penn State. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 00:11:36 And so you sit down, you have that discussion. What do we want for our kids? Sharon and I both graduated from the University of Tennessee, an in-state school. Okay. We met there, got married right out of school, and so forth. And so we were very comfortable paying for in-state tuition for a state university. We were not willing to pay five times more for a private university. In our household, the value was not there.
Starting point is 00:12:04 And as a matter of fact, there's no ROI. You can't prove it. But that was our decision. And based on that, you figure out how much you want to save. And you talk to that school and go, okay, what's the inflation rate on your tuition? And current tuition is this. And so in 15 years, we can approximate it's going to be Y. Instead of today, it's X.
Starting point is 00:12:24 And then based on that, you can put that in the calculator and back out how much you need to be y instead of today it's x and then based on that you can put that in the calculator and back out how much you need to be saving towards each kid as young as yours are i will tell you that a couple hundred bucks a month uh will just about do it for an in-state tuition roughly um so a couple hundred bucks a month per kid going into their college, into their tax-free growth 529 or an ESA you can do up to $2,000 a year into the educational savings account into good growth stock mutual funds that are performing at or above the S&P 500. If you're in that range, a couple hundred bucks a month will get you very close to most in-state tuitions as young as your children are. But if you want to dial in really, really close, then you do a little more detailed research and back out of it. And, you know, you can decide from there. The thing is, there's so many variables that change in our life over 15 or 20 years from the time a child is born till they go to school that in your
Starting point is 00:13:25 personal wealth your personal incomes all of those kinds of things so with all of that um you know your projections today are going to be off but you can make very detailed projections or you can just take a good shot at it like that hey thanks for the call jake is in Des Moines, Iowa. Hi, Jake. How are you? I'm great, Dave. How are you today? Better than I deserve. How can I help? Well, first, just a huge thank you for your ministry there. It's had a profound impact on our family. I'm just really grateful for what you do. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:13:59 Our family is in, I guess, baby step seven. And it just seems recently, though, that I'm really anxious about what the next few years are going to bring as I'm looking at some college expenses for our kids and weddings and buying vehicles for them as they go to college and the increased insurance payments and just all these things. And then also the wife is wanting to, I guess, enjoy things a little more now that we are where we are. And I just have some anxiety about not blowing our budget, still staying somewhat within budget, but yet spending more money on lifestyle and things like that. So you have no house payment?
Starting point is 00:14:38 You have no house payment? No. Correct. How much money is in your 401Ks in retirement? About $350,000. And you're how old? Home is worth about $240,000. You're how old?
Starting point is 00:14:51 Oh, I'm 48. Sorry. Okay. That's all right. So, all right. And you're putting 15% of your income or more into retirement? Correct. Okay.
Starting point is 00:15:01 And you have money saved for college or you're saving it for college? Yeah, we have about $150,000 set aside for college. Okay. And you have money saved for college, or you're saving it for college? Yeah, we have about $150,000 set aside for college. Okay. Total? Total, yes. How many kids? Three. And what ages?
Starting point is 00:15:16 17, 15, and 13. Okay. So household income? 95. Okay. So you're a little behind on college. I mean, you're not going to be completely ready by the time the 17-year-old gets there. And so, yeah, there's some turning up the heat there to be done.
Starting point is 00:15:38 The thing is, you're on track to be a multimillionaire by the time you hit retirement. There's no question that that's going to happen, but you're on track to be a multimillionaire. Um, by the time you hit retirement, there's no question that that's going to happen, but you're right. There's a, a few things here. Um, when you get to baby step seven and you're debt free, have a paid for house and you make $90,000 a year, that does not mean that you can go,
Starting point is 00:15:59 you know, spend $45,000 on a cruise. You don't have that. You don't make that kind of money, you know? And so you don't so can you do some things to enjoy? Yeah. And you should lighten up the budget and have some enjoyment money in there as well. But you never make enough to not have to make choices between the extravagant vacation and buying the kid a car.
Starting point is 00:16:28 You know? Yeah. There's always that choice. And so you just got to sit down with your wife. And the thing I don't want to have happen with the budget is her to not be involved and her to go, well, we should just be able to buy anything now. We got everything paid off. We did it all.
Starting point is 00:16:42 And no, you're still involved, and you still have to help me make these choices between the vacation and the kid car. Or if we go on this vacation, the kid gets that car. If we go on that vacation, the kid gets a different car, you know,
Starting point is 00:16:52 and you just make these choices. But she should be making those with you rather than you feeling the burden of making all these decisions by yourself. And you go,
Starting point is 00:17:01 oh, and by the way, we got to do college here. So, you know, let's make it. She does. It's just I worry about it and she doesn't yeah yeah okay well i mean i think the thing is this there's two things should you be intentional and careful and wise and have some guardrails yes should you be fretting and wringing your hands good gracious no you're debt free you're paid for everything. You're tracking towards being a multimillionaire at retirement and you make almost one hundred thousand dollars a year. You should not be wringing your hands. This is far from laying awake at night, not being able to pay your light bill. You know, I mean, you're way on the other end of that spectrum. But I want to be a grown-up and address the issues, but I don't want them to own me. And so if you're fretting over it, then I think you probably need to back up and just give yourself some credit for how far you've come.
Starting point is 00:17:52 The stuff you have defeated is harder to defeat than the stuff you have yet in front of you. That makes sense. And so that's why, I mean, you've got a track record of killing this money thing. I mean, you've got a track record of killing this money thing. I mean, you've killed it. And so you're in the top 1% of Americans in the quality of life and the way you're handling money. You know, you've done a great job. So now, does that mean you take your hands off the wheel and hope it doesn't go in the ditch? No, we're going to still hold the wheel 10 and 2, baby, on the wheel.
Starting point is 00:18:24 You know what I mean? We're still doing that but um do we have to grip the wheel white knuckle now no i mean we've learned to drive and you're going to drive your way right through this the stuff you've done to get to this point is tougher than the stuff you've got to do to get past college and cars insurance and your wife enjoying some money um you're probably always going to be a tightwad. She's there to help you enjoy money. I swear, I'm the one that still does that. Sharon is still a tightwad. I'm in Sharon's life to help her enjoy money.
Starting point is 00:18:58 I'm a natural spender. She's a natural saver. So we've always got that. We'll always have that. Good question, sir. It's an interesting discussion. Thanks for letting me be part of it. Open phones at 888-825-5225.
Starting point is 00:19:15 Common sense for your dollars and cents. Common sense is so rare in America today. It's like having a superpower. This is The Dave Ramsey Show. Bye. Thanks for joining us, America. Steve is with us in Madison, Wisconsin. Hi, Steve. How are you? I'm doing good, Dave. How are you? Better than I deserve. What's up?
Starting point is 00:20:19 Hey, I'm an electrician in the Madison area here, and something new that people have been doing that I work with, it's kind of like a supplemental insurance. It's called SafetyNet, and it basically protects you against layoff. And it's like $30 a month for the full payout, which is like $9,000 if you get laid off. And you have to be enforced for 30 days. And I know how you feel about supplemental insurance, but you'd have to be paying $30 a month for a long time to get that payout.
Starting point is 00:20:50 And I don't know what you feel about that. My wife and I are big followers of your plan and baby step three. But it just seems like it's a good deal, but then it seems like it's too good to be true. Well, anytime insurance is there for something that you could cover yourself, we need to just stop and remember how insurance works, okay? Let's you and I open a supplemental insurance layoff insurance company right now, okay? We're going to go in partners, and we're going to open it up, and it's going to be Steve and Dave's Insurance Company.
Starting point is 00:21:23 So the first thing we're going to do is we're going to rent a building and then we're going to start hiring people to uh sell this stuff and we're going to hire a receptionist and a computer tech and we're going to have payroll and overhead for the business if we're going to start that business right that company is selling that has all that would you agree okay and then we're going to have to say okay what we're going to sell is layoff then we're going to have to say, okay, what we're going to sell is layoff insurance. We're going to offer $9,000 worth of coverage in case someone's laid off. And we're going to charge $30. And then before we figure out the $30 a month, then we've got to get some research,
Starting point is 00:21:54 and we've got to figure out statistically how often have we got to pay this out. Okay? Right. If we sell 1,000 people this insurance insurance then we're on the hook for a thousand times nine thousand but no no chance all of them are going to get laid off but out of that in a given year how many of them are laid off okay and we would calculate out how much we'd have to come out of pocket okay so if two of them were laid off, then our cost to offer it to 1,000 people would be $18,000, right? Yep.
Starting point is 00:22:32 If 10 of them were laid off, it'd be $90,000, which is probably more like it, okay? And then we would take that $90,000, which is our actual cost to cover 1,000 people, plus our building rent and our payroll and our overhead. Oh, we need to make a profit, so we're going to put profit on there too. And then we're going to divide that number by 1,000 people. And that's where we get $30. Now, what that means to you, then, if you're buying the insurance, is that on average they have to make a profit on you at $30, which tells us $30 times a pay period or per month?
Starting point is 00:23:17 That's per month. Okay. So 12 times that's $360 a year to cover $9,000. So that right there tells us that not many people actually cash in on this $9,000. I know of at least three people that have. Yeah, but I'm saying statistically, if very many people cash in on it, they go out of business, dude. Yeah, I agree.
Starting point is 00:23:39 Because they're not taking in enough to pay out the $9,000 to everybody. And believe me, they calculated that. They know what they're doing. They didn't accidentally do this. So on average, when you buy insurance of any kind, you have to be losing money on average. So they have to be making a profit. So on average, if you buy insurance for your air conditioner on your house breaking, on average, you lose money on that.
Starting point is 00:24:07 You would have been better off over the scope of your lifetime. On average, you have to or they go out of business. That's how the math works. So all of that having said, the only thing we buy insurance for or we suggest you buy insurance for are things you cannot afford to cover. And you can afford to cover a layoff it's called your emergency fund of three to six months of expenses so if i'm in your shoes i'm not buying that i am going to have my emergency fund because on average they're making money on me on gimmick insurance and that's why i don't buy extended warranties and why I don't buy supplemental policies
Starting point is 00:24:46 and why I don't suggest people do because you self-insure through those things simply because on average you have to make money doing that otherwise they go out of business. And so if you want to buy it, you buy it. But mathematically, you're losing. Mathematically. You have to be, on average, losing, or they would be out of business. Hunter is in Houston, Texas. Hi, Hunter. How are you?
Starting point is 00:25:13 Hi, Dave. I'm doing well, thank you, and good day to you. My question today is basically comes down to the refinancing the home from a 30-year to a 15-year fixed rate, which I've already gotten approved for. I just had to follow through with it. I wanted to get a little advice on it before I do. I would not refinance simply to go from a 30 to a 15. I would refinance to save on interest. If you're doing that while you're at it, get a 15.
Starting point is 00:25:39 What's your current interest rate? 3.6. On your home now? Yes, sir. And what is the offer to refinance for? What interest rate? 3.6. On your home now? Yes, sir. And what is the offer to refinance for? What interest rate? Basically 3.5. I mean, it's really not. I would not do that. I would not refinance that. No. Because you're not gaining anything. If you take that 30-year mortgage that you have at 3.6, and when you calculate out what a 15-year payment would be versus a 30-year payment, and you pay that extra amount, the difference as principal, you'll pay that loan off in 15 years. I didn't mention that I do pay a PMI on the 30-year because it was a remodified home loan.
Starting point is 00:26:17 I was kind of in between jobs, and this would be an FHA loan, and remodified with the HARP thing, I guess. And then this would be a conventional loan. With no PMI? Correct. Okay. Now, the PMI might be a reason to give you the savings. What's your savings on the PMI?
Starting point is 00:26:39 About $140 a month. Okay. Now we're talking because that's $1,800 a year. All right. So what's your refinance cost? $1,040 a month. Okay. Now we're talking, because that's $1,800 a year. All right. So what's your refinance cost? How much more does it add on to it? The closing costs. Yeah, I think it's around $5,000 they add on to it.
Starting point is 00:26:57 Okay. So if you save almost $2,000 a year, it takes you about two and a half years to make your money back with your savings on PMI alone. Right? You see how I did that? $5,000 divided by $1,800. Yes, sir. And so, yeah, I would do this refinance in that case. That changes the calculation.
Starting point is 00:27:16 I run a really lean, I guess, though, as far as how much I make versus how much I pay on the house. I heard you say earlier your house should be a quarter of what you make. I'm more at 50%. 50% now? Before the refi? My home for everything is, if I refinance, it would be about $1,550 for everything. And I'm currently paying $1,300 a month, and I make about, take home about $3,000 a month. No, I would not do that.
Starting point is 00:27:57 I'm not sure you need to keep this house. Yeah. It's a lot of house, unless your income is going to go up dramatically i mean whether you've got a 1500 or 1300 on a three thousand dollar take-home pay you're going to struggle eat neither one of those this doesn't fix that situation so unless you see your income going up dramatically you probably need to think about moving out of this house and that's probably not a real popular answer probably like oh god i can't do that. I understand. I get it. But, dude, it's very difficult to make your budget work. And the difference in $1,300, $1,500 doesn't save you.
Starting point is 00:28:31 That's not going to save you at all. But if you do see your income going up dramatically, quickly, to where you're not going to be at 50%, like you're getting married and she's going to do this or she's getting a, or you're going to take to another job that's making more money or whatever. If your income starts going up dramatically, then I'd go ahead and refinance and do the 15-year on a $1,500. But if your income is not going to go up, man, you can't keep this place. It's going to be very difficult for you to prosper with a house payment this high. Very, very difficult. I mean, you're struggling, man. The house owns you. You don't own it. I don't want that for you. You do whatever you want. That's my opinion.
Starting point is 00:29:14 It's worth what you paid for it. This is the Dave Ramsey Show. Thank you. Thanks for joining us, America. We're glad you're here. Open phones at 888-825-5225. You jump in. We'll talk about your life, your money. Clayton says, Dave, do you prefer mutual funds to ETFs, even though the concept is similar? Well, the concept is similar in that an exchange-traded fund and a mutual fund all have a diversified base, meaning that what they're invested in is not one stock or one bond. It's across a bunch of different things.
Starting point is 00:30:35 So you're diversified. They're both invested in good growth stock mutual fund type things. The difference is this. The ETFs, 90-something percent of them, almost all of them, are associated with the S&P 500. They're basically, they mirror an index or an index fund of some kind. They do have, if you're going to buy an index fund, an ETF is a fine way to do it. There's no trouble with that at all if you're going to buy an index fund, if you're going to buy an S&P 500. Now, the S&P 500 is the standard and poor S&P, is a rating company. They rate the top 500 stocks on the New York Stock Exchange, also known as the big board, meaning the largest 500 companies that are publicly traded in the U.S.
Starting point is 00:31:32 Those 500 form an index that is the most representative measure of what happens with the stock market. It is considered by those of us in the business to be the representation of the market. The Dow Jones Industrial Average you hear about on the news is not as nearly as good a representation as these 500 stocks of the largest thing so the the s&p 500 is considered a 1.0 beta meaning that it mirrors the market anything with a less beta than that is less volatile than the market. Anything with a larger beta than 1.0 is more volatile than the market. So it is the stock market. You're going to make what the stock market makes. No more, no less when you buy an S&P 500 index fund,
Starting point is 00:32:18 whether you buy a mutual fund or whether you buy an ETF. Almost all ETFs fall in that category. It's that simple. That's where they all are. And if they don't, then they're, A, very unusual. I'd be careful. But B, you're getting into them for other reasons other than long-term investing. You're wanting to jump in and out of something and, you know, you're wanting to day trade or something like that. But SPDR is the best known of the S&P 500 ETFs out there. It's been around forever. But it's just an S&P 500.
Starting point is 00:32:56 That's all it is. That's all it is. I mean, you can buy a mutual fund. You can buy the ETF. The ETF's a little cheaper. It's fine if you want to do that. I don't buy the S&P 500 for long-term investing because I buy mutual funds that beat the S&P 500, that have 10- and 20-year and 30-year and 40-year track records or buying the S&P no-load funds is a concept called passive investing.
Starting point is 00:33:30 And it comes from the idea that you can't beat the market. Most mutual funds don't beat the market. Well, most mutual funds don't beat the market. They don't. But most people aren't successful either so you you just have to decide are you going to be passive and just ride exactly what the market does are you going to look for mutual funds that outperform the market and there's plenty that do and so you know we we've done a bunch of research on this my mutual funds i invest in growth
Starting point is 00:34:06 that outperform the s&p growth and income that outperform the s&p uh aggressive growth that outperforms the s&p and international that outperforms s&p on 20 30 year track records and then i look at them to see if they're still outperforming the S&P as a mix overall. And mine have beat the S&P. It's really not hard to find. I mean, you can just sit down with a smart investor pro. They can show you how to do it. Now, there's plenty that don't outperform the S&P.
Starting point is 00:34:37 So if you're just going to buy the S&P, the ETF is fine. But I don't really have an argument against the ETF. It's just it's a passive investment. And just to give you an idea, the last 20 years, my mutual funds have averaged 8.53 and the S&P 7.12. Last 30 years, my mutual funds have averaged 11.3, the S&P 10.89. The last 40 years, the mutual funds I've invested in have averaged 30.04 as a group, and this is in my personal 401K, and the S&P has averaged 13.04 as a group,
Starting point is 00:35:15 and the S&P has averaged 11.8. So I'm beating the S&P by about 1% a year on average year in and year out with those mutual funds, and I buy mutual funds that have a track record of outperforming the s&p so no i don't buy etfs because they're almost all s&p indexed for that reason it's not that i'm against etfs it's against i'm against passive investing because i think you can do better than that with your mutual funds. If you want to buy just an S&P, ETF is a fine way to do it. And that's one way you can do it. That's another way to skin the cat, so to speak.
Starting point is 00:35:53 All right, let's go to Dawn in Denver. Hey, Dawn, welcome to the Dave Ramsey Show. Hi, Dave. I'm thrilled to speak with you. You too. What's up? My mom passed away a few months ago, and her estate is being divided between me and my three siblings, and each of us stands to inherit about $300,000.
Starting point is 00:36:19 Okay. My situation is that I'm 58. My husband is 67. We have no children. We've been retired for a couple of years. We have been very fortunate to make good money and to save it, and we have total assets of close to $3 million. Good for you.
Starting point is 00:36:45 Well done. Thank you. We've3 million. Good for you. Well done. Thank you. We've been practicing your principles for years. Okay. What would you do with $300,000 that you didn't need? Well, the same thing I did with the $3 million, I guess. I would give some of it, I would invest some of it, and I would enjoy some of it. I would like to invest it in a way that will honor my parents,
Starting point is 00:37:13 who were the classic millionaires next door. Okay. How is your $3 million invested? Two-thirds is in real estate, rental properties that we now live off of the rent. Good. And the other third is in cash and stocks, stocks in our IRAs. By stocks, you mean growth stock mutual funds or individual stocks? Growth stock mutual funds.
Starting point is 00:37:42 Okay. All right. So how would you invest the $300K? My hesitation about investing in stocks is that, first of all, right now, you know, the market's up, and I feel like it's too expensive. Like Denver real estate isn't denver real estate is very expensive and i can't buy anything in the area i like for three hundred thousand dollars okay so what are you going to do with your 300 grand well as money's been coming in uh so far i've gotten 56 000 it's just gone into our interest bearing checking account but i don't want that to stay there because I don't want to be tempted to blow it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:38:30 I don't think you're going to be tempted to blow it. You're good with money. You guys have done a great job. I want you to give some of it. I want you to invest some of it. And I want you to enjoy some of it. So I want you to buy something nice or go on a trip you've been hesitating to do. And I want you to buy something nice or go on a trip you've been hesitating to do. And I want you to do some investing. You may put some of your other money with some of this money and buy
Starting point is 00:38:49 a piece of real estate. It sounds like that'd be a fine thing to do. Um, and, uh, and I would look for something to give to that would honor her memory as well. And so if you just keep those three things going your whole life life you'll always win with money always be giving always be investing and saving and always be enjoying money it's not really good for anything else that's about it that pretty well wraps it up you know so hey you've done very well congratulations three million bucks i love it. This is The Dave Ramsey Show. Hey, guys. It's Blake Thompson, senior executive producer for The Dave Ramsey Show.
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