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Episode Date: June 1, 2020

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Live from the headquarters of Ramsey Solutions, broadcasting from the Dollar Car Rental Studios, it's the Dave Ramsey Show, where debt is dumb, cash is king, and the paid-off home mortgage has taken the place of the BMW as the status symbol of choice. I'm Dave Ramsey, your host. You jump in, and we'll let you open up the phones in a little while. We're going to do something a little different this hour. Anthony O'Neill, Ramsey Personality, number one best-selling author, and Dr. John Deloney, Ramsey Personality, and professional.

Two PhDs, one in counseling, including crisis management. Join me for a special hour this hour, something we don't usually do. We spend 98% of our time on this show dealing with life and money. So we talk about stuff like marriages and kids and money and business leadership. We're not afraid of social issues. We're not lacking on opinions on social issues. It's just not our job. It's that simple but um i began getting

criticism for not speaking out on the murder of george floyd last week and then of course anthony did too for those of you don't know anthony's african-american if you're listening on the radio on youtube it's fairly obvious but um but uh uh so he wasn't loud enough to suit some of his brothers or sisters in that community and quick enough on the draw to have a statement on that and now on the riots as well. And, of course, in our culture today, anyone who has a platform, anyone who is in the spotlight is expected to speak up and agree with you, whoever you are. And then if they don't agree with you, then you don't like them anymore, and you don't watch their movies or listen to their show or buy their books or whatever. And that's just not the business we're in. If we were doing political talk radio, it would be the flavor of the day,

and we would spend all our time dealing with this stuff. But we are going to take an hour of the 15 hours of radio that will be done here this week and talk about this issue of the evils of racism, the horrible thing that Ahmaud Arbery goes for a jog, gets killed, and this happens too much. And nobody in this building is okay with that. As a matter of fact, most nobody in the U.S. is okay with it, but there's nothing being done about it.

And so, Anthony, on that, you had a wonderful post. It's seven and a half minutes long if you guys haven't seen it on over the weekend you did speak up um and um uh even that wasn't good enough for some folks um i just put a fairly innocuous twitter out that you know the killing of george flo awful. Riding is awful. But now I'm a racist because of that, apparently, which I don't understand at all. But let's talk about this for a minute. Let's start with you. You know, Dave, one of the main reasons why it took me a few days to post something about is because, like you said, that's not really my fight.

And I am not really moving fast enough because I want to make sure that uh when i do speak up when i do have a voice and i'm saying the right thing and also backing it up with action and so being black i mean as as as it's clear as day this is bothers me it for sure it um i'm upset i'm'm angry. I'm nervous. When I see George, when I see Aubrey, I see my brother. I only have one blood brother. I get nervous. I see my nephews and I have two nephews who are growing up right now. Theo and Uriah, male nephews. And I get nervous and it bothers me that that this could happen to not just myself, but to any of my loved ones. And it has been happening in the past. And it's time for it to change. And it bothers me that this is happening.

We need change. But I think the thing that has really been bothering me here lately over the last couple of days is just being attacked because, you know, I'm supposedly connected to a racist. And so that would be me and and when they attack you you are connected to a supposed race yeah which is absolutely asinine it by the way it really i mean because i mean let's look at the ramsey personalities okay there are two white women two white men and two black guys uh well d Dave, you're really good at diversity. No, don't insult them. I hired the best people for the job.

I didn't look at their skin color. I didn't look at their sex. Rachel Cruz is a world-class communicator and speaker. It has nothing to do with the fact that she's female. Anthony O'Neill can hold a stage and mesmerize people. It has nothing to do. They don't all go, wow, there's a black guy. Anthony O'Neill can hold a stage and mesmerize people. It has nothing to do. They don't all go, wow, there's a black guy.

Now I have to pay attention. No, they pay attention because this guy's a thought leader and delivers. So the idea that there's anything racist in this organization is asinine. Yeah, it really is. But I think America needs to hear us say this and clearly hear me say this. What happened to not just to George, to Ahmad, to Brianna Taylor, to all these people was wrong. It's past wrong. It's horrifying. It was wrong, and it needs to change and stop.

And I get why people are mad. Yeah. I mean, if somebody was attacking my family, man, my hillbilly come out, I'd be mad. You know, if somebody was attacking, you know, if I thought, like you're talking about your nephews, which I know your nephews. Yes, yes, sir. I know your wonderful family. But, I mean, if I thought somebody was attacking my kids,

or if I was visualizing that that could happen to one of my grandbabies, what's happening, like you're visualizing that there? Man, that'll make you mad. That'll make you mad in the deepest part of your soul i get that i completely understand that yeah yeah it hurts it hurts it really does and i was in tears and um and i had a good talk with you know just a couple of my african-american friends and just really just hearing us out and you know and dave i want to thank you for hearing me out, hearing your African-American workers out here,

because what the world thinks about you, what some of the world thinks about you is completely false. You are not who they think you are as far as in being racist. So that's clear as day. But I do understand that the world is angry that they're upset um and i stand this is this is not about me that's not i appreciate that but this is i mean people are hurting yeah yeah and they're scared yeah and generally around racism john we're talking about this there's we're coming up on a break so but i'm gonna open a thought and let you kind of come

back and you guys talk about it um racism is obviously ignorance yes it is regardless of which direction it's pointed um you know uh it is obviously there's a lot of fear around it's almost like fear of the unknown because you're ignorant. And also within this hour, I want to ask you guys, and maybe even some of our callers chime in, I'm not going to start a poll on whether you think this is right or that's right. I don't want to do that. You know, we don't have any answers here, but we've observed a few instances when things work the way they're supposed to and many instances where they didn't. And so I'm kind of thinking I don't want to solution this because I'm not a policymaker.

I'm not Gandhi. I'm not MLK. I'm not on that level. I'm not that guy. But, I mean, there ought to be something we can learn from going through COVID. There ought to be something we can learn from going through COVID. Yeah. There ought to be something we can learn from going through this so that we can, you know, because if ignorance is the problem, then knowledge is the solution, right? Yeah.

And relationships. Yeah. That's what I mean. Fear. Relationships is the issue. Yeah. It's exactly the issue. So we're going to talk about it this hour.

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If you don't know what that is, it's drama without thinking, which is what a whole bunch of people are doing right now. And so I'm not going to get into that. But let's go back to where we left off going into the break um so i grew up in tennessee in nashville tennessee in the 60s i was a six years old in 1966 eight years old in 1968 the assassination of bobby kennedy the assassination of martin luther king and uh i grew up in a lily-white suburban neighborhood with a bunch of white guys off the farm. And so some of them were racist.

Some of them were not in the neighborhood, the men in the neighborhood, the women in the neighborhood. And so I grew up around that. There were African-American kids in our school from day one. And so I grew up. And what I'm leading to is, is the more I have traveled, the more my experiences outside of my original group have expanded, the more racism that was, whatever level of racism was planted for a kid in the 60s in the South has been destroyed. meet intelligent, wonderful, caring, loving Christian people of another race, of another country, and get to know them. And like you said, going on the break, build relationships without it dissipating, without it lowering the race. The only way to maintain racism is to stay in a whole group of stupid people that believe one thing.

And you never get outside that group but if you get outside that group it starts to dissipate you agree with that yeah it's it's um it's it's actually a brain chemistry thing when when you get scared or lonely your brain quickly divides the world up into us's and them's and then it does what it can to perpetuate that and now we live in an ecosystem where our um i'm pointing at your laptop, Dave, or my laptop here. Oh, close that. It's on Twitter too, which is proof I'm brain damaged. But what it does is now we have a news system that gives us the news that we already – it tells us what we already think and what we already want to know.

And it just makes it deeper and deeper. So we're now able to live in i call them our trash cans of stupid i don't have to look anybody here from any different perspectives i don't have to talk to you i don't have to share meals with anybody i could just live in my own little hole and you're exactly right the only way the only way um to turn your brain off is to start making relationships and connections with other people and i think it can be insulting to say you know what anthony i i looked at my friend group i'm missing a black guy so would you be right that's ridiculous right who would want to be in your group on that basis i'm not sure anybody want to be in your group anyway but who would want to be in there on that so when you start social engineering things it gets ridiculous but it goes back to how do you go be about making relationships all across the place?

How can you go about being kind? Let that be your default setting. For a white guy like myself, you know what the world doesn't need right now? More of my opinion and more of my, you know what I think? I need to listen. I need to shut my mouth. I need to be quiet. And I need to listen. I need to shut my mouth. I need to be quiet and I need to listen. I need to listen. Right.

I agree. And one of the things, too, I think talking with you, John, as well as getting the relationships like you and Dave said. But then also when you get into those relationships and you hear something that is off, you ask the questions and you sit down and you listen to the answer. Right. And you have a conversation about that. I've learned so much coming here that I thought was like, well, wasn't that a racist statement? And then I would ask Rachel, I'll ask Dave, and then I'll get the explanation. Now I have knowledge. Now I have understanding.

Do you remember an example of that? That's interesting. I do. You want me to say it on the radio? I don't know. I'm not sure I do. I mean, I'll say this one. We didn't rehearse this, so I'm not sure I did. I mean, I'll say this one. We didn't practice. We didn't rehearse this, so I'm not sure.

No, I remember the first time I heard you say redneck, and I was like, whoa, wait a minute. Oh, boy, that was probably about 10 minutes after you met me. Exactly. And so redneck to me as a black man, that was a racist statement. And so I remember having to- Oh, rednecks are all racist. That's, yes. Oh, and I called myself a redneck, and then you thought my lord i got myself into a mess exactly and i literally go back into this

to the office with rachel i'm like rach what in the world like really and she she taught me and and let me know exactly what does the word redneck mean to you and to the average white person yeah so i'm like okay because i was i was i was offended to be honest on your show i was like whoa wait really like you i work for a redneck and so in my head coming from where i come from you've been duped yes and so i had to have a conversation because i have a relationship with you i have a relationship with Rachel so I think what you all are saying is so true is when you get out outside of your bubble and you go into another world there's going to be some things that's going to seem off or seem wrong ask the question and listen and ask more clarifying questions and so when she said that I said I got it now I live around a bunch of rednecks because i'm out of columbia tennessee

you know but i understand they're not racist they're just southern white guys who live out in the country from the country and i'm i'm cool with that because i'm from the country that's why i went out to the country because i love living in the country but when i first got here i have to be honest i thought that was a racist statement interesting and i was like i've not heard this story yeah and you know what else you you added something dave so we've got recognize your your where you feel like you got a gap in knowledge number two you got to just be relationships with people all over the place and humbly listen but the third thing you just mentioned that um is so critical is to be reflective yeah and if if there a guy named Jordan Bunch in Texas who worked for me,

he was like 22 when I first hired him. And I thought I was smart and fancy and all this. And I said, what's something you've been practicing? This is in a one-on-one meeting. And he said, something important to me is whenever I get in a disagreement with somebody, the first thing I do is I physically go look in the mirror and say, ask myself, what did I bring to this disagreement first? And then I go over here.

And so it's important that you heard something, you went and asked somebody, and then you were reflective, right? And that's the moment. Terry Real says to skip your first feeling, that impulse to fight, right? To say, uh-uhuh and just hear it hear it and then be reflective to step up above that then or or to the other side of that coin so to speak um what we're talking about is what brought this discussion up is racism from whites towards blacks primarily uh now there's plenty of racism from blacks towards whites plenty of racism is when

you you know attribute a negative character quality or a positive character quality to someone because the color of their skin which is straight up ignorance i mean you know to say that all asian people are good with math or something like that that's just racism even though it's a positive character thing but it's just it's i, I know a guy that's an Asian. He's horrible at math. I mean, I know that that's not true. The reason I know that, so I don't have that stereotype. So a stereotype is what we're dealing with here.

Or, you know, a certain race has less intelligence than another race, or less character, or more prone to violence, or whatever. And so when you attribute a character quality based on skin color, that immediately makes you ignorant. And the way to solve that ignorance is actually interact with people and get to know them and develop a relationship of that other skin color, and then it starts to go away. Now, I don't know if this solves um i don't know i don't know

how you do this on a macro level or something uh in terms of solving police misbehaving and it's a small percentage of police and it's a small percentage of the black community well and and but it's still unbelievably painful right right. Right, right. And so scary. Right. And then when you grow up with the overview to where it makes you say what you were saying earlier, like, I think about my nephews. Yeah. And so it doesn't—a small percentage has a tremendous amount of leverage in this discussion. So it's almost like the pendulum needs to swing so far the other way where you overreact, not in a politically correct way, but just to overdo it over here to make sure that everybody feels safe. We'll be back.

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That's eMeals.com slash grocery. Grocery. Dr. John Deloney, Ramsey Personality. Anthony O'Neill, Ramsey Personality, my co-host this hour. We're doing something we don't usually do on The Dave Ramsey Show. We're taking a sidebar for an hour and talking a social issue. The social issue is racism because we're all angry, horrified, sad, at different levels and at different points of understanding, but we still have those emotions.

Anthony feels them at a different level than maybe I do as an old guy. Deloney's a cooler guy than I am, so he probably feels them at a different level coming off the college campus, that kind of stuff. But you're not human if you think what happened. I mean, your humanity is what I'm saying. You have something morally broken inside of you if you think what happened to George Floyd is OK or what happened to Ahmaud Arbery is OK. And, you know, I think we can just sit and say this just sucks and don't have the answers.

But I do like back during COVID. I kept telling folks, remain calm and try giving each other a little grace. Try giving each other a quick glance of dadgum mean to each other. And so it's bad enough that this horrible thing happens. But then on top of that, people are mean to each other because of it. Horrible thing happens. People get sick, but then people are mean to each other because of it horrible thing happens people get sick but then people are mean to each other because of it and again that comes back to ignorance and nuanced thinking meaning narrow-mindedness um meaning that you you only have one little set of thoughts because you work with or you hang out

with or you grew up with and you never left your little group and your little group is the only thought you've ever had in your brain and so that makes you ignorant of the other groups and ignorance ignorance not lack of intelligence it's lack of knowledge and anyone who has a different opinion than you is automatically dumb automatically evil automatically racist an idiot right automatically racist yeah so and when you play the race card um or the sexism card on everything where it doesn't belong it starts to invalidate it after a while and it's a valid card is the problem and so you don't want to invalidate the card by calling anthony o'neill racist that's kind of like weird you know he's an african-american guy i mean it's kind of oxy how could he i mean

yeah but i mean uh i get how you could call me that i get that although you'd be wrong but i i can at least grasp intellectually how that could occur but i mean the it's the ridiculousness of this has gone over the top so we're talking about the at the break you you said you had a question for anthony yeah anthony i in the spirit of shutting my mouth and in the spirit of listening, I got a 10-year-old little boy, Hank. I got a 4-year-old daughter, Josephine. I've sat down and been pretty open. Hank and I went out yesterday and two days ago, and I walked him through.

Here's what's happening. Here's the evil. Here's the role we have have played here's the role we've not played here's who we are here's we're going to be going forward the the big overarching question is like what do we do if i am a white guy sitting in my truck listening to this podcast um and i don't have a relationship with anthony o'neill can you give me a say this to your kids um say this in your home yeah man i think the very first thing is to do exactly what dave just did it's just say this is wrong i mean one of the things that i've learned with racism racism is passed down from parents to kids when they get older, from parents to their kids. And so the very first thing I think you have to do is just one check yourself. I'm like, yo, this is wrong.

And have that conversation inside of your home and explain to your son, explain to your daughter, explain to your family that what happened is wrong. And this is not what's happening in our house. And we love everyone for who they are, for a human being, not because of the color of their skin. And answer the questions and make sure that your kids understand what what is racism and why you're not with racism and how you're for love and expose them to to other other people. Ken Coleman, our other personality here, he and I had the same conversation about his boys at home, about, hey, here's how you have the conversation. And that's the main thing. He's adopted kids that are African-American. Yes, yes, yes.

And so they're young. And, you know, we have to have an honest conversation with them and just explain to them that, hey, this is wrong. And explain to them why it's wrong. And then from there, just leave the conversation open. And I would just definitely say that teacher kids not to be silent because when they go inside the high schools, when they go inside their schools, when they see their African-American friends, they need to be able to say that was wrong. I'm sorry. And show love. And going something rachel cruz says all the time more is caught than taught absolutely you can bark at your kids all day right they're gonna watch you yes they're gonna watch who you interact with and how you treat people and how you respond how you talk

about and watch what you're saying around the house if you're saying uh racial sayings and it may not be your heart you need to cut it you need to stop that um there were some words that i would say back at home when i was younger without saying here on the show and my mom about us, you know, the N word. She was like, don't say that around here. That's not who you are. And you do not want to put that out there. And so if that's happening at the house, any anything that can be perceived negative, more is caught than taught. You know, speak positive, speak love and speak the truth around your kids. And then I think that's awesome.

To me, there's a thing I keep going back to this idea, and I guess it's just personal experience and watching men and women in my generation make a transition, and it wasn't because of political correctness or social pressure or they felt like they were going to be ostracized or be arrested or something. They just started realizing it's wrong and started changing, and then they changed the next generation after them. And that always comes, in my experience, and I keep going back to this, with this idea of what you tolerate is what you're going to have you know and um i'm not going to have that in my police department i'm not going to have that inside my company as for me in my house yes i mean people at ramsey know they know don't

you dare say someone got the position or didn't get the position because of race or sex or anything else. They got the position here because, by God, they're the best at it. And don't you insult them otherwise. You get your butt handed to you around here. You do that. Not just by me, but other people in this building. We respect excellence and nothing else. And so if you can't do that, you're not one of us.

And I think you can do that in a police department because there are policemen, law enforcement people that I know personally well all over this nation that are incredibly good men and women. And the vast majority of them are. But there's a few turkey butts in the mix that need to be ejected by the culture of the police department, the culture of the law enforcement movement in general where that's not okay. And we've all run into really fine law enforcement people.

And I've got to tell you, in my experience, 99% of the time I run into them, that's what I get. Now, I know that's my experience. I get my experiences different. I understand. I get that. That's true, though. I do do i mean anthony gets pulled over it's a different experience and i get pulled over yeah i mean i know that yes i know that uh and thanks for saying that dave but uh i mean but i mean uh you know but but the the other thing is i occasionally run into still the guy who got a badge because he wanted to be a BA.

You know, he wanted to be a bad butt. And so he has to prove that he's somebody when he pulls me over. You actually saw that happen one day. I did. I did. I was in the back of the car. And you were riding with me. We were going to the airport.

Yep. And I just seen a guy throw your ID back in on you. And here's what I honestly said. I said, wow. I was cutting through a country town going wide freaking open. It's 4 o'clock in the morning. We're trying to get to the airport. And this little twerp, 5'2", pulls me over.

And he's got an attitude, man. He's got short man syndrome and everything else. Little redneck boy. And I was sitting there talking to him. And I was as nice as I could be. And he was a complete chump. And he threw my license back at me. I'll finish this.

Now you go ahead. I'm still mad. For you listening to this, I can feel the heat this. Now you go ahead. I'm still mad. For you listening to this, I can feel the heat coming off of Dave right now. I'm still going to go get it. I was going too fast. I needed a ticket, but I didn't need attitude, okay? Lord have mercy. Say it, Anthony.

So what happened then? No, I just literally sat in the back of the car and said, wow, this rich white man just got treated this way. I was like, interesting. But again, I mean. Never heard of that happening before. I've never seen it in my life. I've seen me be treated like crap, but I haven't. I've never seen a white man be treated like that.

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and I read a lot about Martin Luther King because he gave one of the greatest speeches. I'm a speaker. Brene Brown does a whole breakdown on the speech. I believe it's Brene. One of them does a TED Talk on the breakdown of the I Have a Dream speech, and we've studied the cadence of it, the delivery from a speaker's perspective. It's one of the greatest recorded speeches of all time.

And it's not necessarily studying the content, although you have to get the content to study it. But, I mean, I can study, I can admire, and I can even disagree with. You could disagree with a white person of the past, something that Kennedy said, and that doesn't make you a racist. I can disagree with Martin Luther King. the past, something that Kennedy said, and that doesn't make you a racist. I can disagree with Martin Luther King. That doesn't make me a racist.

And to play that card on stuff like this is not helpful, folks. It doesn't help the discussion. It's unintelligent. It's not helpful. Because strength to love, again, I've read it twice, and if you haven't read it, regardless of your color, you should. But Martin Luther King was more of a pacifist than Gandhi and Mother Teresa put together. He would have no more engaged in any kind of violence. As a matter of fact, probably, you know, it's just a personal opinion.

And I know there was a conspiracy to have him killed of some kind, obviously. But, I mean, he didn't have enough security around him. Right. Because he really just wasn't worried about it. He knew he was going to heaven. And I think he was almost a lamb at the slaughter. He was just too innocent, too passive. And I'm not a pacifist.

I get mad. I'm, like you said, a redneck hillbilly. I've used that phrase. Now I'm scared about using the phrase. But I'm not. I'm going to keep said, a redneck hillbilly. I've used that phrase. Now I'm scared about using the phrase, but I'm not. I'm going to keep using it because it is who I am. But, you know, I'm that guy, and when in doubt, if something needs to be punched, I'll punch it. I mean, not physically, but I mean, I would have in the old days. But, you know, I'm a fighter.

I'm not a pacifist. So I had trouble with strength to love because I'm not a pacifist, but not because of his skin color. Right. But, man, the effectiveness of the civil rights movement as civil, civil, the word, look the word civil up, disobedience was amazing. You can't argue with the results he pulled off. And so I have to stand back as a warrior type and go, this pacifist, I can learn something from him. And that's not a skin color thing. That's a philosophy difference on how you approach life.

And it takes more strength to be a pacifist than it does to be a pissed off guy, right? It really does. You know? It really does. And I'm admitting I'm not as strong is what I'm saying. That's Jesus in the garden with Peter saying saying hey yeah i got this yeah i got this i got this i got this yeah yeah it's okay you don't have to cut his ear off i got this i'm in control i got it's okay i got this yeah and i i mean i so i i um i think there's a thing to be

learned with that as well so anthony may, let me ask you this. Yeah. You have absolutely no expertise on this whatsoever. Neither do I. Zero. We're just some guys here talking because it's water cooler talk. We're all around the water cooler talking about this this week. From your perspective, with your set of knowledge that I don't have, your set of growing up, we're talking about policemen a while ago. Yeah.

And you and I have talked about this stuff off air many times because we've learned a lot from each other over the five years you've been part of this family. Yeah. I think it's fair to say I know your heart that you know that the vast majority, and I don't want whatever

percentage of law enforcement are excellent people. There's ones that aren't, obviously, and anyone that can't recognize both of those those things that there's excellent and it's the vast majority and there's a some turkey butts and it's some small percentage if you can't recognize both of those things and you're being blocked by your anger and you're not really thinking clearly because it's it's an it's an observable fact regardless of of your race. But still, there's some turkey butts, and they're executing a thing that the vast majority of white people in America, the vast majority of black people in America, don't want.

13.2% of the population in America is black. Yeah. 13%. And yet, this number of young black guys are losing their lives. What do we say to law enforcement? How do we help? Because we want to respect law enforcement, and yet we're not going to respect that misbehavior.

Agreed? Yeah, I absolutely agree. And, Dave, I cannot afford to hate law enforcement because my cousin is the commander-in-chief of the state trooper in South Carolina. So that means he's over all of the state troopers throughout this entire state of South Carolina. And so he and I have had several conversations in the past and he admits that there are bad ones and that he admits that they need to get rid of them. And so I think for police right now, as soon as you see a sign that they're going down the wrong way you have to you have one proper training uh there needs to be some new policies in place that teach them how to approach uh anyone when they're going

up to the car and being an african-american man especially african-americans uh and be sensitive but protect your life but get rid of the bad ones because um it is sad you know i was saying this in my video and um yesterday dave that i've never been fearful being pulled over by a police officer because I'm not going to give any man that much over me to where I'm fearful of them. But I have been nervous because I do not know where this can go. This can go good. This can go bad. But I've met several great police officers, but I have run into some, some, some, some horrible ones. Um, but those horrible ones do not stop me from loving and appreciating those who are fighting for us every single day. Like my cousin, uh, like one of my good friends here that I play golf with here in Franklin, Tennessee, who's an African American police officer. Um, and so, but I just think

for police officers who are listening to this, um, you know, one, if you see something going wrong, that is going the wrong way. Stop it. You just got to call it out because, by the way, black lives matter. Blue lives matter. White lives matter. Maybe just lives matter. Yeah. You know, that's racist if you say that. Right. No, it's not racist. But, you know think African Americans, they just get upset from the perspective of this, that all lives do matter. We're just saying that at this present time it's like... We need to shine a light

on this fact. A light on black people. That's fair. So no one's saying all lives do not matter. It's just that it was... Well, some are. Well, I know not me. Some of them that are saying blue lives matter are saying that because they're racist. But you know what I'm doing. You know what I'm talking about.

I know what you're talking about. You've been getting hell on social media this weekend from people who don't think. Yes. And it's wrong. It's wrong. It's wrong. And one of the reasons we did this was to take up for you. I catch you all the time.

It's just part of my life. But, I mean, what you've been going through is just unbelievably wrong. Oh, man. But you know what? I mean, to whom much is given, much is required. So I'm fighting a good fight, and I'm standing up for what I believe in, Dave. And I'm grateful for it. Bishop T.D. Jake said something yesterday on his Instagram.

Yesterday was so good. He said, all lives do matter. He said, but right now we're talking about that black man's life that was just taken. Ah, that's good. That wasn't because if all lives matter. Bishop can turn a phrase now. He can. He can turn a phrase.

I said, you preach, man. You know, because, I mean, everyone loves each other. We just, honestly, the African-American community is hurting, and we just want to be heard, and we just want to be treated equally. That's it. You know, but I love you. I love John. I love everyone in this building me

no not really you're new i'm not through my hazing yet man but hey you know what we feel that way about our listeners and our tribe um and uh we love you guys and we're going to be here to help you uh we are not me included included, going to be abused by you, though. You don't get to tell us what we're going to do or how we're going to act. This is who we are. And if you're a white supremacist moron and you don't like this or you've got your little pointy head that fits your little pointy head cap, and I know some of those guys.

I know most of them have substandard IQs. And if you don't like me doing this show, you can kiss my butt, okay? And if you're a black person and you're mad at me and you're calling me racist, you're just wrong, and I'm not going to take abuse off of you. We love you. We're going to walk with you. We're going to help you with your stuff. If you want us to help you, if you don't want us to help you,

go somewhere else for the help. It's okay. But we get it. We get it to the extent we can get it from where we're coming from. And that's a different place on all of us. And this is wrong. And it needs to stop. We don't have the solutions. But we want to talk about it a little bit. I think the solution is that we start talking about it. And we start listening. So we did it. One in the books. This is the dave ramsey show in the middle of these uncertain times ramsey solutions wants to give you some hope

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