Live Like a Girl with Dr. Mindy Pelz - Empowered Healing: LeAnn Rimes' Health Journey Update

Episode Date: March 4, 2024

Join Dr. Mindy for an intimate update with Grammy award-winning musical sensation LeAnn Rimes. Discover how LeAnn embarked on a transformative health journey over the past two and a half years, overcoming challenges and embracing healing. From navigating hormonal health to implementing diverse biohacks, LeAnn shares her remarkable progress and offers insights into her holistic approach to well-being. Dive deep into her health philosophy, mindset shifts, and the collaborative efforts that led to her newfound vitality. This is truly an empowering discussion filled with wisdom, resilience, and the enduring power of friendship. To view full show notes, more information on our guests, resources mentioned in the episode, discount codes, transcripts, and more, visit https://drmindypelz.com/ep225 LeAnn Rimes is an international multi-platinum selling acclaimed singer and ASCAP award-winning songwriter who has sold more than 48 million units globally, won 2 Grammy® Awards; 12 Billboard Music Awards; 2 World Music Awards; 3 Academy of Country Music Awards; 2 Country Music Association Awards and one Dove Award. At 14, Rimes won "Best New Artist," making her the youngest solo artist to take home a Grammy® Award, and at 15, she became the first country artist to win "Artist of the Year" at the Billboard Music Awards. Check out our fasting membership at resetacademy.drmindypelz.com. Please note our medical disclaimer.

On this episode of The Resetter Podcast, I bring you Grammy Award-winning musical phenom, that's what I'm going to call her, Leanne Rimes. Now, if you're not familiar with Leanne Rimes, you need to rush out and start downloading some of her music, especially her current music is off the hook. Or if you love chants, she has some incredible chant albums. But she is well known as starting off her career as a young teenager, as a country music, star and has completely morphed into this incredible musical artist that, in my opinion, seems to sing all different types of songs and has a voice that will pierce your soul. But what's really special about Leanne for me is she walked into my life two and a half years ago, wanting some support around her health, specifically around her hormonal health.

And we did a whole podcast that you can go back and listen to about what she experienced from a young child growing up in this surreal world and how it impacted her health, everything from physical to emotional to chemical toxins. We did that podcast over a year ago. So go back and listen to that because her life has been quite incredible. And what's really special about this podcast is we have an update. We have been deep in the health trenches, putting her health puzzle back together for the last two and a half years. And it has been one heck of a ride. And she has some really exciting health news to share with you all that you will hear her talk about. But from your lens, what I'm hoping you will hear

in this conversation is that when you are sitting in a place where you are not enjoying your health and you have a goal of where you want to go. It takes many pieces to put together. It's like a puzzle that you put together along that journey. And it takes many people throwing many different types of health pieces at her, everything from supplements to detox, to fasting, to cycling food, to mindset work, to some of the greatest biohacks that you will hear throughout this whole episode. And I really want you to listen to this conversation and think about your own health journey. What are the pieces you can learn from this? Because I know Leanne's heart and I know she shows up to do a podcast like this so that others will be inspired. And it's really profound what she has done with her health.

This woman is one of the most hardworking, focused, loving humans that was desperately looking for a new path with her health and was willing to do anything she could do to get her health back on track and it worked. And I'm hoping that you will gain some inspiration for your own health journey. I'm so excited to bring this discussion to you all. I adore this woman and I feel so honored to call her my friend. And I can't wait to share this episode with you. So I hope you gain a tremendous amount of insight for your own journey from this incredible woman's inspiration in words. So here you go. Leanne Rhymes. Enjoy. Welcome to The Resetter Podcast. This podcast is all about empowering you to believe in yourself again.

If you have a passion for learning, if you're looking to be in control of your health and take your power back, this is the podcast for you. Okay, welcome to the Resetter podcast. I'm super happy to have you here. And I don't invite very many guests back. Oh, very honored. Yeah. Thank you. So I'm super happy you're here. Yeah. I mean, and there's, it is interesting. We've been on this journey together now for what, two and a half, three years. And so I think there's there's an update. There's an update. There's an update, which is good. Yeah. Does the world know you're, I mean, you, when I met you, you were like, this is the way I looked at it. So take this with love. You were like the poster child for mental health.

Yeah. I've talked about it a lot. And, you know, I even in my discussions about it and how open I've been about it, I still struggled significantly. I found things to mask and help, but I didn't really, I don't think I found anything to really, like, move the needle. Yeah. Because I think there were so many other components that were, you know, that were contributing to depression and anxiety, that were physical components that we've addressed. And then that eventually really started moving the needle for me.

You know, it's interesting. I used to say to my patients all the time that I feel like mental health, I look at it like a pie graph, and like 25% of it is the circumstance. So it's like what's going on in your life right now and how you're reacting to it. 25%. And this is my opinion. This is not based off science just so the listeners are really clear on this. Twenty-five percent is based off of the way you've been modeled or your traumas and like what's happened to you in your life. And 50% of it is physiological. And I think with you, that was one thing that was really interesting, is that I kept looking through that lens when we first started working together of like, which, what's showing up here? And we just dove right into the 50% that was physiological. And then I

So like that changed the other percentages. Yeah, no, it definitely did. I think one of the biggest pieces was removing toxins from my system. I used to eat a lot of sushi and I had a buildup of mercury. And I think that, especially when it comes to anxiety, like, that was a big trigger for me. Yeah. I don't. I literally, I keep track every day of my anxiety level, my sleep, like all those different things.

So we can always refer back to like if there was. There was an issue if we had a bump in the road, like, what was causing it? But I find myself, like, getting to anxiety and going, oh, I didn't have any today. You know, like, I had the normal, typical, like, you know, a little bit, but I don't even consider that. Like, I haven't had, like, anxiety attacks or anything along those lines. And so how much of your life did you have anxiety attacks? Probably more than I realize. I probably, I think my depression and anxiety started much early.

than I realize, but I mean, I can definitely, I can clock it starting around 29. Oh, so your teenagers, you didn't have a lot of, I would say I'd have more depression in my teenagers than I did anxiety. Yeah. I mean, I grew up. My mom was severely depressed. And so I think it kind of, and then of course, like just growing up in front of the world. Right. All the stuff I went through, my parents getting divorced and, like all the things that you don't think affect you at that time, because you're so young, but then you realize that they definitely did. But my anxiety really kicked in around 29. Yeah. And I think, you know, one of the things that I find really intriguing about you is you're, and I love this about you, is like your willingness to be so transparent and to give back. Like, you know, I think when we first started working together, there was a, you know, a lot of top discussion around your mental health. And you were so generous with just showing up to the world and saying like, yeah, this is who I am. This is how it's. been. And I think a lot of people get stuck in that. They get stuck in the labeling of their condition

because it's almost like they own it. And well, it does become a piece of you if you allow it. You know what I mean? It really does become a part of your personality. Yeah. I mean, truthfully, I didn't see a way out. I know you saw a way out for me. But I mean, we'd have these discussions and over and over again that you would, you know, coach me through what you saw for me. but there is, you know, when you've been in that state for so long, like you don't really know that there's an open door. Because it's so close. I think this is about health in general. I, even for me, like, I have people that I go to when I'm just like, I can't solve my own health puzzle.

I need you to look at this because I think we're so close to it that it's really hard to navigate your own way out of it. And one of the things I want to do today is really talk about all the pieces we've been. put together because the other thing that I think happens to people is that they think there's one way. Yeah. No, that's the, that's the thing that I've learned is it's very, it's very personal for you. Very personal. Yeah. And what people claim works for them may not work for you and something that, you know, and vice versa, like there might be something that's like not working for other people, but all of a sudden it's like the thing that works for you. So I think you really, I mean, I find myself, I'm a guinea pig for, I'll try mostly everything once.

I'm up for it. Like if it's going to, you know, move the needle on my health, then yeah, let's try it. Yeah. Which is beautiful because not everybody's willing to do that. So, and that's why as we go. We've tried some crazy stuff. We've tried some crazy things. And now, you know, as we go through all the things you tried and I want to try to put it in a formula for people so that they can walk away from this conversation and pull out what they need to do for their own health. But I want to go to that moment when you decided, like, I need some help. I'm not doing well. Because you didn't work before you and I started. Yeah. I mean, I've done plenty of mental health work and therapy and different kinds of therapy.

And I just really have never looked at the physical component of my mental health, which there is a huge component, as we discussed. So I really think it was recognizing that I was something was, I'd been struggling. struggling for a while, like maybe three years. I probably went, started going into perimenopause earlier than I realized I had gotten off the pill and he kind of had no idea where my hormones were or anything at that moment. And I found your book. And then that kind of opened my eyes up to everything I did not know about what I was about to go through as a woman. And so I figured now's the time to start getting this, you know, in order. So I'm not miserable, even more miserable.

Right. We all go through some form of misery with menopause. Yes, we do. But it could be a lot worse. Like, the challenges that I have now, I really do stop and think about that often. If I wasn't doing all the things that I'm doing now, how bad it would be. Because, yeah, I definitely, like, no one, no one tells you about menopause. And the only thing that you hear about menopause, I heard from my mother. And it was like, it's miserable. You hate life. Like, it was just all the next. negativity, which there's plenty of negative things to be said about it, but we're just not informed. And so I had to start informing myself in order to take control of my health. Did you think, so you were, you were 39 when we first started working together. Did you think you

were in peri metapause? I think so. Yeah, I had for like probably two and a half, three years had had just like struggling with energy brain fog like just so many different like even I feel like my personality changes like things that would really irritate me that

out of the it just wasn't normal like you were observing your personality my personality was changing yeah I just I just didn't feel as vibrant and I think I think I definitely once I got off the pill that was all my hormones were just kind of they didn't know where to land.

How old were you when you got off the pill? Maybe 37. I think I was around 37. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of doctors encourage people to stay on the pill forever because they don't have another thing on the other side of it. Did you have any adverse reactions to get off the pill?

No, I don't think I did. I mean, but then, like I said, my hormones didn't know where to land because I'd been on it for so long. and that's when I was like, okay, something, once I heard all the information you had in your book, I was like, okay, I think I'm going through whatever this is. I'm starting to. And so I need help. Yeah. Yeah. So when I look at like when I, I always like to put a health, health in some kind of formula because there's so many pieces. I mean, and we're going to go through some of the craziest things that we've done. And some of the things that really worked and maybe some of the things that didn't work. But I always think there's this moment, a crisis. moment where there's something inside you that goes, enough. Like, I'm done. I can't think these thoughts. I can't live in this body. I'm not going to do it this way anymore. And so in that moment, you get real clarity as to what you want to feel like, because it's usually like the opposite of wherever you're at. But to go from the crisis moment to feeling optimal, there's this huge gap. Most people literally do not

make it through that gap. I mean, there were moments where I felt like I was not going to make it through. And there's still moments where you have to remind me that healing is not linear. We figured this out. I do all these things so I don't have to feel this way. And you still do. I mean, it's just, it happens. You know, and just, I mean, I find hormones so fascinating. They're so fascinating. Just when I think I've gotten my estrogen patch right. Yeah. It's like, oh, I need a little more estrogen now. Right. Right. I mean, like, it's just constantly shifting, constantly evolving. And that's where you recently I was telling you, I feel like we've gotten to this place and this is where a lot of people will get to. When you do hit the place of,

ah, okay, I'm feeling better. Now the goal becomes how do you adapt to your environment? Like, and as the environment changes, like you go out on tour, the environment becomes more stressful. And then when you come back, now we have to like work on, well, what tax the body? How do we help it so build those reserves back up, which I think is why when it comes to hormones, just when we get them right, I go on tour. It is a hard thing because my life is, you know, there's like two very, two very different lives sometimes. Like I've been home for the last six weeks and my sleep is amazing. My aura ring's not yelling at me. Like I'm in relaxed and I've actually rested and you know, it's a different life than when I start up and travel because then I'm in between

time zones and I'm, you know, I'm not getting as much sleep as I normally would and I'm eating different foods and I have more stress and like all, it really is like a complete black and white, very different. And then you have to build yourself back up. Yes. And then I come home and I crash and then I don't know how to rest anymore because I've been working so much and we have to, we have to revisit that and build me back up with, I mean, we have now, we have such a toolbox of building, of how to build me back up and which has been really helpful to find. Yeah. All the things. All the thing.

When we first met, one of the first things that I remember is that you were really big on counting calories. Do you remember that? I still do. Oh, you do? Oh, my God. You just keep it from me. I still do.

No, no. I just like, I keep track of what I eat. Okay. But I, but some days, like some weeks I'm like, maybe we'll like look at my food like maybe three times. But sometimes when I'm on the road and I'm just eating random stuff, like that's when I kind of like to keep track of it. Because just for me, like sometimes you can put a gazillion things in your body

realize that you've done it, that's usually more when I keep track of it. When I'm home, I'm pretty much in a routine of like, I kind of eat similar things and I have my kind of routine of home of food. But yeah, when I'm on the road, let's keep track over it. But it's not like I'm doing it to like lose weight or like any of the thing. I really like making it a list. This is a problem. I enjoy my list. See, I keep on my anxiety list and my sleep lists and I have all. the apps for everything. I do. I do a lot of list. And I enjoy it. It's like when I get up in the morning, part of my morning routine is like, how did I feel? It's kind of, you know, do you take

stock and like how your day was? Yeah. I mean, if you're going to make a list, you might as well make a list about things that are important to your house. I think that's really good. Okay. So, but I don't know, I mean, I know you remember this. One of the first things we did is put the continuous glucose monitor audio. Yeah. What do you think because that's a big thing for my community, I really deep in my heart feel like we would change the metabolic mess that the world is in if we put one of those continuous glucose monitors on everybody. Yeah, I mean, it was eye-opening to see, you know, what my body was doing. And I haven't had one in a while, but I feel like I got to know, like, what foods triggered it, what didn't, how to stay, you know, if I was fasting,

like what not to do in that fasting window. Like, you know, did cream in my coffee? you like spike it too much, that kind of thing. So yeah, I was, I think it really helps me understand how to eat, especially when I was fasting as much as I was at the time to really kind of understand what that does to my body. I think it internally motivates people too. Like I could have told you all the right things to do. And there's a point I think that you can reject the information because it's difficult or it's just like confusing. But when you have to see it real time, now you're in ownership over your food because you eat something. You can eat what I recommended. You can fast the length I recommended. And then you actually see it real time. But I want to talk about what happened to you when you fasted because I think we don't, I don't talk about this enough. I'm a lemonade gal. I like to like, let's go to the lemonade. Let's talk about the upside of everything. But I think it's really important because so many people that listen to this podcast fast and not everybody's had a great experience. And you were one of them. I definitely, fasting, talk about something that brings on anxiety. Fasting for long periods of time,

well, for me, a long period of time because of how I react to it is like, you know, a 16-hour fast is a long fast for me. Because around 13 hours, I'll start to get anxious. So whenever my body flips over into ketosis, for some reason, I start to have this like body anxiety. And it's uncomfortable. And so I get anxious about having that feeling. In fact, the last two days is the first time I've gone 16 hours in a while. And I've had a different experience this time around, which may be contributing or like everything we've done for my health may be contributing to that different experience. But yeah, I would, it was a very uncomfortable feeling. And I, I wasn't hungry. It wasn't about like, the food or anything. It was just, and even with my glucose monitor, my, I would have a spike in, I would have a spike in my blood sugar when I started to flip. over into ketosis. But then I would check my ketones and my ketones would be completely fine. Like I was still in ketosis. So it was really interesting how my body reacted to that. Yeah. You were, the experience you had based off your numbers did not match what typically should be there. So I, where my brain went with this and then again, I think this is helpful

for people who have that same experience is at first I thought maybe you have too much adrenal stress, maybe your life is too stressful. And so now we're adding this up. other stressor on. And so the anxiety is coming because progesterone stores are low, cortisol levels are high. And so we put you into this fasted state and it raises cortisol even more tanking progesterone. Now you're anxious. Does that sound right? I mean, that could be possibly one of the issues. I mean, the other issue that I was having was my B vitamins were not like, my B vitamins basically like weren't actually going into the cell. Yeah. And that, possibly was contributing also. Yeah. I mean, there's so, we still haven't really figured out

what it is. Yeah, but I have over these past couple of days had a different experience, which is great. So. And so this is why I think that part of the story is really interesting, because here we are two and a half years later. And you are like, okay, I went and tried it again. And now it's different. So because we've done so much repair work. And one of the things that I always say is that fasting is for everyone, and I get so much criticism on that. Why? Why do I get criticism? Yeah.

No, no, no. Why do you get criticism? Because people say, I tried fasting. It's not working. It's tanking my thyroid. My doctor told me not to do it. I mean, you can give me every reason why somebody shouldn't fast, and I've got an explanation for it.

To me, fasting is a healing state you put your body in. It's like sleep. Sleep is good for everyone. but just because you can't, but not everybody can sleep. I mean, talk to a few menopausal women, I'll tell you. So it's a training and it's a way of getting your, you know, you have to figure out what blocks it and why your body's not going there. So the B vitamins, we. So that the fasting is a natural.

It's a natural state. You should all be able to go to. That's right. Clearly something's blocking that if it's not working. That's right. Got it. So then your work becomes to figure out what's blocking. Right.

So that's what we did is like I thought about stress and we can talk about that in a moment. But we also looked at the gut and we tried all kinds of things with the gut. I'm curious what do you think was the big thing that changed the gut? I don't know. It's funny. That's the one place that I'm still like, because we've tried, we've thrown probiotics at me and a bunch of different things. And it actually bloats me. Yeah.

Still to this day. So that's one thing that hasn't like really changed. I don't, what do you think changed my gut? Well, remember we ran blood work on you and you had pernicious anemia. Like you weren't getting and so that's why the B12 shots and everything were helping. I think the LDN helped. Yeah, quite possibly. That was a big turn.

And for people don't know what that is, low dose now. That was really interesting because you were happier. That was like one of those. There was a few needle movers that I'm like, whoa. Like I saw a different side to you. And that was one of them. That was definitely one of them. Yeah, I would say that that's been a huge thing.

As far as like my mental state oxygen has been a huge thing. Yeah, like hyperbaric. And then I feel like, I feel like I feel like Ibu really changed a lot of things for me. Yeah, we're going to go into Ibu because I think that was like huge. And methylame blue. Oh, yeah. I feel like methylame blue is so great. Like it's been, I feel like it's great for my brain.

I know it definitely helps with the uptake in serotonin, which I definitely. I definitely know I've been deficient in most of my life. So taking that, I feel like helps with energy and it helps with my mental health. Yeah, I mean, those are some pretty big things of, yeah. And again, everything's compounding because we would do one thing and then I would watch how your body respond. And then we switch and do something else. And by the time we got to Eboo, which for people listening, we'll explain what that is. Because that was such a big needle mover that I want to really emphasize it so people know it as a resource.

But I think everything just started to come to build on itself. And then you got momentum. And as you got momentum, you're like, okay, what else can we try? What else can we try? So I think that really worked. The thing that didn't give you psychological momentum. But I think if we look back now, that was really great was the heavy metal detoxing. Yeah. But I think that's what I don't like a slow burn. And that was what I feel like, like the suppositories and things like that we were doing, like everything felt like a slow burn. And that's why I loved Ibu. like, get that out of me. Yeah. Yeah. Because that seems like, because for me with the anxiety of fasting and then also how much anxiety came with stripping heavy metals for my body. Yeah. I mean, those 24 to 48 hours after, you know, like really stirring that up inside of me, I'm like, oh my God, I want to kill the world. Yeah. So to be able to find something like Ibu, which was more of a direct shot was super helpful because I feel like between fasting wasn't working at the time and and trying to get these, you know, metals out of me.

It was a lot of, I was really tired a lot. Like, you know, like we had to find pockets of time in my schedule to be able to actually take me through that process because it was, it was very debilitating. Yeah. I, although I do think it was necessary. It was. I think it started the process. Yeah. And I think it also allowed us to see just how much was there.

Do you remember what the first symptom was? Because when you, what my recollection was fatigue, anxiety, depression. I don't think focus was an issue. No, but brain fog. Brain fog. Do you remember what the first one that went away, the first of those major symptoms that went away? Probably the brain fog. Okay.

Yeah. And what would, do you think the anxiety was close to be? No, I think the anxiety was probably the last thing. I think I was kind of hanging on to the anxiety. Like I remember. Yeah, I mean, you were saying it kind of becomes a part of who you are. And I, not until recently was I filling out like my anxiety list and whatever. And I'm like, huh, I probably should start putting that I really didn't have anything today because I really didn't.

I'm just so used to, like putting that there was a low grade level of anxiety. But if I really stopped to think about it, I'm like, no, I really didn't. I wasn't anxious today. So that's like a new, it took a moment for me to actually stop making that a part of my life. I think that is so well said because we forget that our symptoms become part of us. I mean, it can be everything from your weight to I can't do this because it becomes an excuse. We get attention for it. And I would tell you just in the time I've worked with really, really sick people,

sometimes that's the hardest piece is what will life be like when you don't have that anymore? And of course, the natural answer is, oh, it'll be amazing. But you got to think this through because people might not give you as much attention. I mean, you were the mental health poster child. Like, you're not going to be that anymore. Like, you're going to be a different version of you, which might have a healthy version of the mental health poster. There we go. Yeah, you can be the happy version.

The happy version. I mean, look, I still struggle. I have my moments of that, you know, but it's transitory. Where in the past, it wasn't transitory. It was just like a constant state. Right. So, but I think that's just human. We forget that like we're this, we have these, you know, we're a vast landscape of emotion. Yeah. You know, that we bounce in and out of like all day long. And so we can't always be happy. No. For me, letting go. of those pieces. Sometimes I feel like it's the, it's been in the past, the only way I can get rest is if I can show people like I'm exhausted from I'm depressed or I'm, you know, there's got to be like something. There was always something attached to rest for me. The only way in my, in my

early childhood, I mean, working, like the only way to get rest was to be sick. And so I definitely had that correlation of the two things for a long time. So I know I would come off the road and make myself sick. Like I literally, yeah, it would just, it was, it was unconscious, but it was, I was good at it. Yeah. And I had to, when I became aware of that, like start to unwind that cycle. And that's why I think anxiety was last to go is because it's just been a part of me for so long. Okay, so this is a really interesting concept because I think in when we want to rest before a crisis has hit our body, we don't get a lot of sympathy or empathy from others. I recently had this exact thing happened to me where I was like done with traveling. I was done promoting fast like a girl.

Like I just wanted to rest. And I had to cancel a couple of really important events that got very little sympathy from the person who I canceled on. And I kept saying to my team, I was like, if I had a cancer diagnosis, if I had COVID, if I had something, and I called them up and I was like, hey, this is going on with me, they would be like, oh my God, I totally understand. But instead, what I was saying to the people that I had to cancel on was, I've hit burnout. I can't get on another plane. I need to just, I got nothing.

Well, because no one else knows how to rest. Do you know what I mean? Like, they don't know how. And so we're all, you know, and when someone, when someone asks for that, it's funny, we're going, I'm going to Australia soon and I was, we're talking to this IV company. And they're like, oh, you know, the first part when you're there in February, all our nurses are gone for vacation. And I'm like, if this was America, nobody would shut down. And that's a thing. Like, we're so used to continue and continue, go, go, go. that nobody else knows how to rest either. And people can't see burnout. Like, you know, I mean, I've had, you know, EBV for off and on. Like, that's lived in my system for a long time and I'm exhausted sometimes.

Like, people can't see how tired you are, really. Like, and so I don't know. And everybody else is tired. That's a thing. Everybody's tired. And so I'm exhausted. Well, so am I. Like nobody has any empathy for that, you know?

That's true. Do you think you've been burnt out before? Oh, many times. Yeah. Yeah. And how do you know when you're burnout? Oh, I feel I just have no desire to do anything. Yeah.

Like when I really burn out, I have no desire to get up and wash my face, brush my teeth. Like that's when, yeah, I'm like really done. Yeah. Yeah. And here's the challenge with burnout because I've also been thinking about this lately. I feel like I hit it like in December. was like, I don't care anymore. I'm withdrawing. That's the thing. That's what happened. Yeah. And so I was telling my therapist this. I was like, I'm, I just think I'm going to, I need to just withdraw. Like,

I don't really care about putting out a good product. I don't care about anything. Is that burnout? And she said, well, you have to, you know, we started to have this conversation about what burnout meant. And I said, here's the challenge. And I don't know if this is a woman thing. I don't know if this is just an American thing. But every time I've hit burnout, I always find this place inside of me to dig deeper and push. through it. I don't think I've ever truly honored a burnout moment. Have you? Yeah. I think I mean, I think there's been parts of me that I've always had to push through something. But I really started to feel burnout at the end of this past year. But I knew that that was going to happen. And I had planned on nothing, you know, like for a good like four to six weeks. Yeah. So I think I've learned how much

I can handle before that gets there. Talk to me a little bit about the brain scan that you got from Amen. Looking back on that, do you feel like, I know you were like really nervous to go get it? Do you feel like it was helpful? Do you feel like you got insight from it? I think to see how sleepy my brain actually is, is, was helpful because I feel that. Yeah. You know, I'm on, I take Bivance, which is a stimulant. I'm on a very, very low dose of it. but I can tell like that wakes up my brain. And he actually took a scan with without Vibance and with Vibance. And how it, as he kind of says, plumps up my brain in certain areas,

that it just alibens it. And it definitely helps. So do you feel like having that kind of test was really helpful for you to understand your brain? It was just nice to understand myself because there's, I feel like sometimes it's, we can get in these, or for me at least, least I can kind of shame myself around certain things about me. Every woman. Right. Like and so I'm like, oh, I was, you know, this kind of sleepy brain for me. It just made a lot of sense. Like when I actually saw it, I was like, oh, I don't have to all the things that, like, I didn't know that about myself.

And so now like all the things that I feel like sometimes I could shame myself over like, oh, that just, it's actually happened. Like, I can see it. It's physiologically like happening. Yeah. And so I wanted to point that out because I think sometimes testing is really helpful. Yeah. Sometimes I fear some tests because you can become, you find yourself attached to it or becomes part of who you are, like with Epstein Bar virus. I was really nervous for you to get an Epstein bar virus test because I was like, oh, I don't want you to walk around saying I have Epstein bar. I have Epstein bar. But sometimes those tests can, like I thought your brain scan looked really good. Yeah. No, it was, it did look good. But. Like I said, it was nice to see, like, the things about my personality that I, that I sometimes can be harsh on myself about was right there in front of my eyes, which was great to see. Yeah. Yeah, the EBV thing is, I mean, I've, I had mono when I was 16 and worked through it for like three and a half years.

It didn't even show up on my test. So, and that was like in the height of everything that I was doing, I was working so much. And so to work through that kind of exhaustion, the way. I was. And then, you know, after I had COVID in the beginning of 2020 or 2021, I think, something like that. And after that, yeah, after that, I really struggled with, with energy. Exhaustion, even more so than usual. And that's when we finally decided we needed to, to test EBVV again. And then when we started to try, when we worked with EBV for, for that reason. I feel like it's really changed my energy levels. So let's talk about Ibu. And when I talk about

Ibu and methylene blue, because those two were the ones that I feel like really shifted your energy that I saw. And NAD also. Oh, NAD. That's right. My kind of my protocol with it is using, I'll usually do like maybe one, if I'm really busy, two IVs of 500 milligrams a month. And then I've started supplementing every day when I'm busy or every other day when I'm a little. You do the I do the suppositories, yeah. And they all act, it all acts very different in my system. So the 500 milligram IV, like definitely is a boost of energy for probably a solid like four or five days after the shots just kind of keep me, keep me going. And I do find that my sleep's better with an AD. And then the suppositories, I feel like the suppositories really help with my REM sleep.

Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. And so those all do if I'm, if I'm, if I'm, busy, I'll do that and the shot, like maybe a couple times a week. Yeah. And just to fill everybody, and NAD stimulates the mitochondria. And so it nourishes it so the mitochondria can detox the cell, but also it can make ATP, which is energy. The IVs have a protocol where you do four a day, or four in a row, and then you can do them after that in more space back. Yeah, which I did my first, yeah, my first round was, I think within 10 days, I did like a, like four different treatments. Yeah. Yeah. And And those can be painful. Do you remember them being painful? Yeah. Once I got up, I think the highest I've ever done was 750, 750 milligrams.

And that was, that took me a little longer. Okay. There was a little bit more pain and nausea, like that kind of thing involved. But if I stick around 500 milligrams, I'm pretty good. But yeah, you just have to get used to the feeling of it. And then the great thing about that is with Abby, like you can control how you can, how faster, how slow you're going. So, yeah. You can make it stop for sure.

And I also just want to point out for people listening that we'll leave links for all this stuff because I think it's really interesting when we look at the puzzle that we put together. When the if we looked at like I love puzzles by the way. So if you look at like a puzzle, you know, there's like a certain color in the right corner and then down in the left. Your puzzle was like energy was up here, like depression was over here, anxiety was here. And when we got to the corner on energy, again, the three things that I saw really change was NAD and methylene blue. and Ibu. So I'll leave links for people so they can look at that as a resource. Methylene Blue. That was... I've got all my friends on Methylene Blue. I've literally all my girlfriends or, yeah, legit on Methylene Blue. Again, and it's easy. Everybody can have access to it.

So I will leave a link for that for people. How often do you take it? I take it daily. Yeah. Just because I know, I feel like it does a lot of great things for my brain. Like my girlfriend who's had a lot of brain fog recently just started it and she's like, oh my God, I can think again. And it's, it really is, for me, just I feel like mood-wise, it really has helped my mood. Yeah. I did. I don't know if you listened to the interview I did with John. So.

I know, I haven't heard of it. Oh, you should because he's such a wizard that half the time I didn't even know what he was talking about. He has a thing called the blue spot of the brain and that there's a part of the brain that that gathers all the information from the day. And then at night when we go to sleep, it takes that information and puts it in our limbic system in the hippocampus and stores it for memory. And so there's like a download of information that happens. And methylene blue helps. So this is not just moods and energy, but it

helps with cognition because you're ending up with brain parts that are working more efficiently so that the blue spot can download the information. So it kind of dumps it. It dumps it. And then it's fresh and ready go for the next day. So we did a whole interview on it, which I think, you know, I love that. I'm going to have to listen to that. Yeah, I should go listen. to it because it was pretty good. So, okay. And then we got to talk about Eboo. So Eboo, explain the process so people can visualize it. Yeah. So basically, you get hooked up to two IVs and they take out about, I don't know, it's a tube that's about yay big and about this belong. And they take out some blood. And once that tube fills up, they then oxygenate your

blood. Yep. And as that's going on and goes right back into the other arm, And I guess by the end of the treatment, which is about an hour long, 80 to 90% of your blood is clean and reoxygenated. And my first three rounds of that were I got tired after for a while. I was really kind of, you know, for 24 to 48 hours after it was kind of rough. Yeah, it felt like a detox reaction. It's like the second or third time. Yeah. And maybe my body was just really kind of like we talk about getting to different layers of toxicity, maybe just pulling like a really deep layer out.

And then now I do it once a month, especially when I'm traveling. And I find that I get this kind of euphoria with it most of the time. And I feel great. Like, I feel like my body. I feel like it's clean. I do feel clean after. And like I can access a little bit more energy for sure. And do you feel like it's compounding like everything else?

Like each time you go gets easier. I do. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. And again, I'll leave links for, I think Dr. Yoshi's one of the best. Oh, he's amazing. He's really incredible and he's got a whole nutrient system and stuff going on.

Yeah, the whole IV that they give you before vitamin C, magnesium B vitamins, the whole deal. Since he started that before the treatment, that's actually really helped with the after effect. Yeah. Amazing. Okay, one last thing we have talked about and then I want to go into menopause and I want to go into here. We're going to go into what menopause feels like for you. Oxygen was also a big, we can't leave that out. And that was really about your, where we really amp that up was with your vocal cords. Yeah.

So I injured myself from coughing too hard the end of last year. And I was on waist rest for several weeks. And I was like, I'll try anything other than surgery because I know my, at one point, my doctor wanted to inject a steroid and my vocal cords and possibly go in and laser off this little vein that was down in my vocal cord. and I'm like, I'll try anything other than that. So that's really when we kind of amped up oxygen to see what that would have, that would have any effect on the healing. I don't know if it has on, I can't tell you that it's like, because we haven't looked at the camera.

But I, I now am just, like I get up every morning and stuff. First thing I go do is get an oxygen. I just feel like I was tired the other day and I got in it for a second time during the day because I was just like, if I gave myself an hour of oxygen, I'll feel better. And I did. Like, it definitely helps. with just mental clarity. Like if I haven't had a lot of great sleep and I get in it, it definitely kind of wakes up

my brain. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I agree. It's a beautiful. It's an incredible tool. And when I look at like the reason I wanted to walk you through all those tools,

I feel like they all were really necessary. Now, not everybody has the financial resources to get those tools, which is why I think something like the methylene blue, it's like, it's not very expensive and it really can be powerful and fasting. Like, there's a lot of other tools. that are, but when at your level, your performance, your history, what you're trying to do with your body, those became very, very important. And so, and there was so many of them, so that we needed to do. Yeah. And there's, I mean, we really had to, like, I was afraid, I mean, there was so, so, so funny,

I was really afraid to do NAD. And then I was like, what's the C-Roo thing. But now it's, like, my go-to. I mean, those are the things that fill me back up, like, especially when I've been traveling so much. NAD, I'll do NAD on the road. And then Ibu when I get home, those are the kinds of things that we really have to use to fill me back out. Menopause. I'll call it peri menopause. Yeah, I'm not there. Yeah. What would you, how would you describe it? Like, how do you feel about it? Are you, are you anxious? Yeah, how do you feel about what's coming down there? I actually have a lot of grief around it. Oh. I do. There's something, I mean, I've, I've, I've never had a choice.

children of my own. Yeah. And so like to think that that's a piece of me that I could, you know, that is winding down. Yeah, it's not done yet, but it's winding down. Like, I just, I don't know. It's, and it's not something I've, and I'm, like, I can, I'm dealing with the grief of it. It's not like it's changing my mind to go and have my own child. Can you imagine I'm a child right now? We've talked about that. I can. There's a part of me that would, I would, I would, absolutely love it. Yeah. And at the same time, like, I know that my whole life would change and I would throw myself into that child. That's what's been so great about having step-sons is like, I never really had to be that way. You know what I mean? I always got to be like, chill and like,

it's your kid. I let you handle it. And I was always, I'm here for you if you need me. Oh my God. Definitely would not. I did. I got the best of all the worlds. But I definitely would not be that way. No, no. Yeah. But I can imagine that. You know, I can imagine there's a grief. I mean, I even went through, I think I've told you this before, that I hit a point in my perimenopausal years that I was just, like, so frustrated. And I couldn't find the door out. I think that's the problem about menopause. Sometimes you can't mentally find the door out. And I was meditating, and I had this thought, like, stop being so mad at my ovaries. Like, my ovaries. What did they ever do you? What did they ever do? Like every single month they've shown up and released an egg. And they've done it very rhythmically. And now they're going into retirement and they produce two, two beautiful children for me. So there, but there was like this real, you know, if you think about men, men don't have an organ inside them that stops working. Right. Well, and that's the thing. There is a bit of death that goes along with it. Like there's, there's a real reason why grief shows up, I think. And yeah, I'm, I'm, I don't think I'm afraid of it. It just makes me a little.

sad. Yeah. Are you scared of aging? No. Not really. The most annoying thing right now is the the five pounds that I can't seem to move. Yeah. I'm like, where did this come from? Because I, you know, when I started, we did start me on a low dose estrogen patch. And since then, I'm like, oh, my body's changed a little bit. And but we had this conversation last night. I'm like, why? Why is this happening? Well, because I'm doing a fitting for the show that I'm about to do. And I'm like, oh, it's like I have to get over the fact that like my body's just shifted a little bit.

It's not like drastic where everybody like, you know, it's just it shifted for me. And but my mind, I'm not, you know, I don't have as many challenges when I ovulate or, you know, there's, there was all these things I was dealing with my cycle where it was just, I would have these, like, three or four days here and there that were just like really intense. And ever since we've started with estrogen, I'm much more even keeled. You're not as bitey. I'm not as bitey. And like, I'm sure my husband's excited about that. And so, you know, you, for me, like just mentally being able to be clearer and a little more stable has, you know, I give up a couple pounds. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, I think we've talked about this. I think this is a really big challenge when we're going to bioidenticals especially, it's like, okay, do I want mental health? And yes, I would take mental health over any other health, you know, any given day. But am I willing to carry these extra five pounds in places that don't feel good? And a couple of years ago, I would say I would not. I would have been like, oh, no, I'm not like, take me off this patch. Yeah. What about, what about like wrinkles? Do you, have you thought about doing Botox? I actually, I have an amazing facialist that like zaps my face into submission.

And like, I have not, thank you. I've not put Botox in my face in a long time. I did a long time ago. Way too young. Yeah. It was just, you know, because I was afraid of getting wrinkle. But now, like, I like my face to move and be expressive. And it's not to say that I won't.

Like, I don't know. I'm not against it. I just don't, I don't, that's not the path for me right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's just, there's too much on the toxic load that we just don't know enough about. It's so true. And that's when you really think of what you're putting in your body. And I found. other ways to be able to work with this. So until that stops working and we need to find a new path. No, I'm clean. Yeah. Okay. And what about your breast implants? Yes. They're still there. Yeah. What have you thought about for those? I like them. You like them. They're friends.

I like them. And he's happy with them. Yeah. Exactly. I was telling you, I was like looking at myself after the shower and realize, like I don't even realize that they're there anymore. No, we've talked about this. like we that's the one thing it's a big commitment to big commitment yeah and i've i have i've just i haven't been willing to go there yet and not that i'm not willing to talk about it because we've actually had a lot of discussions about this yeah but that's you know like you've always told me that's a big commitment if we can take out let's see where we get without that and then if there was any toxicity from that i think ebo's definitely helped i have never found like i've heard i've looked i've done my research on it. I've heard a lot of women talk about the issues that they've dealt with. And I don't

find myself relating to those. And if if there was anything there, like I said, at Wethink, we found ways to clean my system. So it's not to say that I won't ever take them out. At some point, I'm going to have to either, I'm going to have to figure out what to do with them. Because they do expire. They do expire at a certain point. So we're coming up to that in the next few years. So I'm going to have to figure out what I want to do. And if there's another, there's another way to remove these, then, yeah, I'm open. What blew me away with you on the breast implants and why I want to bring it up to my audience is that I think there's a lot of messaging out there that like breast plant illness, you got to get them out. You got them get them out. And I would say I was in that camp

until I walked your health journey. Because in the back of my mind, I was like, can't, I literally was asking myself, like, can we do this without cleaning up your mouth? and cleaning and taking breasts out, like, and just taking every toxin out of the body. And we have. I mean, Ibu was such a hero. And everything we did, but we've been able to do it without. So the reason that toxins become symptomatic is because the body can't adapt anymore. And so it's like overloaded because there's way too many.

But we pulled so many toxins out that the body is regulating and adapting if those are still toxic issues for you. Yeah. No, it's definitely. Yeah, no way. I haven't, like I said, I've done a lot of research on it. It's definitely a conversation we've had and it's not something that I've shut the door to at all. But I haven't noticed the symptoms that most women talk about. Yeah. If I did and that was something that I definitely, you know, related to, then I, it would be a major conversation for us. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. It's just a big process. Yeah. Do you do you take the week before your period and try to just chill out? Hmm. Yes. When I'm home, absolutely. When I'm home, you know, it's, you'll find me on my couch. Most days when I'm home, no matter if I'm right before my period or not. But when I'm on the road, I mean, sometimes it's just my, my schedule just doesn't lend itself to that. I keep wanting you to map your schedule around your home. But then my period will start like three days early and then I'm totally screwed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then I end up with the show somehow. on, you know, my period. But if I am, you know, I will let my body rest all day until I have to.

But, I mean, I'm going in to do this thing in Australia and like my first four days of shooting, which are like 15 hour days, I will be on my period. On your period. I will be on your period. But that'll be okay. That on your period won't be as bad as. It'll be. It's like two days before and then start.

Oh, yeah. That is the chance. It's the two days before that are like the war. So, yeah. I'm not going to be there. I know. that and I feel sad for him.

It'll be great. Okay, talk about what you're going to do because this may have been, this may be the greatest hack. Human experiment of all time. Yes. Talk about it because I think we'll have an update. Yes, we will.

So I'm actually going to film The Voice. I'm going to be a coach on The Voice in Australia and also in the UK at the same time. Because you're an overachiever. I am. I mean, yeah, if I was going to do it, I was going to go big. So one of, the UK and Australia overlap by five days during this one period of time.

And then I go back to film Australia and then I don't go actually to film the rest of the UK until May. So I have a show May 8th at the O2 and then after that, then I stay and then film the rest of it. But there is this one overlapping week. So I'll be flying from L.A. to Sydney for 10 days. Sydney to Manchester by way of Dubai for five days and then back to Sydney for like two and a half weeks and then home for two weeks and then back to Sydney and then home. So it's, I'm gone for like six weeks. It's literally the biggest jet lag quagmire I've ever seen. So you've been doing a lot of research. I've been doing some research. What are you going to use? What's like some of your big

hacks? Well, let's see. I mean, a lot of things we just mentioned, obviously, I'll be taking my NAD and and my methylame blue and I'll be doing NAD stuff before. I'm doing Eboo before. But I'm also utilizing light to help reset my body clock. So I forgot what the glasses are called. Retimer. Retimer. I got retimer glasses that are supposed to give off blue and green lights.

You just put them on for like and they're supposed to help you adjust your body clock. I have my blue light blocking glasses, which I've actually started using now at home, like a couple hours before bed and I do find that that helps me sleep. Grounding mat. I was just about to say, I have my grounding mat, which I've been sleeping on at home with the grounding pillow, which I love. I am going to be taking that with me. I'm still trying to figure out how to do that on the plane.

We're going to figure that out. And what else am I doing? The light is one of the biggest things and trying to adjust. Like I'm going to try to adjust probably like five, six days out where I kind of go to bed a little bit later. You have an app that used that might be out for? Yes. What's that app called?

Time. No. Time shifter? Time shifter. Yeah. The time shifter app. Yeah. Okay.

Which is super helpful. Yeah. You just put it on your information of your flights and it'll break it down. But that only breaks it down for about two days before. They start to tell you, I'm thinking I need any few days before. Yeah. And we're also going to try the hack of food. Yeah.

I was going to say because there's a whole circadian rhythm to the microbiome. So we're going to try using food timing to get the microbes. I spent actually a whole day down this. this path. And it's like, which came first, the chicken or the egg? Do the microbes control our circadian rhythm or does our circadian rhythm control the microbes? Yeah, I think I came to the conclusion that the stimulation of the microbes controls the circadian rhythm. It's a feedback loop for sure. That makes sense. So, but that's kind of where I, where I want to. So, so, yeah. So can people follow you? Like, we'd be posting on Instagram? Yeah, I'm definitely. I have like a whole kit that I,

that I have put together of like, I mean, I've down to like the right sleep mask to the earplugs to the everything. So yeah, I'll definitely be showing a little bit of my journey. We'll see what happens. I mean, it's going to, it's going to be a lot. I mean, I think there's, especially when there's the time from Sydney to Manchester, and I'm only there for five days. And it's literally the time is inverted. Yeah. So it's the worst time zone change. That'll be challenging. Yeah. But I mean, I'm rolling with it. Yeah. And so if you find something you like, I think hopefully you'll post it somewhere like on your website or something so people can know what worked. For sure. So because I think that'll be you may,

you may have, I feel like if anybody needs to solve the jet lag hack, it's Leanne Rhymes. Yeah. I mean, we've got, we've got, we've got Militon and Suppositories. We've got, I mean, we've got all of this. Yeah. It's going to be, it's going to be good. As long as I'm there and I've given my all and I've, you know, I've helped people on their job. journey, then, yeah. And you end the whole thing in London. So if people, and you're doing a big show there. So if people want to see you there. Yes. We're doing, we're playing the O2 arena on May 8th, which I'm very excited about. Awesome. Yeah, that'll actually be my first show this year. Awesome. Okay, here's my last question. This is what I've been asking everybody this season. What is health to you? Like, we look at it like it's a destination. But what does health mean to you and what's your next health goal? Well, health, I think for me, is consistency. Like when I can string together days that are

consistent and I'm waking up finding joy in my days and I'm not struggling where I have energy, I think the biggest thing for me, what I equate health to is to be vibrant and have energy. Yeah. To do what I want to do. Yeah. With life. Whatever. That's what I'm that may be. So I think for, I think I go back to that consistency piece. It's like how, I guess my goal is like just more consistency. Like, you know what I mean? Like to be able. Consistency mean good days. Yeah. More consistent good days. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, especially as I go deeper into the menopausal journey. Like, you know, I look at, yeah, I mean, I think all the things that I do now, if I didn't do,

what I am doing and have control of my health the way that I do now. I mean, I really do think I would be in a very, very different place. And so, yeah, just consistent good days. As long as, as long as we keep on that path, like that feels good to me. Yeah. Yeah, you know, that was the goal of the menopause reset was to give 40-year-old women like, hey, this is where you're going. This is what's going on. Here's a lifestyle tool. And then you have a little more consistency in that turbulence. So, okay, outside of jet lag, I know you're going to say jet lag. conquer jet lag what's your health what's like the next mountain top of health that you're focused on? Huh.

I don't know. That's a good question. I don't even know if I know for you. Yeah. I think it will be just as you go through your 40s making it a smooth override. Yeah. I think that's definitely. Yeah.

I think that that would be what I tell people about my pancake situation. Yeah. Yeah. Talk about everybody knows that they're completely normal. Yeah. No, I was making these mock up pancakes, which are so good for my progesterone that I needed at the time. And I flipped out when they weren't coming out that was using different flowers than normal. And they just were thicker than I wanted them to be.

And I literally thought the world was ending. And I picked a voxer or a voxed minding. And I was like, oh, I think I just had one of those moments that you speak of. Yeah. That you speak of. Yeah. Yeah. Minipods of women speak of where I literally thought the world was just ending over pancakes.

And I was like, I'm having any like, help me. I'm like, Eddie, help. He's like, why are you so stressed? I'm like, I don't know, but you really have to help me right now. So yeah, and then it like really made me anxious for several hours after and I had to reset myself because I, but it's funny because I, I realized that I was doing it. Like I saw myself. I was watching myself as I was doing it and recognizing, oh, this is one of those moments, which is kind of helpful when you, when you know what you're going through. As opposed to, as opposed to just thinking you're losing your mind. Yeah. Yeah. So I hadn't had one of those before. That was my first experience. I had a hot flash like a few months ago

during the day, which I'd never had before it, which I did think I was, I thought I was dying for a moment. It's a very unique experience. But it's kind of like, it's like getting your period. I'm like, oh my God, I hadn't my first hot flash. Oh my God. Oh my God. What I want to say is like, welcome young Pam. Yeah, exactly. Welcome to the metapause world. I know. It's a thing. Yeah. It's a thing. So as long as I can like, as long as we can navigate those. moments where they're not like taking over my life. I think I'm doing pretty good. I'm just going to close by saying this that I adore you. Thank you. I just I love your heart. I love your soul. I love who you are. I also love that you're so transparent. I think somebody in your position deserves privacy. And you are,

you know, at a moment when hormones are changing and everything's changing. You're so out there and showing what you're doing. And I have because I think it like the more. we have these discussions. I mean, I just talked about, you know, I had some abnormal cells removed from my cervix. And it was the first thing I wanted to do is go tell people about it, which is like, not normally the thing, but it just reminded people of, hey, get check, you know, get your checkups and like make sure you're taking care of your help because it's something as women, we can put on the back burner. So many people are afraid. Like, it's so uncomfortable to go into the gynecologist. And, you know, there's cervical cancer doesn't have symptoms. And like, we just, we don't talk enough

about these things. And so like I said, it was the first thing I wanted to talk about to remind people. And it was crazy the amount of feedback that I got from women who, thank you for the reminder, like, I need to go do this. Or all the different stories I heard from different experiences people had around the same procedure. Yeah. And so, yeah, I feel like we just need more discussion around health. And because I have a platform to be able, you know, to speak on things and that people listen, I'm always wanting to discuss it. It makes me feel less alone too. Oh, yeah, I'm sure. You know, it's like, yes, I want my privacy, but at the same time, like, I'm human.

And this is just, you know, we're just talking about human things. And that's really important to me. But at a time when so many women look at other women on social and compare themselves and feel less than, you know, it's really easy, again, somebody in your position to, for people to project on to you. Yeah, very much. And every time you are authentic. It's just so liberating. But not just for you. I think you really free other other.

women and I just, I appreciate you for that. I appreciate you for a lot of things. Thank you. I love how you use your platform to just show your journeys. Thank you. This is so good. We'll have more update. Thank you so much for joining me in today's episode.

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