Live Like a Girl with Dr. Mindy Pelz - Fatal Conveniences: How EMFs (electromagnetic fields) Affect Our Health with Darin Olien

Episode Date: October 27, 2023

Toxins expert Darin Olien discusses dangers like EMFs and forever chemicals, emphasizing personal responsibility and informed choices to minimize exposure. He also offers some DIY solutions and suggests that awareness is the key for positive change. The episode covers a range of topics, from the dangers of EMFs from devices like Wi-Fi and Bluetooth to the insidious "forever chemicals" called PFOAs and how to make informed food choices. Make sure to listen closely for invaluable insights on mitigating toxins and preventing chronic diseases, offering hope and a path toward healthier living. You are going to love this enlightening conversation on an urgent topic that affects us all. To view full show notes, more information on our guests, resources mentioned in the episode, discount codes, transcripts, and more, visit https://www.drmindypelz.com/ep204. After spending nearly 20 years exploring the planet discovering new and underutilized exotic foods and medicinal plants as a Superfood hunter Darin Olien developed, Shakeology and the plant-based Ultimate Reset 21-day detoxification program. From his years of experience within the health space, he wrote his New York Times best-selling book, SuperLife: The five fixes that will keep you healthy, fit and eternally awesome, as well as his new book, Fatal Conveniences. As host of the widely popular podcast The Darin Olien Show, Darin curiously explores people, solutions, and health as well as life's Fatal Conveniences™ – a segment of the show uncovering modern-day flaws and challenges that may be undermining our health and our environment.  Check out our fasting membership at resetacademy.drmindypelz.com. Please note our medical disclaimer.

On this episode of The Resetter podcast, I am bringing you Darren O'Lean. If you watch this interview on YouTube, you may recognize him as he was on a Netflix docu-series called Down to Earth with Zach Afron. It was really interesting. My husband and I got really pulled into it because they were going over around the world talking about all the health habits that were happening around the world that we could bring back to our homes. Now, he also has published a book called Super Life, which is the five simple fixes that will make

you healthy fit and eternally awesome. I love the word awesome. And he is an podcast host and he is a wellness expert and he's passionate superfoods, which is always really fun to dive into. And on this episode, here's what I want you to know about what you're about to hear. He has got a current book out called Fatal Conveniences. Now, this. This is a very complex topic. And so I want to leave you some thought here before you dive into this episode. First, what we go into talking about are toxins that we are exposed to every single day. And what's really hard about explaining toxins to you all is that there's so many of them.

And it gets so depressing. And there's not always a great solution. but if we're not aware of it, chronic disease will continue to ensue. Cancer will continue to build. We've got to start to understand toxins. And I love Darren's approach because he talks about it's the micro-dosing of toxins that's destroying us. It's the small little amounts that are affecting us.

And if we're aware of that, then we can start to take small little steps to unwind those toxins for long-term longevity and prevention of disease. So when you hear what we're going to talk about, which we talked about EMFs, that was a really interesting one. I really wanted to dive in. He had done a ton of research on Wi-Fi and our phones and our AirPods and all the conveniences that we love and how can we use those safely. I think that was a really important part of this conversation. And then we went into a really important toxin for you all to know about, which are PFOAs. They are forever chemicals. They do not exit out of our environment, and they take a long time to exit out of our bodies.

And what do we need to know about picking foods that don't have these forever chemicals in them? So there's a lot here. I want you to listen all the way through because I want you to be safe. I want to help you prevent chronic disease. Those of you that are trying to balance your hormones, it's super important to me that you understand that there is an endocrine disrupting part to the toxins that Darren is going to highlight here.

But I don't want you to lose hope. I want you to understand that once you're aware, you can take small steps to unwind that. So it's a beautiful conversation with a beautiful man who you will see is very passionate and as disturbed as I am at how come, companies are allowed to continue to put these cancer causing, reproductive, damaging, life-altering chemicals into our environment. And it's time for us to be aware. So as always, I hope this moves

the needle forward on your health. This is a really good one. It's very near and dear to my heart. And take it, apply it, and let's keep talking about it. It's that big of a topic. Enjoy. Hey, Dr. Mindy here. And welcome to season four. of the Resetter podcast, please know that this podcast is all about empowering you to believe in yourself again. If you have a passion for learning, if you're looking to be in control of your health and take your power back, this is the podcast for you. Enjoy. So the first thing I want to do is welcome you to my podcast. I'm really excited for the conversation. So thank you for being here, Darren. I really appreciate you. grateful to be here, Mindy, and I'm grateful for all the work you're doing as well.

Yeah, and I think you said it right. We're like both in the trenches, fighting the fight. And one of the things that I've learned is that the powers that be that are toxifying us are very difficult to overcome, but what we can do is take personal responsibility. So books like the one you just put out are really important for us to wake up. So I just want to start off by saying that. We got it. got to wake up and it has to be on an individual level and I'm sure you agree. A million percent and that's where the optimism comes in, right? And it's like that's where the bite size changes of what an individual can do and become aware of and you do it so well too on your website and breaking things down so that people can choose. And that's what it is.

And we always have numbers on our side. We unfortunately, it's literally, the world of opposites. It's a Twilight Zone episodes that we're literally inside of. And the fact that we even have to have a conversation about this, the fact that I have, that I wrote a book about it, that you have to dedicate a lot of your time, it just tells us that this is a ridiculous scenario. When we've looked at it long enough like you and I, you just, I still scratch my head. I'm like, you're reading this stuff. You're reading the research. And yet, knowingly, these agencies are still allowing this stuff out. And you're like, this is, this makes no sense. No. Other than the only one I can, the only, the only conclusion I can make is

the profit and power is so much greater than health and safety of us. And so we do have to, And it's that slippery slope, I'm sure you find too, that people can easily get into the overwhelmed conversation because it's proliferated in so many aspects of our life in every aspect of our life. So yeah. So yeah. It's bad. It baffles me as well. And every time I go on any kind of interview and I'm asked about toxins, I literally like take a deep breath in and I'm like, okay, are you ready? This is going to get really depressing, really quick. And it's so hard. There's like, I can't give you a positive of this other than we need to wake up and we need a loud voice. So one of the things I love about your new book, and I think it's a beautiful way to start this

conversation, here's the rub. It is these modern conveniences. It's the things we love. It's the things that are making our life easier that are potentially killing us. And we've got to be aware of that. So can we start with what are, give us some of the big things we need to know about how these modern conveniences, what they are. And is there an alternative? Like, does that mean life has to become inconvenient? Or is what we need to know about these modern conveniences? Yeah. And that's it. It's like, and with these conveniences that just are kind of adopted every day, all day, and we're all, listen, we're all born into it. I didn't choose it, but it's like all of a sudden a phone is in my face and now everyone has them. And like, let's just talk about how amazing the conveniences are.

Yeah. Right? To walk around with the phone, I remember like superfood hunting in the middle I was lost. And like, I'm like, holy shit, where do I go? there's a trail and it's supposed to be a road. And I remember one of the first times I used the phones GPS and it found me in the middle of the freaking Andes in South America. And so that's amazing, right?

It's an amazing accomplishment what we've done and to be able to provide really way more food than we actually even need because we're wasting 30 to 50% of the food that were created and of course we can talk about what kind of food that is which is also the rub of food itself is now remanufactured and then sold back to us so these conveniences are crazy like it's like let's talk about tap water yeah for god's sakes i can go to my sink and turn on demand water when you have two billion people in the world that absolutely don't even know essentially what clean water even looks like, right, with a jerry can and going to a bacteria and virus-infected water source and playing Russian roulette with drinking water. So let's go,

holy shit, we've done a lot of things in a car. The leading cause of children dying is in a car, right? That's crazy. Yeah. And, but, yet we carry on. Yeah. And we use these things. And so the amazing aspect of this is, I don't want to be inconvenienced because now I'm so used to. But we are not asking questions because the man or woman making the choices who are wielding the wand of these are safe in our world simply doesn't exist. Yeah. And the tricky thing with science these days, is it's also cherry-picked. So there'll be a whole bunch of good stuff that they're shown

and let's invoke the toxic substance control act. Wait a minute. Why would you need to invoke something that you should have been already governing, right? So it's like, what are you talking about? So then the publicized versions of that are out there. but yet for every good thing they see or show or talk about, there's a hundred others that they're not regulating. And so we come into this world where we're like, okay,

studies showing we're already being infected with toxic chemicals in the umbilical cord of children. That would probably when you and I grew up, that border, right? That placental border of the woman to the child. that that was uncrossable. Yeah. Oh, so well.

Yeah. Right. It wasn't, do what you want. Hell, my mom, she didn't drink that much. My dad was the alcoholic, but my mom was smoking. Oh, yeah. So was my grandma. My grandma smoked when she had my mom.

And yeah. It's crazy. Yes. Yeah. So they didn't know. And then you also come to find out that one thing that scared me because I didn't know going into the book and I had about 15 to 20 researchers and what one of the things that scared me which I again I didn't know I knew the gyloa with proximity and duration of EMFs and cell phones

close to the body and close to that that's that was problematic hell I a buddy of mine a researcher 20 years ago was telling me about that and what what really was scary to me was the blood brain barrier was showing to be opened with proximity and duration of these polarized EMF exposures. And I was like, what? Yeah, that's been around for a while, by the way. Like you said, just nobody wants to know that because the phone is quite convenient. You're absolutely right. Yeah. So it's this carcinogenic stick we're running around with. But again, let's just, there are ways to live in this world, right? There are ways like I just told you like I'm in the woods and so just to get a hardwired wire from AT&T took me three months when I first moved here in 2016 and it's been spotty ever since

and I finally and this is like this is this was a moral dilemma my moral dilemma was I don't like at all the fact that Starlink and Elon Musk and all these other people are putting tens of thousands, nearly 40 to 50,000 satellites and micro satellites in our ionosphere and then blasting us with 5G. I'm massively against all of that. I think we should bury the wires. I think we should go back. So in order for me to live and to be on my purpose, I couldn't function living here and then being a business owner. And so I had to buy a Starlink. And then I hardwired it inside my house so that I don't have extra EMF. So it was a moral dilemma. My point to that is I made a choice, but I also made a choice that is minimizing personal exposure, right? Hard wiring

things back in. You and I are both plugged in as we're listening here. We're Bluetooth's and all that stuff. So there's a lot of ways and largely, if people look at my life, you don't see a difference, but I'm not having a phone in my pocket on. Right. Right. It's on airplane mode. So the conveniences are there. We can still exercise them. But my God, we have a lot of choices that if you don't make them, especially when you're talking about those micro exposures that you know so well, the endocrine disruptors, the lotions, the thallates, the parabins, the Phafos, which we're just getting, we're getting inoculated every day all day

and reapplying all of these things. That's where, hey, we're not saying live out under your oak tree and don't use deodorant. Yeah, and drop out of society. I want to point out two really interesting things because you really bring some key pieces to this conversation that I do not want people to miss.

For starters, the conversation needs to be had. And in this world where we're like, I like you, I don't like you. You're one of me. You're not one of me. We have lost the art to critically think. And I'm personally, I'm getting really exhausted with it because people don't know how to think anymore. They see a 90 second real and they're like, you're out. I don't like you. But when we have such an important conversation like what is going on with these micro toxins and how are they little by little destroying us, that conversation needs to be open. Second thing, science. All you got to do is go and look at who funds the science, who's on the

science study. Like, science has to be considered something where we are getting into the ballpark and we're understanding it, but it's not the end all be all. And we have gotten the cancel culture of, I don't want to talk to you because you don't agree with me. And if it's not scientific, then it's not real. That has destroyed our ability to have a conversation like you and I are having. So I need to point that out because that's, I've hit enough. I've hit my limit with that attitude. And I know you have shared the same belief with me. So. Yeah. I mean, just from a common sense standpoint, like we, we have gotten so used to conflicts of interest. Yeah. It's like, it's like, what do you mean you can still have these toxic compounds? And then just with your lobbying dollars,

get this pushed in and loopholes of fragrances and flavoring agents and flow agents and like you don't have to disclose any of it because a lot of things what is the first thing people say well look on the back of a package and make sure you know what's in the product we know how do you understand that you got to go google it yeah you don't not only do you not understand it there's loopholes that they're not even telling you is in there do you look on the back of a of a can and say Does it have BPA or BPH in it? No, I mean, yeah, now they're starting to push back and BPA is BPA-free, but they also create three, four other different versions of that and then use that.

And it's maybe BPA-free, but it's not BPA-H-free. Right? So it's like, it's, yeah, it's a whack-a-mole. It's a game of whack-a-mole. And the customer, it's impossible for a customer to know that. So it takes this level of, again, I didn't want to do this. Right. But I was compelled to do it.

I was compelled to do it and spent two and a half years of my life. And the last year, every weekend, every day. Like, it's, and it was almost impossible to conclude and even finalize a book because it's so gnarly. It's very thing. When you peel and you keep healing, I mean, the history of electrification will blow your mind to tweak your brain and go, wait a minute. They already knew the frequencies and electromagnetic fields just coming off of wires and UHF radio towers.

They already knew that this is, mammals were being affected and migration patterns. And it's like, that's not even remotely getting into 1G, 2G, 3G, G, 4G, 5G. So it's blasted on us as a population. and then with no accountability and no real safety. And if you really look at like what real scientists and real people with their common sense had still squared on, all they're asking is questions.

Yeah, just question it. Yeah. And can we have the conversation about it? Can you? So just again, this is the part like if you're listening and you're like, wow, this is getting really depressing. It is depressing. but can we, what can we do? Give us some practical. What I love about your book is the idea that they're little small steps. If there are small steps of these toxins that are making us sick,

what are the small steps we can take to make ourselves well in this toxic world? Yeah. I mean, everything is rooted in a habit. So you're in habit, right? So a lot of these things, you're buying the same laundry detergent. So you have to actually go, oh, I never questioned whether that was healthy or not. When in fact, maybe with my children, I can make a great DIY. Or if you're really lazy, you can just put organic vinegar in with some lavender. Well, hell, I just did that the other day because my dog's beds were just crazy. And I just washed them in vinegar.

And it doesn't smell. It doesn't. So there's a lot of, it's just a matter of these products need questions, right? But there's, again, there's a lot of DIYs. And luckily, because of, from EMF fields, electrosensitivity and more people, because we're just getting blasted with this, more people with multiple chemical sensitivities,

there's more people. This is becoming, and then food sensitivities, food allergies, like it's screaming at us. So, so like, for example, like I said, like the cell phone itself. I never ever put that thing up to my right yeah me neither right so so if I'm around and I am home I can receive a call and it's on speaker mode and if I'm somewhere else or listening to something on a plane I'm plugged in right and even the next version is the air tubes

right so there's no EMFs even traveling through the wire at that point getting to my head so again people if they have a takeaway with electromagnetics or cell phones in particular smart devices which is not smart at all I would take that and just say that's the opposite it's a very dumb device it's going to blast you with electrical pollution and stress but when you think about that proximity how close a device is to you and how long it is close it is close to you. That's where it really, the wheels start coming off when it comes to the stress responses, when it comes to, oh, the gyloa and the tumors and the things, but this is not just showing up. This is not acute. This is every day all day. So as it relates to the cell phone, still have it,

but just, and if you even want to use a stylus, if you're on the desk, you can have a stylus. Like I have a stylus right here. So I put my cell phone on a stand and then I'm just using my cell phone with my stylus and I'm not touching it. So there's all kinds of little things that you can do again, turn your phone off or put it on airplane mode when it's on your body. Yeah, that's what I was wondering. If you think you're going to receive a call, just yeah, then just keep your hold it. And now it's starting to come out, which is it was always in the owner's manual of a phone. That you're not supposed to keep it in, I think, nine centimeters of your body.

It's in the owner's manual, like four inches from the Apple phone. Well, not to call out one product, I'm sure they all say the same thing, but it says that. So everybody's motivated because I think EMFs is a very interesting one. And I just want to come back to this idea that what we know about EMFs right now is that it does create destruction to the blood-brain barrier. And the blood brain barrier is exactly that. It blocks stuff from getting into your brain. And there's a new concept called leaky brain where that brain barrier gets, its integrity is lost. And now toxins can get in. inflammation starts. Is there anything else we need to know about EMF's phones and what it does to our brains? Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, those are big indicators because I really saw that one study was like allowing the proteins and albumin to go right. into the brain and that it's just like this cascade of inflammatory responses and again it's like if you're doing this oh and people would say oh well i'm listening to a i'm using my phone right now i don't

feel anything right like and just just like okay well eat an apple do you feel you have you have energy to run a marathon after eating an apple no this is we live in a bliss more than anyone we live in a homeopathic world essentially right a little a little bit of sun, some good rest, get some water. But also on the other side, if you keep getting exposed to the thallates and the endocrine disruptors and the Phaas, over time, this starts to create the disharmony over that period of time. So the micro doses is really what we're talking about. Yeah, that was good because I think EMFs is a scary, big topic. And I like that it's about changing your habit with it. We're not saying like shut your phone off or I mean I love you're out in

the woods and you've got Starly you've had to Wi-Fi and I think that's all great but to make this applicable for people put it on airplane mode when it goes in your pocket. Yeah so the EMFs thing like at minimum just unplug turn off your Wi-Fi router at night you don't need it on and just to kind of create a context for people maybe hearing this for the first time or it's hard for them to grasp, yes, this is an invisible electromagnetic world. You can't see it. It's even worse than the telecommunicator, or excuse me, the tobacco industry, right? And they kicked that can down the road and lied for 40 years. So imagine the telecommunication company is ranking up there as doing very similar things. They know that this is harmful with proximity and duration. So you talk about

just quickly, ionizing radiation, we know it rips a DNA apart. It's x-rays. It's on that spectrum. But it's easy to say, well, this is not ionizing. And so where the science is starting to show is, yes, it's not acutely ripping your DNA apart. But again, over time, it's causing, and everyone can understand this, it's causing stress in the body. How is it doing that? On a cellular level, it's increasing free radical oxygen species, right? It's creating free radicals. So your body is under attack.

It's like the crazy thing, Dr. Mindy, it was like for me when I was reading the EMF stuff and then I go back to the chemical exposures from our personal care. I'm like, oh my God, it's like the same thing. It's almost as if these EMFs are acting like these chemicals are because they are effective. They're showing the stress responses on a cellular level. And then the freaking sperm motility is going down to testosterone activity, potential links to endometriosis.

Like this and breast cancer and proxamation of cell phones and all women, please take the cell phone out of your sports bra and men, please take it out of your damn pocket. Again, proximity. And so these are the scary thing. So those kind of stress responses kept showing up over and over again. And then the brain stuff as it relates to the opening of that blood brain barrier, inflammatory responses. And then, of course, the tumor-like effects that are going on. And I really think that has more to do with the RNA and DNA signaling, because you're always in, oh, this is the other way. So when your body is naturally an atophagene,

and it's getting rid of cells and cell death, that was interesting to me. Seeing the studies where naturally the body knows how to get rid of it. Especially through fasting and everything else, actually a tribute to do a fasting today. Yeah, thank you. So much. Not for you.

other than it was for you because I knew I was going to be talking to you, but I knew I needed to. And so I was like, well, I'm fascinated today. So that atopathy pathway starts to get thwarted by the electromagnetic fields. And so if you have a cell that's no longer viable and dead, right? And the body is trying to get rid of it and it can't or the pathway is changed or altered. What do you think happens? Now you're talking about terrain. Now the terrain is starting to change. And now you're starting to understand that once the terrain has changed, the landscape of how the body is dealing with something is changing. And then that opens up a whole can of worms of what terrain and germ theory is. But when you're not able to get rid of it, that's where carcinogenic activity can really take whole. This is super interesting. You've got my fasting brain sparked now. So autophagy, and most my listeners know, but I want to bring it to the surface,

is the cell's ability to repair itself in the most basic sense. So are you saying that with EMF exposure, that is damaging the atophagy capabilities of a cell? Yeah, that's what the research was showing. And it's like, well, yeah, so what do you think is going to happen? with that environment if that is not able to be done. And so when then I'm wondering is if you put yourself in a fasted state trying to stimulate autophagy, then is, will it reinvigorate that part of the cell? And we probably don't have any studies showing exactly that. But I don't know, maybe in like, is there a way to bring autophagy back online knowing that we're like if I live in

a city and I've got a lot of EMFs coming in my home? If it's if atopathy, if atophagy, being shut down from that, can I bring it back online with things like fasting? Yeah, I mean, you have some interesting questions and ideas in that because on the one hand, isn't an overwhelming stress response, right? Is it just that continuous exposure causing more and more stress? And so is you bind. So the first thing I would say is minimize as much as possible, the exposure, right? So minimize that stress. And that stress is, again, what are you doing with your phone? Where is the Wi-Fi routers? Can you get your ass outside and put your feet on the ground and get rid of some of that polarized essential radiation in your body through grounding? Yeah,

can you talk about that for a moment? Because I love this idea of grounding. And you and Zach did it on your show. You all went out. And that was the first time I'd seen it. But, I don't want to lose that thought because that's a counterbalance to what we're talking about. Talk about why grounding works. Yeah, well, we're living on a battery of the Earth. And the Earth is a depolarized energy fields, right? And so the whole deal comes by way of this polarization. And a great, I'll get to the Earth and grounding, but to understand polarizing and non-polarizing.

life is in what we have here in nature it's non-polarizing now there's a couple examples of that the sun is non-polarizing but you can take we've all done that experiment you take a little magnifying glass you polarize you bring that energy too and then it can burn something and it can start a fire it can do all that stuff also an example of a let's say an energy field if you take a pebble and throw it in the water non-polarizing normal response is the, you see the ripple effect, right? That's non-polarizing waves because it's not polarized. If you threw a pebble or a rock in the water and then it was polarized, it would mean that all of the energy that you threw in the water would then be polarized

into one place and then it could shoot out and essentially be a target, it could target something. If that makes sense. So that's the demonstration of non-polarizing radiation. When we have polarizing radiation, this buildup of stress response in the body, a simple remedy of dumping the pollution of that. The body is trying to balance itself and within the field. It's always doing that. We're feeling and sensing and feeling and sensing our entire light.

And so now we've created fields that are polarizing. So my bodies are feeling and sensing all of this manufacturing fields, which is then what we're seeing is the stress. If I go outside and I put my feet on the ground, you now create that conduction. You're not separated from this magnetic field, this frequent. of the earth and it has the ability to pull those frequencies and create a circuit that allows for that your body to be balanced again. So if I'm out just like let's say I get on a plane because I think the way I've used it is in jet like I get on a plane. I'm pretty much in a tube that's got Wi-Fi coming into it and all other problems. I get to a new time zone.

All that energy is creating chaos within my cells. And when I put my feet on the ground, it gives a direction for that energy to go back into the earth. Is that correct? Okay. Bingo. So it's as basic as every home that we're all sitting in has a copper wire driven into the ground. And the electrical panel of that house and that building is wrapped around that copper and driven into the ground. because we were killing people

when we were not grounding homes in the electrification we're putting in buildings because it would not have the polarizing arcs would not have a place to go and then as soon as you would be in touch, it's arcing on you and that's where it creates danger. Right. So the same thing that we're doing,

literally demonstrating in construction of every home on the planet, we're literally needing to do that ourselves and to ground ourselves. And our biological, I think, aside from the microbiome and the very little still that we know, I think we barely understand the radionics of our systems. We have no idea, which makes it a more important thing that we actually regulate this and prove things safe before we give some.

people, other cell phones, and everything else. It's the most insane thing ever. Okay, so first off, you don't understand electromagnetics. You don't understand how DNA and RNA are even in biophotonics of how the microbiome is even communicating. It's even faster than what they believe the cells are communicating. So how the hell do we even understand that? And then we're just blasting ourselves with, that's fine.

It's more electromagnetic fields. And so, again, we do this stuff as humans and then we don't prove it safety. And then, okay, we'll change it if we find it as not safe. Maybe. A couple of things I just want to make sure that people followed is one, what I love what you said is let's just keep these devices away from our head, way from our body. Second is we can go out and ground and we can do that on a, I would think you probably multiple times a day. would be good to get outside and put your feet on. And the third, what I think would be helpful for people,

now that they kind of understand this, would be what symptoms do we know that are contributed to by EMFs? Do we have any known scientific symptoms? Yeah, I mean, these are, this is tricky because it's not acute, right? It's not, you didn't get in a car accident and break your leg, right? go the car accident broke my leg that's the cause right so so from my father suffering in the 90s from multiple chemical sensitivities to electrosensitivity which is now being recognized by the WHO which WHA whatever right but yeah but so there there is some growing need to acknowledge these

thing. So the importance is that the symptoms. Like I want people to understand because my heart gets really heavy and sad is when you don't understand that you have chronic fatigue or something like that and it's coming from your router. Like I want people to help them make that connection. Yeah. Yeah. So the brain fog was one of the first things my father talked about, the fatigue, the depression and the fibromyalgia, this kind of, it's almost like these symptoms are like when the cup spileth over. It kind of goes into all of these areas. I have no energy. I have, I can't think. And imagine when you're in these places, how are you supposed to make better food choices? How can you motivate to exercise? How do how do, how do you not argue with your

family members. It becomes a self-fulfilling kind of scenario. So, but some of those first things, just try this out. Like turn off that Wi-Fi. Yeah, I was thinking that if you're struggling to sleep, try one night or two nights and just turning off your router and see what that is. And if people start to pinpoint that they are, regardless of your sensitive, we are all being affected by electromagnetic fields, period. And so there's literal, there's Faraday tents you can put over your bed. So if you're an apartment and you can't turn off everyone's Wi-Fi router and there's 20 that comes up, then you can sleep within a Faraday cage that doesn't allow for some of that polarized radiation to come and you might sleep like a baby. So again, like this is foundational stuff.

So if these stress responses are showing and then you can't foundationally sleep, your cascade of events is going to hockey stick, right? And then, of course, you'll wake up with no energy. You'll drink coffee more than water. And then hopefully it's filled through water. Right. Well, you know what? The best way I think to think about this is think about it like a toxic bucket. And your body is accumulating, toxin accumulating. And then all of a sudden one day those toxins hit the top of the bucket and the whole bucket spills over. And you were great one day and the next day you have one immune autoimmune condition and then a year later you have another and then another and another. This is where and why I wanted to keep you on this EMF because I think this is the one

that's not talked about enough is that there are so very simple things we can do around EMF. And if you remove that one, now all the other toxins may not be flaring up for you. And so I just, I'd love loved what you were saying about EMF. Do you feel like there's another category of toxin that would be a big insult? I mean, endocrine disruptors have to be a part of that. But that's a whole you need a graduate degree. Of course. And biochemistry, understand that one. Yeah, it is, it is so complex. But yeah, because of EMFs, they're demonstrating similar patterns. And then when you flip over to the thing that scares me a lot is these forever chemicals, the P-Fosses and the PFOAs, and there's identified 9,000 different derivatives of that. And that comes from, which you also say on your

website, like, change out your pans, don't use Teflon. But that's the godfather, right? So that discovery of Teflon is from these fluorine gases these PFS and PFOAs so what it was it?

It was a hell of a convenience it was heat resistant it was slippery it didn't break down and you didn't have to use butter which you should probably

use anyways right right so you throw on any and it slips right off oh my God this is the best No one thought that there was these chemicals coming off of it. Now, it could not, now maybe most people, especially your listeners, have gotten rid of their pans. But here's the crazy thing.

It's in fire retardants. It's in the wrinkle-free, yeah, your furniture, your carpets, whenever the furniture or the carpets or mattresses or linens when they say, hey, this is stain-resistant, this is wrinkle-free t-shirt. this is waterproofing. These are alarm bells for Phafos and Forever Chemicals. And just to make a stamp on Forever Chemicals, this is a very dangerous category because not only is it an endocrine disruptor, it's probable and keeps going up the ladder

and likely carcinogen. It's connected to testicular cancer, kidney cancer, cholesterol, diabetes. And yeah, and we've played. Just one more thing. We played with these forever chemicals before. Again, we blasted it into our world. And then we find out later, oh, shit, that was a bad idea.

Right. So things like DDT. Right. That's a perfect example. Yep. They threw DDT. Right. And it's in most of people's blood.

today. And that's where the persistence, just because we changed it, doesn't mean that it's changed the environment yet because it's bio accumulating in our environment. The environment is why, as you're talking, like every cell in my body is getting angry. And I realized that this is why I fell in love with fasting because it was so overwhelming that I was like, the only way out is for us to learn a way that doesn't cost money and doesn't take time to get rid of the cells that are damaged by all these toxins. So in your book, I assume you've got mapped this out really nicely so people can chunk it down. Do you give an action plan too as like how you can like start to unwind this so that we can start to have hope again? Yeah, I mean, the whole last third of the book is all solutions for this

stuff. I mean, it was kind of at a point where I, I was finishing, the way I thought about it was from inside out is a way to start. So when we open our mouth, you should really start there with the altering of your chemical exposure. And that can come obviously tap water, obviously processed food. Hell, we just, there was a new study, a guy researcher out of, I think UCLA who was showing. Oh, yeah. No, there's, they say there's, it's only a question of how much you have in your, you plastics wise. It's not if anymore. So, right. Right. Right. Well. Right. Totally. And so that food and then that food wrapped in whatever it's wrapped in, single use plastics, uh, wrapping your food, hot things.

Obviously, single use plastic and water bottles, things like this. So like filter your water, remineralize it. You can use things as far as she legit as well, but also unrefined salt, add to your water. We're saltwater beings. We need those electrolytes. Those are easy ways to get a glass bottle. Now you've just eliminated environmental pollutions as well as pollutions to you. And you've got clean water.

Those are easy things. And then, yeah, we step out from there and what's the skin being exposed to. and then your second skin, which is your home, what is that, what are those next steps? And then again, you're reclaiming sovereignty. That's what I hear. I really like a book like this is so necessary. Thank you for writing it because I can't even imagine as an author. Like the pain of writing that had to be immense.

So I'm glad you wrote it, not me. I appreciate you on that one. But also I think what I want everybody to take away from is, you know, Darren and I could sit probably and talk about how horrific this is for hours. But the important thing is that we just start to become aware and just take small steps like you're talking about. I'll ever send that. Yeah. That's where the power is. That's the eternal optimist, which I actually am. I have more faith in us. You and I and the people listening. Because we have agency. We always have change. And we have the spirit that. lives within us and we can express that however we need to. And when we realize something is against that spirit of living, then we go, nope, I'm not purchasing that anymore. I'm purchasing this. And again, we have the numbers on our side. Oh, I love that. Where do people find you, Darren?

And how they get the book? Yeah, so Darrenelene.com, anywhere where you love to buy books, I should be there, even on Audible. And yeah, also, well, appreciate you. We need to collaborate more because those of us that are on the front lines trying to educate people. It gets brutal out there. And I just, I appreciate you as a fellow warrior. And let's just keep shouting. And eventually, hopefully people will wake up. So appreciate you.

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