Live Like a Girl with Dr. Mindy Pelz - How to redefine your traumas and make them your life's purpose- With Bobbi Vogel

Episode Date: August 20, 2020

// E P I S O D E   S P O N S O R S  Dry Farm Wine is our Sponsor for today's episode. Get a bottle of wine for a penny! Paleo Valley. Save 10% on your order with the code TheResetterPodcast // R E A D Y • S E T • R E S E T How To Redefine Your Traumas And Make Them Your Life's Purpose This episode is all about the miraculous work that needs to happen to heal your spirit, emotion, and physical body.  Bobbi Vogel is a clairvoyant healer, medical intuitive and executive coach who is guided by Spirit to work with clients in various ways, according to their particular energy needs at that moment. As the founder of Etheric Medicine, she works both in-person at her clinic in Orange County, California and over Zoom. Her work ranges from helping burnt out CEO's find renewed purpose and energy to giving healing sessions to cancer patients and everything in between. Bobbi has been featured on the Montel Williams Show and Maria Menounos' podcast. In this podcast, we cover: Why we need to start paying attention The importance of healing and purpose  How to connect with our faith  About raising the vibration of our planet  Amazing tools for our energy bodies How we are all here for a more profound reason About finding a different perspective on life // R E S O U R C E S   M E N T I O N E D Bobbi Vogel's Website Bobbi's YouTube Bobbi's Facebook Bobbi's Instagram Bobbi's Twitter // F O L L O W Instagram | @dr.mindypelz & @theresetterpodcast Facebook | /drmindypelz & /theresetterpodcast Youtube | /drmindypelz

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My name is Dr. Mindy Pels and I want to thank you for spending part of your day with me. Okay, resetters. So we are going to take a totally different twist from many of the science-based podcast that we've done. And we are going to dive into what we call etheric medicine. Now, what is so interesting about my next guest is it's very common to hear the term etheric or clairvoyant and to dismiss the potency of a healer of her magnitude. But what you're going to hear on this podcast is some incredible miracle. that she has seen with patients using etheric medicine. So as you walk through this interview with me with Bobby Vogel,

I want you to stay open to some of the powerful healing concepts that she talks about. So, and I'll dive in. I'll tell you guys here a little history on her because she's been on Montel Williams show. She has some incredible wins. I'm going to give you an update that I just found out about a patient of hers that she mentions in this podcast. But this is a mind-blowing concept about the power of etheric energy medicine to heal someone. And there will be times that your paradigm and what you think healing, where healing comes from will be totally shifted. What did you think, Jess,

what was your takeaway from this interview? Well, I think my biggest takeaway was starting with her journey. The power of self-healing that she had on herself before she got into helping others. But, I mean, she was a big shot real estate agent here in the Silicon Valley. And then her life, like, turned upside down. And she explains the whole thing in there. But just, I think, her mindset to not just give up. And, you know, she talks about wanting to kill herself and how she came back from that. I just think we always have these guests that have pain to purpose stories. And I just really connected with hers. Yeah, and we are definitely in love with the mission-based human being. And here's what's crazy, you guys, is you'll hear it in this interview. She was one day away from suicide.

Like that, to me, when we got talking, I'm like, what is it like to be one day away from suicide? And she got invited to go to, and I'm not going to give it away, she went to a really cool place that I know and had a changing experience that stopped her from killing herself. And she did come from a world of high achievement. And we keep seeing this over and over and over again, where these people that are paying to purpose, people went on a course thinking that life was supposed to look like X, Y, and Z. And then they live that life and they decide, this doesn't, isn't bringing me happiness at all. And then all of a sudden they changed their life into something miraculous like etheric medicine. So it's a really cool pain to purpose story. But let me tell you a little bit

about Bobby Vogel before you hear this interview. So like I said, she was a guest on the Montel Williams show and a really interesting interview because he does not believe in etheric medicine. He does not believe in clairvoyancy. So he actually takes her on and starts to ask her a lot of questions about it. So it's go check out that interview. But here are some of the things that she says that we really resonate with. Her belief is that healing is in the medicine you cannot see. And that faith is everything. And she says that she stands in unwavering as she leads people through a path so that people can live a powerful life of purpose that we all came here to live. And she does that by communicating with energy that is outside of the physical realm.

And so she talks a lot about how we all have this capability, how we all can tap into healing, and her journey to discovering this. So it is a fascinating discussion and how she got to this etheric medicine place. But what I found is really interesting as an update for you all is you're going to hear her talk about a young girl, that she's been working with. And what's really fun about us putting this podcast out now is I saw

on her Facebook a couple of days ago that this young girl is getting huge miracles. And I want to read you a quote that was from this post. And so the young girl's name is Sophie. She's doing energy healing with Bobby. And this is what they said is that Sophie saw her ophthalmologist today and they cannot believe how much her vision has improved. Dr. Artis said that she's never seen this kind of improvement. Dr. Borsh, who has cared for her since she was nine years old, said that this is the best he can remember her seen in years. They were overjoyed, and so are we. They asked us if there were any new changes. The only thing that we have done is work with the renowned medical healer, Bobby Vogel from Etherick Medicine. They even noted this in her chart,

along with the assessment reading, remarkable improvement. So if you are a skeptic about eheric medicine, if you are a skeptic about a medical healer that uses energy medicine, I ask you to keep an open mind and really sit back and enjoy this conversation because it will definitely change paradigms, don't you think, Jess? Yeah. Well, and you know what's so fun for us to have these conversations is that, you know, we always talk about there's three, three categories of interferences,

emotional, chemical, and physical. And we work so much in the physical and chemical world that it's really fun to see different perspectives on how to remove those emotional interferences that we all have and that we all can't necessarily see, but play a huge part in healing and the world of, you know, losing weight or a lot of what our listeners are dealing with, gut issues, things like that. There's always an emotional piece to it that can't be seen, but it is there. So it's fun to bring different tools. Yeah, and stronger for some people. And it's really true because we do see this in working with so many sick people that people get stuck. And then there's something, you know, we're racking our brain. There's something that's holding them back.

And she offers a different perspective that a lot of people aren't stepping into. And you guys, at the end of this podcast, stay tuned because I am going to tell you all I actually had a session with her. So after this interview, I had a session with her and I will tell you what I learned. So stay tuned towards the end and I can hear my experience personally with her. But enjoyed Bobby Vogel. This is another mind-blowing, great heart-based person excited to share her with you. Let's start off with this idea. I have to tell you, that when I saw you on my calendar, so we've been interviewing lots of different people, I was like, I looked you up. I knew you had been on the Craves Summit, what we crave summit.

And I looked at it and I was like, oh, a medical medium. How fascinating is this? And then I went to this place of like, oh, girlfriend, you better get your energy right before you bring this gal on. She's going to see through any bad energy that you got. That's hilarious because a lot of people are like, don't look at me. I'm like, I don't, I wouldn't never intrude like that, you know, unless I feel unsafe or something, which is interesting. Like in public or something, I'll be like, ooh, wrap myself in light, you know, but I don't. People, like, what do you do when you're like at a, you know, at a barbecue and somebody's like, what do you do? What's everybody's response to you?

Sometimes you were like, oh, wow, cool. And other people were like, what does that mean? or other people are like, I'll see you later. Yeah. It's a mixed thing, you know. But it, you know, sometimes, I mean, I was just at a kid's birthday party a couple months ago.

And it's so crazy because the woman was supposed to come do a session with me and I didn't even, it was whatever. And she happened to be at this party with her kid. And I didn't know that. And I was walking by her because she had canceled. And I literally felt almost this like somebody grabbed my arm and whipped me around. And I was like, hey, you know. And the next thing I knew this tall, skinny guy on the other side, she's a young person.

It was her husband who passed from an overdose. And he just started, I'm like, sorry. Like, is it, you know, is it okay, Bob? Like he even gave me, you know, Bob and I, and she's like, it's fine. I talk to him all the time. Wow. So he had, you know, he was, yeah. So just standing there, like giving the message because I'm in service. Unless I went in there and said, you guys don't bother me. That's how it works. I was going to say, does that happen to a lot where people from the other side come through to you in moments like that? Yeah. I mean, like my mom's with me all the time. You know, both my parents around the other side. I always joke that my mom loved perusing the aisles at Ross and Marshalls. So every time I need something like for my clinic or whatever, home, like, hey, mom, I'm trying to find whatever. And the next thing, I'll be like, oh, my God, there's one of them up there. Like, it's so fun. That's got to be convenient. I could use a little like that every once in a while. Yeah, I mean, that's part of what I do. Like, there's the medical intuitive stuff, which is unbelievably fascinating and I'm spirit taught, you know, but then there's the, you know,

faith, healing life, and purpose path, because I like to, you know, or my mission, I don't like to do it. It's like part of my purpose is to connect people to faith and to their own peeps and, you know, God non-denominational because God's the overseer, supervisor of everybody in a loving, compassionate way. We can do no wrong, you know. Because when you connect to that faith, man, and your own peeps, it changed. It's a game changer. That's amazing. You can really, yeah, you can get through anything, you know, because then, you know, when we connect to that faith and we understand that part of our purpose here in a human body is to heal emotional wounds. Because we're all in so much pain, you know? I mean, that's predominantly the people that come, that end up finding me have unexplained illnesses, discomfort. Western medicine can't figure it out. They've been doing all the things that you teach and that you, you teach, and that you, you, You offer and it's just not helpful. It's helpful, but it's not if you don't get the, you know,

because we have emotional wounds that are sitting in our ethereal energy body, you know. And we signed up to heal wounds. Like we chose them and signed up for them. And we also chose a life purpose. Like we didn't just come down here to goof off, you know. And this is on our behalf. I mean, we choose wounds. so that our soul transcends and we start connecting because we're brilliant.

You know, we're very brilliant, highly intelligent, vibrating souls. And then we come in, you know, we come in and take a body and we're like, we have amnesia. Yep. And so, you know, there's people that sign up to create wounds on our behalf. I think that's such a elevated like level of thinking that actually would probably probably help a lot of people to have that understanding. Because somebody who's a control freak like me, like wants to control everything and then to realize, oh, wait, I'm supposed to have some painful experiences so I can process things and move through them because I agreed to have these

experiences before I even showed up. It's deep, but it's also a little like, oh, well, let me just sit back and experience them because I'm not in control here. Yeah. And that's where, you know, when I was talking about connecting to faith, you know, is if, because in that moment when you're like, oh, you can then take it next level, which is, you know, how I found myself in this life purpose from a million other things. And so I started asking, what did I say I would do? You know, what is this, you know, lead me through healing. You don't need to know what it is. See, that's why people end up coming to me because spirit's, spirit knows what it is. And what's crazy is, you know, people will spend years and therapists don't like this much, but people can spend years and years

in therapy. And if you can sit there and talk about whatever it is you keep talking about is not the problem. Yeah. It's the thing under that that we have no recollection of because we go into survival mode. So we don't, so we have like double amnesia, right? And then so this is the beautiful thing is that spirit holds every, they've been with us since even before we came in, but definitely they sign up to be with us throughout this journey. They know we're going to stumble. They know we're going to forget. I mean, they warn us of it. I mean, I see this every day. And so, you know, so then it's like they'll start reminding us or guiding us. And they're, They're holding all of this information for us.

Every experience we've ever had, good, bad, painful, you know, every emotion, everything. So when we need the information, it's available. It's just that everybody's so scared about it. Yeah. That's super powerful. And I want to dive into that deeper because I have heard people say, like, there's no special power that anybody like you particularly has. you're just very open to being able to hear what the other side is talking to you about. Would you agree?

And I know you've done a lot of studies, studying, but. Oh, I haven't. I'm spirit taught. Yeah. I, yeah. I want to dive into the, Akasik. Oh, Akashik record. I like curious about that stuff is really interesting.

Do you want, so the Akashik record. So after my own journey, like I've had a. a lot of, because I'm a badass, I like to say. Yeah. Actually, start with that because I do think, let's bring our viewers up to like your journey. I thought you were a badass when I just looked at your faith at your website. And then I went to your, I love people's pain to purpose stories. And I read your pain to purpose story and I was like, oh my God.

Like, I read it and I'm like, oh, my gosh. Please. Like tell us how. That way, it gave me such an understanding of how you got to this point. And I think it's really important for people to hear. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I'll kind of bottom line it because I have a lot of incredible, you know,

painful things that I've turned to purpose before this. But I'll talk about what actually took me down all the way finally, which is, you know, I was a top producing real estate agent in Oakland, San Francisco for 17 years, had big house, you know, all this stuff. I have an adopted son who's now 18, but I went through a painful divorce, about five, well, let's see. Well, so like 10 years ago, but, you know, it traveled with me, right? Because I didn't understand the level of healing that I needed because I was doing work already, you know? And so I wanted to move to L.A. I've always wanted to live in Venice Beach. I'm from Chicago originally, right? I moved to San Francisco after having spent a week there and it was sunny and hot. And I moved here and I was like, oh, God. I lived in L.A. I grew up in L.A.

And all I wanted to do was move out. You're so lucky. Yeah. My son was in a high care facility because the circumstances of his birth left him with and subsequent neglect for his first 14 months left him with a lot of really challenging issues, which I thought I could just love out of him, you know, being an ex-paramedic, and there's that whole story about that. And so he was in a high care facility in Northern California, and I had just gotten into escrow on five huge properties and was, you know, expecting in 15 days, $225,000 in commission.

So I thought, what better time? And it was in L.A. So these properties were in L.A. from an investor in the Bay Area. So I was like, sweet, I'll kick off my real estate career here in L.A. And I moved to Venice. Three days after I moved, she canceled every one of the contracts, which, you know, so I was like, woo, you know. And so that was the first hit. I like, it's like, it's like this boom, you know, these one, two punches. That's how it's out, you know. I was like, all right, let's regroup, you know. Then I had. had moved my son from northern to southern California to another facility and the and san Francisco county then refused to pay once they got him out of their county they're like sorry but no

he's your kid and he needed high level care so they told me to come get him one day I was at work and they said come get him or we're going to report you for abandonment I was like what yeah no joke How old was he at that point? 12. Wow. And they had just told me the day before at the facility that he, you know, he needed a lot of support, you know, and maybe even a higher level care. And then the next day I get a call come get him. He's, you know, we're not going to help him. Anyway, so I had to go get him. And he had to be in a regular school for the first time in his life.

He was always in special schools, which didn't go. well. One thing, you know, so he wasn't at school all day. He was acting, you know, all this stuff. So I had him home with me and he, I couldn't go to work and eventually, you know, long story short, because I wanted to talk about other things. I found myself, you know, having to leave my Mercedes-Benz in the parking lot at Ross with the keys and taking my plates off. And a sheriff's stick around my door. I'd move from my home to it apart, you know, like getting evicted. And I literally, I couldn't, I didn't have this, what it took to what my son desert, you know, here, I'm not skilled enough. Right. Yeah. So, but I had no support, no nothing. And I can't, I was going to, like, I had a suicide plan. Wow.

And because I, you know, both my parents are on the other side. And I be, I was like, what did I, how horrible a person am I that this is happening? Like I really believed that I was horrible and that that must be why this is happening and that I couldn't see my way out of it. I just could there was, I was doing everything that used to work and nothing worked anymore. People used to call me Midas in Oakland, you know, and now I'm just like nothing worked. And my kid, I couldn't bring to the office anymore because of things. And here I'm riding my beach cruiser around up and down Abbott Kinney, which. which is like one of the wealthiest streets now in America with some belongings in it, you know?

So somebody came into town and directed me. So this was a Saturday and my plan was to take to leave the planet on Monday. Wow. I was going to drop my son off and I had like an hour and a half window before they made him come home. So I was feeling peaceful because I was like, I'm done with this craziness. and it was such an interesting feeling. And a woman came in from Chicago that I had seen 20 years and offered to take. She's like, hey, I'm in town.

I heard you live here. Let me take you to lunch. So I went to lunch. And she said, hey, have you ever heard of this place, Agape? Oh, I know Agape. My mom actually studied as she learned to be a minister at 70. Michael, yeah. Under Michael, yep.

So I didn't know. I was newer, you know, I thought it was a restaurant. So I know I've not heard of it and I didn't care because I wasn't probably going to eat at a restaurant again. Right. Legit. Like that's how I felt. She's like, no, it's a non-denominational church. I heard it's unbelievable.

And I hadn't told her anything because I hadn't seen her a long time and I didn't really want to, you know, it was heavy. Yeah. So I hadn't told her. And for some reason she mentioned it. So I went. So I just said great. And that was a Saturday. I woke up Sunday and I googled it.

And I looked and it was like 20 minutes from it was starting. I said, Jack, let's go, you know, and he begrudgingly got in the car. And I didn't know who Michael back with was. I didn't have any idea. And I sat in the back row. And within a minute, I found myself with my head and my hands down with tears pouring down because, and I understand it now, but it was like he was channeling God on my behalf. He channels for sure.

And you feel like he's speaking to your soul. So I. Well, it saved my life because there were thoughts. Because I was like, there's no way this pertains to everyone in this room, you know. And that's interesting because I think about when I do videos, that's how I feel about it. Whoever needs to hear, it's going to hear it. and that's all I care about. So, but it was my thoughts.

It was my plan, suicide, like the whole thing. And I could hear my parents in what he was saying, then I could hear God and then I could. And I literally felt like I got grabbed by the collar and lifted up. And for the first time in my life, I felt like I was love. Wow. And like, it almost makes me want to cry.

And like I was held. and that I was, people know, like people, you know, they are seeing that I'm in trouble, you know, and that I need help. And that all my, I've been saying, God, please help me, please help me, please help me. Even when I didn't even think I believe in God, I was stripped of everything but faith.

Wow. And I walked out of there for the first time with my head up and said, Jack, let's go to the beach, you know? And I never went back to that thought, that feeling, anything. And after, because I didn't know who Michael is, I just, I saw him walking and I didn't realize those were bodyguards. Yeah, he's kind of a big deal. Yeah, I had no idea. Literally, I was like, wow, this guy's really, you know. And so I walk, I said, Michael, and he turned around and the bodyguard step forward and I just stepped up to him because I you know and I just said you saved my life today

and he just looked at me and he and he went like that to the guys and he hugged me and he walked away and I ended up you know getting evicted after that but I wasn't alone in the eviction and that's really how I felt I felt like okay you guys got this there's a reason for this and I just began walking up and down Venice Beach, every day journaling and praying, sitting at the same lifeguard station. God help me, please help, you know, peeps, mom, dad. Like, this is no joke. What is it that I need to heal? Please tell me because I'm clear now because I could feel this, what I call a slippery pig. Even though I had done so much work, I could feel this. And then a healer said, It's time for you to do ayahuasca.

And I was like, what is that? I went and did ayahuasca. That was nuts. Like, took me. Helpful? Oh, my God. I've heard a lot of mixed feelings on ayahuasca that it can go either way. Some people, we've had some patients that have gone and done it in a very controlled

setting and they come back and they are euphoric. But then there's no lasting like ahas. So maybe it's who guides you through it. That and, you know, now that I work, you know, with spirit in this way, I understand just like with anything, anything. It doesn't matter if it's CBD or the, you know, all the, the keto and the, our souls are so, they're individual, our energy bodies are, are, are, there's only one like it. There's only one soul, one of us. And so not everything's going to work. that you need to find some recipe that works. But for me, because I've only in my work, I've probably done six, six, seven hundred sessions now. I think spirits only told three of them about ayahuasca. Interesting. So it's all, it's, it's just like when we put people on detox programs or we're doing, we do a lot of diet variation and fasting, everybody's path is different. And it all comes down to that basic

principle that the body's miraculous. Yeah. And it has an incredible ability to heal. And so all you're doing is removing interference. And so we come over here and we remove toxic interference, but then somebody like you removes, what would you say, like a spiritual interference? No, so crazy enough, I can, by spirit taught, like step by step, I can actually see the energy body. I can see dehydration. I can see the meridians. I've been taught acupuncture when I know

nothing about it. You know, I mean, this is step by step. So I'm bottom lining it. But, you know, I know and I can see when people take steroids for inflammation or an autoimmune is a horrible idea. Because you swell, you might bring down the external swelling, but it's a horrible idea. It's a horrible idea. It's a horrible idea. I'm a you might bring down the external swelling, but it's, it's, it's, it pushes inward. The swelling still occurs except it starts pushing down on your organs and, and everything's red. It's inflamed and upset. I believe that. Yeah, it's a horrible, you know, I wait to talk about that until it's like every single person I know that gets thrown on steroids that ends up in here with me or on the phone because I can see on same on Skype or Zoom or whatever. And it dehydrates.

Interesting. I believe it. Again, if I come back to this idea around interference, when you put a chemical into the body, you're not healing it. Now the body has to deal with the chemical you just put in it. So it may temporarily make a symptom feel better, but you long term have yourself a problem. Yeah. And it just taxes something else. Yeah. And what's so fascinating and the truth is that so I can, so with all that said, so I can see density. Oh, I can see stagnation first, which anxiety creates stagnation pretty quick because when we're firing off like this, we're not flowing. And we're light bodies, we're energy bodies. First and foremost, we're energy bodies. Our physical, and this is what I know for sure.

our physical bodies are like a hologram of our energy body because the energy body houses our soul comes with that and our physical body houses both right interesting so everybody with autoimmune has anxiety i've not met one person where it didn't it could be low level for your whole life eventually because it creates a level of stagnation in your your ethereal body that we can't see, but the stagnation then, and then you put on emotional wounds, you know, and then you this, and then you take in like what's happening on the planet right now and then that stagnation, along with the emotional wounds that are left unheeled, turns to density. But we can't see this happening, right? So once it turns to density and then it's left there long enough, then it duplicates into the physical body. Yeah.

Interesting. There's a lot of chances to clear that with the things you do, with the thing, you know, like everyone on that summit had an amazing tool. Yeah. For people if they sought it out. And I still believe it all comes back to this principle that we are miraculous. And everybody's tool is just taking it and removing the interference to the miracle. So sometimes you.

you have to use one tool to remove that interference. And sometimes you've got to find like 100 tools. And that's why I think it's so important that people are open to work like what you're doing because sometimes you take all the physical chemical stuff off and you're like, okay, we got to now work on the emotional. We got to work on the spiritual. Like we've got to undo that. Well, it's like the opposite from what I understand because, well, first I wanted to say something

because then I wanted to go on to that. You asked me a question a few minutes ago. A great analogy for people is like, if you think, so this is what anxiety looks like to me. And it starts up here. It doesn't start in the feet. It's always up here, which is why I always send light through. And I calm. That's the first thing I have to do with every single person.

Otherwise, everything's doing this and I can't see. I know it sounds crazy, but it's literally like I, I tune in and I first need, it's like muddy water. And you can like it to, you know, like if you're going to buy a new house and you walk in and the realtor flicks on the light and the lights flickering in the living room, you'd be like, wow, there's a problem with the electricity or the electrical system. I wonder how much that's going to cost. I wonder if it says. You would call an electrician. But see, in our human brains, we need to see the proof before we start paying.

attention, which is why spirit, there's illnesses, there's, you know, loss of jobs, there's loss of loved ones, there's divorce, there's all, you know, it's different mechanisms that are like, hey, time to wake up, time to wake up. Interesting. And so, but that is what's happening. So if you're flickering, got to calm down, everybody does. If you're on this planet, A, you have emotional wounds or you wouldn't be here, and calm that down. And once I'm able to calm it down, takes different times. You know, then all of a sudden, oh, okay. Then they start basically what's not light, because I'm sending light through.

It's like, then I can begin to see, oh, there's density here, there's density here, there's density here. Like I tell people, don't tell me anything because I want to be shown what the agenda is. because Spirit has one. And then I can see and then I can, I ask, what's that? What is that about? You know? And then I get all this information and history from spirit about. So that's where, you know, the other, I guess, psychic medium stuff comes in.

I mean, there's many different. It's medical intuitive, energy medicine. Yeah, on your, on your webpage, it was like, oh, yeah, there's a lot here. Yeah. So it's like, whatever. tool I need to use, I have available to me in any given thing. But, you know, it's easier to ask people to start moving into faith when source comes through spirit or people on loved ones on the other side, and they're giving me information. There's no way I know. And then the person that's receiving it

has no doubt. Right. And it helps them. Yeah. And it helps. Pope like hey how you know they're like wow you know like then they spend the notion of I'm not alone that because it's undeniable right yeah and then they have trust and faith that there is healing that they need to do and then once people begin that healing because you're bringing faith along and you're and you're connected you've got to connect a source for this you know trip and then you start caring more about your life once you start healing. When that so starts leaving your space, you know, I don't only work with really sick people. I have tons of people come to me just for, I mean, I guess it could be called coaching. I've never referred to as that, but like, you know,

to check in and so this job or this guy or this whatever once we're past the other stuff, but then they care about their life. And when you start caring about your life and understanding and you're here for a reason, every single thing you've ever gone through is on purpose, everything that has ever happened with you, or even horrible stuff, and that's really hard for people, it's like, when you start realizing, wow, I made it through a lot,

I must be really, you know, incredible. And why am I here? Yeah. Yeah, that's why I love that, the pain to purpose idea is like, you know, if we all realize that our pain is, is a gift, and we turn it into serving others and using it as a way to spread more, a higher consciousness across the planet. I just, I fall in love with people like that. Like, we're not, I so believe we're not here to get stuff that we're here to have experiences so that we can give. Yeah. And that I have

often thought about, you know, I'm like, I'll work myself to the bone. I have no problem with work ethic. But I have had times that I've worked so hard and I get to the end of a day. I put my head on the table on my pillow and I think, what was the purpose of today? Like with today just to get things? Like I'm not into getting things. I'm into changing lives. And I think how great would the planet B if we all had a more, a bigger vision for ourselves. Well, and I mean, gosh, there's just so much to say. But it's like if you watch, if you saw me, like back in December, Aaron interviewed me for the first time.

And this is before the pandemic. And I said in that interview, we're all about to get upended. Because I was going to ask you, tell me what you think of the moment right now. Well, it's all, this is hard, but it's like we're not paying a. tension, not enough of us, right? So we, of course, there's lots of us vibrating a lot higher, but the general vibration is low, is a low vibration because we are running around thinking fancy cars and this and this is why we're here and look at blah, blah, bob. I mean, you look on social media, right? Like all that. Everybody's highlight rail. Yeah. And so, but what I know is, you know,

being in service like into other people again is I'm going back to the truth which is we sign up for a purpose out of for if you want to call it selfish reasons because everything to purpose and purpose and healing our wounds is bringing us home like it's bringing us back to our own connection with our highest level consciousness. And that's where, you know, you might think, okay, well, there's people that are, you know, their gift is healers. And I want to talk about that for a second because I'm really, last week was quite a theme around this, you know, getting healing quick stuff and that everybody can run around and do it because that isn't the truth. Not what I have been taught because it's purpose. It's like purpose. Not everyone has that purpose.

something else. Go ahead. You were about to say... Yeah, no, what I was thinking as you were talking is then when somebody, in the most simple sense, when somebody has a chronic situation that's not going away, is it plausible to say that maybe they haven't found their purpose, like they're off course and there's an energetic block because they are not living their life in accordance with their purpose?

Yeah, you know, so yeah, that's what I was saying there when out of track for a second, which is we come in with this, right? And we make an agreement before God, non-denominational and our peeps and on our own behalf. Like coming, coming in and taking a body is a courageous thing to do, right? Because we're connected to, you know, source, they're not in bodies. We are. So they're here to serve us on this journey because we're the ones that said, all right, I'll take on a whole bunch of wounds or some or whatever. For me, I filled my basket, you know, because I was like, let's roll. Let's take them all right.

You know, because I, and I like people to understand that are having a really, really hard time. It's almost like the harder of time you're having, the bigger badass you are. because when you were connected to your highest level self and up there was sourced and deciding what wounds you want and Speer gave me this hilarious cute analogy is like a little red riding hood basket or something but on heel stays in there so i mean you can you know but you don't get to put take a jar and it's like they're in jars you know and you want to put you you go you can't take one and put it back be like i wasn't into that one you know i don't like You pre-decide.

Yeah. You put the jars ahead of time. Yeah. So whatever is unheeled from the last time's there. But like for me, I just was like, you know, let's go. A great enough, an easy way to explain this is like one of my wounds is abandonment. So I'm there and I'm like, well, I'm going to, I'm going to heal this along with the other hundred things. And then, but in order to heal, the wound has to be created.

If I'm going to heal something, there has to be a wound there to heal. So the soul on the other side, who's not yet called my birth mother, says in order to be in service to your soul and your transcendence, I will come in and abandon you. And I'm like, wow, because that's going to create some hardship for you. Thank you so much. Like you're going to be wounding yourself along with whatever else you chose to heal. But that's a big one, right? That's. Yeah.

But I'm like, oh my gosh, thank you. Because I know that when I heal it before I'm in my human body, when I heal that wound, I'm transcending, which is I'm coming close to remembering who I am. Interesting. And so we come in. Ellen and spirits, like my guides are like, by the way, I'm just going to round. you know that you're going to forget all this and you're going to be pissed yeah yeah and hurt and flailing and making bad decisions and then probably having more you know and whatever but we will wake

you off when it's time yeah and this is an answer to you know a segue to your question about this pandemic so and i say all right you know i'm ready to go and then i'm like in collaboration with you know god and and my guys and like and i agree to this because beautiful life purpose. You know, it's not like, here, this is what you're going to do. It's like, yes, please, right? So we come in and we want to keep our word with ourselves. It has nothing to do with, you know, we're nothing but supported by spirit and God.

There's no judgment. There's no, you know, demerits or something if you don't heal what you say, you know, because it just means we're not going to transcend as much as we had intended, right? That's all. Yeah. And if we don't live our, so we want, source, spirit knows we want to keep our word with ourselves. We don't understand it, but we do.

So would a good way to look at a problem that shows up in your life, in the most simplistic sense, is like, this is here for me? Yep. And I'm here to learn something from this problem. And if I go within and I'm quiet and I listen to whatever my belief system is and that the answer will reveal itself, as opposed to what I want to do is make it go away as fast as I can. Or like, yeah, and that's where we get into problems, right? Because this is where faith is everything begins with fake.

This is why I don't know if I call it a platform or whatever. It's just it's my purpose here and my mission here is to connect people to faith. That doesn't mean once you connect to faith, you're a healer. It just means you're connected to your peeps. Yeah. We all have them and that's the whole. If you can connect to your peeps who are in service, just ask, what's this about? You know, but when all these different beliefs come in and things that we've read or things that we, you know, like even now,

I'm not trying to make you believe anything other than what I know to be available and true. And that relationship is so personal that you're not going to have the same relationship I have with my peeps. They talk to me. They communicate with me in a specific way. I mean, they swear a lot. Oh, they're my kind of people. Yeah, that's hilarious. And so is God. Like, there's, it's a, we take things so seriously. That we do. Oh, my God. And so instead of like, you know, and this isn't a judgment, but along those lines, we make things too hard.

So it's like, I must put this problem in my belief system. It's like it's not a Play-O factory. That's what they just showed me of this image. They just, because they're downloading, right? It's like you don't take your problem and here's your beliefs or here's what you've been taught. And you put your problem in there. and then you mush it and you expect to have this outcome and you're like obsessed and focused on the process of treatment.

And guess what? The solution goes like this. It's a great visual. It's a great visual. You know, I was thinking as you were talking that the first couple of weeks of the pandemic, I walked around going, holy cow, I've spent 24 years trying to wake people up about their health.

And it took a world virus to stop everybody and say, oh, shit, my help. Like, I was like, I don't want to say it was giddy, but I was like, I get it. Hallelujah, people. And it's my biggest concern is that we'll go asleep as we come out of this. But I'm like, take that fear and realize that it was a wake-up call to, the lack of power you feel about your own healing. And I just was in awe for like the first month. I was like, and I still am.

It makes me nervous as we come out because I'm like, oh my God, there's still an opportunity here. Like I so hope like the vaccine doesn't ever appear because then it'll keep forcing us to look within and look within. Well, you know, the dangerous thing about what's there, what you just said, is that because, there's still the emotional wounds are still running the people in big pharma and i'm not not making a but you know also in washington and everything else i mean there's there's now an opportunity

because people you know inciting fear is purposeful you know which is all that's happening and has been happening since whoops we have a pandemic how'd that happen yeah come on right right right And so incite fear, incite fear, because when we're in fear, we can't be in faith, you know, and the larger, the lower vibrations, I should say the lower vibrations who don't give a shit about humanity or any, or people healing or any of those things. Like, the more people are listening to everything they hear because they're terrified, I need, I need you to tell me what to think. I need to know what's happening. Yeah. When we start sitting back and be like, all right, this is a real hairy situation. What can I do? What do I need to heal in order to raise the vibration on the entire planet?

But you see what people spend most of their time doing. It's get in the house. You're being an asshole. They start pointing fingers. Yeah, I'm so over that. It's driving me crazy. And that's exactly. The minute I was like, nobody.

they're not getting it. Yeah, no, because now you're stuck in the problem you haven't elevated above it. Well, and you're having judgment about other people. You're like, because, you know, my first thing that, which I said back in December is like, my concern is suicide for people, not only because I know I was 24 hours from it, but because I understand the work that I do, man, we have a really hard time sitting in our wounds because people think that makes you a bad person. Yep.

To have wounds. Even anxiety. People think, especially women, that it's a mental illness having anxiety. So then they don't talk about anything to calm it down. And then you end up sick. But people, instead of coming within and asking, like, I'm going to take this opportunity while I'm locked in my house to spend every single day like smite. job to get with my peeps to just have faith until I really do have it. I'm going to try this on.

Because whether you believe it or not, it's still the truth. I watch people heal every day via this work. Yeah. There was something in your, I think you called it a path to purpose was on your website. And you said when you hit a point where you were like, I had nothing. And so the only thing, thing I had was faith. And when I read that, I thought, well, how do we all have, like, turn to faith over and over and over again when we, why do, we don't need to hit rock bottom. No. You just use that, your lesson. And I know a lot of other people have used that tool. It's just like keep turning to faith and keep turning to faith. So, and I think this moment is so important for us. I love that visual of like lock yourself inside your house. Maybe the mask, you know,

I've got a lot of friends that are really upset about the mask. And I'm like, maybe the mask is just a signal of let's all just be quiet and go inner. I never, that's a great analogy. Because people cannot, and it's not a judgment, because I, you know, I have nothing but compassion for all of it. I understand it. Hey, this is why I also, why I happen to be a soul who had to go through this, to be. stripped of everything. And I know that isn't everyone's path. It's unnecessary at this point, unless you're not paying attention. But I, there's nothing I haven't been through. There's nothing I don't

understand. There's no, you know, that's why they can communicate with me so easily because I can, the emotion they put in my body, I'm like, oh yeah, that's up. Oh yeah, that's a deep sense of loneliness. So that's a deep sense of lack of love or, you know, it's easy. So I also know that You know, our egos won't allow us to sit in the pain or the pain itself won't let us sit in the pain. But if you can, if you know that you're being divinely guided, if you have faith, not believe it, but know it, two different things. Well, I believe in that, but do you know it? Right. Like, do you know, like unwavering knowing?

You can get through anything. And it's so easy. It's not some big, you know. thing we have to do other than or any special teaching outside of, hey guys, what did I say I would do? I've had enough of this, you know, guide me, take me straight through the pain to the other side of it. And I'm going to pay attention. Please walk with me. Please bring me through it. And guess what? It goes a lot quicker that way. Amazing. I love that. It's unbelievable how true that is. So I had a really interesting experience that I thought, well, you might be the right person to bounce off of this.

I had a near-death experience when I was, my kids were little, so it was even more like traumatizing when it came out of it. But the reason I share it with you is that I was the circumstances, I was down in Mexico and I swam into a pile of Portuguese manawar. And there was several of them. They wrapped themselves around me. And it took about 10, 20 minutes to get them all off of me. me by the time they had put tons of poison into me. And my throat started to close. And it, anyways, long story short, you know, when you filled with that much poison, the hours that go by get worse and worse and worse and worse. So I was in Mexico in a hospital. There was a lot of fear.

Bottom line is that I ended up feeling like I'm done. I'm out. Like I'm slipping. And what happened was that I had this moment, and I've done some research on it since then, that I literally, like a movie, had every thought, every action, every, everything I've ever done in my life was revealed to me on like a tunnel, like sides of a tunnel. And it's hard for us to think about it, but I literally had every thought I had ever thought in my entire life. And then I got to the end of the tunnel and there was a white light. and sitting in front of the tunnel was my husband and two kids.

And there was this thought in my head like, wake the fuck up and stay alive for those three. Yeah. And I did. But I'm curious, I've never been able to figure out. I've read some Tibetan teachings and like, do you have, what is that? What do you want to figure out? How does the mind, how can you think every thought that you've ever had in your entire life?

How did that happen to my educated, like, Yeah, right, exactly. Like I can't recall every thought right now. No, and this is so, it's beautiful because everything that we were just talking about, see, how I said, spirit holds every emotion, every experience, every, everything on our behalf because we get amnesia. It's not there. It's not there because we're everywhere. We're energy bodies.

Like this is so this is how I guess I want me to explain it this way is like this is how I can like and there's a point to this like these parents came in in person the other day. The dad and the stepmom and his 24 year old daughter had been in the hospital for four weeks and they couldn't figure out she is autoimmune. But she's swolled up. She got an aneurysm. She had a huge, she has a huge thing. This is recent. Her tongue started getting sores and everywhere and bleeding. And they can't figure out, they couldn't figure out what is going on.

With Spirit, her guides, the daughter's guide showed up in my session with the parents, because she can. I mean, she's just like you can. I can. So her highest level self showed up because she was giving me permission. And she came into the space and first explained a lot of stuff to her dad about her childhood. Because she's kind of a trouble. You know, she's been struggling for a couple of years.

Her self-care is horrible. Like there's this whole thing. So she was explaining some stuff to him because they got divorced and she was seven. So she, there's all these things. And he was thinking this and she explained to him, no, it's that like, she had this beautiful conversation with him that she couldn't, in her human experience, didn't have the courage to have for whatever reason. So she came through from that higher, the other dimension and had a conversation with him.

And he asked her questions and she answered back. And I also was able to do, tune in to her energy body right where I'm sitting. She's in the hospital and pull the toxins off her tongue, the scabby stuff, blast through her body with energy because she was so swollen. They were, you know, it was hurting all her organs. I mean, it was one thing after another so they kept, you know, steroids and this and, you know, so. She wasn't able to talk in the four weeks. She couldn't barely move. She wasn't doing anything.

Within 12 hours, no joke, because I was talking to her. And there were things I was clear I wasn't supposed to say out loud. It's just fascinating. It's just an understanding. So there were things she was telling me that I was clear it was for my ears only. and at 4.20 in the morning, they came here around 5 o'clock. At 4.20 in the morning, they woke up to a text from her that said, can you order me a book called Breathe? This is a kid who has been struggling horrible depression. Da-da-da-da. She FaceTime them and spoke to them. Wow. At 6 in the morning. Because they were like, she's coming. She might as well be in a coma. She's got a huge thing.

They didn't know if she was going to even live. Wow. And she was in this decision at crossroads, which is what happened for you. You came to a true crossroads and your soul made the decision to stay. That's all. Yep. But first you reviewed everything and then you saw your kids and your husband and you decided to come back into your body that were capable of doing that.

Just like when had you decided to leave. that would have been part of your journey. You were just like, hey, but I still feel like I'm done here. So I'm going to go. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. And it gave me, it really opened my eyes to whatever I'm not seen in this world.

There's something else going on that I'm not seen because I, as I tell people, and I actually don't tell a lot of people. I've never told it on a public platform. A lot of people are going to know. All time. Yeah. I know I sound crazy. I ended up doing research of other people with near-death experiences

just trying to understand what was it that I saw. And I like the way you say that because it was just access to some information that I'm not necessarily getting here in my human body. Yeah, and that's beautiful because that is the block. And that's where I know that part of my mission is to take you from that, place to the knowing that you're connected to source. They're right here. They're here to be in service to you while you're in service here on the planet. That's how it works. And that when you, because that level of consciousness is available, you just touched it. You just went into it.

You see? So it's not gone. It's just that in our human brain and someone like you, you're a thinker thinker thinker and educate, you know, you want to educate yourself. But the craziest thing is all the information is already available. You just have to ask and then, you know, the breathing exercise, I don't know if you saw it, Spirit taught me this breathe the light, breathing the light, because our energy bodies, our light bodies need light as much, if not more than our bodies need oxygen. That's for our physical bodies.

We need to breathe. I'll send it to you that if you didn't see it. No, I didn't. I didn't, that one didn't come across my research. Yeah, it's an amazing tool for everybody. It doesn't matter who you, because you're

an energy body. It doesn't matter who you are, but there's a lot of nurses now who play that, charge nurses who play it for all their nurses before they go into a shift because it's very grounding, it's balancing masculine, feminine, And then it's just saying, who can I help and how can I help them?

Interesting. I love it. I love it. Yeah, when you ask that question from your heart, from your soul, how can I help? Please show me. Not like, I'm going to do this, this, this, this. I mean, I start every one of my days, who can I help and how can I help them? Thank you so much, you know, for such a beautiful guiding me into such a beautiful purpose.

There's nothing like. There's no feeling like this. I love that. This just came up if you don't mind because you had said something a while ago about, well, I hear that everybody has the ability to do this. What I understand, you know, because there's a lot of, you know, this market's getting all saturated now, right?

And I'm noticing, and I don't want to really see any names, but like I'm noticing there's some kind of, you know, heal quick things going on out there. Magnets are one of them and these people have a huge platform. And part of me feels concerned because what I understand is our whole journey through being pulled into faith and then have been choosing to heal our wounds. and the process and the path of healing those wounds in collaboration with our guides. And God is all part of the transcendence.

We have to have that beautiful. It is a beautiful experience. So we just take a magnet and it's gone. We don't. The experience is gone. We don't experience. We don't. That does nothing to connect us to.

source and nothing so you so you'll just i mean even if that were true because i feel like hey you know okay i'm going to think of it i'm going to give it some you know maybe a placebo factor maybe it's whatever but it's it can't be lasting because i know what it takes to heal and i know the purpose of the whole process is to reconnect us to our guys and god so that we walk in that so that Every decision we make, every life experience we have, even if it's like, oh, that kind of hurt or that's kind of uncomfortable. I was hoping it would go this way or that way, be like, okay, I'm going to sit back because if you don't sit back and just trust that like this is on my behalf, something else is meant to show up. But it's, you know, I have a friend who the analogy is like, she stands at one door and rattles the doorknob like this forever. That's what spirit is like, get your hand off the door.

There's like 10 other doors up and down this. It's such a good analogy. That's me. Yeah, I know. It's like, no, but I want this door. Yes. This is the one I've chosen. But you're not supposed to open that door.

Yeah. But there's all, and I know I picked up on that when we first got on, which is fun, you know. A lot of people have driven, really driven people because this friend owns, you know, is a CEO of Halliblu nurses. Interesting. And this was before she got her app and her business, like, she came to me because she was having a hard, she had invested all of her savings and pulled in all of these investors. And she couldn't, it just wasn't getting off the ground. And this is about three months before the pandemic. And so she came to me, what is the going on?

What's the block here? She wasn't sick, you know, but she has anxiety that's, you know, like because of you're so driven. It's like there's that. Yep. Guys, it's the same. So that's when Spirit told her. I saw this long, dimly lit hallway because I'm shown very clear images. And I saw her all the way to.

down at the end of the hallway, the last door on the right. So she had all these doors on this side and like probably 20 doors on, you know. And she literally had both her hands and like, you know, just furious and sweating. And it was, they said physically envision, take your hand off the doorknob and step into the middle of the hall, put your back to that wall and look, look at all these other options. I love that. I love that. I feel like everybody needs a session with you. Is it, do people say that's awesome. No, I mean, this is, this is my, my, I want people to feel the ease. Yeah. That is understanding that things can be a lot easier and that if we connect, it isn't crazy California stuff. It's the truth. Yeah. Yeah. It is just the truth. Do you ever go back in, like, in awe of the fact that you didn't take your life? Like, do you ever go, oh, yeah. So grateful.

24 hours from taking your own life. And then you have this beautiful life that's emerged. Yeah. I'm always in awe of it. Always in awe. I'm in awe of, you know, back to the ayahuasca thing. Because we kind of, we have so many fun things to talk about. But with ayahuasca for me, I went into it like I go, bring it.

Bring it. Like, whatever it is I need to heal, let's roll. And then that's what happened for me is I had eight hours of like I was re-experiencing a lot of childhood trauma. But I was able to do it. I was able to make a different choice within that. But I spent the night, long story short, experiencing re-experiencing these things, but then empowering myself in them. And that's when I was told I was a healer.

This crazy thing happened, which is a longer story. But at the end, the sun started coming up, and this was an Ohio. So it was incredibly beautiful. And I had spent pretty much the night out in this playground. It was a beautiful home, private home. I was out there re-experiencing all kinds of stuff. But the sun started coming up, but I was, you know, not, I was lucid and everything.

And I was sitting there and I was looking up. And I was like, kept looking up and I was looking at my hands. And I, but I wasn't, you know, tripping out. I was just like looking at my hands. And the shaman came and sat next to me. And I was like, are these mine? And he said, yeah. And I was like, are you sure?

he's like, yeah, and I said, so I'm alive? Because I just witnessed a lot of pretty hard stuff. And he's like, yeah, you are. And I went, why? And he went, that's a good question. Interesting. And from that moment, I was like, all of a sudden, for the first time in my life, I was all puffed up.

And I'm like, yeah, I'm brilliant. That's a good thing. I'm this. That's a good thing. Because I was kind of undoing my mom's, you know, accidental programming, right? Throughout the night, too. But I was like, yeah, if that kid made it to this day, there's a reason. Yeah.

And that's what I think. That was my gift of my near death as I, like, walked around for like, two weeks like, whoa, yeah, almost didn't see this. Like I almost didn't get to experience this. That's so cool. I remember like prior to that, my son was in T-ball and we used to sit there and like, oh, this is so boring. Like there's nothing worse than like long T-ball games, right? Without a flask. Oh, God, it's just so, so boring. All you could do is sit and like admire your child, right? So I was, I remember after that being like, oh, but you're sitting here. You get to see this. You almost didn't get to see this. And then that sort of changed as time went on. But the fact that I stayed alive did not change. And knowing that I had a purpose that there was a reason I stayed alive. And I've continued to ask myself what that reason is. But the reason I bring it up in the context of what you're saying is, I, without having to go, through the near-death experience, I would want that, I would want that wake-up moment for everybody

to see that they're here for a reason and that they're not here to get things or to achieve. So I just feel like we need a different perspective on life and your teachings could do that for people. Well, thank you. Yeah. I mean, this is something that, you know, Aaron's, this is why Aaron, And because there's so many people that have this massive platform that because, you know, there's a, you know, and it goes the way it goes. But Aaron's like, dude, how do not everyone know about you? I feel the same way. I'm like, I don't, I'm doing my bus because I know that it'll change, it changes your life.

And it's not me. It's like, I'm just, you know, you can, I feel like I have. near life, death experiences every day because, and I believe that this is, that, that you, you can. And like, for you, right, is like, hey, let's get you doing the breathing thing. Create an altar, which your brilliant, you know, educated mind might have a little, too. But do that. Light a, you know, light a candle for yourself and sit there and just start saying, all right, I know I've met you guys once before, at least. Can you show me how to connect with you and guide me?

Because even the brilliant work you're already doing on the planet, you're ready to pull in some other pieces of that, you know? That's what I'm understanding. And you're not going to be able to read about that somewhere. You know very well. strangely. I think I'm going to record this part of the conversation

and it's going to be like your ringtone that I bring up a case. I'm going to be like, hey, you're pulling the door if you can just like release that door, that would be fabulous. And then here's her meme. Yeah, right? Yes. Oh my gosh.

We need to make this. I know. It's totally true. I was thinking like as you were talking, I'm like, God damn, does she know? And then I was, I've been waiting for Jessica to pop Ben, I'm like, Jessica is dying on the other side. I am. I am. Because this is you. Yeah.

Open. Okay, I'm going to take one more step and try to open this door. That one's not opening. Like, why can't I open all 10 doors? Yeah, right. But you're like, they all have a different combination. You know, they're all open. You know, they're all like open a bowl. But like you want to make sure that, you know, hey, you can kick one open. You're like, oh, it's not in here. Yeah. But it doesn't have to, you know, if you're, if that's the big.

thing is if you find yourself like rattling a door be like oh okay i got it i got it literally like okay all right i heard you this it's literally how i am in in my life every day and i get to have those near-death experiences other people's near-death i mean gosh i never thought of it this way but that's how they're saying in this moment it's like yeah that is true i'm agreeing with them is like I'm watching the same stuff, similar stuff, that you experience in your near death experience, which is because I need to understand what it is that person needs. So I'm given all that information. I'm shown it.

I feel the pain in my body. I have emotions, whatever it is. I can, that's how they taught me acupuncture. I was like, oh, God, what the? I literally was like, oh, my. gosh, is this a point? Or is this a point? Amazing. And so, but we can, we can do, you can do that. You can do that. Anyone can do that if they just start collaborating with the people Ike, peeps, who are surrounding you. They said they would and we want to keep our word with ourselves.

That's all we should care about because then everything else unfolds the way that it's supposed to. Yeah. I love that. This has been said, you've given me a gift. And, you know, the other thing I just want to point out now, you're like connecting dots for me is the other thing that came out of that near death is that all those thoughts I had, all the experiences I had. Now, I was in my early 30s at the time and I'm 50 now. And I had no regret. I didn't, in seeing my life viewed back to me, there was no regret, there was no shame, there was actually no negative emotion. It was all like, these are just experiences and thoughts you had. And there was not a negative feeling. It was more pride and happiness and I've lived this incredible life. And I'm wondering if we take on the negative

shame feeling is more of a worldly, like what we see here in the world, but that in the spiritual world, that doesn't exist. Does that, does that make sense? Yeah, or shame just wasn't your chosen wound. It could be too, maybe. I mean, you know, but this hurriedness thing, this, you know, that you have that drives you, it's not a, it's just what I'm seeing is like, you know, that's from something. Like that came from. I chose that.

Yeah. So, well, there's probably a wound attached to that, right? That made you think that that's what you had to do in order to, you know. And then also your, you know, the level of concern that you have for other people in a more emergent way. Does that make sense? It's very different because so there's some something attached to that too. But is, you know.

Okay. Well, I need a session with you. We're going to get it. Yeah. I have, I have so many more thoughts. And what, okay, so how do people find you? And I think more importantly, like as you were talking, I've got to check. list of patients that I'm going to actually reach out to after this. That would be amazing.

And just say, hey, here's another level we need to go with. I'm such a fan of collaboration when we go into a healing state with people. But how do people find you? I want to open it up so people understand you don't have to have a physical condition to sit with you. And you could just, you sit with all different people, right? All different people. And I do, you know, my clinic right now, I have a clinic in Garden Grove, but right before the pandemic, there were some doctors that were having me come and see people in their clinic. I used to fly to Vegas to work with a doctor, but I do Zoom, Skype, phone. I don't even, it doesn't need to be faced them. I just, you know, I do them all over the world, literally, or in my clinic now I'm opening up again. But I love collaborating with people like you

or doctors because it takes, it's like, hey, if I see density there, I like to, hey, because Can we get an ultrasound or can we get an MRI? It would be so interesting. Some of my more difficult cases that you're like, what's the healing block? Like, I just, I hope they're open to this because I just feel like that is a missing piece. So have you one last thing? Have you seen the little girl with brain cancer who had lost your sight who's now seeing? No, that you worked with?

Yeah. I'll see. Okay. Yeah. And send me the breathing. exercise and we'll make sure our community gets it as well. Okay. Can I email the link? Yeah, send everything to Jessica. I'm pretty much worthless beyond like this. So thank God for Jessica. So it's Bobby Vogel, B-O-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-E-B as in Victor, O-G as in George, E-L, Bobby Vogel.

Or I also have the YouTube, etheric medicine, Bobby Vogel, and then Instagram, Bobby Vogel dot etheric medicine. So I love, you know, there's a lot of a lot of videos on that. And I have fun interacting with people on Instagram and putting up my messages and stuff like that. Well, thank you. Thank you. And like totally let's do a session. Let's do it. Yeah, I plan on it. So thank you. And again, you're just, this is so necessary. Like I hope I really want my audience to, you know, elevate what they think is possible. And I hope, I hope this message will land well with them. I know a lot of people, it's a little like, but I just hope if this resonated with you, please share the episode out, get a session with

Bobby because we need more healing on this planet. For sure. I appreciate this so much. Thank you. Thanks. Talk to you soon. Okay. All right. Bye. Bye. Thank you, Bobby. Appreciate it. Nothing that I love to talk about more than wine. So I got to tell you about, about dry farm wines, which is my absolute favorite place to get wine from for many different reasons. One, they're keto friendly. You didn't hear that wrong. They're literally keto friendly. They have no added sugars, no added toxins, and they will leave you feeling amazing the next morning. So go check out their website. Not only is the wine incredible, but the people behind the wine are amazing. You guys know how I love people who are on a mission to serve the world. Well, Todd White and

his crew are on a mission to help people drink healthy wines and enjoy the whole experience. So, they taste amazing. And if you go to dryfarmwines.com backslash Dr. Mindy Pels, they will actually send you a bottle for a penny. So give it a try. Let me know what you think. And cheers to an incredible wine experience. Okay. So before I jump in to my session with her, Jessica, I have a question for you. And you have to answer it honestly. Oh, okay. Do you believe that you can talk to spirits on the other side? Do you believe we can get contact from energy on the other side? I mean, I think so. I mean, I believe that there is, I don't know. It's really hard to know.

It's hard to know. Have you ever had those moments where you get like a hunch about something and that hunch ends up turning out right? Yeah. I'm just, you know, I'm wondering like, I feel, I'm like wondering who would be around me. Like I'm trying to think, I imagine, you know, that the spirit world is these people, I guess maybe ancestors. but I always imagine them I'm going to date myself here in like Harry Potter terms, right? Like he's got his parents that died and they're always with him. But I don't have anybody like that that's been like a huge impact in my life that I've lost.

So I'm trying to think of who would be speaking to me. Yeah. Maybe it is like Harry Potter though. I mean, maybe there's some accuracy to Harry Potter. Right. That would be my life dream. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think it's it because we've lived. in a world that's so focused on the tangible and the physical of what we can see, that I even, you know, I'm a science-based lover, but I also am open to the fact that we only know a small

fraction of this universe that we're living in. So I'm open to hearing her, you know, to understanding her perspective, which is why I wanted to do a session with her is like to see if there was any insight that I would, that I could be given. And most importantly, you know, you guys, I I talked about it on here. I don't talk a lot about it, but I did have a near-death experience that left me very curious about what it was that I saw. And in that, and I spoke about it on this interview, in that, I literally saw everything I'd ever gone through in my life, every thought I ever thought.

And it was, it's so hard for the logical brain to understand it, but it was such so vivid in my experience that I knew there had to be something else on the other side. So when I did the session with her, I really didn't want to say anything. I was like, you tell me. Like, what do you see? I caught it. You know, I don't want to say I was testing her, but I was like, okay, just tell me what you see. There were a couple things that she said to me that really hit home. One is stop trying to do it all on your own. Okay. First off, she said this kind of during our conversation. do you not remember the long hallway and you keep trying to rattle all the doors? Yeah.

Did she say that? Yes. I may have forgotten that. Yeah, of course you did. I think she said it about somebody else. She said about me. Yes. Yeah.

So she did. I mean, she basically said you have to rely. Your guides want you to know that they are supporting you and that they are leading you and to trust them. And I think that that for sure has been very helpful. because I'm a person that wants to figure it out all out. This is why I love science. It's like, okay, here's a question I have.

Let me go to PubMed and I can find all the science I want on how that is either working or not working. So when it comes to my life, I always want to know how it's going to all unfold and why it's the purpose is. So her thought to me was, please rely on these guides and know that they're there and that they've got your back and that they're guiding you to a big, bigger vision for your life. And that felt good. I mean, that felt like, okay, I can, I can hear that. And I, it gave, when I try to figure things out now since that session with her, I just keep telling myself, you know, okay, the guide's got it. Now, I would think somebody of faith, like, who has a very strong faith, probably does the same thing. Like, I'm not going to figure out. God's got it. Right. So I do think you could say guides. You could say God, whatever.

you want to call it. The universe. That's what Vishnui says, right? The universe has your back. Right. Yeah. So I think I love that on her webpage, she came back to this idea of faith. I think you can choose whatever it feels good to you, whether it's guides, angels, ancestors who have passed over, whatever feels right for you. What I heard in it is that we need to have more faith that something is guiding us. And I think that is crazy helpful. Don't you think? Yeah, no, I agree. And, you know, the testing her, I mean, that's a pretty good, like, not everybody knows that you have, you have some issues of letting people help you. Yeah. Right. Like that was pretty insightful. Yeah. That was pretty good. Yeah. That was pretty good for sure. And she did

kind of tell me, like, I need to relax a little bit. Like I need to know. Yeah. I need to just kind of sit back and ride the wave and just enjoy life a little bit more and stop trying to muscle it. So really helpful. The other thing she told me, and I really wanted to know more about my near-death experience, and I've read a lot of books on it, trying to understand what happened that day, is, and I think I said this in the interview, that I came out of that moment, and I thought to myself, most people would come out of a near-death experience and say, and a lot do. They come out, and they're like, oh, my gosh, I saw the other side, I never have to worry again. And they have this immense belief in God. And that's not, that was not my experience. I did not come out with a greater belief in God. I came out in more fear. And I was like, how did that almost happen to me? I was just living my life and like in

one second, I almost died. How did that happen? I must have lost my focus. I must have, like I was, I've been kind of beating myself up about it. Like I didn't want to get in the water that day. And I allowed, you the people around me to encourage me to get in. And there were a lot of things I didn't list, clues I didn't listen into. And so it has, it put me in more of a fear state than a faith state. And what, go ahead. Well, I'm curious, because I don't, I mean, I guess people can come out believing. But then I think the most popular thing I hear of when people have near death experiences is to live your life to the fullest each day. because you never know like when it when it could be taken away from you. But what's interesting about your story is that you are like that in life.

You're very critical of yourself on certain things. And so I don't know where that was programmed in your life. But it's interesting that that's like the tactic that you came to. Yeah. And you didn't die. And who knows what the brain, how the brain reorganizes itself. I would say before the near-death experience, I felt invincible. Death was not crossing my mind.

And I felt invincible. And I felt like you could create any life you wanted. I felt I was very in alignment with, you know, manifest your miracles. And you can do that. And then out of that, I went into several years of the subconscious belief was for me, if you're not careful, you could die. And so it made me hyper control freak. Where are you out now?

Because that was how long ago? So where have we come to? Well, so in the last couple of years, I've been, you know, a lot of people would say to me, but you didn't die. Isn't that awesome? You didn't die that day. And my response would be, but I almost did. And so I think after a decade of trying to control, it's exhausting.

And so in the last couple years, I realized this is not serving me. And so I've been slowly unpacking it. But she said something to me in my session that I think really helped me redefine and relook at that situation. And she said, well, you didn't die on that day because your guides were there. And your guides were there to support you and move you through that. that event happened to you to expand your learning to take you to the next level it was a gift to you so that you could rise to another level of thinking that you could help others i mean that there's always that pain to purpose but that on that day the guides were there and i was like oh i hadn't really thought of that like right and she's like they're still with you they're still

there. They didn't leave you. They were there with you on that day and they're there with you now. And the same guides that saved you on that day are the same guides that are looking out for you now. I think that reframe is so important though because now you have me thinking if you're stuck in this mode of, you know, people say, but you didn't die and you say, but I almost died, your body is constantly in a state of being alert for like death, essentially, if you look at it from parasympathetic, sympathetic state. So now let's let's take that concept and go into your years of metapause and hormones and you wonder why your hormones are off. Your body isn't a state of a fight or flight always thinking that it's going to die because you haven't redefined this moment. So my whole epiphany from this

whole conversation is how many of us have this thing. It doesn't have to be life or death, but have this thing that our subconscious is trying to protect us from. And we can't lose weight because our hormones are off or X, Y, and Z, it goes back to sometimes it can be like healing isn't the medicine that you cannot see. It could be something that's, you know, allowing you to stay in this fire or flight situation. Does that make sense? Yeah, that was good. That's actually another layer of thinking now I got is like, and we see this with patients

all the time where the stressful event is over. but the brain is still locked in fight or flight. But because I've worked on my mind so much, I have always thought you could outthink any situation. Like just change your perspective, change your perspective. But there were still things that I was having difficulty changing. And I go back and say, yeah, this is a significant moment in my life.

Like I almost died. I saw something that most human beings don't experience and come back from. And so now when I'm, I look at that as more of a gift and not, but I almost went, like, as I start to see the gifts of that moment, I can feel my brain coming out of that fight or flight. So maybe it's in, it's in like forgiveness or resolution. Yeah. Like forgiving myself. Right. For not making the right move that day. Right. Well, I just got chills. And maybe it was the right move that you needed in your life to serve you. Could have been that. Could have been that.

So anyways, you guys, she is a lovely human being. If you want a session with her, I really recommend it. Feels very safe. It's very nurturing. She's an incredible, has an incredible gift. So give us some feedback. Let us know if you resonated with this interview. And, you know, as always, our job on this podcast is to help you believe in yourself again. And sometimes when you're doing all the physical stuff and it's not working, you've really got to go back and ask yourself. maybe there's an energetic block. What can I do to let go of the energetic block? And that's what the gift, Bobby, I believe, is bringing to the world. So enjoy. Organic food in and you shake bad toxins out. That's what it's all about. Put fast cycling is seven fast types out. You download carp manager where you're food. That's what it's that's what resetting is all.