Live Like a Girl with Dr. Mindy Pelz - I Can Do Hard Things - With Angi Fletcher

Episode Date: December 14, 2020

// R E A D Y • S E T • R E S E T This episode is all about dealing with anxiety, overcoming the victim mindset, and biohacking. Angi Fletcher is a holistic fitness trainer and educator with 40+ years of experience that depression and anxiety are symptoms, not a disease. She has turned her mess into a message through her courageous vulnerability in sharing on Instagram her journey through divorce, depression, and the death of her parents. In partnership with her husband, Angi continues to share their daily family life in an effort to inspire others to take their health into their own hands. She works tirelessly to engage and include her audience in all of her regular habits to support her families mental and physical health — time in nature, sunlight or rain, movement, nourishing foods and supplements, and their favorite detox therapies.                                                                                                  In this podcast, we cover: Why women need to stop caring about what other people think How to navigate the victim mentality Finding ways to change your perspective and move into action How cold showers can help with your anxiety Our movement will bring life into living Why we need to be practice healthy living while we are healthy Angi's favorite biohacks and healthy living tools // E P I S O D E   S P O N S O R S  Interested in our upcoming Reset Experience 2021? Join us here today! // R E S O U R C E S   M E N T I O N E D Angi Fletcher Angi's Instagram Angi's Facebook Angi's YouTube Pur03 Ozone Oil Favorites Joylux   // F O L L O W Instagram | @dr.mindypelz & @theresetterpodcast Facebook | /drmindypelz & /theresetterpodcast Youtube | /drmindypelz   Please note the following medical disclaimer: By listening to this podcast you understand that this video is for educational purposes only. It is not intended to substitute for professional medical advice and should not be relied on as health or personal advice. Always seek the guidance of your doctor with any questions you may have regarding your health or medical condition.  

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steps that help you tap into your own internal healing power. The purpose of this podcast is to give you the power back and help you believe in yourself again. My name is Dr. Mindy Pels, and I want to thank you for spending part of your day with me. Happy Monday and welcome to the Resetter podcast. This is Jessica here, co-hosts to Dr. Mindy, and today we have episode 50, the Big 50, the Big 50 with the amazing anti-fletcher. If you aren't following Angie on Instagram,

or you've never heard of her, pause this podcast, go find her on Instagram, go follow her, and then of course come back to the podcast and listen to it. But if you're not following her, she's amazing.

I've been following her for a very long time. She is so authentic, gives such great advice on, you know, what she's doing for herself in regards to anywhere from biohacking to parenting, to getting through this,

season and life that we are in. I just love her. I always find something so inspirational on her posts. So if you're not following her, go follow her. We'll make sure that we link her IG, her Instagram in the show notes. But a little about Angie and I just want to read you something from her website, which I think actually shines some really good light onto her, but this is from her website. I don't believe we go through anything just for ourselves. I believe we are here on earth to help others. My mission is to have my platform serve as a lighthouse. Every raw word, every vulnerable thing shared. This is just my mess, hopefully turned into a message. And my website, my Instagram is a collection of tools that have helped me find my way out of

some of life's darkest moments. Literally, pervatim, that is what all of her material is about. Again, just love her, go follower. And in today's episode, we're going to cover dealing with anxiety, how to overcome your circumstances, how to get out of that victim mentality. How do you know when you're in a victim mentality? We're going to go into biohacking. She and her husband are big biohackers. We're going to go through seasons of your life and embracing what you can do in those seasons. And as always, we end our podcast episodes with five specific questions for our guest and hers were really great. So make sure you listen all the way to the end. This was a fantastic episode. We are just super grateful that we got to have her on and openly talk about her life journey.

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Let's start off with this. You're a model, which has to be one of the most, I would think, one of the most stressful environments to work in. I would think, that's so funny. I've never, I don't hear that from a lot of people. Usually I hear, I hear the glamour and I hear, oh, it must be so nice and so easy. And I have the opposite experience. So I appreciate your view on that.

I grew up in L.A. And I'm like, I live in Northern California now, but I understand that superficial, everything is on the outside. Look, you know, you're great if you look good or you drive a certain car. And that is a stressful way to live. Yeah. Well, I certainly didn't grow up like that. I grew up in Northwest Canada. Oh, wow.

And so there was no, I didn't know anything of modeling. I mean, the only thing that I knew is we had like the Sears catalog that came probably annually or maybe bi-annually. and that's kind of what I knew of that world, but I knew nothing of that world at all. I had no sense of like self looks or really anything like that. But, you know, certainly not in an LA sense. We didn't watch a lot of TV. And so I didn't grow up really in that world at all. I was a member of our church and I was in youth group and I sang in the choir and I was in drama and all that stuff. And ironically, my agent found me in church. He found me as singing. I was singing a solo.

And he, you know, quote unquote, discovered me and asked my mom, because I was, I was only, I had just turned 16. So kind of approached us afterwards and asked my mom if she would consider allowing me to model. And she said, absolutely not. That is the devil's playground. And, you know, she was a widow. My father died when I was 11. So she was very protective over her four kids, as you should be as a mom. And I was lucky enough to have her wisdom and have her, you know, not be like, oh, absolutely,

go and go and make money. You know, she was very, very wise and did everything prayerfully. And so we just kind of looked at it over the course of a couple months and kind of took, you know, smaller steps into the introduction of modeling. And our agent was incredible. He was really, they call him even now like a mother agent, you know, where they really kind of take care of the purpose. person. And modeling back then was way different than it is now, too. I mean, we're talking like,

well, there wasn't cell phones. There wasn't email. Oh, yeah. I'm fully aging myself. Yeah, it's okay. There was no email. There was no technology. So, you know, I actually got on an airplane on my 18th birthday to fly to Germany. And it was a Friday night. And the agency wasn't open Saturday or Sunday. And so my mom didn't know that I was okay until I went to the agency on Monday morning and faxed her. I didn't even call her. I faxed her. So modeling is very different now where basically anyone and everyone can be a model, which I love because I think it, it's an amazing opportunity. I think that it filters out, you know, what used to be. You had to be a certain size, 25 years ago when I started modeling, you had to have a certain look. And now it's just like

wide open. Anyone can be anything. And I love that so much. But to your original question, no, it wasn't glamorous for me at all. It was very, very, very difficult. Mentally. In what way? Mentally and physically, because I had never, I was always just a certain size. You know, my parents were both over six feet and slimmer builds. And so I had never, I had never worried about what I should eat or what I shouldn't eat. I didn't have the pressure of being thin. And the reason why you had to be a certain size 25 years ago is because there was sample size clothing. So there was, when you would shoot for a, shoot for a catalog, which I did a lot of runway catalog, editorials,

they would only have a certain amount of clothes because then they would produce them, but they wanted to shoot them before so that you could promote before the magazine comes out, right? So they only have a certain amount of sizes where they would only make one size, a sample size, and you would have to fit into that sample size. And the only time I struggled with my weight was when I started modeling. And I don't know what it was. I think it's because of the pressure, because of the comparison, because I was alone. at 18, I was alone in Europe, you know, with no cell phone, no, again, it was pre all of this

face time, pre all of this stuff. And I was just kind of figuring it out. And so, you know, I would sit alone at night in my little tiny apartment in Hamburg, Germany, and I would eat Nutella by the jar full because I actually didn't know. I didn't think that I would gain weight. Like it was just, and I was eating all the bread and all the pasta and all of my. God. You know, I went in September, so I went over the coldest months. So of course, I was just comfort eating, but it wasn't, it wasn't like an emotional eating thing for me. It was just what I was doing. And I ended up gaining 30 pounds in three months. How did that work for your agent? Not very well.

So what do they do? Do they like come in and they're like, you know, got to shut that eating down? Yeah. Yeah. You really, because you stop booking jobs because. you're not the sample size and you're not the sample weight. And, you know, it's true, the camera does add weight as well. So again, back then, it just wasn't as acceptable as it is now to be any in every size. It was more of, you know, thinner was better back then. So what did you do to lose weight then? Is that where, I mean, do you stop eating?

Honestly, yeah, it was a very, it's where my unhealthy, relationship came to food because this was this was before I had all the tools that I have now and and so back then you know at 18 all I really knew was okay I'm just going to stop eating I'm just going to starve myself and and I wasn't anorexic I wasn't you know I don't want to lessen the very serious disorders but I certainly had you know an emotional eating disorder of my own were, it was just before I didn't have a conscious what I was putting into my mouth. I just ate whatever as a kid and at home. I would eat pizza. I would eat whatever. And starting from that point, I then thought about what I was putting into my mouth. And it carried over for the

next decade of should I eat this? And then there was a guilt attached to it. And then there was a, I need to work out after it. But it wasn't a healthy, like, my mind. mindful eating, it was just a guilt eating. Right. So I would binge eat and then I just wouldn't eat for the next 24 hours. Or I would only eat candy. I would only eat candy because I felt like, oh, maybe it's not as fattening as bread or like just a completely different zero knowledge of education around food.

I just did it what I thought was the easy way. Yeah. Do you feel like you have that now or did you undo that? I completely undid that. Yeah. Yeah. Completely undid that. With having babies, I think that was a big thing.

For sure. And also just education. You know, I went through a major, major depression period. I did when I was young also after my father died. But then I went through another really big season of depression after I got a divorce. And hitting rock bottom, the way that I was able to climb out of that hole was through education. And through educating myself experiencing it, educating myself again, experiencing it. And then what probably was the biggest change for a relationship with food for me was starting

to work out and becoming an athlete. So I became an athlete in my 30s, which is pretty late, especially for triathlon. I became a triathlet. I started training for triathlon because I couldn't afford therapy anymore. Oh, my gosh. So it was. That's a strange. If you didn't know the human body, that would be like a strange lateral change.

No, I know. But a good one. I know. It's so funny when I compartmentalize and kind of tell my story, it's like I'm telling someone else's story. Because, you know, when you've lived as long as, I don't know how old you are, but you seem like you're kind of my age where. Well, thank you.

How old are you? You're 40? I'm 43. Yeah. 42. I'm 51. Okay. So a day.

But I'll be 43 for today. I'll take it. But you never know. Like I was just talking with L the other day, too. We both have 18 year olds. You have an 18 year old. Uh-huh. 20 and 18 year old. Okay. Yeah. So you don't, you never know if you're like 40s or 50s or whatever. It's all the same. After 40, it's just like it's all the same, right? It's just like, I'm over 40. That's all you need to know. I'm over 40 and that's all you need to know. Because the rest is just, it's bliss. Like I love being 40 and over. because I just feel like the wisdom along with the experience and just the confidence is incredible in women over 40 in my opinion. You know what happened to me when I turned 40? There was like a switch in my head that was like, you're 40 now. So you should not care what other people think of you. Like it was like literally like you're, I don't know what it was about 40, but it was like you need to give up,

worrying about what other people think of you. Yeah. And it was on a. physical level for sure, but then as my 40s went on, it morphed into more of just an more authentic version of me because you start to get to know yourself. And how old were your kids at that point? Did that have something to do with your children's age as well? Well, maybe. I mean, my daughter is 20 now, and I'll tell you, and as a mom, you probably had this experience where she was, she was very artistic and flamboyant. And so when we, and we were like definitely the family that like let our kids express

themselves however they wanted. And so for her, that meant that when Halloween was over and she was Ariel, she still was Ariel and she would still want to wear the long red wig wherever we went. So I, and we would be at the grocery store in the car arguing over why you couldn't wear your ratted up red aerial wig into the store. And after a while, I'm like, what am I doing? Just let her wear it. Yeah, who cares? And so we would go into the store and it really, I realized it was my issue. I'm, it's now December and we're wearing Ariel Wigs into the store. And she doesn't care. So I got to give up caring. Yeah. No, it's a similar experience I had too with having kids is they're so innocent and they're so childlike and they don't really care what anyone thinks of them. You know, at that at that certain age, were the ones that impressed that on them. We're the ones that were like, no, no, no.

no, you can't do that. You can't wear a blue sock and a red sock. And they're like, why? It's careful. I love it. Yep. So I had a similar experience for sure of just being like, wait, why am I caring? Like, what? It's a negative impact on my life and it's an energy sock. And I'm just, I feel so much more joyful. Yes. When I can wear a red sock and a blue sock. Yes. They don't have to always match. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. No, your kids are so good. And they also, as you know, as you know with an 18 year old, you hit a point now where I watch them and I'm like, oh, I implanted that in you. I'm so sorry. And then I have to kind of unpack it a little bit. Like, you know, I get that you're feeling this way and I'll take ownership over it sometimes. Like, you know, I ask you to

redefine it because it might have been my limiting belief that I put in there. So let's, let's look at this from a different angle. Yeah. Yeah. I feel the same way. And it's a relationship too that I that I had with my mother as well before she passed away was knowing what was her issue that maybe she didn't have the same communication tools as as we do now. And she wasn't able to admit that. But before she died, I was able to say, okay, that is your issue and that's okay because you don't have the tools of forgiveness or you don't have the tools of letting go of that. But I don't need to own that anymore. Yeah. So I think, yeah, going up or going down as well. Did you verbalize that to I did. Yeah, we had she taken. She was incredible. Yeah, I give her huge props for for learning right up until she died. She died when she was 65. And she, she kept on learning and kept on changing and kept on reinventing herself, which, which I think is incredible for that generation, that post-war kind of generation, because they certainly had no tools, you know.

Right. But yeah, I'm very grateful for that because I didn't speak to her during three years after my divorce because she didn't agree with it. And I just had to, I had to do what I had to do. And probably more painful even than going through my divorce was feeling like I was having a divorce, going through a divorce with my mother as well, which was kind of double as painful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But we were able to reconcile. And before she died, and I'm so grateful for that. Yeah. What brought you? What was the moment that allowed that to happen for the reconciliation? Like how is it just take one person coming back into the relationship and saying, hey, let's do this differently? Honestly, it was time. It was time where, you know, you have to, you have to be okay with being in different seasons. I had to be okay with that because over the course of three years, I grew immensely and so did she. And it's interesting because we ended up writing each other letters that I still have letters that I haven't opened up from her, which is really interesting because she's been gone now for four years. And honestly, I just talked about it the other day because we were going through

files. And I said to my husband, I was like, I don't know if I want to open these up. Because she was in a place then that she isn't now, and certainly not now that she's gone. But I don't I don't want to open that up and open up something that she wrote when she was in a season of hurt and disappointment and someplace that she wasn't before we or when we after we reconciled. But I was in therapy. I was in therapy. So I was able to, you know, write emails and write letters to her. And then I think it was just time.

And I think at some point in life, you, I realize. that you can either have a relationship or you're not and then you're going to have regrets. So you either, you know, it's a give and take of what you can handle and what you can't. And because my father already died, I really wanted to have a relationship with my mom. But we weren't able to at the time of my separation and my divorce. So she went through three years of healing and growing and, you know, talking to different people. and I did too. And I think after those years, we came back together as different people. We weren't the same people that we were three years prior. So I think both of us had gained tools of communication

and gain tools of what we can handle and what we can't. And then we found a grounds of where we can have a relationship. And it wasn't a perfect relationship. I don't think that exists. But it was a relationship of mutual respect and unconditional. love. And I think that that's, I think that that's possible in, in most relationships that you choose. Yeah. When I was in my 20s, I was living in L.A. and I got the opportunity to hear Romm Das speak. And do you know who Rambdas is? Yeah. And he, he said something at the, at the lecture that you get to either decide if you want to be right in a relationship or do you want to be happy? Because sometimes those two don't exist.

And I think it's really powerful when there's so much animosity and relationships, especially family ones and you can come back. Especially family, yeah. And especially your mother, like, that's intense. That's an intense one. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead.

No, I want to go back to this because you said something and this is where I'm always, when I'm chatting with people, I'm always thinking about it through the lens of my resetters because we watch as they come to fasting and diet changes and like, really what these people are doing is making a decision that they don't want to be in the traditional sick care system, that they're going to take health into their own hands. And I have so much admiration for that, yet there's a mindset that needs to come with it because in a more sick care system, we have, we're not in control. We just do what we're told. And if it doesn't work, we blame the doctor, we blame the pill, and we go find another pill or another doctor.

But what you said a few minutes ago, it really caught my attention, which was you had depression and then you had a tool to fix it. And then you got depression. This is the way I read it. Then you have depression. They have a tool to fix it. But it's those painful moments. We have to have them to create the new tools.

Do you think that's an accurate statement? Oh, 100%. Yeah, I love that. I think that pain has been my greatest teacher in life, for sure. because discomfort made me move. The more comfortable I was, the more I just sat back and stayed in my comfort. And the more discomfort I had and certainly the more desperate I got, the more desperate I got to change and to find something that worked. And what worked at the time then evolved to when it didn't work anymore, but at least it was a stepping stone to then getting more curious of,

of maybe knowing better and then doing better, if that makes sense. So if you get a painful moment now, do you go, oh, this is awesome. I'm going to learn so much from it. No. No, I'm learned. So what do you do? Because in the pain, I'm the same way. Like in the pain, I'm like, I don't like this.

I don't want this. Let's make this go away. And then it's only when you go back that you see the wisdom of it. Yeah. Yeah. I think I've, it's, yeah, that's so funny. because what I came to this podcast from, I just got off a Zoom call literally three minutes before we started this, bawling hysterically because I was on a Zoom call with my 17-year-old's teachers. And, you know, anyone who has teenagers now knows the Zoom calls and knows the mental health of our children and knows just the amount of change that they've had to go through.

And so I was just bawling. I was a total mess and just the heartache and the pain of the lack of control and not knowing what's happening and not knowing what the future is and just the discomfort. You know, I'm certainly not sitting here going, yes, this is amazing. I'm going to be the greatest, most wise person. No, it hurts and it sucks. Yeah. But what I do mentally, even though I'm crying and it hurts. hurts and it's a painful situation, you can choose your thoughts. I'll speak for myself. I can now

choose my thoughts because I've learned that my brain and my body are different, even though everything's connected. But if I'm feeling something, I can think something else. And I can think that it's either a positive or a negative. And I spent my entire young adulthood going up into 30s as a victim. And as a victim, I chose the negative. And I chose my thoughts of what I was thinking about myself or the narrative of the story. So now I've learned that that doesn't help me at all. And even if I have to fake it and fake the positive thought and not even positive, because I feel like positive is so fluffy, not that it's positive, but a positive thought of knowing I'm not stuck here. And this pain isn't going to be forever. I'm feeling this pain and I'm crying and I'm

angry and I'm feeling out of control. But this isn't going to be forever and I'm allowing that pain to flow through me instead of getting stuck. So what I did in those three minutes between our phone calls was I went outside. I'm lucky enough that my husband's with my younger two right now they're napping. I have a two and a three-year-old as well. But I was able to get up, go outside, literally shake it off, do like a crazy dance, do this incredible breathing where I'm just bringing oxygen to my brain and I'm moving my body and I'm moving my brain and I'm, or not my brain, but I'm moving my breath. And it changes your state. And sometimes you have to compartmentalize. I mean, honestly, I would have loved to have canceled this phone call because I would have loved

to have just like, in that and I can't do it. But I was like, no, I'm going to compartmentalize even if I, you know, stumble through my words and I'm in a bit of a fog and not able to answer your questions perfectly. But I've also given up on. Yeah, that's because they're doing. You're doing great. I mean, yeah. I just, I just changed my state. And that was a huge, huge, huge tool that I gained from the, how do I say this without, I always think, how do I say this without pissing anybody off, but I'm just going to say it. Pharmaceuticals didn't work for me. So I went on three different, I was prescribed three different pharmaceuticals for depression,

and each one of them threw me into more of a depression. And I was actually suicidal and landed in the hospital. And at that rock bottom, I knew that I needed to. change something. And so that's when I said I started getting on a hand-me-down bike and started training for triathlon instead of paying more money to my therapist. And I'm an advocate, I'm a huge advocate for therapy. I think it's incredible.

But again, I don't think you need to sit on a therapist couch for 30 years. I think that the goal of therapy is to create change and to create awareness. And then you move on that awareness. So you take that awareness and then you act on it because action, I think, is the number one tool for changing your state. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but you had a quote on your webpage that I totally resonated with. And it was something to that moment that you can change your, you have to look at it from a

different perspective. And then you got to move into action. So for me, I've learned in the last couple of years and this pandemic, pandemic time has really taught me this more than ever, is that I am an action gal. So I can't sit back and just like let shit happen to me. I've got to, once I see that there's an issue, I've got to be an action or I'm in anxiety. So I get to choose which way I want to be. But sometimes the action isn't clear. And I don't know what the next step is. like the pandemic. I mean, this really has my brain like totally beyond logic. I don't know. So I had a similar, I've had, you know, with my 18 year old and 20 year old, my 18 year old is applying to

colleges. He's a competitive soccer athlete that has spent his whole life training for this moment. Wow. And there are no, all this athletics in college right now have been given an extra year. So there's no movement of the athletes out. So he's looking at me and he's like, there's no opportunities for me. And I'm like, no. What do I do? Yeah, we're not going to be victims here. And my daughter, you know, she just wants to be in class and just like sit in a classroom and listen to it.

Yeah. And so what I've been doing is just, I said this to my 20 year old the other day. I'm like, I would tell you two things that our family will not stand for. We will not stand for letting fear run us. And we will not let relationships get ruined in this moment. So all the other stuff, we can't figure out. I don't know what the hell is going on in the world right now. But I do know how I want to show up.

And we have to keep reminding ourselves of that. Yeah. Control your controllables for sure. Yeah. So yeah, talk about like that. For me, that's like clarity. And then I got to go like what action can I do. So what, what, give me some examples like riding a bike is

action. You're like ice bath woman too. I know. I mean, it's a different type of action for sure. What ice baths have taught me is the action of my breath and the action of my mind. Because, you know, I talk all about movement and I should say, move your body, move your body, move your body. And then I got pregnant. And then I had, what's it called? Placenta Previa, where your placenta is covering your cervix. I couldn't have a natural birth because otherwise I would bleed to death or the baby would or the baby would die. So that's why I had to have a C-section. But most women are put on bed rest, you know, if you have a lot of bleeding.

And so I was like, well, what do you do if you can't move? But that's where ice baths were so huge for me. I didn't do them when I was pregnant. But ice baths are a different type of movement because you're sitting in a coffin of ice. And even, and you're sitting in pain and you're sitting in major discomfort and your mind is going, it's moving a million miles a minute. And you can, you can either train it and you can either listen to it because your brain is automatically is saying you're going to die.

We need to get out of here because you're going to die. So it's that like, it's that protection that your brain is obviously, your brain is there to protect you. That's why there's fear. That's why there's caution because your brain is going, we're going to die. Don't do this. We're going to die. But there's your mind and your mind and your brain is, you know, very well.

Obviously, are two completely different things, even though it's all connected. But you can tell yourself what to think and you can tell yourself what to believe, even though your brain is going, sing, bing, bing, bing, listen to this. Like, be careful, be careful. But the movement sitting in the ice bath was me moving my thoughts around. And telling myself that you're okay, you can do this. This is painful, but just sit in it, feel it, be in control of your thoughts. And that's what changed anxiety for me. I did some other things before, but anxiety was a, it was huge with ice baths. Not only just physiologically and

scientifically knowing what's actually happening to your blood and to your vagus nerve and to all those things. But with my mind, I started realizing how powerful my mind was. And it's what triathlon did with me too, because I never knew what I could do until I did something that I didn't think I could do. And then it just kind of retrain your brain out of old patterns and out of this thinking, out of this victim mentality of, oh, I can't do that or all this or that or that. Like you have to push through when there's no other choice. And that's where desperation is a great motivator too. Yeah. Because you have to move, otherwise you're going to die. Yeah. When you're, like, anything in nature, if there's, if there's a bear coming at, well, actually, no, with the bear,

you're supposed to. You probably should move. You should probably run if the bear is coming at you. Yeah. I don't know. Is it play dead or is it run? I'm not sure. Well, oh, that's good question. Mountain lions are what we think about here in Northern California. We don't think about bears too much. And it's turn around and you stand up at it. Yeah. Yeah. And there's that body. Like there's that composure.

There's that whole thing. But yes, movement. For me, movement is life. There's the analogy of the pond or the rushing river. You know, you see a pond and it's just still. And it just grows all this mold and all this fungus. And it's just like this, you know,

dirty pond because it's just sedentary. Or there's this rushing water that can break, that can slowly. break through rock and is just like full of life and oxygen and and it's just incredible. So for me, I've wanted to always move. And when I couldn't move, then I still was able to move my thoughts and move my brain and move, move things in my head when I wasn't able to move my body. Do you think it's as linear as you're in, like you've given me a new perspective on the ice bath Of all the biohacks, by the way, this is the one I'm like, I'm going to go do it.

Like, I can do five days without food, no problem. But now you want me to sit a few minutes in a cold ice bath and my brain. So you're giving me a new insight to look at it from a mindset training point of view as opposed to, oh, this is good for my parasympathetic nervous system. Like to use it as, hey, when you get into an adverse situation, because you've done these other things, you have trained your mind to be able to handle that. Do you think that it's that linear? So like when something shows up, you're like, oh, okay, wait, I have two thoughts right now.

I get to choose which one I'm going to grab on to. Do you think that the mind works that quickly after a couple of ice baths? Or do you think you have to have like a lot of different experiences for you personally? Yeah, I was going to say it's different for everyone. everybody, right? Everyone deals with things differently. For me, it took five years and five different therapists for me to know it was right to actually file for a divorce. So from separation to divorce, it took five years. For some people, it takes five minutes, five days, five weeks. I don't know. I think it's different for everybody because everyone has a different environmental conditioning.

Everyone has a different childhood, you know, everyone has different voices and different experiences. I don't think anything's linear at all. And that's why it's hard to be, it's hard to be in a social position like you are, like I am, anyone with an audience, it's hard because it's like I share my own experience, but that's not going to be the same experience for anybody or for everybody. And some people will have,

they'll have results in their first time, they'll have incredible results. Other people, it will take consistency and consecutive action for three months to break through old habits or to break through just incredible hardship that they've had to endure. For me, you know, it's funny because you can see my progression in the ice baths. I have three highlights of over 100 videos each. So I have over 300 videos where you can literally see the progression physically and mentally. So my first, ice bath was literally I was in and I was out and I was like I can't breathe that was so cold. Oh my God, I'm going to die. That was so cold. And then it literally goes to nine minutes of me talking. I take the

phone in with me and I'm talking to the phone and I go in and I and I control my breath and then I talk for nine minutes while I'm in sub-zero temperatures. So it just goes to show like the progression and all. And that, that took me probably about a year. I think that was from like July, July to July. How often do you do I suppose? It's, I don't do anything consistently. Yeah. There's, there's seasons as any mother knows with small children. It's like, people ask me, what is your daily routine? I'm like, I wake up and the rest is I have no idea what's going to happen. And at the end of the day, the kids are alive and I'm alive and that was a good day then. Yes. And if they're alive, then that's incredible. No, I have, you know, I joke. My life isn't that chaotic. I do try and have a little bit of a routine.

But there's, yeah, there's some things that are non-negotiable. And then there's other things that are seasons of I do an ice bath. And if I'm doing, you know, something with a group of people, which I love, which is what you do with fasting as well, I love joining groups and having accountability and having, motivation and having structure and just having fellowship because I think it's so much easier to know that you're not alone. So I've done seasons of ice baths and then I've done seasons of red light therapy. I've done seasons of movement of like going for a walk every day or running or working out like doing crazy hit training. Like there's just there's seasons. And I think that I think that I intuitively do things like that so that I don't plateau and so that

I don't get bored. And it's also just, I think, especially with 2020, like there's, you're always going through seasons where everything in life is a circle, whether it's a 24-hour day, morning to night, that's a circle. And then a week, Monday to Monday is another circle. And then a month, like everything in this life is seasonal. And it's all about being in a circle. So I think if you're trying to do one thing just like this, it's really hard to sustain.

It's hard to sustain energetically. And also you're just not the same person as you were back here and you're still trying to, oh, you're trying to grow. But like I think when you come back to something like this, you realize, wow, look how far I've come. And then you might go through another season of just like, oh, it's shifting and changing and then becoming more. And maybe ice baths aren't, oh, actually something interesting about the ice baths. is just a few months ago, my husband and I went through something where there was a lot of grieving

and a lot of pain and a lot of crying. I cried for days just straight, just kind of processing and dealing with this grief. And I thought, oh, you know what? One morning I was like, I'm going to do an ice bath. I just need like a refresh. I'm going to do an ice bath. And I got into the ice bath. and literally it was almost like the first time that I had done it. My body, I couldn't catch my breath. I couldn't control my breath. And this wasn't because I'm not seasoned at it. Or that I hadn't done it in a few months.

Like I just did it a few weeks ago. But I got out. And for the entire rest of the day, I was shaking. I couldn't get my body to regulate itself again. And it was so awesome just seeing how my body is so intelligent. that it was like, no, you're going through stress right now. You're going through this grieving period. And we're already fighting so much to keep your immune system up that the ice bath was the wrong choice.

Interesting. You know, so if you keep something linear like that thinking, well, it worked two weeks ago, it should work today. We see that in fasting all the time. People are like, I want to do a five-day water fast, but three, days in, I was going to pass out. It's like, okay, so listen to your body. And especially, especially women, you know, I think that we've lost touch of our own intuitive sense of what's right for our health because of looking at the way people look in magazines or comparing

ourselves to everybody around us. And so then we come to some really cool things like ice-bousing fasting. And then we do it in a community. And now you compare yourself to everybody in the community or you compare yourself to your husband or it's like no no no the whole purpose is to get in touch with the intelligence so you can find that right path for you for you I don't know if you find this on social media but um when I did my very first YouTube video and we have like over 500 videos now that we got like 227000 subscribers like really cool people over there But the first video was done because I was fed up. And what happened, it was here in California, SB 277 got passed, which was the vaccine law.

And I had spent so many hours researching vaccines and being very mindful of the chemicals that went into my children. And I was sitting one day at a ladies night out with a bunch of my friends. and we were discussing the SP277, and one of my friends had an older son that was vaccine injured. And so she didn't do it, didn't vaccinate the second child. And so she turns to me and she's like, we're whispering at the table. Like she's like, what are you going to do? Like how are you going to do this?

And our other friend overhears, the other women overhear it, and one of them looks at me and goes, your kids aren't vaccinated. Are you an idiot? And I'm like, actually, no. I've spent hours. and hours and hours researching this. I'm a very educated, thoughtful parent. And the other gal looks at me and says, well, if my doctor says that I need to do it, then I'm

going to do it. And so when SB 277 passed, I decided my job was to wake people up and to teach them how to think for themselves. So I just picked up the camera and was like, your body is a fucking miracle. You are built with so many incredible mechanisms. Stop doing what everybody else is doing and think for yourself. And it just launched this whole movement of people that gave them freedom to find that right path. And I think we are so desperately missing that right now.

Huge. Hugely. I think we're in a perfect storm situation because, the powers that be, and I don't know what I can say and what I can't. Say whatever. We'll edit out the rest, but I can actually say more here than I can say on YouTube. I've got to be really careful. Oh, for sure.

On Instagram, I can't say anything. I'm completely shadow banned on Instagram. But I think we're in a perfect situation for the powers that be, because everything that's brought us to this point has caused us to be depleted, exhausted, mentally, physically, everything. Like we look at every mother right now in 2020. And who, after a full day of trying to do the business that you were doing,

plus raising your kids, plus trying to figure out how to, oh, are you still there? That's okay. We just lost your video for a moment. Okay. You know, plus adding in orthorexia and adding in what you're feeding your kids and what you're trying to feed them and not feed them. And everyone's talking about the immune system, but what do you do and what do you not do?

Like they're exhausted to the point where at night you lay your head to your pillow and you cannot even digest normal information, never mind digging any deeper into any type of medical journal or what's true and what's not. I mean, we can't even, you can't even know what's true and what's not. And I think it's, I love that we share the same thing about. innate, incredible, intrinsic, our bodies are so wise and were created so incredibly that if you would just stop to listen and not be desensitized and not be hurried and know that maybe what's right for you isn't for somebody else, but it's okay to choose what's right for you.

Like for me, my, again, I'm not a doctor. I don't have initials after my name. No one should trust me other than I'm an expert in my own body. I'm an expert in my own experience. So when I, when I have a product that works for my cold sore, for example, it's not because I read a medical journal on it or did any time. I mean, I researched what works and what doesn't. And for me, it's this ozone oil that my husband is advanced certified in ozone therapy. So thankfully, he kind of did the research for me. Awesome. But he does the research and I'm always like the,

eh, we'll see. So I use it. And then when I share it, I share from my expert experience of what has worked for me. Not because, you know, a hundred case study did this, which do we really know that that happened?

What are they leaving out, you know? Or what have they added in or whatever? So it's coming back to, which is very difficult because we're just completely bombarded with everything from every single corner. What I love about technology is you and I being able to connect and being able to connect with hundreds of thousands of people in your audience, which is just, I mean, I didn't have to fly anywhere. We didn't have to all go into this major stadium. We can do it right here, which is an incredible, incredible benefit. it. And there's also the flip side of in this little device, there's millions of opinions and millions of scientific data and millions of different things that are just like,

overwhelming. Completely overwhelming and can shut you down. Do you get people then that say to you, hey, I tried the ozone lotion and it didn't work for me? Do you get that on your Instagram where they're like, hey, you told me to try that, but this isn't working for me? I haven't with the ozone yet because because it's that good. I know. Everybody else. It's incredible. But yeah, for sure. When I talk about beauty products or when I talk about, I mean, what else do I talk about certain supplements, you know, or certain things. And

that's why I, a huge advocate is just like you are for doing things in your season, especially with fasting. You know, I get asked that all the time. Do I intermittent fast? Do I water fast? Do I do the proline system? Like, what do I do? And I share some things that I do, but I certainly say, you know, if I do a certain type of fast, I'm like, if you want to join me and if we're on the same cycle.

Yeah, awesome. Then join me because I am starting on this day because it's the first day of my period. Well done. And I don't want to fast before when my body's actually thinking that it's revving up for protection and revving up to want to, you know, create this baby. And then when I haven't created the baby, then my body's like, oh, okay, perfect. Let's cleanse. Let's purge. Let's do this. Let's kind of start on a new circular season. Yeah. I love it. I think though we, I mean, just on health care alone, but probably our society in general, we're just people. And I see this like in my community,

people just like, just tell me the answer. I just want to know the answer. So like there's, it's like, there's a virus, just mask up and just stay masked until we tell you to vaccinate. And it's like, no, wait, that's how we create more suffering. And I feel like, and I'm not saying that those things are bad for those that are listening. I'm saying that we have to get back to thinking for ourselves, which is really what I love a lot about your Instagram. You are incredibly authentic and messy in all different ways, which allows everybody else to be messy and to find their own path. If we show up and say, this is what you do, this is how you do it, look at me, I'm perfect, humanity loses in that moment, don't you think? Completely. Oh, humanity loses

and I lose. I mean, any time that I can get at all high on myself on a physical level, I get a cold sore the next day. Oh, that's funny. At least you got the ozone cream. I know. It goes right in a few days. No, but I was lucky enough to have very realistic parents and to have, I was never surrounded with yes people.

I was always surrounded with an incredible group of friends that challenged me in a really good way and that we didn't always have the same opinions. And, yeah, there was a lot of things that kept me humble. And I think humility, I think there's a fine line between humility and victimhood, you know, because sometimes there's a lot of years where I thought, oh, I'm just being humble. But really, I was just being a victim and didn't want to step into my power and didn't want to take responsibility. So there's kind of that fine line. But I think there's nothing more incredible than an authentic person with confidence that also has humility and that has,

empathy because they've been through something. And that makes an authentic, whether it's a leader or whether it's just a friend, I think it makes an authentic human being of knowing that nothing's perfect. Something comes out of my mouth. I want it to be something from experience and it could change. And hopefully, you know, some things don't change. But I hope some things do change of opinions or wisdom because, again, when you know better, you do better, I've vaccinated my 18-year-old because I didn't know better. I had no idea. Right. And, you know, again, so this is my thing on that topic. And I wish we were talking about this on a, on a like a bigger scale right now in this pandemic is I feel like people should, if a doctor, when you had a child said, here's what I

think you should do for your child with vaccines. Here are the risks. Here's the benefits. Now you need to decide for yourself. We would be living in a totally different world, but that's not the way it works, is that we have so much fear put into us around how we show up, whether it's health care or right now, like how we think, like all of it. I keep telling my husband, I'm like, I have to, I have to protect my mind. Like, I got to be really careful what I take let in there. Because you could go down rabbit holes of conspiracy theory. You could, like, I just, I feel like now more than ever I'm trying to keep my own thoughts very clear. Yeah.

No, I think now more than ever, it's very important to go back to the, if every doctor, you know, gave you the opportunities of their knowledge and allowing you to make your own decision, the first time that I actually had like this bizarre epiphany about that was when my mom went in for chemotherapy. And my dad went through radiation and chemotherapy for leukemia and he had a bone marrow transplant. This was 30, whatever, years ago. And then now my mom, when she was diagnosed with colon cancer, she was kind of going through the same things because it's just what you know. Cancer, like it's C equals C, cancer equals chemotherapy. And so she kind of, you know, was asking

the doctor's about chemotherapy, asking about all this stuff. And she went, she kind of knew that she wanted some alternative method rather than losing the hair. And she, she kind of, you know, she, she was a nurse so she also knew that like you know what this does is it completely lowers your immune system my dad didn't die of cancer he died of pneumonia because he had caught a cold while he was in remission and you know they back then they weren't worried about building up his immune system whatsoever so my mom was kind of like oh okay well I'm going to go to these doctors and I'm going to ask you know every every single doctor said chemotherapy boom boom boom that was the first thing and after her fifth doctor that she went to,

she flew to the States, because I'm Canadians. She was in Canada. She flew to the States. And she was in tears, begged this doctor to be truthful with her and say, is there another option? And he literally went like this on the desk, almost did like one of these. And he goes, so if I don't tell you to do chemotherapy, or if I don't, If I don't encourage you to do chemotherapy, my license will be revoked.

Wow. And that for the first time, I was like, wait a second. Wow. What do you mean? And it threw me, it took me to go down that rabbit hole where instantly I was like, oh, wait, so people are now in this day and age, people are coming down hard on influencers, right, where they're like, how dare you promote this or promote, how do I know? I can trust you, you're just being paid to say this. And I want to be like, you know,

Kermit the Frog, like with the thing. I'm like, but you'll do anything your doctor says. Right. You don't think they're getting paid for everything that they're promoting. Yep. Yep. And not to throw doctors under the bus. They have an incredible amount of knowledge, but there's an incredible amount of knowledge that is at our fingertips. Yep. With with everything, that we don't have to go to a library and, you know, go down and try and find this book and that's book. Everything is available to us. There's stuff that's censored for sure, but we have a wealth of information that we can come to our doctors with and say, okay, so I know that you prefer this method, but what do you think about this? And if they're like, nope, then maybe find another doctor.

I'm just going to say, find another doctor. Yeah, we really eventually found a doctor. She did. that that helped her with with what she was going through. Unfortunately, it was too late and she detoxified. She detoxed too heavily too quickly. And she eventually died of kidney failure. Wow. But yeah, you know, it's always the if, if, if, but she wasn't in the right season to do what we would have wanted her to do. But if she would have, who knows, it could have been a lot different. Wow. So you have a two-year-old and a three-year-old? Is that what you said? Yeah. Okay. So how do you train? Because that's a fresh brain. That's a clean, a clean palette. There's not mine.

There's. Right. Yeah. I mean, I thought about this a lot as I was parenting as like just really being conscious to get them to think for themselves. So, you know, I think when just from what I know about neuroplasticity and our brains, the older we get, the harder it is to think for ourselves, the more ingrained. But if you're a parent that has young children, like give us some examples. Like, I know, I mean, just from Instagram, you live in, do you live in the woods? Like you live like in a little house.

Tell me about what you're doing because that's already out of the box and those kids are already learning that you don't need to live in a big mansion with a big fancy car to be happy. Yeah, it's funny because, you know, I went through this with my older son because we moved to Los Angeles when he was six months old. We lived in New York, had him in New York, and then we moved to L.A. And New York, wealth is seen differently in New York than it is in L.A. In New York, you can be a millionaire, but you're still living in a closet. Oh, yeah, because it's New York. You're still living in like a tiny little apartment. And then you come to L.A. and you're a millionaire.

And you have a millionaire's house, typically, right? You start with a millionaire car because everybody at L.A. drives. So the car is more important than the house, and then you get the house. It's funny, because that's the first thing we, got before we bought our house. So we moved to LA, we rented so that we could kind of suss out the situation. But we did buy a BMW. Yep. I always used that example. We bought a five series. Yep. I used to say people are paying more for their car payments than their apartment because in LA that's the way. That's what matters. Yeah, because before quarantine, you know, everyone was

driving on their cars all day long. Yeah. That's right. So we, yes, I raised my older son. quite differently than I did my younger children. So we, you know, moved into the typical Hollywood, West Hollywood, two million dollar home. And we had all of the friends, all the celebrities. And so my son's friends were all celebrity friends. And, you know, everyone had the big stuff. And, and then I got divorced and, um, and couldn't afford. I was the one that moved out because I was the one that chose to leave and moved out into an apartment that I had never paid my own phone bill. I had never paid for anything on my own. I was very, very young and just allowed my husband to steer the ship, and I wasn't worried about paying bills or anything like that. Anyway, it's a longer story. But over

a decade, I went from being very wealthy to not being able to afford gas in my car. Wow. And I painted my friend's baseboards so that she would get, so that she would have a reason. She was giving me cash under the table anyway. She's an incredible friend. But just so her husband could validate her slipping me cash. Funny. I painted their baseboards. I literally went to Home Depot, bought baseboards, installed baseboards, painted them.

And she gave me cash for gas for my car. and then that was kind of around the whole time where I was starting to train. And then with my training, I was able to mentally get back on my feet and able to work again and start making my own money, which eventually went into building another business. But in all of that, and then also with, so with losing all of my material possessions, it was around the same time that California was going through crazy fires. This was in, this would have been 10 years ago. where I couldn't afford my storage unit anymore. So I went in there. And in my ear on the radio, people were losing their homes.

They were being evacuated, you know, losing everything. And it was one of those moments for me too where I was like, ah, there's a brain switch here. Instead of being a victim of, oh, I can't afford this anymore. There's always the comparing up and the comparing down, right? So I was able to make a choice to actually give all of this stuff to goodwill because I had to downsize. And it went from downsizing to downsizing to downsizing.

And it all came in layers. So now we're choosing to raise our family in a very, very small footprint. We're in a guest house that doesn't even have its own address in a one room home. So we took out both little bookshelves and both kids sleep on either side of the couch in like little teepees. And then our bed is here and our little kitchen is here. in our bathroom and we live, we have like an indoor, outdoor living situation, but because we spend a lot less money on our, on our living expenses, we have a lot more space outside and we spend a lot of time outside because we're not spending time having to make more money to pay for more stuff.

Yep. And I think it helped you when my mom died because instantly everything that meant something to her on the Friday, on the Saturday after she passed away, we got rid of. Oh, wow. We had, we had, we had three different bags, a goodwill bag, a friend bag and a garbage bag, three different colors. Because she was in Canada and I was up there to help my sister because she was living in my sister's basement or in her condo. And so I was only there for two weeks and I wanted to help my sister. She was pregnant with her fourth. So we really just like, you know, it wasn't one of those where you just leave everything for a couple months. I was going to say that is not what most people, yeah,

most people hang on to it because they can't let it go. Yeah, it was again, a choice of desperation, which I'm really grateful for now because I didn't want to have my have to have my sister deal with that alone in the next couple of months. And I knew that she was having her fourth baby. So we were there for two weeks. And within those two weeks, we literally separated everything into those three piles, one to give to her friends, another one to give to goodwill, and the other one was trash. Wow. And it was very, very freeing.

I was just going to say. Yeah. I bet. I mean, I've never felt more free than I do now because I've gone through so many experiences of letting go, some out of desperation and somewhat of choice. Back to the training. You either decide to train yourself in an ice bath or you let life train you or you do both and you find yourself. Training yourself is a lot easier because then you can withstand what

life throws at you because you already have the training. You've gone through the marathon training to know that you can do those 26.2 miles. Yeah. And I hope that we look back at 2020 and we say that. I mean, I've in so many ways. Some of us will. Yeah. Some of us won't. In so many ways there was this year pushed me to do things that are so much better for my life. than they were before, even though they were painful in the moment. So I hope as a society, we go back and we look at some of those things. I mean, I think there's incredible moments. Think of all the people that are sold their homes and are living in an RV. Yeah, right. Living this incredible, adventurous life. I mean, five of my closest friends

moved from L.A. this year. Wow. Where'd they go? Two went to Australia, went to New Zealand. Wow. One went to Georgia. And another one. is back and forth in Aspen. But I think it's, it's, you know, it's brought about change where people are really thinking what is, what is worth it right now? And it's like, what, what is happiness and what is health? And that looks different for everybody. But I think people are now finally kind of forced to, to take a side. Yeah. Right. We all know. There's never been more division in this country. For sure. But it's not all bad. I think it's really good. If you can, if you can be confident in your choice through knowledge and through kind of gaining that wisdom

and gaining that understanding of why you're making your choice. Yeah. And figuring out what's right for you, which is, I think, the most important thing because, you know, you could live your whole life and all of a sudden you're 60 and realize you live somebody else's life. And in this moment, yeah, at this moment, we get to make a decision on how we want to do this. I mean, I can just tell you here in Silicon Valley, I have so many patients that are like, I'm not going back, like big high tech, like Facebook, Google, and they're like, we're not going back till next year. And so then all of a sudden, their whole day has been reorganized. They can come in to our office whenever they want. And they are happier human beings because they're not going to the office and getting stuck there until nine

o'clock at night. And what you thought was normal. Like what you think of New York. Think of New Yorkers who thought it was normal to go into their tiny little cubicles and go into their tiny little things day in and day out and it takes something this global and this monstrous to actually shake us up and be like, wait, that doesn't have to be normal. I don't have to be in this rat race. Like I can choose to take a break. Because if I don't, something. will choose to break me and I don't have the training for it. That's why I always say like with fasting or with nutritional choices or with ice baths or movement or whatever, even if you feel great, if you don't implement those actions when you're feeling healthy, you're certainly not going

to have the energy to implement those when you're feeling like shit. So when you all of a sudden are diagnosed with cancer or you're diagnosed with whatever, your energy is already, like, completely displaced. So you're, you're now worried about your family and you're worried about this and you're trying to get doctors notice, doctor's appointments here and there. You're typically not going to do your first coffee enema. Right. When you come back from your doctor's appointment that just told you your colon cancer. If you've never done it before, you know.

Right. But if you've done coffee enemas and you've gotten over the fear and you've seen the result, and the results speak louder than the fear, and all of a sudden you're excited and you see how vibrant you are and how amazing you feel and how your skin has cleared up and your immune system is on point. Then when you, if you get diagnosed with cancer, then you're like, boom, I know what to do. I've done this. I'm going to fast. I'm going to do my coffee animals. I'm going to do this, this and this. And it's not as hard because you've seen the benefits and you've seen the results and you've already practiced it.

So it's not this like huge overwhelming thing that you have to start something new. I love that. I love that. I walked the journey of cancer with a good friend. And I watched how much money she spent trying to repair her health. And I mean, the pain and everything she went through. And when she, a couple days before she died, she was in hospice care. And her liver was, it was breast cancer that had metastasized to the liver.

And the liver was just, I mean, she was. was skin and bones and you could see this ginormous tumor-filled liver. And I remember something clicking in my brain and thinking, okay, so we get to decide, do we wait until we get the diagnosis to try to do something? Or do I do everything that she did to try to undo her cancer? What if I did that now? So I never have to be in this position again. Forever. Yeah. And even if you are for some reason, even if you are, then you have. the tools and you've built a house before, you know how to build a house. And if a hurricane comes in and demolishes that house, you know, because you've built homes before, you know how to build a house

and you know where to start and you have all the tools and you can rebuild your house. Yeah, I love it. I love it. But it does take practice. I have a couple other questions for you. But before I do that, you have to tell me your favorite biohack. So like your husband owns a, does he own a biohacking center? or an office or what does he do? I know. He's like the biggest, what do you call it? Like, not anomaly, but what's when someone's like super private and super like wants to be?

Oh, gosh. Yeah, that's how my husband is too. Yeah. So he doesn't, he wouldn't want it. And I'm just like, oh, let me tell me about my sexual past, you know. Oh, my gosh. I'm just like, wow, really? No, but he's, no, he's, he's fine.

He's on my Instagram. No, he doesn't own an office, but he does, he does everything from hands-on. He used to do a lot more hands-on, obviously. And then now he does phone consultations and works with people privately. But he is, I just swallowed a hair. Hold on. It's all good. Extra minerals in there. It'll be good for you. I know, right? Let me just put some collagen in there. Yeah. So he was a model also for 20 years, but before the, that he did prerequisites for chiropractic. So he's always had, like, he's always had an interest in how the body works and the mind-body connection. And on a personal level, his mom suffered for years and years with back pain and did a bunch of different surgeries. And he watched his mom for a lot of his years growing up in bed and in pain and in the hospital, in traction and stuff. So he, from a heartfelt level, has always wanted to help people. And I don't want to call him a healer because that sounds really woo-woo.

But he really is because he goes to the root of why someone's having symptoms. And then he deals with those symptoms. So he works on the body. But as you know, with that, he also deals with the mind and everything from nutrition all the way to scar tissue and, you know, to everything. So we have all of, I have all of the biohacking. tools that I have because we've invested in it for his work. So I don't know if we would have invested in it before, but he's able to use it for work. So almost like it feels like it's okay to spend

that amount of money. I wouldn't have spent the amount on myself, which is so funny because like we were saying, but all of a sudden you get diagnosed with something and money just blows of the window. Right. And you find it. The money you didn't know you have all of a sudden. So what's your favorite tool that you guys have? I hate to say it, but it's seasonal. It's completely, that's great. Yeah, it's completely seasonal because if we had to leave, well, no, okay. So if, if we were evacuated or if, you know, something happened where we had to leave and we had to choose one of our biohacking tools, it would probably be our ozone units. Okay. Awesome. I think the number one thing would be our ozone units. Now, don't quote our,

this is me saying. I think ozone would be number one and then number two would be our PEMF unit. Yeah, we have one of those. Yeah. That thing is amazing. It's, yeah. It's basically, it's the, it's the most upstream in our opinion. It's the most upstream that you can get when you heal the, you know, Dr. Pompa's whole thing. When you heal the cell, you get well or get, heal the cell to get well. Yeah, heal the cell to get well. Yeah. Yeah. So I think the most upstream tools would be the PEMF and the ozone. I do the PMF, what I've been doing through this craziness is I'll pop on it at 7.8 is the frequency of the earth. And when I'm feeling unearthed or like I'm getting stuck in the energy of the world, I just pop myself on that thing. And it's like somebody tranquilizes you. It's within minutes. You are so relaxed.

It's crazy. It's completely grounding. And it's incredible what you can feel on that cellular level. Because so many things are invisible, you know, like Wi-Fi is invisible. All of these inhibitors to our immune system and to our brain that's causing brain fog and all that stuff, you can't see it. So it's, you know, if a car is coming at you, you feel like, oh, no. I mean, there's going to be an accident. We don't see all of these invisible things now.

We don't see the glyphosate. we don't see all of these things. And so, you know, even with a PEMF, it's, it's something that you really don't, you can't see it, but you can feel it. And then right away, you can feel, oh, you can feel what you weren't doing before. And you can feel that this is actually working. Yes. It does have that immediate one. Okay. And then I'm going to, I have five questions for you, but before I do that, I have to ask you, because what you think of your Joy Lux, I saw that you talk about the Joy Lux. And a large piece of my audience is menopausal women. And when I heard about the Joy Lux, I'm like, this is a gift to all women. Yes. For real. I just, it's so funny, I just did a live

the other day. So that's why it's just here on my, it's amazing. On my bedside. And again, I was saying on the other life, too, I need to actually, before I talk about it, I need to like dive into the actual research of it because the company is probably like, ah, you should maybe read a little bit. But I just know experientially wise that it is, it's incredible. So I don't know what your audience knows. Well, we, so I can tell you what all the menopausal women use it for is that there's so much dryness that happens as you move through menopause. Sex becomes difficult. And you lose the tightness of the inner vaginal area. So when I learned about it, we use red light therapy in here. And I was like, red light therapy for inside the vagina.

On the inside. That's brilliant. Yeah. Yeah. No, I thought the same thing. So I instantly thought red light because I have, I have a lot of toys. I love toys and tools. But this is the first one that I saw that was a medical grade device that was like FDA approved and all this stuff. But I was like, but I don't even care about that. Because a lot of stuff that I do is an FDA approved. As you know, But red light was the first thing that I was like red light on the inside. That completely makes sense. It's like ozone insulflations. They make sense to me or coffee. Anything that you do on the inside is amazing. But then also with the vibration, with the timing of it, and what I didn't know because I haven't read, but I didn't see or read or hear anything, that there's one, there's one

thing on here, whatever you call it, not tone, but there's one, I think there's 12 different vibrations. Yeah. And one of them I found that when I clench, when I do a kegel, this responds. So it responds with a with a bigger vibration. Yeah. And then I let go and it kind of goes back to the normal vibration. Oh, I didn't know that. And then I clench and it vibrates harder. Yeah. So I don't know if that. So black, no, I actually, I got. to go back and look at that. So like bladder control and like, you know, it is a big thing for women just because they can't. And what I learned about it from Susan Bratton, who was talking about how a lot of times women are not getting pleasure during sex because they can't grab the way

they used to be grab. And any woman that's had a baby will tell you, yeah, life is different down there after a head comes flying through. So I, yeah. head comes flying through, but also just your pelvic floor. So when you think of just your anatomy, your pelvic floor is that sling, that beautiful little sling that holds up all of this stuff. So when you're pregnant and you gain however many pounds, it doesn't matter if it's 20 pounds or if it's 100 pounds, all of that weakens your pelvic floor. So if you're not doing pelvic floor exercises when you're pregnant, which is such a peep of mine too, if you go back to like us just giving up all of our common sense and just saying, oh, you know, there was no doctor or no, there was no doctor that

ever told me to exercise when I was pregnant. It literally was the opposite of like, well, you should probably just take it easy and don't do this and don't do that and make sure you eat enough. And it wasn't like, yes, you are in for a marathon now, so you better start training. This is, you find out you're pregnant and it's day one of training. Yeah. That's how I was with my last pregnancy, thankfully. But pelvic floor is like that should you, it's a must. We should have education for every single woman that gets pregnant even before you get pregnant

to strengthen that area because it's not only for feel good for, you know, having orgasms. But as we know, what an orgasm does for your entire body and our sexual health is like the epicenter of health for everything. Yeah, yeah. But it's bizarrely not talked about it. No, that's why when I was preparing for this, Jessica's like, yes, she just went on and talked about Joy Lux on her Instagram. I'm like, oh, my God. And she actually showed the thing.

I was like, that's amazing. So I love it. I decided actually for, and now you got me thinking, maybe I'll do it for people's 40th birthday. Every 50-year-old woman in my life is getting that as a present when she turns 50. I have a friend who just turned 60. I gave her one. And it's like, and every woman's like, what? Yeah, it's an incredible gift. It's, it is, you know,

I say it is expensive. It's $500, but expensive is relative to, you know, some people, some women will have no problem dropping $500 on a pair of stilettos, you know, but, but I will spend, I will spend $500 on a medical grade device that I don't have to go and do what my mom did, which was bladder surgery. Right. And then another surgery and another surgery. And then she ends up. ended up having piles where basically her anus fell out or like her bum fell out because she was doing a squat or whatever like just again with no education right I would much rather spend money on this yeah um than another area of my life because this is upstream okay so the ozone the PEMF and my joy like that's what I thought I thought the joy likes would be in there so yeah awesome yeah

that's an easy one. Yeah. Okay. Last five questions. So these are like rapid fire questions that we have specific for you. If you could go back and talk to your 30-year-old self, what advice would you give her? 30. It's so hard. That question is so hard because I would say something to myself, but it wouldn't land because I hadn't been through what I went through to get to where I am here. So I don't mean for that to be a cop-out. No, no, I think that's well said. What do you think?

She needed to hear at that time. She needed to know, I wish that I wish I would have had the tools of knowing that I have a choice of choosing happiness and that I didn't have to choose to be sad to feel validation. because my whole life I had chosen sadness as an identity. And I don't know if it's because my dad died when I was 11. So it was kind of that like prepubescent whole thing of like, you know, I'm sure Dr. Freud has some study that he did on that, you know. But something happened there where my dad was taken away and I was this 11 year old little girl.

And then, you know, every relationship after that was imprinted with the, the fatherless little girl, you know? So I chose, I chose an identity of sadness because that's what got me attention as a little girl. And it's so interesting when I look back because I had huge physical issues that were caused from my depression. So back pain, insane menstrual cramps. I would be out of school for three or four days out of the month because I had such bad menstrual cramps. And all of those things now, knowing that I have tools to actually not have cramps anymore, which is, you know, a different topic. Maybe you needed to put her in an ice bath. See, but the thing was, is you could have thrown me in an ice bath at my 30th, and I would have had no tools to know what to do with it.

So it really, I wish, yeah, I wish I would have, I wish I would have known about the choice, the choice of happiness, the choice of thoughts. I wish, I didn't believe that my thoughts and my emotions ruled me because I thought that, I thought my emotions were just my emotions and you can't control them. And so my emotions controlled me and my thoughts controlled me where a decade later, I now know that that's false, that I can control my emotions and I can control my thoughts. Yeah. I think a lot of people don't even ever learn that. So it's no, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What now one of the things I love about the way you show up on Instagram and I think the fact that you were a model is even more powerful.

Because you show up so authentically and you give the rest of the world and especially young girls. the permission to be authentic. So what would you say to girls right now who are watching social media and making the decision on how they want to act, how they want to look based off of what they're seeing on social media? I mean, it sounds cliche because I feel like a lot of people are saying it already now. That social media is just your highlight reel and to not compare. I think the best thing that we can do for ourselves and for our kids, it's hard because, you know, I use social media for my business. A lot of people do. But I think that I think what we all need to get back to, kind of circling back to what you said at the beginning, is authenticity and is, is the power in ourselves. So I think a big tool is to shut off social media. I haven't watched the social dilemma yet.

But obviously I've heard all about it. Yeah. But I think a huge thing that is in our control, when everything in the world seems out of control, we can still control to shut this off. So we can use it for business or kids can use it for school or whatever. But when there's like a heightened anxiety that comes with comparison, then it's in your control to shut it off. Yeah.

I think that's true. That's pretty powerful. Yeah. So you can use it for business, use it for whatever you need to to connect on. But then shut it off and connect to yourself and connect to another human being. Yeah, I love that. I love that. Okay, I know I was going to ask you what the five things are that you do every day for your health.

But now that I've talked with you for the last hour and some, I'm going to ask one thing because I think your answer will be like, I don't know, every day is a different day. What's like? I do have, I do have my top things that I try and hit in a day. What are they? Number one is hydration. hydration, I think, sets my entire day up for success. So first thing I do, well, actually, first thing I do is ion biome.

So I take doctor's ax ion biome because otherwise nothing will connect in my cells. So I feed that first. And then I drink water. I literally carry this around like a crazy person. And I either put it out in the sun and add a little bit of sea salt to it to the water to structure the water. So it actually hydrates you instead of just. makes you pee a million times a day. So hydration and ion biome and then supplementation. Okay. I take supplements like a crazy person daily because I might not have time to eat what I should

eat for sustenance and nutrition. So whether I'm doing greens, like my organify, I have a whole system of organify that I do morning, noon, and night, just easy stuff. That's mindful, but that's also really quick and doesn't take a lot of time because I certainly can't do a coffee and I'm at every day. I can't do a sauna every day. I love when I compare myself to people on social media, I always, I'm like, come on today. Like, do you have time to do your hair. Like I had a bunch of Zoom calls today. So I just kind of like, you know, I do my hair and makeup. But most days, there's other things that are important. I'd much rather take time to make sure I go for a walk or make sure that I'm outside as much as I can be. So the non-negotiables are ion biome. And that sounds like a weird

QVC like ad. It's not at all. It's just, it's changed my mind. Us too. Yeah, we talk about it. Yep. It's a non-good. I always tell people that if there was one supplement, it's not really even a supplement you should be on. That's it. So agreed. Yeah. So non-negotiables are ion biome, hydration, supplementation, movement and laughter. Because I know I'm going to cry. I'm going to cry. That's a given. Like that's not even a choice.

I'm just going to cry. And so I need to make it a choice to laugh. And typically it's with my kids or whatever. But laughing changes things. Yeah. It's a great state changer. Okay, who are the five people you follow on social media that you're like, oh, you got to go check these people's social media out?

Oh, that's a good one. Gosh, I would almost have to like go on to trigger it for me. I know, right. Okay, so let's think of more like Zach Bush. I mean, like people who have really impacted the way that you think and you appreciate the messages that they're sending out there. So maybe it's not even social media. Maybe it's people you've interacted with. Well, you would be huge on that list. I think following someone that is educated and that is current, but that you also care.

and empathy with you as well. So there's people, there's people that have your amount of education that literally are just like, whoop. It's like that Charlie Brown teacher is like, but I, I appreciate, and Dr. Zach does this as well. I appreciate someone with education that doesn't, doesn't need to use the big words, even though you have it in your vocabulary, but you can, you can talk normal and you can talk on, on a level of person to person, I understand and that lands with me and that actually triggers change in me. That's normal. So you would be a huge one.

Dr. Zach would be another one. People, I mean, you know, again, I hate to come back to seasons, but I've done spring cleaning on my Instagram constantly. Oh, yes. Because when I was pregnant, my top five would have been a lot different than postpartum. Yeah. or 2020, you know, is a lot different. I follow, I follow accounts now that are educational, empathetic, mindful, and serene. Yes. So I can't follow too many accounts that are like a type,

you know, workout programs and this and that because I'm just not in that space. Like, I need to do that for myself, but then I need to follow people who are like calm. Yes. Yes. Yes. But, Yeah, I would say like educational because I think social media, the greatest tool about social media is gaining tools. So whether it's anything from a little less toxic, Shauna is someone that I love because her tag is a little less toxic, which means do what you can in the season that you're in. So you don't have to be overwhelmed and change everything, but just change, you know, change little things along the way. and then that becomes a sustainable lifestyle for you that just brings health and brings healing, you know, along the way.

Yeah, I had to do some spring cleaning on my Instagram, especially. I took a little break from Facebook just because I just like, again, want to hear my own voice. But if people were arguing or they were adversarial, I was like, I just can't. I'm not, I don't want to be in that vibration right now. No, for right now. I may be in that place again later, but for right now, like you said before, too, I need to protect this. I need to protect this so that I have energy enough for my children. That's right. And if I'm completely depleted and in every single conversation and in every

single opinion, I have nothing left for my family, you know? So true. So true. I love that. Okay, last one. If you had one message for the world that you could get implanted in everybody's brain. What would that be? Be kind to yourself. Love it. Yep. I mean, I'm sure tonight I'll be laying in bed being like, darn it, I should have said this. It would be much more powerful. Well, when we post this on Instagram, you can put in, hey, I want to make a modification

to that. My number five, but no, it is something that I tell my audience all the time and that I need to tell myself more. So I feel like that's a good message when I know that I don't do it for myself. But I think kindness, especially in the world right now, not only to other people, but kindness and grace for ourselves. It brings down the expectations and it brings down the animosity and it brings everything down to a place that, because you can only absorb so much, you know. And I think if you're kind to yourself, then that will become a motivation instead of being hard on yourself.

Agreed. It was a whole part of my victimhood too, whereas the more of a victim I was, the harder I was on myself. And I didn't get anything done. Yes. Where when you're kind to yourself, you can really offer yourself grace. And then when you operate from that place, you can become a lot more successful and really be a better human being. And I think that that's really at the, at the center of everything. And like,

contribute to the world. You know, I think as a parent, that was a really big, like the number one value I wanted my kids to grow up with was compassion and kindness because the world didn't need more takers. Then it needs more givers and more people who are elevating the vibration. So I love that. So, well, this was a delight. I really appreciate after a full, Zoom talk with the teacher to pop on here. I'm going to go cry right now. I'm just going to let it all out. So now you can go.

At least you had a couple tools in your back pocket. And I'm going to do my son who's 18. He's agreed to do the ice bath with me where we'll like throw it in the tub. Like I, you know me? As a mom, I'm like, are you going to get in it with me? And he's like, no. Okay, well, I'll get in it first and then you get in it. So we will send a little Instagram message to you when we decide to do a nice path.

It's the greatest way of teaching our children is by example. Yeah. I'm getting them involved in what you're doing. So I love that. Yes, definitely send me a video of that because it's fun. I will. I will. So, but keep up all the amazing work you're doing.

And I, you know, I know. Thank you. You too. Thank you. You know, it seems like just being authentic is just how you want to show up. But I, again, I just want to emphasize that. as a beautiful woman who was a model, like you really give women permission to continue to be authentic. So thank you for doing that. That's a great compliment. I appreciate that.

Awesome. Okay. You can go cry now. I'll go cry and maybe use my joy locks on. Benefit from something. Thank you. Okay, Angie, have a great one. You're seeing you. Okay. Bye. Okay, resetters. So, again, I just can't emphasize enough that we're trying to bring unique perspectives to you. And from, you know, somebody who grew up in L.A., I just really saw how my mind got really conditioned to think that beauty was from the outside in.

And what I love about Angie and what we just heard is that, yeah, I mean, you guys, she's gorgeous. There's no doubt. She's beautiful. She's beautiful. But she also is so authentically herself, which enhances her beauty. Absolutely. Again, it allows us to stay in our own lane. I just can't.

I feel like this has got to be the message of 2020. It's like protect the brain, stay in your lane, think for yourself. And she really embodies that. Yeah. Well, and we've had a couple people on here now talk about talking about the beauty aspect, right? like the inside out, outside in perspective that we have either on ourselves in health and all of that. So I feel like she was a great combination of like the beauty aspect of it, but then also like the health care aspect of it and how she's really embodied this way of life

where everything that she does, she's doing to, she's doing from the inside out perspective. How do I enhance the inside so that my outside world is better? Yeah, which is what I love about watching her on Instagram and everything that she's doing. Agreed. The other thing that she gave me new insight, and this is the joy to me of podcasting, is you get to have these great conversations with such incredible minds. But the ice baths. And I think fasting definitely falls in this category as well, where it is mental training for those adverse moments. And I remember when the pandemic first hit, I would say to our resetters, like, we trained for this

moment. But what I thought I was saying at that time or what I felt like I was saying is your immune system will be strong. And now what I realize is I want to go back. In fact, we have a fat burner call, fat burner reset call on Tuesday. And I want to go back and say, actually, I want to add another line to that and say you're also training for those adverse moments. Because just like the ice bath, when you're fasting, you start thinking like, oh my God, I'm going to die. I'm going to pass out. Is this safe? What's going on? And you have those breakthrough moments. So I love how she uses the biohacking tools for mental training like that. Yeah. And I love how everything she talks about is in a circle. I thought that was really, there was something in that that that clicked with me.

Because, you know, she talked about the fasting, how she even does like fasting for her hormones. I was like, oh, I saw that. So excited when she said that. I know. But as she was. talking it was making me think last week I had a conversation with Andrea and she was asking me what what am I doing for my fasting and I was like oh I pretty much do omad and she's like you love that you need to like stop doing omad so much you're going to tank your hormones if you want to ever have a baby and I was like oh I guess I've been doing the linear model it's right fasting omad's become easy for me it's I've been linear and I've stopped doing so much of the circle in terms of fasting so I loved how she put that into perspective, though. Yes. Yeah, agreed. And I, and she kept saying the circle,

I love that in the seasons. And we use the word variation. But I, I, what I've learned as somebody who is, like, tell me how to play the game. And then I'm going to work really hard to succeed at the game. So whatever the game is, right? So with the fasting game, it's like, oh, is it to go five days every month. And then you start to with what we teach around fasting for women's cycles and eating for the your stress levels. Like when you start to get into that rhythm, there's so much freedom. It's like so freeing. But we don't we're not like that in our world. We want to just tell me what to do. I'll do it. Tell me to mask up, social distance, you know, and I really want to bring back people thinking for themselves. Well, it's the one one pill.

Right. Like I want the one pill and I'm going to do it your way. But I loved what she said about how it's going to work differently for everybody, given whatever your childhood experiences, whatever your current stress is, what's your work schedule like. How much sleep are you getting? They all come into play with whatever it is that you're trying to do. So there's no one size. It's all answer. And I can only imagine, it's funny. I was going to find, I was going to show you this. I can only imagine the amount of DMs. I mean, I know the amount of DMs we get. I can only imagine the amount of DMs that she gets about people like telling, saying, well, this didn't work for me or what about this or giving their whole life story. But she got this message the other day. Did she put it on a big post? Oh my gosh. It was amazing. Oh, I can't find it. She got some comment. She was talking about Arland. Arland, I think she was talking about how he went on to talk about EMFs or something. I can't remember what it was. That's her hubby. That's her hubby. And somebody wrote back like this really mean comment about how ugly he was and uneducated. And I was just like, it just gets me thinking the amount of if you want to follow somebody, follow them. It goes back to

like the social media. Like follow people that inspire you. If, if what the person's saying does not inspire them, please don't take the time to write a nasty DM. No. Right. Yeah. How many of them do you think she gets about the prod like restore ion by on. I've seen some of the nasty ones people send about this stuff's nothing. It's just expensive. What happened with Joylax? I didn't even look at that. I haven't seen. I don't know. But somebody did write like, why are you selling a vibrator? Yeah. Like if you actually watch the whole thing, you'll know that it's not a vibrator.

Yeah. Anyways. I want to go back and watch her, her ice bath because again, that's my next thing to try to. Of course, we're going into winter. I should probably have started ice bathing in the summer. Or bathing in the summer. Yeah. But I want to go back and watch. that because I think that's really interesting about how it changed over time. It's the same with fasting though, right? Like remember our first time fasting, it's so hard. And then I remember the first 24 hour fast. It was like a big day.

It was like today I'm going to go all the way to dinner. I can do it. And I remember it too thinking, what am I doing? Why am I doing this? And now, like you said, OMAD is a pretty go-to for us during the work week. Yeah, that's super easy. So, yeah, awesome. Everything with practice.

Yeah, well, guys, go check out her Instagram. She really is inspiring. She comes at life from a lot of different angles. And one of the reasons I really wanted to bring her on for you is just because of her mindset. And I just want all of our listeners to know you're never a victim. I want you to think for yourself. I want you to gain information and decide what's right for you. I'm not asking you to think like me.

I'm asking you to think like you. And that requires getting around people that think outside the box. And she's just incredible, incredible that way. So let us know what you think. How'd you like it? And go follow her on Instagram. And then you can see all the wonderful things she's doing. Hope it helps.