Live Like a Girl with Dr. Mindy Pelz - Supplements in Modern Medicine: Blending Nutrients & Technology with Dr. Yoshi Rahm

Episode Date: June 17, 2024

Dr. Yoshi Ram is a board-certified osteopathic family physician with expertise in integrative and holistic medicine. On this episode, he dives deep into the world of supplements, demystifying the complexities of choosing the right form—be it tablets, capsules, IVs, or suppositories. Dr. Yoshi also shares his profound insights on how supplements can enhance a healthy lifestyle, but not replace it, emphasizing essential, cost-free habits to adopt before considering supplementation. He and Dr. Mindy also explore the transformative EBOO ozone therapy and Methylene Blue treatment, highlighting their incredible benefits. Whether you're a health professional or someone seeking better wellness solutions, this episode offers a masterclass in supplements and integrative health practices. To view full show notes, more information on our guests, resources mentioned in the episode, discount codes, transcripts, and more, visit https://drmindypelz.com/ep240 Dr. Yoshi Rahm founded Oasis Family Medicine in the greater Los Angeles area in 2011, where they have since served patients a wide variety of complex medical conditions in a compassionate and effective manner combining the best of allopathic western medicine in conjunction with an integrative and holistic healing approach to serve those locally as well as across the U.S and internationally.  Oasis Family Medicine is always striving to improve and since 2020 they have enjoyed being on the cutting edge of using EBOO as a therapeutic modality, having done almost 2,000 EBOO sessions for patients, giving him a unique ability to speak to the clinical realities of EBOO.  They are also running an UBI, Ozone, and Methylene Blue study currently and he has launched his L.I.V.E Method which stands for Longevity Ignited, Vitality Empowered – to unleash ageless vitality.& Check out our fasting membership at resetacademy.drmindypelz.com. Please note our medical disclaimer.

on this episode of The Resetter podcast. I bring you one of my favorite doctors, Dr. Yoshi Rom. So I'm going to read a little bit about Dr. Yoshi here in a moment, but those of you who have been following my podcast for some time, you have heard me talk about this miraculous IV treatment called Ibu. And if you listen to the episode with Leanne Rhymes, we talked about how deeply Ibu helped her on her healing journey. And I've been sending many of the patients I work with to Dr. Yoshi, and the results have been incredible. So my original intention was to bring him on to share

with you all what Eboo is. And since that invitation, I asked him what he felt about just doing a general podcast on supplements. And he was game. And I think this is one of the best episodes that I have ever done on supplementation because supplements are confusing, right? Like, how do you know if you're getting a clean supplement? How do you know should you take a capsule or a tablet or how do you know? Do you do a suppository, a spray, an IV? Like, if you're like me even confused as to what is the best supplementation path for you or in my case, what is the best one for my patients.

And I know we have a lot of doctors that listen to this podcast. you were about to get a masterclass on supplements. And Dr. Yoshi has such a beautiful way around explaining. He has such a huge heart. And he and I really both agree that supplements should supplement a healthy lifestyle. You can't supplement your way to good health if your lifestyle is trash. We talk about that. And he even took it a step further and said,

make sure you are doing these things in your lifestyle. All of them, he said, are free before you supplement. And then we go into how do you navigate a tablet, a capsule, an IV, a suppository. How do you know how to find a supplement that is right for you? And then, of course, we finish up the discussion, the back half of the discussion on Ibu, ozone therapy, and methylene blue. It is such a comprehensive discussion on supplementation that I've really. really, really hope is going to help you make an educated decision for you. Let me give you a little bit

of a simple explanation of who Dr. Yoshi is. He is a board certified osteopathic family physician with a separate board certification in integrative and holistic medicine. What I find really fascinating about him is that he grew up in a small town in Northern California. He grew up without electricity, a TV, a phone. I mean, he's my age. So this is a pretty unique upbringing. But from that, he really appreciated the simple things that give us health, like the sun and the earth and human connection. So he has a clinic in Glendale, California. Those of you that are looking for an integrative doctor to go to, this is my go-to. So this is the one I recommend you call, you see. He also has an online presence and a course that he teaches online that he talks about in this episode at Dr. Yoshi.com.

So it is with great pleasure and a full heart that I bring you an incredible conversation on healing and supplementation with Dr. Yoshi Rom. Enjoy. Welcome to the Resetter podcast. This podcast is all about empowering you to believe in yourself again. If you have a passion for learning, if you're looking to be in control of your health and take your power back, this is the podcast for you. Yeah, let me start Dr. Yoshi by welcoming you to the Resetter podcast. Thank you for joining me here. Thank you so much.

I'm just super honored to be with you now for everyone else. Dr. Yoshi's clinic is called Oasis Family Medicine. And this is the Eboo Master. We have been talking about Ibu on this podcast. So I have to start off by thanking you for that because that has been, Ibu has been a game changer for so many people. So appreciate that you are offering that. Yeah, it's an exciting modality for sure.

It's not the whole picture, but it is a potential game changer when there's a nice baseline to hold it up. Yeah, agreed, agreed. You know, integrative medicine has changed dramatically in the last 10 years. And our appreciation for things like supplements and IVs have dramatically changed. So one of the criticisms that I see with integrative medicine and one of the criticisms not just from other doctors, but also from patients, is the overuse of supplementation. And I think the supplement world is a wild, wild west world. And I personally, I don't know, I never told, I don't think I ever told you this,

that there was a time period I thought, I can't find a good supplement. I'm going to create my own supplement. And so I started to search for products that I could blend together that were free of heavy metals, that hadn't had been sprayed with pesticides, that were food-based, they weren't synthetic. And that was really hard to find. And I finally at that moment was like, oh, that's not my field. The only way I would go into the supplement business would be if I could create it from

scratch where I was actually growing the ingredients. So I understand how dirty supplements can be. I understand how people use supplements and they don't know why they're just using them. And I also know that people can spend a lot of money on IV drips, same way, and still have no formula or ethos in which to use those supplements. So how about ice we start off with where do you see supplements in somebody's healing journey? Yeah, especially in this world that we're in like you alluded to. And there's been a few studies, and I'm going to get the percentages off a little bit here.

But like how many of over-the-counter nutraceuticals slash supplements actually have as much of the ingredient in them as they say or dote even? and then how many are just completely adulterated. And it's somewhere like 30 to 40 percent, depending on which source you're looking at, of over-the-counter nutraceuticals have that issue. So, A, it's like be really careful once you do to find a good quality source.

And then... But wait, before you move on to that, how do you find that good quality source? Because I've had a lot of people ask me that. Yeah. are these kind of these doctor product lines. And there's a number of them now. I think one of the first ones was metagenics, right? And there's peer encapsulations. And there's the designs for health and zymogens. And there's a lot of other ones now as well, a lot of good quality ones. And so

you just really want to get tapped into that world. There are a lot of choices now. But if you're just talking about going to Vons or Rite Aid or something and picking up the counter or buying on Amazon, you know, you run into the risk of getting those adulterated products. Yeah. And just so we fill everybody in, by doctor products, you mean you can only have a doctor's license to buy it. And those brands are the brands that typically are better than what you can get on Amazon or like you said in the supermarket. And it's because they're putting that extra, like they cost a little bit more, but they're using that extra cost, right, to put the efforts into getting cleaner products. So true. Which at the end of the day, that's like if you're going to pay

for something, you've got to have it be quality. That's right. Yeah. That's right. And then the other thing is, you know, I used to see people come into me to begin with, you know, and they would literally bring in their bag of medications with 10, 15, 20 medications. And then, you know, for a while I got into the trap of, okay, here's your 10, 15, 20 supplement bottle. Yes. Oh my God. Yes. Like I'm guilty of that over a time period. Now I've gone away from that because I don't want to, it's like supplements can still be a Band-Aid approach. They can still cover up a deeper lying issue. Yeah. Now, we also live in a severely toxic world. Yes, we know. And our detoxification pathways are not what they need to be usually to live in the world.

world that we live in. We don't live in cavewoman times where the earth was pristine and we're chemical free. I mean, you walk outside, well, you walk inside your house and it's like you're bombarded by thousands of chemicals in the air. Same when you walk outside, right? And so it's like every breath we take, we are taking in toxins. And so I do believe that there is a space for nutraceuticals and supplements and vitamins and herbs. The question is how do we how do we tailor that? How do we make it a really personalized experience so that you're taking maybe the top one or two or three? Or, you know, depending where you are at in life, I mean, if you're if you're pretty healthy, maybe it's only one or two or three. If you're going through a situation, there might be a

time period where we have you on more products to begin with. But the goal should be to get off of those products. Agreed. And use the lifestyle, right? Like getting, I mean, you know as well as anybody about proper food, right? Timing, quality, quantity, the awareness around it. And then you just kind of go through the sleeping, the moving, right? The photobiomodulation, right?

There's all these devices out there. Well, walk outside. There's this thing in the sky that glows. That is our photo biomodulation. device. Yes. Right? It even goes red. It even goes red in the morning and it goes red at night. Right when we need it, right? That's amazing. And then it's like EMF, we're bombarded by these EMF. We'll go outside, take your shoes off and ground, right? Electrical discharge within seconds, like immediately, right? Breathing the air right below our nose. It's free. And there's different

ways of breathing to affect different changes, whether you're going for more of a sympathetic, parasympathetic oxygen or CO2, right? That's a whole podcast in and of itself. And then you get into connection and community and spirituality and something grander and just awareness. Like having awareness, so few people have awareness. But it's like when you eat something, right, your state of awareness, your happiness levels. That's just as important as far as I can tell as what you're eating. And so there's so much there. Yeah, I'm so happy you said that because that is one thing that I've been, is sort of, I call it an elevation of the conversation I've been having with my following about food has been, we put so much effort into, am I eating the right food? Did I get the right

macro? You know, and it's like become diet, the diet culture is so rigid, but nobody ever says, like, who am I eating with? Am I sitting in a relaxed state and eating? Like, the environment matters as much as actual food. So I'm so happy you brought that up. And I also want to point out, I love that we're starting this discussion with some simple things you can do that, you know, when you look at supplements, I see people that are like not sleeping. They're not getting outside. They're not getting, they're not walking. They're not grounding. There's so many things they're not doing. and they're spending thousands of dollars on supplements, hoping that supplement is going to bring them back into balance.

So I love what you just ran through because that was a beautiful explanation of, are you doing those things first? And then now the supplement may have a chance of actually helping heal you. Yeah. So true. So, okay. So if you are already got your lifestyle dialed in, like where do you go from there? Like, are there certain supplements that you're like, hey, these are musts for everybody?

You know, I'm going to diverge a little bit from what most of my colleagues might say. Like, most are going to say your omega's, your vitamin D. I think you ought to test those levels first. Ooh, okay. I really do. Like, objective data speaks volumes. Otherwise, it's just a blanket statement. And so there's all these, you go on YouTube and Instagram, and there's these like, here I'm a famous person with my top list of supplements.

And it's like those are really good as a general advice, right? But again, how do we tailor? How do we personalize? And that's where objective data beats wins every time. Because I'll tell you, when I was swimming outside three days a week for like a few years, my vitamin D without supplementation got up to 98. Oh, wow. Now that is, I mean, like, holy cow.

I don't even like when people supplement with vitamin D for it to be up at 98. What's the upper end that you'd want to see? Yeah, for me, I like vitamin D levels if someone's supplementing to be like 40 to 60. Unless we're in a cancer situation or a really severe autoimmune situation, should I have been taking vitamin D at the time? Absolutely not. Right? There's too much of anything is toxic. Yes.

That goes for oxygen. It goes for water. I mean, you drink 10 gallons of water right now or even just a gallon like that. And you're going to get some real imbalances. And so everything is a poison or a medicine. And it all depends on dosing. And same with omega's. I do see some people who actually just through diet have beautiful omega levels. So why are you going to go out and take a supplement, spend that money, swallow the big horse pill, right? So I really, it's, for me, it's objective data. So the omega thing is really interesting, and you and I haven't discussed this, but it's a good discussion to have. Yeah. I, there's a balance. There's omega-3, six, and nine balance that needs to happen. And one of the things I've heard some omega fatty acid experts say is that if you are eating a diet that has brought the harmful omega six down.

So this is like your standard Western American diet. If you're not eating those harmful oils where your omega six is really, really high, then supplementing with an omega-3, if you have a clean diet by itself, yeah, exactly tips the 369 scale. So all the studies ever done on omega-3 fatty acids, how important they are,

are only really that beneficial if you're eating a toxic diet. But once you clean that up, you need a supplement that's omega-3-6-9 balance, not omega-3 by itself. Yeah, exactly. I mean, we can look at these levels in isolation and say, okay, here's a reference range. Oh, here's the functional medicine reference range. But it's also about ratios, as you just stated. So completely agree.

I used to, in my. clinic, the first thing I did is take everybody off their omega-3s because I was like, we're going to change your diet, we're going to work on getting that down naturally. And now if you're megadosing omega-3s, we've thrown the whole system off. That was like literally the first thing I took away. So, yeah. I love it. That's how I think. Like, I want to establish a baseline, an objective baseline of where someone's really at, and then go through the lifestyle modifications and then kind of get a new baseline. Right. And it's not about making everything perfect. Like, we live busy, hectic, chaotic lives. I mean, you can't get an A plus in every lifestyle category, right? Or very few people

can. It's not realistic to expect that. But it's like, okay, what are the levers that can make the most difference? And let's try to get Bs, B pluses in all categories. And then a few A's and maybe even an A plus or two in a couple of categories. And then get the new baseline, and then you can supplement. Right. Is there a test you like that is an accurate test? Because I've had a lot of people say, well, the tests are not accurate. So I used metabolomics for a while. So I don't know if there's a test that you like that will give you a good reading. So interesting, like the Daneden pace of aging, that's an interesting test out there as like a one marker. Where are you? How fast are you aging? At what rate are you aging at 10 months for every calendar year? Are you aging at 14 months for every calendar year?

But that doesn't give you like, oh, you're low on this or high on this or toxic on that, right? And so that's where there are a lot of tests coming out. IOLO, like they test hundreds of these biomarkers. and the metabolomics, like, I like that test. I think there's, you know, hormone testing, right? It's like there's different labs have different capabilities. And when one lab starts testing everything, their accuracy might not be totally true. Right? That is a really interesting way to look at it.

Are you going to test urine? Are you going to test blood? Are you going to test saliva? How accurate are all of these things? And this is, like, I don't know is the answer because I'm like literally learning that every week. I learn something else, right, about how to test better. And so I think it's just do the best we know how right now, knowing that something better is going to come along. And I try to stay abreast of what's better.

Yeah. I love that. And that gives you some wiggle room because I used to always say like I'd get so excited about one functional test and then I'd roll it out to my patients and then something else would come around and I'd be like, oh no, this is better. And you start to like look like you're contradicting yourself. But like you said, something new is coming out all the time. So what's the difference? So I get my lifestyle based down. I'm testing so that I know what supplements I might need off my current situation. What do we know is the difference between like a capsule, a supposit. A supposit.

a spray, up your nose, in your eye, like our friend John Laurent's likes to do. Like he'll go for every orifice. Yes. Like, you know, is, and then there's IV, is there a difference in all of those ways of getting these nutrients into you? Yeah. Boy, those are rabbit holes, a rabbit hole down each orifice. Orifice holes.

So supplements, when you take something orally, it's, the question is you might be putting the right thing in your mouth, the question is, how are you absorbing it? How well are you absorbing it? Right. And so that goes for food, too. You might be eating the most pristine food, but how much of it are you absorbing is the question. How's your stomach acid? How's your gut microbiome? Right? And so, in someone who is, like, I'll kind of just segue real quickly into the IVs, because in someone who their gut is not optimized yet, like there's a huge kind of hole that could be at least temporarily filled with doing IVs, right? Because when you put something in an IV, it's straight into the blood.

And it's like 100% or nearly 100% bioavailable right away. Versus when you put something, a capsule or a tablet in your mouth, you just don't know how much of that is being absorbed. I mean, there's some crummy, crappy quality pills that, like, actually come out in some people's stool, right? And that says a lot about the lack of good digestion, maybe also a little about the quality of the tablet as well. But those are, or what I was going to say, also when somebody's detoxification pathways need to be amped up, that's another great space for the IVs I find. or just in general when somebody's kind of going through an acute issue or a more severe chronic issue. Would you say then if you're like the average, you know, you're listening to this podcast and you're really trying to make smart supplement decisions that it may be as simple and I know there's a lot.

I want to simplify the healing process and I know that's a very difficult thing to do. But if I know I've been on rounds of antibiotics, if I know I've been on birth control for, decades, if I bloat every time I eat vegetables and I don't have a bowel moving every day, I have like some real clear signs that my digestion is off. Then maybe the door in, no pun intended, for me with supplements would be a suppository or maybe it would be an IV. Like, can people make an educated decision just by looking at their history of what might have happened in their microbiome to decide that? Yeah, absolutely. And also part of that is it's like this vicious cycle. And so if you can get a really quality nutrients into your system easily,

then it can kind of help cut that cycle. And then it makes healing even easier to all of those symptoms that you just described. And when you do a suppository rectly or vaginally, like that mucosa, that skin, it's skin on the inside of our bodies, that mucosa absorbs nutrients exquisitely. Yes. And so, and that's really the truth. of any orifice. It just tends to absorb. It's like a transdermal absorption, and it absorbs very well. And almost always, if it's something that will dissolve, it's actually better absorbed than

something taken orally. Right now something's... Right. So oral would be your last choice. Yeah. Yeah. Me too. I mean, again, depending on the situation, I don't want to overgeneralize, but... I've really come to that conclusion, too. and I've been taking supplements since I was a kid in my house growing up, so we had electricity. I love that you didn't have electricity. But I was also raised by a health freak and who didn't bring any sugar into the house. We didn't have any plastics. Like there was, my mom was like a warrior there.

And every morning we would get to the breakfast table. And there was a customized pack of supplements at each one of our spot. at the table. And so I was just part of supplements for just what I took my whole life. And I've come to a place now where I am, and I'm like, I prefer a suppository, I prefer a spray, or I prefer an IV. I still take the other supplements, but I feel the most immediate difference with those things, and they're easier to do than to remember to keep taking supplements all day. Yeah, I agreed. And you know, there is some patient education. Some people don't want to do it those ways, right? And so there's like,

okay, there is some education that needs to be had around that. But I think it's a huge opportunity for people to really get that, get what they need to the source, the source to where they need it. Yeah. With IVs, you know, we see this huge IV culture. Like, I feel like we've gone from really resisting IVs or you only could get an IV if you went to a doctor like you, and now we have franchises, you know, all over the country here in America. We have a worldwide audience. And, I mean, even in Europe, it's easy to get IVs. Like, it is so easy to get an IV. So one of my questions is, is what do we need to know about IVs? You know, I have, when I look at an IV, I see a plastic bag, and I wonder, is there plastic in that? I also wonder when you're forcing that many nutrients into your body that quickly,

can your body absorb it? Like literally when I go and get an IV outside of your guy's place, if I go get a mother where other places, I'm like, give me the kitchen sink, like put everything in it. And then there's this little voice in the back of my head that's like, but wait, can your body, can the innate intelligence of the body handle all this that you're shoving in? So what are some things we need to know about IVs so we can make smart choices? Yeah, I think it's a, you know, for a while, like, we don't, do a lot of cool different sort of IVs in our office. So I would not shut down our IVs, but our IV room. But for a while, I kind of considered, like, am I, am I doing people's

service? Am I giving them expensive urine? Yes. Right. Like, that's, that was a huge question of mine. And yet when it, so first of all, a lot of places do offer just water down IVs. Like, it's mostly just water with like a little bit of this and a little bit of that, because ingredients cost a lot. And so most franchise IV places really are just watered down. Now, there's still maybe, I'm not like badmouthing. There's still a place for that. But you do want to go somewhere where they like are going to put enough in because when somebody is sick, acutely sick, like getting large doses turns people around. I mean, you have somebody, you know, who has, is going through something that, like,

looks like the flu or COVID or whatever kind of infectious disease you want to call it, you can come in, get an IV, and they walk out feeling so much better. Well, that says something. And I mean, this is not like a placebo effect. You can sometimes it's a placebo effect, but you can tell, like, people are coming in like that and they walk out feeling better. Or we'll have people go through like a series of ozone who are just having these chronic autoimmune flare-ups. And it's like they walk out and they do better. Their objective,

their biomarkers, their blood tests are better. And so it's like we know, we know for a fact that these IVs are doing something and that there is a place. One thing I wish we did, I wish people knew more about doing IVs like pre-surgery and post-surgery. Like that's a huge, that's another, that's one of those areas where I wish all surgery centers would just give patients like IVs afterwards. So all of our patients at Oasis family medicine, like I'm encouraging them to do one or two before surgery just to like plump themselves up. Even if they're peeing out the excess, it's like at least fill up those those holes, those deficiencies. So smart. Because it's going to make that surgery, which is a trauma, a physical trauma, even though it's maybe necessary at times.

It's still a physical trauma. And so if we can get that body ready to able to better handle that trauma, great. And then after they've had the trauma, like when our bodies are under stress, we use up nutrients a lot quicker. We use up our magnesium quicker. We use up our B vitamins quicker. And so it's after this surgery where people really do so, they heal so much better if they do, maybe say, three IVs. I mean, it could be more, maybe it's less, depending on the severity of the surgery. But people who do IVs, who have come into our office and do a series of IVs after a surgery,

they come back and their surgeons always say, oh, wow, you're healing really quickly. Again, that tells you something. Like, it's not just expensive urine. Right. Is there just a general for post-surgery and pre-surgery? You just, like, get everything, all the minerals, all the vitamins. It's kind of the kitchen sink. I mean, the minerals and the vitamins, right?

Yeah, kitchen sink. Yeah. Because I'm not, there's not time to like test, get the objective data, right? And just put in the ones that are needed, right? We want to throw the, that's a time to throw the kitchen sink at someone. Yeah. There was something you said that made me, I think this is a really interesting point. When we take a, whether it's a capsule, a suppository, an IV, I always tell people,

you should notice a difference when you take a supplement. If you don't notice a difference, like more energy, you know, even. if it's a negative thing, you should notice something that indicates to you you just took that supplement. And if you don't, there's a large chance that you might not need that supplement, whether it's an IV or a capsule. So would you agree with that? Almost always, like as a categorical statement, I would absolutely agree with that because in so many patients, they want a protocol, right? Tell me the protocol. Just tell me the protocol. And I'm like, try this and see.

And take note. Become aware. Yes. Like your body will tell. Yeah. Like check it. Like, okay, you bring up a really good point. Like, I think that's left over from the medication world, you know?

Think about what happens when you walk into a doctor's office and they say, you have X, Y, and Z. And you go, great, you know what I have? What should I do? And they say, here's the medication you should take. And so we just take the prescription, we go, we take the medication, but we've outsourced the healing process to the doctor into the medication. So we have no internal guidance to tell us, you know, if that was the right thing for us, we just cross our fingers that our symptoms go away. But what you're saying is take it and then check in.

Yeah, and you touch on a huge thing there that you just mentioned. It's like, do what the doctor says the doctor is God type of mentality. And, you know, I'm a doctor. I've went through a lot of schooling. I've done a lot of conferences, paid a lot of money to go to these conferences and to learn. And I know a lot. But my job is to be a teacher and to help someone weigh the pros and the cons. And honestly, like, I feel like I think of myself more as a healer. And with that, I think comes with hopefully teaching the person to become their own healer. Yeah. And that awareness is everything.

The more we can get people to become aware of that supplement or aware before they take a bite of food or aware before they go to sleep or that first thought when they wake up is actual awareness. I mean, our healing potential is exquisite. it. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. And so to take away some of that, like, I mean, all the doctors I know have gone into it for the right reason. Yes, right. But we're taught that we know best, write that 30-day prescription with 11 refills, come see me in a year, and then I'm going to write it again plus 11 refills, right? And that's not the way to heal. I had a mentor once to tell me that your goal is to educate the patient so much that they no longer need you.

And I always kept that in my mind. I still in everything I do, even in my online world, is how do you keep empowering people and empowering people to heal themselves so they don't need you? I think that is a complete flip on the system that is like, you need me because I have the best education. I have a tool that only certain people can prescribe for you.

like it's a it's a it's a total flip on that you know and there's a lot of information coming at us these days like information there's no shortage of information right and so I think where I'll just speak for myself where I'm able to help my patients is like I've listened to so much information I've learned so much information and so I can help I'm I am best equipped to help that person kind of distill what is good for them but again ultimately it's like how do we teach them to become aware so they can become exactly what you just said. They're own healers. And I think that's the kind of conversation people can go into when they're looking

for doctors like you who have clinics. I think it's a good thing that like, is this person teaching me or is this person just handing me supplements, even in the natural world, like, heading me supplements or handing me medications. So let's, I want to move to because I want to leave plenty of time for my new favorite one, which is I want to go through Eboo and I want to go through. Methylene Blue and then a little bit into ozone. And just a little backstory so that people understand why I'm so excited about Eboo is that for years I did supplements that helped detox.

I mean, my clinic, like half of the clinic, what we were doing is detox. And detox is not pretty always, but the end results is pretty phenomenal. And we did specifically heavy metal detoxing. So one of the ways that I found Dr. Yoshi was I, I, was blessed to work with Leanne Rimes, and she's come on my podcast twice now and explained the most recent talked about Eboo. And we put her through all the supplements. I put her through all the heavy metal supplements. And it was oak, it worked, but it was rough. And that was hard for somebody who's touring to the degree she's touring. She also had her Epstein-Barr virus had just kicked in and fatigue was huge. So I told her.

told her, hey, how about we try this thing called Eboo? And it has been a game changer. Like, that and Methylene Blue, just total game changer for her health. So with that mind, help us understand. And I know every time I come into your office, I'm like, tell me again what this is doing, because everybody I send to you all, even the most difficult cases start to improve. And it's phenomenal. So what is Eboo? All right. So, So first of all, the people you are sending to us are doing so much first. That's right. And so I don't want to put out to people, oh, if you're not doing the things or at least

working on the things, don't come just do Ibu for the heck of it. That's right. If you're a biohacker, if you're, like, healthy and just want kind of the anti-aging effects, like, yeah, you come do it. but if you're going through a health situation, make sure you're doing the things, make sure you're working with someone, whether it's us or you or some other health kind of provider, just to make sure you're doing those things. And then Ibu can come into the discussion. So that's why it's been so effective for the people you've sent to us. And I think before I get to Ibu, I'll kind of

touch on ozone. Yeah, for sure. of this stepwise fashion. Ozone is a lot of people know the ozone layer. Ozone to measure smog. That's kind of like saying a fireman is bad because they're always at the fire. Ozone is there to actually mop up the smog. And ozone, let me make clear, we do not have a deficiency of ozone in our body. So this is something that we can add and use as a therapeutic modality when the time is right.

Now, always with everything, it's like, what are the potential pros? What are the potential cons? And with ozone, when done well, like, there's very little potential cons. It's all potential pros. And that's why such this exquisite therapy that's been around for half a century, but kind of more in Europe and hasn't really made its way over into the U.S. until maybe the last 10, 20 years, much more so. And you can go. all the way from things that are very mildly ozone therapy, kind of like ozoneated olive oil, right, topically for something. You can do some limb bagging with ozone for ulcers that are not healing or infections of the skin that are not healing. You can do ozone in the ears, which is great for ear infections. I mean, it takes away great for sinus issues. You can do rectal ozone or vaginal

ozone. And then it's kind of stepwise up the ladder. You can do IV ozone. like MAH major auto-hemotherapy, where you take out a little bit of blood, put it in a bag, squirt a little ozone in that bag, mix it up, and it drips back into you. And that's a fantastic therapy. M-A-H is what that's called, for short. And then there's 10-pass ozone. And 10-pass is a little bit more intense, a great therapy. But then there's a step above that is, or I consider it a step above that, is Ibu,

which stands for extracorporeal, that means outside of the body, oxygenation and ozoneation. And I consider this, I call it the creme de la creme of ozone therapy, and it has this ability, well, before I talk about ozone, just kind of ozone in general. It does a lot of things in the body, but I like to think of it doing three things. One, it lowers unnecessary or undesirable inflammation. And then two, it modulates the immune system. So if someone's a little bit hyperimmune, autoimmune, it can kind of lower it. And if someone doesn't have enough immune system, it kind of bumps it up. And then number three, it creates energy, i.e. ATP in the mitochondria.

So it creates energy, literal energy in our body at the cellular level. And those are kind of the three pillars that I generally think of ozone doing in the body. And so the question becomes in the right situation, how can we get a really good dose in a really gentle way. And that's what Ibu does. And it's, we're taking blood through an IV out of one arm and back into another, and it goes through this filter so you can see your blood outside of the body. And, but then crossing that blood, while the blood goes up, the ozone comes in the opposite direction and through that filter. And there's like hundreds of these little straws in there with each of those straws, if you picture them being perforated. So each straw

has hundreds of little holes in it. And if you spread that all out on a flat surface, it would be like this blood kind of gently rushing over that surface while the ozone comes on the underside and comes in contact through all of those holes. And so you get this massive surface area of blood that's constantly just being gently ozonated. And so that's how we do it. That's kind of the process. And yeah, where to go from there? What do you want?

Yeah, no. That was interesting. No, you had to be, like I was, you were, it was like you're reading me a bedtime story. Love it. I was like, wow. Let's nerd out. This is what happens when you're like a lover of the human body. So, just so everybody knows, you literally have two IVs,

one on one arm, one on the other, blood is being pulled out, and then it's being recycled and put back in. Where I got excited about it, and I know this is a question everybody wants to know, which is when it's going through this filter, what toxins are being pulled out? Because where, you know, after doing heavy metal detox and mold detoxes and gut detoxes for so long, I was pretty excited when people were saying, you know, a couple sessions of this. And so, and mold detoxes, of this and you are really getting rid of a huge toxic load. Now, I also know you and I have talked, you know, quite a bit about this that, you know, we can't make claims that it does heavy metals. We are strongly convinced that it pulls out pathogens. So you know the science

better than me, but do we have any idea what it's pulling out? So in the beginning, what Ibu came on the scene in the U.S. like four-ish years ago. We had, have done, by the way, we've done, I feel like we're coming up probably on 2,000 of them. So probably done more than anywhere else in the country, I believe I could be wrong. Totally fine if I'm wrong on that. But we've done a lot. And in the beginning, it was kind of like, oh, there's tons of toxins coming out of the body. Because when that blood, so what you're talking about is there's this like container

and you end and end up with fluid and foam at the end. And it's like, that's toxins right there. And in the beginning, that was the belief. And then I started to kind of question that because I didn't want to overstate what we were doing. Like, I want to be fully transparent. And so for a long time, I was like, I'm not so sure about that. I think so, but I'm not sure. We don't have the testing.

However, over the last year, I would say, and especially more recently, there have been doctors who have cut those filters open and looked at it under the microscope. and found parasites, bacteria. So we know that there's, it's like the filter is like a Velcro attracting those. And there's more evidence that it is definitely pulling out heavy metals and I'll just say other toxins. So it is pulling those things out. My question is, and I just, I don't know and I'll probably know more at some point in time, I hope, how much is it pulling out? Yeah.

And how significant is that? Because we're just, like this, during an ebu session, it's like we're only covering what's in the blood. We're not covering, it's not like it's going to suck out everything in the tissues, which is where most of our toxins actually are. They're stuck in the tissues. Our body is smart enough to kind of tuck it away so that it's not in our blood because it's trying to protect our brain, right?

We want as few toxins in there as possible. And so that's part of my question. Now, ozone also like speeds up phase one and phase two of liver detoxification process. So just the ozone itself is actually detoxing aside from whatever's being pulled out. Yeah. And then we also do, like we do, we give people a little bit of hydrogen beforehand via those tablets. we're giving humic acids and folvic acids before them as well. Those are great at binding toxins.

And so if the ozone is speeding up phase one, phase two of the liver detoxification process, and then we're giving humic acids, folvic acids, to help bind those, it's going to draw out toxins, right, without the side effects, without the unwanted side effects. And then if we're pulling some out in it, you know, it's pulling some out, right? And if you're doing a series of ebos, it's going to be pulling more out. Right. So, yeah, there's a lot to unpack there.

Yeah, like, what if you put a methylator in the, like, if you're trying to get to the stuck toxins and tissues, could you, like, do a couple of days of a good methylator beforehand to just kind of push it all out? Yeah, I would think so. So we do a pre-nutrient IV as well. It has the methylated B-12 in there. But I love that. Having people take some like TMG or B-Tane,

Colleen, like all those methylators would probably be a very good idea. I have recommended that to some people, but it's not like our standard protocol, but I love the way you're thinking because it makes sense. Yeah, just to get it out. Now, I will tell you in the people that I've sent you, there's been a couple patterns that I've seen. Anything to do with mold seems to work incredibly well.

Like people who are in a bad mold situation, that is like a game changer. You know, Epstein-Barr virus definitely seemed to do something there. And the most recent, which we can talk about a little more afterwards, but she's been also very public about the work that we're doing together as Lisa Billu. And I think the last time we did Eboo, she had a rough go, but we hit a parasite. and it came out in her stools. And this was as of information I just learned two days ago. And she described to me what was in her stools.

And I'm like, oh my God, we hit a parasite. The Eboo is mobilizing parasites. And she has some serious digestive issues. So I do think that there is, like, I look at our toxic bucket. I really like that analogy that you start to get, you've got mold and candida and line. and parasites and heavy metals and plastics and like all these things and people's buckets

are so high. And when you go to Ibu, my feeling, and this is the way I explain it, is we start to lower the toxic load. We just don't know how much we're lowering it, but there becomes a point when you lowered enough that the body can take over and it can heal itself. And I think that's why you can get away with like three Ibu sessions and then you start to see all the other things work so much more efficiently. Is that what you guys are noticing as well? Or am I the, is it just in the patients I've sent you? Yeah. No, that's totally true. I mean, we've had people come from all over the U.S. for the, especially for the mold and lime for sure. So that that totally fits. Yeah. Your experience fits. Yeah. Yeah. So talk about methylene blue because when I get ebu,

just so I get methylene blue with it. I know you don't do that with everybody. But what is, it's, Methylene Blue by itself is quite a popular IV that everybody's getting. So talk about that. Yeah, where to go with that one. That's, that's a whole podcast. Right. Well, I just so, just so, you know, I did do a whole podcast with John on Methylene Blue, like about a year ago. So if people go back and listen to Dr. John Lawrence about Methylene Blue, because he's, he's brilliant when it comes to Methylene Blue. So do go back and listen to that. Maybe put a link in We will. That's a great idea. We'll put a link in the notes. Yeah. Because Methylene Blue is, just as a little backstory, first drug on patent in the U.S. in like the late 1880s.

And so again, kind of like ozone, this is not something our body is deficient in. We're not deficient in Methylene Blue. However, just like ozone, what are the potential pros versus what are the potential cons? And the more I use methylene blue, the more I just like fall in love with it as a something that we can exogenous that we can take to help uplevel our health. There is almost like, again, everything in proper dosing. If you're using proper dosing, there's almost no ill side effect from methylene blue. So even though our body's not deficient in it, it is, it's this exquisite. it medication. And I think of it as a medication. It's over the counter. It can be done orally, liquid, suppositories, IV, right? And methylene blue, it does a lot of things in the body.

However, probably one of the kind of what it does, or what it's most well known for is it helps the mitochondria. And the mitochondria, I'm sure you've talked a lot about the mitochondria. But the mitochondria being the energy producers, the ATP producers in each cell. And that's really our energy, energetic currency of the body. And so anything we can do to help improve the health of the mitochondria is a good thing. And methylene blue, there's like, there's what's called the electron transport chain in the mitochondria. And the electron transport chain, there's actually multiple areas that can get poisoned or poisoned by too much toxins. And so nobody really has like the perfect mitochondria nowadays because we live in the world we live in, the toxic world that we

live in. And so I read in one pub med study, there's like 11 areas in the electron transport chain that can become leaky or produce the reactive oxygen species, which is, Too much is bad, basically creates damage at the cellular level. And the methylene blue can kind of go in and insert itself in a number of different areas of the electron transport chain and make energy production more efficient. Wow. It actually creates, it allows for the body to use oxygen more efficiently. And then it's actually activated by light, that free photobiomodulation device in the sky,

it actually activates the methane blue. And together they actually increase energy, ATP, and the body. And that's like hands down one of the best things that it does. It does other things too. And so again, it's like, why would we do it IV to get it fully absorbed? Quickly. Now, we have, both Leanne and I have mentioned a brain, like, and I've had other people, say this too, there's sort of a brain brightness that happens when you're, and now our brain,

probably if I come to think of it, has a significant amount of mitochondria. So it could just be that you're getting more ATP in the brain. But there is a, you know, I call it, I think I told you this last time I was in there, like I call it ebu drunk. When I leave and I get my methylene blue with my I feel like I'm drunk in all the right ways. Like just happy, energized, focused. Like, there is just like somebody did something to my body. And what I love about it is it's like it just enhanced what was already there. So do we have anything on methylene blue that we would know around like serotonin or dopamine?

Like does it change any neurotransmitters? Yeah, it does. It, that's one of the like if you go, if someone goes in Google's like side effects of methylene blue, you might read about serotonin syndrome because it does upregulate serotonin, which is why you feel better. However, what you'll read is like, oh, methylene blue and too high of doses can be dangerous. Well, the doses that become too dangerous are crazy high. So just to give an idea, it's like over a thousand milligrams in a day, right, consistently, and probably more like 4,000 milligrams.

Now, different people will recommend different doses, and I recommend all the way from like one milligram for some people, maybe upwards of 100 milligrams for some people in different scenarios. So we're talking levels that are way, way, way below that. And you'll read, I've searched myself out of curiosity, and you'll read about, oh, if you're on an antidepressant medication, beware. Totally not true. You know, partially I think because so much of it. of why people are on antidepressants is because of a lack of cellular energy.

If our brains are not, if our brains don't have enough ATP, like, I'm going to be foggy. I'm going to be easier depressed. I'm going to, like, our brains. So if you can literally light up the brain with enough energy, oh, I'm going to see things brighter, like metaphorically speaking. So I am not worried. again, I'll go back to the very beginning of the methylene blue discussion and the potential downsides outside of doing just crazy, crazy high doses are just so minimal. Yeah. Yeah, we've come to,

you know, I've come down to like really simple supplements because of doing IgB regularly, methylene blue regularly, the NAD suppositories. Like, it's pretty, you know, we've dialed in some of these mitochondrial nutrients or, or fuel. sources that really clean up that system. So yeah, I would I would agree with everything you just said. And I had like I think methylene blue like some methylene blue tablets or suppositories ought to be in everybody's emergency kits. I mean, because if you have a heart attack, stroke, if you have an infection, like all of those things. Like it helps. I actually had COVID like symptoms pretty recently. and I just started pounding methylene blue, and that was orally because it wasn't near the office

and I didn't feel well enough to go into the office, frankly, for an IV. And I turned that thing around, like, had 12 hours of fever, and then I was, like, I was good after. Yeah. Almost immediately. And, like, I know my body and I don't get sick too often, but that was, like, the beginning. typically, historically speaking, that was the beginning of a three to five days where I'm just like down for the count. Right. And yet 12 hours after I started feeling bad, and that just hit me like a semi-truck, 12 hours later, I kind of was shocked. I'm like, am I really feeling this good?

Yeah, I am. And it's because I was pounding the muffling blue. You know, I gave my literary agent had COVID, and I said, here you got to order. these methylene blue trokeys. And she did. And two days later, she's like, I don't know what those magic blue things are that you just gave me, but like it's completely gone. So I really agree with that. Have we seen with long haulers, have we seen Eboo at all really help with people who have had long haul COVID symptoms? Yeah, just like you were saying, like how it kind of lights you up, which is what it does for me as well. I find after one of those I can go on a run. And it's just like I'm flying basically. It's like little wings are helping me along. And so yeah, long haul,

long, long, long haul COVID. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And I and I think because that that's like I don't know, are you getting more long haul COVID patients. It seems like a lot of people are talking about it. Still. Still. Still. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it it, it, it, it, it, it, that whole process definitely does a number on many people's physiology. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. And it takes a little bit of, it takes a lot of extra special care to, to bring people back up to where they ought to be. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I love this discussion. And I, I always make sure I make my ebu appointments when I know you're there so you and I can geek out on this stuff. I love that. I just, I'm like, always when you're around, I'm like, there's something in the brain there for me to learn. What can I ask him?

What can I ask him? And vice versa. Thank you. Well, and I love when I go in there, I get red. light on my head and you guys have like heating packs. I mean, you're just, the whole experience is so great. We just today added grounding in. So we have a little grounding record. So yeah, there's maybe another thing coming to that too. Oh, I love that. Just always looking at how to like up level it a little bit. It's so fun. I feel like you could turn me into a superhuman. It's, it's amazing. So where do

people find you? Before I ask you the last question, I just want people to know about you, know about your clinic and yeah like brag away like let us know how we can we can get people to you thank you so probably go to dr yoshi dot com that's d r yoshae dot com and there there's a link to oasis family medicine where you can get ibu if that's of interest and appropriate and then there's a little link to the the live method which stands for longevity and basically vitality and it's a little six-month program where we go through everything we just talked about. Amazing. Amazing. Okay, well, this is going to be a fun question for you. And one that I probably would have just asked you, like in the office, because it's more complicated than it appears.

What does health mean to you? If somebody was to say, are you healthy, what is your measurement of health and how would you describe health? Yeah, I love that. So I would, I will take that health and actually ramp it up to vitality or vibrancy. Because I think when we talk about health and wellness, it's definitely better than disease or dis-eased. And hopefully a little bit better than okay. But then the question is like, how do we take that and like really up-level somewhere? Right, right. Right.

And so I know if I think of myself, how am I vibrant? And that's when I'm all those things that we talked about at the beginning, right? The sleeping well, moving well, eating right, eating well, hydrating well, which that's, each of these are its own separate podcast. Yeah. Again, the photobiomodulation, the sun, the earth, the air, the awareness, the connection. The, for me, it's spirituality. just like the belief of something greater, whether that's the force or God or magic, or whatever that is for someone.

But all of those things, when I'm doing and focusing and being those things, it's like, then I can feel vibrant. And how do I know that I'm on track? If I roll out of bed and I can move freely, feeling good and feeling vibrant, and I have the body energy. Like, hmm, okay, I'm feeling good. Like, ready to tackle the day with some passion and vibrant in my mind. Happy, aware, grounded. That's how I know that I'm on track. Yeah. And then the extra little piece is get the objective data, right? Because I don't want something to sneak up on me where I think I'm like rosy colored glasses, but something sneaks up and

pulls the rug out from under me. So that's where the objective data can just like take everything I just said and up level it. That was incredible. Well, thank you, Dr. Yoshi. I, again, I adore you. I love what you're up to. I love picking your brain. Ibu has just been one of those things that it just all the heavy metal detoxing I have done with people. This has been a game changer. So so thank you for being such a master of it. Just keep up the great work. And I, I look forward to years of collaboration with you because what you're doing and your heart and your vision is just spectacular. So I got you. So thank you.

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